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AJinMoscow

Happy New Year!

Phil

I’m sure it’s 2019 somewhere. Happy New Year!!

Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire

Happy New Year All!!!!!!

Disinvited

HAPPY NEW YEAR to all! And Happy Holidays to all the Trek fans of the Russian & Greek Orthodoxies!

Phil

China lands a probe on the dark side of the moon. It’s a shame this page has abandoned the occasional science article, this is quite an achievement for the Chinese and real space exploration. As was the New Horizons flyby of Ultima Thule.

Also interesting, it looks like the insignia for the Chinese Space Agency is a mash up of the Enterprise Delta insignia and the UFP flag…..

Happy new year!

CmdrR

No one said the United Federation of Planets will be founded in Iowa.

Disinvited

Phil,

And I am at a loss to comprehend what journalists are trying to communicate by “dark”? If they mean dark in the sense of “unknown”, what did they think all the Apollo astronauts did when their orbits took them around to the other side of the moon – close their eyes?

And if they mean dark as in “unlit”, what do they think humans are seeing when they observe the phases of the moon or more specifically the new moon? Not to mention lunar eclipses?

CmdrR

Too many joints smoked while listening to Pink Floyd…

Silvereyes

The Moon, as I’m sure you know, is in geosynchronous orbit around Earth, which means it always shows the same face as it turns around Earth. So there’s a face it never shows, hence the dark side of the Moon…

Disinvited

Silvereyes,

As I have already pointed out, the side of the moon that faces the Earth is in various phases of darkness most of a month and largely only fully lit for one day in a month of days. What makes people think the far side somehow experiences lesser illumination? I mean it’s obvious the far side has to be experiencing phases of illumination and darkness complementary to the ones we see from Earth, i.e. just as there’s an Earth day cycle of light and dark the Moon is experiencing the same, i.e. a lunar day, just over a longer period of time.

Silvereyes

Disinvited, you are correct. The dark side of the Moon is no darker than the light side. They just call it dark because we never see it.

Disinvited

Silvereyes,

And as I pointed out, like the Dark Continent, it ceased being “dark”, i.e. unknown or unseen, when the Apollo astronauts’ lunar orbits allowed them to see it.

Phil

There is no dark side of the moon, really.
Matter of fact it’s all dark.
Roger Waters

Disinvited

Phi,

There are regions near the Moon’s poles that receive so little direct sunlight that they could be considered permanently dark, but that’s not where the probe landed.

CmdrR

Now, TWO Lt. Tylers have undergone “very painful” transformations from mortal enemy to canoodling crewmate.

Harry Ballz

I’ve just seen on Linkedin that our friend AJ has a new job. It’s a pretty impressive gig! Let’s all take this moment to congratulate our pal on this next chapter of his illustrious career!

AJinMoscow

Thanks, Harry! Moving to Thailand a week from Tuesday. Country GM for Halewood International, a mid-size (and growing) UK-based alcohol company. First, trip to NY Tuesday, UK Saturday to pick up my PC, corporate and insurance cards, get briefed, and then straight to Bangkok Tuesday.

Harry Ballz

Great, AJ! So, when you get to Bangkok, try to meet some gal who will do exactly that!

Phil

I did just a little lurking on sailors pages when my son was in the Navy. Those might not be gals, Harry….

Harry Ballz

Well, Phil, I guess it comes down to….any port in a storm! :>)

CmdrR

Best of luck!

Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire

Best of Luck AJ.

Phil

Spying on LinkedIn, are we? Congrats, AJ!

Ensign Crusher

I haven’t seen this discussed anywhere. The enhanced VFX of TOS generally dont bother me, but I dont understand why they took creative liberties with the sound design of the show’s opening title sequence. There is serious reverb of Kirk’s voice (making it inaudible at normal listening level) and the mix of instruments, vocals in the theme is significantly different than the original. It’s more noticeable in the season 1 remasters than season 2.

Why mess with that?!

Disinvited

Offhand, I’d speculate it’s because CBS is demonstrably not as deft as Paramount was in navigating musical composition and musical performance royalties for home video presentations.

CmdrR

So, Frakes turned in a fine episode… allowing the crew to express JOY! THAT’s huge for a series that went its first season virtually without it. Folks, two good episodes here… and even some signs of improvement over at The Orville. Maybe 2019 will be a good year!

Nat

I never watched the old star trek so I can’t compare the two, but this is how I feel about Discovery.

Star Trek Discovery season one is great with all the action (war against Klingon), the interaction between characters [Michael Burdam (half vulcan half human) and the rest of the crew] and the element of suspense and surprise that the show offers.

The only issue I may have with season 1 is how fast they stopped the Klingon war (in just one episode from what I remembered)

I just started watching season 2!!! and I have to say I am really impressed with the show so far.

Already in season 2 we are greeted with a occasional comedy (which is great) and scenes with advanced technology that is truly remarkable (creates a science atmosphere) and the new situation really invites you to use your problem soling skills to predict what could happen.

Also the small details are quite noticeable too (WW3, other changes that could happen in the future.)

With all of this in mind I have a feeling that season 2 is going be absolutely above and beyond!

CmdrR

There’s no doubt Disco is good tv; some of us are waiting for the bits that will make it the stuff of legend. Hoping.

Harry Ballz

Wow, I usually disregard social media chatter, but there are some serious rumblings out there that Star Trek Discovery is in real trouble. As in if the numbers don’t pick for Season 2, it will be cancelled. Apparently, Season 2 costs the studio $150 million to produce, and I guess the bullshit “mary jane” stories aren’t cutting it.

Like I posted a few days ago, dump Burnham, move the show over to Enterprise, and let’s focus the show on some exciting Pike/Spock action! Even established canon can live with it!

Where’s my royalty cheque?

CmdrR

Nope. They’ll ride that shuttle into the black hole. I’ve also seen in reviews that the whole reason we got Short Treks was to cover extensive reshootings on the first five episodes of this season.

Tues night 10pm Eastern. Everyone join in at Roddenberry MissionLog Live — available on Facebook or Google it — and share your thoughts!

AJinMoscow

There’s lots of debunking or these rumors going on as well. Though, S3 has yet to be greenlit. The problem is the CBS All Access thing. It’s UPN all over again in the show’s core market. Outside of the US, it’s on Netflix, which ought to at least do re-runs in the US if they want to ramp up business. Better yet, do what TOS did and put older seasons into syndication on cable channels, and watch the viewers pile in.

CmdrR

AJ, I’m nominating you to quit Thailand and run for President of CBS All Access. The slogan: Good Trek or Phuket!

Harry Ballz

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Good one, CmdrR!

Marja

Agreed AJ. I see parallels with the UPN debacle too. You’d think CBS would have sussed that out, but it was a generation ago. I hope they do sell it to Netflix for “syndication” but I have a feeling they’re going to hug it close and keep it on CBSAA with the other series [which I always watch on Netflix].

CBSAA was basically too proprietary an idea, but we’ll run with it, I guess. They should have put it all on Netflix worldwide.

CmdrR

Happy Kanoodling Day, All You Lovers!

Marja

As Wilson Cruz said today, for some of us it’s Singles Recognition Day :^D
I’ll snuggle down with some Lorca reruns, LOL.

Harry Ballz

Gawd, I’m bored shitless by Star Trek Discovery. Laboring through these “Mary Jane” stories is like watching wet paint dry! Burnham should NOT be the focus of the story, and the Klingon crap puts me in a coma!

AJinMoscow

Harry, we are all in Festival! As you should be!

Phil

You seem to be in a pretty distinct minority position here, Harry, as most folks seem to be of the opinion that the production team has righted the ship. Cheer up, The Picard Show should be along later in the year…If I have a gripe, dusting off insignificant background characters and labeling them iconic is borderline fan service, but a lot of people seem to like that, too.

Harry Ballz

Phil, I get your point, but I’m 64 in June, and being a life-long Trekker, I honestly can’t summon enough interest to sit through a whole episode of Discovery. It’s THAT bad (in my opinion).
I am so frustrated that the studio finally spends tons of money on a new Trek series, and they decide to invest it in this DOGSHIT!

CmdrR

Harry, Disco is TV for 2019. We’re spoiled, because so much of TOS was TV for… whenever. TOS wasn’t perfect, and we enjoy poking fun at the wobbly sets and the girdle of a certain starship captain in season three, but TOS aspired to be more than it was. I question whether Disco has aspirations beyond the immediate appeal to a tv audience. I’m still hoping.

Harry Ballz

They should have launched the show with Pike and the Enterprise, with it being 10 years pre-TOS. Nobody gives a shit about a boring character like Burnham! What a f*ck up!

Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire

Hey Harry. You can always watch old Eps of Smallville with one Ericka Durance.

Phil

Chris Hemsworth isn’t hurting for work, either. Granted, this is for Netflix, but Hemsworth is going to have to bulk up quite a bit to play the Hulkster, and is his story in the early days of the WWF really a story that needs to be told? Origin stories are a dime a dozen these days – I have no desire to see Captain Marvel in a couple of weeks, either.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2821679-chris-hemsworth-reportedly-to-play-wwe-legend-hulk-hogan-in-netflix-biopic?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire

Wow!!. Having grown up on Wrestling this should be good.

Harry Ballz

Gee, Emperor Mike, you grew up on wrestling, eh? That explains your sophisticated taste in entertainment!

(oooh, SNAP!)

Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire

Careful Harry. Or will will tell all about you and Erica.

Phil

Getting over the fact that Hemsworth, as good a specimen as he is, it pretty tiny compared to the Hulkster. Even more, Andre the Giant has very much instrumental in the rise of Hulk Hogan….who’s going to play him?

Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire

Well. The Big Show would be my guess.

AJinMoscow

Bangkok is HOT. 95F (35C) every day, and it will get hotter. After so many years with Russia’s long winters, I kinda LOVE it. Even hotter in April-May, then monsoon season in the summer! Whoosh!

Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire

Just watched The Orville. A Very Intense Episode. I mean Very Intense,

Harry Ballz

I just watched The Orville Identity episode. So well done. I found it edgier and more compelling than any of the dogshit served up on ST Discovery so far!

Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire

Agreed. This was a Surprising but Superb Episode. Complete with Humor and Action and Top Notch FX. The Scene with all the Skulls was down right Creppy.

CmdrR

I agree it’s ballsy. I’m hoping the conclusion is not a reset. Kill Isaac or make him a recurring villain!

Phil

Caught an episode last year, that’s an hour of my life I’ll never get back. If the last episode was decent, I guess that’s proof that even the worst bowler throws a strike on occasion.

CmdrR

Saw “Wandering Earth,” starring…. ???? It’s quite fun. Set your brain to Roland Emmerich and prepare to read fast and you’ll have a grand time.

Harry Ballz

How’s everybody doing?

Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire

Doing Great!!,
Looking forward to The Orville. Maybe some Snow here in Texas

Harry Ballz

You think you’ve got snow?? We’re about to get another blast in Toronto.

CmdrR

Doing great. Just learned my first novel should be out this summer, instead of the fall. So psyched!

Harry Ballz

That’s great, CmdrR! Details?? WE WANT DETAILS!!

CmdrR

‘Come the Eventide.’ Look for it on Amazon this summer. Dolphins rush to save Earth. Dig it!

Harry Ballz

SUH-WEET!!!:>)
CONGRATS!!!

Marja

Congratulations Cmdr R! I knew you could do it.

I’ve had a peep at it, folks, do look for it. It’s very good!

Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire

CmdrR. Remember us Little People.

Phil

Sounds great! Hopefully a nice little payday follows…

Phil

Doing great, or not so much. Depends on when you ask.

CmdrR

? Phil ?

CmdrR

Thoughts on The Orville’s ‘Identity Part Deux?’

Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire

Fantastic!!!. That Poor Redshirt. They actually Spaced him. Oops. Spoiler Alert.
The Space Battle was way above and beyond anything Dico could ever hope to show. Even the little Comedy they had worked. Like the Top Gun reference. I have always liked this show from the Start. Now. I totally Love this Show.

Harry Ballz

I thought they did a good job wrapping up the story. Too bad the special effects aren’t on par with Discovery.

Marja

I haven’t seen it yet. I’ll wait till I’m somewhere I can see it for free ;^)

AJinMoscow

I though the last Discovery ep (with Spock) was really ‘top of their game’-level stuff. Looking forward to new Talosians this week!

Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire

I am also excited. This should be good.

Marja

So I saw Apollo 11 this weekend on IMAX.

Impressive compilation of footage.

Would have benefited so much from subtitles [listening to the comms takes way too much concentration to get only 25% of what they’re saying — parts are clear but many are not]. It would also have been great to see facts and figures spelled out. There was no helpful narration from Walter Cronkite as there was back in the day.

It brought back memories, though. We walked out of the theatre wishing America still had that kind of optimism.

Phil

I’ll be seeing Apollo 11 long before Captain Marvel. If you ever get the chance they have a Saturn V on display at the KSC. It is well worth the visit, and incredibly impressive, considering the engineering tools behind it are downright primitive compared to today.

I was five in 1969. Memories are very fuzzy, at best. Twelve years later I was in awe of the space shuttle.

Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire

I thought the latest Ep of Discovery was really well done. The Direct tie in to TOS The Cage was Extremly well done. Love that they showed Previously on Star Trek and showed a recap of The Cage with Jeffery Hunters Pike and then came into Discovery’s Pike. All in all I thought this was their best Episode Yet.

Silvereyes

Congratulations on your novel CmdrR. Your talent does come through in your posts. Harry, stop complaining about the 3 inches of snow in the Queen city…. Really!

Love The Orville. It’s a nice, light snack.

I just haven’t been able to get into Discovery. It’s just too dark (literally) and darn pretentious. Saru should get a wack behind the head with his new attitude. Who the hell does he think he is coming into Pike’s face? And is it just me or is the soundtrack in the background just too loud! Can’t hear anything they’re saying…

Georgiou is just too bitchy. Can’t stand her….

Sorry for being so negative. It just doesn’t feel like Star Trek, whatever that means, but I do appreciate the effort.

AJinMoscow

Saru coming into Pike’s face, eh? I think I missed that scene.

Silvereyes

Really? The episode with the Ba’ul, when Pike is considering some form of solution that Saru opposes, on the bridge, Saru leaves his console, approaches Pike slowly and uses a tone that is certainly confrontational, so much so that Burnham needs to intervene. Saru is being way out of line.

Phil

Different people are going to put their creative spin on the franchise. Nick Meyer is worshipped by a lot of Trek fans, and it’s he who dragged the franchise into a more militaristic aesthetic. Before STID, The Undiscovered Country showed us a Federation rife with dark pretentions and conspiratorial dealings. Was it pre-Odo bragging they’d clean the Klingons chronometers?

AJinMoscow

Silvereyes, of course I remember the scene. It’s your choice of words (taken in a different context) I was commenting on. Read it again and forget about the scene in ‘Discovery.’ Pretend you’re Harry Ballz while you read it.

Silvereyes

OMG OK I get it now AJ…

Phil

Harry context is a wonderful thing….

Harry Ballz

Harry context? Oh, COME NOW!

CmdrR

I got it. Yikes. That would be a whole new offering for this streaming service.

CmdrR

Thank you. I just met with my team! I’ll know more in a few weeks/months.

CmdrR

We are looking at a June release! Woo and, I might add… hoo!

Eric Friedmann

Regarding the blue camera icon that appears every time there’s an enhanced shot in Star Trek: The Original Series: Season 1, can anyone please tell me if there’s a way to TURN IT OFF so it doesn’t keep popping up? I’ve tried everything with my LG Blu-Ray Disc Player, and can’t seem to figure anything out. I’d be grateful for any assistance. Thanks.

Wow that’s an old issue. I’ve had multiple Panasonic and Sony players over the years and they don’t do that. Sadly it’s the LG player that’s doing it. It’s a known issue with LG players, if there’s alternate angles (in this case the branches that let you choose old or new VFX) it will display that icon, and stupidly LG doesn’t seem to provide a way to disable it.

http://www.film-tech.com/ubb/f12/t000775.html
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/172-dual-format-players/1144436-lg-bh-200-any-fix-angle-icon-issue.html

Phil

Cleaned out the backlog, I see.

AJinMoscow

So, Bangkok will be at 101F this Friday. It’s the hot “six weeks of hell” period (also known as Thai mango season) which will end when “Rainy Season” (also known as Thai Monsoon Season) begins end of May. After years in Russia, talk about living on a different planet…

Phil

It’s a bit depressing to scroll through the Paramount schedule at Box Office Mojo and see no mention of Trek into 2022. Two Terminator sequels, and WWZ2 are still on the list, all be it as TBA’s. Setting aside for the moment that schedules can change, it begs the question, will any future feature length Treks go straight to streaming, and what might they look like?

CmdrR

Gawd, World War Z 2 is still on the board?? 1 was awful — as if a late series episode of TWD had traveled back in time, but lost its balls along the way. And there is no way I’m wasting another 115 minutes (or whatever) on another Terminator movie. The last one utterly wasted Matt Smith, who was the only one there who had any business being in a time travel story.

'Beach

I read the book of WWZ, and it was pretty good, told in the sort of past-tense report format. The movie sort of did a Battlefield Earth thing in that it was called WWZ, but had little to nothing to do with the source material.

Congrats on your book by the way.

CmdrR

Thank you!
It comes out in early June, with pre-orders in late May. I won’t pitch it here, but stop by phasebuuk for updates.

Phil

I find that a lot of these movies are perfectly suitable for killing an afternoon on Netflix, but I’d be mighty upset for dropping a theater ticket on WWZ, Terminator, or Marvel/DC movie these days. `

I can understand Paramount having a ‘take is slow’ approach to a future Trek movie, I strongly suspect they are tired of dropping 200MM on tentpoles that are consistently break even projects (at best). So, if Trek can be make for 100MM, surely someone could step up and make one on that budget and commit to something to put on a schedule in the next five years? The Bad Robot movies may not have been spectacular, but they weren’t toxic waste, either.

Silvereyes

I don’t mind a lower, more reasonable budget proportional to the expected revenue, but I don’t want the Wrath of Khan treatment. The movie as we all know was excellent, but the sets, matte paintings, effects and recycled sets made everything look so cheap. The photon torpedo room had struts that were obviously from the Klingon cruiser from TMP, as was the teleporter console. It just took one out of the story…

Phil

It’s a fine line to walk on special effects. The last three Bad Robot movies are examples to the opposite extreme. A lot of the effects where thrown in for no justification other then they could, and that was a distraction as well.

Silvereyes

Quite true. If they could spare us this superfluous flash, then they could probably get a very technically decent movie out at a reasonable budget. Unfortunately they seem to think the target demographic demands the over the top visuals… Maybe I’m just too old and slow.

Harry Ballz

Silvereyes, you’re neither old or slow. Simply discerning in your judgement.

Silvereyes

Thanks Harry, I could say the same for you.

Phil

Well, we have Marvel to thank for that. They have basically told one story multiple times over the last decade, and the movie going public has bought billions in tickets to be amazed at the different costume changes. I’ll borrow from Harry, there’s nothing wrong with being discerning…

'Beach

To the Old Crowd, All Hail. It’s been a while.
To those I may not have met yet, greetings.

Silvereyes

Always nice to see you drop in, ‘Beach! Kind Regards my friend.

‘Beach

Silver Old Bean! Nice to ‘see’ you!

Harry Ballz

‘Beach!! You MUST pop by more often!

CmdrR

‘Beach! How’s it hangin?

'Beach

Precariously, as usual.

Silvereyes

Then I suggest tighter underwear…

CmdrR

Silvereyes, that course of action is highly ball-logical.

Harry Ballz

Let’s not be testy, shall we?

‘Beach

Are we not all a little nuts, Harry?

Harry Ballz

At our age, ‘Beach, it’s more a question of where they hang, not how big they are!

Phil

Ah, or the ode to high society….

I’m upper, upper class high society
God’s gift to ballroom notoriety
And I always fill my ballroom
The event is never small
All the social papers say I’ve got the biggest balls of all

Harry Ballz

Well put, Phil!

'Beach

Aye, lad. Me bollocks could use a tightenin’…

AJinMoscow

Always welcome. You never left, ‘Beach.

Silvereyes

I find DSC so unbelievingly pretentious. They take themselves way too seriously. The only character that seems real is Pike. The others are either overdoing it or the writing has nothing significant for them to do. I facepalmed when Spock quoted Shakespeare in the last episode and Burnham seemed to respond with an intellectual orgasm. These people need to get over themselves. It’s not all bad but this show is just trying too hard to be deep and meaningful. You keep expecting a big reveal but in the end all you get is disappointment…

CmdrR

Can you imagine Burnham and Saru in ‘A Piece of the Action’? I cannot. I wish this show found more fun and adventure instead of focusing on teary-eyed emo crap and plot salad.

'Beach

“…It’s not all bad but this show is just trying too hard to be deep and meaningful…”

I agree, but therein lies the problem. Good Treks past came up with the more meaningful stuff I think without meaning to. “The Inner Light” I sort of doubt the producers had any idea it would become what it has come to mean to a lot of fans. It’s on Top 10 lists all the time. “City on the Edge of Forever”? Same thing. I think that proverbial or metaphorical deeper meaning ‘bell’ rings itself. So far, Discovery’s attempts at it have rung false.

Phil

No, I can’t, actually, because this format of season long story arc’s really doesn’t lend itself to just throwing in a knee slapper episode to just lighten things up.

Phil

There’s some irony here, as fans of TOS who are critical of Discovery seem to keep falling back to the complaint that current Trek isn’t smart, deep, and meaningful enough. In the broader picture, the TV environment has changed. Back in the 60’s, when each episode was pretty much a bottle episode, it was very easy to crank out a ‘Trouble with Tribbles’ or ‘A Piece of the Action’ because it could run side by side with “The City of the Edge of Forever’. Each week was a reset. In an episodic arc, it really is hard to sandwich in a tongue in cheek episode without screwing continuity. I suspect the show runners are trying to address this, Lower Decks and the Nickelodeon animated series should be lighter in tone….hopefully.

Silvereyes

Valid point. However even if they did have the environment where they could insert a lighter side episode, to CmdrR’s point they don’t have the people for it or the context. And Phil yes it’s true that we’ve been complaining that the new Treks aren’t deep enough, but DSC stuffing down our throat how deep they are by essentially saying “hey look how deep we are” is worse.

'Beach

All good points.
Can I mention another show that seems to blend everything we’re talking about (not perfectly, to be sure) and has the writing and the casting to handle both heavier and lighter moments? Am I being too vague, or if I’m not does that constitute a can o’ worms, here?

Silvereyes

Orville?

‘Beach

Yes but I’m never really sure where people come down on that show. I personally enjoy it but other opinions are rather polarized around it. Macfarland seems to genuinely want to do well and make the best product he can. That love shows in the writing and production design and performances and even the VFX if that makes any sense.
Sorry. I’ll stop beating that drum, and say that in contrast STD seems complacent and arrogant.

Silvereyes

Keep on beating that drum ‘Beach, I love The Orville. People are polarized yes but not more so than DSC. I find it’s so relaxing to watch, unlike DSC which is so dark (literally and figuratively) and you said it, arrogant. Quite frankly boring too.

Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire

I also Love the Orville. Smart and Charming Show. Great FX and Acting.

Phil

@ ‘Beach – a friend recently asked if you could pony up 45K for a Lamborghini look alike, would you? My answer was no, because it was still nothing more then an expensive copy. That said, I did watch a couple of episodes (of The Orville) last season that left me flat – but I also understand there is room for both shows for ones viewing pleasure. Streaming series, with few exceptions, are serialized – a lot of the negativity I see being directed at Discovery seems to have also been a complaint about DS9, a show I still think is the best Trek to have graced the small screen. However, episodic Trek is your thing, the Orville is a nice compliment, where it’s equivalent of ‘City on the Edge of Forever’ and ‘Trouble with Tribbles’ can run back to back and no one notices there’s little continuity.

Vice Admiral Nakamura

I know exactly what you mean, Silver. I am getting to the point where I can’t stand Martin-Green’s overly-mannered, pretentious, portentous overacting. But we can’t blame her, because that must be what the producers want. The tone is just off. Star Trek is supposed to be cheesy in a good way, but this is the wrong kind of cheesy. I think this show is run by people with, for lack of a better term, bad taste… and a lackluster sense of humor (and drama). Makes me worried for the Picard show. Who knows, maybe Stewart’s just coming back because they made him an offer he couldn’t refuse.

CmdrR

I respect Martin-Green, which is why it’s frustrating to see the writers hit the teary, bug-eyed button EVERY episode. She’s had one romance, which was forced and ended in near murder… and teary regret. Why can’t we see her explore a strange new world? Have a fun day? Commune at the shore with glormfarths? A character has range. Burnham has no range. She’s one note and that note is dreary.

Silvereyes

Exactly. Teary and bug-eyed. I’m sure Martin-Green has range, but she’s not given the opportunity to show it. Even Janeway was less uptight. You can be serious with undertones of lightheartedness. Think of Data, Worf, even Spock, Kirk and Picard… So many examples.

‘Beach

Did she not come from TWD? What was she like on that show? I admit I didn’t watch it.

Silvereyes

Didn’t watch that either. I’ve heard she was good in that show. I think the issue is more with the writing than her acting abilities.

'Beach

Kind of reminds me of Jake Lloyd/Hayden Christensen. Having seen both actors in non-Star Wars properties, I am convinced both can act, but Lucas cannot direct an actor to the bathroom. Burnham comes across like that. Like there’s more there but the direction is lacking. Either that or she’s just acting what’s on the script page without any sort of ‘actorly’ interpretation.

AJinMoscow

I think we’re dealing with Trek in the post-Sopranos & Game of Thrones era, where the stakes are much higher, and cannot be wrapped up in 46 minutes once a week. I do feel that the super-deep DSC relationships have become a bit too fake-drippy and lacking in backstory (However, no less so than Kirk, Spock and McCoy in ‘Amok Time’ at the beginning of year 2 of TOS). Could be because of cancellation anxiety. There is not guaranteed 7-year run, so they have to to make everything happen RIGHT NOW rather than develop relationships over time. And yes, the wait for ‘big reveals’ is tiresome…

'Beach

“…Hello AJ my old friend..
..Nice to hear from you again…”
And
“..the words of the Prophets are written on Terok Nor’s walls…”
I have had that song earworming me all day….

David

Does anyone know who is doing the main and bg casting for the new ST series?

Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire

If Disco wants to get a little light hearted. Then Cast Ericka Durance to be in it. I’m sure she will liven up the Show. Lol

Harry Ballz

Durance could portray a Horta (without make-up), but that would violate canon.

Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire

Opps. Can’t do that. Maybe she could play a Gas Cloud.

Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire

One of my Favorite Shows that never took itself to seriously was Star Gate SG-1 for 10 season they produced some of the best Sci fi and story telling. But they never took them selves too seriously. Loved that Show.

Disinvited

Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire,

I hear you and agree. However, we should also note that, like STAR TREK, SG-1 gotten taken very seriously by some very serious people, so seriously that they, like STAR TREK, eventually actually got to use REAL military equipment, such as an ice piercing sub, and on duty active personnel in their fiction.

Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire

Very True. Heck. They even got Two Real Air force Cheifs of Staff to appear on the show as themselves. Many of the Extras were also real Air Force Personnel. So yes. It was a Serious Under Taking. But they knew how to have fun as well. That was what made the Show so much fun to watch.

Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire

Babylon 5 was another great show.

Phil

As was Ron Moore’s Battlestar Galactica. Also serialized, downright depressing compared to the original.

Silvereyes

The original was extremely cheesy, but that was 1978… The new one was indeed very good.

Phil

Well, it was modeled after the first Star Wars, also very cheesy, in a good way. Except the Triumph of the Will ending….

Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire

I wish Richard Hatch would have been able to make his Version of Battle Star Galactica. It was going to be a continuation of the Original but a little Darker. It would have been Awesome.

CmdrR

Michael J. StrIcan’tspellhisname wrote MOST of the episodes. Phenomenal.

Phil

When you know that MJS has his fingers in just about all the B5 pots, it’s a wonder he got any sleep at all…

Disinvited

I believe it’s J. Michael Straczynski.

Phil

I believe you are correct….

Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire

Happy First Contact Day Everyone.

Phil

May, the forth, be with you.

LR Smith

We are ready for a new Trek movie. Give Pine and everyone else whatever they want, just get them back. They are all perfect. So sorry to read about Anton. He seemed like a nice kid.

This show must go on.

Phil

For the time being, streaming is where the action is. Until Paramount can find a way to bring in a Trek feature closer to 100MM then 200MM, we won’t be seeing the good ship Enterprise on the big screen anytime soon.

CmdrR

About two months to go until the biggest book release ever! (…that’s I’ve been involved in.) I don’t want to use this room to promote, but if they’ll let me, here’s a site you can follow me on:

https://www.facebook.com/Come-the-Eventide-267204897503475/

When it does come out, I hope folks will give it a look… and REALLY hope you’ll share the page on your own SM sites. Now, back to our regular Trek programming…

Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire

This is a Special Decree from the Emperor. All in the Empire will Buy the Book from our dear friend CmdrR. Those who fail will be properly Punished. That is all.

CmdrR

You are a true and loyal friend, Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire. Have fun stormin’ the castle! (Especially if it’s Lydia’s Castle of Tantric Woo-Hoo on Risa.)

Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire

My Pleasure my Friend.

Phil

When you post, one of the address fields lets you put in a link, which adds a hyperlink to your name. If you click on mine it takes you to my LinkedIn profile in all my financial advisor glory, as an example. No one’s ever complained, or banned me…nor have I ever had any hint that anyone has seen it.

I’ll check it out. I do scare up business elsewhere on line, I’ll cross post anyone who wants to participate…as long as it’s legal.

Phil

Or maybe not….apologies to TPTB.

CmdrR

Got my proof copy today. You can see what the book looks like on Phasebook. The link is at the top of this chain.

CmdrR

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CmdrR

OK, in. Good to see he loses his Space Hippie beard!

Phil

Yeah, that Hunger Games look is a touch distracting….

CmdrR

Rode ‘Star Trek Dark Remnant’ VR at Dave & Buster’s. Fun. Pew pew at Klingons. Quinto pops in. Not up to a 4D ride at Universal Studios, but fine for a night at the mall. Be sure to look around. My hands were blue. My 11-year-old son was a Vulcan I’ll call Lt. Cmdr. Stakd. A visit to the ship’s counselor is extra.

Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire

I’ll have to try it. Sounds like fun!!!

Phil

Not that I do this often, but today I did Google Star Trek 4, just to see what was floating around out there. Quite a bit on SJ Clarkson and GOT2 now, but I see a little speculation that Tarentino Trek is probably DOA as well. There were no comments attributed to anyone, just extrapolating out that the problems that did in Trek 4 would also still be an issue with Tarentino Trek. That’s a shame, because if true, there might not be any Trek on the big screen for a long, long time.

Of course, the minute I hit ‘post comment’, just watch, two hours later there will be breaking news that a movie has been green lit….

AJinMoscow

Trek is very much alive in the TV/streaming world right now, so I can’t imagine Paramount going into full Trek-crastination mode now, especially when they are so desperate for any kind of hit. On the other hand, killing “Transformers” as a viable money-making franchise was a master stroke of incompetence on their part, so expecting a reasonable business decision from Paramount might be too much to ask at this point.

Phil

Falcon Heavy, successful launch. I’m not to worried about the future being in the kids hands…

CmdrR

The latest Orville is a true Trek alumni party.

AJinMoscow

Is this channel still on? Hey, anyone ever catch this Spockboy video tribute to TSFS? “Sepia Trek?” Didn’t think so: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_m6qNgEfCs

‘Beach

That’s awesome! Loving the silent movie treatment!

Phil

I thought I’d seen it, but needed to search the site to refresh my memory. Matt Wright had posted it up back in April 2015.

Only because it’s my favorite nit to pick, one quarter impulse power (again assuming that full impulse is just under light speed), would get you from the earth to the moon in about a third of a second. Maybe a half second allowing for acceleration. Or in pieces all over the wall of space dock in the time it takes your navigator to press the ‘go’ button….

AJinMoscow

Wikipedia says: “Since a ship traveling at impulse velocities (slower than, but approaching, the speed of light) is still traveling in the normal space-time continuum, concerns of time dilation apply, and it is written in the ST:TNG Technical Manual that high relativistic speeds are avoided unless absolutely necessary; impulse power is therefore customarily limited to a maximum of ​1⁄4 lightspeed (approximately 269,813,212 km/h, or 167,654,157 mph). (Warp travel, on the other hand, is stated in the Manual to cause no kinds of time dilation effects.)”

Phil

Okay, that still gets you from the earth to the moon in about nine seconds….and probably still splattered all over the walls of space dock considering the quarter second reaction time for visual stimulation when someone shouts ‘oh, s**t, space dock doors are still closed!!’

One quarter impulse inside space dock is suicide. Thrusters makes sense. A real fake reality would have all vessels in this type of facility under computer control with an AI harbor master running the whole show, otherwise human reaction time alone would have the entire facility reduced to spaceship bumper cars….

'Beach

Clearly a lot of creative license was taken with the whole sequence. Coming from a military background, there is simply no way a handful of ‘disgruntled employees’ sneaks onto the reservation in the middle of the night and makes off with an entire STARSHIP.

There by rights should have been a fully-staffed Gamma shift in full swing at the time (given that Space Dock should have been on its own internal clock, much like an independent starship usually was), with plenty of people paying attention and able to alert someone in charge someplace that the famous admiral Kirk and cronies were in-house and headed for Enterprise.

Perhaps security was lax because she was going to be decommissioned anyway, but still. You’d think 23rd century computer architecture would have been harder to hack. Scotty not only was able to trick open the space doors, but was clearly able to override the security lockouts that Space Dock should have had on Enterprise’s systems, let alone whatever barriers they should have put on her physical plant.

Yeah, I get narrative license and it drives the plot and all of that, but still it was way too easy. A more ‘Ocean’s 11′ sort of montage of how they scammed their way onto the station first and eventually onto the ship would have been more fun.

Just sayin’.

AJinMoscow

Well, it works for me. That’s one of my favorite scenes in all the old Trek flicks ;-)

Phil

Oh, I love the Sepia Trek piece, it’s a marvelous little bit of artistic expression. WOK isn’t beloved because of it’s accuracy, if you’re looking at it with a hard eye it’s horrible, for all the reasons mentioned here and elsewhere. It’s beloved because the stars lined up behind Shatner and Montalban’s performances, never once giving pause to question the suspension of disbelief. It may be sci-fi, but it’s still artistic expression.

Speaking of WOK, Ricardo Montalban has only been gone ten years. By itself, it says something about the talent of the man that he is remembered so for a character he only played twice.

CmdrR

Happy Easter!

Harry Ballz

Okay, I gotta admit, the bridge of the Enterprise on STD is pretty sweet. A little busy visually, but sweet none the less.
Give us a new show with THAT ship and crew!

Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire

Agreed Harry. Give us the Same Actors and Crew and Bridge and I am all IN!!!!
To me Ethan Peck and Rebecca and Anston Mount is what made Discovery good this year. Put them in their own Star Trek Show on the Bridge of the Enterprise and you will have a Smash Hit.

Harry Ballz

A smash hit indeed!

TG47

And to you too CmdrR!

CmdrR

So, The Orville did ‘Yesterday’s Enterprise’ as its S2 finale. Not bad. Fewer timey-whimey plotholes than Disco… but, what doesn’t have fewer plotholes than Disco? Fox would be dumb to drop the show, but last check renewal was ‘likely,’ but not locked down yet.

Phil

Any other network then Fox, and it would have been cancelled three months ago. I’d read somewhere the show was a bit pricy to produce, so I’d imagine that any renewal will probably be contingent on lopping a good chunk off the cost per episode. That, and stemming the viewer bleed…

Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire

Agreed CmdrR. I really enjoy The Orville.

Phil

As expected, Endgame made a butt load of money this weekend. As to not incur the wrath of the moderators, let’s just say they accomplished this with a story that contained no suprised at all. How is this relevant to Trek? Well, when you look at all the cash that’s being spent on cinematic spectacle, can you really blame Paramount for not wanting to tap into that vein? At least for the older fan base, the cold slap of reality is that old Trek just isn’t capable of delivering that level of box office without embracing putting spectacle on the big screen. The reaction to JJ’s failed attempt to walk that high wire demonstrated that it’s a hard act to pull off…and as currently constituted, Paramount management doesn’t have any vision to move the franchise forward, either.

Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire

Just got through seeing Avengers Endgame. On a Scale of 1 to 10. I give it a 1,000!!!!
Incredible Story,Action,Suspense and Drama with a good mix of Humor. This is How a Movie is Supposed to be made, How can they Top this. Wow. I don’t know!!!!

Harry Ballz

Gee, Emperor Mike, high praise indeed. I trust your past reviews. I’m looking forward to seeing it.

Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire

Thank you Harry. I just thought this really was an Amazing Movie. Usually Hyped Movies fall Short for me. But this one. I don’t think they Hyped it up enough. Lol

AJinMoscow

Saw it and thoroughly enjoyed it. Though, I’ll say, I watched “Infinity War” on video one more time the night before, and I was totally Avengered-out by the end of “Endgame.” I was also scratching my head at the time-travel maguffin they used, and the inconsistency of consequences for the various players (and the billions of others) who came back 5 years later, and who all managed to show up for the fight at the end regardless of what planet they were on 5 years prior. ‘Nuff Said.

Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire

That was Dr. Strange that brought them all to Earth to fight Thanos. Thats how they got there.

AJinMoscow

I remember that; was extremely convenient that his transporter circles worked for everyone all at once. Also, I thought he’d lost the Eye of Aggamoto (Infinity Stone) so wasn’t sure where he got the juice for all the circles he opened up.

Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire

Rest in Peace Peter Mayhew. You were a Great One!!!!

Sparrow

They were promising us
around 6 o’clock Intel 9 o’ clock

For two weeks Star Trek may 4 2019
it’s supposed to be
on like write about now
I do not see it yet why

Phil

Who’s ‘they’, and what were they promising?

AJinMoscow

‘Endgame’ is crossing $2 billion this weekend. 10 days in release.

Phil

Yeah, give it about two more weeks for Avatar to drop to number two. I’ll predict 3.8 billion when the theatrical run is done, plus or minus 500MM….

AJinMoscow

Avatar ran on a gimmick. The film itself was forgettable, but the 3-D surcharges juiced those numbers big-time. $3.8B would be a “so tell me again why we killed these guys?” number. I guess Chris Hemsworth is way too damn expensive now.

Phil

I’ve no idea how Cameron thinks there are four sequels in Avatar…but considering my predictor skills seem a bit off, who knows? It’s looking like Marvel is having some issues getting people in for multiple viewings of Endgame, maybe Avatar is safe?

AJinMoscow

Maybe it’s safe, but who cares about Avatar 2, or more?

CmdrR

Yeah, that jumbo popcorn cost a bundle.

Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire

Can I have just one half of %1 of the net profit please!!!!

Phil

Emperor Mike, I am but a lowly financial advisor in the empire, but please consider that those sneaky bastards in Hollywood have ways of making profit disappear into the moat. Take a quarter percent of the revenue, you won’t be disappointed!
Huzzah!

CmdrR

Iron Sky: The Coming Race
Hitler on a T-Rex. That’s not even the ending, so…
Nuf sed.

Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire

What in Blue Blazes are you watching CmdrR.

CmdrR

Iron Sky: The Coming Race is the sequel to Iron Sky, which finds Nazis on the moon… and they’re the –urm– good guys, or at least the least bad guys in the movie. Gotta watch it!

CmdrR

If you’re not watching ‘What We Do In the Shadows’ (movie, then series), you are wasting your time on inferior TV.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/what-we-do-in-the-shadows-producers-reveal-the-story-behind-that-all-star-episode/ar-AAB7IEf?pfr=1

Trar Stek

Back to Calypso Short, as I can’t seem to leave a comment on that page, I’m leaving here..

Everybody is presuming Discovery has been stuck in the future for 1000 years or so. Suppose it was sent far back into the past, before Warp technology was invented?

Suppose the AI called Zora on discovery develops further to become the much more powerful AI after the Sphere data in Discovery Season 2?

Just my 2p worth.

AJinMoscow

“Avengers” is at $2.5 Billion worldwide. “Only” $200,000,000 shy of “Avatar.” They blame faster-than-usual drops in daily numbers on a “front-loaded” box-office. It’s interesting to note that “Captain Marvel” pulled in a few million more, heading back to number one end of April in anticipation of Avengers being released. What do we think? Does Avengers: Endgame have what it takes to be Number One? Do we care?

Phil

Might be tough, with box office dropping mostly 60% or more week over week. Not sure if ‘A Dog’s Journey’ can do 25MM in box office this weekend, but Aladdin and Godzilla will definitely take a bite out of Endgame by months end.

Inflation adjusted, the top three are very, very safe.

I’m still going to be waiting for it to hit Netflix. Will definitely be seeing Godzilla, though.

AJinMoscow

Yes, but Avatar has the fake “3D surcharge effect,” which, in that time period, was used to finagle 30% more from naive movie fans for the perceived added value of leaving the theater with a splitting headache. When other films immediately began taking these surcharges for “3D Conversions” instead of “Native 3D” films (like Avatar), and 3D flat screen monitors were launched only to tank in retail, that was the end of the phenomenon.

Phil

Revenue is revenue. If getting served popcorn by strippers jacked revenue 30%, it gets cheeks in the seats…so to speak.

CmdrR

I personally felt that the ‘Avengers’ series was better than I ever expected and congratulate it on its success. That said, I do not want to see a spate of ‘franchise’ thinking from studio execs lusting after the big payday at the end. ‘Maze Runner,’ ‘Twilight,’ and whatever ‘Transformers’ is supposed to be. They’re a mess. Movie studios change leadership frequently… on a much shorter time scale than producing 3 – 7 feature films. I don’t want to be dragged into a franchise that’s only so-so. So… I give myself the right to divorce a franchise. ‘Star Wars’ and I getting a divorce. IX will be it, and I’m not really looking forward to it. If I hear great reviews on one of the newer ones, there may be some sex with the ex, but otherwise NO. I haven’t seen the Marvel newbs; I see other movies. I want studios to make good movies. I’ve seen too many films out there squander a budget that could feed a third world nation on a story that’s all cg fistfights. Enough. I watched ‘Stan and Ollie’ and loved it. Not a single dinosaur, alien, or zombie to be seen, just a quiet bromance and conflict story with gentle humor. Or ‘The Favourite.’ THAT. Hollywood. THAT. — ps – What are your fav non-tentpole, non-blockbuster, non-franchise movies?

Phil

I walked out at the end of Age of Ultron thinking, I’d seen this before. Avengers assemble again, and save the earth from yet another horde of evil space monkeys. With the exception of the animated Spiderverse, I’ve caught all the Marvel movies since then on Netflix. I don’t hate them, but they are all very derivative – I don’t mind killing an evening at home with a Marvel movie, but I ain’t dropping into the local cineplex for one.
I have my guilty pleasures, I’ll be off to see Godzilla next weekend, and will obviously stomp off to see anything with the Trek brand on it, I’m nowhere close to divorcing this franchise yet. Guillermo del Toro and Guy Ritchie are directors who I’ll generally watch (QT isn’t). Loved the Mr. Rogers documentary, and really regret not seeing Free Solo. For the longest time Shawshank Redemption was the standard I tended to compare everything else to, Twelve Years a Slave has since supplanted that. Those movies are rare, but a solid story that’s told well is also a treat. I remember the collective ‘oh my god’ in the theater at the end of The Sixth Sense. I could probably think of a few others, but I’ll stop there….

CmdrR

Folks,
I hope you’re looking forward to a great summer. IF you are looking for a good read, I humbly suggest you check out my book, ‘Come the Eventide.’ You’ll find it on my (Chris Riker, Atlanta) Facebook page. Cheers and Thanks!

Phil

I’ll do it, hopefully the link stays active…
https://www.facebook.com/cometheeventide/?ref=br_rs

Phil

Happy to help. Chat friends, if you get a chance share a few of the links on the page as well.

CmdrR

Thank you! I love subspace social media!

cometheeventide.com is now accepting pre-orders. Amazon will take actual paperback orders as of June 6th.

kmart

I’ve only watched about half or two thirds of GAME OF THRONES (deliberately missed some of the rape/slaughter heavy years), but found the ending to be okay. Really think there is great sitcom potential with this bunch sitting with the little man at the conference table debating what to do and how to do it while Bran does his drone work. Mainly am just happy the little guy lived (though when he was at the long table and alone, it reminded me of ELF when he ran on top of a table to punch Will Ferrell.)

Phil

Early reviews on Once Upon a Time in Hollywood seem to be kind. And apparently not the usual QT splatterfest he seems known for….

CmdrR

QT again. Wow, that’s a challenge. I would like to see something with his fav actors in it that’s creative… WITHOUT the gallons-o-blood or the brain-killing plot holes. Will check the reviews.

'Beach

Evidently Tom Cruise had been up for the Brad Pitt role in this thing, despite the obvious disparity in appearance between him and Leonardo. Harkens back to the old halcyon days when they didn’t seem to bother even trying to match stuntmen to actors. I mean, look at the fight between Kirk and Spock in “This side of Paradise”. That dude is so obviously NOT Nimoy it’s hysterical.

Disinvited

‘Beach,

Re: That dude is so obviously NOT Nimoy it’s hysterical.

So obviously from which of the following source materials for the THIS SIDE OF PARADISE stunt fight filmed?:

[] 1960s 16mm NBC network episode film reel

[] 35mm DesiLu episode film reel master from 1960s

[] Videotape master made circa later half of 1970s

[] DVD made from Videotape master

[] DVD made from 35mm original episode film edit reel

[] DVD made from post millennium rescan/remaster/remix

[] HD DVD made of post millennium rescan/remaster/remix

[] blu-ray made from post millennium rescan/remaster/remix

Viewed on a display approximating which of the following original target exhibition devices?

[] 19 inch diagonal 1960s B/W CRT television

[] 19 inch diagonal 1960s NTSC RCA Color CRT television

'Beach

D. All of the above.

Phil

More reviews seem to be suggesting that QT has a winner on his hands. An Oscar winner. It begs the question that I’m sure the suits at Paramount will be keeping an eye on, will an audience appear for a QT movie that (supposedly) isn’t his trademarked drenched in gore production?