The idea of a spin-off for Star Trek: Picard began before the series wrapped up in the spring of 2023. Cast members and fans rallied around the Star Trek: Legacy concept envisioned by showrunner Terry Matalas, which would carry on the adventures of the USS Enterprise-G under the command of Captain Seven, played by Jeri Ryan, continuing the role she originated in Star Trek: Voyager. Despite the buzz around Legacy, no development work was ever done for the proposed show in earnest, so it should come as a surprise that there was a different Star Trek series pitched to Jeri Ryan after her celebrated run on Picard.
The other Captain Seven pitch
Jeri Ryan made the revelation at Spacecon in San Antonio, TX, held in the last weekend of October. The event reunited many of the cast members of Star Trek: Voyager and Star Trek: Picard, and Ryan was a headline guest, participating in several panels. At a Voyager panel, she along with Garrett Wang and Robert Duncan McNeill fielded pre-screened questions, and unsurprisingly, Ryan received many inquiries regarding the future of Seven of Nine. One question was: “Has there ever been any talk of a Captain Seven show?” and Ryan told the audience:
“There has been talk. And there was an idea that was actually pitched to me after Picard ended, which was not the Legacy show that I know the fans are asking for, that I want to do. But it just wasn’t me… It didn’t feel like the right kind of thing… But there has been talk. And if there is one thing I have learned with this franchise it is: never say never. You never know.”
Jeri Ryan with Robert Duncan McNeill and Garett Wang at Spacecon 2024 (Photo: Tex-Trek Podcast)
Ryan didn’t offer any more specifics during the weekend about the Captain Seven show that was pitched to her. Like other members of the Picard cast, Ryan has been vocal in her support of the Star Trek: Legacy concept, which could carry pick up the story from the series finale that showed her in command of the USS Enterprise-G with Commander Raffi Musiker (Michelle Hurd), Ensign Jack Crusher (Ed Speleers), and Lt. Sidney La Forge (Ashley Sharpe Chestnut) returning on her crew. Jonathan Frakes’ William T. Riker would recur with other legacy Star Trek stars expected to pop in and out.
In a recent TrekMovie All Access Star Trek podcast interview, Picard (and TNG) actor Jonathan Del Arco (Hugh) described a Borg-focused show concept that would have included Jeri Ryan. That concept, spearheaded by executive producer James Duff, eventually morphed into Star Trek: Picard when Patrick Stewart was brought into the project, and Duff exited the franchise. That was quite a few years ago, so this more recent pitch described by Ryan appears to be something different. It also likely doesn’t involve Terry Matalas, who had already mapped out some plans and even some dialogue for his Legacy concept. After the success of Picard season 3, Matalas moved on from Paramount to work on several other projects, notably as showrunner for the upcoming Disney+ MCU series Vision.
As for Paramount+, the streaming service has stuck with their original plan (set in motion ahead of Picard season 3) to make Star Trek: Starfleet Academy their next new franchise series, and that show has already been picked up for two seasons while the first season is currently in production. With all the belt tightening at Paramount, it has appeared there isn’t room for any more Trek series, especially with Strange New Worlds also already set for two additional seasons. It’s unclear if this other pitch Ryan referenced had an implicit greenlight. Earlier this year, the executive producer in charge of Star Trek for Paramount said he would be happy to give Legacy the greenlight, but it was out of his hands.
Michelle Hurd as Raffi Musiker, Ashlei Sharpe Chestnut as Ensign Sidney La Forge, Mica Burton as Alandra La Forge, and Jeri Ryan as Seven of Nine in “The Last Generation,” series finale of Picard (Paramount+)
Other Picard actors ready for Legacy
As Ryan said, “You never know” when it comes to the future of Star Trek. Based on the volume of questions raised at various Spacecon panels, it’s clear many fans continue to wish for a Star Trek show with Captain Seven of Nine. Picard’s Michelle Hurd also fielded quite a few questions about the possibility at Spacecon, and she told a fan:
“Girl, I’ve got every single part of my body crossed that this day happens. Jeri and I both want Legacy so badly, and I gotta say thank you to you, and thank you to all of our communities that are trying to get that forward and signing petitions and kicking it out there. That’s the way that things happen, is you guys, your voice actually does impact the studios.”
Michelle Hurd’s optimism is rooted in Star Trek’s long history of responding to fan feedback. Creating Strange New Worlds as a vehicle for fan favorite Anson Mount as Captain Pike is just one example, and with the way the audience has embraced the idea of Seven of Nine commanding the Enterprise-G, history could repeat itself.
Michelle Hurd and Todd Stashwick show their love of their Star Trek fans at Spacecon 2024 [Photo: TrekMovie]
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Interesting. She was offered a show, but it wasn’t Legacy. I wonder if it was a Fenris Ranger focused show?
That’s what I was thinking, too. If so, it makes sense that she turned it down, since that would be a step backwards for the character’s development.
Not necessarily. Starfleet isn’t the be-all-end-all of all aspirations. Sometimes, it’s better to help outside the system.
Fenris Rangers aboard La Sirena is what I wanted out of a Picard spinoff, with Seven, Raffi, Elnor, Worf, and whatever Rios holos that want to show up. Worf could learn to overcome his prejudice against Romulans and Elnor could have multiple mentors.
Either that or Rios, Teresa, Ricardo, and Guinan in the present day fighting for medical equality.
I’d also be interested in seeing Jurati’s adventures over the four centuries between “Hide and Seek” and “Farewell.”
To each his own, but sounds really bad.
Seven and Worf, okay. But they haven’t been very good at creating good new characters.
Captain Shaw gasps in disgust.
I’d kill for a Fenris Rangers book series covering that time, but I’m glad to see that she’s holding out for Legacy. I know it has its detractors here, but the interest is palpable on every level of the machine the show would be baked on, so I can’t imagine some form, especially now that we have streaming film as an option alongside series (though I’m still hoping for a series).
Firewall is a great novel that deals with Seven’s time in the Rangers. The audiobook is amazing!
Yeah it was great, really enjoyed it. I might be one of the few but I prefer Seven post Voyager. She has a bit of fire in her belly now and much more humanity about her. Her character has really grown.
I’d think that if a Legacy spin-off were green-lit, we’d have plenty of backstory to explore regarding Seven’s time with the Rangers that could be seen in various storylines of a ST: Legacy series, which could also be in various references and flash-backs where appropriate within the storylines and the overall SAGA which Star Trek has become. Remember a favorite Vulcan once said, “There are always possibilities…….”
I often feel like I’m the only person who has absolutely no interest in Star Trek: Legacy. I like Seven, but Raffi is best in very small doses, LaForge’s daughters are boring non-entities and Jack Crusher-Picard is not a character I need to see again. I also do not rate Terry Matalas as a writer.
There’s a few on here that feel as you do. I”m not one of those, but to each their own, of course!
I agree with most of that. I thought Jack was great and would welcome his return, but Raffi’s such an awful character. And yeah, the LaForge girls didn’t really have much characterization. Still, that could be remedied with more screentime. The only definite for me: no more Raffi, please.
I completely agree, no more Raffi! Although I didn’t mind the main Laforge daughter, she was fine. Jack is fine too, not great.
This is exactly the right take
Jack was really awful stereotypical lets stick a Brit in a show with a Cockney accent like Jonny Depp in Sweeny Todd – his story went nowhere, really boring guy. I would take Wesley Crusher over him any day
I know. I didn’t relate to the character of Jack at all. At least Raffi’s dealing with drug addiction and family concerns because of it, was original for a TREK regular, and made for an interesting character. Nothing about Jack worked for me at all.
What I would like to point out is we get these people who complain about the wardrobe from the 1960s Star Trek TV show, yet basically Seven in Picard was just another “badass chick with a phaser rifle” yet same people stay quiet about that. So my question of the day would be if Seven was a bad ass chick with a phaser rifle in 1960s mini skirt and leather boots, is that a good thing for Trek girl power or not? So difficult to navigate this terrain. Seven of nine is just not that interesting a character IMO and unless they go down the what-does-it-mean-to-be-human character evolution ala Spock, Data, Odo to a lesser degree (which the writers of Nu-Trek could never do anyway, hence they gave her a girlfriend and a phaserrifle to let us know how much she had developed) she is just another generic Nu-Trek character. BORING I miss well written characters, intelligent stories and most importantly mini-skirts & knee high leather boots
I have no interest in Legacy. Picard Season 3 workef because the TNG cast pretty much brought their A game to the production. The story was terrible, and the supporting cast were all pretty one-dimensional. For a legacy series to work, you pretty much have to ignore that the card Season 3 ever occurred.
AGREED!!!!!!!!
Everyone always brings up Picard S3 as fan fiction, nostalgia etc. What is Lower Decks and Prodigy then. At least you can say the Picard is bringing back past characters, plotlines etc. Is every eposide of TNG fan fiction because it brings back characters from previous seasons. I didn’t watch Picard as a reboot show, I want to know what happened to previous characters and aliens. I don’t want a reboot, I hate reboots.
ALL these new shows are basically based around nostalgia and fan service. The only one that wasn’t was Discovery once it went to the 32nd century. But in second season the stuff fans were salivating over was having Pike and Spock back to the point they ended up giving them their own show.
I think Picard season 3 had the most for sure, but it was understandable since the entire point was to close out the story of those characters. So I had zero issues with it, especially since I mostly liked what they did with it.
And I don’t think we have to worry about them doing anymore reboots for a long long time (even though I’m fine with that too) since the Kelvin movies didn’t light the fire they were expecting. And they also know fans want a continuation of Trek in the prime universe.
Well put!
You are definitely not alone.
I never care much at all for the Titan/Enterprise-G, but I’d have preferred Legacy over Starfleet Academy. My interest in the 32nd Century is minimal, and the only thing I like about Academy is the casting.
Guardians of the Galaxy Acadamy. It is what they think Star Trek fans want. Let’s face it they look at the Star Trek action movies and they made more many than the OG and TNG movies so let’s face it Star Trek is losing it’s soul. How much comedy can we take, because it is hard to take shows like SNW seriously anymore.
You’re not alone. Raffi and Jack are grating and unwatchable. LaForge’s daughters, whose names I can’t even remember, made no impression. They need a better cast of characters before jumping into a brand new series.
AGREED!!!!!!!
Legacy would be just be more nostaglia fanwank and I absolutely don’t want it
I DO want more 25th Century Trek but just not Legacy
LOL fanwank LOL!!!!! If anyone wants me to masturbate over “NuTrek” they really need to up their game. just saying
You’re definitely not alone! I’d love to see a Captain Seven show, but I don’t want to see Jack Crusher ever again, and I want to care about new characters because they’re INTERESTING and NOT because they’re somebody’s son or daughter.
AGREED!!!!!! Why the hell are they calling it “legacy” if it is about the future exploits of the Enterprise G? And what happened to the Enterprise E & F anyway. Is Enterprise E still in existance I dont recall it being destroyed but I dont pay much attention to “Nu-Trek” not worth losing brain cells over by over thinking, the “writers” certainly dont over think anything, infact I dont think they think at all
Because Legacy has a much better ring to it then Star Trek: Cameo….
You’re definitely not the only one. I have little desire to see a Legacy show as a lot of people seem to envisage – or Seven and the Nepo Babies as I think of it. I remember when TNG started and a friend claimed it would be better if the captain was Kirk’s son, well I didn’t like that idea then and don’t like it any more now. It just feels cheap and lazy – why not throw in Alexander and Molly O’Brien for good measure?
Nope. Not for me. I didn’t like them rechristening the Titan (a ship that had just helped save the fleet, mind) the Ent-G – ignoring, pardon the pun, the Titan ‘legacy’. I’d prefer new and interesting characters (and I agree with not wanting to see Jack again). Characters with their own story and their own agency. I’d prefer not to see the TNG characters keep ducking in either. They’ve had so many send-offs they are starting to feel like the guest who doesn’t know the party is over.
And as far as PIC season 3 goes, it felt (to me at least) like fast food: it tasted good at the time, but left me empty and unsatisfied soon after, and feeling pangs of regret. It lacked substance and doesn’t hold together well. I wouldn’t want Matalas back as a show runner.
There are plenty here who hate the idea also. Personally I am fed up of Discovery spin offs and Discovery and it’s spin offs is Trek now. Also I think if Strange New Worlds is the high point of (live action) Trek right now we have some very low standards. Gimmick of the week or Spock sitcom, season 2 was dreadful. This is the first time in memory for me that I am not looking forward to a new season.
I have to agree about SNW. That season three clip they released a few months ago was shockingly awful. Made me realise how much I hate the MCU tone they’ve adopted and how reliant they are on silly gimmicks. I don’t even know if I’ll watch the next season. I’m content rewatching TOS to DS9 frankly; that’s peak Trek for me. 30 years was a great run!
I’m still looking forward to SNW but also admit it is feeling a little too gimmicky after season 2. I wish they would, you know, actually explore stuff instead of doing musicals and giving Spock more comic relief.
No. You’re not the only one. It’s a terrible idea and nothing more than fan service yet again, not to mention going backward and retreading past characters whose glory days are long since over. We got lucky with SNW, but making another attempt at it is rolling the dice way too often.
So all that BS from Kurtzman about them not being able to do Legacy because Starfleet Academy is in development etc, yet they pitch a brand new Star Trek show to Jeri Ryan with her as Captain? So in other words, they are looking to make other shows, just not Legacy!
And they have the gall to make Section 31 instead?
It’s not BS. It’s how Hollywood works. Legacy is not a show they were ever considering, but they were considering others.
I think they’re probably trying to figure out what’s next, and be prepared for the next green light if it comes. We also don’t know what she means by ‘when Picard ended’. If it was after filming, a lot changed between end of filming and when the season debuted. So it’s not that Kurtzman is lying.. things change fast sometimes. Wow. I can’t believe I’m defending that guy. Lol.
Dalek
There is nothing stated in this article that supports your claim. People pitch, it happens, and in fact in happens a lot. Pitching and development are not the same thing. The article states no development work ever started on Legacy. By all reports that is true.
Another person working with Trek said they would love to green light, but thats above them (ie meaning the actual studio, hardly surprising with Paramount ongoing financial and ownership issues over the last 2 years.
That doesn’t mean various people will still not pitch. If one idea has not got approval for development, various people will try other ideas and concepts. For example the half hour sitcom pitched, but it’s not in development )to date). And I can understand that because right of the bat that concept is cheaper. Perhaps a cheaper product might make into actual development. Or no pitches are going to be progress until ownership issue is fully resolved, and the studio is made aware of where is going to be directed, versus the limbo of today.
Without detail about this other pitch, it could have also been worked to try and keep a smaller budget, versus what Trek has managed for TV hour long currently. We don’t know.
Pitching doesn’t have real costs associated with it. Development on the other hand does have real costs associated with it. So it wouldn’t surprise me at all to find out that several pitches might have been made over the last two years. And to date nothing that we know of (key word know of) has been put into development (ir money spent on it).
Well, it’s slightly encouraging. Certainly paints the picture that Kurtzman has no desire to do that show. We’ll know more after Ellison gets things going after the deal closes. Everything not greenlit is on hold for now.
I would only want Seven to return with a new crew. Jack was more annoying than Wesley ever was. I don’t need to see more of him and would rather have Elnor back as a member of Seven’s crew.
I really liked the Elnor character.
Seconded. I thought the character had potential, they just literally had nothing for him to do after Nepenthe (and that includes the horrible second season, but that seemed to be the situation for most of the cast).
Picard Season 3 was good because it was well written. Unlike the previous 2 seasons.
It’s also why Lower Decks works.
Synchronising the fleet together for… some… reason.
Great writing.
Exactly – Star Fleet would never survive if it was dumb enough to have all its assets out at the same time on some celebration. DOH!
It’s Starfleet, not the June Taylor Dancers! (or The Solid Gold Dancers, if you need a different generational reference.)
How about the Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders? Is that still a thing?
I’d say yes, just for kicks.
I actually remember a tv movie about them with Jane Seymour from around the time of Galactica 78.
LOL some people are easily Pleased
This. It’s not like people hated Discovery for some reason, it’s just because it’s went very bad in the last seasons, while Picard started so-so in season 1 and was pretty shitty in season 2, but was saved by a great season 3.
If it wasn’t for season 3 of Picard, nobody would had ask for Legacy after season 2.
Now we saw season 3, and that’s what was good about Star Trek, and that’s why people asked for more of that (Legacy) instead of more of Discovery (Academy).
Captain Seven..
Archer, Pike, Kirk, Picard, Sisko, Janeway, and… Seven of Nine.
7 captains. Kinda meta…
And then there’s Number One….
The headlines a bit misleading. It would be wrong to assume that the producers aren’t pursuing new productions for Star Trek. That Ryan was asked her thoughts about heading up a show really isn’t a surprise. And doesn’t mean they would have ever done it, or it might have turned into something else. I really want to read too much into this…..kind of like we shouldn’t be reading too much into when Star Trek 14 goes into production.
I think they probably have several ideas / concepts ready to pitch at anytime, and this is one of them. But there is nothing new until the new regime at Paramiunt sets an overall strategy for the studio.
Fascinating. Second time she turns down an offer. Very wise and decent human being. I bet she felt was not right to go and do a new show and leave all the others behind.
I am pretty sure the pitch was Fenris Ranger. A lower budget option. Legacy must be really pricey with all the amazing characters.
What amazing characters?
Legacy characters! The continuation of Picard Season 3.
Why not say yes? Captain Seven would be interesting to watch. The new characters they created in Picard were mostly bad except for that one guy they killed off.
Jeri Ryan has made clear that she did not think the first season of Picard got the Seven character correct. What this article says to me is that she wants a competent showrunner who understands the character. There is a reason why marvel plucked Terry Matalas after season 3.
Jeri is a wise actress. I’ve let go of Legacy. I will come back to the franchise if they bring Terry back. I want a show with the ENT-G crew.
Not me. Move 50 years into the future on the Enterprise-H or something. The Titan was pretty damned ugly and Seven was the only character I was interested in had Legacy happened. So no Seven, just move on and start fresh without being saddled by the oldest-looking 21 year old in Starfleet history and the bland LaForge daughters.
New show, new ship!
I’d be OK with that, if they get the right writers. My rule for Star Trek is it has to be post nemesis or 25th century setting. I don’t do nutrek prequels or any shows 900 years down the road.
I’m completely fine with this as well. But I been saying this a long time now, there just seems to be a this drive to have legacy characters on all these shows now. So even if you make a show 50-100 years after Picard, I still think they will find a way to put a legacy character on it, ie, the Doctor and SFA.
This is the difference between NuTrek and classic Trek and why I really miss classic Trek at times.
Well done, Jeri Ryan! Standing up for the fans and the show’s integrity. Keep fighting Kurtzman and is atrocious output etc he, like the Paramount hierarchy, know absolutely zilch! Don’t settle for mediocrity.
The 25th Century needs to be the main setting of the franchise moving forward, no ifs or buts. No one wants Section 31 or Discoverse 32nd Century dross. Bring back Terry Matalas, RDM, Ira Steven Behr and lets get this franchise back on track!
Further proof that Kurtman hates the fact that Terry Matalas is so popular with fans. Same with Lower Decks i suspect.
Agreed. The Kurtzman Ego is a sad creature.
I don’t think Kurtzman wants the competition.
Here is a hot take, I would actually prefer a Captain/Lt./Ensign Shaw series with Todd Stashwick rather than a Legacy show. Yes, his character is pushing daisies, but you could make it as a flashback or some sort of holographic version. Actually, it could even be a holodeck style flashbacks.
I am glad that she decided against one of the world’s worst decisions ever to be made for this entire TV series as a whole
Matalas has said a few times that his Picard Season 3 could have been renamed as Star Trek: Legacy. So, from a certain point of view, we did get that Legacy show already.
That said, I still want a Captain Seven show on the Enterprise-G with Ensign Crusher and Lt. La Forge. However, I would rather drop Raffi. The only time Raffi was interesting in the series was when she was paired with Worf. Without Worf, Raffi is “nails-on-chalkboard” for me.
Back to Seven: one of things I really like about that character is her arc. We have never watched such a complete origin of a captain before her character which has me hopeful for a Captain Seven show. I mean, to go from Borg Drone, to reluctant science officer on the Voyager, to Fennris Ranger, to Starfleet to work up the ranks to Captain is a great story. I just want to see how she does as Captain now.
The only reasons Legacy isn’t happening is cost and the uncertain future of Paramount +. I wonder now if the window is closed but I don’t understand a lot of the recent moves like canceling Prodigy, prematurely ending Lower Decks and green lighting a Discovery era Starfleet Academy show.
Yeah I just don’t really understand it? If others don’t like or want the idea, that I understand. Everyone is different. But the majority of fans do, and it seems like it would just be a slam dunk the same way SNW and Picard was a slam dunk unless it’s truly horrible. Many people thought Picard was truly horrible but that still had no problem getting people to watch it.
I think the Starfleet Academy show was always Kurtzman’s baby. This is only the second show he’s show running himself outside of Discovery. I think he’s directing the premiere episode as well. Again the other show he’s directed was Discovery. So he must’ve really pushed to get it on air.
Hey, Tiger2, I just wanted to tell you that the concept of Starfleet Academy didn’t come from Alex Kurtzman. It came from Paramount most likely. Harve Bennett originally came up with the idea of doing a Starfleet Academy story for Star Trek V way back in 1988. Gene Roddenberry put the kibosh on it. But Paramount loved the idea so much that they held on to it and every few years, at least according to Harve Bennett in the book “The First Fifty Years” anyways, Paramount pulls the idea off of the shelf and tries to see if they can finally use it.
We were supposed to get a Starfleet Academy show in the 1990s. That’s one of the reasons why Wil Wheaton left TNG. But Rick Berman couldn’t get the idea to gel and come together. Star Trek (2009) was originally going to be a Starfleet Academy movie.
But then JJ Abrams got involved and it just became a whole different beast. I think that, when Alex Kurtzman became the show runner for the Star Trek TV shows, it was with the caveat that he had to make a Starfleet Academy series for Paramount sometime before his contract with them ends. I think 🤔 he’s been working on this since Discovery first began. If the Discovery hadn’t made that leap to the 32nd century, then I don’t think Alex Kurtzman would’ve been able to make this Starfleet Academy show work because others have tried and failed.
And, if this show does fail, then people shouldn’t blame him. Blame Paramount. They’ve had this idea since 1988 and it hasn’t come to fruition once in the 36 years that they’ve had this idea and there’s a good reason as to why that is. And that is because the majority of the Star Trek fandom just want to be seeking out new life and exploring new worlds.
Not just stuck on Earth like we are every day in reality. That’s why you hardly ever saw Earth on Star Trek back in the days. Now she’s been a focal point in the Alex Kurtzman era. But my point is that Paramount is to blame for the Starfleet Academy show that’s coming, not Alex Kurtzman.
He’s more than likely just finishing up a contractual obligation that he has to do for Paramount before his contract ends.
Live Long And Prosper,
Tiger2 🐅
Well I wasn’t implying that Kurtzman created the concept of an Academy show, I just meant that’s the show he wanted to make. In fact, what’s funny is I remember a conversation me and you had about the Academy show after it was announced and I told you I first heard of it back in the 90s reading William Shatner’s Star Trek Movies book where he talked about Bennet’s idea. So very aware of that. And you mentioned the Wil Wheaton show to me before which I didn’t know about actually.
And I never heard this idea that Paramount told him he had to make one. I think this was something he and his team came up with. And yes, from what I read, there were multiple pitches for it by other writers. I think the idea for the 32nd century setting came much later.
All that said, yes, I am aware many fans never really liked this idea, including me lol. I never saw the appeal of an Academy show either. But same time, I am open to trying something different. And there are currently five star ship based shows in the modern era. So it’s nice to have one show that is trying something different. And even then, I think they already said there will be a star ship involved on the show. So its already made clear it’s not going to just take place on Earth. I think it will be a DS9 situation where they are not based on a ship but will still be doing star ship things from time to time.
Hopefully it will be good.
Hey, Tiger2 🐅, yeah, it could be Kurtzman’s idea. I don’t know. I just get this feeling like Paramount is pushing him to make this Academy series. I could be wrong, though.
It’s been known to happen before 😄. Also, I didn’t say anything about reading somewhere about Alex Kurtzman being contractually obligated to make Starfleet Academy. I said “it felt like that to me”. You’re right, he could’ve been working on this from the beginning.
I could’ve sworn one time when I was watching an interview with Jonathan Frakes from way back when Discovery first started and he was directing an episode for the first time, I could’ve sworn that I heard him mention something about a Starfleet Academy show. That’s why he started telling this joke at conventions that CBS had snipers on him because he was notorious at spoiling stuff 😄. But that was way back in the beginning of the Kurtzman era. He doesn’t spoil anything now 🙂.
Like you said, hopefully, the show turns out good. I just hope it doesn’t turn into the Star Trek version of Dawson’s Creek 😄. And, yeah, that’s nice that you recall our conversations. You have to remember I have Huntington’s Disease so my short term memory is bad, especially after I lost my Mom a couple of years back on Christmas Eve (the shock of her passing wasn’t good for me). I recall us talking about the Academy show.
I don’t recall mentioning the show that they tried to do with Wesley Crusher in it. I was all for that show, man. I liked Wesley a lot back then. I still enjoy seeing him when he shows up.
But just bear in mind that I may repeat myself, Tiger2 🐅. I haven’t been on here in a couple of years almost 🙂.
Live Long And Prosper, Tiger2 🐅 🙂🖖
Don’t worry I been accused of repeating myself all the time too lol. We all do it. So no worries on that.
The Academy show was being developed very early on. It was mentioned back in 2018 along with rumors of a Picard show, a Khan show (ugh) and an animated show which we now know is LDS today. Picard and LDS got made pretty fast while they (thankfully) cancelled Khan. The Academy show was one that just never died. :It would be mentioned in the background here and there but never in a concrete way until it got announced. I think because unlike those other shows, they didn’t really have a completed concept yet and was probably figuring it out for a while.
But yes it finally happened. But as I said, I think it’s the one Kurtzman wanted to be really hands on with and kept pushing it. And maybe you’re right it was an idea that Paramount wanted too. We know they certainly wanted a TNG sequel show, which became Picard.
The idea does still seem mixed with the fanbase but I think the casting has gotten a lot of people more interested with Paul Giamati and Holly Hunter on it with a few solid Discovery and Voyager actors back. So it’s a great cast if nothing else.
sounds like everything is in a holding pattern until Paramount is sold. and / or they’ve decided no more than 2 live action shows at once. so no Legacy until SNW ends or Academy bombs. i still hope we get a Lower Decks spin-off….an animated Star Trek Titan with Riker would be my choice
Anything starring Raffi is a hard pass from me. Dreadful character.
We have difference of opinion but Raffi brings more to Trek than SNW sitcom Spock ever has. I like her character. I like the fact that Trek is exploring good people that are vulnerable and not perfect. One of Nu Treks better characters imo. Also a new character, not a rewrite and recast of an old character and that’s a plus. Raffi and Shaw for me are the best new characters in all the new Trek shows.
Interesting but yeah I’m just so confused. They seem to want a Seven show but not with Legacy? Ok, fine, I’m open to everything but I just don’t get it? Is it money? Or they don’t like some of the potential cast? Matalas was that much of a pain in the butt? I don’t think it’s a Rangers show either because that would feel like a MAJOR regression of the character at this point. And especially since the majority of people want her as captain. Believe it or not, that’s a very big reason many want the Legacy show in the first place. But yes maybe that was the case and why she turned it down.
But there are two positives, A. They are at least thinking about what’s next and something post Picard which a lot of people truly wants (and they know it) And B. Yes this keeps the idea of Legacy alive (which they also seem to know people really want).
Again, will it ever happen, who knows? But she obviously doesn’t need the money and is not begging to do more Star Trek. So I admire her persistence regardless. Maybe it will all work out at some point.
But now that we know this and we also know Kurtzman has talked to Kate Mulgrew about doing a live action Janeway project, it sounds like things are being considered down the line at least.
Hey again 😁, Tiger2 🐅, I just wanted to say to you that I don’t think Jeri Ryan will be coming back to play Captain Seven. I just don’t think she’s gonna wanna wear the tights the older she gets. That’s the main complaint that comes from all of the women who do Star Trek at one point or another. They don’t want to wear the tights because their body isn’t like it was when they were in their thirties on Star Trek and that comes directly from Marina Sirtis, by the way.
Jeri Ryan was wearing loose fitting clothing in the first two seasons of Picard and she was running around and looking comfortable. She wore the tights in season 3 and she looked so uncomfortable in them and she was 56 then. As she creeps up on 60, I think the desire to get back into the tights is going to lessen more and more. Also, she’s probably asking for $10 million an episode to come back.
Sir Patrick was making that in Picard season 3 and I think Mrs. Ryan was only making $1 million an episode. Her and Sir Patrick Stewart’s pay rates was one of the main driving forces behind Paramount letting all of the former cast members of Picard go. Another reason why, as time passes by, she won’t want to come back to play Seven of Nine again, is the fact that she and her husband own a very successful restaurant out in LA. It’s a high end restaurant and they serve mainly fancy cuisine there.
Jeri Ryan loves cooking and eating fancy stuff like Foie gras and drinking really expensive 100 year old wines. All that stuff that they showed Seven of Nine doing in the Voyager episode “Human Error”, that’s all Jeri Ryan. So, seeing as how her and her husband own a restaurant that’s doing really well and they make a pretty good living from, I don’t think the money is a big enough enticement for her to come back. I don’t see Terry Matalas coming back to Star Trek after he’s done with the Vision show that he’s working on.
I’m 💯 per cent certain that Kevin Feige will hold on to him at Marvel. There’s another reason for Jeri Ryan not to come back. She’s probably very selective about who she works with at this point in her life. But, hey, stranger things have happened, right?
I just don’t think that she’s gonna wanna wear the Starfleet tights when she turns 60 in a few years. Even Sir Patrick Stewart didn’t want to wear them when he came back for Picard. He was 61 the last time he wore them in Nemesis before Picard. William Shatner was 63 the last time he wore his tights in Generations.
And even he’s said, in multiple different interviews over the years, that the way his body has gotten saggy over the years, it would not look good if he got back into the tights again 😄. That’s why I just really think that Jeri Ryan is not going to be coming back. She might. She could.
But, logically, will she? I just don’t see it, Tiger2 🐅.
Live Long And Prosper, Tiger2 🐅 🙂🖖
Hey dude, great to see you again!
But this is kind of a weird argument since Ryan literally said she wants to do more Star Trek, she simply didn’t want to do whatever show they pitched to her and was holding out for Legacy. It’s literally in her statements.
And I don’t think wearing a costume is that big of a deal since many many actors much older than her has worn it. And if Michael Dorn is still willing to have hours of make up applied to his face in his seventies I don’t think wearing a Starfleet outfit is a make or break situation for most actors.
And its great she has a successful restaurant but she is still an actress and working as one today. She was out in force during the actor’s strikes too. So she obviously still loves to do both. And I’m guessing most acting roles she does now still doesn’t pay as much as playing Seven but she still does it.
And its no way she would be asking for $10 million an episode lol. Dude, all the live action Trek shows like DIS, PIC and SNW cost around $8-10 million to make total. This is television, no actor makes that amount of money per episode. Patrick Stewart was making around $750 thousand an episode on Picard, which is still a CRAZY amount of money for a TV show. There are some actors making over a million dollars an episode, but that’s still pretty rare and they are huge stars. Harrison Ford who is obviously a big star makes around $1 million an episode for 1923 and that show’s budget is at least twice the amount of all the new Star Trek shows. Kevin Costner was making $1.3 million for Yellowstone and that is one of the biggest shows on television.
Even movie stars today rarely makes more than that amount of money for films unless they are producers for the movie or makes a lot of money on the back end deal like Tom Cruise gets for his movies which he produces. But his actual salary for movies are around $10 million and he’s Tom Cruise.
And I think you misinterpreted what Patrick Stewart was saying. It wasn’t so much about wearing the uniform, it was mostly that he didn’t want to repeat what he did as the character and wanted to see him doing something outside of Starfleet. Although I’m sure he didn’t miss it lol.
Hi, Tiger2 🐅, Picard season 1 costed a $150 million to make. That’s common knowledge. It costed $10 million a shot when they had to de-age Brent Spiner. Sir Patrick was making $750,000 in season 1 you’re right but that changed in season 2 and 3.
He renegotiated his contract in between each season. He got a million for season 2 and $10 million for season 3. Jeri Ryan may be at the $750,000 for Picard season 3. I know that she wanted to be paid the same as Sir Patrick if Picard came back for another season after season 3.
Terry Matalas has even stated how broke they were for Picard season 3. The only two regular main stars of Picard in season 3 were Jeri Ryan and Sir Patrick Stewart. Now, if the majority of the budget didn’t go towards their pay, then you tell me where it went? It didn’t go towards effects or getting major stars to be in it.
And Terry Matalas also stated that the budget for Picard season 3 had tripled since season 1. Also, Picard was cancelled after Sir Patrick Stewart wanted another pay raise. Paramount does not like spending money, I know that. But they’re not gonna pay Sir Patrick Stewart what he was making almost twenty years ago in Nemesis on Picard.
That’s implausible and illogical, especially when they had high budgets for Picard. As for Tom Cruise, he made $20 million for Top Gun: Maverick and the last Mission: Impossible he did. He got a pay raise after he did that stunt off that building in Dubai in one of the earlier Mission: Impossibles. So he gets his regular wage and stunt wage for the stunts he does in his movies.
I believe Harrison Ford made $20 million for Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny. I’m sure Marvel’s giving him $20 million as well to play Red Hulk. I believe Nicole Kidman is about to make a million dollar pay day for an Amazon show she is doing with Jamie Lee Curtis called Scarpetta. So Jeri Ryan asking for $10 million to come back would not be that unusual, especially if she is the lead actor on said show.
As for her being okay wearing the tights over 60, we’ll see 🙂. There’s a big difference between between being the lead character on a show or just doing a guest-starring spot such as Michael Dorn did in Picard season 3. Michael Dorn only had a few scenes here and there and the Klingon makeup changed greatly from TNG. That’s one reason why he came back to play Worf one more time.
But, if you’re shooting in front of a camera 6 to 12 hours a day and you’re stuck wearing the tights and you feel like you can’t breathe and all you want to do is sit down but you can’t because somebody’s gotta fix your makeup or your hair up, that can get on your nerves very easily and very fast as you get older. So we’ll see if she comes back to play Captain Seven. I could be wrong. But I don’t think I am 🙂.
And please look up Picard season 1, Tiger2 🐅, and you’ll see that it costed $150 million to make the first season. In fact, I believe there’s an article on here from way back when that season first came out that talks about it being a $150 million to make.
Live Long And Prosper, Tiger2 🐅🙂🖖
OK fine, but dude you said $10 million an episode. Did you just mean a season? If that’s the case, then yeah that’s very different obviously. We all make mistakes, me especially lol.
And sure Picard may have cost that much in season one. But I know seasons 2 and 3 were definitely smaller. But my real point was no one is going to pay an actor $10 million an episode when that’s the cost of most episodes today, that’s all. I think most of the TNG cast were paid several hundred thousand an episode. And Matalas said that was another reason why the budget was so much leaner in season 3. So we agree on that too.
And again,Ryan said she wants to do more Star Trek. She literally said she wants to do the Legacy show which she knows would be her being in uniform. So I’m not sure what’s your obsession about this? If she wasn’t up to being in a uniform or doing more Star Trek, then she could just say that. She didn’t.
But yeah salaries are obviously still big on movies, but very few stars makes $20 million. Ford does because he’s been in the game a long time obviously and they are paying him for big franchise movies like Star Wars, Indiana Jones and Marvel. But that’s not the regular salary of most leading actors today outside a handful.
No, I meant $10 million for the whole season, Tiger2 🐅. Not per episode. Sorry for any confusion that I caused. And you are right also again, only big stars make the big money.
As for my “obsession” with Jeri Ryan coming back and wearing the tights again, no obsession. Just people shouldn’t go getting their hopes up, that’s all. I wanted William Shatner to return after Generations as Captain Kirk to get the proper send off that he deserves – saving a whole galaxy, not just one planet. But William Shatner wanted too much money to come back and Paramount didn’t want to pay him.
Then he was supposed to show up on Enterprise in the final season. Once again money was the issue so he said no. Then they want him for Star Trek (2009). First it’s okay, I’d love to do it.
And then he starts saying that he’s too old to play Captain Kirk when he finds out that the role isn’t as big as he wanted it to be. Then they want him for a role in Into Darkness and, once again, he says yes at first and then no because of his age. Then they wanted him for a small role in Beyond. He says yes and then no because he definitely can’t get away with wearing the tight fitting cranberry uniform again at his age.
So my point is that actors often say one thing but mean something else because they don’t want to disappoint the fans, especially Star Trek fans because we’re such a tight knit community. But what an actor says one time during an interview in the heat of the moment might not be what they say a few months later in another interview, especially if said actor gets another job offer in the meantime. That’s all that I’m trying to say, Tiger2 🐅. Hopefully, that clarifies things for you.
Actually, now that I’m thinking about it, you mentioned Kevin Costner and Yellowstone in your last message to me and I’m very surprised that Jeri Ryan hasn’t gotten an offer to be on there yet. That seems to be the hot show now. Even Michelle Pfeiffer’s doing a Yellowstone spin-off. I think Jeri Ryan would fit in great on there. Thoughts on that, Tiger2 🐅?
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I think people are jumping to conclusions here, she was asked if there was a captain seven show but didn’t say i was pitched a captain seven show. She says after picard she was pitched something that wasn’t for her. I don’t think any of her wording suggestions it couldn’t have just been showing up on something like Lower Decks or Prodigy.
I’m pretty sure if she was just being asked to guest star in another show she would’ve just said that. And why would she turn down doing an appearance in an episode just to wait for Legacy? That sounded like something much bigger and specifically for her.
And also they specifically said Captain Seven which wouldn’t make sense if she was talking about LDS or PRO because those take place around 15 years before Picard.
I wonder if this offer was made after Terry Matalas was offered the Vision series, and the studio felt they couldn’t do Legacy without Matalas. Sounds like Jeri Ryan is loyal to Terry Matalas and the fans.
I suspect Jeri Ryan’s comment “… But there has been talk. And if there is one thing I have learned with this franchise it is: never say never. You never know.”, is hinting that maybe the studio could be waiting until Terry is freed up (?).
While I do think that’s possible, chances are she is just hoping they come around to making it. But yes she is clearly loyal to Matalas.
And I don’t know anything about his deal with Marvel and so on, but I highly doubt it means he’s only attached to Disney making the vision show and can’t do other things. It’s possible but I have not heard that from any other filmmaker making shows or movies for them. So in other words I don’t think anything is stopping him from making another Trek show along with doing the MCU show. And we know others like JJ Abrams and Alex Kurtzman was doing plenty of other projects for other studios while they were making Star Trek. Kurtzman has created several other shows while he’s been in charge of Star Trek. That said, I’m not saying Matalas would or even want to do that. He seems to be more a one project at a time person and not trying to be a ‘mega producer’ like the Abrams of the world.
I get the impression that Terry likes to devote 100% of his time for any project he’s working on.
He was working on a Witch Mountain series for Disney+, but apparently that didn’t make it past the pilot, and was shelved this past spring. It looks like around that time Matalas was offered the Vision series.