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George Takei: William Shatner Refused To Appear On-Stage With James Doohan At Farewell Con December 9, 2010

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Trek Franchise , trackback

The ongoing feud between Star Trek’s William Shatner and George Takei was reignited yesterday on the Howard Stern radio show, with Takei talking about how in 2004 William Shatner refused to join him and other Star Trek cast members for the on-stage finale of James Doohan’s farewell convention. Details and audio below.

 

Takei on Shatner’s “monstrous” refusal to join Doohan for on-stage finale

The 2004 Planet XPo "Beam Me Up Scotty…One Last Time" tribute in Hollywood, CA, was the last convention appearance for the late James Doohan, Star Trek’s Scotty, who was suffering from Alzheimer’s and passed away in 2005. The con featured appearances from William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy, Grace Lee Whitney, Majel Barrett Roddenberry, Walter Koenig, George Takei, Nichelle Nichols and other Trek and space celebrities. The event ended with most of the Star Trek stars joining a wheelchair-bound Doohan on stage for one final goodbye.


Grace Lee Whitney, Majel Barrett Roddenberry, Walter Koenig, George Takei, Nichelle Nichols and Neil Armstrong join James Doohan on stage for finale of "Beam Me Up Scotty" Planet XPo tribute in 2004 (photo: Planet XPo)

Wednesday on the Howard Stern radio show, the Stern 100 News segment discussed a now-deleted 2004 blog entry from James Doohan’s son Chris Doohan, which stated that William Shatner refused to appear on stage with Doohan for "Beam Me Up" con finale. According to Doohan, Nimoy had to leave for another event. However, Doohan’s blog says William Shatner specifically refused to participate. According to the report, Shatner told the con organizer:

Shatner: I don’t want to do this and I really don’t want to deal with all this Alzheimer’s crap.

Star Trek’s George Takei, who is appearing all week on Stern’s show, confirmed that he was there when Shatner made this refusal, saying Bill’s comment was a "monstrous statement".

Takei also stated:

Takei: It was not surprising, but yes shocking… This is the usual thing that happens, on the set whether it was the TV series or the movies, or at conventions. This was another convention where he decided he was not going to do what they wanted him to do, and he walked out.

You can listen to the news report and exchange with Takei below.

According to Chris Doohan’s original Myspace blog entry from 2004, earlier in the day at the con, Shatner participated in a photo op with Doohan and other Star Trek cast members, and at that time Shatner told Doohan "he loved him", with James returning the comment, seemingly putting their long-time feud behind them.


Nichelle Nichols, Walter Koenig, George Takei, William Shatner, and Leonard Nimoy join James Doohan for a press photo op at "Beam Me Up" Planet XPo Con in 2004 (Photo: Planet XPo via Chris Doohan’s Facebook)

TrekMovie reached out to Sky Conway, the head of PlanetXPo, to get his reaction to Takei’s comments. Conway replied via email:

Sky Conway: It’s true that Bill chose not to go on stage for the finale for personal reasons. Instead, one of Jimmy’s biggest fans went on in his place: Neal Armstrong..the first Man on the Moon.

At our show: “The Great Bird of the Galaxy” in El Paso Texas in November 2003, a celebration of Gene Roddenberry and Star Trek, Bill and Jimmy went on stage together. Behind the scenes and before they went on stage, they hugged each other, apologized and expressed their love and admiration for each other. Bill specifically asked me to get them together so he could make amends and clear the air between the two of them before it was too late.

During the Wednesday show, Howard Stern said that next time Shatner (who is a frequent guest) was on his show, he would ask him about this latest Star Trek cast controversy.

More info and photos from Doohan’s final con at PlanetXpo.com.

 

Comments

1. Lt. Bailey - December 9, 2010

It is tough to watch a friend waste away. Especially a close friend.

2. Vultan - December 9, 2010

What’s the big deal? Sounds like they traded up, getting Neil Armstrong instead of Shatner. Frankly, I’d rather meet a REAL space captain… if given the option.

3. Vultan - December 9, 2010

Oh, and Takei, let go already. The whole “feud” is now waaay past being tiresome. Just pathetic.

4. Pierss - December 9, 2010

Vultan you can spin it how you want, but Shatner made the WRONG CALL

5. Losira - December 9, 2010

Sounds to me that nobody can get their stories straight. I realy am not sure who or what to believe. I wish. I could. Find out what realy happened and what was realy saidm

6. Yob Mosher - December 9, 2010

I’m a gay man saying this but I must George you are being quite the drama queen! I was there and it was a beautiful convention and a fitting tribute.
Let it go. It would seem they did years ago.

7. jas_montreal - December 9, 2010

Oh please George Takei. Stop spreading lies. Your just pist off at Bill.

8. Dennis Bailey - December 9, 2010

Takei suffers from Shatner Derangement Syndrome. LOL

9. redskye - December 9, 2010

It’s a shame it had to be that way. Thank goodness there is no feuding with the new ST cast :)

10. StarFuryG7 - December 9, 2010

Something really doesn’t make sense here obviously. The last photo directly above shows Shatner obviously had no qualms about taking a farewell press photo with Doohan and the others, yet supposedly later in the day he wouldn’t go on stage with Doohan and the rest of the cast? :::Sigh::: Is Takei blowing this out of proportion for the sake of stirring up more “Hate Shatner” controversy? Is this what the man does to generate ‘buzz’ and get some attention? I’m not saying Shatner doesn’t have the potential to be a jerk at times, but come on, I seriously doubt he would be rotten just for the sake of being rotten when Doohan was obviously living his last days. I just find it a little hard to believe that he’s that much of a bastard, regardless of the bad blood that had previously existed between the two men, mostly on Doohan’s side rather than Shatner’s by the way, who always seemed to want to get along with the rest of the cast almost regardless of what rotten things they may have said about him on a personal level. He always seemed to be the one most interested in putting all that behind them.

11. Kevin - December 9, 2010

Oh it’s very possible that it happened. I mean, it couldn’t possibly be that he was angry and upset at seeing the man whither away… It couldn’t be that he was tired of putting on a brave face in front of a crowd… it’s an automatic jump to the idea that Shatner’s a jerk and that’s why he said that… or maybe the convention people just couldn’t get his latte right and he was upset about it. There are always multiple facets to every story.

12. J.S. Butcher - December 9, 2010

I am really sick of this Takei-Shatner thing.

13. P Technobabble - December 9, 2010

What is the purpose, really, of dredging up something like this? Does Takei need the spotlight that badly? And why didn’t he bring it up years ago, anyway? Waiting for the right moment? Geez, Louise…

14. Alec - December 9, 2010

Yes, George; we get it: Shatner didn’t particularly like, nor was he particularly nice to, the supporting cast; but let’s not forget that the same was true vice versa mutatis mutandis. Shatner’s not simply ‘the’ bag guy, here.

15. Corinthian7 - December 9, 2010

I do wish Mr Takei would let this Shatner thing go. I’m still looking forward to seeing him at the SFX Weekender next February though.

16. Alec - December 9, 2010

^that should be ‘bad’ of course…

17. Sebastian - December 9, 2010

Sounds like Shatner and Doohan said what needed to be said backstage at the earlier con in 2003 and for the photo op at the farewell con in 2004 (and Shatner did give Doohan a chance to clear the air for Shatner’s Trek memoirs in 1993, to which Doohan refused). It’s just unfortunate that Doohan’s tragic passing had to be marred by all of this pettiness (from all parties involved); but to me, it sounds like Doohan and Shatner made their peace in the end. No one else should worry about it now, really.

I think Doohan was a really great guy and his loss is still keenly felt, but in the grander scheme of things, Takei should really let it go. Keeping all of that hate and anger bottled up does not do him any good (except maybe to drive up Howard Stern’s ratings).

18. Richard Dawson's Ruffled Shirt - December 9, 2010

I want a T-shirt that says Shatner is the Bag Guy.

Seriously, though, it’s time for George to let it go. But Shatner does drag stuff out way too long too (being snubbed in Trek ’09), but seeing sixty-somethings bitching about “he doesn’t like me” is pathetic. Every time I see Takei’s name, I know he’s gonna be griping about Bill.

But what do I know? I wasn’t there — II’m just the guy who has to listen to it.

19. Richard Dawson's Ruffled Shirt - December 9, 2010

And as for the pic of Shatner with the cast… he looks OUT OF IT!!! Love it. Wanna print and frame it.

20. boborci - December 9, 2010

damn it, Jim!

21. mateo - December 9, 2010

I almost hate to ask, but, what was the drama between Doohan and Shatner? Damn, Shatner seems to have beef with everyone!

22. Kev - December 9, 2010

Yeah this is ridiculous, enough of this stupid feud. they should start acting like men, not children and on top of that there clocks are fast running out of time.

23. Dan - December 9, 2010

Shatner has a new hit show (amongst other things), while George has commercials for televisions where he’s pimping the color yellow. I would be envious of The Shat too! Just let it drop already.

24. Phaser Guy - December 9, 2010

George Takei to write a new book called, “Why I hate Shatner and the Brewery in Trek!”

25. Canadianknight - December 9, 2010

@23 – Dunno if I’d call Shat’s new show a “hit”. I found it pretty painful to watch. Although Shat is fun… the rest of the cast sucks.

That said… yeah.. enough with the feud. I have nothing but respect for George (who I was fortunate enough to meet last year) but… c’mon.. enough.

26. snoopytrek - December 9, 2010

rumor has it Mr Shatner and Mr Doohan came to some sort of understanding, or at least on Mr Shatner’s part because i think Bill truely did not understand..nor did a lot of fans..why Jimmy didn’t like Bill. And, today he doesn’t talk of it much because IMO it was a private moment shared and non of our damned business…

ive said this before on this site, have you noticed mr takei doesnt start his rant until Mr Shanter hits another career high?…his new show is a hit, just got renewed for the remainder of the season and probably next year

@6..yeah, people like takei and perez hilton and rachel maddow makes me ashamed to be gay

to mr takei…please, mary, let it go

27. mateo - December 9, 2010

@25 why rachel maddow? she seems super smart, if opinionated.

28. Vultan - December 9, 2010

#4

I wasn’t trying to “spin” it in any direction. I think they’ve both acted like idiots over the years. But if Takei would just forgive and forget and quit (publicly) beating this dead horse—well, you’d be surprised at how quickly a grudge can disappear when you stop talking about it.

29. Captain Dunsel - December 9, 2010

Does anyone else think that Shatner is not tired annoyed by Alzheimer’s but that it terrifies him? Anyone approaching his later years has to consider that something like that might strike at home. Alzheimer’s is a devastating, wicked ailment and sometimes the easiest way to deal with it is toavoid thinking about it and not be around people who are suffering from it. Perhaps that makes a man weak but it also makes him human.

I join the chorus–game over George. Time to stop being a mean widdle kid and just get on with your life.

30. dmduncan - December 9, 2010

I’m not judging anybody. Lord knows I’ve done enough shit I wish I could do over.

31. The Original Spock's Brain - December 9, 2010

Rachel Maddow is gr8!

32. Cygnus-X1 - December 9, 2010

I dunno man…

The Shat had better have a damn good explanation for this one.

And frankly, it’s hard to imagine what that might be.

33. Ensign RedShirt - December 9, 2010

Ok….Shatner can be a real ass. We’ve known this for decades.

It’s just kinda sad that the only way George can get attention these days is by hammering Shatner. Move on with your life, George. It’s pathetic.

34. GarySeven - December 9, 2010

amazing, these posts and the immaturity and simplistic thinking demonstrated. Takei is describing something Chris Doohan described first. Maybe we should therefore discredit Chris Doohan? Does anyone remember that many people, including James Doohan, found Shatner to not be a particularly good guy?

35. paustin - December 9, 2010

First off….Shatner looks thrilled in that photo. Ya know maybe its hard to relate to someone basically your own age with alzheimers because you know it could easily be you there instead. Would Doohan have reacted any differently? He was very outspoken about Shatner do I kinda doubt it.

And second…for christs sake George give it up already…just stop.

36. Dee - December 9, 2010

“TrekGossips?? … may have been difficult for Mr. Shatner to deal with the illness of Mr. Doohan … but it remains an awkward attitude for sure!!!

37. JKP - December 9, 2010

I wish Takei would just go away. He’s had more fame than he ever deserved from this and just comes off really jealous of Shatner most of the time. Shat and Nimoy were the stars, then De, then Jimmy. The rest of them were pretty interchangeable (as evidenced by the number of episodes they were in or featured in) and, frankly, were lucky to have gotten a lifetime of cash out of this. Enough already, George, just shut up and make your TV commercials in peace.

38. Kyle Cawley - December 9, 2010

LET IT GO TAKEI!! Seriously – pathetic indeed!

39. Vektor - December 9, 2010

Am I the only one who finds the quote attributed to Shatner and the circumstances under which he supposedly said it a bit hard to believe? I mean, the level of insensitivity required to actually say something like that in the presence of Doohan’s son and Takai, if not others, strains credibility even for someone with the Shat’s reputation. I’ll be very interested to hear his side of the story.

40. Brad mckenzie - December 9, 2010

Oh bababooey

41. Dee - December 9, 2010

And it’s an ugly attitude of Mr. Takei, too! …sad!!! … but ultimately they remain our idols … and nobody is perfect!!!

42. Mattyb.uk - December 9, 2010

George was a huge hit in England in the jungle programme. He was nearly queen of the jungle don’t u know

43. Christopher_Roberts - December 9, 2010

Ladies, ladies… can’t we all just get along?

…or else, just settle this with a massive foodfight?

I’ll bring the cream flans.

44. keachick - December 9, 2010

Not again. The tacky, tactless Takei is doing it again. He’s having a go at Shatner, this time using James Doohan’s memory. Good grief. Has George Takei no class at all?

I think there are three things the new cast of Star Trek should remember (and heed) maybe and they are:
1. Never tell fans to “get a life”
2. Don’t let your character be killed off – especially if you are captain
3. Don’t air OTHER cast members’ “dirty laundry” in public.

Yes, I think that Shatner, like a lot of people, probably does have problems with dealing with alzheimers. After all, a lot of Boston Legal dealt with that topic, Shatner’s character fearing he had what he called “mad cow disease”. It may have been a way of helping Shatner come to terms, cope with the nature/prospect of the disease. I’m sure the programme also helped a lot of viewers as well in this respect. Did William Shatner start acting as Denny Crane in Boston Legal not long after James Doohan’s death, I wonder?

45. Bob Tompkins - December 9, 2010

Without Shatner, Takei’s career would be so over he wouldn’t even be a footnote in Hollywood.

46. Chris Doohan - December 9, 2010

39.
” I mean, the level of insensitivity required to actually say something like that in the presence of Doohan’s son and Takai, if not others, strains credibility even for someone with the Shat’s reputation”

I agree, it’s hard to believe. Had I not heard it myself, I wouldn’t believe it. I’ve known Bill since I was seven, and have talked to him on numerous occasions. That being said, I don’t think he could pick me in a police line-up. If I walked by any of the other cast members, they would know me in an instant.

Truthfully, there’s much about Bill that I like and I think he’s very talented. I wish him the best.

47. La Violetta - December 9, 2010

You know what I think I’m loving most about 2009’s Star Trek? The fact that THAT crew of the Enterprise isn’t mired in so much private feuding as to tarnish the perception of an American phenomenon. It’s hard to remember the heroes we grew up with when the they’re so often taking jabs at each other.

48. Chris Doohan - December 9, 2010

PS Don’t blame George, he’s just responding and corroborating my encounter. Pick on me if you wish…I can take it.

49. Do You Wanna Dance - December 9, 2010

@1: Are you referring to Shatner? LOL

50. Chingatchgook - December 9, 2010

I’m very fond of both Shatner and Takei, but honestly. I’d seriously like to slap them both on the side of the head. C’mon kids, get over it. Life is too short.

51. efm - December 9, 2010

To all those putting George down; Doonans own family member is the one who put the story on the net for all to see.
Oh, and have we all forgotten how much of a jerk Shatner is? Um, how about the time De’s little dog was killed on Paramounts lot by a sprinkler, Shatners reaction?
Laughter.
The guy may have brought life to the Character of Capt Kirk, but the man himself deserves everything he gets in the press and more. Don’t blame George for Bill’s unwarrented ego and general ass-clown-ness, seriously people, your hero worship is what is pathetic. Shatner isn’t a hero-hes an actor with deep problems-why stick up for the guy? If he doesn’t want people to make fun of him and or hate him-its simple, stop acting like a jerk.

52. Hugh Hoyland - December 9, 2010

Chris that being said, what you took from that is Shatner basically didn’t appear onstage out of some sort of narcissistic motivation? I mean if he made that statement how could it not be taken any other way?

53. Ringo Starr - December 9, 2010

Takei needs to drop this feud with Shatner. He is making himself seem petty.

54. Sallah - December 9, 2010

Just wanted to say thanks to Chris for chiming in here and standing up for George. I was really surprised to see the backlash towards him here. All George did was confirm that it happened…

And I am sorry that happened Chris. Incredibly rude on the Shat’s part.

55. JimmyMac - December 9, 2010

True or not, why does George have to create controversy, bringing up, and denigrating the history of Star Trek. This type of commentary doesn’t do anyone anygood, expect for trying to make us all feel bad.

Give it up George, now I don’t even want to meet you.

56. Chang - December 9, 2010

I’ve always thought it was really sad how the original cast just seemed to divide. I’m not sure if it was the case with the other shows but if it was they certainly hide it well. I mean Robert Piccardo said in an interview the Voyager cast still try to grab dinner together every now and again.

It’s just such a shame that they don’t seem to want to appear together unless it’s a convention.

57. Kent Butabi - December 9, 2010

My wife likes to stay away from the ‘real’ stories about celebs, and this is a perfect example.

58. Shatoupee - December 9, 2010

Why all the negativity toward Takei? Howard Stern brought it up and asked Takei about it; Takei didn’t bring it up. And Shatner’s an ass.

59. Eric Holloway - December 9, 2010

It seems to me that Star Trek fans for the past 40 years have asked anyone associated with this show about everything imaginable. So why would anyone be surprised that this story would be brought up, and in this case brought up again since it was first made public in 2004. Then you must remember it was brought up on the Stern show. Why you may ask? For whatever shock value it could generate, they needed a controversy that hasn’t been rehashed a thousand times and this was it. So stop bashing on George or the next time you go to a convention don’t allow people to ask questions about the past because you don’t want to hear it. You just didn’t want to hear it because it’s in house fighting amongst the cast. Guess what, they dealt with it for 44 years and if they want to tell the fans that side of the story then why not? I am sure we have made them repeat the same stories for years and now at this point in their lives they are getting off their chests.I wasn’t there, they were and if Bill was a jerk to them he shouldn’t cry foul now.

60. Greg2600 - December 9, 2010

Howard Stern is a dirtbag for bringing this up, and forcing Chris even to read and have to comment on such a thing. I don’t blame Takei either, Stern is just a putrid person.

61. DS9 IN PRIME TIME - December 9, 2010

I am surpised that Shatner would act like a child… THERE HAS TO BE ANOTHER SIDE TO THE STORY!

62. Capt Mike of the Terran Empire - December 9, 2010

Hey Chris. I and along with the rest of the Trek Universe are still very sad about your Dad. I think that this whole thing should be left behind as that is the only place it belongs. From what I read Bill and your Dad made amends and huged and that’s kool with me. Did Bill make a mistake in what he did. Yes. No question about it. But they did hug and say they loved each other. I see the orignal cast members as a family and with all familys theres always some heat so to speak. But it is time to let it go and dare I say. Live Long and Prosper.

63. Captain_Z - December 9, 2010

Let it go already… seriously it’s old and VERY VERY SAD!

64. jas_montreal - December 9, 2010

ITS TIME WE PUT GEORGE TAKEI AND BILL SHATNER INTO AN ESCAPE POD AND SHIT THEIR BUTTS OFF TO THE ICY PLANET OF DELTA VEGA. Oh wait… didn’t they already do that with Alternate-Kirk.

perfect idea for the sequel: get sulu and kirk and throw them both into an escape pod !

65. Capt Mike of the Terran Empire - December 9, 2010

Actualy. I say put them both in the Agoniser Booth for a few hours.

66. Jason - December 9, 2010

Isn’t the bigger story that george takei has bed bugs

67. Andy Patterson - December 9, 2010

I watched my Dad waste away and go badly . It’s hard to see. Maybe Shatner had trouble being around the harshness of it all. Let the feud go. Old news. George, you two guys are getting old too. See what good you can do together maybe.

68. Chris Doohan - December 9, 2010

62

Well said. Have a Merry Christmas everyone and yes, LLAP

69. storygirl - December 9, 2010

Sometimes people get upset when confronted with the prospect of death, and a person not secure in their ability to control their emotions, angry with themselves for it and angry at a disease (which could be denounced as ‘crappy’ as the *mildest* way of putting it) claiming a friend’s life and at the whole idea of their dying in general, wouldn’t want to go in front of a crowd and be expected to express certain things. They just don’t want to deal with it and don’t want others to see that they can’t. I know, because I’ve felt that way at the recent death of a friend. I was told to go in and see the body and I refused, went outside, wanted to leave, felt frustrated when I couldn’t do that, either, and angry at myself for being emotional and feeling weak and being unable to hide it in front of people. I just *didn’t want to do it*.

I’m not saying I know what Mr. Shatner’s feelings or motivations were in saying or doing anything he said or did in this case. I’m just saying that if he was coming from a similar emotional place as me, then I understand it – either you know how it feels or you don’t, you’re that type of personality or you’re not, but if so it wouldn’t have been meant as an insult to Mr. Doohan.

Tmi rant over.

70. Kev-1 - December 9, 2010

Don’t care about this anymore, it’s personal and impossible to consider objectively — unless you know each party involved. I understand there are hurt feelings,though. How about some news on ST12?

71. dmduncan - December 9, 2010

69. storygirl – December 9, 2010

Not tmi. You put that well.

72. Commodore Kor'Tar U.S.S. Kahless NCC-76108 - December 9, 2010

Reminds me of the old claymation show “Celeberity Throwdown” There needs to be a claymation throwdown between a clay Takei and a clay Shatner, or Robot chicken do one with the action figures. I can’t believe no one’s thought of this before!

73. Captain A - December 9, 2010

I really hate when TREKMOVIE posts stuff like this. If I want to read gossip, I’ll go over to Perez Hilton. This is hardly newsworthy. Posting this was in poor taste.

74. Magic_Al - December 9, 2010

I agree with Captain Dunsel. I believe Shatner is terrified of aging and death. The fear controls him. He takes as many jobs as he can because he thinks he can make himself too busy to die.

Shatner did show up for James Doohan’s celebration, but I suggest that by the end, he became unable to process or accept the building emotions around him, because he imagined himself in James Doohan’s place and couldn’t deal with it. He got pissed off, said something insensitive, and bolted. Maybe it’s not unlike the seemingly flippant comments Paul McCartney made while trying to get away from reporters who confronted him the day of John Lennon’s murder: “Drag, isn’t it? Okay, cheers, bye-bye.”

If Shatner can’t apologize, maybe it’s because he still can’t acknowledge the emotions he was trying to avoid in the first place. Some people have trouble being there for other people, especially if it makes them reevaluate themselves. It’s not admirable but it’s a limitation I can unfortunately identify with. I just hope I never say anything THAT bad.

75. Cervantes - December 9, 2010

Gah, I take it this means there’ll eventually be a follow-up article to this featuring Bill’s response, when Stern eventually gets his chance to dredge this distasteful trivia again?

#57 Kent Butabi – your wife has the right idea I reckon.

Lots of actors/actresses have been asshats in various ways over the years, and will continue to be, but I try not to let that put me off their onscreen performances or ‘characters’. I’m still looking forward to Tom’s next ‘Mission Impossible’ and Mel’s ‘Beaver’ shennanigans at the end of the day, despite any personal failings…

#9 redskye – just give it a little more time… ;)

76. Cervantes - December 9, 2010

Oh, and I was hoping to find one of Rosario’s excellent movie news round-ups when I checked in just now, rather than this ongoing nonsense.

By the way, I reckon #69 storygirl’s take on this could certainly account for how Bill clumsily worded things at the time.

77. TBonz - December 9, 2010

You know, I learned long ago, when meeting a (non-Trek) celebrity, that the people behind the famous faces run the gamut from jerks to awesome people. The same has been true of the Trek actors/actresses I’ve met. Some were sweet and gracious, some were just utter jerks.

The lesson I took away from my various encounters is that celebrities are human beings, with all the flaws that may come with that. One has two choices; either to accept them as they are, or to do one’s best to not know anything about them so that one can still admire them.

I wish we didn’t see the pettiness and the not-so-nice actions, but that comes with the territory. I think in the case of actors, they are partly driven by the need for attention with a dash of ego, so clashes may happen a bit more often as a result if they feel someone (fellow actor) is stealing their thunder.

My interaction with Shatner was very limited, but he was polite which was all that is required of anyone and I was content as I’ve heard stories and was prepared for worse. Doohan was a fan favorite, he was one of the ones who enjoyed interacting with people and he was lively and fun, ditto for Takei. I have met actors who seem to be nice, but are mocking and you know the second the door shuts behind the crowd, that the knives must come out.

I appreciate the Trek celebrities that are kind and friendly as I know that in spite of the adulation, Trek fans must freak them out sometimes, so they really get props for interacting with us in spite of that.

78. snoopytrek - December 9, 2010

gotta say one more thing…guess what takes the starch outta my dress is i know these are real people, actors living their lives as we do. but i suppose i like to live a few minutes each day i get the chance to sit down in front of my tv and watch any vision of Trek, letting the imagination believe the E or the other ships/stations are really out there..but this is reality and people have their quirks

and then a brief moment to allow the fantasy and the reality to cross when i get to meet, shake hands with the people that portray the characters of the imagination…it is hard to look at these pics of Mr Doohan, as it is for any of us, because i have a brief moment in reality where i met the man, shook his hand and had my pic taken standing right beside him

got to do the same with Mr Kelly. i, as we all do, miss these fine gentlemen

ok its late and ive rattled enough

79. David C. Roberson - December 9, 2010

While it is obvious that Stern is a dirt bag (when wasn’t he?), Takei has never seemed absolutely thrilled at the prospect of spreading juicy gossip. Or giving some opinion that will get him press.
When I was 13, I saw him at a convention. He was telling the entire crowd that he had just appeared in Voyager, that it was a semi-pilot for a new Excelsior show. Of course, he called it, “my Captain Sulu series.” For years, he was everywhere, complimenting and praising TPTB for their excellent work on Star Trek. Gene, he said, would be proud. Then Enterprise was announced. Takei came out and said that everything after TNG was a disgrace, that Berman and co. were destroying the legacy of Trek. He even complained about them going backwards with a prequel (and what would a Sulu series be, George?) After I read that, I had little to no respect for him. You can go dig through the archives at Treknation if you don’t believe me. He’s a wind bag. And as much as I disliked Voyager, there was no part of me that wanted a Captain Sulu series.

80. David C. Roberson - December 9, 2010

# 73 – This is a STAR TREK NEWS site. Some people find it interesting. After all, you clicked on it. You read it. Don’t read it if it bothers you. You can’t jump in like an eager beaver and then get pissed that the site posted it. It was pretty obvious from the title what the piece was about.

81. Jim Nightshade - December 9, 2010

Thanx for clarifying the facts Chris D–I agree if anyone wants to blame anyone for insensitivity blame shock jock Stern–he brought it up–I also feel very bad for Chris and family cuz what Shatner said was extremely insensitive, very ego self centered driven—but as others have suggested, perhaps this outburst was because Shatner was really emotionally hurting seeing his old friend like that–forcing him to face the grim reaper–and all of our own mortality–he did pose with Jimmy earlier and he does look like hes in pain,the only one not smiling–maybe he did waht he could but fatigue and mortality turned him into a grumpy old man for a while–None of us are perfect-i like to think jimmy n bill did make piece the year before and this was mostly just shatner having a bad day facing mortality and feeling helpless n hopeless about jimmy–and hiding his sorrow with anger and impatience–Me and my gal met george t. at a vegas 40th ann creation con at a breakfast in the beni hana–other stars were kinda distant n cool, refusing our request to take a pix with em cuz creation said they couldnt–when george came to our table hes smiled n said yes and took a pic with us-he smiled n laughed talking to us all he also told the best n funniest stories–later during a paid pix with george n walter n nichelle george said to us in his distinctive speech pattern that “i rememer you,we enjoyed breakfast together earlier” My slightly disabled gf was so happy he remembered us–made our day–so we luv george–it was our first n probably only con–havent been able to afford it again but george made it special–we will always treasure the memory-

82. bill hiro - December 9, 2010

I’d also like to add that I mourned your father’s loss from afar, Mr. Doohan. I admired and adored him, and I am so sorry for his loss to you and your family. He was a one of a kind, which you undoubtedly know better than any of us.

83. gingerly - December 9, 2010

Anybody ever see Hot Tub Time Machine?

I get the feeling that this is a situation where you have that one friend who is kind of jerk, but he’s still their jerk.

At least that’s the vibe I get.

May not be fair, but no one is doing poorly because of Trek. And no one is getting any younger either. Best to put up with the blemishes while you still can.

84. Creepy Gordon Jump from the "Diffrent Strokes" Episode - December 9, 2010

Well,

If I was Shatner and Stern askes about this I’d tell him to mind his own f’ing business. Doohans son should not have brought this up in the first place and this was 6 plus years ago? Both Takei and Doohan have/had alot of anger for the Shat and I don’t think he gave a S#it about it. It’s all about Egos and having been to con’s with both Takei and Doohan they both just loved having their asses kissed by fans and when they talked about a personal issue with Shat people cheered and made it worse.

The rest of the “Gilligans Island” cast have made a living on the crumbs of Trek and even Doohans son has sold crap on Ebay with his fathers name attached to it to sell so his words don’t really have weight with me and others. Keep the personal crap to yourself……..

Dad always said “If you find the ass you will be sure to find the hole”

85. Mr.Scotty - December 9, 2010

Its amazing the obvious ‘anti gay’ sentiment directed towards Mr. Takei it may well happen to be true what he said. And all I read is ‘drama queen’ type comments. Utterly disturbed.

86. Jim Nightshade - December 9, 2010

Well #83 Creepy–your only comment I agree with is that Shatner should tell stern its none of his business n its personal–no reason to keep bringing it up and beatin the dead horse so to speak–i am glad a lot of us dont have your cynical attitude Mr Creepy–

87. Red Dead Ryan - December 9, 2010

This is a shame. A real shame, indeed. I wish Gene Roddenberry were still around to put an end to this once and for all. You’d think with DeForrest Kelley, James Doohan and Gene and Majel Roddenberry gone, William Shatner and George Takei would just bury the hatchet because life is way too short for ongoing feuds.

They don’t have many years left. Will either guy end up regretting it all when the other passes away first?

I hope that William Shatner tries again to reach out to George Takei and that Takei takes his hand and shakes.

Because no one wants to remember both actors for their late-life feud. We want to remember them for their contributions to Star Trek and other things.

88. Will_H - December 9, 2010

Seems like both Shatner and Takei need to let this whole thing go. Neither of them are young any more and they should make peace before its too late.

89. Capes - December 9, 2010

A few things come to mind…..

Alzheimer’s is brutal and I watched it take my grandmother away a piece at a time over six years. It is an S.O.B to have to sit and watch and it will beat you to the ground emotionally to have to see, watch, and be around it if you let it.

I have met Shatner.( He was cordial to the fans at the time.) I have always been in the tank for all things Cap’t Kirk and Trek related. Anyone who is a Trek fan knows more details and history on this franchise in most cases than they do about the geo-political structure of their own country. ( I count myself among those people.) So let’s take a minute to think about some things….

In my opinion, Shatner has never seemed truly comfortable in his own skin with his public persona. He comes off a little contrived at times. It is clear that he has never been truly comfortable letting people in to see him in a “real” “exposed” moment . He is fortunate that his career has afforded him enough “layers” that at the age of 80 people have enough information to feel that they know him and subsequently he is somewhat bulletproof now because there is sooo much history out there. Once in a while he will make a passing reference to his and Nimoy’s mortality but then continues to move at breakneck speed to the next project almost as if he can stay ahead of that mortality. Who knows……that just might carry him for the next decade. (I for one hope he is successful.) His ability for self promotion is impressive and I think more than a few of us live a little vicariously to see just how long he can go……I’m 42 and have been a fan since I was 5……his ability to keep pushing is now potential motivation to keep living life to it’s fullest, bravely until we can’t do it anymore. More importantly still, is to not be here for one minute longer if we can’t do it anymore. I think that it is very possible that Shatner didn’t like being reminded of his own mortality…….felt exposed, might have even felt a little more vulnerable than usual, and didn’t want to be there one more minute. Simple as that. Does that make it ok? No. But it also doesn’t make him worthy of being villified either. It might mean he’s human, and he has baggage and flaws, and at that moment in time he had to get the hell away from that moment because it was truly an ending. Endings can be scary as hell. They leave you exposed. Shatner has never been good at being exposed that way.

I met Mr. Doohan twice. He was approachable, damn charming, and entertaining as hell. His final appearances were well deserved, necessary, and very painful to watch. Much as if a member of your family didn’t have much longer…….you knew the end was coming and didn’t want to be there to watch it…….felt guilty for feeling that way about the situation……and still wanted to be anywhere else…..and felt bad about that too. Now, go feel any part of that…….and do it on stage in front of a few thousand people. I’m not excusing Shatner’s actions but I am pointing to his possible frailties and demons. The man is clearly working hard at out-running his mortality for a while longer. I hope he succeeds.

Personally, I stll miss Mr. Doohan’s presence in the public domain because he was extended “virtual” family. But I feel lucky because there is so much of his work out there. So in a way he IS still out there. At the end of the day, life is too damn short to cling to bitterness, anger, or feeling overshadowed by anything. The average lifespan is 76 years. That is 27,740 days to either make a difference or to not make a difference. It isn’t worthy, or worthwhile to fester on why anyone sucks in some capacity. Guess what folks…….we’ve all got a little baggage somewhere.

This is just my opinion……that and $1.25 will buy you a Coke in most places. Thanks for reading this far…..

John Capes

90. thebiggfrogg - December 10, 2010

Agreed Stern is an ass. Just seems to enjoy stirring this pot. I think the bile should be directed his way.

Sounds like a horrible statement on Shatner’s part, but who really knows the full story of what was going on in Shatner’s head. Context is everything. It isn’t always what it seems. In psych they call it Fundamental Attribution Error.

91. Iowagirl - December 10, 2010

I love TOS. Wonderful show.

92. Phobos - December 10, 2010

hahaha so much controversy. I love it. lol

93. AJ - December 10, 2010

It seems to me the only person having a feud is Takei. I’ve never heard Shatner bash him anywhere near as hard as he bashes Shatner, or as many times. The one thing I do constantly hear and see is Takei bad mouthing Shatner calling him everything from homophobic to racist and incessantly drudging up past events.

It’s time for Takei to move on and give it a rest. Shatner is far more successful, popular and well liked than Takei will ever be. Every time Takei opens his mouth about Shatner he only hurts himself.

94. Andy Matner - December 10, 2010

I remember reading something that De Kelly had said about Shatner. Something along the lines of “he (Shatner) has a real fear of seeing death, being around it, seeing it happen to loved ones & friends. He’d joke around & play up anything to avoid facing it directly” I’m paraphasing here, but I think it was from the book by De’s friend & carer Kristine M Smith.
Some people just can’t cope with death face on
If what Shatner said was true, then it was insensitive. But we all say things that are insensitive. The only difference is our comments aren’t re-hashed time & time again.

95. SirBroiler - December 10, 2010

Don’t blame George for brining it up. Howard 100 News dug up that nugget initiating the conversation about it. George was asked to recount the story and he did.

I think we can all agree, Shatner is a prima donna who clearly can’t effectively cope with aging and mortality.

Subconsciously, George has or had some type of attraction or love for Shatner, and his outward disdain for him is some attempt at suppressing those feelings.

I still hope Howard can somehow get them into a room together – because it will end with them killing each other, or the two finally making out. Either will be fascinating.

96. Captain Presley - December 10, 2010

I’m sick of George talking about this and I’m tired of this site covering non-stories like this. This is why I only check this site every couple of months any more. I’ll check back when I get word ‘Star Trek 2012′ is in production.

97. P Technobabble - December 10, 2010

How many people are comfortable with death — thinking about it, talking about it, contemplating that it’s inevitable?
No human being is without flaws or faults.
I suppose there’s a bit of Shatner and Takei in all of us, and vice versa — since we’re all of the same species. But we like to point fingers and criticize each other as if we’re not.

98. Nuallain - December 10, 2010

I don’t think there’s any real doubt Shatner didn’t want to go out on that stage. I very much doubt he’d deny that happened if he’s ever asked, What we don’t know – can’t know really – is his motivation in that refusal.

It doesn’t *seem* to have been any personal issue with Doohan himself, as he seems to have made peace with him by then and been fine with him even earlier at the same event. It may well be that he was uncomfortable with the ‘goodbye’ thing as it’s almost a funereal thing to do. Some people would find it a great mark of respect to the person in that situation, some people would find it kind of *disrespectful* to them. Neither point of view is right or wrong – they’re creations of real human feelings.

Perhaps Shatner fell into the camp of feeling that he didn’t want to be part of something he found personally inappropriate. Perhaps, in the manner of unreligious people who still go to their friend’s funeral in a church and sing along with everyone else, he should have allowed himself to be steered more by what the *Doohan family* thought was appropriate or not. I can see all sides.

Or perhaps he really is a mustache twirling villain who yells “screw you castmates!” as he vanishes into the night. I really couldn’t tell you. And, maybe, even the people who were there couldn’t tell you for sure either.

99. captain_neill - December 10, 2010

It seems to me that the TNG cast are the group who are all still the closest of friends to this day.

100. Romy - December 10, 2010

Amazing how Shatner’s apologists always “shoot the messenger(s)”.

Shat is clearly a self-centered, crass, insensitive, egotistical jerk – always has been, always will be. I’m sure he doesn’t set out to be a jerk, but there are too many people who agree about his attitude for it not to be true.

Still, given the ‘substitute’ was Neil Armstrong, I’d call that a result!

101. Victor - December 10, 2010

Could it be that Bill just could take it …
I know many of Jimmy’s fans who did not want to see him when his health began failing, they would start crying and such.

Many people can’t deal with that.

What was between Bill and Jimmy was between Bill and Jimmy…
and has NOTHING to do with the issues between George and Bill.

George, grow the hell up, and get over it.
Do your commercials, enjoy your spouse, stop wasting time on hating.

What about just get your heart right with God …and move on.

102. Martin Pollard - December 10, 2010

I can’t be the only one sick and tired of seeing these people essentially piss all over their legacy. Between Takei’s inability to let go of the past, and Shatner essentially having turned into a pathetic caricature of himself (“Shit My Dad Says” is pretty much “Shit On My TV”), I’m frankly weary of the whole goddamn thing, and at this point, I want nothing more to do with ANY of them.

103. John Gill - December 10, 2010

I love The Shat, but he does look like he would rather be somewhere else in that group photo…

104. Dave H - December 10, 2010

James Doohan was an awesome man the times I got to meet him. He did’nt have an egotistical bone in his body. I wish Shatner woukd just shut up and Takei stop pandering to Howrd Stern and shut up about this also.
EVERYBODY JUST GROW UP!!!!!!!!

105. Horatio - December 10, 2010

Shut up already, George. I’ve grown so tired of you.

106. chrisfawkes.com - December 10, 2010

We hear about the Shat behaving like a jerk but we get to see Takei behaving like a jerk.

I wish i didn’t have to say that but such bad form.

107. VZX - December 10, 2010

Its just like the movie Galaxy Quest.

108. Basement Blogger - December 10, 2010

I am not sure if the Shat meant that in a mean way or was weary of dealing with his friend ‘s sickness. Regardless, they had a picture with Neill Armstrong! The original cast with the first man on the moon. I can’t recall if there was ever a picture of Neill Armstrong with the cast. That’s what should be remembered.

109. Denny - December 10, 2010

IMHO, if Shatner had appeared on stage with Doohan, Takei would currently be ripping into him for upstaging Doohan in his final appearance.

Sometimes you just can’t win no matter what you do.

As for the statement he supposedly made, I can read into that that it was difficult to see him in the state that he was in, especially to deal with it in front of a crowd of people.

110. CmdrR - December 10, 2010

Chris — I’m sure you have better memories of Bill Shatner. I hope you hold onto them. Not that you don’t deserve to express the negatives. It’s just that I know families and close friends sometimes screw up… even over and over. I’d hope only that you remember some good stuff, too.
My mom was extremely difficult at the end. I had to play peacemaker, so one of her oldest friends could say ‘good-bye’ and not get stuck with a sour set of feelings. Nothing is easy in longterm relationships… but, they are the truest gold.

Merry Christmas, folks.

111. rogue_alice - December 10, 2010

Hey, I am on George’s side. It has been obvious that Bill can be “eccentric” at times.

Yes, the feud is long running and tiresome but I think the ball is in Bill’s court here. He could extend and olive branch instead of being so bullheaded.

112. chrisfawkes.com - December 10, 2010

@110, are you trolling or are you serious? Quote me anything negative Shatner has said to contribute to the “feud”.

This is all one sided.

113. jas_montreal - December 10, 2010

@ 110.

Their too stubborn now to do that. Especially Takei and Shatner.

114. rogue_alice - December 10, 2010

The man is stubborn. He like the spotlight and always has. He doesn’t have much of a concept of “sharing”. Certainly he is the STAR of Star Trek but the lesser actors contributed to and Star Trek would not be what it is without them.

115. Scooter - December 10, 2010

Everyone deals with death and dying friends/family in different ways. It sounds like Shat was on good terms with Doohan before his death. It could be Shat simply could not deal with it differently. It is incredibly difficult to see someone you have known most of your life wasting away from Alzheimer’s. This sickness strips away everything and everyone you have ever known.

116. CmdrR - December 10, 2010

114 – I agree. I think Shat had a terrible way of expressing his discomfort with seeing Jimmy’s illness. I felt the same way about visiting my grandmother in the nursing home. That doesn’t mean I didn’t love her; but it was so hard to see her disintegrate. Shat could have been much more considerate, but he said what he said.

117. Eviva - December 10, 2010

Gorge Takei is rude, wicious old man. He can think only about his envy and jelousy. He hates Shat, because Shat is all-the-way better than him. Shame on you, Sulu!

118. GarySeven - December 10, 2010

I was thinking about ST II The Wrath of Khan, particularly the “Kobyashi Maru”, which is the “no-win scenario. ” Alzheimer’s is like that, it is a “no-win scenario.”
I remember what Kirk said about the Kobyashi Maru: : “There’s no correct resolution, it’s a test of character.”
Well, it is true that people deal with death and dying in different ways, but I think one of the reasons people vary is because of the composition of their characters, and difficult circumstances are indeed test of characters. Shatner, in my opinion, failed the test.

119. Vulcan Soul - December 10, 2010

There is no doubt that Shatner’s ego will need its own tomb stone when he bites the dust soon ;)

120. Shrink - December 10, 2010

Shatner probably didn’t want to get ambushed by a bunch of also-rans and glorified extras that have done nothing but complain about a bunch of crap that doesn’t even matter … for 40+ years …

If I were him, I wouldn’t bother showing up either. I’d be chilling with Leonard and De (if he were still around).

121. ensign joe - December 10, 2010

I have absolutely no knowledge of any of this.

122. John from Cincinnati - December 10, 2010

When watching the extras on the original movie DVD’s I got the strong impression that Shatner fears death. I mean, really has a problem with it. That’s how I take his statement “I don’t want to do this and I really don’t want to deal with all this Alzheimer’s crap”. In this context, read it again. Shatner is fearful of death and Alzheimer’s. It was out of fear, not a slam against James Doohan and his condition.

123. Doctor Sevrin - December 10, 2010

Shatner has an ego problem, and Takei has no class. The late Mr. Doohan was always a gentleman on the numerous occasions I met him, and his son seems very cool also.

124. John from Cincinnati - December 10, 2010

P.S.

Neil Armstrong is a real space Captain.

William Shatner just played one on TV.

125. John from Cincinnati - December 10, 2010

Shatner does have an ego but I think he is more fearful of death. Watching all his co-stars age and die must make him feel really really uncomfortable as it would the rest of us right?

126. Author of "The Vulcan Neck PInch for Fathers" - December 10, 2010

@122 Absolutely. I’ve heard him say as much in an interview, though darned if I can remember precisely when. It is one of the reasons that drives him to work perpetually, which was a comment he made as well.

127. subatoi - December 10, 2010

I was at the con, my first and last (for now), and it was very exciting. Getting to see all the guys and shake Armstrong’s hand. Unforgettable.
BTW, Doohan stood at the end, supported by the family:
http://www.starbase972.com/contents/doohan/doohanscottyend.jpg

128. Horatio - December 10, 2010

@122 – I totally agree.

I think Shatner is afraid of death. I’ve heard him make some comments about it through the years. In his directors comments for ST:V he even refers to it. I think this is why he is working so hard and has so very many projects going on. He is running from death.

He knows the predator is out there. To quote from Generations: “..it’s stalking you. Oh,you can try and outrun it with doctors, medicines, new technologies but in the end, time is going to hunt you down… and make the kill.”

I think this sums up Shatner. I bet his seeing Jimmy Doohan in that condition really unnerved him and sparked a fear within him that perhaps one day that will be his destiny. Just a hunch, but I bet i’m right. Even Shatner isn’t so egotistical to show up for Doohan but then dog on him.

129. Chris Doohan - December 10, 2010

127. subatoi

Meeting Mr. Armstrong was a great moment for me as well.

123. Doctor

Thanks

130. Chris Doohan - December 10, 2010

20. Bob

LOL

131. Al - December 10, 2010

Remind me, who among Doohan, Takei, Koenig, etc was billed and who was a day player?

132. Doctor Sevrin - December 10, 2010

Whenever Mr. Doohan, Koenig, or Ms. Nichols spoke about their relationship with Shatner, they spoke about feelings of hurt & dissapointment, and they had some valid points. When Takei talks about it, he is his usual classless, crass, crude self. He only got some work recently due to his exposure on Howard Stern, who keeps having him on because he makes a fool out of himself & it’s histerical and therefore great for ratings. Nobody cares about your sex life George – they’re laughing at you, not with you.

133. jas_montreal - December 10, 2010

Shatner and Takei’s story is becoming similar to the Khan story. Men looking for revenge. Destroying themselves from within.

The Wrath of Shatner.

The Wrath of Takei.

134. Michael - December 10, 2010

Come on! This is PAY radio w/ a renowned shock disc jock! Howard Stern doesn’t do PSA’s! They wants controversy, ratings, mud, etc.
It seems William ONLY behaves when he’s ON camera(he’s sly). He had promises of better storyline/screen time as Sulu on orig. series, but filming of Green Berets delayed his getting back seaon 2, and Koenig got all his good opportunities. How many asian amercians do YOU see on tv/movies?
I’d be bitter too. And the fact that Shatner reuined a scene written for STII giving Sulu a command. Even Nichelle Nichols told Bill when he was writting a book years ago….”Do you want to know why we all hate you?”

135. Robman007 - December 10, 2010

I’m not sure he ruined the Trek II Sulu scene as much as pointed out how much of a mistake (or, illogical) it would be to essentially have your character written out of future movies so he could get a fictional command. His future participation in movies would feel forced and added on. Worked out in the end, I think.

As much as I love all the characters, Star Trek was a product of the 1960’s, and in saying that, the stars of the show were Kirk, Spock and McCoy. Scotty would have been the only secondary character that I would consider to be a “also starring.”

Example, look at “The Doomsday Machine.” Lt Palmer (?) the comm officer, her lines were lines that Uhura would have read, and no difference would have been made. Walter Koenig did not even appear until Season 2, and not in a ton of episodes, and George disappeared to do his own thing for most of the Season 2 anyways. It was not until the convention scene that they became a collective cast because they had nothing really big to do during that time in the first place. Oh course Shatner and Nimoy would take the reins and work with script control to fix issues in scripts for quality reasons. It was a different beast then in 1966-1969 then future Trek productions.

As for Shatner and Takei, I usually don’t see Shatner even respond to Takei’s cracks until much later, and he usually just responds with the same old dry humor he seems to always go by. Takei brings it out into the open FAR FAR more then Shatner seems too, which is sad.

And yes, Shatner has said that Death and growing old have been mortal fears of his forever. He had issues with Trek II because of the themes with growing old. Some folks just come across as jerks when they attempt to express that fear.

It is kinda nice that Leonard Nimoy just says nothing unless he is in a chat with Shatner. Somethings are best kept behind closed doors, and I admire him for keeping these topics behind those closed doors.

136. Dennis Bailey - December 10, 2010

#132: “Whenever Mr. Doohan, Koenig, or Ms. Nichols spoke about their relationship with Shatner, they spoke about feelings of hurt & dissapointment, and they had some valid points. When Takei talks about it, he is his usual classless, crass, crude self. ”

That’s reasonably accurate.

It’s not necessary to absolve Shatner of a single accusation in order to be way past tired of Takei’s schtick.

137. Joel1245 - December 10, 2010

I like Shatner as Kirk and he’ll always be Kirk in my eyes but sadly to say, Shatner in real life is a real douchebag.

138. joe - December 10, 2010

#96
I agree that this site has too many stories that don’t really amount to anything but that is only because there just isn’t enough Star Trek to tell the kind of stories you and I both would like to read about. The new movie is coming along but until we get a new series we will just have to settle with a lot of non stories as you called it.

139. Phil - December 10, 2010

20. boborci – December 9, 2010

Damn it, Jim, I’m an actor, not a therapist!!

Props to Chris Doohan for taking the high road here. Tell you what, instead of everyone bitching about Bill vs. George, in the spirit of the season click on the Alzheimers Association and make a donation. Make James D. proud.
http://www.alz.org/index.asp

140. Phil - December 10, 2010

There, I put my money where my mouth is. Anyone else?

141. Dr. Cheis - December 10, 2010

This seems like less of a story about the Takei-Shatner feud than a “Shatner moment.”

My rationalization (not that I pretend to be privy to William Shatner’s inner thoughts) is that he was starting to become fed up with dealing with the ailing James Doohan. That sounds cruel, but people often forget that it can be a test of one’s patience, to work with somebody who is not “running on all nacelles.” And then there’s the emotional aspect to it, seeing somebody who is in poor health can be emotionally stressful to some people and cause them to behave irrationally, especially somebody the person knew. It reminds us of our own mortality, something most of us seek to avoid. It sounds to me that Shatner bailed because of a combination of these things, because in the end, he was only human and not as strong as he would liked to have been. He probably didn’t realize what a jerk he was being until later.

That’s my guess anyway. I’d guess one in twenty people might do the same thing in his place.

142. LordCheeseCakeBreath - December 10, 2010

Who knows what the truth really is. I love SCOTTY!

143. dmduncan - December 10, 2010

129: “Meeting Mr. Armstrong was a great moment for me as well.”

I bet! Did you ask him what he meant by that “truth’s protective layers” remark? I wouldn’t have been able to resist!

144. keachick - December 10, 2010

It would appear that Howard Stern is a s### stirrer. Why George Takei even bothered to answer him is well, that’s George for you. I am sorry, but it does seem that Mr Takei does seem to take any and every opportunity to bash Shatner, call him out etc. Nobody is perfect, so I don’t see why George Takei appears to make it some sort of personal mission to expose Shatner’s weaknesses, “dirty linen” whenever he can. Frankly, I am sick of it.

My mother has, I believe, early on-set Alzheimers, which affects her memory. It can be very frustrating at times. I also live with someone who is partially disabled due to injuries suffered many years ago. Their on-going chronic pain, along with their reduced ability to be able to do ordinary things they once could do, can be tiring, wearying, frustrating. It does require a lot of patience, resilience and general positivity. Looking at the photo of William Shatner, I wouldn’t be surprised if he feared that if he remained there any longer, he would have burst into tears and he didn’t want to be seen by everyone doing that.

Honestly, Chris Doohan, I don’t believe he was angry at your father. He was angry at the disease and what it was doing to him. I have been there myself.

BTW – just loved the scene in the Trouble with Tribbles where Doohan/Scotty was explaining to Kirk what caused the fight on the space station…:) Brilliant stuff. This is the kind of thing we should keep remembering.

145. gingerly - December 10, 2010

It astonishes me that so many would step up to tell this man’s surviving son, when they think someone “meant” when this person did something inscrutably foul.

Lots of mind-readers here.

Anyway, as much as we’d like the attribute far less behind what was done, I think it’s pretty rude and in a way minimizes Chris’s pain, by jumping to the cause of much of it’s defense.

Shoot, I think Shatner’s work is great, funny, and on those occasions that I know about (crossing his eyes during the non-kiss take for Plato’s Stepchildren) had some shining great human moments, as well.

But I feel uncomfortable with everyone jumping to his defense for an incident nobody knows about except Chris, Shat, and Takei…with his son here assuring us what actually happened.

And besides intent means nothing to the actual affect. I known far too many people who assume the can inflict any kind of pain they want as long as they don’t mean to.

I might cut some slack if Shatner apologized, but somehow, I doubt he did.

Chris, I’m sorry this happened.

146. Pointing out the Obvious - December 11, 2010

This is exactly the kind of crap that keeps me from liking, respecting, or even giving Shatner’s new stuff a chance. He’s a gigantic ass. The books he writes are self-serving mary-sue tales, and boring as hell, and his new comedy, Shit my dad says, isn’t worth much more then a chuckle. His co-star is more funny then he is.

147. Sunspot - December 11, 2010

My message to everyone is to remember a wise saying I learned from my Dad.

“Never attribute to malice what may be the result of ignorance or misunderstanding.”

We don’t know the circumstances and are only hearing one side of the story. Let’s not rush to judgement.

148. Kaptain Kaor - December 11, 2010

I have to say there are a lot of DELUDED people on this thread. The deluded ones are the ones that seem to defend Shatner to the death. He has and always will be an egotistical self centred ignorant and angry little man who has acted like a diva for most of his career.

A lot of quotes above were from Doohan’s own family. Let’s hope when Shatner is at his last breath that people do what he did to Doohan. Give him no respect whatsoever.

149. Mel - December 11, 2010

Has Takei nothing else to do than bash Shatner? Why is he speaking about him all the time? He should speak about himself and not Shatner constantly.

150. Phil - December 11, 2010

147. Sunspot – December 11, 2010

Actually we have heard from everyone in the room whos not dead or named William Shatner. Considering the man has a long history of behaving poorly, it’s not a stretch to accept that it was another episode of Bill being Bad (with apologies to Manny being Manny).

William Shatner is 80 years old. I have a bit of a problem believing that in that time frame that no one ever told him that being insensitive, or in this case, cruel, is bad. So, having ruled out ignorance or misunderstanding, that leaves malice.

151. Capes - December 11, 2010

Folks,

I just poked my nose back in since my last post and after reading through to this point I only have one question……….Really?

Whether they are altruistic saints or are the worst of characters is it really worth the amount of negativity that is going on here about it……Really?

Like what you like about all things Trek, and don’t like what you don’t like. But let it go already.

I’m Done.

John Capes

152. keachick - December 11, 2010

Why do the Doohan’s and Takei’s feel the need to talk about private altercations they may have had with William Shatner in a public forum? Why can someone like Howard Stern ask George Takei about an event that took place six years before and actually get an answer that merely dredges up old grudges, bad behaviours and feelings? Why this constant need on the part of some, mostly George Takei, to expose another person’s failings, weaknesses, crudeness, rudeness…?

I seriously suspect that those who appear to defend or try to explain or understand some of Shatner’s actions are not the only deluded people here. Sometimes, giving a grieving person a possible alternative explanation as to what may be very cruel words spoken to a lost loved one, can help the remaining person to see things in a slightly different context, and maybe bring about a certain forgiveness and inner reconciliation. It is as much as about Chris Doohan and family forgiving and reconciling what happened, than it is for Shatner to apologise for any hurt he may have caused. Supposing William Shatner was already dead. What then?

Let it go. Forgive and be whole again. You can’t do it for Shatner or anyone else, only for yourselves. Shatner has his own cross to bear.

I hope I am making sense here.

153. JGG1701 - December 11, 2010

You know what?………………………………
WHO CARES!!!

154. Pointing out the Obvious - December 11, 2010

@Capes
I understand where you’re coming from, about people having personal demons and such, but there’s a stark difference between politely backing out of an appearance in favor of a more personal one, or even none at all, and doing what Shatner did.

It was inexcusable, especially for a man of Shatner’s age, who damn well should have known better, and even more so, should be able to man up and face something you find difficult.

Shatner worked with the man for decades, that in of itself should have demanded some form of cordiality, regardless of personal history.

Mr. Doohan was a decorated Veteran of World War II (He stormed Juno Beach on D-Day with the Royal Canadian Artillery), an accomplished actor, and an all around decent human being. All of those things allow him some respect, nay, DEMAND it.

Anyone with an ounce of common sense and basic decency should know that, both of which I feel Shatner lacks.

You’re giving us crap about calling Shatner out for his despicable treatment of a dying man while trying to justify it, I’m sorry, but I have a hard time accepting that.

155. Martin Pollard - December 11, 2010

#151 – You’re done? Good. Then we’ll get back to what this site is all about: discussing Star Trek in all its forms. If that means “bitching and whining” about the boorish behavior of some of its stars, then that’s what we’re going to do, no matter how much you dislike it. (If you don’t like it, you’re perfectly free to not participate in, or even read, the forums. No one’s holding a phaser to your head and forcing you to do so.)

156. dmduncan - December 11, 2010

Much love to William Shatner AND James Doohan BOTH.

157. dmduncan - December 11, 2010

AND George Takei!

158. C'Mon, guys - December 11, 2010

The people saying that Takei is making this up are missing the very obvious point that Doohan’s son has TWICE told this story publicly. So you’re not only shooting the messenger, you’re shooting the guy who’s saying that the messenger is telling the truth.

If you listened to the audio, Takei also makes it very sure that Shatner should be asked about it and that he is not “through” with Shatner or anything of the like.

I love the Shat. I really do. But by all accounts his behavior over the years has been, from time to time, atrocious. That some people can’t accept that just because they love his work is pretty ridiculous.

159. dmduncan - December 11, 2010

I’d give Shatner an award, and I’d call it the Best Reason for Trekkies to Feel Superior Award.

160. pattee - December 11, 2010

William Shatner and James Doohan , both great actors, were over their fued. Why the hell does George have to stir all this up once again AND why can’t he sit sown with Shatner and discuss whatever is bothering him—privately–not on a radio station where it’s host is feeding on anyone’s fueds??!! Seems to me they all could do some growing up but I think all the rest of the cast does nothing but sit around and find BAD things to spread about Shatner. No, he is not innocent entirely, but come on people, NOT EVERYTHING is his fault or doing!

161. Mel - December 11, 2010

@ 158

It is not relevant for me if Takei is telling the truth or not. If he has a problem with Shatner, he should tell him that privately and not in public. Takei comes across as a pathetic hateful person, because he is constantly bashing someone else for everyone to hear. And some of the things about which he is angry and still talking about all the time, even happened decades ago. Personally I think he is only doing it to get public attention. Otherwise he would simply get his phone, call Shatner and tell him personally, that he thinks that he is an idiot.

162. Capes - December 11, 2010

Um……wow.

@154 as I said before, I have nothing but the best regards for Doohan. I met him twice, and count myself lucky. The man was cool. I spoke to ALL sides simply standing down. I targeted no one. This type of discussion past a point is beneath everyone. It doesn’t matter what “camp” you are in, it is beneath you. I wasn’t giving anyone “crap” as you said before except to point out that anyone who wants to tear down any of the three people involved needs to look in the mirror first. If the person in the mirror looking back isn’t sporting an evil goatee then they must be the good guy…..so act like it.

@155…..Martin was it? Don’t be a pinhead. It is provocational, pointless, and unless you really don’t get it…..beneath you. Wise up.

But, I will make it easy on both of you. Take your best shot, because I am not going to spar in a public forum. I just think it is ridiculous to waste time tearing down others. I said in an earlier post that if you accept the avg lifespan is 76 years, that gives you 27,740 days to do some good. You are wasting time and I won’t waste anymore here. So take your shot, I have made my point……and you just make that point stronger by responding…..
But unlike many….my email is jcapes@triad.rr.com, and my cell is 336-558-7765 I have no problem discussing it further 1:1(civilly) if you feel the need.

John Capes

163. C'Mon, guys - December 12, 2010

@161

Did you listen to the audio? Takei didn’t bring it up. He was asked, he confirmed and he didn’t play along when Stern tried to make a bigger deal of it.

164. Mel - December 12, 2010

@ 163

First I don’t believe Takei didn’t know that Stern would ask him that question. I bet they spoke before the show about what they will be talking about. Takei could have said then, that he doesn’t want to speak about Shatner.

And even if that wasn’t the case, Takei spoke 2 minutes about what has happened instead of just saying: “No comment.” or something similar. He happily played along with Stern.

165. Gen - December 12, 2010

All I have to say is: lol at all the people blindly sure this cannot possibly be true. Lol forever.

166. chrisfawkes.com - December 12, 2010

@165
LOL at the fools who hear something then with no evidence beyond hearsay are convinced that it must be true.

167. Pierre - December 12, 2010

If Shatner had appeared on-stage with the rest of the cast, Mr. Takai would have accused him of trying to upstage Mr. Doohan’s moment.

I think William Shatner might have bowed out in deference to Mr. Doohan, knowing that there was bad blood between himself and much of the rest of the cast. As already stated, he may well have had a hard time dealing with the failing health of a fellow actor. Emotions are funny that way.

Personally, I think that he was in an impossible situation and he probably should have left with Nimoy earlier in the day, knowing that no matter what he did, he’d be criticized for it.

168. Rastaman - December 12, 2010

I have no doubt the story is true. Shatner always seemed tremendously self-important. He has issues with mortality, and he has issues sharing the limelight. He’s incorrigible!

169. keachick - December 12, 2010

I don’t think anyone is saying that George Takei or Chris Doohan are not telling the truth about what happened six years ago. It’s just – why now? Why allow Stern to make a deal about it?

Frankly, I don’t think that Shatner is the only one who has had issues about sharing the limelight, publicity etc -not by a long shot.

I reiterate what I wrote in an earlier post to the current cast (Pine, Quinto, Urban, Saldana, Cho, Pegg and Yelchin…)
1. Don’t tell your fans to “get a life”.
2. Don’t allow the writers to kill off your character (esp. if you are captain)
3. Don’t air OTHER cast members’ dirty laundry in public
4. If you can’t say something pleasant, positive, nice – then don’t say
anything.

Keep it clean! Keep it COOL!

170. Starbase Britain - December 12, 2010

Interesting but really, i dont see the point of raking up this stuff. At the end of the day, they were two people who alledgedly didnt see eye to eye. Thats it.

They made amends in the end which is all that matters.

God rest Jimmy Doohan

Greg
UK

171. Stanky McFibberich - December 12, 2010

Takei’s paranoia and jealousy over Shatner is tiresome.

172. MJ - December 13, 2010

Neil Armstrong replaced him….so we got the real deal instead of the pretender fat/pompous guy…sounds like it all worked out for the best.

173. MJ - December 14, 2010

@169. Keachick, can I assume then, since you left out a real key directive on your list, that you do in fact still live in your parent’s basement? :-)

174. keachick - December 14, 2010

And what would that “real key directive” be, MJ?

Sorry, but I’m not getting the joke – especially the bit about living in my parent’s basement.

175. n1701ncc - December 14, 2010

I think Sulu needs to realize that he would be nothing if Captain Kirk was as goos as he was. We all watched Star Trek reruns for who Sulu or Captain Kirk. Give me a break George, you may not like Shanter but you owe your career to the success of Star Trek which he and the rest of your co stars made possible.

And if you dont like it Sulu you can go hang out with Terlane. He is just as big a baby as you.

176. MJ - December 14, 2010

@174 Hmm, you referenced the Shat’s “Get a Life” skit on SNL. That was the same skit that he said “and stop living in your parents’ basements”.

Does this ring a bell now?

177. keachick - December 14, 2010

I have never seen the Shat’s “Get a Life” skit on SNL nor any other SNL show. We don’t get it here in NZ. I had read that, at some point in the 90s, Shatner lost his temper and told a group of fans to “get a life”. He’s also supposed to have written a book with the same title.

Unfortunately, my parents never had a basement…

178. MJ - December 14, 2010

@ 177. We’ll it was just my lame attempt at humor here based on that old SNL skit..

My son and I are traveling to the South Island of NZ for the second year in row this coming March. Love your country!

179. Valerie - December 15, 2010

For goodness sake George – just get over it.

180. Anthony Thompson - December 15, 2010

Well, we must understand that Shatner is an 80 year old child. Children are afraid of old people and illness. Children often don’t care about others and are totally me-driven. Children pull tantrums when they don’t get their way (ST09). Etc., etc.

181. dmduncan - December 15, 2010

177. keachick – December 14, 2010

keachick, here is the sketch in question:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x930vt_william-shatner-snl-skit-get-a-life_fun

Enjoy!

182. MJ - December 15, 2010

@180. Well put. As a matter of fact Shat reminds me of Augustus Gloop from Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.

183. I, Mugsy - December 15, 2010

Personally I don’t rate Stern anyway – doesn’t his show just thrive on this kind of ‘celebrity bitching’ anyway? Disturbs me that people seem to like listening to this stuff.

All that matters here is that Shatner and Doohan DID patch it up at that Convention, and I think it’s in pretty bad taste of Takei to stir the pot YET AGAIN here. Really – does he make a living off dissing Shatner these days?! Seems that way to me! He’s almost OCD about it…

For heavens sake let it go and be professional. I have to say hearing all this really does leave one with a bad taste, which sort of spoils seeing some of the original casts episodes/films for me now. Be proud of your legacy and leave the dirty laundry in the past!

ARGHHHHHHHH!

184. keachick - December 15, 2010

Thank you for the link to the sketch. Now I know where the expression “living in your parents’ basement” and the variations come from. It is an expression that seems to crop up everywhere. Trust the Shat.

185. Jim Nightshade - December 16, 2010

HAHA Keachick…interesting how rumors spread….most of us when we saw the SNL skit thought it was funny and semi brilliant just like the earlier John Belushi Star Trek Spoof….But Apparently many fans seem bitter about it??? I dont think he wrote a book called get a life….might make a good title for a spoof book or a comedy tho hehehe

That same SNL Shatner spoofed himself with a TJ HOOKER sketch where he was stuck on the hood of a car for days, writing letters and stuff it was funny…and then they did a Trek Spoof where the Enterprise is a revolving fish restaurant and Khan was a health inspector…Funny stuff….

186. keachick - December 16, 2010

Yes, I saw the TJ Hooker spoof. It was hilarious. Shatner’s humour could be seen in many of the TOS episodes – quite subtle it was sometimes. Sometimes, after seeing an episode several times, then I’ll watch it again and see an expression that he is giving and I am totally cracking up and wondering how come I didn’t see that before. It is not just the obvious funny parts of Star Trek, but the less obvious ones that make Star Trek:TOS such classic television.

187. n1701ncc - December 16, 2010

Sulu needs to take a trip to visit the Argons where he can enjoy the festival and discover Landrew again. He needs to become one of the body….. LOL

188. MJ - December 16, 2010

When you think about it, Shat and Takei kind of deserve each other. A pompous overbearing blowhard famous guy versus a chip on his shoulder overly sensitive wannabe with delusions of grandeur.

189. Harry Ballz - December 20, 2010

Fat and skinny went to war
Fat got famous, the other a bore!

190. Jovan - December 21, 2010

Why are we giving this gossip so much undeserved attention? I’m ashamed of TrekMovie.com. Surely there are better things to report.

191. Neily Wheelie - September 8, 2011

I think Shatner should quit being so insensitive. His ego’s as big as a house.

192. jelly - September 30, 2011

I hear Shatner didn’t go to DeForest Kelley’s funeral.

Does anyone know why?

193. majinsnake - December 7, 2011

@Jelly, probably the same reason Shatner didn’t show up for Doohan’s last trek conventon.

Takei hasn’t been fond of Shatner for years. Sure they have a so-so friendship. Ever since the star trek series, Shatner has always said Takei’s name wrong as Takay. Wouldn’t that upset you guys if someone did it that long.

194. Linda - March 24, 2012

I have to say that for someone who lectures others about love and tolerance, Takei fails miserably when it comes to practicing what he preaches.

195. Red Wind - March 27, 2012

@194 – Unfortunately, there are a lot of people in Trek fandom who behave that way. Which makes it difficult to even enjoy Star Trek for all of its entertaining worth!

All that aside, even though this is a little late, I would like to say this.

Chris, my condolences on your father’s passing from such a horrible affliction. My grandmother also died from Altzheimer’s as well as Ovarian cancer. What Bill Shatner said was totally inexcusable and uncooth as hell! What Shatner did is no different than what that loud-mouthed arrogant SOB George Clooney had said about Charlton Heston(who also was suffering from the same affliction). Clooney got a lot of flack for that. Shatner, too, deserves such criticism.

I don’t know how some people can defend Shatner for such a crude and callous statement, Let alone justify his actions to James Doohan’s son.

There is nothing to justify!!!!

Shatner crossed the line in his statement, and I don’t blame Chris, George, Walter, and anybody else for being ultra-pissed at Shatner for what he said. I, too, am just as outraged by Shatner’s behavior and lack of tact in the matter.

Even though I like the character of James Tiberius Kirk, I certainly don’t like Bill Shatner. Or anything about him for that matter. Having met Shatner before(I met the entire original cast at the 1996 Convention in Huntsville, Alabama), I can honestly say that I understand why some of the cast and the guest stars were loathed to work with him.

Shatner is an egotistical and insensitive jerk. I can understand why George has been outspoken about him, and why Walter has stated that Shatner doesn’t ‘get it’ when it comes to his behavior.

It’s a miracle that Shatner’s career has lasted as long as it has.

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