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Lindelof On Newly ‘Interconnected’ USS Enterprise Sets + ‘Iconic’ Cumberbatch Performance June 1, 2012

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Star Trek co-writer/producer Damon Lindelof is doing the rounds of press to promote Prometheus, which comes out next week. In a new interview Lindelof talks about one of the advantages they had by shooting on larger stages for the sequel. He also talked about the Benedict "iconic" performance. Watch the video interview below. [UPDATE: Lindelof in talks for WB deal to create new TV series]

 

Lindelof on the newly interconnected Enterprise sets & Benedict Cumberbatch

Damon Lindelof spoke to Collider from the set of Prometheus about the new Star Trek movie. Lindelof explains how shooting on the larger Sony stages helped them with making the film, specifically the Enterprise sets…

There’s certainly an instinct to just go bigger in the second movie and one of the things that we did was we connected all the sets, so you can just basically follow the actors off the bridge, into a turbo lift, down, walking through a plaza, into the med bay as opposed to [having to] cut every time you do that, because when we were shooting on the Paramount stages we just didn’t have the money to connect all the sets.

Lindelof also saying the praises of Benedict Cumberbatch:

"Benedict Cumberbatch, I can already say with a certain degree of confidence that he is gonna give an iconic film performance and one of the best sci-fi performances that I’ve ever seen. And not even having seen the movie yet, just sitting there in video village with the headphones on. So I’m really psyched.”

Watch the full video with more Trek and Prometheus…

TrekMovie also interviewed Lindelof on both Star Trek and Prometheus. Look for that interview soon.

UPDATE: Lindelof finalizing TV Deal With WB – To create new TV series

In other news on Damon Lindelof that broke later on Friday, the writer is reportedly in talks with Warner Brothers Television to create new TV shows. Since he finished up with Lost (a show he co-created with JJ Abrams) two years ago, Lindelof has been focused on films. Now he says he is ready to return to TV. By joining WB, Lindelof would be under the same umbrella as Abrams, who also has his TV deal with the studio.

As for what kind of shows we should expect from Damon at WB, first it wont be anythign to do with Star Trek. Not only is that a CBS property, but Lindelof has stated in the past that he is not interested in working on any other established franchises for TV work. More specifically he also appears to be leaning against heavy sci-fi. Here is an excerpt from the report in Deadline:

“I think certainly film-wise, I’m spaced out, I think I’ve got the robot-spaceship future bug out of my system.” On the TV side, “I probably won’t be the guy who creates the next Mad Men or Breaking Bad, though I love both of these shows,” he said. “What I love about television is character-based storytelling, and I want to continue to explore fantastical way of doing it where characters live in a world that is a little skewed.” But don’t expect a new Lost from him. “I won’t be the one that would come up with the next Lost,” Lindelof said, adding that he has no interest in doing more shows with “wackadoo mythology.”

More info at Deadline and THR.

Comments

1. WillH85 - June 1, 2012

I wish they would have connected an actual engineering set instead of using that stupid brewery.

2. Captain_Conrad - June 1, 2012

IT’S STAR TREK TWELVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THERE HAS ALREADY BEEN A TWO IT WAS CALLED WRATH OF KHAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

3. zillabeast - June 1, 2012

So are we getting a teaser trailer attached to Batman or what?

4. Battle-scarred Sciatica - June 1, 2012

Yep, drop the brewery and get a real warp core in there!

That would be a massive “interconnection” to my narrowed visual Star Trek perception. ;)

But hey, it’ll never happen…and why the frack should it!

5. Trektacular? - June 1, 2012

‘..best sci-fi performance I have ever seen..?’ Hmmm. Of course, the question to be asked is what performances have you seen? Is it fair to say that Cumberbatch’s performance will surpass everyone’s memory of the late-Ricardo Montalban’s Khan? Interesting, indeed. Sounds like the film will be Trektacular all right. :)

With all the money that was budgeted for the reboot, one would think that there was money to join the set pieces together like the TOS sets were. I know they struck those sets years ago since the future of Trek was an unknown at the time. I believe when they made TMP the sets were joined together.

As for ‘Prometheus,’ I am thoroughly looking forward to it in the next weeks. If only there was a Trek II teaser to go along with it…

6. Battle-scarred Sciatica - June 1, 2012

Oh, and cannot wait for Prometheus.

I am sure it’s going to be awesome.

7. njdss4 - June 1, 2012

These are the interviews I’m going to look back on after I’ve seen the next Trek movie and hopefully say “The hype was legit.” because right now they seem to be praising Cumberbatch an awful lot.

8. Jenna - June 1, 2012

I’ve been assuming given the Batch’s mad talent that this would be iconic and blow everyone’s mind (whatever character) so it’s nice to hear an insider say it so clearly. And no he is not just hyping the movie! There’s no reason to be that superlative if he didn’t really feel that way. And yeah I bet DL has seen his share of Sci Fi.

9. Basement Blogger - June 1, 2012

Yep, looking forward to Promethues. Looks smart. And it was shot in 3D. Getting tired of conversions. I must have seen thirty to forty 3D movies. and the best ones are those shot in 3D and not converted from 2D.

10. Gary 7 - June 1, 2012

So they moved all the sets from Paramount to the Budweiser plant?

11. china - June 1, 2012

Cumebrbatch is a great actor. The praise was what I expected. Any fan of his work knows he’ll blow everyone away with his performance.

12. Neumann - June 1, 2012

Can we PLEASE stfu about the brewery? Whine whine whine. After all hat fake background bull in the Star Wars movies, I’ll pick a real location liek that any time. And if you saw the concept art for the CGI engineering, you knowit wasn’t much better.

Besides, it’s hardly original: Red Dwarf and Doctor Who shot a lot in refineries and factories, and heck, they shot the inside of one of the giant robots in Power Rangers in a battleship.

13. porthoses bitch - June 1, 2012

If i leave trek out of the equation…great sci fi performances…Micheal Rennie in tdess…Siqounie in Alien….Chris Reeve in Superman…seems most great sci fi is a group effort.

14. BrF - June 1, 2012

At some point I expect Abrams and Co. to get so tired of hearing about the brewery that they push back and start filming their engine room sequences in, say, an old linotype shop. It would have a certain charm.

15. THX-1138 - June 1, 2012

#12

But the brewery set sucks. It looks like a brewery. It has vats of beer. It doesn’t look industrial or futuristic. If they had shot the engineering scenes in a more scientific looking facility they might have pulled it off.

But it’s a brewery. And it looks like a brewery. Did I mention the vats of beer?

16. Dee - lvs moon' surface - June 1, 2012

Great Trekmovie guys… I’m waiting for the interviews…

….. I WANT to see Captain Kirk wearing his yellow… WOW… ;-) :-)

17. MvRojo - June 1, 2012

I love when movies have extended shots without any cuts in them. It can make the scene more interesting rather that cutting back and forth so many times.

18. CaptRobau - June 1, 2012

The crew walks through a plaza, which connects to the med bay (aka sickbay). What the hell does he mean with a shipboard plaza.

19. MFrazi - June 1, 2012

Lots of gr8, interesting, intriguing talk of the next release. Waiting not so patiently for its release. Sure, were not aware of ‘characters’ that will be portrayed in this one either, but isn’t that always true? Will Kahn be involved, or maybe a decendant of equal or near genetic bad assivness? I’ll settle for a reminder of the release date again for now.

20. James - June 1, 2012

I was somewhat blown away when i found out they were on the Sony (former MGM in Culver City) lot to shoot Trek. With the exception of the original pilots I do believe every Trek was shot at Paramount. However the original was shot in Culver City, so it';s come full circle…

21. JR - June 1, 2012

Star Trek 2: The Wrath of the Search for the Voyage Home

22. A Fan - June 1, 2012

Anyone having any doubts about Cumberbatch’s talent apparently hasn’t seen him in the BBC’s updated Sherlock (Holmes) series… believe me HE CAN ACT!

23. VZX - June 1, 2012

Yeah, I’m sick of the brewery complaints as well.

But, I’m surprised no one is complaining about how they dropped the use of the name “sick bay.” Really! Every incarnation of Star Trek always called the medical area “sick bay” since the 60s, why did JJ stop using it? Lindelof just called it “med bay” above, and that just sucks. Eff you very much, too, JJ.

24. Azrael - June 1, 2012

Speak for yourself, I know plenty of Trekkers of more than 50 years of age who enjoyed the hell out ST09. I also know several who would tell you to leave them out of your opinions.

25. Red Dead Ryan - June 1, 2012

#23.

“Yeah, I’m sick of the brewery complaints as well.

But, I’m surprised no one is complaining about how they dropped the use of the name “sick bay”. Really! Every incarnation of Star Trek always called the medical area “sick bay” since the 60s, why did JJ stop using it? Lindelof just called it “med bay” above, and that just sucks. Eff you very much, too, J.J.”

I really hope you’re being sarcastic….because your post comes off as two-faced and uncalled for.

26. rm10019 - June 1, 2012

And 25 is the expert in those ;) I kid, I kid!

27. VZX - June 1, 2012

25, RDR: Yeah, you’re right. My Bad! It was too much. I blame it on the alcohol.

Wow I wish we could edit our posts!!!!

28. AJ - June 1, 2012

23:

And Chekhov used “Away Team” instead of “Landing Party” in ST09. It’s just one disaster after another! And where was the “No Smoking” sign in the Transporter Room? What were they thinking?

I’m holding Lindelof to the “iconic” Cumberbatch performance description. Cumberbatch is certainly gifted enough to pull it off.

29. dmduncan - June 1, 2012

Connecting the sets is genius.

30. VZX - June 1, 2012

OK, here’s a positive: It’s cool how the sets are actually connected. Anyone see the set lay-outs from TOS? The Art of Star Trek has many pics of the model Matt Jefferies did, and they actually had the sets connected! One could walk out of SICK Bay, walk down a corridor, and go into crew quarters or transporter room.

Of course, that pales in comparison to the promenade sets from DS9. Now those were majestic, and they were really connected!

31. The Unknown Poster - June 1, 2012

I have a thought. He’s not playing Khan but another super soldier who awakes before Khan and kills him.

32. MrScot - June 1, 2012

I’d tone down those expectations for Prometheus. Saw it today, baffling stuff, plot holes everywhere, and that’s the least of it’s problems. It does look good though. That might be fine for some but I think most Star Trek fans will come away with an empty feeling after seeing it.

33. CanOpener1256 - June 1, 2012

I wonder if they fixed those super turbo lifts that took you from the hanger deck to the bridge in 3 seconds. That bothered me most of all in Trek 2009. Again, how much thought was put into making the Enterprise feel “real”?

34. Jack - June 1, 2012

I like landing party. Never loved away team.

Not sure why, but not using sick bay didn’t bother me at all — and that surprised me (that I didn’t care, because I hold on to the past more than Will Loman). Medical Bay somehow sounded better to me, which is wierd. I wonder if they’ll have those dyson hand dryers in sickbay (or whereever) this time.

32. Prometheus comes with ridiculously high expectations. Was it watchable at least? Would it work as a stand alone flick if (I know, this is highly speculative) you had no Alien expectations and weren’t under the delusion that every single thing Ridley Scott makes is a masterpiece (no slagging Scott)?

I’ll say the unspeakable — but was the bigger part of what was great about Blade Runner just that we hadn’t seen anything that looked like it before. Yeah, yeah, it was about identity and all that — but it was really just a police procedural… (arguably). Alien was great — because it wasn’t treated like a run-of-the-mill slasher, and had terrific atmosphere… but…

35. Jack - June 1, 2012

33. CanOpener1256 – June 1, 2012

“I wonder if they fixed those super turbo lifts that took you from the hanger deck to the bridge in 3 seconds. That bothered me most of all in Trek 2009. Again, how much thought was put into making the Enterprise feel “real”?”

You’ve heard of the future, right?

Seriously, that was one of my favourite things ever — I’d been wanting to see a crazy fast turbolift since I was a kid.

36. Phil - June 1, 2012

Lets see, you have not seen the performance, but are calling it iconic. I sure hope we are not being fed a load of bulls**t here…..

37. Star Trek XII: So Very Tired - June 1, 2012

@2 Currently, my favorite Star Trek XII is Star Trek XII: So Very Tired. I think Star Trek 2 (XII) will change that.

38. Chingatchkook - June 1, 2012

There’s one upside to having engineering in a brewery…a very happy engineering staff…

39. Phil - June 1, 2012

@15. In your opinion, it sucks, just like in my opinion, it’s fine. Even if everything in the Trek universe came out of a replicator, you still need the magic box itself, storage tanks for the raw material it uses, and a big ole hunking power generator for all the power it will take to convert last nights captains log into this mornings breakfast. Silly me for assuming that the Enterprise is a self contained biosphere, and they recycle everything. And a means of conveyance to get all this stuff from one place to another. I guess i just described pipes and tanks and machines….how bout that.

40. Phil - June 1, 2012

@12 Speak it, brother!! Could not agree more!!!!!

41. TrekTech - June 1, 2012

Im sorry but IMHO ANYONE who defends the brewery is merely an apologist. It was horribly out of place and looked exactly like what it was. It was a lazy decision based on lack of money not some stroke of ‘creative genius’. The Emperor has no Engineering set…it is merely a godawful brewery. Intelligent discourse is one thing but trying to justify a clearly poor choice indicates a lack of critical thinking. Dont apologize ask for better! from the space nazi costumes its apparent that the design on this movie is going to be just as haphazard and off the mark as the last one. I trust the performances will make up for the productions lack of a grasp on what Trek traditionally looks like.

42. Red Dead Ryan - June 1, 2012

I don’t like the brewery either, but there’s no use in complaining about it. J.J is doing what he thinks works best whether we agree with it or not. There was plenty of the last movie that I did like so I was able to get over my disdain for the brewery.

43. SherlockFangirl - June 1, 2012

NEINER NEINER NEINER!!!! I SAW A MINDNIGHT SHOWING OR PROMETHEUS!!!

*ahem*

Foolishness will now cease. It was most awesome. Messers. Scott, Lindelof and Spathis, another please.

44. Captain_Conrad - June 1, 2012

@37

Correction, I mean this is Star Trek XIII. lol

New trailer for Star Trek II is out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vBpwPfW1Lsw

45. saavik001 - June 1, 2012

39 – Yeah, the old matter reclamation or waste extraction jobs for all the knuckle draggers below decks… But as soon as we can figure out how to turn shite into gold the skys the limit. lol

46. Punkspocker - June 1, 2012

Go Cumberfreak! Win us an oscar!

47. No Khan - June 1, 2012

Awesome!

48. No Khan - June 1, 2012

@44. Nice trailer. I hope not.

49. Dee - lvs moon' surface - June 1, 2012

Well, Chris Pine and Alex Kurtzman were in Chicago today promoting the film “People Like Us” … and Alex said they finished filming Star Trek 2 … but then he corrected for the “next Star Trek” … ;-) :-)

here:

http://windycitylive.com/episodes/Chris-Pine-and-Alex-Kurtzman/8685084

50. NCM - June 1, 2012

Yeah, Lindelof. Looking forward to an ‘iconic’ sci. fi. performance and to seeing Kirk in his yellows.

51. Jack - June 1, 2012

I liked the brewery. A little better dressing would have helped, but.

“I trust the performances will make up for the productions lack of a grasp on what Trek traditionally looks like.”

I hate this sort of nonsense. They’ve seen Trek. We’ve seen Trek. So what?

52. sundae shields - June 1, 2012

@ 2. Amen, brother! I hate when they call it ST 2.

53. tribblesinthedark - June 1, 2012

SALIVATING!!!

54. Captain Kirk Douglas - June 1, 2012

It’s gonna be huge…

55. tribblesinthedark - June 1, 2012

Okay, I breathed a little after the “iconic performance” comment. Hope that they don’t over hype it though.

56. HT - June 1, 2012

So if the next Star Trek movie is number 2, does that make the next James Bond film “Skyfall” James Bond 3, because it’s the third film with Daniel Craig, even though it’s the 23rd Bond film overall?

57. Majicou - June 1, 2012

Is Damon being interviewed by his mirror-universe counterpart in that thumbnail?

58. Colin - June 1, 2012

I am puzzled by the reference to a plaza. Do you think he means a rec room with trees that resembles a planetary location?

59. Ahmed - June 1, 2012

The media should stop calling it Star Trek 2 & follow IMDB example & call it “Untitled Star Trek Sequel” until Paramount release the official title.

60. Bonnie - June 1, 2012

You can always tell the people who haven’t seen Benedict. This is one of the great actors of our time (or any time) and so any role that he is going to do he is going to do it right. Not just the great Sherlock Holmes but Van Gogh and Hawking and To The Ends of the Earth, 3rd Star & of course Frankenstein on stage. He can also sing, paint and write. He cares about what he does and how things turn out and dislikes “mediocrity”. And with all that people who work with him love working with him because he’s “a cool guy” and he’s fun.
He is one of those people who will live up to the hype and beyond it.
He has already made his “Sherlock” the Iconic Sherlock of our time. Might as well add another to his list.

61. alkaseltzer - June 1, 2012

To be fair he is quite iconic in that Sherlock show.

62. eunuelle - June 1, 2012

I was wondering though what the reactions of the writers/producers were when Eric Bana was cast in 09? Was he praised like this too? Must be a good comparison.

63. borjy - June 1, 2012

SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!

64. skylar - June 1, 2012

Is that Damon Lindelof interviewing Damon Lindelof? :O

65. simon - June 1, 2012

In Lindelof’s taste I trust!

66. Ahmed - June 1, 2012

Lindelof is a great storyteller except for the crappy “Lost” finale, and it will be interesting to see how Prometheus will perform next week.

67. DiscoSpock - June 1, 2012

36. Phil – June 1, 2012
” Lets see, you have not seen the performance, but are calling it iconic. I sure hope we are not being fed a load of bulls**t here…..”
***
If you’re addressing this to Lindelof’s comments, you should read more carefully. He didn’t say he hasn’t seen Cumberbatch’s performance. He said he hasn’t seen the completed movie, instead having watched it from the “video village.” You see, it’s possible to watch a performance AS it’s happening, ya know, and to see it through the video monitors, all without seeing the finished movie because…well, it hasn’t been finished yet. But the performance HAS been finished, and Lindelof saw it and said it’s iconic.

68. LizardGirl - June 1, 2012

Iconic performance? Go bigger than the last movie? Sounds truly epic, especially knowing the talent involved.
******
Sorry but it’s Sick Bay and Landing Party. I won’t be annal about the use of Medical Bay or Away Team but in my heart it will always be the former.

The plaza could be: A.) Rec Room B.) the Bridge? [ridiculous but I'm saying it anyways] C.) some newly introduced work area/center D.) some sort of assembly area?

69. pi_neutrino - June 1, 2012

I didn’t mind the brewery all that much. Abrams and his team ran out of budget and needed a place, on the cheap, that to the untrained eye, looked much more like raw grunty engineering tech than the Apple-store-ish rest of the ship. Sure, it wasn’t all that amazing, but it could have been much worse.

70. Keachick - rose pinenut - June 1, 2012

It still *amazes* me how people moan about a brewery being used to simulate an engineering section of a futuristic starship and then demand a proper warp core…

Honestly, do some of you realise just how insane that sounds?

Apologists who have a lack of critical thinking? Give it a rest, please.

71. Keachick - rose pinenut - June 1, 2012

Dee has come through, as usual, with giving us a link to a lovely interview with Chris Pine and Alex Kurtzman. Thank you.

Great stuff. Can’t wait to see the movie, if only I knew when…

72. johnbijl - June 1, 2012

@70

Indeed. I imagine someone from the 23rd century looking at photos from an 21st centry brewery at saying ‘hey that looks just like a warp core!’

73. Keachick - rose pinenut - June 1, 2012

I assume that the performances from the other (main) actors are (almost?) as good as Benedict Cumberbatch’s. After all, Benedict Cumberbatch is not a one-man show.

BTW, what does an engineering section actually contain? I seem to remember seeing three sections of what people are referring to as “Engineering”. One seemed to be the water cooling/recycling systems, the huge containers (vats) containing ? and at the end of the movie a different section where you see Scotty ejecting the warp cores. They are NOT in the same part of the ship, although they are very likely next to each other.

74. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - June 2, 2012

9 you do realize that even movies shot natively in 3D have a number of sequences that they have no choice but to do conversion work on right?

75. Jackson Lake - June 2, 2012

I’m confused. I want this to be a good movie. I also want Benedict Cumberbatch to be good in it. Are we not wanting that now? I thought this was a Star Trek site. Do we not want Star Trek to continue now?

The worst thing about Star Trek (or any popular series for that matter) is the fans.

76. Capt. of the U.S.S. Anduril - June 2, 2012

Everyone griping about the brewery really doesn’t understand how things are going to work on a vessel of that size and complexity. The ship has to have life support and gravity for over 400 people. There’s also the food processors which use raw material to emulate, say, a chicken sandwich and coffee. Then there’s the water supply, waste reclamation, and recycling of both. And that’s before even getting to the propulsion systems, not to mention the power for deflectors, shields, weapons, and sensors.

77. Buzz Cagney - June 2, 2012

#76 but why do they need a brewery? :-p

78. Buzz Cagney - June 2, 2012

#70 yea, come one everybody, give it a rest. Keachick is fed up with it so thats that for the complaints about the crappy Engineering sets.

I’m going to move on from that, as requested. My next real concern is why does Kirk have to be so skinny and weedy now?

79. Phil123 - June 2, 2012

the shakiness of the Prometheus script is making my worry about ST2. the last one was great, I loved it, but the script was the weak point.

80. china - June 2, 2012

As someone who was annoyed when Cumberbatch’s excellent scenes were cut to shreds in The Other Boleyn Girl as Eric Bana pranced about as Henery VIII I’m going to enjoy seeing him do a much better job as the baddie in Trek than Bana could ever pull off.

When you see the deleted scenes in the Other Boleyn girl the best scenes are Cumberbatch’s so I;m glad he;s making his name now so that nonsense doesnt happen again.

81. Stunkill - June 2, 2012

OMG! medbay instead of sickbay, away team instead of landing party, ultrafast turbolifts. Why do some of you people nitpick about the most unimportant things, its absolutely rediculous, and please give me a fricken break!

82. Keachick - rose pinenut - June 2, 2012

#78 – Obviously you have not read all the posts on this thread. Post #12 expressed being tired of reading all the complaints about engineering and others agreed, including me. I guess I should be flattered that you singled me out for your *special* comments.

The young alt Kirk is neither skinny nor weedy. He is tall, well toned and of a lean, narrow body shape. Perfect, just as he is, with all his *faults*…

83. Aaron - June 2, 2012

Seems we heard similar things about Heath Ledgers Joker in Dark Knight before the film was released. And yes, he delivered. You know I didn’t even know it was a brewery until I heard later. Of course I don’t drink so I don’t spend a lot of time sight seeing to know what the local brewery looks like. I will say I thought the engineering sets needed more fleshing out which they (I thought) already confirmed they would be doing for this movie. But… I had know idea it was a brewery. I think that is a downside of spoilers. You hear ahead of time brewery and then your watching for it more and it jumps out more. I hear Cumberbatch is supposed to be awesome… I will be watching, hopefully that jumps out more too.

84. Stunkill - June 2, 2012

Maybe the laser fusion facility they filmed at in california will be the engine room. It would be cool if it was but it wouldnt bother me if they used the brewery again.

85. Kirk, James T. - June 2, 2012

at number 2: oh shut it, it’s Star Trek 2 of a new incarnation. Wrath of Khan will always be there so just chill.

I’m looking forward to this, gonna be massive – Star Trek and Man of Steel and the second Hobbit film will probably be the biggest movies of 2013.

86. aix - June 2, 2012

Yeah, I didn’t realize it was a brewery either.

87. El Chup - June 2, 2012

Am I the only one slightly bothered by the idea of connected sets? This Enterrise is supposed to be twice as big as the prime universe version and on that version it’s take you multiple decks and turbolifts to get to somewhere like sickbay.

Now everything is just a corridor or two away?

88. Anthony Thompson - June 2, 2012

Star Trek 2 is going to be a mind blowing, face melting, blindingly brilliant film with an iconic performance by hot new actor Benedict Cumberbatch! WOW! Can it live up to all this hype?

89. Remington Steele - June 2, 2012

Seriously, when are we gonna get and official:

Name
Poster
Character photo
Teaser Trailer
Plot synopsis

I love the secrecy element during filming but it’s time to find out something…ANYTHING about the movie

90. mynameschris - June 2, 2012

I wish people would get over and move on from the whole brewery thing, the concept of the warp core(s) is much closer to the look of the original engineering set…why do I get the impression the people moaning about it just want a glowie cylindrical chamber running up the decks.

I like that they have connected the sets, hopefully it will have allowed them to create some good visuals when filming.

91. Douglas - June 2, 2012

#57 and #64. That’s really funny. Thanks. I was thinking similar things.

92. William Kirk - June 2, 2012

It is Star Trek 2. The Khan movie was Star Trek II. JJ-trek is a reboot, so it is logical to call it Star Trek 2, not XII, it is not a sequel.

93. Elias Javalis - June 2, 2012

More money is good. More space battles is better!!

94. VZX - June 2, 2012

91: I agree. But even Orci has referred to it as “ST12″ . But then we saw that crew hat with the huge number 2 on it.

But, yeah, I agree to call it Star Trek 2 since we can differentiate it from Star Trek II.

BUT: I doubt the majority of the fan base or even the general movie-going public would agree, so I doubt Paramount would allow it. The media would be like “They already made a Star Trek 2″ and then JJ would have to defend it by saying “No, Star Trek II came out in 1982, this one is called Star Trek 2! It’s not a Roman numeral so it’s different!” I think JJ would get tired of explaining it.

95. Al - June 2, 2012

Prometheus is out in the UK. And sorry, but it is a disappointment in almost every way

96. Bonnie - June 2, 2012

Don’t rem. who but someone on the movie said they were watching on the monitors and no matter which angle Benedict was seen in he was “magnetic”.
Of course everyone in the movie is good – its just this is the “villian” and everyone wants to know how they’re going to be. Good point that was made was Ledger as the Joker.
Chris Pine said they were lucky to have him on the movie. JJ said his test for this was one of the best he had ever seen. Spielberg called him to testfor War Horse and this was before “Sherlock” – who he later saw and said Ben was the greatest screen Sherlock ever.
And he can do comedy as well as drama.
The only thing that will stop the questioning is the actual movie being out.
Oh yes and of course there will be another focus on a character of his – the motion capture & voice of Smaug – most likely mainly in the 2nd part. At Comic-Con last year they had a lot of when will we see the Dragon talk.
As they have said about Trek 2 with the first one they had to do the meetings and with this they start off running.

97. Norbert - June 2, 2012

Thank you #91. I 100% agree to that one!

98. chrisfawkes.com - June 2, 2012

I’m hoping for trailer with Batman. Unless it’s Khan, don’t drop that just before i have to see something else i’ve been waiting too long for, t,would ruin the experience.

99. drum-van - June 2, 2012

@89

may 2013. not soon enough?

100. Mark Lynch - June 2, 2012

No offense, but the TOS sets were interconnected.
This isn’t groundbreaking stuff.

101. Vultan - June 2, 2012

#94

Sorry to hear Prometheus is a disappointment. From the reviews I’ve read, it sounds like it has a good setup and good visuals but hurt by bad dialogue and a sloppy second half. Can’t say I’m surprised though—for two reasons:

1. Damon
2. Lindelof

102. Enterprisingguy - June 2, 2012

89. Remington Steele – June 2, 2012

Seriously, when are we gonna get and official:

Name
Poster
Character photo
Teaser Trailer
Plot synopsis

——————————-

I agree. The movie is only 11 months away. and there’s still no title.

If this movie hadn’t been moved to next spring it would normally be out in 5-6 months. Yet no one knows what it’s called. What are they waiting for? How much of a spoiler could it be unless it’s called “STAR TREK 2: Kirk dies at the end again”?

JJ had better start promoting this movie soon. I’d hate to see his well known love of secrecy turn this into the next JOHN CARTER. That was a perfect example of a movie that was good but flopped financially because no one had a clue about it until it came out.

103. Elias Javalis - June 2, 2012

@99 True, big deal if they re interconnected, and if they werent, star trek 2009 bridge shots were just fine..:)

I would be happy with a new shuttle bay…

104. Woulfe - June 2, 2012

AP – Engineering to be filmed at CERN causes conCERN with fans

Would that be a better headline in the future ?

;-)

105. striker - June 2, 2012

Just a thought about the “brewery” engineering set. I believe in the first movie the Enterprise was launched a bit more quickly than they had anticipated, meaning that perhaps the engineering section wasn’t fully finished. They might be able to take this approach with the upcoming movie in explaining how engineering looks different now. They had time to finish the ship as it was supposed to be and a lot of those “guts” in engineering have now been appropriately covered up.

106. Jack - June 2, 2012

Actually, the Prometheus reviews on RT are mostly good.

There’s a fun one where the author praises the movie for resurrecting the plot of Star Trek V.

And please ignore my earlier musings on Prometheus — I hate when people have opinions on movies they haven’t seen, also dislikecomments that begin with “I haven’t seen it yet, but I think…”

101. It will be promoted like crazy.

107. Jack - June 2, 2012

I tend to think that a lot of this little tidbit stuff is a complete waster of time. The over thinking and speculating on this movie is absolutely stupid. I am a fan of the franchise and I have at times loved and other times…not so much. I appreciate what JJ and and those guys have done. They took established mythos and turned them on their head and in the process preserved the identity of what came before. I loved the first film and I am looking forward to the new one. I dont need every quote and pic. I dont need speculation. Its cool to be surprised. When the first 09 Trek came out I stayed off the internet because I knew that obsessive nerds and geeks would ruin it. I intend to do the same thing again. Christopher Nolan has not revealed anything about Dark Knight Rises outside of the posters clips etc. There is still no clarity on what the film is about. He could give a damn about obsessive fanboys. I am glad JJ is sharing that sentiment.

Alot of this is just plain stupid. Im sorry. Report something when there is actually something to report.

108. Jack - June 2, 2012

104. Why would they need to be covered up?

109. LizardGirl - June 2, 2012

I too didn’t know Engineering was a brewery (also not much of a drinker so that’s probably why). I think it looks kind of cool.

@89 & 101
I’m on the same page as you guys. I’m all for not completely spoiling the movie, but this is kind of radical. At least a title please or does that count as a spoiler?

I think a big opportunity was missed. If they had a trailer, no, a teaser even, previewing The Avengers, then billions of people would’ve been wise to the sequel. There’s still The Dark Knight Rises and The Amazing Spider Man that will definitely bring in the crowds. But they have to take advantage!

The time for secrecy is over. The movie has been shot, no one’s trying to break into top secret sets. Please, JJ and company, won’t you come out of hiding and give us a brief interview?

110. Jack - June 2, 2012

We have two Jacks.

111. LizardGirl - June 2, 2012

Again, I’m not saying blow the whole thing wide open and share EVERYTHING, but most movies have a least a title.

I don’t even want to know the plot! I can guess that it’ll take place on a starship in space. There’s a captain and his crew, maybe some Klingons.

Many of the reports I read are like bits of a puzzle, intriguing but not quite fulfilling (I guess a little is better than nothing though). I’m trying to collect them a make a picture but it’s not working! I’m a visual person, I need to SEE something official, not “reportedly”, “possibly”, or “may very well be”!!!

112. AJ - June 2, 2012

108:

Lizardgirl

I agree, that now’s the time to start letting on that the film is actually a year away. The current level of secrecy is amazing, and JJ should get a high-five and an ice-cream for succeeding to such an extent, but soon, it will be damaging to the franchise if we are not saturated with amazing spots and trailers. ‘Avengers’ did it, ‘Hobbit’s’ done it, ‘Prometheus’ has as well (results TBD).

ST09 grossed almost $400m world-wide which is chump change compared to where they want it to be. Many have forgotten ST09 because of the delay (Paramount seems to have a problem with this…look at the ‘GI Joe’ disaster), and new potential viewers, especially overseas, need to be motivated to see the film right now.

113. CarlG - June 2, 2012

“…follow the actors off the bridge, into a turbo lift, down, walking through a plaza, into the med bay …”

They added a PLAZA to the Enterprise? A PLAZA!!!!?! Oh my God, THIS IS A DISASTER!!!one1! Have you no respect for sacred CANON?

114. DeShonn Steinblatt - June 2, 2012

105.

Prometheus is indeed mostly good. Primarily due to the characterization and not the visuals, which meander a bit and seem more concerned with getting a cool shot than visual coherence.

You have to understand where Vultan is coming from. Lindeloff was peripherally involved in a reboot from 2009.

115. It All Started With a Big Bang - June 2, 2012

Ok, I’m tired of the bitching about the brewery/ engineering. Let’s think about this for a minute. What is a warp core? Simply put, it’s a particle accelerator. Just like the ones scientists use today. Magnetic fields are used to steer subatomic particles (be it matter or antimatter) into colliding with one another. The large hadron collider does it that way, so did the Tevatron at Fermilab, before they shut it down, and this basic principle is entirely in line with how the workings of the warp core have always been described. The only difference is the lack of dilithium crystals to channel the energy into usable form for your warp engines.

Now, all of those who bitch about the brewery/engineering set please Google some images of real life particle accelerators! They look an awful lot like the Budweiser brewery with all manner of pipes, conduits, nuts and bolts (you name it) festooned about in a seemingly random fashion. To my eye it actually adds a level a believability to use a location that looks like a real life machine that does, basically, the same thing as the fictional machine it’s meant to portray.

I get the impression that the warp core that you Budweiser plant haters want is the cheesy neon lights encased in a very obviously splatter painted hunk of fiber glass. Sure it kinda looked cool back in 1987, when I was nine, and gave an intuitive sense of how the thing was supposed to work but it doesn’t look real. It looks like neon lights and fiberglass. Long live the Budweiser plant engineering I say.

116. Daoud - June 2, 2012

Heck, look at the TOS engineering sets, which were far superior to anything that came after really…. a real-looking control room, something dangerous behind a grill, with lots of pipes, ladders, colors, blinking lights… oh wait… TOS’s engineering looked a little like a brewery!

117. THX-1138 - June 2, 2012

The brewery sucked. I could not care less whether my complaining about it bothers a single living soul. Not a single f**k is given.

I am so happy that many people find the brewery to be an excellent example of a hypothetical starship power plant. It pleases me to no end that many folks don’t have any idea what a brewery looks like. I read with fascination as others give a typed dissertation on how a make-believe warp core would function or look.

But, in my opinion and apparently mine alone, the brewery sucked. And so did the bar-code scanners. I am the only person alive who found them distracting and dumb looking.

I shall now cast myself upon the mercies of the truly tolerant Star Trek fans and take my justly deserved berating.

Nah, just kidding. I still don’t give a frak.

118. Robert - June 2, 2012

A thirty-second advertisement for a one-minute-and-thirty-second video? Come on, guys!

119. THX-1138 - June 2, 2012

I don’t know if this link will work but I’ll give it a shot. BSG had an FTL engine room that looked mechanical and futuristic all at once. And I’m pretty sure it was all set extension and CGI stuff. Of course, they mentioned spinning it up and so it mechanically moved. You wouldn’t necessarily have to do the same thing with the Enterprise’s but I much prefer this aesthetic, from a TV show, no less:

http://forums.syfy.com/index.php?showtopic=2324040

120. Phil - June 2, 2012

@115. Again, agreed. And this does not make me an apologist. If we think about this, most of the functions on a vessel will fall under engineering. Propulsion (FTL and sub light), Power (running this stuff takes electricity) Life Support (atmospheric and water), Weapons (beam and projectile), Tech (computers, command and control), waste management (recycling), and sanitation (what, they don’t pee in the 23rd century), to name a few. All these systems will require machinery, power, raw materials, and a means of conveyance. Because Enterprise is a closed biosphere, energy use will be conserved whenever possible, so please don’t suggest that my glass of water will be beamed into my hand whenever I want one. I can understand someone having a gripe about artistic vision, but to suggest that I’m an apologist because I don’t agree with your vision that all the functions of the ship can be handled out of a plexiglass box with a couple of glowing tubes on it is just insulting.

121. Phil - June 2, 2012

@119. Hey, the actual warp drive is safely tucked away in the nacelles. I don’t actually have to see them there, or to the casual fan, they don’t even need to know about it. I’m good with that. For such a vital part of the ship, I do tend to wonder why it isn’t protected better….

122. THX-1138 - June 2, 2012

OK, how about this. Scroll down to see what Ryan Church originally designed for the ST09 Engine room. Far superior to the brewery:

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=131150

123. THX-1138 - June 2, 2012

#121

OK, this is all make-believe. But the warp drive is in the engine room. The warp field coils are in the nacelles.

124. Winkie - June 2, 2012

I’ve seen Prometheus, and I’m happy for other people who enjoyed it.

I sat throught it mostly slack-jawed with disbelief at how drivellingly stupid the story was – a nonsensical plot, illogical character motivation and behaviour and bad dialogue.
And a red-matter-esque macguffin in the form of black goo.

What a pile of… only saved by great visuals and a knock-out performance from Fassbender.

If the next Trek is anything like as dumb as this, I… don’t know, I give up.

125. Vultan - June 2, 2012

#114

I don’t think Lindelof is a good writer. That’s where I coming from.
Thanks for trying.

And I did list the common positives and negatives with Prometheus. Unfortunately, the script seems to be one of the latter. But again, not surprising.

126. dmduncan - June 2, 2012

Can’t wait to see Prometheus to make up my own mind. I’m jazzed after all the featurettes.

127. Ahmed - June 2, 2012

@101. Vultan – June 2, 2012
#94
Sorry to hear Prometheus is a disappointment. From the reviews I’ve read, it sounds like it has a good setup and good visuals but hurt by bad dialogue and a sloppy second half. Can’t say I’m surprised though—for two reasons:

1. Damon
2. Lindelof”

Prometheus is coming out next Friday here in Calgary, heard about the mixed reviews but will give it a try anyway.

If it turned out to be bad because of the script, then will have a problem at our hand since Lindelof co-wrote Star Trek script.

128. MJ - June 2, 2012

Lindelof is a very good writer. He is able to add maturity and depth to the teenagerish stuff that Orci and Kurtzman come up with, which is not easy.

Before anyone responds , let’s see Prometheus next week first.

129. Vultan - June 2, 2012

#128

You mean like Cowboys & Aliens? Though I guess that could’ve been the 20 or so other cooks in that particular kitchen. Not their finest hour—uh, two hours.

Still, I may go see Prometheus just for the visuals. Did that for Tron Legacy. You know, that two-hour Daft Punk music video. ;)

130. Vultan - June 2, 2012

#126

I understand where you’re coming from, but like they say “you vote with your wallet” on these things. And I think if you’re going to “vote” for a certain movie you should learn everything you can about it beforehand (short of spoilers, of course). You know, something beyond the campaign messages.

“Are you better off today than when you saw ‘Alien’ thirty-something years ago?” ;)

131. Ahmed - June 2, 2012

@130. Vultan – June 2, 2012

““Are you better off today than when you saw ‘Alien’ thirty-something years ago?” ;)”

lol, remind me of that crazy Fox News host Sean Hannity.

“And I think if you’re going to “vote” for a certain movie you should learn everything you can about it beforehand (short of spoilers, of course). You know, something beyond the campaign messages.”

All the clips & the interviews made the movie sound like an epic science fiction movie & it was making me very excited about the movie. Now, the early reviews kinda question that assessment.

But, two things still making me want to see it, first, Sir Ridley Scott is the director, and second Michael Fassbender.

132. Vultan - June 2, 2012

#131

Yeah, that is one thing I keep hearing: Fassbender is excellent as David.
Really no surprise there, either. I thought he was great in X-Men First Class.

133. Adolescent Nightmare - June 2, 2012

Only people who have been to the future know what futuristic looks like.

134. Ahmed - June 2, 2012

@132. Vultan – June 2, 2012

“#131
Yeah, that is one thing I keep hearing: Fassbender is excellent as David.
Really no surprise there, either. I thought he was great in X-Men First Class.”

True, I loved that bar scene in Argentina, Fassbender was amazing. I will see any movie that he is playing a part in.

http://infinite-loop.org/index.php?id=1583

135. THX-1138 - June 2, 2012

#133

So that’s why the rest of us pretend.

136. La Reyne d'Epee - June 2, 2012

Re Prometheus, I’ve heard the same things from friends:

Story: ropey
Visuals: fantastic
Fassbender: wonderful

To quote one friend, “the film is worth seeing for Fassbender alone”

Two out of three ain’t bad?

137. mjpeng - June 2, 2012

I Just saw Prometheus and be warned Damon Lindelof’s shite scriptwriting has turned it into a mess. Why did Ridley Scott involve this chancer.
It had the same rushed feel as the Trek re-boot, and massive plot holes
Abrams, Orci, Kurtzman and Lindelof are a complete bunch of amateurs who either think sloppy is good or more likely are just sloppy.
The point they miss is when dealing with Sci-Fi the devil is in the detail.

@136 Your short review is spot on by the way

138. Calastir - June 2, 2012

Actually connecting the sets isn’t that original.

Joss Whedon first did that with ‘Firefly’, so it felt like an actual ship.

139. Jack - June 2, 2012

Anybody see Fassbender and Viggo Mortensen in A Dangerous Method last year — one of my favourite films of last year. Either of them would be fantastic as a well-written Trek character.

122. Got to say, I prefer the brewery (with exceptions) to anything designed for TNG etc. Even the TMP engineering room would look pretty hokey now. I get that people are outraged that it was a BREWERY (how dare they! how dare they not respect the plywood sets of the original!!) instead of some other high tech industrial location, like the international space station. I guess if it bugs you, it bugs you and it always will.

And done badly, a set could look terrible. Or like super phony CGI.

140. It All Started With a Big Bang - June 2, 2012

Daoud is right, in a way, if you have ever seen the control room of
a hydroelectric or nuclear power plant the original 1960s TOS engineering isn’t that far off. In fact, I suspect that Matt Jefferies probably based his set design, particularly the control boards, off of an actual power plant. It’s not as sexy looking as some of the later iterations but real places are made to do the job not look “cinematic.”

141. THX-1138 - June 2, 2012

#139

I submit that the two examples of an “engine room” design that I gave links to are superior to the brewery. Ryan Church’s (the guy that re-designed the Enterprise for NuTrek) was actually made for ST09. The fact that someone looked at his design and then opted for a Budweiser brewery instead is, in my opinion once again, questionable.

And just to make another point here to the folks that dislike hearing anything negative or a complaint about what they saw in the last movie, bear in mind that this IS an article (in part) about set design, and as such the brewery comments are on topic.

142. THX-1138 - June 2, 2012

Oh, and Jack, the bridge of the Enterprise for ST09 is constructed from plywood. 99% of the sets for motion pictures, when needing to be built from scratch, are made from wood.

143. MJ - June 2, 2012

@129. That is a horrible example. They had 5 screenplay authors and 3 different story authors….8 fracking people involved. Screenplays by cast of thousands almost never work.

144. MJ - June 2, 2012

The fact that some reviewers don’t like Prometheus means nothing to me. I can go through countless sf and fantasy movies that are now classics that the reviewers didn’t like out of the gates.

These reports actually make me more excited about the movie, because if the artsy-fartsy elitist reviewer types, who are largely in their profession because they couldn’t make it in the film industry themselves, don’t like, it, then that means it is probably going to be pretty damn good.

145. dmduncan - June 2, 2012

It’s unfortunate, but that’s what happens because of movie reviews. People have their opinions contaminated before they’ve seen the movie by those who’ve already seen it and don’t like it.

Somebody up there said it was as bad as ST.09, a movie which I love! And THAT is why I don’t generally read reviews, and why if I do catch one, I don’t let the view expressed in it affect my experience.

Nobody can tell me what I think, unless I let them. And I suck at letting them.

146. MJ - June 2, 2012

Well said, DM.

147. Vultan - June 2, 2012

#145

Then the movie’s probably for you. But from what the regular folks in the UK (not just critics) are saying, I wouldn’t go in expecting ‘Alien.’ That’s all.

Fox might’ve overdid it with the hype/marketing.

148. Red Dead Ryan - June 2, 2012

I think people are comparing “Prometheus” to “Alien”, and to a lesser extent, “Aliens”. Its a bit like comparing apples to oranges. You have to remember that its been over thirty years since “Alien”, during which filmmaking has changed A LOT. I think Ridley Scott did the smart thing by making “Prometheus” part of the “Alien” universe without it being a prequel. It frees him up as a writer, while adding background to the “Alien” universe without being hamstrung by canon.

Despite some negative reviews, I still look forward to “Prometheus”. I’m going to judge the film as it is, not compare it to “Alien”. If it holds up on its own, then that’s good enough for me. All I want (and expect) is a good science fiction film that matches the level of awe and suspense that I felt while watching “Moon” and J.J Abrams’ “Star Trek”.

149. MJ - June 2, 2012

@147. A little expectation lowering is always good to increase the enjoyment of a movie for me. For example, went to see Snow White and the Hunstsman last night without expecting much, and was pleasantly surprised. I was also expecting The Avengers to suck (didn’t think JW could pull it off — I was wrong), and really liked it instead.

150. VZX - June 2, 2012

Prometheus is definitely going to be a rental for me. I can wait the six months or whatever and pay just a $1 to get it at Redbox. It just doesn’t look good enough to pay the $10 to see it at a theatre (or actually $20 if I took my son).

151. Vultan - June 2, 2012

#149

Good point. Maybe I expected too much and thought Scott could do one better than Alien, set the bar even higher. But he’s really not the filmmaker he used to be.

Maybe if the crew of the Prometheus found General Maximus fighting Roy Batty on a distant world while being cheered on by Thelma and Louise—then he would’ve had something. ;)

152. MJ - June 2, 2012

@150. Let me guess, you’ll watch it on your 19″ RCA TV?

Glad though to see you finally made the jump from VHS!

:-)

153. Al - June 2, 2012

I didn’t compare Prometheus to Alien – that’s not why it’s a poor film. It’s because its a poor film.

154. Red Dead Ryan - June 2, 2012

Just a few years ago, I was watching movies on a 20″ Sharp tube television. Even at close range to my bed, the picture was small. Kind of sucked for 2.35:1 movies. Now, I’m watching movies on a 40″ Samsung LCD tv just four feet away from my bed.

155. ironhyde - June 2, 2012

Hm. Prometheus is again about Darwinism vs. Creationism. That the same drivel Lost turned into… I can say with absolute certainty now, that Star Trek 2 or 12 or New Sequal, with deal with Dawinism vs. Creationism. That is a fetish of Damon Lindelof’s. It’s gonna be in there. Sounds like Khan to me. Anyway, I got bored during the trailers and promo’s for Prometheus — I don’t think I’ll be checking it out.

156. Ahmed - June 2, 2012

Even if you have a home theater system, some movies deserved to be experienced on the big screen. Prometheus is such a film, simply because of its visuals as so many people mentioned.

Prometheus is one of two movies that I can’t wait to see this summer, the other is The Dark Knight Rises.

My expectations for the other sci-fi movie this summer, Total Recall, is low so far.

157. Red Dead Ryan - June 2, 2012

#156.

Agreed on all points!

I feel like I’m part of the action when I watch an epic movie on the big screen. The only part of that which sucks is when people turn on their cell phones to text someone else, or somebody is talking to their buddy. That really takes you out of the movie.

158. MJ - June 2, 2012

Yea, I mean, how can someone call themselves a space scifi fan and then not go out and see Prometheus, which is about the only big serious space scifi movie we are getting this year?

159. Ahmed - June 2, 2012

@158. MJ

I think that every sci-fi fan should see Prometheus when it come out next week regardless of the mixed reviews.

I keep hopping that one good & exceptional science fiction movie will prove so successful at the box office, that it will encourage the studios to make more good quality movies.

160. Keachick - rose pinenut - June 2, 2012

#137 – After reading this post, it is just possible that I may yet $16.50 on a ticket to see Prometheus.

“It had the same rushed feel as the Trek re-boot, and massive plot holes
Abrams, Orci, Kurtzman and Lindelof are a complete bunch of amateurs who either think sloppy is good or more likely are just sloppy.”

If Prometheus is of a similar standard, then I can be reasonably certain that very few, if any, actual, real plot holes exist. Not unlike the Abrams, Orci, Kurtzman and Lindelof Star Trek 2009 movie. However, with Prometheus, three out of the four “amateurs” and “hacks” had no part in this movie. Could that present a problem, I wonder? Perhaps Lindelof needs the input of the other three in order to make a movie virtually free of genuine plot holes.

161. Vultan - June 2, 2012

#158

Look up a movie called “Gravity” coming out this fall. I have no idea how “big” it will be, but it does sound, at least on the surface, like a serious science fiction movie.

162. Keachick - rose pinenut - June 2, 2012

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, ZACHARY QUINTO!

2 June makes our young Spock 35 years old. May you have a wonderful day and a fulfilling and happy new year. Live long and prosper, *Spock*!

163. Vultan - June 2, 2012

#159

Wasn’t “Inception” at its heart a science fiction story?
I think it did well. ;)

164. MJ - June 2, 2012

@163. And Avatar.

165. Vultan - June 2, 2012

Ah, never mind, MJ. “Gravity” has been rescheduled for 2013.
That tends to happen, you know.

166. Ahmed - June 2, 2012

@161. Vultan – June 2, 2012

#158
Look up a movie called “Gravity” coming out this fall. I have no idea how “big” it will be, but it does sound, at least on the surface, like a serious science fiction movie.”

Actually Warner Bros. pushed “Gravity” release date from this fall to next year!!

http://collider.com/gravity-release-date-2013/166228/

167. MJ - June 2, 2012

Also, Neil Blomkamp has a huge sf movie coming out next year called Elysium.

168. Vultan - June 2, 2012

#166

Beat you to it. ;)

169. Red Dead Ryan - June 2, 2012

“Avatar” and “Inception” were both great. Two instant classics. “Moon” and “Source Code” are up there with them as well.

We’re getting sci-fi on the big screen, but not much on television. No space based dramas, apart from “Star Wars: The Clone Wars”.

170. Vultan - June 2, 2012

#169

I liked Source Code, too. Did you see Adjustment Bureau? Not quite sci-fi. More fantasy. But it’s… interesting.

171. MJ - June 2, 2012

@169

Adding District 9 to our running list here…

172. Red Dead Ryan - June 2, 2012

#170.

No I didn’t. Who’s in it?

173. MJ - June 2, 2012

@170. No,but thanks for the recommendation — I will check out The Adjustment Bureau.

174. Red Dead Ryan - June 2, 2012

#171.

Yes, most definitely.

175. Red Dead Ryan - June 2, 2012

And it looks like the chances of a “Halo” movie diminish by the day.

176. Ahmed - June 2, 2012

@168. Vultan – June 2, 2012

#166
Beat you to it. ;)”

lol, yep

@169. Red Dead Ryan – June 2, 2012

“Avatar” and “Inception” were both great. Two instant classics. “Moon” and “Source Code” are up there with them as well.
We’re getting sci-fi on the big screen, but not much on television. No space based dramas, apart from “Star Wars: The Clone Wars”

True, after BSG, nothing came to take its place, which is really bad. I don’t understand why the networks don’t produce these types anymore.

177. Vultan - June 2, 2012

#172

Matt Damon and Emily Blunt. Has a unique premise—based on a Phillip K. Dick short story. It’s pretty good. Not great. I don’t know. Hard to explain it. All I can say is: if you like those Twilight Zone episodes where the world isn’t what it appears to be (which is a lot of them) you’ll probably like it.

Oh, and another vote for District 9. Great movie.

178. Ahmed - June 2, 2012

I watched “Adjustment Bureau”, it was good but not as good as the short story it was based on.

And the strange thing that the movie looks very similar to The New Twilight Zone episode “A Matter of Minutes”

From Wikipedia: A married couple (Adam Arkin, Karen Austin) awakens to find reality being constructed around them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kquTHzXCMo

179. Red Dead Ryan - June 2, 2012

#176.

Yeah, seems tv producers want their shows to have some semblance of grounded reality to them. They probably consider space-based sci-fi too far on the fantasy side.

#177.

Thanks for the info!

180. MJ - June 2, 2012

Add Rise of the Planet of the Apes to the list.

181. Vultan - June 2, 2012

#180

YES! I heard they’re already working on the sequel. Same director. And Andy Serkis has already signed on.

182. Vultan - June 2, 2012

#178

You know, I’d totally forgotten about that TZ episode, but you’re right. And I seem to remember the couple doing a lot of running in that one, too.

Haven’t seen Matter of Minutes. I’ll check it out.

183. Red Dead Ryan - June 2, 2012

“Rise Of The Planet Of The Apes” was great as well. When it first came out, I thought it was going to be a lame knock off of the original movie. I was really surprised when I saw how good it was on Blu Ray.

184. LizardGirl - June 2, 2012

My mom saw The Adjustment Bureau. She thought it was okay. I saw Source Code which I thought was good.

I’m sorry but…I can’t bring myself to praise Avatar as a good science fiction movie. I saw that in 3D, but the 3D effects almost completely disappear the second half of the movie. I thought the story would be unique but it’s really not. When I was a little girl I’d love to watch Pocahontas and it’s pretty much the same story except with aliens.

But I cannot wait for Rise of the Planet of the Apes sequel! I completely misjudged that movie based on the previews. To be honest, the humans sucked in that movie. That apes were the best actors!

*************
@THX
I saw the pictures you posted, the Engineering ones. They’re beautiful no doubt about that. It was probably lack of enough funding that prevented them from building it . Hopefully we could see something like that in future Trek endeavors.

185. msr - June 2, 2012

An I-Khanic performance, you say? *ducks*

186. Anthony Thompson - June 2, 2012

Wow – Prometheus is getting some fantastic reviews in Europe! 80% Rotten Tomatoes score. Can’t wait!

187. Red Dead Ryan - June 2, 2012

#186.

Good to hear!

188. MJ - June 3, 2012

Yes, I just looked at Rotton Tomatoes and see the 80% rating now. So which websites were providing the disinformation about the movie not being so good??? I am not understanding where that came from now???

189. Winkie - June 3, 2012

@188

Try the fan reviews on AVPGalaxy. Lots of European bods who’ve seen the film posting their reviews. Some love it, some hate it.

Having seen it myself, I really was horribly disappointed. Not because it fails to live up to any preconceptions but because it fails (in my view) on it’s own – lack of – merit. It’s horribly confused, the way characters act makes little sense, and there is some ridiculous dialogue.
Great design and cinematography doesn’t rescue it from being a dreadful mess. In my opinion.
There are plenty of other opinions out there. Go see it and form your own.

My expectations for Trek are being dialled back to zero.

190. Red Dead Ryan - June 3, 2012

Interesting, as how all those who hate “Prometheus” happen to not like Damon Lindelof or “Star Trek” 09…..very interesting!

191. George Zip - June 3, 2012

How damn hard/expensive can it be to build a decent engineering set? Even a small room with displays is preferable to that goddamned brewery, which rips me out of the “suspension of disbelief” mindset every time I see it.

192. Well Of Souls - June 3, 2012

Some people just love green peppers where as others cannot stomach them. Does it make them bad? No, not in the least. I for 1 do not care for them but I am not a person who implies they suck, I imply that they are not my cup of tea. Just as some people will say that a pizza is totally ruined beacause it has green peppers on it, I will just pluck off the green peppers & enjoy the pizza.
MJ had a good point of approaching a movie with a little lower expectation & that does work. I pay to much $$ to go into the theater with the attitude that I’m going just to look for all the bad points & claim the movie totally sucked. And as mentioned in many posts, biased reviews are only personal opinions. I have seen tons of films that were not given the best of reviews that I felt was worth every cent to view on the big screen & of course there were some that the 19″ TV (as mentioned laughingly above) at home would have been sufficient. Even all Star Trek had some bad dialogue at 1 point or another, but overlooking a few bad lines or even a phoney looking set or 2 I still love my Star Trek, old & new.
Some people just make a living on nitpicking & complaining and really gain nothing other than the self satisfaction of just plain disagreeing and love it even more when U play their game. Sure it can be irritating if U allow that kind of behavior to get under your skin. I find it quite humorous at the extreme some people will go.
Looking foreward to Prometheus on the IMAX next weekend. It is my kind of movie & I have no doubt I’ll enjoy it regardless if it is not the best movie I’ll see. I enjoyed Avitar, District9 (even though it was supposed to originally be the Halo set, good save), Lord of the Rings trilogy, etc. Looking forward to The Hobbit, Batman & eventually the Planet of the Apes reboot sequel to name a few. Most of all I await the Star Trek reboot sequel regardless of the naysayers, the brewery, or the lens flares. Anyone want my green peppers?

193. Al - June 3, 2012

On Rotten Tomatoes Prometheus now has an average score of 6.9 out of 10. Wait until next week when it is down more.

194. MJ - June 3, 2012

@190 “Interesting, as how all those who hate “Prometheus” happen to not like Damon Lindelof or “Star Trek” 09…..very interesting!”

Yea, I notice that too. For example, on post 189 there is this person who is supposedly talking about have seen Prometheus and saying it stunk, then all of a sudden at the end he changes topics entirely and says: “My expectations for Trek are being dialed back to zero.”

So yea, I am left hear not only wondering about the agenda of some of these folks, but I am also questing whether they have even really scene the movie at this point?

195. MJ - June 3, 2012

@193. Are you using the “Opti-Grab” to correct your vision or something, it is still basically where is was last night on Rotton Tomatoes, at 79% on the Tomatometer.

People can “hate” Prometheus all they want, but don’t try to pull some silly shit on us all where you report secondary statistics like average ratings, when the Tomatometer is the prime measure on that site. It undermines your credibility even further.

Try coming up with some stuff that is harder for us to check on next time. LOL

196. VZX - June 3, 2012

I am a big sci-fi fan, but I will not see Prometheus in theatres. MJ, are you gonna head the sci-fi police task force to raid my house and take away my sci-fi fan card?

My friend usually lets me download digital copies of movies he buys, so I’ll just wait and watch it for free (legally!) on my iPhone!

197. Winkie - June 3, 2012

@194

No agenda – other than wanting to see an entertaining movie.

And yes I have seen Prometheus. Ask me anything…

198. Vultan - June 3, 2012

No agenda here, either. I was really looking forward to Prometheus, but after having read the full plot outline from those who have seen it (yeah, my curiosity got the best of me), I’ll probably be waiting for a rental on this one. Still not sure. Just looks more and more like another formulaic summer movie—some wild and crazy things happen to some wild and crazy people, set up for sequel, roll credits.

That sort of thing is getting old fast.

199. VZX - June 3, 2012

Well, if expectations are at zero, then the only to go is up!

200. Thomas - June 3, 2012

Is is wrong that, outside of Star Trek and 2001: A Space Odyssey, I don’t really care much for science-fiction?

201. Ahmed - June 3, 2012

#200. Thomas

Well, I do find that a bit strange, unless you don’t like science fiction in general.

As for Prometheus, I will go and see it in theater. Reviews by themselves should not discourage people from going to a certain movie that they were planning to see. People should make their own opinions.

202. Winkie - June 3, 2012

#198

No mate, go see it and hopefully you’ll enjoy it. As #201 says, make your own opinion.

#199

Well said!

I hope….

203. Al - June 3, 2012

195 – As it says on the RT page, “average rating” of all critics is “6.9/10.” Of “top critics” “7.3/10.”

” ” – those are called quotation marks. They mark quotations.

204. MJ - June 3, 2012

@203. The primary stat is the Tomatometer, which is holding at 79%, with 32 “Fresh” and 7 “Rotten” Reviews. The Avengers is only a bit ahead with a 85% Tomatomer rating. Your are quoting the secondary stats ratings — no one pays attention to those, and they are not based on a scientific sample.

205. MJ - June 3, 2012

@200. If this message board were the Matrix, you, my friend, should be taking the Blue Pill. :-)

206. MJ - June 3, 2012

@196 “I am a big sci-fi fan, but I will not see Prometheus in theatres. MJ, are you gonna head the sci-fi police task force to raid my house and take away my sci-fi fan card?”

No, but your mom says to tell you she is OK and is being well taken care of here.

LOL — just kidding, of course! ;-))

207. Ahmed - June 3, 2012

#205. MJ

lol, come on, he should take the RED PILL if only to see how deep the rabbit hole goes ;)

208. china - June 4, 2012

This detailed culbox review of Prometheus is very fair

http://www.cultbox.co.uk/reviews/movies/3912-prometheus-review

209. MJ - June 4, 2012

@208. Am I suppose to know what cultbox is? :-)

210. Hugues - June 4, 2012

@208

Saw Prometheus. Loved it. Don’t care about critics paid to be negatif.

211. Phil Smith - June 4, 2012

Lindelof is proof that anyone can write a script. Anyone.

212. Keachick - rose pinenut - June 4, 2012

A nice article about Benedict Cumberbatch –

http://www.popsugar.com/Benedict-Cumberbatch-Interview-About-Sherlock-23413564

213. Keachick - rose pinenut - June 4, 2012

#211 – Except that, as far as I know, you have not written a script that a major studio has chosen to spend millions of dollars on in order to turn into a movie that seeks an audience of millions of people worldwide and will quite likely achieve some of that as an outcome…

No, not everyone can write a script, otherwise they would be doing it. There are some real smart asses around, some of whom may not be that smart at all.

214. Red Dead Ryan - June 4, 2012

Anyone can write a script……but only some people can write a good one, and even fewer can write a great one. Most people would end up writing crappy scripts.

215. Al - June 7, 2012

#204 And now 73% and dropping

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