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Preview Images of “Cloud Minders” Remastered July 10, 2008

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: TOS-R Preview , trackback

This weekend the remastered Star Trek episode "Cloud Minders" airs and CBS has sent over a couple of shots, including a matte of the new Stratos City and an exclusive shot of a very bad day for one of the Troglytes.

see images below

 

The highlights of the remastered version of "The Cloud Minders" are all-new visual effects of the cloud city, Stratos, created by CBS Digital. The new matte painting of Stratos by Max Gabl is based on a digital model by visual effects supervisor Niel Wray, which in turn is based on the original design of the cloud city by series art director Walter M. Jefferies. The original episode had a number of establishing shots of the city, which were all pretty much the same. For the Remastered version we are going to see multiple angles of Stratos. CBS has been kind enough to send over one of these new shots.

Image 1: “Stratos 2"
If you look REALLY closely, you might notice a tiny light blue smudge, above and to the left of the center of the image. That’s the beautiful Droxine, standing on her balcony. She’s just a couple of pixels high in this photo.


Remastered (click to enlarge)


Original

Exclusive Image: “Falling"
The second image (of the ‘unfortunate’ Troglyte who didn’t have the right paperwork) gives a closer look at the planetscape below Stratos City, which is based on the same photograph used by Cinema Research Corp in creating the episode’s original visual effects in 1969. That photograph was taken by astronauts on the Gemini IV orbital mission in 1965 and shows the Hadramawt Plateau dry river basin in southern Saudi Arabia. For the remastered effect, Dwayne A. Day of the National Research Council and John Hargenreder of the NASA History Office combed through NASA archives at NASA Headquarters in Washington D.C. to find the original photograph for the remastered visual effects team. (The distant mountains on the horizon are based on a different photo, taken by astronauts on the International Space Station.)


Remastered (click to enlarge)


Original

The Remastered "The Cloud Minders" airs this weekend in syndication, check local listings. See ST.com for a list of stations

Comments

1. Tim Handrahan - July 10, 2008

Stratos looks amazing!

2. Rhett Coates - July 10, 2008

WOW, nice! I would like to think that the beauty of that “city in the sky” would have been the same image – or VERY close to it – used by sfx creators for that proposed 5th Season episode of ST:ENT where the NX-01 crew was slated to visit that world, and where we were to see how the class division was starting (as seen in this story, with those Stratos City dwellers vs. the Troglites living in the caves on the planet below). Nice work, CBS Digital! Nice work!

3. Brian - July 10, 2008

Like the remastered Stratos.

4. mattniss - July 10, 2008

Always was a fan of “The Cloud Minders” – the new images look fantastic!!

5. Wick - July 10, 2008

I am the first to claim to be the first.

6. drlondon - July 10, 2008

Kiiiiiiick Azzzzzzzzzzhhhhhhh! Nice work indeedy.

7. BrF - July 10, 2008

Great work. The city looks a little unreal, still — but in an appropriate and appealing way. I like it. And combing through those NASA photos — that’s dedication!

8. Marvin the Martian - July 10, 2008

Hi, Anthony–

Does CBS-D not like you? Ain’t-it-Cool-News always scoops you on preview images, from several hours to even days, when your site is the one giving much better coverage of the remastered effort.

Just wondering why that is. Although you did receive an additional image that AICN did not.

9. Marvin the Martian - July 10, 2008

About the new version of Stratos… I like it a lot. Can’t wait to see the angle of the city in the sky from the perspective of the ground.

10. EHH - July 10, 2008

So this is what we would have seen on the 5th season of Enterprise.

11. Magic_Al - July 10, 2008

I love that they kept the design of the city the same even though it was so tiny in the original.

I wonder how they handle the ground angle of the city. Sitting on a cloud is kind of goofy.

12. Anthony Pascale - July 10, 2008

Marvin

Not sure what you are talking about. CBS usually send out images to only two sites, AICN and TM. And we often get exclusives. If they get it a couple hours earlier I don’t care, also bear in mind that time lag for some maybe logistics….AICN is a bigger operation and may be able to get it out earlier.

In this case I think they had one image up a couple hours before we had two images up. I would rather have two images than one.

I have been very happy with the access CBS has given this site for interviews, images and info on Trek Remastered, and I know they are thankful for all the promotion.

13. Jordan - July 10, 2008

Looks absolutely amazing! I’m actually looking forward to this one, if only for the visuals.

14. HunterRex - July 10, 2008

I’ve been waiting for this episode all season to see the new visual effects. This matte shows that this episode was worth the wait.

15. capt mike - July 10, 2008

The shots look incredable and i like it a lot. This was a great show all around. Seeing kirk act crazy due to the gas and of corse being with the hot alien babe. Anthony you are the best and no matter if a site gets a pic earlier this is the one ill always come to. Thank you.

16. Rainbucket - July 10, 2008

I was looking forward to this remaster, and I’m blown away. The new Stratos is fantastic.

If you examine the original Stratos model you can see they reproduced its shape very closely in the remastered version. That’s amazing dedication.

17. MORN SPEAKS - July 10, 2008

Very Cool!

18. Beam Me Up - July 10, 2008

Does Lando live there?

19. Jeffrey S. Nelson - July 10, 2008

Nice job all around.
Bungee jumping would be fun from Stratos.

20. Buckaroohawk - July 10, 2008

Now THAT’S what I’m talkin’ ’bout! Despite the fact that I’ve been less than thrilled with the work CBS-D has been doing overall lately, I’ve been holding out hope that “The Cloud Minders” would not disappoint. These images bear out that hope. It’s wonderful to see Stratos so beautifully realized.

I’ve got my fingers crossed that the sky-diving troglyte flails his arms and legs a bit as he plummets. The original FX are just so Wyle E. Coyote.

Thanks for posting these images, Anthony. They made my day.

21. Scott - July 10, 2008

The mattes in these Remastered eps have been stunning. Amazing. Stellar.

The project was worth it, if only for the new mattes — and I was always a big fan of the original matte paintings in Trek (still am).

Scott B. out.

22. Marvin the Martian - July 10, 2008

Thanks, Anthony, for your response, and all the good work you do with this site. Just don’t want to see TM get the short end of the stick. :-)

23. Vulcan927 - July 10, 2008

beautiful, beautiful, beautiful….thanx for sharing and wetting my appetite

24. Marvin the Martian - July 10, 2008

Ever since I saw this episode as a kid, I always wanted to live in that cloud city. With this new matte, I *really* want to live there now.

Probably like living inside the Marin County Civic Center.

25. sean - July 10, 2008

Now THAT is how you do a remaster!

26. AJ - July 10, 2008

Ah…that from which Bespin was stolen. George.

27. CmdrR - July 10, 2008

Nicely done. Mattes and moving citiscapes are a real strength for CBS-D.
Now, if they could just remaster Droxine’s vaccuous personality. She’s the Cloud Mind in The Cloud Minders.

28. trekboi - July 10, 2008

looks great- one of the episodes long waited for.

29. Andy Patterson - July 10, 2008

Cool! I’ve been waiting for this one. The concept of the floating city in the sky was always very intriguing to me. That was scifi at it’s best.

30. CmdrR - July 10, 2008

Interesting that the pic of falling down guy is of Saudi Arabia. Talk about a divided society!

31. Matt Wright - July 10, 2008

Nice work TOS-R team!

32. Andy Patterson - July 10, 2008

Love that Droxine too. I dig skinny, afluent, erudite, snobbish, hippie chicks.

33. THX-1138 The Fandom Menace - July 10, 2008

That is a beautiful matte! Can’t wait to see this.

34. Sean4000 - July 10, 2008

Max Gabl to the MAX!!!!!!!!!!!!

Best one yet. Sad it is at the end.

35. Sean4000 - July 10, 2008

“”Nicely done. Mattes and moving cityscape are a real strength for CBS-D.”"

They are THE strength for TOS-R.

Max told me he is in charge of all of the mattes and cityscapes and his work is beautiful. He’s on a loaded-to-the-hilt Macintosh system for his work.

36. AJ - July 10, 2008

CmdrR.

I’ll take vacuous anyday, if it looks like Droxine.

Her name kind of sounds like a prescription drug:

“Droxine does have reported side-effects, including explosive diarrhea, unexpected and violent flatulence, dry skin, nausea, vomiting, Turret’s Syndrome and spontaneous combustion. Please ask your doctor if you are healthy enough to have sex when you have an erection lasting more than four days.”

37. AJ - July 10, 2008

The city looks extremely cool.

38. Spocko - July 10, 2008

Wow, that city actually looks like a beautiful place to live.

39. OneBuckFilms - July 10, 2008

Nice new shots. Well done, CBS-D !!!

40. The A-man - July 10, 2008

THIS IS A DISASTER! WHY CAN’T THEY KEEP THE UGLY ORIGINAL MATTE PAINTING!

41. Beam Me Up - July 10, 2008

That episode has the hottest Trek babe.

42. Sean4000 - July 10, 2008

40, LOL. That’s funny.

This is the type of work that I look forward to. The mattes have never disappointed me ever. It’s funny how we could have such awesome and complex mattes yet we still have James R. Kirk tombstones, and Earth spinning backwards.

43. Xplodin' Nacelle - July 10, 2008

Wow! I’m blown away. This really makes me wish that Manny Coto had gotten to do a 5th season of ENT. I wonder if he gave Rossi/Okuda any input on this one?

Where is the blue smudge (Droxine)? I can’t see her. Help!

44. Sean4000 - July 10, 2008

I couldn’t find that either.

45. DJT - July 10, 2008

SWEET!

46. ster j - July 10, 2008

27. “Now, if they could just remaster Droxine’s vaccuous personality. She’s the Cloud Mind in The Cloud Minders.”

Now that’s laugh-out-loud funny fer shure!

This is the one where Spock’s voice is so low he sounds like he’s purring. Acting stupid, but purring. I think he got a whiff of that Xenite gas or Droxine’s perfume and started spouting pon farr secrets willy nilly. I this this ep is an example of where the story takes a back seat to the visual. A gorgeous ep, but lousy dialogue, IMHO.

47. Trekmike - July 10, 2008

18, 26
Funny, I never made the connection between the Cloud City in Star Trek and the one in Star Wars. The architecture of Stratos looks a bit Art Deco like the architecture created for Bespin as well. Cheers

48. CmdrR - July 10, 2008

Isn’t there another one of those awkward reversed shots of Kirk near the beginning of this ep? At the top of the first segment, while he’s still in Vanna’s whip.

Wait. That’s just fun to say. Vanna’s whip. Yeaaaahhh.

OK, I’m back.

My other thought on this one is that it’s the episode that has Jeff Corey, as Plasus. When, I was a kid, I couldn’t remember either name if you put a phaser to my head. But, whenever I saw True Grit, I recognized Kim “Miri” Darbey and Jeff Corey. I could never remember his name in True Grit either (it’s Tom Cheney) mostly because the names they seem to repeat the most is Ned Pepper (Robert “How many great movies do I have to be in before that jerk CmdrR remembers my name?’ Duvall.) Anyway, True Grit has two prominent Trek alums.

Another movie with two prominent Trek alums is “Cool Hand Luke.”
I’m sure the geeks out there can name one right off…

49. TomBot2008 - July 10, 2008

Is that one of Gumby’s friends falling to his death? It’s been awhile since I’ve seen this episode, barely recall it, except that it did inspire the imagination beyond planet of the week. Just out of curiousity though, didn’t Flash Gordon have floating cloud city’s first? And where the hell are our floating cities today? ;-) Just kidding.

50. Sean4000 - July 10, 2008

“”"Is that one of Gumby’s friends falling to his death?”"”

LMAO! good one.

51. CmdrR - July 10, 2008

Pokey weeps.

52. Trekmike - July 10, 2008

Don’t worry. He’d just bounce.

53. AJ - July 10, 2008

It’s a new Mastercard commercial with Mr. Bill.

Oh Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

And it just keeps on going because he’s like 60,000 feet above the surface.

Seriously, the economics of a cloud city are ridiculous.

54. T Negative - July 10, 2008

This new rendering looks as real as anything I have ever seen in any movie, or TV show ever. Great Job!!

This new image almost makes it appear that Stratos could actually exist. Fantastic.

55. CmdrR - July 10, 2008

AJ — “Seriously, the economics of a cloud city are ridiculous.”

They save a fortune on infrastructure. No landfills. No sewerage. Oh by the way — that charming Tudor that seems like such a steal? It’s located right below Plasus’ quarters. Ya wanna be outta the house on Frijola Fridays.

56. AJ - July 10, 2008

C’mom, CmdrR.

I mean, WTF. Do they have friggin’ rockets keeping it up there? Or maybe some sexy magnets. All I know is that when they dump their sewage, it’s academic. Droxine’s poop can fly!

BTW, I was looking at an upper-level duplex. There’s a Pizza Hut nearby, and a reasonable Chinese place that delivers.

57. SciFiMetalGirl - July 10, 2008

I think that this should help out this episode immensely! This should help elevate this episode to a higher rating than it ever had before! WTG!

58. Buckaroohawk - July 10, 2008

To those playing “Where’s Droxine?” in the above photo:

Look at the cylindrical building in the center of the photo. It appears to have a small walking park or herbarium on the roof. Now look up and slightly to the left (just about 10 o’clock). You’ll see a small rounded outcropping on the rectangular building next to the cylindrical one. The outcropping is just above a louvered or ribbed section of the building. Droxine is standing in the shaded alcove of that outcropping. I’m betting that’s the alcove where the troglyte does his impersonation of Icarus and where Kirk and Spock beam out at the end of the episode.

Speaking of that troglyte again…I guess that building is on the very edge of the floating city, since he fell all the way to the surface of the planet. Otherwise he’d have landed somewhere in the city. I wonder if CBS-D has taken that into account?

59. Commodore Redshirt - July 10, 2008

I always liked this episode. One of season 3′s better efforts.
Nice new view of Stratos. Good job CBSD

60. Gorn Captain - July 10, 2008

It’s too bad NASA couldn’t have given them access to cleaner stock footage of the Saturn V launch for “Assignment Earth” while they were at it.

61. Sean4000 - July 10, 2008

Gorn, yeah I know, that would be icing on the cake. Plus all of that footage was probably cleaned for “When We Left Earth” But a Gabl rocket matte would have been even cooler.

But “Assignment Earth” has another “problem” that is need of attention. If you get my spin.

62. Iowagirl - July 11, 2008

7, 29

Exactly.

63. S. John Ross - July 11, 2008

Very beautiful; bravo. I love it when they preserve the original design and build on that, rather than tossing things into the scrap-heap and starting from blank slates. This is just gorgeous.

64. the king in shreds and tatters - July 11, 2008

You know what? I think they bring their best game to the episodes that really challenge them to flex their creativity. It’s not surprising that the episodes that are just planet, zoom, beam-out are the ones that get the short shift.

65. Mark Lynch - July 11, 2008

Wonderful image, really brings the city to life.

A fantastic interpretation of what always seemed to me to be a cheap looking plastic kit on top of a lump of cotton wool.

And that was what I thought when I was a kid seeing it for the first time.

66. Uncle Rogi @ Denali - July 11, 2008

I’m new to this remastered stuff and I like what I see.
IZBOT kindly informed me (a couple of days ago-thanks again mate!) that Denise and Mike Okuda have had a lot of input in the remastereds.
What else have they got planned?

Oh yeah, one other thing.
What exactly does “canon” mean? I’ve heard it bandied around quite a bit and am still not quite sure what it actually refers to. Its used quite a bit in discussions regarding the new movie.
I’m thinking that it refers to the linear order of the Trek universe and keeping all things relative to each other.
I’m not sure.
Come on people, give a gormless Brit a clue!

Just watched my first remastered a couple of days ago-”Where No One Has Gone Before”. Absolutely superb! A bloody good job!

67. Sean4000 - July 11, 2008

Good job on that tombstone? LOL. hehe

68. Sean4000 - July 11, 2008

What do the Okuda’s do besides this stuff? Doesn’t Mike work for NASA still?

69. Nuallain - July 11, 2008

#66. ‘Canon’ means, literally, ‘book’ or ‘of the book’ AIUI. It was originally coined by the Catholic Church early in it’s history when they were compiling the New Testament. There were many more versions of the Gospel than just four and countless letters and books that were considered part of the Bible by some people and not by others.

So the Church had a council where they set up a set of criteria for what made something ‘canon’ (ie valid for inclusion in the official New Testament) or ‘apocryphal’ (ie not ‘real’ or valid as part of the ‘true’ story of Christ and his Apostles).

The term canon began to be applied to fictional universes with the popularity of the character of Sherlock Holmes. Arthur Conan Doyle wrote many Holmes stories, but over the years many other tales have been written by various other authors. Holmes scholars began referring to ‘canon’ as meaning a Holmes story written by Doyle himself.

Another major evolution of the term came with HP Lovecraft’s Cthulhu Mythos. Lovecraft wrote many horror tales and others, both contemporaries and afterward, wrote tales set in the same universe as homages to him. Lovecraft was aware of many of these and exchanged letters comparing ideas on stories. So, to Lovecraft fans, ‘canon’ came to mean, if you like ‘stories either by Lovecraft or by other authors for which there is evidence Lovecraft was aware and approving of them’. Naturally something that actually contradicted something else already established as part of the canon got rather low marks.

Which brings us to Star Trek. Canon is a volatile and tricky subject for Trek since there is no one universal creator to clearly define things. We can’t simply say ‘any story Gene Roddenberry personally wrote or worked on is canon’, or even ‘any story Gene Roddenberry worked on and/or approved of’ is canon. Trek exists as a living evolving thing in a way something like the Holmes books do not.

Really, the modern use of canon is an expression of a desire to pin down what ‘really’ happened and what didn’t. In that way, it’s just another way of saying ‘continuity’. What did the Cloud Minders’ city *really* look like? The CBS version or the original? Etc Etc

70. neonknights - July 11, 2008

Actually Roddenberry considered TAS and Star Trek V non-canon.

71. Commodore Redshirt - July 11, 2008

RE: 70. neonknights
” Actually Roddenberry considered TAS and Star Trek V non-canon.”

I had heard Gene R was quoted as saying that TAS was NOT canon, but I’ve never heard that about Trek V. Was that said at a Q&A during a con? … or is it in an interview? … or is it legend?
If it is in print someplace, please point me to the source. I’d like to read it.
I’m on the record as not liking Trek V very much, so much so that I’d rather watch SPOCK’S BRAIN instead.
[..and Gene should have included that stinker on his "Not Canon" list...]

i kind of think TAS might be canon… well at least some of it.

72. Gep Malakai - July 11, 2008

In regards to the new Stratos image: HOLY. CRAP.

That is all.

73. nitpicker - July 11, 2008

The new matte is beautify, but where are the windows on those buildings? It looks like most of the surface of those buildings is solid rock or concrete. Doesn’t anyone think that would make the interior dark and gloomy like a cave? I suppose you could have LCD panels mounted on the walls to take the place of windows, but is seems like a waste since you would already have a nice view with a window. I’m just saying….

74. star trackie - July 11, 2008

#70 “Actually Roddenberry considered TAS and Star Trek V non-canon.”

Well, I consider Roddenberry’s TNG and TMP non-canon, so we’re even. lol

And as far as the new cloud city, I think it looks great. Darn shame there weren’t any night scenes, that city would look even more spectacular lit up.

75. FlyingTigress - July 11, 2008

#58

I don’t see her, but I do see Louis Wu, Speaker-to-Animals, and Nessus on their fly-cycles below the flying city.

76. Holger - July 11, 2008

Amazing episode, amazing dress on Droxene, amazing remaster of Cloud City. A late series jewel.

77. diabolik - July 11, 2008

The original model on cotton looked more real.

Yeah. I wonder if we will see any flying vehicles in the shots? Or people moving around?

Looks good.

78. The Underpants Monster - July 11, 2008

#71 – They’re probably made of some material that appears opaque on one side, but is actually transparent from the other – kind of like a one-way mirror.

How cool is it that they based the new matte on the old one!

This is one of my sentimental favorite eps, too. Kirk is at his space-studliest, and I can;t get enough of Droxine’s costume. It looks like pleated and draped water. I love the homage to the Eloi/Morlock element of The Time Machine.

79. anti-AJ - July 11, 2008

@26 Ah. . .Star Wars Special Editions, to which CBS-R owes its entire conception. Gene.

80. Bryan with Pointy Nacelles and a large Dish - July 11, 2008

Droxene…definetly one of the hottest girls to grace Star Trek. She is the only thing worth watching in this one. Her portrayed father was a terrific actor who could really chew up the scenery.
In the 3rd seasons bloopers, Nimoy sticks his finger in Droxene’s belly-button as she nods YES…..Oh YES…..
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Whew I need a cigarette.

81. Stan Wingson - July 11, 2008

Dang- why is it that the matte paintings look so awesome next to the just OK space shots from CBS-D….

82. Kobayashi_Maru - July 11, 2008

wow..I’ve never seen this original episode and WOW that original picture of that cloud is horrible.

83. Ethan Shuster - July 11, 2008

People hinting that Lucas got the Cloud City idea from this episode. Maybe so, but I always thought Cloud City looked more like one of the buildings on The Jetsons. :)

84. Katie G. - July 11, 2008

Don’t forget that Lucas updated his “Cloud City” as well.

Interesting thought. Wonder who borrowed from who? (Or is it “whom”?)

Love the concept of a cloud city, no matter how corny it is. Being on top of the clouds means avoiding the nasty weather maybe?

kg

85. They call me Stasiu - July 11, 2008

The digital team did a great job of matching the new city’s architecture to the old effect. Too cool!

86. DJ Koloth - July 11, 2008

Very nice! I like the mirror effect on the windows.

87. Mike - July 11, 2008

That is the lamest floating city I’ve ever seen.

88. AJ - July 11, 2008

79:

You are entitled to whatever opinion you may have about anything in existence. But please don’t mess with my handle, “AJ” by putting “anti-” in front of it.

Debate the issue like a normal person.

Cloud Minders (1969): Cloud city in the sky above a planet where mining is the chief economic driver. Sky is really orangey.

The Empire Strikes Back (1980): Cloud city in the sky above a planet where mining is the chief economic driver. Sky is really orangey.

89. Closettrekker - July 11, 2008

#79—I remember seeing “Empire” (my favorite of the SW movies) for the first time in the theater and thinking that, clearly, it was inspired by Star Trek. Maybe Lucas never saw “Cloud Minders”. I don’t know. Perhaps it is just coincidence, but TOS played with the same concept about 11 years before, in any case.

It’s not a slap-in-the-face to Lucas by any means, as many great things have drawn inspiration from something else which came before. Even the concept of Star Trek was inspired by other stories.

Star Wars films also used the warp drive concept (calling it “hyperdrive”), mentioned briefly the existence of “cloaking devices”, as well as reusing the concept of a “city in the clouds”.

Conversely, the entire concept of a Star Trek movie in the late 70′s was due to the success of Star Wars, and as you mentioned, perhaps the whole idea of remastering the scenery in TOS episodes was drawn from Lucas’ “special edition” re-editing, etc.

Seriously though, Anti-AJ? Isn’t that a bit childish?

90. Buckaroohawk - July 11, 2008

Nitpicker (#73). RE: “The new matte is beautify, but where are the windows on those buildings?”

There are windows all over the buildings in that image. The bands just under the walking gardens on the cylindrical buildings are windows. The midsection of the tallest building is almost entirely reflective glass-like material, suggesting they are windows. You can see the reflections of other buildings in them.

The thing is, in that shot the key light, or “sun”, is almost directly overhead, so the windows aren’t reflecting any direct sunlight, only the surrounding scenery. Since the whole scene is bathed in that strange orange light from the sky, the windows aren’t quite as noticeable. They are there, however.

91. Lord Garth, Formerly of Izar - July 11, 2008

Beautiful !! If there has been one or two resounding successes out of the remastered project it has certainly been the gorgeous Matte’s (especially when integrated into live action!! and the beautiful vibrant prints. If only the space effects had 20% of the consistancy and beauty what a project it could have been…. sigh

92. sean - July 11, 2008

I always liked some of the ideas in this episode, though they weren’t really taken anywhere. I was forced to wonder if the Federation ever did ANY background checking on its trading partners, given that Droxine and other residents of Stratos didn’t seem to think the slavery was wrong and likely weren’t going to any great length to stop it. And why did Kirk expect Plasus to uphold his end of the bargain and not just go right back to how things were after the Enterprise left? I can understand why David Gerrold and Leonard Nimoy disowned the episode, considering that it turns Spock into a lovesick idiot that will suddenly openly discuss Pon Farr in an effort to chat up girls.

93. Closettrekker - July 11, 2008

#92—”I can understand why David Gerrold and Leonard Nimoy disowned the episode, considering that it turns Spock into a lovesick idiot that will suddenly openly discuss Pon Farr in an effort to chat up girls.”

I guess I never had a problem with it. The single most important factor in making Spock such a wonderfully complex character was his internal struggle with his half-human heritage. “Vulcans do not do this, and Vulcans do not do that”, always seemed to me an all-too human defense mechanism.
We often saw him momentarily drop his guard in intimate moments with McCoy and Kirk. This time it was just an attractive blonde…

“I was forced to wonder if the Federation ever did ANY background checking on its trading partners, given that Droxine and other residents of Stratos didn’t seem to think the slavery was wrong and likely weren’t going to any great length to stop it. And why did Kirk expect Plasus to uphold his end of the bargain and not just go right back to how things were after the Enterprise left?”

Interestingly enough, the Federation apparently isn’t any more “evolved” in the area of ethical trading policies with regard to human rights than the Western nations of today are. It is all about compromising integrity when the demand is great enough. That is definitely not something I thought about as a child watching this episode, but seeing it as an adult, I had the same questions…

94. British Naval Dude - July 11, 2008

Here’s me listy o’ rejected locales fur constructing a large urban center; all equally as dangerous and as ambituous (arrr…implausible or just bad idears in general) as a city in tha’ clouds just “hanging out”:

Lava City
Buried City
Domeless Undersea City
Glass City
Sewer City
New Jack City
Hoboken, NJ
and
City on the Edge o’ Forever (give me a push. mate- I be in forever then!- oh good ep, o’ course.)

Cloud City be an excellant conceit tho’… and works well fur dis air episode aboot snobbery and unintentional ‘roid rage… arrrrr…

“Hey, Droxene- I was buryin’ “things” in me basement and all o’ sudden- poof!- it wuz just open air! I mean… arrrr we all inna unifed delusional state dat dis town can a’float onna water vapor? Methinks there’s some goofy gas floating up here as well, lass.”

But stil… dat’s a lovely pic from CBS-D. Arrrrrr…

Arrrrrrrr…
I kids cuz I loves…

95. The Underpants Monster - July 11, 2008

At least it wasn’t Clown City. That would have been horrible.

96. AJ - July 11, 2008

BND:

That’s your second reference to Hoboken this week. I used to live there. Not so bad, actually. Better to use Hackensack, or even Newark, when dissing Jersey.

97. Anthony Thompson - July 11, 2008

Far from realistic but obviously a huge improvement over the original shots.

98. THX-1138 The Fandom Menace - July 11, 2008

THIS JUST IN FROM THE CRACK STAFF AT THE COMEDY REFERENCE LIBRARY:

Hoboken sounds funnier. So does Clown City.

Conversely, Hackensack sounds a bit like that foot bag game the stoners play. And Newark sounds like they were trying to trick people into mistakenly visit there instead of New York, a ruse perhaps perpetrated by the New Jersey tourism board.

But New Jersey is a fine place. It’s the Garden State, you know.

99. Wes - July 11, 2008

How many more episodes need to be redone? When is the cage going to be on?

100. Closettrekker - July 11, 2008

#99—I think there is only two left, but I’m not sure “The Cage” (remastered) will be on television. It looks like you will only be able to see it if you purchase the remastered dvd set.

I don’t think that is official though.

101. sean - July 11, 2008

#93

I understand what you’re saying, and I agree the conflict was critical for the character, but there were plenty of times Spock could have broken the Vulcan wall for legit reasons, but a vapid blonde that probably rates as the worst Trek Babe™ ever? Sorry, but to me that signals that something is rotten on the planet Ardana. They were secretly dousing him with Zenite or something. You just don’t go from barely being able to discuss it with your Captain, your best friend in the galaxy – not even being able to discuss it with your doctor – to then using it as small talk with a girl you just met who thinks slavery is okay and might get confused using a phone book. It just never sat right with me.

102. Commodore Lurker - July 11, 2008

BND:
“Hoboken, NJ” — ROTFLMAO!

Sometimes I think you’re a Yank in a Limey closet.

Shot #1 holds up fantastically on 400% zoom.

Still wondering if the falling Trog is giving us the finger?

In an interview with the Federation Interspecies Exchange Program’s Special Bureau for Interspecies Copulation — Rites and Custom’s Subcommittee Hearing, Captain James T. Kirk stated on the record: “Those Troglyte girls clean-up real nice and are good for a wild time in the sonic shower. The Stratos girls are so stuck up, brainy, and prissy that they actually prefer wasting their time trying to seduce Vulcans who are off their Pon Farr cycle.”

103. Commodore Lurker - July 11, 2008

# 98 THX:
“But New Jersey is a fine place. It’s the Garden State, you know.”

My friend, you’ve obviously never been there.

104. THX-1138 The Fandom Menace - July 11, 2008

#103 THE Lurker

Nah, I’ve been near there. I read it on the license plates.

105. Spockanella - July 11, 2008

101: Yes. You nailed it exactly.

106. AJ - July 11, 2008

New Jersey is New York’s gateway to Delaware.

107. Closettrekker - July 11, 2008

#101—I certainly wouldn’t argue that she’s about as interesting as a trip to see the World’s largest ball of yarn (although no less so than Kirk’s love interest in “Requiem”), but I just chalk Spock’s candid conversation up to a weak human moment. And perhaps his own experience with Pon Farr in “Amok Time” caused him to call into question the reasoning behind Vulcan secrecy surrounding their mating process. It’s also not the first time he “broke the cycle” to seduce a female (although in “TEI”, it was admittedly for very different reasons).

Spock is my favorite character, and always has been. One of the reasons for that is that he was so often capable of being surprisingly human (in this case, perhaps even demeaning himself a bit just beacuse of a little baby-batter on the brain moment).

Then again, maybe he just read somewhere in the library computer that “what happens on Stratos, stays on Stratos”, and simply decided he wanted to know what it was like to be Jim Kirk for once. LOL.

In any case, this was certainly not the worst episode of the 3rd season, and definitely not the worst continuity gaffe in a TOS episode. But I understand completely why someone might have an issue with it. I just feel like with all the excuses made for such “gaffes” in TOS, this is one of the easier ones to explain away for me.

108. Craig - July 11, 2008

Keep an eye out for Lando Calrissian. I don’t trust him.

109. tronnei - July 11, 2008

I’ll be watching to see if Kirk is still a ventriloquist during the opening credits, where he shouts “What is the meaning of this attack?” without moving his lips.

Somehow I doubt CBS-D will fix it.

110. The Underpants Monster - July 11, 2008

It’s been a while since I’ve seen this one, but it was always my impression that Spock was playing Droxine, and not really falling for her. I could be wrong.

111. Izbot - July 11, 2008

84. Katie G. (and 89. Closettrekker)
“Don’t forget that Lucas updated his “Cloud City” as well.
Interesting thought. Wonder who borrowed from who? (Or is it “whom”?)”

More likely Lucas lifted the idea of Cloud City from the 1939 Flash Gordon serial than from Star Trek. In fact, there’s a scene early on in the series where Flash and Dale have to swing across on a rope when a “light bridge” doesn’t work — which Lucas re-used famously in Star Wars.

The basic story from “Cloud Minders” was itself lifted from an earlier source, in this case Fritz Lang’s silent epic “Metropolis”. And the ‘city in the clouds’ element was likely also inspired by Flash Gordon.

BTW, for those who haven’t seen those old Flash Gordon serials I highly recommend them. They are great on so many levels. And you can see just how accurate a job they did on VOY with the Captain Proton holodeck sequences of capturing the look and feel of those serials. Many of the props, ships and costumes were lifted almost unchanged from Flash Gordon, King of the Rocketmen and other 1930′s and 40′s serials. Plus you’ll be very surprised, I think, at just how many ideas and storylines Lucas took straight from these. They are also unintentionally hilarious. The overly dramatic music, cornball dialogue, ridiculous acting and the silly ‘special’ effects. Priceless.

PS, I know Jeff Corey was one of Nimoy’s acting teachers but I think he’s just awful in “Cloud Minders”. I’m just sayin’. The guy’s voice just grates on me.

66. Uncle Rogi
You’re welcome! Short answer to the “what is canon?” question: canon’s what is recognized as official history or fact in the Star Trek universe. General rule of thumb is, if it’s aired as an episode or movie it is canon. Novels are not considered canon. Neither are fan fiction including fan-made films. Roddenberry thought the animated series was not canon (and there’s a big debate over whether it is or isn’t). The Remastered series has opened a small can of worms over what is canon (the original effects or the new Remastered effects that sometimes have altered what was originally perceived as canon).

112. Izbot - July 11, 2008

Oh yeah, and VOY also did a sort of riff on “The Cloud Minders” (and “Metropolis”) in “Critical Care”, another spin on the haves vs. the have nots — complete with its own cloud city (or cloud hospital, really).

113. Closettrekker - July 11, 2008

#111—”More likely Lucas lifted the idea of Cloud City from the 1939 Flash Gordon serial than from Star Trek. ”

I certainly won’t discount that possibility, never having heard from Lucas where he inspiration for Cloud City came from, but to say that it’s “more likely” that he saw it in a 1939 serial as opposed to a sci-fi tv series a mere 11 years earlier than Bespin’s appearance in “Empire” might be a bit of a stretch, for obvious reasons. Then again, maybe Lucas likes 1939 serials. I don’t know.

As for the rope swinging scene in SW, I think Tarzan and Jane were doing something similar even earlier than that.

114. Izbot - July 11, 2008

113. Closettrekker

Lucas has been quite frank and honest about his love of serials (Indiana Jones was also based on adventure films and serials from the same period). He’s admitted that Star Wars was essentially an updating of the sci fi serials of his childhood but with a mytho-poetic twist. Star Wars is part Flash Gordon, part Greek and Roman mythology. It’s just surprising how much Flash Gordon actually ended up in Star Wars until you’ve actually viewed both. Lucas admits he was never really a Star Trek fan so I wouldn’t be surprised if he’d never seen “The Cloud Minders”. Just check out the Flash Gordon serials and judge for yourself.

And the Tarzan reference (also made popular in film during the 30s and 40s) was also intended. The guy really loved the 30s-40s film experience and shows up in both Star Wars and Indy (there are tips-of-the-hat to Busby-Berkley 30s musicals in Indy 2, Erol Flynn swashbuckling in the light saber duels, Han Solo is straight out of “High Noon” inthe cantina scene, etc). Not a bad thing, I think. I love all those sources myself!

115. THX-1138 The Fandom Menace - July 11, 2008

It’s a well known fact that George Lucas stole the idea for X-Wings from the alphabet. And the band in the cantina in A New Hope was inspired by the Beetles. Not the band but the actual bugs. I mean, just look at those frakkin’ eyes of their’s!

116. Katie G. - July 11, 2008

#111. Izbot

Thanks for the info. It’s been a while since I’ve seen any Flash (except of course as Captain Proton in Voyager).

Jeff Corey did a good acting job as Droxine’s father if he was supposed to be playing an EXTREMELY annoying man. I COULDN’T STAND HIM!!!! He really played the part well. I have since seen him in bit parts in older movies. I’m recognizing all kinds of people from Star Trek eps.

Regarding “Critical Care”, if you’re talking about the ep where the Doctor gets kidnapped and forced to work for a guy who played “Benny” in L.A. Law (I think that was his name), that was a chilling ep. I like how it was resolved though.

Can’t believe they had Ralph Malph (Don Most) in an episode. Wow. (The one where all the Voyager crewmembers except for Neelix and Commander Chakotay had their memories erased and thought they were looking for work.)

kg

117. Xplodin' Nacelle - July 11, 2008

Re: #58

Thanks for trying to help.

Unfortunately I still can’t see it. I see alot of smudges throughout the whole city that could be Droxine, but as small as the photo is I can’t be certain.

Can anybody please post a Hi Res screen cap of the correct area for me? Thanks in advance.

118. JamfoFL - July 11, 2008

Captain Terrell: Chekov, are you sure these are the right co-ordinates?

Chekov: Captain, this is New Jersey, the Garden State of the United States.

Captain Terrell: I can barely even see it…

First time I saw Ceti Alpha 5 on ST:TWOK, I thought they filmed it in Trenton.

119. Rich - July 11, 2008

“go to your music”

120. Ralph F - July 11, 2008

The “falling” shot caption should say, “No Ticket.”

121. COMMANDER KEEN - July 11, 2008

Does anyone know what Diana Ewing is doing these days? It appears she left acting in the mid 70′s. She was quite a sexy lady.

Great shot of Stratos! Another episode to look forward to

122. Izbot - July 11, 2008

117. Xplodin’ Nacelle

I can’t see anything either — even after enlarging it 400%. Had the same problem with the image of Memory Alpha CBS-D sent over in advance of “Lights of Zetar” seeing the new logo. Just some pixels. It is a little baffling that so many of the details in the newly remastered episodes are reduced to fly specks. Ships that appeared large on the viewscreen before are now tiny dots. I understand it’s HD and all but c’mon. Why design a new logo for Memory Alpha that can only be seen as a separate graphic the Okudas sent to TrekMovie.com? Same with the new design of the Aurora in “Way to Eden”. It appears as a little blob on the viewscreen where its original model was highly visable.

123. AJ - July 11, 2008

120:

Great “Last Crusade” reference. LOL.

124. Holo J - July 11, 2008

That’s a fantastic remastered shot! If only the entire remastered project was as good looking as the Stratos 2 image. I hope they continue adding and improving the visuals of all the episodes for an eventual new release for Blu-ray. (Well I am dreaming for now)

The Stratos 2 image is of a standard I had hoped the whole remastered project would have been. I really do hope they give it another go in the near future. I hope they learn from their mistakes this time. Fix the things they didn’t have time to do and pay more close attention to the smaller things as well big things… just being more ambitious in general.

But for now I’ll just enjoy looking at these great new shots.

125. Engon - July 11, 2008

Lucas wanted to do a theatrical version of “Flash Gordon” or “Buck Rogers,” but, unable to obtain the rights to Alex Raymond’s “Flash Gordon” (which were then controlled by Federico Fellini, of all people), he came up with “Star Wars.”

You can see his early interest in the material in “THX-1138″ which begins with a short clip from the 1940′s serial “Buck Rogers.”

126. Izbot - July 11, 2008

116. Katie G.

I was just laughing about seeing Donny Most on VOY a week ago when my wife was watching the entire series in order. BTW, Anson Williams who played Potsie Webber on Happy Days directed 4 eps of VOY and 2 of DS9!

And yeah, “Critical Care” is the ep with Benny from L.A. Law! It was a parable of the pathetic state of American HMOs but also borrowed heavily from “Metropolis” (the notion of rich folks enjoying all the best things while the plebs suffered — literally — down below).

You’re probably right that Jeff Corey does a fine job at making Plasus so unpleasant. He’s just so convincingly unlikeable I’ve never forgiven him.

127. Chris Pike - July 11, 2008

111 Yes spot on. The echoes of Fritz Lang here and through to Lucas aren’t exactly subtle but are nonetheless always welcome (MJ’s production design was clearly Art Deco influenced and brilliantly done, something I fear maybe lost to same extent on the new film)

Yet again CBSD score max points on the D matte painting work, as if the original version were magnified rather than recreated, as it should be.

128. planettom - July 11, 2008

This kind of looks like how I picture one of those floating cities on the Ringworld….

129. Viking - July 11, 2008

I have this looping scene in my head of that falling Troglyte screaming like the Travelocity gnome in the cliff-diving bit…….complete with exploding bird feathers. LMAO

130. Andy Patterson - July 11, 2008

116 “Jeff Corey did a good acting job as Droxine’s father if he was supposed to be playing an EXTREMELY annoying man.”

He was the sheriff Butch and Sundance came to when they were on the run. Or was that Alias Smith and Jones. Another good show.

131. Engon - July 11, 2008

For a floating city that predates “Star Wars,” “Star Trek,” “Flash Gordon” and even “Gulliver’s Travels” by more than 2,000 years, look up “Cloud Cuckoo-Land.”

132. Robert Bernardo - July 12, 2008

Andy Patterson wrote:

> He was the sheriff Butch and Sundance came to when they were on the
> run. Or was that Alias Smith and Jones. Another good show

And Jeff Corey was excellent as Justin in the Babylon 5 episode, “Z’ Ha’ Dum”.

133. planettom - July 12, 2008

“We have only our mortars and thongs to bargain with.”

Hey, as far as I’m concerned, Vanna can bargain with her thong any time she wants!

134. Chris Peterson - July 12, 2008

Number 75, lol! And to all, I’m at the national convention of the American Council of the Blind this week. Two nights ago I watched an audio described version of Empire Strikes Back. Hearing the describer keep saying “Luke pulls out his phaser”, over and over again made me want to drop the describer off the cloud city, possibly cutting off several lims first.

135. Bonaire765 - July 12, 2008

The matte is stunningly beautiful and on of the best yet.

The ship shots are worse than a video game. Sorry.

136. Holger - July 12, 2008

And if you think the Borg were pretty original, just have a look at the Daleks! (For the record: invented in 1961) ;-)
But seriously: When Isaac Asimov was asked about certain similarities between his Foundation series and Star Wars, he replied that in a genre like SF it was inevitable that certain ideas would show up repeatedly. And when he was then asked why he didn’t sue Lucas, he simply replied that he already had more money than he could spend.
Quite impressive, the stance of the Grandmaster, isn’t it?

137. Jamie - July 12, 2008

Stratos looks amazing.

This has to be the most improved shot of the whole remastering project (compared with the original).

138. starfall42 - July 12, 2008

I don’t have a place to host it, but I did spot what I presume is Droxine on the balcony closest to the camera on the rectangular building to the left of center. She’s literally just a blue pixel and a pink pixel (be sure to click on the above picture to enlarge it first).

139. Sean4000 - July 12, 2008

137: “Stratos looks amazing.”

Even THAT is an understatement!! :) It looked FREAKIN’ amazing!

There are just not enough adjectives to say how Stratos looked. lol.

135: “The ship shots are worse than a video game. Sorry.”

As always. Agreed.

140. Beam Me Up - July 12, 2008

They should really release a book of nice colorful images of the new scenes.

141. Commodore Wesley - July 13, 2008

#130: It was “Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. Just saw that scene on July 11. Great line: “You will die bloody!”

#133: Good one! Seriously, I wonder what the screenwriter was thinking of when he/she used the word “thongs” – their sandals, maybe?

142. Crewman Darnell - July 13, 2008

It’s interesting how so much of the original social commentary in TOS is still so relevant. Plasus’s indignant justification of torture had an eerily familiar ring to it.

“Is it preferable to spare Vanna and allow an entire planet to be destroyed?”

143. Holger - July 13, 2008

140: Yes, that’s a very good idea. Maybe Simon&Schuster will be so kind.

144. Rocky S. - July 13, 2008

Loads of cool comments in this preview thread…

Nice new visuals (excepting the barely-changed Troglodyte-leap). The old ones dragged a good episode down.

They tend to replace the most unconvincing effects, in this project. (Even the new beamdown mattes were for the two most unconvincing beamdown backgrounds).

Anyone notice the new Stratos shots double-exposed into Spock’s voice-over musings?

For a minute, I thought they’d had access to that scene’s pre-opticals negative.

Then I decided they’d reverse-engineered Old-Stratos out by using the existing shot of Stratos.

But, then I noticed they used a different shot of Droxine, and reversed the film a couple of times.

(If they wanted to make the new Droxine footage seamless, they could’ve made a sequence of morph shots, between reversals). (Something I’d hoped they’d do for the smoke, in Obsession, when the creature retreats back into the rock).

But no, they didn’t bother, here. (Probably not in Obsession, either. I don’t know, because I missed that episode, frak it).

The original shot of Droxine was unique to the Spock-soliliquy scene. The other shots were from the episode. She went through a variety of expressions. It may’ve been an alternate take, an unused portion of her-reactions-footage, or posed specifically for that scene.

—-

Babbling now:

BTW: by “reverse engineered”, I thought they’d overlayed the Old-Stratos shot in cancellation mode.

I’d earlier realized that it might be theoretically possible to salvage an awful lot of dissolves, that way. (With a properly keyframed fade-in. And I’m not saying it’d be easy, just worth a try).

Most 1st season dissolves, as well as the dissolve used at the end of The Cloud Minders, are with the same ol’ early-first-season
stock shot.

Unfortunatally, we can’t experiment, with that method, ourselves, because a) They wouldn’t give us access to their masters, obviously.
b) They don’t give us all the original effects, in HD, even as extras. (Growl).
c) The original DVDs are sandblasted with artifacts on every frame.
d) Laserdiscs are too low-rez and noisy.
e) Vhs is garbage.

145. Rocky S. - July 13, 2008

For “stock shot” read “stock shots”.

And for “unconvincing effects”, read non-space effects shots. :)

Occurs to me that notes about the broadcast version might not belong in the preview thread. My bad. :)

I wish we could edit these. :)

146. Fiz - July 13, 2008

Nice new Stratos CGI. And I’m glad they fixed the nitpick in the opening credits where Kirk says “Who are you? What is the meaning of this attack” and his mouth is closed.

One shot I’m disapointed with is that they didn’t add more detail on the Troglite who jumped from the city. I hoped they would have showed the guy with arms and legs flailing as he’s falling. It still looks like a flat cardboard image.

C’mon, guys. You can do better than that.

Fiz

147. Redjac - July 13, 2008

146 — I agree on the suicide Troglite! That would have been some simple character animation to just make him move a little…

But, overall CBS-D did a great job on this one.

148. Mr. Bob Dobalina - July 13, 2008

Aside from that annoying Droxine and Spock’s dopy little montage at the beginning, this is a pretty good episode. And the new work by CBS digital looks absolutely stunning. Well done!

149. toddk - July 13, 2008

just saw it last night in minnesota, the new images looked good, and no flailing arms guy falling from the city, it looked more like anakin skywalker from attack of the clones.

150. RD - July 13, 2008

To 141. Commodore Wesley -

Oh come on, of all the things to address: If this were even 10 years ago, I’d accept such an ignorant statement, but all one needs to do is type “Thong” into Wikipedia and a complete history of the thong presents itself, fully explaining what a screenwriter might mean. I mean how lazy can people be? If the statement was an attempt at humor it’s sophomoric at best. Truly we are becoming Mike Judge’s “Idiocracy”.

151. John in Canada, eh? - July 13, 2008

#75: “I don’t see her, but I do see Louis Wu, Speaker-to-Animals, and Nessus on their fly-cycles below the flying city.”

Ha! I just finished the Ringworld books; yes, I was thinking about this episode as I read about the floating cities there.

Great stills above – but the actual episode was disappointing. I expected to see more shots of, y’know, clouds, and maybe some movement in the shots too.

152. Commodore Wesley - July 13, 2008

#150: R.D., ignoring the completely rude nature of your post (“ignorant,” “lazy,” “sophomoric,” “idiocracy”), I decided to look at Wikipedia, to see if there was a definition of “thong” which had any relation to mining.

From Wikipedia:
Thong (clothing) an item of underwear or swim-wear
Thong sandal or “flip-flop”, a type of sandal held to the foot by a thin strap
Thong, England, an English village in Kent
a Vietnamese name, Thông
a common Laotian surname

So my speculation about sandals seemed the most relevant – to the episode (since Vanna wore sandals in Stratos) – although such would not be the most practical footwear to wear in a mine, one would think.

I suppose I could google “thong” and “mining,” but I have some Karl Jung reading to do in preparation for a class tomorrow. We “idiocrats” have such intellectually vapid lives.

I suppose you would find post #133, to which I was responding, a “sophomoric” attempt at humor as well. I pity you; I laughed out loud myself!

153. Rocky S. - July 13, 2008

I agree, Commodore. Obscurata, like that, are hardly tests of educational fitness.

Google turned up a whole lot of guys named Thong in relation to mining.

But Dictionary.com turned up (drum roll, please)…

Whip.

So all they have to bargain with are their whips and mortars.

Finally makes sense.

Morte = mortars, thongs = whip, troglites = troglodytes. I think their universal translators need a little reprogramming, myself. :)

154. FredCFO - July 14, 2008

Saw the episode on Saturday. While the overhead view of the city was photo realistic, the views from the surface of Ardana were not that great. It still looked fake. A bit of a disappointment considering how good the preview image provided by CBS-D looked. Thought the view from the surface would be equally as good.

The shot of the troglite falling from the city showed the body flipping slightly as opposed to original static position of the body — decent.

155. Commodore Wesley - July 14, 2008

Thanks, Rocky S! I wondered if the whips with which the troglites caught Kirk and Spock might be the “thongs.” Hardly an essential item for miners, but it makes sense in the context of the episode.

There! Wasn’t that a more pleasant process than engaging in insulting language? And we (well, some of us, maybe) learned something!

156. Holo J - July 14, 2008

154. FredCFO

“While the overhead view of the city was photo realistic, the views from the surface of Ardana were not that great. It still looked fake.”

yeah I agree. I just seen the effects on the you tube video. The views from the surface looked a totally different style. I just dont get why they did that?

157. Max - July 14, 2008

#154 and 156:

I consider a lot of the criticism of CBS Digital’s work to be unfair nitpicking, but not this time. I was shocked when I saw the view of Stratos from the ground. They really dropped the ball here, after setting us up with the beautiful overhead view. If they weren’t going to go for an ultra-realistic depiction from the ground, they might as well have left the original shot there – they didn’t really achieve anything better. Instead of the audience marveling at seeing a floating city, they got the same reaction as the original – “Wow, that looks so fake!” Can/will they fix this before the DVD realease of Season 3?

158. John_Sullivan - July 15, 2008

” … if they weren’t going to go for an ultra-realistic depiction from the ground …”

Maybe it is. Ever been to that planet? What’s “realistic” in Sci-Fi, anyway?

I applaud keeping the original as close to the original styrofoam model or whatever was used as a tribute to Matt Jefferies. I was never a fan of this Remastered effort until I actually started watching the episodes. Even to this day, the still jpg’s look too cartoonish, but when seen in motion live, it looks not only impressive, but artfully so. Most impressive, especially in the remastered film of the sets, is way that we see the background in all of its originally intended hues and brightness. The interrior of the main arrival/departure promenade is absolutely fantastic. Probably always was, but we could never see it that way on the earlier airings, VHS’s, and LaserDisks. Hate to say it, but these guys are going to make me go out and get a HDTV player and new TV to boot.

159. peter parker - July 27, 2008

John Sullivan…seriously…I’ve been to that planet using the stargate prop and I still think it looked fake.

It looked pointless if CBS couldn’t make it look goorealistic. I think they just didn’t have the talent.

160. Robert C. - November 2, 2008

Beautiful Image of the city.
However, the architecture that mattered was that of Charlene Polite as Vanna. Her beauty, intellect and talent carried the episode; Droxine by comparison was a silly skinny schoolgirl wearing embarrassingly too little
.
Thanks for the look ahead at the look backward.
I’ll ve running for High Advisor next year, s look for my posters all over the Cloud City.

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