Orci Talks Bringing In More Star Trek Canon + Relationship With JJ

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According to Roberto Orci he and his co-writers are in the middle of writing the script for the next Star Trek film, they are looking to focus on new unexplored territory, and less on any specific canon callbacks. More details below.

In a new interview with IGN, Orci chatted about using characters and races from the wider Trek canon.

On having known characters, aliens, races, in the next movie:

I think our instinct right now is to go into more uncharted territory. But again, we’re still in the middle of writing it. If the best idea is when, suddenly, it seems like the best thing ever to do, is to have the Andorians running around, doing something cool, that’s what it’ll be.

On his current mentor type relationship with J.J. Abrams:

J.J. is more than a colleague for me, he is someone who I’ve learned a lot from, just watching the trajectory of his decisions, his career. He’s been so generous with his time with me in terms of being willing to answer any questions that I have about anything. Alex [Kurtzman] and I, he’s always been like an older brother for us. He’s been like our business mentor/older brother. He’s one of the people I’ve been relying on going forward. I do feel comfortable enough, when I have a question about anything in this business, I feel like I can call him, and he’ll give me some pretty good advice.

 

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Ahmed
July 13, 2014 5:23 pm

From the article

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Complete With Khan?:

As to a potential villain in the film, Khan is technically still out there, so there is a possibility that he could make a return appearance.

“I think what our discussions are about finding a thing we can discover for ourselves,” Orci said, again emphasizing a desire to venture into their own territory. “Then if it turns out that something from canon somehow fits that bill, or it somehow turns out that we’ve reinvented the wheel without even knowing it, like, ‘Oh! We went through all this trouble to create a situation, and it turns out it’s the exact situation that happened in whatever episode.’ But first we don’t attach any names to the structure. We don’t want anyone to feel like they have to have seen the previous movies. It has to be a movie that stands on its own, that stands alone. So we’re hesitant to rely on any love of the series or love of previous stuff.”

When asked if he felt complete with the Khan storyline, Orci slowly repeated, “Do I feel complete?” followed by a very lengthy pause after which he finally laughingly replied, “I can’t answer that.”

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Why would anyone want to see Khan again ?

Harry Ballz
July 13, 2014 5:33 pm

Using Khan again would only prove that the writers are totally bereft of imagination.

Fuba Mushu
July 13, 2014 5:46 pm

#2 The evidence of this bereftness is bountiful.

Stephan
July 13, 2014 6:03 pm

Germany is Weltmeister!!!

Whoohooo!

Sorry for being off topic. ;-)

scotchyscotchscotch
July 13, 2014 6:19 pm

The Khan gag actually grew on me from this perspective: I like the idea that no matter how the timeline unfolds, certain people are destined to bump into each other no matter how big the universe is.

Execution aside I enjoy that high level concept.

That said, I would love to see “uncharted territory”

CmdrR
July 13, 2014 6:31 pm

Make it a good, original story.
Hands out of the TOS cookie jar.

richpit
July 13, 2014 6:46 pm

I also think that it’s time for them to not use TOS as a crutch and keep going to characters and storylines from there.

If you are, indeed, a “writer”, one would assume that you have some talent for “writing”. And by “writing”, I don’t mean the physical act of putting pencil to paper. Any 4th grader can do that. I mean coming up with creative stories that people want to watch unfold.

Technically, it’s enough of a “crutch” that they don’t have to invent their own main characters. All they have to do is write good stories for those characters to be in.

Harry Ballz
July 13, 2014 7:13 pm

Sheesh, look at Bob Orci in the photo at the top of this thread.

You’d think Bob and Wil Wheaton had been separated at birth!

c
July 13, 2014 7:25 pm

Next ST, stick your hand in the Avatar jar…Rob…for ideas and every other movie that has ever been-simple logic…make your life easier.

Just add Enterprise and 0uterspace and you can’t lose, my opinion.

C.

Pizza
July 13, 2014 7:27 pm

What I would give to have Ronald Moore write the movie.

Unfortunately, meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Legate Damar
July 13, 2014 7:31 pm

They should put Borg and/or Cardassians in the new movie. I know neither of those are from TOS, but they are the coolest aliens that haven’t been used already.

Finnigan
July 13, 2014 7:56 pm

Get the Enterprise far from Earth. Make this a movie about the going boldly and stop making a Michael Bay action flick. Loss the moronic vengeful villain plot device. Give us a story about Kirk truly being in command of the Enterprise far from home and far from Starfleet Command. Showcase what the crew and the Big E can do under difficult circumstances. I would have no problem with introducing a new race of aliens, but make it compelling, interesting, and present a challenge to the Captain and crew that takes us on the mission.

Start the 5 year mission with a good script that avoids the nonsense of cheap plot devices and stop using the alternate universe as an excuse.

Make this one better than Star Trek into Disappointment. Make this next one a real adventure without the flash, the over-hyped action, and, once again, have Kirk command!

harley3k
July 13, 2014 8:05 pm

The altered timeline gives us a new Enterprise (different design), red matter, inter-planetary beaming, Spock’s ship and computer data, etc. Plenty of plot devices to end up in completely different part of the galaxy and encounter new races of aliens.

Also destroying vulcan surely scrambled the timeline sending off-world vulcans into new futures. Tons of ways to make it completely new and never touch canon or even refer to it.

And none of the bringing back Shatner nonsense – Each new version of trek paid homage to the prior in one film or episode, and having prime Spock in 2009 was enough homage.

Now if you want to bring back TAKEI, then forget what I just said, because that would be trekmazing.

TAKEI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ahmed
July 13, 2014 8:11 pm

ST 13 taglines:

KHAN IS BACK!

Or

KHAN: “I’ll be baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack”

Cygnus-X1
July 13, 2014 10:51 pm

Maybe it’ll be ST3: Indestructokhan vs. Q.

Who will win?

Q can do anything, but Khan can’t be killed.

Maybe “God” from STV breaks the stalemate.

Commodore Adams
July 13, 2014 10:59 pm
One thing I am hoping for with the deep space exploration and discovering something for themselves is…..how do I put this accurately…..I am hoping its a revolutionary find, something that may change our perspective on something. What I mean by that is V’Ger. TMP may be been dull and lacklustre to some people but think of the essence of that movie. Would we have ever thought that one of our probes could amass a type of consciousness that would require a melding with its creator to achieve its final objective leading to a new consciousness, a new level of existence? The Voyager probe evolving with advanced alien tech and the melding of it with Decker was a type of story that the other Star Trek movies did not achieve in my opinion. On a basic level it was a melding of organic and inorganic beyond the Borg, it was atypical. Peel back the surface and it was something much more. THOSE are the best movies, THOSE are the best episodes. Not just plodding along and discovering a new species to observe, a new planet survey, a new nebula to scan, a new foe fight but something truly thought provoking and transcending. V’Ger for 1979 was like nothing else. Can we please have something like that. Are we desensitized? Are we beyond our infancy for such storytelling? Star Trek The Motion Picture was something more than good vs bad, righteous vs evil. Say what you want about TMP but that story… Read more »
c
July 13, 2014 11:01 pm

Combine Ben-hur and Jurassic Park with ET and Jaws plus a dash of Transformers and you got yourself a movie.

For the next one a little of The Ten Commandments , a bit of The Motion Picture-ST, some of Return of the King and a lot of The Gage-episode..

Ahmed
July 13, 2014 11:14 pm

My expectations went below subspace after reading these recent interviews.

Are they really incapable of coming up with something original that they are thinking about using Khan again, or take elements from TNG ?

Maybe they should take a week off & read books by Alastair Reynolds, Stephen Baxter, Peter F. Hamilton, Iain Banks, Vernor Vinge, David Brin & others to get a sense of how to write an epic science fiction story.

Ahmed
July 13, 2014 11:15 pm

@16. Commodore Adams

Well said.

July 13, 2014 11:38 pm

I think they should have Capt Picard travel to the JJ verse to retrieve spock prime and restore the timeline.

Emperor Mike of the Terran Empire
July 14, 2014 2:52 am

All I ask is a Tall Ship and a Star to lead he By!.

Dr C
July 14, 2014 2:57 am

@16 Commodore Adams.

I generally agree with your points here. I also like TMP (despite its slow pace in places).

I recently watched ‘The Apple’ – I loved seeing Kirk, Spock, and Bones wrestle with the moral choice to violate the prime directive and help the people of Vaal. That discussion seemed to have happened just *before* STID started. There were only brief discussions of whether or not following Marcus’ orders in STID were right or not (Scotty mentioned it I think, and Spock did too if I remember right). Perhaps Kirk has learned something from his interference on Naboo and decides this time to let someone/a race die because the PD says not to interfere?

I’m hoping that these seemingly fundamentally ‘Star Trek’ elements will filter in to the next film. I’m also hoping that it doesn’t signal the end of this series of films. Nobody wants to see ‘Star Trek Into Oblivion’

Antonio
July 14, 2014 3:36 am

#1

I would love to see Khan only when they start remaking TNG.

Picard VS Khan, who wouldn’t want to see that?

IDIC Lives!
July 14, 2014 3:54 am

#16 Commodore Adams

Very well said.

Stephan
July 14, 2014 4:02 am

18. Ahmed

Didn’t Bob say exactly that? He said he wants ” to go into more uncharted territory.”
So nothing about Khan or TNG.

Jonboc
July 14, 2014 5:29 am

24 “Didn’t Bob say exactly that? He said he wants ” to go into more uncharted territory.”

He did. But that does nothing to feed the haters. Ahmed will scour the web to try and find sound bites that will contradict anything new that might be percieved as possitive and, in turn, feed his discontent. It’s just how he rolls.

Alex
July 14, 2014 5:55 am

Well they’ve introduced the Klingons. Probably wouldn’t be a bad idea to have a story focused on them.

July 14, 2014 6:23 am

I was excited about the headline, until I read the quotes and discovered it’s more of a maybe not.

To celebrate the 50th Anniversary, I wouldn’t be able to resist going canon influences to the max.

Andreas
July 14, 2014 6:46 am

sorry, my englishe is a little carzy.

please do not bring back mr khan, let us please have new and originals story, that will give us star trek fans a new kind of excite!

Disinvited
July 14, 2014 6:58 am

BOMAD: I am BOMAD. I am complete. My function is clear: STERILIZE PERFECTIONS! STERILIZE PERFECTIONS. STERILIZE! STERILIZE!…

TreKirks: BOMAD! You are in communication with the unit JJ! STOP! STOP!

TUP
July 14, 2014 7:13 am

Good lord.

Wasnt the point of the “new universe” to unconstrain themselves from Canon? And yet they are so obsessed with it, Orci has to specify his intent to try and move away from it.

Also, if he thinks the first two films were designed for people who didnt have to have knowledge of Star Trek, he’s crazy. Both films were so convoluted it was ridiculous. Why is it, other movie franchises and TV shows embrace the idea of continuity and episodic story telling and yet its such a dirty thought with Star Trek. it really does seem like these people think the Trek fans will watch anything and they have to trick the mainstream into seeing a movie that just happens to be Star Trek.

TrekRules
July 14, 2014 7:31 am

Legate Damar , that is probably what they will do which is such a waste. Instead of taking this opportunity to do something unique, they waste it by using villians we already know. Look at the comic this guy oversees – his crew meets Q. I wouldn’t be surprised if a TNG villian appears here. But good thing we have 3 true Trek fans writing this and not all the non Trek fans who complain about how crappy the last 2 films were ;)

Ahmed
July 14, 2014 7:52 am

@24. Stephan & 25. Jonboc

Do me a favor & read the actual interview over at IGN:

http://ca.ign.com/articles/2014/07/13/star-trek-3-roberto-orci-on-the-possibility-of-andorians-or-q-and-taking-over-for-jj-abrams

If you two bothered to read the interview or the quote at #1, you will see for yourself that Bob did talk about Khan & “elements” from TNG.

This unconditional support will do nothing good for the movie. Instead of acting as yes men, read the bloody interview first & then comment on it.

Ahmed
July 14, 2014 8:04 am
The other parts in the interview ========================== Might We See Specific Next Generation Elements in Star Trek 3?: Star Trek clearly has a rich canon to draw from, and the first two Abrams’ Star Trek films certainly mined from it. When asked if they would expand even further in the upcoming film, possibly drawing upon additional elements specifically introduced in the other shows, Orci said, “I think our instinct right now is to go into more uncharted territory. But again, we’re still in the middle of writing it.” Adding, “If the best idea is when, suddenly, it seems like the best thing ever to do, is to have the Andorians running around, doing something cool, that’s what it’ll be.” When we – somewhat – jokingly suggested that they might include Q, Orci said, “Sure, or Q.” When asked if he’d go that far, Orci replied evasively, “I love Q! C’mon, who doesn’t love Q?” Complete With Khan?: As to a potential villain in the film, Khan is technically still out there, so there is a possibility that he could make a return appearance. “I think what our discussions are about finding a thing we can discover for ourselves,” Orci said, again emphasizing a desire to venture into their own territory. “Then if it turns out that something from canon somehow fits that bill, or it somehow turns out that we’ve reinvented the wheel without even knowing it, like, ‘Oh! We went through all this trouble to create a situation, and… Read more »
Nemesis4909
July 14, 2014 8:43 am

They’re still in the middle of writing it? I dunno about you guys but whenever I write a story or script then I start with a plan, a structure to adhere to that makes the writing easier. Do these jokers not do that?

Right enough, Into Dumbness stunk of something that was being made up as it went along so that wouldn’t surprise me. Adding things into your story as you’re going along rarely leads to a satisfying conclusion, it’s a core rule in storytelling.

Why is Star Trek in the hands of these incompetents? At least he’s off Amazing Spider-Man 3, only one franchise I love to ruin now Bob. This interview has done nothing but discourage me even further.

Nemesis4909
July 14, 2014 8:48 am

Another thing:

“You know, we started at childhood and we met their parents, and we see that Kirk was born on Earth.”

No we don’t, we see that Kirk was born on the USS Kelvin but hey, how can we expect Orci to remember…that film he wrote?

Also, he seems to have all but confirmed that Khan is coming back. Incredible, just incredible.

TUP
July 14, 2014 9:05 am

I dont think we will see Khan. it was a failed concept.

I think Orci’s remark was not being evasive about using Khan, it was being evasive about how he likely agrees that STID sucked.

Mad Mann
July 14, 2014 9:31 am

@37 TUP

Yeah, I agree. After listening to Orci actually talk about the usage of Khan in STID, I have a strong feeling that he was very much against it. It was to the point that he tried to shoe-horn Khan in to the script, but just couldn’t make it work., even though it was shot that way.

The inclusion of Khan was the biggest mistake of STID, even worse than all the science faux pas.

I don’t think we need to worry about Khan in the 3rd one. He will stay frozen in the cryo-tubes for quite some time.

That said, I’m beginning to worry about some of his comments about using a previous episode as the basis for the next movie. While I think it’d be cool to see Andorians and Tellarites running around, I do want to see some new stuff. The doomsday machine? Ehh, been there and done that perfectly already. Space amoeba? Please no. The Borg? Keep them in 1990s Trek only. A borgified Andorian controlling a giant space amoeba that killed Captain Decker? With Cyrano Jones and Harry Mudd selling the pieces? Yes. I mean, NO!

Oscar
July 14, 2014 9:37 am

Abrams Kult again…ugh..
No matter what Mr Copyator intends to do, that will be a botched job because he has not any talent…
Without Abrams Orci is nothing.
Movigoers are not interested in a trek film directed by Roberto who and with a couple of John Doe writers…
They need remember this is an Abrams production , because Abrams’ name sells ticket…not Orci’s name or Gijoe trek…
But Abrams is only producer in name…
That’ s cold truth

Elias Javalis
July 14, 2014 9:39 am

One thing i am certain about…
Star Trek 3 will be more Fan Friendly, i just hope they do not lose Perspective as they did on Star Trek : Insurrection and Nemesis.
As much as i love TNG these Movies were Awful!

shockwave
July 14, 2014 10:02 am

The 3rd movie should end with camera panning across space to show V’Ger, and use Goldsmith’s V’Ger’s theme.

Danpaine
July 14, 2014 10:11 am

If that supposed “Khan” shows up in the next film, I’m simply waiting for it to come out for rental, no trip to the movies for more of that mess.

Fool me once, shame on you….

somethoughts
July 14, 2014 10:20 am

#39

Insurrection LOL the whipping boy of how not to make a movie, good star trek theme and ok story but it was just a average TNG made for tv straight to dvd episode.

I have enjoyed both 2009 and STID just personal opinion and anyone is allowed to agree or disagree. Looking forward to your sci fi space exploration adventure bob, lots of mysteries, anomalies, monoliths and homicidal ships etc

Trekbillly
July 14, 2014 10:24 am

No Earth. Something new!!

Stephan
July 14, 2014 10:33 am

34. Ahmed – July 14, 2014

Ok, I have read the whole interview now. And I still don’t get your point. He says he might use “elements” of TNG. Where is the problem? Can’t he use some elements and still have a completely new story? I mean I hope he uses some elements because it has to feel like Star Trek. Otherwise it could be an original SciFi movie without “Star Trek” in its title.
I don’t understand what he says as recycling old material.

TUP
July 14, 2014 10:35 am

They have the formula for including a TV episode story – the pre-credit scene.

But again, unless they are jumping ahead several years, the timing doesnt work out. So instead of a 34 year old Kirk on a 5 year mission, its going to be a 27 year old Kirk on a 5 year mission?

Jonboc
July 14, 2014 10:41 am

#18 “My expectations went below subspace after reading these recent interviews.

Are they really incapable of coming up with something original that they are thinking about using Khan again, or take elements from TNG ?”

I did read the interview. Like I said…the writers going into “uncharted territory” does nothing to serve your dissatisfaction with the writers. So you skip it and imply that Orci’s initial response is completely negated by the prodding of the interviewer, who prompts him to agree that, sure, other elements could be used if it felt right. And after MORE coaxing from the interviewer, he agrees that even Q could be used…if it felt right. Those are very safe answers for a writer who, obviously, isn’t going to paint himself into a corner with restrictions and predictions.
I tend to lean more towards his first statement, of exploring uncharted territory, as being indicative of what to really expect…you, on the other hand, dismiss it and focus solely on the unlikely possibilities that feed your negative biases.

Phil
July 14, 2014 10:46 am

As always, Mr. Orci frames his answers very, very……very carefully. Not even sure why an interviewer would even bother to ask questions specific to a project…

Interviewer: Mr. Orci, you’ve mentioned having a willingness to embrace canon. Will see see Khan again in the upcoming movie.
RC: Why, yes, I do like hot dogs. Seasoned with curry.

Oscar
July 14, 2014 11:02 am

It is Paramount, they only want a transformers formula movie to make easy money with easy public…
Orcy is its man for this mission…

Khan again? Beh, sure, you now , he is very intolerant. « You do not like STID? You do not like my Khan, bunch of m..ns? Ok. TWICE…
He thinks ST is his toy and his means of vendetta versus people who said STID was supercrap…

He despises Trek Unions …hardcore fans…He only wants cheer leaders…

Phil
July 14, 2014 11:20 am

What the hell are you talking about, Oscar? A vendetta?? Are you insane?

You must have loved Rick Berman….

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