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Exclusive Details & Excerpts From “Star Trek: Federation” Series Proposal April 16, 2011

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On Thursday TrekMovie revealed the exclusive True Story Behind The Bryan Singer ‘Pitch’ of “Star Trek: Federation.” As promised TrekMovie now reveals exclusive details on the "Federation" series proposal, describing the universe, the characters, the new USS Enterprise and more. .


EXCLUSIVE LOOK AT "Star Trek: Federation"

On Thursday TrekMovie reported the true story of the supposed pitch of a Star Trek TV series from director Bryan Singer. We revealed that there was indeed a "Star Trek: Federation" series proposal written at the behest of Bryan Singer as a possible pitch for his Bad Hat Harry production company. However, while Singer and screenwriter Chris   McQuarrie were at the inception of the project at a Sushi dinner in late 2005, the actual 25-page long document was written by Robert Meyer Burnett (also at that dinner) along with Geoffrey Thorne. And after JJ Abrams signed on to produce a new Star Trek movie in early 2006, the “Federation” project was shelved along with the first (and only) draft of the series proposal.

While it never was actually pitched to CBS or Paramount, the "Star Trek: Federation" series proposal still makes an interesting read. Today TrekMovie reveals (and analyzes) "Star Trek: Federation" another Trek not taken.

Logo for "Star Trek: Federation" designed by Mike Okuda

The approach — Something old and something new

The 2006 "Star Trek: Federation" series proposal starts with a forward outlining how the creative team of Bryan Singer, Ralph McQuarrie and Robert Meyer Burnett planned to make Star Trek on TV competitive again. Their solution was two pronged: Firstly acknowledge that "television storytelling had evolved" away from the five-act story structure of Star Trek with shows like The West Wing, Lost, The X-Files, Desperate Housewives and Battlestar Galactica taking on "more complex serialized stories." Secondly they planned to return Star Trek to its roots of telling "compelling stories about our world today" instead of just telling stories more about the Trek universe itself. The "Federation" solution was laid out thusly:

Let STAR TREK breathe. Let it return to the marketplace in the hands of people willing to write the sort of stories that confront and entertain today’s audiences. Let’s grapple again with the issues of the day- issues of diversity, government power, gender frictions, a controversial war on foreign soil, and a host of other things. Embrace modern television storytelling techniques. Most importantly, as with the original STAR TREK and THE NEXT GENERATION audiences must recognize the world they live in today in the far-flung future, then take the show’s concepts and lessons with them back into their everyday lives.

However, unlike the 2004 "re-boot the Star Trek universe" pitch from Bryce Zabel (Dark Skies) and J. Michael Straczynski (Babylon 5), The "Star Trek" Federation" team proposes to "not start from scratch", as noted in the forward:

The great strength of STAR TREK is the very Universe in which it’s set. The Characters. The Starships. The Aliens. The stories.

Gene Roddenberry himself provided the perfect example how to create a wildly successfully new STAR TREK series…

Acknowledge what’s come before, but then set your stage far enough in the STAR TREK future when everything old is new again.

Turn the STAR TREK Universe upside down. Shake vigorously.

The Universe — A Federation in trouble

The way the team proposed shaking up that universe was to move the action to the year 3000 with a different United Federation of Planets. In "Federation" the UFP is still espoused to be the a civilization of alien races united in respect living in a "Golden Age of Peace", but not all is well, as noted in the proposal document:

Utopia as a goal is like the fire in a nuclear engine. Utopia in practice is stagnation; it’s dry rot; eventually it’s death. Which is precisely where we find the United Federation of Planets a few centuries after the last Age of Discovery.

Here are some key changes in the Star Trek universe six centuries after Picard.

Entering into this troubled Federation is a new "powerful" and "ruthless" enemy called "The Scourge" who confronted the Federation ship USS Sojourner at what became a key pivot point. The ship along with two colonies are lost and the sole survivor will become a key player in the future of the Federation. From the document:

Lieutenant Commander Alexander Kirk is the only survivor of the “Sojourner Incident,” as it’s come to be known in the press. And he has no clear memory of the events themselves. Attempts to “help” him remember cause him to become irrational and violent. All he has is images of carnage and death and a hidden malevolent presence lurking behind it all. When called before his superiors, he paints a picture of the enemy that is scarcely believed and which, if true, might tip the already fracturing Federation Alliance into true collapse.

This incident leads Vulcan, Bajor, Betazed and other members to pull out of the Federation leaving it with just twenty systems and surrounded by the Klingons, Ferengi, Cardassians, etc. Kirk is also drummed out of the service.

The Mission — A New Enterprise & Crew

All of this turmoil is just the backdrop to the series itself. A motivated admiral commissions a new USS Enterprise to be built, the first "Enterprise" in over 300 years. Publically the mission is a traditional return to the era of exploration and discovery, but the true mission is to find the truth behind "The Scourge" and to save the Federation (hence the title of the proposed series).

The document includes a partial list of the crew (of around 400) of the new Enterprise, giving the show its main characters:

The character descriptions also describe various tensions, loyalties and connections between the main characters, so this series does not need to always look externally to see conflict and drama. 

The document also has an Appendix dedicated to the technology of the new USS Enterprise. The ship is described as not being too big "something bigger than Voyager, but nowhere near the size of The Battlestar Galactica". The ship would include some new features, such as:

The document also suggests that the production could use "virtual sets" or CGI to create some of the larger environments such as the Hanger Deck, Shuttle Launch Control, Central Core, Botanical Gardens, etc.

The Pilot(s) — Four episode arc to start "Federation"

The "Star Trek: Federation" series proposal concludes with 1-2 page descriptions of the first four action-packed episodes, which constitute a sort of pilot for the series.

1. The Widening Gyre: Alden Montgomery encounters another planet where the inhabitants have destroyed themselves in an ‘orgy of violence’. Admiral Nelscott orders him to put together his crew for the fast-tracked Enterprise project, leading Montgomery on an origin story recruiting mission picking up various staff, including Kirk who is no longer in Starfleet and doesn’t want to join, but is the only person who has dealt with The Scourge (forcing Montgomery to "Shanghai" Kirk). 

2. The Blood-Dimmed Tide: Kirk and Dr. Chen explore a found small alien obelisk and deal with the crew of the Enterprise who have become victims of the violent "Scourge", including the Captain.

3. Mere Anarchy: The Enterprise chases a larger alien obelisk through space, eventually leading them into hostile Klingon space.

4. The Ceremony of Innocence: Kirk, now trapped in the obelisk with some Klingons, gets to the bottom of the mystery only to find out the Obelisks are tied to the Preservers (from TNG) who had seeded the galaxy with the building blocks of humanoid DNA.

The document concludes with this:

So, the riddle of the Sojourner Incident is solved and the threat of the obelisks is removed (apparently) but at great cost. Frictions between the Federation and the Klingons have never been worse. The internal fissures are growing wider based largely on Enterprise’s secret mission and Admiral Nelscott’s lies to cover up that mission with the council. And, of course, lots and lots of people died.

What’s next for the survivors of these events? Tune in next week, folks.


My Thoughts

The "Star Trek: Federation" proposal is very interesting and has some promising ideas, especially for a first draft. The notion that a new Star Trek TV series needs to break out of the traditional storytelling structure that worked for TNG in the early 90s but was becoming increasingly passé by the time of Enterprise was spot on. It is also true that a return to the origins of Star Trek with telling allegorical stories in a science fiction setting is welcome. Both of these are important in bringing in new viewers.

I am also impressed with how the proposal shows nods to hard science fiction. Burnett says that they were heavily influenced by literary sci-fi including Dan Simmon’s "Hyperion Cantos," Stephen Baxter’s "Manifold" trilogy and Isaac Asimov’s "Foundation" series.

The approach of moving to a declining Federation in the year 3000 seems to be another attempt to rightfully move away from the perfect (and conflict-less) world of the Federation’s 24th century. Brannon Braga and Rick Berman tried this with Enterprise, but in the end their 22nd century universe and storytelling techniques were not different enough. This troubled future Federation approach is also the one taken by Dave Rossi in 2006 with his animated series "Star Trek: Final Frontier".

Creators of any new Trek show post-Voyager & Enterprise were faced with the choice, if you want to change things you need to move the action to a distant century or move into an entirely new (alternate timeline or rebooted) universe. I worry that with the universe described "Federation", the show could become unrecognizable. While holding on to the canon of the Star Trek universe, this radical jump could run the risk of losing the essence of Star Trek.

The characters outlined for the show seem to each have a few interesting things to work with for creating drama, both in their strengths and in their flaws. And I agree with the approach for tension and conflict within the crew, something Star Trek avoided after the original series. I am sure subsequent drafts would have polished some of the edges as well. But again I wonder, if you want a different Star Trek show starring a Kirk, why not just reboot it (re-timeline it) instead of creating a 30th century Kirk. Is staying in the same universe worth it?

I do believe that Star Trek is at its best on TV, a medium that allows for more complex storytelling and character development. I also believe that eventually CBS will start considering a new Star Trek TV series, likely after Paramount has made three JJ Abrams Star Trek movies. The best thing about the "Star Trek: Federation" approach is that it embraces Star Trek with a love for what has worked, but also sees that in the 21st century you need to do something different to make Star Trek work again on TV. I may not agree with every choice made, but I also don’t think there is a single "right answer" to how to make a new Star Trek TV show. And with a strong creative team, I think "Star Trek: Federation" could have been an interesting ride.


1. Andy Patterson - April 16, 2011

I didn’t thoroughly read the article but just skimming it….I’m guessing this Commander Kirk is a descendent of the man we know? Or not?

2. Terran_Guy - April 16, 2011

I think some of this is great. (A less perfect Federation, the allegories to modern times, etc)

While others not so much. (Too unTrek in some respects, but toned down it wouldn’t be too bad.)

It, however, does not “fit” into Trek, because the year 3000 is Daniels time from Enterprise.

3. John in Chicago - April 16, 2011

Kirk as Starbuck!

4. j4yn1ck5 - April 16, 2011

I agree with a lot of the touchy feely abstract goal setting for the show. But, reading about the characters and the future projection is not very convincing to me. It would get me to watch only in the same way that I have watched every series and movie sans TAS.

5. John in Chicago - April 16, 2011

It sounds really interesting! Cast list a bit overly conceptualized, but I’m sure that would be tempered in development, if only for monetary reasons. I like how bold it is, and potentially violent with aspirations of utopian glory. It’s like BSG meets DS9 meets TOS meets… well, Federation. Wish we coulda seen it.

6. Charles Root - April 16, 2011

Hmmm, interesting premise. Don’t know if I cared that the Federation was basically the UN now, but I’d have to see how that played out. Could be very cool, if the Enterprise, changed the thinking there, and over the course of the series more of the same class of ships were produced.

7. Drij - April 16, 2011

I would have changed the back story of what happened to the Federation we knew.

Basically have the Federation involved in a century long war that left them with a lot of member leaving and starfleet very weak.

8. Alexander - April 16, 2011

I don’t like the idea of a darker Federation. The Federation is the one thing, that would/should never change. It stands for all the good in the universe. Where many civilizations come and live together in peace and harmony.

9. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - April 16, 2011

This reminds me of the Roman Empire. For many years it was the most powerful nation on Earth. But latter they becamse to arrogent and finaly they fell. Federation looks like it would be the same except that there were a few who saw what would happen. I think this would and could work for a Star Trek Series.

10. Cat from the Great White North - April 16, 2011

I think that this was a brilliant idea, especially for a first draft. This makes Star Trek seem real (which is kind of ironic, as so much of the tech from TOS has become a reality). I am actually inspired to write some fan fiction based on this concept. Hopefully CBS, or SyFy or whoever will own the rights will seriously consider this coccept for a series.

11. James - April 16, 2011

I say they jump ahead about half a century or a century, not six, and ABSOLUTELY include the Destiny storyline or some variation thereof. Ignoring it would be a grave mistake and would ignore some of the best stories Star Trek has put forth in these TV-less years.

Think of it this way: instead of showing the Destiny story all at once, drop hints here and there about what really happened and give little infodumps here and there to fill in the back story.

You could also have details about the origin of the Borg and consequences of the end of Destiny peppered all around; I’m trying not to give away too many details for those unlucky souls who haven’t read it yet (PLEASE GO BUY IT NOW IF YOU HAVEN’T READ IT – TOTALLY AWESOME!!!!!)

12. Dee - lvs moon' surface - April 16, 2011

Yes it looks good… I’m curious about this “Alexander Kirk”, too … some connection with James T. Kirk? … or would be just a reference to attract the audience … it’s very interesting!

:-) :-)

13. dmduncan - April 16, 2011

The titles for all four of those episodes, in case anyone didn’t notice, are lifted directly from Yeats’ great poem, The Second Coming.

14. Weerd1 - April 16, 2011

OK, I admit to loving the idea of M.A.J.E.L.

15. NCC-73515 - April 16, 2011

M.A.J.E.L. is the best part! XD

16. Captain Ransom - April 16, 2011

wow this sounds lame. good thing this didn’t become a series. sounds like a lot of PC nonsense – a federation too concerned with human interests? right because a federation that started on earth by the human race wouldn’t want to have human interests in mind lol. they should just hand over earth to the klingons so as not to appear offensive and racist.

do they really think they’re reinventing things with yet ANOTHER enterprise and ANOTHER kirk as captain 700 years after kirk commanded? how totally unbelievable. the best thing about star trek voyager was that it was a new ship and a new crew and proved that trek didn’t have to be about ENTERPRISE all the time.

17. ged - April 16, 2011

Maybe I missed it but was there a link to this story treatment? We are able to read the JMS reboot series treatment, and would like to view this document as well if possible…t

18. arzola - April 16, 2011

I like this concept, a federation in decline, a kirk on the bridge, and the klingons, yeah! but if the studio wants to start fresh maybe they should look into presenting a new trek in the mini-series format, tell a story of the human romulan war, or the klingon wars with the federation.

19. Phil - April 16, 2011

It would be interesting to see if the successor to warp drive would allow travel to other galaxys…

20. VZX - April 16, 2011

Sounds super-cool. Too bad it never happened. I like the changes to aliens and the turn back to making the episodes more topical. The crew sounded very promising. My faves are the gaseous engineer and the cat-chick. A new Kirk would have kicked ass, but the genetically-altered dude never would have replaced Spock. You can’t have Kirk without Spock and Bones.

21. Kev-1 - April 16, 2011

There’s some interesting stuff here, maybe it’s a bit too negative in its view of humans and Vulcans. The human centrism sounds like US politics 2000-2008 (pre-economic meltdown). I’m all for a good serialized story, but story arcs can also be overused. And they’re not new, TV soap operas have been stretching out plot elements since the 1950s. It’s usually easier to dole out plot elements over many episodes than to knock out one memorable hour show.

22. Red Dead Ryan - April 16, 2011

I’m still glad this didn’t happen. It sounds to much like “Battlestar Galactica” and the story of the Federation becoming complacent, corrupt and on the verge of collapse reminds me too much of the events of the “Star Wars” prequels. All that was needed was a high-ranking political figure secretly pulling all of the strings leading to a dictatorship. No thanks.

And lest we forget, “Star Trek: Deep Space Nine” was created in part to shake up the establishment, with the conflicts with the Klingons and later, the Dominion War.

23. I'm Dead Jim! - April 16, 2011

I think it sounds great! I like the notion of a distressed Federation especially if the storyline includes efforts and successes to bring it back to its former heart and glory.

Oh… and I like the nod to Majel being the computer’s acronym but cringed about it having emotions.

Let’s make this so sometime, m`kay?

24. Will - April 16, 2011

Ok, I take back everything I said yesterday about how this show concept had potential. It reeks of being more of the same-old same-old.

25. Will - April 16, 2011

@16 “good thing this didn’t become a series. sounds like a lot of PC nonsense –”

Um, that is what the show has always been, but Roddenberry didn’t call it nonsense.

26. Red Dead Ryan - April 16, 2011

As I have said on the earlier thread, Paramount wasn’t going to give the green light on this proposal. They understood that, after 18 consecutive years of Trek on t.v, “Star Trek” had run its course. This “Federation” proposal, would NOT have appealed to the mainstream, and probably would have turned off a lot of old fans. It would have piled on more canon on top of all the prior history, despite being set over five hundered years after the TNG era, and would have felt detatched from it at the same time as well. It would have become similar to the expanded “Star Wars” universe, in my opinion.

As much as I loved the old Treks, the franchise needed a reboot. The only logical way to do that (and to bring in new fans) was to reboot with Kirk, Spock and McCoy.

27. Dan - April 16, 2011

this is the first time i’ve seen a story treatment for a trek show do something more than the usual. I agree that it is rough (as it is intended to be in a first draft) but i do think it could have made a fine addition to trek. Trek is such a hard concept to create for because there is so much history and so much story telling that in order to satisfy an audience, you have to cater to that history while at the same time being bold and new to attract an audience that may not have been interested before while at the same time hitting the target demographics (18-35 yr old men). Not an easy thing to do. (and I’m a film/tv producer…trust me, its hard!)

28. JP - April 16, 2011

Seems like a combination of Enterprise and Andromeda.

Thanks to Anthony for bringing this info to us. This is the sort of post that will fuel Trek fan discussions for years to come.

29. charles charles - April 16, 2011

dam nother white cpt….. sometimes i hate being asian. cant aud for those cool roles…

30. Craiger - April 16, 2011

Would this concept have worked for the general public and not just Trek fans? I almost think a new Trek series has to be llike Trek 90210 in order to get the general public watching. A new Trek series would at least 10 million viewers a week to survive on a network, cable ratings maybe 4 million?

31. Electron - April 16, 2011

It would’ve been nice if they had some initial design drawings for the
characters, Enterprise and other ships

32. Phaser Guy - April 16, 2011

Sounds like it could be a really good Trek book series. Haven’t had one of those in awhile

33. Razorgeist - April 16, 2011

Some parts of this sound kind of similar to the Trek idea I had been thinking of. It sounds like it could be interesting and if it has Singer behind it Im on board.

34. jas_montreal - April 16, 2011

I Think theirs a lot Star Trek can learn from Ron Moore’s BSG.

35. Tom1701 - April 16, 2011

some good some bad…love M.A.J.E.L. as well…. and Kirk. sounds better than Voyager hands down.
Let’s see what the next couple years brings. Whatever happened to the web/animated “series?” was that on StarTrek.com? (post Nemesis’ far flung future?)

36. John - April 16, 2011

Oh wow to me it sounds cool and definitely something that should have gotten further consideration not to blow my own trumpet but has a few similarities to a Star Trek fiction i started writing years ago, it picked up some time after the end of DS9 mine ignored Enterprise and Voyager was a footnote being as it hadn’t returned from the Delta quadrant at the start of my version. Mine included a greater emphasis on the Federation and Starfleet command and had a ship with cloaking technology and a few other common denominators.

That aside is not why i like this pitch it just seems to take Star Trek home to tv where it belongs and creates a new and interesting sounding premise. Yes after how tired Trek was at the end it needed a break but i think it can come back and be relevant and entertaining again like TOS, TNG, DS9 were, it also needs a complete break from anyone previously involved in writing or producing tv Trek seriously i think it could well be back on tv sooner than the break between the original and Next Gen just in the last week i’ve read about more attempts to resurrect Trek on tv than anytime since Enterprise ended.

Honestly i even think think Jonathan Frakes USS Titan pitch and this could both be on air without harming the JJ Abrams film franchise

37. CaptainJoe - April 16, 2011

That was a great read, would love the chance to read the entire proposal.
I still think if Paramount was smart one day they would give Singer a chance to Direct a Trek Film. He is a great genre director and a fan of material.
And if not a film, then the eventual trek series that comes along in a few years. In some ways I wish we were allready at the last of the J.J. films (and thats not a knock at him at all, i loved trex XI and i know i will really like Trek XII and XIII) just cause i am hungry for a star trek television series again.

38. Browncoat1984 - April 16, 2011

I like the idea, some things that don’t work but it has heart to it. But I like JJ Abrams idea better. Reboot Trek so you have a clean slate but at the same time do it in a way that’s respectful of the original universe. We can still have novels and Star Trek Online to satisfy our need for stories and adventures in the old universe while on the big screen (and eventually) small screen we get a fresh take on Trek that isn’t bogged down by years of canon that the mainstream can sit down and enjoy.

It does remind me a little of DS9, my favorite Trek, and that is good because DS9 was ahead of its time, proven by the fact that future Treks until 2009 went back to the old formula of storytelling.

I like it a lot better than JMS’ reboot idea because his didn’t seem to respect past canon the way this or JJ Abrams did and I think that in ANY version of Trek, even if you reboot it you need to show that you respect the existing fan base otherwise you risk alienating them and that is a bad thing.

That being said, I feel that its time Paramount start thinking about a new series. With Stargate going off the air and Blood and Chrome possibly a ways away from getting started, next year will be the first year since TNG aired that there won’t be a space drama series on TV and that to me is sad. I love all forms of sci-fi but more than anything I love space-based shows that focus on exploration, whether they be darker like Battlestar or brighter like TNG. I’ve heard lots of people saying it, its time for a new Trek. Fringe is about the only really serious SF show on TV right now.

39. demode - April 16, 2011

I would drop the last name Kirk (but have the character find out they are a decendant of Kirk.) One way to get a Shatner story in there, for sure. Other than that, this is a Star Trek I would want to see!

40. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - April 16, 2011

Lots of potential there, but like many concepts, excecution would have been the determining factor. Still, using storylines to hold a mirror up to modern day societies would have made a fine tribute to the original concept. Also liked the return to harder science fiction for the franchise along with the human equation.

41. moauvian waoul- aka: seymour hiney - April 16, 2011

Execution, … of my phone.

42. MJ - April 16, 2011

I gotta admit, this sounds surprisingly good. I would have liked to hear more about The Scourge though — hopefully they would have been less cheesy than The Borg and much less cheesy than The Wraith.

43. Jeff O'Connor - April 16, 2011

I like this a lot. Yes, this would have done nicely.

44. CaptainDonovin - April 16, 2011

Except for the name Kirk I like the concept. Leaves a lot of ’empty space’ from the late 24th century to fill but I like it. The Scourge sound interesting as does the UFP in decline. Maybe Daniels from Enterprise was really part of a faction to stop the fracturing of the Federation.

45. Bucky - April 16, 2011

I like the idea of bumping off the captain early on, that would be a good swerve. and I think everybody loves M.A.J.E.L.

46. Josiah Rowe - April 16, 2011

The detail that Alexander Kirk is the only human to have encountered the Scourge, but doesn’t consciously remember the details, reminds me of the backstory of some of the characters from Babylon 5. The political set-up is interesting, but would have needed a bit more polishing and clarification before the show went into production: as presented here, it’s very unclear how and why the “Sojourner Incident” led to the withdrawal of so many key Federation members. Now, if that’s meant to be given to the audience as a mystery of sorts, that’s all very well, but the writers would need to have figured out the answers in advance.

Also, do I detect a subtle Douglas Adams reference in the engineer’s character? Surely a gaseous lifeform called “The 76th Distillation of Blue” is more or less the same thing as “a hyperintelligent shade of the colour blue”?

47. Jack - April 16, 2011

“Utopia in practice is stagnation”

That sounds not unlike the Berman years. Sorry, Captain Neil.

MAJEL. heh. neat. As is the felinoid (a mainstay of some of the novels, and TAS) and gaseous engineer (resist inserting a ‘gassy’ joke about the movies’ Scotty here).

Modern TV storytelling and real drama would be darned welcome.

The TNG aliens seem a little tired (Cardassians etc) but maybe a fresh take would help. And a fresh take visually, too. Frankly, I never want to see
another Ferengi again. Who am I kidding? Same goes for the Bajorans and the Cardassians. So homogenous, one-note and boring. And ditto for the TNG version of Klingons.

Centuries passing would be a relatively plausible way to reinvent the various species (and, ideally, without constantly mentioning ‘we are not like we were 500 years ago,’ as humans were wont to do in early TNG).

Which is why I’d like to see a brand new take on them (the Klingons) in this
next flick.

48. Boozba - April 16, 2011

Don’t like the Alex Kirk thing….make him a new guy with no ties to James T.
It feels like Babylon 5 to me….i don’t know.If there is a new tv show in the near futur,my guess is it will take place in the J.J. univers.

49. Odkin - April 16, 2011

Wow, this is everything that is the complete opposite of what should be done.

Warning signs of hack writing and imaginative hackery:
-“Turn universe upside down. Shake vigorously”. Oooh… so cool and edgy. Also douchy and pretentious.
-Kill the perfect “Captain America” captain early – no room for professional competent righteous characters in this universe!
-Make room for the new crap captain with the checkered past and agressive attitude, prone to fits of irrational violence. He’s REAL:, man, none of this mature, responsible “Captain America” stuff!
-Every character is conflicted and struggling and wrestling and mercurial. In other words, they all need to be kicked in the ass and told to grow up.
-The female Admiral giving orders from HQ, who lies, and “bucked the system” to start some secret mission. Yawn. What is this, Charlie’s Angels?
-“Storytelling has evolved…”. Bullshit. Storytelling has gotten muddled, convoluted, confusing, and undramatic. The classic structures work, even though today’s writers are bored with them. They have no respect for mainstream audiences – they write for sycophants, which is why sci-fi never seems to catch on mainstream.
-TOO MUCH POLITICAL INTRIGUE – no one wants to see a future where our political institutions are rotting. Trek is about how humanity gets it RIGHT, and then has to deal with the rest of the universe. No one is going to try to unravel some epic backstory of secret missions and conspiracys.
-Fan-wank trick names like Kirk and M.A.J.E.L.

Whatever the next Trek series is, they need to do the exact opposite of everything above. Humanity is good. We figure out how to govern ourselves. Our institutions will be more open, with no tolerance of secret agendas. Mankind and our service memebers will become more mature and grown-up, not less. The hunger for exploration and adventure will GROW, not wither.

Remember the “Wagon Train to the Stars” concept? Or ‘The Fugitive”? or “Route 66″? They’s basically anthology shows where a few characters and some background players move to a different place every week and variously have serious, humorous, action-oriented, mysterious, or even preachy adventures. I know the professional writers have seen everything and can’t wait to “shake vigorously”. Successfully story telling has been figured out since Shakespeare. You’re not going to reinvent it. Forget that you think you’ve seen everything and write for the mainstream audience that HASN’T.

50. Sybok - April 16, 2011

“Utopia in practice is stagnation; it’s dry rot; eventually it’s death.”


If Trek is to go back on TV, it must boldly go. A once great society grapples with the realization that it may all be coming to an end? That is epic, timely and worthy of the name Star Trek. Kirk and the Enterprise saving us from the biggest threat yet… our own political and sociological entropy.


Two words – Adult Swim. An animated version of this concept would be a great way to get Trek back on TV without competing with JJ’s Trek. It would be cheaper too.

51. Thorbury - April 16, 2011

Sounds like a game I’d play, but I don’t think I’d watch it if it were a TV show. Also, since Kirk’s only son got nailed by a Klingon (and his 2nd name wasn’t even Kirk) then where does this descendant come from?

Having said all that, I firmly believe that if Star Trek is going to enjoy any kind of rebirth, they need to stop making hokey movies and put it on TV where it belongs.

52. Air Force of One - April 16, 2011

I think this would do better now than it would have promptly after Enterprise. That being said I don’t know if the fan base is ready for a weekly series. My least favorite part of this whole bit was the 3001 rip-off. Sole survivor, monoliths, it just smacks of being stolen straight from Clarke. We might as well have un-dead Wraith so that we can rip off SGA, and then in turn, LOTR.

53. CaptainJoe - April 16, 2011

51 i dont believe they ever said out right that it was a direct desendent of James Kirk. It says A Kirk, It could very well have been a descendent of Kirks brother Samuel who did have a son Peter Kirk. (and new voyages is NOT cannon before anyone trys to say it would be impossible for Peter Kirk to have descendents)

54. Buzz Cagney - April 16, 2011


55. Christine - April 16, 2011

What about the Dominion? The Borg? All those really super wonderful resources called the NOVELS? I know they’re not canon but they could lend some great inspiration for a new series.

DS9 was and always will be my favourite of the series, so I’m a little bummed to see that the Cardassians went from amazing to.. artistic? And the Bajorans lost any edge they might’ve had? What? To me this series would propose conflict in weird places and no conflict where there could be.

Think about it — even in the DS9 relaunch series, the Dominon fell completely apart when the Founders abandoned their planet and scattered. What’s-her-face could still be in that prison for all we know. And many, many of the post-TNG novels have amazing ideas.

Some of the crew characters seem interesting, but often it’s been the guest and recurring characters that make a series fantastic! Think — Q, Lwaxana Troi, the many on DS9 (Garak, Dukat, Weyoun, etc.), Shran (ENT).. List goes on. The plots need to be driven by well-developed, three-dimensional characters with good writing behind them. Like Anthony mentioned, it’s a little uneasy thinking that Star Trek could lose what makes it ‘Trek. This is like “Star Trek… but falling into corruption!” Don’t know if I’d watch an entire series about that.

56. CaptainJoe - April 17, 2011

51 infact they make no indication of Alexander Kirk being a descendent of James Kirk at all. It was Trek movie who said a NEW KIRK in yesterdays article and the way its written merely indicates that its a new officer who happens to share the Kirk name.
I think you read to much into the fact that the last name is Kirk.
As i mentioned above if anything he would have been a descendent of samuel and Peter Kirk.

57. CaptainJoe - April 17, 2011

it could have beeen intresting to see guest apperances from characters like Q ,or The Doctor, or in my opinon the most likely canidate for a guest apperance Sisko.

Brian singer has had more success than failure on the screen(both big and small X-men 1,2 ,usual suspects, and House are all excellent and while its got its flaws and not everyone likes it, superman returns wasnt horrible) that I think he could bring us some great Trek.

58. CaptainJoe - April 17, 2011

Anthony Thanks for this great article! this was a great read over the last few days, heres hopeing your able to do that write up about the Shatner pitch as well.

59. Tristan - April 17, 2011

This would have been a bad series! Why? Because why on earth would the vulcans be leaving, that is a very bad idea! Secondly, where is the borg? You would think a decling federation would been destroyed, if not devistated by them. And the firengi as a major power? I mean, realy? What happend between the klingons and the federation? And why would they be in a decline? Its not like they havent bounced back from a war,ect… Before! You would think they would be expanding!!!!!

60. Rocket Scientist - April 17, 2011

There are many things to like about this concept. It’s an interesting spin on Trek Prime. With a few tweaks, this might have flown! Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

61. vulcannonibird - April 17, 2011

Some nice ideas. Best is moving the story forward some 100 years again. The rest needs some fine-tuning.

On the borg: much can happen in 600 years. Maybe the destruktion of the borg led to the softening of the federation…

62. Jack - April 17, 2011

majel IS fan-wank, and I doubt it would have made the final cut, but it still made me smile.

I like the reminder that there is no magic solution to human problems — things get better, and maybe they’ll then get a little worse, and then…

That said, if the Federation were real, I’d prefer the “things keep getting better forever” plan. But, dramatically… I don’t know.

63. Keachick - April 17, 2011

#27 – “while at the same time hitting the target demographics (18-35 yr old men). Not an easy thing to do. (and I’m a film/tv producer…trust me, its hard!)”

Well, that’s interesting. Why are you trying so hard to hit the target demographic, ie 18-35 year old men? Are there no 18-35 year old women who might also be interested?

#30 – “I almost think a new Trek series has to be llike Trek 90210 in order to get the general public watching.”

I don’t watch 90210 or whatever. I watched the original series for a while but got bored and sick of the rich, spoiled 20 somethings. No, Star Trek does not have to be just like 90210… but it should not disregard the “feminine”, for want of a better word to describe something that can be lacking sometimes. Humanity (in space) is about men AND women! men with women or sometimes/occasionally without each other.

64. Ryan Thomas Riddle - April 17, 2011

Unfortunately, this seems like it would’ve suffered from what a lot of science-fiction fantasy shows of the last few years, such as nuBSG and LOST. That is that it would’ve gotten bogged down in its meta-story and lost focus on the characters, and continually frustrate viewers with the almost-there, but not-quite pseudo-payoffs.

The basic premise of Trek, the original, is still sound after 40 years. Granted, any return to television would have to have a modernization of the storytelling sensibilities. But if it worked for “Doctor Who,” it can work for Trek.

I think “Doctor Who” is a good model for how Trek can work once again on television. Fun, adventure and drama with interesting characters and destinations. A thread across several episodes that pays off in the season finale. But a thread that’s loose and doesn’t overshadow the individual stories.

Oh, and a return to basics is always good. Trek will always be Kirk, Spock and the rest. It has been recast and it will be recast again and again. Those characters are part of the collective pop consciousness, much like Superman, Batman, James Bond and Mickey Mouse.

65. Patrice - April 17, 2011

heu … sounds like a (bad) joke ?

66. Sticks - April 17, 2011

I’ve always believed that the way to approach rebooting Star Trek is a little “something old, something new” with a fresh start along the lines of something familiar. Although this idea would be difficult now, it’s not beyond looking into….. and it’s been suggested before by others…..

“Star Trek: Excelsior”

Whether it starts with Captain Sulu or not, the series could begin after the death of James Kirk and continue with the events after Camp Khitomer. There would be uneasy peace talks with the Klingon Empire for years if not decades to come, but the Federation and Starfleet would continue their exploration of space. The Excelsior could have adventures much like TOS while leading the way towards TNG. The galaxy would still be a place to explore while not being overwhelmed with trying to “reinvent the wheel”. Give the series time to nudge away from “Cowboy Diplomacy” towards a more structured life we’ve come to know in TNG, while still falling back to the old ways every now and then. The crew could also be a mix of old and new, conflicts between change and adapting while moving forward. And while relations with the Klingons would be difficult, there could be a uneasy trust between Sulu and Kang, maybe even conflict. The Romulans would still be around, perhaps lead to events involving the Tomed Incident, but the major stories would be new species that we have yet to see before TNG, like the Cardassians or maybe a rough encounter with the Gorn… The possibilities have always been here to explore, now’s the time to look into it.

Also, it might be a good idea to change the bridge crew from time to time… to keep the same existing 7 or 9 crew members around for 6 or 10 years after a while is getting hard to believe nowadays. The Captain and a few others could stay, but try new officers for short or long terms….. Even Doctor Who changes the Doctor and his companion every few years.

The problem with moving forward from TNG into the 25th century is that almost every idea of technology and conflict have already been done. Being forced to accept storylines that would push more tech into the fold would make Starfleet almost invincible, almost to the point of ridicules, which in turn would be embarrassing to watch. I’m sure a set of stories could be made into the 25th century, just not to force late 24th century history into them.

In any case, it’s just a idea……

67. Star Trek 3000 - April 17, 2011

a couple of points

-The 76th Distillation of Blue – sounds a lot like the Hellboy II gas character

-The alien obelisk/humanoid DNA story arc sounds abit similar to the JMS reboot thing

-Sounds like the story arc will result in the ’Star Trek’ we know being reborn in the year 3000 (I.e. Federation vs. the Klingons, Kirk as captain of the Ent, exploring again etc)

68. Keachick - April 17, 2011

Glad we got Star Trek 09 instead.

69. Alice - April 17, 2011

Started off well enough.. the setting could be interesting.
However, as soon as I got to the character list I lost faith – A “Cat-woman,” really? A blue gas man? .. sort of sounds like something out of a (bad) videogame.. too gimmicky.

I hope this is never made.. at least without some SERIOUS tweaking.
And yeah, why have another Captain Kirk?
Not working for me at all.

And as somebody said earlier, isn’t the 30th C used in Enterprise with Daniels and the whole Temporal Cold War business?
For the record, I absolutely loved Enterprise – I didn’t see anything wrong with it at all!

70. Chang - April 17, 2011

It’s like some sort of mash up between Mass Effect and Stargate Universe. I understand the need to be ‘free’ of the old storyline, enough distance for the crazy stuff to have happened but at the same time you could very easily take away the Star Trek element and now you have a really good BioWare game.

While It is original and my opinion of Singer has gone way up, it would turn off a load of old fans (as expressed by many of the comments above) and it doesn’t have the pulling power to attract significant numbers of new fans vis-a-vis Stargate Universe which is a real shame.

Like I said though, give the idea to BioWare. Mass Effect meets Star Trek. Could be tasty.

71. Kirk, James T. - April 17, 2011

Im less than bowled over by this…

The trouble with Star Trek was that the universe was just far too convoluted. The JJ Abrams movie was the only real way to go, preserving one universe and beginning another and aside from the minority of short-sighted fans wining about it – Abrams Star Trek seems to have done the trick in reviving what had become a stagnant, unimaginitive universe. The concept that everything old is now new again is a good one but Abrams has really done that justice in his Trek, the notion that the federation has all but collapsed, is a bit of a *yawn* inducing prospect – I agree that Star Trek at its best and most relevant was when it told a story about our world in the context of it’s own Universe but I think what we have now with Abrams is equally relevant in this respect.

Star Trek is about hope for the future, one thing I hated abot new BSG was it’s miserable outlook on things, it was far too depressing – JJ Abrams Star Trek was hugely refreshing because whilst it did deal with death and disaster – it was bright and colourful and really didn’t fall into the Dark Knight category of film making – it was the beginning of what will hopefully be a trilogy that people will look back at and say that was as good as the original Star Wars. Star Wars makes me feel happy, JJ Abrams Star Trek does that too, it’s fun and adventure – not dark and depressing which this pitch represents. Finally shows about Spaceships has all but died on TV. Star Trek’s place at the moment resides in the cinema, leading the way for Sci-Fi.

I’m a huge Trekkie but I just can’t be doing with yet another episodic TV series with weekly visits to the final froniter and more to the point yet another shit load of backstory to remember and follow – I don’t have the time to devote an hour of my life every week to Star Trek – I love it the way anticipation between Star Trek movies builds, it’s reigniting my passion for Star Trek all over again…

72. Kirk, James T. - April 17, 2011

It’s wagon train to the stars, not government and polotics.

73. Sebastian - April 17, 2011

This sounds truer to Gene Roddenberry’s concepts for the show than any I’ve heard of or seen since his death in 1991, frankly. It’s a shame this never came to fruition. Loved the computer being named MAJEL; that is lovely. A wonderful homage.

I’d have loved to have seen what Ralph McQuarrie would’ve brought to the table, considering his beautiful production art for Star Wars, Close Encounters and the original Battlestar Galactica (not to mention his wonderful Apollo illustrations for CBS).

I hate to say this idea is dead forever; as Spock might say, “There are always possibilities….” ;-)

74. Alex Rosenzweig - April 17, 2011

“Is staying in the same universe worth it? ”

Without possibility of doubt. ;)

75. James T. West (no comma) - April 17, 2011

Advancing the timeline for a fresh start is easy.

Staying within the boundaries of the current timeline…now that’s hard.

76. Alisa - April 17, 2011

ST has been a part of my weekly life since I was a teen, and even before that (the original show). I miss the weekly episodes, especially those that were well written by actual Science Fiction Writers. Instead of concentrating on a crew, or a space station, why not concentrate on the COUNCIL of the Fedaration. You have hundreds of worlds and hundreds of Alians to choose from. The Enterprise wasn’t even a part of DS9. Does anyone else remember that show? What if the Federation Council has to deal with an unexpected major tragedy? After 200 or 300 years after Picard, something happens to OUR home world (Earth) where the Council must set up a new base in order to continue. We got a glimps of that council from Enterprise, Voyage Home, Undiscovered Country. It could be in the hands of the “diplimats,” but politics could hold just as much intrigue, danger, and even betrayal.

There could be a Kirk, there could be a “Spock”, and there could be a McCoy, but what if they were the descendants of the original, and what if they were all women and part of the diplomatic corp where they are always called upon to “put out fires,” somewhere in the Galaxy.

The Enterprise could become a more Diplomatic ship, used to get somewhere, sometimes engaged in scuffles, but not so much centered upon.

One of the main stories could be trying to find a way to save Earth and to learn who was it that finally managed to damage our planet so severely as to nearly cripple her. Stories could also take place on Earth, an Earth that has been taken back to the time of Zerfrem Cochrin, the creator of our Warp Drive. We still have space travel, but to leave Earth could also put others in Danger because Earth has been quarantined. The Federation Council could have been meeting on another planet, say at Kitimer, where every ten years a new President is voted on. The Federation Council may not meet on any planet at all, but has it’s own ship. While the new President of the Federation is chosen, Earth as been attacked (maybe by the very Scourge) that was talked about, but they succeeded in doing the impossible, almost destroying our world. The BIG Question always looming in the background is whether those who are human would be able to go home again. Or will the human race be changed forever. Returning home could be the final story arch. This could also be a FIVE YEAR MISSION story, and maybe the only way to help the Earth is to finally find the Preservers, which is the goal of the Enterprise.

I think that could be a far more intriguing story and it could bring about the “changes” in story telling that is needed to bring about

77. Alisa - April 17, 2011

Sorry: I meant to say BRING ST back to the Small Screen. We have to get away from the TNG formula. Going backwards to the beginning of our Space travel with Enterprise was a good idea, but it didn’t go back far enough. We should have struggled more than what we did. And they still followed TNG formats. Archer should not have been able to hear from Star Fleet Command that easily. Just like it took a pony express rider several weeks to get a letter from one side of the country to the other, it should have taken several DAYS for a reply to be heard, and communications should not have always been reliable. Sub Space was after all, NEW to us. They may have had to use relay beacons, much like the pony express. Aside from that, The idea above could work. Instead of writing STAND ALONE stories as before, the ON GOING Format like a mini series would work. You could wrap up a one story in a couple of episodes only to start a new one that continues in a different direction and builds on the one before. Think of LOST and even Voyarger. They had stand alone stories, but their main one was always trying to find a way home. In this instance it would be trying to find the Preservers to help restore Earth, and finding clues along the way to help then do that. It may take them further and further out into space, also. But at the same time, it brings then closer to finding out not only who harmed our planet, but how to help our planet as well.

And this is a current topic today. HOW DO WE HELP OUR PLANET WITHOUT DOING MORE HARM TO IT, and how do we save not just the human race, but all of it’s creatures, from the apes to the insects, trees, and sea life.

78. The First Son of Krypton - April 17, 2011


3000 is Daniels time BUT all we know about the 29th and 30th century is that the Federation is involved heavily in the Temporal Cold War. All we have seen is the Enterprise getting into a firefight with other aliens. The TCW and te changes to the timeline in several enterprise episodes allows for the possibility for whatever future we saw to have never ever happened.

I like this pitch, however, I hate the title. I think this is a series that CBS should look at again at some point and see if they could coax Brian Singer into tweaking elements of it – this is soo far into the future it could either follow the original timeline or the alternate JJ Universe

79. Mike C - April 17, 2011

Singer recently said that he made Superman Returns for ‘The Devil Wears Prada’ audience.

With that confession I him longer trust him and his secret motivations.

He can take his giant peach and shove it.

80. Doug Skywalker - April 17, 2011

i’m guessing that Alexander Kirk is a descendant of Peter Kirk.

has a few promising ideas, though i’d move the action sooner, i.e. 28th or 29th century and allow it to become the world Daniels comes from in ENT. also, let us not forget about the destruction of Romulus…

81. Star Trek 3000 - April 17, 2011

this wouldve been a spin off of a spin off of a spin off of a spin off of a spin off…hold on ive lost track

82. Veritas1325 - April 17, 2011

This sounds infinitely better than the reboot we saw in 2009. I always thought it was silly to take a show about the future and set it in its own past. For Star Trek to succeed, it needs to move forward not backward and this is an inspired concept. The characters would certainly need fleshing out and I don’t know that we need another Kirk; but, conceptually, at least, this would’ve been gold.

83. General Martok - April 17, 2011

I have to say, this really should have gone through. It sounds excellent…I say we form a petition group to put it on the air or something. :D

84. Brian L - April 17, 2011

Sounds more promising than the Abrams-verse. This is something I would watch

85. KingDaniel - April 17, 2011

It sounds to insular to me. The plot relies far too much on Trek’s past, and as such probably wouldn’t appeal beyond the longtime die-hard Trekkies.

A new Trek series needs to be a fresh start, not a nostaglia-based look at what became of the aliens from all the old shows.

86. Vorta3434343434343434343 - April 17, 2011

I love it

87. Maximus Decimus Meridius - April 17, 2011

A new series should be based on the original series with CG animation akin to Appleseed and be centered by Kirk and Spock with the voices provided by Shatner and Nimoy. These fellows haven’t much time left with us and we should take advantage of their talents while we still can.

Only top notch ground breaking CG should be used. No zombie Polar Express or cheap Hanna Barbera Saturday morning junk, please.

88. oby - April 17, 2011

The other advantage of TV over movies is that it allows more risk-taking. Hollywood movies have fallen into a comic book/blockbuster rut due to the incredible financial investment needed to complete a film.

89. the Quickening - April 17, 2011

I feel doing any TV series after so much TREK television in TNG era, would have been foolish, so Paramount is to be congratulated for staying away from the medium. I like this idea, but feel it doesn’t do much to take TREK in a whole new direction.

I dispute the claim from many that TREK works best on television. It appears that way only because TREK still hasn’t been handle correctly at the movies–including ST ’09. TREK needs to be epic, grandiose, sprawling with purpose, feeling, meaning like STAR WARS. On the other-hand, I think STAR WARS needs to develop more intimacy, and have more a personal touch… focusing on smaller moments and character–the opposite of what TREK needs; that’s why it’s a smart move by Lucas to bring STAR WARS to TV; TREK has already achieved these things; it has accomplished what it needed from television.

TREK must focus on deriving success at the movies–gaining all the benefits popular film making can bring: magnificent visuals… being more contemporary in conception… more capsulated in it’s format. STAR WARS has had just as much success with only 6 movies than TREK has had with over 700 hours of television, and it’s own movies.

Singers’ concept–or something like it–should be conceptualize in a movie series… perhaps 3 to 9 films. This would really break TREK out of the limited scope it appears to have. I feel this would make it more appealing, not just to fans, but a wider general audience–especially internationally.

A TREK TV series, in my estimation, after so much product on the small screen as it is, is going to come off as mundane, limited, and would hardly put TREK in the stratosphere again to the degree it has already achieved.

Stay off television.

After Abrams’ and TPTB finished their run, Paramount needs to aim even higher with more talented people to handle TREK on film.

90. John Trumbull - April 17, 2011

Reading the M.A.J.E.L. bit made me cringe. I can’t imagine watching a show where one element is basically a big in-joke.

91. Daoud - April 17, 2011

Shades of V.I.N.CENT or B.O.B.!
Decent try, but in the end, just as bad as Star Trek: The Beginning with Tiberius Chase, or Star Trek: Final Fronter animated with Alexander Chase… etc.
A competent captain in the centerseat, please. Robin Lefler in the early 2400’s. Ms. Judd might even be glad to entertain the thought. Just pick up where Voyager left off… it was getting pretty good there at the end, anyway! Admirals Picard and Riker and Janeway could make “very special appearances” as you go. CBS would be foolish to leap so far ahead that none of the TNG/DS9/VOY characters and actors would be available to a new Trek series.

We haven’t seen the TNG/DS9/VOY universe outside of the TNG films much at all for ten years now. It must be an interesting place to explore, just as it is! Trek 2500.

92. PJ - April 17, 2011

someone PLEASE snatch this up and instead of doing a tv series, make this into the action rpg series that trek has been sadly lacking. this could go head to head with the mass effect series and add WAY more fans to the base.

93. CarlG - April 17, 2011

Great post. What could have been is always fascinating, to coin a phrase.

And M.A.J.E.L. made me smile, fanwank or no fanwank.

94. Chang - April 17, 2011

@ 92

Couldn’t agree with you more. Imagine BioWare getting their hands on this.

95. bgdrewsif - April 17, 2011

this sounds a lot like what the Stargate people tried to do with the “universe” series. The Stargate fans more or less flatly rejected it as being too unrecognizable and not in the spirit of the other two series. I suspect the same thing would happen to this show had it been made.

96. Christopher Roberts - April 17, 2011

The concept behind Enterprise was sound enough for me. If the execution wasn’t to everybody’s taste to begin with.

I can’t say I agree that Star Trek’s only choice on the small screen, is something torn between moving forward to a distant century or creating yet another reality.

97. Jeyl - April 17, 2011

“they planned to return Star Trek to its roots of telling “compelling stories about our world today” instead of just telling stories more about the Trek universe itself.”

What’s wrong with the Trek universe? Isn’t that the universe our characters inhabit? I know that when you want to have Star Trek reflect today’s world, you do that in order to bring in the viewers. That’s understandable. But I fear that if that’s all they want to do and throw a big “DO NOT TOUCH!” on things that make Star Trek, you know, Star Trek, you may be in danger of having this series turn out to be too generic, predictable and uninteresting. I mean, what current day events did “The Trouble with Tribbles” represent back in the 60s? What did “The Tholian Web” try to signify? Was there a madness inducing plague that got every one scared?

Ugh. I’m not saying they can’t use real world events. I’m just not comfortable on how they literally dissed the Trek Universe like that.

98. hawaiiowa - April 17, 2011

WoW! The ‘what ifs’ that emerged when reading the ‘bible’ of the proposed series brought a tear to my eye. I totally agree with Anthony that Trek’s storytelling is best painted when TV is used as its palette. Confining Trek to movies only turns it into a gun-and-run monomythic adventure which closely parallels Star Wars and it’s ilk.

I hope that Para will rethink a TV trek after Trek2 hits the theatres next year. In a sense, this could repeat the pattern in the 80s when the ‘Spock dies’ trilogy revitalized the franchise and TNG evolved out of that. Certainly, Trek1’s numbers showed that the ST brand is still viable as a green energy generator.

I have a hunch that many Trekkies/Trekkers/Treknuts perceive the move to movies as watering down the Trek ethos. What veteran Trekkies need to recognize is that any TV reboot will need to be reflective of current culture in a robust manner. We’re not talking Simpsons fans here; the Trek fanbase is much more intelligent and introflective. The fans of Battlestar had major problems with the reboot…which was expected, since Battlestar was basically a manifest of the ‘disco’ culture, while Battlestar II was way removed from any ‘mirrorball’ type cheese.

The only suggestion I would make to add to the ‘bible’ is to create something novel by designing the Enterprise to be a ‘first’ in scifi visual media…a starship that changes shape (ala the mid-70s Starfleet Manual designs). NOT a Transformer-type thing! This would be a radical departure from the ‘boxy’ type ships that populate all the space operas. In 20 years, these will look as antiquated as the ‘cone and fins’ rockets in the 50s and 60s. Visually, the ship will need to grab a new audience who is iPOD savvy by having even more ‘eyecandy’…a fluidity of shapes that would keep the audience guessing because they won’t know what the Enterprise will ‘do’ during certain events. In other words, it won’t look the same every week.

The ship would employ multiple configurations while retaining the traditional nacelles/fuselage/saucer design. Habitable areas of the ship are contained in stasis fields, portals (ala Portal II) are used to move about the ship instead of elevators. Jeffery’s tubes stasis tunnels can be created to move about the ship during emergencies when portals cannot be used. MAJEL can reconfigure the ship as needed (nacelles transform into weapons staging during attacks/saucer elongates to a circular arrowhead while flying at high warp/certain parts of the fuselage shift into denser plating/any part of the ship’s ‘shell’ can be made into a window (ala the wonderful Earth view scene during First Contact). Since the whole ship’s exterior is basically a metallic sorta forcefield, it can do all sorts of moves. In battle, missle-type weapons like photon torpedoes can pass right through the hull because MAJEL will basically open up a hole at the targeted area. Interior sets like bridge/sickbay/engineering will transform as well…the walls literally changing shape, consoles shifting from ‘soft’ paneling for navigation to ‘hard’ paneling for combat. The look would vary greatly from the Transformers visuality: instead of millions of tiny parts creating a cubist approach, the Enterprise would be more fluid, perhaps even globular. Also, MAJEL would be more autonomous in controlling the ship, instead of just a dumbed-down computer servant, perhaps akin to Romy in Andromeda. Give her an avatar as well (a 3D anime hottie) and that’ll bring the otaku into the fold. If ST:FED is going to take place 500 years after TNG, the tech has to reflect this!

Anyway, my imagination is running wild…sure sign that I’m a Trekfan.

99. NX-03 - April 17, 2011

Exactly why can’t post Nemesis, as in not that long after, be fresh and exciting? Setting a new series there works on many fronts. Firstly it means that TNG characters/actors could easily be given guest star roles – therefore utilising and attracting an already existing fan base. Secondly, if the show begins around the same time as the destruction of Romulus, then that whole scenario could be aimed at bringing in the new movie-only fans and thirdly, if you are to go after Mr and Mrs never seen Star Trek before, as this is the furthest point Trek has ever been shown on TV/Film, then it can be a blank slate, surely? New crew, new ship (not named Enterprise preferably) exploring a strange NEW part of the galaxy – basically, it’s a blank canvas for the writers. Yes this is the same universe and time (more or less) as the TNG and all those TNG aliens, characters and planets are all within reach, but it doesn’t mean that have to feature heavily at all.

100. Miles R. Seppelt - April 17, 2011

Do it!

101. Angel - April 17, 2011

I reckon that the Federation could be staged in an era around 26th Century. Despite the Federation having problems with various alien races around them, they should maintain their position as a positive example to how peoples from all races can learn to co-exist in some kind of a mutual principle; such as when one is in trouble, all the others come to their aid without interfering in the political, religious, or developing aspects of the society they are rendering assistance to. Once the job is done in restoring things after a disaster or war, those alien worlds that came to help, go back to their home sistem. I think that the “cooperative” element of Star Trek should remain intact. There has to be an element of positive impact in society even in the distant future. That is what the heart of any descent and respectable alien race should endeavour to do. Why always portray the future with vendettas, maliciousness, envies and all other kinds of negative stuff? What is that going to tell our children in the future? It is not going to send a good message to them. They will grow up tormented and always thinking that the world around them is always hostile. It will only serve to make them more embittered and that is not how anyone descent would wish to bring up their children. Star Trek should impact the next generation in a way that will teach them how to solve their problems without the nedd to use violence or even provoke a violent response from others. Get your act together and stop filling young minds with constant conflicts in Sci-Fi. Star Trek aught to be a positive educational tool. Thank you.

102. Star Trek 3000 - April 17, 2011

ok heres my bitch pitches!

Star Trek: 20,001

at the start of the 201st century the Battlestar Enterprise NCC 1701 -ZXIV under the command of Commander Thomas Jefferson Kirk is patrolling the edge of the known universe searching for The Portal – a fabled hole that allows passage to the multiverses when the ships computer – S.H.A.T. 9000 – uncovers a dastardly secret plot by the Borg (who are supposed allies) to locate The Portal and contact the borg in the other universes in order to assimilate this one.

Commander T.J. Kirk, his trusty half vulcan/half Ferrengi first officer Mr Shmock and Dr Deforest must prevent the borg who are led by an enemy thousands of years in the past….

103. Javi Trujillo - April 17, 2011

I think this sounds great and I would still like to see it. I like the “fall of Rome approach” as I think it’s a good mirror for today. Love the MAJEL nod, and have no problem with the return of someone named Captain Kirk, and most certainly no problem with the return of the Enterprise. After all, I am sure there have been several people with the name Kirk between the 23rd centrury and the year 3000. As others have pointed out, this is still a first draft and not final project, so of course things would be refined as they got a green light. Mr. Burnett and Singer’s fandom for classic Trek is well known and I would love to see their take! It might not be super happy optimistic future amongst all races, but it still sounds very Trek to me.

104. Jack - April 17, 2011

97. I’ve been known to complain that Star Trek eventually became too self-referential. The stories don’t have to be allegories or heavy-handed morality plays, and I prefer it when they’re not, but they have to be good stories, whether they were Trek or not, stories about people, with import aside from just adding arcane details to fictional culture, history or technology.

Heck, Dr. Who has a backstory, but it’s never felt like walking into a members-only club… one can know nothing about Daleks and still enjoy an episode out of sequence, well, at least with the Russell Davies version… I admit found it tough to wade into when it was in reruns on PBS back when I was a kid… i had no idea what was going on… but I had no problem jumping into the middle of TOS.

105. Canon Schmanon - April 17, 2011

It all sounds pretty interesting, but the characters worry me a bit. Maybe there’s no way to avoid science fiction cliché. And they could, of course, grow out of the cliché role. But PLEASE with the emotional A.I.! I’ve NEVER seen a series that has done the emotional computer thing well. It always becomes quickly annoying. Why in the world would we want to give our computers emotions anyway? It’s a fantastically stupid idea. Maybe it can be done well by somebody with talent and imagination, but I’ve not seen it work yet.

I love the idea of a another Enterprise ship. Any new Star Trek series needs an Enterprise, in my OPINION. But if we’re going to have another Kirk, might as well go back and redo the TOS characters.

106. Third Remata'Klan - April 17, 2011

There are some neat ideas.
The 76th Distillation of Blue? M.A.J.E.L.? I quite love those.

107. AdmNaismith - April 17, 2011

I like this- Like Pascal says, it’s a little too far flung to act as a sequel series, but further drafts would have pulled it in (26th cen, fewer alien crew). But after the dominion and Borg wars, a further examination of the Federation and what it stands for is something whose time has come.

108. Michael Broadhead - April 17, 2011

Is there any way to release the entire document to the public?

109. NCC1103 - April 17, 2011

Love the M.A.J.E.L character. What a tribute to Star Trek history.

110. Jack - April 17, 2011

105. agreed. I like the idea, maybe from one of the novels, that in TOS, they could have had a sentient computer (the technology had long existed) but they chose not to, possibly because of some awful AI incident in the past, or legal\moral issues of creating a sentient being who isn’t free…

111. Jeyl - April 17, 2011

And if I may say, I find the fact that it’s going to be another Enterprise with another Kirk to be quite… intrusive. I mean, TNG had a crew with no relationship to the original series characters outside of the ship’s name and that was great.

Oh, and a future relative of Kirk being a Captain of a ship?

112. subspacejock - April 17, 2011

I appreciate some of the tertiary elements and characters, but this proposed Trek is loaded with problems. First off, it’s era is waaay too removed from any ST future for Trek fans to relate to. Second, the concept, setting and characters are riddled with politics and convoluted backstory. Take everything that got in the way of good storytelling on DS9, Enterprise, Andromeda and Babylon 5, add-em-up, and you have this confusing cocktail of a premise. Finally, the whole flavor of the show is pretty negative. Hard to believe we’ll ever find a way to actually like any character on this show, no matter many episodes expand character development. Especially Kirk’s distant nephew (I guess that’s what he was supposed to be). I mean, that’s a guy who’s just PO’ed at the git-go.

Glad this wasn’t given serious consideration. That said, again, there are lots of interesting ideas here. Love the M.A.J.E.L idea for a variety of reasons :)

113. subspacejock - April 17, 2011

BTW, the not-so-new method of story-arcs in television writing can’t just be applauded as “new” and “appealing to today’s audience”. I’m okay with the idea, but so many of these so-called ‘arcs’ simply end up being mysteries that inferior writers never supply a resolution to. Remember the dreaded Xindi in Enterprise? Even though LOST did ultimately answer the series’ question ‘What’s the mystery of the island’, that answer proved to be such a betrayal to the majority of the show’s fans.

Series written as long serialized story arcs are also very difficult to watch midstream. Fans of such shows are those who enjoy and are able to watch EVERY SINGLE EPISODE of the show. Those who can’t or don’t commit themselves to this sort of viewership won’t be able to watch an episode and understand much of it, therefore, they’ll probably not like it too much.

Yep, the old 5-act storytelling structure of Trek’s original series, and other classic TV might have it’s antiquated aspects to it, but television hasn’t become better just by rejecting hour-long-dramas that stand on their own. Good writing is good writing. Arcs can work, but they can also meander. A 5-act episode of a show can be formulaic and old fashioned, but when written exceptionally well, can blow you away. The format you choose to tell your story isn’t nearly as important as the quality of the story you’re telling…

114. SemperExploro - April 17, 2011

I for one am glad that this never got any traction.

I’m wondering what is so wrong with the original premise of Star Trek that it must be deconstructed and rewritten.

Some today clearly believe that optimism and hope, the very core of of Roddenberry’s vision, are out of vogue, perhaps even anachronistic in today’s world. The issue is that Star Trek is fundamentally about presenting a positive view of what the future holds–possibilities, not pessimism.

If a writer or director wants to pen a dark, dystopian drama, no worries and good luck. Make it a world that the Enterprise (or whatever Federation starship is involved) visits…make it a Star Trek story arc involving a mirror universe…or if you can’t deal within what you see as the “constraints” of the original Star Trek premise, develop your own framework–don’t bastardize the one that several generations have come to know, respect, and love.

Roddenberry’s original framework and vision will still (and always will) permit dramatic, relevant stories to be told. Not carried out by bad boy characters on the edge, but by realistically-drawn characters that we can relate to–with foibles, but not fatally flawed, living in a universe with imperfections, but not one that is collapsing on itself.

115. neutralx - April 17, 2011

WOW! I am amazed at how good this sounds. It’s nice to see Star Trek fans come up with a series. I truly hope this is Paramount releasing this info to test the waters and see how fans take to it. If that is true and Paramount is monitoring the feedback, I am very much in favour of watching this series if made.

116. Herkimer Jitty - April 17, 2011

Simple kvetching.

Its obvious that the darker premise is to enable things to get better, not worse. Star Trek needs to appeal to modern day folk – we have a gloomy view of the world today, and I think its more inspiring to see stories of people bringing hope to a gloomy sityuation.

I think people are overreacting because they have a rigid view of what is positive and optimistic.

117. Joel - April 17, 2011

The premise and storyline certainly has promise. It’s difficult to judge one way or the other from what’s revealed here, but I’d be intrigued.

It’s nice to see it set far in the future, because it definitely opens up a couple of things:

1. Allows for the evolution of alien species that we’re used to seeing (i.e., Vulcans, Klingons, etc.) that produces characters that aren’t the same thing from TNG-VOY.

2. Gives plenty of room for backstory development through episodes, books, etc. to show the evolution of these characters from 24th century to 31st century.

Unfortunately the premise of the show is more suited for SyFy than CBS. It’s certainly not mainstream Trek, but if Singer was looking to take Trek (while still remaining optimistic/hopeful) into more a BSG, serialized style type show, he’s onto something. Federation probably would never have garnered a major audience, but like BSG, it could find a niche on cable.

Maybe Federation will turn into the next great fan-made show?

118. Gerard - April 18, 2011

“Secondly they planned to return Star Trek to its roots of telling ‘compelling stories about our world today’ instead of just telling stories more about the Trek universe itself.”
“It is also true that a return to the origins of Star Trek with telling allegorical stories in a science fiction setting is welcome.”

I thought ST:VOY went a long way in this direction with some very interesting and innovative plots around the importance of individual responsibility and choices, and how these affect the world around us.

119. Twolf3 - April 18, 2011

I still say paramount/CBS would be smart to let the crew behind this run with it as a high quality web series.

Trek had it’s day on tv, and will never see that Hightower of success on that medium again. But Trek is perfect for the new medium of the net. Ideas like this are perfect for something like that.

120. Basement Blogger - April 18, 2011

I totally agree with Anthony Pascale that Star Trek is best on TV where as he says, “more complex story telling” and deeper character development could occur.

I”m not sure but I think the concept of the Preservers is from TOS The Paradise Syndrome.” Though they could be the alien race in TNG’s “The Chase.” Hey at least some other Trekkers liked “The Chase.” It’s one of my favorite TNG episodes.

121. TalesOfKrypton - April 18, 2011

76/77 – If it’s a return to TOS you seek, search for “Star Trek: Phase II” on Facebook or go to startreknewvoyages dot com for links to the very thing you’re wishing for. Other fans felt the same way as you and they made it happen :D LLAP

122. Star Trek 3000 - April 18, 2011

whats to stop them dusting this off for a tv show in 5 years time after the 3rd movie been and gone?

they could set it in either universe as itd be so far in the future it wouldnt matter – just no need to acknowledge which it is (itd be the Prime universe obviously)

Singer could still oversee and direct the pilot

123. Kirk, James T. - April 18, 2011

Here’s my pitch for a new series/trilogy of movies after JJ Abrams has been and gone.

In my opinion, the “prime timeline” is over. There are no more stories to be told within that timeline – its far too complex and doesn’t allow any new fans the chance to get into Star Trek.

My idea would be to go back and to a trilogy of movies or a TV series based on George Kirk onboard the Kelvin with a young Pike being assigned the Kelvin culminating in perhaps another time displacement sending things back to how they were in the prime timeline… so Nero doesn’t appear… however a prime timeline different to the one we’ve all seen prior to 2009. Thus restarting the franchise and leaving it up to someone else to do with it what they will – by then, a new generation of fans should have been well established allowing the next creative team to do with Star Trek what they will.

124. Steamblade - April 18, 2011

I like many of the elements regarding the traditional races. Not overly impressed by the crew, however. All in all, it sounds infinitely better than the Abrams abomination, which granted isn’t saying much.

125. captain_neill - April 18, 2011


No apology needed.

The problem with a concept like this is shaking things up while trying to kep it true to Star Trek.

If it strays too far away from the original vision then it runs the risk of being Star Trek only.

DS9 shaked things up by observing humanity from ‘the other side of the fence’ but to me it was still Star Trek to me. Look at some of the observations made by Quark of the Hew-mans.

We understood the Dominion as well, they were not a faceless enemy. As in Star Trek the villains believe they are right.

I also disagree about Enterprise being passe, maybe around the second season it dipped but I really felt it took some chances in its third year. Some great TV was produced in it’s third year and also I liked how season dealt with xenophobia which I felt was approopriate in 22nd Century after such a horrific attack.

126. captain_neill - April 18, 2011

That said there are some interesting ideas in this proposal but maybe its a little far ahead into the future?

127. captain_neill - April 18, 2011


I meant to say season 4 about xenophobia.

128. NX01 - April 18, 2011

Superman Returns looked good on paper and in print also.
I wish that movie had not made it to screen. Brian Singer broke my heart with that project.

I am sure one of the fans will make a fan film or series based on this.

129. Chris M - April 18, 2011

A very interesting concept and something that could very well have worked. However I think after 18 straight years on television Star Trek needed a break and I think re-inventing the franchise with JJ Abrams was the right way to go!!

When the time is right for a new Star Trek series this would be a a concept well worth considering…………

130. Star Trek 3000 - April 18, 2011

127 – Superman Returns has some kind of odd revisionist history thing going on. at the time it got alot of great reviews and did more BO than Batman Begins the previous summer and it was all systems go Singer to do a ‘Wrath of Khan’ style sequel for 2009 or 2010

then somewhere along the line the tide turned and it became considered a major disappointment and a critical disaster which led to the reboot out next year…

131. Dave H. - April 18, 2011

I like the idea of Star Trek Federation only because it is different. But it can’t be the same tired old formula that killed Trek on TV.

132. CmdrR - April 18, 2011

The description of the UFP sounds similar to The Culture. Sounds like it could be a cool universe to visit.

133. Peter - April 18, 2011

I’d be curious to see what the year 3000 looks like.

134. Jordan from UGO - April 18, 2011

Absolutely floored

135. Orb of the Emissary - April 18, 2011

Interesting, and different… but I would so watch it! :-)

136. Rich - April 18, 2011

Haven’t we already seen a Republic in decline? Does Star Wars ring a bell? These guys get the big bucks and this is the best they can come up with? You could tell other stories within the Star Trek universe as it has already been established.

137. phyfell - April 18, 2011

I can see why this was scrapped; the ideas used in this pitch are incredibly derivative, with very little originality and a great deal of pandering to popular sentimentality. Perhaps a Star Trek show about a future WITHOUT the Federation might be the way to go; show humanity on the brink of destruction, only to emerge again as a galactic power through hard work and sacrifice. That’s the Star Trek I’d like to see. Take Starfleet out of it’s element and show it struggle for it’s very survival.

138. Shannon Nutt - April 18, 2011

Sorry, that reads like a bunch of 12-year-old fanboys got together…it sounds horrible. Bryan Singer seems to like to take established material and put his own “twist” on it. Sometimes it works (X-Men), sometimes it doesn’t (Superman), and I think we can breathe a sigh of relief that this concept never saw the light of day.

139. VOODOO - April 18, 2011

I think Singer could do a great job, but it’s still far to early for a new tv series. The absolute earliest I could see a new series happening is 2015 after Abrams three film deal runs out.

140. phyfell - April 18, 2011

I’m sorry, but aliens made of gas? A computer named blatantly after Roddenberry’s wife? A feline crew member that isn’t a Caitian? (Okay, that’s a conceit.) Come on, these ideas are ridiculous! The Vulcans would never abandon the Federation; so long as the Federation represents the ideals of peaceful co-existence between alien races, the Vulcans will continue to embrace it. It would be illogical to eschew a government dedicated to peace and pacifism in favor of a discorded shambles like the Romulan Star Empire. The Vulcans are charter members of the Federation; if anything they would seek to bring the Romulans into the fold, at the risk of alienating the Klingons. Now, there’s a plot thread I wouldn’t mind seeing. It is entirely possible to make gripping dramatic stories without altering the fundamental natures the franchise and it’s elements.

And seriously, there’s no need for a Kirk in this story. Just because the character shares the name does not mean that he’s some kind of spiritual successor. To be completely honest, a timeframe like this would be so far removed from the previous one that the significance of being related to Kirk would be diminished considerably. In short, and as Q so aptly pointed out to Picard in “All Good Things…”, Kirk is “not that important”. Shocking as this may be to many people, his accomplishments were really not that striking, and could have been done by any other ship and crew; far greater feats were accomplished by his successors in the 24th Century.

The Next Generation, as heretical as this view may be to some, is the greatest example of what Star Trek can be; it was an amazing piece of television that was done with great creativity and sensitivity to what made Star Trek great. Deep Space Nine is a great example of how Star Trek can be done as a character drama. Voyager and Enterprise are examples of what you should often avoid in Star Trek (i.e. derivative storytelling, abandoning core plot threads, poor character development, etc.) The Original Series, though the seed that grew a great tree, was simply the prototype, and not the puritanical canon to which everything should be measured. Sometimes, in order for what was written in stone to have true meaning, the stone needs to be smashed…and it’s adherents cast into the fiery chasm. Forgive me; I jest. :-)

141. Will - April 18, 2011

“Haven’t we already seen a Republic in decline? Does Star Wars ring a bell? ”

Aside from being told it was in decline in that crawl at the start, the Star Wars films never actually showed anything in decline. The Italy-planet where Princess Portman came from looked resplendent, anyway. Tatooine looked the same in both eras. And the Fifth Element Planet (with the flying cars) looked very busy. No sign of decline there.

142. Dr. Image - April 18, 2011

Could have been moderately good- or ended up like Galaxy Quest, WITHOUT the humor.

143. svenden - April 18, 2011

Um, that whole story proposal just reads like a copy of Firefly. I was hoping for something more original.

144. ironhyde - April 18, 2011

The 76th Distillation of Blue — LOVE IT, hahaha…

I think the idea is very good. The setting within a failing paradise (sort of allowing the universe to sit somewhere similar to where we are today), and then base the narrative on an attempt to step out of the failure and to reach back into the exploration and find those qualities inside ourselves that can bring us to the greatness of early Trek. You could almost say it’s like a road map from today into the future. Very similar path, very exciting to think that even where we find ourselves, no matter how bad, we can never give up on the potential of mankind. We could make it through from our messy world into Roddenberry’s future… and so can these men and women on the new Enterprise make it through.

Needs to be dealt with in the right way, but it could be an amazing show.

145. U.S.S. Manila NCC-99232 - April 19, 2011

The characters are fascinating, but the events at the selected year, 3000, would only screw up the Trek timeline. That’s because it’s where Daniels came from.

146. JasonAW3 - April 19, 2011

Moving the series to the 30th century strikes me as pushing too far into the future.
While I imagine the overall stagnation of the Federation, (Suprisingly, hinted at in the first couple of seasons of TNG) would cause a slowdown of technological advancement, by the 30th century it would likely be about as advanced as the difference between the 1600’s and today. The use of phasers and solid matter starships would seem as quaint to the people of that century as the idea of knights in armor goin g up against an M-1 Abrams main battle tank! (Trust me, the guy in the tin suit would get squished).
Mind you, by that time, I would suspect that people would have nanotech layered spacesuits that could be worn continiously that also doubled as personal starships, or starshios the size of a sports car with a tesseracted interior giving it the interior volume of a galaxy class starship. Weapon systems that disrupt the fabric of space and time, making their opponents never exist in the first place. Genisis devices that can remake a small asteroid into an M class environment, of the same size, but with an earthlike gravity. Construction of ring worlds and Dyson spheres around Brown Dwarf stars, not for population sizes, but simply because they can. Heck, why not custom made star systems, creating stars and planets in nebulas, using controled gravity field projections and pockets of accelerated time to design and terraform those worlds within the field through billions of years of evolution, in only a few days. Instead of luxury liners, why not entire starsystems that can move wherever they want to via controlled forcefields to protect the system, and artificial wormholes?
Pushing the show to the 30th century makes it nearly unrecognizable in many ways, but pushing it to the 25th or 26th century could work. There’s already signs of stagnation from Enterprise to TNG, so why not capitalize on that? Those that have come from future eras have been vague on details of those eras, thus, such a collapse happening in one to two hundred years in entirely possible and keeping what Singer crew wrote here as a basis actually works better.

BTW; Is it just me, or did anyone else ever catch onto the fact that Gary Seven is in fact an Americanized Doctor Who, as seen from Gene Roddenberry’s perspective? His companions, the Bank Vault transport (Tardis) his computer, His little zappy pen like gizmo that gave of an odd sound and could stun, make changes to electronics, unlock locks and remove panels from the sides of rockets, (Sonic Screwdriver)? Yes, I know he’s supposed to be human, but that’s simply a case of filing off the serial numbers to protect the guilty. THAT would have been kind of interesting to see as a series as well, if you added timetravel to it as well. (Which, as may have been noticed, was also implied by his knowledge of the future). Oh well, lost opprotunities…


147. Ian Pryde - April 19, 2011

Seems a bit similar to this pitch for an animated series post TNG


148. Rich - April 19, 2011

“Haven’t we already seen a Republic in decline? Does Star Wars ring a bell? ”
You are correct that we didn’t SEE the decline- which was political anyway. But the Star Wars galaxy was huge – far bigger than the Star Trek galaxy, so there may have been places that actually were in decline. Plus, I think the whole idea was derived from and a tribute to the Foundation novels where the decline is actually a fragmenting of the galactic empire, like the Dark Ages after the Roman Empire’s dissolution.

149. THX-1138 - April 19, 2011

Well, I liked it. Anything that get’s me back to the Prime (ugh) universe. For a first draft this sounded pretty good. There were some tweaks it needed of course but as a whole it was intriguing.

As much as I love the Trek movies I will ALWAYS love the TV Trek more.

150. Dr. Cheis - April 19, 2011

Sounds better than I expected. I think it jumped too many years though. About a century’s gap was enough for the other timeline jumps and should be good enough for this one.

151. Lou - April 19, 2011

why does everything have to keep on being farther and farther into the future? why can’t we see something that happened at the same time as the first 6 movies? the federation is pretty big and I doubt Kirk was the only one to see any action. Besides, phasers were only used in one of those 6 movies and I still think those phasers look the best out of all of them.

152. houser - April 19, 2011


I kinda think Mass Effect IS a take on Star Trek. A gritty one without the overlying optimism.

153. Exteban - April 20, 2011

We can see a transcript of the entire document someday?

154. David - April 20, 2011

Post the link to the summary. let us read the whole thing!

155. captain_neill - April 20, 2011

AS I said no problem with a Star Trek show being different but the most important thing is that it keeps the Star Trek ideals.

If it moves away from what Trek is about then it is only Trek in name only.

This idea is interesting but I do think it is too far removed. That said if it were on I would probably watch it.

I think DS9 and the last 2 years of Enterprise were amongst the darkest years of Trek and I felt they stayed true to Trek ideals To me they prove you can go darker and not lose what Trek is about.

156. T'Cal - April 20, 2011

Bring back Trek on TV! So say we all!!

157. Lost in the Desert - April 20, 2011

Wow – I can almost image the entry sequence… (drool)

Still, I would be ok without a “kirk” entity. I would be appropriate to have a collection of people who rise and fall as the series progresses.

158. Polly - April 21, 2011

Captain American guy dies immediately…Why cant we have a captain america?!

Alexamder Kirk…why does he have to be “kirk”? We already have a kirk. Wouldnt it be a bit more original if we had a totally new guy? Or maybe even a woman?

Vulcans leaving the Federation…No. Period. Full stop. No.

Blue gas alien…I acually think I could like this, if they found a really cool way to execute the idea

Cat-girl… um, well if it could be done without being extremely cheesy, I guess

M.A.J.E.L….kind of a nice tribute, if a little fanwank

I’m not too thrilled about the changes to the Cardassians.

But my biggest problem is that wasnt Star Trek supposed to stand for a brighter future? Hope for humanity? I mean, come on, how many movies/books/tv shows do we have about the future bringing nothing but the end of the world, a mass world crisis, the only reason aliens show up is to annihilate us, etc. Star Trek…is just not like that. And that’s the main reason I’m glad this never took off.

159. Adrienne - April 21, 2011

I was painfully skeptical of this concept at first, but after reading through this article, I have to say I’m a bit excited to see this series come to fruition. My only issue is why the hell does there need to be another Kirk? Everything else about this sounds pleasantly original, and I’m quite relieved it’s not another prequel (or a reboot), so why backtrack with the main character? Besides, how could Kirk have any offspring? His only son (so far as I know) was killed. If there had been Kirk progeny floating around in all the post-TOS years, wouldn’t we have heard about them? It makes no sense for some great-great-great-whatever-grandson to show up now out of nowhere just to be thrust unwilling (and unqualified) into the captain’s chair. Or are we to believe that his last name is a mere coincidence?

Now on to the positives. I love the way the humanoid races with whom we are all so familiar have evolved. Too often, previous Trek series were painfully jokey about certain species, like the Ferengi and the Klingons. I like the idea of building their complexity, as long as not too much of their “history” on the show is forgotten. I like the idea of a gaseous character, as long as he’s not too much of an Odo remake (I love Odo, let’s not strip his character of its uniqueness), and naming the computer M.A.J.E.L. is sweet.

Something I’m a bit wary of is the lack of a distinct “outsider” character. TOS had Spock, TNG had Data, DS9 had Odo, and Voyager had 7 of 9 and to a lesser extent the Doctor. It’s perhaps formulaic, but it’s a formula that has been a powerful driving force in the Trek franchise. Too many of the characters listed in this document seem to be teetering on the brink of outsider-ness, but not one seems quite ready to fall fully into the role. There also needs to be a sort of “bridge” character (not a reference to the command center of the ship, btw) between the outsider and the rest of the cast. For example, as Geordi was to Data, as Kira was to Odo, and as Kes was to the Doctor and the Doctor was to 7 of 9. It’s my firm belief that this needs to be handled in order to give this series any chance of working in the long term.

But I didn’t want this to be one of those huge, rambling reviews that no one reads, so I’ll stop here.

160. Dan155 - April 23, 2011

The only new Trek series that T.V execs are going to be interested in is something set in the Abramsverse because that’s where the potential new audience and money is.

161. Capt. Jean-Luc Picard IV - April 23, 2011

Why the captain has to be a descendant of Kirk? Could s/he be the descendant of other Trek Captains — say Picard, Janeway, or Archer? Just my opinion.

162. jdmccarthy - April 23, 2011

its sounds gd way they say might happen just see if theyt make it at all let hope so

163. actus reus - April 24, 2011

felineoid security officer hope red hair one and furry (-:
just for that this concept should materialized… (both literarly and figuratively)

164. Paul - April 24, 2011

You purists make me laugh. Barring the Abrams movie, Star Trek was dead in the water, because the concept clearly got stale after the brilliant DS9, and the ratings/fan reaction showed that.

This idea show’s a more realistic view of the Federation, and humanity in general. Something both DS9 and B5 got right in spades. This is the 21st century. We have the resources to make this awesome. With that being said, I’m sending this pitch to Bioware. Those geniuses definitely can do something with this.

165. Mad Mat - April 29, 2011

Its an interesting storyline, like with every great civilisation, they do have their dark times (not meaning the dominion war), and times of great upheaval. This would one point where everything changes though there will always be an elements of the old times. Taking the 12th to 17th century as a guide.

Even in the 24th century that I got the impression that the federation was at the hight of its social and technological standing, its about time that things would start to fall apart, and this story would be a good story to start with

Setting the timeline to 30th century may be a bit too far ahead, I would of set it more to the 27th century.

166. Mad Mat - April 29, 2011

Taking my last point #165, I would say the a more accurate guide would be the birth and fall of the Roman empire than taking the 12 to 17th century.

167. J.R. LeMar - May 15, 2011

Geoffrey Thorne gives his side of how this pitch was developed (with no actual input from Bryan Singer):


168. TrekMadeMeWonder - July 5, 2011

I would think once you eliminate hunger and greed alot of problems would be solved. Federation in decline? Never..

169. edaedo - August 17, 2011

viva star trek, viva stargate, viva galactica

170. carlos - August 17, 2011

what happend with star trek federation??????

171. J.R. LeMar - August 20, 2011

@Carlos check the blog link I posted a few comments above yours.

172. Jeffrey Dean - December 27, 2011

If any of the people working on this project read this let them take this as a warning I will be contacting a lawyer as soon as this series is produced (assuming it ever gets produced). I developed a series proposal in 2006 that is completely identical to this one in most respects. Since I have been a “pitch” writer for Star Trek since 1995 I sent the proposal to Paramount. I completely NOTORIZED the proposal! I do not know how Singer got his hands on it but I am sure it will be easily established in court! I have had NUMEROUS ideas taken from me and used by Paramount in the Star Trek universe but this time I will fight back. I will keep this series in litigation for years. I’ve had enough!

173. James Starr - January 1, 2012

There are several major flaws within the story concept of Star trek (the future of humanity). There is the issue of what we could call simply the “Born Community” who are a alien community of species that monitors sentient life forms not yet born of their mother planet. The “Born” are the majority of actual existence of level 4+ alien life forms in the universe. There is a major concept I can share with the creators of Star Trek that they have not revealed in any story line to date. It is the reality of what actually happens to most species in the universe and those who successfully were born of their planet are the only ones who do not end up extinct.

The Born are space dwelling communities of thousands of species that have successfully sustained and permanently left their planets of origin; thus, in result were born. A major criterion required for being born and potentially being included into the “Born Community” is that one’s species must have reached this point in their development in a healthy, moral and responsible manner. This requires key, specific developments in a species unification process that is universally required to reach such a level of civilization capable of self-sustaining its species indefinitely in space. This is why there are far more “Born” species than there are “Defectives” who did not reach planetary freedom through responsible and moral means; instead, through brutal totalitarianism, unethical and cruel methods that were barbaric, resource depleting and destructive to not just their own species but to any other they would meet.

There are few sentient species not under the supervision of the Born Communities. Their reason for their involvement is due to the rare, but devastating births of defective species. Their births brought with them galactic wars, cruelty, and utter destruction. There have been recent and ancient wars fought where galaxies were raped, plundered, depleted and eventually destroyed along with all the life forms that were contained within it, by just one defective species. The acts of these “Defective” life forms are insane, and even careless creatures born on to the universe that were devoid of conscience and responsibility. Many of your human films were inspired by our whispers of such stories; such as, The Borg, Aliens, Predator, Terminator, Daleks are just a few you might be aware of.

The born exist today in defending the universe from cruelty, tyranny and other defective traits of species born too early. Therefore, is the purpose and role of the Voice; and, that is to serve the unborn species with a gentle voice of encouragement towards developing sentient species. The Voice follows a strict directive; and, can take millions of years to guide a species towards being born and too often can result still in their extinction.

The Born, avows to not intentionally allow defective species to be born onto the universe. The “Voice” of the “Born” usually only indirectly intervene, by guiding a species with gentle nudges and whispers of inspiration during their development, leading them towards the Born. The Unborn are either in its natural origins and development or we artificially inseminate suitable worlds with sentient potential life-forms. As they develop towards their birth we assist these “Unborn” species towards a healthy birth, helping to avoid their abortion/extinction. Although, the universe is quite susceptible to potential life in areas, a sentient specie chances of survival towards being born of their mother earth is astronomically rare. The universe and the solar systems that might offer suitable platforms to support sentient life but few survive.

The born live entirely within artificial means aboard each their fleets of planetoid sized spacecraft; you may simply call them “Mother Ships”. These ships are all that is required to sustain a species indefinitely and is entirely provided by the shared technologies and knowledge of the Born Community; of which, is designed to assure the reliability of mobility, defend ability and our self-sustainability.

The use particle materialization technologies, trans dimensional/temporal travel and fuels from various energy fields that permeate the fabric of space and specific kinds of stellar furnaces; therefore, the Born Community no longer require the resources of a momentary resource provided by planets of great instability. The first “Born” communities joined together in assisting each other to survive, prosper, and live under unified principles. The idea that humans so new to the universe creating this communities is delusional and arrogant. If indeed our species survives the next few years, our species MUST unify and build technologies to leave our planet indefinitely to avoid extinction; however, if we are defective, born from our planet not mature, the born will prevent us from leaving our planet and may very well cause our abortion or reboot.

174. Jr - February 5, 2012

If I were pitching a new series I would probably go for a reboot of TOS. A complete reboot, not a partial one like the movies. I’d keep most of the characters the same but probably introduce some new female main character. (My preference would be to make that character Helen Noel.)

I’d also get rid of some of the things I dislike about the ST universe. Vulcans would actually be a different race of humans, not this weird completely unrelated species whose internal anatomy is different from ours while looking the same on the outside and being reproductively compatible. No teleportation, so no need to invent an excuse every third episode for why they cannot teleport their way out of trouble.

Storywise I would keep it pretty episodic. The fact that Enterprise travels around and visits different planets rather naturally lends itself to stories concluding in one episode. On the other hand there would be some character development over longer arcs, so it would not be the like TOS or TNG where you would never know if you watched the episodes out of order.

175. geoffrey thorne - February 7, 2012


176. jwillis84 - February 10, 2012

TOS was Gene Roddenberry’s original version of the Internet Blog. The Internet didn’t exist yet so he hi-jacked a television series to share ideas he had about the future and to comment on the world as he saw it in his generation. That it proved interesting was a reflection of the times. That it proved topical was because he influenced stories to more or less keep up with current events. (no different fro the “rip from the headlines” 90210 storylines)

Tricorders, Communicators, Phasers and Transporters were his version of reading Popular Electronics, Popular Science and trying to explain a few of the ideas in laymans terms.. he made it more interesting to us by showing us how these ideas would be used by his characters.

Over time the technology has become dated, and the message delivery system has become more direct.. we have big name talk show hosts deliverying their view on current events.. and Reality TV contestants introducing various distorted multiverse points of view.

To return to something like Star Trek would almost take a Steve Jobs or Larry Ellison type of characters vision. Someone with the will and capability to get a project funded and driven under a single vision.

Ironically.. hold on to your hat.. I think it did happen.. with Paul Allen and TechTV.. they had their Kirk and Spock as well.. but I’ll leave it up to your imagination to cast the actors in their various roles.

The problem is I see this proposal making the same mistakes all the other series did.. fomulaic storytelling based on a cast of 7-> 3 majors and 4 minors, an incident, a bible, and undercurrents of an Arc. That’s been done over and over to death and its still not Trek.

Trek was best when each story was above and beyond Trek a great story, it was an anthology. It adopted brilliant orphans from classic writers and adapted them, tweaked them, to fit in its universe. At times it was like a Picasso painting, juxtiposed and chaotic at best.. sometimes you just had to conveniently forget an episode just to get by and on to the next one (Spock’s Brain)(Turn About Intruder).

But it was also a buffet of current Sci Fi concepts and topics.. hyperventilating with techno-babble superlatives.. which young children only recalled years later in high school or college.

Trek does Trek best when it serves the story and storytellers.. not the other way around.. and not the audience or the commercial interests. And its that impenetrable Techo-babble that makes it deliscously ironic years later when you pickup your first iPhone or iPad.. Steve Jobs after all wasn’t just a business owner.. he was a client as well.

177. jwillis84 - February 10, 2012

BTW.. Leo Laporte and Bill Shatner share more than a passing resemblence, perhaps a few character traits as well.

As for JJ Abrams, he’s the closest thing we have to Gene Roddenberry on stage today. He very well could bring Trek back to TV in the manner it should. His first movie did precisely what the original series would have done it invoked the true prime directive of Trek story telling.. don’t repeat yourself.. ironic

178. Admiral Fawkes - February 17, 2012

As much as I love the philosophical aspects of Star Trek, commenting too directly on current issues can be dangerous. Oh, it’s been done in Trek before, but I know some folks who were turned off, for instance, by the Xindi storyline in ENT which appeared not long after 9/11. I also vehemently disagree with those who want to divorce any future Trek from “the canon.” Moving entire films and shows into an alternate universe or pushing things way, way into the future destroy the sense of familiarity and continuity that I love about Star Trek. I like a lot of this proposed show’s ideas, but would prefer it occur soon after the events of Star Trek Nemesis or at least not later than about 2600 A. D. No reboot, please. TNG, DS9, and VOY all ran 7 seasons with no reboot and were all quite different from each other in various respects. I’d argue ENT really was a good series too.

179. JohnP - March 22, 2012

“dam nother white cpt….. sometimes i hate being asian. cant aud for those cool roles…”

Move to Asia, and try out for all those great Asian sci-fi TV roles.

180. JohnP - March 22, 2012

Alice, I liked Enterprise too. I’ve got all the Star Trek stuff on DVD but I’ve never been a real Trekkie, so I don’t know why all the Trekkies seem to hate it, and I don’t care.

I liked Enterprise because it much closer to the two-fisted “old school” space opera I’d rather see. We get enough “gender issues” and “diversity” and anti-war stuff in real life. Like I want my escapism larded with that boring crap, too? No thanks. The best thing about Enterprise? No Federation. Like anyone with two brain cells to rub together wants to be ruled by the United Nations.

I want evil aliens, ray guns, warp speed, hot alien chicks, etc. A nice, extended allegory for the Age of Exploration and colonialism. Hold the “gender issues,” “diversity,” anti-war messages, pinko globalism, AIDS metaphors, and whitey-bashing, please.

181. 1st Admiral Maximus Nova - May 26, 2012

Sounds like the storyline to Andromeda. Feline character, sentient ship, an android, genetically enhanced humans? Restoring the Federation from a scourge that plagues emotions….come on now. They should do a series on the Temporal Prime Directive and their crew.

182. mark defrancisco - June 14, 2012

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