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EXCLUSIVE: Michael Dorn On (Almost) Part In Star Trek Sequel + Plans To Pitch Capt. Worf TV Movie + More May 26, 2012

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Celebrity,Interview,Star Trek Into Darkness,TNG , trackback

Next Generation/Deep Space Nine-star Michael Dorn has logged more hours in Star Trek than any other actor, and in an exclusive Phoenix Comicon interview with TrekMovie, he reveals that he wants more. Dorn plans to pitch a Worf TV movie and he has also started a production company to make other (non Trek) movies targeted at Trek fans. He also dropped the bombshell that he almost got a part in JJ Abrams Star Trek sequel All the exclusive details below.


Exclusive: Michael Dorn on his Worf movie pitch/ Star Trek sequel almost casting + new movie project

At Phoenix Comicon I had a chance to talk to Star Trek: The Next Generation’s (and Deep Space Nine’s) Michael Dorn about a couple of his upcoming Star Trek-related projects and about his (almost) casting in JJ Abrams 2013 Star Trek movie.

TrekMovie.com: so, is it true you got a call from the casting people for JJ Abrams recent sequel?

Michael Dorn: Yep. I don’t know what the role was. They called in November or December of last year and said "hey, we would like to know if Michael is interested in playing a part of an officer – a soldier." And we said "yes." Then time went by and we finally talked to them at maybe the end of January or February and they said they had changed their mind and that’s as far as it went?

TrekMovie.com: Do you know why? Was it that they didn’t want to mix the old with the new?

Michael Dorn: That’s what they said, but who knows really. If you know the business as well as I do, who knows? It could have been the casting people going "hey this would be a good idea and they shot it up the road to JJ and he said ‘no, we aren’t going to do that.’" But I don’t know. It is nothing nefarious. Nothing mean. They changed their mind, so I don’t worry about it.

Michael Dorn as Colonel Worf (ancestor to his TNG Worf) in Star Trek VI (1991) – he almost also got in to 2013’s Star Trek sequel  

TrekMovie.com: Changing subjects to your current focus, what can you tell me about this romantic comedy that you wrote?

Michael Dorn: It’s called "Through the Fire," and its about two successful urban black characters in New York who find each other after many many years. And they find love after denying that they need love after many years. I will be play opposite Anne Marie Johnson – if you look her up on IMDB, she’s been around for years on shows like Melrose Place, JAG, In The Heat of the Night, House of Payne and other shows. She is seasoned, beautiful, wonderful actress.

TrekMovie.com: Who are some of the costars who will be joining you?

Michael Dorn: Marina Sirits plays my best friend in the movie, who is my best friend in real life. Armin Shimerman who plays an actor, his wife plays another actor in a scene on stage which everyone says is one of the funniest things they have ever read. Nana Visitor has a wonderful part. Bob Pine, father of Chris Pine, is in there too – that is all we have for now, because we wanted to populate it with enough characters but not overpopulate it, so its not like "oh its like all these people, but in street clothes."

TrekMovie.com: So you have started your own production company and you are going to use Kickstarter for this?

Michael Dorn: Yes. We got a movie that we have a lot of interest in. Most of the roadblocks were that they didn’t think that our fans were numerous enough or loyal enough to support a movie. So we are going up on Kickstarter in a couple in two weeks. It is sort of our way of answering the question of – will the fans do this? If it is true, then I think we can have a cottage industry of small movies that are targeted towards the Star Trek fans. The thing is that this movie is not a science fiction movie, but if it gets picked up our next movie and the one after that are going to be science fiction. And what we are going to do this first movie ["Through the Fire"], we will have the fans vote about what they want to see in the next movie.

Michael Dorn at Phoenix Comicon 2012 – plans to launch Kickstarter campaign to generate interest in new production company for films targeting Trek fans

TrekMovie.com: So in your panel you mentioned the idea of pitching the a lower budget Star Trek movie with Worf? Is that serious?

Michael Dorn: I am serious. I think there is a place for it. Straight to DVD or straight to cable. Who wouldn’t want to have this kind of thing going on? It is going to help their movie. The fans aren’t going "we are going to see this movie, but we aren’t going to go see the big movie in the theater."

TrekMovie.com: Do you have a writer lined up?

Michael Dorn: I think I am going to write it.

TrekMovie.com: So where do you see Worf now?

Michael Dorn: He is captain of a ship – a Federation ship. He is out there in the front lines basically chasing terrorists.

TrekMovie.com: So you want to make it edgier? Darker?

Michael Dorn: Totally, totally. I think we will have some of our Star Trek people in it, but mostly new characters. It will be interwoven into the fabric of Star Trek. And also what we going through right now?

TrekMovie.com: When do you think you are going to have your first meeting at CBS?

Michael Dorn: I have couple meetings I want to do before that. First with Rick Berman, who produced all of our shows, just to see what he thinks. Then my manager. And I know people at SyFy. And I’ll just start gathering information. If anything happens it is going to be next year because I have a bunch of stuff to do this year. I have already started writing the script and excuse my language, but it f—ing great."

Michael Dorn as Worf commanding the USS Defiant (Star Trek: First Contact – 1996) – plans to pitch Captain Worf TV movie



1. Tim Struble - May 26, 2012

sounds very interesting. Hope it goes through and oh yeah first!!!

2. Dac - May 26, 2012

Well, Worf certainly had the longevity to carry on from TNG to DS9, and when written well he’s a solid character. Having him as Captain of a federation ship doing something dark and gritty compared to the traditional starfleet mission would be where I and many others would think Worf would be most at home. I’m certainly excited for it to be made, although, realistically we all know the chances are slim.

3. Maximus - May 26, 2012

More Power to you Dorn! I hope you have continued success in this, especially a Worf movie! I miss the TNG era

4. Christopher Roberts - May 26, 2012

Everybody has a pitch for a Star Trek project these days!

It should be in animation, if you ask me… and criss-cross all the series.

5. captain_neill - May 26, 2012

Shame jj vetoed having dorn in his movie. this new worf idea sounds awesome.

6. Dilithium_doublebock - May 26, 2012

Bring it on!
I’d love to see a worf movie. It’s a great character. I just hope there would be some scifi in their scifi movie and just a shoot em up.

7. Bucky - May 26, 2012

Instead of the ship’s councilor sitting beside him on the bridge, Worf should have a bat’leth.

8. Anthony Pascale - May 26, 2012

Dorn doesn’t know why the ST2013 talk didn’t continue. Things like that happen all the time. Dominic Keating auditioned for the role of the uncle in Star Trek 2009 (part got cut anyway).

9. Neumann - May 26, 2012

“Worf on Terror.” And if it’s successful, you could do “Worf on Golf.”

10. Christopher Roberts - May 26, 2012

If Bad Robot called Scott Bakula for ST2, I’d hope he’d say YES no matter what it is.

11. NCM - May 26, 2012

Hot, Dorn! Will have to read the article later, but Mr. Worf, unadorned, is looking really good!

12. Christopher Roberts - May 26, 2012

Thinking about it, Dorn would be sounded out for a Klingon wouldn’t he?

Like Star Trek: Enterprise had a Duras ancestor. Star Trek VI, Worf’s grandfather, again Michael.

13. Jimbro - May 26, 2012

Wow, I have always thought that Star Trek is perfect for made-for-TV movies. The episodes themselves are already mini-movies in themselves, and the two parters are almost always amazing…

Worf chasing terrorists sounds like it could be amazing, assuming it’s got some deeper levels to ponder and not just “Chase the evil terrorists, America wooo!” And I doubt it would be that.

14. LJ - May 26, 2012

Shame that they didn’t pursue Dorn for the 2013 movie. It would have been great to have seen him as Colonel Worf, for example, again. I’ve said before, but for me Worf is the most important character in the whole Star Trek universe, alongside Spock. Both of them a fish-out-of-water, both of them rising to accept their human qualities (obviously Spock by birth, Worf by adoption), both becoming diplomats and influencing greatly the politics of the Alpha and Beta Quadrants. Spock laid the groundwork for the alliance with the Kilingons and later the Romulans, Worf cemented that in the 24th Century.

It is for those reasons, also, that I think that a Worf movie would have more legs than the long-mooted Sulu series. Sulu was not much more than a background character, with limited impact on the wider universe/canon of the series. A Worf movie, on the other hand, would be as big an event as a Spock one. I’ve always regretted that Worf was kind of forgotten in the TNG movies, when his character was arguably more imprtant – at least in-universe – than Data.

15. Bugs Nixon - May 26, 2012

Would buy this on dvd. Greenlight it. Infact, lets have a klingon mini series.

16. LJ - May 26, 2012

Sorry for the double post, but imagine the dramatic potential of a movie showcasing both Spock and Worf. I’ve always wanted to see the two meet. The cool, logical Vulcan alongside the emotional, warrior Klingon. This has more resonance than the Kirk/Picard pairing of Generations, where both were experienced, old, heroic, yet jaded captains.

BTW I’m sure Michael Dorn must have done more hours of Trek than anyone else: 7 seasons of TNG, plus 4 (I think) seasons of DS9, plus 5 movies (including TUC). That makes him Trek’s greatest hero in my book.

I’m ready to stand corrected if I’m wrong about all that.

17. rm10019 - May 26, 2012

Would love a dvd/cable trek franchise. The prime actors deserve a farewell of quality.

18. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - May 26, 2012

Hey Bob Orci. Can you Elaberate on why Dorn was not cast in Trek 2009

19. Keachick - rose pinenut - May 26, 2012

Sounds pretty good, especially about him making the first film, a non sci-fi one. Nice to see Robert Pine getting parts as well.

Gosh yes, Michael Dorn does look good!

20. Carlos Teran - May 26, 2012

I think it would be great, as a closure for so many TNG/DS9 plot arcs, or follow up for others. Just as Babylon 5 and Stargate did.

21. Nick Cook - May 26, 2012

Would love to have seen Dorn in the next Trek movie, but would be more than happy to see him reprise Worf in a TV movie. Not optimistic about it happening but will keep my fingers crossed. I’d certainly buy a DVD of it.

22. Lope de Aguirre - May 26, 2012

Please give us TV / direct to Disc Star Trek movies!
I mean come on Avery Brooks (Sisko), Michael Dorn (Worf), Alexander Siddig (Dr. Bashir), Jeffrey Combs (Weyoun / Shran), Scott Bakula (Archer), Connor Trinneer (Trip), John Billingsley (Dr. Phlox), Armin Shimerman (Quark), Marc Alaimo (as another Cardassian), J.G. Hertzler (Martok), Andrew Robinson (Garak) and others have few future Trek appearences in them!

23. Matthew McNutt - May 26, 2012

Put the Worf movie on Kickstarter … you know us Trek fans would set a new record in hitting the funding goals.

24. Azrael - May 26, 2012

@22. Combs also played Brunt of the FCA (Ferengi Commerce Association), and Alaimo played the first Cardassian ever seen in Star Trek on TNG well before DS9, just like Shimmerman played the first Ferengi seen long before Quark. Also, since you are including Enterprise characters, Hertzler played the Klingon defense lawyer assigned to Archer and sent to Rura Penthe with him.

25. njdss4 - May 26, 2012

This sounds like a great idea. It’s a way to keep the Prime universe going, and it’ll be run by one of the best characters in Trek history in Worf. Kickstarter is the way to go. You know ahead of time how much interest there is in the project. Does Kickstarter take PayPal? That’ll be the only way I could contribute.

26. Craiger - May 26, 2012

Can Worf have a command? Didn’t he ruin his chances when he ignored orders and rescued Jadzia.

27. Majicou - May 26, 2012

Didn’t Dominic Keating say that as far as he could tell, the casting people had no idea who he was or that he’d been on Enterprise?

Getting a TV or DVD/BD Worf movie made would be about more than funding. CBS would have to agree to it, and I’m not holding my breath.

28. Amish Electrician - May 26, 2012

I appaud Mr Dorn ‘s effort..and wish him well..but i think CBS/Paramount believes TNG ship has sailed..

29. Jeyl - May 26, 2012

I’d watch it. Worf is one of the most prominent characters in the TNG era. I would love to see a post-Nemesis follow up where he wasn’t the butt of every joke and turned down on every turn. Even though his actions in DS9 wouldn’t warrant him one, I’d still like to see him take command of a federation ship.

30. Jello Cutter - May 26, 2012

It sounds a little desperate. I thougt the reason for star trek not being on television was. They could not leave it alone they just kept churning it out. Those last few movies were just terrible and direct to video movies is a sign of desperation. Take a deep breath and let things unfold as they should and thats with the jj movies and not forcing Trek on to television or into vidio stores. And wheres the reasoning for using Kickstarter for star trek. If I was someone who wanted to do something new in sci fi and I heard you gave the money to Michael Dorn for a star trek movie. I would not be setting my phasers to stun.

31. Franklestein - May 26, 2012


……..what the heck happened to the fact he accepted an ambassadorship from Martok? Why was he then, immediately following that moment in which Worf said, “I accept.” to Martok’s offer, suddenly in the next TNG movie in uniform? Ok, perhaps that was shortly after the DS9 episode in question as far as continuity is concerned….but a starship captain years later? What…did he tell Martok where to go? Or did he get reinstated as an officer after dealing with being an ambassador for a few years and decided “screw this!”?

If…and that is one hell of a big ‘IF’….he actually gets CBS to agree to this….venture…I would certainly hope he would explain this mess. It not, it wouldn’t surprise me since that was a requirement for ‘Berman-Trek’…ignore continuity when it suites you, throw it to the wind for the sake of a ‘clever’ line of dialog, etc.

As for the concept of a Captain Worf chasing down interstellar terrorists….

If I were CBS, I’d be asking, “….AND…?”

Seriously…haven’t we seen this sort of thing over and over throughout Trek history? Good guy chasing bad guys….shoot, shoot…yay we win. I mean is that REALLY what Trek should be about?

Here’s an idea in the very likely case CBS tells him to take a hike….write a book. Trek fans will eat it up.

32. DeShonn Steinblatt - May 26, 2012

I think it might end up as cheap and horrible as the B5 direct to dvd crap. Not that it would ever happen.

33. VZX - May 26, 2012

I’ve been saying this for years: a mini-series direct to video or on cable is a no-brainer! Dorn is right, it will only help the movie!

I think Para/CBS is scared about over-saturation again. As long as they are careful it won’t happen. Many Trek fans are hungry for more Trek, especially in the TNG prime universe!

Go Dorn!

34. Lucas - May 26, 2012

@26 I think Worf’s post- Change of Heart Starfleet career probably warranted Starfleet have their own ‘change of heart’ regarding his future command options. After all, he pretty much saved the UFP by deposing Gowron.

The post Nemesis TNG novels address this and have Worf as Picard’s New XO.

35. Bob Tompkins - May 26, 2012

If Abrams has a say in a Worf movie, it will never get off the ground. The best Mr. Dorn can hope for is to become a paperback writer.All that has gone before is no more.

36. Adam - May 26, 2012

Awesome idea about time there was a feature series in trek on tv!!

37. MikeTen - May 26, 2012

@28 Amish Electrician, I don’t think CBS thinks TNG’s ship sailed or they wouldn’t be spending money on putting out TNG in Bluray.

If someone can write a good story TNG or any of the Rick Berman era characters can be great again.

38. Sebastian S. - May 26, 2012

Hope the Captain Worf independent movie gets made. Maybe he should partner with Tim Russ (who directed the fan made, “Of Gods and Men”).

I’ve met Dorn and he’s a nice guy. I wish him all the best….

39. Ahmed - May 26, 2012

@35. Bob Tompkins – May 26, 2012

“If Abrams has a say in a Worf movie, it will never get off the ground. The best Mr. Dorn can hope for is to become a paperback writer.All that has gone before is no more”

Well, I don’t think that Abrams have a say when it come to Star Trek on TV, series or TV movie, and honestly he shouldn’t be given any authority regarding Trek TV.

I enjoy Abrams works, from writing “Regarding Henry” to his TV projects, Felicity, Alias & Lost. MI: 3 was the best in the movie series & of course Star Trek (2009). Now, having said that, the problem that it took him forever to make Trek 12.

I think that Trek TV should be in the hand of a different group, who are more focused on Trek.

40. Jonboc - May 26, 2012

…ugh…I’m so glad the idea or Dorn in the next movie was never realized. TNG was cut from such a radically different cloth that TOS, the two mix like oil and water. JJ’s trek is decidedly old school TOS-style Trek, please leave any TNG stuff where it belongs, in it’s own universe.

41. Erik Parrent - May 26, 2012

Best of luck, I’d love to see this!

42. Jack - May 26, 2012

I haven’t seen any real evidence of the “Abrams won’t allow” new Trek projects stuff. Okay, there were some JJverse planned (or written) books they put the kibosh on (and this, the not letting random stories with their characters come out, kind of makes sense to me)…

43. MJ - May 26, 2012

Love Dorn, but the dude is 60 years old now — too old to play a convincing soldier in an action role.

Enough with the geriatric sentimentality. Memo to JJ: no Nimoy. Dorn or other former cast in the new movie, please!

It is a new day in Trek.

44. MJ - May 26, 2012

@28 “I appaud Mr Dorn ’s effort..and wish him well..but i think CBS/Paramount believes TNG ship has sailed..”

Agreed! It is not iconic like TOS was. I really doubt it will ever be revisited again either in movies or TV.

45. Amish Electrician - May 26, 2012

44…And CBS spending money on blu-ray …is a money making deal on a ship that has sailed…

46. Sebastian S. - May 26, 2012

# 43


Shatner and Nimoy were both 60 when they made “The Undiscovered Country” in 1991. I’d say that movie worked out well. I’m sure Michael Dorn doesn’t have an action extravaganza in mind on an independent movie budget anyway…..

But I agree with your opinion on the new movie; the Abramsverse cast really need to ‘boldly go’ without any TOS cast training wheels now….

47. cmwhite001 - May 26, 2012

I would love to see a Wolf movie. I think it is a great Idea maybe if we all tell CBS that we want this. It might get a green light.

48. MJ - May 26, 2012

@46. Exactly my point. Yea, that was a good “last movie” for them given Trek V. That was the end run of TOS.

Agreed! ;-)

49. MJ - May 26, 2012

@45. Sure, I mean it’s not like they are spending 10’s of millions on new seasons of episodes. I purchase DVD’s and Blu-Rays of tv series whose ship had selled every year. Not sure what you point it???

50. Craiger - May 26, 2012

I wonder how much longer they should wait for Trek to be back on TV because its been 7 years since Enterprise ended. I keep wanting Trek back on TV but I also wonder if they should wait a little longer. Maybe 10 years?

51. MJ - May 26, 2012

@50. Yea, I think if the 3rd and final movie comes out in 2016, we’ll see a new series in 2017. If the careers of the Big 4 don’t take off too much, I would not be surprised if HBO or Showtime picked up JJ Trek with this same cast mainly intact, to do 10 episodes a year for a multi-year run.

52. No Khan - May 26, 2012

Its time to move on. Oh that’s right these NG guys have no career without Star Trek.

53. Red Dead Ryan - May 26, 2012


I think the Prime Universe is done. Everything new will take place in the J.J universe, 23rd century and beyond.

TNG, even as an iconic and (still) popular show, had a long run. Seven seasons, 178 episodes and four movies. Everything’s been done, at least in the PU. Michael Dorn has done more than his fair share of Trek.
Seven seasons of TNG, four more of DS9, and four TNG movies on top of TUC.

If they were going to reboot TNG, it should be in the new AU, recast with younger actors, and done on television in 13 episode seasons. That would be the best way to go.

I mean, how many times are we going to have to bring back old actors just to please the fans? That is just going back to the well again.

That is why I hope for no more cameos from prior Trek actors in the next J.J movie(s). The new cast are great, and should take the reigns. Let’s see a young Captain Kirk explore the galaxy and fight the Klingons and Khan.

If we keep bringing back 60+year old actors, the “Star Trek” franchise might as well become known as “Jurassic Trek”.

54. Craiger - May 26, 2012

RDR what you just said Kirk fighting Khan and the Klingons, I just thought of a cool scene for the sequel were Khan would betray the Klingons and then I could see the Klingons turning on Khan and Kirk getting the Klingons to help him get Khan. Imagine Enterprise with both Starfleet and Klingon ships taking on Khan. That however would be a temporary truce with the Klingons.

55. Davidj - May 26, 2012

Sounds like a really cool idea…. but it’ll never happen. Just like the Sulu series and the Riker/Troi series never happened.

56. Craiger - May 26, 2012

I think it would be cool to see if the 24th Century looks different since the timeline change and the 1701 looking more advanced then the 1701-E. I wonder how 24th Century tech would change?

57. Red Dead Ryan - May 26, 2012


Yeah, that would be fun to watch! The Klingons would most definitely want to “control” Khan by keeping him on the proverbial leash. But on the flip side, Khan was born a ruler. He wouldn’t want to have to answer to anybody. Kirk and the Klingons have to form an uneasy alliance where tension rules high in order to deal with a greater threat–Khan. Some great drama right there. Good thinking!

58. Captain Peabody - May 26, 2012

That sounds pretty awesome. There’s really no reason why we can’t have more fun Star Trek things like this without being the “flagship” of the franchise.

Full speed ahead!

59. Mark-Jörg - May 26, 2012

If he puts it on kickstarter I’ld back it!!!

Let’s hope it hapnens, I’d realy love to see it!!!

60. Craiger - May 26, 2012

Thanks, RDR. I also just thought of something how about the part for Dorn in the Sequel would have been as Worf’s ancestor as a Captain of one of the Klingon ships

61. NCM - May 26, 2012

Just occurred to me, reading some spiteful little put-down, that MD may read responses to this article. Well, I’m sure he’s as aware as most of the universal story behind such two-bit comments.

For what it’s worth, I don’t think the Worf launch is the best laid plan for Trek’s future on TV, but I’d love to see Mr. Dorn go ahead with sci. fi. aimed at Trek fans. That would seem a good place to start.

62. Red Dead Ryan - May 26, 2012


“Just occurred to me, reading some spiteful little put-down…”

What “put-down”? What are you talking about?

63. Robert Bernardo - May 26, 2012

Best of luck with those at CBS.

64. NCM - May 26, 2012

62. Red Dead Ryan – May 26, 2012

What are you talking about?


Not you: but if you think your post fits the bill…

65. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - May 26, 2012

You know a way to help Michael Dorn achieve this? Buy the freaking TNG bluray sets, show them that there is still a big big interest in TNG Characters.

66. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - May 26, 2012

Direct to bluray/DVD/Cable movies are a great way to continue on with prime era TNG/VOY/DS9 characters or the universe in general.

not the same risk as their is in greenlighting an entire tv season or theatrical release. much easier route to success.

67. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - May 26, 2012

cont, It worked for StarGate SG1

68. Steve D - May 26, 2012

Real news would be if he finally came out, but he’d never be that brave

69. Red Dead Ryan - May 26, 2012


I was just curious. I didn’t see anyone put down Michael Dorn here. Stop trying to stir up trouble.


I’ll assume the “D” in your name stands for “Douchebag”…

70. NCM - May 26, 2012

Sorry, RDR. Wasn’t trying to stir you up; but I might have made that more obvious, as I know you’re quick to nip at bait:]

As for your second assumption; glad you said it…

71. JD - May 26, 2012

If he wants to stay true to character he needs to have worf being shot down by every admiral for any offensive ideas he has, ala picard.

72. Jack - May 26, 2012

I wonder if anyone will have any interest in putting Trek back on TV, especially if it’s doing well in the theatres.

What do I know? I guess its movie success did lead to TNG etc. But I wonder if that would happen now. And i wonder if it (TNG) would have happened, originally, without Roddenberry. It would be neat to see a take on it that’s as fresh and as unconnected to the movies and previous series as TNG was, again – arguably, to TOS.

68. Coming out did wonders for Takei’s career, arguably. I have no idea if he (Dorn) is gay. It’s a tough call — some argue that there’s a responsibility to come out (to be a role model and show it shouldn’t be something kept hidden, because that assumes it’s shameful), but I think it’s also possible to be private without publicly lying. I’d never heard these Dorn rumors until I came on this site. I trust that Trek fans would be pretty damned supportive. And maybe it (along with others coming out) would help end this idea that gay men can’t convincingly play straight characters. Just knowing the concentration of gay folks involved in film, music and theatre, well, it seems pretty incredible that such a small number of big names are openly gay.

73. Red Dead Ryan - May 26, 2012


I guess that makes you a “master-baiter”! :-)


Starfleet had lost a lot of captains during the Dominion War, the brief Klingon conflict before that, and the two Borg invasions. I think they would probably forgive his transgressions, knowing that good commanders are hard to come by.

74. VZX - May 26, 2012

RDR: I partly agree with you. I would not want anymore Trek alums in a JJ movie, BUT I think a straight-to-video or cable movie with TNG/DS9 stars done on the cheap would be awesome.

75. Jack - May 26, 2012

I always wonder about his talk of Khan being an incredible resource to the Klingons, or Kirk’s ultimate nemesis, or the greatest threat ever to the federation.

Have we ever really seen what’s so great about Khan, other than his people’s unquestioning (except for Joaquim) loyalty/fear? He wasn’t a master of rhetoric or persuasion who riled up the masses to follow him. We’ve been told it — that he’s superior and that he was a force to be reckoned with for a time in Earth’s history. He has enhanced intellect and strength (in a federation filled with people who are stronger and smarter than humans). He’s supposed to be superior, but he keeps losing.

What’s he done really, within Trek, to show this greatness? He’s shown only weakness.

He put Kirk in a hyperbaric chamber and took over his ship (and left him alone, as a Bond villain would, and then lost to Kirk in a plastic pipe fight) and used conveniently available mind control (these little guys happened to kill everyone here, except us) to get off his prison planet after the Reliant was a little fuzzy on it’s navigation and just happened to drop in. They also happen to be on a mission regarding genesis. And Kirk just happened to be in space, as opposed to on Earth, which the Reliant probably couldn’t have made it to without being intercepted.

Sure, he’s great at seizing opportunities, but what has he actually achieved — his superior intellect and strength were given to him. It’s why he lost, I think, according to the conventions of TV/Movies– being smart and strong and power-hungry don’t pay. Arrogance and presumed superiority don’t pay, kids. Vengeance and selfishness don’t pay, kids. Inate gifts and potential don’t automatically lead to success, it’s what you make of yourself, kids.

Khan’s the Titanic. He shows what arrogance and hubris get you in the end.

He’s just a power-hungry dude who’s been in the right place at the right time – he didn’t invent anything. he dominated his people, presumably, though fear… (maybe). What makes the guy such a threat to Kirk (especially *this* Kirk) or the galaxy, apart from his dogged persistence?

76. NCM - May 26, 2012

@74: LOL! I’d ask if I can use that for my new handle, but I don’t think I’m up to it.

@72: re: tough call… Easy for me to say, but I don’t think it is. I feel for the guys (always seems to be guys) who are criticized for not ‘revealing.’ Trailblazers are commendable, often heroic, but no one has a right to put that expectation on someone else.

77. cd - May 26, 2012

26, 34 – A Starfleet officer, ignoring orders?!? Unheard of.

78. Cygnus-X1 - May 26, 2012

Sounds interesting.

A word of advice for Mr. Dorn: Don’t put Rick Berman’s name on it.

79. Brevard - May 26, 2012

More power to Mr. Dorn, but there is no way that CBS will let this happen. CBS and Paramount will not let the new ST be in competition with character movies from the other ST series. Just won’t happen.

80. gatetrek - May 26, 2012

I bet the studio wouldn’t want to do that, for fear of “diluting” the franchise…though I know I for one would love to see Michael Dorn’s script when he’s done, in one form or another!

81. Phil - May 26, 2012

Michael Dorn as Khan….who knew?

82. TrueTrekFan - May 26, 2012

It would be great if the made a new Star Trek series that was not a weekly show but rather a 2 hour special which would run once a month revolving around all past shows and updating various stories. One could be on Worf another could deal with some of Voyager’s crew after they returned to Earth, another could be with Sulu commanding the Excelsior, the possibilities are endless. Why have a single format storyline and not do variety?

83. TrueTrekFan - May 26, 2012

PS I hope Michael Dorn your pitch to the network is a success, I think there are a lot of fans out there who would like to see their favorite trek characters once again on tv.

84. Dr. Cheis - May 26, 2012

I doubt that show would happen.

I’d watch it, but I doubt it would happen.

85. Ahmed - May 26, 2012

@82. TrueTrekFan

That would be great but I highly doubt it will ever happens under the current TV networks conditions. We used to have anthology series in the past but not anymore.

86. Vultan - May 26, 2012

Sounds good to me. A TV movie with Worf or something entirely new and different couldn’t hurt, and could lead to a new Trek series (see the Battlestar Galactica reboot). Depends on the ratings, of course.

Shame the networks and studios play it so safe.
Whatever happened to syndication?

87. Max - May 26, 2012

Straight to DVD or TV movies will never happen. No way. Never. Not a chance. Star Trek is an A list franchise. They are not going to dilute it. It’s either big blockbuster films or a series that spans years. I’m sure Dorn knows this, deep down.

88. Ahmed - May 26, 2012

@87. Max

Why not ? It was done before with Stargate SG-1; another science fiction franchise , when MGM released The Ark of Truth and Continuum direct-to-DVD.

89. James - May 26, 2012

Finally has star trek learned a thing or two from Stargate when it comes to tv movies? If this worf tv movie is a success will we finally see a tv movie return for deep space nine? The return of captain sisko? Or if paramount are generous a tv movie mini series involving both tng and ds9! Let’s hope and pray!

90. Max - May 26, 2012

88. Ahmed.

SG-1 is not an A-list franchise.

91. Jim Nightshade - May 27, 2012

hmmm this reminds me…anyone know what happened to the money collected to save enterprise? i never contributed for that reason…..not familiar with the website mentioned above….direct to video saved futurama….but that is very rare….i like the idea n love michael dorn n worf—‘if you were any other man id kill you where you stand’ heheh
i also agree unlikely it would be made at this time….but so much money is spent on truly awful stuff—black out game..wrestling,mega croc…shark etc…dumb reality shows etc..wish some of that be put into good scifi projects like this…only pay channels seem to be innovative lately…
also luv the way dorn is hiring his friends n fellow trek actors hope that continues also—as for the being too old–poppyok….

92. MJ - May 27, 2012

@65 “You know a way to help Michael Dorn achieve this? Buy the freaking TNG bluray sets, show them that there is still a big big interest in TNG Characters.”

So they way to support not having “old fart Star Trek”would be to not buy TNG on Blu-Ray. That is not a bad idea!

93. CmdrR - May 27, 2012

A Worf rom-com. Hmmm….

I picture Worf and his mate. Both are bloodied, exhausted, smoking a cigarette. The room is in ruins. bat’leths are poking out of the walls. Middle aged woman walks by: “I’ll have what she’s having.”
Might be fun.

94. mynameschris - May 27, 2012

@26 “Can Worf have a command? Didn’t he ruin his chances when he ignored orders and rescued Jadzia.”

I cant imagine he wouldnt be able to get a command, lets say he spent 10 years more or less as the Ambassador to the Empire after that time he may have decided to return to Starfleet and if Martok is still around he could have put a word in for him.

10 years is a long time to earn a bigger name for himself for a past action to be overlooked, after all by the logic that Worf could never make Captain would mean Riker should never have gotten the Titan after what happened with the Pegasus.

This all depends on how long he spent in the Ambassador role as some have said he was clearly a Starfleet officer in Nemesis which is set around 4 years after the end of DS9.

95. falkan - May 27, 2012

I would love to see Michael Dorn suit up again! It’s been too long since Nemesis. I can’t believe it has already been 10 years since we last saw new material from the TNG crew.

96. Mike Singer - May 27, 2012

Maybe in this hopeful Worf TV movie, Dorn can have Adam Scott reprise his role as the helmsman from “First Contact”, this time as Worf’s wise-cracking conn officer.

97. Nick Cook - May 27, 2012

Ahhhh TNG haters. For people who dislike a show so much, they sure spend a lot of time online talking about it.

98. IlSisko - May 27, 2012

I totlly support this project! And please, Mr. Dorn, count Captain Ezri Dax among the characters. ;D

99. El Chup - May 27, 2012

Alas, I think Michael Dorn is dweluded if he thinks such a project will get the go ahead. Clearly Paramount/CBS thinks that JJ Trek is the cash cow at present. I can’t see them going back to a cjharacter and a time tha ultimately fizzled out and died, and has nothing to do with JJ Trek’s universe, for TV purposes.

100. Chain of Command - May 27, 2012

Interesting. Will be curious to see if he can get his movie idea up and running. as long as it’s done really well.

101. Ziggy Rot - May 27, 2012

#65: The Blu-rays are way too overpriced, and are a complete waste of money for anyone who already spent hundreds of dollars on the DVDs.

102. Ziggy Rot - May 27, 2012

#78 wrote: “A word of advice for Mr. Dorn: Don’t put Rick Berman’s name on it.”

You say that as if Dorn would have any control over that, which of course he wouldn’t.

103. Ziggy Rot - May 27, 2012

#78 wrote: “A word of advice for Mr. Dorn: Don’t put Rick Berman’s name on it.”

You say that as if Dorn would have any control over that, which of course he wouldn’t.

104. Sewanee - May 27, 2012

I am not interested in Worf. Nor is anyone else.

105. ST Redux - May 27, 2012

Michael: call Rick Sternbach, Andrew Probert, John Eaves and Doug Drexler. I’d wager you could enter your meetings with concept drawings of the Captain Worf starship and tech. :)

106. kregano - May 27, 2012

I think a Captain Worf movie might work if it were an animated piece, sort of like that Mass Effect anime or the cancelled Trek cartoon. It would allow them to do more with less money.

107. Rocket Scientist - May 27, 2012

It’s a total long shot, but I’d be interested in his story ideas. If it doesn’t fly, hopefully it comes out as a book or comic series.

108. richpit - May 27, 2012

I’m not too excited about a Worf movie, because Worf was never my favorite character…nor was DS9 ever my favorite Trek. But, still, it would be cool to see a little more life out of the Trek world than a feature movie every 4 years.

I don’t believe JJ Abrams has a say about anything Trek besides his nuTrek universe. CBS / Paramount still own the rights to Trek and decide what happens or doesn’t. Of course, if they think it will dilute JJ’s universe, they’ll turn it down very quickly.

109. Jannek - May 27, 2012

I guess Michael Dorn is talking the role that now plays Ser’Darius Blain (called “sodlier”)

110. Azrael - May 27, 2012

@104. Speak for yourself, because you will never speak for me, nor anyone else. Personally I wouldn’t mind seeing Dorn wearing the ridges one more time, especially if they come up with a story better than what happens to Worf on Star Trek Online. Don’t make statements around here and say things like “no one wants” or “everyone thinks” and so on, it annoys the crap out of many people here, whether they agree or not, and they will say something about it. On the other hand, if your just another troll, then just go away.

111. Elias Javalis - May 27, 2012

Totally uninterested. If they decide to make a star trek series, they should leave it to Abrams. The guy is born to do TV projects!

112. Jake - May 27, 2012

I’m sick of people talking about how old Trek is dead, no more PU, etc. And a new TNG set in the Abram’s Universe just seems disrespectful while the TNG era was still around just ten years ago and could be seen again.

I want a film that bridges the PU TNG with the AU TOS. Having Spock talk about what happened is nothing compared to seeing it in film. That would be a far better TNG ending, if it has to end at all. I’d like to see some kind of nod to the fact the PU is still continuing. Stop the disrespect though, a couple people on here have outright said TNG should be dead or redone, and I don’t think the majority of fans honestly want that. I’d like to see these TV movies Mr. Dorn is trying to get onto television, it would be a great way to continue a few older stories and characters, without series commitments or interfering with new timelines. Just update old stories or add to them. Older fans would love that.

113. Jake - May 27, 2012

But in the canon comics that bridge the TNG-AU TOS, Worf seemed to be captain of a Klingon ship, so that confuses where Worf should be and when.. Would like to see some explanations though definitely.

114. Ahmed - May 27, 2012

@90. Max – May 26, 2012

“88. Ahmed.
SG-1 is not an A-list franchise.”

You can hardly say that. Stargate is considered a major science fiction franchise that began with the Stargate theatrical movie in 1994 & then the television series Stargate SG-1 that lasted 10 seasons.

It was later expanded to 3 spin off shows; “Stargate Infinity”, “Stargate Atlantis” and “Stargate Universe” , 2 direct-to-DVD movies, not to mention countless books, comics & video games.

I don’t see a problem in making Star Trek direct-to-DVD movies, Trek universe is big & can accommodate that. CBS should try it & see the reaction from the fans & the market.

@110. Elias Javalis – May 27, 2012
“Totally uninterested. If they decide to make a star trek series, they should leave it to Abrams. The guy is born to do TV projects!”

Maybe in the past but most of his recent TV projects; “Undercovers ” & “Alcatraz ” didn’t work out, only “Person of Interest” was successful.

I think it is a bad idea to give one person, even a genius like Abrams, control over Trek on TV & movies in the same time.

115. Azrael - May 27, 2012

@113. Ahmed, I have disagreed with you on any number of subjects brought up on various threads here, but so far as SG-1 goes I find myself agreeing. I watched every single frame of Stargate, even skipped going to see Nemesis the first week it was out so I could watch SG-1 (yeah I know, its just Nemesis, but I had never picked something over Star Trek before). Also many, many, actors with Star Trek experience appeared on Stargate (I have a list somewhere), and SG-1 did break some of Star Trek’s records. It is too bad they couldn’t get an 11th season for SG-1 though, I would have liked to see something identifiable as real SciFi knock that X-Files crapola off the top spot. Anyways, later all,

116. Legate Damar - May 27, 2012

Are there any main cast members from Star Trek who are more awesome than Worf. If they’re going to make a TV movie, I would prefer it to be based on Enterprise, but this sounds almost as awesome. Quapla, Michael Dorn.

117. Ahmed - May 27, 2012

@114. Azrael

Glad that we agree on something ;)

I remember watching Stargate the movie when I was in Egypt & it was such a big hit that time. When the television series came & Richard Dean Anderson; MacGyver to the rest of us :), was in the series, that was all that I needed to follow the series.

It is a shame that these days, we have nothing like Star Trek or Stargate on TV. Most of the new Fall series sound either dumb or not interesting.

118. loghaD - May 27, 2012

I could totally a go for a direct-to-DVD/BR Worfie. However, I’d want it to be Ambassador Worf, not Captain Worf.

I see before me:
An aging Worf, worrying that he’s getting a bit too comfortable in his new role, and reminiscing about his glory days, but realizing that his work is much too important for him to allow himself to abandon it in search of personal glory. It’s not that he’s tied down by his position – Klingon diplomats tend to see a bit more action than Federation ones – but he realizes his own place in the great scheme of things, and knows that he cannot leave it.

However, when a situation arises where galactic peace hangs in the balance, and a mission calls for somebody who is not just an battle-tested warrior, but also an experienced leader and skilled diplomat, Worf jumps at the opportunity.


Also, in the episode TNG: “Firstborn”, Worf refused a chance to change history, even though it would lead him to an early and not particularly glorious death. However, he accepted his destiny; I’d like to see him make good on that decision.

I doubt any of this will ever happen, but if it does, I hope Dorn brings on an experienced Klingon translator; there are many of us who’d be honored to help :)

119. Danny - May 27, 2012

I support this 100% alongside any other Trek project. Especially if it’s ‘prime universe.’ Universes aside, 4 years is too long to wait for more Trek.

There’s the Singer project, the sttuff Frakes & Shatner submitted – so many people want to do more Trek. It’s sad to hear when these projects are being turned away,

There’s the Nolan Batman films AND DTV films AND children’s cartoons – why can’t we have more Star Trek?

If there is not a weekly live action show, then after an animated series a DTV would be good – maybe also being done for SyFy for a bit of extra finance and a broadcast slot.

It’s so weird with Star Trek what’s been happening after Enterprise there are so many similarities to what happened with Doctor Who – a long run, followed by waning interest and a one-off movie (yes this time there is a sequel) with many fans still wanting more. Obviously WHO came back after 15 years, the future of Trek is still uncertain.

120. Vultan - May 27, 2012

Even if Dorn’s project doesn’t get made (and there’s a good chance it won’t), it’s still sends a signal to the powers that be at CBS and Paramount there are people out there interested in seeing Trek on the small screen in some shape or form.

Keep telling them. Some day they’ll listen.

121. Vultan - May 27, 2012

Correction: “IT still sends a signal…”

122. T'Cal - May 27, 2012

Worf is one of the deepest, richest characters in all of Trek and the writers wasted both the character and the talent of Mr. Dorn by trying unsuccessfully to make him comic relief. I had always hoped we would see Worf, the first Klingon in Starfleet, become the first Klingon to be captain of a Federation starship. With mentors such as Picard, Riker, and Sisko, he had tremendous potential to combine some of their leadership styles with his own honor-driven style. It has great potential.

123. Dan - May 27, 2012

how very Jack Bauer of him…sounds like fun

124. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - May 27, 2012

ziggy speak for yourself, you definately dont speak for everyone in your response to my earlier post

125. Shilliam Watner (Click for Trek Ships Poster) - May 27, 2012

I would love to see Worf come back. I always liked his character, when they weren’t using him for comic relief. While I was always a big fan of DS9, it was great to see Worf join the cast. I think his addition made DS9’s cast the strongest of any of the series.

I wish Dorn the best in this quest.

126. Legate Damar - May 27, 2012

What does everyone think the odds are that the villain end up being Toral or another Duras?

127. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - May 27, 2012

126, I would be ok with that

128. Max - May 27, 2012

114. Ahmed

I think you’ve misinterpreted me. Sorry. My fault. I’m not insulting Stargate. I’m sure it’s a fine show. But it isn’t an A-list fanchise. I’m talking about ticket sales and viewership, not quality. Stargate runs on a different business model entirely

A-list: Harry Potter. Avengers. Star Wars. James Bond. Batman. Spider-Man. Star Trek.

Stargate isn’t on that list. It plays to a smaller niche. I hope that clears that up.

Sure, Paramount or CBS or whoever has the rights to Star Trek this week could make some money in the short term with cheaper productions. But they would be diluting the brand, and that would hurt their sales in the long run.

Maybe, if we’re really lucky, we might see an animated Star Trek DVD movie… but a live action original story shot for DVD? Forget it.

129. MJ - May 27, 2012

@128. Stargate was certainly a superior product to Voyager, which is a fair comparison because they aired approximately in the same period on TV, though Stargate went on longer. And Stargate was definitely superior to Enterprise — I think most of us would agree with that.

130. Max - May 27, 2012

@129. That doesn’t make Stargate an A-list franchise. It’s not a fair comparison.

I’m not talking about the quality of the show. I’m talking about the business end.

131. Red Dead Ryan - May 27, 2012


“Star Trek” is NOT an A-list franchise. It is not even in the same league as “James Bond”, “Spider-Man”, “Batman”, and certainly not “Star Wars”.

Those franchises have far bigger fan bases, and appeal to much broader demographics. They also sell a lot more merchandise, particularly among kids.

“Star Trek” is a B-list franchise. It is in the same group with “Stargate”, and “The X-Files”. They depend mainly on a cult following.

132. Max - May 27, 2012

#132. No. It isn’t. Star Trek may not be as big as Batman, etc. but it still ranks as A-list. It is a summer blockbuster.

133. Red Dead Ryan - May 27, 2012


Until a “Star Trek” movie makes over $500 million, it isn’t. Many of today’s “A-list” movies make well over half a billion dollars in revenue world wide.

134. Legate Damar - May 27, 2012

No matter what-list series Star Trek is, I dont see the problem with doing direct to DVD or TV movies. I’m not sure how that would dilute the series any more than the Animated series would, and it would certainly make money. Enterprise really could have used a TV movie or two after they were cancelled, because that crew certainly deserved a better ending than These Are The Voyages. Trek needs to return to the small screen, and this would be cheaper to make than a full run TV series. Besides, there is no good reason for anyone not to want to see more Worf.

135. Newman - May 27, 2012

We Want Worf!!!

136. Max - May 27, 2012

Star Trek made $385 (Yay Wikipedia!) plus massive merchandising profits we’ll never even know. That’s enough to be A-list. It may not be the biggest kid on the block, like Batman, but I think we can all reaonably agree that it isn’t due to a cult following like Stargate and thus not a fair comparison.

At any rate, bargaining with me over the definition of what an A-list franchise is isn’t going to make a direct-to-DVD film materialize.

137. Vultan - May 27, 2012

Ah, so Star Trek is that pimply-faced kid that doesn’t get into the club, decides it’s not worth it, goes to the library, studies, studies, studies, invents something great, becomes a billionaire, and founds his own space company (Elon Musk).

Meanwhile, Star Wars dies in a hotel room with a needle in his arm.


138. Max - May 27, 2012

#134 Actually it wouldn’t be cheaper. Sets, casting, and costumes are expensive. With a full run series, they can spread out the cost over seven or eight years. A tv movie has to absorb all the costs at once.

Star Trek doesn’t have the option to go small.

139. Max - May 27, 2012

#137 Vulton. Yeah, something like that. LOL. :)

140. Red Dead Ryan - May 27, 2012


The film made $385 million dollars. The worst “Star Wars” film made more than that, at over $400 million ten years prior. With lower ticket prices. That movie sold way more merchandise than “Star Trek” ’09 did.

Playmates license to the sequel was cancelled because of poor sales.

Paramount didn’t make a ton of money off it’s merchandise, because for the most part, the toys it sold weren’t very good. Not anywhere close to the standard set by Hasbro’s “Star Wars” ships and figures.

“Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen”, which was pure crap, did over twice as well as “Star Trek” did.

141. Jack - May 27, 2012

“Paramount didn’t make a ton of money off its merchandise, because for the most part, the toys it sold weren’t very good. Not anywhere close to the standard set by Hasbro’s “Star Wars” ships and figures.”

And maybe it wasn’t really a kids movie. Hasn’t it been mostly us who’ve bought this stuff over the years, and not 7-year-olds.

And it still nearly made more than all the TNG-cast-only movies combined.

142. Max - May 27, 2012

#140. Yes, there a bigger A-list franchises than Star Trek. I already acknowleged that. I pointed out that Star Trek was A-list. I never claimed it was at the top. But it isn’t cult either. Maybe it was in 1075, but not 2012.

If you don’t want to believe me, then don’t. If you want to quibble and say Star Trek is B-list, fine. But it’s still not going to put Star Trek in Stargate range, which means its not a fair comparison to say Trek should follow the Stargate business model of direct-to-dvd movies. Which was my whole point, to begin with.

143. Vultan - May 27, 2012


Good point. And good reason they should make the movies for people over 20 and who read more than just cereal boxes. ;)

144. Red Dead Ryan - May 27, 2012


Nah, just better merchandising and marketing. Paramount needs to hire companies that care. Hasbro is a promising start.


It’s been, for a long time prior to the reboot, closer to “Stargate” in terms of overall popularity. That is what these “lists” are based on. Trek has been an “A-list” franchise on television before. About fifteen years ago. It slowly lost that status and became a D-list in the same vein as Kathy Griffin. J.J Abrams made a heck of a film, bringing in some of the mainstream, and getting the hard core fans back. The franchise is still on its ascent to the A-list status it had lost ten years ago.

The thing is, its never been an A-list franchise. Not on the big screen any way. J.J Abrams could be the first director to take “Star Trek” to the stratosphere of big, epic, summer blockbusters. But we’re not there yet. The sequel can push it there.

145. Red Dead Ryan - May 27, 2012

Another way of putting it is that the film portion of the franchise was C-list, because it, at least prior to J.J Abrams, was hit-and-miss, and generally not very popular the mainstream crowd.

Television, on the other hand, was a much more successful venue. Three extremely popular series. The seventies and nineties were its most successful decades on tv. So we can give it “A list” status in spite of the not-so-popular “Voyager” and “Enterprise”.

So, after averaging it out, “B-list” is the grade level that the overall franchise is at right now.

146. Vultan - May 27, 2012


Nah, just better writing and caring about the intelligence of your audience. Amazing what can be accomplished when don’t just throw tons of money at a project.

Look at “The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel.” A little British film with a $10 million budget and is now closing in on $100 million in ticket sales. Not bad for a story about a bunch of retirees hanging out in India.

And those “expensive” special effects…? How about “Iron Sky”? Now, regardless of what you may think of its goofy subject matter, the visual effects are fairly impressive. Its budget? Just under $10 million (crowd-sourced).

Trek back on TV? Huh, maybe we should outsource it to Europe.

147. Max - May 27, 2012

#144 Enterprise was cancelled because it was (all together now) diluting the brand. It was cancelled precisely because it was performing below A-list standards. The bean counters knew that it was better to cut Enterprise and let Trek sit for a few years than to make cheaper Trek and let it sink to the B-list. Trek was on decline for a few years, but that doesn’t mean Stargate was ever on the same tier as Star Trek. STargate would have just plugged on until it couldn’t and then we never would hear from it again.

But, since you conceded that Trek could at least be on the cusp of meeting your definition of A-list, isn’t that a good reason enough not to go the Direct-to-DVD line? That it doesn’t make sense to put short term gain in front of long term gain? Which is really the whole point of what we are talking about, right? I hope we can agree on that.

148. Red Dead Ryan - May 27, 2012


Hmmm, maybe “The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel” did well because it appeals to senior citizens.

A-HA! How about we bring back the remaining TOS actors for the sequel?

We could watch a bunch of retirees in space! A sure way to bring in the AARP crowd!


149. MJ - May 27, 2012

Guys, I think Star Trek, realistally, is in between an “A” and “B” list franchise. It certainly is not a definitive A-list franchise — look at the comparisons that RDR makes — he’s right, Trek is not making the kind of money to be in the A-list.

That being said, I have a hard time saying that it is a “B” franchise as well. B brings to mind stuff like Firefly, Battlestar Galactica, Planet of the Apes…I think Trek is bigger than most of those.

So I would put Trek at A- or B+.

150. Vultan - May 27, 2012


Hey, seniors have money.

151. Red Dead Ryan - May 27, 2012


I never said they should go the Direct-to-dvd” route. I agree with you about that.

I do however, think CBS should consider an animated series. That could generate interest with the kids and still keep the fans involved. A cartoon wouldn’t dilute the product unless it was poorly done. Get the right actors, writers and animators, and it could be a hit.

152. Red Dead Ryan - May 27, 2012

It’s on the B+List, then. Good, we’ve got it resolved. :-)

153. MJ - May 27, 2012

@147 “Trek was on decline for a few years, but that doesn’t mean Stargate was ever on the same tier as Star Trek.”

Stargate SG-1 had a ten season run during a period of time when Trek had the lackluster Voyager and Enterprise series going, along with all the crappy TNG movies (save First Contact), so I would say during that decade that Stargate had temporarily surpassess Trek…yes, they were on the same tier pretty much until JJ came along and revitalized the franchaise….so now today, of course Trek is above Stargate…but I give Stargate its due for a good period of time in which it did, at worst, equal Trek.

154. Max - May 27, 2012

#151. Okay. That’s the whole reason I brought it up in the first place. So I guess we’re just arguing about a definition of A-list but agree with the main reason Dorn’s movie will never happen.

Kind of wish you clarified that in the first place. Oh well.

155. MJ - May 27, 2012

@151. I would like the idea of an animated series if they did not dillute it down for kids/teenagers. But I have fears that they would be pressured to do that.

156. Red Dead Ryan - May 27, 2012


If you had read any of my posts prior to #151, you would have known that I didn’t mention anything about direct-to-dvd movies. Certainly not me being in favor of that route.

Besides, here’s the flaw in your own arguement: The “Batman” franchise has put out numerous direct-to-dvd movies in the timespan between “Batman Begins” and “The Dark Knight”. In fact, one of them, “Gotham Knights”, was a direct bridge between the two. And those direct-to-dvd films are quite good and have proven to be successful.

Having said that, I don’t think that is the best way to go for Trek. Trek does best in multi-episode, multi-season television series.

Anyway, I’m glad you finally paid attention. Thank you. :-)

157. Red Dead Ryan - May 27, 2012


“The Clone Wars” is a great example of a cartoon show NOT being diluted. Great series btw.

158. Max - May 27, 2012

#156. Okay, now you’re just being obnoxious, but whatever.

Those were not live action production. I accounted for that, actually.

159. Red Dead Ryan - May 27, 2012


Okay, I missed that. But that doesn’t mean you can call me “obnoxious”.

That’s just juvenile behaviour, especially coming from someone who had some of his arguements proven wrong.

160. Ziggy Rot - May 27, 2012

#124: I WAS speaking for myself. I was the one stating the comment–hence, it was MY opinion. Relax, over-reactor.

161. MJ - May 27, 2012

@158. RDR was just being a bit humerous/ironic in his post to you in post #156; not obnoxious.

162. Max - May 27, 2012

#159 You didn’t prove me wrong. If I was wrong Michael Dorn would be filming a Star Trek movie right now.

“Anyway, I’m glad you finally paid attention. Thank you.” is obnoxious even if you dress it up with a smiley. I did just spend two intensive hours debating what amouted to a nitpick with you. A little respect goes a long way there.

Whatever. Water under the bridge, man. No hard feelings.

163. Red Dead Ryan - May 27, 2012


Thanks for the back-up! I really appreciate that! :-)

164. Red Dead Ryan - May 27, 2012


Dude, MJ and I brought up a number of facts why Trek isn’t the A-list franchise you seem to believe. You chose to ignore them. Now you’re trying the old straw man arguement with me.

165. MJ - May 27, 2012

@162. Been posting here for four years bro….a word of advice, have a thick skin, and you will have more fun here. And don’t take it so seriously that it gets you fired up personally. You have some good thoughts here — I kind of like you, so stick with it.

@163. No problemo!

166. Red Dead Ryan - May 27, 2012

I’ve been in a few of these “pick-every-single-minutae-apart and argue” conversations on this site lately, so now I feel like I’m living in a cyberspace episode version of “Seinfeld”.

167. Max - May 27, 2012

#164. Okay. I guess it’s not so under the bridge after all.Oh well, I tried. I have no straw man argument. My argument is that Dorn’s TV movie won’t get made because it will hurt the frachise’s long term profits. No nitpicking about the definition of A-list changes that.

#165. MJ. You’re cool too. LOL. I’m not fired up. He responded to my post and I played along. I think that if you are going to call someone out over their comments it should go somewhere. Not just nitpicking for the sake of itself. Just feel like I wasted a couple hours. No big deal. Thread seems pretty much dead by this point anyway.

168. Legate Damar - May 27, 2012

A Star Trek cartoon would be a terrible idea. They already did one of those, and if anything “diluted the franchise” it was TAS. I would definitely prefer a TV series to a direct to DVD/TV movie, but I would prefer a TV movie to nothing but the Abrams movies. The plot of a DVD/TV movie could be just as good and complex as that of a theatrical movie, and it would be much cheaper. 147-Enterprise wasn’t cancelled for diluting the franchise. It was cancelled because it had poor ratings. Enterprise probably added the most to the franchise since TOS, and was easily the second best after DS9. Besides, Enterprise was never as bad as the first couple of seasons of TNG. A TV/DVD movie would be an awesome idea, as would any chance to see a return of Worf.

169. Red Dead Ryan - May 27, 2012


I don’t think Dorn’s TV movie would hurt the franchise’s long term profits. It might suck, and it would lose CBS a bit amount of money if it did, but as a one-off it wouldn’t really matter. They wouldn’t be spending a huge amount on it anyway.

If it was good, it would make some fanboys happy and CBS some money.

But either way, I don’t see any long term impact on the franchise from Dorn’s movie. Which is probably the real reason why it won’t get made. It seems like a “too-safe” pick. A nice idea. Not a strike-out, but not a home run, either.

Anyway, I think I’m done with this arguement.

170. Red Dead Ryan - May 27, 2012


The reason why TAS didn’t catch on was because of the lousy (even by seventies standards) animation.

Today’s cgi and animation are top-notch and still improving every day. A new Trek cartoon would be great if done well.

171. MJ - May 27, 2012

@168 “Enterprise probably added the most to the franchise since TOS.”


172. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - May 28, 2012

you do realize that Stargate the movie made almost 200 million at the box office world wide, compared to the 118 million world wide gross of star trek Generations that came out only a few weeks apart.

The only reason why there were never any more stargate theatrical films films was cause of MGM theatrical losing rights to the film after one of its numerous times they were going through financial difficulties.
Had there been additional stargate films there is no reason to believe they would not have performed just as well as the original film, or on par with star trek films from the same period

173. Legate Damar - May 28, 2012

171, I might have exaggerated a bit, but that would certainly be true if Enterprise had been allowed to have a full run. Enterprise gives us a good idea as to how the Federation started, showed first contact with the Klingons and Romulans, elaborated more than any other series as to why the Vulcans suppress their emotions, and about a million other things, particularly in the fourth season.

170, I’m sure a new cartoon would be better than TAS, but I still can’t see them doing a cartoon without trying to appeal to children. I’m sure that I would watch a Trek cartoon if they made one, and it might even be good, butStar Trek should really just remain live action.

174. Shilliam Watner (Click for Trek Ships Poster) - May 28, 2012

I’ve been reading your arguments about Star Gate and Star Trek, and I find it sometimes really amusing, but always entertaining. I personally would never measure a film’s A, B, or C listing based solely on box office, though that is sadly what it seems to come down to. Star Wars has made far more money than Stat Trek, but I personally don’t care for the Star Wars movies all that much. To me, they’re C-list. Star Trek has wavered to me between all three.

TMP, TWOK and First Contact are A-list to me. The Search for Spock, Voyage home, Undiscovered Country, Generations and Insurrection are B-list to me, but some are B+ and some are B-. Nemesis would be a C-list and Final Frontier… well, maybe I’d rather watch a Star Wars film.

I’m afraid Dorn’s quest to do a Star Trek movie will go the same route as George Takei’s quest to get Captain Sulu on TV. At least Dorn got longer and better opportunities to shine as his Trek Character, but I think they often used the character of Worf poorly. Still, he had a lot of great moments, and will aways be one of my favorite Trek characters.

I just used the word “character” way too much. It’s late and I should be in bed.

175. Orb of Wisdom - May 28, 2012

If Dorn is serious about this, and the appropriate people are willing to green-light his Trek movie projects, YES!!! (hint, hint–about the @TrekMovie tweet at @SyFy about a potential space opera series or project again? Maybe whoever tweets teh most could get on the @TrekMovie account and hint at @SyFy to take in Dorn’s Star Trek movie ideas.

If this gets of the ground, perhaps it could pave the way for Frakes to get his Star Trek: TItan idea the green light too!

176. Orb of Wisdom - May 28, 2012

@ #147: no, what cancelled Star Trek: Enterprise was the then impending consolidation of UPN and The WB into The CW. Star Trek: Enterprise was UPN’s sacrificial lamb, while Buffy spinoff Angel was The WB’s.

177. Christopher Roberts - May 28, 2012

Although I personally have my doubts about Michael Dorn’s idea, I do really appreciate his (and other former cast & production members – Shatner, Tim Russ, Bryan Fuller, Manny Coto’s) attempts to start a conversation with CBS about the future of Star Trek on Television.

The problem is still the same one that affected (and probably played into) Star Trek Enterprise’s demise. A split fanbase. Fragmented between this show and that show. Differing camps polarised (pun intended) for or against one generation over another.

Money is all the studio care about at the end of the day, as the last Star Trek film proved. An overwhelming majority of fans have got to want in.

I think this proposal for a show to involve rallying behind a popular character like Worf, is… possibly half right.

178. Danny - May 28, 2012

A few years ago they made Of Gods and Men. This was a spare time project so release was delayed probably by a year (it felt like forever) HOWEVER about two dozen professional actors were in it, and the producers were pros. CBS could have easily put some money into it – surely a DVD would have made a fair bit of money.

Or would it?

Maybe it’s time to try it out. I’m sure I heard that K/O were looking at the possibility of an animated show akin to Transformers Prime – that could be OK but it would be (presumably) in the JJVerse – not a problem but I’m talking aboout the Prime Universe.

My worry is ‘Captain Worf’ sounds like an ego trip, but he is an interesting characer and was the only regular in two shows.

Right now, aside from fan fiction (which I love but there are so many different ideas out there!) there are the books and ST Online continuing the story. I’, not sure if a TVM would contradict it, but so what? I think people would want to see new Trek.

The STAR TREK: FEDERATION got revealed; Shatner adapted his ACADEMY into a novel and we have details for a few others, but we don’t know what Frakes’ project was about – probably Captain Riker on the Titan.

There are a lot of people – some of whom have not been professionally involved with Trek at all – pitching such projects. JJ has Kirk and Spock and I’m enjoying what’s going on with that.

Maybe a TVM/DTV like ‘Captain Worf’ could lead into sequels/spinoffs and eventually a series.

Even if Frakes has his own Telemovie, maybe it could be rewritten to tie in, so it could be like a loose series of films exploring aspects of the Trekverse POST-NEMESIS. That would be great, however it would probably render the books/games definetly not canon. The only thing would be rebuildin the 24th Century sets, uniforms and props after it was all auctioned off.

C’mon CBS – please consider somee of these options

179. Phil K - May 28, 2012

Michael seems to be a nice bloke.
I know that he’s highly thought of by we Brits, more so than any other Star Trek characters apart from our own, like Patrick (a Northern English lad – like me !) and Marina (cockney…boo ! Hiss ! ;-)). More erudite than most, intelligence is more assumed with Hollywood types than actual fact – with Michael, he IS bright – and just an all round good bloke.
Like the idea of Worf being a terrorist chaser for the Federation. Just model them on the fanatic terrorists that infest the west (univited) in OUR time line…..

180. James Cannon - Runcorn Trekkie UK - May 28, 2012

Can anyone confirm what ‘ramming speed’ actually is?

We have a discussion going on at work where NO one knows what it would be. As Kirk said, “the odds are against us in a situation this grim…” so you have no choice but to ‘ram’ the opposing ship.

However, if your helmsman said: “what speed is that Captain?” What would you say?

181. Jerry Modene - May 28, 2012

It all boils down to CBS – and from everything I keep hearing, the guy who runs CBS hates science fiction and has absolutely no intention of putting any SF on his network. They are more than content to make money off the old reruns and new blu-rays and stuff.

The ironic thing, of course, is that CBS is the network that turned down Star Trek back in the 60’s – preferring instead (after picking GR’s brain) to go with Lost in Space.

182. Majicou - May 28, 2012

@180: Back in the days when naval ships fought each other primarily by ramming into each other with their reinforced bows, “ramming speed!” was a command to the oarsmen to row as fast as possible toward the target. When you consider that a starship has both fusion and matter/antimatter reactors on board and can accelerate to relativistic speeds, the result of ramming could be damned nasty for all concerned. Going at a high fraction of c could turn the ship into a serious kinetic weapon, so that’d work. As for warp speed, since that only moves space around the ship, things get a little fuzzier.
In any case, I’d say cranking up the impulse engines as high as they’ll go is a safe bet (although a suicidal act.)

183. Vultan - May 28, 2012

Ramming speed is where the big man beats the drum as fast as he can and Charlton Heston rows as fast as he can.

A tiresome process for all involved.

184. singularity87 - May 28, 2012

He was in such heavy make up as Worf that he’d have no issue at all playing an unrelated character. Keating on the other hand was far too prominent.

185. James Cannon - Runcorn Trekkie UK - May 28, 2012

#183 …. I like your style… :-)

186. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - May 28, 2012

Angel wasnt canceled cause WB becoming the CW, it was canceled because Joss demanded an early renewal, because there was a decent uptick in the ratitings. the execs didnt want to rush to give the renewal, and Wheddon forced the execs hand who then the very next morning called back and said sorry, we arent going to give you a renewal.
If Joss had waited till May, everyone involved now says Angel would have gottten picked up. the execs even said that it was a mistake to cancel the show, but they felt pushed into a corner.

As for enterprise it had nothing to do with the demise of UPN and creation CW either. I really enjoyed Enterprise and Buffy, but neither show was canceled due to the creation of CW.

187. NCM - May 28, 2012

Get thee all to “The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel”! Not just for seniors, RDR! My teen daughter had been eager to see it and was surprised to find that she and I were the only people in the theater under 60. I’d thought the trailer was funny, but suspected the film would fly a bit too over the top for my taste. Well, it teetered there a couple of times, but I never expected to enjoy it as much as I did.

Like Cocoon in the 80’s, this film puts seniors center stage (imagine…!), but I don’t think that makes it a film solely for the elderly any more than Trek, with it’s 30-something cast, should be left to the young.

188. MJ - May 28, 2012

@186. Dude, do you actually admit to watching Angel? ;-)

189. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - May 28, 2012

I liked Angel, in fact i thought seasons 3-5 of Angel were better than anything we got in 7 seasons of buffy. ( i really enjoyed buffy fo so dont take that as a diss on BUFFy)

190. Christopher Roberts - May 29, 2012

Whatever happens, hopefully something will be developed in time to celebrate the 50th Anniversary of Sta Trek, in a little over four years’ time.

Personally I think it should be a mini-series or TV Movie, involving some characters from TNG, DS9 & VOY, some characters from ENT and whoever’s still around from TOS then.

191. Christopher Roberts - May 29, 2012

190. (correction) Star Trek


…officially the worst typo EVAAAAH!

192. Neal - May 29, 2012

I have always thought there could be some success doing T.V./ Direct-to-DVD movies based in the Next Generation era. Whether it be new characters or something like what Michael Dorn is suggesting and making a movie involving characters of the past. I’d like to see some stories about Riker and Titan. Hell, if were possible, the Enterprise. There have been T.V. movies recently that have had success. Best examples are the Jesse Stone movies with Tom Selleck. They have all had great stories, great acting, and have been highly successful. Doing Trek based movies would be great for Sy-Fy, since it is suppose to be a Science Fiction channel. As long as the writing is solid, it can work. Plenty of fans will get behind if it is done right, plain and simple.

193. Damian - May 29, 2012

I think it unlikely CBS will spring for any new Star Trek on TV, series, telemovies, direct to DVD or otherwise. They seem content to let Paramount have it’s run with the movies under Abrams.

I would say CBS is content to let the series run their courses through the novels. If there is any new Star Trek on TV, it’s probably likely it will not involve anyone from any of the prior series. It may take place in the same “prime universe” and use the existing series as a background for a new series. But something involving Worf or anyone else from that period, no, I doubt it.

The premise of Worf in command could be done, though. The novels have explained how Worf returned to Starfleet and is now First Officer of the Enterprise, so it’s not a stretch for him to be a captain somewhere down the road.

194. CLint - May 29, 2012

Instead of Worf, I’d rather see some Klingons. Worf was a human in a Klingon body that thought he had a clue about being Klingon: But didn’t.

We’ve seen Federation to death. They had to change the entire Star Trek time line with the last movie in order to give themselves a topography in which to write new stories. How can Dorn write stories that will interleave with a new timeline that hasn’t yet been written?

In the end, its still the feddies and their beaurocratic ways.

Give me a show that explores some REAL new territory: Life aboard a Klingon vessel protecting Klingon outposts while passing through Human and alien space stations, seeing Humans as the aliens. Klingons are a fully realized society with artists, engineers, politicians, soldiers… But history and customs that are completely new. He could write in a truly creative way and never conflict with the official time line. Changing the perspective on seeing our own ways through the eyes of outsiders would be the work of a good story teller and provide ample opportunity for both levity and conflict through a lack of understanding.

But I doubt Dorn is up to that challenge. I just needs a new income stream to keep his private fighter jet(s) fueled and being the shrink on Castle isn’t getting that done. I’m old enough to remember when this guy would agree to come to conventions then just “no show, no call” because he had something better to do. He used to think he could abuse his fans that way. Some of us still remember.

195. Damian - May 29, 2012

194– I think Dorn was talking about writing a story within the “prime” timeline, not based on the new Abrams timeline.

An interesting idea, though. Some of the novels have ventured into Klingon-centric stories. However, Gene Roddenberry had always insisted Star Trek be told from a human point of view. Deep Space Nine came the closest to using someone else’s point of view, but it was still largely human-centric.

196. Jonathon Mirza - May 29, 2012

“Can anyone confirm what ‘ramming speed’ actually is?”

ramming speed is a velocity used to push one veachle out of the way, while at the same time causing considrable damage. The exact speed can range from 1mph – [900]t^~mpt ([900]that can be as many digits after the 9 as you want to put, and mpt would stand for miles per time hours as apoused to miles per hours)

So basicaly what this means is once the veachele is at ramming speed it is traviling at 18,000 miles per houre, per second.

the link explains how this works.

197. Flake - May 29, 2012

I am totally for this happening. I want new 24th century prime Trek.


I am absolutely not interested in low budget stuff like we got from ‘Of Gods and Men’ and New Voyages. I hope he isn’t forced down that route.

He must get full backing from the studio and make sure he puts together as many of the old behind the scenes team from the tv shows (1987-2005) as possible to ensure everything looks great. He could even get Frakes to direct. Make it so, Mr Worf.

198. Ange of AussieLand - May 30, 2012

Look deep in your hearts and ask yourself this……. Dont you miss it?? Don’t you miss getting excited to see a new ep? For most of us its like seeing family. Don’t get me wrong I love the re runs as much as the next person but to see new trek is just exciting!

Even seing Bruce Boxleitner in Tron made me think I wish there were more Sheridan Bab5 eps to watch.

If it needs money to get moving I’ll put my money where my mouth is and if you think theres nothing good to watch on tv then so should you.
There is so little true space scifi out there. Wheres the love people!!

199. mcrobie - May 30, 2012

if this movie is made it might use as pilot for new series.

200. Z3R0B4NG - May 30, 2012

i didn’t buy a BluRay player for ST2009,
for a Worf Movie… i totally would!

201. alec grimes - May 30, 2012

Definately would support all parties involved with my cash if Micheal Dorn gets this movie made. I like the idea of him and his crew chasing terriorist. Almost like the U.S. going after Al-keda type terrorists. Prehaps a civilian hotspot is attacked, many dead (9/11) and the federation dispatches a ship to hunt these guys down…black ops like section 7 was it?

202. alec grimes - May 30, 2012

@194. CLint … Clint, I thought about a klingon series myself. Bringing in New ones and prehaps having worf as a leader/ or whatnot. It would be cool to focus on something other than the federation.

203. Sybok - May 30, 2012

Make it a digital download for $9.99 on iTunes or Amazon and I’d buy it!

204. mcrobie - May 31, 2012

why there is no new star trek series it is both CBS and jj Abram fault. i don’t think that if there was new star trek series it would not be on syfy because CBS and paramount don’t the syfy channel. at sdame time i hope Mr Dorn succeed but i doubt it. why CBS and paramount don’t create there own weekly star trek web series on star trek.com . to test out possibility of a new series

205. MJ - June 2, 2012

@176 “no, what cancelled Star Trek: Enterprise was the then impending consolidation of UPN and The WB into The CW. Star Trek: Enterprise was UPN’s sacrificial lamb, while Buffy spinoff Angel was The WB’s.”

Hogwash. If the ratings were good enough for the show to make money, it would have continued in syndication.

206. Jennifer - June 21, 2012

Let me just say, while I enjoyed the new Star Trek movie in 2009 as an action flick, it didn’t feel like Star Trek to me. I appreciated the few bits they put in there for the old school fans, but I wanted more. That said, I grew up watching TNG and DS9 before I ever watched my first episode of TOS. While I like all of the series and movies, (I know I’ll catch some flack for admitting to that later,) DS9 is my absolute favorite Star Trek. A major part of why I loved Deep Space Nine was the Worf and Jadzia Dax storyline.

Again, I’ll say I love all of the characters from all of the shows. They are all part of the Star Trek universe. Whether or not there is a new timeline started from the 2009 movie, there is room to go back and explore other things that were going on in the original timeline. I, for one, would love to see more stories from when Jadzia was still alive and courting and/or married to Worf. You could plug in the other characters from the other shows in the original timeline too.

The idea about having a weekly show only focusing on different character and set of stories would be cool too. That way Worf could have a show once per month, Riker could have a show once per month, Sulu could . . . you get the idea. I can’t speak for everyone, but I can certainly speak for myself. I would love to see more of any Star Trek!

I thought it wasn’t fair that the DS9 cast didn’t get to do a major film. I had always assumed it would happen, as it did with TNG cast. Anyone who is a writer and wants to write a tv episode, series, movie, and/or major motion picture, please, do so. I miss it when there is nothing new in the Star Trek universe.

Mr. Dorn, if you read this thread, please, do everything possible to make your show happen. Let everyone know how they can help out. If you’re willing to go through all of hours meetings, writing, and make-up, and filming to reprise your character, I’ll do whatever I can to see that it happens. Have a smiley day!

207. kiven - June 21, 2012

i would love to a see a new look and vision of klingons and the empire. every 10-20 years there has got tobe a new design change. the klingons in the 90s look gots to go! a new look with new ships and new empire. a more powerful empire! it gets all the syfy fans excited if you put the past in the past and create something sinister and evil, really klingons needs a total make over!

208. Maggie - June 23, 2012

Mr. Dorn is a great actor and he did a fantastic job in Star Trek. Worf is one of my all time favorite characters and the Worf/Jadzia romance one of the greatest love stories in Star Trek. I’m glad to know that Michael Dorn feels the same way about their relationship. I hope he get to make his movie but if not why not a series of novels about Captain Worf? He can pitch his ideas to pocket books, I’m sure they’ll be thrilled to have his name in their books. He can even find a way to bring Jadzia back, after all is a science fiction series Spock died and he came back. I would love to read the ongoing adventures of Captain Worf and Commander Jadzia Dax! Or at least a series of books set during the series where Jadzia is still alive and chronicle the unseen adventures of the couple.
Good luck with anything you do Mr. Dorn, you deserve it.

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