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Exclusive: Sherlock Star Benedict Cumberbatch Cast As Star Trek Sequel Villain January 4, 2012

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Star Trek Into Darkness , trackback

UPDATED: The Star Trek sequel starts shooting in just a couple of weeks and the team behind the film are busy casting roles for the film. TrekMovie has exclusively learned that this week JJ Abrams and his team have cast British actor (and Sherlock star) Benedict Cumberbatch for a major role in the film. UPDATE: Cumberbatch will be playing the villain.


UPDATE 2: Sherlock star Cumberbatch cast as Star Trek villain

TrekMovie has learned Benedict Cumberbatch, star of the hit BBC series Sherlock, has been tapped to play a major role in the 2013 Star Trek sequel.

Following the first posting of this article Variety confirmed the TrekMovie report and also reported that Cumberbatch will be playing the villain. TrekMovie has followed up and confirmed this report as well.

JJ Abrams and his team originally were considering Benicio Del Toro for the role of the villain, but talks broke down about a month ago. Following that the team began looking at other actors including Edgar Ramirez. A source tells TrekMovie that Cumberbatch "blew them all away" with his audition.

Benedict Cumberbatch to play villain in 2013 Star Trek sequel

The 36 year-old English actor has a TV and film career that dates back a decade, but he is best known for his critically-acclaimed role as the star of Sherlock, the new BBC series created by Steven Moffat (Doctor Who) which brings Sherlock Holmes into a modern setting. Cumberbatch received his third BAFTA nomination and also won a Broadcasting Press Award and a UK National Television Award for his work in Sherlock. In 2006 he was given accolades (including a BAFTA nomination) for playing physicist Stephen Hawking in the BBC biopic Hawking. Indicating his rising star, British GQ Magazine named Cumberbatch actor of the year for 2011. 

Cumberbatch has also been picking up more film work recently. He has roles in the new Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy and Stephen Spielberg’s War Horse (both currently in theaters). He is also providing the voice and motion-capture for Smaug the dragon in Peter Jackson’s forthcoming Hobbit films.   

Here is a scene featuring Cumberbatch from the second season of Sherlock (which premiered on the BBC last Sunday).

And here he is in Tinker, Tailor, Soldier Spy.

The Star Trek sequel is slated to begin shooting on January 15th and will be released May 17, 2013. Stay tuned to TrekMovie for all the news related to this project.

UPDATE 1: Little more info and Lindelof on Cumberbatch

Apparently TrekMovie isn’t the only outlet that got word of the casting of Cumberbatch. Deadline is also reporting the casting as an "exclusive" tonight. Their reporting also that it is a "lead role" with no word on "whether he’ll be a hero or villain."

Two days ago Star Trek sequel co-writer/producer Damon Lindelof sent out a tweet saying that "something big" had just happened with the Star Trek movie. Tonight Lindelof tweeted again, pointing to the Cumberbatch casting article with a note saying "That is the cool thing to which I referred? #BoldlyGo"


1. Thorny - January 4, 2012

And again… so much for the “big name to draw in international audiences” idea.

2. jas_montreal - January 4, 2012

Actually i like benedict quite a bit in Sherlock. Like this.

3. TrekMadeMeWonder - January 4, 2012

Can anyone say LAZAROUS?

4. Craiger - January 4, 2012

Kirk and Crew encounter Sherlock Holmes in the sequel. :)

5. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - January 4, 2012

Come on enough with not telling us what roles these people have been cast as. It doesnt ruin your movie to tell people what role these peoples are playing.

6. DavidJ - January 4, 2012

Well he’s definitely not Khan. Lol

7. JGLJR89 - January 4, 2012

1. Not sure what you’re implying. I don’t really want to see someone like Tom Cruise in a Star Trek movie. Benedict Cumberbatch is a good actor. That’s what counts.

8. JGLJR89 - January 4, 2012

1. Not sure what you’re implying. I don’t really want to see someone like Tom Cruise in a Star Trek movie. Benedict Cumberbatch is a good actor. That’s what counts.

9. MJ - January 4, 2012


10. JGLJR89 - January 4, 2012

Sorry for double post…stupid phone.

11. Leen - January 4, 2012

OMG!!! I’m seriously having a heart attack right now, I love him!!!! I don’t think I can handle this movie. I might cry.

12. DeShonn Steinblatt - January 4, 2012


Yeah, but they’re not going to tell us who Edgar Ramirez is playing, either. This way it just looks like policy for everybody.

And I do remember them revealing the character names when they cast the last movie.

13. TonyD - January 4, 2012

Cumberpatch is an outstanding actor; his portrayal of Sherlock Holmes is amazing as he successfully retains all of the character’s classic traits while simultaneously redefining him for the 21st century.

While he is pretty much an unknown commodity here in the USA, I’m sure he has a pretty healthy following in England and Europe thanks to Holmes.

It would have been nice to have a BIG NAME star, but it is also heartening to see Abrams signing good actors for significant parts.

14. Thorny - January 4, 2012

7… I don’t know him from Adam, but after Trek 2009 under-performed overseas there was a ton of “the next movie will have a big name to draw in the international audiences” from those ‘in the know’.

15. Craiger - January 4, 2012

Anthony just curious are you saying Deadline and Variety are using TrekMovie as their source because they aren’t mentioning that they got this news from TrekMovie.com. Variety says he is the main villian.


16. Angie - January 4, 2012

@Thorny Benedict Cumberbatch is one of the biggest names in England at the moment. Both figuratively and literally. It will certainly draw in UK audiences.

17. SilverHakai - January 4, 2012

The gods are in their respective heavens, and all is all right with all the worlds.

Meanwhile, there’s no such thing as too much geeking out.

18. JGLJR89 - January 4, 2012

Thorny, gotcha. Check out Sherlock. It’s quite well done and incredibly well written. It currently streams on Netflix.

19. Ciaran - January 4, 2012

Now this is what I call unexpected casting. Lol.

20. Anthony Pascale - January 4, 2012

I have updated the article. It is confirmed that Cumberbatch is playing the villain

21. Cousin Itt - January 4, 2012

I’ve posted this here before – this is who they should have cast as Spock…

22. MJ - January 4, 2012


23. Craiger - January 4, 2012

I wonder how he would do up against The Doctor?

24. Mel - January 4, 2012

I can so see him playing Trelane

25. Joel - January 4, 2012

Well this should put the Khan rumors to bed.

Great casting. Excited for what I’m sure for what will be near daily updates once filming starts!

26. Trekker5 - January 4, 2012

Is this the Sherlock Simon Pegg was just talking about missing? Now he’ll get to meet him!! How cool is that?!:) Anyway,this so awesome! As I said before,spoil me rotten!! :)

27. Anthony Pascale - January 4, 2012


It appears that Deadline, TrekMovie and Variety all got the same tip and we all have the same “exclusive” news. I think Deadline and TM were first within a few minutes, with Variety following.

This kind of thing happens. Back when the main cast was being set in 2007 we had a few instances when we beat out Hollywood Reporter and/or Variety by a few hours but I dont expect them to cite us if they have their own sources.

28. MJ - January 4, 2012

@26 “Is this the Sherlock Simon Pegg was just talking about missing?”

Makes you wonder if Pegg was trying to give us a clue?

29. William - January 4, 2012

Very Cool. As other have said here, He is excellent as Holmes. I love Conan Doyle and Cumberbatches version is very true to Conan Doyle’s text. This could be very good for Star Trek.

30. Blake Powers - January 4, 2012

English Actors are always the best.. This guy is going to explode after Trek!

31. Admiral New - January 4, 2012

Oh wow! Ok, now I’ve got very high expectations about the villain. They had better not waste Cumberbatch.

32. Daoud - January 4, 2012

This answers a couple questions:
–If a Botany Bay genetic superman other than Khan was awakened first…. one who died in the prime universe, or even Joachim… how would it have played out? (“Don’t wake up Khan, he’s a pain in the arse.”)

–What would have Chancellor Gorkon been like during the 2260’s? What actor could mimic a young David Warner reasonably?

–What was Garth of Izar like around 2258 before his accident? Or, if his accident didn’t happen.

–What if the Romulans in the altered universe respond in the after-Nero with a mission of “outreach” led by a younger Commander who vaguely reminds us of a slightly younger version of Sarek?

I see Benedict with pointed ears easily. Klingon ridges, not so much, although as young Commander Gorkon…. Captain Garth, sure. A different superman, sure.

Make it so! Boldly go! :)

33. Gary 7 - January 4, 2012

Seriously? Another snooty Brit. Fantastic. Who’s he gonna play? Harry Mudd’s nephew? Sorry to say, the more I see of the casting, the less confidence I have in this movie. And whoever the villain is supposed to be, they were clearly going after an actor of latin descent until now, so are they “adjusting” or doing a re-write to accomodate the change in the ethnicity of the character or will Mr. Cumberpatch be doing his best attempt at a Ricardo Montalban impression?

34. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - January 4, 2012

number 12 thats the point i am getting at tell us allready who all of these actors they are casting are playing. I mean come on allready, you didnt see the producers of the Hobbit or Superman not saying who the actors they cast .no pretty much as soon as they were cast their parts were revealed

They said right away Costner was playing Johnathan Kent, they said right away that Laurence Fishburne was Perry White, and that Russel Crowe was playing Jor El after they signed him.

same goes for upcoming movies like spiderman.

it doesnt spoil the movie saying what supporting characters they have been cast as.

35. rm10019 - January 4, 2012

Holy Crap this is a great casting coup.

36. Red Dead Ryan - January 4, 2012


37. NotAmused - January 4, 2012

Simon Pegg obviously knew about this casting when he tweeted the other day. What a clever little hint!

38. William - January 4, 2012

#34… I think that the difference is that revealing a role in the new Star Trek movie could very well reveal a major plot point for the film. Revealing who is cast in the main Superman roles (or the primary Trek roles in the last movie for that matter) doesn’t tell us too much about the plot. Just my observation

39. mittenthief - January 4, 2012


40. Sunfell - January 4, 2012

I’m sure that Simon Pegg will be thrilled- he was bemoaning his inability to watch “Sherlock” while in the US- BBC’s online channel is blocked in the US.

41. sherlock bones - January 4, 2012

@34 the difference is: they all play characters that are more or less a given in those franchises.
no one is surprised if pa kent turns up in a superman movie. or perry white.
but with star trek antagonists, even if they don’t use new, original villains, they (the producers) have the elements of surprise on their side. the same applies to most of the other characters than the main crew.

42. Brian-from-OR - January 4, 2012

My excitement level for this movie just shot up to 200%!

43. Anthony Pascale - January 4, 2012

Well as far as I can tell Cumberbatch wasn’t cast when Pegg tweeted about Sherlock. It could just be a coincidence.

44. AJ - January 4, 2012

Benedict Cumberbatch is currently cast as “Voice of Smaug” in what I presume will be the second “Hobbit” film. Funny, as IMDB first listed Nimoy in that role.

Sounds intriguing.

45. Anthony - January 4, 2012

Cumberbatch will also voice the Necromancer in “The Hobbit,” which may make an appearance in the first film. The Necromancer is Sauron in another form.

46. jesustrek - January 4, 2012

painted blue, it looks Andorian.

47. the Quickening - January 4, 2012

#34 I agree. I think Abrams takes the secrecy thing way too far.

#38, 41 But, Abrams does that with just about all the roles. He may be just a control freak.

48. kari - January 4, 2012

PLEASE BENEDICT TAKE A BREAK, he’s just finished season two SHERLOCK, then filmed a miniseries Parade’s End, then off to NZ for Hobbit, then a film in Ireland. T T But I will see this movie if he’s in it.

49. T. Kruger - January 4, 2012

# 33 Really? Another Snooty Brit? Have you even watched him in other rolls. I am thrilled. Benedict Cumberbatch is brilliant actor. I think he will be fantastic.

50. mechascorpio - January 4, 2012

HEAD EXPLODES!! This is fantastic news! Benedict Cumberbatch is an absolutely *brilliant* actor, and he eats up scenes and screens as few others can do. Given the right story, I predict he’ll be as iconic and remembered as fondly to Trek fans as Montalban’s Khan was. This casting is really quite a coup.

p.s. I’m not saying he’s Khan
p.p.s. Please stop writing “Cumberpatch”

51. Ethy - January 4, 2012

Benedict Cumberbatch is an amazing actor! He’s going to be fantastic in this film. I think the poor man needs a break considering all of the work he is doing right now. I was blown away with the newest episode of Sherlock.

To people saying “This man is going to blow up after ST” well, he’s already been a star to many of us who have followed his career. If anything, I’m glad more people will be exposed to Cumberbatch’s amazing acting chops.

52. Greenberg - January 4, 2012

Can’t believe there’s anyone in the world who’d have a problem with him being in the movie. He’s not lucky to get into Star Trek – Star Trek is lucky to have him, and if there’s any justice in the world then this movie will make him a big name.

53. General Martok - January 4, 2012


54. Darkwing - January 4, 2012

This movie has now achieved instant win status.

55. Patrick R - January 4, 2012

Holy shit this is great news!

56. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 4, 2012

#33 “Another snooty Brit?”
What? I don’t know anything about Benedict Cumberbatch but I doubt he is snooty and Simon Pegg certainly does not seem at all snooty to me. These actors are just good at what they do – ACTING and that is why they are being hired to play in movies like the Star Trek sequel. Anyway, I guess JJ Abrams want the actors to be the characters, not be a *star* with a character’s name stuck to his chest.

Edgar Ramirez was only being considered. There is no mention of him having signed on to play anyone in the next movie.

The first Hobbit movie does not come out until December 2012. Perhaps he has already done some of the voice-overs for Smaug and Necromancer.

57. Weerd1 - January 4, 2012

Absolutely phenomenal. I am overjoyed.

58. Todd - January 4, 2012

Ya know, he seems like an unlikely Khan at first, but look at his face and Ricardo Montalban from Space Seed side by side, there really is a resemblance. Plus he’s a great actor and it’s not like Star Trek actors don’t get done up by the makeup department… I wonder how long they’ll wait to reveal who he’s playing, now that the role has FINALLY been cast…?

59. Andy Patterson - January 4, 2012

An Andorian?

60. claypool2011 - January 4, 2012

#7 Agreed. If Cruise gets anywhere near a Star Trek movie, I’m done with the franchise until it gets “rebooted” again.

61. EM - January 4, 2012

@ 1. Thorny – January 4, 2012

And again… so much for the “big name to draw in international audiences” idea.

This guy is a big name who will draw a lot of people who don’t give a rats ass about Trek. Oh, yeah….check out Sherlock. Probably the best shoe on television.

62. FlyingWok - January 4, 2012

Cumberbatch! He is excellent in Sherlock and I have since become a fan of his.

Peter Weller, Alice Eve, Benedict Cumberbatch, that’s a great “guest star” line up for Trek XII. Very excited about this.

63. SpencerJayK - January 4, 2012

Bob Orci chime in please!!!!!!!!!

64. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 4, 2012

“Probably the best shoe on television”. Yes, but does the shoe fit?…;)

I think we got to see the first series of Sherlock a couple of months back on TV, but I missed it. Two of my family caught the last two episodes and they seemed pretty impressed by it. Hopefully, I’ll be able to catch the new series…

65. Charles Pratt, Jr. - January 4, 2012

Awesome news! Finally!! More Star Trek on the way!! After all the thumb twiddling it seems like the sequel is finally “real” and on the horizon! Yay! I am not familiar with this actor but the praise he’s been getting from other commenters is very reassuring. Can’t wait!

66. Chuck - January 4, 2012

He looks like Trelane. Maybe one of those books Roberto Orci mentioned in his interview with this site (http://trekmovie.com/2007/10/04/interview-roberto-orci-on-why-he-is-a-trekkie/) was Q-Squared by Peter David? It kinda-sorta makes sense.

67. spockatatic - January 4, 2012

Benedict Cumberbatch is absolutely brilliant. I can’t believe we managed to snag him! Oh, now I am excited!!!

68. Phil - January 4, 2012

@28. No, but it confirms that Mr. Pegg was traveling of his own accord, and not because of a fast approaching shooting schedule. Mr. Cumberbatch would have flown out here for the read through on the still unfinished script….

69. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 4, 2012

#63 Bob Orci, I believe, is puffle hunting so he can’t chime in until he has fulfilled his duties as my daughter’s courier in order to get the right puffles to Pine and Quinto. Only 10 days away, Bob. When he has these four puffles in his hot manly (can I say that?) hands, he will join us here on trekmovie. com to regale us all about the great casting choices being made, as well as giving us a little hint as to plot/story of the Star Trek sequel movie and/or who the villain is that Cumberbatch is playing.

Won’t you, Bob? Good man!…:)

(You know, Bob, I did say that you could get an assistant to puffle hunt for you, but alas, you haven’t taken my wise advice and so now need to do it yourself…”I like this puffle hunting. It’s exciting!”)

70. Phil - January 4, 2012

Good lord, all this speculation on which existing character he will be shoehorned into, ignoring that the production team has said they were not going to do that…..

71. Phil - January 4, 2012

Okay, he also resembles Richard Hatch and Ted Cassiedy. Maybe a BSG/Adams Family crossover?

72. Basement Blogger - January 4, 2012

I think in War Horse, Benedict Cumberbatch is the British officer that gets captured after a disastrous cavalry charge against a machine guns. His IMDB head shot shows him to be older looking. I wonder if Sherlock is on BBC America. Anyway, are we sure he’s Khan?

Here’s the long trailer for War Horse where he tells the men “It is a honor to ride beside you. …. Be brave.” By the way it’s a great anti-war movie.


IMDB head shot and filmography

73. MJ - January 4, 2012

@68 “@28. No, but it confirms that Mr. Pegg was traveling of his own accord, and not because of a fast approaching shooting schedule. Mr. Cumberbatch would have flown out here for the read through on the still unfinished script….”

Phil, good for you for sticking with your story about the shooting being a ways away still. I’m not buying it though — I will be completely shocked if they are not filming by the last week of January.

74. Jack - January 4, 2012

28. Agreed.


75. Khan was Framed! - January 4, 2012

Seems like a damn good choice!

More details, please!

76. DC123 - January 4, 2012

Holy crap! I am SO excited!! I’m a die hard trek fan, but i’d go see this film just to see Benedict in it!! As someone said, Trek is lucky to have him!!!

77. Steve - January 4, 2012

Must there always be a “villain?” I recall Ebert’s critique of Trek 1 as being weak cause there was no “villain.” But of course as we all know, in retrospect, Trek 1 was the best of the lot… Trying to re-create Khan, as they tried to do in Trek 11, is never really gonna work…

78. Donald G - January 4, 2012

What if… Abrams and Company decided to remake STV: The Final Frontier and do it right? Couldn’t you just see Cumberbatch playing Zach Quinto’s estranged half-brother?

*steps back to await the fusillade of rotten tomatoes.*

79. Hat Rick - January 4, 2012

The villain? An Anglo-Saxon Khan, no doubt.


80. FarStrider - January 4, 2012

Absolutely fantastic news! And have you noticed that three of the most recent castings have been British? hmmmmmmm. . . so, can we put the Khan rumors to rest now???


81. Chingatchkook - January 4, 2012

Never heard of this guy…he doesn’t look like the villain type from the picture, although I know that doesn’t mean a thing. No doubt, he’ll do a great job.

82. cd - January 4, 2012


83. Vultan - January 4, 2012

Colonel Green… perhaps?

84. Lana Davis - January 4, 2012

Ok guys just remember that it is a new Timeline, that means New Adventures, I don’t think they are going with the story line about the Eugenics wars which by the way happened 100 years before the origional Kirk, spock, and the rest of the cast were born.

85. WhovianSherlockianTrekkie - January 4, 2012

So so so excited for this. Also the fact that Noel Clarke is going to be in this movie as well makes me pretty damn happy as well!

86. SpencerJayK - January 4, 2012

I can’t tell you how impressed I was with this guy in SHERLOCK. Really, really amazing. I’m sure he will make a GREAT villain. And I saw Alice Eve in a film called CROSSING OVER in which she was truly excellent.

Having said all that, I hope they line up some big name supporting actors/cameos. After years of wanting Trek to be an A-list franchise again, now that it is I would like them to take their popularity out for a spin.

87. Capt. of the U.S.S. Anduril - January 4, 2012

Funny, someone mentioned Lazarus. Slap that moustache on him…he looks just like him. O.o

88. morgram - January 4, 2012

It’s spelled LAZARUS.

89. Captain Karl - January 4, 2012

is it just me or does he look like a young Malcolm McDowell? Could he be a younger version of Dr. Soran? Naaaaaaw…although we all know that El-Aurian’s have quite a long life span.

90. NCM - January 4, 2012

@88: It’s not just you.

91. Harry Ballz - January 4, 2012

I love British actors!

Hey, if you can’t get Mark Strong as the villain, this guy should do just fine!

92. Captain Karl - January 4, 2012

AICN is speculating (although more than likely tongue in cheek) he could be playing Harry Mudd. But Harry Mudd really wasn’t a true villain…more of a comic relief bumbling guy who happened to break the law

93. Robogeek - January 4, 2012

This is magnificent, exhilarating news. Benedict Cumberbatch is a _genius_. Sherlock is one of the best shows on television, and his performance on stage in Danny Boyle’s production of Frankenstein for the National Theatre was absolutely breathtaking. (I just hope we get to see his audition as a DVD extra!) With him, Noel Clarke, Alice Eve, and Peter Weller, the “Supreme Court” has demonstrated remarkably exquisite, inspired taste in casting this go-round. Hats off to them! I am hugely excited by the possibilities for the film now.

94. Nano - January 4, 2012

Rule out Klingon maybe an evolved Tribble, because Cumberbatch isn’t exactly the broad physical specimen.

95. Driver - January 4, 2012

Romulan Commander.

96. Phil - January 4, 2012

I will not waste money on this if any character is called Harry Mudd…..

97. AJ - January 4, 2012

The AICN article indicates Abrams has taken a writing credit for this sucker alongside Bob, Alex K.. and Damon L..

Do tell?

98. Nano - January 4, 2012

@97 It took time to come up with THE END!

99. mascaw - January 4, 2012

Excellent casting my daughter and I love watching him as Sherlock. I was worried this was going to go the Khan route now it doesn’t seem so. Very pleased with this news,

100. Gary S. - January 4, 2012

yeah but if this is the same role Del Toro tried out for,
Seems unlikely .
My guess is Trelane or Garth of Izar .
I can see where they were trying to for movie version of Edward James Olmos with Del Toro as Garth.
Just theories.
I think we can rule out Gary Mitchell and The Talosians now.
But, you never know.

101. Viking - January 4, 2012

Lazarus, yes, Khan, NO. But I don’t quite view Lazarus as a ‘villain'; more of a tragic hero literally at war with himself. I could buy Weller as Gary Seven, though. There was a character who never realized his potential in Trek lore.

102. Nano - January 4, 2012

Dr. Soong

103. Nano - January 4, 2012

@ 101
Agreed Gary Seven character had a wonderful background.

104. CaptainDonovin - January 4, 2012

Never heard of this guy, will have to youtube him. Hmm, villain w/ an English accent, ohh I know, he’s playing a young Moff Tarkin!!

105. Nano - January 4, 2012

Man of Steel, Star Trek etc. Sweet, I feel like I’m in the midst of a second British invasion!

106. Peter Loader - January 4, 2012

There were another 30 leaders like Khan at the time… My guess is he’s one of them.

107. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 4, 2012

Yes. Good call, JJ and the Bad Robot team! Benedict Cumberbatch was also in the film Amazing Grace – great movie and sad as well. True story of how slavery got to be outlawed in Britain and the colonies. Cumberbatch played William Pitt. We’ve got that on DVD. Must watch again. He was also in Atonement, I see. My son had to do an essay for English on the book the movie was based. We also have that movie. Just sooo good.

Bob will have to come here to take a bow on behalf of JJ, Bad Robot and the Trek Casting team. It would appear that the casting team for this Star Trek has excelled themselves yet again.

Now it is a matter of JJ putting all this great cast, which of course, includes our wonderful main cast, through their paces bringing to life an amazing story and characterization.
And, if nothing else, please give my captain a little loving, even if it is a wistful, but lovely one night stand, visually and emotionally…

108. Paul - January 4, 2012

Wow. Guys, how about thinking OUTSIDE the box. Why is everyone thinking they are going to remake a TV episode instead of coming up with something different. They even said they were doing something new. How about coming up with some other speculation… your thinking is very linear.

109. Madeline - January 4, 2012

Funny enough, I just got finished watching Amazing Grace an hour ago. :)
Fantastic film, I recommend it to absolutely everyone.

I’ve been a fan of Benedict Cumberbatch for many years and have been absolutely thrilled with his recent work on the BBC’s Sherlock and in War Horse.

I have never been so floored by an announcement as this. I didn’t think I could be any more excited than I am now by this new film!! The writers have taken their time in creating what I’m sure will be a magnificent screenplay, and with Benedict on board I can’t imagine a better cast overall!

I desperately hope to see a panel for ST2 at San Diego Comic-Con this summer and can’t wait to hear more from JJ Abrams! :)

110. Buzz Cagney - January 4, 2012

Plenty of Brits on board. One thing is for sure, he isn’t going to be playing Khan!

111. Vultan - January 4, 2012


I certainly hope not, Buzz.
If so, he’s got a LOT of weightlifting and tanning to do.

112. Dr. Cheis - January 4, 2012

Call me crazy (go ahead, you wouldn’t be the first), but he and Del Toro both look a lot like Khan to me. Assuming they can get the accent right, of course.

113. Buzz Cagney - January 4, 2012

#96 would you settle on a compromise? Harry Earth or Harry Soil perhaps? ;-)

114. Ben - January 4, 2012

Benedict Cumberbatch = Q

115. Buzz Cagney - January 4, 2012

Seems 111 can see something there, Vults.
I’m pretty sure it’ll take more than 2 weeks of pumping iron to get those Khan-pecs. Unless Cumberbatch is normally seen in baggy clothes and is hiding it well. Somehow I think not.
I can’t see there being many fist fights in the new one somehow. Even this nu-Kirk, who couldn’t punch his way out a paper bag without getting his arse handed to him, could beat this fella up I would say.
Thats a great Americanism, ‘gets his arse handed to him’. You make the English language so colourful at time’s. lol

116. Vultan - January 4, 2012


Yep, American English—it’s almost a contradiction in terms. ;)

117. Vultan - January 5, 2012

I guess that would be a Yogi-ism.


118. Rick Sternbach - January 5, 2012

Well, they’re certainly going to have the teenage girl demographic. My daughter’s nuts about him in Sherlock. Personally, I think Sherlock’s terrific, and Cumberbatch should be a fine addition to the feature cast.

119. njdss4 - January 5, 2012

I’ve had Sherlock on my Netflix queue for a while, and now I have the perfect reason to bring it to the top of that list and dive right into it.

120. MJ - January 5, 2012

@107 “Yes. Good call, JJ and the Bad Robot team! Benedict Cumberbatch was also in the film Amazing Grace – great movie and sad as well. True story of how slavery got to be outlawed in Britain and the colonies. Cumberbatch played William Pitt. We’ve got that on DVD. Must watch again. He was also in Atonement, I see. My son had to do an essay for English on the book the movie was based. We also have that movie. Just sooo good.”

OMG, I did not make the connection of this actor to Amazing Grace — thanks Keachick for mentioning this/reminding me. That was a wonderful performance by him as William Pitt.

BTW, just noticed I can get season 1 of Sherlock on HD on iTunes for $10. I am going to check it out.

121. SpencerJayK - January 5, 2012

#118: are you THE Rick Sternbach? If you, BIG FAN!

122. izmunuti - January 5, 2012

As suggested in prior comments, I agree it would be terrific if the “villain” is Gary Seven. Maybe we could eventually enjoy the planned TV spin-off series that never happened…. although there were comic books.

123. Trekman_dave - January 5, 2012

This is great news a wonderful British actor again cast really can’t wait now to see what JJ and team can do with this

124. roy - January 5, 2012

A few years ago I thought Benedict Cumberbatch played William Pitt brillinantly in “Amazing Grace”.

125. BeatleJWOL - January 5, 2012

“Wow. Guys, how about thinking OUTSIDE the box. Why is everyone thinking they are going to remake a TV episode instead of coming up with something different. They even said they were doing something new. How about coming up with some other speculation…”

This is why I just laugh at some of the 2009 film haters and other such people that talk about wanting NEW Star Trek stories and how the fanbase doesn’t want to retread the old…

…clearly the fanbase DOES or these posts about casting and the new film wouldn’t be half-filled with people shouting out characters that were invented 40 years ago and wanting to see them on the big screen.

That said,


126. Pauln6 - January 5, 2012

I like both Clarke and Cumberbatch but it’s worrying that we’ve seen 3 actors touted so far but only one actress. Considering the already large imbalance in the sexes that exists in the Big 7, these announcements are doing nothing to inspire me that they have made any effort to improve the ratio in the sequel.

127. zzagg74 - January 5, 2012

trelane was like a pre q so maybe it is but i would like to see the gary mitchelle story or ballence of terror

128. Philip Dunlop - January 5, 2012

I have only seen snippets of Sherlock, as I wouldn’t be a big fan of Sherlock Holmes on the whole (nothing against the new production), but Cumberbatch looks like a PROPER actor. On the same level as Patrick Stewart kind of proper. Very exciting news. I heard great things about his roles in Danny Boyle’s stage adaptation of Frankenstein where he alternated the roles of the Doctor himself and the creature on alternate nights. So I think he’ll be able to bring a human element to any villain he plays. Which is always the making of a good villain.

129. somethoughts - January 5, 2012

Trelane or Talosian

130. somethoughts - January 5, 2012

We finally getting a Q movie!!??

131. Toothless Grishnar Cat - January 5, 2012

Remember, the fight sequences for NuKirk involved him going against SEVERAL academy cadets while he was drunk (who presumably have had some hand-to-hand training as part of a semi-military organization), an enraged Vulcan with many times the strength of a human, and Romulans (basically identical to Vulcans, physique-wise). So I’d have been surprised if Kirk did NOT have his arse handed to him in any of those fights.

132. Romulus - January 5, 2012

THANKS to Benicio Del Toro for walking away, he has done the movie a huge favor by making room for Mr Cumberbatch.

“snooty ” I thought that description died with the 1950’s lol

133. Adolescent Nightmare - January 5, 2012


134. captain_neill - January 5, 2012

I have to say my faith is slowly being restored with these casting choices.

Bendict Cumberpatch is a great choice and I have enjoyed his performance as Sherlock. He would make an excellent villain.

At least this puts to bed the Khan rumours.

Although JJ Abrams style is not my preferred vision of Trek I have to say I am looking forward to this film a lot.

135. Mark Lynch - January 5, 2012

Interesting casting news…

Please, no re-makes of episodes or films already done.

Some nods and homages are more than acceptable, but let’s have something really original (and dare I hope, thoughtful?), thanks.

136. its me - January 5, 2012

great! this is a very talented actor! respect for choosing him! star trek is a very “international” idea, so why not using international actors?

137. Simpleton - January 5, 2012

Alice Eve, Noel Clarke and now Benedict, Is there a role for s
Every british actor. Might have to dust off my threspian pants and have an audition… All joking aside another brilliant bit of casting

138. Captain_Paxo - January 5, 2012

As a Brit I’m very excited to see three British actors cast in the new film. Big fan of Simon Pegg, Noel Clarke and Benedict Cumberbatch. Most exciting.

139. Captain_Paxo - January 5, 2012

…sorry not forgetting Alice Eve! 4 Brits. Wow!

140. billyboy - January 5, 2012

Lazarus…Harry Mudd…Q…Khan…Gary Seven…Garth of Izar…?!

No offense, my fellow Star Trek fans, but I’m glad many of you thinking along these lines aren’t the ones writing the script. I would vastly prefer the film have an ORIGINAL plot and not rehash a TV episode. This latest casting news gives me some optimism that it does seem to be the direction they’re going in. Imagine if the older Trek movies were written by the people on these boards that constantly request the Borg and “KAHNNNNNNNNNN” for the next movie.

News headline: “Paramount hires Christopher Lloyd for Star Trek III”

“Dude, he’s GOTTA be Kor”
“No way, Kang”
“Klingons are too hard to do the big screen. Plus we could only use TV show Klingons since no one would accept a new Klingon character. I say they remake ‘The Apple’ on a $20 million budget with cool 80s special effects”
“Kirk talking another computer to death would be AWESOME!”
“Yes! I bet Lloyd plays Akuta!”
“No, he should be the voice of Vaal!”
“Well, they have to recast Spock since Leonard Nimoy killed off the characther last time. I can totally see Lloyd as Spock’s clone”
“Spock’s clone vs. Vaal! Man this movie is gonna be great!”

141. Crewman Darnell - January 5, 2012

137: Speaking of Alice Eve and Thespians… Check out Alice Eve’s picture: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1404408/.

Looking at her there, I’m struck by the uncanny resemblance to Kodos (The executioner’s) daughter Lenore. The hair, the smile and beautiful eyes that could easily appear batsh*t crazy. I highly doubt though that “Untitled Star Trek Sequel” will incorporate any characters from “The Conscience of the King” but it’s a fun idea.

142. Nano - January 5, 2012

@108 – O.K.

A humanoid race NOT Klingon but still a member of the Empire, seeks revenge against the Federation when the Pascale civilization was denied entrance. Pascale’s were eventually conquered and incorporated into Klingon Empire. The Pascale’s engineering skills provide the Klingon’s with tech advances such as Cloak and other wonders, in return the Pascale’s rise in prominence within the Klingon Empire, but the years of brutality provided them a deep hatred of the Federation and Star Fleet. General Harry Ballz was tapped to lead the crusade to annihilate Federation scum…

143. Spock/Uhura Fan - January 5, 2012

He would make a good Romulan.

144. Khan's Mullet - January 5, 2012

Not surprised he blew them away in his audition. He is definitely one to watch. Could be a brilliant piece of casting.

145. Randomosity - January 5, 2012



Any haters just don’t even know. I adore BC. He’s amazing. There are no words. I can’t. Just- THIS.

146. Captain Christopher - January 5, 2012

Once again, why does there have to be a “villain” ? This is Star Trek, not Batman.

147. Christopher Roberts - January 5, 2012

War-weary Romulan Commander.

148. CmdrR - January 5, 2012

Sorry, not Britishy enough for a Hollywood villain.

149. Bugs Nixon - January 5, 2012

Mwuahh haa haa!!! We’re coming to take over your franchise…

Wibbly wobbly timey wimey… the powers behind Doctor Who are gradually influencing Star Trek!

Soon, we will have Kirk in a bow tie and a blue Enterprise which is even bigger on the inside ;)

150. James - January 5, 2012

Could some of the folks on this thread read the address line. It’s Cumberbatch not ‘patch.

151. Devon - January 5, 2012

“Once again, why does there have to be a “villain” ?”

Because the story requires it.

“This is Star Trek, not Batman.”

Well, there goes about 90% all of Star Trek then. Hmm.

152. Sebi - January 5, 2012


Now if they would cast Victor Garber as Kor (he played a Klingon in ’09), it would be perfect!

153. Paul - January 5, 2012

Bad casting decision this guy has zero charisma my hopes for the movie just fell off a cliff………

154. Cervantes - January 5, 2012

Gotta say, my interest in the J.J.-‘verse’ just went up several steps from the bottom rung it was on previously!

I’m currently enjoying BC’s performance in the ongoing ‘Sherlock’ tv series, so this is very intriguing casting.

Even if he *does* end up as an ‘alternate-timeline’-style ‘Khan’ (which I’m against), at least he’ll be a decently watchable one. But having said that, perhaps were *not* getting that character after all…

While he would certainly make for a left-field ‘Khan’, but I can easily imagine him portraying *any* of the ‘Trelane’, ‘Garth of Izar’, ‘Gary Seven’, ‘Gary Mitchell’ characters with panache, if they happen to be used instead.

Personally, I think he’d also make a great otherworldly ‘Talosian’ if you stuck the ‘skull-cap’ make-up on him, as he’s got a great cold-eyed stare at times.

Whatever his role, this movie has just gotten a little classier.

155. Hat Rick - January 5, 2012

Mr. Cumberbatch looks like the actor who played Sarek in ST09.

The villain may be a Vulcan.

You read it here first, folks. (I haven’t read any of the other comments in this thread.)

156. Douglas - January 5, 2012

This is wonderful news. Cumberbatch brings total authenticity to every role I’ve seen him perform, much like Patrick Stewart. I’m quite encouraged now that the next Trek film is going in the right direction of quality.

157. Hat Rick - January 5, 2012

As I’ve always said, 156 (Douglas), Trek rules. It’s got this magical quality to it.

I’m a fan of other SF franchises too, but among all SF franchises, Trek is my favorite in large measure because of its quality.

Star Wars may be somewhat more popular, but Trek is the Rolls-Royce, Cadillac, and Porsche of all SF franchises, in my opinion.

158. joe1306 - January 5, 2012

Some Klingon, I hope. He got the right voice.

159. Cervantes - January 5, 2012

I also meant to say that he’d make for an equally good nu-‘Sybok’ too. He’s easily make for a convincingly ‘superior-acting’ half-brother to nu-‘Spock’ if they stick the ears on him!

160. killamarshtrek - January 5, 2012

I’ve just wet myself!

You guys need to watch Sherlock, BC is magnetic, he holds your attention, you can’t take your eyes off him. This is the most exiting casting news ever! Whoever the villain ends up being, I can promise you this, he will be charismatic!

@153. You’ve obviously never seen Sherlock!

So, Cumberbatch, Eve, Clarke & of course Simon Pegg, are we to assume that Starfleet Command has relocated to Britain then?

161. Daniel - January 5, 2012

I’ve never heard of him but he looks like he can easily play a very evil guy. Can’t wait to see it.

162. TrekMadeMeWonder - January 5, 2012

I’m telling you, he’s playin’ Lararus!


Casting seems right on. I hope the writers have penned a plot with many TOS enemies.

163. James Cannon Runcorn Trekkie UK - January 5, 2012

Nero’s son from yet another timeline, trying to correct HIS timeline where HIS father died and therefore restoring the timeline to the Prime timeline…

….. I think ….

164. Jai - January 5, 2012

Benedict Cumberbatch has a very good speaking voice. He’s done voiceovers for Jaguar commercials:


Cumberbatch will definitely sound like a suitably imposing villain if he talks like that in the sequel. Authoritative, very assertive, and subtly threatening.

165. VZX - January 5, 2012

That’s cool that his performance as Smaug will be mo-capped. After watching Rise of the Planet of the Apes, I was blown away with how real Caesar looked, and that was mostly due to Serkis. I think after hearing this news, I am even more excited for The Hobbit.

Oh, yeah, and that Star Track thing, too.

166. robdread - January 5, 2012

Cumberbatch is excellent in “Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy.” Of course, basically everyone in that movie’s good. Great casting.

167. Trekboi - January 5, 2012

So paramount cheaped out on a big name star?
Ok he can act but will he draw international audiences?
Not looking good Star Trek with no names behind it, the dark knight had ledger who does the star trek sequel have? Pasty English no name actor!
Oh joy.

Box office death awaits…

168. Captain Jean-Paul Picard - January 5, 2012

I do not think he is Khan. The nerd community and its expectations are the reason why films like this feel they have to be so secretive with information. I think that they did not want to do Khan yet because it would have been a rehash and one of the things that happened to the original franchise and Next Gen was that they were constantly rehashing the same themes because Star Trek 2 worked so well but it hurt them because that film was the standard. They were able to bypass it a few times. I appreciate the fact that they want to go in another direction and not become pigeon holed by continuity and Trek Lore. I cant imagine the pressure those guys have been under. Paramount wants an epic and the fans want all their little nerd dreams fulfilled. 2012 will be the year of mega blockbuster sequels. Paramount knows that and they are not going to put out a mediocre film. They have a lot more money to play.

I do not think Cumberbatch is someone we have seen before. I think they went in a new direction. There is a reason they put out the IDW comic series. The first movie set the foundation. This movie will explore at least I think the ramifications of the last one. Vulcan was wiped out and the balance of power shifted. With Vulcan gone many of the things in the original series can never happen. Orci and Kurtzman are smart. Paramount wants to make money. This is going to be a huge movie. Given Disneys Avengers and WBS Dark knight its going to be a huge and I will be there to see it.

169. CardassiaPrimera - January 5, 2012

Gary Mitchelllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll!!!!!!

170. Spockchick - January 5, 2012

With Mr Cumberbatch, you will get a nuanced villain, someone who has sympathetic undertone, IMHO. Eric Bana is a fine actor but I believe the prosthetic makeup hindered him (not his fault). I hope they don’t make that mistake again with a ‘forehead of the week’.

Cumberbatch looks quite alien, simply by shaving his evebrows and giving him weird contact lenses he could look incredibly striking. A bit like David Bowie in The Man Who Fell to Earth. This is a very good casting.

171. Do You Wanna Dance - January 5, 2012

Is it just me, or does he look like a young Dennis Quaid?

Never heard of the guy before, but that scene from Sherlock was damn good.

Looking forward to it even more.

172. John Pearse - January 5, 2012

Awesome news! Ok, a “British villain” seems a bit of an old fashioned trope, but he could be doing an accent for all we know. In any case, he’s a brilliant actor and I’m sure he’ll add a fantastic air of gravitas to the movie.

173. SirBroiler - January 5, 2012

Hmmm…he looks a little bit like Judson Earney Scott – who played Joachim in Wrath of Khan. Just sayin’….

174. Nony - January 5, 2012

Interesting! But I hope all these new characters aren’t huge roles (apart from the villain, obviously). I still want to see some good character development for our crew, and there’s only so much that can fit into 2 hours.

175. Trekman_Dave - January 5, 2012

@ 167. Trekboi “So paramount cheaped out on a big name star?
Ok he can act but will he draw international audiences?
Not looking good Star Trek with no names behind it, the dark knight had ledger who does the star trek sequel have? Pasty English no name actor!
Oh joy.”

Do you live in the UK, if so you would now that me is one of the most sort after actors in recent history, is going to feature in the Hobbit and now Star Trek has a wonderful acting career.

If not please look at a actor before “slagging them off” with little knowledge to back yourself up. Surely we should be all getting behind this great movement of focus and build up to a new trek !

176. new - January 5, 2012

Looks like it will become an intelligent rather than a physical villain. That would be great news!

177. El Chup - January 5, 2012

I believing more and more than the villian is going to be covered in make up if they can jump so easily from Benicio Del Toro to Cumberbatch.

178. jas_montreal - January 5, 2012

When i watch the sequel in 2013, all i will be thinking of Cumberbatch as is Sherlock. Its Captain Kirk going up against the genius Sherlock. lol

179. T'Cal - January 5, 2012

Shinzon! Yes!!

180. denny cranium - January 5, 2012

I hope he plays a human villain that tests Kirk and Co beyond their current capabilities.
Thats what was so great about Khan. Khan tested Kirk and vice versa.
Im excited for that kind of story in our next Trek

181. Ben Adams - January 5, 2012

#153 – I know quite a few female Sherlock and Trek fangirls who would disagree with you. Yes! Fans! Who are women! It’s scary, huh? Heh.

182. In JJ We Trust - January 5, 2012

This is fantastic news, Benedict is a well accomplished and brilliant actor.

If you don’t believe me watch the first season of Sherlock (3 feature length episodes) and Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy.

He is an amazing capture and an awesome talent. I don’t care who he plays I just know he is going to be brilliant.

Congrats Benedict and thanks to JJ and his crew, first class choice.

183. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - January 5, 2012

He won’t be playing Khan. I think Lord Garth would be a good bet. or maybe a new Villian all together.

184. SoonerDave - January 5, 2012

Hmmmm….great mystery leak of this particular casting choice. No clue what it means, but here are a few more guesses….

* Only British role I can recall from TOS was Lt. Kyle, the transporter chief, played by John Winston IIRC. The role was reprised briefly in TWOK as Commander Kyle on the Reliant.

* Trelane was a very interesting villain, much more interesting than TNG’s Q IMHO, but I’m not sure you can build a movie around him. That would be novel to Trek types, but as for bringing in the outsider….dunno about that. I suppose you could make him Q-like, but again, that’s very much an “in-house” move if the rest of the paying audience barely knows what Q was from TNG.

* I still contend you could have an arch-villain conspiring with Khan to help him escape Ceti Alpha 5, with the result of their conspiracy being the destruction of Ceti Alpha 6 as described in TWOK.

* Unless I’ve miscounted, we’re up to three British actors. Sure suggests a story with a tie back to Earth in general and England in particular. Surely not some rehash of Jack the Ripper is afoot….

I think the lack of role names is conspicuous. Interesting to see how it all unfolds.

185. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - January 5, 2012

One thing is certen. With Benedict Cumberbatch as a main player it will help the overseas market abd give Trek a much Bigger share at the boxoffice. Which is a good thing. I have not seen this guy act but from what I have read he is a top notch actor.

186. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - January 5, 2012

Hey. He could be playing Del Trame. AKA British Naval Dude from trekmovie who I and AJ and Harry Ballz asked Bob Orci to include his name into the movie.

187. Sebastian S. - January 5, 2012

That is the BEST news I’ve heard out of this production so far!
I’m a big fan of his, from “Hawking” to the marvelous BBC “Sherlock” (he is the BEST Holmes since the late Jeremy Brett, IMO). In fact, he and Martin Freeman (who, in “Sherlock” plays the best John Watson ever, IMO) are two reasons I have any curiosity at all to see “The Hobbit” (as I am in no way a fan of the Lord of the Rings movies). I’d say getting Cumberbatch instead of Benecio del Toro was a very fortunate trade-up. Sometimes movies seem to get better when they don’t get everything they want…..

And if BC is playing the big villain? Then I think it’s safe to assume he’s NOT playing Khan (thank goodness; I was getting worried we were in for a really big budget remake of the Khan saga). If Zachary Quinto didn’t already do so brilliant a job in ST09, I’d say Cumberbatch would’ve made a great Spock…

At any rate, Benedict Cumberbatch will be awesome in the new movie. Of that I have no worries.
Really GOOD news; that made my morning … ;-)

188. Desstruxion - January 5, 2012

I’m finally excited about the sequel. Good move ST movie dudes.

189. Desstruxion - January 5, 2012

167 – So paramount cheaped out on a big name star?
Ok he can act but will he draw international audiences?
Not looking good Star Trek with no names behind it, the dark knight had ledger who does the star trek sequel have? Pasty English no name actor!
Oh joy.
Where have you been? No name?

190. Commodore Adams - January 5, 2012

I have watched a few episodes of sherlock with my roommate, we both got into it, Cumberbatch is a great actor. To be honest at first I couldn’t get used to is face, such an odd facial structure. But he is a great actor and am very curious as to whom he will be portraying in the next Star Trek film.

@3. TrekMadeMeWonder – I doubt it will be but agreed, he looks like a perfect Lazarous

191. Martin - January 5, 2012

Who seriously watches a film because a particular actor is in it?!?

I prefer to see characters in films, not actors playing themselves.

192. Imrahil - January 5, 2012

Seriously–people haven’t heard of him? WTF? Do you guys just hate entertainment?

193. Phil - January 5, 2012

@191. I don’t know, I’d watch just about anything with Sean Connery in it……..

194. Basilicious - January 5, 2012

His father was the late Roundtree Cumberbatch!!!

195. Gabriel Bell - January 5, 2012

A predominantly positive Comment Thread on Trekmovie.com? Wow. (Faith in Trekkiedom looking up.)

196. Phil - January 5, 2012

@140. Spot on observation. The production team is not recreating an expanded eposide from TOS, nor are they going to try and take a guest role from one of these episodes and create a backstory around it. The audience does not give a rats a** about the backstory behind Mitchell, Trelene, Lazerus, etc…….

197. boborci - January 5, 2012

97 AJ

deadline got the writing credits wrong. They don’t love me and Alex there, so any chance to minimize us, they take. I was in the room when JJ sent them a correction, which they still have not made.

Me, alex, and Damon wrote it. That will be the credit.

198. The Sky's The Limit - January 5, 2012

This actor’s skills are as diverse as they come. A true chameleon. Kudos to the “Supreme Court” for going with such credible talent!

199. chrisfawkes.net - January 5, 2012

The second best captain is Star Trek was a brit, don’t forget that.

Plus you need a good brit or aussie to play the villain as American males are simply not intimidating enough. Aussies or Brits to make the threat seem larger than life.

200. NuFan - January 5, 2012

He looks like a geek. I hope it’s not a comedy. It’s too soon for a comedy.

201. Aurore - January 5, 2012

“Me, alex, and Damon wrote it. That will be the credit.”

Yeah, Toto. That’s right.
Set the record STRAIGHT!

Thus, I’ll know exactly who to minimize if the sequel ends up looking like……..”fan fiction”.


202. Trekker5 - January 5, 2012

#28,MJ,it does doesn’t? #197,Bob,you keep on Trekkin’,um..I mean writing!!:) You and Alex and Damon are awesome writers!!

203. Trekker5 - January 5, 2012

#201,Aurore,hi! :) Speaking of Trek fan fiction,have you ever written any?:)

204. Shat Hands - January 5, 2012

This is great news. He is a top actor.

Looking at him, he would also make a great Vulcan or Romulan!

205. Craiger - January 5, 2012

One way I could see a neat opening to the film if the Klingons are involved along with the Tribbles, have the opening scene show the carniverous Tribbles destroying the Klingon homeworld forcing them to flee and become those wandering nomads as described in the rumors. This makes them a menace to the Federation so they send in Kirk and the Enterprise to deal with the problem. Their Kirk and crew could run into Kor, Klang and Koloth.

206. AJ - January 5, 2012


boborci, Thanks for setting the record straight.

207. Aurore - January 5, 2012

“Speaking of Trek fan fiction,have you ever written any?:)”

Olivia, all kidding aside, I did not even know such a thing existed before 2009.

208. boborci - January 5, 2012

I would classify our movies as fan fiction!

209. dalek - January 5, 2012

Hi Bob is he playing a human or an alien? Surely you can give a tiny hint sir!

210. boborci - January 5, 2012

209 hmmmm…. Let me think about what my answer would give away before i answer.

211. dalek - January 5, 2012

Bob, anything you can give us will be appreciated. If you don’t want to narrow it down then perhaps you can give us an alternative tidbit about the character.

212. AJ - January 5, 2012

My favorite fan fiction was, in the late 1970s, undressing all the Mego action figures, and shoving them into the transporter together, along with the Hulk and Thor.

Poor Uhura. Her hair always needed combing afterwards.

in 2012, that would sell. I know it would.

213. Craiger - January 5, 2012

I guess the ultimate fan fiction for Trek fans would be for all the Trek Captains to meet and work with each other saving the Universe right? I think that would be cool. Kirk with the Enterprise, Picard with the Enterprise, Sisko with the Defiant, Janeway with Voyager and Archer with the NX-01.

214. Craiger - January 5, 2012

This book came close.


215. ensign joe - January 5, 2012

lol does genetically engineered human count as an alien ;)

216. MarkP - January 5, 2012

For the geekier among us, it’s worth noting that Benedict Cumberbatch is the son of actress Wanda Ventham, who played Virginia Lake in the old UFO TV series. A UFO-Trek connection is pretty cool.

217. Newman - January 5, 2012

No idea who this guy is. I guess I’ll just have to be open-minded.

218. ensign joe - January 5, 2012

or perhaps human or alien as he (or she) wishes?

219. Trek Nerd Central - January 5, 2012

I’m with everyone who’s thinking Q.

220. Bart - January 5, 2012

How original… a villain…sigh. Who will he be after this time? And of course he wants to destroy Earth, oh wait… he wants to destroy the universe!!

221. Trekker5 - January 5, 2012

#207,Aurore,well,you and me both!!:) But I do write some,short stories mostly,and mostlyat night;but I’ve written almost 60 of them since ’09.

222. tom - January 5, 2012

garth of izar anyone?

223. Romulus - January 5, 2012

dear boborci,
There has been criticism leveled by fans here on TVN that Mr Cumberbatch has no charisma and is not a big- name, I’ll ask the question that they are scared to.
Couldn’t you have gotten Will Farrell instead?

224. Captain Hackett - January 5, 2012

It seems to me that the Brit Trekkies/Trekkers are so excited by the choice of their fellow English for major role of unnamed villian.

How come I never heard of the new Sherlock Holmes series on TV until now although I have been a huge fan of the old 1980s series. :’/ So I shall start watching the first season of new series soon.

From what I am reading your comments about Benedict Cumberbatch, he seems to be so talented and impressive to me.

225. Admiral Kent - January 5, 2012

This is good…Now have him play Holmes on the big screen too, so we can get away from Ritchie’s Van Helsing meets Pirates of the Caribbean overblown efforts.

226. Basement Blogger - January 5, 2012

@ 200, 220

In War Horse, he plays a major and gives a rousing speech before a disatrous cavalry charge. No geekiness there.

I know there is some Khanfusion as to who is the main antagonist. Just remember that the Supreme Court has said they want to go deeper. They’ve used Dark Knight as an example of going deeper. Plus if you look at Orci-Kurtzman-Abrams’ Fringe, you’ll find a show with rich characters. I mean they could have easily made the parallel universe an evil one but the alternate characters are ones that I like.

We’ll just have to wait and see where this movie takes us. And what a long wait. 2013. The anticipation is going to kill us.

227. Shannon Nutt - January 5, 2012

They traded in Del Toro for a MUCH better actor…that can’t be anything but good news for this movie.

228. ScruffyBeardedTellarite - January 5, 2012

I just really hope that he’s not playing Khan. I want them to do someone else.. maybe Trelane! Or an older Charlie X?

229. Decker - January 5, 2012

“Help me, Kirk…”
— Abraham Lincoln

230. steve - January 5, 2012

This guy does NOT look like someone who’d be cast to play Khan. Which to me is GREAT news. No Khan, or any other retreads, in the new Trek!

231. Aurore - January 5, 2012

“I would classify our movies as fan fiction!”

Oh. Here. We. Go.
….Someone is looking for troublllllllllllllllllle….Again.

Make “it” good, gentlemen!!!


232. Decker - January 5, 2012

Cumberbund would indeed make a good Lazarus.
Or Charlie X.

233. Matt - January 5, 2012


Agreed. I have a real time reconciling him as Khan.

We are told to believe Cumberbatch is inheriting the role once meant for Del Toro. That was allegedly Khan. Then another latino actor was considered and we assumed that was confirmation. Now, yet more sources tell us that a Cumberbatch audition has won the day. One could scarcely imagine a less latino looking actor than Cumberbatch, so what are we to make of it all now? Have Bad Robot been playing the long Khan? Were Latino Review hoodwinked? Maybe Khan was never on the table. A case for Sherlock, and the game’s afoot.

234. SciFiGuy - January 5, 2012

Joaquin!!! Khan’s “son”/ sidekick from Wrath of Khan!!

235. GraniteTrek - January 5, 2012

WOW! Not that I have anything to do with this but I suggested Benedict on this site sometime in the past. He’s a brilliant actor. Anyone who says otherwise hasn’t seen him in anything. I can’t wait for this movie!

236. GraniteTrek - January 5, 2012

And he’s not just voicing Smaug in “The Hobbit” movies, but The Necromancer of Dol Guldur (a/k/a Sauron) as well.

237. the Quickening - January 5, 2012

He seems too boyish and wimpy for my taste, but all the best.

238. SciFiGuy - January 5, 2012

C’mon guys — he looks EXACTLY like Judson Scott who played Joaquin in TWOK!!! Go look…you’ll see what I mean! Hmmmm…ok, now who is playing Khan?

239. stephenh - January 5, 2012

Benedict Cumberbatch Noel Clarke AND Simon Pegg ??

Almost a shame there wasn’t a role for Matt Smith, David Tennant or Christopher Eccelston !!

240. dalek - January 5, 2012

It says he will be playing “the villain” not a villain, so that rules out sidekick or henchman, unless the reports are worded inaccurately.

241. Vultan - January 5, 2012

Cumberbatch has actually played an iconic villain before:


Kidding, of course. But he does make me think of a grown-up Scut Farkus.

242. Captain Rickover - January 5, 2012

Great! One of the best joices for a villain. I just hope they’ll use his skills better, as they did with Eric Bana’s.

243. AJ - January 5, 2012

And Sir Ian McKellan as Gandalf?

Gandalf: “How would you like to go on a five-year adventure?”

Kirk: “How about you leave the Bridge right now, and I don’t call the cops?”

244. Harry Ballz - January 5, 2012

Apparently studio reps in Hollywood describe Benedict Cumberbatch as “insanely talented”.

Hey, with a name like that, he’s GOT to be good. Can you imagine a manufacturer selling a car and calling it the RustBucket??

245. Aurore - January 5, 2012

“But I do write some,short stories mostly,and mostlyat night;but I’ve written almost 60 of them since ‘09.”

I can understand being inspired by Star Trek : The Future Begins.

I do not write fan fiction, but, was, personally, delighted to have Kirk and Spock (etc…) back, as it were.

I hope “the powers that be” take really good care of them…

246. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 5, 2012

Re #142 -The Pascale civilization – any relations of yours, Anthony, by any chance?…:)

#208 Thank you, Bob Orci (if you know what I mean). All fan fiction requires the talents of someone like yourself to turn it into something that is watchable, interesting, entertaining.

Before seeing this thread, I did not know the name Benedict Cumberbatch. However, someone posted a link to his IMDb Homepage and there I saw what he had done, like being a major character in Amazing Grace. The performances of everyone in that movie were tremendous, as was the film, on many levels.

It is often after seeing a great movie, where you may not know who many (or any) of the actors are, that you look to see who played a certain character and start looking out for that name again. Most actors, I would think, try to maintain a certain level of competency and no doubt try to improve on it, by playing more varied roles to gain more experience and knowledge. This is what Tom Hardy has done by playing in his first rom-com action movie, This Means War, alongside Chris Pine. Apparently, Hardy had not done comedy before this movie. The trailers, I personally think, look great. Can’t wait to see the movie – roll on 16 February!

247. Kirk, James T. - January 5, 2012

It’s a smart choice, he wont be Khan but he’s a very good actor and will play a villain pretty well but I agree that Star Trek needs a big name actor if it’s going to compete with other summer blockbuster films on an international stage but as a UK Trek fan, I like the way JJ Abrams does his stuff and I couldn’t be happier with that rising A-lister doing Trek.

248. Hugh Hoyland - January 5, 2012

I’ve only watched bits and pieces of Sherlock Holmes. I Always seem to catch it at the end of the episode.

The last one being about Dragons attacking a castle.

249. VZX - January 5, 2012

223: Will Farrel? Are you serious? I hope that’s a joke.

250. BeatleJWOL - January 5, 2012


“I would classify our movies as fan fiction!”


251. Harry Ballz - January 5, 2012

Whoa, it just hit me! The next movie will be a full-blown epic version of “Arena”!

Kirk and crew will battle the Gorn on a jungle-like planet (Hawaii), with Cumberbatch portraying the Metron who orchestrates the fight.


252. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 5, 2012

Gosh, give the whole Khan thing a rest. I never saw Benecio Del Toro playing Khan, but a TOS Klingon like Kang – Yes, definitely! The same went for the other two actors, Molla and Ramirez, who were being considered for the part of the Star Trek TOS series villain, who is now being played by Benedict Cumberbatch.

I find it harder to imagine Cumberbatch playing a Klingon, but possible I guess. I suspect he will be a Romulan – can see that. It’s amazing what a pair of pointy ears will do. Just ask Leonard or Zach!

Speaking of pointy ears and shaved eyebrows – Is Zachary Quinto (and possibly Benedict C?) getting the once over in this respect yet, Bob? Pics please!

Since you are here now, Bob Orci, I am assuming that you have the Pine/Kirk and Quinto/Spock puffle thing sorted – you know, squeaky door and all that.
Good man.

253. MONGO - January 5, 2012

Mongo know who Sherlock play in movie. He be villain so Mongo think he Doomsday Machine.

254. Phil - January 5, 2012

@208. Really? Using that logic is the fry cook at McDonalds Gordan Ramsey? The kid tagging the 405 Di Vinci? I met the stage manager of the El Capitan at a wedding about a year ago. His abilities far eclipse what I do with our little band of volunteer performers. He’s a professional, I’m not. New Voyages is fan fiction, your efforts are professional – there is a noticable difference.

255. Buzz Cagney - January 5, 2012

#155 maybe Spock could have a long lost brother. Oh, hang on a minute…..!

Those Yogisms are funny Vults but I sincerely meant what I said. I love American use of English. I have heard that is actually a more pure, original use of the language than in the UK. I can’t remember where I read that but found this on a quick Google..


256. Buzz Cagney - January 5, 2012

#251 very good, Harry. And much as i’d enjoy that I don’t think its gona happen somehow.

257. Buzz Cagney - January 5, 2012

#210 that reminds me of a Maternity Unit I heard about recently who said they no longer had a policy of informing the parents of a childs gender after a scan. One smart guy got around this when told the new policy said ‘ok, can you tell me if its a girl’? …. ‘no sir’….’thanks’!!!

258. Starbase Britain - January 5, 2012

This bloke is proving very popular here in the UK with the latest series of Sherlock. Its off beat and quirky.

Why is it that Brits are always cast as the bad guys in US movies? we’re really nice…Honest!! LOL

United Kingdom

259. TrekMadeMeWonder - January 5, 2012

88. morgram – January 4, 2012
It’s spelled LAZARUS.

Thanks, Morgram. I saw that too.

260. Adolescent Nightmare - January 5, 2012

I don’t know who Bernice Cucumberpatch is but they have always been perfect with the casting.

261. Jay - January 5, 2012

I think it is so funny that people keep speculating that the villain will be anyone we already know from past Trek episodes.

Also, how can anyone question the international appeal of an international TV/Movie star? The whole point of casting these British actors is to draw a bigger overseas audience. Seems they have done that. I expect the English audience, and the European audience in general, will probably be double what it was for 2009 Trek.

262. Admiral Kent - January 5, 2012

*cough*Young Gen. Chang*cough*

263. flake - January 5, 2012


Guess I have to start watching Sherlock now!

264. VZX - January 5, 2012

Wait, why doesn’t Deadline “love” Bob or Alex? Jealousy? Envy? Pity?

265. SirBroiler - January 5, 2012

The photo of Cumberbatch at http://www.ewonline.com looks even more like Joachim/Judson Earney Scott – a striking resemblance.


I really hope we don’t delve into characters that have crazy cosmic powers – this new Trek has more realism to it and the idea of a character like Q or Trelane in thee movies would blow it for me. Entertaining characters – but I don’t think they fit here.

Energy or thought transference (mind melds) are one thing – making something out of nothing with just your thoughts is a whole different ball of wax entirely.

I’m in the minority – hoping we see Khan.

266. Aurore - January 5, 2012

“Wait, why doesn’t Deadline “love” Bob or Alex? Jealousy? Envy? Pity?


What truly matters is what *** I **** think of their work.
You’ll have my ruthless verdict in 2013.

Watch out for my review.

267. Craiger - January 5, 2012

He wont be Joachim because Variety says he is the main villian. Also We still don’t know if Khan and his people are in the sequel.

268. Aurore - January 5, 2012

“Watch out for my review.”

….Mmmm…’Don’t think so.



269. Garak - January 5, 2012

Come on, Mr. Bob Orci. The shots are already starting and it’s time for a spoiler about Mr. Cumberbatch

270. dmduncan - January 5, 2012

210. boborci – January 5, 2012

209 hmmmm…. Let me think about what my answer would give away before i answer.


Nothing definite. But if you say he’s human, suspicion tends back toward some kind of Space Seed extract.

271. Vultan - January 5, 2012


I don’t know about more pure, Buzz, but I did see an interesting show on the History Channel recently about the southern United States’ infamous hick accent (which I have!) being descended from southern plantation owners and other aristocratic types trying to copy the King’s English.

Well, eventually the king morphed into… the King:



272. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 5, 2012

Movies open on Friday in the US. Movies open in NZ and Australia on a Thursday. Star Trek 09 opened in cinemas on Friday, 8 May 2009, but it opened here on 7 May.

I fully expect this sequel to open here on 16 May (Thursday), more than 24 hours ahead of you guys….Hehehehe. I have already been asked not to give anything away about the movie as in “No spoilers”. I don’t know – it’s gonna be hard…:) Just thought I would tell you that.

273. Jefferies Tuber - January 5, 2012

This would seem to support a Khan diagnosis. Montalban was wearing plenty of bronzer to portray an Indian, and a to-the-manor-born London actor could probably blow a room away with an ‘Oxford-educted Indian’ accent and imperiousness. He also looks genetically engineered.

Also, when you look him dead-on, he looks like the wide-eyed nurse in ST09. ;

274. P Technobabble - January 5, 2012

I’ve seen a lot about Khans and Mitchells and Trelanes and Klingons, etc…
Has anyone mentioned Kirk’s greatest, most annoying antagonist, Finnegan? Maybe he’s the villain in the film…

nyuk, nyuk, surely I jest…

anyone mention Charlie X?
how about Karidian?
Ben Finney?
Apollo? (complete with little skirt)
I could go on, but rather than looking at “stand-out” villains from the past, how about some of the obscure ones?
And if I’m a day late, and all of these antagonists have been mentioned, I apologize…

275. Jefferies Tuber - January 5, 2012

But I originally predicted that Benicio pointed to a Klingon more than anything else. I also like the ‘young Gorkon’ notion above, because it’s a good reminder that in ST09’s edited scenes, they used [rather bad] British stage accents for the Klingons under the helmets–more like TOS Klingons than the post-Christopher Lloyd Klingons. So maybe a Klingon. That’s probably a better career turn for a British stage actor than the risk of replacing Montalban.

276. Dilithium doublebock - January 5, 2012

#216, love the UFO connection. That show blew me away as a kid. Set way in the future in the year 1980. Purple hair moon woman and nehru jackets. Love it!!!

277. kayste - January 5, 2012

You’re all missing it.

Cumberbatch would make a *wonderful* young Picard.

278. MJ - January 5, 2012

@277. That is impossible. If Kirk is only in his mid-20’s in the new movie, then Picard could not have been born yet.

279. Daoud - January 5, 2012

@Bob: Thought about what you could say that wouldn’t give a lot away, and all you got is nothin’, right? It’s okay… guessin’ is fun. :)

@267: Joaquin or Joachim are very possible… or any other genetic superman. He can be the one who says: “Don’t open up the Sikh-looking guy, he’s a pain in the arse.” Plus, it was all Marla McGivers’ fault: she knew who Khan was all along wethinks… historian as she was and all that… why she might have studied history under a Dr. Soong.

@262: Chang? No, Cumberbatch is more akin to David Warner, not Chris Plummer. How about a young Captain Gorkon? A worthy adversary, not the mustache-twirling villain.

I give my worthless guarantee of a bag of Doritos, that Damon, Alex and Bob will NOT be giving us a mustache-twirling Boris Badenov type villain, but a true antagonist. The Commander in _Balance of Terror_ type antagonist. Which is where my thoughts are today, since Bob long ago mentioned that episode as a favorite.

@273: Montalban’s accent was well-educated Mexican, portraying an Indian subcontinent Sikh. Rich Corinthian leather. ((I think that’s the circle-completeness in Faran Tahir (of Pakistan, the Indian subcontinent) playing a Cuban-Spanish named Captain Robau….

280. Trekker5 - January 5, 2012

#266,Aurore,I can already tell you that my reveiw will be me either freakin’ out about awesome is,or me freakin’ out about bad it is. Either way,I’ll be freakin’ out. :)

281. Jefferies Tuber - January 5, 2012

279 lol. Whatever it was, he spun it into gold. But Khan himself is a genetically engineered Indian, surrounded by Europeans for the most part. So a British accent.

Still no Chinese people in the JJverse.

282. Jefferies Tuber - January 5, 2012

Vultan – What’s the name of the doc? MOTHER TONGUE is a book that explains the same history.

283. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 5, 2012

“SPOCK was just seen on the SONY LOT in full ears on a treadmill. Probably camera tests…” This was put on the Untitled Star Trek Sequel IMDb message board an hour ago. Where are the Trekmovie pictures? PLEASE!

284. MJ - January 5, 2012

@283 ““SPOCK was just seen on the SONY LOT in full ears on a treadmill. Probably camera tests…”

Phil, are you still saying filming is not imminent?

285. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 5, 2012

It’s all a bit confusing. Does Sony own some of what was the Paramount lot? It’s hard to miss Spock – I mean, those ears – the ones that got caught in a rice picker…:)

286. RedShirt 51 - January 5, 2012

I would have been interested in seeing Benedict cast as the new Spock, not that I have any qualms about Zachary Quinto. The only question I would have had would have been about the reaction of North American viewers to their most beloved ST:TOS character having a British accent all of a sudden…

Cumberbatch is a very strong character actor…everyone should make an effort to see some of his work.

As for the new story, how about the villain being a Vulcan that’s hell-bent on revenge for the destruction of Vulcan and the loss of several billion lives? ST5: TFF, Sybok (elder brother of Spock), love it or hate it.

Oh wait, hmmm, another pointed-ear, emotion-ravaged, self-proclaimed demigod, with illusions of mass destruction……probably too soon….

287. Danny Mahon - January 5, 2012

Ok, another villian from the home counties! I just hope he isn’t cliche’d to death with a cockney, or cut – glass english accent. Please, no cliche’s – original characterisation only please!!!!

288. Buzz Cagney - January 5, 2012

#273 isn’t that considered more than just a little racist these days?
Its why you never hear this any more ..


Personally it doesn’t bother me to hear someone doing an Indian accent but i’m white and English so i’m no longer allowed an opinion on such things.

289. Chingatchkook - January 5, 2012

“A source tells TrekMovie that Cumberbatch “blew them all away” with his audition. ”

That is the kind of thing that I would love to see as an extra on the future DVD of the movie. It would be very cool to watch.

290. Buzz Cagney - January 5, 2012

#271 That won’t play for me, Vults. Copyright restrictions! Which seems odd because Channel4 is a UK Channel. Unless you chap’s have a Channel4 too?

291. Vultan - January 5, 2012


Ah, no worries, Buzz. It was just a collection of Elvis impressions on “Who’s Line is it Anyway?” Hence my “King” reference.

Copyright can be such a conversation killer at times.

292. Craiger - January 5, 2012

Here is a scene with him from Warhorse.


293. cpelc - January 5, 2012

283, 284

IMDB is less than credible most of the time. BTW they have some guy named Tom Archdeacon listed as portraying “Ensign Spyke”

294. Vultan - January 5, 2012


By the way, I found Memphis Belle on youtube last night—the whole movie!

295. SirBroiler - January 5, 2012


Actually the Variety headline reads “Cumberbatch to play villain in ‘Star Trek 2′”

The article says, “…Brit thesp Benedict Cumberbatch has been tapped to play the villain in J.J. Abrams’ “Star Trek 2.”

I don’t see the words “main villain” mentioned anywhere.

296. Craiger - January 5, 2012

Did a search for him on YouTube found that clip in my #292 post. I also found this interview with him



297. Anthony Thompson - January 5, 2012

TrekMovie states that the sequel starts filming in two weeks. But Phil says no. Phil also tells us that there is no script (last we heard, Bob was working on the third draft). Folks, let’s put aside all the facts (casting news, Bob’s comments and the travels of the cast to LA). We need to support Phil. He’s a fellow Trekkie and he needs our help. So let us all “admit” that there is no script (maybe not even a story) and that filming is NOT imminent. Phil, you continue to “tell it like it is”! We’ll follow you wherever you lead us.

298. Craiger - January 5, 2012

#297 How do we know Phil is an insider? We don’t know who Phil is.

299. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 5, 2012

#293 – I think that IMDb try to get the most up to date and correct information that they can find. I quoted from a message board, so that could be just bs. I hope not. Since Simon Pegg is “at work” – and talking about pads and luminosity in his tweet, it is more than likely Zachary Quinto is also becoming the young Spock.

Now where is the fine Pine man, I wonder? Of course, there is not much that needs to happen in terms of make up, etc like pointy ears unless…:)… He just needs to turn up looking his awesomely lovely well toned self…If the hair colour we have been seeing in pictures like the ones from the Captains Documentary is his natural colour, then no colouring, tinting etc is needed. It is lovely as it is and suits James Kirk.

Tom Archdeacon

300. Anthony Thompson - January 5, 2012

298. Craiger

Read it again. I was being sarcastic.

301. Platitude - January 5, 2012

Cumberbatch is awesome. Very exciting news. ’nuff said.

302. Phil - January 5, 2012

Um, so why would Paramount be using a competitors studio, when they have perfectly good facilities of their own? I’m guessing someone out there has a theory they think is plausible……

303. Dee - lvs moon' surface - January 5, 2012

OMG … I live my life for a moment… and things heat up in the Trek world … I like this ship… Trek sequel will be very cool… and I keep following the tracks of Simon and Damon… even if they do not get me anywhere … LOL …

:-) :-)

304. Bob Tompkins - January 5, 2012

A role that both Benecio Del Toro and Cumberbatch could play? I can’t buy this guy as a very threatening villain.

305. boborci - January 5, 2012

I just want to know how aicn figured out who he was playing.

306. Gary A. Neumann - January 5, 2012

#305 WHAT?????

307. Craiger - January 5, 2012

#300 Sorry I don’t sarcasm sometimes.

308. Wes - January 5, 2012

@306. I think Mr. Orci is having a bit of a go at us. Unless Mr. Cumberbatch really is playing Harry Mudd?

That would be…interesting. I’d watch it.

309. Gary A. Neumann - January 5, 2012

It was a joke, I surely doubt that

310. Phil - January 5, 2012

@305. Lucky guess. Even the woest bowler throws a strike on occasion…

311. Craiger - January 5, 2012

Harry Mudd boring villian if it is him. Not sure I would see the sequel if it is him. Klingons are more exciting, even the Gorn is exciting. Trek could be done for me if its Mudd. Never liked the Mudd’s Women episode.

312. Montreal_Paul - January 5, 2012

A better question is….. Is Greg Grunberg going to be in the sequel as another character other than the voice of Kirk’s step-father? Come on JJ, you have to give him a red-shirt part! ;)

313. Craiger - January 5, 2012

After reading the Aintitcool article that sounds like that is who they want to be the villian.

314. Craiger - January 5, 2012

Or if instead of Harry Mudd its Cryrono Jones and the sequel is based on The Trouble with Tribbles. Kirk would cross paths with Koloth and Cumberpatch is Koloth.

315. Craiger - January 5, 2012

Sorry I meant Cumberbatch.

316. Thorny - January 5, 2012

I really don’t mind Harry Mudd being in a movie, as long as he is a secondary role (for comic relief, I’d say) but Mr. Cumberbatch is about as far removed from Roger C. Carmel as one can get. Presumably, Mr. Orci is just yanking our collective chain.

I think two things are now extremely likely to be true:

1. This movie is about characters never before seen in Trek (no Khan, Kor, etc.)

2. Paramount has ponied up a decidedly low budget for this movie. This guest cast just SCREAMS “low-budget.”

317. Phil - January 5, 2012

Harry Mudd? Trek’s very own version of Jar Jar Binks? I could live with him in the movie only if he dies in a transporter accident trying to retrive Admiral Archers dog during the opening credits…..

318. Jeff - January 5, 2012

This is a great addition to the movie. Cumberbatch is an excellent up and coming actor. I’ve seen him in the Sherlock BBC series and he has an unusual charisma. He can easily play a wicked villain.

319. Thorny - January 5, 2012

Phil… Harry was essentially a pimp in “Mudd’s Women”. No Jar Jar Binks was he.

320. CarlG - January 5, 2012

I really have to watch Sherlock, I’ve heard nothing but praise for it anywhere. I have to see how Benedict Cumberbatch compares to the late great Jeremy Brett.

By the way, isn’t his name just the most awesomely British thing to say out loud? :)

321. Red Dead Ryan - January 5, 2012

If the villain is Harry Mudd, then I’m a monkey’s uncle!

I still think its going to be Khan. I’m sticking with that prediction until the villain is revealed.

322. Craiger - January 5, 2012

Actually Aintitcool did say the name of the villian hasn’t been said yet and after that they said Harry Mudd like that was who they were suggesting should be the villian.

323. Dee - lvs moon' surface - January 5, 2012

#299. Keachick…

Looks like someone said on Twitter that ZQ was in the Sony Pictures Athletic Club … is all I heard… Why he was there?…….????????………:-) :-)

324. CarlG - January 5, 2012

Just looked up some Sherlock clips online… holy crap, this is going to be AWESOME.

325. dmduncan - January 5, 2012

Harry Mudd for president.

326. dmduncan - January 5, 2012

Mudd / Jones 2012!

327. CarlG - January 5, 2012

@325 / 326: Have Quark as campaign manager and I’m down!

328. Harry Ballz - January 5, 2012

I would encourage everyone here to go on youtube and watch any number of clips featuring Mr. Cumberbatch. I am thrilled he has been cast in the next movie. What a superb actor.

As compared to the Spanish actors being considered. You know the type…..in every role they play it with furtive expressions, dour looks, always looking pissed off about something, affected behaviour, spit in the gutter renegade types. Going for a certain mannered style because they have NO talent. Pure garbage.

I’ll take TALENT over style any day of the week.

As Pike said at the end of the last movie, “I am relieved!”

329. VZX - January 5, 2012

305: So, Hercules on AICN said he was playing Harry Mudd….is this what you are saying? Harry Mudd?

Wow. Umm. WTF?

330. The British Are Coming.. :) - January 5, 2012

Interesting casting for the villain. One thing I must say about casting a Brit in a movie is that it elevates it a notch. Looking forward to some great dramatic flair and hopefully, some very good and memorable lines. While its always nice to have an A-list guest star, budgetary considerations are always preventing you from paying for top talent.

So far we know about the movie is that there is some corporate/company involvement in it. There’s one..so far confirmed..bad guy. I had thought that in the 23rd century, the pursuit of money had been a thing of the past. So, why is there a corporation angle in Star Trek 2?

One thing that made Star Trek great is the contemporaneous references even though the show is in the future. Perhaps the corporate angle may be social commentary about corporate responsibility? Ala..present day Exxon and the Gulf Oil Spill? 23rd century company and some kind of futuristic contamination of say, a planet or even star system and having this company cover it up..

I miss Jerry Goldsmith’s Star Trek fanfare music. Not that the current composer is bad, its just that his musical theme is hardly rousing or memorable.
At least there could have been more usage of the Alexander Courage theme other then the end credits from the last film.

One part of the music that does not work for me is the Spock theme. I can understand the attempt for going with an alien theme but why does it have to be played with Asian instruments? When I first heard Spock’s theme, I was expecting a Geisha to come out and start dancing to the music. Bad, bad idea. Please redo the music, Michael. :)

331. dmduncan - January 5, 2012

329. VZX – January 5, 2012

Okay, well let’s think about this for a second, before anyone blows a gasket about him playing Harry Mudd.

Cumberbatch is playing the same role that Benicio Del Toro was first offered, and then Edgar Ramirez.

No way Del Toro and Ramirez were being offered the part of Mudd.

If neither of those two gentlemen would be cast as Harry Mudd, and Cumberbatch is now in the same role for which they were previously considered, then neither will Cumberbatch be cast as Harry Mudd.

332. dmduncan - January 5, 2012

Actually, I shouldn’t say Ramirez was offered the part. We know he was considered. Don’t know more than that.

333. Buzz Cagney - January 5, 2012

#294 Nice one. I’m sure you enjoyed it all over again, Vults.
Such a wonderful movie. I wonder how they are allowed to just give it away on YouTube. Doesn’t seem right does it.

334. Admiral_Bumblebee - January 6, 2012

Trelane! And will be relevealed that Trelane is one of the Q!

335. scififan - January 6, 2012

Cumberbatch is a great actor. Maybe too good for this film franchise.

336. scififan - January 6, 2012

Check out all his work on http://www.youtube.com/user/romangirl88 Virtually all hsi work is on there and some great interviews. He’s a wonderful mimic and good fun. He is outsanding as Stephen Hawking and as Van Gogh. http://www.youtube.com/user/romangirl88#g/c/EA965C87917E037B

337. Cervantes - January 6, 2012

Nobody’s too good for a WELL-WRITTEN ‘Star Trek’ storyline…

Let’s hope this is one of those.

338. VZX - January 6, 2012

331. dmduncan – January 5, 2012

That makes sense. Either of those actors wouldn’t fit the role of Mudd. Not that I don’t like Harry Mudd, I just don’t see how this guy could play him. Then what did Bob Orci mean about AICN getting the villain correct?

339. dmduncan - January 6, 2012

338. VZX – January 6, 2012

Bob was joking!

340. Phil - January 6, 2012

Hey…where’s JJ?

341. Vultan - January 6, 2012


Oh, it’s completely wrong.
But I still enjoy it. ;)

342. VZX - January 6, 2012


Oh, I’m an idiot…

343. MJ - January 6, 2012

@!297 “TrekMovie states that the sequel starts filming in two weeks. But Phil says no. Phil also tells us that there is no script (last we heard, Bob was working on the third draft). Folks, let’s put aside all the facts (casting news, Bob’s comments and the travels of the cast to LA). We need to support Phil. He’s a fellow Trekkie and he needs our help. So let us all “admit” that there is no script (maybe not even a story) and that filming is NOT imminent. Phil, you continue to “tell it like it is”! We’ll follow you wherever you lead us.”

Phil is usually right on the mark in his posts. I think this time though, he a victim of all the misinformation and supposed progress reports from The Supreme Court over the past 2 years. Phil, and all of us, have been continuously given hope only to have it take away by the the Supreme Court regarding progress on the new movie. So, I really can’t blame Phil for not believing that the movie production start is imminent, despite evidence to the contrary.

Maybe I am a sucker, but I do believe the evidence does support an imminent start on filming — at least by the end of this month.

344. Daoud - January 6, 2012

Might recall from the original script for Mudd’s Women, that Mudd was a much darker character, and not exactly comic relief as seen in I, Mudd. Further note, “Harry Mudd” was likely a pseudonym, who’s sure if he really was “Harcourt Fenton Mudd” or not. He first presented himself under yet another pseudonym, and was dealing in the illegal Venus drugs.
I could totally see K/O&L pulling a fast one and having a new antagonist who’s using Harry Mudd’s name as a distraction. So, if Cumberbatch is the original “Leo Francis Walsh”, and in this universe he prevailed over Mudd…. there you go.

345. Red Dead Ryan - January 6, 2012

I can’t understand for the life of me why so many folks want to see Harry Mudd in the sequel. The character was obnoxious, and the episodes he was in were incredibly boring!

346. Thorny - January 6, 2012

345… A cameo would be okay. Mudd was supposed to be the character McCoy meets in the bar in Star Trek III, but Roger C. Carmel was in too poor health to take the job, and the character was changed to the backward-speaking alien.

347. Anthony Pascale - January 6, 2012

The Pascale Civilization?

I like it.

348. Phil - January 6, 2012

@343. Nothing would thrill me more then for filming to start on the 15th (a Sunday?), but considering that so much of pre-production involved that pesky script being 90% locked down, what we all do know whould suggest filming starting mid to late first quarter, maybe early 2nd. This is still a leisurely schedule, considering the time frame Abrams completed Trek09 in….

349. Easter Lily - January 6, 2012

Great news for the franchise, if true.
Cumberbatch blows me away every time I see him onscreen.

350. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 6, 2012

The 15th is the beginning of new week and some people do work on a Sunday, but not on a Saturday…

351. Hugh Hoyland - January 6, 2012

331 dmduncan

Ah okay, thanks for that info. He IS playing the same role that was offered to Del Torro.

Looking at the video above I can see why they asked him to do the voice of Smaug as well. Good pipes.

Makes me think Space Seed for some reason ;]

352. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 6, 2012

Please correct me if I am wrong…
I thought that once a movie started filming which meant everyone (actors and all the production team) had to be on set, doing the movie became a 24/7 affair with groups working in shifts. Those involved in constructing sets then taking them apart, erecting new ones, replacing coats of paint etc would be doing some of this while the actors were perhaps rehearsing and/or resting/sleeping and vice versa. That would help limit the number of hold ups while one group hangs around for the other group to finish…

I am not sure how many national public holidays the US has. I know one of them is definitely July 4th, when everyone is supposed to stop work etc, except essential services like hospitals. I assume it would be on that day and other days that the studio would stop any work going on or more likely would schedule work to have been finished before those national holidays.

353. Phil - January 6, 2012

Labor contracts are probably going to govern the length of the workday, so the studio is going to do what it can to control those costs with the hourly folks whenever the overtime rules kick in. We did some projects with Warner Brothers for the Tim Burton Batman movies – it gave us an opportunity to learn how they operated. Movies are shot out of sequence, so the sets tend to be set up once, torn down and they are done.
A friend of mine builds sets for Warner Brothers – I’ll ask him the next time I see him, and report back. He’s in the industry, so I’ll defer to his knowledge.

354. VZX - January 6, 2012

345: You didn’t like I, Mudd? Whatevs, I thought it was pretty funny.

I don’t want to see Harry Mudd in it, but it would be cool as a cameo.

355. Vultan - January 6, 2012

Yeah, “I, Mudd” was pretty good. One of the better comedy episodes.

356. dmduncan - January 6, 2012

LOVED I, Mudd!

357. Red Dead Ryan - January 6, 2012

I prefer Harry Ballz. :-)


You worked with Tim Burton on the “Batman” movies? That’s so cool!

What did you do? Did you ever get to meet the actors?

358. Phil - January 6, 2012

@357. Sorry if I left you with that impression – we provided engineering and structural products for the sets. Did the floors for stately Wayne Manor, and the dome that was in Riddler’s hide out. Never met the actors or production crew, but got a real good look at the design work that went into the sets. Those crews are miracle workers…..

359. Phil - January 6, 2012

Well, it looks like Mr. Cumberbatch is in London this weekend for the Warhorse premier. Got it off an AP story….

360. Phil - January 6, 2012

Chris Pine’s This Means War premiers on Feb 17. I’m assuming he will be making the promotional rounds as well. The trailers have looked good so far….

361. Phil - January 6, 2012

More news….
Nazneen Contractor (24) has been cast in the upcoming sequel to J.J. Abrams’ 2009 Star Trek reboot. The actress has been tapped to play the wife of Noel Clarke’s character in the film.

She’s cute, too. Maybe Keachick will get her healthy sex scene afterall….

362. Red Dead Ryan - January 6, 2012


Nazneen Contractor?? Never seen “24” so I don’t know who she is.

At first glance, I thought it was the name of the company you worked for.


363. Terry Wylis - January 6, 2012


a) For any of you who think Benedict Cumberbatch is anything less than the best thing that could happen to this film or any film (and in the UK, he IS A-list famous. Hell, he’s A-plus right now), you haven’t seen him. HAVE NOT SEEN HIM. Go to YouTube right now and find out exactly the talent you’re trashing. He is not only brilliant. At only 35, he is a master actor. You will not see Sherlock in every role. You will see the character in full, freaking, bloody Hi-Def Technicolor. Don’t take my word for it. Go LOOK.

b) I’ve been a Trekkie (no, not Trekker — I’m not that obsessed) for well over 20 years now, and I had absolutely no interest in the new incarnation. I’ve been through all four of the others (TNG, DS9, VYGR and ENT), and the step back to before TOS just didn’t click. But now, I’m going to go watch it. First, because I’ve heard it actually WAS good. And second, because I want to get caught up for this new one. Benedict will be a STUNNING villain — For those of us lucky enough to have already seen the new season of Sherlock, we know (and I’m not giving away spoilers with this) that pure rage is not an emotion Benedict will have ANY problem with.

And c) Quit worrying about the identity of the villain (and as Variety said THE villain, that certainly infers there’s only one). It’s the curse of the Evil Masters of Authorship to keep you guessing — all designed to incite migraines anyway. Simply rest assured that the character will be in VERY CAPABLE HANDS.

364. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 6, 2012

I know that Reese Witherspoon will start doing promotional work for This Means War shortly, but I’m not sure what Chris Pine or Tom Hardy will be doing. It will be hard to do Star Trek and a promotional tour at the same time. I would rather Chris be able to concentrate on being “my captain” with any distractions.

I guess that depends on the kind of contract he has with 20th Century Fox and what his schedule for Star Trek is. Had Star Trek not been delayed, it is possible that Chris could still be in similar situation as initially it was planned that he would be doing the Jack Ryan movie now and also on location outside the USA. Hmmm…

365. T D McKinney - January 6, 2012

Benedict Cumberbatch is a brilliant actor. To those who fear he can’t be scary or appear physically intimidating, find a way to watch the SHERLOCK episode “A Scandal in Belgravia.” (If you’re clever, you can manage it from the U.S.) Shirtless Benedict is all whipcord muscle and alabaster skin, as his legions of female fans are more than happy to tell you. Oh yes, Mr. Cumberbatch brings not only a dedicated Sherlock Holmes following but a even more dedicated base of self-styled “Cumberbitches” who follow his every move. You see, in the UK (and for those in the know in the U.S), he’s not just an A-list actor, he’s sex symbol. Casting him was definitely a very smart move.

366. dmduncan - January 6, 2012

Yup. Looks like Nazneen is in.

She’s b-b-beautiful!

367. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 6, 2012

Yes, I could get that “healthy sex scene” after all, but I was really hoping that it was ti be Kirk and ? who would getting the healthy sex. When will
Captain Kirk ever get and give some good loving? He’s not a monk nor a slut. Kirk’s basically decent humanity has been crapped on for too long. Enough.

Come on, Bob Orci and co. – Be nice to James Kirk!…

368. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 6, 2012

“Cumberbitches”? So does that make him a “dirty dog”?

369. Terry Wylis - January 6, 2012

*rolls eyes at Keachick*

You should see him when someone brings it up in an interview – the poor man blushes anytime he or someone else says it. But I don’t think anyone has ever had a more fiercely protective group of fans. And he’s a doll about it.

370. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 7, 2012

#369 *rolls eyes at Terry Wylis* It was a little joke.

We have a bitch – loveliest animal ever. I believe that Chris Pine has been known to blush when someone brings up the word “pinenut”…:)

371. china - January 7, 2012

Benedict Cumberbatch, who will have to beam his way from London to Los Angeles, and then on to Wellington, New Zealand — and back to LA again — when he stars as the number one villain in Star Trek 2.
Cumberbatch will travel to LA next week after attending the War Horse royal gala on Sunday. The movie is turning into a big hit for Steven Spielberg and is bound to be Oscar nominated.
By the way, I understand it was Spielberg who recommended Cumberbatch to his colleague JJ Abrams, who will direct Star Trek 2. Cumberbatch, one of the best actors of his generation, has been given special dispensation to shoot Star Trek 2 while he’s contracted to the Hobbit film, which is shooting in NZ.
He will travel backwards and forwards over the next few months, working for a few days at a time on each project.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2082896/Tom-Hardy-Al-Capone-Studying-make-great-film-shot-shot.html#ixzz1im0hZlvI

372. Phil - January 7, 2012

@363. Hopefully he’s not killed off at the end of the movie.

373. Terry Wylis - January 7, 2012

#370 – LOL, Keachick. It really is cute, though. I believe it’s a Jonathan Ross interview that is available on YT.

@ 372 – Do you mean in “Sherlock”? I think they’ll make it LOOK like they’ve killed him off, which is exactly what Sir Arthur Conan Dole did in the original canon story “The Final Problem.” But I don’t see the brilliant co-creators of this landmark series leaving themselves NO door for a possibility of a Series 3, esp since Benedict AND Martin Freeman have both hinted they’d like nothing better than to do more “Sherlock.”

LOL, can’t you just see Martin Freeman in a red Engineering shirt giving some poor ensign (or Kirk himself) absolute hell for “mucking about with my engines!” ? He wouldn’t even need the Scottish brogue.

374. Phil - January 7, 2012

@373. Trek has a long history of killing off it’s movie villans. Might be nice to see BC live past the closing credits….

@364. Generally the rule of thumb is that your stars do the promotional work – if they duck it it’s seen that the movie might be a bit of a stinker.

375. Terry Wylis - January 7, 2012

@374. Ah, yes. I see where you’re going now. Yeah, the Federation always wins. (just took awhile with the Borg). I fear the franchise mentality might win out again, but it’ll be a glorious ride while it lasts.

376. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 7, 2012

#374 – I don’t think it will be a question of whether Chris wants to promote TMW but whether he can, given that he is playing the main character in Star Trek. Can the Bad Robot team afford to let him go? Or perhaps, this and also what has been mentioned about Benedict Cumberbatch schedule (with Ben(?) having to come here at times to voice Smaug…) is why Simon Pegg noted that he would be away doing Star Trek for six months.

#371 – Good kiwi bloke is our Sir Peter Jackson. That’s us kiwis, always trying to accommodate and aim to please…;)

377. Phil - January 7, 2012

@375. Even with the Borg, by the time of the end of Treks TV run they were being repelled fairly easily. Considering that just about every Trek movie is basically the same story (except for TMP and STV), apparently it’s real easy for pissed off individuals to steal starships, or command access to vast resources that allow individuals to get really destructive, really fast……maybe a story arc isn’t such a bad idea, after all?

378. Phil - January 7, 2012

@376. Their agents will sit down and figure it out. When there are gaps in their shooting schedules the actors will be out and about, staying busy…the system isn’t that rigid.

379. Steven M Poisson - January 7, 2012

Terrific actor.

380. Treklife - January 7, 2012

I am curious why some people on this site keep insisting that the script for the movie is not done. We have been told that the script is in fact done, this was stated WEEKS ago, before Alice Eve was cast, and the statement came directly from the big guys. Besides which, as Bob Orci said some time back, they had to hand in the script to get a budget for the movie. Since filming starts in a matter of days I would say that it is quite apparent that everything is ready to go, script included.

BTW- Not only is Cumberbach portraying both Smaug and the Necromancer in the Hobbit but his Sherlock co-star is playing Bilbo Baggins, the central character.

381. Phil - January 7, 2012

Actually, I think I’m the only one. From what has been made public, the only thing that apparent is the movie will be made, and soon. Hey, if I’m wrong, I’m wrong…..

382. Mel - January 7, 2012

I don’t understand, why some people think, that he will attract more international viewers. I don’t think he is a big star outside of the UK/Ireland and the box office of those two countries weren’t a problem of the last movie. The last Star Trek movie made overall 128 million outside of the USA and 35 million of those came from the UK.

They need to cast someone, which attract people in non English speaking countries. Star Trek made 306 million in the USA/Canada/UK/Australia. The rest of the world only contributed 80 million to the box office.

383. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - January 7, 2012

A lot of this talk reminds me of the uncertainty in the US about Patrick Stewart being cast in TNG.

This movie already has a healthy following thanks to the success of ST2009. I would have liked Del Toro but a solid, lesser-known (for now) actor is just fine by me.

All that matters is that the villain not be a cardboard-cutout.

384. DS9 IN PRIME TIME - January 7, 2012


All I h ave to say is pander to us!!!!


385. Thorny - January 7, 2012

363… I haven’t and can’t speak as to the acting talents of Mr. Cumberbatch. I’ve never heard of the guy (if that makes me a clueless fool in your eyes, then so be it.) And when there was so much talk two years ago about bringing in a “big name” to draw in international audiences this time around, a Brit TV star isn’t exactly what I was expecting. Let’s face facts, Trek 2013 has gone from worldwide star and Oscar winner Benicio Del Toro to the latest in a long, long list of actors who have played Sherlock Holmes. I hope Mr. Cumberbatch does a great job in this role, but will he get the butts in seats in Germany, Italy, or South Korea? I doubt that very much.

386. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 8, 2012

I think it will depend on how good the trailer(s) are and whether Benedict Cumberbatch does a knock ’em dead scene stealer in one of the trailers. It would not have to be very long – just a sentence delivered the right way with the right look… The other thing is these guest actors should not outshine the two main leads Pine/KIRK and Quinto/SPOCK. To me, they are the *stars* of this Star Trek movie.

I suspect that Benedict Cumberbatch and the other British actors will go down quite well in Europe, possibly better than Benecio Del Toro, who might be seen as just another average American actor. Being an Oscar winner is no guarantee. Hate to say it, but I suspect that English actors per se have a better reputation generally for being able to pull a great performance out of their hats, irrespective of whether they are well known or not. It could be because there is less discrimination when it comes to what is considered a good medium to work in. Actors in Britain can more easily move between live theatre work, television and film/movie work.

The comments I have read made on other sites about the fact that Chris Pine and Zachary Quinto have both done live theatre performances have been less than complimentary, not because their theatre work was bad, but simply because it is considered that those trying to become A-list actors or whatever shouldn’t “stoop” to do theatre because both the remuneration and general exposure are less. I doubt this kind of comment would be that common in Britain, quite the opposite in fact.

387. helen - January 8, 2012

Regarding Cumberbatch’s international appeal I think you’ll find Cumberbatch’s Sherlock was one of Germany and France’s top rated shows last year. At a screening of his new series in the UK people even came from Moscow for the chance to see him. Just look on Tumblr at how popular he is. He’s going to be huge and Abrams is lucky to get him. Mark my words he’ll be Marvels’ Ant man or Dr Strange next.

388. helen - January 8, 2012

PS – Del Torro isnt regarded as a world wide draw as the box office for wolfman testifies to.

389. Orly - January 8, 2012

You tube is full of Cumberbatch footage e.g as Stephen Hawking http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=pMQ710S36i4#t=652s

390. Blah - January 8, 2012

Like it or not Cumberbatch is the it boy right now. He is on the verge of being globally known. I think he will bring in the audiences from Europe for whom the star trek series has no nostalgic meaning and he also has a fierce fangirl following.

I’m actually worried about him being in the movie because the last villain was given rubbish material to work with. For the sake of the movie and Cumberbatch I have my fingers crossed that the villain is far more compelling then the last effort.

391. Thorny - January 8, 2012

388… Well, then again “Wolfman” sucked. You gotta give the guy something to work with.

390… I’m worried about that as well. Mr. Bana is a good actor (see “Munich”), but he was given little to do but chew scenery and his character was paper thin. Nero: “I’m going to blow up Vulcan”. “Why?” “Because Spock didn’t single-handedly save my people from a supernova and I’m gonna make him watch.” Why his crew didn’t quietly put him down, especially when he wanted to go blow up every other Federation planet too (they were a mining crew afterall, not a warship, somebody must have thought “gee, Nero’s completely lost it, let’s spike his Romulan Ale and you take over”) I’ll never understand. Only in Hollywood, I guess.

So it may really not matter how good an actor Mr. Cumberbatch is (see also Del Toro in “Wolfman”). In which case, Bad Robot would have been better off choosing someone more famous.

392. VZX - January 8, 2012

390: No, I’m glad that the villain Nero was in it as much as he was. The only purpose he served, beyond being the antagonist, was to supply the means of getting the crew together in an exciting way. But I do see that this next one will have more focus on the villain.

Lindelof has stated several times that they are following the mold of Nolan’s Batman films and the original Star Wars movies as a sort of template for a great follow-up sequel. In both of those series, the first movies were about the hero journey (Joseph Campbell style) while the second developed the villain as a strong threat. Abrams Trek seems to be emulating this style.

393. VZX - January 8, 2012

391: Yeah, the motivation of Nero seemed weak. Why didn’t the crew of the Narada mutiny? They were crazy. Simple enough. Plot hole? Nah.

394. Limey and proud - January 8, 2012

@ #8, oh it’s probably not that #1 thinks Benedict Cumberbatch isn’t a good enough actor, more that he’s English. Americans are always falling over themselves to express dismay at a “Limey” getting the job. I think he’s labouring under the illusion that “big name actor” and “American” are one and the same.Perhaps the culturally retard American chap doesn’t even know who he is.

Excellent casting choice IMO.

395. Limey and proud - January 8, 2012

… and #33 just proves my point.

Note to Americans:There’s this big huge thing on your doorstep… it’s called ‘The Rest of the World’. I know you like to pretend your popular culture is the be all and end all of entertainment, heck, you even call a sporting event ‘The World Series’… even though no one but an American would be caught dead playing the damn ‘sport’. But you really need to wake up to some of the delights the world has to offer. I myself quite like Japanese films… yes, that’s right… those things with subtitles. Now please chill the f*ck out, and take it from me that Benedict Cumberbatch is a damn fine actor, and will do this film, sorry, “movie” proud.

By the way, we’re not really “snooty”… we just talk properly and like to pronounce all the letters. We also make the best villains. Be happy!

396. Edymnion - January 9, 2012

Huh, the headshots make him look more like the next Doctor than the next Khan…

397. Edymnion - January 9, 2012

Oh, and for the record. I’m 30 years old and have *NEVER* heard an American use the word “Limey” before. Every single time I have ever heard it used was by a British person saying thats what we call them.

398. Limey and proud - January 9, 2012

LOL… don’t mind me, I’m just shit stirring and being a little defensive. I know most Americans are cool and don’t say “Limey”. I just get a little miffed sometimes as I always see comments such as #33 when a few Brits are cast in a American film. I remember someone arguing it was the reason Alien 3 was not as good as the rest, “all the f*cking limeys ruined it”, like that was the reason and not the hack job by the writer and director. Really annoyed me. Often annoys me how we only get villain parts, too. Like a few casting directors lost a great great great great grandpops in the war of independence or something and they’re carrying around a little hatred, or thinking that we all go around scheming to take over the world. Seen so many articles asking why the villain’s always British. Although like I say, we do a good villain.

399. Spock/Uhura Fan - January 10, 2012


Mr. Limey & Proud,

Don’t take this the wrong way, but I joke with the few British friends that I have that English people (or Brits in general) don’t speak English because you all don’t pronounce “all the letters.” And they give me plenty of grief (in good fun) over Americans. :-)

My favorite is the disappearing and reappearing ‘R’ in your speech. You all tend to drop the ‘r’ from the end of words that have it, like saying “cah” insatead of “car.” Then, that missing ‘r’ tends to magically reappear at the end of a word that doesn’t end with an ‘r’, like saying “We visited Americar, and…”. :-)

Again, no offense intended, and you seem like the sort who can take a little joking. ;-)

400. Phil - January 10, 2012

@395. What’s your beef with Baseball? Can’t be any worse to watch then 90 minutes of running laps, oops, football, now, can it? Besides, the Japanese, Cuba, Canadians, some Chinese, and a chunk of Central and South America play the game…not bad for dead people, I guess.

Seems like a lot of people here are just fine with the casting – don’t be so quick to jusdge the whole lot of us based on the rants of a few malcontents….

401. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 10, 2012

#400 Phil – Who are the dead people?

I don’t know if any other countries play baseball except the USA. If nobody else plays the game other than the US, then it is hardly a World Series game. Why call it that?

I agree. It appears that a lot of people are happy with the casting so far. In fact, some seem to be “over the moon” about the selection, especially with the casting of Benedict Cumberbatch.

402. Phil - January 10, 2012

@401. The comment I replied too was “even though no one but an American would be caught dead playing the damn ’sport’….hence, dead people. Yes, other countries play, but there is no global governing body like FIFA is for football. The game has been played since the late 1800’s, and an unsubstaniated rumor has the World Series being named after a NY based newspaper. Regardless, the name stuck, and there really isn’t any reason to change it. If you want to split hairs, Toronto won it twice……

403. RAY - January 10, 2012

As Data would say ” The GAME IS AFOOT!!” If you have not seen the Sherlock Holmes series track it down and watch you will enjoy.

FYI Sherlock is produced by Steven “Dr. Who” Moffat

Hey some of you guys above need to take a chill pill and go watch Sherlock jezzzz get a life already ……………..

404. wesley - January 16, 2012

@398 the reason is that there are no “English” americans, after die hard, and die hard two the “german” american comunity wrote letters in droves the studios complaing about the portrail of the german people.

The same with many other “insert country here” american comunitys, how ever the “enlglish” americans dont give a crap, as do the English people, we can see its just a film and dont care.

So they allways use English bad guys for actors as they know we wont complain as we are grown ups, and americans dont like playing bad guys as they dont like playing / being see to be lossers.

405. Phil K - January 31, 2012

“Thorny” – So your idea is to have what kind of “big name” ? Brad Pitt ? George Clooney ? (We all know what a mess HE made of his “Batman” – seems the director wants talent rather than a name who can’t act to save their life.
Refreshing change.

406. Phil K - January 31, 2012

Edyminion – ever pass through your mind that the pics are of the actor playing a part completely different to Kahn may just a teensy weensy bit off putting to the more dumb amongst us, incapable as they are of anything approaching imagination ?
No bloody wonder the American superhero characters are almost all British, these days ……

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