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TOS-R Producers Talk “Ultimate Computer” and Share New Images February 7, 2008

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Interview,TOS-R Preview , trackback

EXCLUSIVE: This weekend on the digitally remastered Star Trek airing in syndication we will be treated to a brand new version of "The Ultimate Computer." This effects-heavy episode features the USS Enterprise facing off against four Federation Starships in a wargame that turns deadly. The TOS-R producers talked exclusively with TrekMovie.com about the episode and also shared some new preview images. 

The TOS-R team chose this episode to be their ‘big event’ sweeps episode for the 2nd year of the show (last year it was "The Doomsday Machine"). TrekMovie.com talked with Star Trek Remastered producers Mike Okuda, Denise Okuda, and Dave Rossi about what we can expect.

TREKMOVIE.COM: Do you consider "The Ultimate Computer," the most challenging episode for the ‘second season’ of Trek Remastered?
DENISE: I think our friends at CBS Digital will agree with that, although sometimes an episode that you think will be relatively easy will surprise us.


Four Federation starships join the Enterprise in war game exercises
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TREKMOVIE.COM: In the scenes showing the four ships, did you consider using different ship types instead of just using Constitution-class ships?
DAVE: We sure did. This was the only time in the entire series that we saw anything like fleet maneuvers, and our first thought was to use this episode to show that there’s more to Starfleet than just the Enterprise.
DENISE: We talked about this at length. Mike and Dave were excited about coming up with new ships, but eventually we all decided that it was best to honor the expectations of fans who had grown up seeing four Constitution-class ships.
MIKE: One of the ideas we considered was to have a Reliant-type configuration for a couple of the guest ships. The problem with a smaller ship is that you don’t want the sense that the Enterprise is more powerful, because that would hurt the drama of the story. Ultimately, keeping all four ships the same emphasizes that the only variable is that the Enterprise is piloted by the M5 computer.
DENISE: We did make some really, really subtle changes in the other ships. At least, they were really subtle to me. I’m sure some fans will pick up on them.

TREKMOVIE.COM: Like what?
DAVE: You’ll have to watch and see!


Under the control of a malfunctioning computer, the Enterprise fires a deadly phaser blast at another starship (click to enlarge)

TREKMOVIE.COM: The original show had a rather cheap ‘copy and paste’ shot  with the 4 ships on screen….how did you guys decide to mix it up?
MIKE: Well, first, I’d disagree with the suggestion that the original series effects were in any way substandard. Certainly, they were on an extremely tight budget with distinct limits, but those optical printer effects were cutting edge technology for the time.
DAVE: That said, we really wanted to help tell D.C. Fontana’s story of how the Enterprise, under the uncanny control of this superhuman computer, was able to outmaneuver four Federation starships. One of the things that always bugged me as a kid was that the maneuvers they talked about were often shown visually with stock shots that had nothing to do with what was just discussed in dialogue. One of our missions with this project was to rectify that whenever possible. In the case of this episode, we can SEE the Enterprise bearing down on the hapless Excalibur and then peeling off for its next victim. The Enterprise becomes this methodical killing machine. Oh yeah, that was fun!
DENISE: Which means they were two kids playing with starships! We have a couple of little Enterprise toys that we used for planning shots during meetings. Dave and Mike would take turns flying the ships around the room, showing each other how they thought they should maneuver. Sometimes Niel [Wray] and Wendy [Ruiz, visual effects coordinator] would join us, and they’d take their turns, too!


The Starship Lexington leads an armada whose mission is to stop the Starship Enterprise
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TREKMOVIE.COM: I understand you have changed out the automated freighter that was a reuse for the Botany Bay from “Space Seed”…is this a new ship and if so where did the inspiration come from?
DAVE: The cargo ship Woden is now based on the automated grain ships in the animated episode, “More Tribbles, More Troubles.” You may recall that we saw the Antares in the first shot of “Charlie X,” which was based on the same design, although we added a crew module for that one.
MIKE: I’ve always liked that ship design. It’s not just a kitbash of Enterprise components. It’s very different from the Enterprise, nowhere near as sleek and powerful, but it really looks like something that might have come from Matt Jefferies’ drawing board.


Antares alongside USS Enterprise — from "Charlie X"
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TREKMOVIE.COM: Any more surprises for “The Ultimate Computer”?
DAVE: Hmm. Well, the space station is now based on the Vanguard starbase from the Star Trek novels published by Pocket Books. Looks pretty cool.


The Starship Enterprise arrives at a space station to test a new computer system
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The Starship Enterprise dpearts the station
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More this weekendTrekMovie.com will have more “Ultimate Computer” coverage this weekend.

 

Comments

1. The Lensman - February 7, 2008

The shots look pretty cool….but those ships seem a bit too close!

2. chris - February 7, 2008

those images look fantastic. Can’t want to se the episode

3. Skippy 2k - February 7, 2008

Cool pics! Really can’t wait, the Enterprise against the other three! Anyone notice the Lexington is slightly different? Only thing I see is that it has two sets of two circular windows/ports on the front rather than the three center forward.

hmmm….anyway, cool!

4. The Lensman - February 7, 2008

#3
That’s about all I can see at the moment. And while I’m OK with the shots, would’ve been a nice touch to see one or two of the Connies with WNMHGB markings and nacelles.

Good job guys!

Can’t wait to see this one!

5. Skippy 2k - February 7, 2008

^ Guess it actually mentions differences in the article (posted before reading it all). Still from the images the forward ports are the only thing I can make out different, maybe if there are more angles when the episode pics are up.

6. toddk - February 7, 2008

Looks good! so…what will be done with the “romulans using klingon design” problem in the episode: the enterprise incident?…will spock’s dialogue be cut and will we see birds of prey of klingon battle cruisers?

personally I would prefere to see birds of prey and spock’s line cut..but that is just me!

7. Skippy 2k - February 7, 2008

I’m sure they will be the same D-7 type, probably with the bird marking on the bottom. I can see spocks line (maybe) being cut for commercial/broadcast time but it would still be there on the dvd release.

8. Father Rob - February 7, 2008

3 – Yea, I noticed the gap-toothed, er, ported, Lexington myself right off the bat.

Rob+

9. Dafydd1971 - February 7, 2008

I understand the impact on dramatic tension but a TOS-era Reliant style configuration would have been soooo sweet.

10. ety3 - February 7, 2008

Frakkin’ yahtzee on these shots alone.

#6 – They’ll hopefully just paint Romulan “birds” on the underside.

11. Paul - February 7, 2008

#6 – We should see Klingon battle cruisers with Romulan signage, just like in TAS – maybe with some minor Romulan modifications like different nacelle tips, some added superstructures and such.

See the Romulan insignia here: http://tas.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/1×06/thesurvivor_150.JPG

And the custom-painted bridge superstructure here: http://tas.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/2×03/thepracticaljoker_015.JPG

That’s exactly I would expect, and I’m sure Okudas can do it right.

12. Scott Xavier - February 7, 2008

Its starfleet, i want fleet variety…

13. Cervantes - February 7, 2008

#12 Scott Xavier

Totally agree. I would have far rathered a bit of variety in the ‘Starfleet’ style for this sequence, even if just ONE of the ‘opposing’ ships had been different to a ‘Constitution-class’ type design just for some interesting variety. Yet another missed opportunity in my book, although this upgraded sequence is welcome in general.

14. colin - February 7, 2008

Well, there’s no way of getting around it. The chart from “Court Martial” listed only Constitution Class starships. I can recognize in the pictures the U.S.S. Hood (NCC-1703), the U.S.S. Excalibur (NCC-1664), and the U.S.S. Lexington (NCC-1709).

15. Dr. Image - February 7, 2008

Wow. The new station looks great. Note- nacelle balls are lighter, as they usually appeared, They finally got the phaser beams the right color blue!!
I’m having a Constitution-gasam! (And not because of the primaries.)

16. Iowagirl - February 7, 2008

Love the images. They show what beautiful designs have been lying at anchor on low budget’s docks.

That’s true enhancement – to take the original and bring out the best possible quality, but to leave the original imagination unchanged.

17. Scott Xavier - February 7, 2008

im sure budgeting was the reason for the original calamity of consts…

18. MalFormed - February 7, 2008

There are four… windows! Oops, wrong trek.

Anyway, I’ve been living where I don’t see any of the remastered Trek, and I have mixed feelings about the results based on the screencaps and vids I’ve seen here.

Having said that – the shot of the E from “Charlie X” is the best one I’ve seen yet!

Its the first one I’ve seen where I could really feel like it was a real ship and not CGI.

19. "Uncle" Clay Farrow - February 7, 2008

16: Hey, Iowagirl…pretty good nautical references for a landlubber! :^)

20. Tom - February 7, 2008

Given the interview above, I doubt now that we’ll see Romulan Birds of Prey in the “Enterprise Incident, with their reluctance to have anything other than Constitution class starships in “Ultimate Computer”. Cutting two lines of dialogue would really be altering cannon.

Polar Lights released a fairly accurate model of the Klingon Battle Cruiser (as well as the Enterprise) a few years back. They included a nice deal sheet to customize it as a Romulan ship (a la Bird of Prey-type markings). Would be nice to use this as a guide. The Enterprise kit was also customizable as the ISS Enterprise (altering the markings for the pilot version of the Enterprise). Would have been nice to see that version, too, but CBS-D barely altered the Enterprise for “Mirror, Mirror”

21. scifib5st - February 7, 2008

Oh boy, another night of low lights and popcorn! This looks great! Did they use some type of 3-D computer graphics to show the “Fleet” movements during the attacts?

I wish I could see some behind the scean (sp) footage of these people flying Starships around the room laying out and planning shots…. Fanboys and girls in action…. Did anyone climb on a desk – or think “three demitionaly”????

Thanks inadvance is someone answers these questions.

22. doubleofive - February 7, 2008

That shot of the E leaving the station is great. The colors and shading are exactly what I expect.

And again, these shots are composed in 16:9 with some regard for the 4:3 it will ultimately be viewed in. I still think that having the option to watch the episodes with 16:9 effects shots on the HD DVDs is a good idea.

23. Enterprisingguy - February 7, 2008

I always wondered how the Enterprise managed to kill the whole crew of the Lexington with one shot yet not damage the ship in any way. This is inconsistent with what we have always seen even when a ship is hit without shields. If the M-5 somehow redirected power magically to the phasers they should have made this modification to the other ships after the war games. It was learned at a high price!

24. Anthony In Indiana - February 7, 2008

IF the Enterprise somehow hit the Lexington in just the right spot and knocked out the inertial dampeners and then the ship did some type of barrel or other maneuver I can see the whole crew dying in a “chunky salsa” way.

25. Driver - February 7, 2008

The first shot of four ships is from an angle that is not canon. Good. And they look great.

Like classic cars, seeing one alone makes it unique. Seeing many of the same model at the same time takes away from that uniqueness.

26. Captain Dunzel - February 7, 2008

Among the best TOS episodes. It just kills me to see so much trimmed away for syndicated broadcast. At least this line will sure to be in:

“Pull out the plug, Spock.”

*shivers*

“This…unit…must…die”

(Good thing Dr. Daystrom believed in corporal punishment.)

Can’t wait! These shots look fantastic.

27. JeFF - February 7, 2008

#23 and 24… you mean the entire crew of the Excalibur? The Lexington suffered casualties, but Wesley survived to tell the tale.

This looks great… I’ve always loved the Constitution Class! I’m looking forward to seeing the other ‘subtle design’ differences in the others, besides the windows.

Regarding other designs… it’s too bad they couldn’t fit another design in with any of the other Starbases shown, either in orbit or docked. I know some have been opposed to a Miranda-style TOS design, but I think it only makes sense. The version made for Star Trek: Legacy was good, and the one in the upcoming Star Trek: New Voyages also looks pretty deece.

28. Joe Coatar - February 7, 2008

Not being able to see all the new shots in their original 16:9 glory is a real shame, hopefully they’ll add that option to future hi-def releases, that shot of the four starships in formation would be ruined pillarboxed to 4:3

29. Dennis Bailey - February 7, 2008

These folks are great. I wish they were working on Abrams’ movie.

30. CmdrR - February 7, 2008

Ridiculous. Everyone knows that when you get four Connies in close formation the warp fields form a cross-shaped intersection where stars vanish! Why can’t CBS-D get it right??

:)

Nice! Love to see the Connies out to play (rough).

31. freezejeans - February 7, 2008

Pants = soiled…great interview, it’s always fun reading about how they decide on certain aspects! Been following the Okudas’ work for years and this will be an awesome episode.

32. CmdrR - February 7, 2008

OK, see it now. Lexington has four anti-collision lights in the front, to Enterprise’s three. At least I think that’s what those lights are. They’ve always been way too big (2 1/2 decks) to be viewports.

Do all these Connies’ registration numbers begin with 17? TOS used so much stock footage, the only other one I can remember is Decker’s wrecked Constellation being 1071.

33. British Naval Dude - February 7, 2008

Arrrr… I thought the four Connies were called the Francis, the Mack, the Rice and the Selleca… some of them be pretty ships indeed

Guess they won’t touch the computer itself?

34. diabolik - February 7, 2008

Happy to see darker, more vibrant blues for the phasers. I never could understand why they made them light blue in earlier episodes. They looked less powerful, and it wasn’t needed.

35. martin - February 7, 2008

So Anthony— Did they give any indication of when we might see season two on HD-DVD?

I am getting the feeling now with no announcement made yet, that it will be late in the year, and they are probably going to dump HD-DVD, after I bought the player with the Season One pack. It will tick me off a little, I would rather have them all in Blu-ray anyway, but then I would have to buy Season One again!

36. JeFF - February 7, 2008

Anti-collision lights? Good god man, have ya gone mad? Of course they are windows! Most likely some cushy lounge along the lines of Ten Forward (perhaps… Seven Forward?)… I am quite sure they are not lights.

This is like basic Trek Trivia… the four Connies that take on E in the episode are: Lexington, Hood, Potemkin, and Excalibur. I dare someone to argue that.

37. mars396 - February 7, 2008

DENISE: We talked about this at length. Mike and Dave were excited about coming up with new ships, but eventually we all decided that it was best to honor the expectations of fans who had grown up seeing four Constitution-class ships.

so it seems I will not get to see any Saladins in TOS. :(

Oh well: maybe JJ can sneak one in for me ???

38. Andy Patterson - February 7, 2008

I know it was due to limitations of time, technology and money back in those days, but I always thought it was kind of cool that all star ships looked like the Enterprise. Except she was special.

39. Captain Amazing!! - February 7, 2008

I’m very happy and extremely relieved they did not change up the starship designs for this one. Their wanting to “show that there’s more to Starfleet than just the Enterprise” in my opinion works both ways. If they always show ship designs other than the one you are familiar with it can make it seem as though there’s only one of that particular design no matter how many times the characters might hint there are more. That was always my problem. I like seeing new designs, but I was thrilled when we got to see another starship on TNG, for example, that was the same class as the Enterprise D. It drove me batty seeing them use designs from the TOS films like the Excelsior and the Grissom, although I realize it was most likely due to budget contraints. Never did care much for the alien ship designs…especially when those budget constraints forced them to use practically the same one for every race. The exceptions being the Ferengi and the Cardassians, both of which have extraordinary ship designs. Very cool ships…for not so cool aliens in the case of the Ferengi. Anyway, back to my point even though it’s exciting to see new ship designs/configurations, to me it was far more exciting seeing several of the same design on screen at the same time as is the case in this particular episode.

40. JimJ (hailing frequencies open) - February 7, 2008

This is going to be a great weekend, just like the weekend “Doomsday” was shown. I’m looking forward to it, as is my dvd recorder!!!!

41. Nathan - February 7, 2008

Thumbs up! Can’t wait to see what they come up with…

42. MrMikl - February 7, 2008

TO be totally nerdy, in all the Episodes, most of background and most of the dialog said or Kirk himself said that there were only 12 Constitution type craft “patroling” federation space or the nuetral zone, in fact, all the books I read, suggested nothing different. I took a small umbrage that on the failed plotline of “Enterprise” with Scott Backula or first Contact, that Vulcans had the first starships and had fought a war or they were just tooling around the galaxy.

in TOS, the Vulcans did not have much of a history. You just had a sense that Vulcans had some kind of ship cause a bunch of them up and settled on Romulus.

Although I am looking forward to ST 2008, there is far richer ground that Paramount seems to overlook. Who threw the first punch in the Romulan War with the fledgling Starfleet? What pissed off the Vulcans about the Andorians? The big question on my mind, if there is no dythumium on earth, how did warp drive ever get invented? I had always assumed Earth traded for it. The book that was most expressive was Enterprise, Commanded by Robert April with George Kirk at his side. But there are many books ought to be made into movies. Enterprise alone is getting awfully thin.

They should just launch anther Generation and crew after Picard, instead of retreading the past?

43. jon1701 - February 7, 2008

Noticed the 4 lights at the front of the Lexington straight away.

I don’t know whether to be happy or sad about that :(

44. jon1701 - February 7, 2008

NOTE TO SELF :

Must get out more. :D

45. Elrond L. - February 7, 2008

I’m disappointed that they didn’t use new ship designs — even just one variation would have helped. Don’t get me wrong, I love the Constitution class, but this gives the impression that the Enterprise is part of a cookie-cutter fleet. It lessens her mystique somewhat. That said, these shots are terrific and I’m really looking forward to the episode.

46. RichR - February 7, 2008

Showing two Constitution Class and two un-refit, pre-ST II Miranda Class would have been exceptional!

Unles I’m wrong, the Miranda Class was also classified as a cruiser (and not a destroyer), correct? Hence the reason Khan’s crew was able to pull off the hatchet job they did on the Enterprise when they took over the Reliant (yeah…yeah…I know the Enterprise hadn’t fully raised shields before the initial hits).

47. Balock - February 7, 2008

good start, I hope there are a lot more space scenes then what they share with us now. Yeh on NCC-17xx thing, too bad they didn’t chnage numbers on the Constellation to say NCC-1710 ot NCC-1707… I always liked the idea that USS Constitution is NCC-1700, and the others followed…

48. MrMikl - February 7, 2008

Rereading the comments and to be really nerdy, most vibrating energy weapons would probably not even be visible, sorta shoot a phaser and you nuke your enemy to death.

In the time travel remake, they made the ship wobble and look like it was flung away from the sun, I thought it was impressive, and made the show watchable.

in the TOS series, there was a lot Starfleet could have learned from, but the show was like any other TV series, one episode had nothing completely to do with another. Only in the last movie and it was an outtake did Picard get a seat belt!. I kinda think Paramount doesnt know much about science, Cochrane ran his ship right after WW III, I still wonder where he got antimatter or an inertial dampener from when Earth was barely rebuilding??

49. New Horizon - February 7, 2008

45. Elrond L. –

Well, if memory serves…they established that the fleet consisted of 11 or 12 other ships just like the Enterprise. Back in the day (before Enterprise) it was assumed that these were pretty much the first batch of Star Ships to explore the cosmos. I don’t think it’s unbelievable to have 12 ships made from the same design.

50. JJK - February 7, 2008

14, 32, 47 — I believe I read somewhere that the reason Constellation was dubbed NCC 1017 was that only the existing number decals for NCC 1701 were on hand, so they were simply rearranged. I agree that it would correcting that on The Doomsday Machine would have been a nice touch.

51. DavidJ - February 7, 2008

Glad they kept the ships the same. I’ve never cared for all those cheesy “kit-bashed” designs where you tack on a third nacelle or put the saucer under the secondary hull. Those things are ugly as hell.

It’s always been accepted that there were 12 original Constitution-class ships patrolling the galaxy during TOS anyway. It’s nice to finally be able to see some of them.

52. JeFF - February 7, 2008

Registry numbers are enough to drive me (and others here, I suspect) bonkers! Especially of the Connies…

Everyone seems to agree that the Constitution herself was NCC-1700… but look at the other Connies we’ve already seen that were NCC-16XX? In TOS-R, both the Exeter (NCC-1672) and the Intrepid (NCC-1631) are shown with NCC-16XX numbers. The ill-fated Excalibur (NCC-1664) seems to be no exception to that number, and if they are following what’s been laid out, the Potemkin (NCC-1657)will also. The Farragut (NCC-1647) is also conjectured to have been a Connie, with an NCC-16XX registry.

Oddballs include the Constellation (NCC-1017) and conjectured Connies: Republic (NCC-1375) and the Eagle (NCC-956).

All the others are over 17XX.

This is why I think the best place we could have seen other designs would have been in orbit around planet-side starbases (like how they snuck the Intrepid in). Even more than one would be logical, Miranda-style, Saladin-style, Ptolemy-style, or Federation-style. I’m not sure if they have another opportunity to sneak any of this in, but it would be nice!

53. COMPASSIONATE GOD - February 7, 2008

The idea behind/set ups in the new shots are actually great, but the execution leaves much (realistic efx) to be desired.

54. charnold - February 7, 2008

I wonder why no one thought fans would buy a reliant class ship being as powerful when equipped with a roll-bar/with weapons pods. (actually that would make it more powerful but you see my point.)

55. Thomas Jensen - February 7, 2008

It’s great reading about the process, how they go about these things. I can’t wait for the second season release this summer. The only way to see these episodes is in HD!

56. The Guardian of Forever - February 7, 2008

I’ve been looking particularly forward to seeing this one restored. I just love the original effects, but the cut-and-paste shot of the four other starships always annoyed me. Can’t wait to see this.

57. British Naval Dude - February 7, 2008

Arrrrr…. I do believe the USS Pinto had blown up in drydock or it woulda been in the fray with these other ships…

Too bad the USS Hindenburg didn’t make it either…

I woulda got confused and frightened if all tha ships looked different… but then it woulda been confusing if Khan had pillaged himself a Constellation class… Good thing Reliant wasn’t the same class as the Grissom, which I believe, shared the same parts with the Pinto… blew up real nice…

58. Rhett Coates - February 7, 2008

#52 (Jeff): “Registry numbers are enough to drive me (and others here, I suspect) bonkers! Especially of the Connies…

Everyone seems to agree that the Constitution herself was NCC-1700… but look at the other Connies we’ve already seen that were NCC-16XX? In TOS-R, both the Exeter (NCC-1672) and the Intrepid (NCC-1631) are shown with NCC-16XX numbers. The ill-fated Excalibur (NCC-1664) seems to be no exception to that number, and if they are following what’s been laid out, the Potemkin (NCC-1657)will also. The Farragut (NCC-1647) is also conjectured to have been a Connie, with an NCC-16XX registry.

Oddballs include the Constellation (NCC-1017) and conjectured Connies: Republic (NCC-1375) and the Eagle (NCC-956).

All the others are over 17XX…….”
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Presumably, that part of ‘Trek lore (maybe, MAYBE Roberto and Alex explain SOME of that in the new film?) is that Starfleet has, since the time following the NX-series (Archer, Hernandez, et.al.), had something called a NAVAL CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT series, which would have “NX” prefix designations denoting a prototype design or an experiemental vessel (think: NX-2000 USS Excelcior in ST-3). If that has any merit, then it might be that various construction contracts were held over from previous decades, and eventually — for whatever the reason in the 23rd century — used for the constitution-class vessels. That would explain why the USS Constellation became NCC-1017, and others were seen in 1600-series naval construction contract series numbers.

USS Constitution would have been, presumably, the class-ship: NCC-1700, and the others would follow—but not necessarily in numerical sequence. (Hey, creativity can present all manner of “reasons” as to why things are as they are in Star Trek; I’m a writer myself, and that idea always comes to mind when I see episodes from TOS with those so-called descrepancies.) ROBERTO, any comments—that don’t violate the secrecy surrounding the new film as of February 2008?

59. Ryan T. Riddle - February 7, 2008

This episode looks like it’s gonna rock! By the look of the front of the Lexington, there’s a subtle change in the bow of the saucer.

60. MK - February 7, 2008

I hope they somehow show other classes like the TOS-Miranda in other episodes, perhaps as filler FX when someone docks with the E. (I can’t think of any examples where that can happen right now though). So many times in TOS does something get mentioned but never see; that’s why I’m glad they’re remastering it.

The effects shows look amazing. I’m very much looking forward to this episode.

61. Doc Clu - February 7, 2008

This is the episode I’ve wanted to see remastered LONG before the remastered series came out. :D I always knew Star Trek would rock with the same internal scenes and remastered exterior shots. And so far I’ve been right. :D

62. 16309A - February 7, 2008

Been looking forward to this one. How sad is it that Okuda and the gang have to come here (no offense!) because st.com is a dead site. Bums me out!

63. mars396 - February 7, 2008

re: Registry Numbers:
if we are to accept that a Galaxy or Sovereign class starship would have a registry of NCC-1701, and not 9 or so digits it should have, then we must accept that when a ship is given a previously used name, than Starfleet keeps that registry.

I always felt that the Constellation NCC-1017 was named and registered after a famous ship.

Likewise the 16## numbered Constitutions.

And DS9’s Defiant SHOULD have been given her TOS registry number as well.

64. Decker's Stubble - February 7, 2008

46 – I believe the Miranda class is considered a light cruiser. A little too strong to be considered a frigate, but not as heavy a hitter like the Connies.

65. trekofficial - February 7, 2008

Its NOT Canon!!!! firstly the blue shade of the phaser is far too saturated and the particles are too big for phased energy burst, furthermore the motion blur on the enterprise is a bit aggressive for a ship of that size unless its moving so fast within the frame but unlikely given the mass of the vessel vs. the camera which is invariably “small”!!!! And also I can see no one in the windows of the ship so its empty..uhh!

66. Diabolik - February 7, 2008

This episode revision breaks with canon! The original station was a K-7 type, and they arbitrarily CHANGE it to another kind! Playing with canon facts, now? I’m surprised more fans aren’t screaming.

Not that I think it, I welcome this kind of thing. But with all the guessed, supposed and imagined canon violations some are leveing at Abrams, I’m surprised more aren’t outraged about this retro-revision.

67. 16309A - February 7, 2008

#65 We all know why the original station was a K-7 type–because of the budget. They had a station built, they didn’t have money to make a new one, so there you go. I’m sure if they had more budget money a different station would be made.

68. Kev-1 - February 7, 2008

Looks good. I’ll miss the K-7, but if the new stuff clearly shows the M-5 ‘s tactical superiority (the original quick cuts were excellent but didn’t show the complete maneuvers), that’s a plus.

69. Spock - February 7, 2008

#23 – They did the phaser upgrade on the the refit Enterprise. They channeled warp power to the phasers banks.

70. OneBuckFilms - February 7, 2008

66 – They didn’t even create a new effects shot.

One of the great things about the Remastered new effects is the chance to expand the universe a little without changing the stories.

This, to me, i an example of the difference between story canon and visual canon.

If you think of the Star Trek movies and TV series we’ve seen as re-enactments of a future history, then there is some license to redesign things a little.

71. MK - February 7, 2008

Remember that should a phaser weapon actually be invented, you wouldn’t be able to see the “beam”. All you’d see is the impact zone. So I don’t care if the phaser blast was piss yellow.

As for the numbering, I don’t know why people are so hung up around 17xx. There have been many ships named the Constitution and Constellation. But the NCC-1017 was not 1017-A. It was just 1017. Due to the low number most speculate that it was an older ship that has been extensively refit. That makes more sense.

I believe Roddenberry originally intended 1701 to mean “the first ship of the 17th design”. The 00 would be a prototype. Obvious that concept has been abandoned, and I would imagine all registries are assigned when the ship productions starts.

So even if the Enterprise was the first Constitution class (with the USS Constitution being a prototype), Perhaps the other 16xx Constututions started production earlier, but the Enterprise finished first, or even that they were other older classes like a TOS Miranda and were refit when they design was clearly very successful.

72. LordEdzo - February 7, 2008

Beeeea-UUUtiful VFX!!! Can’t wait!

I wonder what the February 2009 “sweeps” episode will be. I’m thinking either “Elaan of Troyius” or “The Enterprise Incident.”

Thoughts?

73. Diabolik - February 7, 2008

It tickles me to see them do stuff like a new station, new cargo ship, etc., using other established designs from other media. I’m fine with it, just saying I’m surprised (pleasantly) that more fans don’t cry foul.

74. Diabolik - February 7, 2008

Okay, folks, I;ve been leading up to a point inthe last few posts…

Most fans posting here don’t have a problem with the CBS team changing things for the better… to make up for a small budget the original series had. Correct?

So why not allow the same freedom for JJ and the crew in the new movie????

75. trekofficial - February 7, 2008

I was just kiddin..it looks great even tho I cant watch these HD broadcasts one day perhaps..I hope JJ just kicks the crap outta it and makes it COOL & something that’ll last a long long time…

76. T Negative - February 7, 2008

The Lexington’s nacelle caps look quite different from the Enterpise’s. I like the dual windows up front.

This is going to be fun to watch!!

77. T Negative - February 7, 2008

#71

I think Star Trek Remastered ends in August 2008. They are only doing two seasons of 40 episodes each.

Unless that’s changed??
anyone?

78. Enterprisingguy - February 7, 2008

68. Spock – February 7, 2008

#23 – They did the phaser upgrade on the the refit Enterprise. They channeled warp power to the phasers banks.

Thanks! I should have thought of that!!

Good piece of logic!

79. British Naval Dude - February 7, 2008

76- No!!!!
No Spock’s Brain re-mastered????

arrrrrgh!!!!!

80. Jorg Sacul - February 7, 2008

canon: a series of facts or beliefs, held as indisputable, regarding a certain subject.

cannon: a big freakin’ gun, or a big freakin’ detective.

please make a note of it for future rants about the Remasters and JJ Abrams raping your collective childhoods.

:-)

81. Krik Semaj - February 7, 2008

#71 as Nomad would say “non sequitor”. The show has such a small market share that it makes no difference what they show. The next episodes are The Ultimate Computer, The Trouble Wih Tribbles, and Operation: Annihilate! So I guess they are trying to make a fairly strong showing, but it really doesn’t matter, considering it is almost always shown at some odd hour, and not in all markets.
My DVR will be set for this week’s episode.

82. New Horizon - February 7, 2008

76. T Negative

I don’t think that has ever been the plan, considering they have remastered third season episodes already. Where in the name of zeus did you hear that?

83. British Naval Dude - February 7, 2008

81- Thanks be!

We all get ta see a new Spock’s Brain.

Whew!

Oh- they had the episode w/ the peppy people who moved so fast… and the one w/ the Riddler in b/w…

arrrr…. Next year we re-master TNG, right? har….

84. Sean4000 - February 7, 2008

Ty,

I believe there will be 3 HD-DVD seasons price gouged at 179.99 each.

85. Ralph F - February 7, 2008

SPEAKING of changing ships…

http://web.mac.com/coreworks/GALILEO/Incidents.html

Would love to hear some commentary on this idea.

86. Sean4000 - February 7, 2008

#82 God I hope not. Please leave TNG alone!

87. Frank - February 7, 2008

If I remember correctly the Constellation’s registration numbers NCC-1017 where just scrambled numbers from the Enterprise’s own (NCC-1701) number. The ever-popular AMT plastic model of the Enterprise was used as a stand in for the Constellation. They simply (and economically) changed some of the numbers by a little cut and past and presto – a new registration number was born.

88. MK - February 7, 2008

#86 Yeah, they indeed stated that was the case.

89. T Negative - February 7, 2008

#81

There are two seasons of Star Trek Remastered for Syndication of which we are currently in Season 2. They are not in production order or original air date order. If you go to Star Trek.com they have the remaining episodes left to air listed there. The HD-DVD’s are a totally different deal.

http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/news/article/2305413.html

#78
Spock’s Brain has already aired. Sometime last year.

90. Jorg Sacul - February 7, 2008

On the subject of cut and paste, the footage of the wrecked Constellation was reused in “The Ultimate Computer” as the wrecked Excalibur. I wonder what ever happened to that model?

91. Ralph F - February 7, 2008

I always wondered why, if they were scrambling the numbers, they didn’t just go with NCC-1710, which would have made a little more sense.

92. Ron Jon - February 7, 2008

#90: Probably because it would have looked too similar to NCC-1701, to the casual viewer.

93. Frank - February 7, 2008

The guy gluing the the model together back then probably was the one who decided on the new numbers – lol. Back then NO ONE expected THAT to be a topic 40 years later or the impact it would have on Star Trek lore…

94. Sean4000 - February 7, 2008

92: LOL yeah who would have thought!

95. S. John Ross - February 7, 2008

When people talk about which Trek creators were most responsible for their love of Trek, my answer is always simple and immediate: Dorothy Fontana. Hands down. By about a trillion light-years. So it makes me smile when someone says something like “we really wanted to help tell D.C. Fontana’s story …”

But that said, let’s not forget Laurence Wolf! :)

96. Batts - February 7, 2008

It looks OK! BUt it still does not convey the size and smoothness that season 1 remastered ships have. Notice how the quality changed from episodes like Naked Time and then to Tomorrow is Yesterday. It appears that someone is rushing again..

97. ety3 - February 7, 2008

Ain’t It Cool News has posted an article, also, and they feature two new pics:

(http://www.aintitcool.com/node/35533)

There’s a shot of the Woden and a different shot of the Enterprise firing on another Constitution-class vessel.

98. Lord Garth, Formerly Of Izar - February 7, 2008

OOOOOOOH the Lexington has 4 count em 4 central saucer rim mega big port holes!!!!!!! Makes for lovely targets for the M-5 E

I have port hole envy our E only has 3 mega big central saucer portholes.

99. Ron Jon - February 7, 2008

Yeah, but the Big E has the newer, Mark IX portholes, each of which is 57% more powerful than the crummy Mark VIII units on the Lexington.

100. Andy Patterson - February 7, 2008

97
98

Gotta admit you guys have eye for detail I missed. You told me and I still can’t see it.

101. Enc - February 7, 2008

sorry but ive always held that those are not light (ant-colision?) or windows, but rather sensors. unforyunately what are those little brown strait bits at the bootm that look brown that give them the look of a ‘window’ with a room beyond. im sure some fan will be creating a 7-forawd design soon, with a wheel like TFF.
im sorry but the four instaed of three is there idea of subtle change dosent go far enough for me. id like to have seen something more direct. like engine spikes, large bridge dome. you know there are THREE engine end caps: flat, holed and ball.
uknow looking at this pic they all have dual impulse units, how about four?
#24 yep ya hit the ‘sweet spot’ and you find yourself agaist the opposite bulkhead :D
#42 ive always like a pike based show
#57 i heard a work bee re ended the uss crown vic
#37 yes its a nice class but i dont have any favor for odd number nacelle ships

102. OR Coast Trekkie - February 7, 2008

These do look like some great shots. The weapons hit looks DRASTICALLY improved over your last endeavors. Hoewver, I think you can still put up a bubble shield. If Cawley, a self-proclaimed purist, used a bubble shield, I think it’s ok.

While I do think these are great shots, I am one of those who thinks you could have added a different class ship to the fleet and it would have been accepted. I am one who understands that the 4 ships wasn’t about “vision” but was about time and $$$.

That being said, I also realize that basically, the vision verses the time and $$$ are the same today. I know it’s easier and more cost effective to just use 4 Constitution class ships (I’m not naive). But if you are going to do that, you need to do more than just change a porthole window, which I would have never noticed if people in here hadn’t mentioned it. You need to do something more blatently obvious so that a person like me who is a Star Trek fan, but doesn’t necessarily eat, beathe and live Star Trek can say “hey, look at that.”

But really, it’s the lack of time and $$$ that this project has that really makes me sad. This was something that really deserved the time, the $$$ to be done to be absolutely mind blowing. I know redoing the effects was not a part of the original vision, it was simply restoring the film. But I am left wondering why a new budget and new proposal was never reworked. Don’t you do a trial run or pre-screening or something before you submit a final proposal, so that you can see what needs and what needs to be changed from the first draft of the proposal?

I’m also confused as to why the reworking of the effects became a big thing that was touted about this project. Because you see different accounts waying “We wanted great new effects” to “We wanted to take a minimalistic stance.” To me, this was a marketing blunder. If the main focus of this was to make Star Trek HD, then make that the main focus. If you are going to market this is “See the new special effects” then more time and $$$ need to be dumped into making them. But as it is, I, as a consumer, felt that I have been marketed an incomplete job.

Please don’t take this personally, but many of the effects efforts have been hit and miss. I really think that if you really wanted to have the best effects job done, it should have been contracted out to ILM or Eden FX. But as for what we have on these DVD’s, I sadly have to say, that I, as a consumer, am unwilling to pay $179 for a product with hit and miss efforts, and for episodes that CBS-D folks themselves even admit “involved making tough calls on what to do and what not to do.”

Now, if more was done at better quality, and was done more complete, I’d in fact, be willing to PAY a little bit more for the product being sold. But as is, I’m content to watch as it airs on television.

Don’t get me wrong, I do look forward to watching these episodes each week, as I do enjoy TOS. And there have been lots of good things done. But I am unsatisfied with what has been missed. But hey, I do look forward to seeing what we have in store for “The Ultimate Computer.”

103. Batts - February 7, 2008

I agree 100% with #101.

104. Elrond L. - February 7, 2008

#49 New Horizon said:
“Well, if memory serves…they established that the fleet consisted of 11 or 12 other ships just like the Enterprise. Back in the day (before Enterprise) it was assumed that these were pretty much the first batch of Star Ships to explore the cosmos. I don’t think it’s unbelievable to have 12 ships made from the same design.”

Oh, I didn’t realize that . . . I thought there were more Starfleet ships during that time. That’s why one different design would have been cool, a subtle way to show the fleet was evolving.

#73: Right on! I was thinking the same thing.

105. Enc - February 7, 2008

#101 all good but id add that cbs-d did not even get enough time to do the job right the first time. remember they were handed the contract with only a couple of weeks, literaly days before first air. i blame tptb suits for not having the forsite of how hard a job it is to clean up old film and the new fx shots on top of it. tptb should have realised the anniversery was coming and had the wish list for it drawn up a lot earlier then they did.

106. Commodore Z - February 7, 2008

How much more would you be willing to pay? (How much is “a little”?) How much more do you think it would have cost to go to ILM, or to take the additional time you’re suggesting (remembering that time is money)?

How many more copies would they have to sell in order to make up that difference?

I have no idea what the real budget is, but let’s say the original budget was $5 million. Let’s also say that the additional time would add another 20%, so we’re talking an additional million. If you’re willing to pay an additional $100, then they’d have to sell 10,000 units. If you’re only willing to pay an additional $10, they’d have to sell 100,000 copies extra. (Actually, the distributors and the retailers all need to make a profit, so those numbers would probably be more than doubled.)

How many copies did you say you were going to buy?

107. Commodore - February 7, 2008

Why can’t they just modernize the effects shots and not put their own two cents into everything? I understand that the old effects just don’t hold up any more, but why do thay have to “Improve” everything? Just PLEASE copy the old shots with new more realistic and detailed CGI, that’s all! The new shots are not the original creators choices, nor is it all the fans choices,it’s just thier choices, I agree with what Leonad Nimoy said “Shame on you”!

and P.S. The NCC-1701 Impulse engines should almost never be shown lite up and actavated, Only in special cases like in “Doomsday Machine”, “Elaan of Troyus”,For the wold is hollow,,, ” Ect. This is not the movies or TNG/DSN, Impulse drive was only used for emergencys and special cases in the TOS era, The warp drive was used at most times ,even when the ship was orbiting or going sub-light , hence the term “space normal speed”

Commodore

108. Dave - February 7, 2008

I think the 12 Contiution-class ships is on the nose. The enterprise was always in the first quadrant (in the “southern” most part of the galaxy???)and the other 11 ships were in Quadrants 2, 3, & 4.

Seems wasteful to me. How many times did Kirk say. “We’re the only ship in the quadrant.”

I think one of the space stations should have the golden arches on top and be a drive-thru.

109. Enc - February 7, 2008

#105 (remembering that time is money)?
“money is money” :D

http://stason.org/TULARC/pc/dvd-format-video/5-1-How-much-does-it-cost-to-produce-a-DVD-Isn-t-it-more-ex.html
so how moch was the contract to cbs-d, just how much per season/ ep are they spending? this has been the question that has been asked the past year and not yet answerd. isnt there a fan in those circles who know and posts? :)

110. Sean4000 - February 7, 2008

101:

You make me proud. What they’re doing isn’t nearly enough to make me shell out the $$$ for TOS-HD.

I’ll buy Enterprise on HD-DVD (dead format) before I buy this on any format.

111. Enc - February 7, 2008

#106
sorry i dont know where youre reffering to but i think it was cbs-d, that they did mention this. saying that they were turning on the impulse only where it was mentioned or implied to be needed.

#107
i believe that this qudarant issue was covered in the… were is it, ah yes, the star trek starcharts book

112. JessIAm - February 7, 2008

#4 what is WNMHGB?

113. Sean4000 - February 7, 2008

Where No Man Has Gone Before

It is the second pilot for TOS and the first to feature Shatner as the Captain of the Enterprise.

114. Cranston - February 7, 2008

Even if they insisted on going with only Constitution class ships, I still would’ve liked to see a bit more variation. I mean, they already have a Pike-era model that they’ve used in “The Menagerie” — so one of them could’ve had Pike-era spires (or grilles) on the nacelles, another could’ve had the bigger bridge module. Maybe another of them having a TMP-era deflector dish. Of course, it’s possible they did some of that — I can’t see all of all 4 ships in these images.

At any rate, what’s here looks really good, and I’m most interested in seeing it all in motion. I really liked Dave Rossi’s comment about seeing the E becoming a killing machine, methodically hunting down the others.

115. DJT - February 7, 2008

I am salivating at the mouth.

116. Fleet Captain Kor'Tar - February 7, 2008

Looking good! I can’t wait to see more!!

117. Oregon Trek Geek - February 7, 2008

Wow, those are awesome desktop pics. :)

118. I AM THX-1138 - February 7, 2008

The way I see it, I’m just going to get both Blu-Ray and HD players and have my bases covered. I’ve got a nice HD upconvert player and I know it’s not the same, but I figure that I will be able to pick up an HD player for cheap here soon and I’ll save the Quatloos for the Blu-Ray as needed.

This is the price one pays these days to have a home theater. My HD screen is in place, my sound system is absolutely great, and now all I need are the players to complete the picture. No pun intended.

I have been anxiously awaiting this episode. I hope we get to see some well done battle damage and am looking forward to seeing the E doing some outrageous manuevers. Just no barrel rolls, please.

119. Commodore - February 7, 2008

Sorry No, If that’s what CBS-D said they, are not doing it, The Impulse engine thrust ports are lite up about have the time, They should be off except in special cases as I stated above.

120. Heywood Jablomee - February 7, 2008

#107 Dave, I cracked up at the McDonalds gag, that was freakin’ hilarious! You are so right, all it needs is a set of golden arches on top and it would totally pass for a space drive-thru!! Could you imagine? Instead of tribbles, we’d have fry-guys invading the Enterprise and Grimmis causing havoc down in the engine room, making clumsy drooling passes at the warp core… “I can’t help it, it’s sooo beautiful…”

121. Alex Rosenzweig - February 7, 2008

#32 – 2 1/2 decks? There’s only two decks in the widest part of the saucer. Decks 6 and 7.

#36 – “Anti-collision lights? Good god man, have ya gone mad? Of course they are windows! Most likely some cushy lounge along the lines of Ten Forward (perhaps… Seven Forward?)… I am quite sure they are not lights.”

I’d always liked FJ’s idea that they were sensor units, but it looks like the CBS Digital team is going with the windows idea.

#46 – “Unles I’m wrong, the Miranda Class was also classified as a cruiser (and not a destroyer), correct?”

You’re not wrong. :)

(‘Course, the first version of that ship we saw was christened by fandom as a heavy frigate, and we even snuck an allusion to that in the Miranda section of _Starship Spotter_.)

#73 – “Most fans posting here don’t have a problem with the CBS team changing things for the better… to make up for a small budget the original series had. Correct?”

Correct on the first half of that…incorrect on the second. ;) For the late 1960s, TOS had a huge budget, especially in the first two seasons. But there was still only so much that could be done, and I think what CBS Digital has been doing to give a modern take on the original material is very cool.

122. Enc - February 7, 2008

#117
iirc tos only used sb side shots of the E ’cause the models wires were external and ran down the port side.
so how are you on the use of port side shots in use on this tos-r

as to battle damage. how about a tuc type explosion ripping thru a saucer sec
may follow it with explosive decompresion of a tos rec deck and a few red shirts going out like the klingons in gen (but that would be directing).

123. OneBuckFilms - February 7, 2008

120. I think the caveat “for the late 1960s” is in play here.

I was high budget for the time, but both technology and the definition of “high budget” were both somewhat less that our standards today.

Television production has gotten more expensive as production and technology has improved and evolved.

Here’s my view of Canon:

– If it was spoken in dialogue or shown on screen it’s Canon.
– If it was not, then it is not.

There are a lot of things that are assumed to be canon because they were in publicity material and generally accepted by fans.

However, there are a lot of assumptions made about things not depicted or details not given.

Was the Enterprise a Heavy Cruiser? We don’t know. We assume, though perhaps incorrectly.

There is some leeway to be given here.

124. Enc - February 7, 2008

#120 yeah i read that. and i too believe in the 2 decks but some think the undercut carves it out and the rim is 1 deck or goes back to 2. regardless some think its 1 1/2 decks, one for the part that survives the undercut and the restoring rim only goes so far as 1/2. or 2 decks and the rim overhang is an extra 1/2. But if you look at JJ’s trailer, i thought that leading rim looked like 3 decks tall. oh well.

re: miranda
what about the avenger class?

125. Captain Pike - February 7, 2008

Too bad they didn’t do something more varied but I’m honestly not surprised. At least we get the new Starbase and TAS freighter.

The Avenger name for the Reliant-type vessel comes from fan blueprints in the 80s. The Miranda class was canonized by DS9.

126. Matt Wright - February 7, 2008

I have to agree with #4, I would have liked to see a little bit more of a variety of Constitution. Making one or two of the other ships a WNHGB style Connie would have been cool, it would show that the fleet is constantly undergoing minor tweak/refits and not everyone has been able to put into drydock to refit yet, some of these ships would still be completing a 5-year mission, etc.

127. Enc - February 7, 2008

#124 and a lot of avenger fans faught it
including the theory of it was a tos avenger class then uss miranda got tmp style refit and was re-classified. and that gets they connie fight going again. where the ent refit was called constitution class instead of enterprise class by picard in the naked now. so why would they with such a major change like that keep the ent the same class but reclass avenger to miranda and then call the bozeman a soyuz class. wich brings us back to the we had no budget for a new ship arguement so we just kitbashed an exsisting one. :D

128. Michael Hall - February 7, 2008

“Was the Enterprise a Heavy Cruiser? We don’t know. We assume, though perhaps incorrectly.”

No, but we know that the ship represented the pinnacle of Starfleet technology, as this was alluded to any number of times.

“Why can’t they just modernize the effects shots and not put their own two cents into everything?”

See, this just restates a point that’s been made over and over on these boards since this project was announced: the literal impossibility of pleasing the entire fanbase, some of whom are bringing a huge amount of baggage to their viewings of these shows. Because some will complain that more should have been done, while others insist that CBS-D should have just strictly honored the intent of the original artists by re-creating the FX shots as closely as possible.

Though I’ve had my own reasons to occasionally take issue with their work, I think that given the time constraints and budget CBS-D has walked the line between those extremes pretty successfully, and for all the unfavorable comparisons I also believe their work holds up very well next to prior efforts to duplicate the FX style of TOS (e.g. Zoic’s work on “A Mirror Darkly” and “These Are the Voyages). Maybe another house with a larger budget and more time would have produced better work overall, but inasmuch as the original TOS production itself was far from perfect, I don’t expect even newly recreated visual FX to be perfect either. No less an authority than Bob Justman has expressed his satisfaction with the effort to give his work of 40 years ago a new luster, and were I an employee of CBS, that’s the opinion I’d take to the bank.

129. Enc - February 7, 2008

#125
ive never baught the 5 year mission bit. oh sure kirk says it in the opening credit. sure that was (for me) the mmission time of the enterprise. but ive never applied it to the rest of the fleet like many other fans do.
maybe some of these ships can still have some of the old tech because it still works. it still works for what missions they have been undertaking.

130. Sean4000 - February 7, 2008

Chalk this up as another missed opportunity. That’s the spirit of TOS-R!

131. Spocko - February 7, 2008

I don’t really like to say this, but most of the ships in those new images look too fake.

132. Sean4000 - February 7, 2008

I’ll give them this, CG tends to not lhold up well when downscaled. The pixel dimensions the CG is rendered in is the optimal way to view it. Kind of a duh thing but I am simply trying to be fair.

However, I’m now watching “In A Mirror Darkly, Part 2″ on a 1080P upscaling DVD player, 60″ Sony 1080P TV and the TOS-R HD I’ve watched in HD just isn’t holding up.

133. Lord Garth, Formerly Of Izar - February 7, 2008

Would have loved to have seen a Starfleet Battles Dreadnaught. Starfleet battles had the baddest ass Tos ships. FASA Trek had some killer movie era stuff as well, Chandley Class, Loknar, Andor, Baker class ect. To bad none of the Trek incarnations never dipped into these wealth of killer designs. Once, just once!! I wanted to see a real Starfleet fleet in action like you saw in Star Wars. DS9 came close a couple of times in the Dominion war episodes but you really only saw a few different Fed ships duplicated. OH well, Orci you listening????

134. cd - February 7, 2008

As usual, there appears to be more complaining ABOUT so-called canonists than BY them. >;>}
They made some tweaks, but nothing too extreme. I do like they that kept them Constitution class, but changed them slightly. The quality of the rendering though looks again like original Star Trek Concordance cover quality. I don’t know why they can’t have shots like E and the Antares, which is very realistic, instead of the more cartoony looking shots. It’s almost like they have two different teams working on it. If Battlestar Galactica and Firefly can do photorealistic effects consistently, TOS-R should be able to as well.

135. Nelson - February 7, 2008

re: post 131-
Please explain. I have the HD-DVD’s, though I am watching on a 50″ plasma, it looks pretty terrific to me.

I am viewing at 1080i, on a player that can output at 1080p on a display that can display 1080i and can be forced into displaying 1080p.

The only issues I see are jaggies on the saucer at certain times and angles. Then at other times I can see the facets from the polygon model. The only other issue is probably what most complain about, and their choice for how CBS does the texture mapping on the hull. However the ship is in motion and you can never notice these issues. It’s holding up very well.

136. New Horizon - February 7, 2008

” 127. Michael Hall – February 7, 2008
No less an authority than Bob Justman has expressed his satisfaction with the effort to give his work of 40 years ago a new luster, and were I an employee of CBS, that’s the opinion I’d take to the bank.”

Is Bob Justman a CGI expert/artist? Neither am I, but I can tell you what looks good and what doesn’t. Some of the CBS stuff is pretty damn good…but a good majority of it is ‘half baked’. The quality goes all over the board, the styles go all over the board too. Sometimes it looks like they’re trying to achieve motion picture quality and the next it looks like they’re trying to fit within the style of the show. Then other times, it just looks half finished. I respect Bob Justman for his work on TOS, but hisopinion doesn’t qualify the efforts of CBS D. At this point he’s an outsider like us, giving his opinion.

I have no problem with the replacement of the effects…’if’ they’re done properly the first time, but this is far from proper….and what makes me even more angry is the nice little cash grab they’re making off of half finished CGI work.

The suits needed to invest a little more time and money in this project…so they could actually have some sense of cohesion and quality control. This whole project is butchered.

137. Enc - February 7, 2008

#132
oh you got me now. let me get out my fasa book.
ill vote for Makin, Andor, Anton, Larson, Remora, Northhampton, Chandley, Loknar, Derf.
I always thought the Bakers aft hull was a bit large.

138. Gojira Al-Kzin - February 7, 2008

106. Commodore – February 7, 2008

Why can’t they just modernize the effects shots and not put their own two cents into everything? I understand that the old effects just don’t hold up any more, but why do thay have to “Improve” everything?
———
Because most of the original shots were dictated by stock footage available. The new shots keep the feel but add originality.

I like the improved shots. This episode in particular NEEDS improved shots. Slapped together stock footage used in the battle in the original verision does NOT cut it. Those shots NEED to be re-done to make for a saleable product anyhow.

139. Balock - February 7, 2008

I’m an old timer, and like the idea of updating the effects. My thanks to the Okudas for doing it right and the artwork, like scenes around SB 11 in the
Menagerie. The problem with TOS-R is the CGI ships/hanger deck. The CGI already looks outdated, the 40 year old models look way better…

By the way, shame on the new guys for changing the exterior of the E in the upcoming movie!

140. S. John Ross - February 7, 2008

#132, #136: I still fondly remember my first FASATrek campaign. IIRC the crew were aboard a Loknar called the USS Tiberius. We were too young to care if that was a stupid name :)

141. diabolk - February 7, 2008

#106, cause most others here would scream that they aren’t doing enough.

142. Jorg Sacul - February 7, 2008

>>I think one of the space stations should have the golden arches on top and be a drive-thru.
>>

Funny you should mention that. Back in the early 1970s, White Castle restaurant had a commercial where an obvious AMT kit Enterprise pulls up to a space station with a White Castle restaurant on top, ordering several thousand of the burgers and a small Coke. I’ve inquired to the White Castle corporation sales department about it, and they “have no knowledge” of any such commercial… and well they shouldn’t, because Paramount would have sued their butts off for using Star Trek to sell Slyders… but the commercial DID run, and it is remembered by many folks.

143. T Negative - February 7, 2008

These new effects shots of the Enterprise look fantastic in HD period. I just got an HD-DVD player and the new visuals are unbelievably good.

The first model they used in the first seven episodes does not look good in HD but the the episodes that utilize the newer model look great. I am generally pleased with their efforts but it is what they are NOT doing that bothers me because of time constraints.

Shame on Paramount for that.

144. Alex Rosenzweig - February 7, 2008

#123 – ” #120 yeah i read that. and i too believe in the 2 decks but some think the undercut carves it out and the rim is 1 deck or goes back to 2. regardless some think its 1 1/2 decks, one for the part that survives the undercut and the restoring rim only goes so far as 1/2. or 2 decks and the rim overhang is an extra 1/2.”

I’ve always taken it that part of Deck 7 is about a half-deck high, as the underside’s upward curve reaches its highest point in that area. Back on the outer rim, it goes back to two full decks in height.

“But if you look at JJ’s trailer, i thought that leading rim looked like 3 decks tall. oh well.”

I was thinking two full decks plus hull structure, from the look of it.

“re: miranda
what about the avenger class?”

Yup, that’s the name given to the heavy frigate version. When Jon Lane and I did the text for the _…Spotter_, Licensing wouldn’t let us name things that hadn’t been previously named on the shows, but they did let us slip in the line about the frigate refits, which was an allusion to the Surya-class and the later refit to the Avengers. We then imagined the Mirandas to be new-build cruisers following on the successful use of that spaceframe design. It all fits rather nicely, which was cool.

#124 – Actually, ironically enough, the term “Miranda-class” is never uttered in any Trek series, nor is the text on the plaques actually resolvable on-screen, so in that sense it’s not canonical. (Either way, it is absolutely not canonical that the Reliant is a Miranda-class, because the class of that ship is never specified on-screen.) In the end, though, there didn’t seem to be any point to arguing about it when the fan and Paramount designations could fit side-by-side so easily. :)

145. trekkie1701abcde - February 7, 2008

can’t wait for this episode. I believe CBS-D is going to pull out all of the stops for this one and it is going to be one hell of a show!

146. DJT - February 7, 2008

Whoa! You guys also have those old FASA books? I wish some of that stuff could be worked into the background.

147. DJT - February 7, 2008

Also, re: space stations. Even though, they are at the far reaches of the galaxy, I would imagine that there would be a little more traffic – assuming they were on space routes of some sort.

148. [The] TOS Purist - February 7, 2008

Most fans posting here don’t have a problem with the CBS team changing things for the better… to make up for a small budget the original series had. Correct?

So why not allow the same freedom for JJ and the crew in the new movie????

Why? Oh, mostly because Abrams is doing WAY more than just a few minute changes to make up for a small budget. He considers the TOS universe to be so unworthy of the Big Screen that he went so far as to create his own, seperate continuity to have his movie take place in.

I laugh whenever he says he “respects and understands/knows the Star Trek universe.”

149. Ron Jon - February 7, 2008

I’m pretty sure the term “Miranda Class” was spoken on screen in an episode of DS9.

150. OneBuckFilms - February 7, 2008

147 – I’m curious as to when you saw the movie.

151. =A= - February 7, 2008

oh no i cant wait on sunday 3pm pt.

152. steve adams - February 7, 2008

Season 2 of TOS really kicked ass.

This episode was awesome. I’ll never forget the look on Kirks face when he can’t stop the Enterprise from destroying 4 Consitution class ships.
^
Priceless.
^
Daystrom what a baby. (Get out of the loboratory sheesh)

153. Enc - February 7, 2008

#145
some fans wish they (and all trek material) would be within arms reach of every trek writer.

#147
dont they say they would ‘honor’ canon, and rarely if ever say ‘follow’ canon.

#149
the trailer kinda hurts. and that corridor.
im waiting to see the film but right now i just dont see TOS

#151
well he did design the ent computer so he was good back in his day.
computed dear :D

154. Holo J - February 8, 2008

#142. T Negative

It makes me wonder if they will go back and fix those earlier episodes with the new model at some point in time. I hope they at least do that for any future releases of TOS on DVD. I too would like to see them do something to all those missed chances to change dated effects and add backdrops to the sets on the sound stage etc..

When you say “but it is what they are NOT doing that bothers me because of time constraints.

Shame on Paramount for that. ”

I would like to double the shame on you Paramount for that!!!
TOS deserves better treatment considering how much money its made you!!! Show a lot more love and give it more time and money for a more complete update.

The shot of the Enterprise leaving the space station does look very well rendered. The other shots look fine enough but I just hope the movement looks right and not awkward when it comes to us seeing the ships in motion.

155. DJT - February 8, 2008

I wonder why no computer company has yet named one of their products
“M5″

,,,,new from so and so….the M-5…. starship not included

156. Enc - February 8, 2008

#153 It makes me wonder if they will go back and fix those earlier episodes with the new model at some point in time.

i thought they were.

157. Enc - February 8, 2008

#154

ok what do you want to see
M-5
Hal-9000
LCARS
now what os
windows
mac
linux

158. Holo J - February 8, 2008

155. Enc

No, unfortunately they didn’t…. well they havent for the season one episodes they released on DVD and I dont think they have any plans to correct any of the season two episodes they used the first model on either.

I hope one day they will though as well as adding to stuff time and money hasnt allowed for this time around. When a non-rushed version with complete dated effects overhall is made available that is the version I will buy a copy of. But until then I will stick with the originals on DVD.

159. Doug - February 8, 2008

I can’t wait to see this episode!

It would’ve been cool to see Franz Joseph’s destroyers in the fray, but I’m not greedy.

If they do anything as well with this episode as they did with “The Doomsday Machine,” I’m sure they will do a great job!

I’ve liked 99% of their new stuff!

160. seangh - February 8, 2008

So far so good – things are looking up for this episode, which I’ve been looking forward to from day one.

I’m a little concerned about the four – shot of the armada – they look awfully close together and that hard shadow on the lower middle ship gives them a feeling of being small and toy sized toy. Anyone picking up on that?

161. DarenDoc - February 8, 2008

#141

!!!!!!

YESSS… I had forgotten about that White Castle commercial!! But I remember it vividly now. Very early seventies… It might have been just on the east coast, though… don’t know.

Wow. Yeah.

162. Space Cowboy - February 8, 2008

Hey Alex, glad to see you here, still in the blueprint business?

I was a ten year old boy when TOS first came to the airwaves on
CTV and NBC, it made me switch from LiS(Lost in Space). So I’m really an old fart in this. Star Trek also owes a lot to Forbidden Planet, Rocky
Jones:Space Ranger,Tom Corbett et all as each were no doubt inspiration
for Trek’s Starfleet and “Federation” as each had their own take on same.
I believe that the upgraded FX, including the small touches, like replacing
the “roller wheel” chronometer on the nav/helm console with a true digital
readout is what Jim Rugg & William ‘Matt’ Jeffries would have wanted had they access to the cash and technology. I was relieved upon viewing TTwT
that there was no sign of Sisko,Dax,O’Brien or Bashir. So they kept the
“real” Trekverse intact. In that regard I am a fan of FJ and hold to many
of his designs, the ‘Ships of the Star Fleet’ books, yet I have a bone to pick with Micheal Okuda (and Naren Shankar for his bad episodes of TNG).
However, his naming of the frigates Miranda class can be seen as a
parallel universe 24th century designation of an inferior craft (hell so many
broke apart during encounters with the Borg and Dominion). Therefore it should be noted that the Reliant is actually an Avenger class Frigate…
borne out of the previous Surya class, with the Coventry class being my
favourite TOS class frigate. I like the new FX and no doubt as a previous poster who said they own the new DVDs that the results look much better
directly viewed or when watching on an HD affiliate station. I look forward to seeing UC this weekend.

163. New Horizon - February 8, 2008

[The] TOS Purist – February 7, 2008:

There is a huge difference between the CBS ‘restoration’ project…and JJ’s ‘new’ motion picture.

One project is restoring and replacing effects in a 40 year old program, trying to match the visual style while still updating the effects.

The other project is set in the TOS time period, but is not tied to the visual style of any existing footage. TOS was a show filmed in the sixties. The costumes and sets and special effects were representative of what was possible at the time. What we saw on the screen was a ‘representation’ of the world the characters lived in…within reason, it will evolve to encompass what is possible with a larger budget and modern tools. Consider looking at it this way, the new film is essentially cleaning some dust and grease off of the old lenses from the sixties, so we can more clearly see what we couldn’t before. Maybe it’s a stretch of the imagination for some…but then so were plywood walls and Styrofoam rocks in the sixties for others.

164. Daoud - February 8, 2008

#141 White Castle’s a franchise operation, so it wasn’t the corporate that did that commercial: I think it was one of the major franchise operators. God only knows if those people are still around: but you could always check at your hometown White Castle store and see who owned them in that timeframe. I don’t recall it, so it might not have been a national campaign.

Memories of FASA:
Oh, it was good. And then they went and screwed the pooch, pissed off Paramount by coming out with the “The Next Generation Tech Manual” (NOT the Okuda one) and thus got their license unceremoniously yanked.

If they’d just stuck with the TOS-TAS-movie era, they might have retained their license, had THEIR sourcebooks become the references.

I’m rather convinced that Okuda’s purposely worked through the years to write over everything FASA ever put together.

Of course, a lot of FASA was based on previous works such as the Goldstein _Spaceflight Chronology_ and FJ’s work…. so at the same time Okuda and the staff killed most of that.

A lot of lost opportunity to really have an Expanded Universe. It’s one of things I look over at Star Wars fen and realize the advantage they have over us Trekkers.

165. wilder - February 8, 2008

I thought the Doomsday Machine was great. It was always my favorite episode of TOS. I had hoped that one of the other series would have a sequel to it or even maybe a movie since Spock gave a perfect segway for it at the end of the episode. The Ultimate Computer was my brother’s favorite and probably #2 for me. Can’t wait to see it. I am glad they left the ships as they were.

Has anybody noticed that the CGI never looks as good as using real models? I think some shots of the Enterprise model in the original series look way better than the CGI shots in the remastered version. It just looks REAL. The shading and the lighting are not right in the remastered version. The upside is that they can use more shots and show more action when there is a battle like in Doomsday or Ultimate Computer.

166. Space Cowboy - February 8, 2008

Forgot to add Bob Justman’s name to the previous post.

Now it might be too much to ask for, but I’ve always wanted,since the advent
of contemporary CG to have Filmation’s crude efforts to be replaced by some thing more modern.

They have the voices and audio already stored, so something along the lines
of the Final Fantasy movies would be nice or it wouldn’t even have to
be photo-realistic….perhaps something the level of which could be equal
to the animated Saturday morning version of ‘Starship Troopers’ would be good enough, just to replace the crudeness of the Filmation ’70s
animation.

Am, I asking too much?
Plus they could cut cheques to go to the estates of the departed Trek
alumni as compensation for using the voices over again.
Am I asking too much? (repeated for emphasis).

167. AJ - February 8, 2008

159: Remember how close together they were in the original ep?

It was like 4 Enterprises on Hollywood squares.

168. JessIAm - February 8, 2008

#3 I also noticed the Lexington’s warp nacelle colors are different than the Enterprise.

169. Marian Ciobanu - February 8, 2008

Well I think that the TOS -REMASTERED crew should introduce another classes of STARFLEET ships..just for a good diversity…

170. Marian Ciobanu - February 8, 2008

All i can see in the photos is Enterprise..1,2.3 …ENTERPRISE1..,ENTERPRISE 2..ENTERPRISE 3…hmmm…

171. dan - February 8, 2008

Please, No Barrel Rolls!
Anyone else worried when Dave said “peel off”

172. dan - February 8, 2008

Can someone please explain to me why Enterprise and Antares looks like great photo-real CGI

and the bottom 2 pictures look like they are from a video game?

173. Alex Rosenzweig - February 8, 2008

#161 – “Hey Alex, glad to see you here, still in the blueprint business?”

Hi, there! Mike and I haven’t done much in a while on the tech side. My current project is an encyclopedia for the fictional ‘verse of the USS Avenger, sort of the ST Encyclopedia for our fanfic. And since we have twenty years of said fanfic, there’s a lot with which to fill such a document!

“In that regard I am a fan of FJ and hold to many of his designs, the ‘Ships of the Star Fleet’ books, yet I have a bone to pick with Micheal Okuda (and Naren Shankar for his bad episodes of TNG). However, his naming of the frigates Miranda class can be seen as a parallel universe 24th century designation of an inferior craft (hell so many broke apart during encounters with the Borg and Dominion).”

Well, since even the Mirandas would be pretty old at that point, it’s not too surprising that they might not be able to stand up to the pounding of the Borg and Dominion ships. OTOH, it’s not like most 2360s and 2370s ships did much better. ;)

“Therefore it should be noted that the Reliant is actually an Avenger class Frigate…borne out of the previous Surya class, with the Coventry class being my favourite TOS class frigate.”

Agreed re Reliant (which in no way conflicts with anything canonically established), and I like the Coventry-class, too.

“I like the new FX and no doubt as a previous poster who said they own the new DVDs that the results look much better directly viewed or when watching on an HD affiliate station. I look forward to seeing UC this weekend.”

Me, too! ‘Course as another old-line FJ fan, I’m trying to decide what to do with all those registry numbers. ;) ‘Course, if we move 1709 to the Lexington, 1703 to the Hood, and 1707 to the Valiant, and just ignore a 16XX registry for a Connie (which is just plain odd), leaving Excalibur as 1705, it could work well enough.

#163 – “A lot of lost opportunity to really have an Expanded Universe. It’s one of things I look over at Star Wars fen and realize the advantage they have over us Trekkers.”

Two big differences:
1) Some of the earliest Trek background material, like FJ’s work, was never actually licensed to Paramount, so some of the changes the Okudas et al. made were for legal reasons. Easy to say it was short-sighted of Paramount, but who in 1972-73 could have realized what Trek would become?
2) George Lucas was smart enough to realize that Star Wars could work as a true multi-media phenomenon, and cared enough to encourage his licensees to “cross-pollinate” their various projects with each other’s ideas. Paramount cared not a wit about such things, and sometimes actively discouraged such cross-pollination. Ironically, that helped undercut their own marketing of Trek as a whole. More’s the pity…

#168 – The single biggest disappointment for me in that respect was “Court-Martial”, when we had a chance to really see a starbase dockyard, and we just got another Constitution-class ship orbiting in the background. There probably wasn’t the budget to do much more, but even still…

As it is, I don’t think there’s that much opportunity left for adding new classes of ships to the Remastered episodes. Unless I’m misrecalling, there are relatively few episodes with other ships still to be dealt with. It may well be that the Antares and the station in “The Ultimate Computer” will be the main additions of new designs to the Trek pantheon.

(It might be nice to see something other than a kitbashed Tholian ship model for the Aurora in “The Way to Eden”, though. :) )

174. British Naval Dude - February 8, 2008

arrrr… let’s do an impressionistic re-mastering of Trek…
Use mimes to represent the ships and stations…
What you don’t see except in the mind’s eye is always better than what you do with yer own wee eyes… So Enterpoop can be a beauty and nothing any CGI can do could ever make her shine as she did in me head…

Wait… weren’t them mimes in Loki and Beele… and Fear?

arrrr….

175. Michael Hall - February 8, 2008

“Is Bob Justman a CGI expert/artist? Neither am I, but I can tell you what looks good and what doesn’t.”

And so can Bob Justman, since you don’t need to be a pastry chef to decide whether the chocolate cake is any good. True, his opinion on the quality of CBS-D’s work is no more meaningful or ‘correct’ than mine, or Sean4000’s, or Daren Dochterman’s. But since my posting was in response to a complaint that CBS-D was not being sufficiently respectful of the original work done on TOS, the opinion of one of the few surviving people who actually did the work is certainly more relevant.

176. Commodore Z - February 8, 2008

“Good” is a subjective term. What looks good to you might not look good to me. You can certainly tell me what you like, and your rationale might be enlightening to me, but you can’t tell me what looks good to me.

Bob Justman’s opinion carries a great deal of weight with me. If it looks good to him, I respect that opinion, even if I don’t agree with him. (And I do agree with him.)

177. Doug L. - February 8, 2008

re 160

I remember the white castle commercial too. they pulled up to it, like a drive in, ordered about 4,000 hamburgers, and then zipped away.

cracks me up man!

Doug L.

178. Andy Patterson - February 8, 2008

174

Here’s a a totally unrelated, irrelevant subject, but important to me…….
how do you post italicized letters like that? I’ve tried pasting them from other sources and it always straightens them out on this format. It’d be real helpful at times.

179. AGREED - February 8, 2008

#171 – THANK YOU.

I don’t understand the inconsistencies here either. The Enterprise and Antares do look photo realistic… and the other CGI FX shots look, well, far less than photo realistic.

Makes me wonder what Eden FX would have done if they had the special effects contract…

180. Michael Hall - February 8, 2008

Andy,

Since the HTML tags I use to italicize effectively “vanish” when the message is posted, I’m not sure how to go about explaining how I do it. :-(

Anyone smarter than me have any suggestions?

181. Sean4000 - February 8, 2008

The above was simply pre visualization. I have to reiterate Anthony’s warning label as to not confuse anyone.

182. Inge - February 8, 2008

http://www.trekmania.net/art/mirandacomp1.jpg

How an “un-refit” USS Reliant would look!

183. Sean4000 - February 8, 2008

178 LOOK HERE!

http://trekmovie.com/2006/09/08/more-images-from-edenfx/

Opinions vary.

184. TomBot2008 - February 8, 2008

Whew! This thread wore me out!!! Anyway, I too, thought, a little visual variety, besides porthole and nacelle cap variations would have been nice. Heck, maybe even some flames or racing stripes… Okay, just kidding… But we al remember how even with the episode Wesely had that pimp captain’s chair, maybe Lexington could have had a little bling to it. :-P Seriously, I always thought there shouldn’t be too many variations of Starships cranked out by the Feds in TOS. Building 12 Constitution class ships was probably a hefty drain on resources, and several of those had to be replaced due to operator(hee, hee) error. I don’t get too upset over the inconsistencies, it’s the legacy of a human endeavor. I do hope these CGI shots look better on the screen this Sunday, because right now, like many have pointed out, the Enterprise with Antares looks like from a different production company altogether. ;-)
~Cheers~

185. Trekboi - February 8, 2008

wow Star Trek fans can be fickle!
i was so thrilled to see another type of star base in the episode and though i understand why they keept the four main ships constitution class my joy at the new space station soon changed to anoyance when i realised they added a star ship but used another constitution!
why would they do this when they could have given us one or two alternate designs!
numerous ships could have been in the traffic around the station- i love the remastered project- i have watched season one almost every week since the dec 6 release but i do think the okuda’s make excuses for such ball dropping.

it is exactly these opportunities to expand the Trek universe that is the point of the remastered effects- to do what the original team couldnt- build another type of station and put ships and various space traffic around the station.

186. Douglas Glenn - February 8, 2008

I haven’t read all the posts, so someone may have pointed this out. If so, I apologize for the redundancy.

Several people mentioned that they wished they could have seen a couple different starship classes represented in this show rather than having all four ships in the manuevers being Constitution-class.

I understand the reasons for not doing it, though I don’t personally think it would have harmed the dramatic aspects of the episode. But we have a space-station there. It would have been nice to see another class ship docked at it.

187. Douglas Glenn - February 8, 2008

By the way, having a new Woden, and new space station is very cool. Can’t wait to see this episode. This is the one I’ve especially wanted to see ever since I heard about the remastered episodes!

Thanks guys!

188. Sean4000 - February 8, 2008

This -R project will have 4 versions of t he E.

I think we’ll see a 4th version of the digital Enterprise for “The Cage” remastered.

189. Michael Hall - February 8, 2008

“Opinions vary.”

Well, my opinion is that the Eden shots look simply marvelous. . . as desktop wallpaper. Their 1701 can certainly be said to be more ‘photoreal’ than that of CBS-D, but the trade-off is that it looks considerably less like the original 11-foot model as it appeared in TOS. However well-considered their changes are, I don’t think it’s the place of a modern FX house to tinker so with the look of a 40 year-old icon.

Of course, as you youself indicated, YMMV.

190. Robert Simmons / A.K.A. Vice Rear Admiral Nerd (TOS Trek Purist / SFB Gamer Dude ) - February 8, 2008

Huh! A battle where we see 5 “Starship” Class TOS hulls involved. You would think Starfleet would win, for trying avoid such a mess such as this. I’m having De’Ja Vu here. I wonder where else we can see such a spectacle happen in the TOS time frame?

………?

………?

I wonder and am curious what these effects shots would have looked like if Dennis Bailey did them. I VERY MUCH LIKE HIS WORK.

Oh…I like the Starship Exeter episode “The Tressarian Intersection” too.

Robert

191. Alex Rosenzweig - February 8, 2008

#184 – “i was so thrilled to see another type of star base in the episode and though i understand why they keept the four main ships constitution class my joy at the new space station soon changed to anoyance when i realised they added a star ship but used another constitution!”

I pretty much assumed that ship was the Lexington, since when the Enterprise gets to the station they’re promptly met by COMM Wesley. That makes sense to me as it is, actually.

192. Skippy 2k - February 8, 2008

#187. The “Cage” version of the ship has allready been seen in “The Menagerie”.

193. Enc - February 9, 2008

#183
iirc the proction rates were 4 ships per year. but not everyone agreed on what that ment. many things were said. was that only the connies. how fast did they build other ships. other ships very in size. how many yards and the does rate very from yard to yard and that kinda thing.

194. Clock - February 9, 2008

I don’t know if this is old news, but ‘Star Trek’ is now on at 6pm in NYC. I have been missing it for a couple of weeks and couldn’t figure it out. On WWOR (My 9). The startrek.com site still says 11pm.

195. Ian B - February 9, 2008

Michael, you can “print” a “<” sign by typing &lt; and a “>” sign by typing &gt;

196. Balock - February 9, 2008

say, I vaguely remember the Whitecastle commerical! Someone should put out an effort to see if that can be dug up for U-tube…

197. Windsor Bear - February 9, 2008

I saw the episode this afternoon. Effects looked good, but the syndication cuts were really bad. LOTS of dialog missing. One of the most glaring is where Kirk disengages the M5 computer, and the next scene shows Sulu saying the M5 is plotting the standard orbit for the planet. They completey cut out the dialog where Daystrom convinces Kirk to turn M5 back on. Also immediately noticeable as missing is where Sulu says “The Excalibur looks dead.” The dialog between Daystrom and M5 where Daystrom asks M5 “Do you know me?” is also missing. Other lines missing too. If you’re familiar with the full 51 minute version, this cut-up version leaves you feeling cheated.

198. Xindi1985 - February 9, 2008

Sounds bad! :(
Any cuts in the battle sequences?

199. Kirk's Girdle - February 9, 2008

Eh. Disappointed. With both the effects AND the edits. Seeing a lot of reused “stock” shots, and the action shots were not so spectacular.
Let’s finish the episode watching Kirk, Spock and McCoy discussing Kirk’s lucky gamble of lowering the shields…. which was cut for time.

Thank God the movie is coming out.

200. Kirk's Girdle - February 9, 2008

The Enterprise even has a nice shade of blue in that Charlie X pic.

201. Xindi1985 - February 9, 2008

How looks the “dead” Excalibur?

202. Will - February 9, 2008

#196: agreed.
All of the remastered episodes have been butchered for the syndication cuts, but this one seemed particularly clumsy.

203. Xindi1985 - February 9, 2008

Any damage on the Excalibur (hull-breaches like the Constellation)?

204. Joe Coatar - February 9, 2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToLrAz2TV9A

vfx reel for the ultimate computer

205. OR Coast Trekkie - February 9, 2008

182 – Thanks for the repost to the like for EdenFX. I really REALLY wish that CBS had decided to contract the fx work out… but, as we must remember, fx work was never part of the original intent.

Perhpas one day, we’ll get a project where the fx ARE the focus… perhaps, one day…

And just remember, all this:

TREKMOVIE.COM: In the scenes showing the four ships, did you consider using different ship types instead of just using Constitution-class ships?
DAVE: We sure did. This was the only time in the entire series that we saw anything like fleet maneuvers, and our first thought was to use this episode to show that there’s more to Starfleet than just the Enterprise.
DENISE: We talked about this at length. Mike and Dave were excited about coming up with new ships, but eventually we all decided that it was best to honor the expectations of fans who had grown up seeing four Constitution-class ships.
MIKE: One of the ideas we considered was to have a Reliant-type configuration for a couple of the guest ships. The problem with a smaller ship is that you don’t want the sense that the Enterprise is more powerful, because that would hurt the drama of the story. Ultimately, keeping all four ships the same emphasizes that the only variable is that the Enterprise is piloted by the M5 computer.
DENISE: We did make some really, really subtle changes in the other ships. At least, they were really subtle to me. I’m sure some fans will pick up on them…

means, “it would have taken more time and money to design another ship.”

And Mike has the wrong idea about the drama of the story: the drama is the mutual danger in that the Enterprise is out of control and going after her friends, and that other folks know something is wrong, and have to stop the Enterprise, putting it in danger. None of us want to see the Enterprise going after other ships. So I can’t but the “drama” reason as a viable excuse.

206. JNG - February 9, 2008

Re: #70

“Remember that should a phaser weapon actually be invented, you wouldn’t be able to see the “beam”. All you’d see is the impact zone.”

How can you know this to be true when the principle by which phasers would work also has yet to be discovered?

On the other hand, if we accept the suggestion made in the TNG Technical Manual, phaser beams seem to consist of a plasma; if this is true, they ought to be visible.

207. Space Cowboy - February 10, 2008

172. alex said:

Hi, there! Mike and I haven’t done much in a while on the tech side. My current project is an encyclopedia for the fictional ‘verse of the USS Avenger, sort of the ST Encyclopedia for our fanfic. And since we have twenty years of said fanfic, there’s a lot with which to fill such a document!

I’d be looking forward to it.

196….I agree, glad someone else remembers the full episodes….
I thought I was alone in that(plus blowing my money in the ’80s
& early ’90s on the 12 inch LDs).

208. Space Cowboy - February 10, 2008

Though now that they drew on the TAS episodes for ships….
doesn’t that validate TAS as ‘canon’ now?

209. Andrew - February 10, 2008

Windsor Bear, I agree with your sentiment in comment 197. The version I saw cut one of the most important scenes from the end, when Scotty tells Kirk he has power for shields but not communications and Kirk orders that the shields be left down. Kirk’s “I gambled on Bob Wesley’s compassion” soliloquy at the end — WHICH IS THE FREAKING POINT OF THE EPISODE — doesn’t make sense without this scene.

Also, in the original, after Wesley calls off the attack, we see the Lexington do a close fly-by of the Enterprise (from either the Lexington’s on the Enterprise’s main viewscreen; I can’t remember which). Instead, in the version I saw, we only got a rather static shot of the “dead” Enterprise, that looked suspiciously like the view of the Defiant we saw in the original Tholian Web, after the attack was called off.

210. bob - July 25, 2011

…in the late 1960’s they went down to the corner drug store in LA and bought a few enterprise models. it was way cheaper and faster than trying to construct more ships for the seuence. they all have variations of the “1701”. it has to stay that way. so really they are cheap copies of what the studio furnished the toy company to produce the models. somewhere people have these things sitting around their houses, or garages.

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