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Science Saturday: Measure a Black Hole + Biological Wi-Fi + Daytime Comet + Mars Sample Return + More September 29, 2012

by Kayla Iacovino , Filed under: Science/Technology , trackback

Welcome back to an exciting edition of Science Saturday! This week, measure the radius (and more!) of a supermassive black hole; have wi-fi (or, rather, bi-fi) installed in your body; ready for a dazzling comet show in 2013; and bring rocks back from Mars. All this and more, plus our gadget of the week: Wall-Ye, the French wine robot!

 

Astronomers Make First Measurement of the Radius of a Black Hole
Using a massive array of radio telescopes across Hawaii, California, and Arizona, an astronomy team from MIT have assembled the “Event Horizon Telescope” and measured for the first time the radius of the supermassive black hole at the center of galaxy M87. The Event Horizon telescope array can see 2,000 times the detail of Hubble, allowing the scientists to get a fix on the size of a black hole 50 million light years away and 6 billion times more massive than our sun. More than just measuring its size, astronomers will now be able to better understand dynamics of black holes and help to confirm Einstein’s theories of gravitation.


Computer model showing gravitation distortion near the event horizon of M87′s supermassive black hole


Bioengineers create Bi-Fi, the Biological Internet
We all love having wi-fi on our smartphones, but what about inside our bodies? That’s precisely what bioengineers have created in a recent study published in The Journal of Biological Engineering. By altering a non-lethal, rather innocuous virus called M13, researchers have turned M13′s ability to broadcast genetic information into something useful for bioengineers in the future to create complex, multicellular networks that could work together to solve problems in the human body.

M13 is an breakthrough in cell communication, since any kind of message can be sent or received. “If your network connection is based on sugar then your messages are limited to ‘more sugar,’ ‘less sugar,’ or ‘no sugar’” explained Endy, second author of the study. With M13, those messages can become far more complex. Radhika Nagpal, professor of computer science explains, “The ability to communicate ‘arbitrary’ messages is a fundamental leap — from just a signal-and-response relationship to a true language of interaction.”


Are you bi-fi enabled?

Newly Discovered Comet Could Dazzle the Daytime Sky in 2013
A newly discovered comet, called Comet ISON, might just put on a beautiful sky show late next year. It may even be bright enough to be seen in the daytime sky. ISON was announced last Monday by Russians Vitali Nevski and Artyom Novichonok, who detected it in photographs taken three days earlier using a 15.7″ telescope. Upon its discovery, ISON was 625 million miles (1 billion kilometers) from Earth shining at the dim magnitude of 18.8. During its closest approach on Nov 28, 2013, the comet will come within 800,000 miles (1.2 million km) of the sun’s surface.

More at Space.com.


Comet ISON

NASA to Bring Pieces of Mars Back Home to Earth
NASA’s Curiosity Rover landed on the Red Planet without a hitch, and now NASA’s sights are set on sample return — that’s bringing a bit of Mars back to Earth. Over the course of the next few months, NASA will be mapping out its plans for the next several years, with Mars sample return in the spotlight. Once the White House releases its budget for fiscal year 2014, NASA will announce what method we will use to carry out the sample return mission.

Right now, they are looking at three options: multiple launches with three separate spacecraft — a rover to collect the rock, an ascent vehicle to bring that rock into Mars orbit, and an orbiter that would take that rock and send it back to Earth; a single launch where one complex spacecraft would perform all of these functions; or multiple rovers that would sample different sites on the planet, and then the ascent vehicle would rendezvous with the rover carrying the most interesting samples and send those home. NASA hopes to find rock samples that might contain traces or evidence of past life on Mars.

More at Space.com.


Artist rendition of a Mars Sample Return Vehicle

Gadget of the Week: Wall-Ye, the French Wine Robot
Meet Wall-Ye, who, just like his namesake, is a robot. But this robot doesn’t mess around watching Hello Dolly, no sir. Wall-Ye is always hard at work tending to grape vines in the vineyards of France. Wall-Ye has been designed with six cameras and vine pruning tools to tend to, prune, and eventually event harvest grapes for wine makers. The robot has been welcomed by small and large vineyards alike to take care of the boring, back-breaking labor associated with tending the fields.

Science Bytes
Not enough science for you? Here’s a warp-speed look at some more science tid-bits that are worth a peek.

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Comments

1. Old Geezer - September 29, 2012

First?? Although I am not sure it matters.

2. Mac - September 29, 2012

It’s about time! Yeah…Science Saturday!

3. CmdrR - September 29, 2012

Oh, Wine-bot, fetch me the Boones Farm! (cheap model)

Thanks, Kayla. I was having withdrawal.

(We really wish Anthony would post a notice on when the articles will start again. Vacations are nice, but this is just costing him his viewers.)

4. jamesingeneva - September 29, 2012

Thanks Kayla!

5. SoonerDave - September 29, 2012

Just as an aside, TrekWeb has posted excerpts from interviews with John Cho and Karl Urban about the Trek sequel. Overtures to its “epic” and McCoy’s “heroism” are made, as well as the “emotional” overtones of the new movie.

Cho interview from “Today”
http://trekweb.com/stories.php?aid=50605c1690686&topBrowse=all

Urban comments on Bones in sequel;
http://trekweb.com/stories.php?aid=505eb8673936c&topBrowse=all

I post these while musing to myself the question of why TrekMovie.com doesn’t post stuff like this anymore….

6. Thorny - September 29, 2012

I hope Comet ISON doesn’t fizzle-out next year like Comet Kohoutek did in 1973-74 (for those you not old enough to remember, Kohoutek was predicted to be spectacular but ended up being very modest.). If the predictions hold up, this might be a once-in-a-lifetime event (literally.) Even if it is only half as bright as predicted, it will still be dazzling at night. And… miracle of miracles, this comet is actually predicted to be visible from the Northern Hemisphere! (It seems like most of the really bright comets of the half-century have been visible only from the Southern Hemisphere.) The 18th and 19th Centuries seemed to have lots of bright comets, with “The Great Comet of 17xx” and “The Great Comet of 18xx” every decade or two, but there has been a long dry spell since then. Here’s hoping we get “The Great Comet of 2013″ next year.

7. StevenPDX - September 29, 2012

Speaking of science, I heard a very interesting story on the radio about electronic devices that can be implanted in your body, then dissolve when they’re done. Made of non-harmful materials like silk, magnesium, and silicon, they can be used to monitor medical conditions, aid with healing, and so on. Pretty cool stuff.

Also been fascinated by the **incredible photos** from Curiosity. When I see the surface and the mountains in the distance, I keep thinking to myself, “Man! That’s another planet!” Makes me wonder what it would be like if Star Trek ever became reality…to step onto another class M planet…to breathe its air and see it’s landscape…and to realize you’re not on Earth. I can’t imagine how overpowering that would feel!

Thanks for a great science update, Kayla!

8. Son of Sarek - September 29, 2012

Visits to this site are down -31.34% in the past 3 months! Hopefully this will improve once SOMETHING of import about the movie is posted here.

9. Flake - September 29, 2012

Well all you have to do with check google news 3 times a day and then post links and snippets in the news, its so easy ! I would happily do it.

10. Flake - September 29, 2012

Well all you have to do with check google news 3 times a day and then post links and snippets in the news, its so easy ! I would happily do it.

11. Steve J. - September 29, 2012

A recent article of possible interest: Warp Drive May Be More Feasible…

http://news.yahoo.com/warp-drive-may-more-feasible-thought-scientists-161301109.html?_esi=1

12. Steve J. - September 29, 2012

A recent article of possible interest: Warp Drive May Be More Feasible…

http://news.yahoo.com/warp-drive-may-more-feasible-thought-scientists-161301109.html?_esi=1

13. Flake - September 29, 2012

Maybe its not so easy since I just double posted. Double news posts coming your way!

14. Bored, Bored, Bored with Star Trek. - September 29, 2012

At least this is a new post…

Perhaps they should change the name of this site to

‘UsedtobeaboutTrekMovie.com’

It would be more accurate that way.

15. CAPT KRUNCH - September 29, 2012

Finally…science is cool….is there no TREK news out there…what’s going on with the movie..2 entries in 3 weeks and no movie news..well J.J . must be happy …no leaks LOL

16. Thor - September 29, 2012

No Trek news? Take a look at TrekWeb.

17. CmdrR - September 29, 2012

6 – I remember going to the observatory in the 70′s and standing in a long line to take a :10 peek at Kahoutek. Alas, it had shot its celestial wad, partially breaking up into the Sun, and was barely a blur even in the most powerful telescope around.

Would love to see a really cool comet… assuming it’s not coming right at us.

18. CmdrR - September 29, 2012

Steve J — To paraphrase the immortal Homer Simpson, “Mmmm. Space donuts. Is there anything they can’t do???” **drools**

19. pick44 - September 29, 2012

Hey did you guys miss the 25th anniversary of TNG or did you just not care?

20. tom - September 29, 2012

They missed it, and then decided rather than draw attention to that fact (by mentioning it late), they would just not mention it at all.

21. SoonerDave - September 29, 2012

Think the handwriting is on the wall for TrekMovie.com, for whatever reason…posting only straggling articles, perhaps other things are taking prioirty for Anthony, who knows. Playing out the string, it seems to me, until the hits just, well, stop. Hate to see it, but hey, its not my site. Didn’t realize that there really was some Trek news out there until I visited TrekWeb, saw some other stuff out there. Just the way it goes, I guess.

22. Balok - September 29, 2012

Geez, you guys are such a bunch of cry baby whiners. Here’s the deal: Sometimes this site is updated and sometimes it’s not. Unless you all purchased some type of subscription to this site, Anthony owes you nothing. Get over it. The interwebs is an amazing place. If you need more Star Trek news go to news.google.com and type Star Trek in the search box…voila’ more Star Trek news.

23. Craiger - September 29, 2012

Balok we are complaining because this site is not living up to its tagline – “The Source For Everything New In Trek.” That means everything not just sequel news but no matter how small of Trek news their is, something like when the Trek Caldendar’s are released or when the next releases of the TNG BluRay’s are released or what other Trek actors are up to. This site is not doing that anymore. If Anthony wants to make this a part-time Trek news site then that tagline should be taken down. If he doesn’t care about running this site anymore then he should tell us the status and say it will become part-time or taken down. Without us loyal viewers their wouldn’t be a TrekMovie.com.

24. Craiger - September 29, 2012

Also if Anthony does has other obligations then that’s fine be he should say something like with other things going on with his life he can no longer run this site so Trekmovie will be closing it down in a few days, thanks to the loyal viewers who supported this site over the years. I think we would all be fine with something like that right? We would quit complaining and go elsewhere for Trek news but that might not be possible with Gustavo leaving Trekweb in late 2013 then only the official StarTrek site, TrekToday and Treknews.net will be the only sites for Trek news. Maybe people aren’t interested in Trek news anymore and that’s why their may be just a few Trek news sites left?

25. Craiger - September 29, 2012

Also if Anthony does has other obligations then that’s fine be he should say something like with other things going on with his life he can no longer run this site so Trekmovie will be closing it down in a few days, thanks to the loyal viewers who supported this site over the years. I think we would all be fine with something like that right? We would quit complaining and go elsewhere for Trek news but that might not be possible with Gustavo leaving Trekweb in late 2013 then only the official StarTrek site, TrekToday and Treknews.net will be the only sites for Trek news. Maybe people aren’t interested in Trek news anymore and that’s why their may be just a few Trek news sites left?

26. Craiger - September 29, 2012

Sorry for the double post.

27. Bored to tears - September 29, 2012

Now the new postings on this site have been reduced to postings about the lack of news… I propose that we all vote and change the name of this site to the following;

http://www.usedtobeabouttrek.com -or-

www. nonewsabouttrek.com -or-

http://www.fanpostingsoftreknews.com

anybody game?… how about some freaking news, people!!!!

28. AJ - September 29, 2012

http://www.comediva.com/klingon-style-lyrics

29. Steve J. - September 29, 2012

Star Trek and model railroading…Lots of Trek references in this product newsletter from Rapido Trains:

http://www.rapidotrains.com/rapidonewscurrent.html

“Dammit Jim! I’m a model railroader, not a doctor!”

30. CmdrR - September 29, 2012

28 – Not bad. Much better than some of the other Trek music we’ve seen.

31. CmdrR - September 29, 2012

And… for the 349587240985724509823756029837523048579243342987th time…
It’s Anthony’s candy store. I’d love to see more articles. But, it’s his choice.

32. Rose (as in Keachick) - September 29, 2012

Frankly, it’s a wonder that any of the people on Trekmovie staff bother to post any articles at all. Kayla has just posted her Saturday Science article and all that most of you can do is YET AGAIN bitch and whine about what is not happening. What a bunch of ingrates!

Disgusting!

33. Jonboc - September 29, 2012

#32. Agreed.

34. AJ - September 29, 2012

32/Rose

C’mon.

There used to be more of that ‘community spirit’ here with Anthony as the gruff ‘community leader’ (ref. DS9, episode 1). We had Charles Trotter, John Tenuto, Kayla, Mark and Rosario all actively lurking around. Even a kid used to post articles about his perspectives on Trek. All back before ST09.

I am grateful that Kayla, who is busy getting her PhD in the UK, finds time to post a science article from time-to-time. But, we are not whinging ‘ingrates.’ While I do not subscribe to the abandonment theory, the site does seem to be listing a little bit.

Patrick Stewart on the “Daily Show” was in TIME’s top 5 comedy gags of the week, and the horrid tune I posted in 28 is now ‘trending’ on YouTube. Just post them w/o an article so we can talk about them is all.. TNG had its 25th anniversary this week. Big wow, right?

35. AJ - September 29, 2012

Anyone else lose the yellow “Trekmovie” masthead up top?

36. Andy Patterson - September 29, 2012

@ 36

Yes. Maybe a sign of things.

37. Andy Patterson - September 29, 2012

I meant @35

38. Crewman Darnell - September 29, 2012

@ 6. Thorny
I was in the 3rd grade when Comet Kohoutek made it’s so-called “Grand Entry.” What a major disappointment that was. Even with a telescope, it was just a blurry smudge in the sky. Comet Hale-Bopp in 1995 was pretty cool though. Even with the light pollution in the ‘burbs of Portland, Oregon, it was bright enough to view and tape on my old VHS camcorder.

39. Crewman Darnell - September 29, 2012

I guess I should add, too bad about those “Heavens Gate” morons, though. :-/

40. Montreal_Paul - September 29, 2012

35. AJ

Nope. It’s still there.

41. Red Dead Ryan - September 29, 2012

You know, if it weren’t for us “whiners”, we wouldn’t have had ANY articles in the past month. If it weren’t for us “whiners”, fine people like Kayla wouldn’t bother putting up articles, because without us, the staff would assume no one cares about this site anymore.

We spoke up, and we got an article today. Just that simple.

Something for Keachick and Jonboc to think about.

42. TrekMadeMeWonder - September 29, 2012

Good fun reading. Thanks!

43. Captain Ransom's back - September 29, 2012

@41 Red Dead Ryan

Of course you got what you wanted… parents usually give into their whiny kids after a tantrum. ;) lol

44. Captain Ransom's back - September 29, 2012

@41 Red Dead Ryan

And if I remember correctly, Kayla felt uncomfortable putting up that article. She felt pushed into it. Just something for you to think about as well.

45. Captain Ransom's back - September 29, 2012

Not this article.. but one a few weeks back. Kayla has always posted Science Saturdays. Has nothing to do with your whining this time.

46. Red Dead Ryan - September 29, 2012

#s 43 and 44.

Look, this is a Trek website. With the tagline “The Source For Everything New In Trek”. Therefore, with that tagline, fans do have a right to expect new articles once in while. Otherwise, its false advertisement.

As for Kayla, yes, she was uncomfortable putting up that Neil Armstrong article. But I think that stems from none of the other staff doing anything about it.

47. Captain Ransom's back - September 29, 2012

@46 Red Dead Ryan

Whine, whine and whine some more. No, she felt it wasn’t her place to so the article and she felt uncomfortable from all the pressure you whiners were giving her.

There are a lot of other Star Trek websites out there. Some better than others. Take your pick, you will find your news anywhere else like I do. I come back and check here, find nothing so I look elsewhere. What will whining do other than annoy people. For God’s sake, if you are that annoyed with this site for lack of news, go find it elsewhere. It’s as simple as that. No need to bitch and moan about it.

48. Craiger - September 29, 2012

#47 – In Trekmovie’s heyday no other Trek site beat this one for news. Now its a shell of its former glory. I also liked where Anthony gathered Trek news from other sites so you didn’t have to. We would all stop complaining if Anthony would just post a status update on Trekmovie right? He doesn’t have one min. to say I can’t run this site anymore due to other obligations so I’m closing it down. Thanks for all your support. Is that too much to ask? Then I am sure we would leave him alone and go elsewhere for news.

Their wouldn’t be a Trekmovie if it were not for us loyal viewers. The thing I liked about this site is that we had people involved with Trek’s past posting here and I liked chatting with them, and now they don’t even post here anymore. I think fans of this site will pretty soon get sick and tired of coming back to check for news and their isn’t any. Then one day Anthony will wonder where did everyone go?

49. Captain Ranson's back - September 29, 2012

48. Craiger

It’s a sign of the times. There are at least 15 Star Trek sites that I can think of, not to mention other places like SFX that have Trek news too.

Who knows what happened to Anthony. Maybe he is frustrated with the day to day operation, maybe he moved on to bigger and better things, maybe he is ill, maybe he has family issues, maybe he just doesn’t care anymore or, what for it, there is no new news about the movie yet! Fact is that nobody knows. This is Anthony’s site and he can do what ever he wants with it.

Maybe just removing that tag line that everyone seems to like to quote – it’s just a tagline, not a promise folks.

Anyway, go back to your whining. I will continue to stop in here to see if there is any news, if not, I will check the other sites. No whining, simple as that. Carry on, folks.

50. Craiger - September 29, 2012

#49 – I say that tagline is a promise.

51. Captain Ransom's back - September 29, 2012

@ Craiger

Well perhaps, right now, there is nothing new in Trek. Other than cast members being asked about the movie and just saying that it’s “epic, marvelous, thrilling, captivating, etc” … but that isn’t news. The fact is, they are in post production right now. It hasn’t even been a year since shooting started last year. Hell, I doubt it has even been a year since they started writing it. Give it time, when there is NEW news worth posting, you will see a new article.

52. Craiger - September 29, 2012

#51 – Did you not read what we have been saying this site is just not about the sequel its about other Trek news their would be enough other Trek and Scifi news to post a couple of articles a day. If you are a Trek fan this was the place to go for all types of Trek news, what other Trek stars are up to, Trek products news ect. That’s what we mean by Trekmovie’s tagline and that is why we think Anthony doesn’t even care about posting that news anymore. It would be nice of him to lets us know if we need to go elsewhere for that news as well.

53. Daoud - September 29, 2012

Kayla, thank you for the great Science Saturday!

54. Captain Ransom's back - September 29, 2012

@ Craiger

I did read yours. But do you remember what people used to post in those articles about “all things Trek” … such as the articles about the comics or articles about what the cast is saying about the movie when they can’t say anything about the movie? People just whine about those articles because, to quote them, “have nothing to do with the new movie.” And, “why are you posting crap like this about comics, who cares about the comics?” So you see, I can understand Anthony’s apprehension in posting any articles that don’t have something substantial to say about the movie. When you get comments from whiners like that, I bet he is just waiting until something substantial is out there. Know what I mean?

55. Sebastian S. - September 29, 2012

Nice to have these science Saturdays back! I like them. Thanks, Kayla.
;-)

And I do hope they’re serious about the Mars sample return this time. Even though I have ever increasing doubts that I’ll live long enough to see human footprints on Mars, I can at least hope to see a successful sample return mission someday…

And thanks once again to the engineering team behind Curiosity; every time JPL/NASA has a brilliantly successful mission that captures the popular imagination, the allocation funding purse strings loosen just a tiny bit….

56. Red Dead Ryan - September 29, 2012

Actually, I don’t recall too many complaints being posted on threads about comics, toys, novels, etc. Most people, myself included, enjoy those articles.

57. Eric Cheung - September 29, 2012

Surprised not to see this: http://gizmodo.com/5942634/nasa-starts-development-of-real-life-star-trek-warp-drive

58. Captain Ransom's back - September 29, 2012

@56 Red Dead Ryan

Hmm, I guess you obviously don’t read all the comments then. There were quite a few on the most recent one. Actually, your buddy MJ was one of them. Fact is, there are always whiners in articles that aren’t about the new movie and maybe Anthony is fed up with all the whiners and isn’t posting anything you guys wouldn’t find “new” newsworthy stuff.

From what I have seen on other sites is basically non-news from interviews with the cast. Basically all saying (or not saying) the same thing. Would you want that on this site? Would you be happy with an article like that getting posted everyday?

“John Cho says the movie will be epic! Can’t say anything about the movie.”
“Chris Pine says it’s really character driven… can’t say anything more.”
“Cumberbatch says villain will be fantastic on screen! No, can’t tell you who I’m playing though.”

So would you like that everyday like Trekweb posts or would you rather wait for real news interspersed with Science Saturday and Trekink, etc?

59. Harry Ballz - September 29, 2012

Kayla

I admire and respect your diligence in posting a new thread to this site.

Nowadays, that seems an accomplishment in, and of, itself!

Kudos.

60. bud - September 29, 2012

Who farted again???

61. bud - September 29, 2012

Who farted again???

62. Pharaoh - September 29, 2012

He who first smelt it, dealt it.

63. LizardGirl - September 29, 2012

The Bi-fi part is fascinating. It’s a virus that’s used as a communication device between cells. It got me thinking though: can we fine tailor a virus to perform a specific task in the human or animal body safely?

We have things like the flu vaccine, which is pretty much the flu virus. Yet with that, you have the risk of actually catching the flu from the vaccine itself! Vaccines taken from strains of a virus have a risk of backfiring…majorly (i.e. I Am Legend).

But is it a possibility or still theory? Could a virus be intricately programmed to attack cancer cells only, leaving healthy cell untouched (i.e. hair, fingernails, white blood cells)? Or maybe boost the production of a lacking enzyme or hormone or whatever a body needs (but complex enough to balance)? Hmm…an intelligent virus… I don’t think M13 is that complex (more sugar, less sugar, no sugar). But wow, it’s a start! The questions here were more of a reflection.

*******
Intelligent virus: great premise for sci-fi flicks. Especially, Trek related. It would be nice to get a sci-fi movie that focuses on the good of science and not the morally questionable, or the how-it-went-wrong. Granted, a movie like that may not get a lot of raves but I could see it becoming a cult classic. For the simple fact that it’s different from its contemporaries. Maybe a small budget film?

I think the last movie I saw that was kind of like that was Bicentennial Man. It was kind of sad but, more positive than negative. And it had science fiction elements.

******
Hmm..designer viruses?….Ha, ha, I’m all over the place! But it’s soo cool!!

64. LizardGirl - September 29, 2012

Edit: The Bi-fi part is fascinating. A virus that used…(shouldn’t have said “It’s”. M13 is the virus, not Bi-fi.)

65. AJ - September 30, 2012

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3wf717fKFE

And why not?

66. CmdrR - September 30, 2012

AJ – I still have what I think is the normal masthead… with the gold into blue uni look.

67. T'Cal - September 30, 2012

God bless Ronald D. Moore!
from wired.com:
Wired: I know J.J. Abrams successfully rebooted Star Trek on film, and has a sequel in development, but it still stuns me that we have no new Star Trek series on television. What do you think it would take to make that happen?

Moore: People have to understand that the Star Trek films are a different animal. And that goes for the original series’ movies, as well as those from The Next Generation, and from J.J. By their nature, the Star Trek films are much more action-oriented, with space battles, big villains, lots of running and jumping. The stakes for Earth and the universe are always enormous.

But the lifeblood of Star Trek’s television shows is its morality plays and social commentary. It’s sci-fi that provides a prism on human society and culture. The movies are never really going to do what the episodes do, like split Picard into two in a transporter beam and then talk philosophically about the nature of humanity, which parts of our strength come from good and which from evil. The movies are never going to do that. Star Trek: The Next Generation was about those moral issues, about how societies grow and are differently affected. None of these are topics that the movies are going to tackle.

To create Star Trek in the form that people are familiar with requires another television series, and I think it will be successful again in that medium. You have to spend some time talking about its form and structure, and how to update it again for a new audience. You still want the “boldly go where no one has gone before” part with a ship, crew and ongoing mission. That’s part and parcel of the franchise

But you have to be able to tackle big ideas, which are larger than chasing the villain of the week. That’s really not what the series was very good at. I mean, you could look back at the original Star Trek series or The Next Generation and find some cool action-adventure episodes with space battles, but the show is about so much more than that. If you were trying to do that flavor of Star Trek on television every week, it would just fail.

68. Lt. Daniels - September 30, 2012

Has anyone seen or heard what Hasbro is making with the Star Trek 2013 movie action figures? I’m hoping that Hasbro is making 4.5″ figures more like the first Star Trek figures that Playmates Toys made. Not like the small Star Wars figures that they make.

69. Lt. Daniels - September 30, 2012

Has anyone seen or heard what Hasbro is making with the Star Trek 2013 movie action figures? I’m hoping that Hasbro is making 4.5″ figures more like the first Star Trek figures that Playmates Toys made. Not like the small Star Wars figures that they make.

70. Lt. Daniels - September 30, 2012

Has anyone seen or heard what Hasbro is making with the Star Trek 2013 movie action figures? I’m hoping that Hasbro is making 4.5″ figures more like the first Star Trek figures that Playmates Toys made. Not like the small Star Wars figures that they make.

71. Lt. Daniels - September 30, 2012

Has anyone seen or heard what Hasbro is making with the Star Trek 2013 movie action figures? I’m hoping that Hasbro is making 4.5″ figures more like the first Star Trek figures that Playmates Toys made. Not like the small Star Wars figures that they make.

72. Lt. Daniels - September 30, 2012

Has anyone seen or heard what Hasbro is making with the Star Trek 2013 movie action figures? I’m hoping that Hasbro is making 4.5″ figures more like the first Star Trek figures that Playmates Toys made. Not like the small Star Wars figures that they make.

73. CmdrR - September 30, 2012

Maybe if an Enterprise crew were locked in a horribly furnished house and made to shower together for our amusement, and then we could listen to them talk about who’s sleeping with who… all for our amusement, so we could chat with our BBF’s about what a byotch Worf is….

Like, that kind of modern TV? I think I’ll pass.

74. crazydaystrom - September 30, 2012

Thanks Kayla, another great Science Saturday. The whole Bi-Fi/M13 thing particularly intriguing. Wow, the future is not too far away.

Wow! Here it is!

75. I'm Dead Jim! - September 30, 2012

Thanks, Kayla! Love your dedication to science here!

Meanwhile in Trek news, Here’s a good Ron Moore interview from trekweb about why the Trek we know and love can only be found in tv series form. I totally agree!

http://trekweb.com/stories.php?aid=5065b0fa0ba19&topBrowse=all

76. Lostrod - September 30, 2012

While things are slow here you can always read the latest news on my daily Sci-Fi Galaxy newsletter.

Latest issue is now out:

http://paper.li/f-1310550694?utm_source=subscription&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=paper_sub

Regards.

77. Vulcan 2.0 - September 30, 2012

Bi-fi? WHAT? So if this gets off the ground hacker ‘collectives’ will branch into biohacking and start hacking peoples’ bodies to what… infect individuals with viruses from across the world? Stop the processing of nutrients by the body? Order the heart to stop working using a jailbroken iPhone? Coming soon to a society near you… a future where we’re all akin to Jem’Hadar… as Bender from Futurama would say, ‘We’re boned.’

78. Vulcan 2.0 - September 30, 2012

Bi-fi? WHAT? So if this gets off the ground hacker ‘collectives’ will branch into biohacking and start hacking peoples’ bodies to what… infect individuals with viruses from across the world? Stop the processing of nutrients by the body? Order the heart to stop working using a jailbroken iPhone? Coming soon to a society near you… a future where we’re all akin to Jem’Hadar… as Bender from Futurama would say, ‘We’re boned.’

79. Vulcan 2.0 - September 30, 2012

Bi-fi? WHAT? So if this gets off the ground hacker ‘collectives’ will branch into biohacking and start hacking peoples’ bodies to what… infect individuals with viruses from across the world? Stop the processing of nutrients by the body? Order the heart to stop working using a jailbroken iPhone? Coming soon to a society near you… a future where we’re all akin to Jem’Hadar… as Bender from Futurama would say, ‘We’re boned.’

80. Vulcan 2.0 - September 30, 2012

Bi-fi? WHAT? So if this gets off the ground hacker ‘collectives’ will branch into biohacking and start hacking peoples’ bodies to what… infect individuals with viruses from across the world? Stop the processing of nutrients by the body? Order the heart to stop working using a jailbroken iPhone? Coming soon to a society near you… a future where we’re all akin to Jem’Hadar… as Bender from Futurama would say, ‘We’re boned.’

81. CmdrR - September 30, 2012

These double and triple posts are ridiculous. We’re in the 80′s, but I doubt we have 60 posts.

82. Red Dead Ryan - September 30, 2012

#58.

No, I don’t really care for the articles where the movie actors are only saying things like “It’s going to be epic”, and “It was a blast making the movie”.

My complaints are about the lack of real articles, the ones about comics, novels, action figures, sci-fi etc. If others were complaining about those articles, well, then that’s there problem.

#62.

He who wrote the joke, released the invisible butt-smoke. :-)

83. Red Dead Ryan - September 30, 2012

there=their

DAMN TYPOS!!!

84. Vulcan 2.0 - September 30, 2012

@81– this double, triple, etc post issue, which I myself suffered from (not a conscious action on my part, btw) might be a technical glitch. I ‘m starting to think the severe lack of proper updating/maintenance on this site these days is starting to affect the functioning of the comment section now. No doubt this post will end up double or triple posting :S If people cannot maintain this site effectively, perhaps its time for them to find someone who will. Or convert it into a Facebook group or something. Or sell/gift it to Michael Dorn or some other Trek alum.

85. Red Dead Ryan - September 30, 2012

YO!

86. Red Dead Ryan - September 30, 2012

YO!

87. Red Dead Ryan - September 30, 2012

YO!

88. Red Dead Ryan - September 30, 2012

YO!

89. Red Dead Ryan - September 30, 2012

Hmmm, yeah, there does seem to be an echo in here.

90. Red Dead Ryan - September 30, 2012

AH-HA!

I think I know the cause. Everyone who quadruple-posted clicked on the “say it!” button four times inadvertantly before there post was sent!

91. Red Dead Ryan - September 30, 2012

there=their

MORE DAMN TYPOS!!!

92. Craiger - September 30, 2012

Yo, Typos!!! Yippe Typos LOL. Testing 123

93. Red Dead Ryan - September 30, 2012

Yippie-yi-yo-ky-yay!

Or, for all you “Die Hard” fans

“Yippie-ky-yay, motherfu*ker!”

94. Dr. Image - September 30, 2012

Also heard that NASA’s considering having an Orion go out to hook up with the sample return vehicle so that it doesn’t have to be hardened for re-entry. Good idea. Now stick Orion on an Atlas V and test it- soon!
Glad that Orion survived the tragic Obama cut of the moon program (which was purely political, BTW).
But even NASA presonnel are perplexed by the institution of the SLS to replace the Ares V, which had even heavier lift capacity.
I’m sure the Chinese will eventually invite us over to tour their moonbase someday…

95. Dr. Image - September 30, 2012

Also heard that NASA’s considering having an Orion go out to hook up with the sample return vehicle so that it doesn’t have to be hardened for re-entry. Good idea. Now stick Orion on an Atlas V and test it- soon!
Glad that Orion survived the tragic Obama cut of the moon program (which was purely political, BTW).
But even NASA presonnel are perplexed by the institution of the SLS to replace the Ares V, which had even heavier lift capacity.
I’m sure the Chinese will eventually invite us over to tour their moonbase someday…

96. Captain Ransom's back - September 30, 2012

@82 Red Dead Ryan

Well, considering that the comics only come out once a month. The novels come out every 3 to 6 months. There are no action figures out until a few months before the movie… etc. Well, you ARE getting that news. And there isn’t any REAL news out there. The last REAL news was the title of the movie. So you are getting EXACTLY what you want. No? Take away all the frivolous crap and you get EXACTLY what is on this site right now. PLUS you get Science Saturdays to boot… so why are you still whining?

97. Trekmovie is Dead - September 30, 2012

RIP Trekmovie. Oh how the forerunner in Trek information has collapsed in on itself. Good job Pascale, you keep right on being MIA. In the meantime let’s find out how badly the new movie will be hurt. LOL! This will not be deleted since no one bothers to maintain and moderate this dead site anymore.

98. Captain Ransom's back - September 30, 2012

@97 Trekmovie is Dead

I don’t understand. How does Anthony not posting articles have ANY affect on the new movie? I’ll tell you. It has none.

And why don’t you post your usual nickname? Just being a coward to not show who you really are? What a dick.

99. bardicjim - September 30, 2012

Boborci, I am really starting to get worried about Anthony. Do you happen to know if he is ok or not?

100. Jonboc - September 30, 2012

You can bet the rent that when the movie gets close to being released and trailers start to pepper the internet…if Tremovie is still active and boborci starts fielding questions that he can actually answer and discuss, everyone that has been complaining will be here with bells on! I check in a couple of times a week and will continue to do so. Seems to work for me just fine.

101. Gary S. - September 30, 2012

# 100,Trekmovie will still be here .
Thanks Kayla !
That Bi -fi tecnology sounds truly fascinating .

102. Gary S. - September 30, 2012

# 100,Trekmovie will still be here .
Thanks Kayla !
That Bi -fi tecnology sounds truly fascinating .

103. Bored, Bored, Bored with Star Trek. - September 30, 2012

@98 – 97 is right.. this site is dead. No one cleans up, and the posts have degenerated into the readers posting links to other trek sites with scraps of news about this upcoming non-existent movie.

R.I.P. Trekmovie.com…. and RIP Star Trek.. the movie is dead too, as far as anyone is concerned… no news about it.. no trailer.. no story.. it’s a big fat nothing.. we might as well be talking about the next Star Wars movie.. we have a better chance at information from them, than the Star Trek folks.. and certainly a better chance of getting some sort of Trek information from this website…

Anthony… just go ahead.. kill it now, before it’s too late.. Let this site go, and the other sites will be the source for everything trek… right now, this site is a dead zone.

104. LizardGirl - September 30, 2012

@67
I read that interview! He’s totally right about Trek on TV and what it’ll have to do differently from the movies. If you can, catch the one with LeVar. It’s on Underwire, but I got to the link from Trekweb. The links are on the right hand side of the page. I think the one with LeVar is dated the 26th.

Also, Patrick Stewart on the next X-Men movie, Yay!

105. Trekmovie is Dead - September 30, 2012

@98 Ransom’s Dick – I refuse to be a sycophant and continue to defend this site that alleges to be the source for everything Trek.

106. Spock/Uhura Admirer ;-) - September 30, 2012

Well, this is too bad. I left here about 6 week ago, and I come back (briefly) to see what’s up, and it’s the same ol’ thing. The site owner is absent, the posting looks glitchy, and the back-up/support staff are doing what they can (with or, more likely, without any direction/help). Even if the owner is ill (which I hope is not the case), this just proves to me that the planning (as in back-up plans) for running this site, should he be unavailable for an extended period of time, never happened.

And as for “all things Trek,” I knew that was inaccurate (to put it politely) when I found out that an omission in posted news happened based, possibly, off of the site owner’s preference. Trekweb and TrekToday are better at consistently reporting the whole story anyway, complete with all of the pictures.

And for anyone wanting to defend this site against my post, don’t worry, this will be deleted without explanation by somebody within the next 5-10 minutes. Until next time, if that happens.

107. Craiger - September 30, 2012

What if they spent $135 million on a movie and the dallies sucked so Paramount decided to can it? LOL. All this secrecy makes it look that way. Maybe Anthony knows this and that is why he is letting this site rot. I can’t stand it when someone puts up a site and just lets it go like this without any status update. Anthony didn’t even do that when he came back for a brief time three weeks ago. I guess he doesn’t feel we need a status update when people are just happy to have news?

108. rm10019 - September 30, 2012

So don’t come here anymore! Simple!

109. porthoses bitch - September 30, 2012

It must be getting near the point (if not already there) of longest period of no new trek (television or film). Since STTMP? Even then you can almost factor in tos and STTAS andSTTMP?

Although to be honest I remeber waiting months for any news in the seventies…and hoping for a bit of good news in APOTA (the welcommitte newsletter) or a snippet in New Eye Studios newsletter…..sigh ….sometimes I miss the joy of collecting filmclips…

110. Montreal_Paul - September 30, 2012

107. Craiger

With all due respect, but… Huh?!? I HIGHLY doubt that, Craiger. They are in post-production right now. Be patient, my friend, Once we hit November, you will hear more news. I believe that there will be a trailer attached to Hansel & Gretel at the beginning of January.

On a personal note, I have no problem with the secrecy. I find there is way too much info given away in trailers.. too many spoilers out there… for me, it really ruins the whole movie experience. I like going into a movie and be surprised by what I am seeing. I don’t want to see most of the movie before it comes out. And I believe that is JJ’s feeling too.

111. Craiger - September 30, 2012

Paul I am all for not knowing everything, I think we kind of got too spoiled on the last movie and basically we knew almost how the first movie was going to end. When they heavily promoted the first movie I was torn between wanting to know how the new Trek Universe was going to look. Their is secrecy and then their is too much secrecy that I think can hurt a film. All the new fans Trek got from the first one I think they may have lost most of them to were they would forgot that they even filmed a sequel. All I think we really need to know now is just who the bad guy is and the first trailer. Now I think we should get a real trailer and not a teaser with all this secrecy and waiting. Did knowing who the bad guys were for the new Spiderman, Batman and Superman spoil those movies? I don’t think so. Could it be if it is Khan they are afraid of Trek fans and even casual Trek fans saying oh, no its Khan again been their done that can’t the come up with anything new? I for one first thought that but the new Trek comics set in JJ’s Timeline changed my mind and the way I look at it is how classic Trek villains will be different in the new timeline.

112. Montreal_Paul - September 30, 2012

111. Craiger

Just because there is secrecy doesn’t mean there is a problem with the movie. No reshoots were ordered. They are well into post-production now. The secrecy will not hurt the movie one little bit. Honestly, do you see anyone saying “There is too much secrecy surrounding theis movie, I won’t see it.”

Most people (other than Trek fans) didn’t hear anything about the 09 movie until weeks before. Word of mouth is huge in this business. Just wait, you will see that you will get info about the movie. There is no news right now. It is far too soon to build any momentum for a movie that is being released in 9 months. If they released everything now.. it will be forgotten in a couple of months. All in due time. I am not worried in the least.

113. Craiger - September 30, 2012

So they are not going to start promoting the movie until January? Then really no point in coming here for news anymore. That’s really going to hurt this site also because people will think Anthony abandonded it. I don’t think I will come here anymore and just keep checking Collider.com for sequel news.

114. Montreal_Paul - September 30, 2012

113. Craiger

I have no idea what Anthony is doing with this site, but sites like Trekweb and Treknews are posting any Trek news… including those interviews with the cast that say nothing. It’s a lull right now. I don’t just check out this site, I make the rounds… sometime I get an article for the comics or something else… sometimes there is nothing. No big deal. My feeling is that once news comes out, people will still flock back here.

115. AJ - September 30, 2012

Montreal_Paul:

How much did starting promotion of “Avengers” almost a year out hurt that film’s worldwide revenues? None. It enhanced them greatly.

I was in Poland 2 years ago in a restaurant with a kid’s section, where the kiddies were watching X-Men and Star Wars cartoons and the kids were playing with light sabers. Poland was a communist country from 1945 until 1989. We had a poster here who said he had to drive two hours to Warsaw just to find the one cinema showing ST09. What have TPTB done to promote the franchise in that region since then? Squat. Those other franchises are quite well-known.

The brand has to be renewed in time for the new flick. JJ Abrams showing up with the actors in several countries on tour does nothing because no one knows or cares who they are. In Russia last year, most people I met thought it was another “Star Wars” promotion.

116. Craiger - September 30, 2012

AJ, I wonder how many kids play with Star Trek toys and pretend to be Kirk and Spock or fly the Enterprise around or even know about Trek as compared to The Avengers or Star Wars?

117. Craiger - September 30, 2012

Allthough Into Darkness might not be geared for kids. Hence the title.

118. Montreal_Paul - September 30, 2012

115. AJ

I never said it would hurt the film to promote it a year ahead of time. But I did say it wouldn’t hurt the film not promoting it a year ahead of time.

Honestly, they can promote the hell out if it a year or two ahead of tine… it doesn’t do anything more for the film. Like I said, people will go all oohh and ahhh when they see the promo but will forget all about it within weeks when another film is being promoted.

Take a look what is coming out in the next 6 months… you have big movies like Bond coming out. Promote Trek now and it just gets lost in the shuffle.

Let’s look at the Avenger’s promotion since you mentioned it. I remember the trailers a year ahead of time. Yeah, spectacular! But then I forgot all about it until a month or so before the movie. So, did seeing the trailer a year a head of time help get me into the theatre? Nope. I would have seen it anyway because I saw the trailer a month or so before the film. Know what I mean.

Just don’t forget, the marketing for the movie ahead of time wasn’t just for the movie… it was to sell toys too.

Let me ask you this… how many trailers for Skyfall have you seen? The movie comes out in November. Other than on websites, I haven’t seen any on TV. I saw one in the theatres last month.

119. Montreal_Paul - September 30, 2012

117. Craiger

Trek has never really been geared towards kids like Star Wars has been. Completely different tone. Star Wars has always been cartoony… maybe that is why I never really got into Star Wars. I saw all the movies but only once and never really got into the whole Star Wars thing. I have never even seen an episode of Clone Wars.

120. Lostrod - September 30, 2012

#118

Not to get in the trailer crossfire, but I think I’ve seen two Skyfall trailers and a TV spot. Plus a big Olympics promo stunt.

Skyfall has a similar problem to the ST sequel because it also has a long gap since the prior film in the series.

Regards.

121. Shilliam Watner (Click for Trek Ships Poster) - September 30, 2012

Sigh…

122. Montreal_Paul - September 30, 2012

120. Lostrod

And like Trek, the gap won’t have any affect on Bond. Not many people have heard it’s coming out soon… but people will still go. Bond is a great comparison to Trek. Longtime franchise. Long history. Huge reboot. It hasn’t hurt Bond and it won’t hurt Trek. The 09 movie was the most successful in terms of box office compared to previous Trek movies.

It’s Bond’s 50th anniversary and it will do well. It has a build in audience and new followers. Trek has a built in audience and new followers – it will do well too.

123. Red Dead Ryan - September 30, 2012

Yeah, I guess we might as well get used to a “slow news” period for the next six months. Problem is, we used to get sci-fi articles to help fill the void.

It’s a damn shame, I think this site is the best Trek site for fans to discuss stuff.

124. Bored, Bored, Bored with Star Trek. - September 30, 2012

The silence about the movie only shows the studio’s lack of confidence in it. Letting some of the plot elements out did NOT hurt the first movie… we all went and saw it.. it made money.. everybody was happy… it’s only a few people preference that total secrecy be maintained… we will all go to see it, and buy the merchandise, and but the DVD, and the Blu Ray, and the freaking ultra special edition combo pack.. and someone will post a picture of the bottom of Chris Pine’s shoe and call it news. Mission accomplished.

**yawn.**

Bob Orci, if you are out there.. no one cares about your movie.. Tell JJ… no one cares.

125. Captain Ransom's back - September 30, 2012

@124 Bored, Bored, Bored with Star Trek.

Well you obviously know absolutely nothing about the movie business. If the Studio didn’t feel confidant in the movie, we would be reading about reshoots and rewrites like what happened with GI Joe.

Oh… by the way, You going to eat crow when the movie succeeds without you? Who cares if you don’t care about the movie. If you think that people won’t go to the movie because they are in post production and there is no news yet that they will boycott the movie…. well, I have to know – what color is the sky in your world? Hahahaha.

By the way – use your usual name. Coward. Wow. What a douchebag.

126. The Observer - September 30, 2012

Go, Go, Go Away Then.

127. LongIslandTrekster - September 30, 2012

#5 – Amen!

128. Sebastian S. - September 30, 2012

# 95

Dr Image~

The Constellation lunar return program was never properly funded to begin with. It was better off canceled than to exist as a side R&D program that only served to siphon money away from the more productive unmanned probes. Obama only mercy killed it; it was already dead when he took office, as it never had any real funding allocated to it anyway. It was on life support. I should know, my wife’s cousin worked on it.

Even Wally Schirra, whom I heard speak in Pasadena back in 2006 (before his death a year later) derisively referred to project Constellation as “Apollo on food stamps”….

129. Aaron (Naysayers gonna nay...) - September 30, 2012

What I miss is the periodic hellos from boborci… people don’t even try to ask him questions anymore he’s been so long absent.

130. Nick - October 1, 2012

129:

Bob Orci was on the comic review thread just the other day & answered some questions. I think he still calls in quite often.

131. porthoses bitch - October 1, 2012

Anyone remember when ST09 was shifted from Xmas 08 ? Ive got a funny feeling about xmas13….sigh….2009 is starting to feel like a really long time ago……

132. Bored, Bored, Bored with Star Trek. - October 1, 2012

@125

My name is Joe.. and I’m sure your name is ‘Captain Jack’.

I’m sick and tired of the lack of respect for the fans from both supposed Star Trek websites, and the makers of the movie. It’s tedious and boring to get nothing but ‘JJ is great’ quotes about the movie.. and hear nothing, no trailer, no photos, no hints, no nothing. Star Trek will make money is the actors get up on screen and just stand there silently… just because of what it is.. holding back the fun and anticipation of the movie is just a waste of time, and boring…

This website puts itself out there as ‘The source for everything Trek’… and lately.. it’s the source for nothing..

I simply call it like it is. I didn’t call anyone a rude name. I’m just pointing the facts.

Call me names, go ahead.. ‘Captain Jack’.

133. Jack - October 1, 2012

67. T’Cal. Good post.

134. Captain Ranson's back - October 1, 2012

@132 Bored, Bored, Bored with Star Trek

Hey whiner, what do you want them to do? Make up news so you can come here and read something for 2 minutes? They are in post production. Do you know what that means? It means they are going through the footage they shot. They are editing it. The are composing music. they are doing effects. No news is no news. Do you think they will give you something because you are having a little temper tantrum like a spoiled child? Stop your whining child. When there is news worthy to be posted, it will. Get over yourself and your self entitlement.

And when there is news, you will be back to posting under your other name again.

135. Bored, Bored, Bored with Star Trek. - October 1, 2012

@134 – Captain whatever your name is…

You are so right.. I am so sorry…. I don’t know anything… I don’t know anything about ‘post production’… I don’t know anything about Star Trek either…

thanks for helping me make the point… I don’t know anything about Star Trek.

I never insulted anyone personally here… never.. so keep it coming, ‘Captain’….

136. Captain Ransom's back - October 1, 2012

@ 135

No but all you do is whine! How crap… go away if you don’t like what is on this site. They is no news right now. Get that trough your tiny little brain. If you don’t like that fact, then go away and read the non-news on other sites. I am tired of your trolling and tired of your whining,

137. Thorny - October 1, 2012

128. Sebastian… No, Constellation was not dead when President Obama took office, despite your wife’s cousin’s opinion on the matter. The Orion spacecraft was doing pretty well toward meeting its budget and schedule and was mostly in a holding pattern waiting for its launch vehicle, Ares I. NASA at the time was still holding to first flight in early 2015, about six months behind schedule (Bush had ordered it fly”within 10 years” in 2004.) Constellation flew the Ares 1-X prototype eight months after Mr. Obama took office, essentially ending the argument that Ares I would be uncontrollable because it was too long and skinny, and the argument that thrust oscillation would tear the vehicle apart (two arguments we heard incessantly from critics prior to Ares I-X.) Ares I’s mobile launch platform/gantry at Kennedy Space Center had been built (it is now being modified for the SLS rocket instead.) The J-2X engine had finished design and was about to go into testing (it has since been test fired several times.) The five-segment Solid Rocket Booster had completed design and development and had been test fired once (it has been test-fired a second time since) and is now being used to boost the SLS rocket instead. In 2009, Obama ordered the Augustine Commission to review NASA’s plans, and they found no fundamental problems with Constellation, but did say it would need more money than NASA was getting. Obama refused to pay for it, and killed Constellation.

138. MJ - October 1, 2012

Within five years, Space-X will be able to provide a similar launch capability as Ares I at less than 10% of the cost.

I also agree with focusing on Mars and the asteroids for space exploration. The moon is not that compelling, either for further exploration or colonization. Perhaps mining someday might be useful there, but that is about it.

Case closed.

139. MJ - October 1, 2012

As regards to the SLS, we should stop spending any taxpayer dollars on that, and instead contract out to Space-X or other non-defense true commercial companies to provide all launch vehicles for NASA missions.

NASA needs to focus on building spacecraft and exploration. They should let true private industry (not defense companies) build all future launch vehicles.

140. Thorny - October 1, 2012

138… No, Ares I was a 50,000 lbs.-class launch vehicle that NASA was projecting to cost about $250 million per flight. SpaceX’s Falcon 9 is a 25,000 lbs.-class launch vehicle that costs around $65 million as suggested by recent launch contracts. Falcon Heavy flying for the first time next year will be a 115,000 lbs.-class launch vehicle costing around $120 million. So they are definitely cheaper, but nowhere near 1/10th the cost.

141. Thorny - October 1, 2012

139… The problem as NASA sees it is that no commercial vehicle exists which meets it deep space needs. Even Falcon Heavy, which will have a terrific payload to low earth orbit, has only modest performance to higher destinations (some claim Delta IV-Heavy actually has more capability to escape velocity, but since SpaceX is tight with its numbers, this is all guesswork, but the Merlin as an upper stage engine severely inhibits Falcon Heavy’s payload beyond low orbit.) And Falcon Heavy is limited to a 5 meter diameter payload fairing, maybe 6 meters if they “hammerhead” the fairing (wider than the rocket) as much as aerodynamically possible. SLS will have a 10 meter fairing, which will make lunar landers, Mars landers, etc. considerably easier to design.

And I think there is still an enormous amount of exploration to be done on the Moon. We’ve only landed humans in six places, all near the equator on the near side. Lots of moon to explore, including the scientifically very interesting south pole Aitken Basin region.

142. Dom - October 2, 2012

Thanks for the article, Kayla! Much appreciated! :)

Guys, if you have a complaint about Mr P’s updating of the site, you should surely go to the feedback section. It’s rather unfair on Kayla!

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