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Star Trek Writer Roberto Orci Reveals Personal Connection To Spock July 1, 2010

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Orci/Kurtzman,Star Trek (2009 film) , trackback

Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman have in the past spoken about how they see Kirk and Spock as akin to other famous working partnerships, especially John Lennon and Paul McCartney. They have also said that they have seen a parallel with their own working partnership. But on Wednesday Bob Orci revealed that his connection to Spock goes even deeper.

 

Orci draws parallel to his life experience and Spock

As he often does, Roberto Orci (aka ‘boborci’) has been frequenting the talkback threads here at TrekMovie, interacting with the fans and even addressing concerns from some ardent critics. On Wednesday one commenter (CS Lewis) suggested that for the sequel Bob "tell us what you’ve learned in your life. Present a challenge that you’ve overcome, or perhaps someone dear to you has overcome, and use the vastness of the Star Trek lore to tell it in a way that makes us see it clearly". And Bob replied, saying that he has actually already called upon his real life experiences as an immigrant (born in Mexico) to help write for the character of Spock in the 2009 Star Trek movie:

boborci: I used that very technique on first one to track the life of Spock, who was born to parents from different cultures, as I was, and who was raised on a different planet, much as I was raised in a different country, faced racism, like I did, and had to learn the language and customs of his adoptive culture (Earth, the Federation), as I had to learn English and the ways of the USA.

Inspiration also derived from my mother’s family, who were exiled from Cuba when Castro took over. Her home, in a sense, destroyed by a single figure. And my grandfather on Dad’s side was Diplomat, like Spocks father.

My dad expected a much more serious career for me at first. When I dropped out of college (Vulcan Science Academy) to pursue a writing career (movie Starfleet) he did not think it was logical.


Roberto Orci drew on his past to relate to and write the role of Spock in "Star Trek"

Comments

1. Tom - July 1, 2010

Oh, that’s spot on. Watched Trek again the other day with my 2 1/2 year old son. He likes it quite a bit,. Nice change of pace to get him to watch a different Trek than The Final Frontier.

2. somethoughts - July 1, 2010

That is why Star Trek 2009 worked so well, look at the layers of depth written into the characters. Much love Bob, thanks for sharing!

3. Startrekker - July 1, 2010

Thanks for sharing bob that is so inspired

4. S. John Ross - July 1, 2010

I think an important difference is that Bob looks a LOT less Photoshopped than Spock (and that’s a good difference; keep it real, Bob).

5. DJT - July 1, 2010

Thank you for sharing, sir.

6. Dom - July 1, 2010

You see, I don’t see Kirk and Spock as a ‘pairing.’ I see the core of Trek as being Kirk, Spock and McCoy. It’s a credit to the subtlety of Deforest Kelley’s performance that it is often overlooked. But it was Bones who could truly see into Kirk and Spock. Remember Bones’ and Jim’s conversation on Jim’s birthday in TWOK or (and I can’t remember the ep title now) Bones’ conversation with Spock about Spock’s fears when they’re imprisoned on a planet in TOS.

Kirk and Spock could be a pair and frequently were, but Bones could be teamed up with either of them just as easily. And I don’t see Bones as a George or Ringo in the team.

7. somethoughts - July 1, 2010

Bones was the cream that held the cookies together does this make linedon the cream now that hes 3rd person helping with script? Hehe

8. somethoughts - July 1, 2010

*lindelof

9. The First Son of Krypton - July 1, 2010

Great story and fascinating insight into one of my heroes, bob orci.

I onder if anyhing more of his life will get put into Spock next time round, I was happy that the last movie focused a little more on Spock then Kirk as I feel that Spock was and is the focal point of TOS. It was his “outsider looking in” that brought depth to Trek… I can’t wait to see more of his development

oh, and of course PLEASE more Bones :p

10. P Technobabble - July 1, 2010

Very insightful, and a closer look at how writers “come up with their ideas.” The personal touch did a lot for the Spock character… and the fact that Orci is willing to talk about it says a lot about his character. Well done, Bob!

11. Anthony Thompson - July 1, 2010

Bob, I hope you don’t keep women like Zoe at a distance as Spock does. : D

12. Jim Nightshade - July 1, 2010

Thanks for the insight on bobs creative process-cool parellels to bobs real life too-who says the American dream of coming to america and following your dreams is dead-bob and his family did it! Congrats Mr Orci sir and thank you again for sharing n caring n keep up the fantastic great inspiration and work! We trek fans luv ya!

13. Jim Nightshade - July 1, 2010

Also i am a bit dis-illusioned lately-never been outta work for over nine months before–being in yer fifties and having more health problems does not make it any easier but bob and his families success stories help me to feel better n help me to realize hard work n inspiration can be rewarded here in America–its hard to remember to keep the faith n dont give up sometimes–never give up never surrender heheh

14. Schultz - July 1, 2010

In my view those were the aspects of the plot that actually worked best. (At least for me.) Fascinating. But it’s commonly known that authors mostly write about what they themselves know best. Question: since there are so many (great!) films about filmmaking and Hollywood, does that mean that many screenwriters don’t have any real experiences other than their life in the film industry? ;)

15. I'm Dead Jim! - July 1, 2010

Thank you for sharing that, Bob.I deeply respect what you’ve gone through as well as your love of Trek. I hope to see more of that depth in your next Trek installment.

Now, if you could get Photoshopped like the Spock image above, that would be hilarious!

16. MorbidGorn - July 1, 2010

Very cool story that I can sort of relate to.

My parents were exiled from Cuba as well. However, I had it easier because I was born in the USA.

Thanks for sharing Bob, now get back to work on that sequel! :)

17. Valenti - July 1, 2010

It sucks that you had to go through all that, and you have my deepest respect for turning those experiences into something great.

18. Charla - July 1, 2010

Simply, incredible.

Thanks Bob for sharing that part of your life with us in such a positive manner. You are an inspiration to others even more so knowing this about your experiences.

It is inspirational hearing you prevailed in fullfilling your dream of writing, and we are fortunate to get to hear your great stories!

Thank you for not giving in or giving up and keep it coming! :D

19. Trek Nerd Central - July 1, 2010

Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations. Thanks and take care, Bob.

20. CmdrR - July 1, 2010

Some of TOS Spock’s best moments are when the audience gets to see just how BS his veneer of logic is. And I don’t mean when he’s been taken over by sunflowers or glowy balls, but scenes like in Galileo 7 or Journey to Babel or the very end of Devil in the Dark.

It’s good to let the audience in on the characters’ inner life. Hope to see some of that in the next flick.

Oh, but no more spit-swapping on the transporter pad. C’mon you two, get a turbo-lift!

21. Oz - July 1, 2010

Bob, sending out waves of respect your way. These Spock parallels are intriguing. Wishing you, Alex, and Damon smooth sailing as you construct the screenplay for the next movie.

22. Hugh Hoyland - July 1, 2010

I take it that Bob is Paul and Alex is Lennon. :} Strawberry Fields forever.

23. Marc McKenzie - July 1, 2010

Interesting…Bob, thanks for talking about this.

And yet there are still those who complain that Trek 2009 is all sizzle and no steak…I guess they wanted the “themes” to be pounded into their heads with a ball-peen hammer instead of being delivered in a subtle manner.

At any rate, congrats, Bob, on your continued success. You’ve gone into the trenches and sucked up them bullets, and that’s something a lot of your critics on the ‘Net have NEVER done.

24. www.chrisfawkes.com - July 1, 2010

Loved the new trek. Very well written and really captured much of what had been lost. It felt like Trek again.

25. Buzz Cagney - July 1, 2010

The secret to good writing- write about what you know!

26. David P - July 1, 2010

Fascinating……

27. Trek Lady - July 1, 2010

It is always interesting to get a little glimpse into the creative process. Thanks for sharing.

28. Jesustrek - July 1, 2010

Vaya interesante Bob gracias por compartir, Saludos cabron ;)

29. Green-Blooded-Bastard - July 1, 2010

I can draw a parallel too…I was out in Fort Lauderdale the other day (a foreign country to me as I speak no Spanish), and met this girl who called me a gringo (racism) and I took her back to my place (Earth) and she was green (in parts) so I didn’t touch her. I escape-podded her back to her moon (taxi).

30. Bobby - July 1, 2010

I think a lot of “geeks” identify with Spock, growing up, although clearly not in as many ways as Bob Orci does.

I know I always felt a connection to Spock when I was a kid / teen years ago. Even though I’m just your typical white male American, I always felt like an outsider in my own culture, growing up. Spock was definitely an inspiration. Its not just because geeks are “smarter” or more logical, although that’s part of it. I think a bigger part is just our struggle to “fit in” – particularly in adolescence.

I suspect a lot of people on this board would agree and have similar stories.

I think that’s why the Spock character has so much more lasting appeal than the other TOS characters.

Also, I think that’s why the “outsider” character became so central to the Trek formula on subsequent shows. Its not just because the “outsider” shows us a unique view of humanity from the outside, which was sort of the standard explanation the writers gave, but also because a substantial portion of the viewing audience are geeks and nerds who feel that they are outsiders too, and they tend to identify with that character.

Its very cool that Trek is now in the hands of a writer who “grew up Spock.”

31. cpelc - July 1, 2010

“I was born a poor Spock child…” – The Jerk(trekified)

32. stealing the enterprise - July 1, 2010

im so glad you are in charge of the future of star trek. i too have the same parallels. everything ive read, seen and heard leads me to believe that you and your excellent team of producers has what it takes to not only make a great movie but a great star trek movie. hats off to you bob!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

im soooo happy you brought my heros back to life for me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

33. DS9 IN PRIME TIME - July 1, 2010

Bob looks like a poor mans spock. Lots of resembelance, but longer hair, unshaved face and no star fleet uniform. His ears though look kinda pointy in that pic.

34. moauvian waoul - July 1, 2010

Great story Bob. Inspirational even.

35. moauvian waoul - July 1, 2010

30. Geeks are smarter?

36. CAPT KRUNCH - July 1, 2010

fascinating…..god I hate that picture of Spock.. the airbrush look!
I wonder if Bob ever beat the crap out of JJ during filming?

37. British Naval Dude - July 1, 2010

Awwwwwwwwwk! Bob Orci’s here! Bob Orci’s here! If I knews ye’ wuz’ comin’ I’dda baked a cake… wit’ gin…

Thanke’ fur’ sharin’, Bob. Spock indeed did stand oot’ as a well written character in tha’ film and I does appreciate that. Both old and young… Prime and… uhhhhhh… what do we’s calls tha’ second Spock? Past-Prime? Anyways, thanke’ fur’ tha’ fun o’ tha’ film.

I haves me a personal connection ta’ Starry Trek as well… like tha’ mighty tribble all I e’er does is eats and drinks and essentially lies around all tha’ time makin’ cooin’ noises…

Haven’t reproduced yet… much ta’ tha’ relief o’ society…

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr…

38. moauvian waoul - July 1, 2010

BND = Tribble
slowly it’s all starting to make sense.

39. Jorg Sacul - July 1, 2010

I think that one of the constant appeals of TOS is that there are characters that we can relate to– they have problems, we have problems. They solve things, usually heroically, we aspire to do that. We don’t watch Trek to see our heroes on their “off” days where nothing goes right. Sometimes they have downfalls, but that makes our heroes more accessable to us.

Bob, if it took parallels to Spock to get you where you are, I think it worked out pretty great for all concerned. I’m looking forward to more of your work.

Live long and prosper! :)

40. gingerly - July 1, 2010

Oh wow, that’s really cool. :)
Thanks for sharing that.

41. virgin vulcan basement nerd - July 1, 2010

That’s neat. I didn’t know any of that about Mr Orci. I’m impressed! All this time I thought he was just a… who only has… with… Oh, never mind.

Bob Orci is the man! The super airbrushed Spock looks like a woman. hehe.

42. S. John Ross - July 1, 2010

#30: “I think a lot of “geeks” identify with Spock, growing up”

Probably around a third … I’ve always felt that the reason that the trinity resonates so strongly in fandom is that each of us have our “self-ID” character somewhere in there. Me, since I was very young I’ve always identified with Leonard McCoy. I know other McCoys, lots of Spocks and lots of Kirks as well, pretty much in equal measure among my friends (men and women alike).

43. OneBuckFilms - July 1, 2010

30, 42 – I identify with Spock in some ways.

I definately have his shared affinity for computers, and a degree of curiosity.

I can actually thank Spock for getting me interested in Computers when I was about 9 (I think).

Seeing him work the Library Computer on the Bridge to solve problems, and using Logic to figure things out are basically what I do when I’m looking at bug reports and code.

He also showed me, in a way, that I don’t have to be like everyone else to be accepted, or to find my place.

44. RTC - July 1, 2010

Most writers tap the pain and angst of their own lives when weaving it into their creative work, but few have the courage to discuss it openly. Thanks for being that courageous, Mr. Orci. Our benefit from your openness is multi-faceted — in knowing you better, and in getting a great Trek movie!

45. ProteusXeos - July 1, 2010

This is very much why he is such an amazing writer, and why I follow his work – Sci-Fi or not.

46. Cygnus-X1 - July 1, 2010

!Vulcan libre! (la bebida que no existe)

47. Rach - July 1, 2010

We love you @boborci!

48. Rick - July 1, 2010

Ciao Roberto Orci, I know that you are a little italian too. Are you watching the soccer world cup? What do you think of the poor performance of the italian team? Maybe Maradona’s Argentina will will the cup. Just curious if you were a soccer fan or not. In any case, I’m a great admirer of your work and I think that is wonderful and amazing that you find time to interact with fans. Best wishes, Rick

49. Rick - July 1, 2010

“will will” = “will win” :)

50. Boborci - July 1, 2010

48. Yeah, soccer fan. Futbol!

When will USA catch the bug?

51. Bill Peters - July 1, 2010

Your Spock Reminds me a lot of people who suffer from High Functioning Autism Bob Orci like me, the Spock Prime and Data also remind me of people I know too. Also hope to see Klingon’s and Gorn in the next Flim and also could you possibly get a Nurse Chapel on Screen?

Can’t wait to see what you give us for 2012!

52. Scruffy the Janitor/Vampire Slayer - July 1, 2010

Bob.O : Now that you’re a millionaire, how does your dad feel?

In any case, nice story.

I appreciate that you identify with Spock. You and Nimoy have similar stories. Did you ever ask him about his experiences with anti-semitism?

has anyone noticed how the only religion in TOS is Vulcan Mysticism? And how it’s very heavily influenced by Nimoy’s Judaism? (which makes me wonder about Nick Meyer not wanting to direct Trek 3 citing “resurrection” issues, a real head scratcher )

Shatner included nods to his Jewish roots in his books.

Kirk should be Catholic or maybe Anglican considering his Scotch/Irish American roots, but he still writes him Jewish! :)

Please keep Spock & most Vulcans “Jewish” if you can. Most of the humor in the TOS shows were Jewish one liners. Even the reference to George & Gracie in Trek 4 was an allusion to old school humor.

Good luck Bob.O!

53. Lousy Canadian - July 1, 2010

Wow! We all have a connection to someone from Star Trek one way or another, but what Bob has is definitely special. Very sharp!

54. Scruffy the Janitor/Vampire Slayer - July 1, 2010

One more thing BoB,

I know I’ve given you grief over technical aspects like how warp drive folds space, and childish things like R2D2 in Trek, but I’ve never given you grief over the STORY or the Characters.

I want you to make the best movie ever, not just the best “Star trek” movie.

Cheers

55. boborci - July 1, 2010

I don’t intend to make my story sound special. As is clear from the posts, so many of us relate to Spock for equally and various and valid reasons. I hope you will understand, therefore, why the man who we consider to be the moral center of Trek (Spock/Nimoy) had to be a key part of the movie. Not only to give his blessing, but to connect our movie to all of previous Trek.

Mr. Nimoy has lived long and prospered. May he live even longer and continue to prosper.

56. Chas - July 1, 2010

I loved ST 2009 Bob.
I love the primacy of the Kirk Spock McCoy trinity. The Spock Uhura thing worked great.
Please let’s not have bigger badder villains. Just an ordinary one will do.
I love the balance between action and drama.
I love how Star Trek can stand still and be at its finest. Explosions should not be de rigeur, though I do enjoy them. The Kelvin scene was perfect.

I want to see the thoughtful unfolding of the relationships. There shouldn’t be a rush to complete the characters, as they were in TOS. They are still fresh from the academy, and there are a lot of things going on there, not just on the Enterprise. You achieved these objectives the first time around, and it was good. We didn’t get to see a very reflective Kirk in ’09. We caught a glimmer at the shipyard. The romantic visionary one. I would like to see that unfold. The Kirk of By Any Other Name and Mirror, Mirror. A Kirk who gets anxious, but never loses his cool.

I studied Russian and when I heard Chekhov’s line something “moyo” after the succesful beam up I cracked up. It means something like f*** me, as when you have surprised yourself. The perfect line. In Russian it’s a pretty bawdy line,so it’s no wonder it got a big reaction in with Russian audiences.

I loved the reflective and conflicted Spock. I can see now why it was so credible and relevant, as it resembles your own personal experience.

I wonder when his next pon farr is and how it might manifest itself. I wonder how climate change will affect humanity in the future, or how it might be the engine to our evolution, or how natural selection will be supplanted by artificial/engineered selection. I wonder aboput the vastness and emptiness of space, and the rare little oases that are Earthlike planets….but I digress. Keep the plot simple; it’s ok if we see the arc right away, it’s all in the screenplay and relationships and acting. We can savor it better that way. It takes a lot of energy for an audience to buy into convoluted time travel plots, though you did an awesome job with it because it made so much sense for the reboot.
I hope you enjoy and cherish your wonderful success, you deserve it.

57. The Original Spock's Brain - July 2, 2010

@Boborci, I had a inkling that you had tapped into something from your personal experience; all good writers do.

When I arrived in the U.S. as a little boy from Mexico in the 1970s, “Star Trek” reruns helped me learn English. Of course, I could immediately relate to the “alien” Mr. Spock.

58. rogue_alice - July 2, 2010

#57: I must say Spock helped me with my vocabulary at an early age. Though not an immigrant, I connected with Spock on many levels. I always felt alienated from the group. An observer.

I always valued Spock’s ability to keep his emotions in check. Having lost my Dad at 9 I felt I had to manage my grief in order to focus on the future of our remaining family. In hindsight, that was not the best course but it seemed to work at the time.

When Spock would falter and drop is stoic facade it was cathartic for me, in a way, to see that it was, at times, okay to let go and let out the parts of me I had locked away.

I felt so sorry for Spock at times. Specifically that he was separate and that he could never “feel” the closeness of another. I think I was taken back when the new movie showed him to have a relationship of depth (with Uhura). That has grown on me…somewhat.

I was devastated when Amanda died. I felt the gut pain of losing a parent in a manner for which you had no control. No way to save them. And losing them in an instant where everything that had gone before…changed in a second. I would have loved to see Amanda live and grow to old age to see her relationship with her half-human son. But, I understand the immediate concerns of plot. My wish is probably motivated by “what have beens” with regard to my personal situation.

If I have learned anything else from Spock, it is to make sure you know what you are talking about when you open your mouth. Seriously, when Spock makes a comment or observation (the Nimoy Spock) it was a time to stop and listen. He rarely shared an insight of little value. And his humor was quite refreshing when excercised. My favorite line from the movie (Quinto’s Spock) is “Out of the chair.”

Rattled on…but Spock is role model and I thank LNimoy for that. He solidly set the bar for creating and growing his character of Spock.

59. Red-Shirted Monkey - July 2, 2010

Anyone with any inkling of knowledge regarding Spock would know that Spock would never hook up with Uhura anywhere or anytime within the multiverse.

Two words of advice for the next movie: Script Consultant

60. Boborci - July 2, 2010

59. It’s canon now that he would. No consultant could’ve ever prevented that.

61. vzx - July 2, 2010

I also identify the most with Spock. Neat.

62. stealing the enterprise - July 2, 2010

im not a math major but i do have a good understanding of M theory. regarding parallel universes the theory goes something like this. there are an infinite number of parallel universes and so there are an infinite number of possibilities. so in some universe somewhere this does happen. star trek TNG addressed this theory in an episode called “parallels”.

this is why bob is the man and why he understands star trek.

star trek to me is science theory not fiction. the stories are fiction but all of the science has been as up to date as what we believe to be the facts of the universe are.

time travel is no longer believed to be linear.

63. Charla - July 2, 2010

#55, boborci, you are amazing and, amazingly grounded and humble. I think I can speak for the majority of Star Trek fans here on this site that we appreciate you taking the time to share your thoughts and for keeping us up to date on your projects, and how they come to be.

May you Live Long and Prosper!

64. Scruffy the Janitor/Vampire Slayer - July 2, 2010

59: You never read the interview that Nichelle Nichols gave in the 80s where she explicitly states that:

A. Uhura would follow Kirk anywhere
&
B. Uhura is in love with Spock

Nimoy states in “I Am Spock” that it was the responsibility of the actor to maintain his or her character. Nimoy states, “The actor is the keeper of the character.” Therefore Nimoy is the ultimate authority on Spock, and logically, that means Nichols is the ultimate authority on Uhura.

Bob.O finally made it happen.

I’m wondering if Majel would consider Chapel to be even slightly jealous. ;)

62: Azimov believed that time travel was only possible into the future, but that time, like the universe is spherical in shape and it would be possible to go forward enough to back in the past, using the analogy of tracing your finger around a circular kitchen table and ending up back where you started…

65. Red-Shirted Monkey - July 3, 2010

The Spock/Uhura relationship was an unimaginative, cheap device to create conflict between the Kirk and Spock characters. It was needlessly unfaithful to the original series. Citing canon ex post facto to justify the error represents laughable hubris.

66. somethoughts - July 3, 2010

#65

I believe the relationship was created to allow Quinto Spock to show his emotional side. Kirk and Quinto Spock were not friends at that time, the Uhura relationship was crucial to show the audience how vulnerable and compromised Quinto Spock was. Quinto Spock he needed a shoulder to cry on.

67. Boborci - July 3, 2010

65. Except it caused zero conflict between them. Try again.

68. Boborci - July 3, 2010

65. On the contrary, it brought them together. They both trusted her enough to convince Pike that threat to Vulcan was real.

69. Boborci - July 3, 2010

65. You don’t have to respond just to respond. When someone points out the fault in your logic, there is mo shame in keeping quiet. Take the day off

Happy 4th. .

70. dmduncan - July 3, 2010

As neither an atheist nor a materialist, I thought the Vulcan mysticism of ST3 one of the refreshing parts of the movie. That’s probably also why my skin crawls when some try to explain the Kirk/Spock meeting in a cave in ST.09 as too much of a coincidence.

That estimation depends very much on one’s philosophy which, even in Star Trek, needn’t be exclusively scientific.

Just as people experience coincidences that are just too bizarre to happen, but do; just as people have experiences that fall outside the acceptable narrative about what is and is not supposed to be possible in the world — why should the characters in Star Trek, really reflections of ourselves here and now, not also have those experiences? And why should they need explication? They remain mysteries in the world. Why should they not also remain so there?

Too much emphasis on science, and not enough emphasis on feeling and philosophy, would turn Star Trek into something a Cray supercomputer could formulaically compose in a moment.

71. VZX - July 3, 2010

I identify with Spock for some similar reasons to Orci. I was raised in a very cold, unemotional German family. My wife, an Italian from Queens, NY, helped to bring out the emotional side in me. I have always had that emotional vs logical battle within me like Spock..

That, and I also majored in physics and work in that field.

72. Red-Shirted Monkey - July 3, 2010

The Uhura relationship plays a role in the Kirk/Spock rivalry by allowing Kirk to recognize that Spock had succeeded where he had failed (in winning her affection), and thus earning a modicum of respect. What is the payoff for this bastardization of beloved, classic characters? A groan-inducing, dry-humping, transporter pad scene.

Modified advice for the sequel: Script Consultants (plural)

Happy 4th

73. somethoughts - July 3, 2010

#72

Imagine no spock uhura romance, spock wouldnt have had the opportunity to show his emotional side. You need that element of love n sorrow, and wouldnt have worked with spock crying alone. New universe, why cant spock get the girl for a change? :)

74. dmduncan - July 4, 2010

Kirk is the hero of the franchise. What does HE get? The SHIP???

That would be a twisted and empty and answer that makes Kirk look like some dysfunctional freak who loves some sterile object more than he ever could another person.

I was glad to see Kirk’s immature fallibility in ST.09. It was great. But I would be disappointed in the next film if I do not see him turn more into what he needs to be that people would follow him.

EVERYbody is conflicted like Spock is, in some way or another.

In that regard, Spock is who we are. Kirk is who we want to be. Unless, among other things, Kirk does NOT get the girl, and he remains a smart but tactlessly blunt frat boy.

75. dmduncan - July 4, 2010

I should add that I’m not particularly interested in Kirk getting the girl the way James Bond does. In fact, I’d be more interested in Kirk finding love than getting the girl because then we at least know not only that he is capable of love, but that he suffers silently because of it in NOT getting the girl, WHOever she is.

One of the things I dearly loved about Firefly was the strained relationship between Mal and Inara, who both loved each other but could never say it because they were both equally stubborn people who didn’t like something about how the other lived their lives. Not only was that relationship a source of great comedy, but it was also a source of some of the series’ moments of genuine sadness.

76. dmduncan - July 4, 2010

I also think it’s important that as Kirk changes in the next movie, that the characters around him — especially Uhura, who was one of the biggest reflections of impatience with Kirk in the last movie — vocalize or otherwise express their own change in attitude towards Kirk. To make these characters real, the change in Kirk should R-E-G-I-S-T-E-R onscreen in those around him.

77. Boborci - July 4, 2010

72. So you’ve reversed your original statement and agreed that rather than creating conflict, it brought them together.

78. Boborci - July 4, 2010

72. Glad you go that straight in your mind now. It’s been my pleasure to be your consultant.

79. dmduncan - July 4, 2010

Kirk didn’t seem to me to be trying to win Uhura’s affection as much as trying to win Uhura’s panties.

80. Red-Shirted Monkey - July 4, 2010

I should have written the Uhura relationship “serves” the Kirk/Spock conflict rather than “creates” it. I chose the wrong verb in a blog post, while others chose to drive a perfectly awesome 60′s classic off the edge of a cliff to the strains of “sabotage”. (Wink, wink, we get it.)

I can’t afford to have my work reviewed before it’s released. Not everyone can use that as an excuse.

81. Boborci - July 4, 2010

U didn’t choose wrong word, u had wrong analysis of situation, its function in the story, and the motive behind our construction of it.

82. Jarod - July 4, 2010

Bob Orci, if you read this, consider this:

A remake of THE DEADLY YEARS. Perfect story to get Shatner, Nimoy, Takei, Koenig and Nichols into your movie.

83. Boborci - July 4, 2010

82 noted!

84. Scruffy the Janitor/Vampire Slayer - July 4, 2010

Maybe not a direct remake… but it could be an interesting sub plot.

Maybe the bad guy could be the Space Amoeba? With a touch of those flying space nerve cells? Get all the goofy bad guys out of the way in one movie.

I’m just saying…

85. virgin vulcan basement nerd - July 4, 2010

Whoa. Go make love to a mountain ppl. Hug the mountain. Envelope that mountain. Challenge the rock. You’re in love.

86. VZX - July 4, 2010

84: I say bring back the space-hippies. Nothing is scarier than a bunch of space-hippies rockin out on bicycle-wheel instruments.

87. Red-Shirted Monkey - July 4, 2010

Bilbo Baggins. That’s the solution. Someone needs to develop a deep, deep, deep personal connection to Bilbo Baggins, and then convince Peter Jackson that Tolkien’s work would be more interesting if it was written to have Bilbo randomly bed hot troll women.

If a script consultant or two can’t be employed to spare the Trek universe from awful pairings of characters, misplaced Delta Vegas, and miraculous ice cave rendezvous, it would be preferable to divert such genius to spicing up Middle-earth.

88. somethoughts - July 5, 2010

#83

Great opportunity for Mr. Shatner to ham it up :)

89. somethoughts - July 5, 2010

#87

Wasn’t Star Trek 2009 a reboot or am I missing something here?

The term reboot, in media dealing with serial fiction, means to discard much or even all previous continuity in the series and start anew with fresh ideas.[1] Effectively, all established fictive history is declared by the writer(s) to be null and void, or at least irrelevant to the new storyline, and the series starts over as if brand-new.[1]

Through reboots, film franchises are revamped and reinvigorated to attract new fans and stimulate economic revenue.[1] Therefore, reboots can be seen as attempts to rescue franchises which have grown “stale”.[2]

90. virgin vulcan basement nerd - July 5, 2010

Eed Plebnista!

Mr Boborci,

With profound gratitude and humility I beseech thee to consider the following: Space hippies. Thank you!

Peace and Long Life \\//,

91. JP Saylor - July 5, 2010

I didn’t like the new movie, but I just saw the bit about Lennon & McCartney. Thought that was awesome they mentioned the Beatles. Now I’m going back to watch real Star Trek.

92. Scruffy the Janitor/Vampire Slayer - July 5, 2010

Lenin & McCarthy? I didnt see them in Trek 09…

I like how in the Batman reboot, Wayne’s parents didnt die, and the Superman reboot, where Krypton didn’t blow up, and…

Reboots dont have to discard canon, they just go somewhere else with it.

The best thing about TOS was it was EPISODIC, every show stood on it’s own and was never mentioned again, unlike TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT which were modeled after Days of Our Lives, As the World Turns, and Dallas & Knotts Landing, with a bit of Dukes of Hazzard thrown in.

Being Episodic instead of a Soap Opera meant that you could play with the characters like Spock’s Brain and see how the characters would react, like rats in a maze, and completely ignore the episode and write Gem which again explores how the characters react to a situation and each other and then go on to battle Space Hippies, Space Nazis, Space Amoebas, etc.

Perhaps Trek 12 should be about Space Hippies escaping persecution from the Space Nazis who have built Space Nerve Cells and Space Amoebas as the “Final Solution” to wipe out Bele & Charon?

Is it too late to get Frank Gorshin to reprise the role? Oh, wait, it is…

93. Scruffy the Janitor/Vampire Slayer - July 5, 2010

Here’s a thought, to bring back Shatner, Nimoy, Takei, Keonig & Nichols, Why not have an Ion Storm transporter accident where they’re the “Evil” selves and they try to take over the new JJverse?

Just saying…

94. stealing the enterprise - July 6, 2010

nnoooooooooooooooooo shatner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i want the new actors to be able to make the characters their own. TNG for example, they had their little praises for TOS but created something completely new. thats why they were successful

use some of the characters from TOS but come up with a brand new story.

95. stealing the enterprise - July 6, 2010

BTW. will the real roberto orci please stand up

Bob orci?

or

boborci?

96. Anthony Pascale - July 6, 2010

Boborci and boborci are the real Roberto Orci, this is verified via email and IP addresses. He may be logging in using dif. computers, but that is him.

97. stealing the enterprise - July 6, 2010

thanks for clearing that up.

98. stealing the enterprise - July 6, 2010

also you folks at trekmovie.com are doing a superb job. i visit this site every day.

thanks for all of your hard work.

IDIC!!!!!!!!!

99. Keachick - August 18, 2010

I’ve only just found this article! It is interesting to read about Bob Orci’s experiences growing up as part of an immigrant family from Cuba.

I’ve always been more of a Kirk fan. Spock seemed too serious and unfriendly, but then I was a small child when I first *experienced* TOS and have loved it ever since.

I agree with 70. I like the coincidence of Spock meeting Kirk, who then meet Scotty. Sometimes very bizarre (and timely) events/meetings occur. Coming from NZ, I have heard of such meetings of people who grew up in a tiny town, go their own way and then many years later, meeting on the same British Rail train taking them to Scotland. I can see how the “rivers in time”, “currents”… could work. People can be drawn, brought together by forces (for want of a better word) that we don’t necessarily understand but that doesn’t make it any less valid.

Lennon and McCarthy? No. According to my own Trek story, Kirk has eclectic musical tastes. Among his favourite bands is the Beatles. As Kirk is slowly coming to grips with the reality of his promotion to captain, he returns to his quarters, says “Music” and it is the Beatles singing “Help!”

Just another little idea for you to include in the sequel, if you like and able to, Bob Orci! (I believe that Chris Pine could go for it – he seemed really elated when he (with other ST09 actors) met Sir Paul McCartney a few months back).

Anyway, good luck. Take care. Thanks, Anthony Pascale for trekmovie.com. Great site.

100. Keachick - August 18, 2010

Sorry, I did not mean to repeat the message. I just tried to correct a mistake I noticed, after I had sent it the first time.

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