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Review – Star Trek The Next Generation Movies Blu-ray Box Set September 26, 2009

by Matt Wright , Filed under: DVD/Blu-ray,Review,TNG , trackback

This week Paramount released a new box set for all four of The Next Generation movies on Blu-ray, which is a partner to the TOS Movies box set released in May (see TrekMovie review). In addition to the HD versions of the movies, the set is packed with new special features and commentaries. Find out if it is worth adding to your collection in our review below.

 

 

REVIEW – STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION MOTION PICTURE COLLECTION ON BLU-RAY

PACKAGING

Paramount kept the same style of packaging as the TOS movie set which uses ultra slim snap cases — one for each movie plus the Star Trek: Evolutions bonus disc. The box front has a lenticular graphic of the Enterprise-E and a Borg sphere that appears to move as you turn the box.


Front and back of box

 
The TOS and TNG movie sets together

The slim cases have an embossed silver portrait photo of a crew member (one for each disc case) and details for the specific movie on the back.

NAVIGATION

The load times for the disc are quite reasonable (~30 seconds). However there are effectively two loading sequences because every disc starts with a Paramount High Definition animated logo (which is not skipable) and then the third Star Trek (2009) trailer which ends in a splash screen that says it is available on DVD and Blu-ray now (which is incorrect, but will be for the European release of the TNG set which is timed to come out with ST’09 in November) as well as an advertisement for the TOS Movies on Blu-ray, thankfully these are skipable by pressing the Pop-up Menu button on your remote.

The menus are identical to the TOS Movies. The menu opens with a star field and the name of the movie and it zooms past stars and planets and eventually it pulls back out to show that this is all contained in a delta shield which slowly rotates while the menu bar pops up at the bottom of the screen. The background music is a selection from the soundtrack of the specific movie.

AUDIO

Paramount offers up the soundtracks in Dolby TrueHD lossless compression with 5.1 surround mixes. All of the movies sound great, owing much to the fact that they all were produced recently enough to have modern 5.1 surround mixes.

VIDEO TRANSFERS

Here’s the good news — unlike the TOS movies, all 4 of the Next Generation movies look quite good. Insurrection is the only one that looks “processed”, it has been hit with some digital noise reduction and then re-sharpening. Thankfully Insurrection isn’t nearly as bad as the TOS movies. Generations, First Contact, and of course Nemesis (being the newest) look fantastic, with Insurrection only a tiny bit behind.



Star Trek: Generations



Star Trek: Insurrection



Star Trek: First Contact



Star Trek: Nemesis

The new HD transfers bring to light a slight irony — the most recent movies (Insurrection and Nemesis) use somewhat primitive CG (by today’s standards) which can actually look a bit worse than the tasteful mix of CG and physical models used in First Contact.

SPECIAL FEATURES

Each movie gets all of the previous DVD special features ported over, naturally those are in SD. There are at typically five new special features per disc which are in HD.

As with the TOS movies set, the slightly cheesy "Starfleet Academy" featurette for each movie is back, which is basically a quick overview of the events of the movie done by a woman in a post-Star Trek: Nemesis style uniform briefing people on the “historic events” of the movie.

Each film also gets a round-table discussion lead by author Larry Nemecek. The panel includes our own editor-in-chief Anthony Pascale, Jeff Bond (Geek Magazine and Trekmovie contributor), and Charlene Anderson (The Planetary Society). These tend to be pretty decent discussions about each movie, the production surrounding it and little tidbits, etc. Each are around 10 mins.

As noted before, each movie disk has additional brand new featurettes in HD (for the complete list see our press release article). Most are pretty interesting. Below are just a sampling of some of what you can expect

“Industrial Light & Magic — The Next Generation” (First Contact disc) — This is the companion piece to the TOS movies ILM documentary. Here the ILM folks discuss their work in Generations and First Contact. Touching on how they redid the Enterprise D in Generations to give it enhanced detail on the big screen. The transition to the Enterprise E on First Contact and the balance of CG and physical models. Interesting fact: the Borg Cube model was only 30 inches wide!

“Greetings from the International Space Station” (First Contact disc) — this is an interview from space with commander Mike Fincke (who had a cameo on Star Trek Enterprise) of the 18th mission to the ISS, discusses his love for Trek and how the ISS is the start of working internationally in space. He also talks about the risks and challenges of working in space.

“Westmore’s Legacy” (Insurrection disc) — Michael Westmore is the go-to makeup man for Trek from the TNG era. His family has done movie makeup for generations. Fun fact: the makeup crew on First Contact made the Borg eye pieces blink out different cast and crew names in Morse code so that they would all blink differently.

New Commentaries

In addition to the existing commentaries from the DVD editions a new commentary has been recorded for each film as well.

Generations has David Carson (director) with Manny Coto (fan/Enterprise producer and 24 producer). Nice insights from Carson on the production and the fan perspective from Manny.

First Contact has a fan commentary with Damon Lindelof (producer of Star Trek 2009 and Lost) and Anthony Pascale (editor of TrekMovie.com). This is quite the chatty session with Damon cracking lots of jokes, including ribbing Tony wearing a full on Klingon outfit and drinking bloodwine at the recording session. The pair also riff on the odd and even rule of Trek movies and Damon talks about becoming a fan through TNG. There is also serious talk about how Picard is capable of learning and being affected by trauma and discussions (and joking) about timetravel, timelines, and continuity (including discussing the new Star Trek movie).

Insurrection has a new comentary from director Jonathan Frakes and Marina Sirtis (Troi) for Insurrection. The pair have great chemistry and lot energy and a really fun time discussing the movie, including mocking things a bit (like going through and talking about everyone, including sniping about Patrick Stewart getting an
Associate Producer credit). Frakes pimps his own directing job, but all in good fun. Sirtis confides that she hadn’t seen the movie since the premier. Jokes about the Ba’ku all being Sweedish since they’re all white blond people.

Nemesis has a new trivia filled commentary from designers and Star Trek historians Michael and Denise Okuda. As always the Okudas are a wealth of Trek knowledge. Tons of details on the background of the production and bits of Trek trivia, such has how the wedding scene was filmed on the same soundstage that TOS filmed most of its planetscapes.

The 5th Disc — Star Trek Evolutions

As with the TOS set, there is a bonus disc, this time it contains 7 extra documentaries about the Star Trek movie universe.

The Evolution of the Enterprise — A walkthrough of various Enterprise ships rendered in CG. A narrator gives an overview of what we know about the missions of the ship. Trek designer John Eaves is interviewed about the different designs.

"Villains of Star Trek" — Discusses the villains of the 10 Trek movies. Nick Meyer, Roberto Orci, Alex Kurtzman are interviewed about Trek villains.

"I Love the Star Trek Movies" — How various production/writing crew on other Trek projects (DS9, Voyager, Enterprise, and Trek 2009) fell in love with Star Trek through the 10 movies.

"Farewell to Star Trek: The Experience" — this is a documentary from the performers of The Experience about the last day of The Experience in September 2008. You also get two additional features about Star Trek: The Experience, in the form of walkthroughs of the "Klingon Encounter" and "Borg Invasion 4D" rides.

"Charting the Final Frontier" — this opens with an interactive 3D chart of known space in Star Trek with markers where the events of each of the 10 movies took place. Selecting one launches a discussion about the area of space by “Star Trek Star Charts” author Jeffrey Mandel.

Blu-ray Exclusives

Library Computer — Library Computer adds a computer graphic user interface that runs across and down the side of the screen which pops down different topics as they occur in the movie. This functions just like the TOS movies version but with a TNG computer (LCARS) style. For example: in the opening of Generations you get Dom Perignon, champagne, christening, and Enterprise-B. Selecting one brings up a small description and picture at the bottom of the screen. Much of the information is pulled from the Okuda text-only commentaries that were on the DVDs.

BD Live – Online Extras — BD Live is an optional component to Blu-ray that allows for extra content and interactive features to be downloaded or streamed over a high-speed Internet connection. You must have a BD Live (also called Profile 2.0) player and the requisite 1GB (or more) of flash memory connected to your player for download space.

During the review period there was only one BD Live feature available (but there were spots for more): Star Trek IQ. As advertised on the product box you can take quizzes, make your own, and post them for others to take. To save quizzes you must first setup a user name and password with Paramount’s BD Live website from a PC. The quizzes relate the specific disc you have in and it pulls clips from the disc that are usually relevant to the questions.

BOTTOM LINE – Blu-ray

Paramount clearly intends the TNG set to be part of a larger set with the TOS movies. The menus and special features are all a continuous experience. Unlike the TOS movies, I can give an unqualified “thumbs up” on the TNG boxed set. Paramount packed in the special features and the movies look and sound fantastic.

If you have any of the 1st editions of the movies on DVD they don’t hold up well at all to being displayed on an HDTV, I would say run, don’t walk, to the store and grab the new Blu-ray versions. Those with the newer special editions have a little bit of a tougher time since they look quite a bit better. However, if you want to see the most detail you’ve seen from these movies since watching them in the theater, this is how to do it. With a street price of around $45-$50 this makes it quite a good deal for a Blu-ray boxed set.

BOTTOM LINE – DVD set

The new TNG set is also available in a DVD box set. The only real advantage of this set to the original DVDs are the new special features. The new set contains some of the special features outlined above, including the new commentaries and the bonus disk (see press release article for full details on the difference between the sets). At $35 for a street price, this is the set to have if you don’t already have these movies in your collection, but if you do then it may be harder to justify double-dipping just for the special features. And if you just want First Contact on DVD, you can pick that up individually (see below).

 

Individual movie sets
Paramount also released four of the Star Trek movies on Blu-ray and DVD. These individual releases have the transfers, plus the same features available on the Blu-ray or DVD box sets, except for the bonus disks.
 

Next Generation
Movie Collection
Blu-ray DVD
ST: II
Wrath of Khan
ST: IV Voyage Home
ST: The Undiscovered Country
ST: First Contact

 

Comments

1. pacimage - September 26, 2009

I’m truly hating the box art… front and back. Klingon Bird of Prey firing on the Enterprise-E??? Come on.

2. scott - September 26, 2009

And that’s bad how exactly?

3. 16309A - September 26, 2009

#1 It can be annoying, but you know what? Get over it and move on!

I did just now pick this up at Best Buy on sale for $50. I figure I would get it on sale now and return it if it got a bad review. Sounds like I am keeping it.

I do wonder–should I have just waited for the big set with all the movies? I am waiting to buy TOS movies–I want the Special Edition Movies.

4. AJ - September 26, 2009

Matt:

So these films have not been remastered for HD (like TWOK). It’s the simple fact that they are newer that allows them to look good/better in this format?

Interesting point that the NEM effects look old-fashioned. I watched it last month and had the same impression.

Great review, and it’s on my list, for sure.

5. shadow - September 26, 2009

Well I guess I’ll just have to run out and drop $100 on the TNG Movies and TOS S2 blu-rays… Yeah that sounds like a good idea!

6. Enterprise - September 26, 2009

This is a great set. I loved the feature on the Enterprise history. Some really nice NEW CG shots in there.

7. Thasc - September 26, 2009

Strange to see how dated the Nemesis CGI looks with this level of image clarity. Check out the shot of the Romulan Senate… then look at the steps leading up to it. Why they were made with textures rather than modelled – in 2002, remember – I can only guess.

8. ScottDS - September 26, 2009

I’ve only looked at Generations, First Contact, and Nemesis so far. I have a 42″ LCD HDTV and I am not the best judge of A/V quality.

Random thoughts…

-The picture quality on GEN is miles ahead of the DVD which had serious sharpening/aliasing issues (jagged lines on Data’s forehead, for example). First Contact doesn’t look too shabby either.

-The GEN trailers are included!

-Still the same four deleted scenes – nothing else.

-The GEN commentary with David Carson and Manny Coto (acting as moderator) is nice but the Moore/Braga one is much more candid and informative. Coto brings up a few irrelevant issues (asking David Carson if he knows about digital cinematography and the Red Camera) and they do get a few facts wrong (I believe the ships in the Nexus were CGI and not models, and the stellar cartography scene was done via a combination of bluescreen and translights, not just bluescreen). Carson does have high praise for the actors, the late director of photography John Alonzo, and composer Dennis McCarthy. (How come no one ever mentions Peter Berger? He edited four of the films!)

-The Andrew Probert interview is cool but it’s only five minutes long!! They could have done a 30-minute featurette about him and his contributions to both TMP and TNG but we have five minutes instead.

-The Dennis McCarthy interview was a nice bonus. (Watching all these DVD interviews over the decade, you can tell the longtime Trek vets are getting up there in years!)

-The back of the GEN Blu-Ray case features a still of Data from one of the later movies (you can tell from the uniform). QC people!

-The Anthony Pascale/Damon Lindelof commentary on FC is okay but it’s nothing we haven’t heard before (which seems to be a running theme here). Lindelof’s sense of humor might get on some people’s nerves but it’s worth a listen.

-The NEM commentary by the Okudas is basically an audio version of one of their text commentaries, but that’s not a bad thing! Naturally, much of their conversation focuses on the artistic: sets, stages, graphics, locations, props, costumes, etc. They also mention some continuity issues, references to previous episodes and films, and parts of the script that were never shot.

-The FC roundtable was okay. I really wish Jeff Bond had actually been on some of these commentaries. He’s a film/music historian (and writes liner notes for plenty of vintage score releases) and I would’ve loved to get his thoughts on the passing of Alexander Courage and Leonard Rosenman, not to mention Jerry Goldsmith.

Re: the bonus disc – I only watched “Villains of Star Trek” and “We Love the Star Trek Movies”. “Villains” was interesting and it was nice to get Nick Meyer’s take on the films he didn’t direct. (What was with the handheld camera during his interview?) “We Love…” is just a little 5-minute fluff piece with Orci/Kurtzman, the Reeves-Stevens, Robert Hewitt Wolfe, and a couple others talking about their favorite moments.

9. jas_montreal - September 26, 2009

@ 6. Really bad CG shots of the ships.

10. Penhall99 - September 26, 2009

I’ll purchase this set, but I refuse to buy the TOS set until they make the extended versions available on blu-ray, and give ALL the films a proper hi-def restoration.

11. Jon - September 26, 2009

I do want to get them, but I wholeheartedly agree with #1. A Klingon Bird of Prey firing on the Enterprise-E? If they don’t include a mini-movie with that happening in the special features it’s kind of a ridiculous image to have on the back cover.

12. Gorandius - September 26, 2009

lol I can see the hands and camera reflected in the photograph of the box set.

13. MC1 Doug - September 26, 2009

I never have been a fan of CGI over physical models. And I’m not sure I ever will be. There’s just something flat about CGI compared to the 3-D aspect of reality. Just my preference.

14. Nick Cook - September 26, 2009

Yay! Looking forward to these. :)

15. Enterprise - September 26, 2009

8 I think the Original Enterprise looks bad in CG, but the other ships looked fine. The models for all the ships starting from Generations were all CG anyway, with some exceptions.

16. MC1 Doug - September 26, 2009

Between this and the impending release of Star Trek 2009 on Blu-Ray, I am weakening my resolve not to upgrade… especially since my TV is nearly 15 years old.

Yeah, I suppose this all demands a technology upgrade, but I cannot quite justify it just yet (not until I get a job)…. just like I want to upgrade my digital SLR camera to a Canon 5D (or 7D).

Ah, sweet dreams are made of these.

17. captain_neill - September 26, 2009

I am really looking to getting this box set, looks like a great companion to the TOS movie set.

Looking forward to seeing First Contact on HD, its up there with TWOK as my fav Trek movie

18. Matt Wright - September 26, 2009

#4 — right the movies weren’t remastered from scratch, they do seem to have been cleaned up a bit though.

#16 — I watched like 2/3 of First Contact yesterday while going through the discs. I was mostly trying to just scan through the movies and get a feel for how they looked but I kept getting sucked in!

19. MJAMESON - September 26, 2009

That’s a gorgeous model shot of the Enterprise B. IMO

20. Enterprise - September 26, 2009

Odd how they have the Bird of Prey firing on the Enterprise E? That scene never happened in ANY Trek movie.

21. Aprilhebert - September 26, 2009

King Media did a great job with the three Star Trek:the Experience featurettes. They capture the emotions of that last day, and really show the love and dedication of the fans. Plus, each ride is showcased, so if you never got the opportunity to attend, it will give you a taste of what you missed!

22. KMKProd - September 26, 2009

Kind of funny– on that shot of the Enterprise-D saucer on the ground, the same 4 CG people are copied to different points along the hull. It is kind of funny–not a nitpick.

23. Norm - September 26, 2009

The thing that bothered me with the shot on the back is the Enterprise is firing from the rear, yet the bird of prey appears to be in front of the enterprise. At least it should be, seeing as how that bird of prey shot is the same one from Generations, just reversed.

24. CarlG - September 26, 2009

It sounds as if they really went to town with the bonus features and extras. Nice!

Ewww, I never noticed that staircase in the Romulan city shot before. It’s amazing what you can get away with if you don’t freeze-frame, eh? ;)

I’m looking forward to that interview with John Eaves — and by the way, if any of you haven’t been to his blog, you really should go have a look. All sorts of cool Trek art to check out there.

25. Enterprise - September 26, 2009

The only thing I hated about the feature on the Las Vegas ride was that they didn’t include footage from Riker when he talks to you on the Bridge. Or in the Voyager ride where the Dr. talks to you. Hell, they didn’t even bother to show the actual ride footage itself. Real letdown.

26. MC1 Doug - September 26, 2009

huh??

“You also two [sic] get additional features for the two Star Trek: The Experience rides “Klingon Encounter” and “Borg Invasion 4D”, which give walkthroughs of each.”

27. Balok - September 26, 2009

Hey that huge saucer shot is really cool. Now we now where they got the big saucer in the debris field around Vulcan in the new movie.

28. Baxter - September 26, 2009

I agree about the bird of prey fighting the Ent-E. Didn’t ever happen in the films and it looks fake. Kinda lame.

29. Jason - September 26, 2009

Picked up the set the other day, even though my usual store didn’t have it (but the store I got it from had it for $15 less than the usual store), went through most of the bonus material. Have one bone to pick with Anthony on the roundtable featurettes, which for the most part I thought were great, but they attack Insurrection as the less of the TNG, and don’t even mention the negative attention that Nemesis has generated from the fans, myself included (I didn’t even own a copy till I got the boxset).

30. Enterprise - September 26, 2009

It gives walkthroughs of the rides, but it cuts out at the end of the ride where you get the “Movie” part of the ride. It’s only the live action portions. It doesn’t have the part in the Borg Ride where the Holographic Dr. talks to you via monitor, for example.

31. Gary - September 26, 2009

“The load times for the disc are quite reasonable (~30 seconds)”

Seriously, why does it take 30 seconds to start a movie? What the hell is loading that needs 30 seconds? A “Paramount High Definition animated logo (which is not skipable).”
This is why I don’t buy digital video media anymore.

Even my ten year old DVD player doesn’t take this long to start playing a DVD.

Gentlemen, please!

32. Enterprise - September 26, 2009

My 3 year old Sony player started it up right away.

33. Jim Nightshade - September 26, 2009

YAY Hi April So this collection is where the Paramount filmed Star Trek Experience Footage you told me about has finally surfaced! Good to know. I will be buying it just for the 3 Experience Features….I assume they are on the regular dvd collection as well as the blu ray collection!

Its always nice to see Aprils comments and to remind us all how we miss The Experience and all of the great employees and cast members like April that made it so special for us fans…

34. Spockish - September 26, 2009

The least I can say is the image quality on the Blue Rays is outstanding.

The sad part is I am still saving to get Blue Ray, not just the player but if you can play quality you need 1920×1080 and I’m at 1280×720. It’s good but not good enough.

And the old question of, Which is better 1080i or 720p. Personally I like 720p better, less chance of jaggies and the image looks more robust because of the 60 frames per second.

Then 1080p gives you 1920×540 every frame, but the eye seeing only on average 11 to 21 fps merges the odd and even scan line frames into one virtual image. And for motion thats 15fps on analog TV or at best 30fps on Digital TV (which some TV stations just upscale the 720×480 to the digital size and some create the higher frame rate by creating the missing in between frames by morphing the two frames to make the missing frame. This process leads to what seems like blur. This can be made less by sharping the image edge patterns. This is what 240fps and 120fps HDTV’s do. But to do this on live TV you need to video process the images at 4 to 8 times your viewing rate. CGI does this and creates beautiful images. The eye/brain transfer of data has limits also and your brain just does less detail in the image processing. But if your brain recalls the images from memory it is possible to see things in more detail.

This creates the old line, the faster your brain runs the better you see. Drugs can alter the processing speed of the brain, but in a vast majority the speed change is to a slower rate. And the drugs can alter the processing patterns your brain uses.

The best way to speed up the brain is to move from the bio-chemical process the brain thinks and remembers in to a digital process. At this time it is impossible, not that silicon is to slow, it’s that we do not understand how the brain processing software works let alone how it is written. As realtime PET scanners help us see how chemicals travel in the brain we will learn.

What ties this and PET scanner to Star Trek is something Star Trek helped make popular, and that is Antimatter. What do you think a PET scanner means. It in long form is Positron Emition Tomography, if you do not know what a Positron is that’s a Antimatter version of a Protron. And if the beam was strong enough you’d end up making a A-bomb or even H-bomb look like a fire cracker.

Just learn to think a little Star Trek a day helps make the World play better. And if it did not help us it is that much easier to revert to cavemen. And much of what is labeled as progress today is actually a regression back to the caveman days. And do we desire to progress or regress?

35. Enterprise - September 26, 2009

Who let Data in?

36. Driver - September 26, 2009

I found Generations to be incorrectly color timed wrong. It’s too green. Also the sound is too low on all of them. But I’m digging the clarity of the transfers. Not until Paramount gives the TOS movies a reworking will I buy them on Blu.

37. Matt Wright - September 26, 2009

# 36 –
Not sure what you mean about the color in Generations, it seemed fine.

The sound is not low per-say, you have to remember the tracks are mixed to the industry standard for a movie theater, something us home users do not or cannot really do is drive our speakers that loud. FYI On most surround sound recievers 0 db is in fact the reference point.

A receiver with Audyssey’s solution suite can really help this issue. The Dynamic EQ tech helps compensate for the fact that we don’t listen at the perfect reference volume.

# 34 — You typo’ed in your description about 1920×540 lines you put “p” when you meant “i”. You’re also a bit confused about things. Blu-ray discs are genuinely 1080p not 1080i, they suffer from no such issues. So a 1080p display (or a 720p one, that can accept 1080p, for that matter) won’t have the interlaced motion issues. The 120Hz/240Hz tech has nothing to do 1080i and motion adaptive deinterlacing, in and of itself. It has far more to do with LCD’s inherent motion resolution weaknesses.

38. capnjake - September 27, 2009

To all the people complaining about the box art, is it really any worse than, reusing stock footage of the tv series and star trek vi for some of the trailers.
seriously i think the box set looks great, and if you are going to sit there and nit pick over something as simple as a tiny picture on the back of the box then you have to much time on your hands.

39. Aprilhebert - September 27, 2009

For Enterprise (comments 25 & 30): yes we were all surprised by that as well. I don’t think it had anything to do with copyright issues (since it was Paramount’s material); it was more about contractual issues. The Star Trek actors who appeared in the filmed portion of the rides (including Jonathan Frakes, Levar Burton, Robert Picardo, and Patrick Stewart) had been compensated for their roles; if Paramount had allowed their likenesses or voices to appear in the special features they would have had to pay them again for it. I’m sure that wasn’t in the budget, so the production company was very careful to exclude them from the feature.

40. Lando - September 27, 2009

Reading the description of that “fan commentary” of First Contact made me throw up in my mouth, sorry.

41. Spockish - September 27, 2009

#37) Matt, I guess I did screw up it was to be i for interlaced, the odd thing in proofing it before submiting it I saw the p error and thought I corrected it ti i. But it is not the first time I go to fix an error an in a dislexic manor change it back to what it was before.

Guess messing up is what was meant to happen, and I had no choice of how it was going to be.

Wonder how long until Japans Ultra HD makes it to America, thats 4096x (1920 to 2560 have herd both but it’s still lab prototyping data), and also said to have 6 Dolby 5.1 sound tracks, so one disk can please 6 countries and bye bye to text captioning. Maybe they could try holographic sound with 30 source points.

But still the UHD is only 85% of the digital quality used in movie places, but still good enough to read fine print. Wait to see what nanotechnology gives you for image resolution in the next 25+ years, you will not be counting pixels and lines, you’ll be talking nano-meters and wave lengths of light. And Media storage on disks will use holograms to give days of HD or a few hours of life like Hi Def.

42. Jeff Bond - September 27, 2009

I haven’t seen the set yet but regarding the roundtable commentary, I think it was an act of will on everyone’s part to find anything nice to say about Nemesis–I think we spent 20 minutes on each film and obviously they edited them down quite a bit, and in fact I did wonder after we did the Nemesis discussion whether certain things I said would get cut. We went in knowing nobody was going to be able to just unload on any of the films but I think we tried to acknowledge and discuss what we thought were weak aspects when we could.

43. Dan - September 27, 2009

This is what I want.
Star Trek the Motion Picture the Director’s Cut
Star Trek II the Directors Cut
Star Trek III the Theatrical Cut
Star Trek IV the theatrical Cut
Star Trek VI the Extended Cut
Generations
First Contact

Where can I get a box set of just these movies :p

44. T2 - September 27, 2009

I love what I’ve watched on this set so far. It really looks great. What really excited me was watching the best Trek XI trailer at the beginning in 1080 HD, when that movie comes out on Blu-Ray in November, it’s gonna look phenomenal.

I’m gonna jump on the nitpick bandwagon, too. I paid good money for this, I’d like it to be accurate, that’s all. What’s up with the wrong pic of Data on the Generations case and I would think they’d have Ru’afo or Dougherty instead of Crusher on the Insurrection case. Was she really that major of a character in the movie? I can think of like 5 people who should be singled out on the back instead of her. Now that’s nitpicking. And as for the Enterprise E / Klingon collage, well the original Generations shot of that would’ve worked just fine…give the Ent-D some spotlight, eh?

Ok enough of that, what matters is that these movies look great and sound better than they have before and it’s nice to see some home runs being hit with the bonus features lately. Now I can only wonder what new bonus features they’ll have when they’re selling us “The Complete 11 Movie Set on Blu-Ray with 20 hours of bonus features and never-before-seen this and that, blah blah blah.” You know it’s coming…then after that, we’ll get the director’s cuts of TOS, then TNG, then all 11 of those versions in 1 set, etc.

45. Matt Wright - September 27, 2009

#42 — Jeff, yeah I made to sure to watch the Nemesis roundtable during the review process to see what you all would say. I could tell you guys were just trying not say it sucked so bad that it runied the TNG franchise from ever being resurrected, etc. etc.
I did find what Charlene said about the Arthurian parallel somewhat interesting.

46. Driver - September 27, 2009

#43 Become CEO of Paramount.

47. Anthony Pascale - September 27, 2009

Well the reason I was more negative on INS is because I like NEM a lot more than INS. In my opinion, Insurrection is the worst film in the franchise, it really isn’ t a feature film at all. I liked a lot about Nemesis and think it had potential, only to be squandered by a director who was the wrong man for the job.

But as Jeff pointed out, our round tables were edited, and it was a bit of a struggle for us all with both INS and NEM. But I still can find things I like about all the movies

48. Allen - September 27, 2009

Actually i’m more bothered by Data wearing a first contact uniform on the generations box art than i am with the klingon bird of prey. The klingon ship and the enterprise both appear in these series of movies. But data never wore that uniform in generations. Which is ironic considering that there were 3 sets of uniforms and not only is he wearing the wrong one, hes wearing one that didn’t appear.

Someone was talking about 1080i and 720p. That discussion is irrelavent because this is 1080p NOT 1080i.

Someone else mentioned that 720 isn’t good enough for blu-ray. That’s not true. Even on standard def DVD has artifacts that aren’t present in blu-ray. on 720 it would have to be upscaled which would make it blurry or pixelated. Playing blu-ray would instead require down-scaling which produces no additional artifacts.

49. Enterprise - September 27, 2009

I actually think the regular DVDs of this set look better than the Blue Rays.

50. Matt Wright - September 27, 2009

# 48 — re: 720p — I know, I’ve tried to make that point before to the guy and he seems to be buying into the hype that a 1080p TV is absolutely necessary for HD enjoyment.

51. They call meStasiu - September 27, 2009

I think the Starfleet Academy briefings on each disc were well produced, but I wish they had taken effort to hide the wiring of the fluorescent tubes on the floor!

52. Smike van Dyke - September 27, 2009

Well, I didn’t think the TOS movies looked particularily bad on BD. I have no problem whatsoever with the general quality. Only the matelines are a bit annoying but that’s not the BD’s fault but due to the ancient priduction methods of the era.

I don’t really know why people keep complaining about noise reduction and other “proceeding” methods. As long as there are no artifacts and digital gridlines in darker scenes I’m fine with almost everything. And yeah, “Gladiator” looks okay on BD…Let the flaming begin…

53. Jeyl - September 27, 2009

@47 Anthony Pascale: “In my opinion, Insurrection is the worst film in the franchise”

That’s saying something since I consider Generations to be the worst feature ever made. And it’s kind of ironic how you find Data finding Spot in the end to be one of your favorite bits since some reports say Brent Spiner hated the scene.

And I totally disagreed with Charlene Anderson’s point in that the King must die in order for the new King to take the throne. Huh? Is Star Trek based in the 14th century or something? But more importantly, why does a character necessarily have to “DIE” in order for a character to take the reigns? Star Trek didn’t need Kirk to die in order for Picard and crew to come into their own. The whole notion that in order for a character’s story to come to an end is that they die is overused and overrated. Not to say kirk didn’t live between Country and Generations, I’m just saying why does it always have to end in death? Star Trek 09 didn’t need Picard’s death in order to move on to NuKirk, nor even Leonard Nimoy’s Spock’s death to move onto NuSpock.

In a nutshell, you don’t need to kill a character off if you want their story to be finished, and you certainly don’t need to kill them off in order for someone else to take the reigns.

54. Prologic9 - September 27, 2009

For all of Generations’ faults, it was the only TNG movie that actually felt like TNG, as opposed to a movie that just features the TNG cast. Picard and Data both get well done character arcs, superior to any of their other movies. (Picards FC story was good too, if a bit familiar)

It was really only the Kirk stuff that lets the movie down so much.

Generations also featured some of the best cinematography to come out of all 11 films.

55. Matt Wright - September 27, 2009

I was just thinking about this yesterday, much of Generations is just fine. Picard’s issues with time and feeling aged was much better explored in Generations than Nemesis.

Don’t even get me started on how Nemesis dramatically re-wrote the background of an entire species (Romulans) both racially/ethnically and politically.

56. Enterprise - September 27, 2009

Generations is pretty good. The story is perfect Star Trek. Kirk is even in it. At least he dies saving Picard and the Enterprise D crew. That’s pretty heroic. He also “dies” saving the crew of the Enterprise B, and Scotty and Chekov.

BTW, did you ever notice that after Kirk shoots out that energy beam to the Nexus it just kind of disapears from the story? When Scotty, Chekov, and Harriman go down to check on Kirk, shouldn’t the ribbon be seen outside of the ship?

57. Spockish - September 27, 2009

Since I keep bringing up the 720/1080 factor, My judgments are not made on 1080p hype, in motion of the imafes 720p may be better of a visual effect on the brain. And this is due to the to much info coming into the brain to fast, 1080p can over flow the image buffers in the brain. Your brain does not lock up it just gets headaches.

What my bias for the 1080p image size is based on it still image quality, I prefer to use that since images moving at that size can cause information over flow to the optic regions of the brain for processing.

Since my brain was exposed by that DUI driver back in 89 I’ve taken an interest in kind of understanding how and what makes the brain work. My first interest in this field came from OMNI magazine back in the 80′s.

58. Dan - September 28, 2009

Are they going to release Star Trek III and Generations seperately?

59. Dan - September 28, 2009

Another review.
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Star-Trek-The-Next-Generation-Motion-Picture-Collection-Blu-ray-Review/6408/

60. Tom - September 28, 2009

How about the Director’s Edition of TMP? Any word on that?

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62. Jeyl - September 28, 2009

@55. Matt Wright: “Don’t even get me started on how Nemesis dramatically re-wrote the background of an entire species (Romulans) both racially/ethnically and politically.”

How about the re-writing of Picard’s character to having a real heart instead of an artificial heart? Wow. Wasn’t that supposed to be one of the biggest developments to Picard’s character going from the arrogant person he was to the man he is? I guess John Logan thought the artificial heart storyline was hokey and retconned Picard’s character entirely just so that he could have a pointless conversation with Shinzon.

63. Canadianknight - September 28, 2009

@62 – Heart hell… how about retconning the fact that young Picard, whilst being stabbed by the angry Nausican, had HAIR!?!!?

;)

64. Simon - September 28, 2009

Spockish:

You will only get 720p 60fps from sources that do this, like sports. TV shows in HD are almost always shot 24fps so they upconvert the framerate.

Blu-ray films are 1080p/24fps. Downconverting them to 720p doesn’t give you 60fps either. The BD player converts it to 30fps and then your set doubles that.

1080i is 60 *fields* per second, each frame is interlaced for a actual total of 30fps.

See what your TV accepts and then go from there. It will still look a lot better than DVD. Many people prefer sending Blu-ray signals out 1080i and letting their set downconvert than letting the player do it by setting their output to 720p.

65. Matt Wright - September 28, 2009

#62 — I always thought Picard got his natural heart back in Tapestry as a gift from Q, but I guess not.

#63 — It’s the inverse. Nemesis retcon’ed that Picard had no hair.
http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Jean-Luc_Picard#Medical_record

#64 — Be careful, 1080i from a Blu-ray player is only better when you’re positive your TV can do 1080i film deinterlacing correctly, most sets cannot.

66. Simon - September 28, 2009

Matt: that’s why I said you have to test. Some 720p plasmas (notably Panasonic) will even accept 1080p input signals. You have to test each mode with material you’re familiar with.

67. cleverclogs - September 28, 2009

I’ll see if I can rent these, but I won’t buy them yet since I have the original DVDs. And besides, surely one day they’ll actually remaster them all/put them all in one box set? :|

68. Simon - September 28, 2009

#67 – They may put them all in a box but don’t expect new transfers anytime soon. They are already different masters than what were used in HD broadcasts and transfers aren’t cheap.

Also don’t forget about the bonus discs as well. They make the set an even better value.

69. Jeyl - September 28, 2009

@65. Matt Wright: “I always thought Picard got his natural heart back in Tapestry as a gift from Q, but I guess not.”

If you don’t remember, watch the episode again. It’s that important.

70. Driver - September 28, 2009

To hell with grain, these transfers look much better than the S.E. DVDs. I’m watching in 1080i RPTV.

So ironic that TOS went 3 seasons but spawned 6 films while Next Gen. went 7 and then only 4 films. Still, that’s now 5 and soon enough to be 6 more films than Star Wars will ever have.

71. grant - September 28, 2009

What was the name of the movie when the enterprise from the past appeared when the enterprise of the future was at war .

72. Matt Wright - September 28, 2009

#69 — I just figured it as a sort of gift for figuring out that his life was better off with the risks he took in his life so Q gave him a natural heart, since his artifical one ruptured.

I don’t recall any dialog about his heart being real or fake in any epsiode afterwards (since the episode basically ends with Picard regaining conciousness and laughing, there is no dialog either way in Tapestry).

But of course it also makes sense that Q would just fix his artifical one and let him go forward with his reminder of his decisions.

P.S. Where in Nemesis do they say Picard has a natural heart?

73. Jeyl - September 29, 2009

@72. Matt Wright: “P.S. Where in Nemesis do they say Picard has a natural heart?”

Scene takes place in Picard’s ready room where Picard and Shinzon ready room.
Picard to Shinzon: Your HEART, your hands, your eyes are the same as mine.

No….. they’re….. not……. Remember how Data brought up “the events of one’s life” being important to who the individual is now? You would think the line should have been given to Shinzon with Picard following up that their hearts are not the same. Picard was rash and somewhat selfish as Shinzon was, but that fight gave him a wake up call that helped become who he is today, thus providing a good and even TANGIBLE proof to Shinzon that change can happen.

I would very much like to know why they didn’t include Picard’s artificial heart in the story. It fits so well with what they were trying to tell that to ignore it simply conveys that they didn’t care.

74. Driver - September 29, 2009

If given that information, Shinzon would certainly have given up his quest for vengence.
No, the story dictates Shinzon must fulfill his mission no matter the opposition.. And too much exposition kills the story.

75. Jeyl - September 29, 2009

@74. “No, the story dictates Shinzon must fulfill his mission no matter the opposition.. And too much exposition kills the story.”

It’s a good thing the writers, directors, actors and everyone involved with Star Trek Nemesis agreed with you on this. Too bad the audience and fans didn’t because Star Trek: Nemesis, without inflation is the lowest grossing Star Trek movie ever made.

76. Driver - September 29, 2009

Oh, well, there’s no accounting for taste. A better one sheet with space battles, the Viceroy, a Romulan, desert aliens and phasers firing would have helped.

77. Matt Wright - September 29, 2009

# 73 — Good points about the heart line. Clearly he was speaking metaphorically, so we cannot be certain they re-wrote Picard’s history. However as you said it would have been a great opportunity for Picard to point out how they are indeed different (his fake heart). …And once again Nemesis trashes and/or ignores established character backgrounds for rather melodramatic junk.
I know Nemesis the least well, since I like it the least of the TNG movies. I saw it once in the theaters to support the franchise. Likewise, while I’ve owned it on DVD since it was first released, I’ve probably watched it all the way through a total of once. I’ll have re-watch it in its entirety at some point soon on Blu-ray.

78. Frank Welsh - September 29, 2009

Really.

Who gives a rats about Pascales opinion? Does he really deserve to be on ANY of thease DVDs. NO! I’m sure this wil be deleted?

DB

79. Driver - September 30, 2009

Obviously Paramount cares. Rest assured that you will not be asked by any studio to give your movie opinions anytime soon with that attitude.

80. bill hiro - October 1, 2009

Kudos to Matt Wright – probably the most fair-minded contributor on the site. Probably helped by the fact that he isn’t trying to use the site to further a career in publishing and/or infotainment “jounalism”.

81. Jim Nightshade - October 3, 2009

hey ps3 experts—if i get a ps3-i know the newest one for 299 does not play ps2 games-is a model still being sold that does play ps2 and is the blu ray for that player up to date firmware ets does it upconvert regular dvds? and how much does it cost? would an old used one do that if so which one or ones for how much? thanx for any help-

82. Anthony Lewis - October 3, 2009

@31 — “The load times for the disc are quite reasonable (~30 seconds)”

Seriously, why does it take 30 seconds to start a movie? What the hell is loading that needs 30 seconds? A “Paramount High Definition animated logo (which is not skipable).”
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With Blu-Ray there is just a lot more data to load. The standard bitrate for a DVD is around 5-6 Megabytes per second. A Blu-Ray usually does around 15-16 MBPS. The player pre-loads some of the data so it runs smoother.

83. Anthony Lewis - October 3, 2009

Jim there are three models of PS3 that support backwards compatibility with the PS2. None of them are in production anymore but you could probably still buy one on Ebay or the like but it won’t likely be cheap.

Here is the list via Sony – http://playstation.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/playstation.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=232&p_sid=NYD7pwJj

The PS3 does up convert DVD’s and you can connect it to the internet via cable or WiFi so you can easily update the firmware.

84. Jim Nightshade - October 3, 2009

ok kool Anthony–is that kinda krazy that sony doesnt support ps2 compatibility?`So even the older ones the bluray firmware can be updated-ok thanx for your help–

85. Jeyl - October 11, 2009

@82 Anthony Lewis: “With Blu-Ray there is just a lot more data to load.”

It’s the DRM Anthony. I’ve cycled through tons of BluRays and it’s always different. Encryption is in itself, a process. And you know how paranoid some studios are about good people ripping the DVDs. God forbid you rip’em for review purposes.

Also, thank you Anthony for the Crusher comment in First Contact during Picard’s breakdown. I understand that making a character for the audience can identify with is important, but at the same time, what’s preventing Crusher from being any more identifiable? What they did was just take the EASY way out. Just because she has a ‘history’ doesn’t mean we won’t get it.

86. Spork (Spocks retarded Brother) - January 15, 2010

Bring back STAR WARS circa…oh…I don’t know…late 70′s?

That was back when you had to actually work to make good space movies.

People will be remembering AND watching those films with awe and inspiration LONG after fruity-tootie, goofy as ass, WAY OVER PRODUCED STAR TREK “rehashes” have long since turned to dust.

Poor Gene…outta the equation…into the toilet. Just he way Hollywood want’s it. Remember…the new movie was marketed towards 15 year olds. After all, they grew up with Star Trek TOS and TNG. Oh wait…no…no they didn’t. Oops…?

Oh NO! Don’t worry…Blu Ray will save us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wow…it’s…it’s slightly better than a regular DVD…OMG?. THE FUTURE IS HERE…GENE RODDENBERRY IS DEAD…!!!!

Just look at all the extra stuff…wowee…hosting and comentary!!!!!!!!!!! By some…who? Some author? Who?

Who cares!!!! It’s BLURAY!!!!! YAAAHHH!!! Everybody on the count of three…pat yourself on the back…ready?

Uh duh….say it with me…Uh…Duh…VERY good!

87. Bob Tompkins - December 19, 2011

Anyone here happen to actually listen to the 5.1 dolby? The front speaker sounds are in the rear and the rear sound goes to the front on every movie in every sound system I have tried them in….

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