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Chris Pine Sued By Former Agency – Star Trek Salary Revealed February 15, 2012

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Star Trek’s new Kirk Chris Pine is being sued by his former talent agency. Pine left the agency in late 2011 and now they are alleging he owes them compensation for a number of current and future projects. The suit also reveals Pine’s Star Trek salary. More details below.

 

Pine sued by former agency – Trek salary revealed

In November 2011 Chris Pine ended his nine year relationship with SDB Partners, a boutique agency which took him on in 2002. The suit alleges that SDB signed up "when nobody was willing to touch Pine" and quickly got him TV parts and a leading role in a feature film (Princess Diaries 2). By 2011 Pine was a hot commodity as the new Captain Kirk and with deal to be the next Jack Ryan along with a number of other projects (including This Means War which opens this week). The suit alleges that Pine discharged the agency by email without the "courtesy of picking up the telephone."

More specifically SDB says that Pine owes them compensation for their share of his salary for a number of projects. THR has details from the suit on Pine’s compensation, including that for the Star Trek sequels:

Pine’s Trek deal gives Paramount an option on him for three films. His pay for the first Trek isn’t listed but the deal allegedly gives him $1.5 million plus up to $500,000 in backend compensation for the second film (which is currently in pre-production) and $3 million plus the $500,000 in backend for a third film, if it happens. He also gets 5 percent of net merchandising revenue from the exploitation of his name and likeness. (The complaint doesn’t address whether this or other deals might have been renegotiated up, as is common when movies become big hits.)

According to the report, Pine will be paid even more by Paramount for the three potential Jack Ryan films, with  "$4 million for the first film, $8 million for the second and $12 million for a third, plus backend."

For more details see THR story.

Comments

1. CmdrR - February 15, 2012

I’m thinkin’ it’s 1 – 2 – 3, which makes Chris the new Six Million Dollar Man.
Ooh, maybe he’ll do that reboot, too.

2. Spock/Uhura Fan - February 15, 2012

So you are still doing this kind of reporting. Oh, well. Such is life…

3. zperk - February 15, 2012

@2 sorry, what’s wrong with reporting the industry details of the only current Star Trek production? What goes into issues like this directly affects the outcome of the film you’ll eventually see.

4. Spock/Uhura Fan - February 15, 2012

Since we are commenting, I think he should just pay his bills/fulfill his contract obligations and then move on. Do the right thing…

5. Lyle Kinney - February 15, 2012

Wow- so do not care…

6. Hat Rick - February 15, 2012

Chris Pine — the REAL Six Million Dollar Man!

Plus around $24 million with the Jack Ryan films.

Paramount better realize that they need to up the ante for Trek movie salaries if they want to keep Pine. I wish the best for him and for Trek, as the two are very closely intertwined in these times.

7. Spock/Uhura Fan - February 15, 2012

@#3

I’m not interested in the personal details of the actors’ lives that, in my opinion, takes away from the professional side of things, like the movies/shows/events. It muckies the waters to me, and I know I’m not the only one that feels this way.

But, we can all look at how an actor is (poorly) treating the agency that helped bring him to stardom by failing to pay them their salaries even though that (and his salaries) doesn’t really have much of anything to do with the content of the films.

Have at it.

8. zperk - February 15, 2012

I’m confused though, did he dump SDB for one of the ‘big 5′ agencies? Or did he just dump the agency all together and is only using a manager as representation?

If he didn’t jump from SDB to someone like WME/CAA/ICM/UTA/etc, than it’s possible that this arose as an issue between his management and agents; and Pine sided with his management.

It’s completely his choice to leave his agents, but REGARDLESS he should pay them the cut that they’re owed since they obviously did work their butt off for him for years when he was a nobody.

9. zperk - February 15, 2012

@7 “in my opinion, takes away from the professional side of things”

False. This is the absolute definition of the “professional side” of the films. These are the goings-on of the profession.

Sorry, but some of the adults actually care about how the toy is made.

10. Spock/Uhura Fan - February 15, 2012

@#6

For me, it’s Zachary they need to try to keep, but it woyld be nice to have thr same cast from beginning to end. I think the will.

11. CmdrR - February 15, 2012

The story doesn’t tell us what Pine and SDB Partners had been discussing, and whether SDB was truly his best choice going forward.

Pine gets to make that decision, not anyone here. As to the email… how the hell do we know how you fire your agent. From what I’ve heard, it’s usually best to fire them out of a cannon into a pile of poo.

12. Nony - February 15, 2012

I read the suit…very emotionally and unprofessionally written in parts. If SDB wants all that from Chris Pine, they’re going to have to represent themselves a little better.

13. Spock/Uhura Fan - February 15, 2012

@#9

Not false because I gave the examples as to what I was talking about. Yes, we are talking about money he was paid for his work (and the agency thst helped him get that pay), but to me that’s more of a private matter between him and the agency that is suing him for their money.

Again, have at it if you like. I’m done here. Thanks.

14. Jay - February 15, 2012

#7 What? I really don’t get this. How is this not related to Star Trek?

First of all this story doesn’t tell us what happened to cause Pine to leave SDB. We have no idea what Pine’s reasons were.

Secondly, current news events directly concerning the principles in the new Star Trek movie are certainly interesting, even if it doesn’t directly affect the movie itself. I’m assuming this will have no effect on the movie because it is a legal issue between Pine and SDB and not Paramount or Abrams, etc.

Thirdly, this in no way takes away from the professionalism, or anything else from the current movie production in any way. I’m sure this sort of thing is fairly common in Hollywood and is probably not even a topic of discussion on the set.

Why would you criticize Anthony for posting a very relevent article about the star of the movie that this blog follows? Just makes no sense.

I could understand if he was posting an article about Jay Leno being sued by his agency. I would agree with you then. But I would fully expect him to post this kind of news worthy story.

15. Spock/Uhura Fan - February 15, 2012

Please forgive the typos…
——

I explained myself already, Jay. But, thanks… I’m done.

16. Plainsman - February 15, 2012

The veil is torn away… Surprise! Pine is an *actor*.. and he works for money, and he has business relationships with stakeholders who sometimes feel differently about where the money goes.

17. I am not spock but i wish i was - February 15, 2012

We don’t know the whole story… including how critical the agency was in getting him the roles in the first place. Although they still might be entitled to compensation, we can’t and shouldn’t make a judgement on what “the right thing” is in term’s of Pine’s behavior toward that agency. My guess would be (and it’s just that) he didn’t feel they were representing him properly, thus the email “dismissal.” Perhaps he felt that was all they deserved.

18. Sunspot - February 15, 2012

It is interesting to compare Pine’s alleged salary for the second Abrams’ Star Trek film to the highest salary earned by Shatner and Nimoy on any of the Star Trek films. Reportedly Shatner and Nimoy earned approximately $2 million each on Star Trek V (and then only $1.5 million each on Star trek VI) after a series of four previous successful Star Trek films, and long careers in television and film. It seems that if the $1.5 million figure reported above for Chris Pine is true, he is being paid very well, having been a virtual unknown only a few years prior to Star Trek 2009.

I am sure that Shatner, Nimoy, et al are envious of Pine’s high salary.

19. Jay - February 15, 2012

#15 Actually you didn’t. You criticized Anthony for posting what is clearly a related news worth story about the star of the movie that this site is centered around. Your only explaination was that you don’t think it is.

Your explaination makes as little sense as your original criticism. If you are not interested in the particular post, that’s your right. I just don’t understand how you criticize the guy that owns this blog for posting something that is so clearly news worthy and directly related to the subject of this blog. Strange.

20. Fallen_62 - February 15, 2012

@7 – You know you don’t have to read every story that TrekMovie puts out, right…? There, you’ve saved yourself from all that trouble by just not reading articles that don’t interest you or you don’t like.

21. Fallen_62 - February 15, 2012

@18 – Trek was a dying franchise at the time of those movies, and with inflation and other rising costs and demand of stars and their agents, I’m not really surprised that’s he making this much now.

22. Zip - February 15, 2012

Spock/Uhura Fan, I’m with you.
The facts are interesting, but i don’t care if he pays his bills or not, I’ll let his business people worry about. As a fan I say Just play the part well, On With the Show.

23. Jay - February 15, 2012

#18 Well, I see what you are saying, but you should take into account inflationary differences. $2mil 10 or 15 years ago is quite a bit more than $1.5mil today. So really Shatner and Nimoy were paid more.

Also, as is the case in alot of areas, there is alot more money period in certain entertainment today than in the past. Even just 15 years ago. Movies make alot more money now. Sports is another area where current athletes make alot more than those 15, 20 or 30 years ago playing the same sport. I think its safe to say there was alot more publicity and hype around this Star Trek movie than just about any that came before it. Also, we don’t know what Pine made for the first movie. Could have been just $1mil, which by todays standards is pretty small for a lead role in a summer tent pole action movie. Even for a relatively unknown guy.

24. Dom - February 15, 2012

Ah, the usual Hollywood game playing. Nothing new really!

25. chrisfawkes.com - February 15, 2012

This is an industry where smaller players can sometimes try to survive off of law suits. Often it is extras trying to sue agencies.

So just saying i would not jump to the conclusion that Chris Pine is automatically in the wrong and if not the last thing he wants is to get a reputation for rolling over and handing over cash at the first sign of pressure.

If he does that lawsuits would become a never ending story.

Two life rules for staying happy 1. Do what is right 2. Always slap a bully hard in the head (metaphorically most of the time).

26. Jay - February 15, 2012

#22 I don’t disagree with you. I mean I am interested in the buisness side of the movies, but if you are not that is your right.

What I don’t get is criticizing the blog author for posting it when it is clearly directly related to the subject of the blog.

27. SkSexton - February 15, 2012

WWST?
figger this one out.
Hint
b in ga

28. chrisfawkes.com - February 15, 2012

Why the frick are people commenting if they do not care?

Go move to a post that you do care about.

Proverbs 17:28

29. Zip - February 15, 2012

Jay, i didn’t criticizing the blog author, or anyone else. you must have mistaken me for someone else

30. Jay - February 15, 2012

#29 I know you didn’t. I was referring to #7. You said you agreed with that person that you weren’t interested in this story. I was just trying to make clear the difference between not being interested in this story, and critcizing Anthony for posting it.

31. SkSexton - February 15, 2012

o sweetie

Thats your next hint.

32. Zip - February 15, 2012

Jay,
yes that’s true.
Been reading daily hear since July 2006, don’t comment much, but I read it all. Anthony has done a great job. I have only good things to say about him.
Now to Chris Pine, keep up the good work, and “On with the show”

33. VZX - February 15, 2012

Bummer. The dude’s got rich people’s problems. I hope it doesn’t affect his performance in Star Trek.

34. Tiberius Subprime - February 15, 2012

Personally, report what you like. But i really don’t care about the actors and agents squabbling. I’m only interested in Trek production, story, characters, etc.

But if I did weigh in my two cents on this stuff, it would be as follows;

IF the agency were instrumental in getting him some of the mentioned roles, and are owed money, Chris Pine should pay. Big IF.

IF Chris Pine shafted them, shame on him. Big IF.

What I certainly don’t like is the way the agency has given public details about his money before the suit goes to court, nor do I think them making snide remarks—as they did in the press release—is very, uh professional of them.

As good as the agency might be, they should know better.

For me, Chris is innocent until proven guilty.

For me, the agency–despite their bad press move–is not a victim until the court decides it.

35. Dee - lvs moon' surface - February 15, 2012

Well, as far as I understand SDB Partners are wanting to receive for the future projects of Chris … I can not comment about it without being partial, I would side with Chris on this issue …

And as far as I know Chris Pine has not yet chosen new agents … according to a report published in Deadline, January 24, 2012… he was still “auditioning agencies” …

And as far as I know SDB was the first agency of Chris, looks like someone indicated the agency for him … no evidence that other agencies have not been interested in him at the time…

And about CP sent an email warning that he was leaving and that he was discourteous not to have phoned… well…

Good that Chris sent that email … I wonder what they would be saying now if Chris had just phoned… at least in the e-mai is evident that they had talked about it before and that Chris was not satisfied with the agency… and he showed gratitude for them…

Something was not working between Chris and the agency … he mentions this in the mail … and it’s not because they decided to sue him that they are correct in what they are seeking … I hope Chris finds a good lawyer and that everything is resolved in the best way …

;-)

36. Spock/Uhura Fan - February 15, 2012

@#20

Oh, believe me, unless I have a real need to say something (which is unlikely), I will be skipping these reportings in the future.

@ Jay

I’m not going to argue with you. If you don’think that I’ve explained myself over the course of two reportings (the other was Avery Brooks, which REALLY wasn’t in need of a posting here, and no, I’m not going to restate everything on every thread/comments section), then that’s you. I’m just done talking about Chris not paying his bills.

Like I’ve already mentioned before, if YOU want to talk about that, and if this site wants to report it, then have at it.

Thanks.

37. Jay - February 15, 2012

#36 LOL…. not sure why you keep saying we are talking about Chris not paying his bills. I see no evidence of that.

Some advice to you… if you come to a blog about Star Trek, you should not be surprised to see news worthy postings related to current star actors envolved in Star Trek projects. Or even those of recent actors envolved in Star Trek projects.

ummmm that is kind of the point of this blog in the first place.

I find it amusing that people take the time to criticize the blog for doing what it is intended to do.

38. Red Dead Ryan - February 15, 2012

#36.

What the f#ck? I thought you were finished with this thread? Why the hell are you still here anyway? You’ve said your piece, now get lost!

Really, you people who come to a particular thread to complain about how you aren’t interested really piss me off!

Next time, just ignore the damn article! SHEESH!

Dammit, man!

39. section9 - February 15, 2012

SDP Partners is whitemailing Pine in an attempt to get an up front settlement off of Pine’s future earnings.

SDP believes that they fronted Pine and that he dumped them at the urging of Paramount, JJ and the other ST bigs who have plans for Pine. The studios all use the same big agencies: it’s one huge incestuous orgy, and the small fry like SDP don’t get a cut of the swag.

Nobody is “innocent” here, nor is anyone “guilty”. This is business, period.

40. section9 - February 15, 2012

Sorry, dammit. That’s “SDB” Partners.

41. Aurore - February 15, 2012

“I hope Chris finds a good lawyer and that everything is resolved in the best way …”
__________

So do I .

42. Jay - February 15, 2012

LOL!!! Exactly!!

How dare a Star Trek blog post a news article about the lead actor of the next Star Trek movie???

43. Spock/Uhura Fan - February 15, 2012

Actually, I initially came to Trek Movie.com to talk about the ST09 movie and the next movie to come. The movie, to me, is not how much an actor got paid his part in it.

The website can, of course, post whatever. And once again, you can talk about whatever.

And a bit of advice to you–Perhaps worry about your own posts instead of other people’s. If you are here to discuss the posting above, then just do that. As for your first sentence, I could answer it, but like I mentioned before, I’m done.

44. Jay - February 15, 2012

#43 I guess you should realize this blog is about more than just the current movie in production. Maybe then you wouldn’t be so surprised by related news being posted.

I love when people criticize and then say “i would explain my criticism, but I’m not going to because I’m done talking about it.”

45. Spock/Uhura Fan - February 15, 2012

@#38

As per usual, you fail to read my posts properly. I said I was done talking about the subject of the posting above. If you want to get rid of me, then it’s nit going to be that easy, bub. But you can get lost. :-)

46. Spock/Uhura Fan - February 15, 2012

44

Dude, I’ve already explained. You could just move on. It’s just a thought…

47. The Unknown Poster - February 15, 2012

Didnt Shatner demand and get something like $6 million for Generations?

This sure shows you how difficult it will be to keep these actors after three Trek films. But if Star Trek continues to be a box office smash, they might be able to do it but to re-up Pine for three more films wold take $25-$30 million probably.

Actually, perhaps that isnt true. They should try get an option on him ASAP for three more. But with merchandising and royalties etc, a Trek salary could end up a lot higher in the long run than a “regular” movie. They could get creative.

48. Jay - February 15, 2012

#46 Actually you haven’t explained why you criticize Anthony for posting an article that is clearly related to the subject matter of this blog.

But I don’t expect you to.

49. Jay - February 15, 2012

#47… As much as I hate to say it, I’ve felt all along that the JJ run of Star Trek movies would just be 3. For various reasons, length of time between films, success of the actors, writers and JJ himself, etc.

If the movies continue to be big hits, and there is alot of money to be made, then perhaps they will make more. But JJ strikes me as the type that will move on to some other project after his 3 Star Trek movies are made. Maybe I’m wrong. And as you mentioned, the stars will all be commanding large pay checks from their success with Star Trek, and in other projects. It will be hard to see them keeping this going.

Shattner, Nimoy and the rest were not big movie stars outside of Star Trek in the 80’s and 90’s. Therefore there wasn’t as much demand on their time and their value wasn’t being pushed skyward as a result.

50. Spock/Uhura Fan - February 15, 2012

@#48

And I don’t expect you to read through all of my posts on the subject and then realize that I have…

51. Soonerdew - February 15, 2012

Good grief, folks, Pine is in the business of making money, and no one here has any idea of anything at all that’s transpired between him and this company. No one knows who mistreated whom, if anyone.

To assume otherwise is…illogical. :)

Let’s move on.

52. Simpleton - February 15, 2012

I think it’s vulgar to talk about money in such an open manner

53. Anthony Thompson - February 15, 2012

We are only hearing one side of the story here. Right?

54. Red Dead Ryan - February 15, 2012

#45.

Oh, I’ve read your posts. You said that you didn’t think Chris Pine’s legal battles with his former agency was relevent to this site.

But in your original post (#7) you also blame Chris Pine for supposedly not paying the people their fair share for elevating his status in Hollywood and helping him land big roles, including as Captain Kirk and Jack Ryan without knowing all the details. You’ve just assumed that SDB is correct in its allegations when we still haven’t heard the full story, and Pine hasn’t yet said his side of the story either.

Time for you to make good on your promise and move on.

55. Spock/Uhura Fan - February 15, 2012

@#51

Which is a good reason to not be talking/reporting about it in the first place… Most speculation, if not all imho, is illogical…

56. Spock/Uhura Fan - February 15, 2012

@#54

Nice try on the promise thing. I’ve done what I said I would. And when all of the details come out about someone not paying (or by chance maybe paying) their bills, I’m sure you’ll be happy to discuss it here.

And you can still always get lost if you want… :-)

57. Red Dead Ryan - February 15, 2012

#55.

I hope you recognize your own hypocrisy in that statement.

58. Jay - February 15, 2012

#57 LOL…… I was about to say the same thing…. amazing.

59. Spock/Uhura Fan - February 15, 2012

There was no hypocrisy, but you both can think that there is if want.

LOL it all out.

60. Bruce Banner - February 15, 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kse0MG5n9wI

Chris Pine’s next role.

61. N - February 15, 2012

His email was very polite and states they met and he’d already explained he wasn’t happy. How is this evidence against him exactly?
If he owes them money, then he has to be pay it yeah, but they can’t complain about the email.

62. charles charles - February 15, 2012

to be honest I have no idea what is going on, but I hope chris isn’t trying to get away with something. If i were an actor with that talent I’d focus on my legacy in the industry more than the money. Then again not knowing how it feels to be so wealthy on a unique talent is an X factor so yea… Just hope he is being honest.

63. chrisfawkes.com - February 15, 2012

#59 It’s not hypocritical to be talking about why we should not be talking about this?

You’re not Vizzini are you?

64. Jay - February 15, 2012

#63 Or the hypocrisy in saying most speculation is illogical, while speculating that someone is not paying their bills based on one side of the story.

LOL

Or in saying you won’t talk about this anymore…. while continuing to talk about it.

65. Lt. Bailey - February 15, 2012

Its interestigng to compare Pines salary for a ST film vs what Shatner, Nimoy, Kelly, etc got for the first films…. Must be due to inflation.

66. Anthony Pascale - February 15, 2012

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But for the record, we do not get into personal gossip stuff or paparazzi, but to paraphrase the Godfather…this is business. You can be sure that if all the trades are covering a story with Star Trek in the title, we are going to present it here at TrekMovie.com. Not every story is going to be a feel good/Star Trek is great kind of thing. That isn’t what this site is for, we are an independent site covering all things Star Trek. It is always your option to skip stories you are not interested in. There are more stories coming soon today.

67. jr - February 15, 2012

That means he is in the top 1%… taxes will get ‘em anyway.

68. Jay - February 15, 2012

For a blockbuster summer tent pole movie, $1.5 mil is not alot. And that is for the 2013 movie. It doesn’t say what he made for the 2009 Star Trek film, which I would guess would be around $1mil.

Just look at the number of movies that Pine, Zach, Zoe and Karl have made since the 2009 Trek movie. Their careers are definitely on a sharp upward path.

Now, just think by the time the 3rd JJ Abrams Star Trek movie is done, how much money these stars will be commanding. I would not be a bit surprised if by then Pine is getting easilyl $10mil a film and the others not too much less. Probably $5mil each at least.

That is why I think it will be hard to keep this group together beyond 3 films. They are all becoming such big stars outside of Star Trek, that they will be getting staring roles and big pay checks for other movies thrown their way alot. As such, it will be hard to put them all in the same movie and meet their salary demands, unless they all agree to take less than they normally get for starring in other movies.

69. Cervantes - February 15, 2012

The dealings of Pine and his former agency aside, what I find fascinating is the fact that the potential pay for the ‘Jack Ryan’ movies dwarf what is being supposedly paid for the ‘Star Trek’ role…

Who the hell wants more of those ‘Jack Ryan’ movies? Certainly not me, but the ‘powers-that-be’ must think they will make a mint, judging by what they seem to be willing to pay Pine for the role!

Give me more ‘Star Trek’ movies instead Paramount, and hurry up while your at it!

70. Jay - February 15, 2012

#69 From what I remember those movies with Costner were a bigger hit than Star Trek movies. There is just a bigger audience there.

Fortunately, Abrams is increasing the audience for Star Trek, so as was suggested in the story, Pine and the others will probably get a raise for the 2nd and 3rd Trek movie.

Plus, as I was saying, I would expect that over the next few years, Pine’s star power is going to continue rising to the point that he will command quit a big pay check to star in films. The Jack Ryan movies will only enhance that I’m sure.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he is the next Tom Cruse, or Matt Damon

71. Anthony Pascale - February 15, 2012

RE: why Paramount paying more for Ryan
Bear in mind Pine signed on to Star Trek in 2007 before he had starred in any big movies and when he was getting buzz but was not yet a star. Paramount signed Pine to Ryan in 2010 after Trek moved him into the big time. Also Trek is more of an ensemble, whereas he is the key star for the Jack Ryan film. If JJ Abrams were casting a new Star Trek film in 2012, it is likely that Pine would not be affordable as part of an ensemble.

72. Jay - February 15, 2012

#72 Yes exactly what I was getting at in terms of keeping this group together past a 3rd installment.

It’s completely different from the Shattner, Nimoy, Kelley, etc. cast because that cast didn’t star in other films. This cast is all starring in other movies and growing in terms of star power and earning potential.

No one knew in 2007 when they signed on to do Star Trek that it would be a big hit, and that most of the main cast would get so many other roles as a result.

I’m sure they will probably all get a raise, if not for the 2013 movie, definately for the 3rd Abrams Trek film, assuming the 2013 one is as big a hit.

73. GaryP - February 15, 2012

I heard he asked for payment not in American dollars, but in gold-pressed latinum. Smart man.

74. Spock/Uhura Fan - February 15, 2012

@#63

No, it’s not. That’s a separate subject altogether.

@#66

Thank you, but I’ve already given my feedback. It’s your site, so report what you like.

75. Jay - February 15, 2012

Ahhh the irony.

76. Daoud - February 15, 2012

At the end of the third movie… Chris Pine as Kirk experiences something like the D.C. Fontana episode written for Cawley’s Star Trek: Phase 2 with Sulu being trapped in time… So, Kirk disappears via some sacrifice, but returns aged 100 years. And voila… William Shatner! Unlike the P2 script, he isn’t returned to his current age. In the prime universe, he died saving the E-B. In this alt-universe, he doesn’t die at the end of film 3, he just is aged tremendously. Chris Pine is able to move on to other projects, and William Shatner plays Kirk one last time….
.
Or something like that. After 3 movies, where does this new series of films go? John Cho as Captain Sulu on the Excelsior??? Maybe we can get Kal Penn to star as his first officer… heheh.
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As for the reporting of the agency suing Chris… it’s news relating to the production of Star Trek movies, it’s entirely appropriate to be noted here. S/U fan, if it doesn’t appeal to you, it doesn’t appeal to you. Many of us followed completely the 1969 to 1979 era when the only news we had was production news, and new about the actors and their other projects and business interests. You don’t have to enjoy every article.

77. Jay - February 15, 2012

#76 Where does this series go?

Here is my prediction, and I would love to be wrong, but I think this is just the way it goes in Hollywood now.

3rd film released around 2017, with Pine, Zach, Zoe, Karl, etc. all getting pretty good raises, and all having starred in several big movies outside of Star Trek and having become big time stars. Abrams will see that trying to resign this cast for a 4th movie around 2019 or so, will be impossible given the salaries that they will all be commanding at that time. Abrams, given his love of new projects and his love of casting relative unknowns to star in his films, will move on to other projects and be done with Star Trek.

That will leave the franchise to look to someone else to re-cast the main characters again and either reboot, or continue the same story line.

Basically, resigning this group in 2019 will be like Abrams trying to sign Tom Cruse, Matt Damon, Kevin Costner and Russel Crowe in 2007 to do Star Trek. Just too expensive.

78. Spock/Uhura Fan - February 15, 2012

@#75

Indeed.

79. Anthony Thompson - February 15, 2012

Of course, Bob is the one making the ‘real’ money! : )

80. Jeff O'Connor - February 15, 2012

#71

That’s pretty much what I was planning on saying, Anthony. So yeah, ditto.

81. GO - February 15, 2012

If all Chris got for Trek 2009 is 1.5 $M, it’s really HE who should be suing THEM.

Just sayin’…

82. Spock/Uhura Fan - February 15, 2012

@#76

I know I don’t have to enjoy every posting here, and there are many that I skip already because they just don’t fit me. Okay, fine, no biggie. What articles fit the site is a different issue and question. But, it looks like that issue/question’s been answered here, so there it is… I don’t have to agree.

83. Jeff O'Connor - February 15, 2012

#77

I know it might sound a little optimistic after how long it’s taken to go from the first film to the second, but I think the third will be a bit quicker out of the gate. Trilogies these days seem to do this often — a first film is a big enough success to warrant more but since there was no guarantee that that would be the case, the cast and crew sign up for plenty of other things. Then the second happens, and so naturally the third follows, and they’re tied together a bit more and happen faster because of the more guaranteed financial success involved.

That said, this is the Abrams team we’re talking about, and Abrams, Orci and Kurtzman (and so forth) all like to have their hands in several cookie jars at once. Plus Pine is going to be in the Jack Ryan films too… and it’s not like the rest of the cast isn’t keeping busy as well. So yeah, it could go either way, but I think there’s now an increased chance that we’ll be seeing the third film around late 2015- early 2016 as opposed to later than that.

84. Jay - February 15, 2012

Hey Anthony, it’s your site so you can post what you want.

But, don’t post this because I don’t like it. And that other thing I didn’t like either, don’t post that. Can’t believe you post stuff like that.

But hey, it’s your site so do what you want.

Oh, and I’m done talking about this. Except for the next 100 posts where I will repeat that I’m done talking about it.

85. Jay - February 15, 2012

#82 You may be right. Considering that the longer they wait, the more money these actors will be commanding because of other roles they get, that will probably put more pressure on Paramount and Abrams to get the 3rd one done sooner.

But still, I think after that, it will be nearly impossible to do a 4th with this cast, unless they all agree to some group discount price, probably as part of an extension of their contract before the 3rd movie. Even then, I think a 4th Star Trek with this group would just about be the maximum we could realistically expect.

86. Spock/Uhura Fan - February 15, 2012

Jay, that is NOT what I was saying or would EVER say.

Congratulations! You just fit another poster’s description of a Straw Man post.

87. Anthony Pascale - February 15, 2012

Spock/Uhura Fan
20 posts (almost 1 out of 4) on this thread with you repeating yourself are enough…at this point you are just trolling…everyone else stop feeding it.

Discussion on site posting policy goes to
http://trekmovie.com/about/feedback-2/

88. THX-1138 - February 15, 2012

Wow.

There is an ancient Chinese proverb that goes as follows:

“If you don’t like what’s on TV, change the channel.”

Seriously, just like the other articles on this site, if I am not interested in their subject matter I simply don’t read them. And I have enough brains to not comment on an article that I’m not interested in by saying “I’m not interested in this.” It’s almost as bad as those “First!” idiots.

You see, those kind of comments make you seem ignorant and self-absorbed. As if everyone else who very well may be interested in the subject at hand needs to know that you think the things that interest them are of no importance.

So show a little bit of “netiquette” and don’t flame an article with comments like that. Let’s all put our big girl and big boy pants on and act like a part of a community.

BTW, this isn’t about Pine not paying his bills. It is about the financial relationship between the actor that plays captain Kirk in the Star Trek films and his (former) agent and just what they owe each other legally. In the worse case scenario who knows. Maybe it fraks up the production of this and possible future Star Trek movies.

And that just might be relevant to any Star Trek discussion.

89. Phil - February 15, 2012

@71. Further, CP hasn’t had to carry a movie yet. Unstoppable was a bit of a dud, and he had Denzel Washington on board. Paramount is probably keeping a close eye on This Means War, if that underperforms I’m guessing the payday for the Jack Ryan character is negotiable…..

90. Jay - February 15, 2012

#87 Sorry.

91. Spock/Uhura Fan - February 15, 2012

@#87

I’ll move along from this thread, then. But, I don’t think having to repeat the same point to distortions of my initial posts constitutes trolling…

92. Trekker5 - February 15, 2012

Wow!! I wouldn’t mind livin’ the life of Pine!! That’s BIG bucks man!! I’d like to be paid that much for being a fan!

93. T'Cal - February 15, 2012

So far, the only thing that has stuck out for me on this posting is The Six Million Dollar Man references. I would love to see a serious take on that as a film. A while back, there was a rumor about a comedic version of it starring Ji Carey. Apparently this horrible idea never got rolling, thank God.

Sorry. Blame my Attention Deficit something something…

94. Phil - February 15, 2012

@77. The producers have said repeatedly that they don’t anticipate doing more then three movies. This cast isn’t Shatner/Nimoy and others, who had nothing else going on in their careers by the time they hit the big screen. Paramount will produce the movies if they are making money, the only real question is will the movies generate enough interest to prod CBS to get a show back on TV.

95. Jay - February 15, 2012

#89 I liked Unstoppable, but you are right he wasn’t the star of the movie with Denzel there.

I think he is on the edge of blowing up. “This Means War” is something I will wait to rent. It’s hard for me to spend what it takes to go to movies these days on a romantic comedy. Seeing it on a big screen TV is just as good as at the theater IMHO.

But with Jack Ryan, that could be his Top Gun.

96. Vultan - February 15, 2012

#94

Hopefully CBS gets the message sooner rather than later. Remember, it took 4 movies before TNG was given the green light.

97. Jay - February 15, 2012

#93 Yeah they could do something with that. Speaking of Jim Carey… and this is way off topic… what happened to the Three Stooges movie with him? I thought it was suppose to be set in the 20’s and 30’s and be about the lives of the guys that starred in the Three Stooges TV series. You know? How they became the Three Stooges, what it was like for them.

Then I see this crap previewed the other day for the Three Stooges movie they did instead. Exactly what I was fearing. A modern version of the show itself. I can’t imagine that there is more than 10 minutes of funny material in that whole movie.

98. dscott - February 15, 2012

Joe Dirt says… daaang!

99. Horatio - February 15, 2012

Jack Ryan is worth more than James T Kirk?

The world is indeed a screwed up place.

100. brady - February 15, 2012

He does seem to have been underpaid, unknown or not, considering the franchise and what the going rate for hollywood is these days. Hopefully for him he will renegotiate further films down the road.

101. Phil - February 15, 2012

@95. Well, CP is sharing sccreen time with Tom Hardy and Reese Witherspoon, too, so he still hasn’t headlined yet. If it’s a dud I’m not sure that CP is in a position to be commanding tens of millions a picture yet. When I think Chris Pine the Harrison Ford comparion does not come to mind.

102. AJ - February 15, 2012

This site is right in covering the non-fantasy side of Star Trek, whether it’s Walter Koenig’s family tragedy, Avery Brooks’s DUI, a Nimoy exhibit, or this.

Reading the article, it seems Pine could be in some heavy bantha poodoo if SDB got him the Trek and Jack Ryan gigs. What the article does not say is whether or not Pine intends to fulfill his contractual obligations after the fact.

SDB could be using this as a way to generate publicity for itself. The e-mail looks pretty heartfelt, and is probably now just the beginning of a legal paper trail.

Also, Pine’s schedule is essentially sewn up for the next decade unless they shoot the Ryan films simultaneously. I’m sure it will be settled.

103. portho's bitch - February 15, 2012

I belivve the original budget for st:tmp was for 12 million…. in tne end production costs exceeded 42 million ( some creative book keeping on paramounts part.. they included the aborted production cost of st: phase 2) I would not be suprised if shatner and nimoy pocketed a million each ( they had an equal pay clauseand if I remember dekelly got 80%)… even more if figured into todays dollars.

In order to lock down the cast the money is well worth it.

104. Jay - February 15, 2012

#101 Sharing screen time, but playing the lead role.

Of course there is always a chance it could fail, but so far Chris has been on a very steep upward trajectory with his career, and I expect it will continue through to the 3rd Star Trek film.

The tens of millions per film that I suggested was after the 3rd Star Trek movie and presumably a couple Jack Ryan movies and who knows what else over the next 7 years. Sure it could go south for him, but Star Trek and Jack Ryan are pretty successfull franchises, so I’m betting he comes out pretty good.

105. Bob Tompkins - February 15, 2012

One would almost think that his new agency would have advised Mr. Pine to take care of his obligation to his former agency. There is so much dickery in Hollywood. Someone on the rise as Pine is should want to do the right thing especially during the time building his image should be paramount.

106. Jay - February 15, 2012

#105 I just don’t see any suggestion that Pine did anything wrong.

I’m suspecting that this sort of thing goes on all the time without it ever being made public.

He basically decided he didn’t like what he was getting from his agency and fired them. Pro athletes do this all the time. I’m sure actors do also.

I’m sure Pine feels he paid them, or is in the process of paying them, what he owes. Obviously they will probably say he owes more. That is for the judge to decide and then it will be done.

107. NCM - February 15, 2012

67. jr – February 15, 2012

“That means he is in the top 1%… taxes will get ‘em anyway.”

Yeah, no wonder the rich can’t get ahead and stay ahead.

(Not a ‘Tax the Rich’ chanter, but I couldn’t resist.)

108. jamesingeneva - February 15, 2012

LOL @ Trolling… Let’s hope Chris remembers where he got his big break and pays due where it deserves. Based on the agencies behavior I’m inclined to think there was good reason to part ways and as long as he fulfilled his contractual obligations, stick it to them. I hate all the frivelous lawsuits these days. I wish the folks involved in Trek hopped in here like @BobOrci or Chris Doohan do from time to time. TrekMovie is a great site and it would be awesome for the folks that enjoy a good living on our fandom to visit the fans from time to time just to say hello. Wishful thinking I know… Hope you all are having a good week, and for all the flamers, hop on HBOGo and watch Trek, you’ll feel better! All the TOS movies are available :)

109. Phil - February 15, 2012

@104. you know what the irony of this thread is? JJ Abrams directing/producing career has been fairly short, he gets raked over the coals fairly regulary here by (cough) fans who think is is coming up short for a numbeer of reasons, yet CP has plenty of defenders here, even though his filmography would suggest he isn’t quite leading man money just yet. In my opinion, there seems to be a willingness to magnify JJ’s defecencies while overlooking CP’s, which is misplaced….

110. MJ - February 15, 2012

Hey lawyers — this means war!

111. Bucky - February 15, 2012

Attaboy, Pine! You be rollin’ deep! Bling bling!

112. Keachick - rose pinenut (F) - February 15, 2012

I don’t believe the actual contents of Chris Pine’s email to SDB are public knowledge. The Agency just report that he sent them an email stating that he no longer required their services. The Agency are disgruntled because he did not talk to them on the telephone as well, which appears to be one of the reasons why they are suing him. Huh? The email is the equivalent to a letter delivered by snail mail in the not so olden days and would, I think, be considered just as legal as a letter and surely even more so than a phone call.

There are two things that bother me about this lawsuit. I guess it comes back to me not fully understanding how these agencies operate but the intent of the lawsuit strikes me as being a bit off.

One is – how much is it due to an Agency efforts on behalf of their client, in this case, Chris Pine, in securing him work over the nine years and how much is it to do with Chris Pine himself?

– The Agency has opened doors for him – like send him on auditions, which he may not have been to go to otherwise. However, once he is there, it is all up to him to either succeed or fail at any audition. The Agency, no more than his own father, can do it for him, or for any other actor. Chris is doing the work and the workouts in the gym etc.

After Star Trek, he played the lead role in Welcome to People and one of the writers was Alex Kurtzman and both Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci are two of the movie’s producers. Did SDB have anything to do, I wonder, with Chris getting the part as Sam in the movie? After he knew the two main people involved in the production through their work on Star Trek. Yet SDB are seeking their cut/commission from WTP.

Question – because Chris Pine was signed with the Agency, does that mean they have a right to receiving their 10% commission in any and every film Chris Pine makes, irrespective of how much input they had in him getting the role and salary in the first place? If so, is this a standard contractual agreement that any wannabe actor gets to sign for all the Agencies?

Another question – How can an Agency pursue a person for money they have not yet earned? In an article about this issue, SDB is seeking money for all 23 projects that Chris Pine MAY be involved in, in the future, simply because someone introduced him to someone else who had an idea for a play, movie, whatever. Not even the Jack Ryan movie has been announced yet. At this stage, I don’t even know if the first one will even be made. So am I to assume here that even 20, 30 years down the line, if Chris Pine finds himself going ahead with any of these 23 tentative projects, that this agency is going to be pursuing him for their cut? The Agency doesn’t have to have done a single scrap of work on his behalf in the meantime, but still expect their cut. For what?

Two words come to mind – Parasite and Extortion.

I wonder if this is what will be fought out in the Los Angeles Superior Court. The findings of the Court could have quite *interesting* implications for both actors/others and the Agencies.

113. Kev-1 - February 15, 2012

Aren’t Chris Hemsworth and Karl Urban the breakout stars of Trek 2009? They’re already carrying films. And Shatner, Nimoy, et al. didn’t pop into existence on September 8, 1966; they had extensive film, Broadway radio play and TV exposure beforehand. Shatner had a TV lead (For the People) and could have been Dr. Kildare. They all had previous careers and brought Trek into films to boot.

114. MJ - February 15, 2012

@112 “The Agency just report that he sent them an email stating that he no longer required their services. The Agency are disgruntled because he did not talk to them on the telephone as well, which appears to be one of the reasons why they are suing him. Huh? The email is the equivalent to a letter delivered by snail mail in the not so olden days and would, I think, be considered just as legal as a letter and surely even more so than a phone call. ”

How do you know any of this? Aren’t you always the one bitching about me using conjecture on other issues concerning the sequel and Suprme Court? I guess it is OK to pull factoids out of your butt if handsome Chris Pine is involved, eh Keachick? :-)

115. Orly - February 15, 2012

I’m surprised at how low Pine’s salary is for Star Trek. No wonder Benicio walked.

116. AJ - February 15, 2012

112:

Keachick:

The e-mail is available via the link to the full article.

117. Hermioni - February 15, 2012

@ #66 Anthony Pascale – February 15, 2012

“… …this is business. You can be sure that if all the trades are covering a story with Star Trek in the title, we are going to present it here at TrekMovie.com. Not every story is going to be a feel good/Star Trek is great kind of thing. That isn’t what this site is for, we are an independent site covering all things Star Trek. …”

Anthony, if I may I would like to give you a big round of applause for proving your point through your editorial decision to actually carry this news item!

Kudos!!

118. Phil - February 15, 2012

@112. I’ll keep it simple for you. SDB believes CP is in breach of contract, so they sued. If CP believed he could terminate his contract for cause by dropping SDB an e-mail, that could end up being a very costly mistake on CP’s part. 90% of your post is conjecture, this will be settled out of court, and life in Hollywood will go on.

Answer to first question. Yes. SDB was CP’s contractual representative, so they get paid until the business relationship ends.

Answer to second question. As long as the contract is in force, yes.

119. Commodore Redshirt - February 15, 2012

These are the kinds of production details I love to read. Thanks Anthony.

120. Magic_Al - February 15, 2012

Comparing Pine’s deal to Shatner and Nimoy is apples to oranges. The audience for the original Star Trek movies wanted to see the original Star Trek actors. Shatner and Nimoy have a monopoly on the worldwide supply of original Kirk and Spock. Delivering that value was built into Shatner’s and Nimoy’s prices. If the goal was to do original Star Trek, they were irreplaceable. Chris Pine had no such leverage. All the characters were being recast. If Chris Pine priced himself too high, there were other actors capable of being the new Kirk.

121. Phil - February 15, 2012

@120. Agreed. If whoever gave CP the appalingly bad bit of advice to terminate a contract by e-mail is also telling him to hold out for more Trek money, he could be replaced tomorrow, and no one would miss him.

122. Dee - lvs moon' surface - February 15, 2012

112. Keachick… It seems that someone has given all the information to the site THR …

the e-mail:

“After much thought and consideration, I have decided that it is best for me to leave. I hope that you will understand that this decision was very difficult for me to make because I owe much of the success in my career to all of you. At our last group meeting I explained that I was frustrated and needed more than what I was getting from the agency. I thought that with some time, perhaps, my feelings might change but unfortunately they have not. Please know that I recognize what great advocates you have been for me and that you have invested your time and energy into building my career. None of this do I take lightly or for granted. That is why this has been so agonizing for me. I hope that you can respect my decision and accept it as final.
I wish you, Steven, Ro and Susie nothing but the best. Have a wonderful holiday season and a happy new year. If you need to discuss anything further please contact, John.
WIth [sic] much appreciation and gratitude,”

123. Anthony Thompson - February 15, 2012

Grousing in a lawsuit about an email versus phone call seems like a personal rather than a professional response.

As for the monies owed them, aren’t those built into the contracts they negotiate for Pine? I can’t believe he would be writing his agents a check from time to time! LOL.

124. Anthony Thompson - February 15, 2012

And, BTW, a decade is a long run for an agent – actor relationship. I’m sure they made plenty of money off him!

125. Maggz - February 15, 2012

This is misleading, if you actually see the full email he sent his agents (its published on the web) he had already met with his agents in person to discuss his future and expressed his concerns. The email was merely him confirming what he’d already brought up and officially ending the contract. It is pretty standard to email or write to someone to cancel any arrangement and this is what he was doing. The second he did that they spat the dummy and started proceedings to sue.

126. Phil - February 15, 2012

A contract is going to spell out how to end the relationship, and it’s very unlikely that “drop us an e-mail” is in there. Chris, there is a reason you pay your lawyer for the contractual advice, maybe next time you should listen to him instead of your personal flunky.. That will give you more time to take care of your pretty boy stuff.

127. Keachick - rose pinenut (F) - February 15, 2012

#124 – I agree. What has his manager been doing all this time, apart from no doubt banking his own pay cheque received from Chris for services not necessarily rendered? Let’s hope that Chris read the fineprint. It appears that he may not have or has and does not agree with it and is prepared to have it sorted it out in a court of law. Risky…

All a bit strange really.

I don’t think a great many other actors could play Kirk. As with William Shatner playing Kirk, some actors are not so easily replaced.

128. Keachick - rose pinenut (F) - February 15, 2012

#127 What makes a telephone call a better way of ending a contract than sending an email? To me, an email makes more sense and is more professional. What “personal flunky”? His manager, John Carrabino? What “pretty boy stuff”?

129. dmduncan - February 15, 2012

I don’t know the details about the case, but that’s never stopped me from commenting on anything before, so what the hell.

Sounds like sour gripes to me. What’s the difference between putting it in an email or a formal letter? SDB Partners makes it sound like Pine owes them for his DNA.

130. SoonerDew - February 15, 2012

I love how everyone on this thread has suddenly become a legal expert in the matters of entertainment law and legal representation.

Unless someone here has a copy of Pine’s contract with the agency, the greater truth is that everyone here is talking through their hat about what is or isn’t legal, binding, or even relevant.

I’m delighted the story is being reported, but I’m not about to pretend I “know” how this issue “should” have been handled legally.

Seriously, folks.

Only $1M for Trek? Geez, I’d have done it for $500K.

131. Phil - February 15, 2012

Well, if the early reviews and box office for This Means War are any indication, the lawyers may be fighting over a whole lot of nothing. This is starting to remind me of the college quarterback who wants pro money without actually having done anything to earn it.

Lets not forget that prior to Star Trek, CP was just another starving actor, and not worth a whole heck of a lot…..

132. Phil - February 15, 2012

@127. Shatner had close to 40 years with Kirk. Pine has had a bit over two hours. As far as the role of Kirk goes, if Pine fell over dead tomorrow they would easily be able to replace him.

133. Chingatchkook - February 15, 2012

If those numbers are anywhere close, then I think that I’m in the wrong business. (sigh)…I should have stayed with high school drama class!

134. Red Dead Ryan - February 15, 2012

#132.

If Pine dropped dead tomorrow, the “Star Trek” sequel would be scrapped. I agree with Keachick–there would be very FEW actors suitable for the role of Kirk. J.J Abrams and the cast probably wouldn’t want to work with another actor in the role of Kirk while still mourning Pine. They’d want to move on, and Paramount would “retire” the role of Kirk for the foreseeable future to honor the memory of Chris Pine.

135. Dennis Bailey - February 15, 2012

#7: “But, we can all look at how an actor is (poorly) treating the agency that helped bring him to stardom by failing to pay them their salaries even though that (and his salaries) doesn’t really have much of anything to do with the content of the films…”

Yes, if you’re willing to form a conclusion entirely by reading only the complaint of one side – which is what you’re doing here.

Is “Princess Diaries II” the *only* or *best* example that the agency can come up with for significant feature work they landed for Pine? *Really?*

136. Phil - February 15, 2012

@130. Well, CP had a contract, chose to disolve it unconventionally, and got sued for breach of contract because of the potential money involved. It doesn’t take a legal expert to figure that out, just like suggesting this will turn into some sort of courtroom drama is also silly. The suits will reach an out of court settlement, and life will go on…..

137. Dee - lvs moon' surface - February 15, 2012

#129.

Yes .. and besides in the e-mail CP makes it clear that he and his agents had talked about his discontent with the agency’s work in relation to him … they should not be shown surprised with the outcome of the situation … seems kind of ridiculous they expect that CP was more emotional about it … as was said in some comments here that in the end is a business relationship… anyway he acknowledged in the e-mail that he should be grateful to them, and he expressed that…

e-mail or phone call? … better e-mail in this case … I think … is written for the record … ;-) :-)

138. Dennis Bailey - February 15, 2012

#136: “Well, CP had a contract, chose to disolve it unconventionally, and got sued for breach of contract because of the potential money involved. It doesn’t take a legal expert to figure that out…”

Yep, the fact that it’s so simple to divine the facts by superficial reading of an online article is the reason that it’s so damned difficult for lawyers to find work in Los Angeles…

139. Phil - February 15, 2012

@134. Sorry to disagree, but there have been plenty of times where the actor cast to play a role has died, and was replaced. Chris Pine has played Kirk once, that is hardly enough to propel Mr. Pine into the status of Hollywood icon. The current cast is done after their third movie anyway, so yeah, I think they could re-cast these guys if they had to.

140. SoonerDEW - February 15, 2012

@136

And *you* have a copy of CP’s contract that stipulates the terms under which either party can terminate it? Or what constitutes proper notification of an intent to terminate? You cannot say that he “chose to dissolve it unconventionally,” because you have no idea if or how he actually “terminted it.”

The point is neither you nor anyone else has any idea whatsoever of the kinds of communication – written or otherwise – that may have gone on between the parties and that are not known or reported here or anywhere else. We have one email. Perhaps the terms of his contract stated that was sufficient. Perhaps his lawyer delivered a letter previously stipulating allegations of material breaches on their part.

We don’t know.

We know there was an email. We now know there’s a lawsuit.

The rest is pointless speculation.

141. Phil - February 15, 2012

@138. The only point I’ve been trying to make is that whoever suggested to CP that he could cancel a contract by sending off an e-mail gave him some reallly bad advice. If he was coming up on the renewal term, you have your lawyer give the required notice. If you have cause, you have your lawyer document it, and give notice, at which point he probably would have been sued anyway. Regardless, it’ll be settled out of court. This stuff happens all the time…..

142. Phil - February 15, 2012

@140. See post 141. And the entire thread is nothing but speculation. Maybe we should talk about the weather…..

143. Keachick - rose pinenut (F) - February 15, 2012

#140 Of course they could recast the present actors if they had to. Yes, death can bring on many changes…However, as can be seen from all the discussions on this site over the last couple of years, each actor brings their own quality to a character that is not quite the same as the first actor who played the character. Some people like the differing style that a different actor brings while others find this style difficult to accept. It doesn’t resonate with them as well.

I don’t see Chris Pine as a Hollywood icon, whatever that means.

144. Bob Tompkins - February 15, 2012

141. Phil – February 15, 2012
Yes it does happen all the time.
The contract probably spelled out what Pine had to do to cancel his representation contract and the company obviously feels that he did not follow the letter of the contract.
As far as my earlier ‘dickery’ comment, I don’t put it all on one side or the other; Hollywood is all about the $$$$ on each side of pretty much every argument. As with every legal case, the only ones who will really benefit are the attorneys.

145. Cygnus-X1 - February 15, 2012

Eh, whatevs. All relatively moderate numbers for the industry. Big whoop.

SDB could take a lesson from “No-Drama Obama.”

Quit your whining, SDB. There are plenty more talented people out there for you to exploit.

146. Phil - February 15, 2012

@144…”My daddy is a movie actor, and sometimes he plays the good guy, and sometimes he plays the lawyer.”

— Malcolm Ford, to his preschool classmates on what his father, actor Harrison Ford, does for a living.

147. N - February 15, 2012

@134 Possible but I’d say doubtful. At the end of the day JJ and co aren’t funding this film and they don’t own the rights to the franchise. I’d imagine if they studio had enough riding on it, they’d replace as many people as possible to keep it going. Directors, producers, actors, writers, they’re all expendable at the end of the day.
Depends how much everyone wants their pay cheques really.

148. Maggz - February 15, 2012

@139 I cannot imagine anyone playing the young Kirk other than Chris Pine now. I was really hesitant about them making Star Trek again with new actors but Pine and Quinto completely blew me away and are perfect casting. For me at least if either were replaced any movies with a replacement would not have the same appeal and I would be amazed if they could re-create the chemistry that those guys had on-screen. I think Chris Pine is absolutely perfect as Kirk.

149. Keachick - rose pinenut (F) - February 15, 2012

#142 How do you know that his lawyer didn’t document the formal notice given by email?

It is this SDB talk about the fact he was not courteous enough to ring them (as if “How could he? We feel so hurt.”) which sounds somewhat unprofessional, and, at the same time, filing a lawsuit in an attempt to extract millions of dollars from him on “commissionable” projects he has not even done yet and which may never get done by him.

If you look at his filmography on IMDb or on Wikipedia, he has done quite a bit of work since 2002, some of it just small guest roles on a TV series and others where he plays leading roles in a movie. SDB claim correctly that they got Chris this work and I assume they were paid for their services throughout this time.

Someone here said that he should pay up because the Agency worked their butt off to get him any work. Well, frankly, I don’t think the Agency had to necessarily work that hard to get him work once people saw the little that he did. Producers, directors, casting people became aware that there was this young pimply but also very good looking actor who could play a variety of roles. Chris Pine has worked his butt off! He may not have earned the big money but the work appeared to be fairly regular and so too would have the percentage commissions that the Agency received as a result of Chris Pine’s efforts. Chris Pine has been the one working his butt off. Jane Seymour noted his talent and commitment to a role … Blind Dating as the blind guy, Danny.

150. John from Cincinnati - February 15, 2012

If Chris Pine is replaced it would be the end of the movie franchise. Like so many others love to say, “well we’ll always have the original series to look at on DVD”

151. Phil - February 15, 2012

@149. Right. Because we all know that e-mail is the safest, most secure way to deliver sensitive legal materials. This suit will never see the inside of a courtroom, the lawyers will work up a settlement, and CP will be a few bucks poorer and hopefully a bit wiser the next time he changes representatives. I feel like I’m repeating myself….

152. Gary S. - February 15, 2012

Personally,I would have had one last face to face meeting and parted as amicably as I could .
I hope this legal matter is settled quickly and decisvely to everybodys
satisfaction

153. jas_montreal - February 15, 2012

rofl. Trekmovie was once a site about relevant star trek news… and more about Celebrity news (Avery Brooks arrested…. Chris Pine sued)…. Anyways.

154. Buzz Cagney - February 15, 2012

#7 you are certainly spending enough time posting for someone who isn’t interested.

155. Khan was Framed! - February 15, 2012

You know, I don’t remember Chris Pine ever trying to find out what I make for a living.

This is none of our business.

I feel dirty for having read this.

I am going to go shower now.

156. Jack - February 16, 2012

Well, the site isn’t actually breaking the story — it’s doing what this site usually does: writing stories about stories (related to Trek or its stars) that appear on other sites…

And, there is a TrekMovie news hook (Pine’s Trek salary).

It’s news. It’s out there. It’s not a rumour on a blog — court documents have been filed. It hasn’t been proven in court. So the story is that the suit is claiming that Pine… etc.

Alas, when a well-known figure gets sued, it’s news. Just as the results of the lawsuit will likely be news. When a well-known figure gets arrested (Brooks), it’s
news. And, again, these stories are out there — they’ve already been broken.

157. Anthony Thompson - February 16, 2012

126. Phil

Wow. The last time you were so worked up about something is when you predicted here that the sequel wouldn’t start shooting in mid – January. LOL!

158. Greenberg - February 16, 2012

Someone should sue them for being a talent agency and failing to uncover new talent.

159. VulcanFilmCritic - February 16, 2012

@47@49 @68 @77

Yeah, all agree that the current crop of actors will probably price themselves out of any film beyond the third. So we should keep our eyes on the box office for this second film. I doubt that it will be in the Avatar range, so unlimited compensation for the stars is just not possible.

Also the fatigue factor. Even Sam Raimi who LOVED Spider-Man was exhausted by the time he made the Spider-Man Three. It’s not like the days of James Bond where you could get a new actor from time to time.

So where does that leave Star Trek? Well, I plan to enjoy this brief ride while it lasts, but as for expecting anything in the future, I’m not hopeful.
I’m not into gaming. I don’t really enjoy the Star Trek novels. And the comics fuggedaboudit!

The major problem with Star Trek is the lack of a dream wafting it to anything more than action flick. That was then, when we had a space program, and real optimism about the future. We just can’t easily go back to that time and recreate the excitement that existed in the 1960’s about space exploration. Even 2001: A Space Odyssey was inspired by Arthur C. Clark’s dreams.

Better to hope for a new dream. Maybe finding some form of life outside of Earth will be the new beginning. Maybe competing with the Chinese for domination of the moon will be. Or maybe something we can’t imagine now.

As of this moment, I’m more excited about Prometheus, than Star Trek.

160. VZX - February 16, 2012

159: Yeah, the current cast and filmmakers will just make the three movies. I’m cool with that, I like trilogies. Three is good enough.

I would think that after that Star Trek should just return to the TV screen with a new cast and crew. It is logicial.

161. Jay - February 16, 2012

#126 Talk about pure conjecture. You have no idea what you are talking about. You act as if you read his talent contract.

You also have no idea what was discussed in person to person meetings prior to that email. You have no idea what if any phone calls were made between CP and his agents or their respective lawers.

You are completely making up the possibility that some “flunky” told him to fire his agents like they are a bunch of half drunk college kids saying “hey screw them!! Yeah that would be cool!!”

It sounds from the email that this had been an ongoing issue and that CP had expressed his concerns previously. For all you, or anyone else here knows, CP could have been telling them this for years.

Also, I seriously doubt there is anything as specific in a talent contract as to how you have to terminate it. It sounds like he told them in person, possibly through multiple meetings and then simply finalized it in email, in writing.

Again, I see nothing other than SDB’s griping that points to CP doing anything wrong. The only question is how much money is owed. Either they will settle, which is most likely, or a judge will decide and everyone moves on.

162. Jay - February 16, 2012

#151 Probably because you keep repeating rediculous stuff.

You keep asserting two things that you have no idea about. 1. That someone “advised” CP to terminate his contract via email. 2. That he actually did that.

Neither fact is known, yet you keep slamming CP as if they are.

Again, as several people have pointed out, you have no idea what was discussed in person to person meetings previous to this, or for how long CP and his lawers had been voicing complaints to the agency.

The email that we do know about could be the final confirmation of dozens of letters/meetings/phone calls about this that you have no knowledge of.

163. rogue_alice - February 16, 2012

Hey, I consider this news. So thanks Anthony!

164. Vultan - February 16, 2012

#159

“As of this moment, I’m more excited about Prometheus, than Star Trek.”

Me too!

165. Phil - February 16, 2012

@157. Not worked up at all, actually. What I’m predicting here is that this will be settled out of court. Kinda liking my chances this time….

166. Phil - February 16, 2012

@161, 162…..You all seem to keep missing my point, it’s going to be settled out of court. This sort of thing happens all the time. But seeing how you offered up some speculation of your own….
You are assuming I’ve never been party to the dissolving of a service contract (no, not talent). I have, we won, and it was messy.
Oh, and young celebs/atheletes just never, never surround themselves with hangers on who dish out bad advice. It’s silly to even consider the possibility, so yeah, my bad there….
And yeah, and contract is loaded with language very specific to it’s termination, precisely to avoid these problems. People end up suing when it turns into a pissing match, which again is why they end up settling. One does not have to have read the contract to know that…

167. Vultan - February 16, 2012

Strangely enough, Prometheus and Trek ’09 have a lot in common—both rebooting their respective franchises with a prequel/origin story, both using a cast of young up and coming actors, etc.

Though somehow… I don’t think Prometheus will have as happy an ending….

168. Adolescent Nightmare - February 16, 2012

They deserve raises for the fourth one if that’s really all they’re getting.

169. Jay - February 16, 2012

#166 And you keep asserting, and assuming that those conditions were not met. You have no idea if they were or not.

170. Phil - February 16, 2012

@169. Well, if they had been met, there really would not be any reason to sue, now would there?

171. AdamTrek - February 16, 2012

Anybody here know the standard fees for agency rates on representation for actors? And is it the same for all actors?

=A=

172. N - February 16, 2012

171 My guess would be 10-20%

173. Buzz Cagney - February 16, 2012

#81 $1.5m + One Big Break= one very happy and now highly employable man!

174. Dee - lvs moon' surface - February 16, 2012

#165. Phil…

I hope you’re right this time … that they do it the best way possible ……..

…………….but the lamentation of SDB Partners about how CP was insensitive because he dismissed them with an e-mail that was definitely ridiculous and unprofessional … must be why they are so far only a “boutique of talents”…

…………they did not get good projects for CP lately… just be aware of his career to realize this… perhaps CP was referring to this in the e-mail…”At our last group meeting I explained that I was frustrated and needed more than what I was getting from the agency.”… …
…………………….

Anyway he was with them for almost 10 years, a reasonable time to have stayed there… and it seems he did not move quickly to another agency… at least until the end of January he had not signed with another… with all this legal trouble with the SDB, it may take a little longer he gets another agency… it seems that SDB is interested in spreading the image that he is an ungrateful man ..

175. trekgeezer - February 16, 2012

This new cast will most likely be gone by the third film if it even gets made.

They aren’t typecast and are in demand for other projects.

176. chrisfawkes.com - February 16, 2012

One of the things that was very evident in This Means War is just how strong Chris Pines screen presence is.

Even though it was comedy he came off as a strong powerful guy. They did well to cast him with Tom Hardy for that reason.

I would like to see that portrayed more in the next Star Trek.

In the first he did have to play the punk ass kid having to grow up. Hopefully we see a more commanding captain Kirk throughout the next installment.

177. chrisfawkes.com - February 16, 2012

@175

I’m not sure they could bow out for the third film. Apart from contractual obligations either.

I think they are all good actors and i am speculating to some degree here but currently their other roles are coming on the coat tails of Star Trek. Meaning they are for the most part all much smaller movies.

Michael Keaton is a good actor but he did small movies (Beetlejuice excepted) then once he was playing Batman he was getting lead roles in other films because he was the lead in a major franchise.

Once he bailed as Batman it seemed like he was dropped like a hot potato.

Now had he stuck around for a few more films he may have picked up a few more lead part and one of those may have been his defining role, the one that set his career in concrete.

I know Pine is also going to be Jack Ryan but we have no idea what the results of that will be. It may be what projects his career or it may just be another gig that comes up while the spotlight afforded by Trek is on him.

I think Pine, Quinto, Saldana, Yelchin, Urban etc are all great but staying with Trek could be a good career move for more that a couple more movies.

178. Harry Ballz - February 16, 2012

Hollywood is NOT a team sport.

179. No Khan - February 16, 2012

#47 He almost moved on after the first one. I don’t think he will do a third unless its a story he’s interested in telling.

180. The Unknown Poster - February 16, 2012

They could resign them if they base part of the salary on percentage of merchandise etc. Making $10 million for a regular movie versus $6 million for Star Trek plus all the merchandising could be a lot more.

Or they sign the three main cast and re-cast the others with cheaper actors if need be.

Or, after 3 movies, they re-launch on TV with the intent of the TV show being able to move onto movies after a few years.

181. AJ - February 16, 2012

175:

I don’t think these guys are going anywhere. The Trek films are high-profile, prestigious and well-paying. And the paycheck is guaranteed. There is also a deal in place for a trilogy, though how watertight that is is unknown.

I can see JJ Abrams not directing the 3rd film, and simply Exec Producing. I think he’ll be looking for the ‘next big step’ for his own career.

182. Red Dead Ryan - February 16, 2012

After three movies, the actors and Supreme Court will move on. Bob has said he doesn’t want to overstay his welcome, and the actors have other high profile gigs lined up, specifically Zoe Saldana with the “Avatar” sequels, which is her true film franchise. Chris Pine has Jack Ryan, though whether that movie ever gets made is up for debate. But I suspect he’ll have numerous other offers for action movies come his way. Zachary Quinto has his own production company and obviously wants to make his own independent movies, and the rest of the cast will continue to find roles as well.

Remember, while these folks are obviously grateful for having done “Star Trek” which allowed their careers to flourish and status to rise, they are actors first. Actors need and want to expand their horizons as wide as they can. They don’t want to keep doing the same thing over and over if they have the opportunity to do something different. They don’t want to be typecast and pigeonholed.

J.J Abrams has so many other projects to get started on, he’s obviously at some point going to hand off the “Star Trek” film franchise to someone else.

I think that it will be three-and-done for the cast and crew. Assuming the second movie is a hit.

183. n1701ncc - February 16, 2012

why is this news worthy???? Do I really need to know how much the actors make for the movies. They all make way too much for me. Being able to get millions of dollars for 60 days of acting. Pretty good pay day. Meanwhile us trekies who support the movies make nothing close to movie actors money and we work all year. Somehow seems unequal..oh yeah in 23rd century money was eliminated. Some how that seems too far fetched.

184. chrisfawkes.com - February 16, 2012

I could be wrong but i think Avatar is a one hit wonder. I doubt anyone will want more of the same whereas Trek done right will live on forever.

Or at least for avatar it will be a case of diminishing returns.

But i’ve been wrong before so don’t be surprised.

What i would love to see is Tarantino do a film with the current crew. I know that conjures up a certain style but it’s the substance that is behind the style that makes Tarantino great.

Once the reigns are ready for new ownership i hope he is given the opportunity.

185. Shannon Nutt - February 16, 2012

What’s wrong with getting rid of your agency via e-mail? It’s not like they were lovers, for heaven’s sake. Sounds to me like SDB ticked off their “golden egg”, now they want to milk him for all he’s got. All they can get from this is bad press (and less talent).

186. Buzz Cagney - February 16, 2012

Vults and RDR here’s a clip i think you’ll enjoy. Its from a great little comedy called Father Ted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Father_Ted

Speed 3!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uOX_hbkAMc

187. Dee - lvs moon' surface - February 16, 2012

#178. Harry Ballz….

LOL… I just understand this… I just read that… is unbelievable… that person is thinking just like me about Chris Pine in this matter… is the first time it happens… WOW …+LOL

188. dmduncan - February 16, 2012

140. SoonerDEW – February 15, 2012

We don’t know.

We know there was an email. We now know there’s a lawsuit.

The rest is pointless speculation.

***

If you don’t like pointless speculation, you are in the WRONG place, friendo.

189. Vultan - February 16, 2012

#186

Thanks for that, Buzz! That was great!

And just for you, here’s Chris Pine getting ready to play Captain Kirk:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpxBXeJzrW4&feature=related

190. Jone Feathers - February 16, 2012

Trekmovie is now the TMZ of Trek

191. Harry Ballz - February 16, 2012

TMZ……..Trek Movie Zingers?

192. AJ - February 16, 2012

Star Trek-based review of “This Means War” from io9.

http://io9.com/5885054/why-mcgs-new-romcom-is-secretly-a-star-trek-movie?tag=startrek

193. Lostrod - February 16, 2012

I suppose they could make three movies with the current cast. Then start a new trilogy set in the altverse of Next Generation. New cast, new contracts.

194. Chris Pine's Gay Love Monkey - February 16, 2012

I sure hope Chrissie gives me a raise. I do SO much for him! And without using protection!

195. punkspocker - February 16, 2012

I hope his former agent isnt Ari Gold!

196. Keachick - rose pinenut (F) - February 16, 2012

I would like to know how these agencies work and how this agency can sue for money on movies not yet made and on money not yet earned. As for the commissionable dues the Agency feel they are owed – do they come out of the actor’s income before or after income tax?

As people keep pointing, it is all no doubt in the fineprint and may well be part of any standard contract that a young actor looking for work would be asked to sign. What does the standard contract contain and how well is it explained? Does the agency also bill the company who hires the successful actor they sent for the audition, because that particular agency provided the right person for the job?

If the agency is suing Chris Pine for the commissionable dues on money he is likely to receive as a result of being Jack Ryan in the movie franchise as well as other 25 maybe projects, can he also counter-sue the agency if they introduced him to a studio/film makers who turn out not to be able to deliver for him as an actor, as was expected?

To me, these agencies are like dating or employment agencies. They provide an introductory service. Having used an ordinary employment agency myself, I was never expected to have 10% of my income taken out of my pay, like forever, because this employment service found me a job. The employer pays a fee to the agency for being able to provide a suitable employee.

Never used a dating agency – but I doubt that agency can keep billing the successful couple that they have brought together. Surely the agency would receive a one-off fee from both applicants. I’m not sure if some dating agencies can/do claim extra if the happy couple marry. If some do, then surely the same two people then later facing a divorce could make a claim on the agency for bringing them together in the first place.

It seems to me like these agencies have things nicely sewn up in their favour longterm without necessarily having to do much at all…nice work if you can get it. But ethical? Well, there’s the rub… perhaps it might take a court of law to make a fairer ruling. I am sure there must be other young actors around dealing with similar problems.

197. Devon - February 16, 2012

#183 “why is this news worthy???? Do I really need to know how much the actors make for the movies. ”

Well YOU are the one who clicked on this story, so obviously you felt that you did.

198. dmduncan - February 16, 2012

Yup. Looks like Transformers 4 will be a reboot! The 4th in the series is a start over! First Spiderman, and now Transformers. So I expect this to become a habit. In Star Trek’s case, I don’t mind because I’d like to see as many incarnations as they want to make.

199. Captain_Conrad - February 16, 2012

So Chris Pine appears to be a dead beat actor… well luckily when it comes to Trek, I’ve never really cared about the actors because most of the time, their characters have always been more than they’ll ever be. Take Woopie Goldberg (forgive spelling, too lazy to Google) for example as Guinan, her character was a very wise and serious, yet caring and compassionate person. She had the ability to defeat Q and yet held her power in reserve. She had many life experiences that she only shared when they were necessary. As an actress and person, Woopie is crazy!!! I’m not speaking politically, but as a Hollywood elitist, she doesn’t care about anyone but herself and uses her position of power in the media to intimidate others, in a manner of speaking. In real life, hardly any of the Trek actors have ever been anything like their characters. It’s almost like they’re avatars and the character only comes to life through them, but after “that’s a wrap” is called, the character is gone and we get the person back who in real life can sometimes be a scum bag. All in all, my point is, when it comes to being Trek fans, it’s good to keep an eye on this so we can see that when the person dawns the uniform, they become someone else. I’ll explain more on that in a second. First my overall point. As Trekkies/Trekkers that who they are off screen and how they are in reality is always going to be different. I don’t want another Kirk, but I’m sure someone can portray the role just as well if not better. I watch Star Trek for the characters and these actors are not ever going to be them, with the exception of William Shatner, who was too awesome to even admit he was Kirk. They put on the uniform, they bring, no, they allow the character to come to life. In front of the camera, they’re really just a conduit for the people we’re REALLY interested in.

Now I’m not crazy. I know actors and how they operate. I’ve studied this pretty much my entire life. Never before have I seen a series or movie where the characters come to life in the way they do in Star Trek. The people who play them are so down to Earth, that it’s hard to believe they actually contribute anything except their body to the show. Some of them delve into their roles, but others mostly follow the direction. Star Trek is unique in this way and it’s one of the reason I love this series so much.

So to those of you bickering on the relevance of this story, for some of us it’s an eye opener and a reminder that the characters are just that, characters. I won’t go so far as to say they’re not real, because in a way, they are. They are real to us and I prefer to remember the characters as they are in the story. Not the person that allows them use of their image

200. SoonerDave - February 16, 2012

@188

Friendo, pointless speculation is one thing, pointless speculation asserted as fact is what I tired of here in this thread. An email message followed by the mention of a lawsuit turned everyone here in to legal experts, and its an ongoing case of mass cluelessness that has ensued.

Look at @190 above, “So Chris Pine is a deadbeat actor.” Really? That inference drawn from the original story? Based on what? Then there’s another tossing out “Parasite and Extortion.” All this vitriol without any knowledge of facts beyond a second-hand Internet-redistributed email.

Boggles the mind.

201. Craiger - February 16, 2012

Here’s a Star Trek 2009 casting video on why they picked Pine. Also Pine comes from an acting family his father Robert Pine was the Sgt. on Chips and has been in various TV shows including Trek.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzd14RXe0gI

202. Red Dead Ryan - February 16, 2012

#186.

That was hilarious, Buzz! Thanks for sharing that!

203. dmduncan - February 16, 2012

@200: “Friendo, pointless speculation is one thing, pointless speculation asserted as fact is what I tired of here in this thread.”

Welcome to earth. If it’s any consolation, things are far worse outside these here city walls.

204. SoonerDave - February 16, 2012

@203

Friendo, good discussion can be had by folks not hiding under chronic naivete, willing ignorance, plain ol’ stupidity, or maybe even just a desire to troll. If you can’t grasp the point I’m making about how this thread spun into a series of baseless legal point-counterpoint nonsense bathed in pseudo-legal responses, assertions, and criticisms when no one, *no one*, has all the facts, then its your problem, not mine.

Have a nice day, “Friendo.”

205. MJ - February 16, 2012

@196. Wow, Keachick, more CONJECTURE, eh? :-) Ah, the term “double-standard” rears its ugly head again here!

206. Jack - February 16, 2012

203. dmduncan. “Welcome to earth. If it’s any consolation, things are far worse outside these here city walls.”

Sigh. Yep.

204. How do you hide under — or, heck, behind, even — naivete, stupidity or ignorance? What is the point that no one is grasping, exactly? That you find all the conjecture annoying and think some of it is just plain ol’ contrarian prattle by folks who know better? From dm’s responses, it seems like it was pretty darned well grasped.

149. “Well, frankly, I don’t think the Agency had to necessarily work that hard to get him work once people saw the little that he did.”

So, what day are you scheduled to testify? :)

207. dmduncan - February 16, 2012

204. SoonerDave – February 16, 2012

Your point is pointless. So what that’s it’s speculation? When has that been new for Trekmovie? Trekmovie is actually one of the less stressful places to be. So maybe you should leave behind whatever world hating personal crap you are going through and using as an excuse to come in here and bitch like the money lenders are in the temple. You don’t like the conversation? That’s easy enough to fix — don’t join it. But you wanted to spoil other people’s conversation, isn’t that right? That’s why you entered it. Because it didn’t meet your standard of “good discussion” and you wanted everyone to know it. Well, good job. Your sneering disapproval has been noted.

208. Toothless Grishnar Cat - February 16, 2012

Here is my new speculation on the villain in Trek ’12… Benedict Cumberbatch is playing an evil talent scout of the Federation Talent Agency, who was responsible for promoting Cadet Kirk to Captain. Guest starring Peter Weller as the CEO.

209. chrisfawkes.com - February 16, 2012

News Update:

Now that Toothless Grishnar Cat has exposed the whole storyline of the next trek movie the script has been binned and a new script has to be written. The next Star Trek movie will now be due 2016.

Good one Toothless Grishnar Cat.

210. Jack - February 16, 2012

208. Wow, ensign to captain in three days would involve some pretty fantastic negotiatiating. Logic dictates that Kirk can’t win and really should just pay the darned commission (10% of any action he gets as a sexy captain) but we all know JTK can’t bear being called chicken (oops, that was Marty McFly), er, doesn’t like to lose… And, little does he know that a Klingon is in secret talks for his position…

I would totally watch that movie. I can’t wait for Giacchino’s theme for the gripping final residuals battle.

211. Buzz Cagney - February 17, 2012

More Father Ted…..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=be7MVQ0uaWs

Listen carefully at the begining when Ted is on the phone ;)

212. Buzz Cagney - February 17, 2012

#198 yes. its going to be Star Trek: In the Womb next ;)

213. Keachick - rose pinenut - February 17, 2012

I wonder if the SDB contract with Chris Pine has something similar to what is called a Perpetual Agency Clause in there somewhere. I doubt it will be in big letters. This little clause has been mentioned by an author and he almost got caught by it…

214. Phil - February 17, 2012

@213. Well, if you wish to speculate that this clause is in there, I’ll speculate that it isn’t. And even if it was, both parties had plenty of time to review it and accept it way back when CP was a nobody.

215. Phil - February 17, 2012

Hey, anyone up for the over/under on the out of court settlement?

What, too soon??

216. Robert H. - February 17, 2012

So in short, the talent agency is looking for a quick buck.

217. Aurore - February 17, 2012

@215.

If I understood you correctly, I’d say it will be settled out of court.

That’s what I want.

“Make it so” , lawyers.

218. Phil - February 17, 2012

@217. You understood me correctly. Like any other divorce, the only people who will make any money are the lawyers.

Make it so, lawyers…. :-)

219. Dee - lvs moon' surface - February 17, 2012

Chris Pine was in a great mood yesterday on the show of Jimmy Kimmel … alive and gorgeous … and talked a bit about having been on set that day as Kirk …

here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aAIj6VdaBkE

;-) :-)

220. La Reyne d'Epee - February 18, 2012

Money. Doesn’t make you happy does it? As this so amply demonstrates. Look at Dan Radcliffe. Fifty million quid in the bank and drinking because he’s unhappy. God knows why they want all this palaver.

221. dmduncan - February 18, 2012

Money doesn’t make you happy, but not having enough of it to control the direction of your life will make you miserable.

222. Keachick - rose pinenut - February 18, 2012

I have to wonder why Daniel Radcliffe and those young like him and with so much money don’t put themselves through college, studying something that really fascinates them and take time out from acting etc. It just seems off when you consider how many thousands of youth struggling to get themselves through tertiary education, face having to pay off student loans and yet have no guarantee of actually finding good paying work in their chosen field.

I dunno. All so confusing…

223. dmduncan - February 18, 2012

Daniel Radcliffe is an atheist. It’s hard to be an optimistic atheist. When matter is your sole medium of spiritual expression and you see that even the works of ancient kings are now the broken remains of temples, scattered across the dunes, it is difficult to see time as anything but a weapon of mass destruction to every physical thing you value and ever can value. And you cannot avoid that knowledge without enforcing an ignorance on yourself which in full consciousness robs life of some of its luster.

Don’t mean to be a downer to anyone, because I’m not down on it myself. But that’s probably because I am not a materialist and I do believe in God, and I know many of you probably do not.

I was an atheist at Radcliffe’s age as well, so I probably know how he feels, but now I counsel the lyrics of Muse:

If you could flick a switch and open your third eye
You’d see that we should never be afraid to die.

224. Lula - February 18, 2012

Here’s my deal: If Chris Pine isn’t Kirk, I ain’t shelling out $12! Pure
and simple. He was great; all the cast was great. To me (and I’ve
been a fan since the original Trek), this film blew ALL the others
out of the water. Hooray to J.J. Abrams and everyone else! Can’t
wait to see the next Trek.

225. Lula - February 18, 2012

And what the hell does Radcliff have to do with Star Trek?

226. Keachick - rose pinenut - February 18, 2012

Lula – Nothing. It was about how having a lot of money does not necessarily make a person happy.

This SDB lawsuit against Chris Pine is about money and a lot of it and who is owed what and why. Clearly the people at SDB are not happy and I doubt that Pine is feeling wonderful about this either. It seems that even how much loyalty and gratitude you feel gets reduced to how much money you get and pay out – ka-ching, ka-ching. The only people who are *happy* right now are the legal representatives for the two parties involved and that is because they hear the sound of loud ka-chings ka-chings.

What with this (and how it appears to me, on the surface – going for someone and their company for money not yet earned) and very wealthy people like Whitney Houston probably drowning in her bath because she was drinking while taking prescription medication (how lame/dumb/irresponsible), I just have an impression that given the Hollywood lifestyles and money-merry-go-round that people get on, that Hollywood is spiritually and, in many ways, intellectually as well, F**KED!

227. Dennis Bailey - February 18, 2012

#223: “Daniel Radcliffe is an atheist. It’s hard to be an optimistic atheist”

Well now, there’s a misfire of an observation that falls down in the face of most atheists I know. LOL

228. dmduncan - February 18, 2012

227. Dennis Bailey – February 18, 2012

Of most atheists you know, but not of ALL atheists you know? So then it’s true of some?

I wrote that based on MY experience as a one time atheist. Oh sure, it’s easy to be optimistic and happy when you are ignorant. That’s what most people are, even those who call themselves atheists. They’re simple atheists who think other people think that God is a bearded white guy who lives in the sky, and therefore what sense does it make to believe in that? Not so easy when you disregard the cartoonish imagery and begin to think deeply about what it means for all you value to come to so complete an end that it will one day be as if you and everything you did never existed. Because as an atheist, that’s what you really think you face. And I don’t mean to just read those words and have an opinion, am I right or am I wrong about it. I mean to EXPERIENCE what those words really MEAN. I don’t treat that flippantly, and anyone who thinks it’s easy to deal with is either lying or superhuman.

229. Aurore - February 19, 2012

…Important, fascinating ( though troubling ) topic, to me.

It brings to mind a song I discovered thanks to one of my fellow Star Trek fans, recently…. :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hytToent3kw

230. dmduncan - February 19, 2012

@229: (That dude is a badass musician!)

Well, personally I think life is like being in a boat on a river heading toward a waterfall. Death is the moment when you drop off the edge. And I believe part of what we should be doing while alive is preparing our minds for the moment when we go over the edge, and not living obliviously of the edge we are approaching. I do think how we face death is at least as important as how we face life (thank you James T. Kirk/TWOK).

The problem with atheism is that even if you bother to live a good life, you don’t believe anything comes after, and so you do not prepare yourself while alive for the moment of death.

When I go over the edge, I intend to be Holmes, not Moriarty.

231. Aurore - February 19, 2012

“When I go over the edge, I intend to be Holmes, not Moriarty.”
________

Would that make God a white guy with a moustache (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle) ?

:)

232. Aurore - February 19, 2012

Correction. 231.
(Sir Arthur Conan Doyle) =( like Sir Arthur Conan Doyle) ?

233. dmduncan - February 19, 2012

231. Aurore – February 19, 2012

Did you see the last Sherlock Holmes movie, Aurore? GREAT ending. That’s the reference. Can’t spoil it though.

234. Aurore - February 19, 2012

“Did you see the last Sherlock Holmes movie…?”
_________

No. I did not.

So, you guessed it ; I was referring to what happened when Arthur Conan Doyle thought he could “disappear ” Both Holmes and Moriarty…

:)

235. dmduncan - February 19, 2012

234. Aurore – February 19, 2012

If I read you correctly, that IS the ending of the movie…well, sort of.

236. dmduncan - February 19, 2012

The difference in their reaction to the same approaching event is…striking. One is in repose, the other…not so much.

237. Aurore - February 19, 2012

“The problem with atheism is that even if you bother to live a good life, you don’t believe anything comes after, and so you do not prepare yourself while alive for the moment of death.”
_______

Maybe for an atheist ( or some of them ) living a good life is preparation enough for the moment of death.

238. Aurore - February 19, 2012

“If I read you correctly, that IS the ending of the movie…well, sort of.”

“The difference in their reaction to the same approaching event is…striking. One is in repose, the other…not so much.”
__________

I’ve got to see that movie, then.

239. Aurore - February 19, 2012

What I essentially meant in 234 was that Holmes could not…”disappear “.

A long time ago I was told that Doyle’s readers did not like the idea and made it known.
Moreover, If what I read is true, even Doyle’s own mother objected to the character’s death…

….And so, Holmes came back from the dead, so to speak, while Moriarty did not.

240. dmduncan - February 19, 2012

239: Yes!

241. MJ - February 19, 2012

@226 “This SDB lawsuit against Chris Pine is about money and a lot of it and who is owed what and why. Clearly the people at SDB are not happy and I doubt that Pine is feeling wonderful about this either. It seems that even how much loyalty and gratitude you feel gets reduced to how much money you get and pay out – ka-ching, ka-ching. The only people who are *happy* right now are the legal representatives for the two parties involved and that is because they hear the sound of loud ka-chings ka-chings.”

Ah, the CONJECTURE from Keachick continues unabated…..DOUBLE-STANDARD…cha-ching!!!!!

242. Keachick - rose pinenut - February 19, 2012

As I have already asked, how is what I am writing conjecture? Unless we do not take it as pretty much given that those who file lawsuits against someone/others and those on the receiving end of such claims would not be very happy people, I feel that it is fair to say that neither parties are that happy right now, given what is well known about human nature in general.

The issue of the lawsuit is about money and words like “loyalty” and “gratitude” and “not courteous enough to ring” etc have also been thrown into the wording of the claim, which is essentially about money. It is relatively easy to see that virtues like ‘loyalty’, ‘gratitude’ and ‘courtesy’ appear to have been reduced to a monetary worth.

Unless I have misunderstood what little has been quoted about the lawsuit, nothing of what I have written would really constitute just mere conjecture.

243. MJ - February 19, 2012

LOL. You could dish out the conjecture criticism at me pretty hard and at time very critical when I was talking about delays in the movie and communication issues with the supreme court, but the minute your pretty boy favorite Chris PIne has a negative article about him, you suddenly have all this information about what the parties behind the scenes are motivated by, and you give the impression that you have some understanding of this that is NOT available from the simple news article on this topic.

I don’t have an issue with this though. I admit that I practice conjecture based on what I read into things, and use my knowledge and opinions to come up with some plausible ideas on my issues. The difference between you and I is that I fully admit that I use conjecture, while you here are attempting to pretend that you do not.

244. Keachick - rose pinenut - February 19, 2012

OK, MJ. Yes you are right. I do use conjecture and speculate sometimes, however in this case, it is more a case of deductive reasoning that I am using.

Well, one of the clear motivations on the part of SDB Agency is the desire for money that they see as being owed to them by Chris Pine, hence the lawsuit. That sticks out like dino ballz.

No, I don’t have all the information about the parties involved. In fact, nobody has any information about what Chris Pine’s response to this is as he has not made it public.

What’s this my “pretty boy favorite Chris Pine” stuff? I was also defending Bob Orci and Bad Robot team when you were using conjecture and flaming them for being tardy about getting on with the Star Trek sequel, etc. I guess my defending them could be also due to me thinking that Bob Orci (“ugly mug”) is not as unattractive as he seems to think he is…:)

245. Phil - February 19, 2012

Well, This Means War had a soft opening. Might not want to be labeling CP a superstar just yet….

246. Red Dead Ryan - February 19, 2012

Keachick seems to suggest that SDB Agency is made up of greedy Ferengi a-holes strictly out for money. It is quite possible that Chris Pine broke his contract, and denied the Agency the money they were due.

We don’t know f#ck-all about this lawsuit. It could be Chris Pine who is the guilty party, or it could be all SDB’s fault. Or perhaps both screwed each other over and are slinging mud at each other like two bitches in a mud-wrestling divorce contest!

247. MJ - February 19, 2012

@245. Yea, it looks like “This Means Dud” based on finishing 5th place in its opening weekend.

It’s a McG movie, so I can’t say I’m surprised. I don’t know how that guy keeps getting directing jobs in Hollywood.

248. Red Dead Ryan - February 19, 2012

#247.

Keachick thought “This Means War” was good. Simply because Chris Pine was in it.

Me? I hear its a real piece of shit. The trailers gave it away. McG should be fined a lot of money for defecating in public places (theatres).

Though I will say that “Terminator Salvation” was good. But that was the exception.

249. Red Dead Ryan - February 19, 2012

I saw the first “Charlie’s Angels” movie years ago after everybody was hyping it up. After I saw it, I thought “Geez, this movie was a disappointment! What a piece of crap!” I couldn’t understand why it was so highly regarded. It was more like a long, extended Spice Girls MTV music video but stupider and more boring!

250. Keachick - rose pinenut - February 19, 2012

Funny. A reviewer of movies here gave This Means War three out of five stars, three out of five stars to the Vow and the same for a French romantic comedy. This Means War was described as “Fun, frivolous nonsense”. Other people like it as well, but then that could be because Tom Hardy is in it, who was also very good.

Charlies Angels was a good fun movie which spoofed a lot of violent, silly action movies which took themselves too seriously. This Means War is similar. Like it.

It must be fun to see a director you don’t like and his latest movie you haven’t seen, appear not to do that well at the box office. I guess there is no such notion here about not taking delight in another’s apparent misfortune or indeed delighting in another’s good fortune.

#246 – “Keachick seems to suggest that SDB Agency is made up of greedy Ferengi a-holes strictly out for money. It is quite possible that Chris Pine broke his contract, and denied the Agency the money they were due.”

Well, the lawsuit is about getting money. What else are they after or expect to get that they have not got already? You don’t hire attorneys to file a lawsuit just in order to be thanked, when a letter sent to you already expressed gratitude. I did not refer to the agency as “greedy Ferengi a-holes”. You did that.

Personally, I really hope that the dispute between the Agency and Chris Pine gets resolved and settled to the reasonably mutual satisfaction of the two parties. What I find hard to believe is how things got to the point where one of the parties had to lodge a lawsuit against the other. Concerning and sad.

251. Keachick - rose pinenut - February 19, 2012

I came across this review – I agree with it.

http://sharpelvessociety.blogspot.co.nz/2012/02/this-means-warbetween-me-all-those.html

252. Phil - February 20, 2012

@250. Well, way back on post 112 your words were Parasite and Extortion – so yeah, you tapped SDB as being in the wrong early on. Considering how much you swoon over the talents of young Mr. Pine here, I don’t think anyone really expects any objectivity out of you. Again, your opinions, to which you are entitled. As far as This Means War goes, if the wife wants to ge see a romcom, I’ll take her. If not, I won’t. The flick looks like a renter from what I’ve seen.

253. Keachick - rose pinenut - February 20, 2012

Yes, you are right, Phil. I guess I did see SDB as perhaps being in the wrong. However, if this is a dispute over what are standard contracts that many out-of-work, starving young actors are expected to sign before they can hope to get any sort of reasonable work, then it is not only SDB who could be at fault, but all the agencies who draw up these contracts for young out-of-work unknowns to sign up for. I doubt that any person on little or no income could afford an attorney’s fee to look a contract over and insist on changes being made. That will cost even more money.

It looks to me like the lawyers and the agencies have things sewn up nicely from their point of view. It is no brass of a studio’s ass what happens to the money once it leaves their hands…

Yes, on the surface of things, it does look a little parasitical and extortionate and no, I don’t know all the issues involved in this lawsuit – nobody does. I am curious, though, as to why Chris has not paid the outstanding $182,000 for work he did do and presumably did receive full payment for.

Most of this is conjecture on my part. I am also querying a system that appears to be a little unfair and I doubt that I am the only one. You do not perceive well my ability to also be objective as well as being subjective.

Yes, I swoon over the talents of Mr Pine, but I also hope he knows the difference between right and wrong and strives always to do what is right in any given situation.

254. MJ - February 20, 2012

@250 “It must be fun to see a director you don’t like and his latest movie you haven’t seen, appear not to do that well at the box office.”

Actually, yes, I do enjoy it when “pretender” directors fail.

255. dmduncan - February 20, 2012

McG. The Vanilla Ice of filmmaking.

Would be a cool name to have if you made badass movies instead of mediocre ones.

256. MJ - February 20, 2012

It seems pretty obvious that Pine is a legitimate Hollywood actor who can co-lead a movie (like with Denzel or Hardy/Witherspoon or Quinto, but that he is not going to be a major star who can lead a movie on his own right like say a WIll Smith, Denzel, Clooney, Decaprio or a Crowe. He is in the A- category, and there is nothing wrong with that. The Shat was never that good in terms of getting major movie roles…the Shat was probably a B at best.

257. Red Dead Ryan - February 20, 2012

I think you’re going to see Chris Pine start to act in more dramatic movies as opposed to action flicks. Dramas are probably the movies that Pine will have a better chance at carrying on his own.

258. Red Dead Ryan - February 20, 2012

Maybe McG can change his name to McG-Spot and become a p-rn director.

259. MJ - February 20, 2012

Bad Hamburger = McD’s

Bad Movie = McG’s

260. DS9 IN PRIME TIME - February 21, 2012

No loyalty any where anymore… sad

261. Keachick - rose pinenut - February 21, 2012

Chris Pine has proved himself to be a great lead ensemble actor, which is why Star Trek works with him and for him. Same with This Means War and I suspect similar applies to Welcome to People.

Bob Orci – please, if you can’t tell anything about the Star Trek sequel, surely you can tell about what’s going on with Welcome to People. There are rumours about, that the movie is expected to be released in late summer/early autumn (fall) of this year. However, there have been no promotional pictures released nor any trailers. It is not just pinenuts wanting to know, but also Olivia Wilde and Michelle Pfeifer fans who want to know…

Is it true – could I expect to see it come to NZ cinemas in July/August/September 2012? Pick a month and make it so.

262. MJ - February 21, 2012

@260 “No loyalty any where anymore… sad”

How do you define loyalty? Pretending? Lying? Glossing over the truth?

To me it is great and necessary for us loyal Trek fans to have discussions like this “in-house”, among each other…and these boards suit this purpose. We are all Trek fans here, so we can discuss any topic here “internally” that we like.

Now, if I was in an external non-Trek environment, and people were taking pot shots at Trek, even including saying things I agreed with (making fun of Shat’s gut, etc.), I would vehemently respond against such negative attacks on Trek. It is a manner of loyalty and honor of being a Trek fan to respond in such a manner.

That is what Trek loyalty is about, my friend.

PS: I hope you have been taking notes here as to what I have just said.

263. Keachick - rose pinenut - February 21, 2012

DS9 in Primetime was not specific about which lack of loyalty he was referring to, so the post does not make a lot of sense to me.

Was it a comment on SDB Agency’s lawsuit, which referred to lack of loyalty on Chris Pine’s part?

or

Was the word “no loyalty” referring to something else on this thread or on this site in general?

264. yepper - February 25, 2012

Wow! Some people on this post must have way to much time on their
hands…I mean Really!
Kept me really entertained readying some of these though..like a really bad
reality show..lol

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