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Bruce Greenwood Cast In ABC Pilot “The River” + Trek Producers Have 5 Pilots In Production March 5, 2011

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Abrams,Celebrity,Orci/Kurtzman,ST09 Cast,Star Trek Into Darkness , trackback

It is pilot seasons in Hollywood, with actors all scrambling for roles. One Star Trek star who has nabbed a big one is Bruce Greenwood, aka Captain (now Admiral) Pike from Star Trek 2009 who has signed on to the ABC drama The River. He is the only star from the new movie lined up for the next TV season, but the Star Trek creative team have a few projects in the pipeline.  

 

Greenwood lands pilot

According to the Hollywood Reporter, actor Bruce Greenwood (Pike from the 2009 Star Trek film) has joined the cast of the ABC drama pilot The River. The show centers on a group of friends and family searching the Amazon river for a famed adventurer who has gone missing. Greenwood has been cast to play Emmet Cole, the lost adventurer.

It is unknown if Greenwood will be returning for the 2012 Star Trek sequel, but if The River gets picked up and Greenwood is a regular or recurring character, then Paramount would likely have to work something out with DreamWorks TV & ABC to schedule him for the Star Trek sequel, which should be going into production by late summer.

Star Trek producers big pilot season

In addition to Greenwood, the creative team behind Star Trek also have a number of pilots currently in contention. Star Trek producers (and Bad Robot cohorts) JJ Abrams and Brian Burk has three drama pilots in development: Odd Jobs at NBC, Alcatraz at FOX, and Person of Interest at CBS. And the Trek producer-writing team of Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman have two pilot projects in the works (through their KO Paper Products): Exit Strategy at Locke and Key, both at FOX. If any of those get picked up, they would likely also be in production at the same time as the Star Trek sequel, plus all four Trek producers are hoping that FOX will order another season of their sci-fi series Fringe and CBS is expected to order another season of Orci & Kurtzman’s Hawaii Five-0. For his part, after six seasons overseeing Lost, the fifth member of Star Trek’s ‘supreme court’ Damon Lindelof seems to be taking a break from TV, for now.

POLL: More Pike in Star Trek 2012

In the past Bruce Greenwood has indicated he is up for more Star Trek, although he is hoping the can go without the chair. Do you want to see Pike back in the sequel?

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Bruce Greenwood as Admiral Christopher Pike in Star Trek 2009
- could he be back in the 2012 sequel

 

Comments

1. Tuvok1701ME - March 5, 2011

Bruce Greenwood was awesome as Captain Pike in the movie. He brought humanity to a character that was not very likeable in the Cage. I found myself secretly happy the character got injured and was stuck i the hi-tech hoverchair. His inability to speak was also a good thing as it stopped Pike from bitching like he did in the scene with the doctor in the Cage. This rendition of Captain Pike is a heroic character rivaling that of Kirk. I would like to see him in the movie, perhaps he gets into some sort of trouble and Kirk and the Enterprise are assigned to find him, kicking some buttox in the process. That would be awesome in my opinion.

2. keachick - March 5, 2011

I hope as well that Christopher Pike will appear somewhere in the sequel. Bruce Greenwood was just so awesome as Pike. I feel like he’s 8th member of the ensemble team that is Star Trek.

3. Karen Brown - March 5, 2011

This Pike was definitely the better one. He brought warmth and gravitas, a calming, mature presence. With most of the Enterprise being young cadet types, he could be a mentor, and maybe drive plots too. And they can use someone on their side when Kirk WILL get into trouble with the higher ups.

4. Areli - March 5, 2011

I don’t want him being super “I’m gonna save the day” since that is Kirk’s job, but I’d like for Pike to be the one covering Jim’s behind, at the same time risking his status as an admiral.

5. keachick - March 5, 2011

I see that the poll is neck and neck at the moment on whether Pike should have a minor or major role, and it seems that, so far, almost everyone wants Greenwood/Pike back. Yes, Yes, Yes!

I think his screentime/role should not be large, but perhaps a pivotal scene where Pike’s input has an important impact on outcomes, whatever they might be. I agree with Areli.

6. Trekprincess - March 5, 2011

I think yes :) Pike, Bruce Greenwood was amazing

7. CarlG - March 5, 2011

Oh hell yes, more Pike! Bruce Greenwood was awesome!

8. Thorny - March 5, 2011

Open the movie with Pike in command of Starfleet, giving twelve captains their marching orders to take the twelve Constitution class starships out on their Five Year Missions.

9. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - March 5, 2011

Bruce Greenwood is one Hell of an Actor. I want him in Trek 12 and would be very Interested in seeing him in his new show. Hope it all works out.

10. Red Dead Ryan - March 5, 2011

More Pike! More Pike! More Pike! More Pike! More Pike! More Pike! More Pike!

I voted for large role in sequel. Bruce Greenwood portrayed the mentor aspect perfectly. His gravitas help keep the film grounded and believable.

Prefer the new Pike over the Jefferey Hunter version.

11. Let Them Eat Plomeek Soup - March 6, 2011

I’d like to see Pike again in the next movie, but I think it’s Kirk’s turn to command the “Enterprise” now. Completely.

10. Red Dead Ryan:

Yes, I definitely prefer Greenwood over Jeffrey Hunter. Hunter just looked constantly like he wanted to beat somebody’s head in.

12. jas_montreal - March 6, 2011

Pike is a huge mentor-role for Kirk. I’d like to see more of that !

13. Rusty0918 - March 6, 2011

I agree, Pike was a great character in the movie. I think he has to guide Kirk some more.

14. trekprincess - March 6, 2011

He’s like a father mentor role for Kirk hopefully he will be in the sequel but let the young Captain deal with things and mature into the guy we all know and love

15. CmdrR - March 6, 2011

I would kinda suspect that if Pike comes back, it’ll be in the coveted role of ‘character who gets killed off in the sequel.’ Not that I want that, but I’m just sayin’… It’s the sequel. Somebody’s gonna die!!!!

16. Adama - March 6, 2011

“8. Thorny – March 5, 2011

Open the movie with Pike in command of Starfleet, giving twelve captains their marching orders to take the twelve Constitution class starships out on their Five Year Missions.”

That would be awesome.

17. Janice - March 6, 2011

#10 Red Dead Ryan—

Totally Agree!! More Pike! More Pike! More Pike! More Pike! More Pike!!!!!

I LOVED the character and Bruce was amazing!!! I’ll be so bitterly disappointed if Pike isn’t there. Of course I voted for a big role–at least as big as in the 2009 movie—but I WANT TO SEE HIM THERE!!!

Also—-absolutely NO killing him off!! Kill off someone else if you must!

I’m excited about Bruce getting cast in The River but it shouldn’t interfere with his filming of Star Trek. Good going Bruce!!!

18. Christopher_Roberts - March 6, 2011

Bruce Greenwood was one of the undoubted highlights of Star Trek 2009 for me.

I’d love to see him tackle Christopher Pike the way Jeffrey Hunter did, if he ever appears again… in the sequel (or a TV show set in the Prime Universe someday). More of the darker anti-hero, unsure of himself, with the weight of command resting heavily on his shoulders.

19. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - March 6, 2011

Would love to see a series in the prime universe with Greenwood as Capt Pike. Have it set just a year or so before the Cage Ep. Then go from there. Would be a great show.

20. AJ - March 6, 2011

I, for one, do not see a reason to compare Jeff Hunter to Greenwood. I see them essentially as the same character.

Both Pikes were portayed successfully as having that incredible gravitas, as if the world were weighing on the character’s shoulders. I could see Greenwood playing Pike in “The Cage” and going through the exact same repertoire of attempts to escape the Talosians.

But we didn’t. We saw him as Captain of the Enterprise and a mentor to Kirk in a universe that either spared him the need to visit Rigel and Talos IV, or before those events actually occur.

Bruce Greenwood deserves to be in the new film, however they manage to do it. He’s a father-figure to Kirk (perhaps replacing Spock from TOS “Menagerie” in the new universe), and his Pike is pure Starfleet perfection.

21. Christopher_Roberts - March 6, 2011

18. (to be absolutely clear) Not that Greenwood just all sweetness and light in the film. Maybe it’s my age (ST09 being the first time the crew were younger than me) but he brought a dignified gravitas to the Captain’s chair. He should find a way back to that, like Kirk did, even if it can’t be on the Enterprise.

Obviously it’s just a question of screentime and you can’t realistically run the gamut of different aspects of a character’s personality, when the story dictates you get Kirk into the Academy, before steering the Enterprise straight into a crisis, with little time to think about it.

22. Bringbacktrekagain! - March 6, 2011

YEs of course we need more PIke, I always felt something was left out years ago before the Pilot episode was released and we only had bit’s and pieces from the Menagerie.

23. Christopher_Roberts - March 6, 2011

Just a nitpick that does still slightly bother me… connected to Pike actually.

During the scene Pike first meets Kirk, his description of the Federation is all wrong. He’s really describing Starfleet isn’t he?

Even then, the wording of “an armada of planets” is akward. You can’t have an armada of planets… it’s a group sure enough and they move. But planets orbit their stars and could never move together in a formation. That’s the Death Star isn’t it!

The Federation is an alliance of worlds. Starfleet their armada used for exploration, scientific and defence purposes.

Maybe I’m being a pedant. But you know…

24. Christopher_Roberts - March 6, 2011

Correction… Awkward.

McCoy: “Must you be so blasted pedantic about this!”
Spock: “I’m not Doctor. I’m simply trying to point out the error.”
McCoy: “And I’m simply trying to stop you giving us a lecture on the whole subject!”

:)

25. AJ - March 6, 2011

Christopher, I agree. He’s describing Starfleet.

26. Dac - March 6, 2011

Greenwood was fantastic as Pike. I don’t care how he’s in sequel, just put him in it!

27. CarlG - March 6, 2011

OK, it’s agreed. No matter what anyone thinks of the movie… we LOVE Pike.

:)

28. Janice - March 6, 2011

Agreed!! WE LOVE PIKE!!

Just put him in the sequel!!

29. captain_neill - March 6, 2011

It seems that although we all prefer the originals over the new cast when it comes the main seven but when it comes to Pike most prefer Bruce Greenwood over Jeffrey Hunter.

Now on this one i can understand, I loved Bruce Greenwood in the new movie and he was another of the best actors in the new movie.

Because Jeffrey Hunter only played him in The Cage I think the character was more open to interpretation than the others.

I would say Jeff Hunter probably comes across a little stiffer and Bruce had a more warmer father figure towards Kirk.

I also see Pike, in The Cage, as a prototype to Jean Luc Picard. He was more cerebral and more of a thinker.

Besides in The Cage we were presented with a Pike who was thinking about resigning tdue to the stress of the last mission, where as the Greenwood take is different. So playing the Pikes in two different mindsets probably means that the two should not be compared with one another.

30. captain_neill - March 6, 2011

By the way I voted for Pike to return

31. Michael Hall - March 6, 2011

Wow. If the folks here think that Hunter’s Pike was a hard case, wait’ll they see Colin Cunningham’s (and director David Gerrold’s) take on the character in the New Voyages’ episode “Origins.”

Agreed about Greenwood’s performance, a fine piece of work from an actor I’ve always admired. Anyone who can make a line about the Federation being a “peace-keeping armada” sound almost reasonable definitely has my respect. :-)

32. Vultan - March 6, 2011

I want him back… just as long as he has a large, hairy sidekick.

“Punch it.”

;)

33. captain_neill - March 6, 2011

But don’t forget the different mind state meant Hunter’s Pike was a bit more stern.

34. Thorny - March 6, 2011

23… Pike didn’t say “Armada of planets”. He said Starfleet is “a scientific and peacekeeping armada” or something along those lines.

35. Michael Hall - March 6, 2011

Actually what he said was “(The Federation is) a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada. It’s important.” No, it’s stupid.

36. Christopher_Roberts - March 6, 2011

34. Pike asks Kirk “You know what the Federation is, right?”

Before getting it wrong… (from my old school p.o.v. anyhow!)

Who knows? Maybe in the sequel, the Enterprise will get into serious trouble and an armada of planets will suddenly drop out of warp, to save them! :p

Hey, nothing’s perfect. Even the lonely Squire of Gothos liked bowling the odd planet for the Enterprise to dodge.

37. captain_neill - March 6, 2011

I think Pike got the Federation and Starfleet mixed up in his dialogue in that scene.

38. Michael Hall - March 6, 2011

No; Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman got the Federation and Starfleet mixed up in the dialogue for that scene. Pike was just following their orders.

39. captain_neill - March 6, 2011

38

Cause I thought Starfleet was the Exploaration and defence arm of the Federation.

40. Christopher_Roberts - March 6, 2011

34. No, actually. You’re right. He doesn’t say planets. I don’t know where I got that from. Probably because it’s linked in my head to United Federation of Planets. Then to suddenly throw the word “armada” in there, which basically another word for fleet… it just sounds wrong.

What he describes as being the Federation, actually applies more to Starfleet. I’ve never really thought of those two names as interchangable. Usually the only time it happens, is dialogue from a race outside looking in. The Klingons. The Romulans. All that lot chop and change Federation and Starfleet. But if you were inside the organisation, you’d probably take a bit more pride in being part of Starfleet and that your bosses are the Federation.

41. captain_neill - March 6, 2011

I think he used the term that the Federation was a peacekeeping armada.

42. Christopher_Roberts - March 6, 2011

That time William Shatner said “Get a life”, he presumably was actually
speaking directly to me!

RAOTFL

43. keachick - March 6, 2011

I have just watched the scene again and here is what Pike said to Kirk:
“You understand what the Federation is? It is a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada.”

I cracked up laughing when I first heard those words on 8 May 2009 when I saw the movie for the first time. I don’t know whether it was a Freudian slip on the writers’ part (and was not picked up by the director/producers etc – LOL) or what. However, there are two things wrong with the wording -

1) Pike wanted Kirk to join Starfleet, which has spaceships and stuff. The Federation stands for the United Federation of Planets, a governmental body, a bureaucracy, which oversees more than Starfleet.

2) More importantly here is the use of the word “armada”. An armada is a fleet of attacking warships (as in Spanish Armada). An aggressive, attacking (offensive) fleet, whose purpose is to engage in war, can hardly be called peacekeeping and humanitarian. It is a contradiction in terms.
The reason why I and other family members laughed (sadly) is that, whether the writers realised or intended it or not, it seemed to quite adequately describe current US foreign policy, ie its worrying contradictory nature, at least, as seen and understood by non-Americans.

The smart-ass that no doubt many of you see me as being does remind you that I actually raised this point quite a while back on this site and on another board, the IMDb Star Trek (2009) more than a year ago. It is sad that some of you have only now picked up the gaff/Freudian slip/whatever.

44. Christopher_Roberts aka ChristopherPike (ST.com, TU.com, TrekBBS) - March 6, 2011

43. Thank you for explaining my issue about a billion times more precise than I ever could. Hopefully my remaining brain cell won’t have died between now and 2012!

I bet there’s an old post of mine kicking about here, and over at TrekBBS from several years ago.

45. Dunsel Report - March 6, 2011

The sloppiness of referring to the Federation as a “peacekeeping and humanitarian armada” reminded me in a nice way of early Star Trek episodes where the writers couldn’t decide on who Kirk was working for: The United Earth Space Probe Agency?

46. Christopher_Roberts aka ChristopherPike (ST.com, TU.com, TrekBBS) - March 6, 2011

45. Star Trek Enterprise did a nice tribute to that, in a great seal found on the floor of a conference room at Starfleet HQ. At the start of “Demons” and throughout “Terra Prime”.

http://shar.es/3zst9

So presumably STARFLEET began life as the UESPA (perhaps back when they launching just probes like the Friendship One and exploring places at less than Warp 2). A global successor to NASA. Then changing to Starfleet, first as a United Earth organization and then a Federation one.

47. Michael Hall - March 6, 2011

“An aggressive, attacking (offensive) fleet, whose purpose is to engage in war, can hardly be called peacekeeping and humanitarian. It is a contradiction in terms.
The reason why I and other family members laughed (sadly) is that, whether the writers realised or intended it or not, it seemed to quite adequately describe current US foreign policy, ie its worrying contradictory nature, at least, as seen and understood by non-Americans.”

Excellent point. Aside from the sloppiness of using the Federation to refer to functions which in the Trek universe properly belong to Starfleet, there was always something that bothered me about the use of the word “armada” that I never quite put my finger on, and you articulated it very well.

48. Maj - March 6, 2011

Armada, simply means a massive fleet of ships, and that’s true, the Federation employs peacekeeping-and-humanitarian goals ‘through’ Starfleet; the Federation’s task force, the primary mission being to explore new worlds and seek to expand the Federation with new races who may be given the chance to apply if they meet certain requirements, such as technological advancement.

DS9 is all warfare but it made sense, when the Federation/Starfleet began exploring the Gamma Quadrant they encountered the Dominion who were a much older and ruthless organization, and equally powerful. No one’s willing to give up power, or even share it.

So I think if there’s war in ST12 it has to make sense. Conflicts of interest ‘can’ happen, more than just a power struggle it can be ideological or it even a matter of survival. In the case of Borg, they weren’t there to negotiate, just assimilate and that’s why the plot was brilliant. It would be nice to see a war that has a deeper meaning to it, taking a page from past Trek is always a good idea.

49. VulcanFilmCritic - March 6, 2011

I don’t see how they can make a movie WITHOUT Bruce Greenwood as Captain Pike.
Kirk is still just a cocky mid-shipman. He’s got no business commanding a starship (except in an emergency situation.) The Admiralty would have to be either extremely desperate or on drugs to give Kirk command of the Enterprise at this point.
Besides Bruce Greenwood is so right for the part. So in control. I trust him. I admire him. I like him.
I mean, did anyone see Chris Pike in “Unstoppable?” Was I the only one who was bored with his performance? The middle-aged and bloated Denzel Washington was more interesting. Heck, the redneck guy with the pickup truck was more interesting than Pine. From a practical standpoint I just don’t see how this “kid” can carry a picture. Even with Quinto, et al.

P.S. To anyone who thinks that Jeff Hunter would have been boring as Captain Kirk, I would recommend viewing his first starring role, also based on a C.S. Forester book, “Sailor of the King.”
A pilot is a poor way to judge what the show would be like in production. Just look at Nimoy’s Spock. You would never guess what an effect he would have on American culture based on what we see of him in the pilot.

50. Huw - March 7, 2011

OK, my turn. I’ve been a Trek fan all my life having pestered my mother to let me stay up and watch the first episode when it aired, and every other episode till it went off.

But I have to say, fan I may be of the original, JJ hit the spot with the latest movie. I loved the characters.Pike, Kirk, Spoke etc. Infact what brings me here is my search for info on the next movie. Things have been quiet for a while and I’d like to see more of the new Star Trek universe.

We’re in the 21st century and this is a fitting version for our time.

Its time to let go of Shatner and Nemoy Talk of Jeff Hunter is a waste of time and effort. The man died more than half a century ago (which gave Shatner a go), he’s hardly going to reprise his role.

There’s a new folk law in town and it is good. Trek can grow and mature independent of the small screen.

Any Trek for TV should be unrelated to the movies. Mixing them dilutes both products.

The grandure that JJ brought to Star Trek has never been realised by any other director and should be maintained. We need more of it. And SOON.

51. captain_neill - March 7, 2011

Jeffrey Hunter’s performance was right with the mindset that Pike was in in “The Cage”

You cannot compare him to Jeffrey Hunter, in the same way I don’t compare Heath Ledger to Jack Nicholson. Two different entities.

52. captain_neill - March 7, 2011

50

To me the new movie is just part of the legacy of Trek.

It should not eclipse evrything that came before, just add to it.

53. Mel - March 7, 2011

I am at most for a small role/cameo. I really liked him in the last movies, but I want the focus on the Kirk, Spock, McCoy and the rest of the crew in the new movie. If he would get a main role, there would be less time for the other characters.

54. I D I C - March 7, 2011

I wish one of the new pilots was a Trek

55. Janice - March 7, 2011

Well, I’m still in favor of a really good role for Pike with at least as much airtime as in the 2009 film. Bruce Greenwood was awesome—-i definitely liked him the best. Nothing wrong with the others–I just thought Pike was .the best.
What a huge disappointment if he’s not there!!

56. Lt. Bailey - March 7, 2011

We do need to see more of him. Since this is an “Alternate” timeline, he may not have to save a bunch of cadets from Delta rays which will allow him to have a long career in StarFleet.

57. keachick - March 7, 2011

#48 According to the Concise Oxford Dictionary, Armada means, and I quote:

“n. a fleet of WARSHIPS (my caps), esp. that sent by Spain against England in 1588 [Sp. f. Rmc armata army]”

The dictionary I have gives a variation of definitions, if such exist. No other definition exists for the word “armada”. The word originally meant army. It would be totally inappropriate to refer to a fleet of passenger liners or cargo ships as an armada. The USS Enterprise was definitely not part of an armada. Words do have meaning, for good reasons.

58. keachick - March 7, 2011

#49 – “Kirk is still just a cocky mid-shipman”

Here we go – that word “cocky” again.

Yes I did see Unstoppable – twice. Chris was fine as Will Colson and Denzel Washington looks fit and fine for a man his age (not bloated). Given that the US is one of five nations which have unparalleled obesity levels, I find it odd that you would criticise a fit, healthy man who appears to have a normal weight and girth for a man his age (born 28 December 1954). Have people no respect for their elders or their youth? and more importantly, little understanding relating to matters of what is normal or abnormal weight, diet etc?

William Shatner has also been bashed because of his weight. He appears to be a fit, healthy, mentally alert 79 year old man. Something to aspire to be surely. People come in all shapes and sizes and most of it is genetically determined. For a long time, almost all of the Polynesian people living in NZ were considered obese, except now they realise that many are not. The fact is that they are born with up to 30% more bone mass than the average European, meaning that they will weigh more on the scales and will look heavier/bigger but still be fit and healthy. Genetics!

Everyone needs to watch their weight and diet, especially when there is so much easy availability of processed foods with a lot more salt, sugar and trans-fats than is good for most of us.

59. Let Them Eat Plomeek Soup - March 7, 2011

Idea:

tie in “The Menagerie” with ST12, and let us all see how Captain Pike ends up in that special wheelchair he was rolling around in.

60. Nano - March 7, 2011

Lets push for a Capt Pike television series leading up to the latest movie.!

61. Daoud - March 7, 2011

Hunter’s Pike… and Cage was scripted as an “in medias res”… he had just been caught with his pants down on Rigel so to speak, and lost a good number of his crew when they were attacked. He’s angry at himself, and faulting himself, and wondering why he screwed up. Hunter plays exactly *that* Pike in that circumstance (and about 5 years younger than Pike of Star Trek 2009!) Cage was about 2254? Star Trek 2009 is in 2258 when Vulcan is destroyed.
.
Greenwood’s Pike is older, secure, a student of the history of the Kelvin incident… and thus has gone through a completely different set of circumstances since 2233.

One can easily see Hunter and Greenwood are the same character, the same person… with a bifurcation at 2233, with Hunter’s Pike deeply affected by the Rigel incident.

62. Let Them Eat Plomeek Soup - March 7, 2011

Hey look: “Cameo Role” is winning!

63. Janice - March 8, 2011

#59

NO—NO wheelchair!! There’s absolutely no need to do”The Menagerie” in this new Star Trek. I want to see Pike all recovered from Nero’s torture when the sequel begins.

64. ajd - March 8, 2011

Watching the movie again, I noticed something odd…having read this prior:

Pike (Greenwood) – and George Kirk (even Sarek) – had the only 3-dimensional charactors. This is not a slight to the other actors, but while they were all developing back-stories, including old spock, Greenwood got to play the center. He was the “Greek Chorus” of the movie, reminding us all what Trek stands for. Otherwise, it would have been merely a great action flick like Star Wars (no slight to Star Wars intended).

I would love to see his return, however as noted previously, now that Kirk’s backstory is complete, Pike’s strong personality and Greenwood’s quality acting could be harmful to the evolution of the remaining cast.

Cameos by Pike, old Spock and maybe Sarek, would be a good way to maintain continuity, however any role larger than that would be unwise and would stunt the growth of the younger leads.

65. ajd - March 8, 2011

Merriam-Webster:

Definition of ARMADA
“1: a fleet of warships
2: a large force or group usually of moving things
Examples of ARMADA
an armada of fishing boats

I believe the use of the word could be interpreted either way:

“Spanish, from Medieval Latin armata army, fleet, from Latin, feminine of armatus, past participle of armare to arm, from arma
First Known Use: 1533″
Synonyms: fleet, caravan, cavalcade, line, motorcade, train”

While the root “armare” does indicate aggression, the synonyms indicate the word may be used for more benign causes…like caravan.

66. Let Them Eat Plomeek Soup - March 8, 2011

#63:

Aw, that’s a shame. i would have liked to see that…that and what they would have made the Telosians look like.

67. Christopher Roberts - March 9, 2011

63. If this is truly divergent universe, then the writers ought to make the most of that and keep pushing forward with the changes – throwing even more caution to the wind and finding new directions free from canon.

Otherwise, you know Star Trek 2009 might just as well been a faithful prequel story (with the same recast, chronolgically fitting in, even if production design was just in spirit) and God-knows that’s the approach I imagined the films would take. Maybe there’s still hope for that on TV in the years to come.

So definately no wheelchair for Pike. He’s just in that for convalescence, until a CMO gives him the all clear. What he went through was little more than what Chekov did in STII TWOK. Also Nero probably had to endure the same thing, during Klingon interrogation at Rura Penthe and he went right back to his quest afterwards.

68. Janice - March 10, 2011

Well—I see that over 1160 fans have responded to the Pike Poll and a small majority want a big role for Pike. I like that!!

Anyway–big role or a smaller role, it’s obvious that the VAST majority WANT TO SEE PIKE THERE!! I hope the writers will oblige and come through for us!

69. bob g. - March 10, 2011

it would be awesome too see captain pike in the 2nd trek movie.
he was awesome in the 1st. captain pike wasnt in much of trek series
but, his role was major before captain kirk. [please put captain pike in the 2nd movie
it would be cool to have a series or mini series of captain pike before kirk]

70. richjr - March 10, 2011

All I have to say about this is:

PUNCH IT

71. boborci - March 12, 2011

43. on purpose.

also why Bush ends up Captain instead of Obama.

72. Christopher Roberts - March 12, 2011

71. That’s a strange comment to make.

73. boborci - March 12, 2011

yet true

74. Christopher Roberts - March 12, 2011

73. Not sure, I ought to be pursuing this… in case it brings on a response worthy of Charlie Sheen. I’ll just have to trust you’re not brandishing a machette. :)

I’m not sure, I understand… since US politics is not really something I know in much detail, not being American. But Bush basically got where he did because of who his Father was. Is that right?

Also are you saying the description of Federation was deliberately worded wrong? Or at least, oddly so it rang alarm bells to those who it might matter?

75. boborci - March 12, 2011

74. Im not from America either, but i am certainly a student of it. A country full of contradictions where Orwellian double speak is becoming the norm.

but yes, exactly, Kirk son of fromer Captain who some think didnt deserve ascendancy so fast, and who unilaterally wanted to go at it alone againts evil doers rather than following protocol and regrouping witht the fleet to get support from rest of Federation.

76. Christopher Roberts - March 12, 2011

75. Okay then, so this is all speculation… if you’re good with that.

Everything that’s gone wrong within the Federation now, can be traced back to the first event in the movie? Everything that’s happened since, events offscreen because the Federation or just Starfleet, perhaps go onto respond to that first strike, or retaliate at the wrong adversary, resulting in the meanings of titles like UFP changing. They maybe become an occupying force in a far off world, or have to focus their energy and resources at that, all the while Kirk is growing up and Pike becomes a Captain with that going on. Maybe the rest of Starfleet are still tied up there, when Nero escapes… meaning there’s not much opposition in his way.

- – - “A country full of contradictions where Orwellian double speak is becoming the norm.”

Yes, coming back down to Earth, or rather England (in my case), that’s certainly true. Increased rules and regulations brought about by terror and fear. Politicians coming into power promising change, having campaigned on vague “sounds about right” issues, then not doing much different. Finding the damage done by the last lot can’t be reversed fast enough for them to take much credit.

- – - “but yes, exactly, Kirk son of former Captain who some think didn’t deserve ascendancy so fast, and who unilaterally wanted to go at it alone against evil doers rather than following protocol and regrouping with the fleet to get support from rest of Federation.”

Got to sympathise him there. It might not have been “By the book” but if he’d stuck to that, Earth would’ve shared Vulcan’s fate. So it worked in that situation, but if he does that in another situation and we might not be on his side!

Some unconnected thinking perhaps…

If 9/11 had happened under a different President than Bush, would history really have played out another way? Sure somebody else might have been more diplomatic, but a response would still have happened to satisfy justice. Another President would have gone ahead with a fraction of the allies they ought to have had, went straight to Afganistan and Pakistan perhaps? Leaving Iraq or Iran to be the breeding ground for those with an axe to grind against the west.

77. Christopher Roberts - March 12, 2011

76. Actually re-reading some of that middle stuff… we’re all so fed up with politics here, the current government is an uneasily alliance between the usual opposition – Conservatives (close in values to Republics, right wing) and Liberal Democrats (the third party, left wing). Since Labour messed everything up, by cosying up to the US so much.

78. keachick - March 13, 2011

All those countries mentioned – Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and Iran have axes to grind against the west anyway. Some of it has to do with religious and cultural differences, but for places rich in that thing called black gold, they have a problem with how the west goes about getting hold of that “black gold”. The west is also quite hypocritical, especially America, in that it will point out human rights violations (which there are), and make a major issues of them when it comes to Arab countries not prepared to do “deals” etc on the oil and at the same, vigilantly ignore the very same human rights violations going on in places like Saudi Arabia (the west’s ‘friend’). The same thing happens with China. These people are not stupid.

79. Janice - March 13, 2011

Politics aside—I’ve been checking the poll on this site and over 1330 people have voted and 92% want PIKE in the sequel and it’s even as to whether it’s a big role or a smaller role. To me, there’s a difference between smaller and cameo but, in any case, it’s obvious to me that the vast majority of fans want a role for PIKE in the sequel. I’ll just be beyond disappointed if Bruce Greenwood isn’t in that movie!! He brought so much to the role in 2009 and he would again in 2012. Nobody better to be the one “in charge”!!

80. J. Reindl - March 21, 2011

Absolutely, more Bruce Greenwood as Admiral Pike!
Since, in the new timeline, Kirk has lost his father he needs someone who believes in him, stands by him, inspires him and who he is willing to listen to. Basically someone besides Bones who has his back.

81. Ilsa J. Bick - April 26, 2011

Without question, Greenwood should return and not just in a supporting role. We older fans would LOVE to see someone OUR AGE kicking intergalactic butt, and Greenwood is just the man to pull this off. If the original crew could dash around with daring-do for all those movies, surely there’s room for a Pike-driven plot SOMEWHERE.

And ditch the bloody chair! For heaven’s sake, it’s the 23rd century! They can go at warp speed and throw molecules around the galaxy . . . but they *can’t* figure out how to help a guy walk again? Puh-leez . . .

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