Russell T. Davies Considered Star Trek Pastiche For 2009 Doctor Who Easter Special

In 2005 Russell T. Davies successfully re-invented the classic BBC sci-fi series the Doctor Who for a whole new generation. A newly updated book by Davies about his time with the series reveals all sorts of interesting tidbits, one of which is that he considered making the 2009 Easter Special a ‘Star Trek pastiche’, and that isn’t the only Trek link discussed. Details below. 

 

Davies and his almost Trek – Who connections
"Doctor Who: The Writer’s Tale", written by Davies and Benjamin Cook, was first published in 2008, but a newly expanded version comes out on January 21st (January 15th in the UK). The new edition covers Davies entire tenure now that he has moved on from the Who-verse. Our friends at the UK SFX magazine have a preview of "20 things they learned" from the book, which includes these little tidbits:

4. Yet another [idea for the 2009 Easter Special] was a kind of Star Trek pastiche – essentially “the Doctor on board the Enterprise, puncturing all that Starfleet pomposity with this sheer Doctor-ness”.

5. Speaking of which, back in 2004, a Doctor Who/Star Trek crossover was seriously on their list of plans, until Enterprise was axed.

Davies spoke more about the possible Who/Trek crossover with the UK Times in 2009. When asked what things about what things ‘he never got around to’ the writer/producer said:

I would have loved to have done a Star Trek crossover. The very first year, we talked about it. Then Star Trek finally went off air. Landing the Tardis on board the Enterprise would have been magnificent. Can you imagine what their script department would have wanted, and what I would have wanted? It would have been the biggest battle

Based on the timing it is clear Davies is talking about a crossover with Star Trek Enterprise. Although the idea of a pastiche sounds interesting, it is pretty unlikely that Paramount would have a full crossover. Although there has been a crossover in the comics (Marvel Star Trek meet X-Men), Trek has kept the TV and film franchise pure, although there have been plenty of references to other franchises, including a number of Doctor Who refs.

Of course the reverse is also true and over the years there have been a number of Star Trek references on Doctor Who (see the Doctor Who Wiki for a full list). One of the funnier ones was from Davies first season on the show, when The Doctor is referred to as Mr. Spock (see below, go to 1:15 in the clip below).

The revised edition of "Doctor Who: The Writer’s Take" can be pre-ordered at Amazon.

 

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HelloGirls
January 10, 2010 6:57 pm

The tone of the two show is so different, its hard to imagine a crossover or pastiche working but it is fun to think about.

DonDonP1
January 10, 2010 7:04 pm

Cool. Although, “Star Trek” is owned by CBS while “Doctor Who” is owned by the BBC. Let’s hope CBS would revive “Star Trek: Enterprise” in either 2010 or 2011 the way the Fox network revived “Family Guy” back in 2005.

ryanhuyton
January 10, 2010 7:09 pm

Both properties are owned by two different studios so it was never going to happen. Same reasons why there was never going to be the much anticipated and hoped for cross-over between “Star Wars” and “Star Trek”.

I was surprised though, to hear that Davies wanted to do a crossover with “Enterprise”.

January 10, 2010 7:09 pm

Yes but in 2004/2005 Star Trek was owned by Paramount, CBS got it after the Viacom Split

Christine
January 10, 2010 7:15 pm

“…5. Speaking of which, back in 2004, a Doctor Who/Star Trek crossover was seriously on their list of plans, until Enterprise was axed….”

Yet another reason I continue to hold a grudge against the people who decided that Enterprise needed to end after four very short seasons… The list seems to be growing every day for me. How ’bout that?

But, at least I still have new Doctor Who to watch every Saturday night. And at least Enterprise still shows repeats. :3

ryanhuyton
January 10, 2010 7:22 pm

#5 At least “Enterprise” lasted 4 seasons. 1 season longer than “The Original Series”. “These Are The Voyages….” aside, it also went out on a high note creatively. Also, a lot of shows don’t make it past 1or 2 episodes, nevermind 1 season. A couple of points for you to take at least some comfort in. :-)

January 10, 2010 7:24 pm

Trek is simply not expansive and weird enough to embrace the extravagantly entertaining wonderfulness of Davies version of “Doctor Who.”

The Trek refs in “The Empty Child” were marvelous, though.

“Gimme some Spock!”

January 10, 2010 7:25 pm

We did get it of sorts thanks to Kelvington.

Trek Through Time

Part I http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JhAPkkLgtI
Part II http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y4I0fT6SU0
Part III http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERhu7LUxprs
Conclusion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M47diM41nA

Enjoy!!

-cs™

John in Canada, eh?
January 10, 2010 7:40 pm

Tom Baker’s Doctor appeared on the Enterprise – at least, in a novel. Diane Duane’s “My Enemy, My Ally,” if I’m not mistaken — though it’s as a hologram of sorts, as someone is converting old videos into 3-D versions on the Rec Deck. Great scene.

Christine
January 10, 2010 7:53 pm

#6 :: Yeah… Well… I dunno. It just makes me mad. For the spinoff Star Trek series, I’ve noticed that even DS9 and TNG (maybe VOY) didn’t get their bearings until the 3rd or 4th season, like Enterprise.

I just get annoyed. It’s happened to a LOT of my favourite TV shows. I can’t say my feelings about TOS, since I wasn’t born until about… 23 years later, but it was kind of the opposite. Season 3 isn’t regarded as that great, with the exception of just a few episodes. It’s a shame, but it is what it is.

Richard NJ
January 10, 2010 8:15 pm

Star Trek Voyager would have been a much better fit for a Star Trek/Doctor Who crossover. I can imagine two Doctors (neither human) and a confused Janeway. LOL

January 10, 2010 8:27 pm

The thing about Doctor Who is, it really, actually, genuinely came back — and then some! Doctor Who on the air on a weekly basis, plus more spinoff and tie-in programming than it’s sane to keep track of: Torchwood, Sarah Jane Adventures, Doctor Who Confidential, Torchwood Declassified, Totally Doctor Who! Plus specials, three regular high-quality magazines, and so on.

That’s what it looks like when a TV show comes back. Just for reference.

Star Trek got a new tie-in movie. [blows tiny leftover New Years Eve noisemaker]

Smike van Dyke
January 10, 2010 9:14 pm

I would die for a Trek / Who crossover!!! Please do that and make my day. I would go for a TOS setting, probably the Doctor arriving in the new timeline, on the new version of the bridge…

Doctor: “What? What? What?…Whaat???”
*Doctor Who opening theme*
Doctor: “That’s not right! That’s just not right! That’s not THE Enterprise I remember! And what are you doing at the com station, Martha Jones?”
Nero: “The wait is over, Doctor!”

and later:

Doctor: “That’s an awesome sonic screwdriver you’ve got there!”
McCoy: “If you are a doctor, can you hold this?”
Doctor: “I’m a Time Lord, not a physician.”

LOL

Tori
January 10, 2010 9:46 pm

Actually, I think Doctor Who would fit right in with one of the funnier episodes of Star Trek – say, something with the tone of a Tribble episode, or a Holodeck misadventure. (People don’t give enough credit to Trek being funny, which is too bad, because I think the humor is one of the things that sets it apart from other franchises.)

I would have done the Tenth Doctor in San Francisco 1986, trying to clean up after the crew of the Enterprise saving the Whales. It would be completely madcap and fitting for both series. Though I seriously doubt that Paramount or BBC would front the money for that.

Steve
January 11, 2010 1:26 am

Yet another reason why I and so many others are glad that gob shite writer is gone from Doctor Who now.
This would have been up there alongside Hitler invading Russia in the history of bad ideas destined to fail.
What utter tripe.

captain_neill
January 11, 2010 1:26 am

It would have been an awesome crossover.

Star Trek is my favourite show of all time and Doctor Who is my second favourite show.

So both shows being my favourites it would be fun to see a crossover.

captain_neill
January 11, 2010 2:41 am

Thing is new Doctor Who follows on from classic Doctor Who so fits in with the same continuity.

Unfortunatley with Star Trek it has now been shifted into a parallel universe, so its not canon per se but rather new canon.

January 11, 2010 3:19 am

#17: “Unfortunatley with Star Trek it has now been shifted into a parallel universe, so its not canon per se but rather new canon.”

Well, it’s not like the Trek canon didn’t already _have_ parallel universes in it. The Red Matter Universe is just one more to toss on the pile, really. It’s like the Mirror Universe, but with laxer morals and fewer goatees :)

captain_neill
January 11, 2010 3:24 am

I know that and I love the Mirror Universe episodes in Trek.

What I meant was that it is a shame that we wont have any movies or TV shows in the Prime Univerese for a while now. But a least there is Star Trek Online and novels.

I am happy for the new Trek to exist alongside the universe we know and love as another paralle universe.

I do treat the new movie as another parallel universe, was just commenting that its a shame there wont be any movies or TV shows in the Prime reality for a while.

Know whatI mean?

captain_neill
January 11, 2010 3:28 am

I will like the parallel univere in the new movie, no doubt about that.

Just I still love the prime universe. But I am glad they are still running side by side, which it should be doing.

captain_neill
January 11, 2010 3:29 am

but was stating that because it is a parallel universe its new canon if that makes sense.

January 11, 2010 3:50 am

John Byrne apparently also pitched an idea for a Star Trek/Doctor Who crossover comic, featuring Gary Seven and The Doctor. But the BBC turned it down.

Nick Cook
January 11, 2010 4:00 am

Rather glad this never happened. Just not my cup of tea at all.

screaming satellite
January 11, 2010 4:39 am

12 – id take a series of big budget movies every few years (like 1979-1986) over all that again thanks

Trek did all that oversaturation stuff from 1993 up til about 2002 and look what happened in the end…CANCELLED

re DR WHO – wasnt the TNG season 5 ep A MATTER OF TIME with Max Headroom supposed to be a Who crossover at first? – but then got worked into what it became (like if a guy killed the Dr and stole his Tardis)..i think i recall reading that somewhere – maybe it was in the TNG Companion?

kinda of suprised it isnt mentioned in the Memory alpha stuff as that the first WHO/Trek thing that came to mind (unless i imagined it)

Tom R
January 11, 2010 5:07 am

Try petititon CBS to bring Enterprise, I think it would be mroe of a success of TV now than it did 5 years ago.
Besides a crossover between these two shows would no doubt bring in a lot of money for both CBS and BBC, whether people like the idea or not they will watch it, no doubt.

MikeTen
January 11, 2010 5:49 am

Somebody correct me if I am wrong (and I know someone will ;) ) but wasn’t Star trek Enterprise more popular in Great Britian than here in the US?
With Scott Bakula on a new show I doubt CBS could get him back for a renewed series but maybe some direct to dvd movies like what is being done with Stargate SG-1.
A TV movie might hurt the feature films with people saying why pay to see Trek when you can watch it on TV for free.

January 11, 2010 5:52 am

I’ve given Star Trek meets Doctor Who a go with my little amature fan film series. If you keep the plotting and crossovers simple, it works out okay. Then again, in the clip below I changed ‘Gallifrey’ to ‘Iconia’ to make things a but more Trek-y.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahfyGe0-yMw – a recent episode.

Not that I do blatant advertising. :P

Daoud
January 11, 2010 6:07 am

@8 The Kelvington series is fun, but the story is… “huh?”. In the hands of a good novelist…. perhaps they could clarify what’s going on along the way.

earthclanbootstrap
January 11, 2010 6:09 am

@ #6. ryanhuyton -” “These Are The Voyages….” aside, it also went out on a high note creatively. ”

What is this “These Are The Voyages” you speak of? Enterprise ended with an absolutely superb two parter involving Trip and T’Pol’s child. I know nothing of this “These Are The Voyages”!
;-)

January 11, 2010 6:36 am

#25: “Trek did all that oversaturation stuff from 1993 up til about 2002 and look what happened in the end…CANCELLED.”

And it’s _still_ canceled. That’s the point. It’s not back.

Tom R
January 11, 2010 6:45 am

Yes enterprise was more popular in Britain and as to Scott Bakula doing another TV show it is possible he could also do enterprise again but it is all down to his shooting schedule.

And as its been said yes enterprise has been cancelled but anything is possible it’s just getting the attention of CBS/Paramount, Star Trek’s a hot property for them once again.

LJ
January 11, 2010 6:48 am

Imagine that Future Guy was….The Master! Now that would rock. Who would have fitted perfectly with the Temporal Cold War, especially as New Who regularly references its own Time War. What if they were part of the same sequence of events, connected towards time and space. The Time Lords and the Federation vs. the Suliban, the Daleks and Future Guy (The Master).

It could have worked very well

SerenityActual
January 11, 2010 6:49 am

As much as l love both of the franchises, I am so glad this never happened.

LJ
January 11, 2010 6:50 am

Connected ‘through’ time and space that should read. Got too over-excited. Pardon me.

Smike van Dyke
January 11, 2010 7:02 am

@33: That idea ROCKS! AWESOME!
And there was that freakin’ TCW 2nd Season Episode with that timeshio that was BIGGER ON THE INSIDE! Another TARDIS?
Oh please, please…that Time War / TCW crossover would actually work!

Smike van Dyke
January 11, 2010 7:09 am

OMG…Daniels was a TIME LORD! WTF…Daniels was another incarnation of the DOCTOR! I’m losing it…completely! :)
I hadn’t even known Doctor Who when ENT was on. I started with the new show 2006 but that would be so overwhelmingly awesome…totally frecked up timelines and stuff…finally canon would be flushed out of the airlock for good…EPIC!

Cousin Itt
January 11, 2010 7:16 am

Love #33’s idea. And although I know there are plenty of folks who don’t care for Russell T. Davies, I think he would be an awesome showrunner if and when Trek returns to TV. His mastery of canon on Doctor Who was brilliant. C’mon – lets see what happens in the prime universe after Romulus is destroyed…

2012 – after the next movie – put it on Showtime – Make 13 60-Minute episodes – TV Gold.

captain_neill
January 11, 2010 7:48 am

The Time War and Temporal Cold War are two cool time travel phrases I love

Buzz Cagney
January 11, 2010 9:15 am

Good god, what a ghastly idea. For so many reasons.

weeharry
January 11, 2010 9:37 am

i thought the scene towards the end of part 2 of the recent doctor who specials – bernard cribbins (wilf) was outside the radiation booth when the doctor was trapped inside – was very reminiscent of spock’s final scene in wrath of khan

locutus
January 11, 2010 10:07 am

This would have been awsome! It would work it if was on a dr who episode better than on a star trek episode.

If they dont get a chance to do this they should do a dr who/red dwarf cross over (they were both owned by bbc)

wickedjacob
January 11, 2010 10:20 am

28 — guffaw. just guffaw.

January 11, 2010 10:53 am

Another hair-brained idea from RTD. Good riddance to him.

January 11, 2010 11:28 am

Rassilon Daniels!

It could work… note also the frequent rumour (on Galifrey Base messageboard) that Sir Patrick might appear on Dr Who.

I would think that Paramount or CBS or whoever the heck owns the ailing franchise would leap at the chance for a crossover with a show that regularly pulls in 40% of a nation’s TV viewers (12.7 million)

Desstruxion
January 11, 2010 11:37 am

Maybe a good villain for the next Trek movie would be the Cybermen. They could be a lost sect of the Borg. Then we could throw the Cylons (the original one’s) into the mix.

Smike van Dyke
January 11, 2010 12:02 pm

@45: So say we all! :)

January 11, 2010 12:35 pm

@45: I think the Dr Who fan base would gladly swap you the Borg for the Cybermen… we’d throw in a Cyberking for free!

Randy H.
January 11, 2010 1:11 pm

A Trek crossover with Dr. Who? Fortunately, the massive legal issues on content ownership and control would have made – and if the Fates are kind always will make – such a thing unlikely.

SB
January 11, 2010 1:17 pm

Having been an observer of the fan scene for a good three decades, I’m still unable to decide which group of fundamentalist diehards is further out of its collective tiny little mind — Trek fans or Who fans.

Call it a draw.

I’ve loved every minute of Russell Davies’ tenure on Doctor Who, and I still can’t grasp the endless nasty, mean-spirited, ungrateful, downright vicious griping about it. Any more than i can grasp the same stuff coming from the Abrams-haters. Without RTD and JJA, your beloved franchises would be still be rotted, stinking corpses. Instead, Doctor Who is — short of Coronation Street — the most successful television series in British pop culture history, and Star Trek is once again a viable, popular, successful entity with a whole new lease on life Do you folks think you could stop grumbling just long enough to show a little gratitude?

No?

Didn’t think so.

Olley Olley Olley
January 11, 2010 1:38 pm

a joke concept guys for crying out loud, RTD is full of them and likes to “air” them occasionally just to get the fan-boys into a tissy, and it always works….. Just look at the reactions on this thread, lol.
but seriously,
could you imagine the politics and logistics to try and create an episode like that?

maybe you don’t

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