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Quick Note About ‘ Star Trek’ Ranks October 25, 2007

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Star Trek (2009 film) , trackback

captain.jpg[article contains minor spoilers] Some have noticed and inquired why TrekMovie.com does not use character ranks when discussing the Original Series crew in the new Star Trek film. The reason is simple (and has been stated in the FAQ on the Star Trek 2008 cast page for a year). The characters in the film will be seen at various time frames and therefore at various ranks. This is to be expected in a film that is primarily a prequel and an origin story, but a new story at Screenrant expresses surprise that Pike is a ‘captain’ in the film and Kirk is not.

TrekMovie.com first reported that Captain Pike would be in the film last January, and more recently noted that Pike would have a substantial role in the film. Any Trekkie who knows his history (and certainly loyal readers of TrekMovie.com) know that when we see Spock in his time before TOS he is serving under Captain Pike. And of course during that period of time Kirk has not yet been promoted. So the Pike v Kirk as captains issue should not be surprising, however a trusted source tells TrekMovie.com that Kirk does end the film as a Captain. The Screenrant article also discussed the ‘Spock-centric’ nature of the film and states that Kirk does not show up until later in the film. J.J. Abrams himself stated that the film is ‘Spock-centric,’ and TrekMovie.com sources have stated that Spock does have a bigger role in the film. However, co-writer Roberto Orci also recently noted that both Kirk and McCoy are central to the film.

It has been stated by the makers of the film and the stars that Star Trek is about how the Original Series crew came together. Although “Where No Man Has Gone Before” was technically the TOS pilot, it really just thrust viewers into some point of the ’5 year mission’ (and it wasn’t even aired first). TOS never had a pilot in the same way that Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, Voyager and Enterprise had ‘origin story’ pilots. So in a way, this film is like that pilot the show never had. And therefore the various characters will not all spend the whole film sitting in their usual spots with their ultimate TOS ranks.

Comments

1. Sean4000 - October 25, 2007

Interesting……

2. Toonloon - October 25, 2007

I can’t wait.

3. South African Dude - October 25, 2007

I believe I’m addicted.

I don’t want to read every article published about the new movie, because I desperately want to be in the Cinema December 25th and be blown away, even cry when the opening credits come on.

But I can’t help myself.

Do any of you realize just how amazing this all is? Star Trek has been dying for years now and suddenly is to be revived by some of the biggest names in Hollywood. There was no way the idea would die.

I have always felt that my friends missed out on the quality and dept of story telling and entertainment that only Star Trek offered; because they have these preconceived ideas that Star Trek is a science fiction show for a niche group of people with no dates on Friday nights. I hope this film really spreads the word.

4. kevin - October 25, 2007

which cheif medical officer will be used? philip boyce, mark piper, or leonard mccoy

5. Charles Trotter - October 25, 2007

What about the part that says “none of the film takes place at all at Starfleet Academy?” I thought we were going to see Kirk beat the Kobayashi Maru?

6. The Dark Knight - October 26, 2007

These tidbits are confusing…

7. The Dark Knight - October 26, 2007

…but interesting! This movie will rock!

8. Anthony Pascale - October 26, 2007

Charles…I still believe we will see Kobyashi Maru, but as you know we debunked the ‘it is an academy movie’ rumor. I haven’t read the script and so I am just putting together various leaks from various sources. It is quite possible that screenrants source is right that there is no scene at the academy and my source is right that there is a sequence with the kobyashi….I am certain sometime in the next 14 months it will all be sorted out.

dark kniight….yes I hope it rocks too…what confused you?

9. Jan - October 26, 2007

If Pike actually has a VERY major role in the movie, I wonder that he wasn’t cast yet.
I thought, the rehearsals have already begun?!

10. trektacular - October 26, 2007

This is great to read, it seems canon won’t be messed up after all.

11. George Armstrong Custer - October 26, 2007

I alway knew this is how it would be. It was always logical the Christopher Pike would be Captain of the ship since we had a young Kirk and Spock. As I stated earlier on another thread that when we saw WNMHGB, Sulu was a astrophyisists and Checkov was probably in training somewhere on the ship, I cant wait to see Pike and the Enerprise battle the Romulans. We will also probably see a hard transition for Spock when his Captain departs the ship and has to adjust to a young Captain Kirk because didn’t we see a episode where Spock said he should have been given a Captaincy for himself but was passed over time and time again. Remember to Lobby for Jim Fitzpatrick for Captain Pike.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Williams_%28Commander%29

12. Dr. Image - October 26, 2007

I’m a Dr. Boyce fan. Hope they can stick him in somewhere.
(Who wants a warm martini?)

13. CanuckLou - October 26, 2007

Very intriguing and if true then the casting of Captain Pike is probably the most crucial one to the success of this film. Which may explain why the casting of the character is taking so long, or is being kept under wraps.

Really looking forward to exploring the Spock/Pike relationship further!

14. The Master - October 26, 2007

Interesting and cool, makes me wonder if they are going to splice in some of the Cage footage as well???

15. Adam Cohen - October 26, 2007

So, if this movie is truly a “pilot” to TOS, then are we to take this as it being a true-to-continuity story? Does Moriarty’s rumor-laden article from a couple of months ago no longer apply (regarding alternate timelines, etc.)? Is this more of a reboot or a prequel?

I, like The Dark Knight, am a wee bit confused.

16. Tobias - October 26, 2007

I have to say, I’m very excited about this film. I do admit at first I was a little worried (i really was a big fan of combining the best characters from TNG, DS9 and VOY for Star Trek XI) but I have complete trust in JJ Abrams and co. I’m a massive fan of Lost and Mission Impossible 3.

I think most of the casting is spot on – though Pegg as Scotty is still a bit of a concern – and I’m confident whoever they cast as Pike will be fantastic.

If Pike is the lead in this movie (or at very least a principal character) I think it will make a pefect transition into the ‘new era’ of Trek. Part of me wishes they’d actually decided to make this a full-on ‘Cage crew’…

And surely if Pike is the Captain – then ‘Number One’ will be in it? (Jennifer Garner anyone?)

I’m guessing Kirk will be a Commander, Spock a Lt. Commander…

Did I mention I was very excited about this film?????! :-)

17. Jeffery Wright - October 26, 2007

sweet, i’m suckered in, the cage was my fav ep, which occured 13 years before “where no man has gone…) i wonder who’s going to play the mysterious number one? it would have to be doc boyce or piper as the cmo, depending on when this takes place, in the interim 13 years between cap’s. did kirk get command after he served on the farragut? or did he serve on the enterprise under pike? i hope this movie kicks off a new series.

18. Ralph - October 26, 2007

Yes, didn’t I say earlier this was about Spock? Kirk will be brought in later probably to “save the day or mankind”. Will we see Kirk’s first heroic action in this film?
Too much information. LA! LA !LA! :::covering ears:::

19. KevinA Melbourne Australia - October 26, 2007

It’s all starting to come together. I always thought there was a huge story to be told BEFORE Kirk ever got involved.

I really hope Pike is “the” Captain of the Movie. What a fitting homage to Roddenberry’s absolute original idea! And sometime toward the end of the movie, or in a sub-plot line through out movie, we see the rise of James T. Kirk who ultimately takes command of the Enterprise toward the end of the movie…..instant sequel…just add screaming fans and one old but still preserved William Shatner!!!!

Is this why we have MENAGARIE on the big screen? Telling the story of Pike that we know but don’t really know. Abrams has certainly woven an intricate thread…he has us exactly were he wants’ us…I’m sure he will not let us down. God I wish it were October 2008 right now!!

20. Cervantes - October 26, 2007

If this is accurate, and ‘Pike’ does indeed get more screentime than was originally anticipated, then this particular casting is even more relevant to this Movie now.

Please don’t let it be the Tom Hanks show…

21. Cervantes - October 26, 2007

#11 George Armstrong Custer

Lobbying won’t do any good I’m afraid.

Look at the ‘Scotty’ we got after the very strong support for Paul out of ‘Stargate’ for instance…

22. David Sturm - October 26, 2007

Isn’t Kobayashi Maru a test taken by an officer attempting to reach Command level…. an academy graduate rather than a cadet? My impression was that Lt Saavik would be sitting for it to reach Cmdr level…. similar to Deanna Troi’s process in TNG?

Wouldn’t it make sense that Jim Kirk is attempting the KM test one last time? Perhaps Janice Lester is doing it at the same time and fails her last try…. would explain a lot about the last TOS episode…

23. Trek Nerd Central - October 26, 2007

This is all good news. Yes, #16 — Jennifer Garner would fit perfectly. And you know what just occurred to me? Ben Affleck as Pike.

Don’t gag on your tranya — it could work. He’s a tall, squarely handsome guy, and when I saw him in Hollywoodland I realized he had a vein of sadness to him that I’d never noticed before.

Then again, Matt Damon would be pretty good as Pike, too. . . .

Stop me before I lose my mind. I’m caring too much about every detail, but I’m too excited not to. (And I HAVE A LIFE. I HAVE A LIFE. I REALLY HAVE A LIFE.)

24. tiberiusmudd - October 26, 2007

‘Origin story’ pilots are known in the biz as ‘premise pilots.’

25. Chris Roberts - October 26, 2007

The Idea of basiclly doing the pilot of TOS but with the Older Spock and time Traveling Romulans to also add a bit of a Sequel element Is brillent.We will get to see how Kirk earned the Promation to Captain.If Kirk Is serving on another ship that comes to the Enteprise you can have Mccoy,and Uhura serving In postion with him that gives them roles without having to contedict WNMHGB.APart from the first meeting with Kirk,and Spock I am intrigued to learn when the friendship between Kirk and Mccoy begain.You have to admit you can’t say J.J. Abrams and his team don’t know Star Trek and are pissing on It like those who did the reimaging of Galactica.

26. T Negative - October 26, 2007

Someone pointed out earlier that Pike needs to be an Obi-Wan Kenobi like character. In Star Wars there were no stars in the movie except Alec Guiness. The Pike role is taking so long because they are looking for a BIG actor for that role to carry the film.

That’s what Abrams was talking to Lucas about ;-)

27. Jim Smith - October 26, 2007

Mad thought: If the Older Spock goes back in time to work with the younger Spock, as rumoured, do you think he’ll pretend to be his cousin Selek?

That would be a ming bogglingly awesome bit of continuity gubbins to play with.

28. T Negative - October 26, 2007

Further, I believe when the Pike character is announced it will be the biggest casting news for the movie to date.

29. Driver - October 26, 2007

So Pike, Spock and the Enterprise battles Romulans headed by Nero? And we see how Pike became disfigured from radiation?

30. Captain Hackett - October 26, 2007

If it is true that Captain Pike has a major role in the film, then it has to be played by a ‘A-list’ actor.

31. Gary Lee - October 26, 2007

Maybe McCoy is Chief Medical Officer on the Enterprise just before Kirk is captain or JJ doesn’t do it by the book and changes a few things to make the movie flow better. Like some of Kirk’s future crew might be on the Enterprise with Captain Pike even Kirk could be part of Pike’s crew.
We really don’t know how Kirk got the captain seat or how JJ wants Kirk to become Captain Kirk.

32. Cervantes - October 26, 2007

#30 Captain Hackett

I just hope it isn’t a strangely distracting and out-of-place one…

33. StillKirok - October 26, 2007

Couldn’t care less about Pike. A cameo is fine, but a significant role? Not even cast yet?

34. lwr - October 26, 2007

my comments are this:

I like the idea of the time travel scenario and the alternate timeline.
it’s an age old comic stunt that has worked so well for so many characters. you get to keep the old while you embrace the new. that being said, it must be done right, without some silly made up devise ( this temporal transporter thing??).

my suggestion is this – the guardian of forever (could explain Iceland, eh?!). l

let’s say the events after NEMESIS have Romulus thinking. what if? let’s say they some how stumble on the city on the edge of forever( and let’s assume it is a research facility like in TAS),disguised with a Vulcan research team, this Nero goes back in time and somehow prevents Kirk from passing the leadership in the academy and his life takes a more mollified turn (like Picard in that one Q episode).
let’s say Spock is also part of that team, and when they return, he notices something is wrong. very wrong. once he figures it out, it is now up to him and his past self to make sure Kirk achieves his place in history (kobiashi maru scenario with the help of a bright eyed junior cadet named Chekov, anybody??) is stationed on the Farragut.

Let’s say with Nero’s plan now crushed, he sets out to Kill Kirk by commandeering the ENTERPRISE under the command of Christopher pike. he then takes on the Farragut in combat in a hopes of destroying the ship along with Kirk onboard.
Let’s say that Kirk, the Spocks and a few junior officers (Sulu,Uhura) somehow board the Enterprise, team with Scotty to help Pike retrieve command and somehow stop Nero .

Let’s say kirk is injured and back at Starfleet meets up with a feisty country doctor who gives him a tongue lashing or two, but Kirk takes a liking to him.

let’s say Chris pike stops by and has a few kind words to say to the young Kirk

…. movie ends with spock stepping back thru the guardian, only to be met be a very old Jim Kirk…still alive in the 24th century because everything was put back correctly…almost.

movie slides back to a shot of a little older, a little wiser James T Kirk , (flanked by Spock,Mccoy, Sulu,Uhura,Scotty, and a young Ensign Chekov) shaking the hand of pike as the torch of command is passed.

we here in the words of William shatner….SPACE, the final frontier…

35. Gary Lee - October 26, 2007

If Older Spock is time traveling I wonder how much time traveling Spock is traveling? If he is time traveling to stop something from happening he could be jumping from time to time trying to stop the Romulans who are time traveling to different times to kill maybe Kirk or Pike or to change different events from happening in time?

36. Lou - October 26, 2007

Orci and Kurtzman better have a better script than Transformers. that was awful and they should feel at least somewhat embarrassed.

they found transfans annoying… if they blow this movie, that’ll be NOTHING. so for their own sakes, I hope they did this right.

37. Edward O'Connor - October 26, 2007

Re: #27 — that’s a great idea.

38. Ripped shirt Kirk - October 26, 2007

Is it certain that Nero is a Romulan and that they are involved in ST XI? Because if so that botthers me as is in the Balance of Terror was stated that the Romulans had never been seen before. So how can the Romulans and Nero have a big part in the movie without screwing canon?

39. ZoomZoom - October 26, 2007

#34 Don’t do it- let Orci earn his money! ;)

40. RaveOnEd - October 26, 2007

“Ben Affleck as Pike.

Don’t gag on your tranya — it could work. He’s a tall, squarely handsome guy, and when I saw him in Hollywoodland I realized he had a vein of sadness to him that I’d never noticed before. ”

Excellent point! In fact, since you mentioned Hollywoodland, if you get the DVD and watch the extras, it mentions that Ben Affleck had an ipod with him, and between takes or on breaks, he would play it, having sound clips of George Reeves to learn from, as far as cadence and tonality.

He certainly would do his homework on the presence of Jeffrey Hunter.

41. Taskmaster09 - October 26, 2007

What about Gary Mitchell? He was a major part of Kirk’s original Enterprise crew. Are we going to see him in the movie?

42. Dennis Bailey - October 26, 2007

Affleck would make an excellent Pike.

43. Thomas Jensen - October 26, 2007

That time travel Nero stuff may be disinformation as well. It would be simpler if they adhered to what’s been established and do the story before the events of the series.

44. OneBuckFilms - October 26, 2007

38 – Simple, nobody will find out he’s Romulan.

Instead, they take him to be Vulcan, and he gets it in the end in a way that doesn’t leave a biological trace.

The Future spock might know, but would have to keep the past Spock, Kirk etc. in the dark so as to minimize timeline damage.

45. StillKirok - October 26, 2007

Affleck alone would be a reason to not see this movie.

46. StillKirok - October 26, 2007

And #34–that sounds like a very nice outline for a Trek film.

47. Pragmaticus - October 26, 2007

36 – The Transformers script was fantastic. I don’t know where you’re coming from.

And by the way, Roberto, who wrote Optimus Prime’s opening monologue, you or Kurtzman? Because the whole thing was really well written.

48. Dennis Bailey - October 26, 2007

#45: “Affleck alone would be a reason to not see this movie.”

You already seem to have found more than enough. Maybe it’s time to stop collecting.

49. Jon (30) - October 26, 2007

How about Pierce Bronson for Pike? (Older than the rest of the cast maybe,but it would show that some people in the 24th century are older than 29-sometimes it seems they’re casting for “Logan’s Run”ha ha)

50. Randall - October 26, 2007

Ben Affleck is one of the worst actors in Hollywood. Please, no Affleck. Same goes for Tom Cruise.

In the Menagerie, Kirk states that he met Pike “when he was promoted to Fleet Captain.” Continuity, then, would be damaged if the two meet in this movie. Though of course, with a time travel angle, all goes to pot anyway.

I don’t go in for all these fantasies about what would be cool to see in the upcoming film—but one thing that would be nice would be if, somehow, this time traveling thing caused a reversal of Kirk’s death as seen in “Generations.” That was, frankly, the worst “major heroic character death scene” I’ve ever had the displeasure of being subjected to.

If you’re going to kill off a character like Kirk—I mean, it’s literally the same as killing James Bond, or Batman, or Sherlock Holmes, or some character like that—so if you’re going to do it, then it should be astoundingly epic. He shouldn’t simply fall off a cliff. Though frankly, I think characters like this should just be allowed to live forever. They’re too iconic to mess with.

51. Kev-1 - October 26, 2007

What’s that picture from? Looks like a real costume.

52. Ripped shirt Kirk - October 26, 2007

I really do hope that the Nero and Romulans stuff is just disinformation, otherwise I fear the worse regarding this movie.

TWoK was by far the best ST movie, then they tried to copy it and ended with the crapy Nemesis.

So doing it again but this time with FC (another good movie) and having another movie (ST XI) with: let’s go to the past and avoid that an enemy alters the future, really is asking for trouble and doesn’t bode well for the future of Star Trek.

53. I AM THX-1138 - October 26, 2007

#49
Holy cripes man, you got me thinking! Maybe instead of Pike, Brosnan could play Captain April? I mean, if there is still a place for him. Any way, just a thought.

I am trying to stay away from any of the threads that might give away plot points, but I had to ask Anthony where the pic of the Captain rank insignia came from. I was just at the Science Fiction Museum this past weekend where they had both Spock and Kirk’s tunics from the TOS along with a portion of the original bridge and THE center seat from the Enterprise. Hanging right above them was the filming model of the Enterprise from “Trials and Tribble-ations” which, while not the original in the Smithsonian, is still quite dandy. If you are in Seattle, this is a MUST SEE for any Trek fan. Paul Allen has put togethr a very nice collection and for the same price, you get the EMP as well.

Thread derail complete. Mr. Allen, I will be expecting a check any time now.

54. Trek Nerd Central - October 26, 2007

#50. Oh, c’mon, he is not. He just made some stinkers. I’ve decided, after Hollywoodland and Gone Baby Gone (which he directed – quite good), that Affleck has a sizeable brain.

It’s been four years since Gigli. We must forgive him the error of his ways.

55. USS SANTA - October 26, 2007

Anthony, promise me you wont post the script when you get it. Little spoilers here, and there are awesome, but I don’t want it ruined for me. I love this site for its accuracy, and I want to come to it knowing that the films secrets are still “secrets”.
…And thank you for being there for us “fanatics”

Maybe we should start weekly meetings… like with a twelve step program or something…

one day at a time

56. fellow_canuck - October 26, 2007

I would like to take this opportunity to say that trekmovie.com rocks!

Great news, objective, honest. Keep up the good work.

oh yeah…Bring Back Kirk!

57. Randall - October 26, 2007

#54… come come, now… Affleck is almost roundly despised in the circles I move in and know. And that represents a LOT of people, and pundits. It isn’t only on account of “Gigli” that he’s held up for ridicule. The godawful and offensive “Pearl Harbor” is only one of many other examples that show him up for what he is.

There are enough pretty and handsome faces in Hollywood—an overabundance of them, in fact—we don’t need to go grabbing at straws like Affleck just to push one into a Star Trek movie.

I’d even argue that he’s not “A-list” anymore, after all the debacles he’s been associated with.

58. girl6 - October 26, 2007

# 41– It would be so cool to have Gary Mitchell in the movie. He’s such a douchebag–even before he turned into a god. Schmoozin’ all on the crew chicks an’ sh*t. You can imagine what a choad he was at the Academy if he acts that way on the ship. When he told Kirk that he threw that blonde at him, you can see Kirk realizing that his best friend is a jerk. That realization probably went a long way toward solidifying his friendship with Spock. Spcok’s loyalty and honesty were without question.

Hmmm… I think I just wrote my next fan fiction story…

#43– Yep. Nero’s prolly not even his name.

Hey, if they go back far enough, maybe we’ll see Finnegan. That would rock.

59. girl6 - October 26, 2007

p.s. I like Finnegan. He taught Kirk some valuable lessons…

60. Rhett Coates - October 26, 2007

RE: #9, above:
“If Pike actually has a VERY major role in the movie, I wonder that he wasn’t cast yet. I thought, the rehearsals have already begun?! ”

Actually, when a feature production shoots, not all scenes are shot in sequence—and sometimes, even a major character (such as Pike would likely be here) may not be needed for shoot-days until later on in the process, maybe not even until after the new year has started! It’s all part of the process of the Production Department, and who is to shoot their scenes on which days. And remember, this is a multiple-month shoot.

61. Pragmaticus - October 26, 2007

50 – Continuity might not be damaged. What’s to say that Pike wasn’t promoted to Fleet Captain when Kirk was promoted to Captain, which will happen in this film?

62. shatner or bust (aka Snake) - October 26, 2007

Pamela Anderson for Captain Christine Pike.

63. Dennis Bailey - October 26, 2007

#54: We certainly should “forgive” Affleck “the error of his ways,” considering the forgiveness we extend to TOS actors – most of whom have, over the decades, appeared in and walked through some truly godawful crap.

Affleck is a good actor and a good director. It’s true that he’s not an A-lister, which suggests that Trek might be able to land him – considering all of the high-profile actors who’ve been incorrectly rumored to be associated with this film, after all, it’s possible that the producers have been finding it more difficult to interest established film actors in Trek than they had expected.

64. RaveOnEd - October 26, 2007

63 – I agree. I think Affleck also possesses that 50′s – 60′s leading man look that Jeffrey Hunter had. Just a vibe that could carry the part and add depth to it that we sadly weren’t treated to from Jeffrey Hunter only appearing once.

65. Greg2600 - October 26, 2007

Well, I’m still not going to be that interested until they get Shatner, but I’m quite interested primarily to see how they pull this “multiple time frame” deal off. Very perplexing, although you’re talking about the guy behind Lost, and perplexing is why I love that show so much.

66. Randall - October 26, 2007

#61: eh, a good point, but not when you think harder about it. After Mendez (in the Menagerie) asks Kirk if he knew Pike, Kirk’s answer is (I beileve I’m quoting verbatim here) “I met him once, when he was promoted to Fleet Captain.” Not “when I took over the Enterprise from him, and he was promoted,” or “when I was promoted to captain and he to Fleet Captain.” One would think that, had the two events occurred simultaneously, that Kirk would have remarked on it in some way. But all he mentions is Pike’s promotion. On the other hand this is nitpicky of me, I admit, so it hardly matters. Maybe Kirk was just being modest.

As for Affleck, if I hear his name associated with Star Trek again (or if I hear Tom Cruise’s name) I’ll puke. Please, people—pretty boy actors are a dime a dozen in Hollywood, and Affleck doesn’t even look like Jeffrey Hunter. And I repeat—-no, Affleck is NOT a good actor. He’s wooden at worst and at best all he can manage is a smug, smarmy sort of frat boy persona onscreen. Not as bad as ULTRA-wooden Keanu Reeves or ULTRA-smug Tom Cruise… but nearly so.

67. girl6 - October 26, 2007

Ben Affleck is so bland. And by bland I mean Tom Cruise. And by Tom Cruise I mean processed cheese food.

68. Anthony Pascale - October 26, 2007

I like Affleck. He was quite good in Hollywoodland and his directorial debut now in theaters is getting good buzz too. Back when the rumor of the day was Matt Damon I always thought he would be a perfect Gary Mitchell.

RE: Farragut
If you folks missed it, a few weeks ago I reported that the Farragut is not in the film. In the January report mentioning Pike it also mentioned Captain Garrovick, but a few weeks back I reported that Garrovick and the Farragut didn’t survive past the first draft. Garrovick was also removed from the cast page…although there is still an open spot for a ‘federation captain’…that may be kirk’s captain (just guessing here). Orci did say they wanted to show other ‘cool mofo’ captains in Starfleet

69. T Negative - October 26, 2007

#66

Agree.

Ben Affleck???? I would rather have Charles Manson play Pike. What a joke!! LOL!!!!

Ben Afflack is not going to be in this movie people. If he is, my Trek fandom will be shaken to the core.

70. Shatner_Fan_2000 - October 26, 2007

Afleck bores me too. If no super duper A-lister is available, Joaquin Phoenix would do nicely indeed as Pike.

The Transformers script was ok for what it was – a kids/teens movie. Orci has promised us a more adult script this time.

And Mr. Orci, please don’t blow up Nero at the end! Find some more creative way to off him. The bad guys already got “blowed up real good” in Trek II, III, VI, VII, IX and X.

71. T Negative - October 26, 2007

I like the idea of other cool “mofo” Starfleet captains. Lets just hope they don’t upstage our buddy James Kirk!! ;-)

72. Dennis Bailey - October 26, 2007

#66: ” Please, people—pretty boy actors are a dime a dozen in Hollywood”

That’s not new – they were in the ’50s and ’60s as well. That’s how we got Hunter and then Shatner commanding the Enterprise.

73. The Vulcanista - October 26, 2007

#33
Casting major roles after rehearsals/shooting begins isn’t that uncommon. LOTR’s Viggo Mortensen wasn’t cast as Aragorn until after filming had started. In fact, Jackson had already started filming the Weathertop scenes before Mortensen was cast. He had about a week to get up to speed with his swordfighting skills and did a pretty damn good job with it, IMHO.

Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|

74. Chain of Command - October 26, 2007

As far as the Pike debate on who is going to be cast I haven’t really thought much about it. They do need to get someone who likes him, but if they get an actor who is too well known surely for, “Hey, Look who we got to do Star Trek!” it will overshadow the whole thing.

I don’t want this movie to have any “gimmicks”. Any of those, “Look what we can do” moments. I just want it to be a good story. I always annoyed at the pilots of the later series because they were always like, “Look what we can do now” or “look at our cool new alien, warp drive, saucer separation, wormhole blah blah blah.” Just tell a good story that deals with the characters overcoming something big or going somewhere “They’ve never been before”. And don’t have a bunch of forced conflict either between the characters either. That just leads to bad acting and an annoyed audience. LOL

75. StillKirok - October 26, 2007

#48–you have a point. But Affleck is still a horrible actor and way to whiny to be Pike. Besides, you bring a guy like that in, and suddenly the movie becomes too much about Pike, who is simply not that important of a TOS character. He’s maybe one notch about Captain Jellico in TNG.

Too much baggage.

76. George Armstrong Custer - October 26, 2007

#68. The other Captain may be Ron Tracy from the Omega Glory Or Captain Merrick. Getting back to Pike ,we have to have a actor who is the age of around late 48ish or 50. Affleck is not that. Ben Browder is not that. Ther could be if Jim Fitzpatrick is overlooked which probably is, is the Actor Sam Jones who starred as Flash Gordon in 1980. Also Rob Estes. They are a good age.

77. Gary Lee - October 26, 2007

If Spock has been Romulus since Unification he would think Kirk has been dead for about 80 years ago at the begin of Generations on the Enterprise C. The Next Generation part of Generations happens just afew years after Unification so Spock might not know Kirk was in this time period helping Picard and died falling off a cliff, there might not be any news about Kirk getting to Spock at Romulus. So I wonder how this will play in the movie for Spock? Maybe Generations will not even be brought up. The movie is more about the younger Kirk not the older Kirk.

78. Randall - October 26, 2007

#72:

The point is invalid. Jeffrey Hunter died very young, with no time to extend himself as an actor or prove what he had. Moreover, at the time he died he had played no LEADING roles in any major films, except for “King of Kings.” (roundly panned). AFFLECK has been in MANY major films AS the lead and has sucked consistently in each role, and is, already at a relatively young age, a joke. Big difference.

Shatner is even further from this. Sure, yes, he may have been the butt of jokes about his acting over the years, but he’s built a long and major career on television, where the guy is still acting today, in his early 70s, and he’s a pop culture icon. The same will NEVER be said of Ben Affleck, I guarantee you. Moreover, the same cannot be said of Tab Hunter or any of that ilk, from the 50s.

Finally, I think the day has already come when people are re-evaluating Shatner’s acting. He’s no “great” actor, but he’s got something going on, he’s able to project a persona. Affleck projects only widening and deepening suckage. And always will.

79. Dennis Bailey - October 26, 2007

#79: “The point is invalid.”

No, it’s not. I like Affleck. You don’t. There’s not anything more to it than that.

#77:”Getting back to Pike ,we have to have a actor who is the age of around late 48ish or 50. Affleck is not that. Ben Browder is not that. ”

Given the ages at which the regulars like Spock appear in the movie, Pike might reasonably be seen at about the same age as in “The Cage,” as well as possibly at an older point.

80. TB - October 26, 2007

36. & 54. ….I’d love to hear which movies & actors you do like. “Pearl” was inaccurate as hell, but it was a fun ride. Transformers was great and Affleck did a good job in Hollywoodland. I’m by no means a fan, but the guy is a servicable actor. Maybe some of the former cast of Alias & JJ’s buddies could play Pike’s crew.

81. Randall - October 26, 2007

#79:

That wasn’t the point you were making though. You were comparing Affleck to Shatner, Hunter, and other 50s/60s “pretty boys.” I responded that your point was invalid, and laid out why. Get it?

82. Trek Nerd Central - October 26, 2007

Gee, I’m glad I threw Affleck’s name out there. What an entertaining viper pit.

Now. . . how about Orlando Bloom as Riley? ONLY KIDDING, PEOPLE.

83. Charles Trotter - October 26, 2007

#8, Anthony Pascale: I see. I was just wondering if the Kobayashi Maru sequence was ousted along with Garrovick & the Farragut. I hope that’s not the case, because I really wanna see how Kirk “cheated” on the KM scenario.

#68, Anthony Pascale: I can’t say I “like” Affleck, but he has been getting better. I agree, he gave a good performance as George Reeves for Hollywoodland. He is also good in the Kevin Smith movies and I thought he did a good job for the five minutes he had in Smokin’ Aces. But he sucked in pretty much everything else (though I didn’t have a problem with him as Daredevil like many others did — the movie was worse than he was). Can’t say whether or not he’d make a good Mitchell, though.

84. Tim - October 26, 2007

I Still think even a bit part for Shatner as Kirk.

85. Michael - October 26, 2007

Haven’t you guys heard???

Greg Grunberg is going to be Capt. Pike!

LOL

Seriously, I like Tom Hanks as Pike. He is a huge TOS fan, and has respect for the characters.
Plus…He’s A list, and a great actor. I think that he is enough of a fanboy, (and actor), to “underplay” the role so that it’s not the Tom Hanks Show.

86. Anthony Pascale - October 26, 2007

Charles it is possible the KM sequence is out, but that is info I got within the last month as opposed to the Farragut stuff which I got last December.

87. JPH - October 26, 2007

The more I think about it, the more I’m convinced that the perfect Captain Pike would be George Clooney. He looks like a Captain. He acts like a leader. He’s an excellent actor. He’s the right age. And his career really needs a good commercial shot in the arm.

If they can get him, he’s the one.

88. Lord Garth Formerly of Izar - October 26, 2007

Beep Beep

89. girl6 - October 26, 2007

#87 Mmmmm…. Geoooorge Clooooney….gargleghlglghglgl…

90. AJ - October 26, 2007

In Mirror, Mirror, the computer indicated that Kirk reached the captaincy through the assassination of Pike…”So you die, Keptin..And we all move up in rank!” If this is a parallel, it would assume JTK was on the ship under Pike in our universe as well, hmmm? And it would assume in that universe, that he was the 1st Officer under Pike.

91. Johnnie F - October 26, 2007

Everyone talks like having a Romulan in the story line messes with cannon, but that is if Nero is in Early Trek. Don’t forget that older Spock is central to the movie and last anyone knew, he was still on Romulus. It could be that a Romulan bad guy goes back into the past to try and alter the future to his advantage. It would certainly fit with cannon and with the current movie line.

92. George Armstrong Custer - October 27, 2007

Pike. Such a sad strory.

http://youtube.com//watch?v=COjFzYqm5-Y&NR=1

93. Old Trekker - October 27, 2007

How can they cast Nimoy as Spock & omit Shatner as Kirk? This is unacceptable & we should not take it lying down. Seems like someone in casting has been drinking too much Romulan Ale….

94. EdDR - October 27, 2007

to#29 Driver:
Pike becomes disfigured during a training mission while instructing at the Academy after he was Captain of the Enterprise. Of course if this Trek becomes “re-invented” under Abrams, this little tidbit of “known” Trek information could just go by the wayside.

95. Kirk: The Jack Bauer Of Space - October 27, 2007

Logical. Flawlessly Logical.

:D

96. The Vulcanista - October 27, 2007

#87

Agreed, Clooney would make an excellent Pike.

However, as much as I love Clooney, his career needs Trek like Trek needs another dose of Berman and Braga. ;-)

Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|

97. Mark - October 27, 2007

Affleck is a horrible actor, imo, but was surprisingly decent in Hollywoodland. I will go to this movie no matter what, but as someone said, it would almost be a reason not to go. They can do better than Affleck. Frankly, I believe that having Affleck in this movie will do to it what Robin Curtis did to ST:III

98. The Vulcanista - October 27, 2007

Okay, every time I see this particular article title in the Latest Articles list, I keep thinking it says “Quick Note About ‘Star Trek’ *Rants*.”

Not entirely inaccurate, but I think it’s time for some new reading glasses!

Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }8-| (see the new glasses?)

99. neal - October 29, 2007

Someone keeps the “A list” up to date:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-list

Any of those A-listers could be Pike. Wouldn’t it be better to have someone who projects personality, charm, and vigor, than someone who merely bears a resemblance to Jeff Hunter?

(Yes, I vote for Nicole Kidman as Pike!)

hee hee

100. tiberius - October 30, 2007

What purpose would the Kobiyashi Maru test serve? We know it happened (a neat tidbit in TWOK) – would there be any sense to showing the details. You could have just as much richness by mentioning it again – as Kirk is being considered, one of the Admirals asks, “Kirk…..wasn’t he the cadet that cheated on the KB test?”.

Little continuity nuggets are neat. Let’s not hammer them to death, when I am sure it is not in service of the story.

101. LordEdzo - November 6, 2007

I’m hoping Abrams will decide to use the ENT/TNG/DS9/VGR rank system in “Star Trek.” Thus, Capt. Pike would have four stripes on his sleeve instead of the strange “one stripe for all officers” system that was used in “The Cage.”

At this point in the franchise, it would be stupid to return to the “watered down” rank system used in TOS. If Paramount is trying to jump-start a series of TOS movies, then it should use the same rank system it’s been using since TNG in 1987 (to which the prequel ENT also adhered).

Someone at Paramount should go whisper this in Abrams’ (and the costume designer’s) ear.

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