New Star Trek Trailer Online + Official Site Revamped [UPDATE: new TV Spot + Foreign Versions] November 17, 2008
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The wait is over. The new theatrical trailer for the new Star Trek movie is now officially online, with an exclusive at Apple Trailers, including HD. If you haven’t seen it yet, this is the second best way besides seeing it onscreen. In addition the official site for the Star Trek movie has been re-launched with a new look and some hidden features. UPDATE: There is also a new TV spot and some foreign dubbed versions.
The trailer was launched at Apple Trailers site for a first exclusive.
CLICK TO SEE AT APPLE.COM (various resolutions, including HD)
And is now on YouTube at 480p
Official site updated with new look + including hidden features
The official site for the new movie, StarTrekMovie.com (not to be confused with the unofficial home for all things Trek, TrekMovie.com), has been updated as well. There are new wallpapers as well as updates of some of the recent photos in the gallery. There are also two new ‘Easter eggs’ hidden on the site with some additional content. So go to the official site now and check it out.
Find the Easter Egg – win a prize!
The first persons to identify either of the new hidden Easter Eggs on the official site (where to find them and what the content is) in the comments below will be sent a new Star Trek film related prize by TrekMovie.com.
Trailer seen by millions so far + profiled on ET tonight
The new Bond movie Quantum of Solace raked in over $70 Million at the box office over the weekend, which works out to about 10 million tickets. TrekMovie reported previously that some theaters chose to not show the trailer, but the vast majority did so at least 7-8 million people saw this trailer on the big screen (probably another half million or more watched the bootleg online over the weekend). Also tonight (Monday), Entertainment Tonight will be showing this new trailer, which should help reach that expanded audience.
More trailer coverage coming up
TrekMovie is all over the new trailer. Coming up we will be taking a closer look at the trailer and explain what many of the shots are, and we have additional trailer related articles planned as well. So stay tuned to TrekMovie.com.
UPDATE: New TV Spot
There is also a one minute version of the trailer, which is being called a ‘TV Spot’ (no word on when and where it will air, this might just be the one they show on ET tonight). No new content, essentially the same trailer, but the corvette part is removed. Check it out (via IGN) below:
UPDATE 2: Foreign version
Paramount has also created a foreign versions. So far we have idented a German dub and Brazilian (subtitled in Portuguese), both of which include an intro (in English) from JJ Abrams.
GERMAN VERSION (dubbed)
BRAZIL/PORTUGUESE VERSION (subtitled)
NOTE: if you spot another exclusive given out in your country let us know
And here is a French (dubbed) version (no JJ intro)
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yes!
WOW! Way more detail than YouTube, I wish I had seen it in the theater! JJ and crew has really exceeded my expectations!
One of the hidden features on the site is a special Nero wallpaper – when you click on “Downloads,” a red beacon appears in the top-right corner that says “Incoming Transmission.” If you click on it, the wallpaper appears in a pop-up window.
trekmovie just crashed! wooooo!
Sweet!
Can’t load HD from Apple!
In the opinion of a nobody artist/designer/art director:
Cheesy “Sci-Fi” music over the car scene.
Cheesy Droid scene. Why would a Droid wear clothes or a helmet or have breathing apparatus? If he’s humanoid – same questions.
Really, really cheesy Disney-like transporter swirls on Spock. The rest looks good.
Was wowed by the bootleg copy over the weekend, but the HD viewing left me in awe.
This movie looks fantastic!!!!!!!!!!!!!
At 1:06, is that Nimoy in the trailer?
I did see it in the theatre after having seen it online and my reaction was decidedly that it was visually overwhelming. The cuts too fast to discern anything. My general impression was that it was to build excitement for an audience not familiar with Star Trek. I was left with a dissatisfied feeling in the theatre. Anyone lurking on this site will want to see it via Apple HD download in order to really look at it.
My only criticism at this point? Simon Pegg’s Scotty does not seem quite right and that line is probably the worst the character has ever been given to say.
AMAZING!!!!
FRIGGIN FANTASTIC!! New website is also awesome!
Based on the information available so far (interviews, pictures, scene descriptions, 2 trailers) my expectation is this:
70%: The movie sucks. It’s just another pointless fast-cut no-brainer action blockbuster, like Transformers. It has nothing to do with Star Trek. I will never watch any so-called „Star Trek“ by JJ Abrams again.
25%: Mixed feelings. There are many annoying re-imagined elements, canon violations, and action movie stereotypes, but there are also many genuine Star Trek elements which compensate for that.
5%: Wow! Great movie. The movie has so much of Roddenberry’s vision and Star Trek spirit that the unavoidable continuity issues don’t really matter. JJ saved Trek! (For the record: Before the scene descriptions, full trailer and particularly before some of JJ’s interviews, I gave this option 80% credence.)
If the 70% scenario should really become true, it’s likely the franchise will not be re-invigorated (at least not in any category other than profit) and a younger audience will not get excited over Roddenberry’s vision. And why should they? They haven’t been presented with anything special. They will simply leave the cinema saying: This was cool! and: The explosion at the end kicks ass! and then indifferently move on to the next action flick which is hyped at the time.
I sincerely hope the movie will be in the other 30%! But I have ceased to feel any enthusiasm or excitement over the movie. After all, what do I care? I still have my TOS-R boxes and my Trek collection and I can still watch Phase II, just as it would be without this movie.
ROCK N ROLL!
Amazing!… Thank you very much for posting this! ;)
Nobody says anything because we are all looking for the easter egg.
XDD
I found a wallpaper of Uhura !
http://www.startrekmovie.com/downloads/secret-wallpaper2.html
The other “egg” is the same red beacon on the Videos page. You get a pop-up with a wall paper of Uhura.
Really happy to finally see this in a quality format.
I can say it’s really well done. Except for the droidcop but that is what, 5 sec. of the movie.
The enterprise in construction looks fantastic!!!! Wish I could have seen it on the big screen but the showing I went I only got treated to the crappy Fast and Furious movie…
#8 – I was wondering the same thing when I saw the bootleg over the weekend. I believe it is.
Awesome stuff… Can’t Wait!
Everyone always says go see it on the big screen. Better yet, get a hi-def digital projector like mine and watch it in your house on a hi-def 144 inch screen. Now thats style. You’ll save yourself a lot of fuss and money in the end.
Cool trailer! We will wait and see the new classic series.
Okay, I’m starting to believe that we’re all wrong about what the movie is about. I believe that it’s going to be about how Spock’s work with the Romulans sparks them to go back in time to try and end Vulcan once and for all. This movie is about Spock going back in time to get Kirk and company to try and save Vulcan from being destroyed.
I come to that conclusion cause there seems to be a lot of scenes in the trailer on or over Vulcan.
augh damn you apple i cant upgrade to the new quicktime just give me a straight download link augh
the updated site ain’t showin yet for me…
And a secret wallpaper of Nero. Hope I’m first
http://www.startrekmovie.com/downloads/secret-wallpaper1.html
If I hitt “incomming” I get a picture from Uhura.
From the trailer I think Simon Pegg is going to be competing with Mel Gibson for “worst Scottish accent ” award!
IMPORTANT!
Did anybody notice that the Klingons were wearing MASKS!!!
It’s the scene where there are two Klingons behind Nero.
Perhaps the Klingons in JJ’s Star Trek are wearing masks to conceal their ridgeless faces from that virus created in ENT?
WOW!!!
#8,18
That’s Ben Cross as Sarek, Spock’s father.
When you click on the incoming data image in the story section pops up an Uhura wallpaper not available in DL section.
Offical site hasn’t updated for UK users I assume, as I am getting a message saying the trailer will be online in 1 day from now…
Oh yeah, and the trailer is fine, but the movie isn’t really Star Trek. Looks like a brilliant film yeah, but it isn’t Star Trek.
meh.. Star Wars for Star Trek Fans
White corridors… where’s R2 and 3PO
Ice planets. been there done that..
Is that the cloverfield moster or a Rancor ?
Hoverbikes… nuff said.
I’ll wait for Netflix
So much better off the website than youtube. I have goosebumps! So excited for this movie.
I noticed that Kirk is in bed with an Orion slave girl, not Uhura. And for Alias fans (and Felicity), Amanda Freeman (?) who played Carrie, is one of the cameos to watch for – she is on the bridge behind Scotty.
Looks like cars in the future will have your picture on the rear license plates. lol
I dont think the girl in bed with Kirk is Uhura – Carol Marcus perchance???
drooooooooooool
#30
I’m getting that too, and I’m in the US.
found other cast wallpaper by clicking theincoming transmission thing for video section similar to nero one, presuming there are more.
and the HD links both give me the teaser, not the trailer.
Anyone figure out how to Download it?
ANYONE NOTICE?
KIRK’S EYES ARE BLUE!
ALL THE WHINERS WHO INSIST ON GUESSING WHAT IS AND ISN’T GOING TO HAPPEN IN THIS FILM:
IN YOUR FACE!
Awesome, now I can look for specific details!
I’m getting tired of people saying “it isn’t Star Trek”. It IS Star Trek, just not the one with the plywood boards, blinking lights, and bluescreen.
I’m an old fan from the NBC days, one of the biggest fans around and you HAVE TO understand that “old” Trek is never coming back, and never will. It was a show for a different time on a different medium.
Bring it.
There She is!!!!
Okay, maybe not blue but they ain’t brown!
See @ 1:23 in the new trailer
……………………………………………………………………………………………………………….. ……OOOOO……………………OOOOO……OOOOOOO……OOOOO……………………OOOOO…….. …….OOOOO………………….OOOOO…..OOOO..OOOO…..OOOOO………………….OOOOO……… ……..OOOOO…….OOO…….OOOOO…..OOOO….OOOO…..OOOOO…….OOO…….OOOOO………. ………OOOOO…..OOOO…..OOOOO…..OOOO……OOOO…..OOOOO…..OOOO…..OOOOO……….. ……….OOOOO…OOOOO…OOOOO……OOOO……OOOO……OOOOO…OOOOO…OOOOO………… ………..OOOOOOOO..OOOOOOOO…….OOOO……OOOO…….OOOOOOOO..OOOOOOOO…………. …………OOOOOOO….OOOOOOO………OOOO….OOOO………OOOOOOO….OOOOOOO………….. ………….OOOOOO……OOOOOO………..OOOOOOOOO………..OOOOOO……OOOOOO…………… …………..OOOOO……..OOOOO…………..OOOOOOO…………..OOOOO……..OOOOO……………. ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..
TRAILER… GOOOOOOOD…
I have not consumed new Trek in AGES.
Mmmmm…
Looks awesome!
I cant see the new site!!! It keeps showing the old
F***ING AWESOMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Holger: Sadly, I have to agree. Given that the job of a trailer is to bring in the masses, I haven’t entirely lost hope, but I’m not inspired by this trailer. Star Trek at its best – and what made it special – was that it was about ideas and imagination, and human beings dealing with places and beings and situations that no human has ever dealt with before, and succeding because we ‘re capable of being clever and imaginative and enlightened – but there’s no evidence whatsoever of that in this trailer. What we have instead, it seems, is Kirk and Spock apparently having a fist fight.
On the other hand, that brief glimpse of McCoy and Scotty speaks volumes – you can really see that they have their own handle on the characters without doing them an injustice.
So – my expectations are not high but I’m hoping to be surprised.
And I think that’s Ben Cross as Sarek at 1.06.
Direct HD link:
http://movies.apple.com/movies/paramount/star_trek/startrek-tlr2_h640w.mov
God that kid at the beginning of the trailer is annoying….
Really who drives a car like that in the 23rd Century..
plus what the heck is the deal with “James Tiberus Kirk” when he is asked, comes across like the “kid” in Superman Returns.
Plus why does the new enterprise look like something from the 25th century?? The old NCC-1701 would not be able to hold par with a Romulan Vessel from the 24th century. Old spock must give them some weapon formula or something.
If you click on “incoming transmission” after clicking on the “videos” tab, you get a black and white desktop picture of Uhura. Shazam.
I don’t think Nimoy is playing Spock, from the trailer it almost looks like he’s playing Sarek.
not a robot a man in a suit
WOW!!!! AWESOME!!!!!
Even more awesome…
I spotted PAUL MCGILLION at about 1.10 in some sort of shuttle bay!!!! WOHOO!!!!
SOOOOO EEXCCIIITTTEEEDDDDD!!!!
The only thing I don’t like is young Kirk dumping the car off the cliff. It seems pretty unnecessary. And when he screams his name it reminds me of Jake Lloyd. Oh the horror!
I really love the part when Kirk has to gnarfle the garthok. That bit rocks!
must …. stop….. going… through…. frame….. by ………f…r..a…..m..e………..
“White corridors”
are you seriously quibbling about the colour of the walls?
“Ice planets. been there done that..”
yes, on the original star trek series. more than a decade before empire
“Is that the cloverfield moster or a Rancor ?”
so no big monsters allowed on star trek now?
“Hoverbikes… nuff said.”
since when did star wars have a monopoly on hover vehicles? read some science fiction.
Hey, here’s a thought…
maybe the cop is an early Breen…
NO ONE THOUGHT OF THAT DID THEY HUH?!
Yeah, I just blew your minds.
LOVE SIMON PEGG!
“I like this ship! It’s exciting!”
Some comedy relief after the tussel between Kirk and Spock on the bridge maybe..?
#12—-”I have ceased to feel any enthusiasm or excitement over the movie. ”
Seeing your posts on this site for a very long time, I don’t think you ever actually felt any.
On further watching – I agree with 32. (This moviewill Rock) and 51 (Nomad) – it’s an Orion Slave girl in bed with Kirk and Sarek at 1.06. Pleas disregard my thoughts on Carol Marcus
I like this in the HD that I dl’ed on my Apple (which, btw, appears to be the Official Software AND Hardware Supplier for Starfleet).
Well done, guys. I like what I see. Less Berman, more action.
I’m guessing that if Spock and Kirk fight, they both get thrown in the brig. In which we get anger-turned light hearted moment where they become BFFs.
Interesting in the skydiving scenes that if you look up to the top of the chain, you caqn barely make out the silhouette of the squid-like vessel. In fact, it’s really hard to get any kind of grip on what that vessel looks like in the battle scenes. Is the Kelvin and some strange starfleet fighter *inside* it, or its tendrils? It also looks like there is a brief glimpse of the vessel going through some force field, similar to the Borg Sphere going back through time. Anyway, great stuff!
THEY AREN”T USING THE ORIGINAL ACTORS?? OR PROPS?? NEXT YOU WILL TELL ME THAT NICK MEYER ISN”T DIRECTING…… WHAT THE…..?!?!?!
Sooooooooooo much better than the bootlegs, loads of detail that was invisible before, Kirk holding a Klingon disruptor? Whats under the bed? Kirk’s mum giving birth? how many Kelvin type ships are there? or how may times can the Kelvin be destroyed??? what are the flat/oval ships…?
WOW, it all looks amazing! I love it so far.
Incredible houw much new info we are getting from the same trailer only because we have it in HD, isn’t it?
Liked the trailer. So, what are we going to do for the next 6 months then? Really??? :(
BTW Did anyone see George Takei on I’m a celebrity? I thought he was doing rather well!!
anyone have screen caps?
A James Dean type Kirk at sunset looking at the Enterprise – his future destiny – constructed in the desert… that’s what I call kitsch!
64: “so no big monsters allowed on star trek now?”
Nope. Only giant superimposed black cats! LOL
Cool stuff.
Oh my! Who allowed the female starfleet officers to wear pants (1:17 and 1:39)? Nooooo! :-D
Just kidding. Great trailer.
ORION SLAVE GIRL!!!! On the bed! Is there anything better in this trailer!
Which is brighter? Kirk’s new blue eyes, or the iBridge? ;-)
49 Jasmin: Nicely done
Also really nice to see that they don’t give away all of the plot!!
Nicely done, JJ.
So… when does the trailer for XII come out?
Rear license plates in the future have their owner’s face on them? Interesting.
I have been looking at alot of other websites since the trailer came out this weekend. And the feeling from reading alot of those comments is that general audiences like the trailer. The only ones who seem to have any kind of issue with the trailer are the really hardcore stick to canon fans.
The cop isn’t a Breen, it’s one of those machines from the Matrix
Anyone who is saying Simon Pegg’s accent is ‘bad’ either hasn’t heard a real scottish person, or thinks Doohan’s accent is what a real scottish person sounds like. As a scotsman myself, that brief sentence from Pegg sounds right on compared to Doohan, any day of the week. Remember, Pegg is married to a scottish woman, and has an extended scottish family. Doohan was canadian.
PS – This is not to slight doohan, he was an incredibly talented actor, I adored his Scotty, and the accent, I’m just pointing out that just because Pegg’s accent is not a Jimmy Doohan impression, doesn’t mean it isn’t scottish.
#81
You said pants! (Sorry….. English….)
#53—”…but there’s no evidence whatsoever of that in this trailer.”
Nor is there any evidence that none of what you just described is not in the film.
This trailer is not directed at established Star Trek fans, but at the general movie-going audience.
If the trailer felt anything like run-of-the-mill Star Trek, it wouldn’t have its desired effect, would it?
No. It would likely be dismissed as the same old thing they have ignored and/or ridiculed for decades.
Certainly, they have added a more modern asthetic and bigger and better action sequences. But ‘addition’ does not mean automatic ’subtraction’.
I’m not even sure where that notion comes from.
Nothing I have seen or heard indicates or even suggests to me that Star Trek’s vision has somehow been compromised by 4 huge fans of the franchise (the film’s writers and producers) and one very casual, less traditional one (the film’s director). In fact, the self-proclaimed “Supreme Court” members have consistently praised that vision.
I hardly believe that this film will somehow dismiss the optimistic vision of Humanity’s future in which the human race does not destroy itself, but instead unites to conquer the social ills which plague us today, as well as to explore the final frontier with peaceful intentions.
I’m curious about the small ship at 1:43. Spock Prime’s timeship?
Is that Corvette from a year of the original series, by the way? Is that a nod?
detail on the enterprise build shot is staggering.
57:
You’re right, that is Sarek, but it’s not Leonard; it’s the English actor Ben Cross, with Winona Ryder as the young Amanda.
Nimoy IS playing Spock in the film, according to just about every journalist in Europe who saw the 20 minutes of footage Abrams has been touring with. if he’s in the trailer anywhere, I can’t find him.
Bloody amazing! Just d/l the hd version my 2 daughters 18 and 16 love it to!
great trailer, really, although a bit more standard, imo, when you compare it to trailer #1.
a few things i noticed: in the shot where you see the enterprise beeing built: does anyone find the shipyard too close to where kirk is? it looks as though it’s only 200 meters (sorry, european) away, but then the buildings are far too small. also, did you notice the sign saying “authorized personnell only”? it thought, well, that’s a pretty small fence for such a big ship. looks as though kirk could just walk over there. plus, if you look closely at the first trailer, you can clearly see citylights around the construction site. those seem to have disappeard?
You folks criticizing this trailer for being action orientated must have faulty memories. Every Trek movie has had these kinds of trailers. Heck every type of movie such as this has one. It’s a quick fast montage of thrill shots to generate excitement. Make people wonder and whet their appetites. And it has certainly succeeded on my behalf. There will be more trailers that will have the story center stage.
Man, why are so many of my fellow Star Trek and Comic book fans SO damn cranky and doom & gloom types?
My God, this is almost as good as the big screen! But it’s better, ’cause now I can pause it over and over. I cannot get over how PERFECT Quinto and Urban are, but everyone looks great. This trailer is amazing . . . just wish I could find Nimoy.
It’s a glorious time to be a Trek fan. Congrats to JJ, Bob Orci and co.
Apologies if this has already come up, but that Corvette — is that from a year that the original series ran? Is that a nod?
Hey at 1:11 – 1:12 it’s PILE OF POOP HEAD MAN!!
Doesn’t work (at any size). Just sits there without any indication of loading, etc. So that’s 2 theatres w/o the trailer and an Apple download which doesn’t work. Strike 3! At least I got to see the bootleg.
I just saw the HD trailer on Apple and wow! very very nice! Looks really good to me. As a long time Trek fan, this film looks really exciting and i can’t wait to see the finished product! Well done Bob, JJ and all involved in the production! :) Plus i think the official website looks really good! very cool!
Its certainly slick, but I still say its crap. Don’t get me wrong, I’m so there on opening night, however.
# 60
“I really love the part when Kirk has to gnarfle the garthok. That bit rocks!”
I nearly pissed myself laughing lol.
I want to Erghhh Erghhhh get away, I want to Erghh Erghhh.”
Coneheads FTW
Also wondering about the bridge officer who seems to be facing away from camera, to the right of the turbolift doors, at 1:17. Is he in line for the loo?
#6 Thanks for the professional appraisal
[93]
This is possible, I saw drawings of ships like that flleeing the destruction of Vulcan…
Wooooo! Uhura taking off her shirt!!! Yeowzah!!!!!!!!
Despite the fact that it doesn’t feel at all like the Star Trek I know and adore, I can’t help being totally pumped. Anyone who ever said that Star Trek is geeky and uncool is about to get a HUGE wakeup call.
‘Bout time!
THIS IS NOT A DISASTER!
HOT
Love it love it! Holy HD BAtman, this HD version really lifts the veil! Not really sure why they need desk lamps in a bridge that has plenty of light…maybe it’s a way to conserve battery power when the lights go out. But wow. Oh wow. This is the kind of upgrade to the bridge I was hoping for in 1979!
And those corridors look so totally futuristically retro I’m really digging the whole vibe. This is NOTHING like what was cranked out during the Berman years, this is fresh, in your face and fun!!
Dare I say it,…after 17 long years,….. Star Trek is back??
Sure, I’ll say it, the wait IS over!! Bring it!
64. ngl;sdb;ga
THANK YOU!!!! been reading some post here and I can’t beleive people complaining about detail. It,s like they were expecting the same trek from 40 years ago…
#60
“I really love the part when Kirk has to gnarfle the garthok. That bit rocks!”
lmfao Coneheads FTW
Wow, this is like a Quantum Leap ahead of the Youtube bootlegs!!
Take back what I said about the re-imagined Enterprise, she looks great!!!
Can’t wait!!!
Hey, Anthony!!
Site’s not working great, but I found an eater egg. And I want to make sure you guys know I probably got it first.
When you click on Downloads, there is a red flash that says Incoming Transmission… click it and you get a download of Nero’s face in the same style as the two recent downloads for Kirk and Spock! :)
Thanks for the contest!
#22 Jax Maxton
“Okay, I’m starting to believe that we’re all wrong about what the movie is about. I believe that it’s going to be about how Spock’s work with the Romulans sparks them to go back in time to try and end Vulcan once and for all. This movie is about Spock going back in time to get Kirk and company to try and save Vulcan from being destroyed.
I come to that conclusion cause there seems to be a lot of scenes in the trailer on or over Vulcan.”
My God, I think you’ve got something there. After watching that trailer about 10 times and reading your post, I totally agree.
#60 Darth Quixote
“I really love the part when Kirk has to gnarfle the garthok. That bit rocks!”
LOL Coneheads FTW
http://www.startrekmovie.com/downloads/secret-wallpaper2.html
Uhura!
Hey, Anthony!!
Site’s not working great, but I found an eater egg. And I want to make sure you guys know I probably got it first.
When you click on Downloads, there is a red flash that says Incoming Transmission… click it and you get a download of Nero’s face in the same style as the two recent downloads for Kirk and Spock! yay
(hm. don’t seem to be posting… not sure why. One more try, then I give up.)
Hey, Anthony!!
Site’s not working great, but I found an eater egg. And I want to make sure you guys know I probably got it first.
When you click on Downloads, there is a red flash that says Incoming Transmission… click it and you get a download of Nero’s face in the same style as the two recent downloads for Kirk and Spock!
Misters Orci, Kurtzman and Abrams:
Thanks fellas. You made my day. I had a total gulp/teary-eyed moment at the first shot of the E in space there, which I haven’t had since I was 8 and
saw the Motion Picture. I’ll admit I was a little worried to hear of the Archer and Cardassian references in the (as yet unseen here) clips (I know, it’s all there for the fans), mainly because I was a little worried it would be too reverential and too stuck to the tired, all-angles-exhausted, all-Vulcans-have-bad-hairpieces, Berman-factory stuff…
It’s now looking more and more like I shouldn’t have worried
Bring on that messed-up timeline, surprise us with a little innovation and brand new ideas… (the first trek movies did a great job of this… freshened up the universe, especially design-wise, and made it all somehow more Trek without being slavish to anything that had gone on before)… the best part of Trek, for me, was that the possibilities were endless… especially in the two pilots and even through the whole original series and TOS movies…. that there was this huge space-faring society with a long history, that had moved a long way from ours… and we didn’t know all the details (oh, oh, I’m starting to preach about how boring, similar and 90s it all became by the time of Voyager)…
Anyway, fellas — awesome.
PS: So what’s the smoke monster, anyway?
As Kirk advised a Luddite-ish Scotty in Star Trek III (do I earn geek points here):
“Young minds, fresh ideas — be tolerant”
Finally seen the trailer in HD. I am utterly lost for words. All of it is amazing, simply amazing. I’m even more excited about this film now! Roll on May!
Several more hidden wallpapers!
One example:
http://www.startrekmovie.com/downloads/images/d25_1280.jpg
if people are having problems with the streaming, you can always download it off of itunes.
Wallpaper of Nero, found when clicking “incoming data” icon while loading gallery
http://www.startrekmovie.com/downloads/secret-wallpaper1.html
Of course, we can’t actually use the wallpapers (access is restricted), but hey, we found them!
There seems to be a lot of complaining in here that the trailer makes the movie seem like it’s a Star Wars type action adventure movie and it’s not really Star Trek. However, I have viewed the HD trailer a few times and is it me or does all the space battle scenes depicted seem to involve the Kelvin? I have yet to notice a scene with the Enterprise in battle. The other main action sequence in this trailer seems to involve the part of the movie depicted in the section that JJ has showed the European press. The part where Kirk, Sulu, and (poor) Olson parachute down to the ledge thingy
As we know, the Kelvin gets destroyed in the first part of the move and the parachute scene was only part of a 20 minute preview shown. Yet from my estimates they seem to make up most of the action in the trailer. So what about the rest of the movie? You would assume if the movie was wall-to-wall action, they would have included other scenes depicting that action.
My point? I see no reason to believe this movie will be all action and to believe this movie will NOT contain elements of Star Trek we are all familiar with based a trailer that uses action shots from 2 small parts of the film.
Hey Caspar, post #3 beat you to it.
Hey Caspar, post #3 beat you to it.
Hey Caspar, post #3 beat you to it.
Hey Caspar, post #3 beat you to it.
lol
“White corridors”
I also feel the need to point out that the corridors are light gray
Apple exclusive?
Ah… This explains the new i-Bridge, the USS i-Nterprise, and Robocop.
:-)
What I think…
Young Jim is somehow losing his corvettes roof…
Why is he driving that car over the cliff?
Revenge, does the car belong to his evil uncle,
or a mutprobe (test of braveness)
0:56
UFP Flag at shipyard
1:04
Vulcan City
1:08
Spock telling council he wants to join starfleet
1:15
Shuttles escaping from the Kelvin
hangardoors obviously opened
1:17
The Bridge has a door
1:24
Redshirt with Phaser
1:28
Enterprise arriving at Vulcan
1:29
Kirk, Spock and McCoy racing to the bridge, to warn Pike about trap
1:29
Spocks Time ship
1:31
Kirk below Uhuras roommates bed
1:36
Nero escaping romulan prison
1:42
Kirk with Uhura roommate
1:43
Kirks birth
1:44
Kirk on Neros ship
1:44
Romulan Rockets impacting on the Kelvin
If you let me i will buy the blu-ray now!!!! im already convinced i can never watch this on dvd. I’ll buy the blu-ray now AND see it in theaters. I can’t wait 6 months (theater) and 1 year (blu-ray) for everything.
Looks cool. Just need to fix that Enterprise…
Fantastic. I also like some of the little touches — like duct tape on the bridge at 1:17 and the pictures in Uhura’s quarters at 1:31.
93 joshmeister — yes, I had the same thought re: lack of security at the Enterprise build site.
The movie is going to be EPIC!!
This trailer was INCREDIBLE in the theaters! Perfect, the in your face action that Star Trek needs. Never should Star Trek sacrifice the human equation aspect from Star Trek but lets admit it people….Star Trek has needed more action for a long time. This movie is going to be EPIC! I can’t wait to see it. Again as JJ said we know a lot of the Star Trek universe that has never been shows, especially epic battles, some of the battle with the Dominion was the best. This trailer is perfect the this movie is just what Star Trek needs, I am happy and excited and I know I will be satisfied.
#28 no doubt about the Klingons, even look at the circular style corridors much like the corridors on NX 01. I mean Star Trek Enterprise is pre Kirk so I think JJ snuck in some nuggets here and there.
# 33 HELL YEA white corridors, 1970’s just like the bridge.
# 53 part of being human is how we change and how we adapt to change, and most importantly the opportunity to change! Again I say Gene Roddenberry would be happy with this movie.
Even when I went to go see Quantum of Solace after the Star Trek trailer had shown there were already people in the theatre saying “wow, I never knew Star Trek was like that,” and “I have never liked Star Trek but I might go see that movie.” As a Star Trek fan I was excited and astounded that I heard this from people around me in the theatre!
I better see some people vaporized in this movie! JJ, I hope you didn’t leave that out.
I’m a 55 year old long time fan. I can’t wait for this. I could care less about some of the canon stuff being brought up. This movie is going to bring back Star Trek to another generation and that is all that matters. This is a trailer. When you combine it with the descriptions of the scenes that have been previewed to some of the lucky few, it’s going to rock.
#121—I agree completely.
The trailer is meant to be sexy and intriguing to general audiences. I think it is.
Addition does not mean automatic subtraction. I have seen nothing which suggests to me that Star Trek’s vision has somehow been compromised by 4 huge fans of the franchise and 1 very casual one.
These self-proclaimed “Supreme Court” members have always insisted that the story is very character-driven.
And the second egg can be found when going to the videos..
there you can find uhura in the b/w style…
When you click on Downloads, there is a red flash that says Incoming Transmission… click it and you get a download
Nice. This is what the franchise needs to reinvigorate itself. There are plenty who will disagree, but let’s face it — Star Trek is stale. This appears to be a much more energetic, lively version of itself, which is really what is necessary. Change the set dressing, charge up the emotion and scope, keep the core themes, everyone wins.
Something about trailers that needs to be understood… not all of what is in a trailer is in the film. There are cut scenes and bits of dialog recorded just for the purpose of a trailer … that never end up in the film. Keep that in mind…..
Hmm. So now its not just Kirk losing his shirt and Uhura does now too. My how times change.
I can’t wait for the frame-by-frame analysis.
Lots of cool tidbits I noticed on my own, like the UFP symbol at the shipyard, the aliens among the cadets in the shuttlebay, Spock’s apparent third rank stripe as he escorts Amanda down the rock face, etc.
Wow. The whole site just changed.
http://www.startrekmovie.com
Anybody notice that when it shows Spock choking Kirk his badge is on the right side but in the same image released its on the left side??
I wonder if theres any meaning behind that?
yee olde giant hd screencap
http://img204.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bigell9.jpg
I think I enjoyed the trailer more when it was a bootleg and you couldn’t see things clearly. Apart from some flashy visuals this trailer tells us very little..
I wonder if moving the film so far back will turn out to be a mistake?
i love HD!!!!
at 1:12ish is that the E’s Shuttle bay? i might look a bit bigger that the original, but it looks so much more fuctional.
95* YES it is!! It’s a glorious time to be a Trek fan.
for everyone who complains the romulans arent acting romulany enough, do you really expect an entire species spanning a galactic empire, presumably trillions of individuals, to have the same political motivations /work ethic/ etc etc?
When I see those transmissions and get to the screen where you can choose the resolutions for both the Uhura as the Nero wallpaper, it’s asking for a username & password i.e. I have the log in :S
Help?
Just watched the trailer in HD. Damn.
Lotsa wallpapers.
http://www.startrekmovie.com/downloads/images/d1_1280.jpg
change “d1″ to “d2″ all the way up to “d32″ to see them all.
OMG OMG WEEEEEEE
Looks good in HD!
i think i found an easter egg…tho i’m not too sure as it could just be an error my end.
i think i managed to disable the navagation thing that appears on the left side.
i only noticed it was gone when i had messed about in the gallery. when you mouse over a picture they get bigger, what i did was to click on a picture and whilst holding the mouse move it up. i did this for all the pictures then noticed that the homepage star trek 05.08.09 logo was over the bottom of the picture….i clicked it which took me back to the home page and then i noticed there was no navigation.
of course this doesn’t help as now i can only just click the door and go to watch the trailer
Nero wallpaper:
http://www.startrekmovie.com/downloads/desktop.php?file=d31_1920.jpg&width=1920&height=1200
Uhura wallpaper:
http://www.startrekmovie.com/downloads/desktop.php?file=d32_1920.jpg&width=1920&height=1200
;)
I think I enjoyed the trailer more when it was a bootleg and you couldn’t see things clearly. Apart from some flashy visuals this trailer tells us very little..
I wonder if moving the film so far back will turn out to be a mistake? We’ll see.
I want to say CONGRATS to the producers, writers, cast & crew of Star Trek. The trailer is terrific and the film looks spectacular. You are making Trek exciting again, and will bring in a whole new (and younger) audience. If Star Trek is going to go on for future generations, its presentation and appearance must adapt to the times… I am very excited with everything I have seen, and can’t wait for opening day.
Live long and prosper!
Lotasa wallpapers can be found…
http://www.startrekmovie.com/downloads/images/d1_1280.jpg
Change d1 to d2 etc all the way up to d32
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWN!!!!!!!!!!
89. BrF – November 17, 2008
Is that Corvette from a year of the original series, by the way? Is that a nod?
Didn’t Shatner drive a ‘vette and Nimoy a T-bird (the sports car version, not the landbare version)?
127 – Can someone actually see green on the woman under Kirk?
I LOVE TO BE A TREKKIEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GIVE IT ALL JJ :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
AH, TREK GLUTTON!
I have 1080p HD version for my bad-ass widescreen TV and ipod version for my… ipod.
HURRAH!
The Enterprise looks a HELL of a lot better in the trailer than in that still shot we got. Nacelles are still ugly, though ;-)
Ah, you can never FULLY please a Trekkie!
IT… ALL… LOOKS… COOOOOOL…
something’s jacked with this page — comments have stopped appearing but that can’t be the case…
Definitely jacked from hits…
As a) a Scotsman, and b) a Scotsman who believes in ‘Pure Wads’, Simon Pegg’s Scottish accent must be one of the worst I’ve ever heard…
Sorry for the wrong link… This is the 1080p file.
http://apple.com/movies/paramount/star_trek/startrek-tlr2_h1080p.mov
Enjoy!
http://movies.apple.com/movies/paramount/star_trek/startrek-tlr2_480p.mov
Im on a laptop but will go to my desktop with the big screen to watch it on apple.com
thanks
Having just frame-by-framed the trailer, I’m intrigued.
What are those big honking structures on the horizon in Iowa? More ship construction?
And what’s going on on Vulcan? When Spock beams down, it looks like the Vasquez Rocks are collapsing…
152 – I’m glad the trailer doesn’t give away too much. I’m sick to death of previews that spoil the entire plot.
Having watched it a bunch of times now, I gotta say: I’m one pathetically happy little geek. Can’t can’t can’t can’t can’t can’t CAN ‘T wait to see this.
#27
You obviously aren’t scottish!
my god!! jj could cure a rainy day
after the photos i was looking forward to the film and now after that trailer i cant wait!!
to all those who said JJ couldnt do it hope your eating your words
Awesome!!!
Amazing detail in the HD versions!!!
Just noticed now that the top on the vette is up at the beginning, then it is filmed with the top down a few seconds later.
Don’t know why I didn’t notice it earlier.
”Apologies if this has already come up, but that Corvette — is that from a year that the original series ran? Is that a nod?”
Dude! Its in the movie because it is cool.
Corvettes will be around in the future you know.
@163
I knows people who say that about my accent. And mine is real.
Has there been any word on Vulcan’s overall “color?” It looks a little too Earth-like in the trailer, but it’s entirely possible they haven’t finished all the color correcting yet.
Look at the lettering/images on the pillar supporting the nacel in the scene in the trailer where the enterprise is under construction and Kirk is looking at it. I’m not sure if this is an effect that is not locked into position or a hidden message. Any thoughts?
Anyone complaining about this movie should hang their heads in shame!
If you want things to stay the same forever, lock yourself indoors and watch TOS on repeat, forever. I’ll be in line waiting to see the movie, thanks.
This film will do what Star Wars couldn’t.
We all know what that was, right guys?
‘Nuff said.
(Oh yeah and I’m from Scotland and Pegg doesn’t sound bad at all. Doohan was crap at it but he was charming. Pegg’s accent is spot on.)
The Trailer looks FANTASTIC – all you naysayers…Jog On!!!
Wow, I’ve really discovered secret images :D
It was just confirmed. Please don’t follow the link.
#27
You obviously aren’t scottish.
Although first impressions upon seeing the character are not wholly impressive I am betting on Mr Peggs previous performances and believe he will (hopefully) do a grand job.
Oh yeah and the accent is spot on scottish dialect. MUCH better than Mr Doohans accent ever was.
The trailer looks FANTASTIC – all you naysayers can JOG ON!!!
Not that it’s a big deal as I believe I can reasonably guess what’s what, but where’s the shot by shot info as promised?
This is a great Trailer and any one who does not like it ill have you put into the Agoniser Booth for a few Hours. I bet then you will come around. Looking forward to it and Ill be in line for the Midnight showing. Khannnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Awesome………….Bring it on!
Well, the movie’s gonna be massive. The trailer is really good, too…one of the best (if not THE best) Trek trailers yet.
I couldn’t help but think that Uhura’s wearing granny panties….
Sure getting tired of the shit talkers, talking trash, like seeing a quick jump-cut of movie tells them it is good or not. Looks good to me so far, and if you are going to attack it just because its not canon, well, move on, the rest of us will have an open-mind, take it on it’s own merit, and after seeing it at least once will start to form an opinion.
I’ve already watched this trailer 20 times.
I’m now going frame by frame.
Freakin’ EPIC!
“Space is disease and danger wrapped in darkness and silence.”
This has the makings of a ‘line for the ages.’ If this is representative of KO’s work on this script, I don’t know if I’ll sleep well [because STAR TREK is safe] or not at all [because I can't wait!].
I for one think Greenwood was a brilliant casting decision. Like his unfortunate role in HBO’s surf series, he looks like a weathered, tired hero.
Sarek and Amanda look lovely. Amanda’s Tehran-style veil is intriguing. I really like the way the rocks on Vulcan match the architecture.
Does anyone else wonder if the Klingons are also from the future–on a parallel mission to Spock’s? The trench coats are damn intriguing.
This is what I’ve been waiting for since I was a teenager in the 80s–watching TWOK/TSFS, reading the paperbacks and imagining a Star Trek that was bigger, more detailed, with people who don’t shave everyday, get laid and ships that get damaged.
Thanks JJ, Damon, Bryan, Bob and Alex. The word is given.
HOLY F**KING SH*T!!!
I’ve watched the trailer in FULL HD and it looks sooo amazing!!! But I wonder, how many times gets the USS Kelvin destroyed?! I saw 2 moments where the Kelvin is being crushed… Maybe there are more ships in it besides the shuttlecrafts and the USS Enterprise… And the Buckle Up moment.. are we seeing there the final scene of this movie because Kirk is wearing a Captain’s uniform.. and what is it with the mirror-view of Spock attacking Kirk? And what about the 2 guards getting beaten by Nero… they look like Klingon?! What about…..
….. SO MANY QUESTIONS!!! I CAN’T WAIT TO SEE STAR TREK!!!!!
This looks great and anyone not likeing it ill put you in the Agoniser booth for an hour or so. Ill bet that will change your mind. Long live the Terran Empire.
ORION SLAVE GIRL….
If you go through the 1080p trailer frame-by-frame you see that the girl Kirk is in bed with has GREEN SKIN! Ahahahaha.
Anyone else notice that Uhura’s cabin looks like an updated version of the TOS one, complete with room divider?
Oh and the car looks like a ‘65 Stingray to me. I wonder what metaphor that is supposed to be?
The two easter eggs are asking me for a login here.
And – those floors are sure SHINY to have issued such short skirts…
I keep looking for HAL in the hallway…
“Open the pod bay doors, HAL.”
“I’m sorry Kirk, I’m afraid I can’t do that”
*sigh*
Hi Folks,
First-time poster here. Been reading all the commentary & thought I’d jump in.
I’m going to opt on the side of optimism here. Maybe, just maybe, all the seemingly non-canon things we’re seeing in the trailer are just there to throw us off… Abrams himself has said that there are a lot of things in this film that “can be explained under canon”, so perhaps he’s created a terrific tale that’s full of surprises? He has been awfully darn secretive about the thing for some reason, right? :-)
But, I am having a hard time with the kid in what appears to be a 200 year-old Corvette. Doubtful they’ll even have gasoline then…
Why are there 2 DIFFERENT shots of the Kelvin being blown up? I just noticed it after my 10th time viewing the trailer, ha.
Time travel maybe? Something like TNG’s Cause and Effect?
Hmm.
A few things spotted in HD version of trailer:
Kirk’s ‘vette has Iowa license plates, license number 12213; other numbers on the plate include “1253″ and “3753″
RoboCop’s model number is 924
Ben Cross does indeed appear as Sarek; he’s in the shot with Winona Ryder at Vasquez (initially thought that was Quinto for some reason)
There is one very tall alien among the cadets in the Academy shot
One of the shuttles being loaded in the Academy shot reads NCC-1701!!!
There is a console in front of the helm and nav stations on the Enterprise bridge
That’s Winona Ryder/Amanda being helped by Zachary Quinto/Spock at 1:20
Looks like our heroes take an orbital dive at 1:25
What the heck is that at 1:29?
Nero vs. helmeted Klingons at 1:36!!!
Shot at 1:40 is flipped
labels on that glass thing in front of Uhura read “Engineering 01″ and “Defense Shield”
Kirk is with an Orion babe at 1:42 (Rachel Nichols, I would guess)
Jennifer Morrison (mama Kirk) screaming in agony at 1:43
And there you go :)
#86:
“#53—”…but there’s no evidence whatsoever of that in this trailer.” Nor is there any evidence that none of what you just described is not in the film.”
You’re right – there’s hope-!
“This trailer is not directed at established Star Trek fans, but at the general movie-going audience. If the trailer felt anything like run-of-the-mill Star Trek, it wouldn’t have its desired effect, would it? No. It would likely be dismissed as the same old thing they have ignored and/or ridiculed for decades.”
Again I agree – I’m not being a stuffy canonist nothing-must-change traditionalist, I’m all in favour of it changing and moving on as long as it’s the same thing at heart. I want more than just an action movie. I’d have like to see evidence of that in the trailer – but yes, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. There’s hope.
Spotted a shuttle in the bay that reads 1701-A. Front licence plate on the Corvette has IOWA at the top. I think the cop is a robot else why would he need a breathing apparatus if young Kirk doesn’t? Maybe the monster is from the same planet as the Cloverfield monster. A tie in to that movie?
Did anyone notice how the Corvette’s top is up in the first shot but then it’s down in all the following shots? Not that it’s a big deal but it’s not a good sign if there are continuity errors in the first 10 seconds of the trailer.
There’s a weird glare between Kirk and the E
You can see it between 0:56 – 0:58
Toward the left side of the screen
Is there a giant plexiglass window in front of him?
Anyone else notice it?
That was SO good!
1:36
those guards have interesting helmets/masks
maybe they’re klingons???
Being denied the honor of seeing it shown before Bond, because they apparently didn’t want to show it at the theater I went to, I was beyond ecstatic to finally see it online, in HD. I got chills, literally. Something I treat as visual inspiration in my own life is getting some serious attention, so happy! And it’s got even more visual inspiration now!
I’d also like to think the skydiving stuff was inspired by Voyager :) Depressed B’Elanna anyone? Kelvin, though different looking, is actually catching my eye, in a good way! I could go on! SOO EXCITED. I’m going to plug my computer into my 47″ 1080p Flat screen when I get home and watch the trailer on there, ha!
I might be wrong but it looks like the Kelvin goes out kamikaze style into Nero’s octopus monstrosity. Also, anyone notice the Klingon prison guards with the face helmets?
Unless it’s been officially confirmed, I think the cop in the beginning of the trailer is human. He asks too much like a cop. No robot or android can get that cop walk down like that. It was a “well…well…well…what have we here” type walk.
wow…..wow….WOW!!!!!
absolutely incredible, way beyond my expectations.
one thing though: hope they don’t go overboard with the orion slave girl scene….im guessing its brief, im just hoping for the kids’ sake. trek has yet to do something incredibly bad….nemesis pushed it, but, you know…here’s hoping. knew that they were gonna do something when they had an orion girl cast, but, crap. hope its nothing.
I just showed this to four women who work in my office who are not Trek fans and they all thought it looked great and want to see it because Chris Pine is “so hot”….lol….One of the women who’s husband is a Trekkie said it would make her husband’s day…..and they are in their 60’s. Of course, the girl who said Chris P is hot is in her early 30’s. Quite a range of age and all thought the movie looked really interesting.
Yes, the HD version brings so much more to this….I could not keep up at the theater…..by the way, did anyone notice near the end a Constitution class ship blowing up? Could it be?
If the downloads are taking time from the Apple website, you can get them instead via iTunes. Click the link from the Pple website to the iPhone version. iTunes will then open up and show you all of the HD versions aswell to download within iTunes.
Download Link *iTunes*
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/redirect?url=itms://www.apple.com/moviesxml/s/paramount/startrek/index.xml%3Fi%3D17
SO—-
Has a concensus been reached about whether Nimoy is in the trailer?
If not, have ANY photos of him from the new film been released?
If so, can anyone post a link to them?
If not, then WHY have no pictures of him been put out? I mean…geez…..they’ve released pictures of just about everybody and everything else in the film at this point. Why not Mr. Nimoy?
THat’s NOT nimoy in the trailor. over at TREKWEB they have a picture still of that shot and it’s SAREK….not SPOCK..
Why the hell does the apple trailer sight link you to the cloverfield trailer rather than the trek trailer….
199
Definitely noticed that too. The only explanation I can imagine is it’s glare from the huge light more to the center-right of the screen?
1) I don’t buy the idea that the future of ‘Trek’ is dependent on this movie
2) The idea of ‘Trek’ is different than ‘Star Wars’ and ‘90210′ but I guess they have added elements from both to get more people to the theater to make more money
3) Yes, I like scantly clothed Zoe, and the idea of Kirk making out with someone is of course OK within a story, but I’m embarassed for Trek that the promoters have included those scenes in the trailer as if to say “come to Star Trek, we have sex stuff in the film
4) The new Enterprise is ugly. Should have used a variation closer to the the original. Missed a goose bump moment.
6) The movie looks fun and this stage…as a popcorn movie…but I don’t see Star Trek.
Wasn’t sure what to expect from this trailer and had some mixed feelings about some of the news and images over the east few weeks, but in all honesty having watched it for the first time today… it looks awesome.
I have been watching the HD version since it went up earlier today. I accidentally closed it and now on the apple site the links are all messed up. Trailer 2 links (480,720,1080) all show the teaser trailer. Trailer 1 links show the cloverfield trailer!!!
GRRR
Is that a Klingon fighting Sulu at 1:33?
Far, far superior to the bootlegged copy I’d seen over the weekend. I’m thoroughly stunned by the visuals — can’t wait to see how these quick cuts are integrated into the film!
The http://www.startrekmovie.com/ site still says 1D 3H 45M to go?
Also on the apple site it seems some of the HD trailers are for cloverfield.
Anyone else having trouble with the links etc?
They took the trailer offline or something. The only trailers on the site are the original teaser and one for Cloverfield.
http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/startrek/large_trailer2.html
^ HD trailer
So the only reason to have the big E built on Earth was to be able to have Kirk ride up and see it on a motorcycle…lol…at sunset. Top Gun cliche moment. Weren’t some of you saying that these writers use too many cliches?
I downloaded the 1080p version of the trailer, then ran it through VisualHub to create a DVD version with stereo. Looks awesome on my 37″ HDTV. :P
The trailer music is “Down with the Enterprise” by Two Steps from Hell from their Legend II collection.
the car roof being a continuity error is only true if the shots in the trailer are directly after each other in the movie, which i very much doubt, given that he steals the car in one and is being chased in the next, we can assume things happen inbetween, such as his putting the top back.
Weird, my name isn’t automatically popping up again.
#187: Couldn’t agree more — that is a helluva line. And Urban delivers it so well!!
#199, 212: I noticed the glare too — it appears to be lens flare from the big light toward the right of the frame. I’m a photographer and have encountered that before with headlights and other sources. It’s a nice touch of realism.
Something doesn’t add up here, I think I saw Sulu and Chekov on the bridge with Pike. But as far as I know, neither Sulu nor Chekov were under his command …………. and where is no. 1 ?
In case no one has mentioned it, the weird moving thing over the nacelle support at 58 seconds is a glare from the light towers at the right, like a lens glare. Oh, and I like seeing the United Federation of Planets logo in this seen too, on the buildings.
I’ve been a Trekker for 38 years now and when I saw this I had tears streaming down my face! What a thrill ride we’re going to have! Gene would have loved this!
Umm, I just went on the official apple site. Did someone hack in and replace the trailer with a trailer for Cloverfield? Because that’s what I saw.
Is apple playing some kind of game. i’m getting the cloverfield trailer or the old teaser when I click on the hd links!
I’m glad to see it in HD. Now I can look at it slower and frame by frame. Neat. More to see if you slow it down.
I just went on the site. Did someone hack in and replace the Trek trailer with the trailer for cloverfield?
I hope they make a better movie with the real trek after this one…
this is not real star trek..
this is… well its interesting but its not star trek…
It looks eerily like Nimoy in the scen with his mom, but it’s either Sarek or young Spock. This guy doesn’t have the turkey thing swinging under his chin [at least I don't see it in my screencap].
Downloading the trailer is easy. Temporarily install Real Player 11 [don't keep it long, it's invasiveware] with the download box checked.
Go to the site and a blue ‘download this clip’ box will pop up.
Download it and then uninstall Real Player 11.
Hmm the corvette scene with the spedometer reminds me of the gone in 60 seconds part in the movie.. vroom vroom lol
[209] Nimoy is not in the Trailer.
Hi all,
I saw the trailer before Bond on Fri. and have been watching and rewatching it online. It’s different then I expected but I’m really excited about it! I’m particularly looking forward to seeing Kirk and Spock interact.
:-)
211– I dont know it is doing it to me too. Wasn’t earlier! Maybe to many people watching???
That robo-cop is really, really, really cool.
*gives McCoy a warm hug*
209:
Nimoy is NOT in the trailer. English actor Ben Cross, who plays Sarek, is.
I wonder what percentage of the Bond box office was just Trek fans coming to see the trailer ?
Because Star Trek died when Enterprise was canceled.
Seriously, people need to get over the idea that Star Trek CAN’T change. For God’s sake, Star Trek, for as good as it has been, as good as TOS, TNG, and DS9 are, lack seriously in comparison to other sci-fi franchises. Simply put, Star Wars, for as much a huge Star Trek fan I have and always will be, is better than Star Trek. Star Wars is reality, Star Trek is idealism. And that’s fine that Star Trek is idealistic. After all, it is Star Trek.
But, lest we not forget, this isn’t the 1960s. People don’t like happy-go-lucky stuff. They want hard reality. That’s what I want. I want to know what’s going on in the politics of the Federation. I want to see what I saw on DS9.
Star Trek was fitting for its time. The 1960s and late 80s to mid 90s. But, by Enterprise, when they tried to create a story based on real life, it was a total bust and ruined the series. In other words, the concept needs reinvigoration.
It’s a silly assumption that some how, because we’re seeing more of the Wagon Trail to the Stars than we are utopian Earth (which was never very utopian anyway), people won’t be able to see the ideal united Earth with the Vulcans and Andorians and various allies under the United Federation of Planets. Because, I have no doubt, much like the Old Republic, people will be able to recognize this in the movie.
By the way, the Giants did in fact defeat the Patriots in the Super Bowl. Percentages and over/unders are pointless. See the damn movie.
To the few haters that say things like “I’ll wait for netflix” or “they won’t be getting my $11″… YOU ARE FULL OF IT.
You expect anyone to believe that you would spend your time commenting on a Star Trek site months before the film comes out but not go see the new film once it hits cinemas? BS.
You are small and powerless and this is the only way to get express anything close to control. Sad. Annoying. Just dishonest.
The film looks to me like it will be amazing. If it doesn’t to you just say so but don’t lie about how you won’t “support” it. No one cares. you are like a vesitgial organ. Pointless.
Touble with the site today huh? Not posting correctly?
U CAN SEE SPOCK IN THE TRAILER…..
IF U SEE THE SCENE WHERE QUINTO’S SPOCK IS CARRYING A WOMAN (MAYBE HIS MOTHER?)
IF U PAUSE IT AND LOOK BEHIND HIM.. U CAN SEE NIMOY’S SPOCK .. HELPING A OLDER VULCAN (SAREK?)
MAYBE ITS JUST ME … BUT THATS WHAT I INTERPRETED!
What a trailer… full on HD awesomeness. Seriously, what a superb job these guys look to have done- I just can’t wait to see this film, it’s going to be a revolution for Star Trek, one we’ve waited so long for but been let down time and time again on with the crap they put out in the last ten years.
I so hope boborci, JJ and Alex aren’t put on a downer when the canonites cry havoc in feedback threads like these, I have no doubt their whinging voices will be silenced by a smash box office this film is going to generate.
ok to all the dorks who are talking about “continuity errors” in the trailer. It’s a trailer. It’s cut to be fast paced and quick. it does not show full scenes. find something else to hate on that doesn’t make you look like a dummy.
hmm, strange that simon pegg’s accent is being criticised, sounds authentic scottish to me! maybe u guys are too used to american actors trying to attempt this accent.
I am very much what some refer to as a “canonista”. However, it seems to me that everything which takes place after the attack upon the USS Kelvin by Romulan villains from the distant future is subject to change from the way it played out in the timeline with which we are all so familiar.
That’s fine. In fact, it certainly seems to mesh with what Bob Orci said here long ago—”Anything which appears to violate canon will have a canon explanation.”
The existence and potential for alternate timelines being created as a result of interference with the past has been in itself canon for more than 4 decades (”City On The Edge Of Forever”, “Tommorow Is Yesterday”, etc.).
I cannot see how anyone who has as much fun with ‘canon’ as I do could possibly argue that ‘canon’ is being violated here.
It seems a reasonable conclusion that James Kirk’s father (along with a young Christopher Pike) was aboard the USS Kelvin during the attack, and did something to distinguish himself which did not occur in the previous timeline. There is even cause to believe that he was killed, and that Pike takes an interest in the younger Kirk that he otherwise did not in the timeline we know.
Kirk’s rise to command of the Enterprise takes a very different path, it would seem. Obviously, his father’s absence has a significant ripple effect upon his development. His entry into Starfleet Academy is delayed, for one.
(”Where No Man Has Gone Before”)—Kirk may never teach a class at the Academy, and therefore never meet Gary Mitchell there (or any young blonde lab technician)
(”The Conscience Of The King”)—Kirk may never live on Taursus or experience the acts of Kodos The Executioner.
(”Obsession”)—Kirk may never serve aboard the USS Farragut under Captain Garrovick.
(”A Piece Of The Action”)—Some convirgence of circumstances may allow young Jim Kirk to learn a skill he never learned in the previous timeline, namely how to operate a manual transmission on an automobile.
(”Court-Martial”)—Kirk may never serve aboard the USS Republic, and thus never earn the wrath of a jealous and vengeful officer named Ben Finney.
(”The Menagerie”)—There may not be any fight on Rigel VII, and for that matter, the Enterprise may never travel to Talos IV (although Vina would still be rescued by the Talosians 6 years before the timeline incursion). Furthermore, Kirk obviously has a much more significant relationship with Christopher Pike than he did before.
(”Shore Leave”)—-Since Kirk’s entry into SFA is delayed, he most likely never meets, nor is he tormented by, an upperclassman named Finnegan.
I have seen it argued here that Chekov’s first voyage could not possibly take place under Pike. Well, who is to say that Pike does not remain in command much longer in this timeline than he did before? After all, the ripple effects of the timeline incursion will not merely affect JTK.
I have yet to see anything seemingly contradictory that suggests the absence of a canonical explanation.
The writers have handed the director a huge canon loophole…and I think it’s going to be alot of fun, whether Orci’s “final solution” ends up restoring all or much of the original timeline’s course of events or not.
RE: Comments
Guys I have been ‘caching’ this page due to the EXTREMELY high traffic. This means that comments are recorded but not immediately displayed. So be patient
Hey, McCoy, quit living in the past… if the star trek of the past was such a big seller (yeah, these people are in it for the money) they wouldn’t have redone it this way. When they drove TNG into the ground with the movies and looked back at the failure of Enterprise and Voyager, they took a good look at what would update Trek to a new generation. Evolution. When they invented the bow and arrow, I’m sure they thought that was great, but now, well…
This is the kind of trek movie I’ve been waiting for. Big, Epic, Action Packed and from everything I’ve seen, still Gene’s vision of the future. Humanity has evolved!!!
One possible Easter egg is the sound effects on the new site are very similar to the whale song effects from Star Trek IV. Awesome site and great looking TREK Movie!
(man, retyping in my name again and again gets annoying quick)
Stuff I noticed:
The License plate for the Kirkmobile:IOWA plate then several panels of numbers. Obviously the old plates just couldn’t hold enough numbers anymore. Or maybe it’s some special deal for such an antique car.
The infamous “Canyon” appears to have been cut in there. Further hinting that it is a quarry of some kind or maybe the future location of the “Enterprise Shipyard”
Couldn’t tell if Kirk Kid has the same shoes as Marty McFly to go along with the shirt
Sign in the bottom right when Jim is on his bike looking at the Enterprise: “AUTHORIZED PERSONNEL ONLY”. Can’t make anything else out.
One of the shuttles in that Docking Bay is labeled 1701/A. Meaning it’s probably just Ship A of the enterprise.
Still not sure what the ship that looks vaguely like the Star Wars “Slave One” is.
HOLY HELL! Those are Klingons (either that or it’s some type of headpiece). Nice mix of the Ridges and the Flatheaded.
Jim gets a Orion Babe. Like there was every any doubt.
The Kelvin was getting attacked by FIGHTERS!
Good thing I’m off work- I’ve been sitting here for hours using NERO (ha!) 8 to do some heavy screen cappin’!
Observations–
JJ loves those lens flares.
That warp effect is a work of art!
In fact, as far as space stuff goes, ILM has really outdone themselves, it seems- nice ‘n “dirty” battles.
I only like the bridge because it reminds me of the “A” bridge at the end of The Voyage Home- too bad they couldn’t have kept it that way. (They used it as the battle bridge in TNG.)
The new E looks better than I thought, it was a mistake to release that cropped, wide-angle distorted initial photo as the FIRST.
NO HD VERSION! Just trick links.
Trailer 1 HD – CLOVERFIELD
Trailer 2 HD – The ST Teaser Trailer.
I WANNA SEE THIS IN FULL 1080P and I already own a full version of Quicktime. Anthony, What’s gives?
PS. The lesser resolutions work and all I can say is WOW! but I want to see the Enterprise being built in Max. Res.
regards
KevinA
Melbourne Australia
Any Issues with the car being 200 years old is silly. There are builders right now, that make ships that look hundreds of years old. Where do you think they got the ships for Disney’s Pirate movies?
Many car builders right now build retro cars, and there are smaller companies that make exact copies of classic cars, like cobras and super-sevens.
How do we know Kirk’s car is the real thing? It could just be a copy of a classic ancient design.
BTW: That’s not Nimoy in the trailer, it’s Ben Cross playing Sarek!
Oh, and in the “loading bay” shot, one of the cadets has a head that is definitely not human. Looks like you put a miniature Jabba the Hutt on top of him.
I didn’t have a problem with how young Kirk said his name. I took it as being cocky and perhaps proud of it and sort of “who wants to know anyway”.
Love the trailer. We heard for the past several days how so many of the previous Trek trailers showed too much and now some people bitch about this one not showing enough.
Jeez!
#247 – I don’t think it’s Nimoy. He’s a little hard to make out, but I’d recognise him if it was.
Here’s my guess as to why Uhura takes off her shirt.
Not a sex scene.
My guess is that the Orion girl is rooming with Uhura.
She returns to her quarters, surprising Kirk and Orion girl.
Jim hides under the bed.
Uhura takes off her shirt because she thinks she’s alone with the Orion chick.
Only thing that makes sense to me.
# 179 — I am part Scottish actually! Guess that doesn’t make me an expert!
I am basing my comment on one sentence from a trailer — Mr. Pegg may end up doing a half-way decent job throughout the film and I hope he does. However he does it though his accent cannot be as bad as Mel Gibson in Braveheart! Moreso, have you heard George Takei reading one of the audio books? His Scotty sounds like he is from India!
# 179 — I am part Scottish actually! Guess that doesn’t make me an expert!
I am basing my comment on one sentence from a trailer — Mr. Pegg may do a half-way decent job throughout the film and I hope he does. However he does it, his accent cannot be as bad as Mel Gibson in Braveheart! Moreso, have you heard George Takei reading one of the audio books? His Scotty sounds like he is from India!
Oh, and one of the shots was of the Kelvin RAMMING the Romulan Cthulhu ship! It would appear that Picard went to the George Kirk school of tactics.
OK… I have now seen the trailer.
So where are all the screen caps? I can’t find any online anywhere, apart from some low-res ones.
There’s a slightly shorter TV promo on RottenTomatoes.com
car chase=cool
car=very cool
kid driving car=cool
kid telling cop his middle name=a little hokey
cop driving hoverbike=very cool, nice contrast with car.
cop wearing Breen mask=extremely juvenile and a big put off. Belongs in a transformers movie, not Star Trek. Re film that scene JJ, quick! Just have the cop approach without the dumb mask.
Enterprise in shipyard=cool, but could have been lots better with a more TOS -like design.
Hm, none of my posts got through, and I’m sure I’ve seen atleast one of them posted.
Anyhow… It seems that the paths to the “secret” five wallpapers have been changed.
http://www.startrekmovie.com/downloads/images/d24_1920.jpg
With d24-26 and 31, 32 were hidden wallpapers, but now they are apparently deleted :)
has anyone noticed that the cliffs in the beginning sequence look very MAN MADE. It doesnt seem to be a natural rock formation at all. The rocks….or blocks rather are very geometrical in shape and order. Large cubes that have been stacked high on one another.
Any thoughts?
#213:
“1) I don’t buy the idea that the future of ‘Trek’ is dependent on this movie.”
You would be wrong. If this movie flops, Paramount will not invest anymore $$$ into this franchise for some time, if ever.
LOL there’s an Airtrax Sidewinder http://www.airtrax.com/vehicles/sidewinder.shtml in the scene with the cadets being transferred.
Nerdily beautiful detail at 1:15 – 1:17 if you frame-by-frame… the rightmost shuttle has a Romulan rocket closing in on it. The rocket is blown up at the last second by a red phaser blast from the Kelvin.
The clip would indicate that, despite the turrets, phasers are still solid red beams.
I love that after shooting a brief establishing shot at Vasquez Rocks in ST VI, we now see similar locations all over the Vulcan location. Maybe even an implication that they were created by the Romulan attack in this movie.
Does Iowa have any gigantic canyons like that? Maybe it’s left from the Xindi attack, in a nod to Enterprise?
some things i could only pick up in HD:
0:22 – looks like the “canyon” is more of a quarry or a mine. if it has been chiseled out of the earth, why? why is it gated off? what’s at the bottom?
1:17 – there are many, many more bridge stations than we’ve seen in previous incarnations of trek. i wonder if we’ll get some indication of what they do.
1:20 – spock rescuing his mother, aged since the earlier shot of her in the trailer? she looks like an older winona ryder in the HD version, but the head scarf makes it hard to tell for sure.
1:21 – Nero’s switchblade staff definitely reminds me of those klingon knives we see flip open in later trek. possible klingon cultural connection?
1:30 – ship with tails/propeller on the back. could be spock’s time ship, but it matches the “tentacled” look they seem to be giving nero related stuff.
1:33 – in one frame you can tell that the alien sulu is “fencing” with has pointy ears .. so probably nero, but maybe some other romulan.
1:36 – nero’s prison guard helmets really do look klingon.
1:39 – looks like the kelvin is actually ramming the big, bad tentacle ship.
Has anyone noticed the the cliffs in the beginning sequence look quite MAN MADE? The rocks….or blocks rather, look very geometrical in shape and order. Large cues that are stacked high in a very specific design.
Any thoughts?
IGN HAS A TV SPOT UP:
http://movies.ign.com/dor/objects/692255/star-trek/videos/startrek_spot1_111708.html
Looks like a shorter version of the trailer, but cool none the less!
I’ve spotted a few interesting things after watching the trailer in HD.
1) The new Enterprise design actually looks pretty faithful to the original when seen in action. Especially from the front, which is the angle it’s shown most during the trailer.
2) I may be wrong, but the bridge viewscreen looks to actually be a window. Maybe JJ heard what Nick Meyer always used to say about wishing it was actually a window instead of basically a big monitor.
3) Kirk can be seen briefly wearing a regular uniform with Captain’s stripes at one point in the trailer, instead of the all black Cadet uniform (the part where he says “buckle up” to Spock). That means that he makes the jump from Cadet to Captain during the course of the movie. It may also mean that Pike dies in this movie as well.
Just like my brother-in-law, it don’t work!
Anthony,
Do you know anything about the change in production partners for the film? Level 1 was listed as a production partner in the teaser but is missing in the credits of the new trailer. Now on the official website, Spyglass Entertainment is listed next to Bad Robot and Paramount. Quite curious.
245 – Although I have also mocked the crying ones (save the wails!), they do add something to this site. The “Get A Life” joke is not funny unless it is true.
I can only get the Cloverfield trailer, and the original Trek teaser on HD. What’s going on over at Apple?
#267 “cop wearing Breen mask=extremely juvenile and a big put off.”
I like very much the idea of robots used as cops. The head is a nice design. Futuristic but primitive if compared to Dr. Soong works.
#274: That canyon was created by the Xindi weapon :)))
I like the new E. I think the lighter colors add to the optimism that JJ is talking about and the inside looks cool with the primary colors of the uniforms.
:-)
#227
Ha….welcome to the party!!
How can you spend so much time and effort on an advert for a massive film like this and make a mistake, the 2nd shot of Spock attacking Kirk the film is backwards spocks badge is on the wrong side?
Wonder what happened to Level 1 Entertainment since they were suppose to be co producing the movie. On one of the new wallpapers I noticed it has Spyglass Entertainment now has a co producer of the movie.
252, it seems as though you’ve come to a conclusion without any evidence and then search for irrelevant points to support the conclusion YOU MADE UP! There is NOTHING so far that indicates this movie is a new timeline, you seem like a child who has had a nightmare so he snuggles with his teddybear, in this case that teddybear is the parallel universe theory.
Let’s say I’m back in ancient times and I think that the Earth is flat. If I see evidence that the Earth is round, I’m not going to say that sometime in the past I entered an alternate universe in which the Earth appears round. That’s just ridiculous, and proving that alternate universes are possible (which is what you are doing) doesn’t actually prove ANYTHING about whether what we’re viewing IS an alternate universe.
Using Occam’s Razor, I believe that the universe in the new movie is the same universe as in TOS and all other star trek media on TV and the movies, but for story and aesthetic reasons has changed. Mainly, because it is a TV show. We know THAT for sure.
All the contrary Mary’s need to chill.
The only gripe I have is the horrible kerning between the L and the V on the hull of the USS Kelvin. How’s that for nitpicking? But you’d think in a future where money is obsolete Starfleet could afford to hire a graphic designer to do the letter setting on their starships. And you’d think JJ Abrams would have caught a detail like that. What is this, the menu at the local Chinese restaurant?
Just nitpicking. What a great trailer, though.
Those are, in fact, Klingons that Nero is taking out. Confirmed by JJ Abrams on http://www.empireonline.com.
Also, note the shot of Amanda and Sarek (with Amanda reclining). She’s holding a blanket swaddled Spock, I’m certain.
http://kepfeltoltes.hu/081117/984956599vlcsnap-00001_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.png
As mentioned above, new trailer not available in HD 1080. If that button is selected, you get to view the OLD trailer. I hope someone is reading these blogs and will fix this problem. I’d like to see the new trailer in 1080 HD. Other than that, Looks great!
Corridor from “The Andromeda Strain”
http://picasaweb.google.com/stefan.bruemmer/AndromedaStrain#5194323360694594386
244:
There’s much here, bear with me.
“Seriously, people need to get over the idea that Star Trek CAN’T change.”
Very true. This is a re-imagining, and there’s no way to get around it. Fans need to expect things to change. On the other hand I think it’s fair to expect those involved with the production to respect the 40 years of history that made people fans in the first place.
“For God’s sake, Star Trek, for as good as it has been, as good as TOS, TNG, and DS9 are, lack seriously in comparison to other sci-fi franchises. Simply put, Star Wars, for as much a huge Star Trek fan I have and always will be, is better than Star Trek. Star Wars is reality, Star Trek is idealism. And that’s fine that Star Trek is idealistic. After all, it is Star Trek.”
This does not follow however. Star Wars is not remotely realistic. If anything, Star Trek is the one grounded in reality. It would be fairer to say that both franchises are exercises in fantasy: Star Wars is a morality play about good and evil, while Star Trek deals with a very optimistic view of humanity and what it means to be human. Simply based on their premises, it’s hard to argue that one is better than another. Nor do I follow your argument that Trek “lacks in comparison to all other Sci-Fi franchises.” How, in what way? What franchises? Stargate, BSG, Buck Rogers?
“But, lest we not forget, this isn’t the 1960s. People don’t like happy-go-lucky stuff. They want hard reality. That’s what I want. I want to know what’s going on in the politics of the Federation. I want to see what I saw on DS9.”
You may want hard reality and inside politics, others may want escapism. I like DS9, but remember, not every episode was “In the Pale Moonlight.” They also had “Trials and Tribble-ations” and “Our Man Bashir.” Trek can and should be free to move between genres. I’m hoping to see how the Spock/Kirk/Bones triad comes together. And I want to see some action. I don’t want to see big strategic negotiations and intrigue.
“See the damn movie.”
That we agree on.
Any notice Uhura taking her top off?
#202
Actually, I think it was inspired by Kirk’s orbital skydiving scene that was cut from Generations, which was the inspiration for the Voyager episode.
#277
The gold uniform he wears actually only has 3 stripes, so it means he’s a commander, not a captain at that point. Anyone in the command chain wears gold, regardless of rank.
What Leonard Nimoy in the teaser at all?
295: “Any notice Uhura taking her top off?”
OMG that’s such a modern-day bra. I can’t believe the writers wouldn’t respect the history of Trek like that. Clearly Uhura should be wearing a reverse-modulated transphasic reinforcing bosom field!
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good lord folks, it looks great. funny how ipods and everything else from apple is the coolest gear around that you all buy, then JJ incorporates it into the bridge and what do you do?……………………..moan moan moan moan moan moan moan moan moan moan moan moan moan moan moan moan moan moan moan moan moan moan moan moan moan moan moan moan moan moan moan moan moan moan moan moan moan moan moan moan. he could have based it on windows vista so be thankful
#277, in the scene where Kirk says “Buckle Up” I believe he is actually talking to McCoy, but he’s only in the scene for a couple frames, but it really doesnt look like Spock
Sweet very happy, notice the older TOS style constitution class secondary hulls when the E warps into the big space battle
Notice the Klingons apparently returned to their wonderful TOS human fiendish Ottoman-Commie- Mogol looks and the ridges are only a part of the decorative headpiece armor they wear. At the very least the ridges will be more subtle ala General Chiang. In one of the earlier spy photos it appears Sulu is fighting a baddie with very subtle riges so maybe some Klingons are allied with Nero as well. – NICE
Notice Nero is a prisoner of the Klingons
Notice big grand canyon like bluffs in the background as young Ani-Kirk dupms Pappy’s vette into the chasim. I suspect this is the grand Canyon and young Jim tore ass out of Iowa to drive to Starfleet Command for some reason. The Robocop catches up with him somewhere in Utah, Colorado??
Notice the Kelvin not only gets pummled but Rams it’s advesarry as well and will be destroyed
Her’s my take after patiently sipping up all the inuendo and bits and pieces we have been fed.
1. Nero is a prisoner of the Klingons in the Next Genie future (possibly because he was involved in some plot to reignite tensions with the Klingons and was captured) where he is plotting away to erase Spock’s sizable influence on his homeworld that is becoming less of his beloved Militaristic Dictatorship and more akin to a Democracy or at least less overtly aggressive with Vulcan and the Federation. Nero wants to go back in time and destroy Vulcan as well as the gretest Trek Captain of all time,, James T. Kirk. Somehow Nero busts out with the help of his supporters (Some may be Klingon – as it appears Sulu is fighting a Klingon with very subtle ridges)
2. Nero travels back in time with his cadre of militarists as well as the newest even more ugly Romulan super deadly prototype battleship (or he has stolen a much larger Shadow Vessel from B5)
3. Nero’s first attempt to destroy Vulcan and possibly Kirk’s Daddy serving as first officer aboard the Kelvin is thwarted (mostly) in that the Kelvin prevents the destruction but Kirk’s daddy dies ramming the Kelvin into the Romulan Shadow vessel (Kirk’s pregers with JT mom screaming as she hears the news- this creates the first time anomoly in which Kirk’s father dies and there are some subtle and not so subtle changes in the timeline. Kirk is raised by a douche bag of an uncle rather than his more heroic father and thus becomes more rebelious and enter the Acad later than he was intended to. (No Kodos never went with parents to live on Tarsus, no republic, no Farragut other previous ship assignments) Grew up with even more of a badboy streak because of the lack of his Father’s influence. Had to be talked into joining the acad later in his life, ect.
4. Enterprise is more of an experiment created specifically to deal with the threat the Kelvin dealt with years ago she has been in development for years. Pike is given command at the time of the renewed crisis. He may die in this somewhere (No beep Beep no Vina) and an emotional Spock is forced into command. We know Spock Nimoy will know this and tells Kirk to make him go nutty so Kirk can assume command to save the day.
5. Spock is alerted to Nero’s intentions in the future and travels back to stop him or more likely cameo warn them and tell them what they need to do to stop him
6. The almost ready to go Enterprise (She’s always almost ready to go ya know) is alerted to Nero’s second time jump attempt this time to destroy vulcan with a core death star drill. The Old school fleet (notice the Constitution class secondary hulls in the battlefield) is wiped out and only the new prototype Enterprise (maybe built with some info from future spock) can handle the Nero Shadow vessel.
7. Enterprise arrives as the death star drill burrows into Vulcan, Spock beams down to save his parents. Kirk beams down to diable the drill with sulu and redshirts (soon to die) Kirk and Sulu destroy the drill, beams up with Spock and Sarek and Amanda and then the Kirk Vs. Khan like spacebattle takes place in which Kirk outfoxes Nero and blows him to hell
8. Pike is dead or wants to retire, Kirk is the youngest to ever recive a captaincy. Basically he goes from the Academy to the Captaincy because of his heroism and saving the galaxy which is what he does
9. TIme line has many subtle altered aspects but is essentially similar. And the adventure continues
Wonderful.
Truly is the epic that star trek has been waiting oh so long for.
#268
Depending on what that bike can do, the helmet might make sense as an oxygen system.
Maybe young Kirk is trashing his bad Uncle’s prized possession. In any event, guys, it’s not vintage. He wouldn’t be able to buy gas for it. So it’s a repro.
The idea that Transporters preceded Replicators technologically is plain stupid. A replicator is to a transporter what a phonograph is to a telephone. So it’s safe to assume that one of the technologies that eliminates money from ST’s future economy is the replicator.
Therefore, owning a replicated vintage Corvette wouldn’t be that big of a deal. But it could still piss off your non-dad.
Also, everytime I visit the official site the countdown actually moves backward. It was 1 hour this morning, then I went back about an hour and a half later and it was 1 day, 1 hour. I just went again and it says 1 day, 4 hours. What’s going on there? PS – I’m in the US, so that’s not it.
I wanted to point out a suggestion for all those nit-picking canon . Like for example, Sulu and Chekov serving with Pike.
Although we don’t know the whole plot, from reviews of the 20minutes and from this trailer and from interviews with the writers/producer, this is my theory:
The movie starts off in the TNG era…. stuff happens, yada, yada, the Romulans go back in time, Spock follows at some point…
The Rolumans arrive back in time and in a battle, they destroy the Kelvin killing Kirk’s dad. This event, since it didn’t originally happen, changes alot of the time line. This happens when Kirk is either very young, or his mother is still pregnant with him.
This event would cause all kinds of changes… and basically for the movie, i’m betting that those fans that are knowledgeable about Star Trek would need to understand that everything from that point forward (while in the Star Trek universe) is changed.
Kirk goes through a “rebel without a cause” phase being mad at the world for his dad dying… this delay’s his normal entry into Star Fleet and also causes Pike to be more of a mentoring figure in his life.
This would alow alot of things to change and not conflict with canon.
Then (so not to have a magic “reset” moment), Spock comes back in time to try to set things right at the end by getting the young Kirk to take his rightfull place as Capt of the Enteprise and remove young Spoke from command.
This puts the timeline back on course somewhat, but Spock for whatever reason, isn’t able to completely keep the Romulan’s from doing what they did, and therefore the whole movie actually does take place. Because if there was a magic reste moment where everything goes back and none of it happened, audiences would be mad.
87, RoobyDoo:
I was thinking maybe the captain’s yacht?
Anthony where’s my post I spent 30 minutes writing it
As the line by young Kirk is contentious, perhaps the director should introduce himself as Jeffrey Jacob Abrams at his next publicity bash to reinforce the line. ;-)
Loving the trailer, the team has injected some massively needed “cool” back into Trek, and it looks like a proper movie.
But those corridors must have been a nightmare to keep clean.
Ok, I am officially geeked out over this movie!
Folks, I am so sorry that this movie seems to offend some of the fans’ sensibilities, but I am here to tell you that this is the movie that I wish I had sat down to watch in that theater back in 1979, when TMP came out! However, it was what it was, and now we have this, and it is going to totally rock!!!
No mater what happens, I think this movie is going to do what Star Trek has always done best, and that is to be an inspiration for the future generations ahead!
May Star Trek Continue to Live Long and Prosper!
It’s in the Nexus, where it will live forever!
glad to see more optimism than pessimism…have only seen it on my iPhone, can only imagine it on the big screen!
Damn ship is being run by a boatload of childern.
Another thing I’m liking…alot…is the camerawork here. TOS was well knows for lots of fuid cameraword on the bridge…lots of movement. And I’m seeing this is the footage for the trailer. Good job JJ, gald you rin the director’s chair!
Which ever timeline, and how it happens, Jim Kirk will rise to command the Enterprise. Neat idea.
The German Trailer, featuring an Introduction by JJ Abrams, is up on http://www.bild.de
251 – You beat me to it. I agree.
I love the new site. Reminds me of the Paramount Iron Man site last summer.
288…. simply put, you are wrong.
It has been common knowledge from the begining that this film deals with different timelines. That’s why Lenord Nimoy is in the film!! hello???
It is common knowledge that the Romulans travel back in time in this film and that changes things.
So, for you to say there is no evidence makes it obvious you haven’t been keeping up with what has been revealed about the plot of this film.
Oh yeah, i see a lot of people are extremely annoyed by everything to do with this movie.
#12 caught my eye.
But in fairness, if thats their opinion then they should stop reading this site and leaving comments as of now.
Most people are excited by this.
of course its different but people surrounding themselves with bitterness and anger aboutt his movie should go off and be bitter alone.
Im excited by this and it saddens me to read peoples comments trying to drag people down with them.
Its disgusting to be honest.
Only thing I’m unsure of is how the Enterprise will be able to beat the 24th century Romulan timeship, since it should be so much more advanced.
But it all looks awesome!!!!!!
Well I have watched them trailer a zillion times now and I think it looks fantastic!
I don’t understand why so many people have been saying that the Enterprise could not be built on a planet?
Why the hell not? CLEARLY the Enterprise is not damaged by the gravity of a planet. We’ve seen it flying over planets in almost every episode — sometimes even in the atmosphere. We have seen Enterprises flying near the sun! Surely I don’t have to tell you that the sun’s gravity is FAR greater than the earth’s?
And of course whenever we see an Enterprise in a space dock above earth, it’s still affected by gravity, just as it would be on the ground. Gravity doesn’t fade THAT quickly!
I just don’t understand why anyone would want to build a space ship that would fall apart if it got too close to a planet’s gravity. That would be the stupidest thing ever.
Building it on the ground, to me, makes perfect sense. It means you have all the resources there fore building it. It means you know for certain it is capable of landing and withstanding atmosphere, and everything checks out.
The only downside is that it’s harder to lift all the parts up to the ship if you build it on a planet — but then if you build it away from a planet, you have to transport the materials a WHOLE lot farther.
I am yet to read a rational, sensible reason why the Enterprise should be constructed in space, other than “canon”. I’d be interested to hear one.
From now on Im no longer going to be reading this forums, its gonna be fanboy nitpicking all the way from here till May and I have no interest in hearing people bitching if the red shirt is the right shade or not, or why was the corvette top up then down in 1 shot..if thats all you guys can get annoyed with then your really missing the point here..this film is going to be awesome whether or not its star trek, Im F***ing psyched.
bye
#251 – “I have yet to see anything seemingly contradictory that suggests the absence of a canonical explanation.”
Well, sure, if you include as a valid canonical explanation, “It’s a different universe and thus anything previously established doesn’t matter.” ;)
By that logic, anyone could just change anything, whether it makes sense or not, and if questioned, the answer could be, “But it’s just another alternate universe, what are you worrying about?” The logical extrapolation of that approach is that something could be reduced to complete chaos, and the canonical explanation is that every episode, or every movie, or whatever, is a different universe.
The end result is the same, though: consistency and continuity are blown out the window. Now, if one doesn’t care about that, I guess it’s a non-issue. For those who do, though, the explanation is merely excuse-making. Doesn’t mean that the alternate view might not be fun on its own merits (I enjoyed the Myriad Universes anthologies just fine. :) ), but it contributes nothing to the ongoing mythos.
#271 – ““1) I don’t buy the idea that the future of ‘Trek’ is dependent on this movie.”
You would be wrong. If this movie flops, Paramount will not invest anymore $$$ into this franchise for some time, if ever.”
So? As we’ve already seen, the future of Star Trek is not only not dependent on one movie, it’s no longer really dependent on Paramount…if it ever was.
@252 – I would tend to agree with all of your assertions, and would add that perhaps it’s possible that Chekov was actually born earlier in the alternate timeline, making him older (although still an ensign, probably just a few years younger than Kirk).
Also, I would add to the argument that, in the scene where Kirk looks up at the Enterprise under construction, *that* is the moment that gets him into Star Fleet Academy. And since things like this take a loooooooong time to build (a typical fighter jet takes between 24 and 30 months, for example), it’s possible that Kirk could have joined SFA after he witnessed the Big E’s construction, and was brought aboard several years after it was completed (we have to assume he didn’t jump straight out of the academy to a captaincy – there had to have been several years of service before he was promoted).
Of course, I’m blowing smoke right now, not having seen the movie – but I’m interested in seeing Orci’s “canon explanation” for non-canon events, and frankly I’m pumped to see this thing. May 9 can’t come soon enough!
Hey I have found the Nero background on the website but it says i need a login to save it. Anyone know what it is? Cant wait to see this the trailer has blown me away.
This is the most epic-looking Trek movie since The Motion Picture, and the best version of Trek I could have desired, ever since reading “Star Trek: The New Voyages” in the late 1970s.
BTW, if they ever do a Classic Trek TV series spinoff of this movie, they *must* adapt “Mind-Sifter” from that book. It is the best Trek short story I’ve ever read, and one of the best short stories in any genre I’ve ever read, period.
Star Trek was dying and *desperately* needed an infusion of new energy. I believe we’re witnessing it.
#323
It is also easier for the crew building the ship to work.
For all of the canon junkies out there, it is established that it is still very difficult, even in the 24th century, to move around and work in a space suit in zero-g and no atmosphere. They sure weren’t moving around very well in First Contact. I don’t personally find “canon” as definitive as some (it’s already so riddled with inconsistencies that it’s impossible to stay true to all of it), but at least there is some basis that should satisfy people.
[325] – So? As we’ve already seen, the future of Star Trek is not only not dependent on one movie, it’s no longer really dependent on Paramount…if it ever was.
What exactly do you mean by this? If is dependent on Paramount. It is their property. As far as film and TV futures. There is no Star Trek TV show on and no plans for any. If this movie flops there will not be any TV show or movie for at least five years.
things have calmed down I have turned off the caching
I SINCERLY HOPE the final movie will dispel my feeling, that I can’t just get rid of — that they took Star Trek and made another tough-guys-with-sexy-girls-save-the planet-from-bad-alien-vilain shit out of it………..
#297
Actually, it’s 2 solid stripes and one dotted stripe. In the original series, that was the rank insignia for a Captain, and since these uniforms are based on those, it’s definitely a Captain’s stripes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:FlanstosCaptain.jpg
If there is another trailer, which there certainly could be since the movie doesn’t premiere for another six months, I would hope that it includes classic TOS catchphrases like “Kirk to Enterprise,” Fascinating,” “Illogical”, “He’s dead, Jim,” and “I’m a doctor, not a …”
@297 – I’d surmise that the rank stripes on Kirk’s uniform are two broad and one thinner stripe – like in TOS, except the middle stripe was dashed. Note in the first production still of the Bridge with McCoy standing by the center seat – his stripes are one broad and one thin (in TOS, a Lt. Cmdr. had one solid stripe and one dashed). And Spock’s uni has two broad stripes. So I think the rank stripe system is pretty consistent with TOS.
Gawd, I sound like such a geek. :-)
Trailer…in…HD…oh…my…
Do you think things get this heated on the Knight Rider boards?
Seeing it at 1080 is pretty amazing. But I did notice a few things…
Does young Kirk die his hair? Cause his roots are showing. Plus if you fall that far off a cliff… um… you’re going over. Momentum and all.
At 1:17 to the right of the bridge door looks like a guy is just standing there taking a wiz. That’s an odd spot for a urinal.
Also at 1:17 in the center of the nav console between the two salad shooters, appears to be either a roll of duct tape or an small slide carousel from a 70’s slide projector.
At 1:19 Spock appears to be holding a communicator, or shaver.
At 1:26 Ironman appears… cool.
At 1:32 Why does Uhura wear a 20th Century bra, for 23rd Century breasts?
At 1:40 are we in the Mirror Mirror universe where the insignias are on the wrong side?
Just my thoughts…
#297 – “The gold uniform he wears actually only has 3 stripes, so it means he’s a commander, not a captain at that point. Anyone in the command chain wears gold, regardless of rank.”
I think it depends on how closely they’re emulating the Original Series rank stripes. If they’re staying pretty close to it, the three stripes, especially if the middle one is thinner than the others, would be pretty much spot-on for a captain’s rank.
ps. 299, I love you.
AWESOME!
The ship needs to be built on the ground for the simple fact that the story requires it — it is the one sure way to “connect” the enterprise emotionally with the great ship building tradition. They said in the beginning that they were looking for ways to ground Star Trek firmly in OUR future, and not some generic future.
Seriously, how can we be prepared to accept that they’ve found a way to generate gravity on a ship (perpendicular to motion), but poo-poo the idea that they have ways of neutralizing gravity enough to built a huge ship on earth?
How can we see a great shot like the one we see in the trailer, and even CARE whether or not it makes sense when it has the emotional impact that it has!
Enjoy!!!!!
Believe it or not, this trailer has actually partially “converted” me to looking forward to this movie. The trailer actually looked pretty cool…maybe Star Trek will FINALLY go back to it’s roots of being considered “cool” and “acceptible” to REGULAR PEOPLE, just like TOS. Star Trek has been neutered over the years – it’s about time it grows a pair and becomes the action/adventure that it originally was!
I think they changed too much stuff, though – but that’s probably just part of the whole “alternate universe” thing they’ve got going on here.
I found both of the “easter eggs” (Nero wallpaper if you click on “Incoming Data” when it appears in the upper left-hand corner, and an Uhura wallpaper if you click on it in the lower right-hand corner), but for some reason they’re “Restricted Access.” How are we supposed to figure out the password?
This blew my socks off!! an awesome trailer and im so excited. well done JJ. Its all looking like the epic classic trek adventure weve all been waiting for.
Greg
UK
#330 – “[325] – So? As we’ve already seen, the future of Star Trek is not only not dependent on one movie, it’s no longer really dependent on Paramount…if it ever was.
What exactly do you mean by this? If is dependent on Paramount. It is their property. As far as film and TV futures. There is no Star Trek TV show on and no plans for any. If this movie flops there will not be any TV show or movie for at least five years.”
It’s really quite simple. Star Trek has done very well without a shred of studio support. It became a phenomenon long before the studio got back in gear. Even now, we haven’t gone more than a month at any given time without new, mass-produced Star Trek in well more than 20 years, and that includes the last 3. All one has to do is not think that Star Trek is limited to TV and movies, and it suddenly becomes a lot bigger and harder to kill. :)
331- Boss, I would hope that the bandwidth issues we have been experiencing with just this single bit of news is resolvable before May, 2009.
PS, I showed my recalcitrant son the trailer. Both of my sons are now going with me to the midnight showing on May 9, wherever we can get the tickets.
Hope springs eternal for the success of this project!!
Just a note – as the Corvette crashes through the gates, you can just barely make out the sign to the right, which looks to read “DANGER,” followed by “OPEN QUARRY AHEAD.”
So it’s a quarry he dumps the ‘Vette into.
I’m loving it even more. Just sent the link to a dear friend of mine who loves geek culture(tm) and she said: “This looks….pretty badass, actually. It feels like we’re getting the first SERIOUS look at Trek, ever. Plus Kirk is hottt.”
I think this will easily clear $70m opening weekend.
TREK IS BACK, my friends.
Eggs= Click the red dot (incoming) on “Home” and Nero wallpaper pops up. Click the red dot in “Video” and Uhura wallpaper pops up.
Why do I get goosebumps/cold chills every time I watch this..
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Extreme HALO jumps.
Cool.
#270 The sign at the closed road clearly states, that there’s a quarry ahead, so yes, the “canyon” is no caynon at all, but man made.
In the shot of Uhura getting changed, after gawping at her for a while i noticed her room has a modernised dividing screen through the middle just the like the old days.
Yes, one of easter eggs are Nero wallpepars when you click on Incomming Data. :)
Still sounds like Siberius…
296.
It was for sure the inspiration for the Voyager skydiving? Either way, I want to skydive sometime! I remember seeing that deleted scene from Generations… glad they deleted it.
“Boss, I would hope that the bandwidth issues we have been experiencing with just this single bit of news is resolvable before May, 2009.”
Firstly, I’m not your boss. If I were I would tell you, get back to work and stop surfing a trek site during work hours! ;)
RE: bandwidth
Well technically bandwidth isnt the issue, it is just the sheer number of people hitting the server (and database) after 10AM today, so it is more to do with ‘load’ and CPU. Since launching in summer of 2006 this site has gone through around five server upgrades at three different hosts. There are plans for another before next May, although some software updates may also do the trick.
When Kirk is in his Corvette driving down the road, if you look to the left hand side of the screen, you can see the same large structure that is next to older Kirk when goes to look at the Enterprise.
#269
Ya…the large formation on the right, looks like a building to me….I thought I was the only one that saw it
Here’s my thoughts on the corvette:
We’ve heard that Kirk has an abusive (or at least not nice) uncle. I’m going to guess the car belongs to him, and the reason Kirk drives it over the cliff is because he is pissed at this uncle and wants to destroy something important to him.
I’m just happy to see the Star Trek connection with Apple. This means that the new (old) Enterprise won’t be using Windows Vista. It may actually get out of the solar system if powered by Macs, instead of self-destructing as Sulu encounters multiple questions as to whether Administator Privledge should be granted to the helm and if he really wanted to push that button or if he was just reaching for Chekov’s leg.
but for some reason they’re “Restricted Access.” How are we supposed to figure out the password?
JJ did the same kinds of things with Cloverfield. You get creative.
For everyone who is getting all upset about the scene where Uhura is undressing…you’re automatically putting it out of context to what might be happening. Maybe it’s a scene where she’s just changing and then something happens in that scene, maybe it’s a character development moment or maybe one of the Klingons found their way into her room. You always have to consider how trailers make things look a certain way when they’re really not.
[355] – Still sounds like Siberius…
I guarantee that if you go to the doctor they will be able to detect at least a 20% hearing loss. I can even hear the “t” sound.
So, did I win one of the prizes ’cause I found three hidden images? :p
I don’t know why the Enterprise would be built next to a quarry, but maybe Kirk visits San Fran at a young age. He spots the Enterprise in the distance being built, and heads towards it, but the cop spots him and Kirk detours and the car goes over the cliff?
Found a video of a recording session for the music track used in the trailer. It’s from Two Steps From Hell’s Facebook page. Here’s the link:
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1029950224538
I love the trailer, and I think this new vision of Trek will be amazing!
It ’s a shame for each german that that the Bild Magazin has the first german trailer this newspaper is the worst grap in this country …
This is awesome. I don’t care what all the nay-sayers post here.. I LOVE it!!
Oh my gosh, I recognize Nero’s accent/way of speaking. it sounds like the accent used by Tom Hardy in ST:Nemesis.
Somebody at Apple needs a dressing down! The wrong HD trailer has been up there for hours now. It was ok to start with – I wish I hadn’t closed the window!
ps. my lame, completely unfounded guess re: uhura is that our boy Jimmy’s hiding under her bed after fooling around with her blonde Lab tech roommate, whose name rhymes with Daryl Snarkus.
#297
Three stripes is Captain. Two solid lines with a broken line in the middle.
one stripe=lieutenant,
one plus broken line is Lt. commander,
two solid stripes commander..
Does knowing this stuff make me weird or something?
“The wait is over…”
Well, I wish, but not quite… we still have about 6 months to go, darn it!!!
Bet no one knew this!!
HELLO PLEASE DOES ANYONE KNOW WHEN THE TRAILER WILL BE SHOWN IN UK CINEMAS PLEASE HELP.
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375.
WE HAD TO WAIT FOR BOND, SO YOU BRITS CAN WAIT FOR TRAILER! DEAL?
Awesome find, 366!
377.
Yeah like we wait for every other movie….
Anyone know what city is shown at :14?
Trailer HD with Subtitles in Spanish: (Spanish Version)
http://www.cardassiaprimera.com.ar
or in
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic8Bw4RN_dc
[362] The way I see it, voyager, Kirk is in bed with this girl, when her roommate Uhura comes from class. So Kirk hides under the bed, between all the shoes, and watches Uhura…
Too me, it looks like Qunto is the one hiding, not Kirk.
First of all, the trailer looks F—ING SICK in HiDef, however fast it all goes by. Watch it a few times and you’ll get it all. It certainly is sweet.
A couple of things:
Nero fighting the guards now looks more like a couple of Klingons in head-gear designed to accept their skull’s shape. Their mouths and eyes are clearly visible behind them.
It’s my impression, due to Quinto being a bit on the thin side, that when we see Spock with his back turned before the council, it’s Nimoy due to his posture and…width? He’s not fat, just a bit wider. Perhaps he’s asking permission to take a time-trip?
The Enterprise going into warp is REALLY nice!
I still don’t particularly like the E.
I’m having a hard time accepting, as much as I like it, that in hundreds of years of military evolution, the standard military uniform for a woman is the miniskirt (is Starfleet considered military?).
It can’t be a robot cop. Not with that swagger. Gotta be a person with a mask on that disguises the voice a-la Darth Vader.
The young Kirk’s dyed hair looks ridiculous (yeah, I know it’s a cheap shot, but it bugged me. It looks too fake).
I’ll come back if I think of more.
#28
I reckon you’re right about the Klingons and their masks…..couldn’t agree more
Nice find
Wow, I kept the faith that the new team would give a good ST movie, and from the trailer and web site, they have done awesome. Did anybody else notice that sounds on the website sound familiar to STIV? As well the sounds from the trailer as well.
Thanks to the new team, can not wait for the movie. I have been a fan for 25 and from the looks of it longer now.
Most excellent.
#377 No deal…. :( I want to see this on the big screen!!!
WHAT MAKES JJ THINK THAT PEOPLE OF THE 23RD CENTURY WILL WEAR DENIM AND LEATHER? WHAT PRIMATIVE CHOICES FOR CLOTHING! HOW DARE HE!!!!!!!!! AND AUTOMOBILES? DIRT ROADS? POLICE OFFICERS? GIVE ME A BREAK!
There may actually be a glimpse of older Spock in the trailer.
Go to 1:43 when the suspected time ship is speeding toward the camera. The center light looks like a front viewport with an upright figure. Yeah, it’s a dark smudge, but it’s a Spock-in-a-robe shaped dark smudge.
Kirk get beat up in a bar by Sulu and some of the boys. Pike sz to him essentially grow up and join Star Fleet.
It would appear for sake of the movie (not cannon)that Sulu, Pike and Uhura are working on the almost completed E.
Kirk on bike looking anew at the E under construction with the scars from the fight decides to enlist.
If this is the moment he decides to go to the academy and it took him four years to graduate, that would mean that the new E with its new crew would (I’m including Spok in that crew) would have been out doing stuff (new worlds, new civilizations) for at least 3 or four years before Kirk was brought onboard.
Just some random thoughts…trying to tie some of this together.
379, 388:
No deal, huh? I formally declare war against the Brits!
:)
I’ve got nothing against Germany at all, but an Amercan film with American (and other nationality) actors just sounds really weird dubbed into German.
For instance, if you dub a scottish person to German, they cease to be scottish. It’s bizzare.
Big problem: a lot of the production values here seem absurdly dated. Too much of it screams c. 2008. The battle scenes look like something out of Transformers. The bridge looks like the Apple Store. You can find something close to Kirk’s riding jacket and tee off the rack at Abercrombie. And even the tattoos on Nero — don’t tell me: inspired by the Crips or the Bloods?
Is all this adequate for a summer blockbuster? Maybe. But it’s not revolutionary enough, and certainly not ingenious enough, for the ultimate Trek.
Even bigger problem: young Kirk. The character in Star Trek is James T. Kirk. NOT James Dean. Absolutely nothing about the Kirk character suggests he was ever a lost, trying-to-find-himself, rebel misfit. Leadership research and history both show that a future captain/admiral of Kirk’s caliber and temperament would have been a Boy’s State, Eagle Scout, National Merit Scholar-type leader-in-training by the time he was ready for college. Perhaps the corporate suits at Paramount think a believable character background like that would just be too bruising to the starting-to-shave crowd’s shaky self-esteem. Okay, fair enough, but the James Dean/Top Gun nonsense is a tired cliché. It looks like Abrams and company apparently don’t get Kirk; neither probably does the pretty boy Abrams picked to play him.
Verdict: Based on what we see here, Star Trek will be another big, dumb, summer action sci-fi movie, a la Spiderman or Transformers. Fun and forgettable. Chances of it becoming a classic like Star Wars or Blade Runner are next to nil. But hey, if it makes $250 million, everybody’s happy, except a few purists who had hoped for more.
On the positive side, I think Karl Urban might have McCoy nailed.
HOW D YOU SAY ‘CONSTIPATED IN GERMAN’?
POOPENFARTEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WOW, they’re showing a TV spot more than 2 days before the films release? Paramount really is treating this Star Trek film differently!!!
Thought here: is it possible that Kirk is going to hijack the Enterprise before the interior is completed, which is why the bridge looks the way it does, i.e., super-bright? The casings aren’t on yet?
Don’t care either way, but it’s a thought I had.
Man, I love being a Trek fan. But why do so many Trek fans have to whine constantly?
If you don’t like the new Trek, go make you’re own like James Cawley. Or be content with your dvds.
I’m, for one, very excited about the new film. It can’t come soon enough.
JWM.
Give it up. Thats how the bridge looks, so deal with it.
Poor Kelvin…
A reminder that the HD trailers are available to download here:
http://apple.com/movies/paramount/star_trek/startrek-tlr2_h480p.mov
http://apple.com/movies/paramount/star_trek/startrek-tlr2_h720p.mov
http://apple.com/movies/paramount/star_trek/startrek-tlr2_h1080p.mov
Forget Apple and their crappy site.
Those of you who are complaining, are you the people I always have to stand next to in line? If you don’t like it, don’t see it, it will make it more fun for the rest of us.
OK I’m not a major trek chick but I’m intrigued by the old shows and movies. One question I’m not seeing addressed here is why this new kid playing Kirk has blue eyes. One thing I always notice is the eyes and Shatner has beautiful brownies. This new kid has eyes like he’s from Arrakis. Science fiction is all about “suspension of disbelief.” I guess Kirk gets an eyeball transplant somewhere along the way? Yeah I realize the new actors aren’t expected to look the same but how am I as a new fan expected to reconcile such an obvious difference when I see this new flick, compared to all the other ones with Shatner? The big question is, when I watch the older shows and movies am I supposed to imagine blue eyes from now on? This new kid is a cutie but not the kind of boy I’d imagine growing up to be Captain Kirk. And it’s not just eye color. Sorry.
please stop with ALL caps. What you have to say is no more important than anyone else.
Thank you,
- The Management
I opposed the ship redesign, and I even spend an hour on photoshop “fixing” it.
I’ve watched the trailer many times.
I watched the trailer on HD today and I have to be honest it looks like it will be the bset Star Trek movie ever!!! And if you see the way the big E moves on screen, and if you pause the views of the bridge, you can see the attention to 60’s styling that is still there. I am being sold on this redesign and my heart is pumpin’!
If anyone on the production team is reading this, you have turned one skeptic around completely and, in true Star Trek fashion, have caused me to boldly go to a new horizon. Sometimes it just takes time to adjust. Thanks and Godspeed!
I think that the klingons are definitely wearing masks to cover the no forehead ridges problem. Even the masks have ridges on them. And i love kirk getting it on with an orion slave girl. BRILLIANT
I thought Uhura’s boobs were bigger than that. Wow, these guys really are rewriting canon!
In all seriousness, I like what I see. I look forward to the movie, and hope the francise gets its long-deserved second wind. With or without Shatner, who by the way is currently in my humble opinion doing quite well in a role much better than the one he had in Twilight Zone, Barbary Coast, Ben Casey P.A. and tons of other roles including Star Trek. I love Boston Legal which would never survive without Shatner, and sad to say, it appears Star Trek has since the 1980’s been able to survive quite well without Shatner. I am sold. Send me a ticket to the Premiere.
WOW!
I can’t even begin to describe how excited I am for this film after watching the trailer, such a breath of fresh air for Trek. The only thing I have been skeptical about all along is whether or not I could accept Pine as Kirk and judging from this trailer I think we are in store for something special.
Much thanks to JJ and his team for all the hard work they put into making this film a reality!
Why can’t May come sooner!?
I watched the trailer about 20 times and frame by frame.
It’s big, bold, and beautiful.
But, I dont feel like I’m watching Star Trek!
I think the wait has made me lose interest.
I just not feeling it at all.
I’m more interested in the conclusion of Battlestar Galatica.
Wake me up in May.
HAHAHAHAHA! It’s time to pass on the torch to a new generation, Boomers! Its over for all of you. Sorry, but the 60’s are over.
I’m even gonna pay for my cat to see this.
Is it my imagination or has there been no negatives about Karl Urban? When I originally heard that he was cast as Bones I was absolutely horrified, but as a a few others have said – I believe that even from just a few seconds of screen time that he truly has “nailed” it!
But Pike was on the Enterprise long before Kirk, so how could Kirk be looking at it being built?
I think those are romulans, remember they are the ones with the helmets
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/thumb/b/ba/Romulan_helmet.jpg/400px-Romulan_helmet.jpg
409 I had a similar reaction too, relieved I’m not the only one. I’ve done the same thing, gone over it frame by frame and certainly impressed by visual impact. But there is that kind of emptiness, I want to be more interested and as above there’s a bit of a feeling I’m not watching Trek. Hope I do wake up in May!
And where the frakk is Nimoy???????????????
Are we sure those are Klingons? Are there Klingons in the movie? Why would they have Nero?
How the hell do I watch the trailer?
Do you have to download and install all the addon junks from apple?
I installed the version 7.5.5 without itunes and when I try to watch the large trailer (NO itunes nor iphone) it keeps on saying to ‘get the latest quicktime’.
If anyone works in retail if you look at the bridge shot they are using, register scanners for props on the consoles… I use the same one at my job. Funny.
Anyhoo looks interesting to say the least. Well Gonna see it.
418.
Only true Trekkers can see the trailer. Its like magic.
oh surprise surprise.
suddenly it started working from another link I found :-)
I put it on YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3HYhvriZeU
421.
Using dark magic, I see?
#390 I totally agree, there’s someone in the middle viewport of that ship!!
#300 – Lord Garth, I like your theory. How they will get a general audience to understand all of this is the problem. Clearly, this trailer is aimed at an audience that doesn’t know much about Star Trek – and JJ has been saying for years now that thats the audience he’s making the movie for. If they can pull this all off canonically and still make it accessible (and successful) then they are truly pulling off the impossible.
Oh, and I’d put money on that TV spot running in the 2 Hr. “24″ movie Sunday night…
PROS: Production values, epic scope (immersive almost), Karl Urban, Simon Pegg, the intoxicating Zoe Saldana, the “zaniness” of space adventure.
CONS: This does not feel like Star Trek. This feels more like Starship Troopers. Take the Starfleet uniforms and starships out of the mix, and it pretty much looks like a big summer actioner. Now, I’m sure the other 119 minutes add up to something more substantial. But marketing-wise, it doesn’t speak to me as being Star Trek.
And Pine makes for a very young-looking guy. When he says “Buckle up!” it feels like a kid cracking a joke. Now, I get the whole “well he *is* a kid, that’s the story” notion, but if this guy is going to take center seat at some point, he’s going to have to ahve the gravitas that you catch from Greenwood (who can be added to that list of PROS above!).
Oh and Quinto… could be great, but its so weird seeing these handsome youngsters portraying my childhood heroes. This whole show feels like a mind-screw.
what is with all the groans! It looks smashing! I am looking forward to a new interpretation of Trek. Lord, knows it needs it!
#414 –
Definitely Klingons. IMDB list Klingon Prison Guards in the cast list.
Now THAT was sweet! Gotta see it on the silver screen now.
410: “HAHAHAHAHA! It’s time to pass on the torch to a new generation, Boomers! Its over for all of you. Sorry, but the 60’s are over.”
You’re right, Data Killed Spot. It looks like this Trek might be mainly for kids. It’ll be fun! But when you grow up, you’ll want more.
Kirk was the youngest captain in Starfleet I believe at 31 Chris Pine is older than that.
Thanks Cousin Itt
You all know I’m right????
Check out my brilliant theory in #300 and discuss. Seriously I think I nailed what we can expect to see come may
To no one in particular (to several of you, though): The opposite of a bleat is not a whine.
First of all, the people who are criticizing this trailer are the same ones who have been criticizing this project since day one! Therefore, why should the rest of us care what they’ve to say on the matter one way or the other.
Second, this is definitely NOT the 1960s Star Trek. If you want that version, stay at home and watch it on television. Meanwhile let the rest of us be grateful that this movie was even made.
# 308:
“Leadership research and history both show that a future captain/admiral of Kirk’s caliber and temperament would have been a Boy’s State, Eagle Scout…”
“Jim Kirk was many things, but he was NEVER a Boy Scout…”
–Carol Marcus, TWOK ;)
#418 – download it from a linky here:
http://movies.apple.com/movies/paramount/star_trek/startrek-tlr2_h1080p.mov
or
http://movies.apple.com/movies/paramount/star_trek/startrek-tlr2_h640w.mov
and get some decent player like VLC or SMPlayer, that should be able to play them (mine have no problems playing it). Avoid the Apple junkware like plague.
I really don’t know what was Paramount thinking… first trailer works in flash, so why should second player not work in flash as well? “Get the lastest Quicktime” my ass. That thing won’t darken my firewall as long as I live. I’d rather kiss a syphiliac than install Quicktime.
Adam (#426) said: “This does not feel like Star Trek. This feels more like Starship Troopers.”
Bingo!
True, 434, I was at a point where I thought we’d never see Trek on the silver screen again. Thankfully, we have a committed team behind this movie that understood the need to keep Trek alive.
I’m sorry, that should be #394 — how I read “308″ into that is beyond me…
the girl in bed is green
I noticed something really interesting during the trailer. There’s a small scene where Nero is fighting off two steel-masked guards in a doorway, and for some reason the masks have ridges on them.
What I can predict at this point is that Nero and company will probably be seen escaping imprisonment at some point, because at the end of the trailer, Nero is quite unshaven (”The wait is over”), whereas he’s clean cut in several of the pre-release pics. At this point, I can see why Nero would be compared to Khan, even moreso than Shinzon.
Please note that my following comment does not mean I think the movie is going to stink:
I think the trailer is a mess– it’s scattered, noisy and fairly insubstantial. It’s a FX reel, cut at a speed which requires you to do the freeze-frame analysis online. Thanks for the car commercial, guys. I guess I’ll have to wait for the movie to come out to see what its got. I just find this flaccid marketing move really annoying.
#51
“Plus why does the new enterprise look like something from the 25th century??”
What is something from the 23rd or 25th century supposed to look like anyways? Give these guys their artistic license.
#442
Have you ever seen a film trailer?
#51
“Plus why does the new enterprise look like something from the 25th century??”
I’ve seen Antiques Roadshow and that looks nothing like any 25th century piece I’ve ever seen anyone bring on. :p
444: He does have a point — this was too much MTV-style in its delivery for a Trek film. Look at the retrospectives Anthony did over the past week, with TMP, TWOK, TSFS and TVH — they didn’t rely on the break-neck pacing of this trailer. They sold the story, not the hottest visuals. I have high hopes for the movie, and the trailer wasn’t bad, but they could have done better to have made it a little less hyperactive.
#444
Touche. And right on.
HEY GUYS I THINK OLD SPOCK MIGHT BE IN THE TRAILER
check out the background at the 1:20 mark looks like him alright
#446
Maybe. But it’s a trailer that’s going to grab the attention of today’s audience, who are used to trailers like this.
Perhaps the third trailer, in a few months time, will be more to taste.
I’m extremely disappointed by the trailer looks like it’s just trying to be like the rest of the Sci-Fi/Action rubbish out there.
And it looks nothing like Star Trek whoever came up with the term iBridge or iShip was right on.
Ah well at least I’ve still got my TNG n DS9 n Enterprise DVD’s hell I’ve got Voyager as well even though I always bash it.
Trailers have evolved since those films, 446. This is a trailer from 2008. This is what people expect from trailers now.
I’m extremely disappointed by the trailer looks like it’s just trying to be like the rest of the Sci-Fi/Action rubbish out there.
And it looks nothing like Star Trek whoever came up with the term iBridge or iShip was right on.
Ah well at least I’ve still got my TNG n DS9 n Enterprise DVD’s hell I’ve got Voyager as well even though I always bash it.
This film seems like the OC in space or USS Enterprise 90210.
#444
If that means that all film trailers are bombastic messes, then I would disagree with that inference.
The material in the trailer is barely comprehensible. Kirk is wayward, Spock is searching for his own identity. Okay, that’s good stuff. And then BAM! ‘Splosions for the next minute. Hey, I work in marketing, i get the whole “manipulating your audience” technique. But I think there was an opportunity here to give us something a little more sane.
That being said, I predict the next trailer will deliver that substance. This one, however, missed the mark.
448, that’s Sarek.
#445- LOL!
I’m glad to see that there are people here who can take the knitpicking with a grain of salt. Again I reiterate, these naysayers will never be satisfied. If the trailer had Shatner himself in it, they’d still find some reason to complain!
The Trailer looks even cooler than it did before. I just hope that they show it when I go to see Quantum Of Solace on the weekend so I can see it the way it was intended!
Does anyone know what that silver knobby thingy hiding under the bed with Kirk might be?
And regarding Uhura–glad to see that Maidenform/Playtex/Victoria’s Secret survives to the 23rd century! (=^D
448. paul briseno – HEY GUYS I THINK OLD SPOCK MIGHT BE IN THE TRAILER check out the background at the 1:20 mark looks like him alright.
I looked thinking it was the picture of Sarek but you may be right. In the scene where Spock is leading his mother, Sarek and some others, it could be him to the back left just behind Sarek. There is one freeze frame you can hit where it looks exactly like him from the side.
363. Bill T – November 17, 2008
[355] – Still sounds like Siberius…
I guarantee that if you go to the doctor they will be able to detect at least a 20% hearing loss. I can even hear the “t” sound.
Yeah, seriously. I wouldn’t be surprised if it were more than 20%. I’m in a hard rock band and I hear the ‘t’ just fine…then again, I look after my hearing with proper volume levels and ear plugs.
You can see Spock’s timeship in quick bits in the trailer at the end.
394 After careful thought, i’ve come to the conclusion that your description of this trailer, and your opinion of what constitutes Star Trek is completely wrong.
Verdict: This will revive Star Trek and be a huge success.
This is the most real and the most “Star Trek” Star Trek movie I’ve ever seen (trailer at least is).
This is what I’ve been wishing they would do with Star Trek for about 15 years. The last 5 or 6 films have been horrible, especially compared to any of the other big sci-fi/action movies that have come out during that time (Matrix trilogy, Star Wars prequals, etc.). By comparison, Star Trek movies have been boring, B-rate, low-budget films. Little more than extended TV epsiodes shown in movie theaters.
I’m so tired of the vocal tiny minority complaining that this “isn’t Star Trek”. I’m sorry, but you don’t own Star Trek. Paramount does. They say this IS Star Trek.
Star Trek is ADVENTURE. Yes it’s about humans and the future human race and how they deal with the things they find. But, at it’s core it’s always been about adventure. It’s that lack of believeable adventure that has kept Star Trek in the “cult film” category, instead of mainstream blockbuster.
I’m so happy someone finally had the guts to update this tired and nearly dead franchise and make it relevant again.
It’s become clear to me that those that constantly complain about rediculous details before even seeing how the story deals with them, take themselves way too seriously and actually believe that they somehow own Star Trek and know what’s best for it.
the more i watch this, in hi def especially… the more this feels like Star Trek to me. As in, I think they got it RIGHT alot more than they are being given credit for.
My prediction is that the movie will show us that.
THE WOMEN!!
=h=
STILL LOOKS A PILE “O” CRAP TO MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
Don’t know if anyone has mentioned it yet, but the front number plate has IOWA on it :)
MANY MANY thanks for that ACTUAL link to the ACTUAL file, because the trailer on the Apple site is WAAAY too small.
Yet you still want to hang around and troll, 463.
I think I may have figured out what that “Spinny Spaceship Thingy” is, the one I say looks somewhat like the Slave One. It’s probably Spock’s Timeship! And it looks like it has some weaponry. So imagine this: Spock, since he can’t show his face to his younger self (It’s not like that TAS episode, where since Spock was a kid there would ahve been plausible deniability), when he isn’t giving sage advice to Kirk/Scotty/Whoever he’ll use his super awesome Timeship to fight alongside the Enterprise. It would also help even the playing field between the Romulans and the Enterprise.
And I disagree that if this film fails it’ll be the end of Star Trek. I think, like all media properties, it would be back again. No media property is ever dead. Just ask Rocky.
#393 “For instance, if you dub a scottish person to German, they cease to be scottish. It’s bizzare.”
We italians are accustomed to that, it’s not bizarre at all. Accents and dialects are totally lost in translation/dubbing. But Italy has some of the best dubbers around, so the trade-off is acceptable. By the way, I love watching undubbed movies.
Closettrekker your comments were spot on……..once again. Consider the scenario nailed
Not gonna put quicktime on my system, as it’s impossible to get rid of.
Does anyone know when the SD versions in the webmaster program will be released??? They were supposed to be today.
WTH???
Whassup Webmaster Program?
The Women!!! Hitch… The women!!!
I agree.
I have am posting vidcaps of the trailer at this very moment on my webspace.
I hope Paramount doesn’t ask me to take them down for a little while.
http://www.fauxnoise.net
Jay (#461): I’m so tired of the vocal tiny minority complaining that this “isn’t Star Trek”. I’m sorry, but you don’t own Star Trek. Paramount does. They say this IS Star Trek. ”
They said Nemesis was Star Trek, too. Great job, huh?
The greatest thing about the trailer is that it finally answers the question of just where they keep the bathroom on the Enterprise!
http://img353.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stbridgeurinalaj8.jpg
Yes #28, those were klingons under those masks.
I have to admit, I only caught 50% of what was in the trailer in the first viewing.
Now, having spent the morning going frame by frame through it – HOLEY CRAP! I may have just lost my job wasting time today, but it was worth it!
Glad that Rotten Tomatos has most of the HD footage now so we don’t have to rely on the buggy Apple site. It looks just fantastic (I can see the HD Corvette later)! : )
#333, 335, 339, 372
Of course, you guys are completely right. I screwed that one up. I must have been thinking in TNG ranks (3 pips vs 4 pips).
#356
Since Generations came 4 years before the Voyager episode and they reuse Kirk’s suit from Generations, in addition to having been written by the same group of writers – yes, I’d say it is a safe bet that’s where it came from ;)
Your caps are pretty pixelated, I think you’ve enlarged them or something.
#394
Apparently you missed all those references to Kirk cheating on the Kobyashi Maru and being many things, but ‘never a boy scout’.
It does look like Slave 1 and I think that is Spock in the window.
Ok my thoughts……
Its a kind of mix of emotions……
I’m not making stupid comments about a missing nacelle here or a incorrect eyebrow there etc, just about what this film may mean for Star Trek/
Sure the trailer looks good…very exciting; it’s a question in my mind of where the heart of star trek is with this film. We won’t find that out till we see it and I am not going to give my opinion of how good or bad the film may be, just what it may mean for the franchise….
If this film is Star Trek for the Star Wars generation then that it’s a shame…if it has sold its self out in the name of fast action and graphics and keeping a young generation “hooked” with your standard template for a summer blockbuster, then that is a also shame.
Yet at the same time – before this film star trek was dead – it was cerebral, stale and old, it needed a kick up the ass – it had begun to lose its heart.
So this film has saved star trek but in what direction will it take it.
Star Trek has always been hammy, cliché, over the top, the films have never been amazing – even TWOK just makes it as pretty good (in terms of films as a whole), no matter what anybody says. Action, however was never the main focus of any of the films (in your blockbuster type way) they were made for a specific audience and always had the heart of star trek in them, no matter how hammy some of the line were.
What I hope this film brings is that heart. I really hope the film has not sold out its heart because its easier to sell a film with hyper pace and action, and graphics to rival star wars. If this film has that core content of star trek, and that is more apparent and important than the graphics, then star trek may go on for many more years.
Basically ….in one sentence, I hope this will not be Star Treks Episode 1 – I think that’s the best way to sum it up….
It’s a difficult balancing act, and I hope it works, I truly do.
The wait is NOT over, Nero!! It just got even longer!!!!!!
What is considered Trek anyway? I would almost consider the Horatio Hornblower pinings of the movies a bigger departure than this is (at least in terms of tone). Star Trek is not Blade Runner. It has never really been sophisticated film making, and it has always had some element of hokiness to it. To me this looks like TOS in the 21st century with a slightly new twist to the style via Abrams and the characters via the actors. Things also have to be changed because structurally a movie is not the same thing as a TV show. There is more action, but I think that it works because it reflects the raw abrasiveness of Kirk and company conquering the implacable unknown of space. It should feel like a ride. This is to be contrasted with the more placated tone of the movies as Kirk tries to find his place beyond captaincy. Besides that the important thing involves the characters, and that’s exactly what Abrams has been trying to get at. If he captures the characters, then he largely captures Trek.
The site is UP. Enjoy.
PS – Having slowed the trailer down to frame-by-frame (as I’m sure a lot of us are doing) the guy Sulu is fighting has pointed ears. Not a Klingon.
It may be a useful technique to keep the imagery obfuscated, but the complete overuse of camera flares in this trailer is an interesting design choice for sure…..
478; Sorry, it was the best I could do so quickly.
NERDGASM!!! Love this friggin trailer. The music is cool too. too bad it isn’t in the film. Hope the score is equally powerful and relentless like James Horner did for TWOK :)
May 09′ can’t come soon enough!!!
#270, #347, #352, #358 (close): I am wondering if the “canyon” – which is now being identified as a quarry, is an old, nearby DILITHIUM MINE (or a standard “lithium” mine), close to the shipyards? Or what Earthlings are mining that can be converted/adapted for use as dilithium crystals…..? (That is, if “lithium” is converted, by whatever means used in the 23rd century, into power-crystals for matter/antimatter generation known as DI-lithium?)
Perhaps that’s why, as noted in #358’s post, the rift is so close to the massive structures as seen in the background where, apparently, starships are under construction? Just wondering….
Now that I’ve gotten a better look, I can definitely see Kirk & Uhura are not going at it. Also, the Kirk-under-the-bed shot & Uhura-taking-her-top-off shot are almost certainly different scenes entirely.
The site is slow. must be getting hit hard.
I found the Uhura egg!
Easter Eggs:
When waiting for areas to load, you’re looking for red icon that flashes “Incoming Data”. There are one of two secret wallpapers, one of Nero, the other is Uhura.
Trailer in french :)
http://www.allocine.fr/video/player_gen_cmedia=18847026&cfilm=114887&hd=1.html
Start Trek- even I can’t believe I did that….
Kirk is cross eyed. Ruined the whole movie
492. Xplodin’ Nacelle – November 17, 2008
I found the Uhura egg!
LOL…
Yay trailer aired on FOX in Sarah Conner!!!!
Just saw the TV spot during Terminator- Sarah C. on Fox!
Me (#394) “Leadership research and history both show that a future captain/admiral of Kirk’s caliber and temperament would have been a Boy’s State, Eagle Scout, National Merit Scholar-type leader-in-training by the time he was ready for college.”
Pat (#435) “Jim Kirk was many things, but he was NEVER a Boy Scout…”
–Carol Marcus, TWOK ;)
Good job, Pat. But remember the line in TWOK preceding the one above, with the young David Marcus describing Kirk as “that overgrown Boy Scout you used to hang around with…” Marcus knew Kirk by reputation, and that reputation was consistent with (you see it through the entire TOS) the independence, leadership, discipline, and problem-solving you find among Eagle Scouts. He’s the type.
Sean (#474) #394: “Apparently you missed all those references to Kirk cheating on the Kobyashi Maru and being many things, but ‘never a ‘boy scout.’”
The Kobyashi Maru solution of Kirk’s was no prank pulled by an undisciplined troublemaker. It was a stroke of tactical genius executed by “a stack of books with legs” (Kirk’s self-description in TOS: “Shore Leave”). Hence, the commendation rather than an expulsion.
And, hence, again, my original point: it’s James Kirk, not James Dean. If this movie portrays Kirk as a juvenile delinquent without a clue who somehow gets a break and turns his life around, then it’s a sell-out to the lowest common ticket-buying denominator. But, we’ll see. The film might show us something else.
Has anyone else noticed that the top for the corvette is up the very first time you see it and is down every other? Kirk really knows how to work an ancient car to be evading police, driving a stick, and put the top down…jk. I seriously love the trailer, and can’t wait for the movie. I saw it on the big screen, and told my friends, “This is it!!!” They looked at me like, “No way, this is too cool to be Trek.” Afterwards, they said, I am not a trekker by any stretch of the imagination, and I actually try to avoid the franchise all together, but that movie looks sweet.” Way to go JJ!!!
Another thing:
Stop belly aching about canon and what not. I love Star Trek and everything it stands for. But if the franchise wants to stay alive, and keep sending out a positive message, certain things have to change. This isn’t the 1960s anymore…
All Hail J.J.!
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Lord Garth, Formerly of Izar,
Your explanation of the events in the trailer do a wonderful job of explaining what might actually be happening here.
If so all the naysayers will be red with embarrassment.
This definitely falls in with Abrams ideas of mystery and magic.
You don’t see whats really going on till after all said and done.
Thank You
If you look under Kirk’s arm when he is on his bike at :58 seconds, you see what looks like a round object on the building, if you look closely, it looks remarkably close to the Starfleet Command logo that has the TOS Movie era Starfleet badge inside it. You know, the delta with the circle behind it.
http://www.fauxnoise.net/28%20Dynamic%20Duo%202.JPG
Cross eyed
I was just watching Terminator: The Sarah Conner Chronicles on Fox, and during the 7:30 PM (Central time) commercial break they showed a shortened version of the new Trek trailer…totally unexpected!!!
I just saw the TV spot and it looks good. I kinda wish that it had been the trailer so the cheesy “I am James Tiberius Kirk” line wouldn’t have gotten noticed by everyone.
I am a Beloved figure and my keen insight usually merits out to be correct. That is why we shall conquer the cosmos together young Will
And once again my keen insights as to the actual plot of the movie will be can be found in post 300
Discuss
Easter Egg – if you click on the “Incoming Data” when it’s transitioning, a popup appears with a “Restricted Access” image of Uhura.
Just a fact, Eric Bana starred in Romulus, My Father.
Now he’s a Romulan, obviously from Roumulus.
what’s tactical about cheating and changing the rules? It’s not like he can reprogramme the situation out on the field.
WTF…Klingons in Gestapo trenchcoats with leather masks and batons. I just threw up in my mouth.
Clarification… when the “Incoming Data” is to the lower right, the image is of Uhura. When it is to the upper left, the image is of Nero.
Am I only one that noticed that when those two shuttles are leaving the Kelvin, and one is destroyed, its by friendly fire? I can’t tell whether the shuttle crossed into the phaser’s path or whether it was specifically targeted…
The other thing is, at the beginning of the trailer, the roof of the corvette is up, but is later retracted during the police chase.
Just some thoughts to ponder
1:41 Take a look at Uhura’s earpiece.
oh man the german dub is some sort of crap…
Does anyone else get this sinking feeling Pike won’t die, but will instead get “Menageried”? Hopefully the Abramsverse has a better system of talking to a disabled person then beeping a light.
The only way they could improve the TV spot would be by replacing the music. For some reason, it seems a bit over the top and too bombastic, giving the movie a cheap action feel; something like Bear McCreary’s “Something Dark is Coming” would lend it a more mysterious feel.
I can’t get it to work. I have updated quicktime twice and still not able to watch it.
@474
OMG HAHAHAHA!!! There IS a guy pissing in the corner, oh that is too funny!
Paramount has leagal ownership of Star Trek, BUT The fans have the financial clout to tell Paramount what to do! As I stated elesehere the bigP is in it for $$$; JJ and company are in it for ego-personality cult issues.
If you like what they have done spend your money to see the movie and but the merchandise. That is all either bigP or JJ & Co really want – your $$$ and your attendance.
I enjoyed TOS, TNG, DS9 and even Voyager; I find ENT too jarringly out of place, but that is most likely because I was 18 when TOS first aired. I never could stomach the Star Wars prequels but I had really enjoyed the first hree sequels. FOR ME, revisionist history never works – it seems to much like a dictatorial propaganda effort. However, for those who are interested in this new approach I say go for it, JUST, DO NOT let the bigP keep dictate what you must view as entertainment NOR accept their interpretations as the only possible ones.
If this new brand of Trek is around in 40 yeras THEN they made a good choice at bigP, if NOT, then Trek and perhaps bigP shall have disappeared by 2050!
One thing you can bet your derriere on is that bigP is NOT going to do away with their support and promulgation of all things Trek in the other Star Trek timeline we all currently know – same reason $$$ and ego., The original 5 series and 10 movies make up a large percentage of Paramount and CBS ongoing income from the Star Trek fanchise. With CBS’ and Viacom’s current business and financial picture these business will NOT kill off a cash-cow NO matter how well or poorly ST:XI performs in the theatrical release. These businesses are under pressure to perform and to make gobs of money for the family controlling both CBS and Viacom (which owns bigP.)
However, UNLESS the new movie is a blockbuster in the theaters and on DVD as well as merchandising, the future of Star Trek will be in its past.
This will all be decided by 1 July 2009 as the world-wide movie public votes with their dollars and attendance of lack thereof beginning next May.
All our postulating, rhetoric and arguments notwithstanding the bottom line is $$$ in the boxoffice and eyeballs in the theaters.
I can’t believe how many people are crying over this trailer, the movie looks awesome and screams Trek.
This is going to right all the wrongs of the last 14 years. Thank you JJ Abrams.
Those aren’t Klingons, they’re Suiliban!
I’m even more convinced when I look at this – that Nero’s incursion into the past sets Starfleet on course to becoming a true military-type operation. The bulkier design of the ships, the interface on the bridge, the officers prepping for deployment in the hangar – it looks like these folks are all part of a war machine if you ask me.
And I can’t wait to see how Spock Prime fixes it…if he even can.
Kudos to JJ and his entire team. TREK LIVES!!!
Did anyone notice the phaser that Kirk fires? It looks to be of “The Cage” origins.
Also like how they posted the clockwise rotation on many of the trailer shots to keep the movement up throughout the trailer — it’s a way of creating continuity when there are many different kinds of shots edited together.
I really like the feel of the space shots — from what we can see they are using very harsh lighting, which is more realistic than the kind of space lighting we’re used to. Definitely love the new warp effect.
I don’t mind the opening of the traielr at all — it’s very well done and well edited — there is a real sense of panic as the car starts to go over the edge. I know some have mentioned seeing a rope but I can’t see it. In fact the effects throughout seem to pretty much flawless. And obviously we’re missing some of the chase, so there is really no continuity problem with the vette roof being up as it pulls out and down later on.
My vote is that the law enforcement “officer” is NOT intended to be an android. Pretty cool costume.
And 394: “Leadership research and history both show that a future captain/admiral of Kirk’s caliber and temperament would have been a Boy’s State, Eagle Scout, National Merit Scholar-type leader-in-training by the time he was ready for college. Perhaps the corporate suits at Paramount think a believable character background like that would just be too bruising to the starting-to-shave crowd’s shaky self-esteem. ”
I think I’d get banned if I responded to that the way I really want to respond to it. I think you are confusing leadership with conformity. At any rate, we’re talking about a fictional character, so the character arc is wide open. Some of the best leaders are non-conformists who rebel against the establishment and want to do things their own way.
The sound effects are clearer on the German version.
At tha’ Copa… Copa-ca-Bana…
Tha’ hottest spot north o’ Brannon Braga’s
At tha’ Copa… Copa-ca-Bana…
Starships and passion were always a’bashin’
At the Cooooooopa…. Kelvin got shot from above
His name was Nero, he wore a tattoo
He was escorted ta’ TOS era, he saw Kirky dancin’ thar’a
Wanted Kirkie finished, he called him o’er
But Nero went a bit too far, Spockie sailed across tha’ bar
And then neckpinches flew and chairs were smashed in two
Green blood spilled and a single phazor shot
But just who shot who?
His name wuz Shatner, he wuz a captain
But that wuz 40 years ago, when they used ta’ have a show
Now it’s all action, but not fur Shatner
Still in the dress he used ta’ wear, faded fake threads make up his hair
He sits thar’ so refined, and drinks hisself half-blind
He lost his youth but JJ may have had that ta’ find
Or has ‘Lost’ boy lost his mind?!
At tha’ Copa… Copa-ca-Bana…
Tha’ hottest spot north o’ Berman’s bad la’s
At tha’ Copa… Copa-ca-Bana…
Starships and passion were always a’bashin’
At the Copa…. maybe we’ll fall in a’loooooooove
Wit’ that Bana…
Arrrrrrrrr…
At tha’ Copa… Copa-ca-Bana…
Tha’ hottest spot north o’ Brannon Braga’s
At tha’ Copa… Copa-ca-Bana…
Starships and passion were always a’bashin’
At the Cooooooopa…. Kelvin got shot from above
His name was Nero, he wore a tattoo
He was escorted ta’ TOS era, he saw Kirky dancin’ thar’a
Wanted Kirkie finished, he called him o’er
But Nero went a bit too far, Spockie sailed across tha’ bar
And then neckpinches flew and chairs were smashed in two
Green blood spilled and a single phazor shot
But just who shot who?
His name wuz Shatner, he wuz a captain
But that wuz 40 years ago, when they used ta’ have a show
Now it’s all action, but not fur Shatner
Still in the dress he used ta’ wear, faded fake threads make up his hair
He sits thar’ so refined, and drinks hisself half-blind
He lost his youth but JJ may have had that ta’ find
Or has ‘Lost’ boy lost his mind?!
At tha’ Copa… Copa-ca-Bana…
Tha’ hottest spot north o’ Berman’s bad la’s
At tha’ Copa… Copa-ca-Bana…
Starships and passion were always a’bashin’
At the Copa…. maybe we’ll fall in a’loooooooove
Wit’ that Bana…
Arrrrrrrrr…
This trailer really did the job.
I feel like I just ate a giant Star Trek happy meal! : )
oh dear god
this is going to suck so bad.
chronicles of bleeding riddick 2
394. Son of Surak – November 17, 2008
“James Kirk was many things but he was NEVER a boyscout!” — Dr Carol Marcus, Star Trek II:TWOK
by the way, kirk lived on the tarsus colony as a kid and the enterprise was already in service at the time. they are attempting to erase the original series.
It look good but reminds me of the Transformer movie where the FX shots are so quick and the action so constant that the story is lost. I hope this is just the typical fast paced trailer that we have to see these days.
Ok, so that big crack in Iowa, anymore thoughts on that? Maybe that whole Zendi weapon thing from Enterprise? And I wonder when little Jimmy Kirk lost the convertible top while speeding away from the cop? I t was up when he started the gone the next.
The Enterprise, sigh, just not a good design. They could have done so much better with it.
Regardless of my nitpicking, I’ll be there opening night to check it out.
Jon (#512) “what’s tactical about cheating and changing the rules? It’s not like he can reprogramme the situation out on the field.”
Well, Starfleet Academy evidently concluded Kirk did not cheat, else he would have been punished for cheating rather than commended for original thinking. This turned out to be an invaluable leadership trait, because Kirk did, in fact, “reprogramme the situation” out on the field, critically, on a number of occasions.
He did it, for example, in “The Corbomite Maneuver,” by devising a brilliant ruse (the imaginary corbomite device) to outsmart the adversary there. He did it in “The Arena” by refusing to play by a rule — kill your opponent — set by the Metrones, thereby saving the Gorn crew and earning the respect of the Metrones.
The genius of Kirk has been that he can balance competing loyalities and values without betraying any of them, usually to the benefit of all of them. It involves discovering a creative solution requiring a justifiable risk, of which his Kobyashi Maru solution was the first (so far as we know).
Jim Kirk was many things, but he was never a biscuit.
Mrs. Fields
I’m really confused as to why everyone thinks that this movie will begin or take place in an alternate timeline in the universe of Star Trek. This seems far to convenient an excuse and frankly a terrible writing tool to use when undertaking a project like this.
People seem to take the time travel element of the story (Nero and Nimoy-Spock going back in time) as direct evidence of this movie being a different timeline. I submit that this is a rather silly theory. Simply because characters journey back in time does not automatically alter the timeline. I point to “Little Green Men,” “Assignment: Earth,” and Star Trek IV as the tip of the iceberg of evidence where characters in the Star Trek universe have gone back in time and fit in with what is supposed to happen. Nero and Spock traveling back in time may merely mean that they are fitting in with what is supposed to happen in the history of Star Trek as we know it.
People also seem to be taking the design of the bridge as evidence of changes in the timeline and are calling the design differences of the Enterprise results of Nero’s incursion. I point to an interview with Herman Zimmerman following the release of Star Trek Generations about the redesign of the bridge of the Enterprise-D. He stated that what he wanted to accomplish was to upgrade the bridge specifically for the big screen in what he felt was a natural transition to a screen ten times larger than the average TV and thus more detailed. He wanted fans to say, “Oh, that’s what I’ve been watching on that little TV set all these years!” I believe it is entirely possible that the design liberties taken with the Enterprise bridge in the upcoming film are of a similar vein.
Next, I point to a tendancy to ignore the ability of writers and storytellers to fill in the blanks of established canon. Canon has never established when or where James Kirk’s father died, so who is to say his death (if there is one) in this movie is not accurate? Canon has never established when Chekov came aboard the Enterprise (though, according to Khan, it was before his televised appearance) so who is to say he did not serve under Pike during Pike’s last year?
Finally, I point to a trend among Trek fans to ascribe things they do not like to alternate timelines, such as Star Trek: Enterprise. Enteprise was terrible at times, but I believe it had some of the finest moments of Trek encased within it, not the least of which was the appearance of the Borg in a brilliantly written episode.
So, please, give these writers a little more credit and try to keep an open mind that they do know what they are doing.
#534 – I think it’s silly to say they are “trying to erase the original series.” How can anyone physically do that?
I’ve been a Trekkie since seeing the original series premiere in 1966, and I have to say I was very pleased with the trailer.
I don’t understanding the comments about it not feeling like Trek. In a 1:46 trailer, we catch glimpses of Trek-style ships and space battles, shuttlecraft, space stations, Vulcans, Romulans, Klingons, green-skinned women, hand phasers, transporters — even Vas Quez rocks! This is definitely Trek — not Star Wars or Starship Troopers.
The characters are familiar. I see a logical Spock who can succumb to emotion under stress, a cynical Bones, a ship-loving Scotty, an earpiece-wearing Uhura, and a two-fisted, rule-breaking, woman-seducing Kirk.
Is it because the trailer doesn’t reveal any of the storyline and consists of a whirlwind of images? Well, that’s kind of typical of trailers that are released so many months in advance of a movie. Trailers that tell the story and linger on scenes longer come out closer to the movie’s release date.
as one of many enterprise modelers,, i thank the lord that they lit the rear of the warp engines!
#518
Remember last summer when Paramount put the “Managarie” or was it “Court Martial” in theaters….I wonder what that has to do with the plot of this movie???
I showed the trailer to my wife, a total non-Trekkie, and her reaction was: “Looks like they’re going for more action and less thought.”
As for me, the Enterprise still isn’t growing on me.
Maybe I’m missing something or just being an idiot but who is that who says the little “Space is disease…” speech?
i think it’s the (new bones) doctor
I am confused on one point: why are such young kids in command of a ship of the line?
What is this? Space Camp meets Trek?
And the Kirk EXXXTREME SPORTS I’M GONNA JUMP OUTTA THIS ‘65 CUDA thing is really, really horrid. Talk about jumping the shark.
I am equal parts excited and disappointed. Excited because I spotted what looks to be the orbital office complex from TMP, the shuttles speak to the design of the original, Kirk gets some, and does so in a room that includes a very 60’s looking lamp. They are paying homage just like they said they would.
But I’m disappointed because I’ve been imagining the events of this movie for 20 years and it will never live up. I think they blew it with the new Enterprise design. I want to see the Enterprise that I grew up with being built, not a new interpretation of it that I have no emotional connection to. Also this new Kirk has blue eyes and the new Bones doesn’t.
Rocks
I loved the big view-screen on the bridge. I froze on that frame, looking out over the heads of captain, helm and navigator.
What a relief that kirk decided to upgrade to a bigger screen. In the 60s, he was styling with a 52″ flat screen. But these days, to impress yer buddies you need like a 240″ mondo screen TV. Yes, one big-ass telly.
I have never seen a movie without paying for it, ie renting or going to the theatre or just buying the dvd. I am now at the point where there is a good chance I will see this movie, but an equally good chance I won’t waste my money on it. I honestly thought I would never in my life see a movie without paying for it as I feel it is wrong, so in that vein I may still not see this one.
I just don’t like the fact that they’ve been telling us that they will respect the past of star trek, but after seeing the pics of the bridge and the enterprise, I know that was all a bunch of lies. I mean, don’t get me wrong, it’s a cool looking ship, but it’s not the enterprise. It doesn’t fit in with the past 40 years of design of star trek, and as has been stated before, the Enterprise is a character in her own right.
I don’t have any problem with the person that designed the new ship, my problem is with the people at the top who set the direction for the design.
I’d say shame on them for lying to us, but it would be more accurate to say shame on us for trusting them.
Now please excuse me whilst i go have a drink and shed a tear to morn the death of star trek.
star trek for me ended with the death of ncc1701 in STIII
the following years was me hoping for her to return her as a character again
so since 1984 i have been searching
I hope that my search is over.
Waaa for you.
Konar (#527): “And 394: ‘Leadership research and history both show that a future captain/admiral of Kirk’s caliber and temperament would have been a Boy’s State, Eagle Scout, National Merit Scholar-type leader-in-training by the time he was ready for college. Perhaps the corporate suits at Paramount think a believable character background like that would just be too bruising to the starting-to-shave crowd’s shaky self-esteem.’”
Konar (#527): “I think I’d get banned if I responded to that the way I really want to respond to it.”
And the fact that you really want to respond to it that way is probably the way the corporate suits at Paramount think you would respond to a young Kirk drawn the way I described. Some audience members have a hard time liking characters who are superior to them in virtually every way. But Kirk is — he’s not like you and me. Like Commodore Stone said in TOS: “Court Martial,” “Not one man in a million could do what you and I have done– command a starship.”
Konar (#527): “Some of the best leaders are non-conformists who rebel against the establishment and want to do things their own way.”
Kirk is a non-conformist, most certainly. That’s been shown repeatedly. What was never shown, nor implied, nor even makes sense, is that Kirk was a bike-riding juvenile delinquent who felt out of place in the world.
Oh and the ship looks like complete ASS
I absolutely think it was the way that the trailer was cut that has thrown people for a loop. I know when I saw it on Friday I really hated it. I know that fast cutting is all the rage with the Hanna Montana generation, but I just can’t stand it. When I watch a trailer I want to be able to see just a little more. Trailers are supposed to tell small stories, and it started out that way. Then it just evolved into this mess of high-speed, hyper-kinetic cuts. It can be a little disorienting, and can serve to really undercut the promotion of a film.
But nothing is worse than that horrendous, seizure inducing Sopranos trailer that’s playing on TV right now.
I still see the old site.
And The8thDOCTOR is about as big a loser as Dennis Bailey.
They just played the TV spot during the commercials of The Sarah Connor Chronicles. *w00t*
477
I guess I’m just biased to Voyager, haha. They must of tweaked it a little to fit B’Elanna… I’m a Voyager fan, trying to give them some credit, ha. If ANYTHING, Voyager at least fit the whole need for skydiving in better than it would have fit into Generations? Generations is what got me hooked on ST, and if I had seen more of Kirk in it, I might have passed, ha. I think his role as it was hit the mark, no need for that skydiving scene. Otherwise they would have kept it, right?
kikaida thx for trolling
Nothing will ‘make or break’ this movie for me. I doubt there’s a single tangible model in this film or a ‘real’ orchestra like what James Horner or, to borrow from Star Wars, John Williams used. From what I see, the effects look computerized, very ‘fake’ for my tastes but certainly in-line or better than most modern effects shots. The most real effects I’ve ever seen in Star Trek were in TWOK, TSFS, and TUC; the worst were in TFF, INS, and NEM. From what I see, these will not be like those effects at all, just different.
I’m impressed with the trailer. I saw it twice on ‘the big screen’ and several times now online. I wish the cuts were a little longer so I could actually see something, but that’s probably intentional. I wonder when the next trailer will come up!
think of it this way, it was STIII that gave a lot of the next gen et al producers the models that those ham fisted bastards could pass of as 24th century
Trailer aired with Terminator
jiminy the things people will go on about.
The top is up early in the joyride when JTK is tearing it up, all by himself. Then you have the closeup of the speedometer. It is at the end of this closeup that we first hear the siren of the cop. Cut to the end of the joyride where we see the death of a nice car. Obviously there is some missing scenes in there, just like I suspect there will be more stuff between the closeup of the cop’s boot and the “My name is James Tiberius Kirk!”
I also kinda like the coming out of warp effect on the screen at 1:28-ish
I can’t watch the new trailer on the website. It requires Quicktime 7, and it costs nearly $30 to download. There’s no way I’d pay that kind of money for that. Thank goodness for Youtube, or I would have missed out!
565 go for the free option or torrent a cracked version
I haven’t read all these things but I keep seeing comments about what the big hole in the beginning of the trailer is. That is obviously supposed to be a quarry – he busts through a gate and fence during the chase, that appears to be around the quarry, then you can see the “squarish” blocks cut out of the sides. However, that is an awfully big and deep quarry, and it sure looks like the desert rather than iowa. Hm.
565: Strange. I have free Quicktime and it worked just fine.
Please look at this and tell me what you think. At the 1:20 mark when Spock is leading Amanda, Sarek and a couple of other guys it looks like the guy on the back left just behind Sarek is old Spock. There is one freeze frame where the image is clear. It’s a side view.
566:
We did download the free option, still didn’t work though. The free one is QT6, and I think it’s because we don’t have version 7.
ive had a chance to look at the trailer and looked at it in detail…i think it looks awesome…..wow really great
no reservations on my part any more
thanks to image here I think we can say that its likely the bridge display is a viewport with embedded video like KITT
http://kepfeltoltes.hu/081117/984956599vlcsnap-00001_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.png
#570
http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/
JJ and team, someone please explain the bridge urinal picture, it’s bloody killing me!!!! What the devil could that cat be doing?
#311 (SciFiMetalGirl): Agreed. I was 15 when I saw TMP and had such high expectations (I had watched TOS for 8 years by that point) that I was quite disappointed. I think the chances of that happening next May are quite small and can see the wisdom of Paramount holding the film till next Summer.
I really like how the suits are finally making a real effort to expand the fanbase (far) beyond the core. Frankly, I think the core has lost it’s way and is too buried in minutiae to really enjoy Trek anymore. Something like having trouble seeing the forest thru the trees.
I’ve always loved Trek, but I can certainly see how the insular nature of the fanbase can turn off those who haven’t made the same time and emotional investment in this Universe.
My hope is this movie will ignite the imaginations of the next generation (like my kids — 2, 4, and 7) and bring them and their friends into the fold. Bring people with the action and eye candy, then
I know it’s cliche, but it’s true: “Young minds, fresh ideas. Be tolerant.”
Note for JJ, boborci, and kurtzman: Love the trailer! Greatly anticipating the score! I hope the film isn’t nearly as frenetic (please no “Speed Racer” action). The new E looks great (thought it always did).
- Agree with earlier comments that the stunt work with young Kirk looked terrible (he looked like he was bolted down in spite of his flailing). Also, his hair color looks really yellow. Finally, do kids often refer to themselves with tripartite names? None that I know of.
- Really liked seeing the Big E under construction… on the ground…
- Glad to see that an actual Vulcan city with some scope (can’t wait to see the other population centers… esp. San Fran…) Given that ILM is doing the FX, I fully expect to see (at a minimum) detail similar to Corruscant. Missing from the Vulcan shot: Lots of AI/procedurally driven pedestrians and vehicles to make the city come alive. Otherwise, it looks like the aftermath of a neutron bomb.
- Not really digging the spinning transporter effect (but, this is par for the course, since I’ve never liked _any_ of the movie transporter effects).
- The Bridge and Interiors seem too bright. Maybe I’ll get used to that, but wow. I feel like I’d need sun glasses to work on that ship. (In my office, I like to work with _very_ subdued lighting.)
- Quinto looks incredible as Spock. Pine has good looks for Kirk. (I’ll reserve judgement on their speech since it was so short.)
- The space FX look fantastic (but, again, I consider this par-for-the-course — ILM should be able to do fantastic space battles with plastic models held together with glue and tape). Hope they come up with something new for Trek.
- Happy to see Bruce Greenwood onscreen! Enjoyed his work over the years!
- While I’m a Cho fan, I really hope his swordplay comes of fluidly. After the martial arts imports (Crouching Tiger, etc.), I hope his scenes don’t come off as “stilted”
- Nice to see a Trek “monster” that doesn’t look like a $20 costume made with lettovers from the mailroom.
- Yes, Trek needs to be sexed up (not a lot, but it looks like maybe you have a good medium). A little worried by the “Porky’s” situation with Kirk under the bed, however.
- Finally, can’t wait to see how Bana/Nero expresses his “frustrations”
Many thanks!
See everyone in line for the midnight show!
how about how the orbital sky dive suits are colored for division….blue, red and gold. cool!
i think thats a nice touch. but if there’s anything….anything at all that i’m just a little leery about its that sequence. It coud be quite an intense scene..ful of speed…..but i’m just wondering how audiences will perceive it. i’m sure they done a great job though.
527 — he’s holding what looks like a like Klingon disruptor, I’ve screenshotted it, Tony is going to put an article with shots soon. The phaser, as others pointed out, can be seen in a very blury form in the scene where Spock is lunging at Kirk, they don’t look the same.
Are those KLINGONS in the trailer? There is a quick cut near the end of the Romulan Commander between to aliens wearing helmets that have ridges in the front on the forehead. It kind of looks like he is fighting them. Are those Kilngons, or other Romulans?? Or other…? Very curious….
i miss McCoys southern accent
Dude, Quicktime is free. It doesn’t cost 30 bucks to unload.
569. Yes is does look like old old Spock.
[581] – Thank you for looking. This could be big news. Everyone else look now.
578,
Those are ‘Klingon Guards’
Trust me on this.
Love the new trailer. However, despite the secrecy I hope there is another trailer that possibly does show us more of what the story is. Who is Nero? Show us a little Nimoy, etc. Just saying for the NEXT trailer. No complaints about this one! :)
569
you have spock and amanda in the fore- ground
in the back ground to the left is a white vulcan [def not spock]
and to the right Sarek, and slightly hidden behind Sarek is a black Vulcan
You need the latest QT.
578 at what frame?
Hey nice trailer for “Star Ship Wars Troopers”.
Maybe in a few years we’ll get another “STAR TREK” film.
Oh well… :-(
Has anyone done HD screencaps yet?
[585] I’m talking about the white vulcan to our left behind Sarek. There is one freeze frame where it looks just like him. The rest are blurry. Well, the white Vulcans all look alike.
582 Wow! If you are correct then that really says a lot! Spock does meet his older self. Oh, May just can’t come fast enough!
check out the empire article, it answers many questions, not all but some
460.
Also, if you catch the ship going through the time portal just right. You can see a perfect sillhouette of Nero’s ship. The reports were correct. It does look like a squid to some degree. When I saw it the first time in that detail, I thought of the Squiddie from The Matrix films. Not that its bad. It actually looks. Cool. Spocks time ship is seen twice I believe. Small but apparently tough little ship.
Hey – at least the German kid nailed “Tiberius”…
theres a great jj talk through of the trailer at empireonline.com
GUYS! Look at the front license plate on the car. It has a pic of Kevin Smith!!!
lol kinda rascist but no, that character is not as frail as Nimoy
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Remember the effects in the LIS movie? Actually, they were very good. The style of ILM’s effects here reminds me of those. In this case, that’s a good thing.
Also, I see a stylistic continuity between the exterior of the ship, the bridge, and the corridors. Intentional, I hope!
And yeah, I was going to say, those corridors are SO reminiscent of the Andromeda Strain- also a good thing, IMO.
588, maybe Braga and boreman will do something for you
anyways i outta here for the now,
I have Somali pirates to fight
on you tube
peace all
why does the cop have his hands up at 0:36?
Cause he’s really Iron Man.
I would just like to say that the bridge looks huge in the trailer.
Quick question…..
What are the two towers in the sky at 0:09? Possibly the very beginnings of the new Enterprise?
You see them again at 0:19!
604. Dr. Schlaack – November 17, 2008
“What are the two towers in the sky at 0:09? Possibly the very beginnings of the new Enterprise?”
Can also see one at 0:06.
I don’t know what it could be… how long would it take to build a starship?
Also, I would like to know if they are building the E in Iowa or California or somewhere else.
Hmmm….
I don’t know of any deep canyons in Iowa…. Hahaha
“James Kirk was many things but he was NEVER a boyscout!” — Dr Carol Marcus, Star Trek II:TWOK
what, nobody ever gets this!?:
The motto of the Boy Scouts is “Be Prepared”. Jim Kirk didn’t have protection, ergo “Not Prepared”, and after their little docking maneuver, Carol Marcus got knocked up.
There is such a thing as subtext and double entendre in Star Trek. Really…
It’s a Quarry, not a canyon. Also, how do we know it’s Iowa?
Iowa is just a possibility.
We do know that he was born and grew up there, and due to the fact that he is young during the canyon scene, you can infer that he is in Iowa.
Who knows, maybe the Kirks moved around a lot, but that sure would be one big quarry!
Just saw the “TV Spot” during Terminator on Fox. Sweet! Now I have it in HD on the big screen!
I just saw the TV spot with the Sarah Conner Chronicles at 830p pacific time. Wasn’t expecting that so soon.
Looks like Star Trek is finally going to be good again! That hasn’t happened in over ten years!
If you like the prospect of this movie, you’re right to do so and a good person. You’re opinion counts.
If you don’t like the prospect of this movie you’re automatically a whiner and stuck in the past. You’re obviously a bad person and you can’t possibly be a real Star Trek fan if you dont embrace this film with all your heart and soul.
I love the logic of the gusher side. One can’t possibly have genuine concerns about the movie. If you dont gush like the majority here something is wrong with you and youre automatically in the wrong.
I thought opinions were neither right nor wrong, but anyone who has a doubt is written off like some mental abberant. A villiage idiot who doesnt know what she’s talking about. “Canonista’s” has a rather negative vibe.
Not saying there’s anything wrong with liking it. But maybe a little more respect ought to be given to those who don’t. Theyre Trek fans too, and if it wasnt for their support in the past the possibility of this movie being made would be nonexistent. I dont blame them for feeling abandoned.
Oh and if you see the old site hit refresh on your browser.
Who knows what happened in Iowa in the next few hundred years. Maybe there was a natural disaster, or the war, or something. There’s all kinds of reason there could be a canyon, if it’s even Iowa at all. Good God, people, use from freaking imagination and stop picking at these weird little details. It’s sad and creepy.
Who is the Vulcan-ish looking dude on the bridge, to the right side of the frame at 1:40?
I got some HD screencaps :) Very interesting to see what is in all of the frames. Klingon guards are quite clever, I see the helmet, but I am not convinced yet. The Sarek character looks just as good as Mark Lenard.
Who is the girl with Kirk when he is in his drawers? And why is Scotty soaked, if that is him.
And I dont know but why when I watch this do I have the urge to say “I….have had….enough of….you (ST3)?
Wouldn’t it be great if it really came out on Christmas, and the whole thing was just a big joke?
Wait a minute, didnt the Enterprise undergo a refit in canon terms between April and Pike? Or am I lost somewhere?
614. April Roberts – the reason we’re “picking” on the whiners is because their reasons for whining are so petty, and based on so very little information.
No canyons in Iowa.
It’s stupid that young Kirk says his full name.
They built the Enterprise on the ground! (Oh my God!)
The Enterprise looks different!
Stupid swirly things when Spock beams down.
Blah blah blah blah blah. It goes on an on.
It’s simply proof that many of you have decided to hate the movie no matter what. That’s what we are complaining about. Face it, you guys have judged the movie already and are sentencing it to death before it’s ever shown. I haven’t decided whether I’ll like the movie or not. I’ll wait ’til I see it. But I have decided to give it the benefit of the doubt and be excited that it’s coming.
It’s the mature, rational thing to do. Bleating about stupid little details and then crying persecution isn’t.
613
make that 24 years
It’s funny how people are saying that the story and thought provoking element of Trek died with this movie. You cry babies haven’t even seen the movie yet. They can’t reveal the storyline 7 MONTHS before the film comes out. That would spoil everything. This trailer grabs people’s attention by saying, “TREK IS BACK” and they did exactly that. How in the world people can judge an entire movie with a 2 minute trailer is insane.
Also, to everyone complaining that the Enterprise is too “updated” need to stop their crying. If it looked like it did in the 60s show it would obviously be insane. I mean, do people realize that the Playstation 3 is more advanced than some of the equipment on the TOS Enterprise bridge? In 2008 we need to make it look mind blowing to our current level of technology and they did a good job in my opinion, while keeping it realistic.
I swear there are so-called “fans” praying for the downfall of this movie and it’s disgusting. It’s the same type of “fans” that hate when their private joys go mainstream. Imagine if this movie is a huge success? There will be people on this site saying, “Trek is SOOO Hannah Montana!” Are you serious? How? Because it was exciting, fun and people liked it? Be happy that JJ breathed life in Trek again, seriously.
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“It’s a Quarry, not a canyon. Also, how do we know it’s Iowa?”
We don’t. But since the license plate says IOWA on it, either he’s in Iowa right now or he just drove the thing cross country….while being chased by a cop.
@161: “Oh and the car looks like a ‘65 Stingray to me. I wonder what metaphor that is supposed to be?”
Could that be the year that Gene R. pitched Trek to the networks?
Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|
Ooops! Damn Typonians. My reply was for 191!
Can any of you Paramount trolls explain the salad shooters? I’m sure it’s not an important plot point.
I thank you in advance.
If you are one of those people that can’t follow trailers:
Young Kirk driving the Corvette into the quarry is in Iowa (why else would they give us the close-up of the license plate).
We see the large, strange “buildings” in the background twice, during this chase and then later when 20something Kirk is leaving to drive his bike cross-country to San Francisco to join Starfleet Academy. (Given the description of the events from the excerpts shown at the roadshow, there is some Starfleet presence in Iowa, which is how Kirk gets into the bar fight and meets Pike, who challenges him to join Starfleet.)
As for the design of the Enterprise, it really doesn’t look THAT different than what we’ve seen over the years. (I mean, when you count all the different ways that ST comic books and novel covers have had creative ‘interpretations’ of the Enterprise…this is pretty on-target.)
I LIKE the big bridge! And despite what the naysayers say, it looks like a very good blend of form and function, projecting forward from today’s technology. I work creating UIs for stock market trading software — those guys are running anywhere from 4-8 flat panel displays, interpreting some fast-moving and dense market information. Now imagine what sort of information display needs you would have to show all the physics involved in warp propulsion and interstellar navigation…when I saw those sweeping curved “tiled” displays at the workstations I knew that someone had actually put some thought into this.
i wonder if the Nex Gen fans feel cheated?
Here is the link to the 2 wallpapers.
http://www.startrekmovie.com/downloads/desktop.php?file=d32_1920.jpg&width=1920&height=1200
http://www.startrekmovie.com/downloads/desktop.php?file=d31_1920.jpg&width=1920&height=1200
630.
Why would TNG fans feel cheated?
I’m a next gen fan and I don’t feel cheated at all.
Remember this is trailer 1 – we probably will get 2 or more trailers before the movie is out – each emphasizing a particular angle of the story.
Personally, I think this one is aimed at the 12 – 16 year old boys. We will most likely get a cut that is a bit more awe inspiring, more cerebral in keeping with the Roddenberry Trek.
I’m not saying that the movie will resemble a Roddenberry Trek, but if I’m working marketing at Paramount, I’m thinking we need a cut that appeals to the baby boomer Trek fans (45 + crowd.) Mo money mo money mo money
#630, being a huge Next Gen fan, a part of me is really saddened about the direction they took Trek. I always wanted that final adventure and judging from the time and money they put into THIS film, a TNG closure of this scale would have been insane.
I was a big fan of all the Trek series that came after believe it or not, DS9, VOY, ENT. I think there were a lot of great stories that were yet to be written and I’ll probably always feel a little sad about the story being cut short.
However, with all that being said. I have really grown to appreciate this project and what they are trying to do with it. I love Trek period and it’s clear that it’s alive and well in this film and have nothing but respect for JJ and his team for making it possible.
270. garen – November 17, 2008
has anyone noticed that the cliffs in the beginning sequence look very MAN MADE. It doesnt seem to be a natural rock formation at all. The rocks….or blocks rather are very geometrical in shape and order. Large cubes that have been stacked high on one another.
Any thoughts?
273. Rainbucket – November 17, 2008
I love that after shooting a brief establishing shot at Vasquez Rocks in ST VI, we now see similar locations all over the Vulcan location. Maybe even an implication that they were created by the Romulan attack in this movie.
Does Iowa have any gigantic canyons like that? Maybe it’s left from the Xindi attack, in a nod to Enterprise?
302. Lord Garth, Formerly of Izar – November 17, 2008
Notice big grand canyon like bluffs in the background as young Ani-Kirk dupms Pappy’s vette into the chasim. I suspect this is the grand Canyon and young Jim tore ass out of Iowa to drive to Starfleet Command for some reason. The Robocop catches up with him somewhere in Utah, Colorado??
535. SteveinSF – November 17, 2008
Ok, so that big crack in Iowa, anymore thoughts on that? Maybe that whole Zendi weapon thing from Enterprise?
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It’s a quarry:
http://comps.fotosearch.com/bigcomps/EYW/EYW192/e008740.jpg
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This movie will make Star Trek relevant again. I have been a die hard trekker all my life and I love the original cast. If this is indeed a reboot, the “Great Bird” already gave his blessings. As long as the ideals of optimism and hope are maintained, then Star Trek lives. He would be pleased that this franchise is being reinvigorated.
“i wonder if the Nex Gen fans feel cheated?”
nope, this is great. who knows, maybe the next TV series will be ‘Star Trek : Stargazer’
rabble rabble rabble.
i already saw Galaxy Quest
I’ve been a fan for my entire life… literally. I’ve enjoyed Star Trek tremendously, and even worked at Star Trek: The Experience for the last two and a half years of it’s existence. I can’t wait for the new Experience to open either. However I have been disappointed by Trek within recent years.
I think film makers and TV producers are starting to lose sight of Roddenberry’s vision of the future. It’s not about cool looking space ships and huge explosions. It’s about people and the situations they face. But if you’re going to make a movie that takes place in a specific universe, you have to take the universe with it. Honoring the “spirit” of a universe doesn’t matter when you break the truths that millions of people have accepted for 40+ years.
When I heard they were making a new Trek movie, I was very excited. I just kept thinking, “Lord, please don’t let them screw up.” And then I saw the teaser. And I thought again, “Please don’t let them screw it up.” And now, all I can do is hope that the world will give someone else another chance, because honestly, I’m disappointed and pissed off beyond belief.
When they originally announced the new movie was coming out on Christmas day this year, I was already making plans to show up at the Palms on Christmas eve in the best Trek uniform I could find. But now, I’m not even planning to see it.
They took Nemesis, added the screw-ups of ENT, threw in lots of Star Wars, tossed in some Galaxy Quest, and then made Abrams the director. And then someone beat it with a hammer until it was nice and powdered, added some water, and tried to use a Japanese method to make polished crap.
I’m disappointed.
Does anyone els think that the things in the background when Little Kirk jumps outta the car look like ruins?
Also I think the things in the background may be arcologies or something similar
These are the best SFX I have ever seen!!!!!!!
The Klingon at 1:30 does not have ridges on forehead …
643. lostrod – November 17, 2008
The Klingon at 1:30 does not have ridges on forehead …
I think that is a Romulan.
Wow I like the trailer, I didn’t know George Lucas was making another Star Wars film?!!!
389. DATA KILLED SPOT – November 17, 2008
WHAT MAKES JJ THINK THAT PEOPLE OF THE 23RD CENTURY WILL WEAR DENIM AND LEATHER? WHAT PRIMATIVE CHOICES FOR CLOTHING! HOW DARE HE!!!!!!!!! AND AUTOMOBILES? DIRT ROADS? POLICE OFFICERS? GIVE ME A BREAK!
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What makes you think they won’t? Denim jeans have been around since the 1850s. I think there will still be a few car collectors around in the 23rd century and that a dirt road is perfectly acceptable access to a quarry or construction site.
394. Son of Surak – November 17, 2008
“Big problem: a lot of the production values here seem absurdly dated. Too much of it screams c. 2008.”
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Bigger problem: a lot of the production values in TOS seem grossly dated. Too much of it screams c. 1966.
“Even bigger problem: young Kirk. The character in Star Trek is James T. Kirk. NOT James Dean. Absolutely nothing about the Kirk character suggests he was ever a lost, trying-to-find-himself, rebel misfit. Leadership research and history both show that a future captain/admiral of Kirk’s caliber and temperament would have been a Boy’s State, Eagle Scout, National Merit Scholar-type leader-in-training by the time he was ready for college. Perhaps the corporate suits at Paramount think a believable character background like that would just be too bruising to the starting-to-shave crowd’s shaky self-esteem.”
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I don’t know any Eagle Scout, National Merit Scholar-type leader-in-training that would repeatedly disobey orders, cheat on a test, steal a starship, abandon his son or manipulate his superiors so that he could get a command that helps him deal with his midlife crisis, all while getting copious amounts of tail.
“Abrams and company apparently don’t get Kirk; neither probably does the pretty boy Abrams picked to play him”
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That’s a pretty bold statement about film you haven’t seen yet, and even making it personal. Please see your earlier comment about “shaky self-esteem”. Sounds like you want Trek created in your own image.
“Chances of it becoming a classic like Star Wars or Blade Runner are next to nil. “
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I’ll agree with you on that. Topping the original Star Wars or Blade Runner would be a huge task.
i realize that star trek will beat star wars!
647, Star Wars was only beaten because George Lucas directed the prequels!
And, boy, did they stink on ice!
I started watching TNG when I was about 7 or 8. My mom grew up with Trek, and one night she was watching Next Gen. I sat down and started to watch, and the rest is history. I love the original crew, and the TOS films, but I’m not as strictly beholden to TOS as some others are. But I am a very atypical Trekker, I guess. I’ve collected a lot of books, most of the Playmates and Art Asylum ships and prop replicas, models, posters, and the music. I LOVE Star Trek in all its forms, and I, as a 9 year-old, left the theater crying when Captain Kirk died in Generations. (I can already hear the jokes coming about everyone leaving Generations crying, but admit it, there are still a few things to like about the movie.)
However, I’ve never been to a Con, but I visited ST: Experience several times, including my 21st birthday, and I even went to The Tour in Long Beach. Trek is one of the most influential forces in my life.
Having laid out my cred, I can honestly say that I truely embrace the LESSONS of Star Trek, and as such, I can let go of my prejudice and honestly say that J.J. Abrams and Co. have me completely hooked. Sure the new Enterprise is a bit different, sure the Bridge has barcode scanners sitting on the consoles exactly like the ones I use at work , sure Uhura is hot (wait, wasn’t that always the case?), but change can be a good thing. And I think that if some of the naysayers spent a little more time looking for what these guys have gotten right instead of what they think is wrong, they would be surprised.
Look closer at the Enterprise. This ship really does seem do fall in line as a predecessor to the refit Connie. Docking ports identical, saucer nearly identical, phaser banks very similar, deflector similar, photon torpedo laucher similar, interconnecting dorsal “stripe” is there, and the window pattern on the saucer rim is even identical. And come on, every shot of her in the trailer screams “U.S.S. ENTERPRISE”. And if you ignore the updated aesthetic and focus on the similarities, I think it does still have Star Trek at its core.
We can’t know much more about the story, the characters, or the supreme court’s vision of Star Trek and its ideals from a two minute trailer meant to make us drool and pique the interest of casual moviegoers and non-trekkers.
These guys have gone to ENORMOUS lengths to try and please us, and yet we are not the target audience, merely one section of it. I say, they’ve done their part. We need to do ours and keep our minds open until May.
If you walk into this film accepting that it’s a failure and don’t give it an honest chance you will NOT be satisfied and I beg you to not show up to the theater. For all our sakes, please do not show up, I don’t feel like hearing groans and complaining. “That’s not MY Enterprise!”
Now this is just silly.
547, I could not agree more! I have watched this trailer in several forms over the passed few days. I have to say that from what I have seen so far this will probably be a big hit in the spring. In some way I am glad of that. I have to say I love the cast and the costumes, but I have to wonder, could not have someone that saw the new costumes and have said “please do the same thing with the Enterprise and the Enterprise sets as well”. The production design on this film is very wanting. It does not capture the feel of TOS at all. Their costumes are the only thing that even comes close! They did a brilliant job with the uniforms! I have to wonder that there must have been some meeting where and someone said ” Ok do the same thing with the sets and the ship that you did with the costumes! Simply put It is bad art direction and bad production design!!!! All that aside I hope that this film cares on the Star trek legend!
…Someone needs to take Zoe Saldana to a couple of buffets and put some meat on her. You can easily count her ribs!
Hey, at 1:42 you can clearly see Shatner dropping by the set!
And they said he wasn’t in it.
#650
Wow, this fine example of literary work just completely “blew me away” almost as much as the NEW TRAILER did.
Great job “JonnyBoy,” you wrote a fine comment, I think it’s one of the best I have read on this forum!
MANY KUDOS!!
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Wow!
Mission Impossible beginning…check!
Top Gun motor bike drive by…check!
An Officer and a Gentleman self doubt…check!
James “Hellboy” Kirk versus C’thulhu…check!
TARDIS interior…check!
Cast from NCC-90210…check!
lol to 651. you are not star trek fan huh get out of here will ya!
#640
I just wonder how you can determine if the film will hold up to Roddenberry’s vision of the future from a 1 minute trailer. And correct me if I’m wrong but I thought the stories, characters and adventure were more important than the ‘look’ of TOS?
If we judged the series by its design and effects I can tell you Star Trek wouldn’t have lived for 40 odd years. But we didn’t. And I don’t see why the same can’t be applied to the new film.
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You’re correct. They’ll find that out [as usual] the hard way next year.
I swear, some of you “naysayers” need to have Capt. Kirk drive the USS CONSTELLATION up your butts and click that old style rocker switch to overload that “honery” impulse engine.
Maybe that will blast a hole right through that crusty impenetrable neutronium cricicism you all share…jeez at least try to have an open mind if you want to really call yourselves “star trek fans.”
Dammit Jim, I am a TREK FAN, not a naysayer!
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Thanks very much, Trekwebmaster.
I’m looking forward to this movie and everything and i’m glad that there trying something different here its what the franchise needs. although i was thinking this movie is’nt going with canon because, with the episode the cage there was no kirk on the enterprise, and that i presume was a few years after this movie takes place i believe. maybe i’m wrong i don’t know.
#660 – You must be psychic to know this movie will be a big failure after seeing a 60-second trailer and some photographs. Thank you for saving me the time and money. Now I don’t have to see the film because I already know it’s a piece of crap.
But you must prove to me you are indeed a psychic. Tell me, what finger am I holding up?
prolly the one you pick boogers out of your nose with LOL???
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#12, #660
Yeah, this movie is gonna blow. It is aimed for kids. Seriously, I can’t wrap my head around why everyone is so excited. This is just another action movie. This is not Star Trek.
I threw up a little in my mouth when I heard Scotty say that corny line in the trailer.
Watch this trailer and then watch the trailer for Star Trek II or the TMP. Big difference.
Just saw the trailer in HD after seeing it in the theaters on Friday. Love it.
And the new Enterprise gets more appealing — more gorgeous — every time I look at it.
Here’s what I have to say on the trailer.
First, Kirk taking the ‘vette and careening it over the cliff, and then riding a motorcycle re-shows insights into Kirk’s character. Both of those activities are at least moderately to heavily risky, and both involve antiques. Kirk has always taken risks, or else he wouldn’t have said: “Risk is part of the game if you wanna sit in that chair.” And recall Kirk’s apartment in TWOK, it was filled with antiques.
Secondly, the Enterprise. What the **** is everyone’s problem with it? It looks like the Enterprise. But, you know. COOLER. SLEEKER. And by far the most beautiful iteration of the Big E in years. Lay off the poor ship.
Thirdly, I think what’s been said about the plot possibility is true.
Fourth…ZOE TOPLESS!!!! *drools*
In conclusion….I feel the same feeling I felt when First Contact was coming out. Insurrection was a complete waste of time, and Nemesis, while not as bad as Insurrection, would have been much better if Berman hadn’t cut it to “just under two hours”. This movie’s trailer gives Trek an epic feel that I haven’t felt in years. Thank you JJ. You’ve made a fan of 20 years of Trek very happy. Now if only Paramount hadn’t pushed the movie back. *grumbles* And Playmates had better not **** up the toy of the Enterprise like they did the Ent-E for FC and Ins.
It’s certainly an exciting trailer. But wonderment? … hm. not so much. Star Trek was about strange new worlds and new civilizations — exploring ourselves. Not so much about the fighting. Even the Borg stuff was more about getting chased and trying to out-think them… never about gun fights.
Maybe after this first one, once everyone is introduced to the cast, we’ll set out on a real adventure of discovery and exploration again…..
In the words of Dr. McCoy, “This film is Star Trek wrapped in Pretty and Shiny”.
#659 Nice nickname! I had the pleasure of visiting HMS ENTERPRISE over the summer. It gave us a real kick to be on board a ship bearing the name- and the 7 year old boy beamed with delight when he sat in The Captains chair. MAGIC.
Son of Surak:
Please stop driving by my house in the middle of the night, and dressing like me. I’ve seen ‘Single White Female’ and quite frankly, you’re scaring me. I’m even more scared that you have a James T. Kirk shrine in your basement. I know that that you think that I can do no wrong and that I may have a scholarly background, but hell, even George W. Bush went to Yale! Sheesh, one of my equestrian buddies, Jean Luc Picard even stirred-up some trouble in his academy days. C’mon, we’re only human, right? I don’t mean to burst your bubble, but MAN, was I pumped with testosterone in those days! You would not believe how much action I got when I was in the Academy! Bones was still giving me crap about it even when we were in jail! Annnnnd, Y-E-S, to clarify, I DID tell 5-0 my FULL name when he asked for it. The only other exclamation of a person’s name that may have topped my cocky show of defiance to that cop was when I screamed Khan’s name into my communicator when I was stranded in the Genesis cave. Man, I told Mr. Roarke what time it was! I didn’t even have to pull the “T.J. Hooker blows-away Fantasy Island” card!
An no, I don’t want to “…go to the sizzler and catch some grub”.
Sincerely,
James Tiberius Kirk
PS. Some of you are wondering why my roots are showing when I drive my Uncle’s replica ‘Vette into the quarry. Duuuuuuh! It’s what all the kids were doing to their hair in the 23rd century. Haven’t you ever had a ‘fro, ducktail or Flock of Seagulls haircut? Don’t be so lame!
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536. Son of Surak – November 17, 2008
Jon (#512) “what’s tactical about cheating and changing the rules? It’s not like he can reprogramme the situation out on the field.”
Well, Starfleet Academy evidently concluded Kirk did not cheat, else he would have been punished for cheating rather than commended for original thinking. This turned out to be an invaluable leadership trait, because Kirk did, in fact, “reprogramme the situation” out on the field, critically, on a number of occasions.
He did it, for example, in “The Corbomite Maneuver,” by devising a brilliant ruse (the imaginary corbomite device) to outsmart the adversary there. He did it in “The Arena” by refusing to play by a rule — kill your opponent — set by the Metrones, thereby saving the Gorn crew and earning the respect of the Metrones.
The genius of Kirk has been that he can balance competing loyalities and values without betraying any of them, usually to the benefit of all of them. It involves discovering a creative solution requiring a justifiable risk, of which his Kobyashi Maru solution was the first (so far as we know).
TRAILER MUSIC INFO:
It seems that the music from the trailer is a mix between two songs.
1) “War Begins” by Brian Tyler from the soundtrack of Children of Dune
2) “Down with the Enterprise” by Two Steps From Hell
When the music kicks in after the car chase, it’s clearly from “Down with the Enterprise”, but as the song continues it begins to sound more like “War Begins” due to the pitch of the notes. The pitch of some of the notes in “War Begins” are slightly higher than those of “Down with the Enterprise” and the trailer appears to contain these higher pitches.
As far as the trailer itself, I’m not about to try to analyze each clip since I don’t feel we have enough definitive info yet. What I can say is that I saw it before Quantum of Solace and, when I left the theater, I was thinking about Star Trek and not Bond.
As far as canon, I love it as much as the next Trekie/Treker/what-have-you. However, I agree with those above who state that Trek has broken canon many times before. Sometimes it’s unavoidable and stands in the way of good storytelling. I trust that J.J. and company will do the best they can to satisfy our canon needs. All-in-all, I can’t wait until March and I’ll be watching this trailer again and again to tide me over.
668.
Yeah, those Playmates ships were pretty good until the Enterprise_E came out. That ship is one of my favorite starship designs, and they really f***ed it up. I hope they’ve seen what Art Asylum has given us and taken note.
Man, yeah thank you JJ. Thank you for ruining 40 years + history of star trek. This movie makes no sense. Where is Gary Mitchell?? Where is Kelso? Why is Pike so much older than Kirk? Why isn’t Kirk on Talos IV as a kid? I bet you they overlooked so many things. This is supposed to a be a Trek period piece, right? Why does everything look so different. Isn’t Kirk supposed to a lieutenant on the Farragut before the Enterprise? ANd where where the hell is Robert April??
Actually, J.J. Abrams’ directing looks pretty solid. There were some creative, effective shots in there, and the lack of Shakycam pleases me.
Robert April was killed by Kelso under orders from Nero who was using Future Guy’s communication thingy while Gary Mitchell flew a shuttle into a rock on Talos IV.
Take a red pill guys, seriously. We’ll all live longer. Six months to go.
It’s Funny this Star Trek Movie was Made to Appeal to a General Audience, and Not Star Trek Fans, that’s Probably why all the “naysayers.” Good for a Movie, not so good For a Fan.
In the trailer for all the Paul McGillion fans out there. You can see him in the hanger has a Starfleet instructor. He is on the left side of the screen. He is alittle small but you can back him out if you look.
#677
hahahaha, at this point I wouldn’t be surprised if that really happens.
I’ve watched the HD trailer more times now than I care to admit, and I’m pretty much in love with it. What they’ve gotten right so far exceeds what they’ve gotten wrong–well, this fan from ‘66 is delighted. I never was sure how Trek became synonymous with, you know, the guy in the Spock ears in Shatner ’s SNL bit; TOS was always a unique combination of Gene’s progressive vision with baser tendencies: the womanizing, the fights, the humor. It’s awesome to see that exuberance again–it’s the one thing this experiment had to get right, and did. And I love these interpretations of the characters already. Bring it on!
It’s probably been mentioned, but the gate young Kirk smashes through actually has a sign that says “Open Quarry Ahead”.
678.
Maybe not for some fans, but this could be good for Star Trek, and I was skeptical two years ago, too.
680.
Uhhh…. really? Bob Orci probably would have thrown up in his mouth if someone had suggested that to him. He’s a Trekkie. He’s proven it on this forum. Let’s give him and the rest of the Trek team a break.
Well guys, the reason why I am excited, this movie is and has:
a good storyline from what I have gleaned.
reminds me of some of the great comic book stuff which I would have pulled my teeth to have made into a movie.
it makes me feel like a kid again when i see a film that takes me back to when i first saw TOS on tv.
trek being more than the sum of its parts…yes this film does that.
realizing that trek isn’t some moldy antique that sits around in an attic, but instead has been revived and rejuvenated…it makes me feel young.
realizing that there are “roses by another name, and the smell is still as sweet,” called star trek.
I have and will keep an open mind…is that too much to ask?
i will think outside of the box…it’s much less crowded and alot more liberating that way.
I am gonna give this movie a chance…disregard negative perspectives from people who haven’t seen the film…and wait and see it myself.
Why is everyone so negative when they haven’t seen the darn film yet? I don’t understand it.
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Don’t speak for me, I’m a fan and I’m really excited about this film.
I think we’re getting the terms “fanatic” and “fan” mixed up. Some people here are fanatical (angry, inflexible) and some are simply fans (supportive, excited, hopeful).
My guess is that the fanatics mostly voted for McCain/Palin.
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A thoughtful post, spot on. Though, it’s pretty much wasted here, I’ll admit. But, that’s their decision. Their money. They can waste it any way they want, and they will. You and I have the same right; and believe you me, I’m staying clear. I’m not here to convince them of anything, just offering an opinion. nothing more.
I’m a First Generationer from the glory days. I’ve had my fun and moved on. I’m not interested in any of it anymore, in any form. I’m just here for the back and forth
As for my opinion on the trailer…Zach Quinto’s a good man. Bright future. The rest, forget it.
Good Lord.
675— Have you seen the movie yet? I know I haven’t.
#683
If he was really a Trekkie. I mean someone who cared about Star Trek, then he wouldn’t have made a movie that looks like Star Wars. It seems like this team is just making an action flick. It looks like it’s aimed at the Transformers crowd. They are messing around with the Enterprise, the characters, the history, hell…Everything. Those episodes, those 3 seasons of history, those 6 movies. THrown out the window. The history is so screwed up here, it’s bad. And it’s funny how everyone was bad mouthing Berman for “screwing” up Trek history his time traveling plots, and here comes JJ Abrams and his writers screwing up the history more than Berman ever did and giving us another time travel story and you guys praise him.
I’m sorry, I want to like this movie. But this looks like Star Wars Episode 7 and the way they’re pitching it there is no sense of wonder or discovery of the human soul like in TMP or the best episodes of the original series. This looks like an action movie. Nothing more.
684: “Why is everyone so negative when they haven’t seen the darn film yet? I don’t understand it.”
Because it’s more secure to be a big fish in a small pond than a small fish in a big pond. Those that are condemning this movie before seeing it and basing that condemnation on the minutia of technical details and obscure continuity have enjoyed being the big fish in the small pond of Trek for many years. They see that this new movie is smartly-made, at least from what they can detect from the trailer, and will more likely than not be a huge blockbuster that will usher in a new age of modern Trek.
The pond is about to get a lot bigger.
#684
Are you kidding me? Look how it’s being pitched. It’s being pitched like a generic action movie. Trust me, if Berman did something like this…messing with canon this bad. Everyone would be getting their pitchforks.
#689, that’s my assessment as well. Good points.
Favorite moments from the trailer:
- My name is James Tiberius Kirk! (F*** yeah, it is!)
- Enterprise in (true) drydock. Beautiful, and I had a WTF moment when I first saw that new pic of her.
- Pine looks like Jim Kirk somehow.
- The Vulcans have cool cities.
- Enterprise goes to warp. (drooooool.)
- Kirk and Spock on the bridge. This is Star Trek.
- Kelvin fights, shuttles flee. (My jaw dropped at the beauty, chaos, and sheer scale of that first Kelvin battle shot.)
- The bridge looks much better on screen. I like it, barcode scanners and all.
- Orbital skydiving is old hat for Kirk. (And it looks amazing. We’ve never seen anything like this in Trek before.)
- The Enterprise arrives at Vulcan. (THE Red Alert klaxon, Kirk and Uhura running through those pretty corridors, and Captain Christopher Pike being a badass. Who’d have thought he’d ever get introduced to a general audience?! This is the most Trek-ish part of the trailer, I think. And the bridge scanner under the viewscreen is there, too! Best Viewscreen shot ever.)
- Uhura is hot. ‘Nuff said.
- Enterprise from the front…. still looks like the Enterprise. Imagine that…
- Kirk is truly holding on for dear life.
- Hikaru Sulu, everyone!
- Montage! Music! Ahhhhh, my brain is going to explode!! (In a good way.)
- Is it me, or does the U.S.S. Kelvin already seem like a truly kickass, legendary Starship going out in a blaze of glory?
Damn, I love this trailer.
I just want to know if Kirstie Alley is going to reprise her role as Saavik. Yeaaaah Saavik…yeaaaah.
#690
I think you’ve made some great points in your responses to #684–I too was a little horrified at the Star Wars-style treatment at first. I think it’s the two-shot of Spock and a bruised up Kirk, on the bridge, looking at the screen, BOLDLY (kind of rules out Berman right there), that sold me. But I can appreciate your take, as I can everyone’s (well, almost everyone’s) here.
Whoa ! .. all the posts ! .. it’s 667 and I grew tired at 99 …. !
In the HD clips at apple… the HD 480p of Trailer # ! still says, “Christmas 2008″ , for what it’s worth …
A new Trek movie and trailer is NEW ! .. it’s extending the franchise ! I always envied “Dr. Who” for extending itself with different actors. I’m glad the ST Universe finally did this with TNG, DS9, Voy, and Enterprise. All the series had some real gems and some real wasted air time.
Action and adventure gets my attention. I hope it’s fun !
I hear that McCoy and Scotty come off well. Sulu looks good too, and Uhura. I’m hoping for some Triad fun, Kirk, Spock & McCoy [ I really liked DeForest Kelly as well as Nimoy ]
If you could suport ST III, V (!), and the 1st and 3rd TNG movies … you should be able to give this one a fair chance.
I’m hopin’ for the best !
“Buckle Up” ! ;-)
Let’s also not forget that it wouldn’t be the first time Trek has aimed for a more Star wars-style of action. That opening battle in FC is one of the most badass moments in Trek and Berman and others admitted they looked to Star Wars for inspiration.
688.
I give up. I’m not going to try to change your mind (because there’s nothing wrong with the one you have. Hehehe, Spock joke. Ahem, sorry.)
I’m sorry that the next year or so will be terrible for you. Fortunately, There’s always the Trek that once was. As for myself, I’ll be adding this Blu Ray to the collection to stand alongside its (soon-to-be) bretheren when they are all released next year. Still, I hope you will at least try to go to the theater with an open mind if only to enjoy two new hours with old (but also new) friends. Live long and prosper.
conversation and discussion! You guys are great!
Live Long and Prosper!
THIS IS JJ ABRAMS’ DISCUSSION OF WHAT WE SEE IN THE TRAILER:
We open on the young Kirk (Jimmy Bennett) hurtling down a desert highway in a stolen car. There’s nothing overtly Star Trek or even overtly science fiction and that, says Abrams, was kind of the point. “I felt that it would begin the movie in a way that felt unexpected and sort of grounded.”
“There are a couple of sequences that take place in Iowa and some in San Francisco and it was just important that the movie feel connected to familiar terrain before it became about things that you more might expect.”
“The scenes on Earth were important to feel a sense of future but also a real sense of now as well. Star Wars is a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away but Star Trek is our future, so it’s important that we not feel disconnected from that.”
“The idea with the trailer was to start with something unexpected and Earth-bound and then thrust you into the world of Trek.” Cue Kirk’s pursuer – a decidedly futuristic-looking traffic cop. The youngster identifies himself as James Tiberius Kirk.
Chris Pine as Kirk, gazing up at the USS Enterprise, at this point still under construction. The voiceover (Bruce Greenwood as Captain Pike) speaks of misspent youth and squandered potential. “Kirk, at this point, is all potential and he’s rather aimless. He’s a good guy but he does some foolish things, mostly because he doesn’t quite know how to use his power and what to do.”
“The night you meet him in the movie is the scene in the bar. That’s pretty much a typical night for him. The woman he’s trying to pick up, in this case Uhura, just happens to be the one who’s there that night. It’s not that he isn’t capable or smart but he’s directionless and part of his story in this movie is becoming the man that we all expect to see. ”
Vulcan, where we catch our first glimpse of the young Spock (Jacob Kogan).
Spock’s parents. His human mother Amanda Grayson (Winona Ryer) and his Vulcan father Sarek (Ben Cross).
Zachary Quinto as Spock – the swirly lights replace the classic speckling effect as Abrams’ interpretation of the transporter beam.
Spock aids in the evacuation of Vulcan after Nero drops a “red matter” bomb into the planet’s core, which builds a “singularity” (a black hole) inside the planet.
Eric Bana as Nero: the rogue Romulan at the heart of the film. “What was interesting to me was that this wasn’t about the Klingons. It was fun to use the Romulans the way we did. The fact that they hadn’t seen them for so many years, that it so immediately breaks – for anyone who knows – the rules of Trek. We start the movie with Romulans crossing paths with Starfleet and jump right in breaking the rules, which I think is kind of fun. It felt like we had seen so many iterations of Klingons done that this was a way to do something in the familiar vernacular but not so familiar that it felt overdone.”
“The TV series always presumed this friendship between Kirk and Spock. What I love about what this movie does is that it shows they didn’t start out fast friends; they actually had a very rocky beginning and a lot of conflict. How they come to be the Kirk and Spock that we know is very dramatic and rife with tension.”
Kirk, Spock and the hitherto unheard-of Engineer Olsen freefall towards the drilling platform that is burrowing into Vulcan’s surface. Olsen, you won’t be surprised to hear, is the one in red. “Only people who know the show will laugh at this. It’s Sulu and Kirk… and redshirt guy who’s gonna die. Yes, Engineer Olsen dies.”
“This is a very funny scene where Kirk is in Uhura’s room, watching her undress, and she very quickly realises he’s there.”
“I should say that, in fairness and with enormous disappointment for the fanboys, Chris is in his underwear as well.”
Simon Pegg as Scotty. “Simon’s married to a Scot so he’s had a lot of practice with the accent. He is comic relief, but not in that way that Ricky Gervais is in the sitcom in Extras – like the worst version of comic release. You can have a laugh but it’s not one of those things that will make you cringe. He was able to bring all the comedy but not at the cost of what feels real.”
Hikara Sulu (John Cho) lays into Romulan soldiers with his extendable pocket katana. Cho’s Sulu, it has to be said, is an absolute badass.
The drilling beam, burrowing into the surface of Vulcan. A nice view but not one that Kirk has time to enjoy.
Nero in rags being manhandled by Klingon guards (yes, they’re Klingons under the masks). “Part of Nero’s back story is that he was being held in a Klingon prison, so that’s what you’re seeing here.”
Karl Urban as Bones: “Dear God, man!”
“This isn’t one of Spock’s seven year pon farr situations. It’s not that Vulcans don’t feel emotions but that it’s their choice to suppress them: to purge emotion and choose the Vulcan way. That’s really part of what Spock’s conflict is: being half human, an anomaly. That’s one of his struggles and he does become unhinged in this movie.”
“Zoe Saldana is undeniably a pleasure to behold.”
Nero’s shadowy vessel. We know from the preview footage that it manages to take down 47 Klingon Warbirds single-handedly.
You know you’re back in Original Series territory when Kirk is having his way with the ladies. “You have to, don’t you? Though there’s a lot of urgency to the movie and not a lot of downtime with the ladies, Kirk is presented in this movie, as you saw in the bar scene, as someone who is rather, um… myopic.”
The USS Kelvin, the ship upon which Kirk’s parents serve. It (and they) meet a sticky end at the beginning of the film at the hands of Nero.
The iconic logo and the sound of the transporter in the background. We refer, of course, to the transporter beam; Jason Statham is not in this picture. “I think that what this movie’s bringing is a remarkable new and energetic young cast and a treatment of the world of Star Trek that I think is as intimate as the story is massive in scope. This is a treatment of Star Trek with action and comedy and romance and adventure, as opposed to a rather talky geekfest.”
#640 – “I think film makers and TV producers are starting to lose sight of Roddenberry’s vision of the future. It’s not about cool looking space ships and huge explosions.”
Apparently you’ve never seen any other trailer for any other Star Trek movie?
“It’s about people and the situations they face”
Looks like we’re getting that.
BTW, I respect Gene for what he did, and with all due respect to Gene or anyone else here, but if I hear anymore declare what “Gene Roddenberry’s Vision” was I’m going to blow.
“They took Nemesis, added the screw-ups of ENT, threw in lots of Star Wars, tossed in some Galaxy Quest, and then made Abrams the director. And then someone beat it with a hammer until it was nice and powdered, added some water, and tried to use a Japanese method to make polished crap.”
It’s awfully funny. You declare that “Star Trek” isn’t about the visuals yet that’s solely what that basis for your critque is regarding this movie. Amazing. You don’t even care what the story is or if it “stays true to Roddenberry’s vision” or whatever? Brilliant.
OCD-1701 (#646) says: “That’s a pretty bold statement about film you haven’t seen yet, and even making it personal. Please see your earlier comment about “shaky self-esteem”. Sounds like you want Trek created in your own image.”
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Excuse me, OCD — who’s making it personal? Did I touch a nerve with the “just-stating-to-shave” jibe? Sorry about that.
But the fact is, we’ve all just seen two minutes of the film, two minutes that have been carefully selected to provide clues as to who the film is supposed to be about and what the film is supposed to be like. Part of it obviously deals with the coming-of -age of James T. Kirk. And for reasons I describe above, there is cause for skepticism. Chris Pine in a Fonzie outfit doesn’t look promising; Kirk became the youngest starship captain ever — he couldn’t have gotten there by being a punk.
And by the way, Kirk never abandoned his son (the dialogue in TWOK indicates Kirk didn’t even know he had one until he met him). And the Kobyashi Maru solution earned him a commendation, not expulsion. And Kirk commandeered a starship only to literally save the soul of his best friend and invaluable Starfleet asset (remember –no saving Spock with that ship would have meant no Spock to defeat Nero next May).
So if you think Kirk ever disobeyed a major order for anything that the alumni of Iowa Boy’s State would be seriously disappointed in him for, let’s here it OCD. Otherwise, maybe you should go back to watching your Hannah Montana, because your interpretive sense seems to be more on that level. It’s okay, though. When you grow older, things will be different.
(#672) James Tiberius “my cabin in the Nexus hasn’t depreciated” Kirk – November 17, 2008
“Son of Surak:
Please stop driving by my house in the middle of the night, and dressing like me. I’ve seen ‘Single White Female’ and quite frankly, you’re scaring me. I’m even more scared that you have a James T. Kirk shrine in your basement. I know that that you think that I can do no wrong and that I may have a scholarly background, but hell, even George W. Bush went to Yale! Sheesh, one of my equestrian buddies, Jean Luc Picard even stirred-up some trouble in his academy days…”
*****
Hey, that’s cute, 672. When I was fifteen, I’d have gotten a big kick out of that. There’s always room for fun stuff in the midst of adult discussion, isn’t there?
Trek on. Chop chop!
Son of Surak
#675 – And I respond with several “Who cares?” And Robert April is a non-entity that even an smaller number of people care about.
#674 – I will admit the Enterprise-E was the worst of the batch. But keeping mind it’s a mass producing toy company i wouldn’t count on too much in the way of “Art Asylum” type quality.
Ah, nothing like an errant roll of gaffer’s tape to ruin a perfectly good trailer… ;-)
#686 – Since it’s supposedly “spot on” then you won’t care to elaborate for us? Would you mind telling us in great detail what the story is and what is wrong with it? Or does your NDA prevent you from doing that?
@ 698
Heya, where did you find that? Is there any more? Sounds interesting.
698 is just an amalgam of stuff from JJ’s road trip, all of which has been reported on here and linked…don’t you guys read the articles or do you just skip to the comments?
How can this be the construction of the enterprise? Maybe just a retro refitting?
703.
I know, But one hopes!
Just noticed that the Starfleet Command emblem is next to the Federation logo in that shipyard shot with Kirk. Awesome.
[594] Thats nice, but in germany Bones is called Pille… they did this since TOS, I wonder of they keep it up… maybe the movie will even explain how McCoy got his nickname.
German dubbing is ususally so complete that jokes and puns get translated into totally different contexts, so the german moviegoers can “get it”…
Re: 706 – It is on the Empire news site that another poster linked to earlier in this board. I just copied and pasted it for you, as Empire had annoyingly linked it over multiple web pages that I had to click through. I just made it more convenient for you to read!
#698 — “This is a treatment of Star Trek with action and comedy and romance and adventure, as opposed to a rather talky geekfest”
If this really is Abrams’ quote… ooh, I’d must tell him to be careful. A lot of people are fans of Star Trek because of the talking, because it takes things beyond simplistic ship-goes-bang mentality. Personally, I always thought Star Trek survived for all these years because it was talking about things and not just zooming around. Star Trek without discussion and intelligent issues is not star trek at all…. And I sort of take offense to the show I love being called a “rather talky geekfest”. That sounds like JJ is being rude about exactly what star trek is.
Anthony Brooks Fellows (#646) wrote: “for my opinion on the trailer…Zach Quinto’s a good man. Bright future. The rest, forget it.”
I think Quinto might have been fine working on his own, but he had the good fortune of having to collaborate with Nimoy here. With Nimoy’s Spock in the picture – literally – Quinto was tethered to Nimoy’s interpretation of the character.
As for the others, Urban delivered McCoy’s line in the trailer in a way that makes me highly optimistic that he might have captured the essence of Bones. And the brief shot of Pegg left me with a visceral reaction that Scotty is alive and well. As for Uhura, Sulu, and Chekov, who knows? Kirk seems to be the weak link — whether it’s the script or the actor or both, or (I’m hoping) an unreprentative sample of Kirk onscreen, I’m not sure. But this Kirk is not a character I recognize.
The postulations about an alternative timeline are intriguing — if what we’ll see in this film turns out to be part of an alternative timeline, the timeline’s “restoration” might allow the creative team a chance to respond to any negative audience feedback when developing Trek XII. We’ll see.
@ 712
Thanks!
@ 713
I think, by “talky” Abrams is referring to the technobabble, which tends to occupy a lot of space in Trek script. It’s that whole business of “show, not tell.”
@ 707
I actually didn’t get to read that article, but maybe I will, later. Thanks!
This trailer rocks.
At the same time, and for the first time, I can appreciate what the haters detest about this movie.
It is fear, pure fear. The loss of our established mental images, with the unsavoury prospect of sudden replacement by different — and therefore threatening — new faces and environments.
And yet… it is completely Trek. Not ONLY by definition but by love and respect. You have to dig the gooseneck viewers on the bridge, the miniskirts — miniskirts! – the overall beefiness of the Enterprise (built to enter orbit — fascinating) yet with configuration to its overall line…
Great stuff.
@715 about 713
I understand and I hope you’re right that he just means reducing the technobabble. However, in Star Trek, the beauty of the science was that it meant real things, it wasn’t just people talking gibberish. It actually means something. Something scientifically plausible. Without the babble, I think we might end up with something like Fringe … where people are talking but none of the science they spout is thought about beyond those two lines of the script. Years and years have built up that technobabble … because it actually means something.
664
LOL!
For crying out loud! The new Star Trek: Official Movie Site is a buggy, slow, disruptively flashy mess. None of those Apple trailers run properly, not even the itsy-bitsy tiniest ones. Mercy.
I can’t imagine how poor Chekov must feel on that bridge!!
> Oh and the car looks like a ‘65 Stingray to me. I wonder what metaphor
> that is supposed to be?
Well, several things come to mind:
1. The Kirk driving a vintage ’60s Vette off the cliff is a metaphor for J.J. and company throwing out the old and starting fresh. Pretty obvious.
2. The Vette connects us to The Kirk and his era. We only saw cars in TOS when the TOS crew went back in time. And the whole point was to put distance between us and them by making us look comically primitive. It was as if they were visiting a backward alien culture. Instead, J.J. moves us viewers forward in time. He juxtaposes an automotive icon we can all instantly recognize against RoboCop on his hoverbike. The Kirk doesn’t just drive a few miles. He literally zooms forward from the 20th to the 23rd centuries in that scene. Same Earth, same dirt road. Different century, different technology.
3. Having said all that, the RoboCop scene just feels like it was written specifically to be the first scene of a trailer. It is, literally, way over the top. It starts out looking like “Gone in 60 Seconds 3″ but soon the hoverbike and RoboCop clue us in to the SciFi nature of the film. Then The Kirk speaks his name and we know it’s Trek. I’m just glad the trailer doesn’t start with “In a world…”
So yeah, it’s possible to read too much into it. Especially since (probably) none of us fans have seen the complete scene yet. But I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Orci and Kurtzman really did write that scene specifically for the first few seconds of the first teaser trailer. Along with Nero’s “The wait is over” closeup for the end of the first teaser trailer. It’s as though Nero’s real meaning is “The Trek Franchise isn’t dead just yet…”
p.s. I think those huge structures in the background of the chase scene might be giant grain elevators and/or silos. Farming should be nearly 100% automated 200 years from now, and done on an even more massive scale for efficiency. Just a wild guess.
@ 718
Bob please can you clear something up for me. I could not see Leonard Nimoy in the trailer at all is he in the trailer or not?
If yes where please!!!
If no is that because his scenes are of a spoiler nature so you cannot show us him yet. I & many other ST fans would love to see a picture of him in this movie.
Thank You.
Oh, and one more thing…
If your kid were as out of control as The Kirk? Send him to military school, er, Starfleet Academy. He needs discipline. The local cops and all your neighbors with daughters will thank you…
One thing about the Earth-bound construction that makes a great deal of sense is the fact that the interior gravity plating would not be installed for a considerably long time into the project.
Were the majority of the construction conducted in space, the literally billions of tiny components that have yet to be installed would be floating everywhere. Not all materials respond to magnetism, and small pieces of cut cabling, or flashing, would float around and eventually got clogged in the instruments as soon as the gravity plating in engaged.
Imagine building a warp engine outside a gravity well, and then subjecting it to 1G for the first time – The alignments would be ruined, and the materials would be forever subjected to damaging stresses.
Just my thoughts on that.
If I may continue, I’d like to postulate that the “Vulcan crisis” actually takes place some time before Kirk is even promoted to Lieutenant. Imagine this story is “Wrath of Khan” but it takes place on Pike’s ship, and Kirk and company are the cadets dealing with their first mission/crisis. Spock and Scotty are the only ones of officer rank, and we’ve seen Scotty got sent to a “Radar station in Nome, Alaska” for killing a superior’s pet with the transporter. So – Pike and Spock are the only “official” crew members and the rest are aboard due to the emergency.
But, this emergency takes place loooong before Kirk becomes a captain. While he may be on the fast-track in the officer training program at the Academy, he is still a trainee, and this could explain why Elder Spock encourages him to wrestle (literally) command from his younger self.
I would hate to think that they would skip all of Kirk’s history, all the rich and dour stories of his life as a young officer, just to see him promoted in the film.
Then again, you command the Federation Starship that saves the entire planet Vulcan, what do you think the Vulcan High council will lobby for?
You save one of the founding planets of the Federation, they aren’t going to give you a cookie.
What’s with the comparisons to Galaxy Quest? Surely just hyperbole, right? GQ was about the CAST of a TV show that gets involved in an actual Sci-Fi scenario because aliens have been watching the show. It was funny, yes. This is not a movie the cast of a TV show, it’s about Kirk and Spock.
And the ships? No resemblance. So, those of you comparing this to GQ, I have to say, you’re just making yourselves look ignorant.
#717 “However, in Star Trek, the beauty of the science was that it meant real things, it wasn’t just people talking gibberish”
There was a time when I loved technobabble. But I realize that TOS was never about it. It was a typical TNG flavour and, in my opinion, they gone too far. Warp coils are ok, but phased-quantum-subspace-tachyon-particles are… well… gibberish (in my opinion).
Take Generations: it’s weird hearing this kind of babble from Scotty. He never talked that way in TOS.
720 Jackson Roykirk – “But I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Orci and Kurtzman really did write that scene specifically for the first few seconds of the first teaser trailer.”
My thoughts exactly. I think there’s a good chance that scene won’t even be in the movie. It’s so self-contained, it does look like it was done specifically as a trailer.
And now on to those of you who compare this to the Star Wars prequels. Alright, so some battle scenes are reminiscent of the (amazing) opening sequence of Revenge of the Sith. But the ship design is totally different. And the great satisfaction for SW fans of the opening sequence of Revenge of the Sith was precisely that we’d never seen capital ships in close-quarters ship-to-ship melees (usually SW is about fighters against capital ships). So, if anything, the opening sequence of Revenge of the Sith was more of SW indulging in a little of the kicks normally reserved for ST episodes (when they can afford to show capital ships on capital ships in full glory and not just with interior shots of bridge stations blowing up).
Re: #338 At 1:40 are we in the Mirror Mirror universe where the insignias are on the wrong side?
I think it’s an inside joke showing they’ve watched a lot of TOS: in reruns, they’d accidentally flip a few frames and the insignias and hair parts would be mirrored…
The movie looks like it’s going to ROCK – the Enterprise is SCREAMING fast, my only quibble is the overly well-lit bridge – desk lamps at the helm and navigation stations?! The bridge lighting pendulum has swung to the opposite side of ST-TMP when they boldly went into space (and V’ger)…. in the dark!
What’s with the people in the baseball caps standing in front of the cadets? I thought no one wore baseball caps in the 23rd century. Oh, that must be to pull in the baseball cap cult, so again, they can appeal to ‘wider audiences’. Bleh
Is it wrong of me to admit I got slightly aroused watching this trailer? Maybe I am far too obsessed with Star Trek and really should go and get a girlfriend? Nah, bolloks to that, the trailer rocked… By the time next May comes I will be seriously damp in the pants at the thought of seeing this movie…
Long live The Trek! Hurrah!
@725… perfect example! I mean “phased quantum subspace tachyon particles” sounds like gibberish and probably means very little to the average Joe. But, I re-iterate : it actually means something in science.
That’s all I’m saying. And yes, TNG did a wonderful job of making all of its science real. Part of anything being real (as JJ et al. so want this film to be) is having it grounded in real science.
Batman, James Bond, Star Wars Ep 1 – 3….
That was all a little bit flat, not very profound. Too much action, too many visual effects, too many cliches. Not enough depth or morale.
This trailer feels very much the same…
I have a feeling the movie is going to be one hundred percent commercial. Folks are going to love it. I think, I won’t.
TOS was pretty much commercial itself. So I’m not sure why I ever fell in love with it and still love it so much. There was something very different about TOS and its cast.
I’m not sure I will find this special something in this new movie.
Yes, I do admit, my heart beats faster at all these Trekkie cliches. I admit, Kirk is hot. The design is fabulous, Spock comes off super-fantastic.
Yet, there is something missing…
Yes, I am going to watch this movie but with the sinking feeling that the magic of TOS will remain untouched. Very well, maybe it’s better that way.
721. Paul – November 18, 2008
Nimoy is not in this trailer. When he finally appears in one…
YOU WILL KNOW
726. 4 8 15 16 23 42 – November 18, 2008
In the movie, too…
@ 725
Regarding Scotty in ‘Generations’. Now that you mention it, I do remember Scotty explaining the benefits of a resonance burst from the main deflector dish… or something… with some hesitation.
There was this fellow who wrote a neat formula for creating Trek tech terms. I believe it was published in “The Nitpicker’s Guide to TNG Volume II”. I tried it out and was amused to discover it really worked. :D
#732
Sci-fi in the 60-70s was slow paced and reflective. I love that way of making movies, but in 2000 things are different. You can still tell a good story, but dynamism and energy blasts are essential to appeal a significant audience. You can break these rules but you have to accept living as a niche show. Or don’t live at all.
@ Pinky
I wonder how Trek tech talk would sound if Arthur C. Clarke had written it? :3
734 — Okay, thanks for the clarification. Now I will tuck my tail between my legs and subject myself to the agony booth… ;-)
Well im 50 next january and have been a trek fan since i was a sproglet – i think it looks amazing and I got that trek buzz again – ive not had since seeing the trailer for TWOK!
#725 “Regarding Scotty in ‘Generations’. Now that you mention it, I do remember Scotty explaining the benefits of a resonance burst from the main deflector dish… or something… with some hesitation.”
Eh eh, that’s what I mean. Some friends of mine looked at me asking: “oh, come on, what the hell is he saying?” I had to explain them that modern Trek was full of that… babble… and I feel a real geek :)
Plus, Generations was rubbish (imo) and Trek lost my friends as potential fans.
@736
That’s exactly why I hardly go to the movies any more.
I’m fairly young. But I’m not part of this fast-paced generation. I like to ponder, think, reflect on a movie. I guess I’m a young dinosaur. Part of a dying race.
Sorry JJ. I don’t love it. I really tried but I’m just not falling in love with it.
Just me again. Wanted to echo the question regarding “Spyglass Entertainment” instead of Level 1. Just curious is all.
Databrain, you’ll never be happy with this movie will you?
I just have to ask, why are you still posting here?
713
Personally, I always thought Star Trek survived for all these years because it was talking about things and not just zooming around. Star Trek without discussion and intelligent issues is not star trek at all…. And I sort of take offense to the show I love being called a “rather talky geekfest”. That sounds like JJ is being rude about exactly what star trek is.’
Exactly. And all these people here spouting about how much they hate genes original vision are not and never were fans of star trek, but fans of JJ abrams. They aren’t excited about ‘more trek’ being released, they are excited about another JJ abrams flick coming out. That is why they perpetually insult star treks original and only valid treatment in the original series and the next generation era.
My argument against this mentality is not that it is ‘against something new’. it is that it is against something that extracts the very essence of star trek from itself. It’s talkative, philosophical nature, which is what distinguished it from starwars and any other action-sci fi drivel on the market. It’s like saying let’s talk about quantum mechanics by delving into how to make pumpkin pie. It’s a ridiculous, pathetic non-trek solution to bringing trek to the consciousness of ‘the masses’.
You’re not bringing trek to them! You’re bringing some action-sci fi drivel that has no relationship, philosophically or otherwise to treks original purpose on this planet. And the purpose it served in peoples minds and hearts. Such films will be forgotten as generic sci fi action. And as evidence look at the remake of planet of the apes. Virtually no one cares about it anymore. No one cared about it but for the few seconds it was on everyones mind when it was first released. Star Trek is better than that, always has been.
739. allister gourlay – November 18, 2008
no greater compliment
741. ScottyGirl – November 18, 2008
don’t worry… you will like find pace gives you ample time to ponder…
#740 Well, technobabble is part of science fiction. So, you don’t like science fiction, go watch fantasy…. with its magical light-swords and telekinetic mind games— but don’t call it telekinetic. No, it’s “force pull”. You say telekinetic you might lose someone. :P
@ 736, 741
That’s a good observation, but I think it applies to movies from the 40’s to, what, the 80’s? The cinematography tended to linger, and that technique did force you to look at the actors and try to make sense of what they were saying. It’s like, you were actually there, face to face with the character. It’s as if filmmakers relied largely on the principal angle, and on very rare occasions intercut to other angles. But these days every line of dialogue requires an angle of its own! That’s not to say it’s bad– it’s just different.
736 / 741 — I like both. I love Forbidden Planet, TMP, & 2001 as well as Fritz Lang’s Metropolis and Tarkovsy’s Solaris & Stalker (can’t get much slower and more cerebral than those), but I also appreciate the fast cuts and pacing of modern American fare. I don’t think there has to be a huge chasm between the two styles either. I am not allowing this trailer to cast doubt on the possibility that certain key scenes in the new movie will be measured and deliberate, while the action scenes will be scintillatingly chaotic and breathtakingly furious.
‘Sci-fi in the 60-70s was slow paced and reflective. I love that way of making movies, but in 2000 things are different. You can still tell a good story, but dynamism and energy blasts are essential to appeal a significant audience. You can break these rules but you have to accept living as a niche show. Or don’t live at all.’
Star Trek always lived as a niche program, and survived rather well by expanding its niche audience during the next generation years. Turning Star Trek into everything else is a formula for sealing its doom. Because I don’t see forums on the internet discussing, in great detail, the dynamics and philosophy of ‘die hard’ or ‘buck rogers’ even.
That might be what the writers were attempting to accomplish from the get go of this project. To finally kill trek once and for all. Who knows. All I knows is what made trek memorable will be gone, and what made everything else forgetful, will make this film just as forgotten.
Yes, action films generate revenue, whoopy. Yes they make more in their opening weekend than thought provoking films. WOW! But notice how, in the months and years following their release these films become more and more like shadows in the minds of the many, until they are at last almost completely forgotten. No matter the namesake, as mentioned with the planet of the apes remake that no one cared about past its first week of release.
Questions for Bob Orci:
Bob, I raised some questions for you in a post in another discussion thread on this site yesterday but I think I just missed you… To cut to the essence of my questions in that previous post:
1. Will the film have some of the philosophical core or will it be more of an action film?
2. I would find a film with a military emphasis extremely distasteful. How is Starfleet defined in this film? I hope there is not a military emphasis. Is space exploration emphasised or is it all about hunting down Nero and his cronies?
3. I have heard a lot of talk about the characterisation of Kirk in this film but what about Nero? Does he have a strong backstory?
Many thanks.
#747 “So, you don’t like science fiction, go watch fantasy”
On the contrary. I like sci-fi, and the “hard” kind :)
I am criticizing technobabble when it alienate fans.
I am finding it very hard to even take what you’re saying seriously, Databrain. You find it impossible to listen to what others are saying, and you constantly spew the same thing about Abrahms wanting to kill Star Trek. If that’s true, then WHY DO THE REST OF US LIKE IT?
Oh wait, I forgot, we’re not true fans and we hate roddenberry’s vision.
right.
Re: 749. You have very similar tastes to me. I ADORE Solaris and Stalker, in particular, as well as 2001, Day the Earth Stood Still, and TMP.
I am not a fan of rapid-edit films, though. I love majestic, slow takes that allow you to ponder… I hope this film has at least some scenes like that and is not just rapid-fire action shots….
Looks like history is repeating itself.
Here’s what Kirk really looks like in a sports car ; )
http://tinyurl.com/6568yh
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I’m just blown away by this trailer and I’m looking forward to it !!!! Why can’t May 2009 be today’s month ????’
On the official website if you select Story and click on the icon incoming data you can dowload a wallpaper of Uhura. Not sure if this is what you meant by easter egg
‘On the contrary. I like sci-fi, and the “hard” kind :)
I am criticizing technobabble when it alienate fans.’
It didn’t alienate fans, it brought them in. The next generation, which is arguably the most tech-babble oriented of all the series, generated more viewership than any trek, prior to or since. Explaining that as alienating the fans is like saying if you like starwars, give the light saber duels a rest. What the next generation succeeded in doing was expanding the niche market. That is the best trek could ever do. It cannot ever appeal to masses beyond its niche, unless either it becomes something it’s not, or something happens in the world to expand everyones consciousness to what trek is about.
757: Man you’re telling me.
Abrahms is it done yet? Let’s just do christmas like we originally planned. We won’t mind if you speed it up a little bit…unless you still have some nice things to show us before the movie is released.
#750 “Star Trek always lived as a niche program, and survived rather well by expanding its niche audience during the next generation years. [...] I don’t see forums on the internet discussing, in great detail, the dynamics and philosophy of ‘die hard’ or ‘buck rogers’ even.”
Databrain, I understand your point of view. I am sort of a dinosaur when it comes to sci-fi, so I love 2001, THX, Planet of the Apes, Forbidden Planet (proto-StarTrek) and so on. But, you know, call me naive but I think that a good, captivating story will always be good and captivating, with or without sfx, with or without dynamism.
Batman and The Dark Knight are modern movies filled with thrill and action, but I think that they will be remembered.
“unless either it becomes something it’s not,”
oh, enlightened one, please tell us all…what IS Star Trek about?
I am finding it very hard to even take what you’re saying seriously, Databrain. You find it impossible to listen to what others are saying, and you constantly spew the same thing about Abrahms wanting to kill Star Trek. If that’s true, then WHY DO THE REST OF US LIKE IT?’
The rest of who? obviously I am not the only one here arguing against the blatant dumbing down of something I love. There are obviously several others. Perhaps you pinpointing me is just a sign that I am stating the most vivid, thus annoying argument.
751. Kerr Avon – November 18, 2008
!. Yes. I would say the contains at least 3 philosophical cores which I can’t wait to discuss mid may. We knew Trek HAD TO TRY for thoughtful territory. However, it is also action packed.
2. There is no more military emphasis in our Trek than in any other, and probably less than in some (including WOK).
3. I would argue — ABSOLUTELY.
Vague answers indeed, but at least I’m going on record as acknowledging that we value those things you seek in Trek,
You will be the final judge.
oh, enlightened one, please tell us all…what IS Star Trek about?’
Just admit that you were never a fan of genes vision, THUS never a fan of trek. Just admit you are here to support JJ not trek. And most especially not true trek.
“Perhaps you pinpointing me is just a sign that I am stating the most vivid, thus annoying argument.”
Please, keep telling yourself that…
@ 759
Hi. Correct me if I’m wrong, but are you saying the tech-talk made TNG a success?
[720] Good Thinking about the Stingray, Jackson. I thought Nero said the line “the wait is over” to his followers, because he is still in his prison fatigues when he utters it…
Wow! This movie is going to be something special. The opening sequence works on two levels. If you’re a regular movie goer, it looks like some typical action flick, and then you are shocked that it is Star Trek. If you know it’s the Star Trek trailer, you are intrigued because it looks like a typical action flick.
Also, nice use of the “War Begins” track from Brian Tyler’s Children of Dune soundtrack.
Bob, is there a meeting of the two Spocks before or after Spock Prime asks Jim Kirk to keep quiet about their encounter?
Thanks for the great work!
“Just admit that you were never a fan of genes vision, THUS never a fan of trek. Just admit you are here to support JJ not trek. And most especially not true trek.”
You have no idea how wrong you are. The fact that I can accept that this is a Star Trek movie and like it because it deals with the ideals that Gene Roddenberry created when he first made Star Trek makes me more of a Star Trek fan and a fan of his vision than you ever can be.
On that note though, I’m not going to deal with you anymore, it seems as though your only purpose here is to bring us down, KHAN, but you see, even in the cold of space, the darkness always is defeated by the light. You, my friend, are the darkness, and I will not let you ruin the joy inside of me as I anticipate what might be the best Star Trek movie that has ever been made. And the fact that I can give it a chance — that’s plenty enough for me to be able to prevail over you.
Sorry everyone else is that sounded kinda weird, I was just getting all carried away and philisophical and stuff…
Is there another trailer planned for the near future?
770…to be honest I don’t think he’s allowed to give out any of the plot details in themselves without being incredibly vague, so questions like that are just a waste of time here. It is a good question though, but I think you might have to wait until May to find out.
Databrain, I understand your point of view. I am sort of a dinosaur when it comes to sci-fi, so I love 2001, THX, Planet of the Apes, Forbidden Planet (proto-StarTrek) and so on.’
I don’t know, if by ‘dinosaur’ you’re saying you’re old enough to be my dad, than that might be true. What I find insulting though is the notion that all people of my generation are too dumb to get what trek was originally about. The philosophy and the moral stories and the techno-babble. Thus they have to dumb it down for us. That I will see chris pike having sex and immediately this will activate my testosterone and make me want to see the film, and to thus spread the word to my friends.
What’s further insulting is the thought that, if this film is just action-sci fi drivel, it will start a new craze, a new trek phenomenon that will be anything like the geek factor of the mid-90s. If this film is action-sci fi drivel what will happen is it will generate enough to break even and perhaps a little more, then in the weeks and months following this, it will be thusly forgotten as any other non thought provoking film has been. Stop insulting the younger generation!
People who would be drawn to trek would be drawn to it regardless of their age. It’s just how life is. Some people like red wine, some people have no taste for it. Just let those who would like it like it, and those who would not, not. Stop trying to make everyone like it, because in doing so you will make no one like it.
When will we see Nimoy?
or at least remember it..
770. thorsten – November 18, 2008
Probably shouldn’t answer that, but since it’s late…
After…
775: He’s in an upcoming trailer according to Bob.
775. Andy S – November 18, 2008
The next trailer will probably give you a glimpse of Nimoy.
Thanks, Bob, fits great in my theory. Hope JJ saved you some of that marzipan ;))
Oh bob I love that answer!
764. boborci – November 18, 2008
751. Kerr Avon – November 18, 2008
!. Yes. I would say the contains at least 3 philosophical cores which I can’t wait to discuss mid may. We knew Trek HAD TO TRY for thoughtful territory. However, it is also action packed.
I LIKE that comment, I’m excited!
Don’t you people at paramount ever sleep?
783. voyager – November 18, 2008
“Don’t you people at paramount ever sleep?”
I just work at Paramount. I’m from DreamWorks.
If I understand correctly by what you all guess about the plot, Spock travels back in time to where Vulcan is attacked by Nero and Kirk gets command of the Enterprise.
First, if this is in an alternate timeline, how does Spock know when and where Nero will attack? Maybe this will be explained in the movie ;)
But why doesn’t Spock travel back in time to before the attack on the Kelvin? By preventing the attack on the Kelvin the timeline would not be altered at all. Or Spock could travel back in time to before the escape of Nero to prevent him from travelling back in time in the first place. This all seems to indicate that JJ and his writers wanted to change the timeline on purpose.
The new alternate timeline would mean that the TOS episodes will never happen (the same with TNG, DS9 and Voyager). I believe that Star Trek IX will even happen before The Menagerie, as it will be the maiden voyage of the Enterprise. So Pike won’t be captain of the ship for several years. This changes everything. This might even change that Kirk never meets Khan, the he will never have a son. Spock may never die to save the Enterprise, Picard may never assume command of the Enterprise-D… Aside from creating a paradoxon for Spock (how can he travel back in time when his timeline never existed?) this will destroy the whole history of Star Trek.
Why? To get a fresh start for those characters? So that we don’t know what will happen to them?
For me this is disrespectful not only to the Star Trek fans and the history of Star Trek but to Gene Roddenberry and his vision.
Killing of Kirk by falling off a bridge was disrespectful not only to the character of Kirk but to William Shatner as well, but THIS will be even worse. It will destroy everything! There won’t be a “William Shatner Kirk” or a “Leonard Nimoy Spock” anymore. The characters won’t be the same.
If this all plays out the way I see it, this movie will destroy 40 years of Star Trek and laugh at it.
You didn’t answer the question…
The Star Trek references are starting to make my head hurt.
Coffee, black.
764 – Bob Orci.
Thanks for your replies. I am VERY heartened by them. I realise that realistically a Hollywood production has to be commercialised, given the huge amount of money invested in it, but, if as you state, you keep a number of philosophical cores by not “dumbing the film down” to the “lowest common denominator” as is so often the case, then that is GREAT!
I am even more glad that it will be less military than some previous endeavours. We see enough of that on the news every night and I personally have a very strong aversion to anything that glorifies the military.
Thanks for your responses. Good luck with the film’s success! :-)
[784]
Is there still that Peeping Tom poster in your office?
744. Databrain
Your right, I am a big JJ. fan, but i’m also a massive Trek fan, right from the Original TOS, on BBC2 in the UK, in the 70’s re-runs down till today.
And after I began to lose faith in Trek during ENTERPRISE and with the NEMESIS movie I found LOST, a series with that same sense of dialog, wonder and ore, that TOS and TNG used to have.
And yes JJ’s sence of vision has brought with it more action because times have changed and that’s what the younger audience want, hell I want that now. Not the same old story-telling of the past, but Trek with an edge that could live on for another 20 or 30 years.
This Movie, judging from the outstanding trailer could be just the vehicle.
Tears welled up in my eyes when I watched that trailer last night.
A movie that could do Trek justice, like I’ve never felt before with any of the movies. That’s what I’m waiting for, and I think this might just be it.
So sit back and enjoy the ride!
[788] Told you ;))
“But why doesn’t Spock travel back in time to before the attack on the Kelvin? By preventing the attack on the Kelvin the timeline would not be altered at all. Or Spock could travel back in time to before the escape of Nero to prevent him from travelling back in time in the first place.”
Here’s some advice about trying to make sense about time travel” Don’t.
-Janeway
789. thorsten – November 18, 2008
Indeed!
[793] Good old Karlheinz Böhm,
almost killed his career that movie…
he moved into charity after that…
The trailer looks like great fun and I have no problem with the reinvention…. in fact, the only gripe is that the bridge set looks just awful. What the hell are all those screens everywhere, and the little red lights… and why is the layout so radically different from the orginal bridge? Everything just smack sof redesign for its own sake – oo, look how clever we are. Not detecting a great deal of the rodenberry exploratory spirit from the trailer… ho hum.
Apart from that minor quibble I think the movie looks like a lot of fun and ILM seem to have outdone themselves. I’ll certainly be in line.
@774
Saying all young folks are too dumb would be quite a dumb thing to say. I, for one, didn’t say that. But the majority of younger people has been trained not to take their time and reflect on things, which makes them more vulnerable to deceptive marketing strategies.
I am fairly young myself but was raised by parents who did not rely on TV as educational method. I read and read and read… So I belong to a slow-thinking and more conscientious minority in this world. My TV time as a child was little and precious and Star Trek TOS took up most of my TV time. I’m still glad about that.
I had a wonderful childhood and find that I do have a happy marriage partly because of what I learned from Star Trek TOS and didn’t learn from other more crappy shows.
Our TV has been broken for ages now. And we don’t bother to have it repaired. BBC isn’t worth it. Nor is Pay TV. We are mostly watching 50s and 60s shows on DVD. So much about modern television.
I, as a fairly young person, can connect more to Bewitched, Twilight Zone, Outer Limits or Tales of Tomorrow than I can to any of todays shows. And I wasn’t even born in the 60s. Yet I appreciate the morale and the value. Even Bewitched held a lot of good humanitarian values. And it was still commercial enough to sell.
@ Bob Orci
Hi! If you were given the chance to rewrite any of the previous Trek films, which one would you want to work on, and how would you change it?
Just curious. Thanks! Can’t wait for May 2009! :D
And yes JJ’s sence of vision has brought with it more action because times have changed and that’s what the younger audience want, hell I want that now. Not the same old story-telling of the past, but Trek with an edge that could live on for another 20 or 30 years.’
I am part of that younger audience. Why do you continually insult my intelligence? And there are several other’s out there just like me who think the same way.
No matter what time era you are from, or are living in today, some will get it and some will not. That is how it always has been and always will be, until something serves to expand the minds of the masses altogether, like the visitation of aliens to our planet, or something like that.
There is no reason to dumb something down. Let nature takes its course and let those who got it, get it, and those he didn’t, watch action movies till their hearts content.
Wouldnt it be interesting if Star Trek existed in same universe as Lost and Alias? (We know Lost and Alias are connected)
You still don’t get it.
You won’t ever get it.
Have you noticed that you’re NOT part of the majority anymore?
774 said
‘And yes JJ’s sence of vision has brought with it more action because times have changed and that’s what the younger audience want, hell I want that now. Not the same old story-telling of the past, but Trek with an edge that could live on for another 20 or 30 years.’
I am part of that younger audience. Why do you continually insult my intelligence? And there are several other’s out there just like me who think the same way.
No matter what time era you are from, or are living in today, some will get it and some will not. That is how it always has been and always will be, until something serves to expand the minds of the masses altogether, like the visitation of aliens to our planet, or something like that.
There is no reason to dumb something down. Let nature takes its course and let those who got it, get it, and those he didn’t, watch action movies till their hearts content.
‘Have you noticed that you’re NOT part of the majority anymore?’
trek fans were never part of the majority.
Oh dear oh dear…
Why.. do the folks who have made their mind up that they hate this film, keep on coming back to a site called “trekmovie” (the hint is in that title folks).
If you are so set that the movie will suck, stop, stopping-by to check on it’s progress… Or is it some want to be proven right that drives these people on..
Just to add my two peneth.. I think it looks great.
But then again, I can’t be a “true fan”, as I liked Enterprise, oh and Nemesis, oh and TMP, NG, Voyager, DS9, and every single film.. nah I can’t true fan, cos my head isn’t so stuck up my rear nacell as to pick every iteration appart!
So let’s have a break down…
What is wrong with having a Robo police officer.. in the realms of Sci-fi, is it not possible we may have such things in a few hundred years time?
Hover bike… well me not being a “true” fan, I have read plenty of Trek books where hover vehicles are refered to… and in a lot of on screen Trek, there has been hover trolleys etc.. but sorry, me mentioning that kind of rains on the “see, see! he has made it like Star Wars” bregade.
Saucy romp scene… erm, so Kirk was never a womaniser in Trek before?
The “new” Enterprise – oh silly me again, course the look of the Enterprise never ever changed slightly over the films and original series…
“It looks awful going on the trailer”… THEN STOP COMING BACK CHECKING UP ON IT!
I really do not get a lot of these folks “oh it looses the spirit of the original 60’s show”…. maybe, just maybe, it’s the doubters, the moaners, the anal “Pick it appart” types that have changed… as I see it, the 60’s show, was about “fun”, as much as anything else.. maybe that’s what a lot of the moaners are missing!! a sense of FUN!
“Scotties accent is wrong”… mmmmm and this comes from mainly (I’m guessing), Americans, whom.. without being rude, have never probably met a “real” scotsman (and yes, I live in the UK, and yes I have scots in my circle of friends and family)… and … sorry chaps, I can tell you that having spoken to “real” scots, they reckon he has done well!
I can’t help but think, the people involved in this film, must read a lot fo what goes on here and think “jeeeez, why did we bother”. Well gents.. from this one “not a true fan type”… I say THANKS.. THE FILM LOOKS GREAT!
746. boborci
Bob! Thank you so much for responding.
I indeed hope I will find that in your movie. As I’ve said before I will definitely go to see it because I want to give it a chance.
…besides to be fair. I suppose a trailer needs to be so fast paced and packed with action. I am interested enough to go and watch this movie. Absolutely. And I do hope, I can fall in love with it then.
:) And again thanks for taking the time to read and respond. I appreciate.
Just thought of one more interesting question for Bob Orci…
At the end of the film, once poor old Mr Nero is taken care of, is there some kind of announcement to Kirk that he is to captain the Enterprise out on a 5-year exploration mission?
where is spock (Leonard Nimoy) in this trailer? Is he even in the movie? William Shatner will love it.
Question: Is the “Orion slave girl” Kirk is banging an actual *slave girl*, or is this assumption because all Orion females shown in the franchise have been slave girls? Because I find it weird that she’d be rooming with a Starfleet officer like Uhura. Can she be a Starfleet officer as well?
And this talk about what’s “true Trek” and what’s not… Oh man, one can brangle about tainting and dumbing down the philosophy of Trek all day (and here I was tempted to argue on behalf of us ~plebeians~ that it’s not like Trek was ever, you know, Camus) but let me tell you, it sure looks likes some people are annoyed that the cool kids will have a standing invitation to the nerd party come summer ‘09.
798 – Databrain, I am not unsympathetic to your point of view, I want to see STXI engage some philosophical territory. Bob Orci indicates upthread that we can expect to see that sort of thing. As I’ve indicated before, I do not think you can base a thesis that STXI is “dumbed down” on the trailer, since trailers should never be taken at face value.
So, I ask, why is it a foregone conclusion that STXI is pure action and no reflection?
@807
Who says the girl is Orion? Is she green?
Oh… I didn’t even notice. Oh no I must be colorblind. Seriously was that girl green?
Terrific!
‘I really do not get a lot of these folks “oh it looses the spirit of the original 60’s show”…. maybe, just maybe, it’s the doubters, the moaners, the anal “Pick it appart” types that have changed…’
I am in my mid-20s. I haven’t ‘changed’ because I was always opened to messages that were not of the normal persuasion. As far as I see it, the original series and the next generation contained messages that were outside of the norm. To some, albeit, lesser degree, deep space nine and voyager did too. Enterprise had nothing reminiscent in it of the original trek philosophical nucleus. This film, thus far, seems to be carrying forth this latest dumbed down trend. Just, what is the point is all I ask? Why not just make an action-sci fi film like pitch black or something that has nothing to do with trek? Why use treks name to promote the agenda of appealing to the dumb founded masses?
‘So, I ask, why is it a foregone conclusion that STXI is pure action and no reflection?’
it isn’t my foregone conclusion as I continue to reiterate the IF factor in my statements. I am merely carrying forth a conversation based on what I thus far know, just as anyone else here is doing from their albeit differing perspectives.
#809:
She looked… greenish in the HD? Though she’s in shadow so it’s hard to tell!
If the “Orion slave girl” is a Starfleet officer that would be EXCELLENT. That’s a shout-out to all the objectified females throughout Trek history.
[810] “Why use treks name to promote the agenda of appealing to the dumb founded masses?”
But this is not happening at all…
Orci, Abrams, Lindelof and all the others went through a lot of hard work and thinking to deliver a fantastic movie that brings back the spirit of original Trek… and when it will be a huge hit at the box office, all the better.
‘And this talk about what’s “true Trek” and what’s not… Oh man, one can brangle about tainting and dumbing down the philosophy of Trek all day (and here I was tempted to argue on behalf of us ~plebeians~ that it’s not like Trek was ever, you know, Camus) but let me tell you, it sure looks likes some people are annoyed that the cool kids will have a standing invitation to the nerd party come summer ‘09.’
There is no psychological nuance in my statements pertaining to my apparent ‘nerd’ status of being. I was actually rather popular in highschool, and am now quite popular and liked in college. That has naught to do with anything I am saying. Refrain from using psychological semantics to establish an ad hominem defense against the statements I am making, and perhaps state something directly in respond to them instead of attacking a personality you know nothing about.
#809 – Someone over at another Trek message board did a color enhancement of that clip. She’s green for sure.
Ah, I see, I think the conditional aspect (”IF factor”) of your statements sometimes gets lost in the huge stack of comments here….
Actually, it is a relief to me that Bob Orci makes his statement above that he “would say the contains at least 3 philosophical cores [....] We knew Trek HAD TO TRY for thoughtful territory. However, it is also action packed.”
I agree that some kind of thought-provoking element is central to good Star Trek.
However, I must note that even certain Enterprise episodes strove for higher concepts.
803. Well, I’m a Scotsman, and a Scotsman who believes in ‘Pure Wads’ and I can confirm that Simon Pegg is NOT doing a Scottish accent!!!
@815
Wow!
I like that.
As Pegg said in his lovely brogue:
I like this ship. Tis exciting.
I still have a few doubts at the same time I’m beginning to warm up to certain aspects of the movie. For one thing, it appears to be sexy.
TOS was very sexy. I always missed that in the lay-offs.
:)
@816. 4 8 15 16 23 42
Yes, Bob Orci’s statement reassures me too.
^ last one to Databrain 814
812 Nina-in-CA — “If the ‘Orion slave girl’ is a Starfleet officer that would be EXCELLENT. That’s a shout-out to all the objectified females throughout Trek history.”
Agreed, though of course by being in Starfleet she would by necessity be EX-slave.
My only advice to her is, stay away from James T. Kirk, he’s a classic BMOC when it comes to women, and we know that he spilled his seed in Carol Marcus and didn’t even know/care to follow up as to whether he’d knocked her up (no excuses about broken condoms please, it’s the 23rd century we’re talking about).
At Holger #12: You were saying the words i have in mind for about several days, and weeks respectively, after seeing the new design and the pictures of the “new crew”. There definitely is nothing to add to your opinion. However Abrams claims that this film is not for us “old” fans but for a new audience. Sad.
Is there a West Hollywood screening coming up?
#814:
LOL, fair enough, but maybe you can also dial back your absolute douchebaggery and try not couch your statements in that holier-and-smarter-than-thou tone. “Ad hominem” indeed! What a load of horse sh*t.
818
‘I still have a few doubts at the same time I’m beginning to warm up to certain aspects of the movie. For one thing, it appears to be sexy.’
Forgive me, but you seemed to ‘warm up’ rather quickly. I would guess you are a seeder, someone who is here to try to influence thought and to make dumb young males consider seeing this film. After all it’s ’sexy’. Not to be paranoid, but I actually wouldn’t doubt if you were a male. Okay, apologies in advance for this accusation, but I just smell a ruse.
@817. Drunk And Disorderly
That nickname fits like a glove I believe.
Besides you’ve posted that before.
Just for the record. I am Scottish too. I’m from Edinburgh and I know some people who say I sound like somebody from Norther Ireland, New Zealand or South Africa.
What the heck! There are so many Scottish brogues. I’m from Edinburgh, Ratho is a small community south of Edinburgh. I don’t understand what people in Ratho are saying!
You get my point?
Don’t look for THE Scottish accent. It doesn’t exist. But Pegg sounds lovely and very different from Doohan who also sounded lovely, quite charming in fact.
Nina
‘LOL, fair enough, but maybe you can also dial back your absolute douchebaggery and try not couch your statements in that holier-and-smarter-than-thou tone. “Ad hominem” indeed! What a load of horse sh*t.’
tell you what, go watch lost, then a series of die hard films, then pitch black. You will be happy, I promise. As it does not take much to bring happiness and contentment to certain mind sets. Maybe even a lollipop?
I know this is going to make many people happy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAjmbASkkLY
ST 90210
@824 Databrain
Lad, I suggest you put your coffee aside and take a long nap. Now you don’t make sense any more. Catch some sleep fellow. You need it.
Databrain, I did exactly as you said, and you were TOTALLY RIGHT. My itty bitty little brain is satisfied. Why didn’t I do this before??
‘Lad, I suggest you put your coffee aside and take a long nap. Now you don’t make sense any more. Catch some sleep fellow. You need it.’
Actually I think I will go do some mind-body exercises instead, sir. Thank you for the advise though, sir. have a nice day now, sir.
I feel as if being in the presence of so much hatred has resulted in an alien invasion into my cerebral cortex…I will not exercise this infection out of me.
@830
You too sunshine
hi! fanastic trailer!
here is the french version of the trailer :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkewXLG2Dgs
Zachary Quinto’s french voice is the same he has on Heroes, and Eric Bana’s french voice is the same he had on The Hulk.
Enjoy!
#785
I know exactly how you feel, and when I made this very same point in one of the other threads Bob Orci responded with the usual, brief “we hope you come to with an open mind”.
To me, any writer, or for that matter director, who needs to tell fans to come to the product with an open mind knows full well that there’s something about it that the loyalists won’t like.
What disturbs me about this whole affair is that fact that Paramount don’t seem to realise that this is the one thing that you can’t mess about with in terms of flushing away 40 odd years of established canon. In making this movie for the big, non-fan, audience they will think they have a major success on their hands, assuming that it makes money, and will rush out a sequel. All well and good. But, in the process, if they alienate the established fan base then they will alienate all those people that, for 40 years, have plowed billions of dollars, pounds, euros and so on, into their bank accounts in the form of merchandising and convention revenue. You can’t generate that in the long term with a few “hot for the minute” movies. Do you think The Dark Knight or Casino Royale will be generating that kind of fan income a few short years from now? No way in hell.
Alienating the Roddenberry era (and I suppopse the Berman era) fans is the worst move the studio could have made.
Still, I suppose we should be in some way grateful that Orci & Kurtzman bothered at all to have any remote link to established continuity. I was expecting a total reboot – still, not quite good enough to me and not enough to excuse the insult that this movie will be to fans of you and I, and the people who worked for years to bring us all the Trek that came
before.
now*
Re 819 and 816.
Yes, “Scottygirl” and “4 8 15 16 23 42″, I think the three of us have been VERY reassured by that statement! We all seem to have similar sentiments about what we prefer in our Sci. Fi.
I hope it is true and that this Trek has some depth and substance. I am also certainly in favour of long shots and moments of slower pacing to balance out the faster action scenes that we will invariable have.
Databrain, as I said before, I sympathize with your desire to see STXI retain a though-provoking bent to it, but I must also add that a statement like “Why use treks name to promote the agenda of appealing to the dumb founded masses?” smacks of elitism. I won’t even try to lecture you on the merits and perils of the “ivory tower” (I myself have been accused of snobbery), but I do hasten to note that Star Trek has always tried to cultivate BOTH intellectual AND mass appeal. Spock’s logic has always shared the screen with dancing Orion girls, etc. In the words of Nina-in-CA #807, “it’s not like Trek was ever, you know, Camus”.
@836
Yes. That’s exactly what I hope will be the case. Well said Kerr.
Adore the trailer. It reaffirms Trek as an adventure series.
Couple of observations: the complaints about the boy calling himself ‘James Tiberius Kirk’ are a little strange. IIRC, Diane Carey’s Final Frontier and Best Destiny were looked at by the Supreme Court. In that, George Kirk refers to teaching his son to say James T Kirk, because of his awkwardness about the middle name Tiberius. There’s some pride in this child’s pronouncement of his name and a real attitude! This kid is clearly already exceptional!
I just sent the link to my Mum and Dad, aged 61 (baby boomer) and 72. They watched Star Trek on its original transmission and got me into it! They loved the trailer.
836 / 838 – :-)
I wish people would stop talking for the entire fanbase of Star Trek as they express their displeasure for this film. This isn’t a case of ‘them or us’- new fans versus old fans. Paramount might alienate a few hardcore sticklers who have nothing better to do than hang around websites comoplaining about a movie which is 6 months away, sure- but a lot of Star Trek fans can’t wait for this film, are open to some change and will welcome it with open arms- it’s looking far better than it the direction it could have gone.
I fear that Databrain may be the android known as B4.
Cute and all, but doesn’t make a damn sense.
#839: Hear ya on the reaffirmation of adventure. As much as I loved some of the modern series, they lost that frontier edge and made space practically genteel, TNG especially.
#834
Maybe a total reboot would have been better. This way the 40 years of Trek in form of TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager and the movies would still stand on their own and would not be erased by this movie.
If they wanted a fresh take, then why didn’t they create a new crew and set the movie in the future – maybe without any references to all other Star Trek material that came before?
This is like taking the picture of Mona Lisa and not only painting a new, more modern version of it, but painting the new version over the old, eradicating it.
#844: ‘If they wanted a fresh take, then why didn’t they create a new crew and set the movie in the future – maybe without any references to all other Star Trek material that came before?’
Speaking as a general sci-fi fan and a tangential Trek fan, I wouldn’t have been interested in a movie with a new cast. I think any new group of Trek characters would have an uphill battle for the hearts and minds of even the sci-fi-watching audience, because the last few batches of ‘new’ characters from the recent TV series weren’t very compelling.
But I’m not trying to argue with your point about the half-reboot/total reboot situation, which is a fine point. Just sayin’. :)
Hi Bob,
I just wanted to say that the trailer looks great! Am really looking forward to this movie, so thanks very much to you and everyone else for doing what seems so far to be a great job :)
844 Admiral_Bumblebee — “This is like taking the picture of Mona Lisa and not only painting a new, more modern version of it, but painting the new version over the old, eradicating it.”
If that analogy really held true, then we wouldn’t still have TOS on DVD, and all restored to boot, readily available. I don’t think STXI is a flat-out reboot anyway (compared to, say, Bond, Batman, or BSG), but even if the extent of the changes distress you a bit as they stand, take heart in that TOS isn’t going anywhere. I still love TOS, but I am excited by this new vision — it promises to augment, not attempt to supplant, TOS.
^ distresses
I just want to say WWWWWWTTTTTTFFFFF!!!!!!!! for me it’s just another star wars
@ 844
“If they wanted a fresh take, then why didn’t they create a new crew and set the movie in the future…”
Roger Ebert said something along these lines in his review of ‘Nemesis’: http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20021213/REVIEWS/212130305/1023
i watch TOS sometimes as im going to bed. Last night after going through the trailer frame by frame, i could see the links to this prequle film.
Yes things might be different, but it feels right. i can see the beginnings of the people we know and love.
im so excited. the future of trek seems bright. i hope from this film we have a series. Movies are great but a series would really see trek going on for years and years
“Cute and all, but doesn’t make a damn sense.”
I love irony!
@851
Hm. I’d prefer movies. A series of Movies.
Irony is a dish best served cold.
@853
yeah i could dig that.
anything really, just not one new movie and then nothing
Welcome to “Databrains Forum” … THE voice on all that’s Trek.. LOL..
I’m surprised that ncc-1701.com didnt’ update with the new trailer. We still don’t know the reasoning behind that mystery alien corridor (presumably on Nero’s ship).
re 853. A planned trilogy would be great – not just an endless series dragging out for years with no definite ending like the old series. Depending on what this one covers, maybe a tight series showing the beginning, middle and end of the 5 year mission?
re 853. A *planned* trilogy would be great – not just an endless series dragging out for years with no definite ending like the old series. Depending on what this one covers, maybe a tight series showing the beginning, middle and end of the 5 year mission?
@851
No, please, no series.
If this movie is indeed successful, what would be the point in remaking TOS just with a new cast, more action and stuff?
This movie is “supposed” to bring new audiences, but I don’t think it would fit well within the context of a series. For me, Star Trek movies (overall) were always supposed to be more action-oriented with more effects and big budget (after all, we can’t just have a movie like a normal episode), while still maintaining the core Trek principles of the series. Of course, nothing has ever been like this movie… but a series just wouldn’t fit well.
I just believe that a new Star Trek series CAN be done with thought-provoking dialogue and scenes, debating morals and concepts, updated for the modern audience and NOT necessarily be “dumbed down” or turned into a Star Wars movie.
I hope this movie just helps with the “rebirth” (economically speaking) of the franchise in a better way.
But again, if this movie is successful, we might not see anything again like the Star Trek we knew of before. It’s a risky situation.
850 Excellent point. Roger Ebert – That review is great, spot on. If the new film can embrace those ideals, we’re in for a treat and a lot more Trek.
@ 861
I really love that last paragraph in his review, when he invites the creative minds behind Star Trek to once again make “wonder, astonishment and literacy” part of the series again. Now, although this new movie isn’t “a mighty leap forward another 1,000 years into the future” I hope it works out just the same. :)
862. Yspano
Absolutely!
Watching it again, I continued to be encouraged by Karl Urban and Simon Pegg. If I end up seeing the film, I think it’ll be entirely because of them.
Here is the FRENCH version ov the trailer:
http://www.allocine.fr/video/player_gen_cmedia=18847026&cfilm=114887&hd=1.html
625
we also know that JTK was in the car longer than appears on film. Somewhere in his joyride, he puts the top down. And the cop isn’t chasing him the whole time in the trailer–only after the closeup of the speedometer do we see/hear the cop.
626/627
Oh I know what metaphor I could think of, tossing a classic-but-60s-styled car into an abyss, while allowing the character driving it to barely survive.
The guy playing the Captain in this was auditioned for the part of Scotty – he should have got it!!!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=OT08xFj836I&feature=related
PS
If anyone needs a translation, let me know. lol
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/startreknews.php?id=50627
A more detailed description of the 20 minutes shown… (sorry if this has already been posted)…
Scotty invents the transporter with the help of Spock???
Kirk with big hands not being able to write a warning message???
The great navigtor Chekov cannot speak the word Vulcan to the computer in order to set the course???
WTF???? What is going on? What is this????
@826 Dude, you truly are a prize twat!
Took me a while to get where they were going with it but once I got to see the construction and a few space scenes the ship is really growing on me. I can see how they progressed from the TOS version. The interiors seem a little sterile and a bit too bright but I think its all a matter of us getting used to the new vision, I’m ready to give JJ the benefit of the doubt here. Its also hard to wait while they release more and more of the film, by May we will have the entire plot, lots of trailers and images from the film. Not too much left to the imagination im afraid. It should have been released on christmas
Please, somebody close down the internets and stop the spoilers. I am too pathetic and weak to not read them, and then I feel sad, like a lapsed alcoholic blearily studying the empty whisky bottle on the table before him.
:)
As far as the trailer goes, the whole thing looks wonderful.
@868 Admiral_Bumblebee
Whoa! Wait a minute! As I understood it Scotty didn’t invent transporter technology but merely improved it by being able to beam an object onto another object that is moving faster than light.
Bob Orci, was that right?
@827: Yeah, made me happy (:
I still refuse to give up hope, that the new movie will be GREAT!
Yet, there are SOME things in the trailer which just make me cringe:
The whole hoverbike vs. Chevy-thing
That Boba Fett-Robocop-guy (Let’s call him the “TrekkoCop”)
Kirk apparently fighting Cthulhu (Well, OK, THAT might actually be fun ;) )
Kirk peeking at Uhura undressing? (That scene MIGHT, of course, be out of context in the trailer…)
PLUS: The Enterprise-design just doesn’t grow on me. Not because it’s not canon and that kind of bullshit, but because to me it just looks… pieced together (the Excelsior’s secondary hull, deflector dish KINDA taken from the TOS-Enterprise, the neck, the lower sensor dome and probably the whole saucer section of the refit E and the nacelles – uhmmm… either some kind of jet engine – noticed the “inlet” beneath the bussard collectors? – or part of some 50’s car…)
At least in HD you can clearly see that Kirk is making out with some blonde and not with Uhura (THAT would have been just too much – even the worst fanfic author would shy away from something like that!)
Oh if you pause at the scene where Kirk seems to fire a phaser you could actually get the impression that the phasers might be reminiscent of the laser pistols used in “The Cage”!
841 – Jon
I’m with you on this one. It’s quite annoying to hear the Negative side speaking as if they (and only they) represent the “real” or “true” Star Trek — and being mean-spirited about it to boot. They’re starting to become rather religious… maybe now is a good time to watch STV again… .
I think any sociologist or psychiatrist might have something to say about the emotional attachments people can come to feel for fictional characters, or a fictional world, eh? I don’t have a problem with people voicing their opinions, or criticisms, but it should be done in a thoughtful, civilized manner — especially here, where the Star Trek Universe proposes humanity as a more thoughtful, civilized society (or doesn’t that apply to the critics?). They should realize they are coming of as a bunch of pompous hypocrites who don’t even deserve the forum space they’re taking up by spouting their narrow-minded, inside-the-box mentality. Someone criticized Bob Orci for asking us to “have an open mind.” In the midst of all the arguing and criticism coming from the “My Mind’s Made Up” crowd, what else could he possibly say? Why would anyone presume that his asking such a question implies he is insecure about his work? This is utter nonsense. I believe Mr. Orci and Co. realized full well what they had taken on, and understood that Trek has (and always has had) a loyal fan-base. The new film is also a business, and certainly numerous meetings were held between JJ Abrams, Paramount execs, the writers, etc. to strategically come up with a concept that would make Star Trek a viable entity to the world at large, and not just another overblown episode attended only by Trekkies. Why aren’t some people getting this part of it?
Based on the trailer, this film has the look and scope of a motion picture, and, in spite of it’s new appearance, there is nothing unrecognizable about it. It is Star Trek.
Saw the trailer in HD last night during the Sarah Conner Chronicles. I think the only disappointment anyone is feeling is when the font comes up at the end that reads May of 2009! It’s rocks you so much so you want to see it tomorrow. But it looks like they placing this trailer in all the right places.
62 closettrekker: I didn’t post when I was enthusiastic. At that time there wasn’t much to discuss because there wasn’t much information and I didn’t feel it’s necessary to post ‘I’m so excited, this is gonna be marvelous’.
But it’s true, almost every lacked information on the movie put me off some more. And now this trailer is the crown jewel of off-putting.
I’m sorry if I’m negative, but I believe that the people who don’t like what they see (so far) should speak out, too. I wouldn’t want Bob Orci and maybe JJ Abrams to get the impression that there is unanimous cheering among the fans about what they’re producing.
Ah yes…..TOS dies with the Corvette…
Also, in the trailer Scotty sz “I like this new ship it’s fun”. This is a message for the newbies, that this Trek will be fun. I guess the JJ and crew think the old Trek was not. I think I’m getting back on the raped childhood bandwagon…
There’s another Easter egg that extends the trailer’s voice-over narration by Bruce Greenwood as Christopher Pike! In case you can’t find it, here’s the transcript:
“You’ve always had a hard time finding your place in this world, haven’t you? Never knowing your true worth. You could settle for less, an ordinary life. But you feel like you were meant for something better. Something special. Is it possible that I know all of this just from meeting you at my promotion to Fleet Captain? Beep Beep. And where in the devil are Colt, #1, and the rest of my crew? Boyce, bring me my martini! They can’t read through primitive emotions. Filling my mind with…”
I guess there are three fans who don’t like it so not sure how they will be making a sequel without that extra thirty bucks.
For the rest of us and many non fans this trailer looks great.
I was watching the trailer on my computer when a friend came over. She had previously declared she would never go watch a trek film but promptly changed her mind as soon as she viewed it.
I think that will be a reflection of the general viewing public.
[873] well, JAGT, the way I see it Kirk makes out with Uhuras room mate, then Uhura comes home, he has to hide under the bed. Uhura talks to her friend while undressing, Kirk watches this by accident ;))
[877] Harris, Scotty says its exciting…
but it will be fun too, for sure.
Watch where they market the movie….Sara Conner Chronicles…what trash…marketing tells you all you need to know about who this movie has been produced for and it ain’t middle aged men feeling nostalgic for the “day”. I cringe when I see that Stingray go over the cliff. Many posters here can’t even ID the car!!
Fascinating.
We all new that there were going to be changes in Star Trek, and with the trailer, we saw part of them. But i can live with that.
At one point in the trailer when the Red Alert siren goes on (which is the same btw) my heart whent warp speed guys. Bob thank you for this.
I guess the good and timeless stuff from TOS were kept and the outdated were removed or improved. And i tottaly agree with it. I wouldn’t want to see the crew walking around in the 23 century with hand-held comunicators.
Nice job and thank you for this. 5 more months to go.
#877
I need to check my sources better…but you get the idea…
[882] Thas was easy, I am a 65 model, too…
@876
There is no unanimous cheering on my side… I am still very much undecided of what to think. Generally I like some things, I’m not sure about others. I will wait to form a complete opinion until the movie is out and I’ve seen it. Only then, it would be fair to jubilate or condemn.
So I want to give this movie a fair chance. Trailers apparently have to be fast paced, action packed and short to sell. So… I’m hoping for some great morale story and a lot of background and deep character exploitations (I also hope to see more of the supporting characters than in the original series). And I hope this movie will end with a big bang that makes me say Oooh I want more of that.
There are some points in the trailer that tickled my interest. That is the bad-boy attitude of Kirk. I get to like the idea that he’s a square-jawed posterboy of a young trouble maker. It fits to the legendary character of James Tiberius Kirk.
Seeing Quinto as Spock feels totally convincing. His looks, his stamina as an actor that just all feels right.
But I’m also hoping for a well dosed mix of humanity, morale, story background as well as action in that exact order.
Where Scotty is concerned, I have seen too little of him to judge but Simon Pegg as an actor has convinced me all the way through so we can only hope for the best. Although I already do like the idea of him and Kirk sneaking onto the Enterprise through the transmitter.
I agree, it’s Star Trek for Star Wars fans. Not TREK at all. Treat this as just another Voyager episode.
I wont go see it.
The redesign of the Enterprise is total CGI BS. When the Big E was first designed, it had to be plausible. The Secondary Hull looked the way it did because there was a Shuttlebay in the back, cargo hull and engineering deck. There is no room for Botany, recreation or the bowling alley. Seriously, there’s no room for spare parts, spare shuttles (4 on the main deck, 3 in “crates” below, like on an aircraft carrier) no room for anything a long rang mission without resupply could need. The entire set up is BS. remember TMP when Bob Wise imagined Star Trek for the 2001 crowd and the Big E was white and sterile because that was his idea of sci-fi? Then Nick Meyer comes in and warms it up to save the franchise.
BSG works because it’s a lived in universe lifted from Blade Runner. The Renaissance was not as clean as a Ren Faire. Star Fleet had 14 long range mixed use cruisers, one permanently at Earth to field test new ideas, The Connie. Over the course of 3 years, three were lost fighting the Enterprise and M-5, Defiant was lost in Tholian space, Exceter was contaminated (presumed lost, but more than likely towed back to base) Intrepid was lost to the Space Ameoba.
Space is Hell. As well it should be.
Enterprise is supposed to be 20 years old by the time Kirk gets it. Scotty has hell with the engines because they’re USED. GENE and MATT were WW2 vets who knew bad design, good design, and how to make the best of what you have. The cardboard set vs. the iPod set isnt the problem. Bad Design is. Might was well be a Star Wars ship for all the bad design.
I know some of you kids are into CGI. There’s more to building something than just making it look “cool”. Gabe Koerner had a much better design. That ship had room for supplies.
in the scene where you see Nero escaping from 2 guards are these confirmed as romulan guards? Because when you look at the still if you slow down the trailer their helmets have ridges on the forehead like the klingons would.
#887
Here, here….
We live in a world where kids think playing a guitar on a game console is playing a guitar. Where playing sports on a computer is the same and getting dirty and learning how to throw and hit a curve ball.
We expect them to be concerned about design and story integrity…Please…
A few last quibbles and I’m done
The Big E is built in San Francisco, not Iowa.
Kirk’s father was a Lt. Commander in Starfleet, and his uncle’s horse farm was in Idaho. He’s from Iowa, he only works in outer space.
Yeah, that car chase doesn’t do it for me.
And sex has to be everywhere, does it? Star trek 90210.
Last thing: Kirk’s “pain” was Carol leaving him and taking David with her. Read Ashes of Eden if you havent already. The best of the Shatnerverse.
I miss girl6
I’m only up to Post #395 in catching up, but one thing I thought I’d add to the mix here.
I’m tired of hearing all the references to the “pretty boy” that’s been hired to play Kirk.
Am I the only one who remembers that back in the day, Bill Shatner was widely considered one of the most handsome men in television? And that Walter Koenig was cast as Chekov because the producers wanted a hot young guy to appeal to girls the way the Monkees did?
For crying out loud, people, don’t preach about the canon of Trek if you don’t even remember the most basic points about the history of the production of the television show.
879- Chris
My wife is a complete non-Trekkie, thinks Star Trek is stupid, and has, historically, had ZERO interest in it. Last night I tricked her – she wanted to see the trailer for Twilight, and I “accidentally” brought up the Star Trek trailer. As the trailer started, she asked, “What’s this?” I mumbled something, and then we both watched the trailer. When it finished, she said, “I’ll go see that with you.” I’m tellin’ ya, JJ’s gotta be doing something right. (I finally showed her the trailer for Twilight, and she said I’ll have to go see that with her. Fair enough….)
[887] What about the USS Constellation?
#890 we don’t know yet if he moved to SF later to live with his uncle so it may be San Francisco and not Iowa. We’ll have to wait and see. I’m not assuming anything til I see the whole story.
It may be that the actual history was messed up by Nero’s first incursion, which changed everything about Kirk’s life. Spock can’t completely fix it, but he can get it to where the crew does come together when they should have, even though not the same way as before.
So, a different path to get there, but same destination; Kirk in command of the Enteprise with his crew.
#367
Passt doch…;)
#891
- Am I the only one who remembers that back in the day, Bill Shatner was widely considered one of the most handsome men in television? -
Well, I don’t remember it first-hand, but I definitely agree! And that’s exactly the point… Pine is a pretty *boy*, Shatner was a handsome *man*. Kirk definitely is a *man*. Having said that, in STXI he probably isn’t..:p
PS: I do like James Siberius Kirk – apart from the fact that he can’t pronounce his name properly, the young rascal is rather dashing and kirkish.
@895
That would sound reasonable and beievable
it’s all quite laughable watching you guys squabble over something like this….it was a tv show…..NOTHING to do with real life….and you kn*w that it’s just Paramount trying to get the goose to lay one more golden egg…..and you know that there are suckers for (many of you amongst them)…..so suck it up and stop bitching….one day one or 2 of you may discover girls and may move out of your parents basement….until then ENJOY
@887&889
woo wooo carm down dear, its only a movie.
try to be constructive not just arguemenative.
please dont tell me and other what we think
@898
Bonehead, why don’t you stop wasting your and our time and devote yourself to your many girls.
I’ll be off now. I have a date with my husband. And you?
Cheerio!
“And sex has to be everywhere, does it? Star trek 90210.
Last thing: Kirk’s “pain” was Carol leaving him and taking David with her. Read Ashes of Eden if you havent already. The best of the Shatnerverse”
Did you ever see TOS? Sex was everywhere on that series so this is very much in line with 40 years later where the sex would be. Also…lets not bring novels into this.
#887 “When the Big E was first designed, it had to be plausible.”
Oh, please. Big flying saucer at the front; no logical design reason. Stuck on spindly neck to the engineering section (structural weakness, no reason). Engines on spindly sticks, another structurally weak design. And so on. Bridge stuck on the top in a vulnerable spot, despite having no windows. No good design reason for that either.
It was designed to look good, and to look different to traditional “rocket ships”. It wasn’t an exercise in engineering design, it was an exercise in making a good looking spaceship. The fact that years of obsessive retconning and explanationising has given “plausible” reasons for various Trek things doesn’t mean squat. How many starships were there when the series started? Nobody knew. Indeed, the Federation didn’t even exist… UESPA, remember?
It’s science fiction. It was just a fun science fiction show. Let’s all pray that’s what we’re going back to with this movie, after all the years of a dwindling minority coming to blows over a misplaced Jeffries Tube.
[900] I strongly hope that Bonehead does not have a date with your husband too ;))
i know the credits page says winona ryder plays amanda grayson in this movie but the human woman lying on the couch with the vulcan man in this trailer looks an awful lot like carrie anne moss. it’s definitely not winona ryder. what gives?
SEX? in star trek?never!!!
really. i would estimate that the first things that come to non-trekies wehn asked about trek would be
spocks ears
kirks fighting
bright colours
enterprise
and lots and lots and lots of kissing with alien girls. if kirk doesnt make out with a alien, its a bad day.
[880] Ah, I see, I see! – Seems logical to me… Uhmmm… college comedy in Trek (: – OH NO, THE FRANCHISE IS DAMNED!!!
@902(01) hehe
Jeffries Tube lol
what a joke
#905 speaks gospel truth when he says: “and lots and lots and lots of kissing with alien girls. if kirk doesnt make out with a alien, its a bad day.”
AMEN. Now all we need is a Kirk played by a man of some kind, instead of this balsawood prettybody (did I say balsa? I meant Pine … I get them confused)
Freudian slip? PrettyBOY. :)
Either way: 300ccs of gravitas. Stat. Before a strong breeze whips this one away.
I wonder how many of you are hired to come here to spread the loyalty. There is no logic emanating from you at all, only hatred for gene roddenberrys vision is what I am seeing. I am only being honest about my perceptions, as they coexist in this realm with yours.
Those people who are insulting the next generation need to remember one thing. the next generation was the culmination of genes vision. one of the reasons he created it was to correct many injustices that he had to persevere through during the original series.
Like the injustice of having to make every female character wear a skirt with leggings. The injustice of poor effects, the injustice of early cancellation. Also he felt he did not get his vision across completely in the original.
Furthermore The next generation was, by far, out on a limb, in terms of its ‘adventure’ stories. The thing you must realize is that a lot of them were cerebral adventures, not typical formulaic ‘action hero with phaser’ adventures. Which made them amazingly thought provoking.
Episodes like cause and effect come to mind. And to those who are saying the next generation compromised the fan base. What alternate dimension are you living in? The next generation single handedly brought star trek into the 90s and even the 21st century in syndicated form.
It’s viewership exceeded anything before or since in the trekiverse. So what if it didn’t appeal to the masses? The masses had plenty of other mindless drivel to pacify themselves with. Star Trek, when it was integral, was not about pleasing them. But about going out on a limb to provoke minds.
Again, the next generation was the culmination of genes vision. That is why it was so cerebral, stoic, metaphysical and just plain thought provoking. It made you have to make an effort, it made you see the merit of future humanity. And if you didn’t see the merit, you just didn’t get it. And I am fine with that.
[906] You know what they say, JAGT, Academy days, the best time of your life!
905. uus jon – November 18, 2008
SEX? in star trek?never!!!
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Sex was parts A and B of almost every plan James T Kirk ever had in TOS, so I must disagree and say that sexiness and sex itself was one of the main plot devices that made the story move forward in TOS.
Databrain, what is wrong with you? Read that Statement of yours again…
“I wonder how many of you are hired to come here to spread the loyalty.”
Do you seriously think Paramount pays people to write here?
“There is no logic emanating from you at all, only hatred for gene roddenberrys vision is what I am seeing.”
You are the only one talking about Hate.
Calm Down. We are all friends here…
Mr. Orci,
Thrilled beyond by the trailer. I have not been this excited about a Trek film since Wrath of Khan. Thank you and the others for doing so many good things to re-energize TOS Trek and to do it justice. And I believe you are doing just that. CAPTAIN PIKE is in the film, for god’s sake — what better way to show fans you care and you are paying attention to detail? You are showing respect as you re-launch this franchise!
I was also impressed that the original “RED ALERT” sound effect was there, as well as — well, I have to assume this since it has been heard at the end of both trailers — the “TRANSPORTER” sound effect.
Now all we need is the original “DOOR SWISH” and “COMMUNICATOR” sound effects and this Trek will be nearly complete!!
(I’m guessing holographic wrist communicators, btw)
Thanks again
A Fan in Cleveland
Did anyone notice that when Spock in coming down the hill with Amanda that it looks like he has a tricorder on one side and what looks like a phaser on the other. Now I don’t know what he has in his hand but I guess we’ll find out.
910
“There is no logic emanating from you at all, only hatred for gene roddenberrys vision…”
Maybe cut back on the drinking, I don’t know…
There are very few “haters” of Gene Roddenberry’s vision (that I am seeing).
You are amplifying this to a great degree.
This film is respectful and it is paying tribute.
Step up to the times. Atari 2600 is not the best videogame system anymore.
‘You are the only one talking about Hate.
Calm Down. We are all friends here…’
Everyone here who, without question, espouses the ‘reimagining’ has, in one way or the other, directly or indirectly revealed a hatred for genes vision. It has been called everything from ’silly’ to ‘non-sensical’ to ‘unrealistic’ (as if sci fi has to be realistic by todays standards) and an entire slew of other hateful comments aimed at the original future humanity vision. No one has directly taken on anything I have stated, all any of you are doing is spewing ad hominem attacks on my person hood. And by the way my statement above is a legitimate paranoia, not an insult on anyones person hood.
‘Step up to the times. Atari 2600 is not the best videogame system anymore.’
I wasn’t even alive when the Atari 2600 was out. Your presumption is both dumb and unsound. I will bet you 9 bars of gold pressed latinum that you are, at least, 10 years, of not more, my senior.
-It looks great..even i never understood this strange need for returning to origins..maybe because i , personally , hate the original uniforms and the original ships..like any other REAL trekkie i like just the uniforms from First Contact and aliens from TNG..offcourse
[915] Communicator, George?
#912 “Sex was parts A and B of almost every plan James T Kirk ever had in TOS”
And (almost) every TOS episode had a “chick of the day”, a formula that survived in a lot of tv series through the 70s and early 80s. Sex and tv entertainment are a golden couple :)
‘And (almost) every TOS episode had a “chick of the day”, a formula that survived in a lot of tv series through the 70s and early 80s. Sex and tv entertainment are a golden couple :)’
This is one of the things gene corrected with the next generation. The culmination of his vision of the future.
I just think this whole “Gene’s Vision” thing is strange and overstated. What was this great vision? So far as I can tell, a rather naive californian liberal utopianism. Well the thing is, things have changed since the 60s. We’re living in that vision to a large degree, certainly here in Europe. Sexism and racism are illegal, everyone has to be nice to each other, the state controls everything, and nobody has any money.
It’s hardly much of a revolutionary message to put in Star Trek, when it already permeates the real world around us.
922
“This is one of the things gene corrected with the next generation. The culmination of his vision of the future.”
Yeah cause we all know that show was so much better than TOS! And that Next Gen was totally original and didn’t Xerox the formula from what was done in TOS.
Problem is, Next Gen was a Xerox but not a very good one.
Maybe he should have left some of the spicy ingredients intact.
‘I just think this whole “Gene’s Vision” thing is strange and overstated. What was this great vision? So far as I can tell, a rather naive californian liberal utopianism. Well the thing is, things have changed since the 60s. We’re living in that vision to a large degree, certainly here in Europe. Sexism and racism are illegal, everyone has to be nice to each other, the state controls everything, and nobody has any money.’
I have no idea what life was like in the 60s, I was born in the late 80s, when the next generation was on the air, so I only even first saw that in syndication. That one certainly outshines the original in terms of its ‘utopian vision’ of the future. Which is really just a vision of people tackling other problems outside their own egos, thus reducing the amount of necessary conflict between humans and increasing their awareness of the need to join heads and hearts and work together as one.
I don’t know, any european I have known tells me they would never give up their lifestyles for one more akin to that of the united states. What with the free college, healthcare and the idea of everyone having food, clothing and housing. You should try talking to a few europeans before pretending to be one next time.
Okay, next thought…
I hate to provide an education into how the movie business works, but apparently since there was never a TOS episode that dealt with 21st-century marketing techniques, maybe some of you need a lesson.
TPTB knew that the trailer would be running in action-oriented venues like the Bond movie, and in Terminator on TV. Thus, the first trailer is produced in such a way as to appeal to the audiences who would go to those films.
QoS is an action movie. Only a complete idiot would produce something other than an action-oriented trailer to show to that audience.
Conclusion: The trailer shows the parts of the movie that would appeal to an audience who spends money on action movies with lots of crashing vehicles, fighting and naked chicks. It is not necessarily a summary of the entire film.
Class dismissed.
I have to agree with #922 on this one. I mean, realistically speaking of it as a TV series/movie, sex might work great as a lure for viewers to watch something. It’s a well-known working formula in the entertainment business.
But fundamentally speaking, having a “chick of the day” wouldn’t essentially consider women more as an object to be used or just something fun to see, rather than considering them to be dignified and as equals, a part of a crew who works together in a better future?
I’m not saying it does not exist in the 23rd century (otherwise, how do humans reproduce? Cloning? :), but there is just no real need to be shown explicitly. Say what you want, this is basically a device to make more people watch the movie. There is no significant plot advancement with that.
Just food for thought, don’t flame me :)
We have waited for a new Star Trek-film since 2002 and when the wait seem to be over, some people are über-negative. Whatah**l is the matter with you?
Many of us have been waiting for a new Star Trek-film for 13 years, since First Contact. In the last 10 years only two films have been produced. It has been a desert for us Trekkers.
We should be greatful for the contributions of Abrams and the crew. It appears to me that they will be the ones who bring back this great franchise and that will probably result in new tv-shows as well.
Give them a chance and stop whining about Gene’s vision, the new enterprise and this and that and so on and so forth…… It’s unworthy, really.
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And there you go. Nice overview, Neil
@912
i was being sarcastic. :)
i hope its a green lady under kirk in the trailer. and i hope the shot cuts away with some sort of sexual simile. ie a train going into a tunnel, ship taking off. like a hitchcock film.
“….We have failed to uphold Brannigan’s Law. However, I did make it with a hot alien babe. And in the end, is that not what man has dreamt of since first he looked up at the stars?”
‘Give them a chance and stop whining about Gene’s vision, the new enterprise and this and that and so on and so forth…… It’s unworthy, really.’
Unworthy of what? All the money they spent on this film that could have been spent doing something trek-like, like feeding homeless people, building an institution that helps tackle this problem, making people more aware of the need to help? Rhetorical questions.
And stop ‘whining’ about the whiners. And have a nice day.
#928
Even if this movie would be utter crap? Better crap than nothing at all?
And by the way? Who is this Gene anyway? Star Trek would have been much better without him, for sure!
Oh wait, without him there would never have been a Star Trek. Damn!
You know what:
As soon as they cast Karl Urban, the whole movie was DOOMed! – WOOOHOOO (: – Sorry, someone HAD to say that (:
Bones! – Gimme back my brain!
[917] Okay, let me be clear here, I love Gene Roddenberrys Star Trek, okay?
And I do this since 38 years, so I know what I am talking about.
But there is absolutely no problem for me to speak out for people like Orci and Abrams. People who carry the torch into another millenium, with passion and conviction. Because that is what Trek lacked in the last years.
They respect Roddenberry. And they did a great job and finding a formula for channeling Gene into the 21st Century.
925, I “talk to” Europeans every day because I live here, in England to be precise. Either that or I’m a shill in the pay of Big Oil, I’ll be bound, yes, that’s more likely.
# 931. Databrain
All the money thay spent on every other Star Trek-series/film could have been allocated to those purposes as well. But they weren’t. Instead they gave us Star Trek, which we love, and that’s exactely what is happening right now. But this time the work is done properly.
If you don’t like, don’t go and see it. I shall watch it twice in that case.
Databrain – can I postulate that, reading between the lines of your posts, you’re worried that ST:XI will be some bastardised version of Trek which doesn’t encapsulate the true spirit of Roddenberry’s original vision?
OK, fair enough. To be honest, a lot of us are worried about that, to varying degrees. But let’s put this in perspective here – we’ve seen about a dozen still shots, seen two trailers and heard lots of rumours. We don’t know a vast amount about this film.
With regard to TNG being the golden era of Trek, I’m inclined to agree with you. However, a relaunch of TNG wouldn’t work, because it’s not what fans want now. TNG has been done to death – it had 7 series, and then VOY and ENT arguably copied it. DS9 was the only series post-TNG that offered anything different.
Star Trek has moved beyond Gene Roddenberry. If it continues to adhere strictly to his vision then it ceases to become entertainment and it becomes a memorial. It might last longer, but like all memorials, it will eventually be forgotten.
That doesn’t mean that the new film can’t do justice to his vision. It doesn’t mean it can’t honour what has gone before, and break out in a new direction at the same time. And if it can do that, then it is keeping the spirit of Trek alive. And the spirit of Trek, the idea of Trek, is the very essence of it – it’s what attracts us to it in the first place.
[936] Hi Ian, greetings from the old european heartland!
Databrain – all I can tell from the trailer is that they chose to show a bunch of action. It shows nothing of the essence of what the movie is about. You say you know Gene’s vision. It was born in the 60’s and in the Viet Nam war era. The people who lived in that era are more likely to grasp his vision since they are from the era it was born out of. The non interference directive and such came from that. You’re in you 20’s and think you know everything about Gene’s real vision. I’m 55 and think I do too. This is a trailer. This particular one may be aimed at a Transformers audience. I’m going to wait to see the whole film before I make any decision. You ought to read through your posts. I can’t believe you are so full of yourself and spouting all this just because of on trailer containing two minutes from the film.
If we were to embrace Star Trek for at least another 40 years, we really should over the things like where was Enterprise built. I really don’t give a #$@.
The franchise cannot survive much longer if it doesn’t receive a certain amount of fresh blood. We all now what going on with our universe 2 years ago. Everyone taught that this was it. It was fun while it lasted, but Star Trek is history right now. Manny Coto, tried to stick to the TOS in Enterpise, but appart from good some good stories, it didn’t work. It felt like it gave TOO MUCH tribute to TOS, instead of bringing something authentic to the franchise.
Now we are 2 years later excited as never, and we are discussing trivial things like where the ship is built and why Kirk is driving a corvette. We should stop for a second and be thankfull for a moment that Paramount is considering Star Trek as prime product. The worst thing that can happen is that the movie will be bad. God knows how many bad movies and episodes Gene made. This is their (JJ, Bob…) first try, first picture. If they don’t make a good movie, we, at least I will be there to send a message and give them support to make another one. If they don’t hit TWOK publicity the first time, maybe in the second or third movie they’ll get there. Gene started with TMP, and made TFF. Don’t forget that.
Bob Orci. Macedonia is a small country but is with you guys all the way.
Czech subtitled trailer:
http://trekkies.cz/view.php?cisloclanku=2008110038&rstema=&stromhlmenu=
940
“You ought to read through your posts. I can’t believe you are so full of yourself and spouting all this…”
Agreed.
The world is filled with different ideas and interesting concepts. As Trek fans (TOS fans for sure), we should all be — at the very least — intrigued by the premise of a Trek relaunch. All this focus on the bad stuff, the supposed “evil” people behind this new film and their “rotten” intentions, well, it is really a tired act.
“FRESH BLOOD”, 941 — excellent way to put it, great post
Well said 941.
Really, the nitpicking is tiresome. For a TV show that seemed doomed from the beginning Trek has survived amazingly well. The fans can take credit for that. Rather than celebrate this, some choose to complain. I just don’t get it.
Seems to me Paramount has put a truckload of cash into this movie. They have hired arguably the most talented producers in the business today. I might add one who has successfully repackaged science fiction/action to a wider audience with shows like Heroes, Lost and Alias. He even managed to breath new life into the monster movie genre.
What more could a fan want? To expect a movie to mirror a production from 1966 makes no sense. My cell phone is more impressive than the bridge of the old Enterprise. The 23rd century hasn’t happened yet, no one knows what it will look like, but surely more impressive than a television set.
WHATEVER ‘alternative timeline’ shenanagins we end up with in THIS particular ‘TOS’-themed Movie, I am now warmly secure in the knowledge that I have now seen an ‘onscreen’ portrayal of ‘older’ Kirk surving the odds yet again, DESPITE what the creators of the ‘GENERATIONS’ Movie decided during their possesion of the franchise….
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=M2JeKeVynbY
….it’s all so obvious now….the events shown concerning Kirk in the ‘GENERATIONS’ Movie….were just an ‘alternative timeline’, and the Kirk I followed in the original series is the one that LIVES!!
917 Databrain — “No one has directly taken on anything I have stated”
Actually, I’ve been trying to have a reasoned, fair discussion with you….
“So what if it didn’t appeal to the masses? The masses had plenty of other mindless drivel to pacify themselves with. Star Trek, when it was integral, was not about pleasing them. But about going out on a limb to provoke minds.”
I still don’t understand how you see Star Trek as purely thought provoking, and not at all geared toward the “masses”. Sure, Star Trek is thought provoking, no contest there. And I agree with you 100% that TNG took a number of opportunities to push the envelope further in this regard. But almost every episode of every series & film of Star Trek was tailored to deliver the “message” in an entertaining, crowd-pleasing manner.
I dare say the intent of Star Trek has been to bring thought provoking ideas TO the masses. The moment ST fans start to insulate themselves and act like they’re in a high tower above the great unwashed, as it were, ST starts to lose its power to educate and edify.
I hope it’s clear I’m not advocating wholesale “dumbing down” Star Trek to the level of pure action. I’m just wary of elitism developing in the fanbase.
777. boborci
Im all for spoilers, doesn’t ruin my enjoyment at all, but as for this comment…. WOW
Very surprised you let that one go, cause thats a pretty big one.
I hope you fon’t get in trouble for it, lol
Great trailer by the way!
Dumbing down Star Trek may be disrespectful to thinking fans.
But thinking about the “masses” as dumb, stupid people is disrespectful as well.
What’s wrong in having a lot of exciting, bombastic, explosive fun while getting some kind of intelligent message?
Mr. Orci: I’m finding that half the fun is the wait and speculation. Do you feel the same way?
Thanks for all your hard work on this project.
LCCB
Databrain, you are without a doubt a glowing example of the worst kind of fan star trek has.
Your venom, hatred, accusations of side motives in those who make comments positive about the movie and blinding arrogance in what you consider ‘gene’s true vision’ are the very attitudes, the very superiority, and mistreatment of others that is shunned in star trek.
Do you think your attitude would impress in the universe you so love? Do you imagine kirk or spock or picard as characters would approve of your attitude, paranoia and attempts to polarise and segregate? Do you think the way you are treating others now falls in line with ‘gene’s vision’?
Do you really think any of the protagonists in trek would act like you?
Take a time-out Databrain, because while you may have watched star trek, you clearly were not paying attention to it. If you plan to keep preaching gene’s true vision, maybe you should practice it first.
@946:
Ah, I like!
Maybe there could be a properly re-edited version of Generations done – to sort out a few mistakes and one CRIMINAL OFFENCE – i.e. killing Kirk, especially so poorly.
Tagged on the end of the credits – ‘Reimagined by Star Trek fans’
Hehehehe… perhaps it should also say ‘… and Shatner fans’
;-)
#951 “I’m finding that half the fun is the wait and speculation.”
See Cloverfield :)
Incidentally, do we know of anything further on the viral campaign? I’ve checked ncc-1701.com – no change.
Anyone?
@887 – I just had to respond to this.
Design many starships, do you?
“Plausible” doesn’t equate to “possible” or “do-able”. At least not in most cases, and not without heavy, heavy computer intervention. (Just look at the F-16 – without its computers and fly-by-wire system that thing is just a $40-million-dollar lawn dart. Unstable as hell.)
Fans have re-designed the Enterprise to the point where some of them could almost build it. But nobody knows for sure what a spaceship in the 23rd century will look like, never mind how it will perform, withstand the rigors of below-zero/above-boiling-point temperatures at the same time, and oh yeah, go faster than light. I think it’s a given that we can’t do those things in the 21st Century.
IT’S A BLOODY TV SHOW! So what if they redesigned the Enterprise? It’s still the Enterprise! Do you think the sailors who sailed on the first nuclear-powered aircraft carrier to bear the name moaned and groaned because it didn’t look like the old CV-6 from WWII? Or that it had nuclear reactors powering the screws instead of good old fashioned diesel boilers? (Okay, maybe some did.)
The name “Enterprise” carries with it an ideal, and a promise. The ship in Star Trek does no less. Design is secondary.
‘Take a time-out Databrain, because while you may have watched star trek, you clearly were not paying attention to it. If you plan to keep preaching gene’s true vision, maybe you should practice it first.’
What part of genes vision am I not practicing? I have been tolerant, conversational, analytical philosophical, humanitarian and waiting for direct answers to some of my statements. Which I still have not received.
You, and those like you, on the other hand, have been, toward genes vision, disrespectful, arrogant, condescending, flagrantly insulting and outright intolerant. Think, reflect on the things said by your party, and then restate them.
‘Dumbing down Star Trek may be disrespectful to thinking fans.
But thinking about the “masses” as dumb, stupid people is disrespectful as well.’
Dumbing down something as intelligent as trek is basically equivalent to calling most people too stupid to comprehend it in its original form. The makers of such a film would be the ones insulting the general intelligence, not those pushing for more.
Half of the fun (well ok A LOT) of the fun of visiting this site is reading the comment. Wow! Insane, all the twisted knickers over things not being EXACTLY the same reminds me of all the old school BSG fans getting bent outta shape about the new BSG.
I’ve been a life long Trek fan, 3rd generation in my fam infact…hell I was practically watching it in the womb…and I am DYING to see this movie. You always have a little trepidation because you dont want to be disappointed, or have memories but I always figure if I dont watch, I’ll never know!
The trailer looks AWESOME! Yeah its the typical sexed up, action heavy, rock band promo but meh! Thats par for the course and a 1 min monlogue would be BORING!!! Star Trek was as much about the action and excitement at any cerebral complexities.
Bring it On!!!! Is it May 09 yet?
The trailer represents a little over two minutes of the film. Even if you stretched out the action scenes in the trailer that still leaves an hour and forty-five minutes of potential Star Trek greatness. Why all the worries about a trailer? I have seen great trailers for bad movies and vice versa.
We know that Kirk had his share of women in the TV show. We also know he had one true love at the academy and another one he knocked up. We know he wasn’t a boy scout. We know he was grim, a stack of books with legs. In one of the described clips Kirk says he’s going to be an officer in 3 years instead of the usual 4. There is plenty of room for him being a stack of books with legs in those 3 years. We also know that the most important directive given is the Prime Directive and he personally broke that on numerous occasions against the advice of his first officer. I can’t see anything in this two minute trailer that shows me Kirk is nothing like Kirk.
[958] Databrain, I told you before, no one is your enemy here. Just relax.
You don’t sound like 25, more like 82…
‘Sure, Star Trek is thought provoking, no contest there. And I agree with you 100% that TNG took a number of opportunities to push the envelope further in this regard. But almost every episode of every series & film of Star Trek was tailored to deliver the “message” in an entertaining, crowd-pleasing manner.’
And it did just that insomuch as it ever could or would throughout the run of the next generation. Remember, the next generation was more eccentric and thought provoking than the original series, and yet it garnered more viewers than the original did. It did not do this at all by catering to action-film audiences. It did it by being integral about it’s messages and pushing the envelope both artistically and philosophically. And it did so with the blessing of Gene, who created it to augment his own vision of the future that he felt was not fully put forth in the original due to limitations set forth by television execs.
954. “Paulaner – November 18, 2008
#951 “I’m finding that half the fun is the wait and speculation.”
See Cloverfield :)”
I also enjoyed all that Cloverfield speculation build up. But the film itself was way, way more than half the enjoyment. I’m an older one and it’s been many a year since my heart was racing like that through any film.
‘Databrain, I told you before, no one is your enemy here. Just relax.
You don’t sound like 25, more like 82…’
I am relaxed. You obvious equate being relaxed with talking about things in a light hearted ‘LOL’ manner. Fortunately you are not mirriam webster and I am not interested in proving that I am ‘relaxed’ to you.
[960] You are right, Bill. From the moment when Kirk arrives at the shuttle, gives away his bike and joins Pike you know that he will give his very best at the academy. We know from JJ that he will get in trouble anyway, but that is another story…
Oh and again, with the insults toward the younger generation.
‘you don’t sound 25 you sound 82′
as if