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Science Saturday: $1/2 Mil Starship Design + Curiousity Ready + Transparent Plane + Deep Space DIY June 18, 2011

by Kayla Iacovino , Filed under: Science/Technology , trackback

This week in a very spacey edition of Science Saturday, wave bon voyage to Mars rover Curiosity, win $500k for sending humans to another star, tour the universe and help scientists discover new objects in our galaxy, and see Star Trek on This Week @ NASA. All this and more plus our gadget of the week: Futuristic transparent airplane!

 

Pentagon Awarding $500k for Best Plan for Man-rated Interstellar Travel
The U.S. Defense Department is holding a contest to design a program that will get a human to another star, and they are awarding half a million dollars to the winning idea. 150 competitors have already begun the challenge, and officials say that some “big names” are among those interested. Competitors must come up with an idea that would send a human to another star in about a century. The fastest rocket today would take 4,000 years to get to Proxima Centauri, the Sun’s nearest stellar neighbor. “This is not just about thinking new rocket methods,” said David Neyland, director of DARPA’s tactical technology office to AP. “It is also about coping with extended life in space, raising issues of medicine, agriculture, ethics and self-reliance.”


Faster then light travel: Possible within 100 years?

Mars Rover Packed and Shipped, Ready for Launch
Last Thursday, June 16th, was the last chance to get a glimpse of Mars rover Curiosity on Earth. That’s because bunny-suited JPL scientists packed and loaded the largest lander ever bound for the Red Planet and shipped her of to Kennedy Space Center where she will launch from this November. Check out this time-lapse video of Curiosity being wrapped in Amerstat and Kapton tape, ready for shipment.

Two Cool Interactive Universe Tools: Nova’s Solar System Tour & Zooniverse’s Milky Way Project
Here’s just two more ways you can explore and interact with our universe. First, check out a great 3-dimensional map of our solar system, put together by PBS’s NOVA program, that let’s you zoom around the planets and moons of sector 001.


NOVA’s 3D interactive Solar System tool

Scientists studying our universe need your help in identifying interesting objects in deep space. Zooniverse is working with scientists using data from the Spitzer Space Telescope to croud source the immense number of images coming back to Earth. Navigate the galaxy and identify bubbles, knots, star clusters, and other objects hidden throughout these images such as young stars, supernova remnants and never-before-seen galaxies.

Take part at The Milky Way Project.



The Milky Way Project – Getting Started from The Zooniverse on Vimeo.

Star Trek: The Exhibition on This Week @ NASA
This Week @ NASA (or TW@N), is a weekly video podcast developed by NASA featuring all of the weekly news going on at various NASA facilities. This week’s edition includes the opening of Star Trek: The Exhibition at the Kennedy Space Center’s Visitor Complex. Check out the video below (and jump to 10:24 for Star Trek).


Jump to 10:24 for Star Trek: The Exhibition

Gadget of the Week: Transparent Airplane of the Future
If Airbus truly creates it’s “airplane of the future” by 2050, as they claim, air travel will cease to be a stressful burden and become an incredible adventure. Every aspect of the craft is designed to be tailored to the passenger, including mood lighting, biomorphing seats capable of massage and acupuncture, and even a transparent fuselage. Yes, no longer will you be trapped in a dark tube, but you’ll be a part of the panorama in which you are flying. How incredible would that be? Of course, they may need to take a page from Scotty’s book and invent transparent aluminum to make this a reality.

Science Bytes
Not enough science for you? Here’s a warp-speed look at some more science tid-bits that are worth a peek.

 


Comments

1. trekboi88 - June 18, 2011

A see-through plane? I guess it would put an even bigger challenge for those joining the mile-high club!

2. trekker 5 - June 18, 2011

Wow,a star in a century. I think I’ll wait for somebody else to try that frist;and then maybe when we have warp drive I’ll give it a go! :)

3. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - June 18, 2011

Hmmm. Here is my idea. Use Matter and Antimater and use them to help. Get a Converter assembly to use the Dilithiem crystel to help power the Mater and Antimater stream. Ok. Maybe better get Scotty to build this. Or maybe someone named Cochern and Archer.

4. CoolPT - June 18, 2011

Wonder Woman will be pissed you stole the plans to her plane!!

5. Mystical.Digital - June 18, 2011

A transparent plane will really help people with that whole fear of flying thing, I’m sure of it.

6. Terence T - June 18, 2011

I’d have to wear sunglasses inside of that plane because it would be too bright for me with that sun. It looks neat though.

7. Vultan - June 18, 2011

#6

Ever heard of transition lenses? Just make the fuselage out of that stuff.

8. Thorny - June 18, 2011

That Airbus concept plane has almost nothing to do with the real world. It’s high-grade Public Relations baloney. Airlines will want nothing to do with it. What the airlines want is a way to squeeze another row of seats into their planes or make their planes 10% more fuel efficient, not fancy transparent ceilings that add extra weight and do nothing useful (show passengers the plain blue sky in day time, you won’t see stars at night because the dude next to you will have his reading lamp on, spolling your night vision… both assume its not cloudy on your flight.

By 2050 the need to cut useless weight and squeeze more seats into airliners will be even greater than it is now, and airliners are cattle cars now with most amenities that we had just ten years ago now gone.

9. Red Dead Ryan - June 18, 2011

8.

By 2050, your arguement will be moot seeing as how the average human will weigh about 500 pounds and stuck to their couches, let alone be able to fit in an airline seat.

10. dmduncan - June 18, 2011

I foresee many flights making U turns to disgorge screaming passengers to waiting TSA goons, who by then will be allowed to also feel you up getting OFF the plane.

11. Basement Blogger - June 18, 2011

Mars Curiosity is to study whether Mars has ever supported microbial life or whether it still can. Fascinating. She’ll probably find the answer before the next Star Trek hits the screens. I keeed. I keeed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curiosity_rover

12. Basement Blogger - June 18, 2011

Ahem, I don’t mean to get all conspiracy on you all, but why is the Defense Department sponsoring a competition to determine the best way to travel to another star? Yeah I get different governmental agencies have diffferent amounts of money to spend but isn’t this something that NASA should be looking at? Why would the military want to travel to another star? Make first contact with aliens and do what?

13. Keachick (rose pinenut) - June 18, 2011

#12 That is the bit that had me wondering as well. Turn space into a place of warmongering and create more trash sites littered with debris and remains resulting from conflict. Ick.

14. dmduncan - June 18, 2011

12. Basement Blogger – June 18, 2011

Ahem, I don’t mean to get all conspiracy on you all, but why is the Defense Department sponsoring a competition to determine the best way to travel to another star?

… Why would the military want to travel to another star? Make first contact with aliens and do what?

***

The best defense is a good offense.

15. Vultan - June 18, 2011

Well, I’ve yet to hear any declarations of war on neigboring star systems, so I’m going to assume the Defense Department is wanting to push technological innovation… again.

I’m not saying government research is always on the up and up, but DARPA (originally ARPA) did create the foundation for what would later become—the internet.

16. Vultan - June 18, 2011

Reminds me of that famous Orson Welles speech from “The Third Man.”

“Don’t be so gloomy. After all it’s not that awful. Like the fella says, in Italy for 30 years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland they had brotherly love – they had 500 years of democracy and peace, and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. So long Holly.”

Cuckoo clocks are actually a product of the Black Forest region of Germany, but let’s not split hairs. ;)

17. Markonian - June 19, 2011

Why do we keep saying “Man” instead of “Human” – that’s highly sexist!

18. somethoughts - June 19, 2011

I will only show the dept of defense my idea for 10billion euro, not a penny less.

19. somethoughts - June 19, 2011

#12

They stole our gold and coffee beans, we must go to their world to get it back. Well here is the deal earth is messed by humans and aliens are coming to wipe us so we need to get to new earth discovered to repopulate.

20. somethoughts - June 19, 2011

#14

Quote from Thor, a wise leader never seeks out war.

Humans are forbidden to travel outside out our solar system, still too young and destructive, we kill ourselves over petty material gain. No soup for you.

21. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - June 19, 2011

I’m all for interplanetary travel, but putting out the call for ideas is premature. It’s more important to properly colonize this solar system first, and develop some advanced technologies, based on discoveries that we have yet to make.

22. Terran_Guy93 - June 19, 2011

@12

Because NASA doesn’t have the money to do that and is being hacked to death by the government.

They get less than 1/2 % of the US Yearly budget.

They have contracts that are laying off thousands.

23. Thorny - June 19, 2011

12… DoD just wants big ideas that can be applied to a variety of systems, they don’t actually expect to build a starship.

17… No one has come up with a good alternative to ‘manned’ and ‘unmanned’. ‘Crewed’ sounds awful. ‘Staffed’ sounds like a real estate office.

24. DJ - June 19, 2011

Transparent plane? Wonder Woman!

25. Leatherman - June 19, 2011

We won’t need any of this by 2050. If you read the book “2050: A Future History, Volume I: Gods of Little Earth” by J. Zornado, you’ll see why. I loved the book.

26. dmduncan - June 19, 2011

Because before they destroy the planet, the DoD needs a new world to go to. It’s a variation of the know-where-all-the-exits-are rule.

27. Keachick (rose pinenut) - June 19, 2011

My understanding is that the term “man” is actually a Scandinavian word which means “one”, “all”, which has made its way into the English language, probably by way of the Vikings. However, lately, it seems to have to come to mean/represent one part of humanity, the male, masculine half and apparently ignoring, negating the female side. The original word “man” was neutral and could apply to either or both.

28. Phil - June 19, 2011

@12. DofD has decided that we need to take back all those humans abducted by the aliens….

29. somethoughts - June 19, 2011

#28

Too late they were eaten by the mothman dracos.

The price for technology was too high.

30. Rola - June 19, 2011

#12

You make a valid point. It’s not about getting humans to a star, it’s about fast interstellar (and thus intrasolar system) travel that would give the US a military advantage and dominant presence in space.

Realistically speaking, it would be far more cost effective and safer to develop an unmanned probe that could reach our nearest star neighbor in a century.

31. G - June 19, 2011

Because.. maybe the Pentagon found a signal from another planet and isn’t telling anyone?? Hmmmmmmm. Very interesting.

32. somethoughts - June 19, 2011

#30

Wouldn’t it be better to have the entire world contribute to space travel not just the US Military or DOD? I just don’t like the idea of just the US in space, all the worlds powerful nation should come together for this kind of project.

The UN should have a space agency, not just one country to represent Mankind.

With all the wars and politics, I wonder how humans ever left our solar system in Star Trek.

33. Phil - June 19, 2011

@32. Yeah, right, the world dosen’t shoulder their portion of their national defense, what makes you think they are going to pony up the bucks to have a presence in space?

The UN space agency? Well, if we plan to export corruption to the stars I can’t think of a better agency to lead the way.

34. somethoughts - June 19, 2011

#33

That’s a pretty bold statement considering the national debt is what trillions?
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

If anything other nations can lend a helping hand.

Remove the ego and understand Earth is not represented by one nation.

35. somethoughts - June 19, 2011

Until Earth’s science can find better and faster ways to travel in space, enjoy the special space school buses and be a joke to the milky way.

36. HARRISON!!! - June 20, 2011

Beware the Alien, the Mutant, the Heretic…

LONG LIVE THE TERRAN EMPIRE!

37. HARRISON!!! - June 20, 2011

In all seriousness, though; it’s good to see NOVA finally creating some original content of their own, rather than just re-recording the narration on old episodes of Horizon & Equinox (from the BBC & Channel 4 networks in Britain, respectively)…

;-P

38. Vultan - June 20, 2011

#32

Yeah, we can always count on the United Nations to lead the way!
To boldy go where no indecisive bureaucrat has gone before.

Keep dreaming, buddy.

39. Holger - June 20, 2011

Is Wonder Woman piloting the see-through plane?

40. Captain Dunsel - June 20, 2011

“…biomorphing seats capable of massage and acupuncture,”

ACUPIUNCTURE?

I feel a great disturbance in the force, as if a legion of hack SciFi… ahem… excuse me… SyFy screenwriters just typed the words “First Draft” simultaneously.

41. dmduncan - June 20, 2011

There is a bill that everybody who runs a website should be aware of (you too AP) which criminalizes embedding YouTube videos. You could get 5 years in prison for “copyright infringement” under the PROTECT IP ACT.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110616/16480114722/senators-unconcerned-about-massive-unintended-consequences-criminalizing-people-embedding-youtube-videos.shtml

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20110526/08131414441/18-senators-who-approve-breaking-internet-to-protect-hollywood.shtml

42. somethoughts - June 20, 2011

#38

That’s the spirit, good to know Star Trek inspires you.

43. Vultan - June 20, 2011

#42

Star Trek inspires. The UN does not.
Remember Zefram Cochrane? I don’t recall Trek depicting any sort of world government supporting his endeavour into space (aside from those friendly time-travelers).

Hmmm… a lone wolf that ends up bringing the pack together… then future pack must go back in time to save the lone wolf from a competing pack…

So I guess they’re trying to tell us individualism is the key to the future.
Hey, you’re right. Star Trek does inspire!

44. somethoughts - June 20, 2011

#43

The UN will most likely become the core of Earth’s space mission, similar to the United Federation of Planets.

Star Trek Earth does have a president if I recall from the Undiscovered Country.

45. V'ger - June 20, 2011

Excuse me, but in classic SciFi the closest star is Alpha Centauri ( as in, “Next year, Alpha Centauri!”). I’m sure it was in something I read during the last 1/2 century.

46. Phil - June 20, 2011

@44. Oh, gee, that’s funny. The UN can’t deliver humanitarian aid here without the Blue Helmets stealing 1/3 of it. If corruption is an export, then the UN will be more then qualified to bring it to the stars…..

Oh, and the UN gets about 25% of it’s funding from the US. I’d have no problem with that money being redirected to NASA.

47. somethoughts - June 20, 2011

oddly similar no?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/52/Emblem_of_the_United_Nations.svg

http://tng.skorpan.dk/pix/logos/ufp.png

48. somethoughts - June 20, 2011

#46

You really think corruption is only exists at the UN? The last time I checked every organization and country has had some form of corruption or another from assassinations, water gates, illegal wars, tweeting wieners to bailouts to black op deals to with aliens, a deficit that keeps growing.

Corruption is not isolated to the UN, it is a human condition based on greed and self serving material gaining systems.

I much prefer the UN over any form of unilateralism nation.

49. somethoughts - June 20, 2011

The other point that supports global partnership in space travel is of course cost.

I’m not sure how Americans feel about each owing $50k at the moment, with regular space flight and exploration, that deficit could grow to $200k a person. What’s a trillion :) heck make it a zillion.

Space exploration is such a huge undertaking that many nations must be willing to pool up and participate, if not the USA would be crippled with more financial burden.

50. Vultan - June 20, 2011

Why does it have to be “nations” leading the way? From the look of things, it’s private enterprise (no pun intended) that’s trying to put the average folks without astronaut wings into space, not governments.

Sure, we can put the UN in charge of space exploration, but I’d rather not wait a thousand years for it to happen.

How about a global partnership between multi-billion-dollar corporations? Okay, okay, we may have to put up with big Virgin Galactic, AT&T and Pepsi logos on the spaceship, but at least we would be going somewhere… perhaps to open the first Starbucks on Mars. ;)

51. dmduncan - June 20, 2011

Why is it better to be united under a corrupt flag than separate under a less corrupt flag? Why is unity at any cost better than national sovereignty?

If you have a bowl with a partition in the middle and you have nice delicious hot soup on one side, and a heaping pile of cyanide powder on the other, and then you remove the divider…then you’ve got poison in the whole bowl.

That’s what national sovereignty means. So long as all there is a danger of the good being wiped out by merging with the bad, then borders are and will be necessary for a healthier world.

52. somethoughts - June 20, 2011

#50

Seem like a good solution, I would love to go to the Moon or Mars to gamble and check out the view of Earth without all the political red tape.

53. somethoughts - June 20, 2011

#51

It’s fine to have borders, but it’s also smart to pool up for projects to reduce the the costs, but like #50 Vultan said, partnerships between corporations maybe the best choice. USS Enterprise Mcdonalds 1701A, now serving 1 Billion Planets

54. Thorny - June 20, 2011

World civil space budgets (2010):

United States: $18.724 billion
European Space Agency: $5.330 billion (at current exchange rate)
Russia: $3.8 billion (2011, up from $2.9 billion in 2009)
Japan: $2.46 billion
Canada: $431 million

China does not have a civil space program. Theirs is entirely run by the military.

A world space agency is a pipedream. If we implemented it today, it would still be funded roughly 50% by the United States. Until that changes, the United States correctly has determined that it will be in charge of its space efforts.

55. somethoughts - June 20, 2011

#54

If you factor in deficit, the other countries could more afford space efforts.

Anyone country can rack up trillions of debt and pump in billions into space budget, it’s just that other countries are more prudent and wise with their money.

If you spend more than you earn, that doesn’t mean leadership or be in charge of space efforts.

56. Phil - June 20, 2011

@55. Not sure why you have the deficit burr under your saddle, but I’ll humor you for the moment.

Name a country, other then the US, Russia, and China who have the ability to put a man in space in the next ten years? If national debt is a criteria for limiting space activity, the most of Europe, Russia, Japan are mired in debt much worse the we are, and will not exploring space. China’s economy is a massive bubble that’s about to burst, which will rule them out. Besides, China’s program is a military program – they have no plans to share. There are not any other countries, or group of countries out there willing or able to make up the difference.

57. somethoughts - June 20, 2011

#56

China will be one of the leaders and no their economy will not burst as they have loyal USA customers and corporations such as big blue who love off shoring their work to China and India because of the low wages and economy of scale, ie. profit for wall street and meeting numbers.

UK, India, and European Space Agency could easily have the ability to put a man in space in the next ten years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_space_agencies

I’m not sure where you get your numbers but USA is number in debt, ahead of Europe, Russia and Japan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt

58. Vultan - June 20, 2011

Going back to the root argument here, NASA has been working with the Russian, European, and Japanese space agencies for a long time now. So, the framework for a “United Earth” space endeavour is already there… somewhat; China is something of a wild card. Anyway, what it will take to get back [and beyond] the Moon is—FUNDING and technology. “No bucks, no Buck Rogers.”

Therefore, if we could couple the tremendous monetary assets of private corporations—perhaps with a kind of space/exploration stock market—and individual fundraising efforts (bake sales and lemonaide stands included) with NASA and DARPA and etc. tech research, we may just be able to blast through the governmental red tape and get to that next star! Who’s with me?!!! Or better yet, who’s with Burt Rutan and Richard Branson?!!!

59. somethoughts - June 20, 2011

#54

Initially the space program of the PRC was organized under the People’s Liberation Army, particularly the Second Artillery Corps. In the 1990s, however, the PRC reorganized the space program as part of a general reorganization of the defense industry to make it resemble Western defense procurement.

The China National Space Administration, an agency within the Commission of Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense currently headed by Sun Laiyan, is now responsible for launches. The Long March rocket which is produced by the China Academy of Launch Vehicle Technology, and satellites are produced by the China Aerospace Science and Technology Corporation. The latter organizations are state-owned enterprises; however, it is the intent of the PRC government that they not actively be state managed and that they behave much as private companies would in the West.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_National_Space_Administration

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_space_program

60. somethoughts - June 20, 2011

#58

I’m with you!

I also think that if they held a space Olympics every few years, there would be a influx of healthy competition and innovation.

61. Phil - June 20, 2011

@57. Plenty of signs that China’s economy is gonna blow. Ignore at your own peril.

National debt as a criteria of space exploration is a straw man arguement. You can’t name any country that can step in and fill the US role, because there isn’t one. They don’t have the resources, or leadership to do the job. It is what it is.

62. somethoughts - June 20, 2011

#61

I wasn’t citing a replacement nation as the leader for space exploration but rather a joint venture(s) between other countries and like Vultan said between corporations.

China’s GDP to debt ratio is about 7%, that’s one of the healthiest numbers in all the world with space capabilities.

USA is one of the top nations in the world if not the top, but if USA keeps off shoring work and spending more than they earn, they are in for another crisis. Instead of paying interest on top of interest, that money could go towards R&D for NASA and other branches that can benefit USA and the world. Bottom line is USA needs better accountants.

63. somethoughts - June 20, 2011

Maybe I’m too much of a dreamer when I want the first official first contact with intelligent life form to come in contact with humans from all nations, a star ship that has a officer from each nation.

The last thing I want is first contact with a secret govt organization that refuses to publicly acknowledge first contact in hopes of striking it rich with technology to destroy thy neighbor. This national security bs has to be dropped, the people elect the govt and the govt works for the people, not the other way around.

Maybe I just watch too much Star Trek :)

64. Vultan - June 20, 2011

#62

“USA needs better accountants.”

Now I’ll agree with that. The government could at least devote its resources to something noteworthy—like space travel. Not some extensive study of a shrimp on a treadmill or an overblown, overbudgeted boondoggle (yeah, I’m looking at you shuttle program).

65. Vultan - June 20, 2011

#63

I see where you’re coming from, and I agree. I’m just not sure the UN or any sort of world government is the way to go about it. I mean, we still haven’t decided whether or not to stop killing each other over petty differences… yet. Maybe some day…

It seems to me (in the here and now) a multi-national crew of scientists with a McDonalds on board their ship would work better. Maybe the aliens will have a diet soda that tastes great, burns fat, and cleans teeth at the same time. ;)

66. somethoughts - June 20, 2011

#65

LoL

67. Phil - June 20, 2011

First contact will be through radio or television signals. I Love Lucy is our ambassador to the stars….

68. Vultan - June 20, 2011

And she’ll have some ‘splainin’ to dooo! ;D

69. somethoughts - June 20, 2011

Rofl

70. Basement Blogger - June 21, 2011

If one of the military’s jobs is to protect us from physical threats, would that include global climate change? I just read a story where scientists are very concerned about mass extinction. Link. Is this a hint from the DoD that the planet has gone over the tipping point and human life will not be sustainable in the future?

So would the goal be to find another planet to escape to and transfer humanity there? If true, then it’s life imitating art. It’s the plot to the 1998 movie “Lost in Space.” Remember the Robinson family was going to look for a planet to colonize since Earth was overpolluted.

Okay, if life has to imitate science ficiton movies, is it possible that it could imitate the best one? 2001: A Spacy Odyssey. Let’s hope that one of our astronauts is evolved by an advanced alien race. He becomes a Star Child and comes back to solve our problems….. or maybe he comes back to rule us. Oops, that last one might be a bummer.

1. Mass extinction in the oceans?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/20/ipso-2011-ocean-report-mass-extinction_n_880656.html

2. Pentagon studies climate change as possible threat to the United States
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=121352495

71. Jai - June 21, 2011

You guys should check out the “Crabwood crop circle” message. (Google it). The circle image itself was astonishingly complex, and the message embedded within it was independently decoded by a number of different people, all of whom came to the same conclusion about the translation. If it’s authentically extraterrestrial in origin, it has some quite startling things to say.

Possibly more apocryphally, apparently the late head of Lockheed Skunkworks insisted shortly before his death that humans already secretly have interstellar spaceflight capability. Google that too for more details.

(I’d provide the website links myself, but for some weird reason this blog’s automated filter has recently been temperamental towards my comments).

72. Phil - June 21, 2011

@70. In a word, no. The climate has been changing since the dawn of time, All DoD is looking for here is a proof of concept vehicle, to test technologies that will go into production someday much closer to home.

73. Captain Hackett - June 21, 2011

- No. 32

“The UN should have a space agency, not just one country to represent Mankind.”

I totally oppose it because the UN is no longer a relevant organization IMHO. I prefer a separate space-faring international organization where the UN has no role and voice at all.

74. somethoughts - June 21, 2011

Bob, there’s a theme/allegory for you.

Aliens make a deal with starfleet in secret for the exchange of technology, but at what cost? Human experimentation and genetic tampering, how secrets, fear and lies can undo mankind.

75. somethoughts - June 21, 2011

#71

fascinating!

A Crop glyph formation at Crabwood with an Alien face holding CD with ASCI code message reads:
“Beware the bearers of FALSE gifts & their BROKEN PROMISES.
Much PAIN but still time.
EELrijue.
There is GOOD out there.
We OPpose DECEPTION.
COnduit CLOSING [bell sound]”

76. somethoughts - June 21, 2011

#71

If this is true;
http://xenophilius.wordpress.com/2010/09/14/ben-rich-lockheed-ceo-admits-on-deathbed-et-ufo-are-real/

The DoD is just exercising a fake contest for advanced space flight when in fact they already have it. 2012 approaching, act of god approaching.

“We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects, and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity. Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do.”

I knew Einstein was wrong about the speed limit in the universe;

“We now have the technology to take ET home. No, it won’t take someone’s lifetime to do it. There is an error in the equations. We know what it is. We now have the capability to travel to the stars. First, you have to understand that we will not get to the stars using chemical propulsion. Second, we have to devise a new propulsion technology. What we have to do is find out where Einstein went wrong.”

I want to kick Ben Rich in the nuts for thinking;
It was Ben Rich’s opinion that the public should not be told [about UFOs and extraterrestrials] . He believed they could not handle the truth — ever.

77. Basement Blogger - June 21, 2011

@ 72 Phil

I’m going to counter your one word response of “no” to global warming or climate change with the below wikipedia page on the topic. And before you say it’s wikipedia, the sources are referenced. Here’s a quote from the article.:

‘This finding (global warming) is recognized by the national science academies of all the major industrialized countries and is not rejected by any scientific body of national or international standing.”

I have not heard any major scientific organization say that climate change or global warming is false. I have not heard NASA denies it doesn’t exist. I have heard that Rush Limbaugh is against the theory of global warming but I don’t think he’s a scientist. :-)

Here’s the article.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Warming

78. Basement Blogger - June 21, 2011

Sorry for the bad grammer. @ 77, The sentence that begins with “I have not heard NASA…” should read “I have not heard NASA deny its existence.”

79. Basement Blogger - June 21, 2011

The Truth Is Out There? (@ 71, 76)

First, I keep an open mind on UFOs and what the government might do to keep UFOs secret. With that said, I read the article about Ben Rich, CEO of Lockheed Skunkworiks. Until I see a video tape of him saying that UFOs are real and the United States governemnt can travel among the stars, I will have my doubts to the authenticiy of the story.

Yeah, it’s possible the DoD’s contest is one big disinformation or information campaign. For example, there are better UFO reports than Roswell but if you look at the history of what the government says about that, you’ve got to wonder what is the truth. For a refresher here are the various stories on Roswell from the government:

1) Actual recovered UFO … quick retraction
2) No, it’s a weather ballon… go to the nineties
3) No, it’s a top secret ballon designed to detect Soviet atomic tests
4) And, alien bodies recovered were dummies which we air dropped in the fifties. Never mind that Roswell happened in 1947.
5) Author Annie Jacobson’s best selling book “Area 51″ says Roswell was a Soviet hoax, cooked up by Stalin using Josef Mengle to create alien like people. WHAT?! (link) And get this, she had a government source (engineer) and was a darling among the mainstream media during book interviews.

I prefer the UFO reports were something was actually measured. One of my favorite reports is the Belgium UFO sightings in the nineties. Belgium actually scrambled jets. The got radar hits. Visual sightings. Possible photographs. Link.

1. Author Annie Jacobson says Roswell was a Soviet hoax!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/ufo/8512408/Roswell-was-Soviet-plot-to-create-US-panic.html

2. Belgium UFO sightings
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_UFO_wave

80. somethoughts - June 21, 2011

#79

You can’t fabricate account witnesses, farmer, family, local officers all confirming the findings of the crashed saucer with alien bodies as authentic.

Roswell is your typical contact event where it is denied by the USA Govt to protect National Security interests.

Is it a coincidence that the bald short big eyed grey aliens are also confirmed in abductions by the thousands by the human population?

Is it a coincidence our technology grew by leaps and bounds after Roswell? Including a secret Area 51 base that produced many military secret planes and bombers?

It is so obvious that the USA Govt made a deal with the Grays, the exchange of DNA of humans/experiments for technology. If this is true, which it is, The Govt people responsible for the thousands if not millions of missing people and the hardships humans have endured is equivalent to what the Nazis did. They should be identified and given a public trial, nobody should be above the law.

Google underground secret bases.
http://www.subversiveelement.com/Dulce_Index.html
http://thedulcesecret.blogspot.com/

81. somethoughts - June 21, 2011

The most fascinating;

At the Dulce Base, most signs on doors and hallways are in the alien symbol language and a universal symbol system understood by humans and aliens. Thomas stated that after the second level, everyone is weighed in the nude, then given a uniform. Visitors are given off-white uniforms; jump suits with a zipper. The weight of the person is put on a computer I.D. card each day. Any change in weight is noted; if over three pounds, a physical exam and X-ray is required.

Scales are located in front of all sensitive areas and are built into the floor near doorways and the door control panels. An individual places his computer I.D. card into the door slot, then enters a numerical code onto a keypad. The person’s weight and code must match the card or the door will not open. Any discrepancy will summon security. No one is allowed to carry anything into sensitive areas. All supplies are put on a conveyor belt and X-rayed. The same method is used in leaving sensitive areas.

All elevators are controlled magnetically; there are no elevator cables. The magnetic system is inside the walls of the elevator shaft, there are no normal electrical controls. Everything is controlled by advanced magnetics, including lighting. There are no regular light bulbs and the tunnels are illuminated by phosphorous units with broad structureless emission bands. Some deep tunnels use a form of phosphorous pentoxide to temporarily illuminate areas. The aliens won’t go near these areas for reasons unknown.

Level 1 contains the garage for street maintenance. Level 2 contains the garage for trains, shuttles, tunnel-boring machines and disc maintenance. The studies on Level 4 include human-aura research, as well as all aspects of telepathy, hypnosis, and dreams. Thomas says that they know how to separate the bioplasmic body from the physical body to place an “alien entity” life-force-matrix within a human body after removing the “soul” lifeforce-matrix of the human.

Level 6 is privately called “Nightmare Hall.” It holds the genetic labs, where experiments are done on fish, seals, birds, and mice that are vastly altered from their original form. There are multi-armed and multi-legged humans and several cages (and vats) of humanoid bat-like creatures as tall as 7-feet. The aliens have taught the humans a lot about genetics; things both useful and dangerous.

The Grey and reptoid species are highly analytical and technologically oriented. They have had ancient conflicts with the Nordic humans from other space societies, and may be staging here for a future conflict. Intensely into computing and bio- engineering sciences, they are led to doing reckless experiments without regard for what we consider to be ethical and empathetic conduct toward other living creatures.

Principal government organizations involved in mapping human genetics, the so-called genome projects, are within the Department of Energy (which has a heavy presence on the Nevada Test Site); the National Institute of Health; the National Science Foundation; the Howard Huges Medical Institute; and, of course, the Dulce Underground Labs which are run by the DOE. Thomas had revealed that the chief of the genetic experiments for Los Alamos and Dulce is Larry Deaven.

According to Thomas, the alien androgynal breeder is capable of parthenogenesis. At Dulce, the common form or reproduction is by polyembryony. Each embryo can, and does divide into 6 to 9 individual “cunne” (pronounced cooney, i.e. siblings). The needed nutriment for the developing cunne is supplied by the “formula,” which usually consist of plasma, deoxyhemoglobin, albumin, lysozyme, cation, amniotic fluid and more. The term “genome” is used to describe the totality of the chromosomes unique to a particular organism (or any cell within an organism), as distinct from the genotype, which is the information contained within those chromosomes. The human genes are mapped to specific chromosomal locations. This is an ambitious project that will take years and a lot of computer power to accomplish.

Is the alien and human BIO-TECH being used to nurture and serve us, or is it being used to control and dominate us? Why have UFO abductees been used in genetic experiments? It was when Thomas encountered humans in cages on Level 7 of the Dulce facility that things finally reached a climax for him. Row after row of thousands of humans, human-mixture remains, and embryos of humanoids were kept in cold storage. He says, “I frequently encountered humans in cages, usually dazed or drugged, but sometimes they cried and begged for help. We were told they were hopelessly insane, and involved in high-risk drug tests to cure insanity. We were told to never speak to them at all. At the beginning we believed that story. Finally in 1978 a small group of workers discovered the truth. That began the Dulce wars.”

Thomas also says the aliens don’t want the land, the gold, the minerals, or water that we posses, nor even the human or animal life. What they do want is magnetic power that surges on and through the Earth. The aliens harvest this magic power in a way unknown to us. Thomas says the aliens recognize this power as more valuable than any other commodity on our globe.

It may be unpalatable to digest or believe Thomas’ story. In fact, it seems like part of a living nightmare. There is evidence that something strange does go on at Dulce. Does Thomas have the answer? There may be a terrible truth hidden behind the continuing phenomena of UFO sightings, abductions, and animal mutilations. Our government intelligence agencies have had an ongoing watchful eye on all UFO activities for many decades now. This extraordinary phenomenon must have an extraordinary explanation. We may be only one outpost in a vast interstellar empire.

82. dmduncan - June 21, 2011

There’s a guy who shoots infrared video of the night sky and he recently had some video up. He catches stuff all the time, mostly satellites, but he caught something that looks exactly like the Belgium UFO. A triangle craft with a light in each point. It was small, but very clearly identifiable as such. Lemme see if I can find the link…please hum the Jeopardy theme song while you wait…

83. dmduncan - June 21, 2011

Got it! Here’s the link, with vid.

http://weirdnews.aol.com/2011/06/01/infrared-videotaper-kevin-mccracken-ufo-squadrons-oakland_n_869141.html

84. Red Dead Ryan - June 21, 2011

Hoooo—–eeeeeee—–hooooo—–heeeeee—–heeeeee——hooooooo!

Dah-DUM-DUM-DUM-DUM-DUM!

(X-Files theme)

85. somethoughts - June 21, 2011

#82

Awesome video dmduncan!

#83

LOL

86. somethoughts - June 21, 2011

I think boborci, alex and JJ should make a Dulce Underground Secret base movie after they have finished their Star Trek obligations :)

87. somethoughts - June 21, 2011

I meant #84 LOL :)

88. Basement Blogger - June 21, 2011

@ 80 86 Somethoughts

The Dulce base (Archuleta Mesa) which is allegedly in New Mexico is too wild for me to believe. I first was infromed about it from the History show UFO Hunters. After watching it, I looked for the stories online. Man, the stuff is wild. Without proof, I will be skeptical. And don’t get me wrong, cattle mutlilations, I take sereiously. But there’s got to be some proof before I say, yeah let’s start digging.

And by the way, Dulce Base has already been exploited in speculative fiction. It’s the basis for one of my favorite games, Half Life. Link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dulce_Base

89. somethoughts - June 21, 2011

#88

Yea I think the V series was based on it also, it is far out there. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was all true.

I think there was proof, after the Dulce War that broke out underground, there is suppose to be in existence a phaser of some sort that can vaporize the target with some photographs and of course Phil Schneider survivor to the fire fight and his youtube videos who was later murdered.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs4emKd_fG4

90. Basement Blogger - June 22, 2011

@ 89 After watching all seven videos of the Paul Schneider’s YouTube lecture, I’m sorry to say he was a paranoid person who had many conspiracy theories.

Video five demonstrates that Mr. Schneider is one paranoid person. On it (1:50) , he claims that the first attack on the World Trade Center was caused by construction nuclear weapon. That’s wild. During the whole lecture he espouses several tenets of the Patriot Movement. It’s a movement that is seriously paranoid and in my opinion, dangerous because they come very close to calling for violent overthrow of the American government. In fact video five, Scheneider is extremely paranoid. There’s a lot of hatred involved. For example, Schneider says without proof that former AG Janet Reno cheated her way through law school. In fact, the rambling in video five demonstrates to me that Mr. Schneider may have been mentally unstable. Of course, he rants against gun control and the “New World Order.” . This is part of the right wing militia doctrines.

As for the alien part of his lecture where he holds up alien minerals, he never says any of these materials were independently tested. His recalling of his firefight with the aliens sounds more like an accident where his digging deep into the mesa discovered and startled an alien base. Other Dulce War tales are more like a revolt between alien and men allies against those who wanted the experiments to continue.

Mr Schneider’s long lecture is interesting. And he tells a great tale. It’s too wild for me. His alien minerals need to be tested to be confirmed. So, I’m going to have to say I don’t believe him. Plus the anti-government rhetoric is ugly and a big turn off. It’s reminiscent of Timothy Mcveigh. I do regret his death..

91. Basement Blogger - June 22, 2011

I want to clarify about my sentence about Phil Schneider. @ 90. I said “I do reget his death” was in reference to Phil Schneider. I’m sorry that he passed away. I note the video said he died under mysterious circumstances.

And I’m sorry for calling him Paul Schneider rather than Phil Schneider, that’s just a mistake.

92. Jai - June 22, 2011

Re: #75

This is a very good website discussing the Crabwood crop circle, including an excellent photo and an analysis of the embedded message :

http://www.lucypringle.co.uk/articles/crabwood/

According to some people who have independently analysed the message (see the links in the section “The Dish” via the article above), apparently “EELrijue” is actually supposed to be “Believe”, although it’s unclear why it was misspelt. There is also speculation that the capitalisation of some of the words (or parts of the words) involves a hidden secondary message.

There still hasn’t been a satisfactory explanation of the unusually sophisticated image or the complexity of the encoded message. Apart from the alleged extraterrestrial origin, of course. Having said that, if it really is authentic, then it means we have some (unknown) friendly allies out there. The message also implies that there’s currently some kind of interstellar political conflict about attitudes towards humans.

Re: #76

“I want to kick Ben Rich in the nuts for thinking;
It was Ben Rich’s opinion that the public should not be told [about UFOs and extraterrestrials]. He believed they could not handle the truth — ever.”

Maybe. On the other hand, Ben Rich’s reasons may be justified if “the truth” is something extremely shocking. The jury’s still out, for the reasons Basement Blogger correctly mentioned in #79, but it does have some huge implications if Ben Rich really did say what was claimed.

Apparently there are also various documents around which mysteriously refer to “non-terrestrial officers”, but again I have no idea how authentic all that is.

93. Jai - June 22, 2011

I’m assuming most of you have heard of the revelations a few months ago involving John F Kennedy and UFOs:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1378284/Secret-memo-shows-JFK-demanded-UFO-files-10-days-assassination.html

94. Jai - June 22, 2011

Basement Blogger, re: #88

“Without proof, I will be skeptical. And don’t get me wrong, cattle mutlilations, I take sereiously. But there’s got to be some proof before I say, yeah let’s start digging.”

I agree completely, although in terms of “hard evidence” there is possibly the Crabwood crop circle & message which I mentioned earlier. There still hasn’t been a satisfactory explanation for any of it.

Google around for more information; I think you’ll find it very interesting. Photos of the unusually sophisticated image and detailed analyses of the decoded message are widely available. If that message really is authentic then the implications are obviously staggering.

95. somethoughts - June 22, 2011

#92

I have stated in the past on this site that jfk was assassinated due to his interest in ufos and his desire to let the american ppl know the truth.

They did work with russia in exploring ancient alien relics on the far side of the moon, the upcoming transformers film borrows heavily from this genre.

http://www.viewzone2.com/monalisa.html

96. Phil - June 22, 2011

Oh, man, has this thread taken a turn off the reservation…..

97. dmduncan - June 22, 2011

There’s nothing paranoid, right wing, or militia-istic about speaking out against the New World Order, the Bilderbergs, The Club of Rome, the Rockefeller Foundation, or the Federal Reserve. That’s actually called being informed, because if all you know about those things is what you see in the corporate media, then you don’t know squat, because they are not going to inform you.

They are going to tell you who your candidates are, they are going to tell you who can and cannot win the elections, they are going to prove it to you with BS polls, they will follow Bernays by the book and you will believe what they say without question and maintain the status quo they have instructed you to keep.

The New World Order has been a dream of these groups for decades, and it isn’t even questionable to anyone who has looked into their writings and actions.

98. Basement Blogger - June 22, 2011

@ 92 Jai

There are many government documents from U.S. officials indicating interest in UFOs. Link. These documents merely show there was an official interest in UFOs.

But we cannot reach the conclusion that Kennedy was killed for his interest in UFOs. There’s no proof of that. Plus we’ve haven’t heard from Bob Orci. :-)

Link
FBI document merely shows interest in possible UFO crash in N.M.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1375203/The-memo-proves-aliens-landed-Roswell–released-online-FBI.html

99. Basement Blogger - June 22, 2011

@ 93

If somebody wants to claim there’s crashed alien craft on the moon, they had better have the evidence. And by that I don’t mean photographs which can be doctored or misinterpreted. I want examinations by scientists say of the alien bodies.

The link is interesting but extraordinary claims of alien craft and ebes on the moon require extraordinary evidence. Until a qualified scientist can examine this stuff, I’ll be skeptical.

100. somethoughts - June 22, 2011

#97

The evidence is in Official NASA photo
(detail of AS15-P-9625),
Apollo 15, 1971.
http://www.angelismarriti.it/images/Zoom2-AS15-P-9625.jpg

http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS15-P-9625

The same object was confirmed by recent Japanese satellite.

The letter provided by #92 Jai shows that the USA was working with the Russians secretly in exploring alien relics on the moon.

They found a large abandoned ancient alien ship, a base and a cathedral of some sorts.

To me it looks like ancient war zone, the moon is scarred not only by meteorites but by ancient weapons and war, the same can be said about mars.

I believe this solar system was once inhabited by space faring civilization(s) who had a war of worlds that left the moon and mars in it’s current state.

101. Vultan - June 22, 2011

#96

Far off the reservation, Phil…

102. Vultan - June 22, 2011

It’s the latest feature on trekmovie.com—Pseudoscience Saturday!

103. Phil - June 22, 2011

@99. Entertaining reading, for sure, but the burden of proof has yet to be met.

104. Red Dead Ryan - June 22, 2011

#99.

“I believe this solar system was once inhabited by space faring civilization(s) who had a war of worlds that left the moon and mars in it’s current state.”

And Earth somehow managed to remain unscathed throughout the ancient “star wars”. Sure. Now I have some horse manure I’d like to sell you….

105. somethoughts - June 22, 2011

#104

Remember those Dinosaurs? lol

106. Red Dead Ryan - June 22, 2011

oop…that was meant for #100

DAMN TYPOS!!

107. somethoughts - June 22, 2011

#92

I believe it goes back to the war between angels(nordics) and demons(greys and dracos) and the battle for humans souls.

108. Phil - June 22, 2011

@105. So, the aliens adopted bovine rectum as their new intersteller delicacy after their thirst for dinosaur rectums hunted them to extinction?

Bovine backside and earth girls – our contribution to a better galaxy.

109. dmduncan - June 22, 2011

108. Phil – June 22, 2011

@105. So, the aliens adopted bovine rectum as their new intersteller delicacy

***

On earth that is not a delicacy. That is a hotdog.

110. Basement Blogger - June 22, 2011

After reading this post about the contest by the DoD looking for ways to travel to other stars, I posed a question of why the military (DoD) was interested.. Then the discussion turned to government interest in UFOs. That’s relevant.

But what I could use is less of the crazy stuff. Dulce Base, New Mexico is interesting stuff and a bit wild too. However, until somebody findes evidence of the base, such as an opening with UFOs flying into it, I’m not going to buy a shovel and travel to New Mexico. Phil Schneider (@ 89, 90) is a paranoid, angry man. Along with UFO stuff, he spits out the usual right-wing stuff about Waco, Ruby Ridge, Janet Reno even a conspiracy about the World Trade Center bombing. If he didn’t talk about aliens, he could be Timothy McVeigh’s spiritual father.

If we want to talk about UFOs, we should focus on the better cases. The Belgium UFO sightings in the early nineties. The Rendelsham Forest incident with credible testimony from U.S. military. The Arizona Lights, which now has former Arizona governor Fyfe Symington who mocked it become a believer. What links these cases is evidence. Photos, radar hits, credible witnesses.

Dr. Michio Kaku says 5% of UFO sightings are unexplained. (MSNBC story.) Those are the ones we should talk about and look at.

Kaku on MSNBC
http://thatsreallywild.com/ufos/michio-kaku-ufos-are-real/

111. Basement Blogger - June 22, 2011

@ 100

First, the photographs are inconclusive. What people says looks like a ship could be part of a hillside, or a dune. The video could be a hoax. And why do the aliens look like humans? But extraordinary claims must be back by extraordinary evidence. There needs to be something that can be measured or in other words examined. How about someone from MIT to examine the alien artifacts?

As far as the scarring of the moon, I believe meteor strikes before ancient alien war. What you write is interesting science fiction but again there needs to be proof that scientists can measure or examine.

112. somethoughts - June 22, 2011

#111

Whats fascinating about the ebes found on the ancient moon ship is that they look like gods worshipped by buddism and hinduism.

If humans are gods children then god created man, ie space faring civs created mankind and seeded earth, this could be a general practice of most advanced civs, like a lion mating and moving onto the next mate, civs moving onto the next m class planet to seed.

These finds will never be confirmed as it goes back to national security interest and prevents panic. When ones beliefs are challenged, it has been shown that people stop working and paying taxes, rioting, suicides, hence all this is tighly wrapped in dark secrecy to ensure continuance of society and government.

113. dmduncan - June 22, 2011

112: “When ones beliefs are challenged, it has been shown that people stop working and paying taxes, rioting, suicides,”

Exactly what happened to me after I learned Santa didn’t exist.

114. somethoughts - June 22, 2011

#113

Lol I was pissed when I learned santa clause didnt exist

115. Jai - June 23, 2011

Basement Blogger, re: #110

“If we want to talk about UFOs, we should focus on the better cases…What links these cases is evidence. Photos, radar hits, credible witnesses.”

I agree (again). Other possible credible examples include Nasa video footage from space shuttle missions.

One particularly interesting incident which comes to mind is that famous video of a UFO which was seen above the Earth from the space shuttle, some kind of particle beam was fired at it from somewhere on the Earth’s surface, and the UFO suddenly performed a defensive manoeuvre by rapidly changing directions and heading away from the planet.

116. Phil - June 23, 2011

Goof lord, do you all believe everything you see on YouTube?

117. Thorny - June 23, 2011

Those “Shuttle UFO movies” are largely believed only by folks who watch very little footage from Space Shuttles. Those of us who do see so much flotsam, jetsam, ice particles, and lens flares (pre Trek 2009) in Shuttle downlinked TV that the world would be subjugated under the aliens from Tau Ceti if they were all really UFOs. And once you realize that this junk shows up all the time, the “ooh, cool! a UFO!” attitude goes right out the window. Throw in the usual YouTube compression to within an inch of its life and it is just astonishing to me that anyone actually believes those are little green men from Alpha Centauri.

Don’t be so open minded that your brains fall out.

118. somethoughts - June 23, 2011

#117

The other side of the coin is, even if a alien came down and kissed you right in the forehead and brought you aboard their space ship to their home world you would think it was all a dream :)

There are some folks that also believe earth is the only planet in the entire universe lol that supports life rofl do the math, quick.

Just look to the past and see how many civilizations have documented contact with gods/aliens.

119. Thorny - June 23, 2011

Wow. You really consider equal indistinct video of a dot moving across a camera’s field of view with meeting an alien on the street and going to another planet?

You do understand that such statements make you sound very much like a lunatic, right?

And for the record no civilizations have documented contact with aliens. Not a one. Nada. ZIp. Wishful thinking does not equal evidence.

120. somethoughts - June 23, 2011

#120

Google Sumerians and open your mind a bit and remove those horse blinders.

Believe what you want to believe.

121. Phil - June 23, 2011

@119. Ignore the man behind the curtain…..

Or, as my late father was fond of saying, “my mind is made up. Don’t confuse me with facts”.

122. somethoughts - June 23, 2011

#119

123. somethoughts - June 23, 2011

#121

Exactly

http://www.crystalinks.com/sumergods.html

124. somethoughts - June 23, 2011

#119

You remind me of those kind of folks afraid of new knowledge and accept what is told to them ie earth is flat and sun revolves around the earth, no advanced beings ever came down from the heavens. Go through your history books and look at how ancient civs describe visitors from the heavens.

If you feel better thinking no beings ever visited earth, that is your right, I kindly disagree.

125. dmduncan - June 23, 2011

Nabta Playa.

126. Phil - June 23, 2011

@124. Here is the problem. First, great, we get it that you think aliens visit us. The problem is, when asked for proof you just attack the question. To use your example when Galileo headed off to Rome to defend heliocentrism, he had employed critical thinking, and gathered evidence as proof. It’s not a question of choosing to believe, it’s a question of evidence, of proof, or in the case of your position, the lack of it.. You have done none of that, and only offered up opinion and conjecture. That is not proof, and really only makes your position no different then the church officials Galileo pleaded his case to in Rome.

127. somethoughts - June 23, 2011

#126

The proof is all around you, problem is when you see the proof you disregard it.

The us govt has done a good job of convincing you, as you said ignore the man behind the curtain.

Many links has been provided, I get it is hard for you to accept, until the day the us govt tells you to your face and holds your hand to walk you down the truth, that aliens have visited earth, I will not hold my breath, good luck.

128. somethoughts - June 23, 2011

#125

Fascinating,

Map of the milky way galaxy, from the perspective of the northern galactic pole, awesome.

129. Phil - June 23, 2011

@127. Some photos of moon rocks and ice floating around the space shuttle window is proof that there are rocks on the moon and ice floating around the space shuttle. Sorry…

130. somethoughts - June 23, 2011

#129

Can you explain this to me phil?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_9lSwJ-jeXxQ/R1J2yq8PRfI/AAAAAAAAAPU/JFewHyZmPhY/s1600-R/lemshay.jpg

Try harder phil, lot more links I posted.

131. somethoughts - June 23, 2011

#129

Let me guess, just random rock carvings eh? Lol

http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/geocentrism/helicopter.jpg

132. somethoughts - June 23, 2011

Contact with egypt;

http://www.alien-ufo-pictures.com/saqqaraet.jpg

133. Phil - June 23, 2011

I can, but as the only result you want to see are visitations from ET, what’s the point?

134. somethoughts - June 23, 2011

#133

How do you explain a civilization before modern times their understanding and correct view of the solar system, including planet x and why they viewed earth as the 7th planet. How do you explain every culture referencing beings coming down from the heavens in chariots of fire or magical clouds from asia to ancient greece. How these beings taught them about the cosmos etc

135. Phil - June 24, 2011

@134. See 133.

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