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Search For Clues In The New ‘Star Trek’ Poster and T-Shirt July 28, 2007

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Star Trek (2009 film) , trackback

In a new Variety article (‘Most Anticipated Films of Comic Con’ where Trek is # 2 behind Indy 4 and ahead of Dark Knight) producer Damon Lindelof is quoted saying:  

There may be a couple (clues) in terms of T-shirts and movie posters floating around the Con that may signal to fans when and where our movie is going to be set.

So here are high res images of each

 

 
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When

In JJ Abrams talk at comic con said "how do you possibly top or even match the cast of The Original Series…and that is really where this film takes place" (although it isn’t clear if you can take that literally to mean within TOS or just around TOS). The Poster is clearly screaming ‘TOS’ by using the TOS typeface. The Shirt uses the same type and also the TOS era emblem. (Quinto’s age of 30 also helps guide this). Another clue is Quinto’s age (30) which is a four years younger than Nimoy when he was shot for the 2nd Star Trek pilot "Where No Man Has Gone Before"…but that may not be something to be too literal about either. So TOS is certain, but exactly when is still not clear .

UPDATE: Stardate 12.25.08 a clue?
Astute reader Jörg points out that the show pilot takes place during ‘Stardate 1312.4. Therefore 1225.8 would indeed be before the pilot. [List of TOS episodes and Stardates]

WHERE

This is the big question. We have reported that the Enterprise will appear in the film, but it has not been confirmed that it is the primary setting. The writers describe the film as a ‘starship adventure.’ The poster’s type is filled with stars – signaling that the film (shock) will be set in space. The T-Shirt does use the emblem for The Enterprise (although it eventually also becomes the emblem for all of Starfleet).

My guess:

Based on the writers ‘starship adventure’ statement combined with the official confirmation that the film has both Kirk and Spock (played by a 30 year old), plus our report that the Enterprise is in the film, combined with the ‘clues’ in the posters and the shirt – I see three possibilities (note this is my guess and not something ‘leaked’ to me):

  1. The film is mostly the beginning of the ‘5 year mission’ of the USS Enterprise under the command of Captain James T. Kirk
  2. The film is mostly the time of Lt. Commander/Commander Kirk (and/or Lt. Spock) leading up to Kirk’s promotion to Captain and assignment to the Enterprise
  3. A combination of the two

…or maybe Abrams can be taken literally and the film is just set during TOS.

Note that even if the film primarily deals with one time frame the inclusion of Nimoy signals that at least one other time frame will be involved. Plus TrekMovie.com has heard the story will jump around in time a bit and could possibly include some moments from a much younger Kirk as well (think Batman Begins). Abrams, Orci and Kurtzman are well known for liking to tell non-linear stories.  

Last August we reported the rumor that the film will deal with the first mission of Kirk and Spock on the Enterprise. ..it appears that we may have been right all along.

TrekMovie.com setting ‘the buzz’
Did you notice who the only other person they quoted in Variety regarding Trek? That kind of thing is why TrekMovie.com is the source for everything new in Star Trek. To make good on that TrekMovie.com will have a big exclusive interview coming up tomorrow or Monday.

NOTE: another version of this article went up last night but had to be redone and have images added…so comments are now ‘reset’

Comments

1. David - July 28, 2007

Definitely think it will be set as the 1st voyage of the Enterprise under Kirk’s command.

2. JeFF - July 28, 2007

First!!! So stoked for tomorrow’s interview!

3. Jörg - July 28, 2007

Mhh, stardate 1225.08. “Where no man has gone before” was set in 1312.5, so it seems to be set before that… ;-)

4. T Negative - July 28, 2007

I want to see how Kirk and Spock meet and how they eventually become such good friends.

Kirk’s journey to gain command of the Enterprise is something that everyone would want to see IMO. What events take place for this to happen??

Kudos to Abrams, this guy is going to do Trek proud. The poster with original type face is awesome. Very encouraging to this Trek Fan!!

5. Kirk's Girdle - July 28, 2007

The poster has stars, and the shirts are black. I’m thinking it will be set in the blackness of space. Yeah.

Can we get an image on the label inside the shirt? Maybe it’s going to take place in Taiwan, be machine washable, tumble dry.

6. trekmaster - July 28, 2007

Hmm, what about the release date? There’s a 2250 in it…maybe 2250 marks the year the new movie is set.

7. mctrekkie - July 28, 2007

# 5 you are one funny mofo!

Star Trek: Miission ONE would be cool.

The problem is how much to do for us, vs general audience; Like does Pike hand over the ship… how do you do that without too much exposition?

The age of Spock is an odd thing to think/speculate about since he ages slowly. Quinto is 30, but how old does that make Spock?

re: poster

Personally I felt it was going to be TOS since the original Gold/Blue poster. (which I really liked)

non Linear.

Cool. as long as it’s not all a “dream”/sequence

I’m just hoping that the documentary style shooting (Galactica) that seems so in -vogue right now is handled with a light touch. sometimes the acting/ emotions are lost due to all this “over cinemetography”

And everything is so DARK in movies these days. (I mean no light)

Speaking of style of the movie-

What about the rest of the production crew-?

What can we expect re – the look/ feel/ music/ sets design/costumes, etc- Have those staffers been named yet?

Thanks for the posts, Anthony and company – keep ‘em coming.

8. Tim Handrahan - July 28, 2007

If all of the speculation is true, then we should see Gary Mitchell after all.

9. Heywood Jablome - July 28, 2007

It’ll be very super cool to see the enterprise launch for the very first time under Jim Kirk. Having new actors play our favorite characters is the best part for me, since in my mind the crew, like the Enterprise, can never grow old. It’s like being a little kid again, the anticipation and the excitement. I haven’t felt this way about Trek since The Undiscovered Country. Any thoughts on what the re-interpreted Enterprise might look like, beyond the cgi one that’s on youtube?

10. Nelson - July 28, 2007

Keep up the great work Anthony!

Given how Abram’s uses the trick where a scene starts with a close-up of a character’s eye in both Lost and M:I 3 if I am not mistaken, will we see a close-up of Nimoy’s eye to kick off a story and then a flash back to an earlier time?

11. JC - July 28, 2007

This website reminds me of the Star Trek report in the old Starlog magazine,when I was a kid(in 1978),that reported on the upcoming Star Trek phase 2 to feature film news.Back then it was a few paragraphs once a month.Today it’s up to the minute.I remember I couldn’t wait till that damn magazine came out..Best of the Trek info sites.Intelligently put forth.As a non-trekkie fan I like the way it’s not too trekkie exclusive.

12. JC - July 28, 2007

Question of the day;Can one buy these shirts or are they a comic con exclusive?

13. Chuck Amuck a.k.a. Shran - July 28, 2007

When telling Shatner why he did not have a part in the script (see story here: http://www.theomegasector.com/index.php?showtopic=6856), Nimoy hinted that the film will be set either after Kirk’s disappearance from the Enterprise-B in 2293 or after Kirk’s actual death in 2371 (both events seen in ST: Generations). So, my guess would be what other people have guessed: Spock learning of Kirk’s death and remembering his first adventures with Kirk.

mctrekkie @#7: Many of the production crew members have already been unveiled and they have all worked with Abrams in the past. Michael Giacchino (who most recently scored Disney/Pixar’s Ratatouille) has been tagged to compose the film’s score; Dan Mindel will be director of photography; Scott Chambliss will be production designer; and Industrial Light & Magic will provide the visual effects. As for other positions – editor, costume designer, etc. – there hasn’t been anything reported on them. However, given that the production staff thus far is comprised of those who worked on Abrams’ Mission: Impossible III (also for Paramount), I think it’s a safe bet that more people from that film will sign on for Star Trek, including costume designer Colleen Atwood and casting director April Webster. Editing will most likely be handled by Mary Jo Markey and/or Maryann Brandon.

Anyway, to Anthony, once again (as previously commented when this story was initially posted), way to go! Keep up the great work. :)

14. Michael Hall - July 28, 2007

JC–yeah, that brings back some memories for me too. Even when I was living in Bangkok I couldn’t wait to get my hands on Susan Sackett’s monthly ST: Phase II reports in Starlog. I think I was still there when she reported that the whole project had unfortunately imploded, but that all hope was not lost as there was still another possibility that might bear fruit–which of course six months later was revealed as plans for a big-budget motion picture, culminating with the press conference featuring Robert Wise, Roddenberry, and all of the original cast. Just once more instance of Trek having a near-death experience, and then coming back stronger than ever.

15. Chuck Amuck a.k.a. Shran - July 28, 2007

Jörg@#3: Hey, that’s actually a possibility. They may use that. Nice catch there. By the way… don’t I know you? :D

16. Greg2600 - July 28, 2007

First Kirk Enterprise mission would preclude that McCoy likely would not be in the film. I don’t know what Lindelhof is getting at, I don’t see much of clues in those things? Part of the question is whether this will be an individual mission kind of thing, or the start of a series of sequels? If they are looking to build a long term series on the new Kirk and Spock, you would have to assume they will be on the Enterprise. I am not a fan of that, because that starts to become a reboot of TOS. I don’t see much wiggle room there, because TOS “Where No Man Has Gone Before” is set pretty much right at the beginning of the 5 year mission in 2265. I would figure, if they go by canon, that this will take place somewhere between the dikironium cloud creature incident on the Farragut in 2257 and then. Kirk goes from a Lieutenant to Captain in only 10 years. There must have been a reason for such a fast rise. Gary Mitchell seemed to rise along with Kirk just as much, so I would assume Gary would be part of the movie. Spock spent most of that time on duty on the Enterprise, so unless there is a special mission of some sort, how does he meet Kirk? I would think these years are where they are going with the movie, not the 5 year mission. At least that would be my preference. Regardless of Nimoy or Shatner’s involvement, I am simply not a fan of redoing TOS 5 year mission with new actors. That would seem like a big budget fan film to me, and I’d have a hard time taking it seriously. Doing the pre-TOS years allows for more characters. Like I said, Kirk rose so quickly, you have to figure he was involved in some pretty big missions, which is what the movie should cover.

17. SMM - July 28, 2007

I’m sure I am completely wrong here, but when I look at that new poster, I keep seeing the mirror universe based on the white background and black star lettering. I also think Quinto would look good with a beard…….

I know it probably wont be the case because I imagine that would be confusing to those who are not already familiar with Trek.

18. Penhall - July 28, 2007

I’m glad Abrams is at least attempting to get a good part for Shatner in there. He might just be saying that to calm people down, but I hope he menas it and finds something for Shatner to do.

I think Quinto will be a good Spock, and the whole idea of seeing the original Enterprise on the big screen is so awesome.

I hope they dont make the sets look like the recent Trek series stuff. Sure, update them and make them look newer and stuff, but keep that retro 60s feel to them.

19. Craig - July 28, 2007

What if it starts with Spock in the 24th Century flashing back to when Kirk and Spock met, maybe Kirk and Spock first met when Kirk took command of the 1701 from Pike. Then as the 1701 pulls out of Spacedock Kirk then remembers the time when he was at the Academy and gettting promoted during the movie.

20. Thomas - July 28, 2007

I don’t think so, Craig. That seems like an awful lot like having a dream within a dream.

21. THEETrekMaster - July 28, 2007

Please, NO ACADEMY CRAP!!!!

22. Kerlo - July 28, 2007

I think the BIG questions is, what role will Greg Grunberg have in the new movie?!?!?!

23. Kev - July 28, 2007

Can’t see much here. “Stardate 12-25-08″ is the film’s release date, December 25, 2008. If i had to guess i’d say it’s TOS when Kirk takes command, but with black neck shirts..

24. Ryan Riddle - July 28, 2007

I agree that it might be stardate 1225.08, which is before “Where No Man Has Gone Before,” actually quite a bit before it.

It could be set before Kirk takes command of the Enterprise or his first mission as Captain, which has been told previously in the novel “Enterprise: First Adventure” and the first annual of DC comics first-series of Trek comics, “All Those Years Ago…”

Both had McCoy as CMO and the novel had Spock, not Mitchell as XO. The novel and the comic, iirc, make mention of McCoy having to eventually take a temporary leave to attend his daughter’s graduation, which supposedly was why Piper was CMO in WNMHGB.

This is no doubt that this movie is about the establishment of the friendship of Kirk and Spock, and why they are so close.

25. Shadow6283 - July 28, 2007

#11-

Thanks for dropping in, JC. As a non-Trek Fan, you’re going to play an integral part in Trek’s future success. I hope many more like you not only stop by, but lend your thoughts, and give this new movie a chance. The more voices the better, I always say, speaking for myself, a longtime Trekker. Welcome aboard.

Starlog. Those were the days. That mag started out as a one-shot tribute to Star Trek, [I still have it!] and ended up growing into something of an institution itself over the years. Maybe history will repeat itself with this site. Time will tell.

26. Captain Pike - July 28, 2007

I’ll all for a “Kirk’s first mission as captain” movie. It could have McCoy as a bit of a fudge, but it definitely should have Pike making the transfer of command and Mitchell as Kirk’s XO.

That’s my fanboy wish. I have no idea who should play Kirk, though.

And I’d be quite happy to have it begin with Old Spock remembering about his early days with Kirk. It really doesn’t need Shatner. If you include Shatner where do you stop? Do you have cameos by Takei, Koenig, Nichols, CGI Doohan and Kelley too? Heck if anybody should have a cameo it’s Eddie Paskey! Let add that to my list Pike, Mitchell, and MR. LESLIE should appear in ST’08

27. JC - July 28, 2007

Device for including current Shatner?Mind- meld flashback?That may be too fanboy for a mainstream movie.I don’t know.

28. Chuck Amuck a.k.a. Shran - July 28, 2007

For the record, here’s Anthony’s coverage of that item I linked in the previous post. I couldn’t find it before.

http://trekmovie.com/2007/07/22/nimoy-coy-about-part-in-new-star-trek/

29. Craig - July 28, 2007

#20
Do you think the only flashback will be just Spock in the future maybe the 24th Century remembering when him and Spock first met when Kirk took command of the Enterprise? Then it would just move foward from their without anymore flashbacks? I hope they have Pike in the movie handing over command of the 1701 to Kirk. Would that be cool to do a short flyby scene with Pike taking Kirk to 1701 in a shuttle. Not do it as long as the TMP scene? This would also be good a way to do the movie.

30. DJT - July 28, 2007

My first reaction to the starfield pattern is to say that it is from TWOK somewhere. Maybe the Kobiyashi Maru sequence? I’m not sure. But that’s what my gut is telling me, and I don’t argue with my gut.

: )

31. marty - July 28, 2007

Well depending on how true to TOS year 1 stuff, if it is Kirk’s first mission, then Kirk’s friend in the movie will be Mitchell, and the Spock stuff will be weird for a time. I think this is the best period to do, but Mitchell will confuse non-Trek fans.

Showing Spock’s adjustment from Pike to Kirk will also be interesting. It would also be interesting if they did not have Mitchell as Kirk’s first XO, but instead had Number One.

I really do hope it is Captain Kirk’s origin story as captain, and it does have a Pike, and maybe has some McCoy backstory too. They could easily put McCoy on the ship and then have him injured during the mission to explain his absence later, or they could have McCoy and Kirk serving together just prior to Kirk’s promotion.

32. Xai - July 28, 2007

I think you’re going to see Pike handing over the keys to the new, very young captain and telling him to “keep her below warp six”. Spock will raise an eyebrow at his outgoing capatin’s comment and the audience will giggle. But I am guessing like everyone else.
Our poster designs and tshirts can only yield so many clues. I don’t think the release date is of special significance othe than it’s Christmas. More information will come, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see Nimoy’s character involved in a death scene, but with no disernable date given, other than far into the TNG era and well beyond “unification”.

VOODOO…
Hey, thanks for the compliments. You and I have differing opinions of some things Trek, but not all. I was pleased and surprised by your kind comments. Thanks again.
LLAP.

33. Xai - July 28, 2007

#30 DJT
My gut feeling on the starfield was… they used colored stars in the mix. Bravo!

But…. (it’s a secret..shhhh)
(If you play “connect the dots” with all the greater magnitude stars on the poster it spells out “Shatner is signed and playing games”)

Try it and you’ll see.

LOL

34. s a - July 28, 2007

what about the Guardian of Forever? that would explain a lot and even allow for the involved of Kirk (who is dead)

35. s a - July 28, 2007

what about the Guardian of Forever? that would explain a lot and even allow for the involvement of Kirk (who is dead)

36. Buckaroohawk - July 28, 2007

marty,

Congratulations on being one of the few people I’ve heard mention that Gary Mitchell was Kirk’s First Officer in “Where No Man Has Gone Before.” Most people think Spock was always the First Officer since he held the post through most of TOS, but he was promoted into the position after Kirk dropped a big ol’ rock on Mitchell’s head.

As for the supposed “clues,” I think we’re being duped here. Aside from the use of the TOS type font and the arrowhead design on the t-shirt I can find nothing in the way of evidence of when the movie will be set. My guess is that they were trying to bolster poster and t-shirt sales at the con.

37. Xai - July 28, 2007

… and I WANT a Tshirt.
XL, if anyone’s buying.

38. Flake - July 28, 2007

So all it can be is TOS and Enterprise (When and Where)

39. Xai - July 28, 2007

#38 Flake
It can in in and around TOS if you believe the poster hints and Quintos age lends itself to a younger Spock. But you could also have much of this happening on a different or multiple ship(s) or on Enterprise, late in Pike’s command.

40. JC - July 28, 2007

14 Michael.Yeah.Susan Sackett wrote that column.Pretty good remembry !

41. JC - July 28, 2007

Remembry: When you suddenly remember a memory that You filed away.Also refering to ones ability to summon memories and facts.

42. mctrekkie - July 28, 2007

Hey, thanks 13 (chuck Amuk)

Yeah that helps flesh it out a bit.

I still think there is no reason, at this point with Shatner can’t be in it-

Spock could meet up with Kirk before Kirk goes Orbital Skydiving.

Spock has a bad feeling and warns Kirk that these are dangerous times for him to be taking such risks, and warns him:

Speaking of that cut Skydiving Sequence-

(“Look out Jim, you’re about to be hit by a bad Ronald D Moore script, … or duck, Jim … look out for that McGuffin!)

Actually, just a tiny bit of exposition would work here,

AND if they can CGI Patrck Strewart and IanMcKellan to be a bit younger (X Men) then they cvn do a similar bit for our two heroes. That would work even better if they were talking over a video comm link (smaller images for us to nit-pick about)

Heck they can even (please don’t flame me…) Blend in some old/unused footage.

I still think the conundrum here for the producers is how to make it work for us, and how to keep it relevant for the new audience.

I don’t want Shatner forced in- Hopefully there will be some imagination here.

Also, having not seen any new acceptable names for young Kirk in a while-

(Robbie Williams… ugh!)

1) How about Nathon Fillion (too old?- But hey, he has the “space rogue” thing down)

2) How about James Marsden (after a few acting classes)

43. Kobayashi Maru - July 28, 2007

Kirk will be promoted for averting that near disaster on the Farragut cited in the TOS episode “Court-Martial”, will see him make an enemy out of Finney, though he won’t be aware of it at the time.
The bump coincides with Pike’s promotion, so he will get the Enterprise, as the youngest captain in Star fleet.
If he brings Gary Mitchell with him,than we know these writers are paying attention, if not it’s because this movie is already character heavy, but either way, there will be transitional awkwardness between Kirk and Spock.
Spock is very loyal to Pike, he doesn’t quite appreciate the “cowboy diplomacy” of Kirk. Kirk has quiet moments of self doubt about this awesome responsibility, not to mention feeling a little hostility from veteran officers like Montgomery Scott, who has just been made Chief Engineer, and believing that they handed his ship over to a kid.
Kirk’s biggest challenge may not be what’s out there, but in earning the respect of the crew.
This is my wish movie anyway. As long as it isn’t framed with Nimoy/Spock hi-jacking the Enterprise and taking it to Talos IV, where he can set Kirk’s katra free, to frolic with Pike and green animal women slaves, although that would bring things full circle.
William Shatner would love that!

44. Mr. Mike - July 28, 2007

#43

Why not?

Kirk went back for Spock even though he had “died”. Why would Spock not do the same upon recieving news of Kirk’s death? There are many ways to do this with time travel being but one option. Some of Trek’s best have been time travel stories (imagine old Spock recruits young Kirk and young Spock to save old Kirk for example).

The fact that events took place in the Nexus in “Generations” definately leaves soom room for creative writing as well.

It would bring everything full circle as mentioned, the end meeting with the beginning. I’m sure this probably isn’t the direction they are taking but it could be, and if done right it would please this fan. I HATE how they finished Kirk…HATE IT. It’s not that they killed him, but how. The only thing that almost made it respectable was Shatner’s brilliant “Oh my…”, delivered with such a sense of curiosity and awe.

Too bad it was after they just had him fall off a cliff… but now I’m ranting.

45. Michael - July 28, 2007

Just a thought on the Poster.
I see the Paramount Logo in the bottom right corner.
Anyone have any idea what the OTHER symbol is???
I can’t enlarge it enough to see clearly.

Also…Anthony: You should make a deal to sell the shirts on this site!

And- I agree with McTrekkie #42
(Robbie Williams… ugh!)

46. Tom_NX - July 28, 2007

#45

That is the “Bad Robot” Symbol

47. Kobayashi Maru - July 28, 2007

#44
I was making a joke Mr. Mike
A gimmick like Talos IV would still be a vast considerable improvement to the Generations debacle, but I am sure everyone is through with that tangent.
Kirk didn’t get hit with some weapon or radiation, he took a big spill.
If they had to, they could pull Nomad out of time and it could repair him the way it fixed Scotty, I don’t care, just as long as they bring Shatner back to disavow that damn Generations death!

48. Father Rob - July 28, 2007

I am going to say something that I can’t believe I am going to say… and I am certainly not advocating for it… but I see this as a bigger possibility than Shatner.

Patrick Stewart.

It would be easier to work in PS than WS… mainly because you could set the wraparound story in the midst of the TNG episode “Unification, Part II” while Spock is on Romulus. Picard was on Romulus in the company of Spock for several days… and it is obvious they had the chance to talk.

Why not show a conversation where Spock and Picard delve into a deeper discussion on Cowboy Diplomacy and use that as a lead-in to the story.

It preserves continuity (which I am sure Paramount will demand be done, unless this is a true Reboot… and all signals say it isn’t) and makes TNG fans happy.

On the other hand, while it is the most logical way I can think of to work in another Trek captain, it isn’t what I would choose to do.

Rob+

49. Michael - July 28, 2007

#46. Tom_NX So maybe the “Bad Robot” is a clue.

Maybe JJ is going to reveal that Our beloved James Tiberius couldn’t have “died” in the Nexus.
Movie opens with a much Older Spock, (post Unification), entering the Nexus to rescue his friend. (Returning the favor).
That is when he discovers that the Kirk that “died”, was nothing more than a renegade, (Bad), robot.
As Mr. Spock is struck by the Logic, AND the Irony, he begins a low rumbling Growl that turns into a GIANT Belly Laugh.
Now, himself stuck in the Nexus with time on his hands, and struggling with Years of emotions that have suddenly surfaced, he must find a way to reach back in time and get a message to his younger self…Or go INSANE

50. Michael - July 28, 2007

Either that, or we are getting a Robot, ala “Lost In Space”

DANGER – DANGER JJ ABRAMS

51. Adam Cohen - July 28, 2007

I wonder how closely canon is going to be followed here.

On the one hand, you have Nimoy’s Spock involved, which points to this being pretty faithful to established Trek. But then you have all this other canon involved (McCoy not being a member of the Enterprise crew at the start of Kirk’s 5-year mission, etc.) that would limit the storytelling quite a bit. I wonder how closely Abrams will follow the past storylines. My point being this:

If Abrams chooses to break with some of the past, why not bring Shatner back then? Ignore Generations for the disaster that it truly is. Sherlock Holmes had resets in that series, things get rebooted or retconned all the time. Kirk’s death was a disgrace. Shatner and Nimoy sharing screentime together would be a nice way of giving the fans a “do-over.” Make it happen, J.J.

52. Aaron R. (Sisko could be their in the end?) - July 28, 2007

A couple points on this.

Points about your supposed clues…

A. Font indicates TOS era as to when.
B. Delta on shirt is only used on Enterprise during TOS era and that is your where.

Simple enough for any rabid fan like me to read into right away.

Some other points and questions…

1. What is your obsession with Gary Mitchell? It was just a bit part in one eppisode that seems to have been glorified to the point of no return. I for one could care less about gary Mitchell and hope he is not just put in this movie for the purist fan base. I don’t mean to be rude but Gary is a charater we know nothing about other than the brief mention of friendship in the pilot and I have to say I am glad of it. This does not and should not be a Gary story in any capacity.

2. I just had a really bad thought… You won’t like this but I will put my money on it and see… We know that Nimoy is quite aged I had a very grizzly scenario fly through my head when looking at the poster and reading these posts etc. Spock in the 24th century on his death bed. I know you didn’t want me to say it but I did… On his death bed telling the TRUE story of the first mission so that someone (possibly a next gen era actor such as Picard or Data) can set the record straight after all these years. The movie culminates on two huge levels… 1st the younger crew story completion and second the older Spock in the future passing away just as he is able to complete the story once and for all. Think about the emotional impact of that scene alone (something Nimoy himself was required was for the part to be meaningful and important)

As I see it that would by far be the most bittersweet way that Nimoy and the entire TOS cast could pass the torch on to the newest generation to play them. Literally the death of the old and the birth of the young again.

Don’t be overly critical but what do you think???

Aaron R.

53. AnferTuto - July 28, 2007

Hola faretaste
mekodinosad

54. Captain Pike - July 28, 2007

Re: Gary Mitchell. Some of us have been reminding the powers that be about Gary Mitchell for at least a year now. It got kind of tired and made us look like parental basement dwelling fanboys so we haven’t brought it up lately. I’m not holding my breath but GM should be Kirk’s XO if it takes place before WNMHGB.

Re: Jean Luc Picard. Then Nimoy was confirmed the first thing I visualized was an elderly Spock reminiscing to Picard about Kirk. It would be “illogical” for Spock to tell Kirk’s story to Kirk, wouldn’t it? Then again in my own mind TNG is not so much a continuation as an alternate history/reboot. It just never looked/felt/tasted like the same TOS universe to me. I don’t think they will do it, but it would be fan service for the TNG’ers

55. Demode - July 28, 2007

I would be happy to see Picard in the film with Spock. It would make sense, as Picard was the last person with Kirk when he died. As well, both him and Kirk were in the Nexxus.

You could even just have it be the “Nexxus Picard”, as a part of you is suppose to remain in the Nexxus forever, and he could be a guide for Spock.

Picard also has good chemistry with both Spock and Kirk. With McCoy gone, he helps form a nice new triangle with Spock and Kirk.

56. THX-1138 - July 28, 2007

Picard aint gonna be in this. It might be fun speculation, but it won’t happen. I would put dollars to donuts that there won’t be a single hint of anything from the Next Gen era.

I am curious to see how the whole McCoy issue is handled though. And I really couldn’t care less if Gary Mitchell is in this or not.

57. Londo - July 28, 2007

#54: “I’m not holding my breath but GM should be Kirk’s XO if it takes place before WNMHGB.”

I thought that Spock was the XO at that point, not Mitchell – that’s why he’s wearing a yellow (or greenish-yellowish-brown) shirt rather than a blue one. Mitchell was just the helmsman.

58. Marcus from Sweden - July 28, 2007

It would be nice to see Kirk in the movie but I don’t like the fact that he’s not in the script already. And I don’t like the fact that they have’nt cast young Kirk yet. Though I like Nimoy’s comment on why he’s doing it, perhaps we really can look forward to a good swory that satisfy both fans and newbies.

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60. Marcus again and still from Sweden ;-) - July 28, 2007

What I ment was that I would likd to see Shatner as Kirk in the film. But to begin at this point to “calibrate” the script to fit him into the story does not feel good. They start filming in November and that does not leave much room for that or/and finding an actor as a young Kirk. My fingers are crossed and I hope this ultimately will be the rebirth of Trek.

61. Xplodin' Nacelle - July 28, 2007

Maube Riker aboard the Titan could take Spock, & Picard to Veridian III. This would bookend both the TOS, & TNG film eras nicely. I really don’t care to see Marina Sirtis, but I suppose a cameo wouldn’t hurt.

Then during the bulk of the movie it takes all of the throw away lines from TOS, & The TOS movies and comes up w/ one coherent story. I think it’d be great if it included people like Mitchell, Finnegan, Garrovick, Finney, Ruth, General Koord, Carol, Pike, & maybe April as a Commodore.

All of these people could be shown having a profund impact on Cadet/Lt. Kirk’s young life, particularly if their stories are intertwined. i.e. Mitchell could be teaching a class on Koord’s military strategy to Kirk, & Spock. Kirk is way too engrosed in his studying to enjoy his life. Carol could be Mitchells best friend who he steers Kirk’s way after he is let down by Ruth. Then her sister Carol gets pregnant by Kirk, but feels Finnegan is a better choice to raise her kid because he is assigned to a lab instead of a starship. So she chooses to leave with him, & names the kid after him, David, the biggest slap in the face to Kirk.

Thoughts? / Comments?

62. redstatesrule - July 28, 2007

I hope there’s nothing ultra in depth like … find out what exact episode the starfield is from and determine whate episode this has relation to … otherwise I’m not seeing many clues.

63. Xai - July 28, 2007

#49, 50 Michael
The only clue the Bad Robot logo on the poster is likely to hold is that it’s the name of the production company.

I doubt there are hidden clues inside the ad media we’ve seen other than those that Anthony mentioned. An interesting angle, but doubtful.

64. konar - July 28, 2007

There’s something about the poster that makes me think of The Cage.

Maybe it is going to be about the accident that crisped Pike, and Spock having to turn the E over to Kirk after serving as acting captain.

65. Ralph F - July 28, 2007

The film will end with the ENTERPRISE, maybe. Not start with it, but end with Kirk getting command.

I dunno. It all depends on how the new story pans out. I always figured this as the birth of a new canon, not necessarily fitting in with the existing canon.

66. Michael - July 28, 2007

#63. Xai – I couldn’t enlarge the pic enough to see that it was the Bad Robot Logo, But am aware that it is JJ’s production Company.
To Quote #47. Kobayashi Maru to #44:
“I was making a Joke!”
I have to agree with
#52. Aaron R.
A. Font indicates TOS era as to when.
B. Delta on shirt is only used on Enterprise during TOS era and that is your where.

Simple enough for any rabid fan like me to read into right away.

#64 Konar – Nah, that wouldn’t fit. While Spock obviously knew of his old Captains injuries, It had to be explained to Kirk.

67. Lukas - July 28, 2007

Nimoy in this film equals old Spock old Spock=24th Century because obviously thats where he is (possibly still on Romulus) maybe they’re bridging two eras here? Even if they are though its obvious the 23rd century will be the primary setting.

68. Thomas Jensen - July 28, 2007

Shatner could still end up in the film….. The ‘real’ Kirk is found wandering, then we find that this aged, but original Kirk is the one who spent the last 14 years in the Nexus. The Nexus was on a return course to the planet where Kirk died. The Nexus dropped Kirk off, collects the deposit and moves on. We come to know that this is the original Kirk, Spock has already sensed this and is on his way to find Kirk. He does it, and they both reminisce about the events which will happen in the film as they return back to earth together. Yeah, that’s the ticket….

Of course, this would have to be the quick version and it would allow both actors to have their great moments acting together in the film. Spock is at his best when he plays off Kirk, so it would be unfortunate to have Nimoy without Shatner. If they just do the “hey Kirk’s back” thing in real time then no explanation of their aging would be needed. Of course, the Shat could stand to loose a little weight for the film or we could see that Kirk ended up opening a restaurant chain in the Nexus and ended up a little heavy. But hey, Kirk could be found alive and then both actors could jaw about the days when they met.

But if Kirk stays dead, I’m sure Nimoy will still bring some heat to the thing on his own.

69. Ralph F - July 28, 2007

In the “Bring Back Kirk” film, Spock goes into the Nexus and finds Kirk. Allowing that there’s no linear time in the Nexus, that’s why he’s still there, per se. They could even fix the flub of whoever that woman was on the horse, and have Joan Collins do a cameo as Edith Keeler (sp?) which is (to any fan of TOS) who should have been there with him in the first place.

There’s got to be more a way to tie it in — not just the Nexus, but maybe utilizing the Guardian of Forever? — maybe it won’t simply be a “remember when we…”, maybe it will be the start of a new timeline. (and thus the whole new canon with this film series) (making the assumption it’ll be a big enough hit to spawn a series) Nimoy gets Kirk from the Nexus, then uses the Guardian to go back to a turning point in their meeting and subtly changes something. (a la Back to the Future; Lone Pine Mall Syndrome)

I’m giving myself a headache thinking about it, but I always come back to the phrase, “there are always possibilities…”

70. Lou - July 28, 2007

I doubt if this first prequel movie will show Kirk taking command of the Enterprise. If this turns out to be a trilogy of movies that would be the plot for the third one.

My best guess is, based on JJ Abrams telling Matt Damon that JJ needs an actor to play an early twenties Kirk, that the movie will start on the USS Farragut.

Through some events the Farragut and the Enterprise are paired up to handle an important mission or crisis and during that mission Kirk and Spock meet for the first time representing each other’s ship.

At this point in time Spock would probably outrank Kirk so the potential for some great relationship reversals between the two could be explored.

In any event this is exciting times again in ST fandom. Can’t wait to see what they have cooked up and really looking forward to seeing some Constitution class starships on the silver screen!

71. Ralph F - July 28, 2007

And has anyone considered the possibility that Nimoy is going to be involved, not as Spock, but as Sarek? That was joked about before, but maybe that’s the hook, and why Shatner is not involved.

(Personally, I think Shat should play a Klingon Commander, in the same way I think that Sean Connery would have made a great villain in one of the more recent JAMES BOND flicks.)

72. Xai - July 28, 2007

#71 Ralph,
I believe Nimoy was confirmed as Spock on this site. Correct me if I am wrong.

73. Carl Kolchak - July 28, 2007

If I were doing this film, I would have Old Spock beginning the flashback of his first adventures with Kirk after hearing of Old Kirk’s death. I wouldn’t interrupt the narrative after that until the very end, where we rejoin Old Spock in his melacholy revery. A hand clasps his shoulder, we pan slowly up to reveal….
the smiling face of Old Kirk.

Fade to Black

74. matt - July 28, 2007

I always thought when Spock heard of Kirk’s death he would have gone to Veridian III and picked up the body for a proper burial on Earth. Spock owed that to him! What Picard did always seemed like a temporary burial. From what I understood was that Riker was placed in charge of the dissasembeling of the crashed Enterprise saucer and transport by cargo ship off the planet. So maybe if he talks to anyone it would be Riker. But I get the feeling that this would be a mission of solitude for Spock and a time to remember his friend.

75. Gary Seven - July 28, 2007

I have a question. How can they do a “I remember when” with Kirk, set before he dies in “Generations,” if William Shatner/Kirk is going to look more than a decade older than when he “died? ” Generations” was made 13 years ago.
I thought a “I remember when” theme would work until my friend pointed out this difficulty.
Any comments?

76. Best Guess, Mr. Sulu - July 28, 2007

Funny how Trekdom gives wish lists with detailed specifics. I guess my two quatloos are no different….

If this movie involves the Enterprise…

* RAY LIOTTA as Captain Christopher Pike, handling over the reins of NCC-1701 to Captain James T. Kirk. A mention of Robert April would be nice.

* Minimal Starfleet Academy stuff, please. Seeing the Kobeyashi Maru test on the TOS-style bridge would be cool, but let’s avoid an “academy movie.”

* Gary Mitchell – YES. Carol Marcus – YES. Scotty – YES. Other TOS’ers – NO (unless Rosario Dawson is seen as Uhura).

And I’m not naive: We’re gonna see updated sets, costumes, etc. as part of this reboot. Just don’t mess too heavily with NCC-1701, please.

77. dannyboy1 - July 29, 2007

Guys, seriously. I haven’t read all of the posts, but…

Stardate 12.25.08 doesn’t reflect a date in the movie.
It’s simply saying the film will be released on Christmas Day next year!!!

Someone in one of the posts might have understood it correctly, but all the ones I read just didn’t get it!!!

78. Ben - July 29, 2007

Great Site ! CHEERS

For a start I’m just happy my fave TOS character Nimoy is the movie – on top of that even confirmed as Spock. That Hero actor seems allright.

I hope the new film is succsessfull – because if it is ît’s certain that more films or and series of Star Trek will follow. I love Star Trek, the new and the old. It’s good entertainment, dreaming of space-traveling.

As for all of you who want to have Kirk, Pike, Mitchell, April and 100s others back – keep in mind the “general” audience and try to lay of the fanboys glasses. (no disrespect meant)

The Film surely will have some “Trek Insider Jokes and Quotes and even Cameos” but I highly doubt it will have so many of them, fixing so many things from previous films and series.

LLAP

79. Josh T. ( Kirk is only awesome on days ending with Y) Kirk Esquire' - July 29, 2007

The magnitude 3 intensity star in the upper left quadrant of the letter R CLEARLY indicates this film takes place during the time period of Kirks first ass waxing of a blue skinned feminine humanoid. This is your when.

The black star field font and white background CLEARLY indicate this is the same universe as the “Counter Clock Incident,” an anti-matter universe where time runs backward. This is your where.

I’m surrounded by such plebes. ;)

80. StarTrekRocker - July 29, 2007

What is the deal with all of this “search for the clues” things that these guys seem to like to do? Didn’t we just go thru that with the whole “cloverfield” thing, searching the internet for things that were never found? I’m thinking that “Lost” has some kind of sub-culture dedicated to finding clues about that show as well, don’t they?

Ok sure, I can understand a nice ploy to stir up the interest among the fans, but at least give us real tangible concrete things that aren’t some obscure reference to things that the casual fan wouldn’t have any idea about.

So yeah, I looked for the clues. I see the words Star Trek writen in “space” letters… Wow! Could the new movie possibly have something to do with space? D’oh! Gee, that’s incredible! Lol!

I’ll admit, I like a good mystery and trying to find clues, but I don’t like chasing my tail looking for things that aren’t there. I’d really like to be able to have something concrete and tangible in my hand at the end as a result of my hard and dedicated effort.

Oh how I love to see the ol’ marketing machine getting revved up. Heh.

Oh well, as long as the movie is a success, I suppose I shouldn’t really care.

Peace out!

\\//_

81. KevinA - Melbourne Australia - July 29, 2007

NO ENTERPRISE until late or at end of movie!

The story could be written from Leonard Nimoy’s perspective, Spock Senior that is. Sometime after Kirks death, a very senior Spock recants the story of yesteryear to someone or something (maybe writing memoir’s) Maybe before his death (Final Death that is!) It would give a meaning full reason to bring back Nimoy and fit in with why there is no Shatner…because he’s already dead and doesn’t really fit into this scenario!

The story will biuld up to Kirk and Spock meeting and a friendship started. Probably just after Spock’s 1st tour of duty on the Enterprise under Captain Pyke. Young Kirk will have to serve on at least one or more Sat Ships to move up in rank. There will be some sort of Star Ship Battle where Kirk and Spock are thrust together to form their initial relationship, maybe life saving, but not necessarily on the Enterprise???

If he is as good as what everybody is saying he is, then JJ Abrams should be able to weave an exciting movie together with meetings (all the cast at various points), Space battles and the Federation! All leading up to the big moment! …… Kirks posting to the Enterprise!

….and there …. in the tradition of The Voyage Home….we see the Enterprise sail off from Space Dock, with Captain Kirk, Mr.Spock, Bones Scotty and the rest on there first 5 year mission together …… Kirk’s monologue start’s “Space the final Frontier, these are the voyages of the Star Ship Enterprise…..” – – – – and straight on to the sequel!

82. Admiral_Bumblebee - July 29, 2007

Kirk and Shatner fit into every scenario! The writers should use their brains and write him in. There are so many possibilities to bring back Kirk/Shatner. He belongs in this movie!

83. Chuck Amuck a.k.a. Shran - July 29, 2007

For those of you riding the “Kirk is in the Nexus” wave, remember that a person’s “echo” is only left behind in the Nexus if they are forced from the Nexus. When the Enterprise-B transported Guinan from the Lakul while she was engulfed by the Nexus, it left behind her “echo”. Kirk and Picard, on the other hand, left the Nexus willingly to fight Soran, so they would not have left echoes behind.

Just a little fyi. ;)

84. Chuck Amuck a.k.a. Shran - July 29, 2007

dannyboy1@77: We are aware that the date on the poster is the release date of the film. But we were searching for clues in the poster for the setting of the film, and one of them is the possibility that “stardate 1225.08″ could be a subtle indicator of the film’s setting (i.e. before the second pilot).

85. EdDR - July 29, 2007

If a “ceremony” of transfer of command takes place between Pike and Kirk, maybe “Federation Earth Ambassador ” April would attend – cameo part for Tom Hanks, who I heard loves Star Trek.

86. Thomas Jensen - July 29, 2007

Actually despite post #68, I’d rather they only give notice to the 79 episodes and six original crew movies. Kirk never dies, we move on simply and effectively to the events in the new movie. It’s back to the original series basics and thus we have Star Trek as it once was.

And now I run for cover for proposing the producers of this new film ignore all other treks…

87. Smike van Dyke - July 29, 2007

I guess we’re gonna get an all-TOS-style movie, classic retro Trek! Full stop.

Just look at the Simpsons Movie. It dared to be “ugly” and 2D in an era of 3D animation and it rocks both creatively and financially BECAUSE it stays true to the TV show.

For over 30 years they tried to update the look of Trek over and over again. It worked fine with the TOS movies and the TNG series but they defintely failed to capture the Trek feeling in the NG movies and parts of VOY and ENT.

What they’re heading at is TOS on the big screen:

– classic NCC-1701, slightly modified to look more realistic
– colorful uniforms (though not made of cotton but a very futuristic material not unlike the Superman suit in Superman Returns)
– classic designs for phasers and tricorders, just a littled updated to look cool on the big screen
– TOS cast look-alikes to recapture the classic adventure (Z. Quinto, Eion Bailey, Gary Sinese)

It will have great outer space SFX and definitely no paper planets. These are the things that will increase the budget but they will keep the classic design. Abrams has learned from the Nemesis distaster. It was too dark and too far away from the TNG series in style and content. That’s why it failed. If you wanna watch a dark future film, watch Alien or Matrix. This is gonna be Star Trek as it used to be, not more, not less, maybe a little updated but closer to the Original than anything post-STVI…

88. robert snipes - July 29, 2007

I’m just glad star trek will be carried on to the next generation it is a good template for a functional society.

89. david kampling - July 29, 2007

if they were going to do all of those things, then it would be called star trek 11, i think some of you have lost the site that this is a rebrith of the star trek franchise, not and excuse to ring back captain kirk from the dead. the only aspect from any previous series is enterprise, in a technology sense. ive always noticed that in star trek first contact, that zefram saw the enterprise e, and that that changed the influence on design from that point, thats the best i could accept to even watch that series….but again i say its a rebirth, so maybe nothing should apply.

90. John_Pemble - July 29, 2007

You said it #5. It’s a poster with a date and t-shirts. Th

91. martin anderson - July 29, 2007

Ok, how about. The film begins with the Paramount logo, and the Star Trek logo appearing. This is to the familiar Jerry Goldsmith, opening, and eventually fading into a new theme, that leads into the next few scenes. Then we approach planet Vulcan as the text “Vulcan”, and the stardate roughly around “9715.7” and year “2293” appear as a caption.

We then cut or fade into a beautiful panorama of some Vulcan scenery. Perhaps even have opening credits which go over these views.

Once we finish with the opening, the music fades to nothing, and all we can here is the natural soundscape of Vulcan (wind, sand, vultures/crows or something similar etc) We then see a secluded mansion on a tall hill/cliff in the distance, and a lone figure walking out of a small craft, and up to the front gate.

They ring a bell or gong and we move to an ariel view showing an old lady moving from the front door of the mansion to the gate. She opens it, and the vulcan messenger speaks with her in vulcan. The messenger says something like “I have come to deliver a message to the ambassador.” she responds saying the ambassador is in seclusion and musn’t be disturbed.

The camera then pans to show a silhouette of a vulcan in one of the higher windows in the mansion.

We then see the gate close and a saddened old lady walk back towards the mansion. Once inside she walks up the stairs and knocks on the door. There is no response initially, so she knocks again to be grunted at.

She ignores it, and opens the door so we see someone sitting in a chair but from behind. She then speaks in english, and says something like, “I am sorry to disturb your meditation, but I am afraid I have bad news Spock”

And with the mention of the name, she moves around to face him, and we see his face looking up at her. This is Spock’s Mother BTW.

He asks her what is the message. She then informs him about Kirk’s Death on board the Enterprise B’s Maiden Launch.

There is only a slight expression change on Spock’s face, and he asks her to allow him some privacy. When she leaves we see Spock stand up and look out of the window, up into the sky, and a single tear falls from his cheek, but the expression is still the same.

We then cut to a shot of a shuttle craft heading towards Earth passing space dock. We follow the shuttle into the atmosphere. As the shuttle lowers through the clouds, we see San Fransisco, and the golden gate bridge. Moving on we approach the Starfleet presidio.

There we see a gathering of people, and images of Kirk, both young (TOS) and old (Generations Style).

An admiral is talking about James Kirk (this being his memorial) as others listen. Perhaps if it could be arranged, we could see some of the original cast, and perhaps even some of the Enterprise B staff.

They say some nice words about him, and then ask if anyone else wishes to speak. This is when we see Spock, walking towards the gathering from the shuttle which is in the distance, and Spock decides to talk about when they last spoke to each other. Perhaps they had a disagreement or a falling out. Perhaps over Spock not attending the launch of Enterprise B, or unification with Romulus. (this could be the flashback with Shatner)

Anyway…

This leads to Spock announcing his regret that that is how they parted ways. This could be like an echo to Kirk speaking at Spock’s Funeral in TWOK.

Then we see people eating and talking amongst themselves later that night inside a large function hall, with scenes of the golden gate bridge out of the windows light up at night.

Spock leaves the room and stands in the hallway (could be the hallway at the academy like at the start of TWOK) and Spock is contemplating while looking out. Then we see someone, a woman (Kirk’s almost fiance from Generations) approach Spock and asking if it was him.

She announces who she is, and they start talking. They walk down the corridor as she says how much she will miss him, and that he never really spoke about his son David, or about his early years before he was a starship captain.

Spock then stops and looks uncomfortable in his expression (a first for the film, a hint at emotion…)

He then starts talking about the past, and as he does, we cut or fade to a shot of space dock/dry dock as a small transport craft moves toward it. You get the usual comms traffic, “permission granted” “go to docking port Gamma” etc.

As the shuttle pans past the screen we see a starship, the USS Farragut.

The shuttle docks and we go to the interior as we see a young looking Lieutenant grade officer step out with a small shoulder bag, and a dress uniform under his arm.

He starts to walk toward the corridor and turbo lift, but hesitates as he doesn’t know where to go. He turns and asks one of the security officers standing by the docking port, which way is it to the executive officer’s office.

Once told he walks down towards the turbo lift, and as he is stepping in it, you hear a shout from another officer, asking him to hold the door.

He steps in and says thanks. Asks if this is his first assignment. The Lieutenant says something back. Then the other officer introduces himself as “Gary Mitchell” and in return, the lieutenant says…

“I’m James Kirk, but just call me Jim!”

And that is how I would like to see the start of this film.

As for the end, we have to see the launch of the USS Enterprise, with Robert April. Kirk watches this and his face is as if he has met the Love of his life. He says to Spock, one day, I’ll captain that ship, to which Spock looks dismissive and says “Indeed”, as if he is humoring him.

We can then return to Spock in the hallway. The woman, says some words of encouragement to Spock, who doesn’t respond. She then heads off saying it was a pleasure to meet Spock.

As she moves off, we look on Spock’s Face and he smiles for a moment, and we then go into the credits with the familiar ending music as used in First Contact, the original film, etc.

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93. Al - July 29, 2007

I think #52 has it. So…

1) Nimoy must have been tempted back by something meaningful and in a 2hr movie with other leads it can’t be measured in time, so it must be impact.

2) The only impact that powerful is the death of Spock, the one thing that would both close and, through deathbed memories or testimony, open the story of Star Trek.

3) Those memories will introduce Kirk and likely at the point of first meeting (though Spock might have heard of him before.)

4) JJ will ignore all details of Finney, Pike, the Farragut, etc. unless they serve the plot or can be unobtrusively included as a fan cameo moment.

5) Since the film is the for public, not for us fanboys, the Enterprise will appear, and not late in the movie.

6) Shatner could have fitted in if Kirk wasn’t dead, but it would still have been tough (Vulcans living longer than humans and the necessity that Spock is on his death bed looking back.) As it is, it is really problematic to see how he can be shoe-horned in.

If they’d only give a copy of the script to us, we could all make suggestions about how to fit Kirk in…

94. April R. (Yes I am a Girl.) - July 29, 2007

So as much fun as it is to sit on the sidelines and watch my husband post…I must not continue sitting on my hands not participating…its no fun!
So first of all I have to ask Who cares about Gary Mitchell?!? He was on the show ONCE. Kirk killed him and he was gone, and aside from his wicked glowing eyes he wasn’t that cool anyway. He was rather undeveloped and seriously he should just stay that way.
Secondly could everyone find it in their heart to accept the fact that Kirk is DEAD! He died and nothing will change that. Unfortunately for Kirk there is just no Genesis planet. Besides if Shatner has such a problem with the way in which Kirk met his demise why did he agree to film it? It is just silly……
Last of all I must compliment the producers on stating the obvious with their poster and t-shirt. We already knew that it was TOS era-ish and we knew that the film is due out 12 25 08 as for everyone saying that that it is stardate 1225.08 . Please your reading into it too much……

Until next time. \\//_

95. April R. (Yes I am a Girl.) - July 29, 2007

So as much fun as it is to sit on the sidelines and watch my husband(Aaron R. insert Sisko epithet here) post…I must not continue sitting on my hands not participating…its no fun!
So first of all I have to ask Who cares about Gary Mitchell?!? He was on the show ONCE. Kirk killed him and he was gone, and aside from his wicked glowing eyes he wasn’t that cool anyway. He was rather undeveloped and seriously he should just stay that way.
Secondly could everyone find it in their heart to accept the fact that Kirk is DEAD! He died and nothing will change that. Unfortunately for Kirk there is just no Genesis planet. Besides if Shatner has such a problem with the way in which Kirk met his demise why did he agree to film it? It is just silly……
Last of all I must compliment the producers on stating the obvious with their poster and t-shirt. We already knew that it was TOS era-ish and we knew that the film is due out 12 25 08 as for everyone saying that it is stardate 1225.08 . Please your reading into it too much……

Until next time. \\//_

96. April R. (Yes I am a Girl.) - July 29, 2007

Sorry about the multiple post…my comp just wigged out =0)

\\//_

97. Xai - July 29, 2007

welcome April

98. Al - July 29, 2007

A girl! A girl! Is she the first?

99. konar - July 29, 2007

what if it’s a Spock love story — I’m watching This Side of Paradise right now… What if they play out the moment in his life where he decides whether to “be” human or Vulcan? Maybe he’s ambitious, rash, emotional etc and something goes very wrong and that is the point where he changes. I think that would make a great story. And Spock’s struggle is one of the more interesting character conflicts in the entire series.

100. TrekNerd - July 29, 2007

Shatner does not have a problem with how he died, only the fans do.

101. Gary Seven - July 29, 2007

#95
“Is that a …
Is that a …
Is that a girl?”

102. T Negative - July 29, 2007

#100

Not true. Recently Shatner has expressed regret and disappointment towards Star Trek: Generations and how his death was portrayed in that film.

103. The Realist - July 29, 2007

A girl! Well I never! Welcome April R. (Yes I am a Girl.)

104. The Realist - July 29, 2007

95. April R. (Yes I am a Girl.) – July 29, 2007 – I like you style!

105. StarTrekRocker - July 30, 2007

StarTrekRocker

106. StarTrekRocker - July 30, 2007

Let’s try that again…

girl too —–>StarTrekRocker

but April’s siggy is much cuter!

Peace out! =/\=

107. dannyboy1 - July 30, 2007

I’ve always had a problem with the storyline of STAR TREK GENERATIONS in that the nexus only created illusions and happy scenarios for those inside. But it wasn’t a time-travel device. Picard could only have IMAGINED going back and stopping Soran but like everything else for those in the nexus – it wasn’t real.

In other words KIRK DIDN’T DIE!! All we need in the new film is a line like “Thank you once again, Spock. Only you could have found a way to rescue me from the nexus all those years ago.”

Problem solved. How about it J.J?

108. Hon. David Kulessa - July 30, 2007

#56

You’ll be horribly surprised when the movie is all about Spock helping B-4 to reintegrate Data’s katra into his positronic net.

Ew, that sounds horrible.
-TGP-

109. Ensign Green - July 30, 2007

Someone said something about the T-shirt being black, but it looks kind of gray to me. Back in the old days, gray was the color that the cadets wore.

I know this kind of contradicts the general impression that’s out there, but it’s a curious observation just the same.

110. SLL - July 30, 2007

Great and interesting speculations here boys and girls. Keep it comming!

111. Jim - July 30, 2007

Anyone try using a red or blue lens over the starfield? Maybe there’s a clue there.

112. Charley W - July 30, 2007

All this supposition about about the Nexus has me wondering. As I understand it, if they use something like the Nexus or Guardian of Forever, don’t they have to pay royalities to the writer for that episode?

Something else to think about might be: Why has Nimoy signed on? What got him to think “This is a good script?”

I don’t think we can reliably read much into the t-shirt or poster. The font and the gold-blue emblem are meant to be obvious. Anything more detailed is just supposition, although once the movie is released, we may see something minor in hindsight- the red stars, for instance, may turn out to be an in-joke as to how many red shirts die.

113. Ensign Green - July 30, 2007

I don’t think they’d have to pay royalties. I’m pretty sure that’s something they make you sign away before they make the episode.

You know, making it officially 100% property of the franchise.

114. Aaron R. (Yes I am a Boy. Obligatory Sisko reference here...) - July 30, 2007

I know! Spock on death bed sees Kirk with arms outstretched to bring him to heaven which may even be the nexus! Now anytime someone dies we can just fly their to coax them back for another movie!!! What is it the guiness guys say “Brilliant!”… Kidding of course! But everyone remember Anthony your my witness I called it Spock on deathbed gonna happen. I swear to god it will be like the DS9 epp with older Jake on death bed (so to speak) and when you leave the theatre you will be sobbing worse than Wrath of Kahn because it will be that powerful and emotional and whats more important it will be final.

Aaron R.

115. JRBINDFW - July 31, 2007

Dannyboy1 (#107)

you raise an extremely interesting point. If what your saying is true, then not only is Kirk still in the Nexus, Picard is as well. And that being said everybody on the Enterprise-D is dead, and the last 13 years have been a figment of the Nexus. The only way to leave the Nexus would be to beamed or tractored out from an outside source.

Not that i’m a fan of using the Nexus in another movie, it is an interesting theory.

116. www - August 1, 2007

Uhuru naked?

117. ohim axphc - July 23, 2008

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