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Cumberbatch: Abrams Pitched Into Darkness Villain As Combo Of Hannibal Lector, ‘Shining’ Jack & Joker December 21, 2012

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The hottest topic around Trek these days has been about the villain (and his plan) in Star Trek Into Darkness. A newly released video of Benedict Cumberbatch from the Japanese press event offers some more tidbits, including how JJ Abrams described the role villain role before his audition. Cumberbatch also says that even though he is a bad guy, the villain has a three dimensional motivation and he may even be a sympathetic character.

 

Cumberbatch: Abrams pitched villain as combo of baddies – but you can empathize with him

A just released video from the recent Japanese press event for Star Trek Into Darkness features Benedict Cumberbatch talking to GyaO! about his role as the villain in Star Trek Into Darkness. Like with other interviews, he describes the character as a terrorist who is adept as both physical and psychological warfare. But he also offered up this tidbit about how producer/director JJ Abrams described the role before he even auditioned…

JJ described the role in movie terms as a mixture of Hannibal Lector, Jack in the Shining and The Joker in Batman. There are sorts of levels to pitch in amongst quite a high bar as well to succeed in comparison to. It was a framework to understand this character before I saw the whole script.

Cumberbatch went on to say that his character (John Harrison) is not a two-dimensional baddie and you might even feel for him…

I would say he is three dimensional in a way that he has a purpose, unlike the villains can sometimes go in franchises where it is just the obstacle – just this immovable thing this entity in the way or destroying what the good guys do. This person has real purpose behind his actions – his intention. It doesn’t mean I condone them, but I can empathize with the reasons. So there is a degree of leaning in and understanding and caring about him as well as being terrified about what he is doing.


JJ Abrams ‘Star Trek Into Darkness’ villain math

here is the full video interview with Cumberbatch.

thanks to Sarah for Twitter tip and sskrmrc on Youtube for clip

Comments

1. Moputo Jones - December 21, 2012

From hell’s heart I stab at thee…

2. Jack Zymurgy - December 21, 2012

Fascinating!

3. Hat Rick - December 21, 2012

Well, I would say that each of the component characters has certain issues, not to say is totally deranged and bonkers, so I trust that Cumby will draw out the more sensitive sides of their natures.

Jody Foster’s character could have mentioned something about the chianti sauce her villain preferred….

4. katie - December 21, 2012

Yawn

5. Khan 2.0 - December 21, 2012

just think in 6 months we’ll know everything – who the main villain is, if Khan and the augments are in it or not , who lives, who dies, if any TOS music will be heard, all the little Trek references/easter eggs etc etc

6 months

6. Little p-brane - December 21, 2012

It’s “Lecter”, not “Lector”.

7. Dee - lvs moon' surface - December 21, 2012

Serious? all these crazy guys on space!……. OK ;-) :-)

8. Roger Myers Jr - December 21, 2012

“Gimme a nice schmear of ‘surfer.'” Nothing like designing a character by just mushing together other characters! Screams “good storytelling.”

Poochie, the Rockin’ Villain!

9. Gabriel Bell - December 21, 2012

Only five months, Khan 2.0. Five months. And I will enjoy each and every day on the way to the answers.

10. Jack - December 21, 2012

1. Indeed.

3. Gasp. Chianti’s a wine. ;)

5. And then we’ll have nothing left to do but complain about it all for the next 2-4 years.

I’m hoping our friend has some sort of cause/ point to prove/belief in what he’s doing.

Of all of them, the only really interesting one was Ledger’s Joker. Lecter was fun (and scary) in Lambs and then, I don’t know, the character got a bit silly.

If JJ was literally comparing to the villain, then… I guess they’re all bad guys you root for. All killers. All theatrical. And they’re all fun to watch.

11. Franklin Brown - December 21, 2012

He’s not khan, it’s obviously a timeline trick. He’s Mr. Kyle, they’re both English, duh! In this timeline he gets revenge for being so incredibly dorky in the original show.

12. TheWrathOfBong - December 21, 2012

Well, this settles it. He’s playing a Tribble.

13. braxus - December 21, 2012

Why do people not accept he is John Harrison, instead of guessing who else the character could be? They already said he was John.

14. cw - December 21, 2012

I was hoping for more of a Biff Tannen-Apollo Creed-Morris Day kind of bad guy.

15. Aix - December 21, 2012

From his other interviews, Cumby seems to be a fast talker. Is the video on slow-mo or is he being polite to his translator by speaking slowly?

Any Japanese feedback with regards to the IMAX preview?

16. THX-1138 - December 21, 2012

I’ve seen him.
He’s a lion.
He’s huge.

17. Sebastian S. - December 21, 2012

Just saw the 9 minutes again today in IMAX 3D after finally taking my post-surgery recovering wife to see “The Hobbit” (great movie, BTW), and after seeing Cumberbatch’s super Anglo features and accent on the big screen? Well, all I can say is that if someone had said at that very moment that he was playing Khan Noonian Singh from “Space Seed”, it’d probably generate an audible laugh or two. It’d be like saying Elijah Wood was playing the late Egyptian president Anwar Sadat.

John Harrison is so clearly not Khan Noonian Singh. He is an augment of some sort, of that I have little doubt (probably of Starfleet design as well, but that’s supposition, not a fact) and he probably was Khan in an earlier draft of the script (which is where Anthony’s source probably got his info), but Harrison is not Khan now. When I told my wife after the movie that the rumor mill suggested Cumberbatch was cast as Khan, she just laughed it off.

And would any sensible, impartial person who has seen both Space Seed and WoK describe Khan as a cross between Hannibal Lector, the Joker and Jack Torrance?!? Really doubt it. That’s not exactly a Khan Noonian Singh profile.

18. Dude Against Telephoto Paprazzi - December 21, 2012

At this point in the game, I really don’t care much for this “character” and what drives him, or the entire movie, for that matter. Seriously.

I’m still cheesed off about the name. John Harrison. Really? Is that the best they could do? If that’s the case, why not name the bad guy Dick Dack, John Smith, Mike Schumntz, Roger Prodactor, Dirk Hardmeat, Brick Hardpeck or Elmo Jones (Hey, he was canon! Really! He was the 7th guy from the right, 14th scene, 8th blurry background extra on the Carbomite Maneuver! You remember that guy……right? Right?)

The more I read about this dude, this movie, how they went about promoting it and all the hype and the MAJOR SERIOUS let down about the name AND who the bad guy is………………killed it for me.

Gonna be reading the entire movie on Moviespoiler.com. Not paying my hard-earned moolah to see it.

Oh, one more thing. For all those Khan-hards out there who just KNOW that this guy is Khan…why don’t we have a “if it’s not Khan we get to kick you in the nuts” contest? That would make a great story here! Perhaps we could post some camera-happy, telephoto-lens-equipped shmuck in a tree about 2 miles out and get some great shots of the action!

:D

19. TrekMadeMeWonder - December 21, 2012

I still don’t get it.

This is how you market this movie?

And with this british Cumberpatch guy? Epic fail. Its gotta be.

I just don’t get it.

20. JP - December 21, 2012

He’s Mr. Rogers… in a blood-stained sweater.

21. Aix - December 21, 2012

@19 Just curious. If it depends on you how are you going to market it then?

22. MJ - December 21, 2012

@18

Thank God you wife straightened this out for all of us. We can rule out Khan completely now.

:-)

PS: Seriously, I hope your wife is OK, and also I am thinking that JH is most likely a member of the Bontany Bay crew, but not Khan himself.

23. MJ - December 21, 2012

Sebastian S, post above was meant in response to your post @17, not in response to Beavis and Butthead’s post @18.

24. cd - December 21, 2012

ELIJAH WOOD IS…ANWAR SADAT!

>;>}

25. Harvey Wong - December 21, 2012

I’m really not all that concerned with this Cumbersomesnatch character. All I care about is if the Gay-Trek-Character problem has been addressed appropriately. And, it had better not be this Cumbersomesnatch person.

26. Scott - December 21, 2012

The villain in the new Star Trek is a guy named John Harrison. It’s a new character and a new story. All this makes me wonder if some fans will still persist in thinking John Harrison is actually Khan even after they’ve seen the movie.

27. El Kapitan - December 21, 2012

Bob Orci –

Speaking of Star Trek Villains, I was just watching Balance of Terror. Mark Leonard as the Romulan commander said something that struck me –

“You and I are of a kind. In a different reality, I could’ve called you friend.”

In your JJ-verse, since Nero has altered the relationship between Romulans & the Federation, might Ben Cross feel up to playing that same Romulan commander but in a different light? Or more possibly, in the comics?

28. MJ - December 21, 2012

**** MJ’s MAJOR NEW DEDUCTION — POTENTIAL SPOILERS ****

All, after listening to Pike’s voice multiple time in his voice over on the newest trailer, I have come to the conclusion that Pike may be giving a deathbed speech to Kirk. Listen carefully and you can hear his voice quaking and crackling like he is losing energy and having some difficulty getting the words out.

Combined with the funeral scene, I am sorry to have to say that I think Pike dies in this movie and that his voice-over words of advice to Kirk are being said by him as he lies dying after being injured in the terrorist strike on Starfleet HQ.

29. TrekMadeMeWonder - December 21, 2012

21. Aix

How? just be more straight forward with the message.
And make it more TOS in style and substance (my preference).

#26. Scott (above) unoficially just did so much more for this movie

“The villain in the new Star Trek is a guy named John Harrison. It’s a new character and a new story.”

I think it would have been soo much wiser if they would have kept it simple, and taken a moment to the clarify the worded descripton.and include something along the lines of what Scott wrote above.

Teasing us with misleading murky non-Trek inspired images is ruining the marketing.

But perhaps I am way too close to the media hype on this one.

IDIC, I guess. But I am still more interested in seeing Iron Man III.

30. Khan was Framed! - December 21, 2012

That clinches it, he’s obviously playing Harry Mudd in this movie.

31. Aix - December 21, 2012

@29 I prefer it like this, actually. Marketing is suppose to mess up with your head in a way, you know, to keep you intrigued. And I willingly surrender to the manipulation of the marketing team for now. Haha!

32. Red Shirt Diaries - December 21, 2012

MJ, I just listened to Pike’s voice-over on the trailer again, and I think you may be on to something here. Yea, his voice sounds like he is in pain, and he sputters a bit. Could be he is dying.

33. Emperor Mike of the Empire - December 21, 2012

Hmm. What a list. Sound’s like they are making a star Trek Horror Show.

34. Harry Ballz - December 21, 2012

First off, Benedict Cumberbatch is an amazingly talented actor. Period.

Next, this clip is from a Japanese press interview. Not only did Cumberbatch have the intelligence and grace to slow down his rhythm of speech for both cultural considerations and logistics of translation, he also displayed a humility that escapes most actors.

He certainly understood his Japanese audience when he expressed fear in living up to the role while clearly stating that he had to audition for the part. Total humility. Most actors would try to gloss over the hiring process by flat out saying they were offered the role.

This guy is supersmart, immensely talented and, for us to have him star in a Star Trek movie, we are very lucky to have him!

Bob, would you agree with my statement?

35. Gilberto - December 21, 2012

Please, stop joking with Benedict Cucumberbatch’s name!!!

36. Gilberto - December 21, 2012

# 34
.
You got it just right!

37. MJ - December 21, 2012

@35 Something tells me you are not going to be buying the major tie in toy line planned for the new STID: “Cumber Patch Kids” dolls.

:-))

38. Curious Cadet - December 21, 2012

@13 braxus,
“Why do people not accept he is John Harrison, instead of guessing who else the character could be? They already said he was John.”

Because Bob Orci said that John Harrison is TOS canon.

http://trekmovie.com/2012/07/14/exclusive-interview-roberto-orci-reveals-star-trek-sequel-character-details-talks-title-post-production/

Therefore, he has to be someone else (the laziest assumption), or John Harrison is an unnamed character (or a character named just “John”, or just “Harrison”) as referenced somewhere in the original 80 episodes and 8 films (possibly including the animated series). Unless Orci lied, which he said he hasn’t.

So don’t blame those guessing, blame the producers for creating the game.

39. rm10019 - December 21, 2012

I knew Pike was going to die this time around way back when they announced that Greenwood was in the movie. So there :)

40. K-7 - December 21, 2012

RM10019, I’ve thought all along that Pike was going down in this movie as well, and I believe multiple other people have commented similarly on this recently. However, this new observation from MJ regarding Pike’s voice does certainly seem to support this.

41. Aix - December 21, 2012

The real question is… WHICH JOKER?

42. Max - December 21, 2012

STID is to Khan as Prometheus is to Xenomorph. We are going to be scratching our heads the whole movie wondering how it’s going to tie together.

43. MJ - December 21, 2012

K-7, rm10019,

I wasn’t claiming here to have solely predicted Pike’s death ahead of time in STID — sure, many have made that comment here before.

What is new and original about my comment in @28 above is that I believe that I have now proven that he dies based on a careful listening to issues with Pike’s voice in the voice over for the latest trailer– no one else here has made that deduction. That is my new information here.

44. Harry Ballz - December 21, 2012

43.

No shit, *Sherlock!

MJ, I keeed, I keeeed………………..please don’t hurt me!

*(Cumberbatch, being known for Holmes, allowed me this liberty)

45. sean - December 21, 2012

I’m hoping they don’t use the term ‘augment’. I know that was the term they used in Enterprise, but I never much cared for it.

46. Curious Cadet - December 21, 2012

@17 Sebastian S.,
“And would any sensible, impartial person who has seen both Space Seed and WoK describe Khan as a cross between Hannibal Lector, the Joker and Jack Torrance?!? Really doubt it. That’s not exactly a Khan Noonian Singh profile.”

Sebastian, as much as I would like to agree with you, and wish it were true, it’s just not in the context of this universe.

If you think about it, Khan, was on his way to the nut farm in TWOK, and that’s fundamentally what all three of those villains Abrams cited have in common. But what motivated him in that case could not have happened in this timeline. And if we assume that John Harrison is Khan, then Space Seed could not have happened either.

So we’re left to speculate on a whole new backstory for Khan from the moment he was first awakened on the Botany Bay, which could have happened as much as 26 years earlier than this film. And if during that time Khan has been tortured, restrained, starved, abused, etc. suffice it to say he would have likely gone insane much sooner. Take into consideration Khan’s intelligence, and I could very easily imagine someone lying in a cell, strapped to a table, turning dark and inward to his intelligence, plotting his revenge day after day.

Unlike the Khan who was marooned on Ceti-Alpha but able to live freely in those confines, a tortured and imprisoned Khan would evolve quite differently. Rather than strike with quick and decisive brute force, he now wants to slowly pull his captor’s fingernails, to make them suffer as they made him suffer for so many years. He’s much more measured in his response, and we all know how he feels about best serving up revenge. His augments are perhaps dead, and its just him. But he has flashes of the Khan we know … Jack Torrence was reckless in his attempts to kill his family with an axe. The Joker was not afraid to use massively destructive weapons. And above all, like those villains, no one could make Khan listen to reason, even his own people, who may not be there to temper him as long as they did in TWOK.

Bottom line, if John Harrison turns out to be Khan, I would accept this kind of characterization given the proper backstory and motivation.

47. draderman - December 21, 2012

He tasks me…
He tasks me, so i shall have him!

48. MJ - December 21, 2012

@44 LOL

49. Charles Trotter - December 21, 2012

So he’s an intelligent cannibal who goes mad and chases people with an axe for the sole purpose of watching the world burn? Yup, definitely Khan.

50. Jack - December 21, 2012

29. “Teasing us with misleading murky non-Trek inspired images is ruining the marketing.”

What the heck does “non-Trek inspired mean?” Trek may have made you wonder, but at some point you seem to have stopped…

Speaking of having an open mind, I watched Nemesis again on Netflix last night — and I was a little more appreciative of the attempt to make it mean something. It was clunky, sure. But it meant well, I think.

51. Disinvited - December 21, 2012

#17. Sebastuan S.

Oh but it does sound like the Khan who went to Regula I with Ceti slugs at his disposal and decided to torture and slit throats anyway. More, he didn’t leave a mess like a raging madman, but neat as with a practiced hand that had done it many many other times before. I submit that the admirable (PI) Khan that SPACE SEED Kirk’s history describes was a total fiction constructed by Kham himself to aid in fleeing his 2090 (sic) war crimes across time and space.

52. Buzz Cagney - December 21, 2012

So cutting and pasting a villain from multiple sources is ok.

53. Bananatoffee - December 21, 2012

@34 thank God for your comment, makes it all a bit brainier here.

54. Disinvited - December 21, 2012

#52. Buzz Cagney

You type that as if Kirk himself wasn’t a pastiche of Hornblower and the Greek heroes that started it all.

55. Gary S. - December 21, 2012

43.
More like a new theory .\It is not reall new information if you cannot prove it .
A lot of people thought that JGL was in the batsuit in the final scenes of TDKR, based on the theory that Batmans voice sounded differrent in the final scenes,
That didnt make it so

56. Curious Cadet - December 21, 2012

@43 MJ,
“I believe that I have now proven that he dies based on a careful listening to issues with Pike’s voice in the voice over for the latest trailer– no one else here has made that deduction.”

I wouldn’t be too sure about that …

http://trekmovie.com/2012/12/17/watch-second-star-trek-into-darkness-trailer/#4960227

57. Shilliam Watner (Click Name for my Christmas card) - December 21, 2012

Khan never really exhibited a superior intellect. Mostly he was arrogant, and fatally overconfident, but he never seemed very smart to me. And not really all that strong, either, if Kirk could beat him into submission with what appeared to be hollow plastic tubes.

I’ve never thought of him as a very formidable enemy. It was Kirk’s incompetence in TWOK that gave Khan the advantage. Something clearly was strange about the situation with the defiant. Kirk SHOULD have raised those shields.

So if he plays Khan, let’s hope he’s got some better smarts in him. But I don’t think he’s playing Khan. I think he’s Elaan of Troyius, after having a sex change operation.

58. Shilliam Watner (Click Name for my Christmas card) - December 21, 2012

OH, and as for SIlence of the Lambs, I have to say that Lecter was not the scariest dude in that film. Buffalo Bill creeped me out much more. Ted Levine doesn’t get nearly the credit he deserves for that film. I love Anthony Hopkins, but I don’t think Lecter is his best stuff at all.

59. MJ - December 21, 2012

@56.

Good catch. Someone called “Nony” also pointed this out.

OK, there are two of us then here have noticed the voice issue.

60. Devon - December 22, 2012

“52. Buzz Cagney – December 21, 2012

So cutting and pasting a villain from multiple sources is ok.”

Just as Kirk was copied and pasted from other characters, Horatio Hornblower and all.

61. Ed Waters - December 22, 2012

“Never Mourn Black Omne.”

62. MJ - December 22, 2012

@60.

Yea, seriously, name any villain today in film and you can point to past influences.

So what is Buzz’s point here other than his weekly fart in nuTrek’s face?

63. Disinvited - December 22, 2012

#62. MJ

Why are people typing as if my message #54 didn’t exist? ;)

64. Flaming Nacelles Forever - December 22, 2012

The voice over rings in my ears.. And he is playing a character named John Harrison. It got me thinking…

At the end of the Eugenics War, the war-criminal N. Khan was captured surrounded by 80 of his loyal troops who were in the process of using a sleeper ship to escape to parts unknown.

Shortly after launch they were intercepted, already asleep for their long journey. Having been thought killed in the war by most of the it was decided not to revive them; but rather leave them imprisoned in a holding facility – far from the vengeful public’s eye. Khan had utilized weapons of mass destruction and vast genetic knowledge, the secret of which he carried in his now-preserved state. There might be a time again where such knowledge may proved useful.

Fast forward many decades when a young Dr. Carol Marcus is tasked with working on a top secret project for Starfleet. Her task was to resurrect a sleeper if possible – although given the length of time it was likely-hood that would survive was very small. He was a medical doctor who possessed information valuable to Starfleet. That man was John Harrison.

Charismatic, incredibly smart, and expressing a willingness to pay for his cohorts past deeds, Harrison willingly works with Starfleet providing them with assistance. His medical knowledge is staggering, despite his young age.

Over years of work, he builds the trust of Starfleet – long enough to find his cohorts and set into motion a plan which will free them all.

Harrison is the villain of this picture, but he’s really the foot soldier of a the real villain to come.

This plot is a set up to reveal of Khan at the END of the movie, establishing the the villain for the third movie in the deal.

xx—xx

Why?

JJ loves a good mystery AND wants to keep us engaged. The idea of what’s NOT revealed is more powerful than what is actually in the box.

Revenge – the original title of ‘Wrath of Khan’ was ‘Revenge of Khan’, but that clashed with the Lucasfilm’s upcoming ‘Revenge of the Jedi’ (itself ultimately retitled). I have a copy of that original poster.

Family – The remnants of Khans people, those seen in the ‘casket’ image’ in the teaser. The play on the casket theme is an overt homage to WOK, but in closer detail they look like suspension pods.

Family – The motivation – John Harrison was the one of the original geneticists that perfected the superior human form ( which we call augments). For added twist, he may even be Soong himself! This could easily be the rumoured connection to Enterprise (the series), and could set up a very interesting timeline indeed ;)

The Teaser (the image that ties my crazy idea together) – two men leaving the room containing the ‘coffins’, one very broad shouldered, wearing a familiar cut of costume (TOS, engineering), with ponytail. He’s not Cumberbatch. That scene is most likely near the end of the movie as a set-up for the contractual third pic.

It’s Wierd, I know. But it has a familliar feel to it.

65. Garth Faction - December 22, 2012

All of this continues to point to one person:

LORD GARTH

I mean, insanity is a clue….

66. Disinvited - December 22, 2012

#57. Shilliam Watner

It is clear you’ve never taken a wifflebat crotch shot from a candy-enthused five year old at a pinata bash.

It’s called acting, i.e. behaving as if something that isn’t a lead pipe, is.

On the intellect thing: I think it is clearly another example of Kham believing his own (fictional) PR (1996? Yeah, right.) Also, why did Mr. Intellect slit the throat of the last Genesis scientist he captured thus guaranteeing he wasn’t going to get GENESIS info after he destroyed Enterprise as he fully intended?

BTW Defiant wasn’t at this party.

67. Disinvited - December 22, 2012

In 51 and 66, Kham=Khan

68. Anthony Thompson - December 22, 2012

18. Dude.

Did you find Gary Mitchell’s name menacing? lol.

69. Anthony Thompson - December 22, 2012

18. Dude (again)

As for your “nuts kicking contest”, MJ has already admitted that his “major prediction” about Khan was wrong so you don’t have to wait until May to kick HIS gonads! : D

70. Jannek - December 22, 2012

Big footsteps

71. Disinvited - December 22, 2012

#69. Anthony Thompson

Why not have Dude use Watner’s hollow plastic tube and kill two birds with one stone…um…err…unfortunate turn of phrase that? ;)

72. Ian B - December 22, 2012

@57

” It was Kirk’s incompetence in TWOK that gave Khan the advantage. Something clearly was strange about the situation with the defiant. Kirk SHOULD have raised those shields”

Yes, that’s always annoyed me every time I watch it. Kirk is a complete twonk, and the script never adequately provides a justification for his behaviour. Why *not* raise the shields in this odd situation? It’s a definite script weakness for me.

As, to be honest, is Spock needing to hint to Kirk to think three dimensionally in the battle. Don’t they teach basic stuff like that at the academy?

Oh, and while I’m at it; when the viewscreen stops working due to interference, why not station some crew members at the windows with communicators (and perhaps some binoculars)? What does everyone else on this ship do during the battles anyway? Just sit in their cabins being rocked about? Well, okay, we know from Balance Of Terror that when Sulu pushes the “fire phasers” button, that just lights an indicator in the downstairs phaser room, then a guy sees that and shouts “fire phasers” at another guy who pushes a button that fires the phasers… but other than that..?

73. porthoses bitch - December 22, 2012

“He’s a combinatiin of Jack Hannibal and the Joker…..” funny he doesnt mention Khan..

74. Garth Faction - December 22, 2012

73 – nor does he mention Garth. Lord Garth. Nor a tribble. So he is Khan augmented by tribble power of duplication by eating and Garth’s shape-changing ways.

Seriously, let’s not see what he doesn’t say as anything.

I do think what he said still fits the insanity of Garth.

75. chrisfawkes.com - December 22, 2012

Who let the trolls out.

Any chance we can ban some of these goons.

I don’t mean those who just happen to disagree with each other but some here are ranting like fools just for attention.

76. Disinvited - December 22, 2012

#72. Ian B

I always thouht the intention of the scriptwriter was clear: Kirk had lost a little of his finely honed edge flying a desk as Admiral.

The reason he didn’t raise shields was he was worried about what a desk jockey comes to prioritize: avoiding unneccessarily slighting a colleague. It was only because he had some of the old Kirk that he had phasers charged before getting caught with his breeches down.

77. crazydaystrom - December 22, 2012

14. cw-
THAT’S funny!

30. Khan was Framed!-
Not Harry Mudd. Son of Mudd! Harrison = Harry’s son. It’s all so simple people!

Mudd’s son or Spock’s brother. It’s all relative people!

;-)

78. Punkspocker - December 22, 2012

I imagine Spock will “understand” Harrison’s intentions. And let’s congratulate Cumberbatch for his Satellite WIN and his Golden Globe nom for Sherlock!

79. Of Bajor - December 22, 2012

#64

I like!

80. Sebastian S. - December 22, 2012

# 19 TMMW~

Benedict Cumberbatch is an excellent up and coming actor; he plays Holmes in the brilliant new BBC series, “Sherlock” and he was also in the movie “War Horse” (in a small, but memorable role). He’s also played Prof. Stephen Hawking in 2004’s “Hawking” and he was also in Danny Boyles’ brilliant stage adaptation of “Frankenstein” (which I was lucky enough to have caught via Fathomevents.com). Believe me, this guy could be another Peter O’Toole. He’s that good….

And # 22 MJ

Thanks for the well wishes. ;-)

And yes, all it takes is a chuckle from my wife and the controversy over Khan is over. She’s uncanny that way… ;-D

81. R. Banks - December 22, 2012

Just imagine…

We could have a scene where Cumberbatch breaks down a turbolift door, pokes his head in and says “Heeeeere’s Johnny! (Harrison, that is…)”

I was hoping for a similar moment in Prometheus with “Heeeeere’s Jockey! (Space, that is..)”

Alas, I was bitterly disappointed when it didn’t happen.

Such is life.

82. Khan 2.0 - December 22, 2012

just had a thought – in Trek III they followed with another Khan like villain (although one not out for revenge) even though that had sort of been ‘done’ in the last film so perhaps JJ etc went with another villain out for revenge as it worked out fine for Trek II/III and it seems to work best for big screen Trek anyway

the angry Khan like Villain out for revenge hasnt been done as much as i thought = II (obviously) ,IX (although the villain wants revenge against the planets people – not the crew) , X, XI, XII

this is the 3rd in a row though…..

83. Khan 2.0 - December 22, 2012

sorry part of that is wrong – should read ‘so perhaps JJ etc went with another Khan like villain as it worked out fine for Trek II/III ‘

84. olly - December 22, 2012

The Americans who are making fun of Benedict’s surname is irritating the hell out of me. Its incredibly rude and a bit rich considering the names a lot of you have over there.

85. olly - December 22, 2012

Also Benedict is Khan so get used to it

86. Curious Cadet - December 22, 2012

QUESTION: is the NEW SYNOPSIS supposed to REPLACE the original synopsis? In other words — CLARIFY it?

“In the wake of a shocking act of terror from within their own organization, the crew of The Enterprise is called back home to Earth. In defiance of regulations and with a personal score to settle, Captain Kirk leads his crew on a manhunt to capture an unstoppable force of destruction and bring those responsible to justice.”

If we had read this first, would we be equating the “unstoppable force of destruction” with “from within their own organization”? Or would we think two different, but possibly related, events?

Would we equate the the “unstoppable force of destruction” with the “man” in the “manhunt”? Or would we think a man with something deadly at his command?

And finally, Kirk is going to bring “those” responsible to justice — as in more than one? We still don’t know what Weller’s role is in all of this, and he does have his own ship.

Reading the synopsis indicates the act of terror happens before the enterprise returns to Earth, and indeed precipitates her recall. But everything we see with Cumberbatch is after the Enterprise is home. Then a rogue Enterprise (TSFS anyone?) goes on a manhunt, pursuing Cumberbatch who left Earth before the Enterprise arrived, or who lingered around for awhile wreaking more havoc and then somehow got away while security was at its highest? Are these the scenes on the Klingon homeworld? If so, if he himself is the unstoppable force of “destruction” how do they capture him so easily?

And lastly, we know now that Carol Marcus is a weapons expert who holds the key to stopping Cumberbatch. If Cumberbatch himself is the unstoppable force of destruction, how does a weapons expert help? Wouldn’t you need a geneticist? Or is “weapons” expert intended to mislead us as to the type of weapon? Certainly augmented super-soldier is a kind of weapon.

Sorry all of this just started nagging at me last night …

87. Craiger - December 22, 2012

It looks like Kirk is at Starfleet HQ when the attack by Cumberbatch occurs.

88. Sebastian S. - December 22, 2012

# 84 and 85 olly~

Equally rude are non-moderators who tell others in an open blog what to think or say ….

And it’s not Khan, BTW. ;-)

89. dmduncan - December 22, 2012

Yes, he’s not Khan, but I do think Khan will appear. I’ve noticed that this film contains a lot of features of the first film, so they appear to be using the same pattern that worked so well — and why not? It’s great.

Just as we had a flashback scene that explained everything through Spock’s mind-meld in the first film, I expect a similar flashback scene in this film that explains the mystery. That is also where I would expect Khan to appear. Maybe the shot of the cryo-tubes is part of that scene, and perhaps that’s Harrison and Khan walking out of the room?

They have to tell it in flashback because if those 9 minutes we saw are the first 9 minutes of the movie, then Harrison is already out of his tube and a lot has transpired which we do not know about.

And that is part of the pattern of ST.09 which begins with a black hole being created and a ship emerging. At that point we know nothing about red matter or the destruction of Romulus, but that is what drives the story.

So that’s why I expect a similar flashback. Maybe even Quinto Spock’s first movie mind meld to get — force? — the information from Harrison?

90. Gary S, - December 22, 2012

where in the synopsis does it say Carol is a weapons expert?
Perhaps I missed something .

91. Optimistic Doodle - December 22, 2012

Maybe there’ll be a Borg connection (again!), possibly more towards the end of the movie. (And perhaps a stronger one, given the poster.) All the Khanstuff might really be misleading…

Ah, we won’t know until 2013 :-o

92. BulletInTheFace - December 22, 2012

I don’t understand how any of you could POSSIBLY think Cumberbatch is Khan–and not just for the obvious reasons (he’s a skinny British white guy). In the trailer, one of the shots is of Cumberbatch standing next to a broad-shouldered guy with a yellow coat and a black ponytail, walking out of a room filled with cryo-chambers. Obviously, THAT is Khan. So clearly, then, Cumberbatch is NOT Khan.

93. Curious Cadet - December 22, 2012

@89 dmduncan,

“Maybe the shot of the cryo-tubes is part of that scene, and perhaps that’s Harrison and Khan walking out of the room?”

Nice interpretation. They wouldn’t necessarily have to use a date (which has been stated could be problematic), but sure. Harrison is Khan’s engineer/biologist. Together they put his soldiers into stasis, that could even be the hold of the Botany Bay while docked on Earth. Once launched, Harrison puts Khan into stasis and then himself. But in this universe either Khan dies in stasis or is captured and killed by the Klingons. Or maybe Harrison kills Khan in stasis — his plan all along, rigging Khan’s stasis chamber to malfunction — to take control of the other augments. That’s the reference to 2001 HAL and Harrison.

Anyway, yeah, the cryo tubes as flashback. Nice catch.

94. Curious Cadet - December 22, 2012

@90 Gary S,
“where in the synopsis does it say Carol is a weapons expert?”

It’s not in the synopsis, Alice Eve says it in an interview, and Chris Pine says in another interview there is no romantic relationship per se, but Marcus’ scientific knowledge is key to resolving the crisis posed by Harrison.

http://trekmovie.com/2012/12/14/into-darkness-london-event-w-burk-cumberbatch-eve-new-character-details-runtime-photos-video/

http://trekmovie.com/2012/12/12/watch-cumberbatch-and-quinto-reveal-into-darkness-villain-details-chris-pine-talks-kirk-romance-more/

95. Stephan Urkel - December 22, 2012

As mentioned by #64 and I am sure many others by now, if this movie doesn’t end with Harrison’s final act awakening Khan, I will doubt JJ and Damon had anything to do with it. As nerds, how could they ignore this opportunity? Even just a shadow of Khan, a vague outline, ID on a warming pod, anything, to leave open casting for the 3rd film… talk about guaranteed excitement and competition for the role. Without having to covertly cast, they may avoid some of the problems of the Del Toro/etc. casting phase…

In my opinion (and again, many others–not too many original observations out there at this point) Harrison is almost certainly an augment. Perhaps he controlled most of Europe, based in London? A flashback scene would be very Lindel-brams, of course, and could be fascinating.

Much potential here. I was honestly a bit worried about a highly superficial plot, based on some of the writers’ past, but unless we are reading way more depth into than it has, I am optimistic…

96. Nony - December 22, 2012

So he’s completely insane, enjoys messing with people, and is possibly a cannibal. Good to know.

Maybe he tries to EAT PIKE. No wonder Kirk looks so ticked off.

97. No Khan - December 22, 2012

@10, If its not Khan then we will be speculating if Khan is in the next movie.

98. No Khan - December 22, 2012

@18 what makes a good villains name. You tell us? What difference does a fricken name make!

99. Brevard - December 22, 2012

Gee, I feel so much better knowing that the John Harrison character is a conglomeration of every other bad guy in movie history, including the Joker. When one doesn’t have an original thought, it’s always acceptable to copy from other sources in the entertainment industry, particularly from The Dark Knight. If I hear one more reference comparing anything in ST to TDK, I may just scream. Enough already.

100. The Original Spock's Brain - December 22, 2012

Sybok.

101. No Khan - December 22, 2012

@64 if anything J. Harrison is an an augment. P. Weller is the CEO who found him & revived him.

102. Red Dead Ryan - December 22, 2012

I still think John Harrison is really Khan. But Khan could still be played by someone else, too. We don’t know anything about Peter Weller’s character.

103. Red Dead Ryan - December 22, 2012

BTW, I don’t think Peter Weller is Khan, but I do think his character has something important to do with him.

104. No Khan - December 22, 2012

103 My only problem on Weller being cast is his race. I read the whole reason Khan wasn’t white was Roddenberry’s feeling that he didn’t want these Supermen linked with the Nazi master race thing. So I hope the Supreme Court wouldn’t turn around & cast another white guy for Khan unless they never understood Roddenberry’s intent.

I sure wish we had a movie about Space Exploration & not dealing with Augments & Khan ad nauseam. And to think we may have to deal with this Khan talk again after this movie. I’m burned out. And you know one day even after the Supreme Court leave the franchise the new guys & studio will start hearing the Media created outcry & start the Khan rumors all over again. Until one day a remake or re-imaging is made. What a curse TWOK has become to the Star Trek franchise.

105. MJ - December 22, 2012

@63. You are correct — sorry!

106. MJ - December 22, 2012

@69 Anthony Thompson,

Whether Khan is actually BC’s character or not, the majority of Trek fans have come around to my way of thinking now that this is a story based on Khan in some fashion. It’s clear now that this is going to be a Khan-centric story.

Where’s that former huge majority of Mitchell fans like you that were so vocal just three weeks ago now, dude? I’ll tell you where they are — they are on my Khan-centric story bandwagon.

107. MJ - December 22, 2012

@104 “103 My only problem on Weller being cast is his race.”

Yea. I mean could you imagine either a white or a Mexican playing Khan. He’s always been played by Indian actors.

108. Red Dead Ryan - December 22, 2012

The Khan Faction has defeated and assimiliated the Mitchell Faction!

109. MJ - December 22, 2012

It’s possible that in that scene in the trailer with the suspended animation coffins, the large guy on the left with his back facing us is Khan, with Harrison on his right.

110. Red Dead Ryan - December 22, 2012

Let’s not forget that in “Iron Man III”, the Mandarin is being played by Ben Kingsley, who by no means at all is Chinese in any way.

111. MJ - December 22, 2012

“The Khan Faction has defeated and assimiliated the Mitchell Faction!”

Yea, and it wasn’t even close. Anthony Thompson’s dog is probably still hiding under the bed. LOL

112. R. Banks - December 22, 2012

Well, with the information we have at this point in time, and from what I’ve seen in the 2 trailers and in the 9 min. prologue, I think John Harrison is simply a character named John Harrison. I see no indications that he himself, is actually Khan.

However, that being said, I think that Khan is going to have much to do with the backstory of Harrison, and I think Khan will definitely have something to do with the plot of this film. We already have one link to the Khan story from TWOK with the appearance of the Dr. Carol Marcus character.

In regards to Benedict Cumberbatch, I decided to check out some of his work, as I’ve never seen him in anything but War Horse and the Trek trailers/prologue. I watched Hawking, and another film called Third Star, and I though he was absoultely brilliant in both films. I’m impressed, and I’m looking forward to seeing him play the villain in the next Trek regardless of identity.

Of course, these thoughts are only my personal opinion, and nothing more. I enjoy the speculation.

113. Curious Cadet - December 22, 2012

Ah, the boys of the chorus …

“Khan! Khan! Khan! Khan!
Lovely Khan! Wonderful Khan!
Khan Kha-a-a-a-a-an Khan Kha-a-a-a-a-an Khan.
Lovely Khan! Lovely Khan! Lovely Khan! Lovely Khan!
Khan Khan Khan Khan!”

114. MJ - December 22, 2012

@113. I dig that. Can’t find it on iTunes though…darn!

115. MJ - December 22, 2012

@113. This will suffice though:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iauuuhpSfRQ

116. R. Banks - December 22, 2012

@115-

I love it!

117. Disinvited - December 22, 2012

#77. crazydaystrom

Shouldn’t that be: It’s all relativeS people!

#81. R. Banks

Not turbolift, restroom. That way Koenig’s retcon will be in force as Khan discovers Chekov there.

#96. Nony

Gives new meaning to Orci’s “facemelting” comment.

#99. Brevard

It has been ever thus, since the Greeks invented stage dramas. And those borrowed from their myths.

118. MJ - December 22, 2012

@112 “However, that being said, I think that Khan is going to have much to do with the backstory of Harrison, and I think Khan will definitely have something to do with the plot of this film. We already have one link to the Khan story from TWOK with the appearance of the Dr. Carol Marcus character.”

Well said!

119. Vultan - December 22, 2012

#84

Okay, here goes:

— Banglesnort Cucumber
— Benididdy Cooglefloss
— Binaflog Cooderbug
— Benidang Cumberbund
— Bitterbrit Calaminelotion
— Bennyhill Cattlepepper

What’s his name again…?

120. worldenow - December 22, 2012

They have to tell it in flashback because if those 9 minutes we saw are the first 9 minutes of the movie, then Harrison is already out of his tube and a lot has transpired which we do not know about.

121. K-7 - December 22, 2012

#119

LOL Bravo! A great gift of words from “the Colonies” to “the Empire.

BTW, someone named “Olly” trying to tell Americans that we have weird names is absolutely hilarious.

122. pilotfred - December 22, 2012

personal i have no problem with it being john harriosn(boring name)and maybe his story came about becouse of the change in the time line! fanastic, just like what other people have said why the big wind up? why did you need to hide the fact? his name is not given anything away plot details! if it was then fair play

i will not be happy now if it is khan

123. Craiger - December 22, 2012

What if Khan is only in flashback scenes showing the Eugenics Wars because we keep forgetting that JJ wants the general movie going audience to see these Trek movies without having seeing the previous Trek series and movies. Except for ST 2009. The general movie going audience would know nothing about the Eugenics Wars and Khan. The flashback scenes could show briefly what they were about and Khan escaping with some of his people in the Botany Bay. This could be either in the middle of the sequel or at the end to set up the third if they save Khan for the third. Maybe they wanted Khan in the sequel but couldn’t get Del Toro and they rewrote it for the John Harrison character and they hope to get Del Toro for the third. Maybe that is another reason the sequel took so long?

124. LizardGirl - December 22, 2012

Actually I’m kind of tired of the goofing up of Benedict’s name as well. Especially by ones who are purposely saying it to put him down or dismiss his accomplishments. Some of the nicknames are cute, but really #25? “A bit not good.”

Agree with Gilberto (35) and Olly (84).

125. MJ - December 22, 2012

@123. You might have a point there. What if that flashback is seen as a result of Spock mind-melding with Harrison.

I’m not saying I think this is what is happening, but this is a good point to consider, Craiger.

126. Killamarshtrek - December 22, 2012

For those of you convinced the man in the ‘cryoyube scene’ has a pony tail & is therefore Khan, think again. I have blown up & enhanced the image:
http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q689/Killamarshtrek/cryomen_zpsfe3f4e35.jpg
Yes he is a well built man but all you are seeing is a ahadow on his collar!

127. MJ - December 22, 2012

@126. For the record, I never said I thought that it was Khan because of the pony tail as DM Duncan and some others have suggested. I just saw a very imposing figure next to someone that I think it Harrison, and that’s why I think it may be Khan. I definitely agree –that is not a pony tail

Here is exactly what I said:

“It’s possible that in that scene in the trailer with the suspended animation coffins, the large guy on the left with his back facing us is Khan, with Harrison on his right.”

And I still stand by this until proven otherwise.

128. Vultan - December 22, 2012

Hear that, everyone? No more making fun of Benedart Cumberstruck’s name. The man is an accomplished actor. He may have a rough draft character name from a Harry Potter novel and look like David Hyde Pierce in a wind tunnel, but he is a legend.

He is… superior.

129. Curious Cadet - December 22, 2012

@ 125 MJ & Craiger,

See dmduncan’s post @89.

130. MJ - December 22, 2012

@128. You are like a kid in a Cucumberpatch concerning this topic, Vultan.

131. MJ - December 22, 2012

@129. Ah, yes! DM Duncan is right on target with that comment. Thanks

132. Disinvited - December 22, 2012

#123. Craiger.

Actually we have 2 conflicting statements on that. The writer says he wrote the script with the benefit that the 2009 effort established the characters and their stage on which they perform. But JJ says that he loves that he didn’t make the 2013 movie for fans of the 2009. Many interpret that to mean the sequel stands on its own.

133. Vultan - December 22, 2012

#130

Thanks. :D

I just find it funny that concerning a franchise with such wonderfully weird character, species and location names as—well, take your pick—some folks should get bent out of shape over having fun with a Trek actor’s name. How many times have we seen Shatner’s name butchered?

It’s all in good fun.

134. Craiger - December 22, 2012

What if Harrison turns out not to be an Augment at all? What if like I have said before he is just a regular Starfleet officer that belongs to part of Starfleet that doesn’t like their current policies and wants to overthrow them? Maybe to do this he captures Dr. Marus and uses her to inject him with the Augment gene and he also looks up info about what happened to Khan because he wants to inlist their help? While he is looking up that info could be a good spot for a regular flashback scene and not with a mind meld. This sequel could be an attempt to just show what happens when the Trek Utopia gets disrupted.

135. Classy M - December 22, 2012

Well, I’ve voiced my objections in the past to the mockery of Cumberbatch’s name. I realise to Americans it probably seems quintessentially British and so is fair game; I wonder if that would be the case if the actor’s name was Hispanic, African or belonged to some other ethnic minority.

I’ve been a Star Trek fan since the original series first aired, and one of the things that attracted me to it in the first place was the philosophy of respect for all living beings. The ongoing mangling of Benedict’s name on this site often comes across as snide and anything but respectful. I don’t think anyone minds the occasional affectionate nickname (a la ‘Shat’) but there are times when people on this board have crossed the line.

Three people have now requested this behaviour cease. Is it a case of the amusement of the many outweighs the discomfort of the few?

136. Vultan - December 22, 2012

#135

African? Even President Obama has made fun of his own name in the past.

Well, maybe it’s an American thing, but hopefully by the 23rd century people will learn to lighten up (about a lot of things).

137. Craiger - December 22, 2012

Another thing if it is Johnny from ST 2009 then the look on Kirk’s face seeing his childhood friend on the Klingon homeworld taking down that Klingon. He couldn’t believe that is his childhood friend with that kind of strength and now he has to take him down.

138. MJ - December 22, 2012

@134. Cragier, I am just not seeing his his “I shall have my vengeance” motive here in thus scenario? How does it become personal for him that way?

139. Classy M - December 22, 2012

#136 – I can’t speak for anyone else, but I think it’s just the relentlessness of the mockery that has worn me down. The same ‘joke’ is everywhere – twitter, blogs, websites. Even the Washington Post thought it was hilarious to mangle his name. Isn’t it just a bit juvenile? You’re a funny guy, Vultan. Surely you can find something more worthy of your talents?

Of course it’s a funny name. Benedict himself has said ‘It sounds like a fart in a bath.’ Maybe we could pick one nickname and stick with it rather than assuming one’s own variation is the MOST amusing and adding to the ever-increasing list.

As to your comment about Pres. Obama – it’s one thing to make fun of one’s own name. It’s a different matter when it’s the endless, tedious response of the public at large.

140. K-7 - December 22, 2012

@135. Lighten up!!! And now you are trying to play “the race card” over some fun with someone’s name? Give me a break.

Score another one for the anally-retentive subset of Trek fans. Sheesh! What a bunch of drivel to get excited about. I am embarrassed for you…or should I say cumberarrassed? :-)

141. Craiger - December 22, 2012

MJ, that’s true I keep forgetting about “I shall have my venegece” thing. Maybe Starfleet killed someone close to him or his family accidently but he doesn’t see it that way? Maybe it was Starfleet intervening on some planet were they shouldn’t have been where those people were? But Starfleet thought it was right in doing so?

142. K-7 - December 22, 2012

@139 “but I think it’s just the relentlessness of the mockery that has worn me down.”

Are you like BC”s mom or cousin then or something? I mean, come on, are you freaking serious? Warn you down? Really???

143. Classy M - December 22, 2012

#141: Really.

144. Vultan - December 22, 2012

#141

“Humour” can be very tiresome, K-7.

145. K-7 - December 22, 2012

@142. Wow! If this in indicative of you general attitude, I admire you for getting up every morning. If it were me, I would need to be on anti-depressants just to make it through the day.

I hope you can get past this; seriously, I am concerned for you.

146. K-7 - December 22, 2012

…..addressing “Classy M” in post above –showing as # 143 now (weird how the numbers keep changing all the time?)

147. Classy M - December 22, 2012

#144 – Now who needs to lighten up?

148. Magic_Al - December 22, 2012

One thing Hannibal Lecter, Jack Torrance and The Joker have in common, which might be out of place in Star Trek, is almost supernatural power. This type of villain is supposedly human but has a moment or moments when he suddenly appears as though out of nowhere or accomplishes an escape or sets a trap where there seems to be magic involved in anticipating what the hero would do or in what obstacles would have had to have been overcome. There’s a difference between a thriller and a horror flick and sometimes it seems we’re dealing with Freddy Krueger or Jason instead of someone who thinks and acts like a person. I hope that’s not relevant to this movie.

149. Killamarshtrek - December 22, 2012

@ 141. I think it’s actually Starfleet NOT intervening on a planet so as not to break the prime directive which leads to him losing his family, and that’s why he’s so pissed off at Starfleet/Earth! That’s why we’re introduced to the prime directive & the clash of morals it can create in the first 9 minutes!

Kirk breaks it to save Spock, then returns to earth leaving Spock in command for a disciplinary hearing when Harrison fires at them through the window from the small EVA craft 208, kills Pike which gives Kirk the personal reason to go after him against orders.

150. Curious Cadet - December 22, 2012

@ 141 Craiger,

Vengeance for a crazy person could be caused by anything. look at poor Ben Finney — he was prepared to bring down the Enterprise simply because he passed over for a promotion. Now we have confirmation from Abrams himself that Harrison is beyond being a certified nut job. He’s a first class, grade A psychopath.

And I agree, so far I have seen absolutely no evidence of Harrison being an “augment” or Khan, nor the story actually having anything to do with that. Not that what we’ve seen can’t point to that, just that there’s nothing conclusive so far. There’s exactly 42 frames of so-called “superhuman” ability which I contend can be explained alternatively. Cumberbatch says he has extraordinary physical and mental powers, but compared to me, so does Jason Bourne. So I say keep working the angle that Harrison is just a normal guy, at least until we actually have something concrete that points to a specific, undeniable conclusion. I know I will.

151. Craiger - December 22, 2012

#141 – Maybe Harrison’s family is in Starfleet and they are observing a planet’s population and something goes wrong but Starfleet can’t intervene because of the Prime-Directive? What if its that one Kirk and Bones are running on in the new trailer?

152. Craiger - December 22, 2012

Sorry I meant to reply to #149’s post.

153. Curious Cadet - December 22, 2012

@149 Killamarshtrek,

“I think it’s actually Starfleet NOT intervening on a planet so as not to break the prime directive”

That’s actually pretty good. Abrams has already said he’s not making this movie or the fans. So if the first 9 minutes serve the same purpose as they did in ST09, then Abrams isn’t going to build it completely around the Prime directive if it doesn’t have greater meaning in the overall film — just some arbitrary day in the life for the fans.

154. No Khan - December 22, 2012

107, In 1960s Hollywood they thought an actor with accent & a little make-up would fool the general audience in a little show about scifi. I know RM was a Mexican of Spanish or mixed ethnicity. But that won’t cut it today. Unless they change Khan from Indian to Hispanic.

155. No Khan - December 22, 2012

126. That looks like a bald dark skinned man on left maybe Noel Clarke. Who is on the left John Harrison?

156. MJ - December 22, 2012

@149,

You know, that is a pretty interesting scenario. One you thing it doesn’t explain though is the connection to the obvious suspended animation chambers from the Botany Bay shown in the trailer?

157. Trek Fan - December 22, 2012

111. MJ – December 22, 2012
“The Khan Faction has defeated and assimiliated the Mitchell Faction!”

That is because the “Khan faction” are delusional and won’t give up even when we now know that the villain isn’t Khan. John Harrison is not Khan. John Harrison is John Harrison.

You know, we could always read into that picture that Bad Robot posted… hmmm… looks like HAL from 2001. Gary Lockwood was in 2001. Garry Lockwood also played Gary Mitchell. Bad Robot is giving us a clue! The villain is Gary Mitchell!!

158. Trek Fan - December 22, 2012

156. MJ
“obvious suspended animation chambers from the Botany Bay shown in the trailer?”

Oh, I missed that they mentioned those were suspended animation chambers from the Botany Bay. What article was that in? This was confirmed? Or is this YOUR theory?

159. Uberbot - December 22, 2012

#42 — It’s a Khanomorph!

160. Lost Monk - December 22, 2012

The mangling of Cumberbatch’s name is neither snide nor racist. It’s infantile, puerile and lame.

(I realize infantile and puerile are fairly synonymous, but the situation calls for emphasis.)

161. Anthony Thompson - December 22, 2012

106 and 111. MJ

I never ONCE advocated For Mitchell! Check it out if you wish. Nor Garth. Nor Charlie X. Nor Gary Seven, etc. I have alaways hoped for (and believed) that the antagonist in the sequel will be a new character.

162. KHAAAN the weasel - December 23, 2012

Well, so he will be some kind of “comic book supervillain”, I guess… Do they really have to “un-trek” EVERYTHING for this new movie series?
I really fear that these new movies are gradually becoming less “trek” and more generic “space adventure action movies”… this is kinda sad.
But actually that’s also the reason why trek belongs on the TV screen and not the “big screen” anyway…

163. Disinvited - December 23, 2012

#160. Lost Monk

You mean as in “I can’t EMPHASIZE this enough.”?

164. Disinvited - December 23, 2012

#144. Vultan

I nelieve Meyer said “We learn by doing.”

165. Aurore - December 23, 2012

Mr. Cumberbatch plays John Harrison.

Also known as Raymond Shaw…also known as Nancy Crater.

This “theory” is the best I’ve read so far.

:)

166. dtug1701b - December 23, 2012

He is Kirks Son, David Marcus.

167. Brandon - December 23, 2012

“…a mixture of Hannibal Lector, Jack in the Shining and The Joker in Batman.”

That is quite possibly the dumbest thing I have ever read from Abrams. Makes him sound like every “executive producer” on a fan-made series who touts his captain as “a mixture of Kirk, Picard, and Sisko.” That’s great, lame-o. Here’s a twenty, go buy yourself some originality.

168. Jenna - December 23, 2012

@139 It’s kind of you, and it does annoy me too but I bet Benedict himself is tired but tolerant of it. He’s obviously quite used to it by now, and it will keep happening as his fame grows (which is actually a good thing). So maybe do what it seems he does and just ignore it! It’s just childish jokes people will tire of and his talent will make everyone forget.

169. Craiger - December 23, 2012

One thing we could base the character is Cumberbatch saying Harrison has great physical strength. Now all have to do is deduce how he got that strength.

170. Chris Roberts - December 23, 2012

I have to say, apart from showing increased strength and intellect, this guy sounds absolutely nothing like Khan.

171. Trek Fan - December 23, 2012

170. Chris Roberts

Agreed!

172. Jack - December 23, 2012

170. Yep. That, and they kind of did Khan (Nero) and his followers, complete with parasite, in the last one.

There still may be a connection. But…

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