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Syfy Cancels Ron Moore’s Caprica + Moore Talks Trek Technobabble & Nitpickers October 27, 2010

by Rosario T. Calabria , Filed under: BSG,Celebrity,Fandom,Sci-Fi , trackback

The critically acclaimed, but very, very low-rated, sci-fi drama series Caprica, co-created by Star Trek vet Ron Moore, has been canceled by Syfy, the network announced today. Five original episodes remain to be aired but they’ll be pulled from the schedule effective immediately. More details below, plus Ron Moore talks about differentiating Star Trek and Battlestar Galactica.

 

Goodbye Caprica

Coming less than a week after announcing they have greenlit the backdoor pilot Battlestar Galactica: Blood and Chrome, Syfy has is putting an end to the Battlestar Galactica prequel, Caprica. From the official statement:

 “We appreciate all the support that fans have shown for ‘Caprica’ and are very proud of the producers, cast, writers and the rest of the amazing team that has been committed to this fine series,” said Mark Stern, Executive Vice President of Original Programming, Syfy and Co-Head of Content for Universal Cable Productions. “Unfortunately, despite its obvious quality, ‘Caprica’ has not been able to build the audience necessary to justify a second season.”

The network says they plan to run the rest of the episodes in the first quarter of 2011.

While fans of the show will be — understandably — disappointed at this news, Syfy really had no choice. Through last Tuesday (10/19) the series’ first season was averaging a dismal 1.10M viewers and a 0.4/1 A18-49 rating/share. Even worse, the most-recent episode drew a paltry — series-low — 718,000 viewers with 0.3/1 A18-49 rating/share.

The newly greenlit pilot Battlestar Galactica: Blood and Chrome is also a BSG prequel, but set during the first Cylon war, which will up the sci-fi action. However, although described as a “godfather” to the show, Ron Moore is not officially involved in Blood & Chrome.


The more grounded "Caprica" failed to hold its audience – now cancelled by Syfy

Ron Moore on technobabble, nitpickers and more

In other Ron Moore news, Wired has a new interview with the show’s creator where he contrasted his approach on BSG and his long tenure with the Star Trek franchise. Here are some excerpts:

Moore on nitpicky fans:

People made books of Trek just dedicated to continuity errors. There’s The Nitpicker’s Guide [for Next Generation Trekkers ]. They did that on Galactica, too. And at a certain point, I can’t engage in that. I have to sort of accept that a certain margin of error will always occur — there are things we’re going to miss, things we’ll screw up. What’s important is that the characters remain who the characters are, and we have an integrity to the story that we’re telling. Let the fans enjoy themselves picking it apart later

Moore on Star Trek tech:

My experience in Star Trek taught me that technobabble could just swamp the drama in a show. Especially in a space opera, where you’re on ships in space and dealing with technical things, technobabble becomes a crutch to get into and out of situations. It just leaches all the drama away. The audience doesn’t know what the hell you’re talking about, and you’re making it up anyway. You make up a problem with the Enterprise warp drive, and then you solve it with a made-up problem, too

Much more from Moore on Trek and BSG at Wired.com.


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Comments

1. Hat Rick - October 27, 2010

Well, as I recall, there have been references made by Trek writers, more broadly, to “filler” episodes in Trek series, and so nothing that comes out of this is really new.

2. Kei - October 27, 2010

“I have to sort of accept that a certain margin of error will always occur — there are things we’re going to miss, things we’ll screw up.”

Is THAT his excuse for Galactica’s total lack of continuity? Glowing sex spines my ass.

3. Battle-scarred Sciatica - October 27, 2010

Well thats it for Caprica then.

No surprise there with the awful ratings.

I liked the show though. A bit tedious in places and certainly dragged out in parts, but still deep and thoughtful sci-fi.

Will Blood and Chrome be affected by this?

4. Michael Hall - October 27, 2010

Too bad. At its peak, BSG was a cultural landmark–very possibly, the best show on television at that time–but it took what turned out to be a drastically wrong creative turn at the end of its third season from which the show never recovered. Michael Taylor is a talented writer, but I don’t hold out much hope for the prequel series without Ron Moore’s involvement. “Sci-Fy” will doubtless insist on running the franchise legacy into the ground (much as Paramount did with Trek), but it would really be best at this point to let a great experiment in literate, grounded space opera pass into television history.

5. Tiber - October 27, 2010

The guy who showed us Captain Kirk’s ultimate paradise fantasy to be chopping wood, cooking eggs, riding horses and revisiting a “new” lost love instead of his son’s mother, and then used a non-sensical time-travel device to have an excuse bring Kirk and Picard together just to throw Kirk off a bridge to make Picard feel better about his lost brother and nephew tells tus that the important thing is to be true to the characters?

He’s not completely untalented, but he is completely an arrogant douche sometimes.

6. The Original Spock's Brain - October 27, 2010

@3. Battle-scarred Sciatica

I agree with all your points on Caprica….

Will miss the characters.

7. CarlG - October 27, 2010

Oh, goody — now SyFy has the spare coin to do Sharktopus II: The Sharktopussening. Be still, my beating heart.

8. Gary Neumann, the WRATHFULL SEQUEL OF STAR TREK - October 27, 2010

Stop the crap, Ron… be nice to TREK for once

9. Vultan - October 27, 2010

I’m thinking “Blood and Chrome” is in the works because Sci-Fi already had this cancellation in mind. I just hope B&C has a little more rock ‘em-sock ‘em Cyclon vs. Human action and less of the tedious stuff. A space opera can be exciting AND thought-provoking at the same time. Just think Empire Strikes Back meets ST:TNG and you’re set.

10. Captain Karl - October 27, 2010

I think Syfy had this planned all along and split the season into many many fragments so that fans who tried to hang on couldn’t. They couldn’t get back into the slow flow of the show, thus driving away more potential viewers and tanking the ratings even lower. From the first few episodes where the ratings were not as anticipated, I believe Syfy put into place a plan to bulldoze the show and replace it with more action. In their mind, fans of sci-fi don’t like to have to think too hard and would rather see ‘splosions and blood, pew pew pew, and Caprica was too cerebral….hey that sounds vaguely familiar…something like, I dunno’ a mid to late 60′s sci-fi show that ran on NBC that NBC tried to kill off…all that is missing here is a letter campaign by fans to keep the show alive.

Now Syfy has more program slots to fill with wrasslin’…they know folks who watch the wrasslin’ don’t have to think too much about the action they are lookin’ at.;) RIP Caprica…I liked the show, but Syfy made it hard for me to catch it with all the chop chop chop…oh, the chopping! the endless chopping of vegetables that never get eaten!

11. dmduncan - October 27, 2010

Absolutely LOVED BSG all the way through to completion, but glad Caprica is gone, and will not watch Blood and Chrome. BSG said it all. Time to put a period on the end of that sentence.

12. Chris - October 27, 2010

I wonder if enough interested fans voiced their opinion (a la the original Star Trek and Family Guy) if there’d be potential for Caprica to be brought back. There’s clearly some BIG GAPS that need to be filled in. Any thoughts?

13. Thorny - October 27, 2010

3.. A bit tedious? The show was audience repellent, even on SyFy where audiences seem willing to sit through anything (the aforementioned “Sharktopus”).

14. Majicou - October 27, 2010

@2: One goof is a “total lack of continuity”? Boy, just wait until UESPA hears about this! I mean Space Central. I mean Space Command. I mean the Star Service. I mean Starfleet. They’ll be more surprised than the time they heard about that duplicate of Earth–uh, I mean, than the time they heard about that giant space amoeba, because a duplicate Earth is a textbook case of Hodgkin’s Law of Parallel Planetary Development. They’ll probably send out a crew of Vulcanians, I mean VULCANS, to investigate.

Well, anyway… go to hell, Poor Literacy is Cool Channel. You blew it. I’m sure that soon, you’ll be able to convert to a 24-hour wrestling network and you can finally pop the champagne.

15. Phaser Guy - October 27, 2010

Sorry Caprica, but you stunk. What was that show about anyway?

16. Phaser Guy - October 27, 2010

Oh, and Ron slams Trek a lot, but the last season of BSG was just not very good.

17. Commander/Captain/Ambassador Spock - October 27, 2010

Caprica was an interesting concept, but, honestly, it was too far a departure from BSG. It would be like STAR TREK spinning off BABYLON 5 instead of TNG. Suddenly we are given these characters and expected to care about them and some religious struggle.

18. Areli - October 27, 2010

Oh, well…Goodbye Caprica. I loved watching the show but it was slow at times.

But I feel no pain for this. Considering he wrote ST: Generations, which I consider Kirk’s death to be not canon and the real Kirk is still in the Nexus, and that movie is 80% Technobabble 15% Data being annoying, and 5% Picard living his fantasy and getting Kirk killed, anything Moore writes can get cancelled and I wouldn’t care and anything he says can go get sucked in a black hole.

19. T'cal - October 27, 2010

Earlier this year, my wife and I watched BSG on DVD from beginning to end in about two months and we were blown away by the quality of the show. I purposely avoided reading anything on line about the show so I wasn’t swayed by others’ opinions and I didn’t want to risk spoilers. BSG has replaced TNG as my favorite scifi series because the writing, acting, directing, and production was top notch. The characters and their relationships were interesting, fun, disturbing, and enthralling. I look forward to Blood and Chrome.

What is the glaring problem with BSG that some refer to??

20. nuKirk - October 27, 2010

#17… wow. have you not heard of DEEP SPACE NINE????

21. AwesomeJohn - October 27, 2010

@ 19: They are probably referring to that fact that most fans found the ending to be unsatisfying. Guess some viewers didn’t realize that when you let your expectations get too high, you are guaranteed to be disappointed. You are lucky that you got to watch it all the way through with no extra time like season breaks during which to get your hopes too high. It’s like some viewers expected the final episode to be something akin to a religious experience.

22. Red Dead Ryan - October 27, 2010

I really liked “Battlestar Galactica”. And I like the majority of Star Trek. BSG was so different that it was more interesting to watch as opposed to “Stargate” which I had tried to get into a few times but couldn’t because of the similarities to Trek. I was reminded of Star Trek. BSG, on the other hand, was something completely different, but still very compelling. It was nothing like Trek. If I want to watch Star Trek, I’ll watch Star Trek.

I haven’t seen “Caprica” but plan on watching them on dvd one day.

23. Trevor John - October 27, 2010

I’m probably the only guy who mostly liked Generations – moreso than any of the other TNG films.

24. JP - October 27, 2010

Anyone who thinks Ron Moore doesn’t love Star Trek really needs to listen to his audio commentary on the new blu ray for The Search For Spock. The man was raised on Trek and its still a big part of his life.

25. gir6 - October 27, 2010

Curse of the Stoltz.

26. Vultan - October 27, 2010

Ron Moore, please forget about remaking Wild Wild West and bring Trek back to TV! (Hey, a guy can dream…)

27. Zebonka - October 27, 2010

(shrug) it was just as bad as the Event, good news that it’s off the air.

28. Battle-scarred Sciatica - October 27, 2010

#11

I agree. No more BSG related stuff (no matter how glossy/spacey/battley-battley).

Although I enjoyed most of Caprica, BSG did say it all. Leave it at that.

Ron Moore should certainly be nicer to that which has got him this far.

His head may possibly be disappearing up his wormhole. Better watch out Ron, it might ruin your lovely hairdo.

29. Craig - October 27, 2010

Sad thing is Tuesdays episode was the best one in a long time.
Oh and they knew it was cancelled Tuesday b/c there was no “next week” preview at the end of the episode.

30. Phaser Guy - October 28, 2010

Ron doesn’t have anything to do with the Adama show thing whatever. But, we’ll see if that ever gets made.

31. Pro-Khan-sel - October 28, 2010

I’m a big fan of battlestar galactica…The original show…you know..the one with lorne green? the other galactica shows and spinoffs are galacticrap!

There, I said it.

and yes I also liked generations.

32. Anthony Thompson - October 28, 2010

“Very, very low ratings”. Are you sure that they weren’t very, very, very low? LOL!

Technobabble = lazy writing. Which Mr. Moore and all his cohorts on TNG were guilty of. And why TOS, which indulged in very little of it, will always be regarded as the superior series.

33. HomerT6 - October 28, 2010

Man…this sucks a show like this gets canceled and crap like “Undercovers” stays on TV…really what crap this is…

34. The First Son of Krypton - October 28, 2010

Why all the hating on Ron Moore?

He is one of my favourite writers and an inspiration to me :) He did some awesome stuff for Trek. Lest we forget, this is the guys who made the Klingons more then just “Stereotypical Angry Alien Antagonists”

#32 – Your kidding right? TOS is full of Treknobabble! Sure Ron has used it but Im sure he’s said before that a lot of the writers had to use it and were made a hinderence by it. – I just dont see the appeal in TOS, poor acting, poor scripts and whether the fault of NBC or not, No Budget!

35. Vultan - October 28, 2010

#34

Of course some of the acting was off and the budget was low, but poor scripts? Uh… nah. No. I’m gonna disagree on that. Quite a few of the scripts were top-notch, and daring for 60′s television—much like the Twilight Zone. Ah, if only Serling could have written a Trek episode…

36. captain_neill - October 28, 2010

Ron Moore Is a great writer but I think he is being a bit unfair to Trek and it’s technobabble.

He did great stuff on TNG as well as DS9.

Hell Ron Moore also co wrote one of the best StarTrek movies, First Contact.

But I understand he had the most fun on DS9 and I think given that showed, bust I also still think he did great stuff on TNG.

Ron Moore is a fav of mine.

37. Vulcan Soul - October 28, 2010

Moore’s problem is that he does not know how to write good scifi. All he does is good character drama set in space (aptly called “space opera”).

38. tj - October 28, 2010

How could Caprica ever build an audience when SyFy was splitting the shows and changing the days it was shown. You could not tell what day or what time it was showing? I never knew when it was on and could not set up any kind of recording time. I don’t live with SyFy the only channel. Especially when there are shows like Sharktopus being shown. (spits on ground).

39. Lope de Aguirre - October 28, 2010

Never saw “Caprica” (don’t live in the US) but looking forward for a Blu-Ray release of Season 1.
Too bad it was canceled.

I always thought of Ronald D. Moore as the best Trek writer (at least of all the Spin-Offs and Spin-Off movies).

BSG was good – it started awesome but it wasn’t like that to the end.

I think the greatest stuff hed did was his involvement in the first Season of the stunning HBO mystery show “Carnivale”.

BTW I also love the flawed “Generations” at some point as I was younger it was my favorite Trek film of them all.
Nowadays I still really love it but prefer “The Undiscovered Country” and “First Contact”.

40. denny cranium - October 28, 2010

Wow I never knew Ron Moore was the new Braga or Berman- quit whipping him. He got a show made and on the air for 4 years- no small feat.

I loved Caprica- I’m sorry to see it go. If it were on showtime or hbo it would be the next “it show” . It dealt with great parts/ emotions of the human condition.

I think it may have been one of those PVRd shows (recorded and watched later)

Re BSG a few episodes went “clunk” but all in all it was a great show- BSG never aired the equivalent to “Spock’s Brain”

I’m looking forward to Blood and Chrome. Great title

41. denny cranium - October 28, 2010

Morover I think Caprica did what the original Trek did so well.
It deals with social issues in a different reality and time.
It was set in a more grounded reality though.
I think that what turned most people off.
I hope Blood and Chrome doesnt get too dumbed down.

I wonder what syfy will air next Tuesday- that horrible Highlander movie made a few years ago? ughh

42. Sebastian - October 28, 2010

Can’t say I didn’t see this coming.
Caprica seemed to be all about unrealized potential; the meandering storyline seemed to be more about people standing around smoking and being unlikable more than anything else.
A shame too, because there was a great cast there, and it was an intriguing idea.

I also agree with some of the above posts in that BSG really felt like a complete story that told the story it had to tell (the resolution was really spot-on and there was no where else to go). Many prequels in general seem to suffer from this problem; taking a thin idea and trying to spread it over a TV series (or three whole movies AND a cartoon series, as was the case with all of the messy Star Wars’ prequels/Clone Wars crap).

As interesting as the “Blood and Chrome” Cylon War 1 idea was, I really think they ought to put it to bed for now. And if they do decide to resurrect it someday, remember the lesson of Caprica; do it as a TV movie or miniseries (with the action nice and condensed) instead of trying to stretch 2 hours of material into another 4 year show. I think it was why “Razor” worked so well; BSG fans wanted a longer glimpse into the Pegasus’ back story, but we didn’t need a Pegasus TV series!

43. NX-01 - October 28, 2010

Eh – saw this coming a mile away. It was sooooo slooooooow moving, tedious and focused entirely too much on characters that I had absolutely zero interest in (Clarice and Amanda). I was hoping the Amanda character AND the Clarice character would be killed off in the season finale. Imagine my disappointment when they both survived.

Frankly, the religious crap was lame, boring and held zero interest for me. I understand it’s component in the Cylon culture, but it didn’t need to be front and center each and every episode.

This show felt like a thinly disguised Oxygen mini-series.

Blahh.

Looking forward to Blood and Chrome!

44. Zashun - October 28, 2010

As much as I liked the show I will admit that they could have told the story in a 4 hour miniseries and had more success. Now that its been canceled I’m hoping that the last episode doesn’t end on a cliffhanger, or at the very least I hope it ends with a mild cliffhanger.

45. InSaint - October 28, 2010

So, know your technobabble and what it means. Don’t just make stuff up, don’t make up dialogue. Make up concepts. LCARS, pads, tricorders, hyposprey. need I say more? Technobabble is bad thing if the writing and the writer are bad.

46. Valar1 - October 28, 2010

good riddance, Caprica, they took all the boring melodramatic parts of BSG, jettisoned the exciting space stuff, and expected people to be enthralled. it would be like saying, oh, lets make a CSI where there are no cases to solve, just the team sitting around talking about their feelings and relationships. Stupid.

This Blood and Chrome thing sounds promising but am I mistaken or is one of the show runners a former stargate producer? If so, then you can count me out, already.

47. Paul B. - October 28, 2010

Not to be a hater, but I’m glad Caprica is gone. Watching it was like being stuck under a concrete overpass during a nonstop rainstorm–gray, bland, boring, and trapped. Not a pleasant viewing experience, even with the adorable Alessandra Torresani to look at.

I’d go with Olmos: If you’re going to do more BSG, show us what happens to the colonials on this Earth. Do the Cylons come back? Does Starbuck show up and say oops, wrong planet again? Or go back and show us the original humans and their Cylons, leading up to the Five leaving Earth for the colonies.

The religious stuff was too heavy handed from the beginning, but it got worse. I love religious stuff in SF–the Dune series are great for religion and philosophy, for example–but not when it’s slapped in your face this way, and not only bluntly but poorly done.

There’s just nothing interesting (to me, and apparently most of the viewing audience) about watching how the Cylons became Cylons when, in fact, we know the Big Five were already around, and nearly identical Cylons existed on old earth, so…who cares about Caprica’s Cylons?

48. Damian - October 28, 2010

Ron Moore, like anybody, is going to foul up on writing now and again. When you are working on a weekly series, sometimes you’re going to screw up. For every bad episode he wrote, I can name a good one he wrote. When Deep Space 9 first started it took me a while to get into it. But it eventually won me over. Like anything else, it needed time to develop, especially since it was so different to anything that was done in Star Trek up to that point. It added a new dimension to Star Trek, and Ron Moore was responsible for a lot of that.

The technobabble never bothered me. It’s science fiction, it’s not supposed to be real. But the technobabble made it seemed realistic. I know when someone has a technical question for Rick Sternbach, he’ll explain it in a post in such a way that you think you can go out to the garage and build one yourself. I always liked that about Star Trek. It’s still sci-fi, but sci-fi built on realistic concepts.

49. VGer23 - October 28, 2010

I was (am) a huge Battlestar Galactica fan. But, Craprica never caught on with me. I watched the pilot episode and really disliked it. Characters I don’t care about…situations I don’t care about…etc.

But, I gave it the benfit of the doubt and watched the first few episodes that aired. It was the same story, though. Not a single likeable character. Nothing going on that I was remotely interested in or passionate about. I stopped watching after that.

Blood and Chrome…? Interesting.

50. Trek Or Treat - October 28, 2010

I think Ron Moore’s BSG was genius, especially in the first two seasons. The second two were less so, but overall I found the conclusion very satisfying.

As 24th Century Trek moved along, the technobabble became an increasing problem, see the 7th season of TNG and a hefty chunk of Voyager. Moore was on Voyager’s writing staff for what? two minutes? That’s because he had a problem with the writing. His criticism of Treknobabble is nothing new, and quite frankly I agree with him. I haven’t watched DS9 in awhile, but I remember very little technobabble in that series, in which he exercised a lot more control.

I liked Caprica but I guess you can partially blame me for the ratings. I found it was easier to follow when I DVR’ed a bunch of episodes and watched them back to back. It did move slowly.

I am excited about Blood and Chrome but I am concerned about the fact that Moore is not involved. Wrong or Right, I believe he was the reason for nuBSG’s superb quality.

51. DS9 Rocks - October 28, 2010

As some posters above indicated, Caprica was not good, and indeed took the most melodramatic threads (and music) from BSG, leaving much of the quality drama behind (I would recommend for those who have not watched to NOT spend money on DVDs). Someone compared it to original Trek, but that’s way off the mark. Caprica dealt with the same 2 or 3 social issues each and every episode, whereas Trek, in this sense, dealt with a new social issue each time. Someone else said the cast was good…. What?? The characters were horribly one dimensional, and with the exception of maybe Adama’s brother, the actors did not help.

And the connection to BSG is so loose and slow developing, as to completely lose BSG fans. And without BSG fans, who did producers think was going to watch this?

Finally, I agree that wrestling and Sharktopus on Syfy (as well as changing the name from Sci Fi) are not welcome additions. But I don’t think Caprica was “too smart” for the average audience–just too boring and poorly written. This wasn’t a 3-hour mini, this was a weekly show. If you want an hour of my life each week, you have to do a lot better.

52. Stan Winstone - October 28, 2010

Yeah Ron Moore- and do your research on appealing actors next time. Eric Stoltz is the Kiss of Death for series/movies/etc. He’s a successful and popular actor only in an alternate universe.

53. Steamblade - October 28, 2010

52. Boy, you said it. No body saw Pulp Fiction because of him.

54. Jai - October 28, 2010

“What is the glaring problem with BSG that some refer to??”

A couple of things:

- The writers admitted to basically making the storyline up as they went along, rather than having an overall vision for the sequence of events and especially the ending. Hence a number of “dead-ends” in the plot, along with the complications which resulted in relation to the question of how to tie things up for the conclusion. And ironically, it means that the Cylons never actually had “a plan”, despite what was claimed during the opening credits of a few BSG seasons.

- Things began going wrong when the completely incongruous “All Along the Watchtower” theme was introduced into the storyline, a song which turned out to be pivotal to the way everything subsequently developed. Ron D Moore later admitted that he was a fan of that song and had been looking for an opportunity to include it in BSG.

- The importance to the future of humanity in terms of Hera turning out to be “mitochondrial Eve” in the ending was greatly exaggerated. A lot of exhaustively-detailed scientific arguments explaining the reasons that this “plot twist” was misguided and illogical were posted by various well-informed commenters on the SciFi forum at the time, so it’s best to refer to that for further information.

- The inclusion of “mitochondrial Eve” as the “surprise ending” was the reason that the writers decided that the events of BSG occurred 150,000 years in the past, rather than what would have been a more realistic 15,000 years ago. The latter would have been a far more plausible explanation of the persistent Greco-Roman and classical Indian references throughout the show, from start to finish. In the end, according to RDM there was no direct historical connection between those ancient cultural references and what we know to be real human history in the ancient world, and those things were apparently “in the universal consciousness” which were later plucked out of the air and duplicated by later human civilisations.

Depicting the Colonials have having landed 15,000 years in the past instead, gradually declining to ‘earthly human’ levels over the subsequent millennia but still being renowned for ‘advanced knowledge’, and with a direct cultural/civilisational link to real human societies which arose later on would obviously have been far more realistic.

Ironically, RDM later stated that he’d even seriously considered an alternative ending showing the Galactica landing in Central America in the distant past, with modern-day archeologists investigating the huge mysterious mounds which do actually exist over there and with the show ending with the scientists finding the Galactica buried deep underground. (I think they were just going to show the silhouette of the ship via sonar etc, although I can’t remember the exact details). That would actually have been an excellent ending.

- It was also felt that the tone of the “150,000 years later” coda was completely incongruous with what had gone before, with a lot of unnecessary flippancy along with “hitting viewers over the head” with the exposition about mitochondrial Eve and the rise of artificial intelligence in our modern times. They could have just finished BSG with that poignant scene of Admiral Adama on that hilltop, for example.

- Many viewers thought that the concept of “deus ex machina” was overused as an explanation, especially towards the end.

- Some viewers had a problem with Starbuck’s sudden disappearance at the end and the way her earlier resurrection & “real identity” was never really explained, although personally I was okay with it.

- Some viewers also had a problem with Lee Adama’s suggestion of the Colonials rejecting the bulk of their technology and eventually degenerating into pre-Stone Age humans with practically no knowledge of their real past, or the fact that the majority of the Colonials would willingly go along with the idea. It was felt that that was completely unrealistic. However, with hindsight, the complete corruption shown in “Caprica” does go some way towards explaining why the Colonials would eventually make the irrational decision to destroy their own civilisation (thereby finishing the job which the Cylons started); especially when you remember Bill Adama’s cynical speech right at the very start of BSG, when he rhetorically asked if the Colonial humans actually deserve to survive (or words to that effect).

I obviously think the ending could have been handled better, and there were clearly some issues in the final seasons — with exceptions such as the brilliant storyline depicting Felix Gaeta’s mutiny and eventual execution — but apart from that, overall BSG was still superb, especially for the first few years.

The problems towards the very end mean that BSG was a very good show – and far better than most other shows out there — which could actually have been truly great if some of the flaws with the story had been properly addressed.

55. jas_montreal - October 28, 2010

very dissappointed that it was cancelled. It was the first ever family-sci-fi show. I hope at least season 1 ends with a good enough ending.

56. Z3R0B4NG - October 28, 2010

I have to say i am glad that they stopped it before it got any worse.

So say we all!

57. Tyrone Alfonso - October 28, 2010

Douche or no douche, he does have a point about technobabble. I started watching TNG as a kid and loved it. Now when I catch reruns on BBCA the tech talk just stands out way to much and kills the drama as Ron says. (still a great show tho.)

Voyager was most affected by this problem.

58. Jon1701 - October 28, 2010

Caprica had a very interesting premise (that you can recreate a person from their likes, dislikes, browsing habits.etc) but it was just dull, dull, dull.

I watched the first half of the season and there was some good stuff in there but the characters were all a bunch of d*cks. There were very few people you could relate to in the cast. Who was I supposed to be rooting for? Too much grey.

It was Dallas in space. Sort of. In the future. Sort of.

When the evil space nuns* came into it after the season break I stopped watching.

*Yeah, you heard me…

59. trekologist - October 28, 2010

The only decent show on Sci-Fi (Yes, I spelled it correctly) and they kill it. How many more mutated fish / animal horror flicks can one watch???

60. Losira - October 28, 2010

The story was good but it was too Mundane . A balance for real scifi as well as good character story telling was not achieved. Reflects SyFy disdain for real scifi. Thanks from the start from that Bonnie Hamner. Who loves wrestling instead of scifi. So true scifi is in Europe where all all the classics are still shown. Bring back scifi junk SyFy.

61. Z3R0B4NG - October 28, 2010

in DS9 they allready made this religeous crap.

ask yourself, who ended the Dominion War? The Dominion? The Federation?
No the damn Wormhole Aliens! The Gods of the Bajorans!

The diffrence was, that you could accept those Bajoran Gods at least as wormhole Aliens if you (like me) did not like the religeous crap.

In BSG and Caprica it is either some mystical madeup BS or just Fanatics but you dont have any connection to this religion that everything is about in these shows, be it the good BSG or the Terror Caprica Side of it.
In DS9 it worked because it was a slow growing process and you had the religeous and the scientific side of it.

I am a SciFi fan, Caprica was RelFi.

62. Jeyl - October 28, 2010

“My experience in Star Trek taught me that technobabble could just swamp the drama in a show.”

So does having a show focused entirely on characters who’s only entertainment potential would come from their painful, torturous deaths. Instead you gave them to us like we were supposed to care about them. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

63. thebiggfrogg - October 28, 2010

BS. Had no choice my a**! How about dumba** decisions like taking a few months off midseason. SyFy is mostly dreck (re: in the the vein Sharktopus or whatever that idiot movie is/was). There have been a few bright spots: BSG, the Dune miniseries, but mostly SyFy is looking for cheaply produced schlock. Caprica still may have died as it may not have fit any niche well enough to suit a mass audience, (unfortunately it was an excellent show and I wish it could have went to some logical conclusion) but stupid exec decisions did not help matters. SyFy, I tune out.

64. thebiggfrogg - October 28, 2010

Oh yeah and screw you SchlockFy for holding the rest of the eps until 2011. How about running them NOW at 0 dark thirty if you must. Thank the fans for their support my a**!

65. Losira - October 28, 2010

I’m for starting a new Sci-Fi only channel and a Total Trek Channel….and a wrestling channelb staring the heavy wieght-no brain champion MONSTERPUSS!

66. Rich - October 28, 2010

I think Caprica was brilliant but heavily-laden with really serious themes – terrorism, the death of a child, etc. Really great deep stuff but not attractive to the average SyFy viewer. The series will join others in a sort-of Sci-Fi “Hall of Fame” as a great attempt at really serious science-fiction. Not that other series aren’t good, but this one reached really high. We’ve lost other brilliant series recently like Flash Forward. This stuff is too intellectual for TV – but it could find a home on the Web as people’s bandwith increases and we could subscribe directly to series and watch them online. Thankfully, the people who made the show are really talented and will create new shows in the future that may be as good or better.

67. Lore - October 28, 2010

I didn’t watch Caprica simply for revenge against Moore and Co. They left BSG in the hands of novices and the whole last season and series finale was awful. So why should I reward him by watching Caprica, so he could move on after it becomes popular, and allow it to fester with bad stories and bad writing.

68. CmdrR - October 28, 2010

RIP Caprica.

69. Daoud - October 28, 2010

Trying to figure out Caprica, has been like trying to figure out the murder of Tim McLean by Vince Weiguang Li about the Greyhound Canada bus in Manitoba in 2008.

It just doesn’t make sense. Maybe without commercial interruption, watching the DVDs it will be better.

70. Daoud - October 28, 2010

*aboard*

It’s weird, I was on the exact same bus exactly one week before.

71. Phil - October 28, 2010

5. Tiber – October 27, 2010

To be fair, Generations reeks of a studio written movie, where the writer has to come in and fill in the blanks. RM obviously didn’t feel bad enough to have his name removed from the credits, but by this point the Star Trek movie formula had jelled to a point where I don’t think any writer had that much lattitude to do anything…

72. Captain Braxton - October 28, 2010

Not surprised (or bothered) at all, a boring and lacklustre show. Looking forward to Blood & Chrome though

73. Doug Skywalker - October 28, 2010

i just hope they wrap up Caprica with enough closure to answer a lot of the links to BSG that they set out to do. for example, how and when do the Centurions decide to rebel? how do the Centurions embrace the One True God? etc.

74. Jarok - October 28, 2010

Ron Moore is an Incompetent Fool. The Technobabble doesn’t always take away from the drama. He obviously doesn’t understand much about science fiction or SCI-FI fans. Most likely he doesn’t understand much about science either. He is cut from the same mold as people like Josh Whedon who gave us an engineer on Firefly who could fix things not because she was a trained engineer (like Scotty) or a brilliant scientist (like Spock) but because she just had a knack for fixing things. As if it could be done with a snap of a finger. I would guess that Mr. Moore has never worked as an engineer or technician and doesn’t have a clue as to how things really work. This is why Rodenberry’s crew was so well written. He was an engineer and a pilot and understood things of a technical nature. When humans finally do start to explore deep space the people on the ships will not be drama experts but Scientists, Engineers and Technicians who solve problems using their technical knowledge. For him to say that the audience was lost and didn’t understand any of it just shows you how out of touch he is with the SCI-FI audience. The people that watch these shows are in general very smart and should never be underestimated. It is he who is LOST. Although it was “made-up” it often had a basses in real science. The “made-up” stuff from TOS was often the inspiration for real innovation in the real world. And were does he get off criticizing Trek? Where would he be if it wasn’t for Star Trek? Not where he is today.

75. Pensive's Wetness - October 28, 2010

Cappy is off the air? Oh good, im too busy using my time to better my toons on STO & DDO to waste my time whiping my arse watching anything from Sci-fi these days… want people to watch what your ADVERTISERS want us to watch during the comercials of your programing?

how about a show WE do want to watch & care for, for once…

76. weyoun_9 - October 28, 2010

I’ve never understood why people get all upset about the technobabble. Other than being imaginary or partially based in science…what is the difference between that and shows like NCIS, Bones, CSI, Law and Order, er…all those shows use tons of technical mumbo-jumbo and in some cases, bend the truth or fabricate real-sounding tech to make their stories plausible. Most people would agree that the technical parts of these shows don’t detract from the characters, the drama or the energy of the show.

In other words, if the technobabble is ruining the show, then either the writers are focusing on it more than the characters and stories or the actors are not taking it seriously and are letting it compromise the work. Either way, it’s not BECAUSE of the technobabble.

77. Losira - October 28, 2010

Its amazing how Caprica could be so tech advanced so they claim. And yet Lora died of Breast Cancer. Go figure. Maybe their misguided values brought their own destruction.

78. kinoo - October 28, 2010

…and just as we finally had a Cylon shooting the place up. Hopefully RDM & Co. will be given some time to re-tool the rest of the episodes to bring it to a sort of closure.

79. Stan Winstone - October 28, 2010

53. Boy, you said it. No body saw Pulp Fiction because of Stoltz.

Oh gimme a break- he was in that movie for 5 minutes. Not the lead actor…

80. CmdrR - October 28, 2010

Keep Esai Morales for Blood and Chrome. Just a few more silver hairs. And bring back Nico Cortez to play young Wm. Adama… with a few flash forwards of EJO.

As for the rest of the Caprica cast… sorry, they were not very good. Dreary in fact.

Here’s to hoping Blood n’ Chrome kicks butt, while bringing us some interesting characters.

81. New Horizon - October 28, 2010

5. Tiber

Ron Moore ‘co-wrote’ Generations with Brannon Braga. It wasn’t all his fault.

82. John - October 28, 2010

#26

agreed! I dream of RDM taking Trek back to TV. If he can do half as good as job as he did on DS9…

83. Blah - October 28, 2010

It’s a shame that people only want to see action..Caprica was an excellent show

84. Chain of Command - October 28, 2010

Ron Moore is a good guy. I loved BSG and, while I didn’t really get into DS9 as much as TNG, it wasn’t a bad show.

That being said, I’ve always found his comments regarding his time on the Star Trek SPINOFFS to be a little misleading when it comes to his complaints about technobabble and other aspects of those shows. He wrote his fair share of Picard and Geordi “Tech” the “Tech” moments. I also don’t believe he had as big an understanding of the original series characters as he claims.

85. denny cranium - October 28, 2010

51. DS9 Rocks-

I have to disagree with you. I wasn’t way off the mark. Caprica dealt with a lot of social issues (like all Treks did) in a different reality.

Terrorism- the Cap pilot dealt with the train blowing up- mirror London UK underground bombings (TNG did some episode about a bombing)

Death and Resurrection- TWOK- the holodeck- Harry Kim on Voyager

Religion- All the Treks touched on this.

Caprica did get a little bogged down at times. I’ll give you that.
I admire the guts the creative team had. It had a Blade Runner kind of look visually. I felt the acting was pretty good.

86. Majicou - October 28, 2010

@61: Were you watching a different version of DS9 that no one else knows about? In the version that was actually broadcast, the war was ended by the Federation Alliance, the Cardassian resistance, Odo, and (unintentionally) Section 31.

87. VZX - October 28, 2010

Well, I only watched 5 eps of BSG, but I am a big Ron Moore fan. If for no other reason due to the “Ask Ron Moore” boards during the 1990s. He was on there all the time and engaged us in some great conversations. He does love Trek, owes his career to it.

But, I actually liked the technobabble when it made sense. I love long exposition expIaining how and why things worked. guess its just the science geek in me. Well, I am a scientist, but still.

88. the Quickening - October 28, 2010

76.

I agree wholeheartedly. I recall years ago while watching an episode of ER, how much tech-talk was going on in several key scenes, and remembered thinking it wasn’t hurting my enjoyment of the drama at all; as a matter of fact, it enhanced it. I think people need to be clear why and when technobabble can be a pain; one, when the story is weak anyway and it’s there as an excuse for lack of imaginative exposition; two, when it’s used directly as a plot device to justify a plot point or used at the end of the story to justify the conclusion. These things happened way too much in both TNG and VOYAGER. It occurred in DS9s early episodes too, until Ira Steven Behr took over the reins of the show and got rid of it because he, like Moore, hated technobabble. I agree with Moore, but he probably should have offered a more detailed explanation of what he was saying. Technobabble itself isn’t bad, it’s how it’s used.

89. Cmdr. Jacobs - October 28, 2010

Ok, so if a present day Navy warship has a problem with a propellor during a battle, we have a ‘plot-complication’ and techical language to explain it. In the future, a Starfleet vessel has problems with its ‘engines’, we dont have the proper technical language and most of us dont have a background in warp propulsion, let alone nuclear-steam driven propulsion we use currently, so let the writers come up with ‘technobabble’ to bring us up to speed, so to speak. As for me, it makes me feel like I understand the mechanics of the problem, and I can get into the episode a little more, a bit more immersion into the universe.
After all, it is just escapism.

90. Ramjet - October 28, 2010

Come on admit it SYFY has no idea what we want. With one stupid saturday night B movie after another and lets not forget how they rearranged a great friday night line-up and put Battlestar on Sunday night. Let alone put Caprica on tuesday nights for the great and put the wonderful world of Wrestling on friday night. STUPID STUPID STUPID. WTF does Wrestling have to do with SYFY anyway?
Used to be a great line-up on Friday nights with Stargate series and Battlestar and when they changed that, it was all downhill from there. Speed up the pacing in Caprica and put it on Friday night and you might just save a quality SCIFI series. But what do I know, I change the channel to something other than SCIFI now. Opps sorry SYFY, yea that helped fix things.

91. Frak SyFy - October 28, 2010

No one has mentioned what killed Caprica: Zoe, Lacy, and the pointless VR teenage drama that was simply unwatchable! I think the drama between Graystone and Adams was riveting. Sam Adams, the first non-flamboyant gay character on TV was awesome. I found that part of the show great, but the scenes with Zoe, the virtual reality crap, and the silly religious insanity was simply not watchable.
It’s funny because after Tuesday’s episode I thought the show might be getting better… guess not.

I think Ronald Moore and JJ Abrams are the worst thing that happened to Sci-Fi since George Lucas decided to make cartoons instead of doing the New Jedi Order sequels.

But that’s just my humble opinion.

92. Ramjet - October 28, 2010

What’s with SYFY channels atrocious line-up? Here it the week of Halloween and who has all the Horror films playing? AMC does. Who has a new series coming out called the Walking Dead? AMC does. Is AMC known for horror? No and who should be playing these films, why the SCIFI channel should be. Sorry but SYFY channels lineup is more HORROR but for all the wrong reasons. How can you go from one great series after another with Stargate SG1, Stargate Atlantis, BattleStar and Eureka to the crap Saturday night shows like “Giant beaver versus Bad acting” and of course” Sharktopus? Is this SCIFI or the” CAMPY straight to DVD movie channel”? Why don’t you dredge up “Chainsaw hookers” while you are at it. We may not all agree on what SCIFI we like the most, but when a holiday weekend comes up and SYFY is running for the 100th time Twilight zone episodes for 4 days straight instead of Stargate Universe or Caprica and I have to turn to TNT, AMC or someone else for decent horror/scifi, something is very wrong at the new SYFY channel.

93. Mike S - October 28, 2010

#54: Good analysis! Well said.

94. Desstruxion - October 28, 2010

I’d like to see a rebooted version of the original Star Trek as a weekly series…….with Ron Moore in charge. Make it dark and gritty Ron. Do it like BSG.

95. Ken - October 28, 2010

Oh NO I really liked the show. Wanted more cylon action

96. StalwartUK - October 28, 2010

Good riddance to Caprica. It was a slow, boring show. The plot moved along at a lethargic pace. To be blunt, the show was a mess and nothing ever really gelled together.

Even the first season of DS9 had more entertainment value than Caprica.

97. spock - October 28, 2010

Loved Galactica, couldn’t stand Caprica. The characters were a bore, and the story was so far away from the events that led up to Galactica’s flight from the colonies what was the point. Would much have rather have seen the ultimate rebellion of the Cylons and the events that ultimately led up to it. Season 1 could have set the stage, and ended with the rebellion, then Season 2 picks up with the War.

98. sean - October 28, 2010

Caprica was an excellent program, and Syfy doesn’t want excellent programs. They want ‘pew pew pew! KABOOM!’.

Also, Ron Moore LOVES Star Trek. Just because he rankled at Roddenberry’s ‘conflict’ restrictions and an excessive use of technobabble doesn’t mean he doesn’t still love it.

99. Jarok - October 28, 2010

#91
I agree with you except you left out Ira Steven Behr. #88 reminded me of him.
In fact I think Ira is even worse then Ron or JJ.

100. adam - October 28, 2010

CAPRICA sucked. high quality direction, terrific editing, and a gorgeous score can’t make-up for lackluster stoylines, insipid dialogue, and truly wretched acting. for a show with themes so intent on quantifying the human soul, they should have created characters that had some. and found actors with at least a modicum of conviction to play them. not for one single frakkin second did i believe that either daniel graystone or as his irritatingly insane wife amanda had any guilt or remorse at the loss of their only child. not. one. frakkin. second. eric stolz simply gave us his usual terrible schlock- clipped speech, vacant eyes, boring demeanor – and paula malcomson redefined what bad acting means in one of the worst television performances of all time. (“i went … CRAAAAZZZY, clarice” … “have you ever been INSANE?!”). the only remarkable thing about this piece of insignificant drivel that soiled battlestar’s good name was the fact that an animated robot named was the best performer on the show. long live surge!

101. Brandon R - October 28, 2010

Caprica was a terrific show. Terrible. I hope that they at least get some sort of TV movie to wrap it up.

102. Bifton - October 28, 2010

You know what? I love techno babble. I love trek. Like bsg. I can’t stand caprica but keep watching cuz I’m waiting for something to happen. Caprica blows.

103. scott - October 29, 2010

Ron Moore wrote many of my favorite TNG Episodes. Generations co-writer Brannon Braga wrote many of the ones I most dis-liked… often for reasons similar to the things I disliked in Generations (i.e. the whole Nexus concept), so I’ve suspected that Moore was responsible for more of what I liked in Generations.

Regardless, I was ultimately disappointed in BSG. Very few episodes were compelling as stand-alone stories (Moore’s own probable favorite “33″ among those, I wish there had been more like that). Many of the episodes had little compelling about them beyond their part in the greater story… a greater story that ultimately proved terribly disappointing (i.e. other references here to deus ex machina and such).

When it quickly became clear that Caprica was going to be another long soap opera of a series without individual compelling stories, I tuned out.

OTOH, when Joss Whedon’s Dollhouse transitioned from good individual stories to a stronger emphasis on the greater story (still without abandoning good individual stories), it actually became even better. I think that was probably the best SF series ever on TV, if for no other reason that there were no bad episodes. As good as various Treks have been, they have always had their share of clunkers as well… somehow Dollhouse avoided that.

104. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - October 29, 2010

Always the best shows getting canceled….. It’s really too bad, because Caprica could have really showed its stuff in a second season. I like the slow, methodical pace, but now they’re probably going to rush to put an “end-cap” on it and it will leave us with an awkward ending. Perhaps a TV movie is in order….

105. Will - October 29, 2010

Wow. Caprica canned before SGU. That’s surprising.

106. sean - October 29, 2010

#103

I love Joss, but Dollhouse was doomed from the moment he cast Eliza D in the lead role. She has the emotional range of a toaster. And not a Cylon toaster!

107. Horatio - October 29, 2010

Caprica was so boring. I tired after the second episode of how they kept moving back and forth with the actress who was a cylon and the cylon… or whatever…. depressing. Blah.

Give me original 1978 Galactica over that any day.

108. cmdrRR - October 29, 2010

Caprica 1980. Hmmmmmm.

109. THX-1138 - October 29, 2010

I loved BSG all the way to the end but acknowlege that it ran out of steam a season or two before the end. It was apparent that they didn’t have the entire story arc outlined to the end and kind of switched gears and focus about halfway through. Even so it was 10 times better than anything else on TV and was just about the most unique and dark, brooding sci-fi ever produced. The acting was pretty superb as well.

Caprica just never seemed to compel me to watch. I tried, lord how I tried. Syfy totally botched their approach to that show, but it’s pretty obvious that their interest does not lie with science fiction programming. Honestly I can see why they changed the spelling from SciFi to Syfy. That way we don’t come to expect anything having to do with futuristic concepts.

On a different note, the Science Fiction Museum up here in Seattle has a cool BSG display featuring props and costumes from the show. They even have full scale Vipers and a Cylon raider from the show. Michael Hogan was on hand for the opening and was great!

I’ll be there for Blood and Chrome.

110. Commodore Lurker - October 29, 2010

Decloaking . . .
Hell, I’m still pissed SyFy cancelled FARSCAPE.
I’m amazed they ever gave CAPRICA a chance.
Obviously they haven’t written anything approaching a conclusion.
I’ll be like FIREFLY, just deadending.
I hate that.
BSG without Ron Moore?
It’ll be biff-boom-pow without a soul.
Seems like it’ll be another 7 year dark age for SyFy channel, which they do with shocking regularity.
Now back to our regularly schedualled stupidity.
Recloaking. }:-D>

111. Pierss - October 29, 2010

I recall Ron Moore stating that the story of Caprica needed to be told over many seasons and in the event of a cancellation after the first season then the story would end up on a cliff hanger that would not be resolved!

112. Greeley - October 29, 2010

I am sure I’m the only one who enjoyed Caprica more then BSG. Caprica was a great show. My only problem was too many story lines. I would like to end saying I don’t think we have seen the end of some of the actors.

113. rocketscientist - October 29, 2010

I’m sad to see Caprica go, but I’m not surprised. I watched the first half of its first season and enjoyed it. It was a well done drama, although I was puzzled wrt the whole virtual world technology. If they had it then, why didn’t they have it in BSG? I guess because of the paranoia with networked computers.

Anyway, as to why the show failed, I think it’s due to a couple of reasons. First, just from it’s very nature, there is no way that Caprica could have competed with the drama in BSG. BSG is all about survival. It also obviously has better avenues for action. Caprica couldn’t do that. You simply couldn’t get the same levels of drama from Caprica.

Second, it certainly didn’t help having that long break between the two sets of episodes. I didn’t even know they’d started showing the second half of the series when it came on again. I wanted to see it, but now I’ve already missed like three episodes. I think SyFy could’ve done a better job in that regard.

WRT Mr. Moore’s comments regarding the technobabble in the ST spin-offs (TNG, DS9, VOY) I think he’s right on the money. Mr. Moore is a big original ST fan (yes, I know GEN was terrible, he’s admitted that he and Braga’s script was a mess and that Nimoy was right about it), and he had a lot of problems with Gene Roddenberry’s “edicts” for TNG because they were contrary to the original show. I don’t know if the technobabble was one of GR’s, but it was definitely something that was unique to the ST spin-offs. The original show had very little technobabble compared to TNG and VOY and even DS9. I believe one of the reasons for this was the fact that the original show didn’t have acess to the sfx technology of TNG, VOY, and DS9. Making new visual sfx was a time consuming and extremely expensive process during the late 60s, so they couldn’t have those fancy TNG, DS9, and VOY science experiment episodes.

But whatever the case for the greater amount of technobabble in the ST spin-offs, I do think Mr. Moore’s correct. It does really becoming distracting, especially since so much of it is obvious nonsense.

I don’t really get why there was so much of it. Why aren’t the characters and the drama enough? Why muddy up the dialogue with so much TB? The original show didn’t need it. Stargate, BSG, and Babylon 5 didn’t need it either.

114. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - October 29, 2010

SyFy as a network needs to get a whopping kick in the pants from its viewership for its colossal mismanagement. HBO and Showtime need to get serious about high-quality, dramatic SciFi shows like Caprica — and there is hope, with HBO producing True Blood and succeeding in attracting a solid audience. Something like Caprica could prosper on a network known for excellence in writing and acting.

115. Rocket Scientist - October 29, 2010

I quite enjoyed watching Caprica’s story unfold. The show smart, sophisticated and absorbing. Unfortunately, those qualities don’t necessarily guarantee a commercially viable viewership.

Nevertheless, it’s gratifying to know that there are producers who are interested in creating shows with an artistic touch. They are willing to take creative risks with the intent to tell meaningful stories in an interesting way.

116. Captain Conrad - October 29, 2010

Well Ron, you just proved the failure of Sci-Fi without the Sci-Fi. You can’t take a science fiction concept and try to dumb it down. The technobabble plays a vital role in a sci-fi series’s universe. Without it, all you’re left with is futuristic looking drama that makes no sense anymore cause the technology is a mystery. I used to admire you as a writer Ron. Especially with your work on DS9 and the first couple season of BSG, but you’re burning out. You think people want Sci-Fi without the Sci-Fi. Looks like you’re learning the hard way that that’s not the case. I hope you make a comeback soon and realize that sci-fi can still be good and riveting even with a little technobabble.

117. Hat Rick - October 29, 2010

Count me in as one who believes that Ron Moore was and remains a consummate Trek fan. I’ve never read him write anything that couldn’t be reconciled with the views of someone who loves something enough, and has the street cred, to criticize it in a constructive and realistic way.

Not all true fans have to love everything unconditionally, even though I may be one who does.

I respect Mr. Moore for his work not only on DS9, but elsewhere as well.

118. James Tyler - October 30, 2010

Caprica is alright, but it was never going to last. It felt too much like they were making it up as they go – which isn’t a bad thing (after all, the Cylons never really had a plan) but it lagged in the V world and failed t realise the name Adama doesn’t make a show.

Instead of looking to extend BSG or Stargate – or even Trek at this stage – SyFy needs to find the NEXT big thing, instead of looking backwards.

119. Paul - October 30, 2010

After watching the pilot episode and seeing those promotional photos, I’m not really surprised it was cancelled. There’s nothing to catch the eye and capture the imagination, so to speak.
Does anybody really, seriously, truly want to watch yet another “let’s save money by using contemporal props and clothing while we pretend to make some rather cheap metaphors on current world events” series? Judging from audience numbers – obviously not. Give us some silver spacesuits, bubble helmets and good old-fashioned BEMs, fifties-style. My brain screams for some good retro-style space opera. There’s still a metric crapton of unfilmed Heinlein and P.K. Dick out there, not to mention Asimov, Simak, Lem and Strugatski brothers.

120. Will_H - October 30, 2010

Hate to say it but I’m glad they’re killing Caprica. As bad as a prequel Enterprise was, Caprica was far worse and seemed to have nothing but some names in common with BSG. I’ll give Blood and Crome a shot, but I don’t expect a lot out of it, though.

121. Scruffy the Vampire Janitor - October 31, 2010

“The guy who showed us Captain Kirk’s ultimate paradise fantasy to be chopping wood, cooking eggs, riding horses and revisiting a “new” lost love instead of his son’s mother, and then used a non-sensical time-travel device to have an excuse bring Kirk and Picard together just to throw Kirk off a bridge to make Picard feel better about his lost brother and nephew tells tus that the important thing is to be true to the characters?

He’s not completely untalented, but he is completely an arrogant douche sometimes.”

I’m not going to apologize for Moore, but BiBi Besh had passed away, and was unavailable to be Carol Marcus. The actor who played David, Merrit Butrick, had also died. So there could be no reunion fantasy.

122. Dr. Image - October 31, 2010

#54 Jai- Excellent and valid points. But still, the Starbuck resurrection/disappearance thing was a totally botched plot line, IMHO.
Craprica? Good riddance!!

123. Dom - October 31, 2010

Oh well! The Caprica characters can all potentially appear in Blood & Chrome!!

124. Steven - November 2, 2010

Does anyone else see a possible connection between these 2?

Battlestar Galactica: Blood and Chrome
Sparticus: Blood and Sand?

Are we taking are insiration from other shows? Actually, It makes sense… I LOVED sparticus, caprica, and SG:U… Were the only darn shows worth watching besides Destination truth (everyone needs a little comedy).

125. agentm31 - November 2, 2010

I’m really angry Caprica got cancelled. The last episode that was on started a really interesting plot line that in my opinion was fantastic. Cylons being used in a Tauron revolt? Awesome! But I guess its for the best. I hope Blood and chrome will solve Caprica plot lines

126. Argo - November 4, 2010

I won’t miss Caprica. It took the worst parts of the latter half of BSG (obviously making up the story as you go along, wild character shifts out of nowhere just for shock value, slow mumbo jumbo) and discarded all the best parts of the first half (insightful character moments, real suspense, real things at stake).

As far as technobabble goes, it can certainly be overused and was at times on Trek. But it’s fine in moderation. And I fail to see how replacing it with outright magic, as BSG ultimately did (and not even good magic), is an improvement.

127. Kahless - November 4, 2010

I agree with Ramjet. They should have left it on Friday nights. I guess we’ll have to hunt to find the remaining episodes online – or wait until Syfy hides them somewhere on their leftover schedule in 2011.

128. SciFiMetalGirl - November 4, 2010

I really think that the Guatral got to Ron Moore and made him do this show. Really? The Godfather in space?

Ok, ok, I can see where they wanted to try to take a lot of different story lines and blend them into one big pot that would eventually lead us to the BSG universe. I can see where they were going with that, but they needed to give us some eye candy too. The virtual world that they created had a lot of potential for that, but they didn’t give us enough of it.

And if they really wanted to expand on the BSG universe, they could have given us a lot more of the other 11 worlds. I think they we ere starting to lean a bit in that direction, but they ultimately ran out time.

129. Fan, not fan boi - November 8, 2010

@Tiber
As I recall, Moore and Braga where given a laundry list of things that had to be in the script. Moore has definitely said the movie is siht.

But let’s not forget, that Moore (and Braga) also wrote All Good Things, arguably the best Trek episode (though there’s a hole in that plot too) and Moore was very much involved in DS9, which IMNSHO, is the best Trek series (though the last part of the finale isn’t nearly as good as TNG’s All Good Things).

130. mm - December 10, 2010

sorry people caprica was lame. face it i really wanted to love the show to but i couldnt stop falling asleep when i watched it. The religious and tween storyline was crap. I did not enjoy watching a tween scify 90210 show. i fear blood and chrome is another attempt to recreate the magic bsg had. They will fail becus they are forcing the story. All they are doing is disapointing many fans of bsg.

131. Wedgeden - December 30, 2010

BSG was really good in the first 2 seasons, was ok in the third season and aside from the Gaeta mutiny plot, failed in the last season.

Season 1 – The cylons were scary and the tension was thick. Baltar was a very compelling character. Not evil but not likable.
Season 2 – The cylons were still scary and Baltar’s character grew even more compelling. The season finale was incredible!
Season 3 – First 6 episodes were amazing and then it began its slow decline. The Baltar plot was still interesting up to the trial.
Season 4 – The cylons were not threatening at all, which to me, killed the show. The original premise of the evil cylons was what made people watch the show. After Baltar was redeemed at his trial, his character was boring and his religious plot thread was uninteresting.

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