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Wondercon 09: Star Trek Panel Detailed Report & Pictures February 28, 2009

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Abrams,Conventions/Events/Attractions,Orci/Kurtzman,ST09 Cast,Star Trek (2009 film) , trackback

After they showed the Star Trek trailer, the full Wondercon Star Trek panel comprised of JJ Abrams, Bryan Burk, Roberto Orci, Zachary Quinto, Chris Pine, and Zoe Saldana held a Q&A session. See below for a detailed breakdown with partial transcript and images of all the ‘surprise guests.’

 

Trek panel addresses the fans and their issues
After showing off the new the trailer (see previous TrekMovie article), Abrams then introduced his panel, comprised of executive producer Bryan Burk, co-writer Roberto Orci and actors Chris Pine (Kirk), Zachary Quinto (Spock) and Zoe Saldana (Uhura). All got big rounds of applause, with the biggest probably going to Zachary Quinto, introduced as "one of our Heroes" followed closely by Chris Pine who was introduced as "one of our heart throbs of the future." They then went immediately to Q&A.

Below is a partial transcript, focusing on a couple of the more interesting exchanges, followed by a summary of more from the panel. Also note all images can be clicked on for larger versions

Question: I heard it said that a big part of this Star Trek was to open it up to a wider audience, how difficult was it to strike the balance between that and making it something that long-time fans can approach. How much are you staying with continuity of everything that has come before?

Abrams: It is a great question, and you are a fan of Star Trek? Huge Fan? [questioner replies 'yes'] Then obviously, you are savvy enough to know that if we were just to make the movie for fans of Star Trek we would be limiting the audience enormously. And the truth is, because we love this, because we are beholden to you, because the fans of Star Trek are what allow us to make a version of Star Trek at all, I can assure you that we making this movie for you. It goes without saying, although it is important that we say it. I have taken some flack for saying in the press "we are making this for future fans of Star Trek" as if we don’t care about the existing fans. That could not be farther from the truth. We love and are beholden to the existing fans of Star Trek and one of the ways we made sure this movie is going to make you happy is we had this great range of points of view with the  producers, one of whom is Bryan, who had never seen an episode of Star Trek at all…then we have got Bob Orci who is an absolute avowed Trekker, so we have this great balance. So the answer to your question is that there are a million references and the story adheres to canon pretty much as well as The Original Series adheres to canon, the movie really does. I mean that.
You all know, even with The Original Series, there are some contradictions. But the truth is: we love it. And as someone who was not a fan to begin with, I’ve come to appreciate and understand and actually feel
jealous I didn’t get hooked earlier so I can understand how amazing the show was.

Orci: Everyone here respects and was inspired by what Trek was and this movie is in a unique situation where it is both a prequel, but a sequel. All of Trek that preceded this movie is necessary within canon for this movie to have happened. So if you are a fan, your knowledge of Star Trek is going to be rewarded. And if you are not, you are going to learn why we were all inspired by it.


Wondercon Star Trek panel (L-R) Zoe Saldana, Chris Pine, Zachary Quinto, Roberto Orci, Bryan Burk, and JJ Abrams

Question: Especially for those of you who are new to the Star Trek phenomenon, what has it come to mean to you over the process of making the film and now promoting it and being in the middle of all of this?

Quinto: For me one of the most rewarding experiences throughout was getting to know Leonard [Nimoy], besides working with all the people on this process. Having his involvement so integral to the process was so illuminating. And not only that, but to see the impact it had his career and his life and the kind of man he is. And I think that is an extension of what Gene Roddenberry set out to create over forty years ago. I think the times that we live in necessitate that kind of point of view. And I think JJ is such a great great person to take it and move it forward, there is an optimism that lives in the heart of this film and the heart of the franchise that I think is a really great thing for us to share with the world right now. That was something that had a great impact for sure.

Pine: I think for me it was just a great opportunity to get to know people I now call my friends. JJ created such an unbelievable ability to create absolute equanimity on the sets. No one feels like there is a dictator shouting orders behind video village. It was a family on the set I was so lucky to have fun with every day. So that kind of family that we built on set will hopefully build into this bigger family out here that will accept this new version. And this is all credited to Bob, JJ and Alex [Kurtzman]…a good blend of great action sequences, like we saw on screen right there, and wonderful relationships between the characters and I was privileged and grateful to be a part of it.

Quinto: We all just saw the movie for the first time this week, the three of us. I just saw it last night and literally couldn’t speak for like twenty minutes, and I am not like that. It is such a ride. It is so exciting. I am really excited to share it with everyone, and I think we all are, but it was such a thrill and I am really proud to be part of it. It succeeds on a lot of levels.

Saldana: [after a pause] Sorry I was distracted…it is Spock and Kirk! I get distracted because I am so excited. For me I would definitely have to agree with Zach, the most exciting thing of this experience was originally meeting the original cast members–working with Leonard Nimoy and meeting Nichelle Nichols. That is one elegant and sexy Uhura, I will tell you that. To know how excited they were and how much they blessed this entire project. From JJ being the creator behind it and the writers and the direction in the way the story is going and the revamping and bringing it back for you guys and to make believers out of generations that were born in the 80s and 90s, it is an opportunity for them to be introduced to this world that existed for so many years. I am a believer now.

Abrams: They are very kind to call me and the writers ‘creators’ of the movie, but you should know that we were all so aware of Gene Roddenberry when we making this movie. We were so indebted to him and having Majel, who so sadly passed away recently, not only on the set, but getting her to be part of this movie. And having people who were there who worked with Gene, not the least of which is Mr. Nimoy, a more elegant, thoughtful, considerate and caring man does not exist. He is remarkable. I wanted to make sure you guys know how much we appreciate and bow to everything that comes before, because this movie would not remotely have a chance to exist at all had it not been for all that work. 


Zoe Saldana looking great at Wondercon Star Trek panel

Abrams on Trek inspiration and combining character and action
JJ was asked (by pre-teen fan) what inspired him to bring back Star Trek. He said that when he was first approached to produce it, even though he wasn’t the biggest fan, he was interested "by the idea of Kirk and Spock and what they came to be." Then after bringing in the other producers and the writers, he loved the script so much he would be "jealous" if anyone else directed it. Of the script he said it was "fun and full of characters and action and spectacle." At that point Bob reached over and handed JJ some cash. The crowd laughed and he said "no money needed, it really was a great script" and he then pocketed the money.

Abrams was also asked how he finds way to combine character stories and action in all of his work. The director noted that his favorite movies are those that "combine characters that are complex, that are broken in some way, but you believe them and they are real and they make you feel…and then they are thrown into the craziest s–t of all time." He noted that working with Bob, Alex and Damon [Lindelof] keeps pushing him to "find ways to feel more and deeper about characters in situations that are increasingly unbelievable." Abrams also said that he had to give credit to the actors for making it all believable.

More random Abrams comments


Abrams ponders a question at Wondercon Star Trek panel

Pine and Quinto on Classic Trek
Chris Pine was asked if he had a favorite episode and he immediately did a Shatneresque scream of "I’m Captain Kirk!" (from "The Enemy Within"), also noted that "I love it when he fights Finnegan" ("Shore Leave") which he thought was "hysterical", but Pine isn’t sure he would have done the one where he "wrestled the young boy" ("Charlie X"), but went on to say "I think what I love about The Original Series is that Mr. Shatner is incredibly funny. It is that humor he brought to Boston Legal. It is that twinkle in his eye that anything can happen. It is that something I couldn’t recreate for the life of me, but I tried to bring my own thing.

Quinto was asked if he looked to TOS for inspiration and he noted that he watched the show in his trailer while they were shooting Trek but looked directly to Nimoy as a resource instead of looking to episodes for his inspiration. He also noted that he did a lot of research "reading a lot about the world and about character." But he
emphasized that they were doing something new and that "the words that Bob and Alex gave us and the situations that the characters found themselves in were really the most important thing."

When asked about taking over the roles of Kirk and Spock, Chris Pine said "it was not pretty daunting, it was totally daunting" to which Quinto jumped in joking "I was not daunted," again showing the rapport and chemistry that this new team have. Pine then said when he took the role he was conscious of not letting down the Trek fans, which he called "the best fans of all of fandom" (nice pandering Chris, but appreciated. But Pine noted that while respecting what had come before, their job was to tell "this story and this particular journey." 


Zachary Quinto shows some emotion at Wondercon Star Trek panel


Chris Pine talks to the crowd at Wondercon Star Trek panel

Bob shows off new card
During the panel when I went up to take some photos, Bob Orci saw me with the other press and waved. He then pulled out one of the cards from the Rittenhouse Star Trek set announced this week (see TrekMovie story) and displayed it for me.


Bob flashes his card for the TrekMovie fans

After the panel Orci jumped off the stage and started handing cards out to those in the front rows. But by the time Bob walked by me again he didn’t have any left, but Tamar at Paramount publicity caught up with me on the show floor after the panel and gave me one. She also showed off her Trek cred, see below.


(Left image) Crowd rushes Orci for Cards
(right image) Paramount’s Tamar Teifeld (L) and her sister Shelly

And here is the card


The card

Final thoughts
This was the first time to see so many of the cast and producers together, and it was the Star Trek panel that everyone wanted to happen last year at Comic Con. All were refreshingly candid and yet showed their immense passion for the project. It was a delight to see the rapport they all had, especially the actors and that is a good sign for good chemistry in the film. The crowd applauded often and laughed at many of the jokes and seemed far more enthusiastic than at other panels earlier in the day. 

It was interesting that Abrams brought up how he had got ‘flack’ for some of his comments in the press, and faced that issue head on. He has always had the challenge to make the film for multiple audiences, and now he has the new challenge of promoting the film to those multiple audiences. Today he was certainly shaping his message for the fans. However his comments about respecting the past and Roddenberry seemed heartfelt and were appreciated.

Overall I imagine Paramount considers this a success and it should help build buzz, along with the new trailer coming out with Watchmen next Friday.

Comments

1. mcon - February 28, 2009

first? the card looks sweet.

2. Lousy_Canadian - February 28, 2009

Looking good, Zachary!

3. McCoy - February 28, 2009

Well, it’s just marketing right? If we not supposed to believe the “it’s not for fans” comment, then why should we believe “it’s for the fans”?

It’s weird, really. A movie I should be dying to see but I just don’t feel it.

After this, still wait and see…I’m thining 2nd or 3rd weekend (maybe iTunes).

4. tauntme - February 28, 2009

If you’re one of those people that can’t or won’t take a producer’s word, then all we can ask is to give this movie a chance and watch it. Make your own conclusions from first hand experience.

5. Jefferies Tuber - February 28, 2009

great picture of JJ and the E.

6. CMX54 - February 28, 2009

#3

I don’t feel it either, McCoy. I’ll wait for the DVD.

7. Anthony Pascale - February 28, 2009

I went to see every single trek film since the 80s on the big screen, even V. I cannot comprehend why any Trek fan wouldnt, film tickets are not that much money. We can debate them later, but it is what we do. I knew some of them were going to be dissapointments, but I went because it was Trek and there is always something good in all Trek films.

In this case, I really recommend seeing it once on the big screen as this is the first film since TMP that is really pusing the epic scale and unless you have a giant screen (and I mean giant) home theater, you wont see the film in the way it is meant to be seen. Some of the effects shots are breathtaking and just wont give you that feeling on TV, and certainly not on iTunes! The Blu-ray and DVD will be good for repeat viewings, but if somoene offered to show me the whole thing right now on a small screen i would say no. In fact I wish that my first time would be on IMAX, but the ealier press screenings will almost certainly not be on IMAX (and those I will no say no to).

8. Gabriel Bell - February 28, 2009

7. Well said, AP.

… and love that Quinto shout-out for the Extras! Classy stuff.

9. Gabriel Bell - February 28, 2009

Uh, oops. Had ZQ on the brain. That should have been a salute to Abrams for the classy plug for the Extras.

10. AJ - February 28, 2009

Anthony:

What a great report.

Roberto, especially, knows how close you are to the heart of Trek fandom, and JJ’s comments stabbed right at the concerns many Trek fans have about the film and its marketing campaign.

I, for one, am waiting for the real fun to begin in May.

Bring it on.

11. c0mBaTkArL - February 28, 2009

I think it would be ridiculous to pass on seeing this film on a big screen, or even an Imax screen for that matter. Some gripers just don’t deserve the movies that can be made today. Worry not, your lawn is safe from me.

12. S. John Ross - February 28, 2009

There’s a wide spectrum of approaches to “offer up money to the holy logo of Star Trek like a bunch of sheep” and “stamp the little tantrum-feet and boycott the film because of a still of a character’s shoelaces.”

I call it: wait for the reviews by reviewers who have proven in the past to have similar tastes to my own, wait for the personal word of friends I trust who know my tastes well (and who are more eager than I am and will see it first), and _then_ decide: see it on the big screen at night? see it on the big screen as a matinee? wait to see it in a second-run theater? wait to rent it on DVD? wait to catch it years down the road at random in a con suite?

It’s not like there are just two options, here. It’s not like we’re required to choose right now.

Nothing about the promotions have yet sold me on an opening-night-with-cash-in-hand approach. Nothing about the promotions have yet turned me away entirely (as Insurrection and Nemesis did).

Still just not sure. That’s allowed, surely? :)

13. Valar1 - March 1, 2009

Personally, I will see it in a theater, just not on opening day. I’m sick of people talking or babies crying in the middle of my movie going experience, so I usually wait a few weeks when the herd thins out. I don’t know if I have the will power to wait a few weeks this time though.

14. Open Maw Productions - March 1, 2009

@#4 I rarely take producer’s words for things. I remember the panel like this for Doom. All kinds of fluffy crap and lies to get people into seats. I want to believe, i’ve been a fan of Star Trek since I was four years old. But we simply won’t know until we finally sit down to watch this. They need to show us something that actually says to the Star Trek fans “This is truly Star Trek.”Not Star Wars with a cowl that somewhat resembles Star Trek.

@#7 Yeah, unless you’re like some of us who are feeling the pain of the economy, and the only reason we have things like the internet is generally nessacity. Some of us have to pick what we spend our money on for recreation very carefully.

Don’t get me wrong there. I want this film to succeed. I just read here a lot and it seems time after time anyone who has even a little criticism gets hit hard by people who are absolutely dead set on loving it no matter what it is. Even if it honestly doesnt look or feel anything like Star Trek. Which really quite saddens me.

They’re pitching this as an action movie to the general audience. So either they’re lying to the general audience, and this is actually just a ploy to get them in seats, or they’re lying to us and it really is just an ultimately hollow action movie, with just a enough sprinkling of nostagia in it to get Trekkers pacified to a renewed franchise. I hope it turns out to be somewhere between those two, but the way these things go is so by the numbers anymore I really have no hope for that. Especially these Comic Con type of panels, its always the same uninformed questions being answered in a fluffy soft kind of way and nothing really gets covered.

I’d be very interested to know if the writers and JJ watched the original series all the way through before taking this project up. That, I think was the ultimate failing of Berman and Braga, The man who prided himself on not having watched TOS. Kind of stupid when you’re WRITING THE PREQUEL. That level of hands on research is usually what develops the solid stories we have had since TOS. The Wrath Of Khan being the prime example of a story that really got the Star Trek family and of course The Search For Spock and The Voyage Home which really came in strong on getting the Kirk/Spock/McCoy relationship. Those are also my two favorites of the original six.

Really though, I will absolutely give the writers and the creative minds credit. They have established a brilliant loop hole that does physically allow them to abandon all the crutches of the last 40 years of Trek by simply saying “This is an alternate universe.” Where everything can ultimately be different because of a few events transpiring. It IS a reboot, they just aren’t calling it that. They have basically given themselves the capacity to get around the entire original canon of these characters.

They call this an origin story… But it really isn’t. It cant be considered an origin story in the sense that these aren’t the same people that we met on the original series….

An example, take “Yesterday’s Enterprise” from TNG, now go back in time to just as the crew of the Enterprise D are coming together in that time line. The events that lead up to that are wholly different, because Starfleet was at war with the Klingons for years, changing the Enterprise’s very design, changing what planets the Federation had control of, changing the location of persons and the number of ships in active service, and even the behavior of the characters as seen in the episode. These aren’t the same characters, and they most likely never will be the “same” again.

Change isn’t always bad, but that doens’t mean its good either. In fact, thats really not my point. My point is lets just be honest with what the writers have done with the canon here. They “Moved it over” so that they could just write something brand new freely. It’s a ploy to keep hard core canon nazies off of them… Though with as drastic as the art design has been deviating from the original I think they would have done themselves a big favor to just absolutely let go of the original 40 years and call this the “Batman Begins” of Star Trek. That’s really what it is… and if it turns out to be that good I certainly won’t complain one bit.

I think if Trek ever does go back to Television, doing a “pure bred” reboot of the original series, and giving it a continuity in the veign of shows like “House” would be the way to go. In essence what Joe Straczinski pitched. (I have that pitch open right now in fact.)

15. Alex Rosenzweig - March 1, 2009

I found the comments, especially about continuity, to be intriguing. It’s interesting to note the contrasting approaches to marketing the film to a fan audience vs a non-fan audience.

Admittedly, my first reaction to Bob Orci’s comment, “All of Trek that preceded this movie is necessary within canon for this movie to have happened, if you are a fan”, is to want to follow up and ask, “Okay, very cool. Now, will all of Trek that preceded this movie still be relevant, going forward, after the movie is done?”

More than almost anything else, it’s the answer to that question that’ll be a make-or-break between me seeing this film 20+ times in the theater, and seeing it once. It gets the once as a gimme. The other 19+, it has to earn. ;)

16. Blake Powers - March 1, 2009

#14 good lord man. That is a long post. I’m just wondering how you read those comments then typed all that up.
That being said I’m super pumped about this movie.

17. CaptainRickover - March 1, 2009

Well, that make me feel more peacefull about JJ’s comments from Asia.
But if Star Trek 09 will please me as a hardcore-fan, I can’t say at this time. I have to see it first.

18. SChaos1701 - March 1, 2009

I really hope there is a bonus feature of Pine and Abrahms beat boxing.

19. SPOCKBOY - March 1, 2009

Did anyone else notice how familiar Chris Pine’s shirt looked?
http://tinyurl.com/dzxjmq
: )

20. Alex Rosenzweig - March 1, 2009

#14 – “Really though, I will absolutely give the writers and the creative minds credit. They have established a brilliant loop hole that does physically allow them to abandon all the crutches of the last 40 years of Trek by simply saying “This is an alternate universe.” Where everything can ultimately be different because of a few events transpiring. It IS a reboot, they just aren’t calling it that. They have basically given themselves the capacity to get around the entire original canon of these characters.”

I’m biased, of course, but that’s exactly the attitude they hopefully are *not* taking. Trying to “get around” an established world is a really good justification for not letting someone play anywhere near it.

“They call this an origin story… But it really isn’t. It cant be considered an origin story in the sense that these aren’t the same people that we met on the original series….”

But is that the case? They’ve said at various times that the intent is that they *are* supposed to be the essentially the same people. So, somewhere, we may not be getting a truthful (or at least complete) picture, but it’s hard to say where.

“My point is lets just be honest with what the writers have done with the canon here. They “Moved it over” so that they could just write something brand new freely. It’s a ploy to keep hard core canon nazies off of them…”

I doubt it’ll work, if that was the goal. The hardcore folks like that would just criticize the ploy as well as any differences, instead of just criticizing the differences. It’s a lose-lose with those folks.

“I think if Trek ever does go back to Television, doing a “pure bred” reboot of the original series, and giving it a continuity in the veign of shows like “House” would be the way to go. In essence what Joe Straczinski pitched. (I have that pitch open right now in fact.)”

I think they should get away from reboots of any kind as quickly and completely as possible. Ideally, if they want to plan ahead for TV, what they should consider is having the Enterprise crew work with another ship/station and crew during a film, and then, if audience response is good, spin *those folks* off to a TV show, and leave Kirk and co. for films.

I found JMS’s pitch interesting, but not as a TOS reboot. He and Zabel lost me about at the point where they started trying to come up with external justifications for an exploration mission, as if the exploration weren’t justification enough. OTOH, a different ship doing what they described as its primary mission might be intriguing…though it’s already quite similar to ST: Vanguard, and if they really want to do that sort of story, they might as well just put Vanguard on the screen and have done with it.

21. 790 - March 1, 2009

All the hype will be put to the test very soon.

22. Buzz Cagney - March 1, 2009

As a long time TOS fan who has doubts about this project I will say that has settled my nerves. I WANT this film to be for ME as well as new fans but I also (maybe selfishly) want it to be my Kirk, my Spock etc.
I’ll go and see it with an open mind and hope to fall in love with these characters anew.

23. S. John Ross - March 1, 2009

#21: Well said.

24. Open Maw Productions - March 1, 2009

#20
“I’m biased, of course, but that’s exactly the attitude they hopefully are *not* taking. Trying to “get around” an established world is a really good justification for not letting someone play anywhere near it.”

I think its wishful thinking to think that isnt what they’re doing unfortunately. If you change a persons life experiences, are they truly the same person? This was ironically a question Star Trek asked quite a few times. (From the oft hated Trek V “I don’t want my pain taken away, I need my pain!” as an example). I mean really, I think my analogy pretty much fits. Would you say the crew of the Enterprise D in the alternate timeline was inherently a different,darker, more militaristic. Sure they were still in many ways the same people, but the entire thing was very much a different take all together. You cant have “Different take” and “The same” it doesnt work that way.

“But is that the case? They’ve said at various times that the intent is that they *are* supposed to be the essentially the same people. So, somewhere, we may not be getting a truthful (or at least complete) picture, but it’s hard to say where.”

Sure, but there are already a great many signs that many of the people that would have been crucial to this point of Kirk and Spocks’ development are being shifted around or negated completely. There is simply no way they can cover what we know about Kirk and Spock from the original series within the amount of time they have to work with. Pike’s command is going to be different. Kirk is likely not going to go off and command the farrugat. Thats simple screen writing 101, you cant have a coming of age story, and an origins story, and then break it all apart at the end… Doesn’t work like that. This story in essence usurps the TOS timeline as it stands for a different one.

“I doubt it’ll work, if that was the goal. The hardcore folks like that would just criticize the ploy as well as any differences, instead of just criticizing the differences. It’s a lose-lose with those folks.”

Yeah, thats basically why I think it would have been better for them to “just drop it.”

“I think they should get away from reboots of any kind as quickly and completely as possible. Ideally, if they want to plan ahead for TV, what they should consider is having the Enterprise crew work with another ship/station and crew during a film, and then, if audience response is good, spin *those folks* off to a TV show, and leave Kirk and co. for films”

That is certainly not a bad idea, it’s a cost effecient one, thats for sure.

“I found JMS’s pitch interesting, but not as a TOS reboot. He and Zabel lost me about at the point where they started trying to come up with external justifications for an exploration mission, as if the exploration weren’t justification enough. OTOH, a different ship doing what they described as its primary mission might be intriguing…though it’s already quite similar to ST: Vanguard, and if they really want to do that sort of story, they might as well just put Vanguard on the screen and have done with it.”

Yeah. I just found the strength of his producing a show to be so appealing after the narrative success that Babylon 5 was, and his genuine love of the original Star Trek. That is not to say it would be “perfect” but I think it deserved more of a chance than it got.

25. Steve - March 1, 2009

can’t believe there are people on here (no doubt everyday ) pretending that they can’t wait to see the film. yeah right about the “oh i’ll wait for the dvd” pathetic. go back to highschoolmusicalmovie.com website.

Bring on May!!!!! can’t wait
Oh no sorry i’m gonna wait til it’s on cable in 3 years cos’ i’m really not bothered

26. Dan - March 1, 2009

Hello Shelly Teifeld, rawrrrrr…!!

27. DaveM - March 1, 2009

#14 – I think the reason that people jump all over people who are criticizing this film is that it hasn’t opened yet. How a fan or an individual in general can make some of the sweeping statements about the quality or lack thereof in this film without having seen anything more than a two minute trailer or some random still images is probably the thing that enrages people the most.

Its okay to express doubts, but there are way too many forums online for this film where people have said things like…

“That looks nothing like a Starfleet shuttle… they’ve ruined this film for me…”
“Shatner’s not in it so there must be something seriously wrong with this picture.”
“OMG! What have they done to the Enterprise? I’m boycotting this film.”

It’s great that the fans hold the original so near and dear to their hearts. Its really impressive after all these years to see the affection that drives these statements. With having said that… this film hasn’t hit theaters. Talk of boycotts or refusing to see it becasue they don’t like the design of this or that doesn’t set well with the individuals who are trying to keep an open mind about the film until they’ve seen it in a theater.

Everyone is certainly going to have an opinion good or bad. I just think (IMHO) that the boycott talk and statements about how Trek has been destroyed by this creative team need to be put on the back burner until the film has actually opened and people have seen it. At that point, the gloves can come off and the arguments for and against can be made legitimately.

28. Devon - March 1, 2009

#25 – What a waste of a post.

Anyway, I will be there on May 8 at the Imax :))))

Glad to see the panel was a success and went down really well for everyone. Hoping to see more fan reviews like Anthony’s and different thoughts from people who were there.

29. The Last somethin' or other........ - March 1, 2009

I don’t care anymore. That is to say that for all of the Canon Nonsense, it’s just too much tribble, but I digest. After so many tidbits being Shown and all the tie in stuff, I feel A: like I’ve already seen it, and B: Like I know what direction it’s headed in. I really do think this will feel just like “Transformers.” I’ll watch it to see if it’s any good. (Can’t tell unless I see it, right?) Yeah I’ll probably like the FX, Will totally howl when Uhura Pulls her clothes off, but It still Feels like it’s just another, Starsky and Hutch, or Dukes of Hazard, or Whatever they’ve Remade in the past 20 years. Nimoy’s Spock isn’t there so the story will make sense, He’s Charlton Heston in an Ape Suit.

Nothing but Respect for Mr. Nimoy, but you know what I’m Talking about.

30. The Last Maquis - March 1, 2009

#29

I totally Agree.

31. Paulaner - March 1, 2009

JJ and co. are trying to resurrect Trek and make it cool and exciting once again. I remember how embarassing was bringing friends to the theatre for the last two movies (in my region Nemesis was cancelled after just a week).
Even if this new movie fails, I will be forever grateful to the new Trek crew.
About the “movie not for fans” thing… come on, this is simply ridiculous. A Trek fan not wanting to see a new Trek incarnation after years is something out of my imagination. Trek is Trek.

32. Commodore Redshirt - March 1, 2009

RE: 29. The Last somethin’ or other……..
You Said :
” I don’t care anymore. That is to say that for all of the Canon Nonsense… …Spock isn’t there so the story will make sense, He’s Charlton Heston in an Ape Suit. ”

LOL as hell …but I think you are so wrong…
Nimoy has said time and time again that he “…loved the story!”
…and this is a new story. Whereas POA was more or less the same story in both films.

33. Devon - March 1, 2009

29 – “Spock isn’t there so the story will make sense,”

Tell us why not.

34. Paulaner - March 1, 2009

In my opinion, the Transformers comparison is totally out of place. Transformers was a movie for *kids* based on characters from *toys*. What did we expect, hard sci-fi? From an adult point of view, it was even too deep and mature!

35. NCC-73515 - March 1, 2009

The illusion of movement??
Don Hertzfeldt comes to mind ;)

36. Bren - March 1, 2009

26, Dan;

Seconded.

37. Doug in San Diego (next stop Chicago) - March 1, 2009

#7: Anthony, I agree with you competeley. I cannot fathom *not* going… not going that first weekend knowing full well that I (and my son and friends) are going to have to fend off huge crowds.

As you said, this will be the first epic TREK since ST:TMP (stll my fav of all the movies) and think this one is going to knock our socks off.

Each of the films has had its own inherent strengths and weaknesses (even ST: V, which fans have to agree had some of the best moments defining the KSM triad committed to film). Yes, it is the probably my least favorite of all the adventures, but it has some moments that are truly inspiring.

That, to me, is the fun of TREK movies. After leaving the thater, there is always plenty to talk about, discuss, debate, etc., afterwards. How many other films actually do we find viewers doing that?

I recall after V one of my friends saying, “so that is Shatner’s take on Star Trek.” We talked about that for hours. This movie will be no different.

(BTW, while walking the streets of San Diego today I found a comic book shop and bought the prequel comic books… very nice, says me!)

For the canon Nazis, I suspect you will find you like the movie far better than you expected you would… I also think (without having any strong evidence to support this belief) that while some canon-conflicts are going to be seen in the flick, I suspect that this will all be explained away because of the disruption of the timeline.

Question is, will all be rectfied by film’s end?

I, for one, cannot wait for 09 May 09!

38. Iowagirl - March 1, 2009

- It is that twinkle in his eye that anything can happen. It is that something I couldn’t recreate for the life of me, but I tried to bring my own thing. –

The first time Pine’s making some sense. ;)

39. Kirk1701 - March 1, 2009

Beat box? Yeeuckgh! “Star trek in da house”? Barf. Tupac is fingering his glock in his grave.

But seriously, great stuff. I get more and more thrilled about Pine. He really looks the part. I like what he said about Shatner’s ‘twinkle’. That’s a good way to put it. And with TMZ trashing him this week, it’s easy to forget just how good-looking Bill was in 1966. I really wanted to be Kirk when I was a kid because he was so confident and skilled. He was so young and beautiful, but his grasp of command was unparalleled. I still wish Bill were showing up in this film, but I think Pine, even from the tiny bit I’ve seen, is a worthy successor. I hope he can find his own pace to making this legendary character even more mythical.

40. Ralph - March 1, 2009

Great report AP. I too have seen every movie at the theater. And I agree with you, they are best seen on the big screen. I remember knowing which theater had the best audio with the loudest bass. That was important. Thanks for making all this a fine experiance AP. I look forward to more news by you and your staff.

41. bgiles73 - March 1, 2009

19. Scary thing about that shirt is, a few months back I saw a publicity shot and Pine had a red shirt like Shatner’s!

42. Krik Semaj - March 1, 2009

“That, to me, is the fun of TREK movies. After leaving the thater, there is always plenty to talk about, discuss, debate, etc., afterwards. How many other films actually do we find viewers doing that?”

Plenty of other films are talked about after people leave the theatre. I agree with you though Trek movies are debated, rehashed, critiqued ad nauseam days, weeks, months, even decades after they are made. I love Trek too but jeez. Trek fans have mind numbing discourse on trailers or even a photo. Lunacy

And to those who claim they will wait for the DVD – yeah right. You know you will be there in the first week or so regardless of your post here.

I know I will be.

43. COOLPT - March 1, 2009

In the pic of JJ “pondering”, it looks like the right side of his glasses are taped! He always looks like an uber-nerd! So I am sure he has all the tech stuff down pat.

44. Jon - March 1, 2009

It’s so funny to read people feigning impartial stoicism when it comes to seeing it in the theater. Anthony’s comments really ring true when you look at the poll on the right, where (currently) 71% of responders saw NEM in theaters, and it’s generally regarded as one of the worst, if not the worst Trek movie ever. (I actually didn’t see it or Insurrection in theaters, but that was because I was out of the country and didn’t know they had come out. When I finally did see it I surprisingly liked NEM).

So regardless of how much commenters invoke the blind eye of justice and objectivity, precedent dictates that most Trek fans will see this movie in theaters. I hope a lot of non-fans do too.

45. Jon - March 1, 2009

Sorry I should have said 71% saw NEM in theater, and are planning to do so again, irrespective of NEM’s quality.

46. SerenityActual - March 1, 2009

The more I hear, the more excited I get for this movie. Being a lifelong trekker (well, almost since Trek is a lil younger than I am), I was already going to go to the movie. My excitement for the movie has gone from “okay there is a new Star Trek movie out this week” to “I think this is my movie event of the year”.

This movie had alot of strikes against it, I don’t like JJ’s work, I dont like the new E, and doing an origin story without Gene or the original actors soured me, and the cast didn’t impress me (with a couple of exceptions), but now it’s really getting me excited.

“the wait is almost over”

47. Clinton - March 1, 2009

This waiting for May 8 is becoming agonizing!

48. Viking - March 1, 2009

“I went to see every single trek film since the 80s on the big screen, even V. I cannot comprehend why any Trek fan wouldnt, film tickets are not that much money. We can debate them later, but it is what we do. I knew some of them were going to be dissapointments, but I went because it was Trek and there is always something good in all Trek films.”

Opening night for me – every one since ’79.

49. Liz - March 1, 2009

I already feel like I have to wait 20 minutes to respond. I can only imagine how I’m going to feel on May 8th.

50. sean - March 1, 2009

Look, for all of you folks that feel this movie will be such an insult and have said ‘oh I’ll wait for the 3rd week or pick up the DVD, yadda yada, Paramount ain’t getting my hard-earned money…’, the BEST thing you could do is go on opening weekend. Movies live and die by word-of-mouth, and there’s nothing that could hurt this movie more than a smashing first weekend followed by a massive decline in week 2. If it’s horrible, you can rush home to your internet, text/call all your friends and even stand on top of your rooftop and shout to all your neighbors about the travesty you’ve just experienced. Tell them to not even bother renting it, and cut into Paramount’s DVD sales while you’re at it.

Of course, that’s if it’s awful. If it’s actually a *good* or even *great* movie, I’m not sure what you’ll do. Implode? ;)

51. Scott Gammans - March 1, 2009

35, I think that’s more of a allusion to the notion that warp technology somehow warps the space around the Enterprise, shortening the distance she needs to travel so that it only SEEMS that she’s traveling at superluminal velocities.

But I heart Don Hertzfeldt’s work (if it’s possible to love something so deliciously twisted), so kudos on the shout-out! 8)

52. Alex Rosenzweig - March 1, 2009

#37 – “I suspect that this will all be explained away because of the disruption of the timeline.”

Well, that is an easy excuse, and it’s one that doesn’t intrinsically violate anything, because, as we’ve noted before, a multiverse is canonical in Trek. But when you boil down all the scientific-sounding excuse making, it still boils down to, “We wanted to just do it our way without regard to what had previously been built, and this is an excuse to do that.”

Now, to be clear, I have not yet seen the film, and I don’t know that it won’t be resolved, in whole or in part, so what comes out of this film is a world essentially comparable to the one that went in. I’m perfectly comfortable with saying that I’m speaking to my fears, because of all the things that could be done with a film like this, the only line-in-the-sand I have ever had is “Don’t throw out the continuity of four decades, 6 TV series (counting TAS as separate), and 10 feature films.” And all the back-and-forth still leaves me worried that they’ve done just that. that’s why I asked the question a few posts back. It’s a yes-or-no question, not requiring any plot revelations or details. Either the rest of Star Trek is still relevant when the movie’s done to the progression of future storytelling as Messrs. Abrams, Orci, Kurtzman et al. see it, or it’s not.

#24 – “I think its wishful thinking to think that isnt what they’re doing unfortunately. If you change a persons life experiences, are they truly the same person? This was ironically a question Star Trek asked quite a few times. (From the oft hated Trek V “I don’t want my pain taken away, I need my pain!” as an example).”

In general, I agree, though I think part of what this film also rests on is the idea that certain basics of a personality are so powerful and consistent that they’ll still come through, even if circumstances change, e.g., Spock as a man of integrity in both the Prime and Mirror universes.

“I mean really, I think my analogy pretty much fits. Would you say the crew of the Enterprise D in the alternate timeline was inherently a different,darker, more militaristic. Sure they were still in many ways the same people, but the entire thing was very much a different take all together. You cant have “Different take” and “The same” it doesnt work that way.”

Right, but it’s a “degree of difference” thing. The War Universe in “Yesterday’s Enterprise” was a very different place than the Prime Universe, throughout the lifetimes of those characters. Is the same true of whatever this new film creates? that remains to be seen, and of course will address the believability of the premise I was articulating just before.

” “But is that the case? They’ve said at various times that the intent is that they *are* supposed to be the essentially the same people. So, somewhere, we may not be getting a truthful (or at least complete) picture, but it’s hard to say where.”

Sure, but there are already a great many signs that many of the people that would have been crucial to this point of Kirk and Spocks’ development are being shifted around or negated completely.”

Perhaps, but one thing I’m cautious about is that we know so little about this film’s story flow that I wouldn’t assume that those others are being negated. We may have to wait ’til May to find out that part. ;)

“There is simply no way they can cover what we know about Kirk and Spock from the original series within the amount of time they have to work with.”

Well, they could have, but they clearly chose not to.

“Pike’s command is going to be different.”

Yes, that much is certain, in part because they’ve clearly abandoned the idea that the Enterprise was a ship with established history over 15 years before the events of TOS. But *how* different really does depend on when the events of the film occur.

“Kirk is likely not going to go off and command the farrugat.”

Well, he never commanded the Farragut. He was a lieutenant on the Farragut. The question is, how much time elapses from the events of the film to the point where Kirk succeeds Pike as permanent CO of the Enterprise. The implication of some answers given on this site is that some time will pass (which would be good, because the idea that Kirk goes from a rebellious cadet straight to a full ship’s captain in one fell swoop is just crazy ;) ), but how things will all fit together remains to be seen.

“Thats simple screen writing 101, you cant have a coming of age story, and an origins story, and then break it all apart at the end… Doesn’t work like that.”

Actually, given Mr. Abrams’s penchant for non-linear storytelling, it’d be perfectly possible for us to have a whole chain of events that mark seminal events in these characters’ lives, separate them for a while, and then have a final sequence where they all come together at the end and head off into the deep. The key is that the effects of the story being told still resonate, even if the characters have separated for a while, and I think those effects will.

” “I doubt it’ll work, if that was the goal. The hardcore folks like that would just criticize the ploy as well as any differences, instead of just criticizing the differences. It’s a lose-lose with those folks.”

Yeah, thats basically why I think it would have been better for them to “just drop it.” ”

That’s what I mean, though. Just dropping it wouldn’t help them, either, ’cause the folks for whom continuity is important would still be angry. The only difference–speaking as one of those folks–would have been we could have been spared a couple of years of double-talk about how the movie was going to respect and embrace the Star Trek world when it really isn’t. (Again, I caveat here that I don’t know the resolution won’t resolve matters; it might, but I’m playing worst case at the moment.) For me, I could have known from the beginning not to care about this film if they had done that. As it is, they have kept me on board for a long time because I thought they’d be taking continuity seriously. But, come May 8, I’ll know whether I’ll consider this film an affirmation or a betrayal.

” “I think they should get away from reboots of any kind as quickly and completely as possible. Ideally, if they want to plan ahead for TV, what they should consider is having the Enterprise crew work with another ship/station and crew during a film, and then, if audience response is good, spin *those folks* off to a TV show, and leave Kirk and co. for films”

That is certainly not a bad idea, it’s a cost effecient one, thats for sure.”

It’s also not exactly an original idea. ;) Other franchises have done it to good effect.

” “I found JMS’s pitch interesting, but not as a TOS reboot. He and Zabel lost me about at the point where they started trying to come up with external justifications for an exploration mission, as if the exploration weren’t justification enough. {snip}”

Yeah. I just found the strength of his producing a show to be so appealing after the narrative success that Babylon 5 was, and his genuine love of the original Star Trek.”

Oh, no doubt. I was very excited about a JMS Trek pitch until I learned that it was yet another reboot idea, whereupon it lost my support.

(My bias is probably pretty clear by now… I %$$#@-ing hate reboots. ;) Ironically, Mr. Abrams said it best, in an interview in which he claimed that Trek was not a complete re-imagining: “I figure if you re-imagine something you should just imagine something else.” )

“That is not to say it would be “perfect” but I think it deserved more of a chance than it got.”

On a different ship, with a different crew, I would love to see that story played out. But not as some sort of rethinking of what the Enterprise was doing. And, BTW, if JMS’s premise intrigued you, do check out the Vanguard novels, if you haven’t already. They’re outstanding.

53. Krik Semaj - March 1, 2009

The above commentary (#52) could have been condensed into 1 sentence – ” I don’t think I’m going to like it” would have been fine.
And Trek fans wonder why the general public thinks we are a bunch of goofy geeks.
It’s just a movie. Lighten up. Buy your ticket, some popcorn, and give it a shot. Then afterward you can ramble on about nothing.

54. Rick Moyer - March 1, 2009

Thank you Anthony, that was awesome.

55. Kirk1701 - March 1, 2009

Hey, #53, I’m convinced #52 talks exactly like Family Guy’s Neil Goldman.

56. Lee - March 1, 2009

**Message not directed at anyone in particular**
Im a Star Trek fan, as in ‘The Original Series’. Regardless of how involved Roddenberry was in any of the stuff that came after it, it was all just reimaginings and ‘different takes’ on my beloved TOS.

I love Star Trek, and will go and see this, just as I am going to see Watchmen, Transformers 2 and any number of other movies. If it’s a good movie, then great….if it isnt, then too bad.

This is it, it’s what the powers that be have given us. If you dont like the direction Star Trek is now going, there is plenty of that which came before, to keep you entertained.

57. Alex Rosenzweig - March 1, 2009

#53 – “The above commentary (#52) could have been condensed into 1 sentence – ” I don’t think I’m going to like it” would have been fine.”

But it both wouldn’t have responded properly to the previous posters, and would have been not only incomplete, but false. I don’t know whether I’m going to like it. I know what worries me about it, which is different.

You’re welcome to skip over it if you find the reply unimportant. :)

58. Montreal Paul - March 1, 2009

56. Lee

Well said Lee.

59. EFFeX - March 1, 2009

The movie is right around the corner, everyone. Everyday it becomes more “real”. I can’t wait!

60. captain_neill - March 1, 2009

he is finally showing the fans the respect.

I feel more confident about him now. I hope he delivers on his promise that the hard core fans will like this film.

I really want to like this film, I really do

Open mind! Open Mind!

61. Andy Patterson - March 1, 2009

I’m all pumped for the movie.

Having said that….I still say….(I know…inviting much criticism here) ….I don’t think it would be bad to pay a little homage to how Shatner would have said a line. I think over the years it’s been misconstrued or distorted what his take on acting or delivering a line is. It’s almost become a dirty thing to talk about Shatner’s delivery. I don’t subscribe to that thought process. in the trailer that was shown at Wondercon when Pine responds to the line “we don’t have a captain”…..and he says “yeah we do”. Shatner’s Kirk would have said “yes, we do”. I know…wasn’t there….didn’t see it…..but THAT would have send chills for me. A small thing I know. But it’s all in the details. The small things that matter. Quinto kept referring to Nimoy on set…watched the old show in his trailer. Would have hurt for Pine to try to get a little into the already established role a little instead of just “bringing his own thing to it”. . I’m just saying.

Again,…we’ll see when it comes out. For now I still stick by what I’ve said on the subject for months.

Also…alright sister Shelly

62. Capt Mike of the Terran Empire - March 1, 2009

Except for Tmp i have seen every Trek Movie on Opening Night. I will see this one as well but at the Midnight showing here in Austin. I am so ready for Trek to come out and I for one think that J.J and the Court have done a great job in promoting it. To the naysayers out there who do not like this Movie and of corse you have not even seen it. If it was not for J.J we would not even have trek anymore and if this Movie fails it will be because of you the naysayers. Then it will be a very long time before trek comes back in any form at the theater or T.V.

63. C.S. Lewis - March 1, 2009

Welcome from the land of the living. This has got to be one helluva statement about Star Trek fans but I just went through open heart surgery and one of the first things I did is read TrekMovie.com. So take that, fanboyz!

Anthony, boborci made a personal refund guarantee if the movie requires me to exit before the screening has finished. Obviously, he is a gentleman and I take him at his word – so I will see it, with my family, at the King of Prussia Imax. In fac, the timing out to be about right so that I will be able to laugh and grimace without feeling the equivalent of a karate punch to my sternum!

Sincerely grateful for my Maker and his servants at Penn Presbyterian Hospital,
C.S. Lewis

7. Anthony Pascale – February 28, 2009

I went to see every single trek film since the 80s on the big screen, even V. I cannot comprehend why any Trek fan wouldnt, film tickets are not that much money. We can debate them later, but it is what we do. I knew some of them were going to be dissapointments, but I went because it was Trek and there is always something good in all Trek films.

64. Capt Mike of the Terran Empire - March 1, 2009

#63. We wish you a speedy recovery and May you Live Long and Prosper.

65. Nelson - March 1, 2009

Mend quickly CS Lewis!

Wow, I live 20 minutes away from the Moscone Center, I should have gone to WonderCon!

Great reporting from WonderCon!

I’ve been curious to ask Bob Orci a few questions. If Bob reads this, I’d be curious how he feels, being the long time fan like most of us here who knows everything about Trek, how if felt to write this script. I have not read the reports of the 4 scenes previewed during JJ’s tour of Europe to avoid spoilers. So I know very little about the plot and details. But I have a sense that the film changes a lot of stuff that we know. And there’s a good reason for it in the script. Did Bob have any odd feelings about altering how Kirk first meet’s Pike for example. Things like that.

66. Montreal Paul - March 1, 2009

63. C.S. Lewis

I am glad all went well with the surgery. Hope you have a speedy recovery now.

67. Anthony Pascale - March 1, 2009

mr. lewis

i am honored tm is your first stop, but a little scared too. hope all goes well with recovery.

68. Mr. AtoZ - March 1, 2009

“Oh this movie isn’t for the fans, I’m not going to see it.”
Bitch, moan, wine.
This is why Star Trek needs a jump start, I’ve been a fan since the beginning and it’s been to long in coming. Star Trek has somewhat become a joke in the Sci/Fi world. With BSG and Stargate (Which has also become an awful show) This maybe what Star Trek needs, I just hope some of you can put aside your moaning to support this movie.

69. SPOCKBOY - March 1, 2009

#63
Glad to hear you made it.
Hope you fell better soon.

: )

70. Green-Blooded-Bastard - March 1, 2009

@7. Anthony Pascale

I can appreciate that level of dedication, Anthony. I used to feel that way about Star Wars. However, when I was younger movie tickets were $3.00 and I got a good movie. I’m 40 now.

Today, tickets are $10 and I still get a good movie. Nothing has changed. My movie-going experience has not been elevated to reflect the inflated price of the piece of paper that gets me inside, including the quality of entertainment value I feel after seeing the film. I’m not talking about the quality of the film itself (acting, special effect improvements, etc.), I mean the value I felt I got for what I paid for the ticket. It just isn’t there anymore.

Some things give me no choice, like gasoline. Cost more, same crap since I started driving when Gas was what, .85 cents a gallon?

A comparison;
I am also a musician. Since the proliferation of FTP sites and Napster and their like, I have become a downloader of music over the years instead of a buyer. We can save the “morality” debate for another time, however, the point to be made is, the music companies have caught up with the consumer, IE; you can’t beat the downloading community, only give them something they wouldn’t mind buying, and as a result, the entire industry has changed. Now you can buy music for less than a dollar on the internet (which I do from time to time). I no longer buy a whole record just to get 2 good songs. I haven’t in years. Why should I pay for a movie only to walk out disappointed? There’s nothing like walking out of a movie feeling like you paid for nothing.

See what I’m saying?

I will download Star Trek most likely in DVD quality three or four days after it’s released, and if I like it, THEN I will pay to see it in a theater, IMAX if possible. I’ve learned my lesson. I no longer pay for something I don’t like. I don’t arbitrarily see anything in a movie theater anymore simply because it’s labeled something I’m familiar with, like Star Wars Episode I Attack Of The Ripoff. The one thing Star Trek has going for it (aside form the previews I’ve seen) is Orci coming here and spending time with us. It speaks volumes, something Lucas would never do, as though he’s not a fan of his own work.

Granted, I’ve never felt ripped off by a Star Trek movie, however the last one I saw in a theater was a long time ago and it was just okay. I’ve grown wiser since then.

I do the same with PC games. I download it and play a bit. If it’s worth supporting, I go buy it, as I would want them to make more. I know I’m going to get a lot of crap for this post (and that’s cool, I consider the TM site kind of family) but this works for me. I pay when I feel it’s worth paying for. I save a lot of money and time, both of which are valuable to me, time more so.

71. Devon Richards - March 1, 2009

Anthony,
I’ve said this on the IMDB boards, and I’ll say it hear –
In regards to your thoughts about ardent fans, and those choosing not to see the movie as some kind of super-fan protest of perceived canon violations etc.
Let’s face it – a movie costs 12 bucks to see. After 3 years warning, you still don’t have 12 bucks saved up to blow on a movie. That doesn’t make you a fan – that makes you a total loser.
I hate to be that frank about it, but it’s true – Any Trek fan who doesn’t go see the new movie for some lame-ass invented excuse of inner-world fantasy reasoning is just that – a huge loser.

72. C.S. Lewis - March 1, 2009

Gentlemen, please accept my sincerest thanks and gratitude for your well wishes. If at the opening, you see an otherwise handsome devil with something of a scar running down his breastplate, please stop and introduce yourself to me!

Sincerely,
C.S. Lewis

64. Capt Mike of the Terran Empire – March 1, 2009
65. Nelson – March 1, 2009
66. Montreal Paul – March 1, 2009
67. Anthony Pascale – March 1, 2009
69. SPOCKBOY – March 1, 2009

73. Green-Blooded-Bastard - March 1, 2009

71. Devon Richards

Wow, nice. So, the ONLY reason a Trek fan could possibly have for not going and seeing a Trek movie in a theater is simply because he/she is a loser, and it’s all due to their inner-world fantasies.

Wow…

74. VoR - March 1, 2009

#73…

Yeah, that sounds about right.

75. Montreal Paul - March 1, 2009

70. Green-Blooded-Bastard

Where I can appreciate your concern about dropping 10 bucks on a so-so movie. I have basically classified movies into two categories… Need to see on the big screen first and doesn’t need to be seen on the big screen.

Unless it’s a movie date or taking my kid to see something. All cop movies or comedies or rom-com or non epic dramas.. I can wait and see them on DVD. Movies that need to be experienced on the big screen.. Star trek, Batman, Spider-man, Lord of the Rings, etc… I will go see. Just too many movies coming out every week.

I remember back in 82 when Trek 2 came out.. it would be in the theatre for months!! I remember the newspaper ads “6th month!” … not many movies came out every week back then. But now.. after a month, they are gone.. 6 months later, they are on DVD.

Okay… what was my point? lol. Oh yeah. I think Trek IS a movie that is a must see on the big screen.. no matter how big your TV is.

76. Brad - March 1, 2009

The synopsis of the film is going to go like this.

Nero gets mad because his family is killed with the destruction of Vulcan in the future. He goes back in time with Spock and then goes mad, while spock tries to protect the timeline and save Vulcan. Nero’s return to the past effects the timeline which is why the Enterprise now looks different. Kirk and Enterprise stop Nero and are destroyed in the process. Timeline snaps back into original place, and we all see the original TOS Enterprise leaving spacedock exactly how it looks from the 1960’s TV show, and fans rejoice and cream themselves with happiness and all their faith in Star Trek is renewed.

The End.

77. tHE tRUTH iS oUT tHERE - March 1, 2009

Still amazed that a show about diversity and possibility and action and intellect and hope and wonder has a fan base that is so opposed to change, or a new vision, and are so cynical….I can’t wait for opening night and all my ST friends from years past and friends who were not into ST are talking about this film and eagerly awaiting it’s release….

78. greenjeans - March 1, 2009

RE: #52

[My bias is probably pretty clear by now… I %$$#@-ing hate reboots. ;) Ironically, Mr. Abrams said it best, in an interview in which he claimed that Trek was not a complete re-imagining: “I figure if you re-imagine something you should just imagine something else.”]

Given that Abrams was more than happy to “re-imagine” Superman so that Krypton never exploded, Lex Luthor was Kryptonian, Superman was recast as a royal Neo in a cape complete with fake-out death scene, everyone knew kung-fu, and Superman’s costume was a living thing in a can, he’s the last person to talk about how you shouldn’t “re-imagine” things. Especially since he still sees nothing wrong with what he did and learned nothing from the experience.

I honestly think that if ANYTHING of the STAR TREK we know survived into the movie — by this I mean the story and characters, not the variable stuff like designs and FX (truthfully, the Enterprise and its interiors are the least of my worries) — it will be in spite of Abrams, not because of him. It’s going to have to be the writers and producers who keep the franchise’s integrity intact, because Abrams on his own cannot and should not be trusted. Had this movie been in the hands of a worthy filmmaker with a track record of respecting iconic properties — say, Peter Jackson — I’d have no worries about it. In fact, I’d probably be there opening day. Abrams had a previous opportunity to work on an iconic property and went out of his way to screw it up. As such, if I do see this at all, it’ll be on cable. No offense to the cast and crew; I wish them well. I just wish they’d had a proper director instead of someone with a toxic disrespect for anything that came before.

79. Charlie - March 1, 2009

I agree! It is a Star Trek movie and good or bad, must be seen in a theater and given the full support of the fan base. I have been a fan of the entire franchise and have found the good in them all. In my opinion, all action movies are a must see on the big screen.

Star Trek with JJ at the helm is not going to be a bust. He has shown he can do exceptional work and from what I have seen of the trailor, is going to add new life to the Star Trek name which I am all for.

I can’t wait for May and I will take my three daughters…force my three daughters and my wife to go with me to see it in the theater and they will like it. I mean…they will enjoy it because they know how much I enjoy it.

So, let’s not be over critical because as you know…it’s only entertainment and I am ready to be beamed up!!!!

80. Major Inconveniece - March 1, 2009

Pros vs cons.

Pros: Michael Giacchino; Leonard Nimoy; ILM; JJs treatment of MI3; Chris Pine seems like the real deal and looks Kirky; Quinto looks quite spocky; Urban seems to respect McCoy; trailers show epic scale.

Cons: Transformers dialog was adolescent at times; trailers were a bit frenetic; Simon Pegg seems a little bit miscast.

All in all, unless the dialog really is on the level of the robots on the lawn scene in transformers – I think it will be great.

81. NaradaAlpha - March 1, 2009

amazing! also anthony will there be a soundtrack album other than the score accompanying the film? like a ‘songs inspired by the motion picture’-type soundtrack?

NOTE– IF YOU DON’T KNOW, then please ask whoever would know…if they say ‘no’ then please suggest it it WILL raise the profile of the film further:)

82. AJ - March 1, 2009

80:

You can’t really use “Transformers” dialogue as a “con,” can you?

The dialogue we have heard from the characters in the trailers sounds just fine, and the scribes are extremely well-versed in Trek, I don’t expect that our young heroes will speak like 21st century teenagers. Dude.

What I find funny, actually is Kirk’s line in the Superbowl ad, : “Why are you talkin’ to me, man?” My 8-yr old daughter asked, “why did he say ‘man?’ ”

Sounds like Cheech and Chong.

83. ucdom - March 1, 2009

Any word at all on the score? Or the release of the film score album?

84. BonesCLCW - March 1, 2009

JJ is cute!

85. HunterRex - March 1, 2009

I don’t give a damn if this movie is a reboot, reimagining, start-over, does or does not fit into continuity, canon or non-canon, in or out of universes, conjecture or apocryphal. Being a huge Star Trek fan for over 20 years, I just want to see a great Star Trek movie.

Why wouldn’t you want to see something new or different? As long as it’s a good movie, enjoy it. If it turns out to be a bad movie, you can ignore the movie all together and still enjoy the Star Trek that has been available before it. If it’s a great movie, it will give us an appreciation of a new experience in the Star Trek universe that we love.

Thank God the fans don’t run the franchise. Star Trek would be stuck in a rut.

86. Scott Xavier - March 1, 2009

Im glad Chris wore his best flannel to the event.

87. S. John Ross - March 1, 2009

#27 sez: “How a fan or an individual in general can make some of the sweeping statements about the quality or lack thereof in this film without having seen anything more than a two minute trailer or some random still images is probably the thing that enrages people the most.”

Exactly so. We have nutjobs claiming they already hate the film AND nutjobs claiming they already love it. I just wish both groups of nutjobs would be called out for it, instead of just the naysayers.

Some of us have functioning human brains instead of simple Fanboy Chips in our heads ;)

88. krikzil (aka Lixy) - March 1, 2009

Nice report. Kinda wish I’d gone now. I do like the respect Pine shows “Mr. Shatner”. (He’s not one of those annoying cocky young actors. A plus.)

CS Lewis — You really deserve a Trek Merit Badge. But hell, I’d been on the internet in the hospital bed so I can totally relate! Glad it went well. I enjoy your posts.

89. Xai - March 1, 2009

#3 McCoy

You must just be a barrel of laughs at parties.

90. Star Trek Fan - March 1, 2009

Hey gang. Latinoreview.com just posted a possible cameo appearance a next generation cast in Star Trek. This is a direct continuation from the comic books.

Hmmm. Pretty neat idea.

I hope its Data. The comics says he now occupies the center seat of NCC-1701-E.

91. RaymondJ - March 1, 2009

Some of the previous posters are complaining about the cost, and the one gentleman said he didn’t want to risk paying $10.00 for a film when he’d only paid $3.00 many years ago.

May I suggest something? A large percentage of theaters have matinee pricing. Here in Tucson, some theaters have a “first showing of the day” special, where the first showing of any movie that day only costs $5.00. That price also includes new releases.

To the gentleman who plans to download it first, then go to the theater if he likes it- really, is ten bucks or less to support Star Trek that costly to you? Even if you end up liking the movie and going to see it theatrically, all the surprise, suspense and effects will have been spolied for you.

Another poster had it right- certain movies cry out to be seen on a huge screen, such as Spiderman, Dark Knight, other event movies. Seeing Trek in a packed theater with the fans, most of whom will fill the theaters May 9th, provides an added element: their laughs, cries, and applause, as well as chuckles from inside jokes that only a Trek fan might get.

Finally, what if- just WHAT IF- there happens to be a surprise ending? An ending so abrupt and spectacular that makes the ending of “The Sixth Sense” seem lame? If you wait to see this third or fourth day or on DVD, you’ll already have had you surprised ruined.

I HAVE seen every Trek film in the theater on opneing day since TMP in December 1979. And with the exception of “Nemesis” have seem them all multiple times.

One final comment to the Abrams hating because of his Superman script- just for your info, Abrams did NOT write this story, two intense and protective fans of TOS did. He is the producer and director, NOT the writer.

‘Nuff said….

92. Stanky McFibberich - March 1, 2009

re: 79
“I agree! It is a Star Trek movie and good or bad, must be seen in a theater and given the full support of the fan base. I have been a fan of the entire franchise and have found the good in them all. In my opinion, all action movies are a must see on the big screen.”

Why support something just because it says “Star Trek” on it?

I suggest people wait for the reviews before spending a cent on it.

93. Toothless Grishnar Cat - March 1, 2009

90, fascinating!

Having Data would be a nice touch, but I believe Brent Spiner is on record saying he’s too old to play Data anymore- a character who does not show physical signs of age. Of course, they could always CGI de-age him, a la X-Men 3…

94. Chroma - March 1, 2009

@92: I suggest people make up their own minds instead.

95. Xai - March 1, 2009

92. Stanky McFibberich – March 1, 2009

“Why support something just because it says “Star Trek” on it?
I suggest people wait for the reviews before spending a cent on it.”

Why assume something is bad just because you don’t yet have all the information? I’ll at least grant it could flop… you’ve already decided it will.

96. Alex Rosenzweig - March 1, 2009

#63 – “This has got to be one helluva statement about Star Trek fans but I just went through open heart surgery and one of the first things I did is read TrekMovie.com.”

Wow… Here’s to a quick and complete recovery!

#85 – ‘Why wouldn’t you want to see something new or different?”

What I find confusing is the idea that not wanting prior continuity thrown out is the equivalent of not wanting to see anything new or different. I fear I must be missing some steps in the logic someplace, because I don’t see how the one would follow from the other. I think seeing new and different things is great fun, but that throwing out what’s already been established is not, and I see no contradiction in that thinking. What am I not understanding?

97. mr. mugato - March 1, 2009

This is “their version” of Trek.

98. Stanky McFibberich - March 1, 2009

re:95 Xai
Granted, I have been hard on this since the beginning, however the more information that comes out, the more it seems that I am right in thinking that this is not something I will enjoy.
It’s possible I could end up completely wrong and just love the thing to death.
What bothers me is the completely non-critical stance in which people say, in effect, “we must all spend money to see this movie so they will make more movies like it.”
I don’t see why we would want to do that if we do not yet know if this “vision” of “Star Trek” is worthy of a continuation.
We read over and over in these forums about how this is all marketing…trying to give it a broad appeal. They have done nothing to market this movie to me yet.
Maybe that is on its way.

99. McCoy - March 1, 2009

I went to the “reboots” of Speed Racer, Planet of the Apes, Wild Wild West, Lost in Space and Superman Returns, hoping for romp back in time with the some old friends, old music or at least a good time with some good effects and a good story.

I went to all the Star Wars prequels hoping for the same.

Yet each of those times I came away very disappointed. Attempts were made to freshen things up. Some elements were kept and some were modified. Some suffered from editing while others made changes for the sake of change. The mix never worked.

There’s no way I was going to see new version of The Day the Earth Stood Still.

If it’s difficult for some of to understand why a Star Trek fan would stay away, please consider the above. When you start messing with things people have expectations for, you run a much higher risk of disappointment. If a filmmaker presents you with images or clips prior to the release so you can see what you are getting, you are allowed to make a choice. From what I see, I choose to stay away from Star Trek for at least a couple of weeks after release.

Many of the people that are confused as to why someone would have negative feelings about this film are same ones who exclaim that JJ’s just saying things because he has to, for marketing reasons. Well, surely then, since it’s all about sales and marketing, they should also be able to understand that by going to the film you are giving them what they want—your money. They want to have a situation where you have to pay to see if you like it or not. I prefer it the other way around especially when it comes to reboots.

100. AJ - March 1, 2009

99:

McCoy: There has not been one minute of filmed Trek, or word of .written Trek, that wasn’t made with the idea of parting consumers with their cash. Trek XI is no different.

101. Stanky McFibberich - March 1, 2009

re: 99 McCoy
You are most wise, sir.

102. tauntme - March 1, 2009

Thankfully STXI will be JUST A MOVIE. I have 2 hrs and $8 to spare to watch a movie.

I spent $8 to watch X-men 3 and Street Fighter: The Legend of Chun Li. I thought both of those movie sucked, but it only took $16 and 4 hours.

STXI will again be just a movie i’ll spend $8 and 2 hours on.

I’m confused why some people think Abrams want to steal your money or rape your childhood.

103. Stanky McFibberich - March 1, 2009

re: 100. AJ – March 1, 2009
“99: McCoy: There has not been one minute of filmed Trek, or word of .written Trek, that wasn’t made with the idea of parting consumers with their cash. Trek XI is no different.”

That is true, of course. The problem here is they have not yet come up with a way to make me want to part with any of it for this particular installment. Until they do, I see no reason to give my support in any way.

104. AJ - March 1, 2009

103:

Stanky: Well, here’s to hoping the reviews are good, and that it brings out those who are on the fence. Of course, another way to express your lack of support, is to see it, even if it’s on an airplane, and then criticize it from a position of authority.

105. Lurker - March 1, 2009

Bob O. may not like this, but…

Has anybody seen this? Latino Review is reporting that during the IDW comic-Countdown discussion panel, one of the contributors may have slipped and revealed something about some of THE NEXT GENERATION CAST BEING IN THE NEW MOVIE:

http://www.latinoreview.com/news/breaking-news-is-the-next-generation-in-the-new-star-trek-movie-6295

They claim they will have a video of the panel up soon…

106. Liz - March 1, 2009

102. tauntme – March 1, 2009 … Very well said. It is just a movie.

Cheap entertainment for you, your family and friends. What could be better? Go to the movie then go out for pizza and a beer with a bunch of friends. In these though economic times, who can go to Disneyworld or overseas? Go to outer space, instead.

107. Xai - March 1, 2009

#98 Stanky

I am not here to tell you to go, go, go… because I know better. But, by the same token, you can’t give this advice either.

“I suggest people wait for the reviews before spending a cent on it.”

108. Xai - March 1, 2009

105. Lurker – March 1, 2009
re: THE NEXT GENERATION CAST BEING IN THE NEW MOVIE:

I just read that and I think the author misunderstood. Read the article carefully. Someone’s talking about the comic and he’s thinking movie.

109. The Governator - March 1, 2009

105. Lurker

Yeah, umm.. As excited as I am to read that, I am more feeling sorry for the guy who may have spilled the beans. Wow, is he going to get it. Although, it may just be a bunch of BS, which it probably is, so I’m not going to get too worked up and hyped about it. If, however, that guy actually said that, then that is pretty definite confirmation that some of them are actually in the movie. If that is the case, I have already decided this is going to be the biggest Star Trek movie of all time!!! END OF STORY.

110. The Governator - March 1, 2009

105. Lurker

And to continue from my previous post… The more I read that article, the more it seems unlikely.

111. Stanky McFibberich - March 1, 2009

re:107 Xai
There has been plently of “advice” along the lines of “We must all go and support this movie,” dished out around here, so yes, I think I can give that advice, full-well knowing that it will likely be ignored by the majority of readers of this forum.

I am simply suggesting if you are not fanatical about the movie, wait for real word of mouth and some objective reviews. Pretty common-sense approach, I would say.

112. C.S. Lewis - March 1, 2009

Thank you again fellow Trekkers. The repair operation was a 100% success and I’m better than new… but for a little wear and tear. And a great fear of coughing!
Sincerely,
C.S. Lewis

88. krikzil (aka Lixy) – March 1, 2009
96. Alex Rosenzweig – March 1, 2009

113. Spock with a Crowbar - March 1, 2009

@99 McCoy,

You forgot to mention Batman Begins, Battlestar Galactica, TNG— wait… sorry that’s the full half of the glass. Never mind.

114. AJ - March 1, 2009

112:

Get well, C.S. Lollipops will help you not cough. Lots of them, if the doctor allows.

115. AJ - March 1, 2009

105:

That would be sweet, and a real treat if they snuck someone in there from TNG.

116. Capt. of the USS Anduril - March 1, 2009

Whoa whoa whoa….since when are movie tickets 10 bucks a pop??? The most you pay at my movie theater is 5.50, and that’s after 6, before that it’s 3.50. Of course, our theater’s a piece of crap that’s run by a Canadian whack-job, but it’s better than nothing.

117. Robert Bernardo - March 1, 2009

For your viewing pleasure, the entire session of the Star Trek panel at WonderCon 2009 can be seen at

http://blip.tv/files/1829762

A few caveats — about the first 5 minutes are shaky (until J.J. stopped bouncing around the stage) and overexposed (until I got the controls on the camcorder correct). After that, it’s mostly fine. If I were to have use of a tripod, everything would have been better, but I was stuck in the middle of the huge, fully-packed auditorium with no room to move. Also the movie trailer is not recorded, as per J.J’s request.

Otherwise, enjoy!

Thanks to BIOS for posting my video!

118. Alex Rosenzweig - March 1, 2009

#116 – A lot of first-run, evening movie tickets are now $10 in various parts of the US. I live in Central New Jersey, and we pay $10 for a ticket, typically.

119. McCoy - March 1, 2009

113.

Right… there are some decent “reboots.”

I think at this point, Batman is a lot like Bond. Many actors have worn the cape. Loved the TV series, hated all the other films until ‘Begin’s. I understand the desire to bring the cape crusader into a more “real” world. For Batman, it works.

Really, like the new BSG look and feel. They did a great job. Art direction, acting and effects. The plot has gotten a bit thick for me. Not really a fan of episodic TV.

TNG is not a TOS reboot. It moves forward in their timeline. They were able to do whatever they wanted. Not a fan of the Enterprise D design, but it didn’t matter. Many great episodes.

If you say you are making a movie about TOS, it has to look like TOS. Expensive version that is. No one is asking for cardboard.

120. Xai - March 1, 2009

C.S. Lewis

take of the ticker

121. Xai - March 1, 2009

dam typonians

take care OF the ticker

122. Xai - March 1, 2009

TOS in an alternate universe, an offshoot of the original.
In this one, Kirk has the good sense to stay off bridges that he doesn’t belong on.

123. Liz - March 1, 2009

Almost every movie is a reboot. The original “boot ” was a book. Gone With The Wind, To Kill a Mockingbird, Harry Potter, The Reader. All books. For those who nit pick about reboots….

I just hope it’s a good movie.

124. Mandy - March 1, 2009

Zach Quinto is so handsome. Really, amazing. Pine is very good looking too.

125. Cygnus-X1 - March 1, 2009

7. Anthony Pascale – February 28, 2009

—-I went to see every single trek film since the 80s on the big screen, even V. I cannot comprehend why any Trek fan wouldnt, film tickets are not that much money. We can debate them later, but it is what we do. I knew some of them were going to be dissapointments, but I went because it was Trek and there is always something good in all Trek films.—-

What did you find good in STV?

126. Devon - March 1, 2009

^^ I know that is directed at Anthony, but if I may offer my own opinion about ST5, I actually thought it had a good story and REALLY good character development about it. However, the overall execution could have been bigger in cinema scope and the SFX were piss poor (which I understand the budget limitations.) That is just me though.

127. Iowagirl - March 1, 2009

#61
– It’s almost become a dirty thing to talk about Shatner’s delivery. I don’t subscribe to that thought process. –

Me neither – you’re absolutely right with what you’re saying, bro. The way someone speaks, is part of his/her personality. And I’ve always liked Shatner’s delivery, which became Kirk’s – Kirk without that specialty is unthinkable for me, and I do.no.want.to.LISTENTOIT. Not saying Pine should parody it, but referencing it instead of avoiding it would bode well. And yes, I admit being a stuck-in-the-mud, biased freak. :)

The only think I liked was when Pine said that he couldn’t recreate for the life of him that twinkle in Shatner’s eyes, because that’s true. He couldn’t. That’s probably why he wouldn’t.

#126
On STV, we agree. :)

128. greenjeans - March 2, 2009

[One final comment to the Abrams hating because of his Superman script- just for your info, Abrams did NOT write this story, two intense and protective fans of TOS did. He is the producer and director, NOT the writer.]

And, as director, he can enforce changes to the script as he sees fit. No matter how much the writers may love the material, if the director doesn’t care about the material and wants it changed to suit his whims, he has the power to do it. Tim Burton does this frequently, for example.

And again, I’m not concerned about the set and Enterprise design. That stuff’s variable, anyway. I’m not one of theose people who NEEDS to have everything look like 1966 all over again, I’m not even concerned about the nitpicky continuity stuff. There’s a lot of TREK lore that should be junked. It’s the essence of STAR TREK and its characters that I’m worried about, and Abrams’ track record and “I was more into STAR WARS” comments do not give me any faith that he cares about preserving that essence. Again, I’d rather have a filmmaker with a more reassuring track record rebooting Kirk, Spock, and company. As it stands, Abrams may be delivering pretty visuals, but he hasn’t earned my trust.

129. Iowagirl - March 2, 2009

#127
I meant to say: The only thing I liked…

130. » Blog Archive » Wondercon Coverage - March 2, 2009

[...] Most of the media sites are only reporting on the Star Trek Panel at Wondercon as that seems to be what they are most excited about. The best report we found was by Trekmovie [...]

131. McCoy - March 2, 2009

128 Greenjeans….

Not counter-pointing you, because I have my own little dislikes about the film, but I wonder what’s left for you to worry about if you are OK with the sets, big E, and other continuity stuff being junked.

I think for many, the underlying “essence” and goose-bumps will be Nimoy, Majel’s voice or perhaps the music. They have said the “core” or “essence” is still there so it’s sounds like you are good to go.

Right? :o)

132. bill murray - March 2, 2009

i will see the midnight showing may 7th.

if i love it then i will see again on may 8th to bask in the glory.

if i hate it i will still likely see it again to figure exactly why it didn’t work.

between the hype and the geeks paramount will make their money back.

133. bill murray - March 2, 2009

remember how much the phantom menace was derided. nevertheless, it was still the highest grossing film of 1999.

134. Montreal Paul - March 2, 2009

116. Capt. of the USS Anduril
“Whoa whoa whoa….since when are movie tickets 10 bucks a pop??? The most you pay at my movie theater is 5.50, and that’s after 6, before that it’s 3.50. Of course, our theater’s a piece of crap that’s run by a Canadian whack-job, but it’s better than nothing.”

5.50??? Where do you live? Even the outskirts of Montreal, where I live, the tickets go for 9.50 a pop. And on cheap Tuesdays, it’s 7.50

135. Trek Nerd Central - March 2, 2009

63. God bless and rest up, Clive Staples!

This is a great little bit from Anthony’s piece:

` . . . The director noted that his favorite movies are those that “combine characters that are complex, that are broken in some way, but you believe them and they are real and they make you feel…and then they are thrown into the craziest s–t of all time.” . . ‘

If that isn’t a perfect capsule description of the characters on “Lost” — and an equally perfect description of the Big Three on TOS — then I’ll eat my frozen donkey wheel. I guess that’s the reason why they’re my two favorite TV shows of all flippin’ time.

136. Jamie - March 2, 2009

Shelly Teifeld is totally hot!

How come I never see girls who look like that in real life?

137. McCoy - March 2, 2009

133.

Right. The “stand in line” theory. I used to work at a hot dog place in the mall, we would go hours without any customers…but as soon as one came to break the drought, suddenly a bunch would come. This happened quite often. People like to stand in line. They like to do what everyone else is doing—without knowing or caring if something is good or bad. This is what makes hype so valuable for opening weekend on films.

It’s the word of mouth after the hype that drives in the really high numbers.

138. Christine - March 2, 2009

“..Abrams admitted that he and Chris Pine would do ‘beat boxing’ between takes, and he and Chris demonstrated their skills with Pine riffing “Star Trek in da house” …”

I’m going to write my own, get my friends to beat-box, stand up on the lunch table in front of 3-400 students, and do that. I better get writin’… I haven’t written much rap. xDDD (Maybe I’ll get on Youtube!… Or maybe a referral. O.o)

Okay, note to Pine: DON’T WEAR THAT SHIRT. I’m sorry, it’s not all that flattering. Plaid.. No. No. And Quinto? I’m not crazy about HIS outfit either. -siiiiiigh- They’re celebs!! Get some style, guys! Or, uh, pick up a magazine. Talk to their stylists. (Sorry, that was totally bugging me.)

On a more serious note, very cool on the interviews. I loved it. ;3 So jealous that Saldana got to meet Nichelle Nichols!! That must’ve been way cool. And her hair really looked nice. (Plus!)

139. RD - March 2, 2009

THE TEMPORAL PRIME DIRECTIVE

That’s how you really know this is a reboot. If canon applied, Daniels or some other representative of Temporal Investigations would have returned to warn Kirk, NOT Spock. The fact is, given Orci’s explanation, there can be no “Temporal Investigations” as every incursion creates a new universe, while the old one continues on.

Maybe canon got us to this new universe, but going forward, we won’t go back to the characters we know from “our” classic universe. They live in a universe where nothing is the same as it was for Kirk and Co. back in 1966 for us. The fact is, there is NO way to go back to our universe with this story, not to mention how confusing that would be to a brand new audience.

Will the “classic” universe we all know and love continue in some form? Doubtful, at least not officially. Well, I suppose on James Cawley’s website and other fan sites. But once you create a new “origin” story for Kirk & Co., in order to build a franchise, you have to stick to the new reality. Not that it will be bad or unenjoyable to follow, but Paramount can’t ever go back … at least not with these actors. Maybe 40 years from now when another generation of fans waxes nostalgic for the “real” crew of the Enterprise. By then, they can probably just CGI Shatner, Nimoy, Kelley and Doohan.

Would I have been happier if the studio, writers and producers had not lied (or mislead, or had a good marketing strategy or whatever you want to call what they have so clearly been engaged in)? Of course. I think there would have been a lot less grief and ultimately they would not have lost any of the fanbase. Then again, they would not have continued to stir a pot of publicity on a daily basis since the movie was announced.

140. McCoy - March 2, 2009

Yes, the ship, bridge, hallways, phasers, tricorders and communicators suck…but do you guys think there is any way Zoe will go out with me?

141. S. John Ross - March 2, 2009

I still have some serious hopes for this movie; I still think there’s a chance it’ll be good …

But at this point, I’m thinking the main reason to avoid opening weekend is: how can I hear the movie over the sound of bleating?

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