Over the weekend at the CCXP convention in Brazil, Paramount+ unveiled the official trailer for the Star Trek: Section 31 streaming movie, which arrives on January 24, 2025. The film has been somewhat of a mystery but the new trailer lifted the veil a bit on what we can expect. We have taken a deep dive look at the trailer for an analysis that utilizes what has been previously revealed about the movie along with some educated speculation. So, SPOILERS ahead.
Welcome to Georgiou’s place
The trailer starts with an establishing shot of The Baraam, a main setting for the movie—the space nightclub run by former Terran Emperor Phillipa Georgiou.
The Baraam has been described as “an opulent nightclub with a view of a brilliant, swirling nebula.” The trailer zooms in to show an alien singer entertaining the crowd.
As we pan through the crowd, we get our first look at two of the main characters for the movie, Fuzz and Rachel Garrett (more on them later).
Behind them, we get our first glimpse of what appears to be Georgiou walking through the club, wearing a veil made of chains.
We hear a voice-over saying “There is a customer… hoping for a word from you.” This was spoken by a deep cut alien, a half-black/half-white surviving native of Cheron from the TOS episode “Let That Be Your Last Battlefield.” This guy is black on the right side, like Bele from that classic 1960s allegory about the futility of racism.
Now we see the star of the movie unveiled, Michelle Yeoh, reprising her role as Georgiou from Star Trek: Discovery. The character was last seen in season 3 of Discovery, leaving the 32nd century via the Guardian of Forever. We now know she went back in time, and we catch up with her in the Section 31 movie in the “Lost Era” of the early 24th century. Her official Section 31 character card says: “Unable to return to the Terran Empire, Emperor Philippa Georgiou lives under a new alias as owner of The Baraam, a nightclub operating outside of Federation space.”
We soon get a shot of the second most important character in the movie, Alok Sahar, “The Mastermind” (Omari Hardwick), who leads the Section 31 team. Sahar is “super old,” having extended his life through genetic augmentation and cryosleep.
Sahar has a complicated past and is at the club for a specific reason, as explained by his official Section 31 character card: “Sahar is driven to make amends for actions in his past by serving the greater good, which involves tracking down and recruiting Emperor Philippa Georgiou for a covert mission.” In the trailer, we can see the two of them meeting separately, presumably to discuss this mission.
Georgiou asks “What are you doing in my space station?” and he replies, “I am giving you a chance to get back in on the action on a galactic scale.”
Fight club
But enough setup! The trailer turns to some action where Michelle Yeoh can show off her legendary martial arts skills. First we see her on stage at the club, kicking a guy in black leather suit complete with leather mask.
In her office, we see her fighting the same guy using some kind of box as a weapon, and then there is a bit of a distortion effect.
In the next shot we see her using the box to throw a guy in a blue suit across the room. It’s possible the box (or some other tech) is defeating some kind of holographic disguise. During this part of the fight ,we can see Alok watching Georgiou along with Zeph (more on him later).
Later in the trailer, we get more of Georgiou (and the distortion effect) frighting the guy in the leather suit, who appears to have a special phaser.
Even later can also see where the fight crashes from her office into the main club, resulting in a startled reaction from Melle (more on her later too).
Getting on board
Back to exposition, we see a small ship docked at the the Baraam. It has been revealed the film features three different ships: Georgiou’s personal ship, a Section 31 ship, and one called “The Scow.” It’s unclear which one this is.
Georgiou tells Alok, “The only way this works is I know exactly what I’m dealing with.” We can see them talking through the windows of what appears to be the same ship.
Here is another shot from later in the trailer, providing giving a better look at the ship from the outside…
Stakes and mirrors
Alok explains “We are facing a threat unlike anything Starfleet has ever seen.” As we hear this, we see a planet with something (or someone) being revealed from under a golden sheet as well as soldiers apparently from the Terran Empire of the Mirror Universe beaming in.
Cut to a close-up of a spherical object and Georgiou (in full Emperor outfit) looking down at it.
More shots of the same planet and a young Georgiou (played by Miku Martineau).
In her office, Georgiou gets serious, telling Alok “Billions of lives are at stake… gather your people. We are going to need every one of them.”
There is also a quick shot of what appears to be the same ship as above on what may be the same planet.
Later in the trailer, there is another shot from the dusty planet of a blacksmith…
… and a Terran kneeling along with another character with a more elaborate outfit.
The implications of all of this is that it’s possible something from Georgiou’s past in the Terran Empire is threatening the Federation and Starfleet in the 24th century, which is why Section 31 is reaching out to her after all these years.
Section 31 meet and greet
About one-third into the trailer. it’s time to meet the team a bit more properly with a series of quick shots of the characters. First up is Fuzz, aka “The Maniac” (Sven Ruygrok), a Section 31 team member who appears to be a Romulan (or a rogue Vulcan) and is described as someone who can “switch from hysterical laughter to filter-free anger at the drop of a dime.”
Next is Quasi, “The Enigma” (Sam Richardson), a shapeshifting Chameloid and the team’s scientist. According to his official Section 31 description, Quasi is “disinterested in the delusion of ‘utopia’ and most other things, especially you.”
And then there is Melle, “The Lover” (Humberly González), the Deltan member of the Section 31 team who has not taken the oath of celibacy, instead using “her irresistible magnetism for Section 31’s benefit.”
Then there’s a shot of Zeph, “The Machine” (Robert Kazinsky), who wears a mech suit that enhances his abilities. He is a loyal soldier working for Alok who will do pretty much anything, no questions asked. His official card reads: “Mech life ain’t just about brute force. The human Zeph lives, works, and everything in between, inside his mechanical exoskeleton, drawing out the right tools in his work as a Section 31 operative.”
Rounding things out is Rachel Garrett (Kacey Rohl), a younger version of the future captain of the USS Enterprise-C, who is sort of the Starfleet minder for the band of Section 31 misfits. In voice-over she tells us “Section 31 is a black ops division, spywork.” Georgiou says “It’s just a place for people to bend the rules,” to which Garrett replies “Starfleet is here to make sure no one commits murder.”
Georgiou is amused by this.
This section of the trailer introducing Section 31 and the team also includes a Starfleet gadget, possibly some kind of holographic projector.
The mission
Cut to an establishing shot of a huge hovering ship or structure on the dusty planet.
In voiceover we hear Georgiou: “Whatever you believed your mission was, it’s worse than you thought” as we see the gang exiting a vault door on what appears to be the dusty planet.
Next up is a wider shot of the same structure on fire at night.
There are some more shots from what could be the same infiltration mission.
Rachel asks “How do we stop it?” and Alok says “We work together and don’t get dead” as we see Quasi morph into Georgiou.
Quasi (from a different scene in a different outfit) says: “I’ll try my hardest.”
In this part of the trailer, we see two ships headed into some maelstrom: the ship from before and a more ramshackle ship (possibly “The Scow”).
This other ship comes in for a landing on the dusty planet.
There also appears to be a sort of hovercar chase segment with Fuzz driving…
Who’s your Dada?
On the bridge of a ship Georgiou and Alok question a character previously revealed to be called “Dada Noe” (Joe Pingue). Alok threatens, “If you don’t answer her questions directly, she will punch you in your face” before he punches him.
The indignant Noe responds, “You said she was going to be doing the face punching,” and Alok quips, “I lied.”
Noe in voice-over says, “You have no idea what you have started.”
Boom
Things get frantic in the final moments of the trailer with more shots of fighting and action and explosions and the like…
Quasi warns “This is going to be bad” as a ship maneuvers.
On the bridge, Garrett counts down as a torpedo fires on their ship and things go boom…
The ship (again possibly “The Scow”) under heavy fire as sparks fly on the bridge…
The shots get more frantic with some fighting…
…Young Georgiou again…
Georgiou says: “We survive together.”
…Alok and Garrett on a ship, weapons out…
We wrap up with Georgiou mid-fight catching a sword…
Rated PG-13
And that’s that. The trailer has some title cards including the tagline split up “To protect the light…. they fight in the shadow.”
The final title cards remind us Star Trek: Section 31 is streaming January 24. And notably the movie has a MPAA rating of PG-13.
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My personal opinion is this looks pretty awful, I’ll watch it as I watch all trek but as a first TV movie I am disappointed by the look of this, to be “edgy” they are abandoning what trek fundamentally is to create some generic looking scifi spectacle that looks familiar because we have traditional tropes. I would have liked to see Nicholas Meyer come back to do something, he could have made a fantastic film on a limited budget I’m sure. Or even create a Lower Decks movie with a comedic “heart” that a lot of fans would have liked.
I have to agree. Everything about this looks bad. Quasi? Fuzz?? A combo of Section 31, the mirror universe, and Augments–the three most over-used aspects of Star Trek in recent years–in a blatant ripoff of Suicide Squad? I dunno…. I want to look forward to this but it’s so difficult because both trailers have done it no justice at all.
The two things they keep bringing up is Khan/Augments and Section 31. I will never get the obsession with either? Obviously I’m fans of them both but Khan and the augment issue had its time, move on already. Section 31 can still be used in certain stories from time to time but I don’t see the need to do it as independent projects like this movie either. I’m still happy when didn’t get a TV show at least.
The overuse of s31 this century is ruining its potential.
I had an idea after GEN came out — a limited-series-sized idea — that I’ve discussed here several times before about the E-b and Harriman, and as soon as DS9 did its first 31 show, I thought, wow, this dovetails so well with what I laid out a few years back. But now I’d steer clear of mentioning 31 because it is too easy to go there, and way too damned familiar.
Wow, sounded like a cool idea at least.
As far as Section 31, they were only used 3 times on DS9 and 4 times on Enterprise. It’s really the modern era they went crazy with them although Discovery is really the only show that used them to an extreme level.
But imagine if that TV show got made. That would’ve been overkill IMO.
but s31 only used in ‘darkness’ and then Disc s2 so it not overkill of their use recently at all.
They were basically the entire story line of season 2 of Discovery. That’s what I mean by overkill.
But as I said, I’m not suggesting there shouldn’t be more stories about them, just more in smaller doses like how they were used on DS9 and ENT. And we just got another good example of that very recently (no spoilers ;)).
Yeah, Section 31 had a certain mystique on DS9 (like Area 51). Both it being such an open secret since then makes it rather uninteresting and has ruined its better qualities. It’s just there for the “cool” factor and not as a true foil to Star Trek’s utopian dreams.
Everytime I see this I just take a moment and a deep breath,and go back and watch Unification,
Count me in with the Lower Decks movie idea! 🙂👍
And I agree with you, I hate everytime Trek tries to go edgy like it did with Picard and Discovery. It just feels off.
That’s of course MU Georgiou entire shtick, she’s too cool for the Starfleet nerds and who doesn’t like a good generation to spice up a dull week?
But this trailer is trying so hard to be cool and edgy and it feels very forced.
But you could argue Lower Decks is a bit edgy too with all the F bombs and sex jokes; but it does it in a way where it makes the characters just feel more human and regular people. I used to hear people who said they hated TNG and the 24th century was because everyone came off stiff and uptight. They didn’t feel as loose as Kirk and the gang in the 23rd century. People in the 24th century were too perfect.
Lower Decks proves that’s not the case anymore lol. The characters can be rambunctious and free spirits like regular people. Even T’Lyn loses control in a lot of episodes like that time she made a joke.
The Cerritos is a bleeping bleepshow at times and I wouldn’t have it any other way! 😁
Sorry went in a tear there about LDS lol!
Hard agree. Well said.
Boy, it’s been 8 years and people are STILL complaining about the different tone and energy. Gotta say, that’s some real dedication.
I get you don’t like it but it’s been almost a decade of it. When will you just accept that this is the way it is, and move on because you don’t enjoy it?
I do wonder – who is asking for this?? Section 31 from what I remember was first introduced on DS9 then revisited in Enterprise, 2 shows which I dont particularly see the writers/producers of “Nu-Trek” showing reverence to, so why choose that particular piece of the Trek jigsaw to revisit nd expand upon?
Also why resurrect Rachel Garrett and make her a character in this show and not just have it all fresh faces?
If one of the writers/producers is a fan of TNG episode Yesterdays Enterprise say, then why not pitch a show or TV movie set aboard the Enterprise C, would that be any better or worse recieved than this section 31 movie? I have only ever heard praise for that episode of TNG, where as even the trailer of this section 31 movie has been treated as bad as Russel Crowe in a colleseum
I have NOT criticised this trailer I want to add. I only criticise “Nu-Trek” after I have watched (suffered) it
Back to my original question though
Who is asking for this?
Also who is asking for a Star Fleet academy show?
and while I am here who is asking for another prequel movie??
Are Paramount doing any kind of Star Trek market research, what is the inspiration for these ventures??
I will give any Star Trek a chance, even though I am questioning their creative decision making.
Where are these ideas for future Trek projects coming from??
Well they have been using Section 31 since STID and of course Discovery season 2 so they been intrigued with the concept for a long time now. And I guess they just like the concept because they can tell some really unique and interesting stories with them in a way you can’t with regular Starfleet officers.
But so far, how they have been using them has been a major disappointment IMO. I was one of the few people originally excited about them being on Discovery and wanted to see how they would be used in the 23rd century. They ended up having a much bigger story and basically became the entire crutch of how Discovery ended up in the 32nd century. They expanded the concept more than any other show prior and we knew a show with Yeoh was coming so I understood why there was so much focus on them. But the fan reactions ended up being mixed to negative and that probably killed the show idea. But I guess they still wanted to bring back Yeoh so here we are.
As for Rachel Garret, the easy answer is they probably just wanted to use a legacy character fans already know and liked that can draw them into the movie. And since she was just in one episode, they can expand on her early work for Starfleet. I’m actually happy she’s part of the story but getting nervous about how she will be portrayed. But I would be interested in an Enterprise C show down the line, but not holding my breath.
Originally I was excited about the movie. But I thought it would be more ambitious story wise and we would get a story that showed Section 31 as a much more in-depth organization and would involve the multiverse or time travel. I was hoping for a much more complex story instead of the rogue Suicide Squad side quest thing we are getting instead. But of course that’s my fault for letting my imagination go too wild.
As for your other question of future projects the only answer I have is they probably wanted to come up with ideas that just didn’t have your basic Starfleet characters on another starship exploring space. They wanted to give us different angles to Starfleet although that will probably be a component to both the prequel movie and SFA. That was also the appeal of Section 31 as well. But I’m convinced most fans just want another Enterprise based show. And why the idea of the Legacy show is so appealing and won’t go away.
The appeal of the Legacy show is that for many, assuming that they can get rid of Kurtzman, is to get Terry Matalas back to run it AND maybe all of Star Trek going forward. Those people don’t want Kurtzman to touch a potential Legacy series at all.
Yeah, I know a lot of people who loved Picard season 3 mostly loved it because they felt Terry Matalas tapped into the classic style of Star Trek and gave the old fans the vibes TOS-ENT again.
And I want a Legacy show as well. But I don’t have an issue if Kurtzman is involved or not (but maybe ask me after this movie and SFA lol). But the reality is Kurtzman is running the franchise and Terry Matalas, at least for the moment, has moved on. So it’s all very moot right now.
“ the vibes TOS-ENT again.”
Boy is *this* such a wide range as to barely be descriptive.
I’m talking about all those people who keep iterating Star Trek was ‘true’ Star Trek to them between 1966-2005. I’m sure you seen people say that in multiple places, including here. Many of them include Picard season 3 similar to that period and why they liked it.
And for the record, I don’t agree with them obviously, but I hear this…a lot.
So, now fans are suppose to dictate to artist what they are suppose to create rather than the time honored tradition of creative impulse and inspiration? How entitled TREK fans and fans in general have become. Personally, I like to be surprised and taken on a journey not by the dictates of my own desires–or, other fans–but by the fountain of creative energy, freedom and surprise that come from creators in all the arts. I just think that’s more fun. Oh, well….
Calling the people who make “Nu-Trek” artists is going a bit far don’t you think?
I’m beginning to think even calling them ‘craftspersons’ would be deemed offensive to most people in crafting guilds.
So true. If the creators listen to the people on this forum, Trek would be dead within a year. People like them said the same about DS9 and Voyager when they first launched.
Sick of this tired argument. Yes maybe some fans were apprehensive when TNG and / or DS9 were announced,but anyone who stuck with them shows into their 3rd seasons would eat their words. Those shows started strong in my opinion but became GREAT. “Nu-Trek” has never been strong and it will never ever EVER be great.
He’s the resident troll. Don’t take him seriously.
Says the chronic troll of this forum. I’m heading to Bangkok early next year. You’ll miss me. 😘
Yeah, I’m sure your ‘girlfriends’ will be happy to see you back.
And no, I won’t miss you. If you want me to prove it, leave for a year and see if your name ever comes up again. It won’t.
At least I have Girlfriends 👯♀️ 😊. Anyway the last time I checked, Bangkok does have the internet and I never make promises and you’ll miss me.
Au contraire; I was utterly gung ho about DS9, though it took a little while to deliver on much of the inherent promise.
VOYAGER and even Little ENT had very good premises, but the execution was just so utterly shite, practically out of the gate, that it was easy to complain, listing valid criticism after valid criticism. VOYAGER would have been so much more interesting if it had taken them on a route more like EQUINOX and YEAR OF HELL done for real, and then seeing if they can earn their soul back after doing seriously awful things AND having to live on a battered ship that wasn’t seemingly a self-cleaning oven in space.
Now I really WAS a big naysayer on TNG, but in all honesty, I’m still not all that thrilled with most of those. S3 TNG was pretty good (when they didn’t have time to rewrite everything to death), and there were some glorious exceptions, but I still found it played everything too safe most of the time.
“self-cleaning oven in space”
That’s a good one!
Who asked for Andor?
No one, and it’s amazing.
Fans “asking for something” isn’t necessary.
The opposite view, people were asking for Obi Wan and Book of Boboa Fett and those sucked!
I guess the other lesson is be careful what you….
I’ve not seen Star Trek Andor yet thanks for the heads up!
Ah, displaying the same level of maturity as your original post I see. Makes sense.
Because Kurtzman is a concipracy nut an 9/11 Truther. Of cource he loves the “Deep State”
Uh, that was Orci, no?
It seems to me they are trying to “create” new audiences for Star Trek. Section 31 for those who love suspense/thrillers, which is a huge audience, but haven’t tried Star Trek. Starfleet Academy for Generation Zers who are coming of age, but haven’t tried Star Trek.
The target audience clearly is not you or me and not really the classic Trekkies. They try to keep us interested with the legacy characters, although Rachel Garret is a pretty off the wall choice. I have pretty eclectic taste though so I’ll give these a shot.
This movie looks very dull….
Ok Boomer Worf
Just think if this was a show that was drawn out for 10 episodes smh
The screen caps highlight the oversaturated and non-cinematic look of this. The clips we’re seeing in the trailer seem to signal it will be unrestrained and awful across the board. The look of Star Trek seems so off lately. It looks cheap, lacks depth, and feels more like a budget-constrained CBS show than something grounded and cinematic.
Am I the only one who is looking forward to this movie?
Nope.
Nope.
Nope
There are dozens of you…
I like this trailer! It’s exciting.
do you have a towel?
Obviously you haven’t been following the Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy: Remember your towel! :D
—Scotty
I’ll try and say something positive for a change, but the one thing that intrigues me is that according to Trekculture, one of the characters is supposed to be a Vaadwaur. For people who don’t know or remember that species, they are from the Delta Quadrant and Voyager encountered them in the episode Dragon’s Teeth. They were part of a long conflict with another species in the story and turned out to be major A-holes attacking multiple species/colonies for resources centuries ago (it’s the Delta Quadrant though, there is never a lack of supply of major A-holes there). But since they are firmly on that side of the quadrant in this time period and in cryostasis for hundreds of years until Janeway encountered them, it is a question of how anyone met them decades earlier in the Alpha Quadrant.
It may not be actually true of course or if it is the character could only have a passing encounter in the story. But MAYBE they are central to the story and possibly the villains Section 31 has to stop? That would be interesting at least and using a species we only encountered once so they can expand their story more. I always wanted to learn more about them since they have a very interesting back story while also connected to early Borg as well.
But so far, this is really the only thing that intrigues me about the movie and as said they may not be in the story at all. But it is really sad that nothing about this movie remotely grabs me so far.
WHat I find interesting are the Chameloids. My head canon ever since DS9 is that these were a species born out of the 100 or so sent out centuries ago by the Great Link. But of course nothing in canon supports that.
That’s a cool idea too. I can go for that and they tie both species together.
The ironic thing tho is Rene was in ST VI as a human lol
Haha so true.
Ah bringing the Vaadwaur would be an intriguing idea for me too. And they used a system of corridors to get around areas of the Delta Quadrant Maybe in the past they had one that got them to the Alpha Quadrant as well and Section 31 shut it down.
Just please don’t let it be another supervillian looking for VENGEANCE. 🙄
I suppose a few of them could have not chosen to go to cryo sleep and used their corridors to make it to the alpha quadrant.
Hmmm the Section 31 guy likes cryosleeping according to the article. Perhaps that’s who he got the tech from–or where some encounter ocvurred–although I guess it’s been a thing since “Space Seed.”
Could be. I mean if you think about it, the Abrams films merged Khan and S31 and Kurtzman comes from the Abrams era so….
They guy being thrown by that device from far away looks Vaadwaur to me. Villain sounds likely
Oh interesting. I have to look at that scene again.
Star Trek Deltan Force
Rated TV-MA considering their ‘special abilities” … but no population was ever happier to be subjugated :D
Excellent analysis as always.
Wish I could say I was looking forward to this.
my only critique is the fact that the guy from Cheron has two colors of hair and the one’s we saw on TOS only had one.
You’re right!
I’m a nitpicker when it comes to classic alien designs but this one doesn’t bother me. It makes total sense that at least some members of the race would have the pigment differences be present in their hair as well. Now, if they unnecessarily retcon that to be the the case for ALL members of the species…
“Think good thoughts”
I really want this to become a series as originally intended.
looks like the spent a lot of money on a crappy script.
i’ll give it a shot and keep an open mind, but this doesn’t look its for me.
btw how many groan inducing foreshadowing jokes are we gonna get with Garrett? i’ll set the over / under at 3.5 and will take the over.
Well, ain’t that a kick in the head!
I know it can be tiresome taking about what Gene would’ve wanted (he often didn’t get it, even when he was alive), but this takes it to a whole new level. It’s also not what a significant number of Star Trek fans want. You have Michelle Yeoh and you waste her on this? My God. She was willing to do a whole series, why not make her captain and make a Star Trek show? She could’ve been a 25th century captain, with Sonequa Martin-Green as her first officer. And Doug Jones as Saru! My God, that whole Discovery cast, or SNW cast. They’re all fantastic and they get garbage show premises and episode after ridiculous episode. Did these producers come straight from the 7th grade summer writing camp, training their ears for dialogue at McDonald’s after the field hockey game?
How exactly would that 25th century Star Trek show work, given that Michael & Saru are in the 32nd century?
Unless you were talking about Discovery being made a 25th century show instead of being a 23rd century show.
Yes, I was thinking “what-if”: a change in concept before launch. But all of this is wishful thinking and we can’t slingshot around the sun.
Unfortunately I think Michelle Yeoh was sold on the show based on the idea she would be an antagonist. As much as we all like the first two episodes of Discovery, and the original captain, I think for her, that was just the work to get to the fun. We have literally never heard a producer speak to the “get out of jail free” card they could have if they replaced the Emperor’s body with the original captain and let the captain live. No one has ever asked a producer why they don’t do it, and now we have this.
As someone mentioned previously, I hope the whole trailer is a misdirect .
I think if they could’ve went back and started over with Discovery, they would’ve done a lot of things differently.
And I think the main two changes would’ve been to put Discovery in a post-Nemesis setting on day one (probably somewhere in the 25th century since there was no Picard at the time) and yes keep the original Georgiou alive. We have to remember this was based on what Bryan Fuller wanted and when he created Georgiou it wasn’t made for a specific actress in mind. They just happen to get a more recognized star in the role to probably market it better but liked her so much they found a way to bring her back later; just the mirror universe counterpart and here we are.
But people did like the original Georgiou a lot and killing her off so soon was really a big mistake I’m sure they all regret today. I think even a prequel show on the Shenzhen could’ve worked but the problem with that is you have to bring back Burnham too.
Agree with all of this. Discovery just did so many things wrong from the start. The biggest was just putting it before TOS. That was a mistake all around seeing the show we got.
And I would’ve like to see the original Georgiou stay alive too. The Adolf version of her is a joke. Now we’ll get a full two hours of it soon. But obviously Yeoh loves playing her
I think 1/2 way though the 1st season they realize how badly they messed up and they made so much effort trying to walk it back that the show became even more convoluted than it was to begin with. Nothing is more evident of that than when they jumped into the future and messed stuff up SO MUCH more!
I think they really knew once they heard all the complaints from fans when the show started. Still I don’t get how someone like Bryan Fuller who knew exactly how fans looked at this stuff when he was on Voyager didn’t think changing the entire look of the universe and the Klingons a decade before TOS wasn’t going to be divisive?
And again, this isn’t a Star Trek nerd thing, any franchise, especially well established ones would all get the same scrutiny. Imagine if in the Star Wars prequels, they decided the Wookies were going to be hairless for some reason. Or Yoda suddenly was blue. Or that Nolan decided his Batman movies would be in the same universe as the Tim Burton ones.
Extreme examples, but the point remains. And once someone decided to add the spore drive, the most magical and advanced tech ever made in Star Trek (that all the pro-23rd century fans kept saying they wanted a Trek show back in that period so the technology could feel ‘grounded’ again), it was time to move the show to a more appropriate century or where it always should’ve been.
It’s always change for the sake of change. I always point to the Snyder DCEU films. How can I mess up Superman just because I feel like it? How do I deconstruct and explain to the audience the greatest and most famous superhero of all time who needs no explanation. And SHOCKER, it failed miserably and now needs a total reboot. Just like Star Trek 4 has been in limbo for like forever and LucasFilm can’t get a post sequel trilogy project off the ground in any capacity. It’s like all of hollywood went stupid.
Well said dear. It is always change for change sake. And if you want to change something, then why are you making it a prequel??? That was the entire problem with Discovery, they wanted to change everything but put it in the 23rd century where it looked completely out of tune with TOS. That’s when the show should’ve been several years or even decades past Voyager. It was so jarring watching that show trying to pretend it’s supposed to be in the same universe.
But people making NuTrek are sadly clueless; hence greenlighting this movie.
But the only thing worse than NuTrek today was the DCEU. Yes, talk about a mess. I gave up after that ridiculous Justice League movie happened. I just stopped caring and never watched a single film after it. With the exception of Wonder Woman and maybe Flash, none of the other characters felt like themselves. They tried to turn Superman into the Dark Knight and it didn’t work although Henry Cavill himself was great in the role. Aqua Man went bohemian. It was silly.
Ya that’s the other thing! Writers always complain, “aww, canon is too hard, it stifles our creativity bla bla bla…” 1) if you were actually creative then it wouldn’t be blocking you. Case in point, I am no writer, but you want to get rid of canon issues in SNW? Tell the exact same story you are, just don’t call the enemy the Gorn. DONE! DId that take a lot of creativity? 2) If you are sooo burdeoned by canon, stop going back in time.
But even then, Discovery tried that when they jumped to the 32nd century and they STILL broke canon because they are JUST that bad. “Oh, warp is gone and we can’t go anywhere.” Umm, Borg conduits? Slip Stream drives? Those weird wave things that LaForge and Picard were testing that were literally called Warp without Warp drive? Daniels who existed hundreds of years earlier (before the finale retcon) who could travel through space and time as easily as the iconians?
Forget for a second how stupid it is a baby cried and destroyed the galaxy. By this time in the Federation’s tech era, it should not have mattered. Somehow, the writers moved into the future and STILL found epic ways of breaking canon.
“It’s always change for the sake of change.”
This is true. Writers complain that they chafe under the restrictions of existing canon. Then don’t get a job working for an existing franchise. Work on your own new series, and then you can go wild to your heart’s content!
Exactly! And if you are so worried about canon stop making prequels.
Which is why it was always smarter to go forwards, not backwards. As others said, that was the most baffling thing about Discovery, trying to reconcile this show took place anywhere near the same period as TOS. And yes, as said a thousand times over, part of that is just the realities of a contemporary show being made next to one made in the 60s…which is probably a good reason you shouldn’t even try then. And that was the thing, they didn’t really try anyway and just angered more people.
SNW does it better for sure but clearly that show looks more advanced than TOS as well; but they were smart not to give the thing another spore drive at least and the Klingons look like Klingons again.
As much as I dislike Kurtzman, I do wonder if Fuller deserves some blame for the current state of Star Trek, too. His desire for an anthology series was a very bad idea. Much of the charm of Star Trek was seeing the various crews through a multi-year mission; a snapshot of their careers, never to be seen again, would be dull.
I don’t think Bryan Fuller wanted this. His version of Discovery would have been way better than the soap opera we got from Michelle Paradise.
A grown kid is whining about his mother and destroys warp drive 1000 years in a future they barely defined. Fuller would not have done that.
Well the anthology show never happened, so that’s obviously not a factor with Star Trek today. But I have always been torn on the idea too. I think it would be cool to see new angles of crews and time periods, but people do get attached to characters pretty quickly.
And we can really only judge him with Discovery (even then not fully since he obviously left before they even started filming) since every show after that he had zero influence with. And I say this all the time, with the exception of Picard, all the other shows really have very little association with Discovery in terms of their tone, formats, etc. SNW is a direct spin off of Discovery but honestly if you were a first time viewer to Star Trek and watched both shows side by side, you would never know it. Because they just feel and act so differently in their approach. And for some reason SNW has avoided Discovery crossovers (minus Amanda) since there are still characters from that show in the 23rd century.
But I do remember how excited everyone was when they heard Fuller was making a Star Trek show. Someone who started in the Berman era but then went on to create some very acclaimed shows on his own. Even though I am very mixed over Discovery and the decisions he made on it, it is a little disappointing we will probably never see him back in Star Trek again.
I just want one Stsr Trek show that’s smart, allegorical, and has compelling characters…..one show that is about exploration and it’s aspirational….just one show for adults….
Respectfully, when was Star Trek ever about exploration?
“Space. The Final Frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise. It’s five year mission, to explore strange new worlds. To seek out new life and civilizations. To boldly go where no man has gone before.”
Sounds to me since 1966.
Yes, I think some of the best of Trek: Wrath of Khan, Best of Both Worlds, also destroyed Trek. Thereafter, it became formulaic and it seemed everything was about either the big, bad villain or the big, bad galactic threat and war. Both those eps were excellent, but like a photocopy of a photocopy of a photocopy of a photocopy, the repeats created diminishing returns that were far inferior to the original.
TOS was all about exploration. It was TNG that introduced the idea of the Enterprise revisiting planets that were already part of the Federation. And then DS9 was about exploring the Gamma Quadrant till the war and Voyager explored pretty much the whole time on their way home. Enterprise explored till the Xindi attack.
Actually TOS revisited a lot of planets and Federation colonies too. They did a lot of bureaucratic stuff like TNG did, but a bit less. VOY and ENT were really the shows that really was mostly just about exploration, at least the first few seasons.
They did. But IMHO it was a healthy balance of a bit of it all . I mean one minute they are revisiting a planet that is mimicing Earth based on a book that got left behind, the next they are visiting a populated steroid that everyone thinks is a planet.
He must have forgotten about the Battle of Wolf 359 and the Cardassian Border Wars. I hate Insurrection.
I know it is a typo, but ‘populated steroid’ just cracked me up, almost as bad as an actual line in THE BLACK HOLE, about searching for ‘habitable life.’
LOL oops!
Wasn’t it Picards line in Insurrection: “Remember when we used to be explorers”
Jack…what?
They explore in every show. Enterprise did nothing BUT explore because there was no Federation to attend to. Even in DS9, the show where the station doesn’t move, they explored. No one ever said Star Trek was only about exploring, but that’s clearly a big mandate of the show.
DICK!!! People like you should be vetted before being allowed on a Star Trek forum
Go outside
I was outside when I wrote that
Gene would have hated this for sure. But then, he hated a lot of the TOS movies. His vision is TNG seasons 1-4.
in terms of watching a Trek show improve, that period spanning TNG seasons 1-4 is one of the best in the franchise. God I miss proper Star Trek
“Starfleet is here to make sure no one commits murder.”
So still not in the shadows as described. Got it.
Exactly! I mean they are essentially doubling down what they did with them in Discovery and Starfleet is basically overseeing their missions.
That was the opposite of what Section 31 was. They had complete autonomy, Starfleet was a nonfactor in their decisions. And that was so they could deny their existence by purposely ignoring what they did.
And everyone here knows this. What’s sad is the people who makes these stories either don’t seem to get it or just doesn’t care. I have a feeling it’s just the latter since this is not a hard concept to grasp if you just watch the damn show.
Exactly. S31 in DS9 actually operated much like the Bajoran terrorist network. They had individual cells where no one cell knew everything the other was doing so that no single cell could compromise the whole operation. The very idea that Starfleet is aware and overseeing them goes against the very nature of who they are supposed to be. This is what I meant when I was talking to you the other day. I’ve tried to be optimistic for so many years now and at some point I just have to throw my hands in the air and say enough. If Sir Patrick Stewart couldn’t bring the glory days of Trek back I dunno who can. It’s a sad day when an almost fan production like Unification can beat out almost a decades worth of Paramount made “Star Trek”
Yeah, this is how they operated. They basically were a terrorist network and keep information close to the chest. If one gets caught, they didn’t know what the others were doing and so on. There was no ‘official’ channels. They were winging it. They recruited who they needed and believed in their cause and when the job was done they go back into the shadows and no one the wiser. No one was filling out a report when it was over.
This is what fans wanted again. And I don’t know why, but I assumed the people making this movie also wanted that or why make it??? I don’t really understand it. It’s like Kelvin Khan and STID all over again. They want to use the name and make it the draw but what’s the point when you ignore all the things fans actually liked??? I didn’t see the Khan I grew up with at all. He kept saying his name was….Khan!! But that was literally the extent of it.
And now it feels like history is repeating itself.
It’s confusing. I guess they want to just put their own stamp on things or give it a twist. Fine, but as been said a thousand times now, when you are doing these things in a nearly 60 year old established universe, you have to do it a certain way or you will lose the very people you’re supposedly speaking to.
Now we haven’t seen the movie yet and maybe it will surprise us. But the director already made clear he sees Section 31 as the CIA so we already know where this is going.
You push something most fans are not even begging to see it and then you get it wrong anyway. And NONE of this stuff is complicated, that’s the crazy part. If you want to do a Section 31 movie, then do a Section 31 movie. This doesn’t feel like that on a real tangible level and why no one should be surprised over the negativity over it.
Ya know the really sad thing is what we are describing here is not only true to canon but it is also a much more interesting and sexy idea. When they put their own stamp on it so to say they not only fundamentally changed who S31 is but made them boring. They destroyed every interesting aspect of them in every way.
Amen. Section 31 worked outside of Starfleet. Known only to a few folks in Starfleet. It was not the CIA. Starfleet Intelligence was the FBI and CIA of the Federation.
I am tired of the JJ Abrams family tree of creators and writers. Most of them are complete trash. JJ Abrams helped decimate two franchises. Smh.
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Probably people who don’t think that the cool special effects are enough to make up for the completely nonsensical story.
The story isn’t the point. But there is nothing nonsensical about it. It’s pretty clear. You just have to pay attention.
I saw some people comment on TrekCulture’s video explaining what the unification video means for the future of Star Trek & there were people that were not happy that they did something like that.
Also quite a few comments about the state of Star Trek & how OTOY apparently knows Trek better than the current producers. They fail to realize that Rod Roddenberry’s name is attached not only what OTOY has done (as it’s part of the Roddenberry Archive) but also to all of Secret Hideout’s Star Trek productions.
I was going to comment on this previously but I forgot. What was done in this mini movie is not all that different than the TNG episode Tapistry. IN that ep, Picard was facing death, he saw a vision of his time at the academy and Q. Was this actually Q bringing him back in time to right a wrong and save his heart and live a different life? Maybe, maybe not. We don’t know.
Same here. Kirk is dying. He sees his old friend. How did he get there? Was it just a vision as he was dying and uttering “Oh My”? Was there some sort of intervention? Again, we don’t know.
Thats why when people tell me this is a nonsensical story just because they are focusing too much on the CGI are reminding me that they are completely missing the point.
Wow, I posted the likes/dislikes in the other thread but it was only 2-1 in terms of dislikes vs likes.
Now it’s nearly 5-1 a day later. Yeah, that’s not good.
The bad guys won.
There is nothing else to say. The trailer tells all.
Even looking at the still pictures show how bad this thing looks. I’m not out to hate Kurtzman Trek. I even said Discovery didn’t completely suck in its last season. That wasn’t easy for me at all.
But this just feels and looks wrong. I will stay open minded but nothing about it feels like Star Trek and that’s just not a good start.
Given how much they are emphasizing Fuzz’s wild emotions, I’m guessing that he is V’tosh k’atur rather than Romulan.
How are the space visual effects so, so bad? And have been since Discovery first aired. Ugly, like the rest of this thing’s cinematography and colour grading.
When you’re right, you’re right. I asked the VFX guy on Picard why they were keeping to this path — lack of contrast, low-resolution ships, crazy lens flares and gauzy blue ‘space’ — and he said basically that keeping to the path was the reason. Then again, I think he was the supe on DSC too, so maybe he was offended by the question, whereas I was just offended by the execution.
That mystery object reminds me of the Tox Uthat.
How cliche do you want your dialogue to be? Yes!
A threat unlike anything Starfleet ever faced. So like every season of discovery.
Also: How has this woman won an oscar for acting? She is terrible at it at least when you only know her Star Trek stuff.
Also also: I actually learned english by watching Star Trek. My teacher back then even recommended specifically TNG for this. There used to be so much thought put into how those characters would actually talk 300 years in the future.
How did we get from there to “don’t get dead” and all those counles phrases like “pulling the trigger” or “don’t hang up” that woul’ve never made it into a Berman era script or at least very very rarely.
Yeoh is an excellent actor when given the right material and I was basically introduced to Hong Kong action flicks through her. Because English isn’t her first language I think that comes across as stilted dialogue sometimes. I also absolutely agree with your second assessment that dialogue in the TNG era was a bit more “literary” but I think here the producers want to go back to the days of TOS where dialogue was a bit simpler are more natural. They want to have a bit more “realism” with the dialogue but I don’t think realism and Star Trek should go together in the same sentence. Realism dulls the imagination in my opinion, especially in an epic science-fiction setting like Star Trek or Star Wars.
Maybe they are using AI to “write” these scripts?
That would explain the last 8 years.
Having Michelle Yeoh as your star is a beacon for new viewers, so the film needs to be as “accessible” as possible for them. Remember Cumberbatch as “Khan?” A crap film with international star power that made it the top grosser of the Kelvin films (also with Section 31, by the way). As with any product, you need to pull in younger audiences worldwide to build the fan base. Older fans looking for TOS/TNG/DS9/VOY-type product (“Legacy”) are not enough to justify new Trek product, especially overseas.
The problem is Star Trek still barely has any impact overseas. That’s the reason the Kelvin movies are DOA, it never made any real money overseas to justify its existence. I think Beyond made less than $200 million abroad. That’s peanuts. Marvel movies can make that overseas on opening weekend, at least the good ones do.
And this movie will be mostly watched by people in North America. Paramount+ barely exists in most of the world.
I will never understand the thinking of people who runs NuTrek? They were actually considering making a TV show about Section 31 staring Space Hitler? And then surprised when hardly no one wanted or liked the idea?? I never thought it would get made because it just sounded like an awful idea and thankfully I was right. But they kept entertaining it for four long years. Why? It was a bad idea, just move on.
And Yeoh is normally a good actress but she was terrible in this role.
How much farther can you stray from the values of Star Trek? Who thought that was a good idea to entertain in the first place? This movie looks like a joke but at least it’s something people can quickly forget and move on from if it’s really bad.
I think when the Section 31 show was being developed, the thinking at the time was to make ‘edgier’ Trek content because they wanted to bring in a new audience who was used to watching shows like GOT, TWD, BB (I hope everyone knows these abbreviations lol) and so on. They probably thought younger people responded to more mature content and probably saw old Star Trek as too quaint or safe. The stuff that’s on today, even basic cable is waaay more graphic and with very strong language than even ten years ago. I still watch new Walking Dead shows and now that show drops F bombs left and right. Streaming has just changed the landscape all around I guess and linear TV is trying to keep up.
But that’s exactly why we got Discovery and Picard and the tone they carried. That’s also why they were also developing a Khan show (ugh). The new group running Star Trek really wanted a darker and greyer path Berman era mostly avoided minus DS9. IN other words they were trying to make Star Trek for people who never really watched it before but obviously keep the old fans happy too.
But yes the minute people didn’t really respond to DIS and PIC as they hoped they started changing gears and then we started to get lighter and optimistic fare again like LDS, PRO and of course SNW.
That’s when I knew the Section 31 show probably wasn’t going to happen. They were clearly changing gears and it was obvious SNW had basically replaced S31 on the roster. I knew as far back as 2022 that this show was most likely not happening. I have done PR for a loooong time and I could spot the BS easily. It was very obvious to many of us there was no longer a show happening (they literally let go of the show runners…and never replaced them lol) and Yeoh just went on to do other things. It doesn’t mean one wasn’t going to happen, but the priority was obviously no longer there by Paramount and it was probably a wait and see game and see how the other stuff shook out. Since fans responded to them positively, Section 31 was probably on the chopping block after that. It’s the same thing with what happened with the movies. But if you just keep saying ‘we’re working on it’ year after year and zero movement beyond hiring writers then it’s just smoke and mirrors and nothing more.
But I do think Yeoh kept pushing to do something with the character and once she won the Oscar it made sense to do a project with her even if a show was out of the question by then and hence this movie.
So I get it. Yes, I agree with you, the idea of that character running her own show was always going to be divisive. It’s literally why I thought making a Khan show was a bad idea for a similar reason, but also because we knew his story already. Georgiou had a harder climb because people liked the actress who played her but was very divided on the character itself. Sure if you want to keep her on Discovery, that can work because she’s not the star. But giving someone like that their own show when people were begging for more upstanding characters like Pike, Picard or even Janeway to appear again just felt out of touch with the fanbase they have today. And especially when the ‘new fans’ never truly materialized as hope and the old fans dictated where the franchise was going again just like the 90s basically.
And trust me, if this movie sucks and goes down in flames, that will be the last time we see MU Georigiou; at least in a standalone project.
Tiger2, you always have such a very well thought out response and why I so enjoy talking to you. Never angry or bitter (like me haha) but rational and thoughtful with your posts.
I can’t really debate any of this. You clearly understand the situation more than I do. I just thought it was ridiculous to give a Space Nazi so much air time. I understand they wanted to capitalize on Yeoh’s popularity but the character was never really developed and it just felt like a farce to me that someone like this could ever be the face of Star Trek. I don’t watch Star Trek to watch dictators call the shots. I want to be inspired and uplifted the way people like Kirk, Janeway and Picard inspires people. Can someone with a straight face tell me this character who is responsible for killing millions of people does the same for them? I’m not watching GOT and TWD (and yes I understood the wording haha), I’m watching Star Trek. Those wallow in darkness and cynicism, Star Trek is what I watch to give me hope. Janeway signifies hope. Sisko signifies hope. This creature has probably never understood that word. Why would she, she tried to distinguish it from others her entire life. And now they wanted to build a show around that? Please.
I understand the reasoning why they wanted to give her a show. It is a business and yes TV is very different today, I understand. But luckily that business has a fanbase and it was the old fans like me who pushed back on this idea and who told them this was the wrong way to go and it looks like they ultimately listened thankfully. I don’t feel bad for Yeoh, she’s doing very very well for herself these days haha. And I have enjoyed her other projects and performances including Wicked very recently. She was fantastic in that and not in this one dimensional caricature she keeps playing on Star Trek.
This movie can still be an embarrassment but it will be easy to move on from it quickly; especially since it looks so ridiculously bad. As I said, I would love to be proven wrong but not holding my breath. Always great to talk to you dear! :)
And I always love talking to you as well, even if I’m not as harsh on NuTrek as you lol. You don’t come here a lot or post that much, but when you do, it’s always fun! You’re honest with your opinions but never rude to anyone so it’s fun to really talk to people like you.
And yes, Trek is always evolving but because it is so old and ‘set in its ways’ it’s harder to really change it beyond what it has been the last few decades. I believe every show or movie series has added something different and I’m happy all the shows have their own identity as they should. It’s another reason I love Berman Trek so much because he did try hard to give each show it’s own mythology, ie, new characters, settings, villains, etc. It was all connected but you didn’t need to watch TNG to understand what was happening on DS9 and so on. They were all in their perspective corners doing their own thing. It felt comfortable to watch and even if you didn’t love every show, you were always getting those elements that felt like Star Trek in every single one of them.
With Kurtzman Trek, they weren’t trying to repeat that; at least originally. The shows have their own identity obviously (Discovery especially), but they also try to widen that idea and give us stories and characters that didn’t feel as comfortable in the Roddenberry/Berman era. I’m not against new things at all, but yeah having a show following a Hitler type character just probably went too far for many like yourself even if they liked both Yeoh and Georgiou. As much as I love Dukat, I’m not sure I wanted to follow him on a weekly show either. But probably more so than MU Georgiou.
But yeah as I said, I think they had recognized that long ago fans weren’t onboard as hoped, but wanted to keep their options open if other shows tanked. And when the financial issues hit all the streaming sites and we were going to get less Star Trek and they started cancelling shows like Discovery and Prodigy (boo), that made their decision even easier. But once people were drooling over a Pike show and were excited to have the TNG cast coming back to Picard, etc, it was pretty much over for a Section 31 show IMO. Again, could’ve been COMPLETELY wrong, but the writing on the wall felt pretty obvious no matter how many people were using Yeoh’s other acting jobs as an excuse why it lagged for four years lol.
Because It was always a very divided idea and why make that when you can just do stuff like Picard, LDS and SNW? People don’t just want nostalgia and comfort food, but like you said hope and optimism. And yeah Section 31 and a former tyrant just doesn’t strike that on paper. But like you said, that’s what you watch Trek for. What many watch it for and that’s ultimately the issue. I have no doubt they will try their best to give off that tone, but this will always be the lady who bragged about bombing the Talosians into extinction. People really like the Talosians lol.
We’ll see about the movie itself, but again, the reaction it’s getting even now really does tell you how divided this character and idea has always been. Maybe if the movie just looked better the reception would be more positive. But I still think fans are truly divided over her no matter WHAT they did. Again, people want their comfort food. This makes it very very clear IMO.
Take it easy! :)
And I also watched Wicked twice with my girlfriend. Agreed, she was great in that.
Oh and the Khan show sounded just as bad. More prequels starring another tyrant no one was asking for. He was great in Space Seed and TWOK, but no one can replace Montalban and his story was over back in the 80s. Thankfully that died too although I heard they are making a podcast or something?
Don’t really care.
The way I heard was that they wanted the show to be a kind of “Mission İmpossible in Space” for Star Trek. They can still develop this idea for the future if they want to, but I think having Georgiou as the face of this concept was a mistake.
Yeah it sounds like the original premise never changed and IIRC someone said they basically took the first episode of the show and just expanded it for the movie. So this was always the blueprint if true.
But I agree, I still think it would’ve been a risk to have Georgiou as the face of the show. She just comes off too divisive and especially when you have so many more popular characters that could lead a show like this like Bashier as people always suggest. Or yeah, just someone new but another popular actor.
And of course this was only due to Yeoh’s popularity, but I don’t think that would’ve been a guarantee it would’ve been a hit. She had two streaming shows very recently and they both got cancelled after just one season. One was on Disney+ and another on Netflix.
And obviously Paramount had the same concerns or they would’ve made the show long ago.
Yeah a TV show was a ridiculous idea from the start but this is the brain trust who runs Star Trek today. Thankfully they came to their senses and it didn’t happen.
Of course they still made this movie…
Believe it or not I actually supported the show at one point as I did the movie. So clearly I’m not out to hate MU Georgiou or Section 31, but like everything in stories, it really comes down to execution. Once they didn’t make the character more likable or at least interesting in the second season and basically destroyed what made Section 31 an interesting concept in itself is when I turned on the idea as well. If anything, season 2 of Discovery just told me why they SHOULDN’T make a Section 31 show.
But yeah, many people hated it from the start and were very vocal about it for a long time. It was always going to be harder to persuade people this was ‘Star Trek’ enough to make an entire show with. But like everything in life, it’s not always that black and white. I was at least willing to see how they handle it since (at the time) I assumed it was coming whether people liked it or not. But I guess the hatred of the idea never went away and something like SNW was 100 times better of an idea; especially now seeing what we could’ve gotten if they went ahead with the show.
That big hovering thing over the planet looks like the Charon or whatever the name was (the planet killer MU ship from season 2).
Also, does anyone remember the episode from Rick and Morty when Morty tried to pitch a heist movie to Netflix? I’m getting the same vibe here. Two thumbs up from me if Georgiou at some point says “you son of a bitch, I’m in”.
I hate to say this, but this looks like it would be a chore to watch. I have watched everything Star Trek up to now….I don’t even care to read when this comes out.
I saw Needrotics review of the trailer. Very harsh analysis. Maybe some won’t like it but to be so ugly about it has to be tough on the actors. And who knows maybe it will be quite good!
Being ugly about most productions is Nerdrotic’s MO, especially for franchises that he used to like.
Yeah I agree with him this movie looks awful but listening to abti-woke mouth breathers like Nerdrottic kills brain cells.
He’s honest and tells it like it is. Doesn’t hide behind words.
Random ‘out there/big swing’ take, the device Georgiou looking at is the ‘doohicky’ timeline device from Orci’s ST3 script, sends them to prime timeline movie era (young Rachel Garrett), and the black hole/lightening storm in space – going into kelvinverse?
LOL man, you are always looking for some kind of connection to the movies.
And I hate to burst your bubble, but Georgiou is already living in the same time period as Rachel Garret, so no time travel. And the trailer seems to imply they already know each other.
But that seems to be where Carl/GOF sent her when she left Discovery. This sounds like it’s going to be a basic side quest story and some flashbacks of her in the MU when she first became Emperor.
I think the most Kelvinverse we will get outside of another movie was in the Unification short.
Oh right, well I guess there’s something going on with that device and the black hole thing, there might be some surprises for us old trekkies, we’ll see..
Funny enough, many of us always wanted to see Section 31 (and this movie) deal with the multiverse and LDS out of all shows just made that idea canon in a huge way. ;)
So yeah who knows? I would be happy just to see Bashir show up lol.
If they really understood the original concept and vision of Section 31 introduced in DS9, this would be a completely different movie. The fact that one of the stars referred to it as “Guardians of the Galaxy” on Steroids was a red flag for me.
Paramount needs to reconsider Alex Kurtzman as the steward of Star Trek. The only thing that his regime has done that I like is SNW. Did you see that panel he did with Tawney Newsome? I hope that comedy show never gets made.
The Director of the movie described Section 31 as the “CIA” of Starfleet. Why do they keep hiring people who never cared about Star Trek. Who never watched it or understand it. Discovery would have been a different show had Bryan Fuller stayed on. Then they brought in Michelle Paradise. And you see how that ended. Discovery was Greys anatomy in space. It was super annoying. Tilly and Burnham spent more time hugging and crying than anything else.
This movie should feature Ash Tyler and it should be compelling. Show what Section 31 was doing during various historical events in Starfleet.
How were they involved with the Genesis device? Was Admiral Cartwright an operative? Was a member of Kirks original crew part of the organization? Did they try to recruit James Kirk? What did they do about the Borg Threat? The list of possibilities is endless.
Hollywood lies to themselves to justify their debt. Star Trek needs to learn from what is currently happening to Star Wars.
Star Trek is not Marvel and its not Star Wars. It never has been. You had some really talented people in the 90s who helped shape most of its lore. Did they make some bad choices? Sure, but I would take their bad choices any day over this current trash we are getting. Why not bring those folks back?
Terry Matalas was our last hope. He was a fan. Michelle Paradise was not a fan. This Section 31 movie will be the first and last installment.
I like you THESISKO!
Seriously, it’s like you peered into my soul and nearly wrote everything I been thinking for years now lol. Agreed.
And I thought Michelle Paradise was an awful show runner and Kurtzman is completely wrong to be running Star Trek, but I know they tried. But NuTrek will probably never be at the level Berman Trek was and I do like a lot of the shows, mostly the animated ones.
But then we get trash like this Section 31 movie and I get depressed again.
“The Director of the movie described Section 31 as the “CIA” of Starfleet.”
I think you’re focusing too much on the “autonomy” part of Section 31 here and not nearly enough on the *waves his arms in the direction of the entire history of the CIA* part of this. The comparison isn’t exact, but it’s not without merit, especially if you take a negative view of the CIA (and if you don’t…what are you doing watching Star Trek, amirite?)
I just can’t seem to muster the interest in this. I’m no die hard “This isn’t my Trek!” fanatic and I’m usually willing (and have) to give it all a try, but it’s just not grabbing me. The flash and razzle dazzle reminds me of 70’s vintage Buck Rogers.
Looks awesome
Faeces in televisual form.
Time will tell, but I’m certainly feeling that will be the case.
I’m looking forward to checking it out. If it does well, hopefully we’ll see more streaming films. I don’t necessarily need more Section 31 stories, but it makes sense that that’s what they went with to test out the streaming film model. The only thing I’m truly dreading is this fandom’s asinine overreaction.
I’m pretty negative on this movie so far, but yes the sad reality is this is not just the first movie we’ve had in the last 8 years, but probably the only one we will get in the next few years as well, so I DO hope it’s successful in every meaning of the word.
I just want more movies. No, scratch that, I want A movie again. Kelvin movies are DOA because they obviously didn’t make the money Paramount wanted and all the previous ones were probably too expensive to make. And when you’re promising Chris Pine a ridiculous $10 million or whatever even after the last one bombed and the man himself is box office poison these days, it’s not a shock to anyone why they are dead in the water and moving to something else and definitely cheaper.
Supposedly there is that Starfleet prequel movie that is the next thing Paramount said in their own statement was supposed to start shooting at the end of this year. Well, they have twenty days left so there is still time I guess. Moral of the story, stop announcing movies and starting/opening dates Paramount, no one believes you anymore. Sigh
So the future probably are streaming movies for now since we seen what a disaster making another theatrical movie has been.
So I am crossing my fingers this ultimately gets people excited. Because if this fails, I hate to think when another movie happens on any level.
Wait bro, what genius is paying Chris Pine $10 million to be in another Star Trek movie?? 🤣🤣🤣
Like ,seriously?? Well now we know why they can’t make another one. This isn’t Marvel. The next movie, whatever it is, will be lucky to cross $300 million.
And box office poison is correct. His magnum opus, The Poolman, that he wrote and directed costed a modest $10 million. Do you know how much it made though? $130,000. No, I’m not missing a zero, that’s literally how much it made and yes worldwide. 😅
Here is a fun fact to show how ridiculous that would be today. Remember when Pine and Thor backed out of the last movie back in 2018 because they wanted more money? I guess because of Wonder Woman he was now a bigger star.
Now ask yourself when was the last time had a hit movie? You guessed it, it was indeed Wonder Wiman back in 2017 lol. He’s been in more movies since including the sequel to Wonder Woman and a few bigger movies.. all flopped.
I actually think Pine is a decent actor but this guy is a C list star at best in terms of box office.
It’s crazy they would still give him half that today to be in another Trek movie that will probably bomb anyway.
Sorry for the tangent, I just thought that was hilarious. This is why we are getting cheap streaming movies instead. JJ verse priced itself out the market.
Oops my mistake. I actually DIDN’T count the international B.O. for Poolman after all. That was just the domestic total.
With international B.O., it’s actually $162,000. It made $32,000 overseas.🤣
But no one can accuse me of not bring fair or accurate.
Hell or High Water has been his best, imo. One of my favorite films of the last decade. Admittedly, there was a fantastic cast around him…
Is Poolman any good? It’s on my watch list.
Lol I believed you but I had to look at the BO for The Poolman myself and yep that’s low. I knew it didn’t do well but I assumed a few million at least.
Not too surprised though. I actually watched some of it on Hulu a few weeks ago and yeah not good. I shut it off halfway. It just meandered too long and the dialogue was horrible. Thr story felt too bare and predictable. And Pines character was just too ridiculous to take seriously. But I might try and finish it at some point.
As far as the $10 million salary to be fair I think it was just a rumor and I think it was actually a bit more. I just remember seeing it somewhere. And this was back when the director Matt Shakman was making that movie before he bounced to Marvel for Fantastic Four…which btw I read finish shooting a few weeks ago and we still don’t have ONE movie in production since he left over 2 years ago. 🙄
But I highly doubt anyone would get paid that for the next Trek movie today.
And maybe that was the money he was supposedt o be paid in 2018? And not getting on Pines case, just pointing out why the movies could still be stalled with too big of a budget.
So that’s why it’s nice we have a streaming movie. Yeah my expectations are low but if it does well enough we probably will get more. A Legacy movie for example would be something to get excited about and about $100 million cheaper than any theatrical movie lol.
Most fans probably prefer that anyway. But it only has a chance to even happen if this one does well enough.
So unlike most of the commenters here … I am optimistic and looking forward to this. Lots of negativity … “this isn’t Star Trek” or “boo Space Adolf” or “too flashy” … from a lot of folks who just wish Star Trek looked like it did in the 1990s. Newsflash … in 1987 many vocal diehard TOS fans panned TNG. DS9 was very crapped upon by “fans” for the same reasons early in its initial run.
Give it a chance. It might be awful, it might be really good. I am optimistic because I initially loathed idea of Lower Decks as Family Guy for Star Trek. It’s now one of my favorite Trek shows of the modern era.
I have historically not been a fan of Disco, but I circled back recently and tried to give it an honest shake. I don’t love it, but it’s not as terrible as I have been on record here as saying it was. Also, I think there was an arc for Phillipa in S2, and she is no longer Space Hitler. I do not think she ever really was, but rather a product of the environment. Nature vs Nurture. Once she came to be nurtured by Burnham, you saw a change in her. She’s not perfect, but I don’t think she’s pure evil – and – I’ve come to think that anyone still clinging to the idea of calling her Space Hitler didn’t watch the show / or with an open mind to try and see what they wanted to do (not saying the entirely pulled it off…)
What is the tipping point where negativity drives people away from this site
That was probably the day after Star Trek Into Darkness came out lol.
Brutal but fun to read.
I khan’t believe it!
Ha! I can’t believe I went to the theater Twice to see that. I also bought the dvd out of allegiance to the franchise (a practice I no longer follow), which I’ll never watch. Truly a disgrace of a film, for me, a ‘jump the shark’ moment for Trek.
Lol I remember going to watch it opening day not knowing Khan was in it and I purposely stayed away from spoilers before the movie opened.
And as much as I put down JJ verse and hated the first movie I was genuinely excited to see it because I thought they will work out the kinks a bit and the trailers did look awesome. And it’s no way the white guy with the refined British accent was supposed to be Khan. What are these Trekkies smoking?
Halfway through the movie I couldn’t believe we waited four years for this schlock.By the time the BIG reveal came total silence in the theater lol. Felt like half the room had no idea who that was and the other half was too busy eye rolling like I was.
Why???????
Hated that movie so much. And I remember a week later coming here and watching the lions and the Tigers go at it lol. People who loved it was defending it as best they could but the haters overpowered the conversation most of the time. There was so much fighting and people arguing it felt like an online brawel. I even signed up and yelled at people for a few weeks before I tapped out. This place was insane that entire summer.
And I only seen it twice to this day, once in the theater and a year later on HBO or something. Still hated it and never again.
I saw Into Darkness with a friend who now follows this rule when choosing something to watch:
“Never Star Trek”
In other words, they thought it sucks so much they’re never delving into Trek again, which is a shame.
*Watches trailer*
This new Star Wars/Guardians of the galaxy cross over movie has a Section 31 just like Star Trek
Wait – an MPAA rating? Does that mean this is getting some sort of theatrical release, if only a limited one? Streaming-only productions don’t typically have those, do they?
The more I think about somebody from cheron being in this, the more I think there was an opportunity for genuine whimsy. Say you saw him riding — not a horse but a zebra …