Abrams Talks Trek Backstory + Pine Talks Kirk Arc March 5, 2009
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A pair of new articles at SciFi Wire have comments from Star Trek director JJ Abrams and the new James T. Kirk, Chris Pine. In the excerpts below Abrams talks about how this film showsTrek’s backstory, but you don’t need to know it to see it. And Pine talks about the arc that Kirk takes in the film.
Abrams: see the Trek backstory for the first time
In his comments, Abrams talked about how you don’t need to know Trek to see the movie, but if you do you will be rewarded:
This movie is not made for people who know the backstory…If you know the backstory, you finally get to see scenes you’ve never gotten to see but have been referenced in Star Trek. And not just character moments, but mechanical things that people will be like, ‘Oh, my God, that’s cool!’
He also talked about how this movie shows how the crew came together
This is a movie that doesn’t start over in a way that is playing with what is known [or] in a way that would upset people, I think, fans of the show. And yet it allows us to … deal with the same characters and have the same fundamental relationships. One of the things that for me was always sort of tricky is [the original show] never dealt with how they came together. Why we cared about them as this group. I mean, this is a movie, in a weird way, about these orphans who sort of come together and form this family. And by the end of the movie, I think you love all of them.
More from Abrams at SciFiWire.
See how the gang got together
Pine: Kirk goes from rebel to captain
For his part, Chris Pine talked about the journey we see Kirk take in the film.
What was presented to me was this vision of Kirk in the script as an angry young kid who is dealing with some heavy family s–t and is angry at the world. He’s a rebel without a cause. I think everyone can remember what it’s like to be 15, and he’s a 25-year-old 15-year-old! He has to mold all that energy and that drive and all that passion and obstinance and the spectrum of emotions into the man that Kirk then becomes, which is the captain of the ship.
Kirk starts as a rebel…
Pine goes on to say:
For our purposes and our script, this is the arc of this character, from that kid, that boy-man, presented with a challenge, to the boy becoming the man he becomes towards the end of the movie.
…Kirk ends up, in the chair
More from Pine at SciFiWire.
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can’t wait to see the new trailer!!!!
First!?
New Star Trek trailer last video on the bottom of this page!
Looks sweat!
http://jonn.co.uk/movies/modules/news/article.php?storyid=472
hmm is Pine therefore confirming that Kirk does indeed go from Cadet to Captain in one foul swoop?? thats gunna piss people off…. wait for the barage lol
2. Dan
Holy S**t. I officially am sold. No doubts in my mind whatsoever.
THANKS FOR THE LINK, DAN!!!! GREAT NEW TRAILER!!! AWESOME!!! I’M SCREAMING!!!
One thing I hope Bob Orci has explained to JJ Abrams. The Enterprise means alot more to us modelers than just a means of transportation.
So far we haven’t seen much of the big “E”. I hope there is a similar scene in this movie that there was in TMP when the Enterprise left spacedock.
That would put the “capper” on this movie for me!!
OMG!
ACTION! ACTION ACTION!
EPIC! EPIC! EPIC!
$$$$$$$$$$$
That was one hot trailer. I cant wait to see this movie.
cudos to J.J.
Bob, please tell us Kirk doesn’t leapfrog from cadet on his first cruise to fully fledged captain in charge of a starship with nothing but the battle against Nero under his belt… please…
I personally never wondered, “Gee how did they get together?” I always assumed they were y’know…assigned to the ship by Starfleet sometime during the Enterprises’s lifespan. And if they all get together at the same time and somehow all become senior officers by the end of the flick, that’s going to be weird, and sucky for the existing crew that already put in their time.
“But…but..I’m a Lt. Commander…?” – Lt. Commander Smith when the no-rank Kirk promotes himself to Captain.
re:”One of the things that for me was always sort of tricky is [the original show] never dealt with how they came together. Why we cared about them as this group. I mean, this is a movie, in a weird way, about these orphans who sort of come together and form this family. And by the end of the movie, I think you love all of them.”
I have never had any interest in knowing how they came together, especially in this apparently contrived way. At no time have I ever viewed Kirk as coming from a “rebel without a cause” attitude.
But, then again, this is not really Kirk.
@2 Dan… epic trailer wow.
@2
Dan you are my hero!
I’m confused by my own attempts to reconcile the Orci MWI Gospel with the Abrams Book of Origin Gospel, but I’m pleased. Abrams continues to demonstrate, as he has consistently for the past three (?!) years, that he gets it.
Frack me… that trailer is awesome!!! even my non-trekkie girlfriend loves it!! We’re both completely blown away!!
The only problem I have with May 8th getting here so fast is that I have a 12,000 word dissertation to write for April 20th ekkkkk!!
#2 … Holy ****!
…
Dayum.
I’m rather speechless. Okay. Uh. I’m gonna have to go sit down for a minute after that.
Oh, wait, nevermind…
Thanks for the heads-up Dan. Looks good.
I have to say that the 3rd trailer, the one attached to Watchmen, is indeed the best one. I’m still concerned about the Romulus plot point (see other forum related to the book release) but the film itself looks great. I’m looking forward to May.
This movie is starting to feel like Episode 1 all over again. You people are way too excited for a movie that shows no evidence of thought. The entire crew assigned to same ship at the same time when they’re all at the academy together?! Makes StarFleet look like grade school. Kirk was a good boy so he gets a gold star on his paper. That makes him Captain. I’m not saying this movie will suck, just be more reserved people.
“Respect is earned, not given away.” – Worf, TNG
That new trailer is badass. Real emotion, what I’ve been hoping to see.
#19 I agree, that’s what i’ve been saying too, but…
DAMN!!!
Come on, you can’t tell me that doesnt give you at least a little tingle.
Now…THAT’S how to make a trailer! When Nimoy hits the screen, people are going to come unglued!
my god. thats all i got to say from watching the 3rd trailer. my god.
This is going to be quite the countdown to Star Trek.
May 8th.
I’ll see you all there.
I’m thinking that Bob can fix anything. He’s Bob the Builder, eh? :)
There are many rationales for Kirk having additional “promotability”. We don’t know what he’s been doing from age 16 to age 25. Perhaps he was in Earth military as a ground-pounder. Perhaps he’s been in the Merchant Marines. Perhaps he has other “rowdie” experience (hopefully) in some military service that gives him an advanced grade.
We know that’s the case with McCoy, who as an M.D. is going to come out of the academy with a higher grade that Ensign or Lt.j.g. He’ll be a LCDR, understandably.
If the backstory for Kirk is absent, I’m sure that between Bob and ADF, that if they don’t get some throwaway lines in the movie, perhaps we’ll see it in the sequel. I’d love to get them to have Kirk’s two cadet cruises having been on first the Republic, and then on the Farragut. That would MEND a lot of FENCES, no?
Perhaps it’s in that “other experience” before the Academy also where he met say, Carol Marcus, or Areel Shaw, or Ruth. (Janice Lester, I won’t care if the Nero-adjusted universe deleted her ;))
#19 Don’t rain on our parade, I’m excited because that was one energetic trailer and it gave me goose bumps watching it. your comment is your point of view,
#2,
Wow, just wow. That was awesome. Will May 8th get here any faster?
Finally…….Trek…..is………….BIG TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Im impressed with Nero…
#21
Felt more like a Mountain Dew commercial than Star Trek to me. I’ll be there when it comes out don’t get me wrong. But I’m not feeling as excited as the rest of you (and I saw the trailer at Wondercon in room packed with people).
Extreme Trek! Do the Trek!
“Respect is earned, not given away.” – Worf, TNG
NEW TRAILER ALREADY ONLINE!!!! Not bootlegged
http://jonn.co.uk/movies/modules/news/article.php?storyid=472
Check it out. It’s AWESOME.
Paramount and Abrams are ‘’shooting the Moon” with this one. That should be familiar to anyone who has ever played the card game of Hearts. They’ve collected all the hearts but the Queen of Spades is still out there.
James Tiberius Kirk was never ever a ”rebel without a cause.” Quite the opposite, in fact. What the arc from the original series to the last movie shows us is that Kirk ”loses his religion” when the system fails his idealistic notions–when he grows up and finds out that ”not all is what it seems.”
Kirk followed the ‘’straight and narrow” path–a hero’s journey–much like a William Wallace, and as he soon learned the not so heroic ways of the ”real world” his morality was challenged and he redefined his notions of heroism without sacrificing his morality–in a sense–becoming his own hero rather than someone elses’ definition of it.
If the storytellers of this movie had actually attempted to stretch their storytelling skills and taken a ”real chance”, they would have tried a lot harder to come up with a story worth telling that gave us the characters and motivations brought to us by the creators (writers, producers, actors etc.) of the original concept. Instead they caved and maintained the status quo to accommodate a market model.
True talent finds a way to work within the concept. True storytellers don’t go for the easy way out using old tricks like alternate time-lines and other gimmicks we’ve seen far too many times in efforts to revitalize the marketability of ”Paramount’s Star Wars.”
This is indeed ”not your father’s Star Trek.” This is not Star Trek at all. This is a Dixie Cup painted gold and called the Holy Grail.
Can anyone here say ”Superman Returns”?
19. Oh No, Odo: ‘This movie is starting to feel like Episode 1 all over again. You people are way too excited for a movie that shows no evidence of thought.’
So you’re saying there’s evidence of ‘no thought?’ Please provide it.
‘The entire crew assigned to same ship at the same time when they’re all at the academy together?!’
No. Some of them know each other, others are brought together, doubtless under the influence of Nimoy’s Spock who knows that the best way to stop nero is to get his old gang together!
‘Makes StarFleet look like grade school.’
Well you have to go to school to learn and part of this film is set at the Academy!
‘Kirk was a good boy so he gets a gold star on his paper. That makes him Captain.’
Kirk says he’ll do the four-year course in three. I guess that means he becomes the living bookworm mentioned by Gary Mitchell!
‘I’m not saying this movie will suck, just be more reserved people.’
Maybe we’re just enthusiastic. Don’t be such a party pooper! ;)
““Respect is earned, not given away.” – Worf, TNG”
The TNG characters are the kind of spoilsports who walk into an enjoyably drunken party and turn off the music! :p
You know what I really grew to hate about aliens in Star Trek? How one dimensional entire races were portrayed as… ‘Oh, a klingon cant act like that, oh a romulan would never do that’ it smacks of lazyness both from the writers and the audience… I’m so glad to see Nero portrayed so differently as a romulan by bana… it looks incredible.
The space scenes are stunning, ILM have outdone themselves.
Cannot wait to see this trailer in hi def. Cannot wait to see this film…
Never mind!!! Did check the first few entries.. STILL AWESOME.
But if the movie takes place in an alternate reality, then we’re not REALLY seeing how “they” (the Kirk and Spock and Crew that we know from the TV show) actually come together – so whatever “OMG” moments that Abrams claims that he’ll show us doesn’t really matter, and they don’t really count for anything. So what’s the point, exactly?
That new trailer…
WOW!
It’s gonna be a looooooooooooooong two months…
The line about his Kirk’s father being in command for 12 minutes and whether Kirk can do better really rings true to the aspect of Jim Kirk’s character that was this tension between duty and perhaps his personal ambitions.
Spot on, for me.
“James T. Kirk was a great man… but that was another life.”
Ooooooh… shivers. From what I’ve seen so far, Nero is hella dope.
#19 You had me then you lost me when you misused a capital F in Starfleet. I’m beginning to wonder whether you understand Star Trek at all.
;)
Absolute Brilliance.
#39
In the alternate timeline established in this movie Starfleet becomes StarFleet. Damn that Nero! Damn him!
:p
There are some GREAT shots of the Enterprise in there. And the battles look 3 Dimentional. Really cool stuff.
#41 – Now THAT’S what I call retcon!!!
:D
#2: Thanks!
Wow. I think even if it isn’t exactly Trek, I’ll love it as a science fiction epic and a story of camaraderie. Most doubts are erased in my head, but we’ll see.
Amazing music in that trailer. Not the usual for Star Trek, but I like what all the different composers have brought to Trek over the years.
Ladies, gentlemen, I can’t wait. I hope you all (including the doubters) are with me.
I am at a loss to understand how JJ can say that these are “scenes you’ve never gotten to see but have been referenced in Star Trek.” How can that be when this not only ignores past references but changes the past entirely?
@ 31.
It sounds like your one of those people are who are caught up in ”techno-babble” . LIKE MOST TREK FANS OUT THERE ! For gosh sakes ! Its like those batman fans were who were worried about the little details about who bruce wayne was , etc…. UNTIL batman begins came out. Just stop the techno-babble ! Forget everything you know about Star trek. This movie is a fresh take on it all. Just enjoy the moment. And by the way… Superman Returns was actually a film that tried to be loyal to the past techno-babble and FAILED. This Star Trek is trying to do its own thing.
#2 Dan
HOLY CRAP THE TRAILER IN UNBELIEVABLE!!
It looks amazing and epic exactly what JJ and crew have been saying all along so Thank You. Now just have to wait two more months, oh the agony this must be what an agonizer feels like.
boo hoo for you i guess 35, might not matter anything to you but there are plenty of us who will enjoy it, new continuity or not.
#35 That has been one of my biggest points to friends and fellow trekkers since this thing came to be. This isn’t the story of how the original “classic coke” characters came together. These are new rules, and different characters coming together at different times and in different ways.
Never the less, I still think this is going to be a pretty good movie.
I just wish the guys writing, producing and directing would stop lying about it. You’re not going to be able to “Make this fall into place” in just shy of two hours. It just cannot happen. So embrace what you’re actually doing, and most of us will probably embrace you back.
Many people are trying to make excuses for it, but ultimately you cant duct-tape the old history with this new movie, it doesn’t fit. It’s not meant to either. This IS a reboot, and if that trailer doesn’t prove it to a lot of you doubters, nothing will. This is Star Trek Reborn for an entirely new era, without the shackles of canon attached to it. The only reason there’s any doubt of that is because the creative staff are relunctant to man up and say it.
“If you know the backstory, you finally get to see scenes you’ve never gotten to see but have been referenced in Star Trek.”
Right on! It’s going to be so cool to finally see Finnegan, Gary Mitchell, James T Kirk, et al getting by in their academy days. I’ve always wanted to see what Tarsus IV looked like, not to mention the USS Farragut. The writers for this movie must have had a hey-day with the back-story.
Grrrrrrrrr
51….whatever
I just downloaded the video and step scanned the scenes. There are some fantastic new images of the Enterprise and she looks very impressive. You get to see the aft end of the ship, the hanger, and the underside. Not sure what the lights on the underside are all about, but I’m definately going to see this movie and be geeked-out about the new ship.
Can’t wait for a high detail model to come out.
Loved the trailer. Gave me chills. And I love how people can judge the depth of characterization from a two minute clip without having actually watched the movie.
2. Dan
That trailer was awesome, it’s going to change a lot of poeple’s minds about Trek. My anticipation for this movie has only grown.
All Trek fans ever wanted was a REAL movie. Why would you so called Canonites not grasp this? Trek was dead people. Not only is it alive now, but it’s going to be a MAJOR BLOCKBUSTER. Didn’t you always want that????
AWESOME!!!!! It’s awesome!! I can’t believe it… it’s an EPIC MOVIE!
50.
Anybody can fanon up a way that it can fit with the normal timeline. You just have to be open minded. Personally, it similar t how Zefram Cochrane was slightly retconned in First Contact and how that eventually retconned the past through Star Trek Enterprise. It can all be one fluid timeline if you let it work. Time travel is always tricky. Balance of Terror can still happen. Amok Time can still happen. The events are just told from a different timeline viewpoint. All the backstory from the original can happen also. Again its all about the timing of those events.
Great Trailer!
I think it looks good as a retelling of Trek from a Quantum perspective.
But, it’s NOT Star Trek the original series by a long shot. But it looks good.
I stil want my ST-TOS movie. Just like Cawley and co. are doing, but with a huge budget.
50…you’re right. Isn’t that great?!?
sorry 59 no one wants to see it
56 I think it is some kind of selfish refrain… they dont want their precious to go mainstream, and they look back through rose tinted glasses and ignore the fact the franchise was driven into the ground.
That new trailer is amazing.
#54: As you know, everyone’s an expert on the internet. :P
It reminds me of the guy who said Juno was a bad movie from watching the first five minutes of it.
Hmm. Interesting trailer.
Was that Spock Prime doing a kamikaze suicide ram on Nero’s ship?
I was a huge fan of the first trailer, and second.. not a huge fan of this one.
Kinda seemed like a soap opera to me.
#61: Obviously there are people who do. He does, I’d like to, and I’m sure you would. Does it represent the mainstream? No. But you’re incorrect if you say NOBODY wants to. :)
65….wow interesting
saw the new trailer looks exciting.
I’m seeing this one.
the Enterprise still looks nice. I like how they attached the number on the underside of the saucer. Looks like Tobias Richter got very close to the actual thing! I recognized the ship immediately.
the effects are stunning, ILM has outdone themselves the planet imploding looked frightening,that space drill and Narada are menacing!
I’m liking the direction where this is going.
Pike rules.
45. fred
Granted, a lot has been altered, but there is a lot that would still be the same. I mean, one ship destroying another ship doesn’t change everything, so some stuff that we have seen before can still be referenced.
Once again, that trailer was freaking unreal. Totally awesome!
The FX are the best I have ever seen in a space movie. I am really starting to like the Enterprise, the Kelvin is pretty cool too, and the Narada just scares me (It is just so crazily assembled. It just looks… alien, more so than a UFO!) As for the actors they all seem great, especially Greenwood and Bana. It goes without saying that Pine is different, yet fantastic as Kirk from what I have seen. Spock’s voice is a bit too high-pitched than I’m used to, but I can live with it. Nimoy didn’t exactly have a light voice himself. With all of that said, I can’t wait for May, literally. If I don’t see this movie soon, I will go on a tirade searching for J.J. and begging him and possibly threatening him to show me this movie. (just kidding).
Damn 65# you beat me to it!!! – yes, unless old spock beamed out i guess that was is final curtain call.
what a way to go, now that’s a heroes death Berman
Dan.. YOU da MAN!!!
As well, I know this might seem kind of silly, but it seems to me as if everyone’s voice was very.. nasal sounding.
56:
I hope the film does very well. However, I find the following statement to be patently false:
“If you know the backstory, you finally get to see scenes you’ve never gotten to see but have been referenced in Star Trek.”
I know something of the back-story. This film (with all of its awesome special FX) doesn’t appear to represent much or any of it.
75…
Opinion
And one that isn’t even based on something you’ve experienced yet.
At least give it a chance.
Dont often write on here, but read often everyones comments, but having just seen the trailer, I felt compelled to say WOW, and thankyou thankyou Dan!!!
Got goose bumps watching it
Amazing Cant wait
75. Crewman Darnell,
Then enlighten us.
66. Ryan
“Kinda seemed like a soap opera to me.”
So, we get a trailer jam packed with action only and people complain about a lack of story and emotion. Then, we get an action packed trailer with story and emotion and you complain. Most illogical.
78. What’s there to enlighten about, it more or less ignores ALL of the backstory.
That being said, I don’t really care so long as the movie entertains me.
To all you canonists out there. Species that cannot adapt to enviromental changes soon become extinct.
Humans as a species are very adaptable, sad that there are so-o-o- many people who are so-o-o afraid of change.
As others on this site and myself have said, “Star Trek as a franchise was dead!!!
This new movie resurrects the franchise. I say that if you are only going to get one chance you might as well go “balls to the wall” and do it up big.
Thats just what JJ and company have done. I say “Amen”, can ya give me an amen!!!
Quinto’s Spock voice reminds me of Eddie Murphy’s “You’re not gonna fall for the banana in the tailpipe?” from Beverly Hills Cop.
Amen
WELL DONE JJ, Damon, Bob and Alex! I’m sold like a cheap tart at a Sunday bake sale!
That trailer is all win-win for me. I’ll be there and buy all the t-shirts and DVD’s they can sell me.
At the risk of sounding like a wuss…that new trailer brought tears to my eyes. I’m still skeptical, but…my gut reaction to the trailer is, “That’s Trek!”
A couple of those Enterprise shots–man, I miss that old ship! Even looking funky like this, she’s still prettier than the B, C, D, E, or NX could ever hope to be!
I still don’t like the idea of Kirk taking the center seat like that–don’t they have a second, third, or fourth officer? You know, someone who actually wears the full uniform at least?
But this trailer makes me not care about that detail. We’ll never have Trek as it was in the old days–I made peace with that when TNG premiered. But I’m hopeful for this new version now. Very, very hopeful.
Oh god, here we go again…
It’s not really THE Trek backstory though, is it? It’s some warped version of it that doesn’t even really take place in the same line as the original series episodes we all know and love!
That’s not to say this movie will be bad at all, but this creative twisting–trying not to peeve hardcore fans and attract a new audience at the same time by speaking in large generalizations–it’s crap.
canonites are amazing…I bet they all have throw pillows on the floor in their house and pictures of John Kennedy on the wall and wear T-Shirts with Peace Sign on it…..hey, did you know it’s actually 2009?
WOW,
IM a star trek fan but i understand why people dont like it… The producers of the show were to conservative…. It was good storie telling but sucked cinematograhicaly… I liked enterprise( there chance to start fresh but …) but i always tought that they didnt take any chances compared to other shows… It’s star trek… it was supposed to be on the edge as a sci-fi show. It has broken bounderies back in the days but for some reason fans and producers got very conservative. They were to scared to loose fans…. well they lost alote and didnt get new ones… what happened? It Died. I lov jj and i loves these new trailers. This is going to put star trek back on the map… and to all you conservative fans with canonnical issues, you will be so happy once you realise that if you dont like it you could always go back watcing those 2d, studio, one piece suit star trek with technobable you’ve always liked… But you will find them so boaring after watching this Epic vision of what trek is… welcome to 2009 and this is going to be one hell of a movie. I cant wait.. im going to watch this new trailer again! bye!
#31,
["Can anyone here say ”Superman Returns”?"]
You mean the movie that was exceedingly faithful to the comics and previous movies/TV shows (even adapting story ideas from the Elseworlds line), but failing to gel all its plot elements into a tight, cohesive story? That SUPERMAN RETURNS? You can mock its acting and the wispy, shipshod script, but the film itself is very much Superman, warts and all. Had they used the Abrams script where Krypton never exploded and Lex Luthor was a Kryptonian, I could see the “this isn’t Superman” argument. But every single thing in the movie, from plot elements to design, is from the Superman mythos. Where it failed was in using its story elements effectively.
Mind you, I don’t trust Abrams with TREK, and have previously said that if TREK’s essence and the integrity of its characters survive, it will be due to factors other than Abrams. But really, couldn’t you have picked a movie that actually DID butcher its source material beyond recognition as a comparison? Because if this movie DOES wind up being another SUPERMAN RETURNS, that would be a sign that STAR TREK wasn’t compromised. That it WAS treated with respect and it WAS true to itself. The absolute worst it would be is a disappointing movie.
79.
I don’t complain about the lack of story and emotion, I like the story and I like the emotion, I just think the way it was conveyed was a bit tacky.
‘I dare you to enlist… in Starfleet’
Key the Star Trek fan boy commandos.
I really want this movie to stray away from the key words that might deter the casual watcher from being enticed to see this.
I know that it’s hard to expect everything from this, but I was very thrilled with the first two.
78:
Watch TOS, review what has been established about this film and enlighten *yourself.* Perhaps you’ll come away (or not) with an entirely different school of thought regarding:
“If you know the backstory, you finally get to see scenes you’ve never gotten to see but have been referenced in Star Trek.”
I like how Ben Cross’s narration now seems to apply to Kirk’s path in the film, as opposed to Spock’s, as depicted in the first full trailer.
Holy cow!!!!! that new trailer just blew me away, this movie IS going to ROCK!!!!!!!!!! :O
91.
I think that the story needed a reboot, but trying to pass it off as the real thing is kind of wrong. They have thinly veiled the concept that this is an ‘alternate back story’, I think everyone is kinda getting hooked up on the semantics at this point.
Yes it’s A backstory, no it’s not the backstory we heard about in TOS.. we all need to get over it.
75: OMG OMG OMG YOU HAVE SEEN THE MOVIE??? TELL US ALL ABOUT IT!!!
… aha, oh wait, of course you haven’t.
Seriously guys, see it first before giving it the thumbs down. It’s amazing how many posters have said they aren’t seeing it because the nacelle caps are wrong or some other trivial bit of nonsense… and are dead serious about it. It’s just plain STAGGERING how many of those posters come back just to keep harping on the movie and being a negative-pants about every new detail that is shown.
Look, that’s wonderful, but if you’re so set on the movie being a flop then why do you even still have TrekMovie.com bookmarked? Is it just fun being negative all the time? I’m not saying you aren’t welcome (don’t lie, I know how many of you were about to make that accusation ;) ) but it just doesn’t seem, well, productive to me. Or logical.
90. Ryan – March 5, 2009
I don’t complain about the lack of story and emotion, I like the story and I like the emotion, I just think the way it was conveyed was a bit tacky.
‘I dare you to enlist… in Starfleet’
**********
You object to those lines? (”I dare you to do better.” “Enlist in Starfleet.”)
So, do you not like movies where people challenge others to better themselves? Or…what?
There’s nothing “fanboy” about those lines! They fit perfectly into a story about a directionless young man and a Starfleet captain who sees his potential.
Now, I DO agree with you about voices being a bit nasal–especially Quinto and, oddly, Saldana. But that’s not an issue, that’s just–well, it’s nothing of any importance.
But your other complaints just don’t make sense to me.
“78. What’s there to enlighten about, it more or less ignores ALL of the backstory.”
James T. Kirk was a great man, but that was in another life. There, no backstory ignored ;)
I’m only going to say this once, so pay attention. :)
Star Trek is a franchise that was dead a few years ago. Dead and buried. If it can be revived, what’s the problem with that if the sets have been redesigned, or the ship’s exterior modified?
If we’re to ever see a true resurrection of the series, this movie is our one shot. Though I may be yelled at by some folks for what I’m about to say, I still feel the need to say it.
This movie has the potential, in my opinion, to be the single greatest Trek story we’ve ever seen. Whether or not that potential is realized is something we’ll know in just over two months time. Anyone who pronounces it to be a failure based on screen shots, interviews with the cast, writers and director, or the tiny glimpse seen in the trailers, is being closed minded.
And that’s something that runs totally opposite to what Star Trek is all about.
96. I guess my complaints aren’t so much based around what I think, I don’t care I think I will love the movie.
What I worry about is people hearing that opening line and thinking it’s a trekkie love fest and being deterred from it I just think it would have been better to have more of an introduction to the story before saying…
LOOKIE ME I’M STAR TREK!
Just because if this movie is not commercially successful we won’t see another, probably ever. I don’t want the casual person closing their mind before they get sucked into the story that the trailer provides.
97. I agree entirely, which makes this canon situation moot which is why I don’t understand why this guys raise a ruckus.
I love the new trailer, it definately shows that the movie is more character based better than the other trailer did.
I like how the TNG version of the SFC logo is preserved at SFA during the cadets shot in the auditorium.
There is immense respect for the source material here, even down to small details.
Well i thought the Trailier looked Ace, i’ve thought all the trailers have looked ace, even the Teaser one! Its amazing how long ago that was…
I cannot wait for this film! :D
#56 – “All Trek fans ever wanted was a REAL movie. Why would you so called Canonites not grasp this? Trek was dead people. Not only is it alive now, but it’s going to be a MAJOR BLOCKBUSTER. Didn’t you always want that????”
Part of the problem is that people think Star Trek was ever “dead”. That would be untrue.
I’m looking forward to this film, but I would have been looking forward a whole lot more to a major blockbuster explicitly set in the same Trek Universe as all the rest.
#58 – “Anybody can fanon up a way that it can fit with the normal timeline. You just have to be open minded. Personally, it similar t how Zefram Cochrane was slightly retconned in First Contact and how that eventually retconned the past through Star Trek Enterprise. It can all be one fluid timeline if you let it work. Time travel is always tricky. Balance of Terror can still happen. Amok Time can still happen. The events are just told from a different timeline viewpoint. All the backstory from the original can happen also. Again its all about the timing of those events.”
I sincerely hope you are right. We probably won’t know whether, and how, ’til the movie comes out, but I’m willing to give it a shot. :)
#61 – “sorry 59 no one wants to see it”
That, too, would be untrue.
THE NEW TRAILER IS BOSS!!!!
The music, the effects, the drama. Looks great!!
Indeed, I think it will be *this* trailer that convinces a lot of the general public to pay to see this flick, and probably on opening weekend.
Glad they’re keeping Nimoy quiet as well – will be a nice surprise for those who don’t really know.
Word to your mother.
To clarify, I reserve my final opinion until after the movie is released. I’ve never stated I hope this movie is a flop, or anything along those lines. It’s the disingenuous promotion of “The Real Back-Story” that I’m taking issue with. I wish they’d just call it what it appears to be: A re-boot.
That trailer was just staggeringly good. In the space of 48 hours I’ve seen two amazing trailers: one for Terminator and one for Star Trek.
I noted with interest that aintitcool, which was so critical of JJ’s Superman script, actually said that, having seen Superman Returns, they would rather have seen JJ’s script made, on balance.
Superman Returns was a perfect example of how not to relaunch a series. All the actors were effectively playing their predecessor in the part and the film took no account of the last twenty years or so of the comics and the different view that people take of Superman in this day and age. I mean, Brandon Routh played Christopher Reeve playing Superman. Kevin Spacey played Gene Hackman playing Lex Luthor. It was . . . creepy!
It’s clear that in both Superman and with Star Trek that JJ wants to make a new version that respects its predecessor, but stands on its own two feet!
And people moaning about the film being described as the ‘genuine’ first meeting of Kirk, Spock and co should remember that that’s how most of the audience will see it. Star Trek fans will know better, but they too have to decide whether they want to go with Collision Course or Enterprise: The First Adventure!
How Shatner’s Kirk and Nimoy’s Spock met doesn’t really matter. We survived 27 years without knowing and we really don’t need to know now either.
On the other hand, to introduce us to a new cast this is an ideal meeting.
I’m buzzing from that trailer! Right now, it looks like the Star Trek film I’ve been wanting to see since childhood!
#30: Thanks!
#36: My thoughts, exactly! :)
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This movie’s really going to rake in the dough!
My only reservation: Where McCoy says there’s “No Captain, and no First Officer to replace”. I’m still a little worried in hopes that this won’t be another W.O.K. where Spock is concerned. :(
Absolutely stunning trailer!! I had tears in my eyes…that trailer hit all the right emotional cues. And I’m a TOS man thru and thru.
Yes, the effects look state-of-the-art, but they are meaningless without the heart. This film looks like it will have that heart.
An actor of Greenwood’s caliber as Pike looks like it will pay huge dividends. He sure has the gravitas to be the male role model the immature Kirk needed to get on thr right path.
It will be a very looong 2 months.
EPIC! Just EPIC!
I actually saw it on the big screen this afternoon. A bud of mine manages the big Regal in town. The theater was shaking he cranked it.
That was one awesome, emotional, and epic trailer right there.
If old Spock does die from ramming his ship into Nero’s, I wonder if he transfer his katra into his younger self before he does so. This would be like Star Trek 2.
100. Ryan
That, my friend, IS logical.
#111: Wow, that really would make a new series all the more interesting!!!
Now that was one Kick Ass trailer. I think i have watched it 20 times. So kool. Man oh man I just can’t wait. Im going to havt to put my self in the agoniser booth just to get to sleep tonight.
#98 – “Star Trek is a franchise that was dead a few years ago. Dead and buried.”
ROTFLOL!
Yeah, right. Sure. It’s dead. And yet, every single month we get new Star Trek stories, mass-distributed for all who want them.
Jeez, I hope I’m that ubiquitously visible and active when *I’m* dead!
:D
# 2 Dan. You are the true trekkie. You are the Man and you are way kool in my book. Thanks a million!!!!!!!
Regarding Elder Spock, etc. Nimoy mentioned in an interview, which may have been posted here, in which he states that nothing happens to Spock that necessarily prevents him from returning to do another movie, though he didn’t think it would happen.
Dom:
Amen.
Bryan Singer had a mission to pay tribute to Dick Donner’s two original Superman films. Mixed bag. Cool airplane sequence.
Abrams is taking what we know and re-starting it in front of our eyes, putting our TOS heroes, DNA and identities intact, and putting them through a new set of perils.
Frankly, “Conscience of the King” and “Obsession” are not high points for Trek. “Courtmartial” is. But still, lamenting the potential loss of these off-screen events in the face of a real in-your-face backstory is overrated.
Grounding this younger TOS crew in a fleshed-out backstory will make their “family” style comradeship all the more believable.
111. Van Banoovong
That would be interesting indeed.
You can make all the arguments you want about canon, but here’s what it comes down to for me:
I got chills watching James T. Kirk sit in the middle chair on the USS Enterprise for the first time.
If I can say that, then this definitely has the heart of Star Trek. If it has the same heart, nothing else really matters to me.
Dan, thank you very much for the link. Oh No, Odo, we could use less of the comments you’ve been putting up here.
Here are three picts to view. Sorry, my site is very limited.
Thank you Dan!!!
Best trailer yet!
Epic music – I hope it’s part of the Star Trek’s score…
I watched that trailer three times, and I’m looking forward to seeing it on the big screen.
I’m sure I enjoyed the film itself as well when it came out Xmas in the “original” universe, rather than in this modified continuity we exist at the moment, too. But hey, as long as it’s a good film the universe doesn’t matter, right?
Here is the new trailer too.
http://www.cardassiaprimera.com.ar
Is excelent. Good
The new trailer is amazing. Obviously it’s already online at a variety of places.
“This movie is not made for people who know the backstory…If you know the backstory, you finally get to see scenes you’ve never gotten to see but have been referenced in Star Trek. And not just character moments, but mechanical things that people will be like, ‘Oh, my God, that’s cool!’”
Um, no you don’t Mr. Abrams… it’s all a re-invention. This is all backstory for this new continuity.
We still aren’t finally seeing the scenes we haven’t gotten to see before.
#118 – “Frankly, “Conscience of the King” and “Obsession” are not high points for Trek. “Courtmartial” is. But still, lamenting the potential loss of these off-screen events in the face of a real in-your-face backstory is overrated.”
Honestly, if that’s the extent of the level of discontinuity with previous Trek, I won’t be hugely honked-off, though I still think the story of this film (to the extent that I’ve been able to piece it together, which isn’t nearly the whole thing, I’m sure!) could have been told without contradicting that backstory.
Roberto, J.J., et all. THANK YOU. This is the Star Trek I’ve been waiting on for 13 years.
ok… star wars can go home!
#127 – “Um, no you don’t Mr. Abrams… it’s all a re-invention. This is all backstory for this new continuity. We still aren’t finally seeing the scenes we haven’t gotten to see before.”
Okay, to be fair, given how much of the film we have not yet seen, can we really be sure of that? It may well be that there are elements that fit in with the established backstory, but we’ve not yet been shown those scenes.
I don’t *know* that’s true, but I don’t know that it’s not, either.
So this is going to be an alternate timeline, and a reboot using the basic character dynamics from the original series.
It’s a prequel (and a sequel of sorts) but offered in an alternate timeline.
Is that Vulcan or Romulus being imploded there?
Sorry, first time link images.
Here’s the link.
http://tomsite.embarqspace.com
is it just me or does the new spock sound a little gay?
he dosent have that deep spock voice at all
New trailer scene: After Nero screams “Fire Everything!” if you pause it right, you can see George Kirk on the Kelvin Bridge! Looks like its when the Kelvin goes KABOOM!
I agree with 31. Not Star Trek. Not TOS. Big budget film with space and Trek-like ships.
I would also add that wile Qunito looks like Spock, his voice is really, really wrong. A certain low point for the movie. They should have dubbed over him. For the sake of the film for goodness sake.
For me, I can see that this film will feel like parody. A high-budget film that turned the wrong direction at the get-go. What’s so strange is that an appropriate path was so clear.
It may be better at action than Superman Returns (after all, Spielberg visited the set) but just like the strange mix of classic stuff with new stuff in SR, this movie will feel weak, as if something is missing. It’s as if they didn’t do their Trek homework. The changes or “freshness” feels like they failed in those areas rather than purposely updated them.
This Trailer is so kool. Can’t wait to see the Trailer at the theater. Hell. Can’t wait to see the Movie on May the 8th. Wow. This is looking ohhh so good!!!!.
At about 45 seconds into the trailer, Old Spock’s little timeship seems to smash head-on into the Narada. Quite a spoiler, if that in fact is what’s happening – which leads me to think it’s not.
And so far, there is not a single shot of the Enterprise *actually from the film* that isn’t magnificient.
Jesus!
There was a time when I thought John McTiernan and Michael Bay used anamorphic lens flares a little too much. This film takes it to a whole new level. I think I counted about 30 in this trailer alone.
This film is like 150 million dollars worth of lens flares!
Ok. Naysayers. I have been a Trek fan since i was a kid. I was at the theater for Tmp and for all the Movies and I have seen all the Tos Eps at leat a hundred times a piece. Im a Hard coreTrek Fan. This Movie looks to be completly awesome and i think it will Blow the socks off all the other Trek Movies. if the Story is any where close to that of Trek 2 then we are in for a wonderfull reat. I highly doubt that lenord Nimoy would do this Movie if it was as bad as some of you naysayers say it is. But how can you say it is bad when you have not even seen it yet. i for one am so glad they are doing this movie and i for one who is a hard core Trek fan love what i have seen.
#104: “Part of the problem is that people think Star Trek was ever “dead”. That would be untrue.”
Yes, it has been. There hasn’t been a live-action Trek production from the studio since “Enterprise” was cancelled.
#138: “Not Star Trek. Not TOS.”
If that *were* true, then it would be so much the worse for “Star Trek.” Fortunately, this is quite clearly “Star Trek.”
I think that’s the Kelvin bridge being blown to smithereens near the end, one it looks empty and two it doesn’t look like the Enterprises’s.
is that Vulcan imploding? maybe. We can’t be sure.
the trailer is still amazing after seeing it after a couple of times,I’m no dissecting what we’re seeing.
I MEANT to say:
the trailer is still amazing after seeing it after a couple of times,I’m now dissecting what we’re seeing.
# 53 and #69
Look again…that’s not the underside of the saucer section. The ship or the camera is upside down. After a couple of seconds the bridge is visable, not the sensor package on the bottom of the saucer.
John
HOLY SHIT, the new trailer is incredible, that music makes is so powerful.
Meh Star Trek was never dead, it was in hibernation.
I also believe that you the naysayers have almost killed Trek. I watched all of the episodes of the series Enterprise. While not great it was Trek and that show needed us to support it. But of corse the naysayers did not and Trek went into a coma. Thankfully J.J came in as a Dr. and Brought it back and decided it needed to be much bigger and better then anything since the Orignal Series.With Fantastic Writers such as Orci Alex and J.J Directing and from the Looks of it a Steller cast and Nimoy himself apearing in the Movie and Majel her self being the Computer voice one more time is bringing back trek like nothing else could. So if it was not for these wonderfull people then we would have no Trek and we all would be bored out of our minds and only talking about BSG istead of Trek. Thank you J.J and the Court for bringing Back the greates Scifi show ever. Trek.
I recognize the music.
I have heard in another movie but for the life of me I can’t come up with the title!
Fantastic trailer!
May 8th please come sooner!
-cs™
Bana as Nero looks good
148: I believe you probably spoke for a lot of us here (and many fans who aren’t). I concur 100% Bravo!!!
#143 – “#104: “Part of the problem is that people think Star Trek was ever “dead”. That would be untrue.”
Yes, it has been. There hasn’t been a live-action Trek production from the studio since “Enterprise” was cancelled.”
The one having nothing to do with the other, I’d say you’ve arrived at a non sequitor. ;)
Star Trek isn’t, and hasn’t been for a very long time, limited to filmed productions.
Moving on. :)
And on another topic, I’ve now also finished watching the trailer, and I do have to say, whatever else is being argued about, it is a very pretty trailer. The production values on this film seem through the roof compared to any other Trek film ever made.
138. McCoy
I agree with you about Spock’s voice, but I’m not as “upset” about it. I will get used to it. I have yet to see a Nimoy duplicate out there and I think Quinto will do a great job. As for the rest of your post, you can forget it. I see there is no way you will possibly like this movie, so I guess we will have to settle with the fact that we are both fans of the original Trek. I, for one, am looking forward to what looks to be a very amazing adventure.
#148 – “So if it was not for these wonderfull people then we would have no Trek and we all would be bored out of our minds and only talking about BSG istead of Trek.”
Nope, again, not true. For example, I’m reading a brand new Star Trek story right now, by a very talented guy named Christopher Bennett, that’s part of a series that’s indubitably Star Trek, but has never been seen on a TV screen.
There’s lots of Star Trek out there. We’ve really not had a huge lack of it. And it’s Star Trek that’s been, on average, substantially superior to the Star Trek on TV or in the movies.
“The one having nothing to do with the other, I’d say you’ve arrived at a non sequitor.
Star Trek isn’t, and hasn’t been for a very long time, limited to filmed productions.”
You may insist that, but of course most of the fandom and audience for Trek doesn’t share that opinion – which is why you are forever encountering so many people who say so, so often. :-)
Just watched watchmen and the best thing about it was the new star trek trailer! absolute class! the whole cinema went from rowdy to in awe in two seconds! worth the six quid alone! cannot wait!
OK, JJ, even if the fans ever wondered how the original crew got together, THIS STORY DOESN’T TELL IT. It tells a story of how the crew of the Enterprise got together in this universe. So any actual stories that we’ve heard from that period will be similar only by coincidence in this universe since everything else has changed. But in a REBOOT, you get to pick and chose elements of canon any way you want, don’t you?
Re: 35 and 50
My thoughts exactly.
Re: 38
And sadly, my Trek along with it…
Re: 51
Hahahahahaha. And Ruth. Not to mention McCoy and Dax, and Chapel with her ex.
I’m sure it’ll be an exciting movie. It just… you know… they sorta took the easy escape with this alternate timeline thing…
Just a thought.
Perhaps young JTK realizes that Nero knows him as a “great man” from “another time.” Kirk, realizing this, summons the hubris, as a cadet, to take command and face Nero in the film so that Nero a) knows he exists in this timeline despite attempts to kill his parents, and b) to scare the crap out of him.
#2 Dan gets resident Trekkie of the Day award, thanks for the early glimpse of the new trailer.
I cheered when it ended, and I almost never do anything like that!
I have never been that emotionally strung along through a movie trailer before, if the movie is anything like that, then YES YESYESYESYESYESYES!!!!!
And pleeeeeease tell me that was the Trek soundtrack we heard.
LOOK AGAIN!!!!
check out 1:17 to 1:19 that IS the underside It’s NOT upside down, unless the numbers on the top has all of a sudden become inverted for some reason on the top, which they haven’t. Look that IS the underside you can clearly read 1701 and the numbers are facing inward as opposed to outward which is how it looks on the topside. If it WAS upside down the numbers would be facing away from us NOT toward us…..
wait damn you’re correct is IS upside down that’s not the sensor dome it’s the bridge argh dang it here I was hoping for a number on the underside of the saucer section, nuts!
Dennis, my friend, I can very honestly say… I don’t care. ;) Simply because an assertion is popular doesn’t make it correct. And in this case, we have here a textbook example of a popular, but decidedly false, assertion.
See, to my way of thinking, declaring Star Trek dead is the equivalent of carefully amputating a limb, sealing the wound shut, and then waving the limb around and declaring the person dead while said person watches. It defines a very restricted, limited, ultimately somewhat self-defeating view of Star Trek (or, really, any other similar property), and it’s one I simply can’t give any credence to.
Amazing…..
has anyone noticed that the better the movie begins to look, the more the canonites are blowing their best wad?
I noticed a few interesting things in the trailer (possible SPOILERS):
When Nero says the line, “James T. Kirk was a great man, but that was another life…” it looks like he’s choking the hell out of someone offscreen.
Another shot that got my attention was Spock’s timeship crashing into the Narada. Does this mean the death of Spock Prime?
And lastly, the shot of Spock hugging Uhura seems to indicate consolation in the wake of death. It could be speculated that Vulcan’s “alleged” destruction would cause this, but I believe that Pike does get killed and they’re reacting to that.
Nero’s comment about Kirk being a great man in another life I believe refers to his overconfidence in destroying Kirk. I could almost imagine Khan himself say it, should they have used a time travel story similar to this for tWoK.
Which leads me to another thing. tWoK looked very different from both TOS and TMP, yet it’s hailed as the best Trek. tVH didn’t even have the Enterprise appear in it until the end, and it’s up there in the top ranks. What mattered was how the story was constructed, and how it forced us in some way to look at ourselves and think. There were several TOS episodes that used minimal sets compared to others that were very much the same.
I think the general idea that Kirk was never a troubled boy is greatly wrong. Even TOS made references to his troubled youth, including in ‘The Conscience of the King’ and ‘The Way to Eden’. I believe there is a scene with Scotty who, making comments about the hippies’ unruly behavior, is reminded by Kirk of their own younger years and how they weren’t neccesarily the best rule-followers. From what I’ve gathered, Scotty and Kirk’s meeting in this new film stays true to Kirk’s argument.
154…enjoy the book… LOL
OMG!
Seen it in the cinema today – this trailer rocked the whole audience out of
their seats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow wow wow best scene Kirk takes the seat
Great work!
I’ve just seen Watchman, a terrifically faithful (mostly) adaptation of a classic work that seems to suffer a little bit from excessive reverence of source material.
These trailers have given us maybe two minutes of footage in total, manipulated, slowed down, edited. We have no idea how canonical it is going to be. The prequel/sequel comic suggests: quite a lot.
The essence of Kirk is that he is a passionate leader, tactically brilliant, personally very charismatic and somewhat given to using people, especially women, none of whom can measure up to his beloved Enterprise.
So far I am able to see or foresee that Kirk in this movie. I am super-stoked. Yes, it would possible to tell the story another, more conservative way, but even more I would prefer this be a megahit.
166 “Even TOS made references to his troubled youth, including in ‘The Conscience of the King’ and ‘The Way to Eden’. I believe there is a scene with Scotty who, making comments about the hippies’ unruly behavior, is reminded by Kirk of their own younger years and how they weren’t neccesarily the best rule-followers.”
The canon fodder have quoted the line “stack of books on legs” but that was (a) Gary Mitchell’s impression and (b) Gary Mitchell could have been kidding or covering! Also, maybe Kirk is capable of being both wild and studious at, you know, different times. Certainly I have worked at that kind of versatility.
wow!
Whos to say he doesn’t hit the books in the academy. The only real trouble we know he got in there was the KM cheating.
167 – I am, actually, very much, thanks. :) I’ve found that ST: Titan made me appreciate the Riker and Troi characters far more than TNG ever did. Go figure!
My current favorite Trek series overall, out of all dozen or so, is ST: Vanguard. I’m looking forward to the May release of Open Secrets (Vanguard Book 4) as much as, if not more than, the movie.
That new trailer is SICK,SON! Oooooooh… that was awesome! I am incredibly excited about this film!
#162: “Dennis, my friend, I can very honestly say… I don’t care. ;) Simply because an assertion is popular doesn’t make it correct. ”
It’s not a matter of “popularity.” It’s a matter of a consensus definition versus an idiosyncratic, minority one.
This is a matter of value-laden, subjective definitions – there’s no objective “correct” definition of “Star Trek” to be had…unless, of course, one resorts to legal distinctions and hairsplitting, in which case licensed merchandise most certainly is *not* “Star Trek” in the official sense as defined by Paramount.
But why resort to that – it’s sufficient that most people who pay any attention to “Star Trek” at all are clearly in agreement about the fact that it’s been some years since there’s been any made. That’s understandable, since most people who have ever watched Trek have never been consumers of the comics or various kinds of published fiction, and are *not* going to become so (nice as that would be for the reputations and incomes of some folks who are good fiction writers).
OTOH, the rebirth of a dead franchise will probably turn out to boost the incomes of those writers as well.
#157: “OK, JJ, even if the fans ever wondered how the original crew got together, THIS STORY DOESN’T TELL IT. It tells a story of how the crew of the Enterprise got together in this universe. ”
It’s all just fiction – this is the only origin story we’re going to get, and there are Kirk and Spock and McCoy and Uhura and the rest. So this *is* how it begins, again.
These guys involved in the film are so patient and tolerant. By now I would have been screaming “We wrapped that film two years ago. We’ve moved on. Go watch the movie – for us, it’s SO YESTERDAY!” Their budget is much better than mine. I just whipped together what an Astronaut between the Moon and Earth would see of the orbiting track of the International Space Station … http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxRUnva3j4E – yes … so 21st Century, and so far as I can tell, no Romulans or Klingons. But wherever you live, it’s in the video.
I was blown away.
The slate has been wiped clean, with the stories yet to be written – and somehow the emotion and brilliance behind it has remained intact.
This could Star Trek at it’s best, if the movie lives up to the trailer.
Just imagine the possibilities!
#170 – ‘The canon fodder have quoted the line “stack of books on legs” but that was (a) Gary Mitchell’s impression and (b) Gary Mitchell could have been kidding or covering! Also, maybe Kirk is capable of being both wild and studious at, you know, different times. Certainly I have worked at that kind of versatility.”
I agree. I never had any problem reconciling the idea that Kirk might have shown different sides of himself at different times. e.g., the “stack of books with legs” was also the Kirk who was teaching at the Academy.
And it also isn’t too farfetched to think that the not-just-studious, but “positively grim” Kirk described in “Shore Leave” was a young man trying very hard as an underclassman to make the progress needed to back up his, “I’ll do it in three” (years) line to Pike in ST09.
162. Alex Rosenzweig: ‘Simply because an assertion is popular doesn’t make it correct. And in this case, we have here a textbook example of a popular, but decidedly false, assertion.’
Sorry Alex, but you’ll find most people will disagree with you, especially Paramount’s lawyers!
Star Trek novels are simply licenced fan fiction. They are just an extension of the marketing arm of the operation.
Effectively, what you’re saying is that a new TV trailer for for TMP is new Star Trek. The books are written for the tiny minority who are into that sort of thing.
But, to everyone else, Star Trek and its spin-offs have been dead for years. Not just because they’ve been off air, but because nobody important cares about them or even thinks about them. There was a time when Trek spin-off novels were all over the shelves at Waterstones. Now they’re lucky to get a third of a shelf and, chances are, they’re old books!
To stretch you ‘body horror’ analogy further, a rotting corpse has life in it, but it’s only maggots!
Old Star Trek died a death years ago. ‘Son of Trek’ is here now to take up the mantle!
Well, that trailer was about 1000x times better than the first one. Seriously, seeing the last trailer, and the successive revelations about the film, had gradually decreased my expectations of the film (with Nimoy and Robert Orci’s comments keeping them from falling too low), to the point where at least 3/4 of me was fully expecting to dislike it, and even the other fourth wasn’t really expecting much of it.
But now, after watching this trailer…I’m thinking…you know, this actually might turn out to be a really good film. Bravo…
It’s remarkable how much Quinto *looks* like Nimoy in motion, in the trailers – much more so than he does in posed stills. There are subtle expressions that enhance the resemblance.
Anyone notice when Kirks shoot apparently opens late and he is sliding along the drilling platform that it is reminiscent of when he ejects from the Vette in the first full length trailer.
#181
I agree. Those airbrushed pics of Quinto were completely out of left-field. I have no idea why they did that.
I really liked this trailer. Unfortunately, Spock’s voice really disappointed with the few lines he had. His voice is too high pitched and he doesn’t articulate well for the character. At least, not the character as I knew him. But with that being said, I think this movie will be terrific and I can’t wait.
thank you Yammer……everyone see above….enough said
oh skagen…*sigh*
#183 they are appeasing the canonites. The promo pics of when TOS started were very similar
#182: “Anyone notice when Kirks shoot apparently opens late and he is sliding along the drilling platform that it is reminiscent of when he ejects from the Vette in the first full length trailer.”
Good point – I had not consciously noticed that!
I didn’t think it possible, and I wanted to believe it, but now I have proof!!!
That is James Kirk on the screen, but not William Shatner. I have no trouble buying that all those characters on the screen are the characters that we have loved for over 40 years.
That IS McCoy, Spock, Uhura and Scotty on the screen, not some other actors playing them.
and from 1:39-1:41, that most certainly is THE Enterprise
“This movie is not made for people who know the backstory…If you know the backstory, you finally get to see scenes you’ve never gotten to see but have been referenced in Star Trek.” – JJ Abrams
Seriously? Scene’s referenced like Pike mentoring Kirk? I don’t know sir…
Remember the Farragut!
i really hope tha wasnt vulcan. amazing trailer. i want to pre order my tickets. I read every post btw. Watch the movie, love it or don’t, just give it a chance to make you feel like you did when the enterprise pulled out of space dock in tmp.
Can someone provide a different site with the new trailer, the other isn’t working…:(
Dennis Bailey is an idiot and a farking n-w. Ignore him. :)
As for the trailer, WOWZA!! STARWARS can SUCK EEEEETT!
Kirk takes control of his own destiny and asserts himself as captain of the USS Enterprise, THE SHIP that it is his destiny to command. That’s why he’s captain, not because Starfleet promoted him, but because he decided to take command. He wasn’t assigned to the Enterprise, but chose to board her. Kirk and his ship, even this early, can’t be kept apart.
Now that’s good storytelling.
#193: “Dennis Bailey is an idiot and a farking n-w. Ignore him. :)”
You don’t know how. LOL
#175 – “#162: “Dennis, my friend, I can very honestly say… I don’t care. ;) Simply because an assertion is popular doesn’t make it correct. ”
It’s not a matter of “popularity.” It’s a matter of a consensus definition versus an idiosyncratic, minority one.”
A consensus can still be wrong. :)
The fact that we have continued to get new Star Trek, almost every month, is clear proof that the reports of its death are greatly exaggerated. :)
Now, come bang on my door after we’ve gotten absolutely *no* new Trek in whatever medium for a few years, and we can discuss its death. But don’t forget that you also have to include the end of the creativity and interest of its fans, too. You and I both lived through the First Interregnum, and even then, the rallying cry was “Star Trek Lives!” And it did, too, even though there was far less new Trek than we’ve been getting even over the past couple of years.
It is in that context that I can conclusively say that Star Trek most assuredly has not been dead over the past 3 years or so, and moreover, I can credit *you* with being part of the process of keeping it alive.
Q.E.D. :)
“But why resort to that – it’s sufficient that most people who pay any attention to “Star Trek” at all are clearly in agreement about the fact that it’s been some years since there’s been any made. That’s understandable, since most people who have ever watched Trek have never been consumers of the comics or various kinds of published fiction, and are *not* going to become so (nice as that would be for the reputations and incomes of some folks who are good fiction writers).”
The fact that those people choose not to partake of some of the options for entertainment that they have does not alter the fact that those options exist. They can talk all they want about Star Trek being dead, but it is based on an incomplete picture. It’s a very limited viewpoint, and it does not bear up against the weight of the overall evidence.
“OTOH, the rebirth of a dead franchise will probably turn out to boost the incomes of those writers as well.”
Or the expansion of a living one, to be more correct. :) And if the movie brings more fans to the franchise as a whole, I won’t complain.
Pat of what I fear, if it really is a wholesale reboot (and I really tend to think it’s not, if I understand correctly what Mr. Abrams is saying), is that it would backfire and any interest the movie gained would not translate to interest in other parts of Trek. But if, instead, the movie is intended to get us, even in loose terms, to the beginning of TOS, it could work out rather well, and then a few comparatively small discontinuities of background will be easy enough to ignore or paper over.
Actually, one idea I started messing around with, though I’m not sure whether to pursue it fully, is that this film is actually a 26th or so Century dramatization of 23rd Century events, with some of the differences being the result of the same sort of commercialization that makes the “Pirates of the Caribbean” movies great fun, but hardly an accurate portrayal of how folks like that really lived.
“It’s all just fiction – this is the only origin story we’re going to get, and there are Kirk and Spock and McCoy and Uhura and the rest. So this *is* how it begins, again.”
That not even true. We’ve actually gotten the origin story, several times over. ;) The movie version might possibly get to be authoritative, assuming it doesn’t do something incredibly stupid like having Kirk go from cadet to full captain in one fell swoop. Of course, even if it does, the fact that this is being touted as an alternate universe means it’s just one more “take”, and not even with the support of being in the same continuum as the others to give it more weight.
@179
”Old Star Trek died a death years ago. ‘Son of Trek’ is here now to take up the mantle!”
hahaha.. you said it the best ! This new son is BETTER, FASTER, STRONGER.
You people broke it. The trailer was up and now their bandwith is all used up.
It’s at Youtube also.
Wow.. no matter how many times I see this trailer.. I still get goosebumps. I have not been this excited about a Trek movie since TWOK in ‘82. This looks huge.. Eric.. blockbuster. It has everything. May can’t get here soon enough.
When Pine delives the line “yeah, we do.” and take the chair.. looks like he is channeling a young Shatner there. My buddy that has already seen the movie says that Pine blew him away in this movie.. says that Pine IS Kirk. I can see that.
And for all the people still negative about the movie.. you might as well stay home. You have already made up your mind. You hate it without even seeing it. Nothing will change yuor minds. YOUR loss!
Search “star trek trailer 2009″ (without quotes) at Youtube.
Doesn’t Pine sound exactly like Michael J. Fox when he delivers the “Yeah, we do,” line, though? LOL
Hahahah, there’s a shot in the trailer where Sulu is pushing a lever forward at the helm…looks like someone’s been taking lessons from Lt. Laredo! ;)
#193 – ‘Dennis Bailey is an idiot and a farking n-w. Ignore him. :)”
Oh, now, that’s not nice. Dennis is a cool guy. He’s just trying to argue a weak claim. :)
#179 – Nice try, Dom, but you’re not selling me on it. Hint: Any premise that ignores the fact that Trek is a multimedia phenomenon, and has been for some time, fails.
Say what you want about the novels, but the fact that they’re being written by pros and vetted and approved by the studio still puts them in a different realm than fanfic that you or I might write and just toss up on the web for folks to enjoy, or not, as they choose.
“The books are written for the tiny minority who are into that sort of thing.”
Maybe, but it doesn’t mean they’re not available for anyone, whether or not people choose to avail themselves of them. Fewer people watched VOY or ENT than did TNG or DS9, but those shows are still considered part of Star Trek. Fewer people may read than watch TV or movies, but that does not alter the fact that new Star Trek is still being produced.
And we’re back to the same conclusion. Its death remains a claim made simply by people who choose not to avail themselves of the opportunity to continue enjoying the new stories offered to them. They have every right to make that choice, of course, but it doesn’t make the assertion any more correct.
#154 Alex. I guess what I should have said is that there is no Main Stream trek. Yes theres plenty of books and I have read almost 200 of them and fan made series. I have seen them as well. but no main stream Tv or Movies.
I just saw the trailer…
It’s a well done trailer and gives the viewer an idea of the huge scope of the movie. There are a lot of quick cuts of huge special effects of ships firing weapons and planets (Vulcan/Romulas?) being attacked.
The best part of the trailer is when Bana’s Nero say’s something to the effect of (I’m paraphrasing here) ” Kirk from another time was a great man”
We see shots of Kirk in at what I assume is the academy. There are also shots we have seen before of Kirk on his bike and in a bar (that we had seen before in the Superbowl commercial) Sarek is in the trailer saying something about destiny. Spock is seen giving orders on the bridge.
There is a somewhat lame part when McCoy says something like “we don’t have a captain” and Pine responds by saying “yes we do” it kind of reminded me of the scene in “The Phantom Menace where Qui-Gon introduced ObI-Wan to Anakin. It’s a little contrived.
The general impression I got from the trailer was that this huge. From the trailer alone you can cleary see this is the “biggest” ST film since TMP. It kind of looks like what you would get if you crossed a modern day blockbuster like “Transformers” with a Shatner era Star Trek film.
It looks like Paramount threw everything but the kitchen sink into this project to make Star Trek the commercial force it once was.
The only question I have is did they get the character of Kirk right? Granted you can tell absolutely nothing from a two minute trailer, but my continued fear is that Kirk is going to come across like a tool. I don’t want to see Kirk turn into Maverick from “Top Gun”
Alex you have some valid points. There are plenty of books and fan made series and so trek is not dead. Except for the so called main stream. To me thats the main point. From 1979 to 2004 or 5 trek was always on the main stream. from Movies to tv series. When Enterprise was taken off the air it was basicly on life support. Only the Books and fan made films were keeping it alive and J.J came in and did a Dr. mccoy on trek and gave it the Hypo it needed to get it back to main stream where it belongs. I do hope that one day they make another series on Trek and get someone like James Cawley to direct or even Bob and Alex to do it. Just keep Berman away.
Doesn’t seem to be on youtube anymore. Anybody got another link?
Well they can now tell all 79 episodes over again, along with the 80s movie series.
We can have a new Khan, Doomsday Machine, etc.
The bridge of the Kelvin:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/36074644@N04/3332574356/sizes/o/
Damn, I’ve seen this new trailer 15 times and I’m already pining to see it again.
202. Dennis Bailey
“Doesn’t Pine sound exactly like Michael J. Fox when he delivers the “Yeah, we do,” line, though? LOL”
Nope.
I was totally not on board with this movie, now that I’ve seen the new trailer I’m sold. Sorry nay sayers I’m going to the other side, THE SIDE THAT ROCKS!!! :p
That isn’t a new number and light on the underside of the Enterprise, the ship (or the clip) is upside down. There are no numbers on the underside of the saucer. And even if there were numbers under the saucer, they’d be facing the opposite direction.
Looks like the trailer got leaked to the net.
http://www.cardassiaprimera.com.ar/
Why isn’t there a single shot of Leonard Nimoy in it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHiS2H09qRE
sorta had a geekgasm watching the trailer…
They don’t put Nimoy into the theatrical release trailers. Maybe they’ll graft him into this one when they put it on the Internet, same as they did last time.
#212 – yeah, he does. Exactly like him. LOL
Even if we don’t like the movie or the story, at least we’ll see some really neat battle scenes.
I have goosebumps from watching the trailer! The trailer to me sells that this is going to be a BIG EPIC movie. Not just a Star Trek movie but a movie for the big screen. Does anyone know what music is playing in the trailer? For a second it sounded almost like the theme to Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. But having the soundtracks its something different. Love Love the space shots they are great.
218. Dennis Bailey
Sorry.. nope.. not at all. Nothing like him what so ever. LOL. I don’t agree with you at all on this one Dennis.
213: Welcome aboard! :)
Hey Dan! (#213)
You have just chosen the Dark Side. We do not have lightsabers or the Force, but we do have LIRPAS and phasers. Whoo! x3 Glad you’re on board. Go meet everyone in Chat. :3
Aaaahh. I want to go see the Trailer. But I won’t have time to until Saturday. BLARGH.
Here’s another link of good quality of the trailer.
http://downloads.scifinews.de/file_74610.html
Never forget the question which is in the back of the minds of many a fan:
“What if Paramount throws everything it has into this movie — and it still fails?”
Perhaps the following would occur:
If a major failure, then no more new movie or TV Trek. Ever.
If a failure, but not major, then no new movie or TV Trek for at least ten to twenty years, relegating Trek to the lines of Battlestar Galactica or worse.
If a small success, but still a disappointment, this might as well be the same as a failure.
If a moderate success, then maybe one sequel, with a considerably lower budget.
If a major success, then one or more sequels with equivalent or greater budgets.
If a blockbuster, then Trek aplenty, with the inclusion of new sequels and possible TV spinoffs.
Now, as fans of Trek, what do you want for Trek based on the consequences? Major failure? Or blockbuster status?
Me, I’m hoping for blockbuster status.
#225. You hit it right on. Major Blockbuster is a must. ill help by seeing it at least 10 times.
#204: “Dennis is a cool guy. He’s just trying to argue a weak claim. ”
Not really on the first, and not at all on the second.
The simple fact is, of course, that unless Trek is on TV or in a theatrical release, to most of the people in the world who care or even know about the thing it has disappeared. It’s gone. The situation has never been otherwise and there’s no evidence on which to base a believe that it ever will be.
That’s why your position is ultimately unpersuasive to most people, even when frequently repeated.
I can’t believe that I begged a friend of mine who runs a theater to show me the trailer tonight, just to come home and see that it was leaked online.
I should have stayed home and waited for the bootleg that was sure to come.
225, as a Trek fan, I want “blockbuster status.” Your analysis is quite correct imo. That said, I still have a problem with the Romulus issue but I hope the movie turns out well. I look forward to May.
161 – Rotate the image 180 degrees, then flip it.
It’ll make a lot more sense.
This is how I see it. Either we continue to never have Star Trek broadcasted again or we accept the fact that this is the only way we’ll get our fix of Star Trek on the big screen again.
Whether or not it’s canon or not; it’s happening and you can either cry with the rest or accept it and move on. The movies made. They aren’t going to change it. I’m just personally glad Star Trek’s back. It’s just a bonus that they’re at least ATTEMPTING to bridge it from the TNG era to the past.
It’s been removed from youtube and vimeo (for now) and the site posted here has exceeded its bandwidth.
Any word when the OFFICIAL release of this is scheduled to hit the internets? I’d much rather see a HD version for the first time anyway.
That said, if anyone has a working link, I’d appreciate it.
thank GOD I don’t have to see The Watchmen now.
227 – I’m a big Trek fan, but I don’t read the Comics or books.
Nor do I listen to audio plays etc. They just don’t interest me.
To me, Star Trek has ALWAYS been an Audio-Visual presentation. That’s what it was really designed for.
#231:”This is how I see it. Either we continue to never have Star Trek broadcasted again or we accept the fact that this is the only way we’ll get our fix of Star Trek on the big screen again.
Whether or not it’s canon or not; it’s happening and you can either cry with the rest or accept it and move on.”
Agreed.
But it *is* canon, by the only actual working definition of *canon* that there is in regards to “Star Trek” – it’s a Trek film produced by Paramount Pictures.
That trailer does definitely kill some of my skepticism about the initial trailers, I mean … there’s human emotions and philosophies to be found! And that doomsday weapon Nero is running around with looks pretty epic. Also a pretty huge acknowledgment of the whole “reboot timeline”. Neat, very neat.
On Pine’s part, I am pretty happy with the analogy they’ve drawn with Kirk as a “rebel without a cause”, because frankly, while we’ve all grown up with him and are familiar with how Kirk operates, and we agree with that “cowboy mentality” because, hey, it’s Kirk, right? as a Captain and character even Shatner had Kirk often shirking rules to do what he believed was the right thing to do, and the crew practically always sticks by him. He must have done something truly epic to earn each and every one of their trust, even cold, logical Spock.
And along with that rebellious streak, Kirk has always had that youthful enjoyment, the sense of wonder, but more than wonder, excitement – at seeing new places, meeting new people (especially women) and engaging in challenges. He becomes practically addicted to challenges, and every piece of footage I see seems to incline that way …
Other than that … dear god, I hope this whole shebang starts out as a training exercise and we see Pike in the blinky-chair by the end of this …
The trailer is on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muKGrlw5Ye0
As for my thoughts, its Star Trek on a $135 million budget and it looks it
#207 – “Alex you have some valid points. There are plenty of books and fan made series and so trek is not dead. Except for the so called main stream. To me thats the main point. From 1979 to 2004 or 5 trek was always on the main stream. from Movies to tv series.”
Well, we’re getting closer to something we can define as a common language. :)
I can certainly agree that there’s a degree of ebb and flow in the market penetration. Star Trek went from a quirky (for the time, at least) network TV series to a niche phenomenon to a larger niche phenomenon to a cash-cow to, gradually, something more like a niche phenomenon again, and now the property owner is throwing in a whole lot of cash to see if it can boost up that market penetration again.
“When Enterprise was taken off the air it was basicly on life support. Only the Books and fan made films were keeping it alive and J.J came in and did a Dr. mccoy on trek and gave it the Hypo it needed to get it back to main stream where it belongs.”
I think what some people may not realize is that the ebb and flow really is somewhat natural. If we look at it from an outsider’s viewpoint, all the Trek series started to run together, to the point where they started to see it as one really long-running show, and for any show, 25 seasons is a helluva run! That it reached an ebb point isn’t a huge shock, though it’s somewhat of a shame that the energy-loss was also pushed along by the gradual exhaustion and burnout of the creative folks in charge. But even at an ebb point, Star Trek has had a lot of stuff happening, albeit at a smaller scale. I mean, after all that, and with no TV show on the air, it’s still producing a new novel and 1-2 new comic books every month. That’s still a pretty strong property. And, really, the *only* reason why Trek in print is viewed as marginal is that a smaller percentage of the audience read, as opposed to watching TV or movies.
I really do think a lot of folks who came into Trek with the Classic Trek feature films and TNG have watched the gradual slide, but they don’t know what it was like to really have fandom keeping it alive like what happened in the mid-’70s. Given that, while it may be understandable for them to be dismissive of it, it’s not something I can support or endorse, because I lived through those years as a fan, and I know what went into keeping Trek alive then.
Ironically, today we’ve had something similar, but on a different level. In the ’70s and early ’80s, a lot of fans kept Trek alive through fanzines. Today, the technology has advanced enough that we have the fan films. It’s more expensive, but it’s the same idea: committed fans keeping Star Trek alive. (I was tweaking Dennis a bit earlier because he’s worked with the guys who made “Exeter”, and of course his CG work is among the most well-known on the web, both of which make him part of the creativity that marks a living franchise. :) )
Now, don’t get me wrong, I really do hope that the new film is successful, and that it spurs interest in Trek as a whole. But I have a very dim view of reboots, anyway, and I think that with so much Trek out there, something that consciously seeks to separate itself from that is a bad marketing move. Folks interested in Star Trek, as a market, are balkanized enough as it is, and I think that the whole alternate universe aspect will only make it worse, instead of helping to bring folks together. I’m hoping I’m wrong, both about the fans and about the movie, but I’m gonna be wary until I learn stuff that makes me rethink my feelings.
“I do hope that one day they make another series on Trek and get someone like James Cawley to direct or even Bob and Alex to do it. Just keep Berman away.”
Berman had two real problems: 1) he’d burnt out on Trek (not really a knock on him; do 25 seasons of any show in a row and one’s like to burn out!), and 2) he started thinking he was a writer. As a producer, and as a show-creator, I think Berman did really well, but as a writer, maybe not so much. ENT really perked up when Manny Coto brought new energy in, but it came too late.
As for James Cawley, he’s already doing a Trek series, and I hope he can keep it up for a while yet. He’s proving with every episode that real Classic-style Trek, done in a modern way, holds up like gangbusters> I can only imagine what he and his team would do if they had $100K per episode to play with, instead of a third of that. :)
224.
Goosebumps.
Dennis Bailey, you are a Black idiot.
This trailer RULES!
I love, love, love when Nero yells, “Fire everything!”
I went to grad school and I think I or any of my friends could be described as “a stack of books on legs” and we were nothing like that beforehand. It’s a statement on determination, focus and neccesity. If you look at Kirk his nature is to enjoy life (he lears at his female employees and is very casual when there’s no issue but he is driven to do his job well and snaps into a different mode when he is called upon to lead. There’s nothing in there that contradicts a rebellious childhood. And when he has downtime he shows an ease in socialization that is far from nerdy. And his failures in marriage and with women relate to his focus on the job and the contradiction between that and the Jim Kirk he otherwise would have been. Those who are surprised at Kirk being a rebel are adding too much of their own biography to Kirk’s backstory. It’s not in TOS or the movies.
And regarding the transition from Cadet to Captain, there’s scenes from Kirk’s childhood so there’s nothing to imply that the scenes with Kirk don’t include a reunion years later (possibly in a restored timeline, with some vague intangible sense of trust). Let’s just wait for the damn movie before criticizing things that we don’t know.
Trailers ROCKS. Man, this movie is gonna be the best of 2009
Guys most of you miss the point about kirk, we all know that he in TOS he grew up not a trouble maker was on the straight and narrow, was a book worm ya maybe got in a fight or two but nothing really bad. Now what if his life was turned around, father died when he was a baby, was a trouble maker always getting in fights and really did not excell in school would be the captain we all know and JJ is saying YES. Nero trys to destroy everything kirk did and become but he fails, I like this story very much and the trailer ROCKED oh and Star Trek was never dead it’s still alive in me and everyone here on this board even the ones that say it’s dead it’s alive in you and even when you pass away it will stil be there!!
Batman Begins was a great reboot of the Batman character, I am forseeing that this movie is the same for Star Trek.
I keep trying to write something, but I have to watch it again…
lets contine the trailer discussion at the new thread
http://trekmovie.com/2009/03/05/new-star-trek-trailer-online/
#225 – “Never forget the question which is in the back of the minds of many a fan:
“What if Paramount throws everything it has into this movie — and it still fails?”
Perhaps the following would occur:
If a major failure, then no more new movie or TV Trek. Ever.
If a failure, but not major, then no new movie or TV Trek for at least ten to twenty years, relegating Trek to the lines of Battlestar Galactica or worse.
If a small success, but still a disappointment, this might as well be the same as a failure.
If a moderate success, then maybe one sequel, with a considerably lower budget.
If a major success, then one or more sequels with equivalent or greater budgets.
If a blockbuster, then Trek aplenty, with the inclusion of new sequels and possible TV spinoffs.”
My guess would be similar, but more like:
If a failure of any significance, then no more new movie or TV Trek for at least ten to twenty years, until some producer decides he or she has a better way to do it and sells the studio execs on giving it another chance…or unless there’s a significant uptick in interest in the existing library of Trek material, and somebody convinces the studio that Abrams’s approach was just plain wrong and trying something radically different is the way to go.
If a small success, but still a disappointment, either one sequel, with a considerably lower budget, to see if there can be a turnaround, or a shift to DVD releases with lower investment levels relative to sales potential.
If a major success, then one or more sequels with equivalent or greater budgets.
If a blockbuster, then several sequels, with particular attention to the potential for TV spinoffs, though likely not TV immediately.