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Koenig & Russ Reprising Trek Roles For Indie Web Pilot ‘Star Trek Renegades’ – Watch The Trailer September 9, 2012

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Fan Productions , trackback

The team behind the 2008 independent mini-series Star Trek Of Gods And Men are back with plans for a new web series, again to be directed by Star Trek Voyager’s Tim Russ. Just in time for Star Trek’s anniversary they have released a new trailer featuring Walter Koenig reprising his role of Chekov and Russ as returning as Tuvok. The series promises additional Trek vets as well. More info and the trailer below.       



New Indie Web Series: Star Trek Renegades

Producer Sky Conway and director Tim Russ are teaming up again, following their 2008 collaboration with Star Trek: Of Gods And Men. This time they are planning a brand new web series called Star Trek: Renegades. The team have kicked off on production of a pilot which they hope will result in a new ongoing web series.

In addition to Walter Koenig and Tim Russ, many of those who were on board for Of Gods and Men are back for Renegades including Gary Graham (Alien Nation; Soval, Enterprise), Garrett Wang (Harry Kim, Voyager). Joining them will be Manu Intiraymi (Icheb, Voyager) and Richard Herd (Admiral Paris, Voyager). The team are also promising to add some "hot" and "rising" actors to the cast.

Here is the brand new trailer for Star Trek Renegades.

Not much as been revealed about the story except that it will be "bold, edgy and a little dark." The official announcement also states:

Renegades will be a departure from previous Treks – delving into the dark side of the human psyche, pushing our heroes to their limits, forcing them to carry out actions that they never would have as Starfleet officers. The rules have changed, and they realize they might be the last hope to save the Federation.

Star Trek: Renegades will be action oriented, filled with suspense and espionage; all while exploring new worlds, encountering both familiar and new alien species, and boldly going where no Trek has gone before.

There is also this intriguing image of a ship on the website which looks almost like a hybrid of a Klingon Bird of Prey and DS9’s USS Defiant.

The Renegade team have also just released a couple of videos from Walter and Tim discussing the project.

As the logos in the videos indicate, there will be a crowdsourced funding element to the project on KickStarter, but that has yet to be launched.

For more information visit startrekrenegades.com.


1. TrekMan - September 9, 2012

mmmm… not liking what I see. but then there’s barely any footage

2. Daniel Shock - September 9, 2012

It was interesting. I enjoy seeing the two actors in their roles… I’m gonna watch!

3. Emperor Mike of the Empire - September 9, 2012

I loved Star Trek of Gods and Men. I hope that they can make this as well as the first. I can’t wait to see.what they do. A new series would be so cool to see.

4. lostrod - September 9, 2012

Plenty of room for an original take on Star Trek. I’ll watch it.


5. CAPT KRUNCH - September 9, 2012

It’s hard to tell the production value from the short clip, but I like seeing Mr Koenig going ala Picard up top…maybe SHAT should boldly go as well!

6. Starman - September 9, 2012

“This is not your grandfather’s ‘Star Trek'”


Insulted. Not watching.

7. Aaron - September 9, 2012

Looking awesome. This team has its finger on the pulse of what a lot of fans want in their indy trekking and I for one can’t wait to support.

8. Aaron - September 9, 2012

#5 Krunch — I second the motion… Shat its time to try out the Bruce Willis look and shave it off man. Besides if it doesn’t look good you can always just wear a toupee… ;-) Love ya Shat.

9. Aaron - September 9, 2012

6. Starman – September 9, 2012

“This is not your grandfather’s ‘Star Trek’”


Insulted. Not watching.


Yes believe it or not many of the people who watched TOS and even TNG are now well into grandfatherhood. There nothing insulting here unless you have a sensitivity about your own age already in which case I don’t know what to tell you.

10. CmdrR - September 9, 2012

Who mic’d the individual pitches? Yikes.

I’ll certainly check out this venture. Thought Of Gods and Men needed another edit or two, because it dragged, but it wasn’t terrible.

11. Red Dead Ryan - September 9, 2012


I guess these actors don’t have a hope in hell of getting some actual non-Trek roles in Hollywood, and so they have to continually go back to the well time and again.

And these so called “hot and rising” actors that are purportedly joining the cast are probably not good enough for Hollywood films and shows.

12. Ryan Thomas Riddle - September 9, 2012

A crew who must operate as renegades, be perceived as outlaws, sounds an awful like what JMS had planned for the crew of the Excalibur in CRUSADE and what actually happened to the Sheridan and company in BABYLON 5. Sounds a bit like B5 in ModTrek.

13. Aaron - September 9, 2012

Wow Red Dead… That was pretty harsh.

14. BulletInTheFace - September 9, 2012

As long as it’s not the awful crapfest that was “Of Gods and Men,” it has a shot. That was one of the worst fan films I’ve ever seen. Ineptly written, poorly directed and badly acted.

15. Captain Otter - September 9, 2012

Getting over the impossible age of Chekov still on duty post-Voyager in the prime time-line and the horribly fitting uniform he’s wearing and the bad audio, cheesy effects, and hackneyed writing, this could be ok.

You know, getting over all that minor stuff.

16. Aaron - September 9, 2012

It’s not a bad idea… Unless you’re entirely in head over heals for the humans can’t have conflict ideologue… I personally have never been. That’s why DS9 was so awesome… It’s also why TNG “Conspiracy” had so very much intrigue and potential that was never hashed out. I truly hope that’s what direction they take. I would love to see that unresolved loose thread tied up in dramatic fashion.

17. Aaron - September 9, 2012

15. Captain Otter — Time travel perhaps???

18. MagicDan - September 9, 2012

Tim Russ rocks and he loves Star Trek. I will watch & support it.

19. Aaron - September 9, 2012

Naysayers gonna nay…

20. Daniel Shock - September 9, 2012

I dig the design of the ship on the website… Defiant/BIrd of Prey

21. Starman - September 9, 2012

#7 – No, some of us want to see Star Trek’s roots. You remember – to see out new life, yatta yatta. What’s this crap?

22. Gabriel Bell - September 9, 2012

No. 13 – Red Dead Ryan should have been permanently banned from posting on this site (his apology be damned) for the completely inappropriate and disgraceful things he said a month or so ago about the young woman featured in William Shatner’s “Get a Life” documentary.

They were truly ugly words that define what it means to be a pathetic Internet troll.

23. DeShonn Steinblatt - September 9, 2012

Dark?!?!?!?! Star Trek is not dark!! Where is the bright and hopeful future??? And that horrible title?! Renegades?! Seriously?! And I don’t see a colon in that logo at all?!?! What a slap in the face to Gene!!!

I’m so done!!!!!

24. Red Dead Ryan - September 9, 2012


Just pointing out the obvious. If you really take the time to think about it, what I said is true.


Yeah, you aren’t so high and mighty yourself for bringing that up. We all moved on.

25. Steve Johnson - September 9, 2012

Remember kids.

Everything has to be dark and edgy.

Hope and optimisim? NAY!

26. njdss4 - September 9, 2012

I’d love to be wrong and have this be a fantastic new indie Trek series, and that ship looks really cool, but the rest looks pretty bad. I still wish it the best, and I might watch it if I hear good things about it, but that’s all.

27. Aaron - September 9, 2012

We’ve seen bright and cheery Trek… A lot of it… I am ready for more BSG style Trek with a dark, gritty, “are we gonna?” survive feel. I love all Trek don’t get me wrong but to all those making Treks right now I say this… I am ready to take a Trek Into Darkness…

Hehehehe See how I did that. ;-)

28. Aaron (Naysayers gonna nay...) - September 9, 2012

26. njdss4 — You won’t hear more good than negative if you are only reading online because 9/10 of the posters are the negative troller, whiny, complaining type. The positive people who like the stuff the naysayers whine about usually don’t post or even try to debate with them because a) its not worth the effort and energy and b) it usually doesn’t make any sort of difference anyway.

29. Daoud - September 9, 2012

I’m holding out hope for:
Star Trek: Bright and Cheery
get the redshirts out…. and have no fear!

30. XMind - September 9, 2012

Tim Russ has the Vulcan voice. Love the suit.

31. Sebastian S. - September 9, 2012

I’ll definitely watch Renegades… ;-)

I thought Tim Russ’ “Of Gods And Men” was pretty entertaining.
I don’t hold fan made films and projects to the same level of scrutiny of the big budget features. I take into account the mostly donated budgets and the other constraints and I just watch them as I would new corners of a bigger, all-inclusive Star Trek canvas. They’re entertaining passion projects; like audiobooks with video cameras. And occasionally they can REALLY surprise you (Phase II’s “World Enough And Time” for example; it’s George Takei’s best outing as Hikaru Sulu, IMO).

Besides, it’s new ST and you can watch it free of charge in your home whenever (and if ever) you choose.
Who’s complaining?


32. Jerry Modene - September 9, 2012

point 1 – it’s the only way we’ll ever get to see anything set in the prime universe.

point 2 – now we know why they chose Star Trek to Darkness – because Star Trek Renegades was already taken. ;)

33. Chingatchkook - September 9, 2012

High five to these two (and the other Trek alumni) who devote their time to projects like these to give us more of the franchise we love.

These guys rock.

34. Gary S. - September 9, 2012

Have Koenig and Russ been doing any Non Trek work lately?

35. CaptainDonovin - September 9, 2012

Never saw Of Gods & Men, didn’t have a fast enough connection when it came out then forgot about it.

36. RAO - September 9, 2012

I’d be digging it if it were set in the lost period between TUC and TNG. Voyager is easily the worst of Trek, I really have no interest in seeing Voyager trying to be DS9. I’d like to be more positive, but I’d rather tell the truth.

37. David C. Roberson - September 9, 2012

This looks awful. Why can’t Tim Russ and co. get real jobs? They just seem pathetic now.

38. sean - September 9, 2012

I like Tim Russ, but sadly he was part of the unfortunate trend in later Treks to play Vulcans not as emotionally restrained but as permanently irritated.

39. StevenPDX - September 9, 2012

This is great! Everyone’s been clamoring for original Trek content. And here we have two great actors reprising their original roles! Man, imagine if they can rope in some of the original TNG actors–something we’ve also been asking for, especially with their weak Nemesis sendoff. I, for one, am thrilled with this project and can’t wait!

40. Eminiar 7 - September 9, 2012

I appreciate that these guys are essentially paying to play characters I like and provide new Trek content, but how do they avoid getting shut down by Paramount? It’s one thing for an organization like “New Voyages” with its troop of “let’s put on a show in the barn” amateurs to get away with potential copyright infringement, but these guys are the real deal doing unauthorized versions of “Star Trek”.

41. Steve Johnson - September 9, 2012

@27, We haven’t seen much happy Trek in a long time.

Last two seasons of Enterprise were dark. The three last TNG films were dark. DS9 was an entire series about grimdark. Voyager was rather meh.

Besides all of that, and the silliness of the remark itself. Star Trek was never EVER supposed to be “battlestar galactica grimdark.” The very essence of what STAR TREK is, is optimism and hope. Saying you want that to be dark is like asking for chocolate to come out of a dogs butt.

42. dmduncan - September 9, 2012

I don’t get it. Why is Ed Asner playing Chekov?

43. Jason - September 9, 2012

#34 – Russ has appeared on one or two Disney Channel tween shows since Voyager ended. I think one of them was Hanna Montana, but darn if I remember.

44. Jeffrey S. Nelson - September 9, 2012

So, is this set in classic Trek movie era? And Tuvok is supposed to much younger than the Voyager/NG time frame? I guess that will work…unless it doesn’t contradict his age if so established in Voyager…

45. Jeffrey S. Nelson - September 9, 2012

But it does look like Chekov is wearing an NG era uniform… so how could still be alive?

46. Buzz Cagney - September 9, 2012

#42 lol
Love Walter though. What a lovely guy he seems to be.

47. Aaron (Naysayers gonna nay...) - September 9, 2012

Mmmm chocolate from a dogs but…….

48. Aaron (Naysayers gonna nay...) - September 9, 2012

My dogs name is literally Q… Now about that chocolate… ;)

49. Jeffrey S. Nelson - September 9, 2012

If Chekov is still alive in the NG time era, shouldn’t he look ancient as Deforest Kelley did in “Encounter at Farpoint”?

50. Newman - September 9, 2012

ok I could get into this

51. Donald Pasquale - September 9, 2012

Chekov should look much older if he is indeed alive in the NG era time line…

52. Adam Collings - September 9, 2012

Looks fascinating. The premise sounds intriguing.

Maybe Koenig is playing a descendant of Checkov.

53. El Chup - September 10, 2012

I felt unable to watch New Voyages because the acting and sound editing was so bad (yes, I did give it the benefit of the doubt and try it out) so when Of Gods and Men came along with so many established Trek actors I figured it was something definately worth tuning in for. However, I ultimately felt a little disspointed. The acting again was pretty bad, the sound editing again questionable a,d the film editing itself very poorly done (which emphasised the bad acting on display, especially by Koenig). It was a shame as the project had a great dealof promise, especially being set in oneof my favourite Trek time periods.

This, I am sorry to say, seems like more of the same and, without question, seems like a vanity project for Trek actors who can’t otherwise get a great deal of credible work. I note, also, that it comes with the Kickstarter logo, which, if memory serves, is also what accompanied Michael Dorn’s recent dubious rom com idea, and so I assume they will be turning to the fans for money. That seems ethically questionable at best. Why? Because, and they admit this themselves, that they want this to be a pilot for a TV show. Whilst they may not make a profit or salaries on this effort, you can’t tell me hat if it ever were to be picked up as a TV or webs series they wouldn’t be looking to get paid for regular weekly work. Thus, in a way, this is a backdoor way of trying to use the Star Trek name to potentially secure future acting work. I think it’s a bit delusional to expect this to become a series, but, at the same time, the intention is nonetheless morally debatable.

54. Daniel Craig Is My wookie Bitch - September 10, 2012

11 Werent you one of the ones complaining about Michael Dorn wanting to make a non star trek film with help from kickstarter.
Saying that he should be trying to make a trek/sci fi film instead.

and yet here Tim Russ and Walter Koenig are using kickstarter to make a trek film in a timeline that they know their is a intrest in and you are bashing them.
double standards much?

55. general zod - September 10, 2012

@43 Russ was also in Live Free or Die Hard.

56. Daniel Craig Is My wookie Bitch - September 10, 2012

I do have one observation, I think that putting projects that feature professional trek talent as the main creators and stars would be better classified as unofficial Trek films, independent Trek films.

These are not simply ordinary run of the mill fans producing these they are profesional veteran Trek Talent, who just happen to be creating it outside of the studios purvue.

IN any case I hope they reach their goal, and I will definately be watching when it hits the net.

57. Daniel Craig Is My wookie Bitch - September 10, 2012

51 you are correct. He has been in several films/tv shows since Voyager

I aso want to add on a side note he is a pretty decent person as well, see him around the city quite alot always very personable and friendly.

58. general zod - September 10, 2012

Took a quick look a Tim Russ’s imdb page, he has been a busy man, guest appearances on CSI, NCIS Law & Order, and a whole bunch of movies, other tv shows, and video game voice work. Here, take a look,


59. Hat Rick - September 10, 2012

“Star Trek” meets “Firefly” meets “Pirates of the Caribbean.”

60. Red Dead Ryan - September 10, 2012


I was criticising Michael Dorn over asking fans to donate money to his project that he could either fund it himself, or find proper sponsors to help him out.

So, no, there were no double standards on my part. Good try, though! :-)

61. Billy - September 10, 2012

I liked Gods considering the constraints they were under. Anyone can make a decent running show with a 500k per episode budget. True artists like Russ will attempt to tell a compelling story on a shoestring budget. Because they are passionate to tell the story. If you go into this with the right mindset and expectations, you will get enjoyment from this project.

62. danielh - September 10, 2012

i enjoyed of gods and men and this feels like it could be a new take on trek

63. Captain Sludgebutt - September 10, 2012

If Koenig is playing Chekov in the NG time frame, he still looks way too young compared to Deforest Kelley as McCoy in “Encounter at Farpoint.”

64. Leslies - September 10, 2012

“This is not your Grandfather’s Star Trek!”

Yeah – no kidding. That Star Trek was about people. This one is really more a metaphor for Tim Russ sitting on a couch and stroking himself – looks like it’ll be just as bad as Gods and Men, although visually it’ll be a little better now that budget cameras have improved.

65. trekmaster78 - September 10, 2012

Hm, this is post-Voyager timeline. It connects issues from TNG’s first season “Conspiracy” and “STIX: Insurrection”. I guess it sets the tone of DS9 and “B5: Crusade”. It’s about people fighting for their grandfather’s star trek, so it can’t be like grandfather’s star trek!

66. Max - September 10, 2012


67. Pinsent - September 10, 2012

Hey Red Dead…. Your right – I was thinking the same. Will be passing on this one.

68. captain Nick - September 10, 2012

looks interesting, will have a look see how it goes.

69. X - September 10, 2012

I feel secondhand embarrassment watching this. Two grown men playing dress up. If they need money just get a job like everyone else.

70. Sebastian S. - September 10, 2012

# 63


ALL acting is ‘playing dress up.’ No matter if you’re doing Star Trek or Shakespeare. And for an actor, this IS a job. Beats pitching dog food or hemorrhoid cream…

Jeez, so much negativity towards this project!
First, I read all kinds of complaining on these boards that there’s no more new Trek in the old timeline. So, you have actual ‘prime timeline’ Star Trek actors literally MAKE a new prime timeline story for us and all you read here is still more complaining. No one’s holding a gun to your head to force you to download this.

# 53

I too, have met Tim Russ in person at a Planetary Society event in 2008 and he was a very nice guy. And even though I wasn’t ST:VGR’s biggest fan, I’ve only good memories of Mr. Russ and his co-star Robert Picardo (who is also VERY actively involved with the Planetary Society; in fact, I just saw him last Thursday night at another PS function). Both men are not only actors, but they are very actively involved in REAL-LIFE space exploration through their work with the non-profit PS (of which I too have been a member for 15 years). These are entertainers who are as passionate about Star Trek and space travel as you or I.

I wish Russ all the success possible.
I think it’s great that ST actors feel so passionately about the material that they literally make one themselves! The negativity I read here is just unbelievable. If you don’t want to see it? Fine. Don’t download it then. You don’t have to berate the performers for trying…

71. Beam thee up - September 10, 2012

Ugh. This Conway guy apparently fancies himself a movie producer, too bad his efforts seem to be amateurish at best. and I have no problem with fan films, but when you start asking for cash on kickstarter, then you’re taking it to a whole new level. I hope people steer clear, it looks like a train wreck in the works.

72. Sebastian S. - September 10, 2012

# 57


Well said. ;-)

73. boxker - September 10, 2012

What! I’ve never felt so un-unique like I do now. For more than 10 years now I’ve write (or try to) my own fan fiction (for personal enjoyment) about a small of Federation officers that steal a new federation/klingon hybrid ship (bird of prey and defiant-with the wings though) and go off to the opposite side of the galaxy for reason’s to long to explain here.

Well I guess it’s not like my stories were going to make it to the public anyway. Still, I can’t help but feel blah.

74. KG - September 10, 2012

I read kickstarter as KickShatner. Heh.

This looks kind of lame.

75. Daoud - September 10, 2012

Chekov must have benefited from that anti-aging serum from TOS: The Deadly Years. Must have made him about immortal, eh?
Koenig’s best work was as Bester on B5, no doubt about it. If he brings that Bester-ness to this Way Old Chekov…. that would help.

76. Montreal_Paul - September 10, 2012

63. X

Umm… hate to bring this up to you, but that is what acting is. People playing dress up for money. Happens in EVERY tv show and EVERY movie and EVERY stage play. What an idiotic statement to make.

77. Dr. Image - September 10, 2012

Someone press Walter’s uniform, please!
Looks like he slept in it.
Cool combadge…
But prime timeline? I’m on board!

78. CmdrR - September 10, 2012

About the ship, you should throw in that they bought the windows at the same store that outfitted the 1701-D. Either the crew has less interior space than a couple of school buses, or they like windows that are several decks high. Which is it? Is the whole series set in a Space Winnebego? Is one of the characters named Barf?

The layout of the ship is cool enough, but dang, why can’t they get the windows right?

79. Desstruxion - September 10, 2012

I like the ship. Is it Chekov or Bester? I can’t really tell.

80. Valenti - September 10, 2012

I really like that combadge.

81. William Kirk - September 10, 2012

Sorry, i didn´t like Star Trek of Gods and Men…

82. X - September 10, 2012

64/70 – Actually, if they’re doing for a tv it’s called working. If they’re doing it for fun it’s called playing. There’s a difference. Work = for money.

btw, THANK YOU for highlighting EVERY time you said EVERY. I wouldn’t have been able to read EVERY “EVERY” without it!

83. Bobby - September 10, 2012

I guess I am in the minority but this looks really cool.

84. CmdrR - September 10, 2012

I love the following:

a) Walter is working! And enjoying it.

b) These online projects, in general.

c) That Trek is not wholly dependant on the same studio bad brains who insist on turning every franchise into an action-packed pile of dog poo.

Having said that, I do think somebody needs to work on the basics here:

a) Story, characters, pacing, editing.

b) Technical, including the audio.

These can be low budget. Even the dreary online green screen productions where overweight actors stand in front of a still from one of the series can have some entertainment value. But, they can’t be rife with technical flaws that distract or written in such a dull manner that the audience just wants to give up.

I will watch. And since I’m a Trekkie, I will bitch. Just do your best and the fans will follow.

85. Limey - September 10, 2012

This is so cool! Looks decent. I will be watching.

86. PatrickB - September 10, 2012

Wow… why is every Comment Section to EVERY Article dominated by hate and doom?

What is wrong with the Fandom?
All I see is “Bah it’s crap!”, “Bah I hate this!”, “Bah I hate that!”, “Bah”

Something is definitely wrong here… and it’s not Trek nor the powers that be behind it…

87. Gary S. - September 10, 2012

#51 Oh yes , I saw him in the Die Hard flick ,
He was funny too .

88. rm10019 - September 10, 2012

76 – ACTUALLY, people do make money doing ‘dress up’ acting for the interwebs too. Work takes many forms in the 20th and 21st century. See nowadays you can transmit images electronically (you can look that up) and charge people to watch, donate money or to advertise during the ‘program’…

It’s like going to a play, and buying a ticket, but there are buttons involved…

Sorry, I’m just kidding around, I know what you were trying to say. Why you were trying to say it, I have no idea…

89. trekmaster78 - September 10, 2012

This is gonna be “Star Trek: Expendables”!!! :-P

I’m not sure they get money for it. It’s an independant production.

90. Twib - September 10, 2012

Paramout needs to sue you for infringement. Not only infringement, but they should be awarded damages. This bullshit is damaging to the Trek franchise, and must not be allowed to exist.

91. Bob Tompkins - September 10, 2012

As a first generation Trekker, ‘Grandfather’s Trek’ is not insulting at all, since I am a proud grandfather.

92. sean - September 10, 2012


Yeah, DS9 was SO grim, it’s not like they ever lightened up with silly Ferengi episodes. Or silly baseball episodes. Or silly Innerspace episodes where the crew fights giant Jem’Hadar in a tiny runabout. Or silly 1960s Vegas Holodeck episodes. Nope. All dark all the time, that was their motto.

It’s not as if TOS ever ended on a down note, either. Except for City on the Edge of Forever. And A Private Little War. And The Man Trap. And The Conscience of the King. And Requiem for Methuselah. And…

93. Driver - September 10, 2012

That wasn’t Chekov, it was Koenig as Ernst Stavro Blofeld as Dr. Evil.

94. Will - September 10, 2012

I’m just confused by how Chekov is still alive and kind of young looking when McCoy looked about 900 in Encounter at Farpoint.

That said, the animation looks kind of… not so great. Hopefully it’ll be better in the final product.

The acting was ok, I suppose. The dialogue was so-so.

Depending on how professional it looks I might watch it when it’s done. I tried to watch Of Gods and Men but I just couldn’t make it through more than about 5 minutes of it because it looked so… film school.

95. Kirk - September 10, 2012

Lame. So profoundly lame.

96. TrekMadeMeWonder - September 10, 2012

I ready to find out if the new Trek will have closing credits.

97. steve - September 10, 2012

I say it every chance I get: Tim Russ’ performance as Tuvok was outstanding. So many actors who took on Vulcan roles over Trek history just did horrible jobs, making them come across as arrogant jerks. Russ was the first actor since Nimoy to finally nail the complexities of a Vulcan character. So many people who bust on Voyager seem to overlook this.

98. Max - September 10, 2012

The ship looks like a goose.

99. dscott - September 10, 2012

When did Walter go bald? Did I miss that or is it for the part? Going interweb hunting…

100. Aaron (Naysayers gonna nay...) - September 10, 2012

Wow… why is every Comment Section to EVERY Article dominated by hate and doom?


@#28 You won’t hear more good than negative if you are only reading online because 9/10 of the posters are the negative troller, whiny, complaining type. The positive people who like the stuff the naysayers whine about usually don’t post or even try to debate with them because a) its not worth the effort and energy and b) it usually doesn’t make any sort of difference anyway.

101. Science Officer Smock - September 10, 2012


This looks so very awful. The Interplay Videogames of the 90’s had better production values. This just looks so bad.

Following the success of Gods and Men? It was a success? Oh dear god, pure train wreck if you ask me.

Time to give up sirs, you had your chances and each got a lot of time in front of capable film makers. Please don’t further tarnish your reputations.

102. Daoud - September 10, 2012

@94. Read 75. And google the OS episode “The Deadly Years”. Geesh.

103. Dr. Cheis - September 10, 2012

So is Checkov supposed to be ancient, or is Tuvok supposed to be young here? I’m confused how they’re speaking to each other.

104. Duncan MacLeod - September 10, 2012

Also about Chekov’s age…

#1 – Medicine has advanced in the 20 or so years in canon since McCoy appeared in the TNG Pilot.
#2 – Chekov in canon is as much as 30 years younger than McCoy depending on the series/movie.
#3 – He could have aged slower for whatever Canon reason they want to invent.
#4 Walter Koenig was available to play the part.

105. Infinite Monkeys Typing - September 10, 2012

So Anthony, in your article you wrote:

“Not much as been revealed about the story except that it will be ‘bold, edgy and a little dark.’ ”

Was that “Bold” or “Bald”?

…on a related note, I have an old Beatles wig (or was it a Monkees wig?) in my attic somewhere. Perhaps Koenig would want to buy it? I think it would suit him well.

106. TrekMadeMeWonder - September 10, 2012

Good Point @ #100

Pleae put a little more effort into the CGI next time. It’s Sci-fi!

However, there is another Keoning underground sci-fi pic that is very entertaining…


: ).

hmm. did I see there is a sequel?…

107. Kangs Seafood and Biscuits - September 10, 2012

This is what happens when you lack the ability to let it go…Paramount needs to send out cease and desist to these guys and those awful James Cawley episodes. I really dont get this…

Another thing there was a moronic comment about Star Trek having a Bright Future. Okay if its so bright why did the Federation have all those wars and conflicts? What about Deep Space NIne? I mean people really need to stop with these Romantic Star Trek notions. If Roddenberry wanted a pacifist show Star Trek would not exist today. Nobody would watch it.

108. Lt. Dakin - September 10, 2012

I’m past the point of being happy to see these guys committed to film as I was when Walter and George did their NV stints.

For my personal taste, both “Of Gods and Men” and “Roddenberry on Patrol” were just too “Star Trek Flavored” as if we will eat anything labeled “Star Trek”, and OGAM throwing in whatever and the kitchen sink in terms of actors or story points or baubles to make it as “Star Treky” as possible.

How about a good story without all the contrivance? Oh, because if you just had a good story, you wouldn’t need the unecessary “Star Trek Flavor” added in.

109. RAO - September 10, 2012

Russ could pull off Obama. Kinda looks like him, sounds like him, about the same age, ect. Not a fan by any means (of Barry, not Tim) but I could buy him in a biopic.

110. Daniel Craig Is my Wookie Bitch - September 10, 2012

Walter got his star on the walk of fame less than a hour ago.
Great ceremony with some great speeche by Leonard Nimoy, Great seeing Water, Nichelle, and Leonard togeather again.
If you are familar with the area, its infront of the old Fox Vouge theatre,(now called the Superclub). right across the street from the Egyptian Theatre. near hollywood and las palmas

111. Daniel Craig Is my Wookie Bitch - September 10, 2012

Not to be confused with handprints that he and the entire cast did at the Chinese Theatre back when star trek VI was released.

112. TrekMadeMeWonder - September 10, 2012

Awesome, Walter!

113. Chris Miles - September 10, 2012

@110 – Good for Walter

Any pics or Trek site coverage of this?

114. general zod - September 10, 2012

@112. Here:


115. Montreal_Paul - September 10, 2012

82. X

Thought I would DO so so that YOU would understand better. Obviously you don’t. Lots of actors act for free because they love their work. Have you ever been to community theaters? Hmm… I guess not. Look it up.

116. Browncoat1984 - September 10, 2012

Hm, I wonder, they said there would be a kick starter element to it…is it possible that we the fans could convince the TNG cast/crew to do a fan project TNG film? It’s obvious we’re never going to see another movie/series set in the TNG time, but what about a fan made conclusion to the TNG era that does it better justice than Enterprise did? Hmmm….

117. Sebastian S. - September 10, 2012

# 114 MP~

Don’t waste your typing ability trying to reach “X”. Sounds like he’s just trolling.

Many actors have deferred salaries for certain TV shows or movies or just special projects. That’s not mere ‘playing'; that passion. Not everything in this world is done for money (unless you’re a Ferengi, perhaps…).

I salute the cast and crew of “Renegades” (and Phase 2 and all the other HQ fan films). Doing ST for love of the game; that’s genuine fandom in action. I think we (AS fans ourselves) should salute their efforts, not demean them….


118. Bobby - September 10, 2012

86, 100 – I’ve long been dismayed by this as well. Seems like its an inevitable part of fandom, brought out by the anonymity of the internet. :)

Especially when something fan made is involved.

Of course usually when I post something along those lines, complaining about the negativity, I get flamed for it, to the point that I rarely bother to read and participate in the comments on this board anymore.

Which I guess, if enough rational people get driven off, leaves only the haters.

119. Driver - September 10, 2012

Just think, in 25 years or so, Pine, Quinto, Urban et al will be doing the same things. Star Trek will never die!

120. Sebastian S. - September 10, 2012

# 107

“This is what happens when you lack the ability to let it go…Paramount needs to send out cease and desist to these guys and those awful James Cawley episodes. I really dont get this…”

If you don’t ‘get it’?
Then I have a dandy idea: DON’T DOWNLOAD IT.

Some of us actually like these fan films and appreciate the effort and passion that goes into them. As far as Paramount is concerned? I’m sure they love it; no one is making money off of their brand and it generates still more interest for their product. It’s a win-win.

Hell, Paramount even borrowed the helm console’s tactical viewer from Phase 2 (back when it was New Voyages) when they made the ENT two-parter “In A Mirror, Darkly.”

121. Craiger - September 10, 2012

Driver – They are doing other movies. Koenig and Tim Russ don’t have movie careers like Pine, Quinto and Urban do.

122. Driver - September 10, 2012

You are way too serious, Dude.

123. Shilliam Watner (Click for Trek Ships Poster) - September 10, 2012

I really appreciate all the hard work that goes into the fan films. The costumes, the effects, the sets, lighting etc. These people really put their hearts and a LOT of sweat into their work, for no pay and often a LOT of criticism.

I’ve watched a few of them, and found them not to be to my liking, but there’s no way I can find it in me to trash them, or even criticize them for what they do. Even though I don’t like them all that much, I recognize the quality and effort in them, and I applaud them for keeping their interest, and the interest of many others, intact. They’re having fun, they’re providing fun for many others. I can’t be critical of that.

If these were commercial efforts, and I was paying to see them, I’d freely offer my criticism, as I certainly will with the next Abrams film.


124. Craiger - September 10, 2012

I still wonder how Trek fans can afford to do these productions in this economy?

125. Carlos - September 10, 2012


Remember what King Juan Carlos said to Hugo Chávez ?

“¿Por qué no te callas?”

If you have difficulties to translate that… I can help you: Shut your mouth up.

Seriously, dude. I don’t really care if a douchebag like you stop watching ST because it turned “too much pacifist”. No fandom on the world need this kind of jerk.

Star Trek is not the most popular thing right now – au contraire – the mainstream media sometimes even forget it. So being a troll on a Trekkie community is really shameful. Do it with Hunger Games or Twilight fans, not here for Christ’s sake!

126. Herb Finn - September 10, 2012

Gee, Pavel looks great for a guy pushing 150!

127. Alpha Charlie - September 10, 2012

I definitely support this project, but the flaws are pretty obvious. “…Not you Grandfather’s Star Trek…”?!? Sure looks that way to me from this trailer. One of the gripes about Trek in the 24th Century was all the talking of politics, that general audiences didn’t care for. This whole teaser was just Chekov and Tuvok talking over subspace about creating a team of “renegades” (which doesn’t really seem like a smart thing to do… I’m sure they can still wire-tap in the future). I found the teaser to be dull, and that is enexcusable. They should have at least shown some sneak peeks of the ship, and not just an unfinished CGI miniature at the end.

My biggest gripe with Gods and Men was the editing, and it seems to be the case again with this film. they really need to find themselves a good editor, if they want a good film.

128. Alpha Charlie - September 10, 2012

Also… how old is Chekov? 150??? Unreal… This should have taken place during the time of the Enterprise-C. I think if they want to use Admiral Chekov, they should set it during that time period instead. Plenty of stories to tell in that time period. Plus, they could potentially use Sulu in that time period as well.

129. Bucky - September 10, 2012

Just checked memory beta, apparently Admiral Checkov was still kicking around in the Dominion War! That’s kinda neat. I can buy awesome-future medicine keeping people around till the 150s. Remember Admiral Archer? That’s totally Johnathan Archer everyone knows and loves!

130. Mel - September 10, 2012

@ 9. Aaron – September 9, 2012

“Yes believe it or not many of the people who watched TOS and even TNG are now well into grandfatherhood. There nothing insulting here unless you have a sensitivity about your own age already in which case I don’t know what to tell you.”

TOS is my favourite Star Trek series and Walter Koenig is old enough to be my grandfather. All this ““This is not your grandfather’s ‘Star Trek’” advertising is just stupid. It first implies just because something is old, there is something wrong with it. And second that only old people like TOS. Both is wrong. There are better ways to promote something new.

131. X - September 10, 2012

Ok, looks like everyone is getting mad and not understanding what I meant. I’m not going to keep explaining myself.

And yes, I have been to community theatre.

132. Tony Todd's Tears - September 10, 2012

How is Chekov still alive 100 years later? I guess we’ll find out.

133. sean - September 10, 2012


Walter has been bald for years and wore a rug for quite a while. These days I think he just wears a baseball cap.

134. Not Bored with this.. - September 10, 2012

At least these guys know how to make a trailer… I’m excited for this, since I can see it… the other guys movie… well, I could care less, since they want to keep everything a ‘secret’. Bah.

135. Montreal_Paul - September 10, 2012

131. X

Well,m if you know about community theatre and you still stick to your comment… then you have no idea that actors often don’t get paid for things. When actors love their craft – they will act just for the sake of acting. They are not “playing”. So your statement that if you get paid, you are acting and if you do it for free, you are playing. You just don’t get it.

117. Sebastian S
I completely agree with you.

136. X - September 10, 2012


137. Paunch Show Greg - September 10, 2012

Why is Chekov wearing a DS9-era uniform?

138. kmart - September 10, 2012

This is the kind of story I always wanted to see on TREK, so I’m very much intrigued.

139. Jonboc - September 10, 2012

they can knock themselves out, I might even watch it out of respect for Walter, but I’m not giving one red cent through kick starter…not for anything with Doug Sky Conway’s name attached!

140. Red Dead Ryan - September 10, 2012

I would assume the majority of actors would prefer to get paid, as acting would be their choice of career work. The only actors who work for free are those who can’t paid roles, and thus, are stuck working in tedious 9 to 5 jobs working in an office, or in a restaurant, or picking up trash.

That’s not to say that actors who routinely earn money performing wouldn’t to something for free. I’d bet a lot of paid actors would be willing to do a stage performance if a particular play was too tempting too pass up, and/or if it was for charity.

141. David G. - September 10, 2012

I’m not seeing where it says that Walter is playing PAVEL Chekov……

142. general zod - September 10, 2012

According to Shatner’s Kirk novels, Chekov not only lives into the next gen era, he is also “Former Federation President Pavel Chekov”.

143. Red Dead Ryan - September 10, 2012


Shatner’s novels aren’t canon, and honestly, I can’t see Chekov as Federation president. Spock, sure.

144. Magic_Al - September 10, 2012

Admiral Chekov? Realistically, Chekov’s Starfleet career would have been permanently damaged by the hijacking and loss of the Reliant while he was first officer (and technically acting CO after Terrell’s suicide). Spin it any way you want, it doesn’t look good. However blameless Chekov might be judged to be, however unfair it might be, in a competitive selection Starfleet would have excellent candidates who haven’t lost a ship. Why is a former first officer sitting in the same chair he sat in as an ensign 20 years before? Is he so intensely loyal to Kirk that he’d rather be there than advance his career? Or is his career so damaged that staying with Kirk is the only desirable alternative to retirement?

145. Montreal_Paul - September 10, 2012

144. Magic_Al

He was a Commander in Generations… he probably became Captain afterwards. I am guessing Kirk had a huge influence in Starfleet.

How could Chekov’s career been permanently damaged with the highjacking of the Reliant? It was beyond his control. I saw no damage. Sulu became Captain… I don’t see why Chekov’s career wouldn’t have continued as well.

As for loyalty, Riker turned down command because of his loyalty to Picard. And he destroyed the Enterprise D. That didn’t damage his career.

146. general zod - September 10, 2012

According to several secondary sources Chekov was supposed to have been Sulu’s first officer on Excelsior. These sources indicate that he did not take the position right away due to lingering PTSD from his ordeal at the hands of Khan. Those sources also indicate he became first officer of Excelsior right after ST6TUC.

Also, Red Dead, I know Shatner’s books are not canon, I was just throwing the thought out there. I do disagree about Spock’s potential as a President, I feel anyone who explicitly states a lack of desire for so much as command of a starship is a poor choice for head of state.

147. Robert McDougal - September 10, 2012

I’m looking forward to this show, but my god man, Walter made me kinda sad. 75 years ago and still bloody doing that same character in that damn show. Back in the 80’s, he played the same role for full scale movies that were box office hits. Now 30 years later, he’s involved in web series in an age where anyone can do it. I love his dedication to his fans and am grateful as I am a longtime Trekkie, but he deserves so much better. I have a web series. He needs to play Chekov in some movies. And why the hell isn’t Tim Russ pitching this to a studio to go on television? Or at least get a budget. You’d think he’d have some Trek credibility since he’s like the only Fan Film director that’s been in a legit canon show for a long time. It’s sad to see Keonig just straight up be like if my heart keeps ticking, this show can get done. He’s bald too.

148. Belkin - September 10, 2012

So you know Walter Koenig’s Walk of Fame Star ceremony happened 12 hours ago, right? With Nimoy, Nichols and Takei there too.

149. Pete Christian - September 11, 2012

So what if he’s bald? I’m balding, but it doesn’t keep me from kicking ass and taking names! You go Walter!

SGT Peter Christian
Deployed Soldier

150. Daniel Craig Is My Wookie Bitch - September 11, 2012

148 yeah if you scrolled up or wait for it…….
perhaps read the posts on here you would know that I mentioned that on here after I got home from it.

Rod Roddenberry was there as well.

151. Rose by any other name is Keachick - September 11, 2012

Looks like the Federation has gone to Hell and taken Star Trek with it. Yuk!

152. Sebastian S. - September 11, 2012



I saw pictures of it on Flickr too.

153. Duncan MacLeod - September 11, 2012

wow, the griping is amazing. Don’t watch it. It isn’t hurting your Trek, it is not “diluting the brand” if anything that happened many years ago. This is for FREE, (and costing them money) and done for the joy of it. If it can turn into a web series to help new actor’s get a start, that is awesome! Tim Russ and Koenig would probably not be on the actual ship, just appearing occasionally, with new actors (perhaps with garret wang as the veteran) on the actual day to day episodes.

154. bytesaber - September 11, 2012

So stupid…

155. Frederick - September 11, 2012

You can’t have too much Trek. Bring it on!

156. Chris Doohan - September 11, 2012

I wish I had known this yesterday when I was with him. Looks interesting. Have fun with it, Walter

157. TrekMadeMeWonder - September 11, 2012

Get over the age thing.

Scotty was working on his Transporter Sleep System fir years.
Obviously he was sharing it with his friends.

The device lets you sleep in a Transporter Beam, thereby alowing you to preserve yourself for another third of your life. Why sleep life away, when you can Transport it?

158. Dennis - September 11, 2012

Was that Dick Cheney?

159. Elias Javalis - September 11, 2012

I like Koenig! He was an important part of TOS..For him alone i might watch:)

160. Desstruxion - September 11, 2012

Tuvok served on board the Excelsior under Sulu as seen on ST:Voyager. This story probably takes place a few years after that. The age issue, easily solved.

161. Daniel Craig Is My Wookie Bitch - September 11, 2012

A full 25 hours since Walter’s ceremony yesterday and still NO Article.

for those who are intrested The Hollywood Chamber of commerce website has the whole ceremony up for on demand streaming now for those of you who dont live out here in Hollywood

162. Daniel Craig Is My Wookie Bitch - September 11, 2012

I get to walk past walter’s star everyday on my way to work. I live on hollywood and las palmas so I will see it every day and night

163. Bill Peters - September 11, 2012

Fan made Series have always been Allowed by Paramount :)

164. HarryMudd.com - September 11, 2012

I’m delighted that so many live-action STAR TREK stories are being told.  I’m also very happy to see Walter Koenig and Tim Russ involved.  I wish them much success with this latest effort.

I was fortunate enough to be at Walter Koenig’s Hollywood Walk of Fame Star ceremony yesterday.  I got sunburned, but had an excellent viewing location otherwise.  

Walter Koenig’s comments were quiet and sweet, the culmination of a very long wait for him.  He thanked individual members of his family and friends, as well as “absent friends,” by which he was able to include those who he has loved but are no longer with us, such as the tragic loss of his son last year.  But through it all, he has persevered.  He removed his hat for some photos, and I’m glad, as I am with the video posted above, that he’s able to embrace who he is (so what if he’s bald?) and live in peace.

J. Michael Straczynski (creator of BABYLON 5) had many fine words about Walter’s range as an actor, noting that in the same scene, he could convey a wide range of emotions, from frightening to charming, sometimes all even  in the same sentence.  He also made a wonderfully humorous statement that he and Walter and the entire audience are nerds, “and we won!  This (Walk of Fame) Star is the treaty proving we won.”  

Leonard Nimoy looked good, grabbed the podium with apparently still strong hands and spoke of how Walter was able to craft a three-dimensional character from the few slim threads he was given.  

Nichelle Nichols, George Takei, Tim Russ, Garret Wang, Herbert Jefferson Jr., Jamie Farr, and many others were there as well (I couldn’t see eveyone from my angle), to help celebrate with Walter.  

The Official proclamation from the Los Angeles City Council and signed by the mayor had Walter’s name misspelled, but that will be corrected and Walter chuckled at the suggestion that the uncorrected version be placed on eBay.  “One hundred dollars!”  “One hundred fifty!”  “Two hundred dollars!”  were quickly called out from the audience.  (No idea how many quatloos that translates to.)  

They stayed for photos, but like any long-awaited ceremony, it was soon over, and what’s left are the memories, and the star with a name in concrete to last for generations.

165. MidMoElMarko - September 12, 2012

Hooray for Walter! As another of the aforementioned “first generation trekkies”, I’m so glad that he’s getting some overdue recognition for being a part of the entertainment (and subculture!) that endures so well. As for the gripers above, put a sock in it. We went for soooo long with no Trek and, now that it’s a mainstream topic again, get off the case of folks who are ready, willing and able to tell a Trek-related story in video. Editing, audio, writing…..blah. If you’re a real fan, flex your brain and listen to the story and the message. Or, if that doesn’t do it for you, get a chunk of cash (along with some of that chocolate) out of that dog’s backside and put together some productions of your own.

166. Simon - September 12, 2012

@158 – No, I thought it was Ed Asner!

167. Basement Blogger - September 12, 2012

Could we bury the slogan from the trailer , “This is not your grandfather’s Star Trek.” Yeah, it could be a witty take from the ad campaign of the 2009 movie but some might take it seriously. Assuming it’s not a joke, stop dissing the old Star Trek fans. If it weren’t for that talky Star Trek, there would not be any Star Trek.

168. falcon - September 13, 2012

About the quality of fan-made Star Trek productions …

Not many folks have the bucks (or, frankly, the talent) to pull off a cinema-quality web film. A lot of folks think they know how to do it, but when they get in front of an edit system or behind a camera they get lost. Case in point: STOGAM looked like it was shot at 25 or 30 frames per second but edited on a standard NTSC (29.97 fps) system. A lot of the action looked smeared. Of course, the lighting (except perhaps on the bridge) left a lot to be desired. And it took a long time for STP2 to achieve a film-type look, and there are times they still manage to get it wrong.

I’ve been in television for over 30 years, and I’ve seen the progression of technology from suitcase-size cameras in the studio to something you can hold in your hand and make phone calls on at the same time. It’s been an amazing transformation, and also gives folks the wrong idea that just because they have a camera they’re the next Spielberg or Coppola. (And frankly, if the directors in question hadn’t had a director of photography that was less than stellar, we wouldn’t be talking about them, either.)

Point is, there’s a lot of good intentions and great ideas out there, but in many cases the execution is sadly lacking. And since fan-made productions typically don’t pay the bills, you see folks doing this kind of work purely for love of the subject matter, and in the case of Star Trek I can’t say that’s totally a bad thing. For that reason, it would be good to cut them a little slack.

169. Sebastian S. - September 13, 2012

# 168 falcon

Well said. Nice perspective and insight, too…. ;-)

170. Montreal_Paul - September 13, 2012

Since the other thread has been hijacked… I might as well post here…

“Simon Pegg has become the first cast member to comment on the new movie title by tweeting (@simonpegg) that “Star Trek” is a verb, not a noun. He boldly confirms that the title is “Star Trek Into Darkness”.”

171. Bob Johnson - September 13, 2012

Good Luck to them on their project. Here’s mine, Check it out!

172. Tiberron - September 13, 2012

I really wish these guys would step up their production value. Stop it with the terrible graphics and slipshod editing. Makes you look bush league.

173. C Zenko - September 15, 2012

Alot of the people who comment on here are absolutely impossible to please. You guys complain about everything, you knit pick and feel like your comments are the standard of all who watch Star Trek. Do you enjoy life? Or do you wait for the next opportunity to complain? Can you give new things chance? Can you enjoy something even though you may have done things differently? And if you don’t like it quit complaining and go make your own.

174. C Zenko - September 15, 2012

As for the people who can comment nice comments, it is appreciated

175. Snoutman - September 16, 2012

I met Tim Russ in L.A. once, while I was working at a Blockbuster Video. He was an arrogant jerk. Never was a fan. Even less so, after meeting him.

176. Dolphinboy - September 17, 2012

Bloody hell cut the guys some slack! I only watched Of gods and men 2 nights ago and quite frankly I enjoyed it more that trek 09. True, it wasn’t a big budget fx bonanza with amazing acting, editing, sound etc but to be fair how much tv trek has been? Russ and koenig made the thing for the fun of it, unlike jj and co who wanted to make a mountain of cash. They made a story with a point and tried to convey a message in the way star trek – gene roddenberry’s star trek – always has also unlike jj and co who’s only reason for their story was a way to take beloved characters and do whatever the hell they wanted with them.
I for one am looking forward to renegades. Although the premise isn’t the idealistic future roddenberry envisioned its still star trek veterans doing new star trek in the prime timeline. Not canon I know, but neither are the books and there have been some great stories there.

177. Dalek - September 18, 2012

Why wouldn’t Chekov become an admiral? He was part of the legendary crew that saved earth TWICE from total destruction. His name would be as known throughout the Federation as Kirk and Spock’s, and revered as one of the few who saved earth from annihilation!

178. Montreal_Paul - September 19, 2012

Since this site isn’t being updated anymore, here is some more news regarding Renegades:

From the Star Trek Renegades independent web pilot movie site :

Garret Wang (Harry Kim in Voyager) joins the cast of Star Trek: Renegades! Garrett will reprise his role as Kim – however, it won’t necessarily be the Ensign Kim you remember…

From actor Manu Intiraymi Facebook page he posted :

“Wants people to go over and like the new Star Trek Renegades Facebook page. Get on the bus early guys, this movie is going to be awesome. Icheb like you’ve never seen him before.”

179. S'Ting - September 20, 2012

Honestly it looks like crap… like Walter and Tim were recording YouTube videos and spliced them together. I would expect more from professionals.

180. Montreal_Paul - September 20, 2012

179. S’Ting

You are seeing things out of context and with bad editing. Reserve judgement until you see the final product.

181. John W. - September 26, 2012

One gripe about the dialogue: Saying “life as we know it” before saying “the very existence of the Federation” is kind of burying the lede, don’t you think?

182. desmond - October 2, 2012

180 john w

I guess the point to be made here is that there is no excuse for the bad parts of the trailer.

Trailers are meant to sell the products they showcase. If the trailer has bad editing, then i have no reason to believe the actual film will be edited any better.

I also think the trailer suffers from serious mixed messages. They are aiming for darker and realistic but then you contrast that with an almost cartoon like powerslide by their ship around screen.

I also think they really need to get their shit together cg wise. Any decent home computer and a 3d software licence can and does turn out tv quality sfx like so


Then they need to rip all the yellow glowing stuff out of the design and strip out the saturated green/blue color on the engine housing while they are at it. Dim the engines and minimalise the size of the massive glowing panels. Flatten the head of the ship too to pull away the feeling that it is a bird of prey/defiant kitbash.

183. desmond - October 2, 2012

180 paul

I guess the point to be made here is that there is no excuse for the bad parts of the trailer.

Trailers are meant to sell the products they showcase. If the trailer has bad editing, then i have no reason to believe the actual film will be edited any better.

I also think the trailer suffers from serious mixed messages. They are aiming for darker and realistic but then you contrast that with an almost cartoon like powerslide by their ship around screen.

I also think they really need to get their shit together cg wise. Any decent home computer and a 3d software licence can and does turn out tv quality sfx like so


Then they need to rip all the yellow glowing stuff out of the design and strip out the saturated green/blue color on the engine housing while they are at it. Dim the engines and minimalise the size of the massive glowing panels. Flatten the head of the ship too to pull away the feeling that it is a bird of prey/defiant kitbash.

184. Joe - October 3, 2012

Overly dramatic… no thanks. I could write better.

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