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Watch: First Clip From Star Trek Into Darkness [UPDATED] April 22, 2013

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Paramount has released the first full clip from Star Trek Into Darkness. It shows a scene that you would recognize if you saw the 9-minute IMAX preview in December, featuring the USS Enterprise bridge (in some interesting official Starfleet outfits) crew trying to help out a friend. Watch it below. Obviously being a clip it contains spoilers. [UPDATED: Now with YouTube version]

 

Star Trek Into Darkness Clip #1

UPDATE: Here is the first clip from Star Trek Into Darkness (now available in YouTube).

 

Comments

1. Nerd1701 - April 22, 2013

WOOO!

2. semander - April 22, 2013

Nice pace, nice editing, nice score from what I’ve seen. Soo looking forward to this film :)

3. Aggi - April 22, 2013

Wow, cool clip! I want to see the whole movie!!!

4. Div - April 22, 2013

Seems like only India isn’t getting any promotional stuff for the movie -_-

5. Dave - April 22, 2013

01:17 – Crafty ;)

Only two weeks to go !!! I cannae hold oot Capt’n !

6. matt - April 22, 2013

oh yeah!!!!!!

7. rm10019 - April 22, 2013

I would watch this movie…

Oh maybe 10 or 50 times

8. matt - April 22, 2013

the wait for this movie is going to kill me. i just know it.

9. Curious Cadet - April 22, 2013

Yup. This movie is about the Prime Directive and has nothing to do with Khan.

10. Borgminister - April 22, 2013

WOW @ last statement by McCoy especially…

11. Benny - April 22, 2013

This is where the 10 minute IMAX preview ended if I remember correctly. Looks incredible, I can’t wait for it to release. I’m going to have to start staying away from this website after the next few days, I don’t want any spoilers!

Also, here’s a new STID fan trailer made with the same music as the final Star Trek (2009) trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xzWkDBM1yw

12. ewplayer3 - April 22, 2013

OMGOMGOMGOGMGOM!!!!!!! I need to see this NOW!!!

13. Andrew - April 22, 2013

That clip was fantastic. It says so much about what Trek is about, and yet that’s barely more than a minute.

14. Barney Fife - April 22, 2013

Come on, Paramount – – why is the USA last in line to see this movie. Can. Not. Wait!

15. Curious Cadet - April 22, 2013

I do have an issue with Uhura just standing there slack-jawed rather than taking her station. Obviously whoever was filing in for her was relieved when she stepped on the bridge as no one was sitting there through the scene. When Kirk asked her to do her job, she could not comply instantaneously. I realize there are extenuating circumstances, but still, she’s being depicted quite unprofessionally, and little too “damsel in distress” for my taste. I could be wrong and if the situation were reversed Abrams might well have had Spock standing there focused on Uhura rather than his job, but I doubt it. It’s very stagey either way. There’s nothing in the screen yet they are all focused on it.

16. Aurore - April 22, 2013

Oh my god…
I loved what I saw….

…And, Captain, Doctor, Hikaru… despite my being worried about Spock, I noticed what you were wearing…Not bad, not bad at all….

:)

17. Flake - April 22, 2013

Chekov lives!

18. RedShirtWalking - April 22, 2013

I’m in the US and can’t see the preview. Why they gotta hate on Massachusetts? lol

19. Michael - April 22, 2013

Scared of a big fish.. LOL hahahaha the most funniest scene

20. Dave - April 22, 2013

@ Curious Cadet

Good point. You’d think that if this movie had anything to do with Khan then the opening sequence would have some thread to hint at it.

21. Tuomas - April 22, 2013

#14: USA is definitely not the last in line. I live in Finland and we have to wait until 5th June to see this film.

With that said, I cannot wait!

22. martin - April 22, 2013

Very close to cutting off Trekmovie and the other sites from my browser. We are only a few days from really finding out who Cumberbatch is.

23. Mad Mann - April 22, 2013

I decided I am not going to watch any clips this time. I watched too much of them last movie.

24. Jack - April 22, 2013

“I do have an issue with Uhura just standing there slack-jawed rather than taking her station. Obviously whoever was filing in for her was relieved when she stepped on the bridge as no one was sitting there through the scene. When Kirk asked her to do her job, she could not comply instantaneously. I realize there are extenuating circumstances, but still, she’s being depicted quite unprofessionally, and little too “damsel in distress” for my taste.”

Really?

25. Flake - April 22, 2013

Hopefully Uhura does not spend the entire movie kissing Spock when they are together and worrying about him when they are apart. Your in Starfleet and this shit happens every week! :)

Can you imagine what goes through Uhuras mind?

OMG my wonderful Spock has been attacked by flying pizza!
OMG! Spocks brain is gone!!!! WTFFF!!! *cries* *resigns from Starfleet*

and so on.

Starfleet relationships never going to work.

26. Navy - April 22, 2013

@24

When your boss shows up to the job site, everyone keeps working except the people he has to talk to. If you have a job to do, but you’re standing there with a thimb up your ass watching everything around you, instead of your job, that is unprofessional. Though in the JJ universe Starfleet is far from professional.

27. Derek - April 22, 2013

@14 + @21 South Africa, 14th June :( sucks to be me

28. KHAAAN, the weasel - April 22, 2013

Mmmh, sweet 1080p! Nice, very nice. One thing, that’s funny is, that I really start hearing “Spock” when I hear Zachary Quinto’s voice. Back when Trek ’09 came out, I sorta couldn’t help but imagine what Quinto’s lines would’ve sounded like if Nimoy had delivered them. Looks like Quinto’s Spock has become “rooted” inside my mind.

29. Curious Cadet - April 22, 2013

@24 Jack,

Yup. It may just be a matter of taste. The way Abrams plays it all forward when there is nothing to look at. Perhaps a more intimate, shared glances would have made more sense. With everyone making eye contact, knowing, understanding. Then again, looking at a blank screen was a TOS convention too. But yeah, Uhura needs to take her station and not stand there all weepy center stage so she can bite her knuckles for the audience. So stereotypical, so unnecessary. I understand the human emotion and drama, but Uhura has a job to do, and just standing there reinforces those who say such a relationship is innapropriate in the first place. I could be wrong, but this seems to be striving for the same level of drama as the opening of ST09 when George Kirk so eloquently sacrificed himself for his crew, and family all while maintaining a casual conversation about what to name his newborn son, but this fails to achieve the same power.

30. Moputo Jones - April 22, 2013

So the movie premieres tomorrow in Australia – which means we’ll start getting some major spoilers early tomorrow morning.

31. TT - April 22, 2013

@curious cadet., I bet you’ll be the first one to complain when she does do her job and has her badass scenes. It seems like Uhura will never with most people.

32. CaptainDonovin - April 22, 2013

That was cool, can NOT wait!

33. George Zip - April 22, 2013

What are the last lines said between Kirk and … who is that next to him? It sounds to me like he’s asking “what would Spock do?” and the other person (is that McCoy?) says, “he would let you die”.

(I’m a hearing impaired and, even with the volume way up, I’m struggling to understand the words.)

34. Dee - lvs moon surface - April 22, 2013

YAY!!! Captain is on the bridge in wet suit!!!

…………….. I LIKE THIS SHIP!!!

…….HELLO, Mr. Orci!!! ….. THANKS all for this scene!!! ;-) :-)

35. Jason S. - April 22, 2013

This looks so dumb. Jumping past the obvious crappy lens flairs, it feels like a hollow version of Star Trek. Uhura is just standing there, Mr. Scott is making funny faces at fish (by the way, having little more then a window between outside the bridge and the bridge is a dumb idea!), Kirk and Spock are having some kind of forced discussion about the Prime Directive.

Specking of which, when will Spock Prime start following the Temporal Prime Directive? He has a duty to reverse the damage that Nero did and make it back to his own time (and universe). This whole film series is one bad Temporal Prime Directive divergence.

36. NuFan - April 22, 2013

Specking is not permitted here.

37. Curious Cadet - April 22, 2013

@31. TT,
“I bet you’ll be the first one to complain when she does do her job and has her badass scenes.”

And why would I do that based on what I wrote?

38. Commodore Adams - April 22, 2013

@32 George Zip

Yup its McCoy, and yes you heard correct. Kirk say’s to McCoy “If Spock where here and I were there, what would Spock do.” McCoy responds, “He’d let you die.”

39. LizardGirl - April 22, 2013

Some here are very quick to say Uhura is acting “unprofessional”. I don’t know about anyone else, but I didn’t see her weeping, babbling, or acting “girly”. She actually seemed quite controlled giving the situation. And if I watched the same clip that you guys did, then I’d say she wasn’t the only one “standing around”. No one’s actually “doing” anything except arguing with Spock.

So to repeat what Jack said…seriously?

40. Dennis Bailey - April 22, 2013

#34: “This looks so dumb. ”

No.

41. Buzz Cagney - April 22, 2013

Oh no, Spock dies.
Anyhoo, nice weather we’ve been having lately. Spring has finally sprung.

42. Buzz Cagney - April 22, 2013

Oh no, Spock dies.
Anyhoo, nice weather we’ve been having lately. Spring has finally sprung.

43. LizardGirl - April 22, 2013

@39

LOL!

44. Jemini - April 22, 2013

@curious cadet

again you’re nitpicking about Uhura and ridiculously and transparently so.
I could say that you are talking about a scene where McCoy isn’t in sickbay doing his job and Scotty also isn’t in engineering doing his job. So, what are these guys doing standing there? What is their fundamental contribution to the action aside from making some comments and looking worried for Spock just like everyone here?

but I honestly give up about this double standard regarding Uhura.

btw: if you notice she was working on her station and it’s only when Kirk and the others got on the bridge that she stands up and Kirk is talking to her .. and I don’t think that she could follow Kirk’s “order” faster than that.

45. Theatre Historian - April 22, 2013

I like the bit of new underscore we are hearing here as well.
I can’t wait till the soundtrack has its official release in a a few weeks as well. very anxious to hear more of Giacchino’s second trek score.

46. Olivia - April 22, 2013

Yawn.
All the yelling on the Bridge of an Star Ship by its elite crew seems idiotic.
Is that really the only way these actors under JA direction can convey drama ?

The dialogue seems driven to give vent to sacred canon ” The needs of the many….” Does Spock just keep saying ‘that’ through his whole career when in a tight corner ??

The costumes are ridiculous. I can see why Benedict Cumberbatch said you one ” could tell his religion when in costume”. The only reason I would attend would be to see Ben ‘do’ Hollywood and act the other guys off the screen.

47. Groucho - April 22, 2013

@ Jason S. “by the way, having little more then a window between outside the bridge and the bridge is a dumb idea!”

You mean the idea that’s been there since the series started in ’66 and has been utilised in practically every spaceship in every Sci-Fi movie set in space? That dumb idea?

48. Smike - April 22, 2013

@13: “That clip was fantastic. It says so much about what Trek is about, and yet that’s barely more than a minute.”

Indeed…

@9: “Yup. This movie is about the Prime Directive and has nothing to do with Khan.”

Err…and that’s why Spock’s quoting his own TWOK line “The needs of the many…” If we needed one more proof…

49. Markus - April 22, 2013

I think the editing is quite strange. it seems too rushed. destroyed the dynamic somehow.

50. Flake - April 22, 2013

I see GATT on the bridge as well :)

Scotty, divert Warp Steam from the brewery to the engines, we will create a shit load of fog so the indigenous tribes cannot see anything, todays alcohol batch will have to be sacrificed.

51. Smike - April 22, 2013

@46: Untrue. The window was invented for ST09…the other installments had viewscreens against solid trinanium alloy :-)

52. martin - April 22, 2013

Star Trek 2009 – a shuttle transporter can transport two people onto a ship at warp light-hours or days away. The starship transporter can transport between a ship in the sensor dampening rings of Saturn to a ship in Earth orbit.

Star Trek 2013 – the starship transporter on a stationary starship cannot transport someone out of a volcano over less than a hundred miles without being line of sight.

K. (still is gonna be great though).

53. Theatre Historian - April 22, 2013

Its now just about 4Am on Tuesay morning in Australia, Soo exciting only aproximately 15 hours away till the first of the around the world Gala premiere’s for Into Darkness.

54. sunfell - April 22, 2013

This is going to be great. I just hope the the folks who see it before the majority of us don’t spoil it too badly.

55. T'Cal - April 22, 2013

NuSpoock dies so they heal the younger man’s body and place OldSpock’s katra in it. The end.

56. EM - April 22, 2013

Cannot wait…for…the move…to…start playing in my local theatre..but…I must.

57. T'Cal - April 22, 2013

The needs of the many sounded a bit forced but I’ll hold off judgment because we don’t have the luxury of having seen what leads up to that moment. It looks great and I’m excited!

58. Jemini - April 22, 2013

It’s funny to imagine the reaction if Uhura was the one making a funny face to the fish. OMG it’s a moment of crisis their friend trapped in a volcano might die and not only she isn’t doing her job but her only contribution to the scene is making a funny face to a fish how silly how unprofessional!
what if Uhura had McCoy’s job? I can read the comments already: what is the doctor doing running in a forest with Kirk? Couldn’t Kirk take Cupcake with him? See their friendship is making them both unprofessional!

and I can’t imagine what would have been the reaction if Zoe was the one reading the audio book instead of Alice Eve. (OMG why Zoe? she’s replacing MCCoy! Why couldn’t Karl Urban read it?) Just a feeling.

it doesn’t matter what the writers do with Uhura they can never win with some of you, at least as long as Spock had romantic feelings for her.

59. BillyBoy - April 22, 2013

I think the nine minute preview ended slightly after this, with Spock seemingly consumed by the volcano (giving us preview audiences a cliffhanger)

60. enterprise1965 - April 22, 2013

Please no more spoilers or I will not be back to this site again til after the movie opens.

61. Curious Cadet - April 22, 2013

@34. Jason S.,
“when will Spock Prime start following the Temporal Prime Directive”

The TPD applies to members of Starfleet. Spock is not an active member of Starfleet.

But more importantly, the TPD is pointless now. Might as well forget about all those episodes which dealt with it, as well as the ridiculous concoction that is the Temporal Integrity Comission, at least in the Abrams universe. Now that Star Trek subscribes to MWI, the universe Prime Spock is in is merely one of infinite universes where where literally every possibility has occurred. There is no going back. The best Prime Sock could hope for is to splinter off into a different alternate reality where things might be similar, where he exists in it. And arguably that action alone is a violation of the TPD (to the extent it applies at all anymore) — creating a new timeline in which his mere arrival may have altered things, much less his continued presence.

Could Prime Spock help fix the damage Nero has done? Sure, but for the most part, the damage is done. This reality will continue to evolve on the course set in motion by Nero and there’s only so much PS can do, much less repair all the damage. Add to that this isn’t PS’s universe, it’s just one of an infinite number to which he has no particular attachment, other than it happens to be the one in which he finds himself. So there’s no real compulsion to go out of his way to get involved beyond his immediate circumstances.

However, we WILL see Prime Sock in this movie, helping fix some of the problems caused by Nero I suspect.

62. Capt. Davis - April 22, 2013

@51: I seem to recall a TOS episode where the Enterprise was miniaturized and Kirk was looking from the outside into the bridge through the viewing screen. That would suggest that the viewer is made of glass or is transparent. Does anybody remember that episode?

63. AyanEva - April 22, 2013

So close, yet so far away!

Those wetsuits look really uncomfortable. lol

64. Vespasian - April 22, 2013

What’s the problem with Uhura standing?

I’m watching Arena (TOS) now and at 23:17 Uhura shrieks and stands around for like a minute. Even Starfleet officers can be fazed I guess.

So please, if you have high standards for Abrams-Trek, apply these same standards for other Trek as well.

I like the clip, BTW.:D

65. Anthony Pascale - April 22, 2013

enterprise1965

are you seriously asking TrekMovie.com to not post official Paramount clips from a Star Trek movie?

you don’t have to watch them you know….willpower!

66. spock - April 22, 2013

Love the allusions to Immunity Syndrome and Wrath of Khan

67. Dr. Image - April 22, 2013

Notice: LESS LENS FLARES!

68. spock - April 22, 2013

The wetsuits sort of remind me of the Star Trek TMP uniforms

69. baby - April 22, 2013

Paramount are really going over kill with this film. every single day there is a new clip.I hope this film is a huge hit.

i am talking about 700 million dollars worldwide. and 300 million in the usa

70. Nomad - April 22, 2013

Oh gosh, that looks good.

71. Zom B. - April 22, 2013

62 – I think the Episode was ‘Catspaw’???

but Kirk wasn’t looking through a window. His awesomess just allowed him see through the hull…

72. spock - April 22, 2013

@62 it was Requiem of Methuselah

73. Curious Cadet - April 22, 2013

@44. Jemini,
“btw: if you notice she was working on her station and it’s only when Kirk and the others got on the bridge that she stands up and Kirk is talking to her …”

Oh my bad. That actually changes it quite a bit for me. I thought she ran in from the hall shortly after the rest entered given that she was with Sulu on the shuttle (wow she got back to the bridge fast).

However, she is still being used by Abrams to get weepy, when she should have gone back to her post. She’s the only one who gets teary-eyed and puts her hand to her mouth. I’m sure it’s not the only take she did, and I doubt she performed it the same way every time, but it’s the take Abrams used, and having her stand there was purely for emotional purposes to show her vulnerability to the audience which mostly perpetuates a negative feminine stereotype to me.

As for the others, well Scotty is a department head, Uhura isn’t, and is serving in his supervisory capacity of reporting and advising, his particular expertise not being needed elsewhere on the ship as far as I can tell. You don’t see generals in the situation room doing much but standing around either. McCoy has always spent too much time on the bridge for my taste, but in this case, doubtful he has much else to do besides file reports, again as a department head, and abusing his friendship with Kirk — for the record I’ve never considered McCoy very professional, he’s like Hawkeye Pierce, but that’s the character. Everyone else is at their post as far as I can tell.

And for your other points, I don’t disagree, McCoy had no business being on Niburu with Kirk. The Scotty/fish thing really is an unwelcome change of character for me and certainly inappropriate at that moment, and I have no idea what you are talking about with Eve and the “audio book”.

So yeah, I’m gonna call out problems as I see them. And all things considered I’d like to see the female characters portrayed more equally and less stereotypically.

74. Zom B. - April 22, 2013

66 – that’s what i was thinking.

was waiting for McCoy to make that same face after he says “shut up Spock…” but maybe that would have been too much.

75. The Art of Film is Dead - April 22, 2013

69.

400 million international dollars? Don’t see that happening for a TREK movie.

76. Zom B. - April 22, 2013

72 – then maybe Catspaw is where she put the E on a necklace or something??

77. Curious Cadet - April 22, 2013

@64. Vespasian,
“I’m watching Arena (TOS) now and at 23:17 Uhura shrieks and stands around for like a minute. …So please, if you have high standards for Abrams-Trek, apply these same standards for other Trek as well.”

Oh rest assured I do. Scenes like that from the sixties are what’s wrong with Uhura still behaving that way today. It’s not about Starfleet officers being fazed, it’s about only the women shrieking and fainting while the men stand stoically around in control of themselves. Uhura shrieking is stereotypical female behavior from women in the sixties, because women were “frail emotional and hysterical”, always in need of a good slap. Seriously it’s 2013, we can do better.

78. Elias Javalis - April 22, 2013

Ha…love the Spock classic line! Thanks Bob, Alex and Daimon!

79. The Art of Film is Dead - April 22, 2013

Minor bunder… possible continuity error.

At 0:46 minutes into the clip, a female crewperson in the background stands up.

At 0:49 minutes into the clip, the same female crewperson is sitting down.

At 0:50 minutes into the clip, the same female crewperson stands up again.

80. flo - April 22, 2013

so am i right that scotty fears the 800 – 1300 degree celsius “hot” magma could damage his enterprise? really?

81. The Art of Film is Dead - April 22, 2013

Lol. That’s blunder…

82. Flake - April 22, 2013

80: if Scotty says something like “thanks to our duranium hull we could hover above this volcano for about 2000 years without any issue whatsoever” then that kinda ruins things… I think it’s just to keep the tension building.

83. Rebecca74 - April 22, 2013

#58 – Jemini
I think it boils down to the fact that certain folks would prefer Lt. Uhura “back in her place”. We all watched the same clip, but for some, she’s the *only* one that’s “unprofessional” and “not doing her job”.

It’s also telling when these folks talk about Lt. Uhura being a “damsel in distress”, as if it’s something you see all the time from black women in the media. We’re always portrayed as the hard, unemotional, strong women, unfazed by situations around us. That’s not empowering to black women one bit. Is she not allowed her emotions? She’s not a Vulcan.

So, if Lt. Uhura covers her mouth at a moment of vulnerability and STILL does her job, then I don’t see anything to complain about.

84. Cinema Geekly - April 22, 2013

@79 I think is because they edited the scene differently.

This was out of the 9 minute IMAX preview and in that scene I remember the “needs of the many” comment coming just before “Spock no one knows the rules better than you”.

Now they have moved it after Kirk’s line which I personally like a lot more. Originally it made it sound like that old Vulcan saying was a Starfleet rule or something.

85. enterprise1965 - April 22, 2013

@65

Anthony you are so correct “willpower” I wish I had it. Trekmovie.com is my home page on my browser.

86. SirMartman - April 22, 2013

Re:79. The Art of Film is Dead – April 22, 2013

the female crewperson needs a loo break,,but cant leave her post !

87. J - April 22, 2013

80: worse. He’s worried about salt water corroding the Enterprise. Seriously.

88. gingerly - April 22, 2013

I knew the nitpickers would come out trying to critique the entire film based on a minute clip.

For you precogs, I only offer this;

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhi2hmRKvo1qc6xnl.gif

You can can have some, only after I’ve danced and taken a couple bites.

89. Flake - April 22, 2013

It’s just the paint. Scotty hates having to re-paint all the bumps and scrapes that Kirk causes. The salt water ruins the paint work !!

90. LizardGirl - April 22, 2013

@77

Look, if you don’t like this Uhura, then just say so. No need to justify the biased nitpicks. And yeeahh, I said biased. Have you seen the movie? Let’s wait until it’s in theaters to see how weepy and girly she is.

“It’s not about Starfleet officers being fazed, it’s about only the women shrieking and fainting while the men stand stoically around in control of themselves.”–Curious Cadet (post 77)

This seemed kind of an exaggeration. For TOS yeah you’re right, but not the new Star Trek. I didn’t see any of this behavior from the women in ST09. Even Kirk’s mother was brave. And Spock’s mother was brave even up to the moment of death (yeah she screamed though, argh! those girly feelings again!). The previous movie and a handful of clips of this one is all anyone has to go on, which means nothing if taken out of context (which is what, it seems, you’re doing).

Also, the males seemed pretty upset in this clip. Either way, all of them are human. I would expect emotion from all of them. And would be puzzled if they didn’t show any.

http://screenrant.com/star-trek-2-questions/

91. VOODOO - April 22, 2013

What is up with those uniforms?

92. Kev-1 - April 22, 2013

They used one of TOS’s best lines, from “The Immunity Syndrome”, where McCoy says, “Shut up, Spock, we’re rescuing you!” Wish they had used something new. Scene here looks interesting.

93. Captain Ransom - April 22, 2013

karl urban is the only one who can actually act.

@15: hypersensitive much? get a life.

94. omegaman - April 22, 2013

62 Yes, I believe it was the episode Catspaw.

95. The Art of Film is Dead - April 22, 2013

88.

Back in December, Trekmovie posted an entire article pointing out that the announcement trailer had been photobombed. Nothing wrong about pointing out these kinds of errors… nitpicks if you want to call them that. Don’t take TREK, or yourself that seriously.

Here’s the link:

http://trekmovie.com/2012/12/11/was-star-trek-trailer-photobombed-into-darkness-trailer-mashups/

96. Crusade2267 - April 22, 2013

I love the “Shut up Spock, we’re rescuing you” moment. Why thank you, Captain McCoy.

97. gingerly - April 22, 2013

@95

Was the dancing chicken guy one of the photobombers??? If so, then they should have left him in, I say!

98. Coastie - April 22, 2013

More allusions to the original Star Trek 2? They make it seem as if Spock dies in the beginning of the movie but he really isn’t dead? Then the hands with the glass between glimpse? Hmmmmmm …

And to add to the Uhura unprofessional comments, as in 26 where my deep water counterpart “Navy” had commented … JJ’s Starfleet isn’t exactly up to the same military standards as The Star Trek 2 – Star Trek 6 universe. Its just something I’ve learned to deal with. I prefer the more military oriented Star Fleet of 2-6 to TNG starfleet. At least the TNG Starfleet crew was more respectful to eachother though and not snarky like the JJ cast.

99. omegaman - April 22, 2013

The episode where Kirk peers into the bridge of the miniaturised Enterprise is Requiem for Methuselah… Not Catspaw… My mistake.

100. Underhill - April 22, 2013

Something bothers me about Quinto’s Spock. I think it’s that he seems to race through his lines. He did it in ST09, and here he is again spouting off his logic like canned lines. I like the content of his lines, I just wish he appeared more thoughtful when he speaks.

Otherwise, I dig it. And I’m done watching clips and reading spoilers!! Gotta keep it fresh for the big screen.

101. Coastie - April 22, 2013

Anyways, one more point then I’m done … why do I feel like I’m watching Galaxy Quest with this clip? :-P I’m just as excited as the next guy to see this movie, but jeeze do I wish it were 1982 :(

102. John from Cincinnati - April 22, 2013

I think the complaints about Uhura are based on the fact she has gone from a minor TOS character to one of even more importance than McCoy. Whether she is acting like the other men on the bridge or not, the new Uhura will have a target on her as long as she gets more screen time than McCoy. Remember the Kirk, Spock, McCoy troika? The legendary threesome. Still waiting for it.

103. John from Cincinnati - April 22, 2013

The Original series had three actors names at the beginning of the show…

William Shatner
Leonard Nimoy
DeForest Kelley (NOTE: not Nichelle Nichols)

104. John from Cincinnati - April 22, 2013

When reading the interview with Paramount Exec Brian Miller about the new Star Trek Video Game, that is canon, he said “We wanted to make a game that was Star Trek, to us that is Kirk and Spock.” So a Paramount exec doesnt even know his own franchise (kirk, Spock & McCoy).

105. boborci - April 22, 2013

questions so far?

106. Steve - April 22, 2013

@boborco Was that the final score? Sounds great! Also….those wetsuits look awfully tight! Hahaha. I like.

107. captain spock - April 22, 2013

nooooooo dont kill spock please!, chekov is in a yellow uniforme on the bridge then we see him in a red shirt in the engin room hum , whats up with that ! ,I have to see this movie may 17th.

108. sean - April 22, 2013

People are complaining about Uhura not being at her station, but did no one actually listen to her dialog? The heat in the volcano is destroying Spock’s comms. What is she supposed to do about that? Yes, Kirk orders her to try to get him back but it’s obvious that’s a hail mary.

109. CoffeeProf - April 22, 2013

35

If you hate it so much then STOP COMING TO THIS SITE and watch your old Trek.

110. Phil - April 22, 2013

Guys, Kelley was moved up in the billing second season. For a lot of people, Trek is Kirk, Spock, and everyone else…besides, that was then, this is now. This is an ensemble cast, so if someone other then McCoy gets attention it isn’t the end of the world.

111. JC Jr - April 22, 2013

105 @boborci – Sure, one question. Any chance you guys have any red matter laying around a prop room that can create a portal through time and drop us off at May 17, 2013?

112. ados - April 22, 2013

Bob is that a cgi fish or an real species?

113. P Technobabble - April 22, 2013

Bob O — is there a scale that exists that would allow you to rate how much fun you had making this movie?

114. Rebecca74 - April 22, 2013

#102 – Still doesn’t justify the ridiculous comments on here about Lt. Uhura, especially when there are 75 episodes and seven TOS movies with Lt. Uhura being a background character. Haven’t we seen enough of that already?

115. CoffeeProf - April 22, 2013

For all of you complaining about Uhura not being at her post…CHILL OUT. It’s called DRAMA and creating a DRAMATIC EFFECT for a FICTIONAL MOVIE. For God’s sake just enjoy this diversion from reality for a while instead of being “that guy.”

116. John from Cincinnati - April 22, 2013

boborci

Can yoiu help explain how the attack on the Kelvin has propogated the use of profanity in the new universe? In Star Trek IV, it was clear profanity was foreign to the characters: Spock “Captain, I;ve notice your use of shall we say, more colorful metahpors since we arrived.” Kirk: “That’s simply the way they talk here. No one pays attention to you unless you swear every other word.”

Flash forward to ST2009. Prime Spock “I am Spock” NewKirk :”Bullshit”
Star Trek Into Darkness : Kirk “Let’s go get that son of a bitch”

Is this an example of playing down to modern audiences?

117. Tom - April 22, 2013

Khan wrote the Prime Directive in order to kill Spock.

118. Curious Cadet - April 22, 2013

@83. Rebecca74,
“So, if Lt. Uhura covers her mouth at a moment of vulnerability and STILL does her job, then I don’t see anything to complain about.”

But she doesn’t does she? She’s away from her post standing in the middle of the bridge “biting her knuckles”. What if a warning light was flashing on her console that demanded her immediate attention?

@90. LizardGirl,
“if you don’t like this Uhura, then just say so. No need to justify the biased nitpicks….Have you seen the movie? Let’s wait until it’s in theaters to see how weepy and girly she is.”

I don’t hate this Uhura. I hate that Abrams is not seemingly treating the character with more respect. And what makes you think I am criticizing the whole movie? I’m criticizing this one scene which occurs very early on in the setup. As Brian Burke said in his interviews, they are not making this movie for the fans, but for brand new audiences who have never seen Trek before, therefore the film must introduce the cast all over again. So the trailers, and this scene are what is setting up the audiences expectations of what is to come. Now I know Uhura redeems herself with some tough action scenes later in the movie, but that does not justify exploiting these stereotypes right off the bat.

—————————–
“For TOS yeah you’re right, but not the new Star Trek. I didn’t see any of this behavior from the women in ST09.”

Well, considering I was only talking about TOS, I’d say you’re taking my argument out of context. However, that does not negate the fact that Zoe exhibits this type of behavior, as does Alice Eve in some of the few clips we do see for STID, though I don’t believe any of the men do (however their behavior is also somewhat stereotypical as well). As for ST09 I don’t really recall whether any of the women were shrieking, or weeping, etc. (i’ll disregard your unfair hyperbole concerning Spock’s mom). However, I do know that Uhura left her post unattended more than once to comfort Spock, and initiated at least one inappropriate public display of affection, while away from her post at a time she should have presumably been most focused on her job. This is not only unprofessional behavior, but also stereotypical.

119. Rebecca74 - April 22, 2013

#105 – How many more clips are we going to get?

120. TrekMadeMeWonder - April 22, 2013

He’d ley you die.

Hard to watch that line with out thinking of Judge Dredd.

Hey, J.J.! Could’nt you see you were framing that shot just like Judge Dread?!

121. Steve - April 22, 2013

@116 Please tell me you’re actually kidding with that ridiculous question? I mean, you have to be kidding because no rational person would ask a question like that.

122. Flake - April 22, 2013

116: I think you need to rewatch Star Trek 5 because McCoy tells Kirk that he pisses him off and I think Kirk mentions ass in the brig? Star Trek 3 features the ‘Klingon Bastards’ bit. Star Trek 4 as you mention has got all the colourful metaphors and I think Scotty says bitch in Trek 6? (I bet that BITCH killed her Father!) etc

123. TrekMadeMeWonder - April 22, 2013

Yeah, I also could not see why Unhura was away from her post at such a critical time. Bathroom break?

124. Bunk - April 22, 2013

God I love how the ‘Prise has actual BUTTONS to hit. Yay!

125. Capt. Roykirk - April 22, 2013

@116.

You do bring up a good point. It is odd that in the original it was explained that by this time period people didn’t really cuss, yet in the movie they act like anyone else in our time.

2 other things I noticed. Shouldn’t Uhura’s wetsuit be blue with red, like Kirks is blue with gold?
Also, why is the doorway labeled “airlock”? Just seemed odd.

126. Mr Tim - April 22, 2013

Kirk again uses the klingon bastard line at the end of star trek 5, and am pretty sure he lets out a ‘shit’ as he falls from the rock climbing at the beginning of trek 5 too… he probably let out at shit at both ends to be fair :)

127. Jenna - April 22, 2013

@105 boborci (Apologies for the fangirl nature of the question, but) please say the (revealing) scene Benedict said he and his trainer were working towards for weeks wasn’t really cut from the film as he said they feared?

128. The Baron Of Beef - April 22, 2013

Even if the whole film sucks, it will be worth buying a ticket just to see Uhura in that wetsuit!

I hope we get to see her in her panties, like we did in Star Trek ’09

129. boborci - April 22, 2013

116. Yeah. Beginning with the day of Kirk’s birth, SHIT HAPPENED!

130. Phil - April 22, 2013

I’ve taken a lot of s**t for suggesting that fraternization in the Trek universe is a bad idea, and now the writers have illustrated why its bad. Service organizations drill endlessly knowing that hesitation can be the difference between life and death, and there is Uhura, frozen in horror at the thought of her boyfriend coming out of the fryer extra crispy. I’m not opposed to the idea of women having relationships in Trek, but is it asking to much for them to at least be professional about it while on duty? Gender reverse it for a sec, would Kirk react the same way if he was giving the order to blow Carol Marcus out an airlock to save his ship? I doubt it….

131. Rebecca74 - April 22, 2013

#118 Curious Cadet
So, you’re upset about a hypothetical warning light? Are you serious? A warning light that supposedly *only* flashes on her console? That doesn’t have a voice alert?

Basically, Lt. Uhura can’t have an emotional reaction. She can’t stand (or sit) for that matter on the bridge and react emotionally, like Kirk and McCoy. Nope, she’s supposed to fall into that tired “strong, stoic black woman” trope that’s thrust upon black women all the time in the media. See, this is where you may intersectional feminism to get your head around it. You’re looking at Uhura like she’s a white woman, and she’s not. Those stereotypes you’re talking about only apply to white women in the media. “Damsel in distress”, “fainting”, “whimpering” aren’t things black women are even allowed to do in movies, if they’re even cast in the movie at all.

She’s reacting, and it doesn’t impede her ability to do her job, which she IS doing. She still has her earpiece in, doesn’t she? She TWO steps away from her station.

132. boborci - April 22, 2013

130. I would argue that, as seen in some great sci-fi novels, any culture capable of deep space mission like a five year mission or more would logically have to reconsider out current notions of fraternization.

133. John from Cincinnati - April 22, 2013

114.

I agree that some of the comments about Uhura are ridiculous. However, from a purely entertainment standpoint, the Spock/McCoy one liners are far more entertaining than watching a constantly weeping emotional Uhura. Add to that there is ZERO chemistry between Zoe Saldana and Zach Quinto.

134. boborci - April 22, 2013

113 lets use the Richter scale. 7.1

135. baby - April 22, 2013

If most of you guys are rich, you can buy a plane ticket to the UK just to see the film early.

136. JC Jr - April 22, 2013

Zero chemistry? Ummm….turbo-lift scene from ’09?

137. Jack - April 22, 2013

“It is odd that in the original it was explained that by this time period people didn’t really cuss, yet in the movie they act like anyone else in our time. ”

But before that movie, McCoy was known to use words like damn and son-of-a-bitch. So was Kirk. And since when is this cussing? I don’t exactly see Kirk saying he doesn’t want no m*ther****ing Gorn on his m*ther****ing ship.

That Trek V line was solely there for the sake of dumb comedy. And Nick Meyer put in a bunch of other fish-out-of-water stuff he’d left out of Somewhere in Time. Except most of it made the crew look like clueless buffoons.

“Also, why is the doorway labeled “airlock”?”

Because it’s an airlock.

138. harry james poyyet - April 22, 2013

Am seeing an awful patten here. So most trek fans have issues with uhura standing there looking nearly weepy and yet they praise Alice eve for standing there in her bikini… doing what exactly?

139. INS - April 22, 2013

Uhura’s not frozen in place and not doing her job. She’s at her station when Kirk, etc. comes in, and he calls her from her station (which is why you see her come out from behind the computerized panel). She’s standing there like everyone else because she is waiting for Kirk’s next order which is for her to try and re-establish contact. I;m starting to think there are some deeper issues with some folks concerning this character as she seems to get called out for doing exactly the same thing that everyone else is doing. She’s doing exactly what she is suppose to be doing in that scene, and can’t be blamed for peoples lack of paying attention to what’s going on in that scene.

140. Jack - April 22, 2013

130. So should friendships be banned too? Would Kirk hesitate because Spock’s his buddy?

141. Jack - April 22, 2013

133. Don’t mince words, John. How do you really feel?

142. Mark - April 22, 2013

131 rebecca74- what the hell are you talking about? Who’s talking about Uhura not allowed to show emotion because she’s black?? You’re the one who bringing up race for no apparent reason. Treating Uhura like a white woman? Are you serious? I’ve seem plenty of whiney, weepy women in film both black AND white. You seem to be taking this personally, calm down why don’t you. Yea, Uhura is just standing around, pointing that out isn’t “treating her like a white woman”. Are you saying white women aren’t strong and cry at the mere mention of distress? You sound ridiculous.

143. John from Cincinnati - April 22, 2013

One thing Gene Roddenberry gave us with Star Trek was a vision of the future and more importanty, a vision of ourselves progressed. Mankind that has moved past hunger, poverty, greed and as a visible (or audible) effect of that, no cussing. At least, cussing might exist but is no longer in the culture of mankind. By watching this supposed futuristic humans, and hearing them cuss all the time, takes the viewer out of the future, and now we’re just watching ourselves surrounded by higher technology. It’s not supposed to be ourselves we’re watching but rather, better versions of ourselves.

144. TrekMadeMeWonder - April 22, 2013

138. harry james poyyet

That’s becuase Zoe was just as stunning as Alice (no pun intended).

145. M_E - April 22, 2013

“What if a warning light was flashing on her console that demanded her immediate attention?”

Well, Sulu didn´t have a warning of any type to tell him why he couldn´t have the Enterprise warp for the first time in the previous movie… ;)
I always found the need of Spock telling him what to do awful… funny, but still awful…

146. harry james poyyet - April 22, 2013

@142 MARK

Uhura gets emotional because her boyfriend and team mate may die. that is a female behavior that has substance.

Alice eve stands there in her bikini showing of her great body. That is a female behavior that is quite shallow.

Obviously she shows us how great her body is. However, I guarantee that in this film Alice Eve been in her beginning would not have been necessary.

WHAT DIFFERS IN BOTH WOMEN?

uhura has received some of the most unfair comments and yet most of the fan boys worship Alice Eve.

Have you guys see LOTR? Arwen didn’t do much. she spent most of the time in the trilogy waiting and weeping because of Aragorn.

All Women (fictional or in reality) always gets tense and weepy over their husbands/boyfriends/lovers that is just how women are in nature.

uhura is no different but if Uhura was white am sure you boys wont take notice of that female weakness.

Name a film in recent history where the female lead never got stressed out or sad because of her love interest?

Of course of all this film have white female leads. so am guessing you boys did int notice.

ENOUGH PLEASE.

147. Rebecca74 - April 22, 2013

#133 John – And who’s to say that we won’t have our share in this movie? I have to respectfully disagree with your assessment of Zoe and Zach’s chemistry. They had it in spades.

#138 harry james poyyet – It’s all because Uhura’s not in the background anymore and she & Spock are together. Those two things trump every single thing she did in the first movie (like intercepting and translating the Klingon transmission, her fluency in all three dialects of Romulan, and the fact that she can discern between Romulan and Vulcan) to some people on here.

I can’t wait to see what complaints they have about Uhura in STID. I wonder how creative and original they will be.

148. Jack - April 22, 2013

116. John from Cincinnati – April 22, 2013

“Can you help explain how the attack on the Kelvin has propogated the use of profanity in the new universe? In Star Trek IV, it was clear profanity was foreign to the characters: Spock “Captain, I;ve notice your use of shall we say, more colorful metahpors since we arrived.” Kirk: “That’s simply the way they talk here. No one pays attention to you unless you swear every other word.'”

I’ve got two more points, aside from precedent and Meyer’s putting the characters out of character (Why won’t they [especially Kirk, a history buff] know what Italian food is 200 years from now? What, by the 23rd century everybody, everywhere just eats those blue marshmallow things?).

Spock wasn’t firing on all thrusters after his rebirth. And nobody in Trek ’09 was swearing every second (or every 100th) word.

Oh, final point: it’s not real.

149. CoffeeProf - April 22, 2013

143

Then, in that case, don’t watch Star Treks I, II, IIi, IV, V, and VI because they all have cussing in them.

150. INS - April 22, 2013

146. harry james poyyet

One of the best post on the board.

151. Josh C. - April 22, 2013

looks exciting. 25 days! (for those of us in the US)

152. NCC-73515 - April 22, 2013

boborci, is the fish a real one or a Neville Page creation (assuming he’s back on board)? Can we expect other animals / creature designs? ;)

153. gingerly - April 22, 2013

@bob orci

Please take your pick of one of these to answer:

Any more male nudity in this one? Some Quinto or Pine or Urban or Silver Fox (Pike) boot-tay??
How much trouble did that photobomber guy get into?
Do we have a good long blooper reel this time instead of mostly mouth noises?
How long is the movie?
Did you shed a tear when you saw the final cut?
How many redshirts die?

154. harry james poyyet - April 22, 2013

@142 MARK

Uhura gets emotional because her boyfriend and team mate may die. that is a female behavior that has substance.

Alice eve stands there in her bikini showing of her great body. That is a female behavior that is quite shallow.

Obviously she shows us how great her body is. However, I guarantee that in this film Alice Eve been in her pants/bra would not have been necessary.

WHAT DIFFERS IN BOTH WOMEN?

uhura has received some of the most unfair comments and yet most of the fan boys worship Alice Eve.

Have you guys see LOTR? Arwen didn’t do much. she spent most of the time in the trilogy waiting and weeping because of Aragorn.

All Women (fictional or in reality) always gets tense and weepy over their husbands/boyfriends/lovers that is just how women are in nature.

uhura is no different but if Uhura was white am sure you boys wont take notice of that female weakness.

Name a film in recent history where the female lead never got stressed out or sad because of her love interest?

Of course of all this film have white female leads. so am guessing you boys did int notice.

ENOUGH PLEASE.

155. Jack - April 22, 2013

143. I see your point. But I think the best of Trek treated Kirk as a fallible, human character — and not as an epic hero or as a representative of an advanced society. Starfleet, at its best, may show the best of us — but it’s about human beings. And we’re human beings now. What’s wrong with relating to these characters?

I think this idea that the Federation is sterilized and free of conflict (and contractions) is bizarre. Ideas of human rights and justice should matter a lot more than the occasional “bullshit.” In most Western cultures now, that isn’t even considered profanity.

I don’t think the word “son-of-a-bitch,” referring to an apparent mass murderer, is in danger of turning our crew into cavemen.

156. TrekMadeMeWonder - April 22, 2013

Correction. Zoe’s much HOTTER!

157. harry james poyyet - April 22, 2013

Sorry for my double post guys. My words are been messed up and changed by my microsoft word so i have to retype it.

But yeah…all this uhura hate, I have no doubt that if she were a white female lead it won’t have been so rabid.

158. Jack - April 22, 2013

“All Women (fictional or in reality) always gets tense and weepy over their husbands/boyfriends/lovers that is just how women are in nature.”

What?

159. Vultan - April 22, 2013

A couple of thoughts:

–So they can beam across solar systems and onto ships at warp but not through some ash and smoke?

–And wouldn’t it be better to keep the natives from seeing the Enterprise by having this massive spaceship remain in… space?

160. Killamarshtrek - April 22, 2013

@ Boborci

You guys wouldn’t portray an Indian character as an English white guy would you? (If you don’t answer I’ll have to assume you would!)

161. Cinema Geekly - April 22, 2013

@116 Depending on what you consider to be swearing there has been a lot in Star Trek.

Simple stuff like Kirk saying “let’s get the hell out of here” to “you Klingon bastards, you’ve killed my son” to “you green blooded son of a bitch”, all the way up to Data’s “ohhhhhh shiiiiiit”.

162. TrekMadeMeWonder - April 22, 2013

Anyhow, this whole scene is a bit silly.

Why did’nt they just lower the device into the volcano on the same wire Spock was on?

But, this is the best this movie has to feature?

Meesa gettin’ worried.
BBRRRRRLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!

163. Vultan - April 22, 2013

Oh yeah, and send the foreign guy down to do the dirty work when a probe would suffice. How typical.

Get a lawyer, Spock!

164. Rebecca74 - April 22, 2013

#142 Mark – I’m very calm, you’re the one feeling the need to get upset. I was responding to the person who decided to drop all those tropes at Lt. Uhura’s feet as if Uhura’s some “anti-feminist” role. I was merely pointing out the reality that in the majority of movies, black women aren’t allowed to react as Lt. Uhura is in that 1:17 clip (which I don’t have a problem with, but many on here do). There’s a difference of treatment of women, and yes it involves race. I’m not understanding why you’re having such a visceral reaction to what I wrote, especially since the model that person is using is how white women are treated in the media.

You can critique Uhura all you want. But if you’re framing your critique as some “feminist concern”, then that’s a major problem. Mainstream feminism ignores the racial implications for non-white women when it comes to gender, as if we’re all treated the same by the media. We’re not.

165. topas - April 22, 2013

@152 NCC-73515 – April 22, 2013
Can we expect other animals / creature designs? ;)

From the 9min preview: there is one new creature in the Nibiru scene (Kirk/McCoy running through red folliage).

166. Basement Blogger - April 22, 2013

When I saw this in the the theater, it gave me hope that this movie is going to be Star Trek. It’s great that the Supreme Court is introducing the Prime Directive. It’s something we can think and talk about. I tried researching the concept and it seems to me that Gene Roddenberry was disturbed by super power meddling in the third world. See “A Private Little War.”

One question. Wouldn’t stopping a volcano from erupting also violate the Prime Directive? Maybe Kirk brings that out in a disciplinary hearing. And I hope there’s more exposition later because some non-Trekkers may not get the idea of the Prime Directive. Regardless, the clip above is a great start to the second Star Trek film. And I loved the fish! :-)

167. John from Cincinnati - April 22, 2013

136

The most uncomfortable scene in the entire movie.

168. Phil - April 22, 2013

@132. Think is, in the Trek movie universe, we really have never seen anything resembling an extended mission. Will fraternization occur on deep space missions, probably. Will there be hard rules on appropriate on and off duty behavior? That’s almost certain. Thing is, you guys seemed to pull it off on the opening sequence from the last movie – Kirk Sr. had the emotional moment with his wife while saving the crew, and it didn’t seem to compromise the performance of his duty. Granted, all we have seen are snippets of this opening sequence, it could end up working out real well. The parts, viewed separately, not so much….

169. Phil - April 22, 2013

@140. Actually McCoy seems to understand the difference between friendship and duty, and he got it right. Spock would let Kirk die.

Of course, I’m not sure how you are going to get the ship off planet without revealing it one way or another, but that’s a separate conversation….

170. topas - April 22, 2013

168.
The fraternization is not so visible here as I see it…

Chekov, Sulu and Scott are maintaining protocol, addressing Kirk with ‘Sir’, Kirk calls Uhura “lieutenant’ for a sit-rep. Only McCoy breaks the protocol with his ‘Shut up Spock’. Everyone is emotional, granted (Sulu is the most calm one here), but the crew is still before it’s five year mission, they’re fresh, got keys to a shiny Connie and play – that’s probably what’d they get whooping for from Pike.

There’s been a lot of talk of maturing in this movie, so probably our impressions will be different after the whole 2 hours of the movie.

171. Disinvited - April 22, 2013

#146. harry james poyyet

Summer from 500 DAYS OF SUMMER? I believe she describes herself as the Sid Viscious half of the relationship.

172. IBorg35 - April 22, 2013

As much as I want to like this… it all seems like a farce… like an expensive fan film or kids “playing ” Star Trek — Chekov’s fake accent, Scotty’s exasperation – they both seem like celeb impersonators, not characters. It “feels” like that old SNL skit. Throw in the classic Spock epitaph for the core fans and stir…

173. dan67 - April 22, 2013

oh my god holy crap nuff said

174. Thumbs UP - April 22, 2013

Karl Urban – NAILS IT as Dr. McCoy.

Zac Quinto – poor gravitas, underwhelming delivery (even if he is emotionless, logical and frying in a volcano).

Everyone else – Exceptional!

I’m soooo ready for this movie! (Good writing in that scene, btw!!)

175. Navy - April 22, 2013

@BobOrci

How does it feel to be part of something that is the least like Star Trek of any of the Trek’s?

176. Doug - April 22, 2013

#172

Yes, this just doesn’t have the same level of reality and well acted drama that episodes like “Spock’s Brain” and “The Way to Eden” had…yeah brother. Remember in “TMP” how they all stood for 2 hours looking at a screen with nothing on it but electric clouds? Man that was great.

177. Robman007 - April 22, 2013

Star Trek fans on here keepin it classy….and some wonder why we get made fun of….folks need to get a grip on reality and chill some. Get over the “it’s not my Trek” garbage. Sound like a bunch of cry baby “lucas ruined my childhood” star wars fans.

Funny thing is that each one of the “serious” fans will go watch the movie on night one, two, three and five, talk about how awesome it was, then come on here and bash it for not being more like Spock’s Brain. Geezus

178. JohnRambo - April 22, 2013

@175. Navy

r u drunk?

179. Pg - April 22, 2013

Some of the complaints are just dumbfounded at best on here lol… It’s a movie, it’s make believe, and it’s a new interpretation on the world Gene Roddenbarry created… Some people seem to be thinking JJ Abrams ruined everything with Trek.. Um, no, Trek was almost destroyed by the massive failure that was Star Trek Nemesis. Everything was overkill at that point with Voyager having ended, Enterprise starting up, and oversaturation was definitely in play. The same concept that Disney needs to be really careful of with Star Wars.

My only legit concern for the new movie is I’ve not read or heard any of the actors say it’s a “good movie”.. I’ve heard the term “intense”, but none of the actors or producers have gone out of their way to say “this is a good film”.. that has my very concerned because if you remember in 2009, everyone involved wasn’t afraid of uttering they had a winner on their hands… I just hope it’s not a jumbled mess like the trailers sort of make it out to being. Maybe the trailers are simply cut to make us keep guessing at the overall story arc, but something about them just seems kinda off to me. Waiting 4 years and having this film just turn out to be average would absolutely suck eh? :)

180. afort - April 22, 2013

@33
Kirk: “If Spock were here and I were there, what would he do?”
McCoy: “He would let you die.”

181. Flake - April 22, 2013

boborci: please put Mress & Arex from The Animated Series into the next Star Trek :)

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Arex
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/M%27Ress

182. Flake - April 22, 2013

just in the background or something, they don’t have to speak!

183. Bobby - April 22, 2013

#175 Navy

That’s being rude. Why don’t you devote your life and career to writing and producing films and tv shows, do it as successfully as Orci and crew….and then come back and we’ll see how well you do?

184. MJ - April 22, 2013

Just as a note to my friends here, given that the premiere is tomorrow in Australia, starting at midnight tonight, I will not be coming to this site or commenting here again until May 16th — the morning after I see the sneak premiere here in SoCal.

Talk to you all in about 3.5 weeks.

Best Regards, MJ

PS: Anthony, I apologize for my remarks on the Star Trek videogame. I will not post on that topic again.

185. Marja - April 22, 2013

McCoy: “Shut up Spock, we’re trying to rescue you!!” er, “save” you! Nice tribute! Thanks Bob Orci! :)

#15, Curious, Uhura is wearing her Comms earpiece. Also this is a fictional drama, where emotions [in EVERYONE] are highlighted. *Perhaps her waiting is a matter of having to wait for captain’s orders* [in TOS and in ST2009 the captain has to order the helmsman to … er, steer the ship in a sensible manner! In a contemporary Navy/Coast Guard ship it makes sense, as the timing is sooo much slower, based on ships’ power and the laws of motion] but I’ve always thought this aspect of Trek rather silly.

That said, Zaldana is certainly great at that moment, listening to Spock go on about TPD. Also as some point out, Uhura screaming has been done before, and Uhura didn’t even have “personal stakes” in the outcome – though it was the sexist ’60s. OTOH Uhura is sort of our “human focus” for the feelings welling up in all of us. In the ST2009 Spock-chokes-Kirk scene the camera went to her face to echo our horror. [In a recent re-watch of ST2009, some of us wondered why no one did anything about pulling Spock away from Kirk. Our conclusions: either everybody was afraid of Spock there, or the whole Bridge crew felt the same way as Spock did about Kirk!]

True to TOS, Kirk once again violates the Prime Directive! I don’t have a count but he did it numerous times in TOS.

#18, Red Shirt Walking!!! I love yr name LOL!

#50 Flake, LOL. Why didn’t Kirk think of *something* like that? “Hey, I KNOW!! put forth contrails!”

#118, Curious, Uhura’s not “in the middle of” the Bridge. She’s a couple of steps away from her station. As you point out in another post however, she’s likely just arrived back with Sulu from the shuttle, and is WEARING HER COMMS EARPIECE, implying to me that she’s been to her station already. Again, the captain’s orders thing, the Drama thing, the Human Focus thing.

#130 Phil, No, movie/TOS Kirk wouldn’t cry or cover his mouth in distress, but he WOULD make a very concerned emotional man face – deliberate for a split second over the matter while he exchanged a glance with McCoy – and generally act like he’s in a fictional drama …

Zoe Saldana and Zachary Quinto have GREAT on-screen chemistry.

And I love the look of those wetsuits, but feel sorry for the actors – bet those things were like steambaths!

Yay, great preview and I CAN’T WAIT FOR MAY 15 oh I guess I have to.

Also, Qs for Bob Orci: Are you the one in the writing team responsible for all the Trek references, or is Alex a pretty big fan of earlier Trek too? While I love thanking you for these things, I hate to attribute to you solely if credit is due to AK!

Are you in Sydney RIGHT NOW? :D Whooo bet you’re looking forward to the premiere!!

186. MJ - April 22, 2013

…and in case no one understands my post above, I do not want to get any more spoilers or info on the movie from this point on. So I will be avoiding this and all scifi internet sites for the next 3.5 weeks.

187. topas - April 22, 2013

@175

And yet you care to come here and waste time on rude comments?

@176, Doug -> I spilled beer all over my keyboard, damn you! :D the best reply of the topic here.

People really need to rewatch the original series and movies + the TNG ones… they. were. bad. cinema… extended tv-episodes, and. bad. period (as extended episodes good, but I can’t think of sitting through in the cinema)

188. Marja - April 22, 2013

Also question to posters:

What is ‘specking’?

Who/what is GATT 200? I’ve seen several references, but never understood these.

Another point about Uhura: she reports to Kirk on Spock’s comms status. Not sure how, b/c she emerges from off the Bridge, but she may have been able to find out as soon as she returned to Enterprise?

189. MJ - April 22, 2013

@175 “BobOrci, How does it feel to be part of something that is the least like Star Trek of any of the Trek’s?”

Navy, how does it feel to be a mean-spirited, troll?

190. JohnRambo - April 22, 2013

@186

lol who cares?

191. topas - April 22, 2013

@188 she emerges from within the bridge, from her own station. She returned earlier along with Sulu – notice him also at his post in swimsuit?

she get ups after being called upon, but you can’t see this becasue of this glass display.. (reminds me of cheap redress of the Ent-D from Paralells… not a good desing choice…)

@boborci

THANKS FOR THE WORK, eagerly awaiting to see the full feature here in Poland on May 31st. You’ve done a great job on reviving the franchise, which was biting it’s own tail from Voyager onwards – it was sad to experience something that was as close as ST for more than 20yrs to drown in front of your eyes…

192. MJ - April 22, 2013

@190. Apparently with your response, you do. ;-)

Thanks for the interest, dude.

PS: If you respond again to this post of mine, then what will that say?

193. Phil - April 22, 2013

@186. Good luck navigating spoiler-free waters…

194. NCC-73515 - April 22, 2013

boborci, why does Spock spin his arms and legs during free-fall like a cowardly human who was pushed? :p

195. Barking Alien - April 22, 2013

OK. That was actually good. Not just good film making…good Star Trek. I’m impressed.

196. Trekbilly - April 22, 2013

Bob O, this film looks fantastic!! What a great scene here!

197. boborci - April 22, 2013

191. Thanks, Topas!

Really like hope you like this one.

198. boborci - April 22, 2013

179. I have said many times before and I will say it again:

This movie is going to melt your face and make your eyeballs bleed.

199. MJ - April 22, 2013

@197.

Bob, are you in Sydney? And with the Ender’s Game trailer be shown at the Sydney premiere?

200. Yanks - April 22, 2013

@ 52. martin – April 22, 2013
Star Trek 2009 – a shuttle transporter can transport two people onto a ship at warp light-hours or days away. The starship transporter can transport between a ship in the sensor dampening rings of Saturn to a ship in Earth orbit.

Star Trek 2013 – the starship transporter on a stationary starship cannot transport someone out of a volcano over less than a hundred miles without being line of sight.
======================================================

True, just another in a long line of trek snafoos. Hopefully they give a reason here. You’d think they could keep it straight through 3 movies.

201. boborci - April 22, 2013

175. I suppose technically you are right in terms of it’s scale. In every other respect, I don’t agree.

So it feels great!

202. Andrew - April 22, 2013

People really do view old incarnations of Trek with rose coloured glasses. It’s so odd to read criticisms of these news movies for having things (cussing, bridge window, fraternizing officers, people standing on the bridge being emotional, etc) that are all prevalent across previous incarnations. There is just nothing radical or unbecoming of Trek in anything we’re seeing now.

203. MJ - April 22, 2013

@200. “Ouch” for poor Navy. A great “back-at-you”, Bob. :-)

I agree 100%

204. Check the Circuit - April 22, 2013

Feels like a classic Trek episode! Shades of TWOK, Immunity Syndrome. A Prime Directive debate.

So….based on Prime Kirk’s past behavior, any question what he’ll choose to do in this situation?

(Nice bit of acting there from Zoe Saldana. She’s an officer staying cool under pressure but the despair/anxiety/fear/love is JUST peeking through the facade.)

205. Anthony Pascale - April 22, 2013

Guys I shouldn’t need to remind you to keep it civil. That goes when talking to each other and to any special guests who drop by.

206. MJ - April 22, 2013

@202. Yes. Wasn’t it ridiculous when folks started complaining about Kirk’s SOB line in STID, when Shat-Kirk said Bastard and Dumbass in TOS Trek movies. People seem to forget that.

207. boborci - April 22, 2013

166. Basement Blogger

In one of my favorite New York times best selling Trek novels, it is revealed that ini the early 20th century, before Earth knew of aliens or the federation, the Vulcans saved it from annihilation by diverting an incoming asteroid. Their justification was that it did not interfere with the natural CULTURAL development of humanity,

208. boborci - April 22, 2013

162 because they are improvising a solution by using tech not designed for this that requires precise reading from within the volcano and precise adjustments one those reading are made that are not possible remotely because the tech was not made for it. The Enterprise does not have standard issue Volcano stoppers.

209. Unwanted - April 22, 2013

Hey Bob, glad to hear Ender’s Game trailer will be attached to STID.

@188 Gatt2000 is a character being played by an actor named Joseph Gatt (one of the Frost Giants in Thor) who will apparently be a member of Harrison’s crew, and possibly cybernetically enhanced or an android. Anthony mentions him inthe article about the Cinemacon footage, and other places.

210. Yanks - April 22, 2013

@ 132. boborci – April 22, 2013
130. I would argue that, as seen in some great sci-fi novels, any culture capable of deep space mission like a five year mission or more would logically have to reconsider out current notions of fraternization.
========================================================

I had no problem with the relationship in ST09 because they were not in the same chain of command. But 130 is correct, fraternization ALWAYS leads to problems. As a military guy, I hope to see this relationship broken of. The needs of the many out-way the needs of the one or two.

Can’t wait to see this. It looks to outdo ST09 at the box office.

Thanks

211. boborci - April 22, 2013

201 correction: its

212. NCC-73515 - April 22, 2013

Volcano stoppers won’t be installed before Tuesday! XD

213. Aurore - April 22, 2013

“(Nice bit of acting there from Zoe Saldana. She’s an officer staying cool under pressure but the despair/anxiety/fear/love is JUST peeking through the facade.)”
_________

Absolutely.

I also loved the way Kirk looked at her while addressing her…and McCoy’s face as she ran back to her station…amazing moment.

214. marty - April 22, 2013

@boborci

you should hire me as a story/canon consultant on star trek xiii.. i know you make these movies for everyone and not just trek fans, but giving us trekkies/trekkers some trek-candy like making the previous countdown comic canon with a flashback with data/b4 or other former trek stars as their old character would be amazing.

215. MJ - April 22, 2013

BTW, Oblivion was a pleasant surprise. Best mind-bender hard scifi type movie since Moon and District 9. Better than Prometheus by a long shot.

216. Tim Gogirenko - April 22, 2013

@103 – the Original series was over 40 years ago. Things change. Get over it.

217. Yanks - April 22, 2013

I’m really tired of some of my posts being there and then disappearing.

218. michael K - April 22, 2013

@105
Officially excited. But why do need to wait until july 07th?

219. Navy - April 22, 2013

@BobOrci

First, I want to say thank you for answering my question. That was a highly impressive evasion, well played sir.

I am so happy to see new Trek, however I believe the direction that has been selected will not have the staying power of old Trek. I’ve seen ST09 about ten times and I haven’t watched it since 2010. I’ve watched STV since then, arguably the worst trek movie.

To the rest of you, there is this wonderful thing called the freedom of speach. I am free to disagree with Bob Orci’s work publicly just as you are free to call me a troll. Just remember your opinion, is as worthless as mine to new trek producers.

220. Tim Gogirenko - April 22, 2013

@216 – happens all the time. Mods are ultra-sensitive here.

221. MJ - April 22, 2013

@215. It’s probably the fault of those damn Confederates again.

222. Navy - April 22, 2013

@BobOrci

In regard to the transporters not working correctly around the volcano. I don’t know what to say other than “Lazy”.

We’ve seen the crew beamed back from explosions, through solid rock and steel and you expect us to believe that an ash cloud prevented a transporter lock?

223. MJ - April 22, 2013

@217.

Dude, you come across like someone who has posted here before? Did you use to post under a different name? Because, man, you sure sound familiar. :-)

224. GeorgiaCarolina - April 22, 2013

I really wish people would grow up and stop acting like petulant brats with rude comments directed at this movie and BobOrci. If it is that bad, stay home and don’t look at this website.

From the looks of it, this looks to be a great movie. It seems some people want Star Trek to stay stagnant, old and live in some sort of rose colored version of the past. They will not be happy unless there are cardboard sets from the 60’s and actors approaching their 90’s reprising their roles.

I am glad that Star Trek is living long and prospering into the 21st century thanks to BobOrci, JJ Abrams and everyone. Thanks for what you are doing and please disregard some of the nitpicking and sophomoric comments you see in the discussion portion of this website. The majority of us are excited and anxious to see STID.

225. rogerachong - April 22, 2013

This is just a small piece from the 9 minute prologue that I saw since last December. Still looks just as nice though.

226. Tim Gogirenko - April 22, 2013

@ 224 – Here here, well said

227. MJ - April 22, 2013

@222

“Transporter operations have been disrupted or prevented by dense metals (TNG: “Contagion”), solar flares (TNG: “Symbiosis”), and other forms of radiation, including electromagnetic (TNG: “The Enemy”; TNG: “Power Play”) and nucleonic (TNG: “Schisms”), and affected by ion storms (TOS: “Mirror, Mirror”).”

W H O O P S ! ! !

LOL

228. Unwanted - April 22, 2013

@226. Don’t forget the TNG episode where Data had to take a shuttle down to a planet because it was permeated by a type of radiation that completely blocked transporters, and was incredibly fatal. Data had to land because there were somehow humans living on the planet in violation of the Federation’s Treaty with the Sheliac.

@219. I utterly disagree, I have watched the 2009 film 6 times in the last 2 months, and I have completely lost track of how many times I have seen it total.

I also recently bought the TOS movie Bluray set, and watched all of them except STV, which I havent watched since 2002.

229. Unwanted - April 22, 2013

Dangit, numbers keep changing,

230. Legate Damar - April 22, 2013

I have a feeling that Kirk is once again going to break the prime directive, and is probably once again going to get away with it (thou probably not as easily this time). If the original Kirk, who actually worked his way up through the ranks couldn’t follow rules, then I don’t see how Starfleet can expect him to follow the rules when they promote him straight from cadet to captain. When he does, inevitably, break Starfleet’s most important law, then the fault will not be his, it will be the fault of the idiots who promoted a kid straight out of the academy to captain of the Federation’s flagship. Seriously, couldn’t JJ have just made Kirk first officer, and then kept Pike on as captain? Even in the original version, I always liked Pike better than Kirk anyway.

231. DJT - April 22, 2013

#25. Flake

“OMG my wonderful Spock has been attacked by flying pizza!
OMG! Spocks brain is gone!!!! WTFFF!!!”

LOL. Exactly!

#28. KHAAAN, the weasel

“I really start hearing “Spock” when I hear Zachary Quinto’s voice. Back when Trek ’09 came out, I sorta couldn’t help but imagine what Quinto’s lines would’ve sounded like if Nimoy had delivered them.”

I am not convinced by Quinto’s delivery as Spock. He lacks Nimoy’s gravitas. Which is odd, because in the movie Margin Call, Quinto’s character feels EXACTLY like Spock, even though he sounds like Quinto. I think it’s because Quinto doesn’t rush through his dialogue there. His innate Spockness is allowed to shine.

#100. Underhill

“Something bothers me about Quinto’s Spock. I think it’s that he seems to race through his lines. He did it in ST09, and here he is again spouting off his logic like canned lines. I like the content of his lines, I just wish he appeared more thoughtful when he speaks.”

Ding, Ding.

#101. Coastie
“why do I feel like I’m watching Galaxy Quest with this clip?”

I’m still waiting for a Thermian to walk in and say “and it *exploded* “.

#163. Vultan
“Oh yeah, and send the foreign guy down to do the dirty work when a probe would suffice. How typical. Get a lawyer, Spock!”

ROTGLOL

232. Phil - April 22, 2013

@222. Actually, considering the very fine particulate matter that comes out of volcanos, not to mention the heat energy inherent with volcanic activity, suggesting that a volcano is not the most ideal area for transporter operations is plausible. The whole thing is a stretch to begin with, but transporter operations is probably the least problematic situation to deal with…

233. Curious Cadet - April 22, 2013

@131. Rebecca74,
“she’s supposed to fall into that tired “strong, stoic black woman” trope that’s thrust upon black women all the time in the media. … You’re looking at Uhura like she’s a white woman, and she’s not. Those stereotypes you’re talking about only apply to white women in the media.”

With all due respect to your position, you have an axe to grind that has nothing to do with me. I’m not looking at Uhura as anything other than a human being, and I won’t be pulled into this straw man argument.

My position here is very clear, I wish the opening 10 minutes of the movie didn’t introduce the only principle female on the crew as someone who breaks down under pressure depicted with traditional 1950s female stereotypes. I also hate that we’ve only seen Alice Eve screaming, in her underwear, and now chiding Kirk for trying to get into her pants. This movie has so far not done women any favors in its marketing.

“She still has her earpiece in, doesn’t she? She TWO steps away from her station.”

That’s not the point. She is away from her station. Perhaps everything Uhura is responsible for is channeled though her earpiece at any location throughout the ship, maybe she doesn’t even need to have a station on the bridge. We don’t know that. But who knows, maybe Spock’s signal breaks up because she wasn’t monitoring the equipment and making adjustments. We don’t know. But without explanation of fictional technology, audiences relate what they see to their own experiences and it sure looks like Uhura is not focused on her job when she should be, and otherwise indulging her emotions publicly.

What I would have preferred to see is a dedicated bridge officer at her station choking down her personal feelings the way George Kirk did as he piloted the Kelvin away from the shuttles, firing weapons and setting a collision course for the Narada. He was breaking down, tears in his eyes, and having a personal conversation with his wife, knowing he was about to die, but he was still focused on his post. For me it would have been so much more powerful had we seen Uhura sitting at her station, turning away from the room to mask her tears, and throwing herself into her job knowing Spock is right and may have to die. So not only does she get to break down and show us her humanity, but she stays at her post and focuses on the job at hand the way a trained professional would.

In any event, I’ve seen enough to know Uhura is depicted in a much less stereotypical light later in the movie and I have high hopes that the sexist stereotypes we have been treated to in the trailers will not persist throughout the entire film.

234. NicNicIsASlumHo - April 22, 2013

@83 – Just couldn’t resist tossing out the race card could ya?

235. boborci - April 22, 2013

actually it’s the shifting magnetic field pf and extinction soze super Volcano. transpotrer still works, as they say. u just want line of sight.

236. MelyBelle44 - April 22, 2013

@MrOrci

My question: how can you stand being on this site?

I can barely tolerate this site for more than 5 minutes at a time, due to the loud minority of jerks and trolls that hang around. And, this is just an enjoyment of mine.

I cannot imagine putting your heart and soul into a project for years and actually wanting to come here and see some of these pathetic comments.

Hat tip to you sir.

237. MJ - April 22, 2013

@231. That’s all you could come up with?

You pick basically the only handful of negative posts out of nearly 250 posts and piece them together so that we are suppose to infer some kind of trend here?

If this is suppose to impress upon us that this is some kind of group conclusion, then it is not working, my friend.

This is like after finishing a bow of popcorn, and then asking the un-popped kernels what good popcorn should taste like?

GOOFLLLDLDLLOL (I don’t know what this means, but I bet you do)

238. Curious Cadet - April 22, 2013

@236. MelyBelle44,
“I cannot imagine putting your heart and soul into a project for years and actually wanting to come here and see some of these pathetic comments.”

Oh please, this is like blowing fairy dust up his butt compared to working as a writer in Hollywood.

239. Vultan - April 22, 2013

Transporter interference or not, why not just send the magic volcano stopping do-hicky Spock is carrying down on a probe instead? Then you wouldn’t have to needlessly risk the life of a valuable crew member—of an endangered species, mind you!

No wonder Kirk gets in trouble with command. Would you even let this dumbbell change a tire unsupervised?

240. MelyBelle44 - April 22, 2013

To some of you crazies talking about how Uhura isn’t being professional:

My first gut instinct was how impressed I was with Uhura for her control. Let’s be real here. In a realistic situation, I doubt many women would be that calm. I know that I for sure would be screaming my head off at Spock and sobbing. The fact that she is able to keep an ounce of decorum is beyond impressive to me. This Trek is real, it’s gritty.

The fact that Uhura was able to stay calm, knowing that that was what Spock needed in that moment…he didn’t need to hear her distressed, that shows me what a great connection they have and how professional she truly is.

In the last movie, Spock flips out (and I loved it) because Kirk talked smack about his mother. He actually showed more emotion than Uhura does in this scene. So, Spock nearly killing someone out of anger and grief is fine, but for Uhura to be upset that someone she deeply loves is going to die….nope can’t show any emotion on that Lt. Uhura. Sorry.

Nutty people.

241. MJ - April 22, 2013

MelyBelle44,

I agree completely. STID is about ready to come out, and you have people insulting Bob here. Not cool at all. This handful of extremely negative people are without honor and are bereft of the common decency that Bob has earned a right to be treated with here.

242. Dennis Bailey - April 22, 2013

Well yeah, about a thousand times sooner than I’d let #239 write a movie script. LOL

243. MJ - April 22, 2013

“Transporter interference or not, why not just send the magic volcano stopping do-hicky Spock is carrying down on a probe instead? Then you wouldn’t have to needlessly risk the life of a valuable crew member—of an endangered species, mind you!.”

This is a strawman type of argument. I could just easily say, why not make most the Enterprise run on automation, especially the engine room. etc. etc. etc. End of STII — why couldn’t a simple 23rd century robot fix the mains instead of having Spock die…etc..etc..etc.

244. Curious Cadet - April 22, 2013

@240. MelyBelle44,
“So, Spock nearly killing someone out of anger and grief is fine, but for Uhura to be upset that someone she deeply loves is going to die….nope can’t show any emotion on that Lt. Uhura. Sorry.”

Another straw man argument. Nobody here has argued that as far as I’m aware.

Though I appreciate your point of view, I wish you would respect others. “Nutty people” indeed.

245. Captain, USS Northstar - April 22, 2013

@198 boborci — This movie will melt our faces off and we’ll line up again and proclaim loudly: “Please sir, may we have a little more!”

This clip just confirms what the trailers and other ads have hinted at: this WILL BE one HECK of a film! Cannot wait.

As for those of you arguing about military discipline: how much military discipline was there in TOS when Kirk would hold his yeoman tightly to his side or Gary Mitchell reached around from the navigator station to hold the hand of a female crew member in “WNMHGB”?

And we’re debating about Uhura showing some emotion here? Really?

And those of you nitpicking over transporter mechanics? Really?

I have some advice — Relax. It’s a movie. Do what we’re supposed to do at movies: suspend your disbelief and get caught up in the fantasy and leave the real world behind for two hours!

It’s Star Trek! It’s Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Scotty, and all the characters we love (and some of us grew up with). It’s the continuing voyages of the Starship Enterprise and her ongoing mission!

But, most important of all: it’s a movie. It’s entertainment. Let go and be entertained.

I, for one (and many others posting here tonight), are ready to step out of this crazy world — if just for a little while — and spend some time with old friends. And we’ll LOVE EVERY MINUTE!

Thanks, Anthony for keeping us up-to-date on the latest developments and thank you, Mr. Orci for sharing your insights and joining with fans from every end of the spectrum.

In this case, the needs of the many do outweigh the needs of the few and we’re ready to once again boldly go where no one has gone before.

246. Jack - April 22, 2013

“I could just easily say, why not make most the Enterprise run on automation, especially the engine room. etc. etc. etc. ”

Yep. Yet people make these kinds of arguments here constantly.

247. Rikardus - April 22, 2013

So why cant an intersteller star ship, that can withstand re-entry and close encounters with the sun not handle a little heat from a volcano?

248. Jonboc - April 22, 2013

Hiya Bob, can’t watch the movie tomorrow, and best of luck with the premiere, but I CAN get my Trek on, here in the states, with the video game! I’m looking to forward to my stay in the 23rd century for the next several weeks. Wow…Trek is truly fun again. No question for you Bob, just a heartfelt “thank y’all” from Texas!

249. Vultan - April 22, 2013

#242

Point taken.

But hey, we all know this is just a plot contrivance to have a crewmember in danger so he can be rescued—cue the big visual wow moments and Michael G. music, etc… etc… etc…

250. ihitch10 - April 22, 2013

@boborci
My heartfelt thanks to you and the rest of the crew behind the revival of Star Trek. You clearly understand and care about what this series represents, and I am grateful that my beloved Star Trek is in good hands. An additional thanks for taking the time to engage with the fans here on TrekMovie.

@166
According to Memory Alpha, there are exceptions to the Prime Directive. Pertinent to this scene is the following: “Helping a society escape a natural disaster that is unknown to the society and where the assistance can take place without the society’s knowledge. (as seen in TOS: “The Paradise Syndrome”)”. So the crew’s actions to prevent the society from being destroyed by a vulcano that is unknown to them would be consistent with the Prime Directive.

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Prime_Directive

251. sean - April 22, 2013

The cussing thing is ridiculous.

ST3 – ‘That green-blooded son of a bitch!’
ST3 – ‘You Klingon bastards you’ve killed my son. You Klingon bastard!’
ST5 – ‘I ought to knock you on your goddam ass!’

It’s nothing new, folks. Move along.

252. sean - April 22, 2013

Oh and…

ST6 – ‘ I bet that Klingon bitch killed her father!’

253. Coastie - April 22, 2013

@240 – clearly you were never an officer in the military

254. Bob Tompkins - April 22, 2013

143- I recall watching The City on the Edge of Forever and my mother just about had a heart attack when Kirk said “Let’s get the hell out of here” at the end. That just wasn’t done back then- nevermiind that my mother swore like a sailor, it just wasn’t done on TV.
Swearing is an accepted norm today with restrictions on TV and none in the movies if they are willing to take an R rating. 1 or 2 uses of the ‘f’ word in any context except ‘mf’ is allowable in any PG13 movie.
If you aren’t used to it yet, grow up. It’s the way people talk.
Really.

255. marty - April 22, 2013

more star trek cussing.. comes from data in generations when the D saucer section is crashing, data yells “oh shit”, and first contact, when they hear that earth is under attack from the borg “to hell with our orders.

256. Jonboc - April 22, 2013

As far as this misconcieved notion of Kirk and company cussing every other word is concerned…it’s just that…a misconceived notion. But as others haves stated, examples do exist here and there in the other movies, it’s nothing new. And let’s not forget the original series. Instead of the likes of McCoy’s “what in blazes?” or Kirk’s defiant “Go to the Devil”, when addressing Kang, we actually get the H E double hockey sticks in the ending of City on the Edge of Forever when Kirk contacts the ship…”let’s get the hell out of here.” Non-gratuitous. Appropriate. Emotional. Real. Get over it.

257. Basement Blogger - April 22, 2013

@ 184

MJ, my friend, see you in May. For those of you who are mad at MJ, he and I have had many spirited debates and we also have found out that we agree on a lot of stuff. It’s like Star Trek. There are differences but eventually there is tolerance and cooperation.

258. MelyBelle44 - April 22, 2013

@252

No, I have not. But, here’s a hint. Starfleet isn’t the military! Mr. Roddenberry himself was adamant that Starfleet is not a military organization, so why would military protocol apply?

Further, we are 250 years in the future. Don’t you think there is a chance that over that course of time that even the military will have evolved when it comes to relationships?

Lieutenant Uhura is competent, intelligent, and skilled at her craft. But, she is also human. And, any human in the world, when faced with the chance of their loved one dying, is going to be emotional about it. Even just a little. The fact that she is not completely breaking down is proof to me that she is more than qualified enough to handle the situation at hand.

259. The dude - April 22, 2013

Hey guys,
So I am a huge fan of Star Trek and I am currently writing an article review for the new movie for my High School newspaper. Does anyone know if there is any possible way I could get a phone interview or an email interview with any of the directors or writers. If you have any information please contact me at dmalgren@ymail.com
Thank you so much,
The Dude.

260. sean - April 22, 2013

#125

“Why is the doorway labeled airlock?”

I imagine it’s because there’s an airlock in the back of the bridge. At least there was on the old Enterprise.

http://www.informatik.tu-cottbus.de/~tweimann/tmp/bridge-blueprints%20updated/Constitution%20Class%20Refit/USS%20Eagle%20-%20NCC-956.jpg

261. Red Dead Ryan - April 22, 2013

Well, I have no problem with Uhura’s reaction. It’s quite natural for a woman to express her emotions (especially shock and fear) more openly then men, who tend to be more stoic, especially in high-stress situations that the Enterprise found itself in.

So I am not sure what the big deal is here.

#217.

When you call yourself “Yanks”, don’t be surprised whenever this site “yanks” your posts. :-)

262. somethoughts - April 22, 2013

Hey Bob,

What was Kirk and McCoy doing before running away from the natives on Nibiru? I noticed Kirk had some scroll also, can you explain what this scroll is and what he drops when he and McCoy drops into the ocean off the cliff?

Also how did the Enterprise enter the ocean of Nibiru undetected in the first place? How did Kirk expect to get the enterprise out of the water undetected again without exposing her to the locals?

As always you rock Bob!

263. LizardGirl - April 22, 2013

@258 MelyBelle44

Thank you, logical person!

264. Valenti - April 22, 2013

@boborci
Do you happen to know a reason as to why STID has so many release dates around the world?

For instance, in my country (the ol’ Netherlands), STID will be released on the 6th of June (which is pretty late IMO). In other countries, it’s either way earlier or much later.

Just curious. :)

265. Chris Doohan - April 22, 2013

198 bob orci

I love that!

266. Chris Doohan - April 22, 2013

198 bob orci

I love that!

267. Curious Cadet - April 22, 2013

@245. Captain, USS Northstar,
“As for those of you arguing about military discipline: how much military discipline was there in TOS when Kirk would hold his yeoman tightly to his side or Gary Mitchell reached around from the navigator station to hold the hand of a female crew member in “WNMHGB”?”

For starters, what they did in the 60s is the past and we should expect a higher standard today. Al Jolsen used to perform in black face, but that doesn’t make it OK today.

However, you have a good point here, and one that makes me wonder what’s up with that. This was not really typical of what I think of Gene Rodenberry’s position on such matters. While he openly insisted Starfleet was not a military organization, he himself was a veteran and the heirarcy of the organization was clearly organized after military traditions which he took quite seriously. And he went from The Cage which was positively bereft of sexuality except on Talos IV, to these innapropriate open displays of affection in the very next pilot. I don’t believe we saw that kind of similar behavior among the crew in the subsequent series, even between that couple who were going to get married in Balance of Terror. Not only was that moment in WNMHGB out of place, it just looked awkward, like it was slapped in there at the last minute. Could it be that the change was made for NBC to address some of their notes about The Cage and ensure the second pilot would sell?

268. Gary Neumann - April 22, 2013

Bob… Buen trabajo ;)

269. Sebastian S. - April 23, 2013

Saw this at the end of the 9 minute preview (with “The Hobbit” in IMAX).

Looks great in 2D too! Look (very) forward to the rest…. ;-)

270. Basement Blogger - April 23, 2013

@ 207

Bob Orci,

Thanks for explaining that for me. Trekkers, the question I posed was “whether saving the planet by stopping the volcanic eruption constituted a violation of the Prime Directive?”

Bot answer was this when the Vulcans saved humanity from an asteroid,

“… justification was that it did not interfere with the natural CULTURAL development of humanity,”

All this reminds me of TOS “Bread and Circuses.” There is some policy that a Starfleet officer would give his life to uphold the Prime Directive. This is interesting stuff. Is the Prime Directive designed to stop something like the Spanish conquest of the Incas or a protest against American-Soviet interference in the third world or maybe both?

271. Wes - April 23, 2013

So…I’m guessing everyone that’s staying up late tonight in anticipation of spoilers coming out should probably just go to bed, eh? Or prepare for a very long night. :-P

272. Basement Blogger - April 23, 2013

Bob Orci,

While you’re around here, did you see this story of an alleged alien skeleton?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/16/tiny-chile-alien-backgrou_n_3071767.html

273. Pointlessly Pointed - April 23, 2013

What I would have preferred to see is a dedicated bridge officer at her station choking down her personal feelings the way George Kirk did as he piloted the Kelvin away from the shuttles, firing weapons and setting a collision course for the Narada. He was breaking down, tears in his eyes, and having a personal conversation with his wife, knowing he was about to die, but he was still focused on his post. For me it would have been so much more powerful had we seen Uhura sitting at her station, turning away from the room to mask her tears, and throwing herself into her job knowing Spock is right and may have to die. So not only does she get to break down and show us her humanity, but she stays at her post and focuses on the job at hand the way a trained professional would.

yeah basically all George had to do was sit and wait for impact after he checked some instruments and the like. waasn’t making a log entry to shoot into space I agree about your last but it wasn’t in the script :)

274. Hakka - April 23, 2013

#14
Come on, Paramount – – why is the USA last in line to see this movie. Can. Not. Wait!

So not. I, as Italian, will have to wait until June 13. So don’t complain too much. :)

275. cloudynow - April 23, 2013

Yep. June 7 here in Turkey.

276. cd - April 23, 2013

Is the new Star Wars going to have lens flares too?
>:>{

277. Pointlessly Pointed - April 23, 2013

Well, I have no problem with Uhura’s reaction. It’s quite natural for a woman to express her emotions (especially shock and fear) more openly then men, who tend to be more stoic, especially in high-stress situations that the Enterprise found itself in.

kirk looked emotional too but he wasn’t crying he looked a little paniced

278. Hakka - April 23, 2013

#15
No surprise here. We’ve got examples in the previous movie that, apparently, Uhura (as the only female character we women can relate with, unless we take into consideration blondie-in-bikini Carol or the poor reddie-in-bra Gaila) is unable to be professional (stopping Spock – he might have saved his mother if not for her; Uhura leaving her station in emergency situation to go and kiss Spock; leaving the bridge (already maimed missing acting Captain and First Officer) to go and say goodbye to Spock beaming on Narada)
Poor Uhura.

#73 – “McCoy had no business being on Niburu with Kirk”

You’re right. But we’ll have to see then what Uhura (who is specialized in languages and communications, as far as we know), has to do on the shuttle that deposits Spock into the Vulcano. Nor why she’ll be the one on the Millennium-Falcon-like. (Hope it’s because of her Klingon-language knowledge).
I suppose every officer gets some field training but there’s department and department. I don’t expect a communications officer to got badass with a phaser in a planetside mission that’s already expected to turn into a fight as I would never expect a security officer to play ambassador with an alien. That’s it. And has nothing to do with Uhura specifically but with Bones as well.
Pike hasn’t asked Bones to join the happy engineer-Kirk-Sulu party to stop the drilling device, because that would’ve been definitely out of place. Uhura, as far as I can tell for now, is out of place both on the Klingon planet and on that shuttle that lands Spock into the vulcano. Let’s see.

# 130
Amen.

#146 – “Uhura gets emotional because her boyfriend and team mate may die. that is a female behavior that has substance.”

Why don’t we see it from men as well, then? Are men rocks with no feelings? And here’s hints of sexism! That’s what I hate in movies for general audiences: men always strong and stoic with the women the only ones expressing some feelings. We’ll see Bones cry in front of a monitor (for whom? we’re left to wonder, for now), but Spock’s the team mate of everyone else on the bridge, not Uhura’s only. Let’s stop with the cliché that women “always gets tense and weepy over their husbands/boyfriends/lovers that is just how women are in nature”. As woman, I reject it: we’re a whole world, as gender, you know, and we’re not all like that!
Gee, in tv shows this is better portrayed! I’m watching Miami Vice (I mean, MIAMI VICE, 80es!!!) and men and women are all “damisel in distress” at some point and everyone of the 7 main characters has, sooner or later, their moment of failing and crying, even playboy Sonny, so what we’re talking here? I hoped that, in 2013, we could get some equal treatment about women or men when feelings are involved.

# 233
Completely agree.

279. Red Dead Ryan - April 23, 2013

Geez, I just realized something. Benedict Cumberbatch is playing John Harrison. But “John Harrison” is just a pseudonym. His real identity is Jonas Khansson, a Swedish terrorist with “superior” skills at meatball making and gets revenge on the Federation by blaring out ABBA songs 24/7 so loud it brings down starships from space, and drives James Kirk over the edge.

:-)

280. Mark - April 23, 2013

@278.Hakka-

Very well said. Agree 100%

281. Lostrod - April 23, 2013

Well, folks in Austin apparently don’t have to wait very long …

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/62082

282. ironhyde - April 23, 2013

I don’t like this clip. The dialogue is cliched, they swap abruptly between intelligent language and street lingo which is confusing, and the cutting is really frenzied. The clips for star trek 09 were exciting and really got my blood flowing, but this first clip for Into Darkness… i recognize it from the IMAX 3D preview.. Not a fan. Looking forward to the next clip, and seeing the movie. I hope it’s not all like this.

283. FCTIGER - April 23, 2013

@Boborci

My only question is why do you guys bother when you have to please the Trek nerds moaning about CURSING in a Trek film, or my god, Uhura showing emotions over her boyfriend? No matter WHAT you do you will never please half of these people. Someone will always find reasons to complain about the uniforms, how Spock does the neck pinch, size of the ships, you shouldnt be able to see that many stars from Romulus, SOMETHING!!! Cursing and emotions, these are signs of people with first world problems. Get a grip people, its a M-O-V-I-E!!!!!!!!!!

Oh I have another question, who the hell is John Harrison if hes not just some guy named John Harrison? You said ANY questions!

284. MelyBelle44 - April 23, 2013

@278

I think we’ll just have to agree to disagree on this issue then.

You think it is cliche and stereotypical; I think it is real. I feel like they are portraying a situation the way it would happen in real life. Realistically, it would not be unheard of for a person to be frozen in terror/panic for a loved one for a mere 75 seconds. Realistically, it would not be unheard of for someone to be so emotional that they need a moment to gather themselves.

As a female, I don’t feel demeaned by seeing a female on screen getting emotional over a loved one. But, beyond that, I don’t think it was portrayed as a female thing. I think it is indicative of a very human element that I think any of us would experience if the love of our life or children or parents were in mortal danger. I am pretty sure we would all need a moment to gather. And, if you are saying that if you were in her position, that you would perform or react better than she did, well, I won’t say it’s a lie. But, it will be implied.

285. Trekman_dave - April 23, 2013

Wow we have another Star Trek coming out – we see a clip out of context to the movie and we as a group are tearing it apart.

I for one am more happy to have a new Star Trek coming out in a week (UK) the final part to a prequel comic and a computer game.

This is a great time to be part of Trek with wonderful possibilities for the future.

286. Jim Nightshade - April 23, 2013

Bob knows with trek fans damned if u do damned if u dont…so bob,jj,bad robot make the movie for fans and movie goers fine with me….i want trek to survive n thrive if bob n jj n company cant do it no one can…maybe the crewgal sittin down n standing up needs to use the restroom but its too intense to leave….i understand the line the needs of the many n prime directive conversations…concepts non trek fans need…not so sure bout the shut up spock tribute…when superman returns came out i was kinda ticked that whole lines of dialogue were lifted from the original n far superior reeves movie..i thought yah those were great n funny lines back then why cant u think up new and funny lines for this movie….not sure i feel the same but i hope there are not too many tribute lines….knowing u guys im sure there isnt….i cant wait n neither can my niece n her army hubby…remmber she hated boring trek til she saw your trek , and she couldnt go to the bathroom whole movie cuz she didnt want to miss anything..ive been emailing her every trailer n clip they cant wait….last movie they were here in wash. state but they are in texas now….we miss em….thanks for all your hard work bob…

287. Son of Jello - April 23, 2013

MJ

3.5 weeks…..now who will watch the watchers? :)

288. Son of Jello - April 23, 2013

There is nothing better than going to work and working with people who know there jobs and act professionaly while doing it. When you have a bridge crew trying to come up with an idea on how to save somones life. And the final desicion is probubly going to get them fired or into a load of trouble. The last thing you need is to turn around and see someone worrying about their boyfriend.

Not only that you also have to tell this person to go to their station and do their job. Being female and having a job with responsibilities is quite normal. But having a job and acting like a girl is not contributing to the solution.

289. Jim Nightshade - April 23, 2013

Heres a bit of Trek Trivia I didnt know from yesterdays calender date in this years trek daily desk calender….

Widely reported that Kirk and Uhura had the First Interracial Kiss on television in 1968 the first actual inter-racial kiss was on I Spy back in 1966…..

Sooo Bill Jello pudding pop Cosby beat Kirk n Uhura by a couple of years….DAMN…. all this time I kept hearing it was Star Trek….sigh

290. Jemini - April 23, 2013

118. Curious Cadet
“However, I do know that Uhura left her post unattended more than once to comfort Spock, and initiated at least one inappropriate public display of affection, while away from her post at a time she should have presumably been most focused on her job. This is not only unprofessional behavior, but also stereotypical.”

so it’s 2013 and we’re still talking about this? seriously?
man, I suggest you to read the script and the novelization if you haven’t done it yet
here’s the link: http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Star-Trek.html

turbolift scene: that’s the one where Spock also abandoned his post? (he did that twice in the movie btw and you know he was the captain) also the one where he reciprocated her affections?

transport pad scene:
number one: Uhura was doing her job there as she was giving a device to Spock that served the purpose to better translate some romulan words, a device that she had modified herself.
Since in the actual scene they catch on the S/U part when they’re already kissing rather than showing the whole interaction from the start (which is brilliant IMO and it works for that reason), you don’t see the moment where Uhura gives the device to Spock but a close look at some screencaps can make you see that she’s holding that thing in her hands the whole time.

number two (that to me it’s the funniest thing to point up in these “Uhura initiated inappropriate PDA” arguments) is that SPOCK WAS THE ONE THAT INITIATED THAT KISS not her.

script:

Spock turns to Uhura, who hands him a small TRANSLATOR DEVICE:

UHURA
We’ll be monitoring your frequency…

Uhura gives the translator to Spock — AND HE KISSES UHURA.

novelization that is based on early drafts of the script (Orci can correct me here, I’m not sure but I guess that the novel has to take huge inspiration by the scripts):

Having already equipped Kirk, Uhura was in the process of passing a special translator to Spock.
“This goes in place on your uniform, in the chest area. Far enough from your mouth to enjoy some protection, close enough to pick up speech and transmit replies.”
“I am aware of the instrument’s optimal location,” Spock replied quietly.
“Yes—yes, of course you are.” She eased it into place. “We don’t have a full understanding of Romulan syntax—some of their words and names are hard to pronounce—but I’ve modified these translators to allow you to speak and to be understood conversationally.”
“Thank you, Nyota.”
Standing nearby, Kirk reacted sharply. Nyota? That was her first name? But how did Spock…?
As he looked on, she proceeded to attach the tiny translator unit to the science officer’s uniform.
Then he bent forward—to whisper something over the buzz of conversation in the transporter staging area, no doubt.
There was no doubt when he kissed her—of that much a startled Kirk was completely certain.

so….. were you saying?
perhaps you should question Spock’s behavior too instead of pointing fingers at her.
But to me there is nothing to question here. Star trek had always showed romantic themes, always had its melodramatic (and sometimes ridiculous moments). Kirk is a good example of someone who constantly went against regulations (if such thing exists).
In the Abrams’ movie all the characters have their moments. McCoy acted unprofessional when he brought Kirk with him aboard the enterprise all the whole the latter had been suspended. He also acted unprofessional when he told the acting captain that he was “out of his vulcan mind”. You think I care about it? You’re the one nitpicking about supposed unprofessional behaviors by the character of Uhura and consequently this generates a discussion where the flaws of the other characters are pointed up because your logic is very double standard.
The point is that if we were to apply the logic you’re using for Uhura on every part of the move and everything character the discussion will never end!

“I don’t hate this Uhura. I hate that Abrams is not seemingly treating the character with more respect.”

really? I think he is, along with the writers, had threated her character with far more respect than the writers of the tos movies. Here she’s professional and competent (compared to a Uhura who had to use a dictionary to understand klingon, excuse me), she has got a first name (whoa it just took 40 years!) and she loves someone without anyone messing up with her mind (compared to when she in her 50s showed romantic feelings for Scotty out of the blue because Sybok had made her mentally compromised)
here her contribution to the plot is being able to detect and translate a message from within Klingon territory indicating that a fleet of 47 Klingon vessels around the Klingon prison planet were engaged and destroyed by an unknown Romulan ship (key in the movie) rather than… let me think about it… fandance in the nude to distract the guards on Nimbus III?

You dislike this Uhura and it’s totally fine but trying to disguise it as fake feminism makes the argument ridiculous.

291. Theatre Historian - April 23, 2013

There are a few reviews begining to pop up online now, luckily they seem to be keeping the big spoiler alerts at bay.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/23/star-trek-into-darkness-igns-review?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ign%2Farticles+%28IGN+All+Articles%29

292. ObsessiveStarTrekFan - April 23, 2013

My attempt at breaking down the clip, with emphasis on Uhura’s interactions and reactions:

Uhura is at her station when Kirk enters the bridge.

Uhura leaves her station when Kirk calls to her. Probable reason: so she has line of sight to Kirk for clearer communication with him as Kirk is at navigation console rather than captain’s chair and she is otherwise blocked from his sight by tactical screens.

Kirk seeks a report from Uhura. Uhura provides it. Kirk acknowledges report with a look.

Uhura remains where she is, awaiting further orders.

Kirk, Scotty and Chekov discuss possible rescue methods. Spock points out that rescuing him will reveal Enterprise to indigenous population.

Uhura reacts to beginning of Spock’s speech. (shakes head)

Kirk & McCoy react and argue with Spock.

Comms break up and Uhura reacts when she realises that Spock is going to die (intake of breath and hand to mouth).

Kirk addresses Uhura: “try to get him back on line”.

Uhura scrambles for her station to do that. Why wasn’t she already there? See probable reason in paragraph 3.

293. PaulB - April 23, 2013

The only problem with this scene is the terribly crammed-in use of Spock’s “the needs of the many” line. Feels completely out of place.

This scene delivers a lot of explanation very quickly–can’t use transporters because of magnetic fields, can’t hold altitude above the volcano for long, etc.–so at least the writers are trying to address those issues, even if most fans are still screaming, “WHY THE HELL IS THE SHIP UNDERWATER WHEN THEY COULD HAVE STAYED HIDDEN IN SPACE?”

Oops, sorry I cussed. I know offends some of you. ;)

Overall, I like this clip. It’s exciting!

294. Son of Jello - April 23, 2013

Here is another review. No big spoilers.
http://www.3news.co.nz/Star-Trek-Into-Darkness-review/tabid/418/articleID/295304/Default.aspx

295. Jonboc - April 23, 2013

#73 “McCoy had no business being on Niburu with Kirk”

Maybe not in a 21st century real-world situation, but thankfully, this is a movie. Luckily, for the
audience, McCoy was always tagging along in 23rd century TOS…and since this movie is based on TOS…well, I wouldn’t want it any other way!

296. Son of Jello - April 23, 2013

Review extract from IGN review

“with Zoe Saldana’s Uhura demoted to whining comic-relief.”

http://au.ign.com/articles/2013/04/23/star-trek-into-darkness-igns-review?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ign%2Farticles+%28IGN+All+Articles%29

297. Lore (Datas Angry Brother( recently reassembled now living in Scarsdale) - April 23, 2013

@116 in Star Trek III Dr. McCoy refers to Spock as a “Green Blooded Son of a Bitch” McCoy did curse. He was already a really moody dude in the tv series but in the films they amped it up. In the 60’s they could not curse on television. Star Trek had cursing in it before the 09 movie. Dude you really need to crawl back under your rock for that question.

@BobOrci

If you are on Bob I have a question. Did Neros incursion and the destruction of Vulcan have an impact on Starfleet? Does it set the tone for what we see in the film? Obviously Vulcan being wiped out has an impact on the balance of power in that reality.

In the prime universe including the original series and into the Next Gen era, Vulcans were a major power in the Federation. Now that you remove that equation, doesn’t it embolden the Klingons and other species? How did Neros incursion impact the Romulan Empire? A Romulan from another time period destroyed Vulcan. There had to be some fallout. By the way if we could get one Next Gen cameo in a future movie, I lobby for Michael Dorn as Col. Worf (the grandpa of Next Gen Worf) Okay I need to stop. You can tell I now need human contact (female) Thanks.

298. Son of Jello - April 23, 2013

YAY Australias population just hit 23 million.

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/dc057c1016e548b4ca256c470025ff88/1647509ef7e25faaca2568a900154b63!OpenDocument

299. MelyBelle44 - April 23, 2013

@293

See, this is why there is diff’rent strokes for diff’rent folks.

For me, I actually like the way the line is done. It is such an iconic line that there is a danger of making its use in the movie some overly magnanimous bit of dialogue. In this instance, they are able to use a historic piece of Trek lore, use it in a relevant situation, but still keep the flow of the interaction going, without some grand pause to reflect on Spock’s wisdom. (I love Spock to pieces, I am just saying)

@296

I know that was not a spoiler persay, but can you refrain from using excerpts from the reviews? “Karl Urban delivered a great performance as Bones” is fine. “Karl Urban was relegated to fourth string, with nothing but one-liners” would be pushing it, as it lets us know how certain characters are being used in the movie, even if it does not give away the plot.

300. Yanks - April 23, 2013

OK, I posted this last nght but it’s gone so I’ll try again ;-)

@ MJ: ‘Yanks’ is the only name I’ve used posting anywhere since 2006. I don’t change between sites.

@ Red Dead Ryan: Not sure what’s happening. My earlier post about Spock & Uhura was there, then gone, now it’s back. I could see my post last last night to MJ but now it’s gone.

Gremlins I guess ;-)

301. Newdivide1701 - April 23, 2013

“And people see UFO’s all the time, damnit!!”

302. Bill Murray - April 23, 2013

Very cool the way Bones and Kirk’s wet suits in this scene echo the Enterprise uniforms.

303. thalos - April 23, 2013

After reading some spoilers i can say that most of us were right from the beggining.

304. Wes - April 23, 2013

Apparently JJ asked people at the Sydney premiere not to reveal spoilers…and it appears they’re actually listening.

Some magical powers that man has, or something.

305. Jeffery Wright - April 23, 2013

So the Enterprise can bear the hard radiation exposure to open space in very close proximity to stars and other radiation sources… but not the heat of molten rock?

This would make the Enterprise easily vulnerable to weapons of super-heated plasma streams, a real design flaw.

Pine channels Shatner well.

I am interested to see how preserving a pre-warp civilization from a natural disaster event is in compliance with the Prime Directive. I would think that’s a violation at first glance.

I don’t know about you, but I prefer my Leo McCoys good & curmudgeonly, Urban seems to have a good grasp of this.

High budget fan-flick? Perhaps, but I still can’t wait to see it.

306. Hugh Hoyland - April 23, 2013

Saw this at the Hobbit in the 9 minute preview, great stuff.

As far as the spoiler stuff, for me it doesnt matter, I will be there opening day. As I suspect everyone else will to. :]

307. Lore (Datas Angry Brother( recently reassembled now living in Scarsdale) - April 23, 2013

If you have watched enough Star Trek (Next Gen) alternative uniforms have always reflected the color of the officers uniform in some way. I can’t remember specifics. I can say this for this new trek, they honor trek lore down to the most minute details. I think that is cool. Of course its nothing like the original universe and it should not be but there are nods big and small everywhere. I appreciate that.

308. Curious Cadet - April 23, 2013

@290 Jemini,
“You dislike this Uhura and it’s totally fine but trying to disguise it as fake feminism makes the argument ridiculous.”

While clearly impassioned, you are not going to draw me into your straw man arguments.

I will say that novelizations, and scripted dialogue not shot or included in the final edit do not canon make. What an audience sees on screen is likely all most will ever see — and that’s all they have to go on, regardless of original intent.

And I have said this repeatedly, sins of the father are not an acceptable defense for anything. Who cares what previous depictions of characters did? This is about what Abrams is depicting now, unencumbered by canon nor anything that has come before.

You attack my position on Uhura in this particular instance as though I am not equally disappointed in Abrams’ depiction of other characters (which is irrelevant by the way). If that’s true you either haven’t read what I’ve been writing, or you don’t care. Either way, that renders your arguments moot.

309. The Sinfonian - April 23, 2013

Well, this interview of JJ in Australia is informative on this ongoing Nu-yota nUhura debate:

http://www.news.com.au/technology/sci-tech/jj-abrams-admits-star-trek-into-darkness-a-bit-sexist/story-fn5fsgyc-1226627239282

310. Markus - April 23, 2013

@303: spoilers? where?

311. TrekMadeMeWonder - April 23, 2013

Have’nt read them all but, Would’nt line of sight transporting be best achieved by a StarShip in ORBIT!!!!!!!!!

This Kirk and crew aint as sharp as the last crew.

312. Curious Cadet - April 23, 2013

@278 Hakka,
“Pike hasn’t asked Bones to join the happy engineer-Kirk-Sulu party to stop the drilling device, because that would’ve been definitely out of place. Uhura, as far as I can tell for now, is out of place both on the Klingon planet and on that shuttle that lands Spock into the vulcano. Let’s see.”

To be fair, Pike asked for volunteers. Had McCoy engaged in some therapeutic Krav Maga to cope with his ex-wife instead of turning to drinking, he might well have been a prime candidate. However, as it was, yes he would have been as out of place as the chief engineer of the ship going on that jump, and for that matter its pilot. Being a volunteer for a high risk task is great, unless you otherwise perform an essential duty.

So, it’s entirely possible that Kirk asked for volunteers to go on the shuttle (in this case involving little training outside the piloting so that explains Sulu), but not probable. In short, what I’m saying is that I saw the 9 minute preview and as I recall there’s absolutely no reason for Uhura to be on that shuttle with the understanding of her known skillset. To be fair, Uhura is shown to be able to pilot and could serve as a backup should anything happen to Sulu, but that probably applies to half the crew of the enterprise. Meanwhile wouldn’t you want your most qualified operator handling communications when a hostile environment is causing technical problems to begin with?

The Klingon planet is likely a different matter. While Kirk and Spock are both very smart, and the universal translator is canon, if the technology failed them for some reason, I doubt either would be fluent enough in Klingon for such a seemingly dangerous mission.

313. The Mighty Chip - April 23, 2013

@311 TrekMadeMeWonder –

“This Kirk and crew aint as sharp as the last crew.”

That’s the point. A running theme of this movie is that the crew (Kirk especially) is brash and unexperienced, and one of the goals of the movie is supposed to show him/them growing closer towards the crew as it appears in TOS.

314. Deleted - April 23, 2013

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1408101/board/flat/213605342?p=1

315. Captain Terrell - April 23, 2013

@308 I was never happy with the depiction of Uhura in the original series and in the films. In the late 60’s when the show began it was a different America and at that time, there were few African-Americans, not to mention women in prominent roles on television. America was coming out of the Civil Rights era. Uhura had her moments and was the focus here and there but for the most part she was not as developed as she should have been. She was eye candy. The climate of the day may not have allowed for her to shine more, but I thought that was a huge failure on Gene Roddenberrys part. In the films she was not given much to do either. Even Checkov fell in love once. Sulu had a daughter. Scotty had family. They were the support cast but they had some history. Uhuras history is the most underdeveloped of the original cast. I appreciate what JJ has done with her. She is the only woman on the command crew. I like that she has a little “Leia” in her. I like the relationship with Spock. Love the xenolinguistics. Like that she is not a push over.

She deserved a lot better than what she got in the original series. She was a part of the Senior Staff and she was a command officer. She should have been in the Captain’s chair at least once. I agree with you that novels and other depictions don’t count. Die hard Trekkies are going to be the only ones who read it. The Darth Vader depticed in the novels and comics was way more ruthless and badass than the films. If you are not a hardcore Star Wars fan and read Expanded Lit, you won’t know. The Expanded Universes add layers but its up to the live action creators as to whether they incorporate it into the canon.

The overreation to Uhura in that scene is stupid. She looks conflicted because she is in Love with Spock and his life is in danger. Her emotions are on full display. Even the way Kirk looks at her, he knows that whats on the Line for her is different. I applaud what JJ has done with her. Gene Roddenberry who it is rumored had a relationship with Nichell Nichols should have done more to develop her character.

316. Curious Cadet - April 23, 2013

@291. Theatre Historian,
“There are a few reviews begining to pop up online now, luckily they seem to be keeping the big spoiler alerts at bay”

Perhaps for this first premiere, but I guarantee after tomorrow night’s screening in Austin it will be all over. How the hell does Austin keep getting these sneak previews?

Anyway, I just read a tweet from a non-fan who attended last night’s premiere in Australia who said the film was good, but they preferred the story from the first film better. YIKES!!

317. Captain Terrell - April 23, 2013

@314

Thanks for the heads up but I am not going to allow this movie to get spoiled for me even if it confirms a lot of things I have heard. Dude I really want to be surprised.

By the way someone on here complained about Pike not asking McCoy to space jump. That is way way out of McCoys character. Not saying he wasn’t trained but Bones hates space. It would be way out of character for him to volunteer for something when in the original series he moaned about the trasnporter. Anyway I digress….

318. Wes - April 23, 2013

Excellent, excellent…spoilers have been consumed. Lots of crow going to be eaten on these comment threads…and some apologies to certain posters might be in order. (vague enough for ya?) :-P

Super, super excited to see this film. More than I was when I got up this morning, and I already couldn’t wait. :)

319. Curious Cadet - April 23, 2013

@314. BatlethInTheGroin,
“Folks, a over at IMDb named Kaz_Lucas is revealing the entire film in a LOT of detail, including all of the big reveals”

And I’ve got some swampland in Florida to sell you …

Seriously, if this turns out to be the plot of the movie, then the franchise is indeed in trouble.

P.S. everything that guy “reveals” references every clip we’ve seen, and none we haven’t. It reads like a fan fiction effort to peice together the clips and trailers we have been seeing in some coherent way.

320. NCC-73515 - April 23, 2013

Read the spoilers on imdb… some things make me more excited, actually things I was hoping to see, but the big single one spoiler is the one I hate most :(

321. MelyBelle44 - April 23, 2013

I do consider the novelizations and scripts to be maybe not 100% canon but just about as close to canon as you can get.

Remember on the novelization, Orci and Kurtzman collaborated with the author. The book itself follows the movie pretty much scene by scene word for word. There are a few additional lines and scenes here and there, but for the most part, it is very true to the movie. The only thing it adds is it goes into details about the characters’ thought processes a little more, which is something you will never get in film. The novelization never contradicts the movie; it only adds to it.

I think it is important to see what is going through these characters’ minds and why they do the certain things they do. You also learn a little bit more about the background characters that you may only get a passing glance of in the movie. Obviously, the movie can stand alone for the casual viewer, but for the people who want a little more of a back story, the novelization provides that.

As for the argument that if it didn’t happen in the movie, it didn’t happen…that’s absurd. Did we see someone give Scotty a dry Starfleet uniform in the movie? No. Did it happen? Clearly. So, just because they don’t actually show Uhura giving Spock the device doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Just because we don’t see him initiate the kiss doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.

322. I Want To Vomit - April 23, 2013

Good Lord. I hope those spoilers are incorrect. *grumble grumble grumble*

323. Dennis Bailey - April 23, 2013

Most of the spoilers over there are getting confirmed from multiple sources.

Everybody loves tribbles.

324. drumvan - April 23, 2013

the timeline has a strange way of healing itself doesn’t it.

325. BatlethInTheGroin - April 23, 2013

#319: I’m going to assume you didn’t read the thread, because there are many things he revealed that are not from the released clips.

326. Sherlock - April 23, 2013

tribble, healing, kirk’s death, khan, 72 cryogenic tubes… guys, don’t spoil the whole dammit film!

327. MelyBelle44 - April 23, 2013

@324

That was VERY spoilery…..shame on you.

328. thalos - April 23, 2013

Now we need First Contact reboot. Boborci can you make it happen please?

329. Sherlock - April 23, 2013

So now the even numbers stand for the bad movies?

330. I Want To Vomit - April 23, 2013

Picard’s reaction to reading the spoilers…

http://geek-news.mtv.com//wp-content/uploads/geek/2012/11/picard-facepalm2.jpg

331. marty - April 23, 2013

i don’t believe anything until i see it from other sources. that spoiler thread at imdb is just too perfect.. and awful.

if that is the actual plot and story are(which i don’t think it is, i could’ve came up with my own movie from all the trailers too just like i think this guy is), then jj abrams, boborci, alex k, and damon ALL need to be fired and let rick berman save the franchise.

i’m sure the event in sydney was a secure ticket event, not many people would get to see it, yet this random IMDB poster lays out the movie WHILE watching it? yea um no. sorry, won’t believe it until i see it elsewhere. and if this guy was able to secretly get in and break the story, then JJ’s secrecy embargo failed.

you want to know what got me? the blood of harrison being injected into … yea, that’s what sold me it was a fake spoiler.

332. Tim - April 23, 2013

To be fair to Sherlock why be on any Star Trek board post Sydney knowing people like to spill spoilers. No true fan would frequent these or and other place. And avoid trade chat in your favorite mom while your at it. People are posting the plot on my server all Harry potter style.

333. thalos - April 23, 2013

Do you guys honestly expected something good from Orci&Kurtzman&Lindelof?

It is Lindelof for heavens sake when did he write something good?

334. MelyBelle44 - April 23, 2013

@332

I would think that no true Trek fan would want to spoil the film for others in a non-Spoilers setting. You want to go over to IMDB? Fine. You want to read reviews? Fine.

But, to make thinly veiled spoiler comments in a thread like this is just plain rude.

335. Curious Cadets - April 23, 2013

@321 MelyBelle44,
“So, just because they don’t actually show Uhura giving Spock the device doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Just because we don’t see him initiate the kiss doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.”

That’s called speculation.

You seem to be confusing intent with actual. If all anyone ever sees is Alice Eve screaming and standing around in her panties, as we have in the trailers, what impression are they likely to take away? If nothing more is in the film, you can speculate all you want about how brilliant she might be, but you can’t say for a fact she is.

You’re talking about some serious fan stuff, and not how a movie is perceived by a casual audience. I’m all for getting into the heads of the characters, but film is a visual medium which is all about specifics — focusing the viewer very carefully where the director wants them to look, and giving them very intentionally only what he wants them to see. And as such the director takes full responsibility for how the characters are depicted.

If it’s not there, beyond the obvious (how did Scotty get a dry uniform, seriously?) then you can’t assume it happened. Uhura SHOWN to have an official reason to be in the transporter room being away from her post during a time of crisis informs the audience, whereas only showing her making out with Spock does not automatically imply the former. It doesn’t matter if this is explained in the novel, because most of the audience will never read it. What they saw in the film is how it happened. By your logic, I can assume that Uhura slept with Spock in order to get a promotion to the Enterprise. Prove to me it didn’t happen that way just from what we see on screen.

As for the novels, and deleted scenes, well those all serve to paint a different picture than Abrams chose to paint. For instance, Kirk is a bigger jerk than we thought: he uses Gila to open an e-mail from him to launch the virus that helps him cheat, which implies it’s the only reason he was having a relationship with her, more or less confirmed later because he can’t even tell the difference between one green girl and another. Also, at the end of the novel, prior to departing for the Enterprise’s first mission Admiral Archer’s Beagle returns. However, the comic, which is also canon according to Orci says the Beagle does not return until the end of the tribble mission. So which is it?

336. BatlethInTheGroin - April 23, 2013

#331: He didn’t lay it out while watching it. He did so after the film was through.

337. Curious Cadets - April 23, 2013

@325. BatlethInTheGroin,
“I’m going to assume you didn’t read the thread, because there are many things he revealed that are not from the released clips.”

Oh I read it, unfortunately. I’ll never get that time back.

Every single scene he outlines revolves around some clip we’ve seen and expands on it as unrealistically as most of the speculation that has been going on around here for the past year. In fact he oddly skips over some major scenes we know are in the movie.

338. Aurore - April 23, 2013

“Do you guys honestly expected something good from Orci&Kurtzman&Lindelof?”
_____

I did. Still do.

So far, I’ve only read “spoiler-free” reviews.

:)

339. MelyBelle44 - April 23, 2013

@331

I sincerely hope you are right. I have not read the spoilers and do not intend to. That said…as brilliant as ST09 was, as amazing as the trailers have been (honestly the trailers coupled with the 09 trailer, to me are the best trailers I have seen in a long time, maybe even better than the Dark Knight, which coming from me is high praise), as amazing as Benedict Cumberbatch is….if this film is anything less than epic, I will be very sad.

340. Dennis C - April 23, 2013

IGN has posted a review which is pretty much spoiler free. While positive overall the author does say the following:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/23/star-trek-into-darkness-igns-review

“That Into Darkness still has a tendency to warp its own logic is also a problem. While plot-holes can be forgiven when Abrams is hurtling his audience through space at breakneck speed, the third half of the film descends into the sort of fan-service that throws the arbitrary nature of certain narrative decisions into much harsher relief. It’s ironic that Abrams’ brave attempts to appease die-hard Trekkies may prove the most problematic with his movie’s audience, and once again, the finale feels undercooked and over-sweetened.

Those hoping for a more cerebral experience this time around, then, may leave disappointed. The right themes are all here – notes of friendship, family and teamwork abound – but it’s all big, broad and digestible with little nuance to speak of. Indeed, the more subtle stuff comes by way of the character’s sense of absurdity about their own situations; one gets the feeling most of the cast are half-a-second away from turning around and giving us all a big goofy wink.”

341. Adolescent Nightmare - April 23, 2013

My elders aren’t very bright.

Congratulations, Nufan.

342. Sherlock - April 23, 2013

The point is…

in TWOK the Reliant was in no way a match for the Enterprise. Khan was only a thread to Kirk because he had the moment of surprise. When I heard Cumberbatch was a terrorist and I saw the big E falling towards Earth I thought: ‘Well, that’s an exciting story. Starfleet has all this technology and superiority, but they can’t handle Cumbi as the US could hardly deal with the Vietcong or Al Kaida.’

And then… surprise! They’ve got the bigger ships, the better ships! Why does it always have to turn out that way? Is this f***ing Transformers or Iron Man or what? We want the feeling of real danger, not: Oh, he’s got the bigger guns!
It’s just nothing but unrealistic in its own universe: They needed years to construct the Enterprise, their newest top notch flagship and half a year later, they fly around in secret ships 4 times as big and indestructible.

That didn’t work in Nemesis. It worked in 09 as the Narada was from the future, but that’s enough.
Who needs the Enterprise in the next movie? If there’s a war with the Klingons, just rebuild some Sec 31 vessels…

343. Captain Ransom - April 23, 2013

@342: it’s true they don’t need the enterprise. star trek 4 was the only film that didn’t have the enterprise in it and it is widely regarded as the greatest trek film ever made.

344. Aurore - April 23, 2013

From the IGN article:

“….Ultimately, it solidifies a franchise reborn. It just risks – a tiny bit more this time – isolating the fan base that loved it so much in the first place….”

(http://uk.ign.com/articles/2013/04/23/star-trek-into-darkness-igns-review)

…Intriguing.

I so need to see that movie!

:))

345. NCC-73515 - April 23, 2013

The imdb spoilers would fit to every single picture we’ve seen. Remember when BC holds his arm through a hole in the brig wall (no forcefields?) and Bones extracts something? ;)

346. MelyBelle44 - April 23, 2013

@340, 344

That seems quite conflicting. In one part of the review, it seems to insinuate that Abrams made an attempt to appease the die-hards (which is quite gracious of him considering the vile things I’ve seen hurled his way) at the risk of turning off the 09 audience.

That second excerpt says the complete opposite, that ST09 is its own beast, and that it may isolate the fan base. I find myself wondering if “isolating the fan base that loved it so much in the first place” means old-school Trekkers or if it means the ST09 fanbase.

347. Moputo Jones - April 23, 2013

#320 – I saw the big spoiler on the IMDb thread and it actually doesn’t bother me. It’s in keeping with the way the JJverse is unfolding – whether people like that or not is another story.

348. Nony - April 23, 2013

Judging by those (non-spoilery) reviews, I’m getting concerned over exactly how “key” (to use Bob’s word) McCoy’s role might actually be. Doesn’t sound like he’s gotten much emphasis. :(

(I feel like I harp on about this issue like 75% of the time I comment here, but it’s important to me!)

349. MelyBelle44 - April 23, 2013

@347

Ugh, “unfolding.”

I don’t think I like that word very much.

350. Red Dead Ryan - April 23, 2013

I just read the IMBD spoilers. I have to say, a lot of it sounds similar to theories posted by fans on this site. Which is to say that it smacks of tired cliches and underwhelming premises.

I happen to think it was mostly some guy piecing all the trailer info together and filling in the blanks with guesswork.

I wouldn’t take it without a big boulder of salt.

351. marty - April 23, 2013

the more the IMDB spoiler thread keeps going, the less believable it becomes.

the fact that i came up with that same plot in my head(along with several others), and that several other people one this site came up with it more than once all before the movie came out, just says to me that the “spoilers” are just khan enthusiasts, trying to trick everyone.

how many people saw the only showing of the movie earlier today in sydney? approx 200. i’m guessing. now suddenly ‘kazlucas’ and ‘cyclonesteve’ just so happened to ‘watch’ the movie are ‘spoiling it’? right. of course.

usually only people of the media, people that worked on the film, other celebrities, and a few lucky fans from contests get to watch the film. that’s it. not IMDB posters.

until more showings happen, or more spoilers come out, i won’t-and you shouldn’t believe them.

352. THX-1138 - April 23, 2013

I read the IMDB spoilers, too. If they are real then this movie has a lot of stupid going for it. I warned whoever would listen that if speculation was true it was a HUGE mistake. I really, really hope it’s not true and it’s just a bunch of JJ’s subterfuge and we will be in for a surprise when we get to see the movie.

But if it’s true then I might just have to be “out” of this “version” of Trek because it is obviously being handled by people who don’t even have the slightest idea what they are doing. At the most basic level. Like who the characters are and what they do.

353. Flake - April 23, 2013

Those who have read the spoilers should simply have them confirmed over on the Trekbbs grade thead in the Trek XI forum where there are people who have definitley been to the premiere.

I have seen the main spoilers already but I don’t want to read a synopsis!

354. Curious Cadet - April 23, 2013

@345. NCC-73515,
“The imdb spoilers would fit to every single picture we’ve seen. Remember when BC holds his arm through a hole in the brig wall (no forcefields?) and Bones extracts something? ;)”

That’s exactly what I mean when I say everything we’ve seen in the trailers, or has been rumored to be in the film (or depicted in the comics) is woven through the clunky IMDB synopsis, while leaving out some major things we’ve also seen. There’s no major plot points in that synopsis that hasn’t been discussed at some point in online fan boards, or by the producers themselves.

I find it hard to believe Abrams gave us a representative clip or still from every major scene in the film for us to essentially piece together the entire movie.

355. T'Cal - April 23, 2013

MovieFone has a second short clip. Looks great!

356. Markus - April 23, 2013

honestly… I read those spoilers on IMDB and I keep hoping until the end credits that not a parrt of it is true. what the hell! either the authors are crazy or the “spoilers” are the worst bullshit to play tricks on other people’s expectations.

357. Aurore - April 23, 2013

“That seems quite conflicting.”
_______

IT IS !!!!

:))

That is what I found “intriguing” .

I did not copy and paste the part about the “brave attempts” to “appease die-hard Trekkies”, for, it had already been posted, @ 340!

“I find myself wondering if ‘isolating the fan base that loved it so much in the first place’ means old-school Trekkers or if it means the ST09 fanbase.”

I personally took it to mean “old-school Trekkers”, especially due to the… “a tiny bit more *this time* ” part.

I thought the person writing the article believed that people who had “issues” with the last offering would be even more upset…this time around…

But, who knows?

As I said ; I need to see the movie…. to find out!

:)

* Emphasis mine.

358. Flake - April 23, 2013

354. Sure, us hardened Star Trek fans who have read encylopaedias on the subject can piece it together but not some random fellow who doesn’t know much about Trek.

359. BatlethInTheGroin - April 23, 2013

I, too, am starting to think the IMDb thread is bull. The posted storyline makes less and less sense as it goes along. Khan’s blood heals people? And a tribble is the key to the movie’s resolution?? Seriously? That’s mind-bogglingly idiotic. As much of a hack as Lindelof is, I can’t imagine he’d do something THIS ridiculous.

360. Moputo Jones - April 23, 2013

#353 – Unless there are a bunch of BSers in the trekkbbs forums continuing Kaz_Lucas’s joke, then yes, the posters in trekbbs would seem to confirm that the big spoilers from IMDb’s forum are all true.

361. MelyBelle44 - April 23, 2013

@359

Or is it maybe SO kooky it just might be true?

Remember, the IGN review talked about warped logic and plot holes. Then, it also talks about the last part of the movie being fan-service, almost an homage to old-school Trekkers?

Did they attempt too much to tie in TOS and make it completely batcrap crazy?

362. Aurore - April 23, 2013

@357. Aurore – April 23, 2013
______

Come on, now!

Not every “old-school Trekkers” had “issues” with the last movie!
…..And, I suppose that not every new fan loved everything about it…

‘Careful…

:)

363. Nony - April 23, 2013

[*SPOILER*]

I bet it’s the same dead tribble in the jar from the comic. XD

364. NCC-73515 - April 23, 2013

OMG do I hear Klingon in the soundtrack in that moviefone clip?! Wow! :D

365. Tin-plated overbearing, swaggering dictator with delusions of godhood - April 23, 2013

@361

A homage is subtle. This is more like a sledgehammer.

366. Yanks - April 23, 2013

@ 314. BatlethInTheGroin – April 23, 2013

I didn’t think Anthony wanted links to major spoilers here at Trekmovie.

367. Adolescent Nightmare - April 23, 2013

More reports now. But I think you should fight it. Fight it to the very end!

368. Curious Cadet - April 23, 2013

@358. Flake,
“Sure, us hardened Star Trek fans who have read encylopaedias on the subject can piece it together but not some random fellow who doesn’t know much about Trek.”

And just who do you think would perpetrating such a hoax?

@360. Moputo Jones,
“nless there are a bunch of BSers in the trekkbbs forums continuing Kaz_Lucas’s joke, then yes, the posters in trekbbs would seem to confirm that the big spoilers from IMDb’s forum are all true”

Are they confirming they were at the premiere and Kaz is reporting accurately? otherwise they are just reinforcing crap, like your grandmother does when she forwards that e-mail about the Nigerian prince.

369. strangelove - April 23, 2013

second clip;-D

http://news.moviefone.com/2013/04/23/star-trek-into-darkness-clip_n_3134184.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000006

is it me, or did the bird of prey sound like a T-Fighter:-D???

370. Curious Cadet - April 23, 2013

@367. Adolescent Nightmare,
“More reports now. But I think you should fight it. Fight it to the very end!”

Well if I’m wrong I’m wrong, but right now this looks like the McWeeny “April’s Gatling Gun” story — reported widely, but never verified by anybody else.

371. Flake - April 23, 2013

IMDB spoilers are true. There are people on TrekBBS who have most definitely been to the premiere and they confirm they are true.

372. Moputo Jones - April 23, 2013

#368: A lot of people are in denial. Are Kaz_Lucas’s spoilers really that surprising, at all?

373. Markus - April 23, 2013

I do not believe those spoilers:

1) the new clip shows they are on some klingon vessel – either it is a fake or they captured it somehow.
2) i guess it would be silly to waste the klingons that way, especially the war that could result. the spoilers say nothing about it.
3) one of those guys writes he hated the 3D – but do we know the premiere was in 3D?

374. Moputo Jones - April 23, 2013

And oh ya Curious Cadet, are you really that big of a jerk that you would talk s–t about my dead grandmother?

375. MelyBelle44 - April 23, 2013

@365

I’m totally with you sweetie.

And, per the IGN review, it states in not so many words that part of the movie is not done particularly well, and just seems like fan service for the sake of fan service. Arbitrary was the word that was used.

The whole tribble thing may seem like the least likely thing in the world, but, it would definitely be arbitrary.

376. Curious Cadet - April 23, 2013

@371 Flake,

I don’t see that anywhere on TrekBBS. Just people saying, hey there was a guy earlier who said the same thing. And then can’t produce a legitimate link or anyone to verifiy it. So far this all goes back to the one IMDB report.

377. Phil - April 23, 2013

@372. I didn’t see anything substantial, but then, I didn’t go through all 160 or so posts, either….

378. Curious Cadet - April 23, 2013

Either way, we’ll know for sure in about 4-6 hours as people who did attend the premiere will wake up, read these posts and deny them. I think these guys are taking advantage of a small window to perpetrate a hoax, when most of the real premiere attendees are asleep.

379. Danpaine - April 23, 2013

Just finished reading the IMDB spoilers.

If they’re true, I’m going to be one disappointed dude.

Hopefully, they’re just hokum.

380. boborci - April 23, 2013

169.

Easy. U take it out into the middle of the ocean miles from land and then you get into orbit.

381. NuFan - April 23, 2013

341

Hah! And you, AN. I hope praising each other doesn’t count as spoiling. I don’t want to get banned.

382. Flake - April 23, 2013

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?t=209857&page=3

“The IMDB stuff matches up perfectly with what another member of his board was telling folks this morning via PM. It’s legit as far as I’m concerned.”

383. Jemini - April 23, 2013

308. Curious Cadet

“I will say that novelizations, and scripted dialogue not shot or included in the final edit do not canon make. What an audience sees on screen is likely all most will ever see — and that’s all they have to go on, regardless of original intent.”

scripts are as canon as you can get.
We are not talking about deleted scenes here.
These scenes are showed, then people can have their perceptions based on what they see but surely you are not implying that the writers’ opinion and intent in the scenes is less important than the subjective opinion of the fans like us that will differ anyway (ours surely differ)

In this instance, their intent doesn’t support your argument against Uhura (specifically the notion that she must have initiated the kiss)

You said that Uhura initiated a PSA in that scene but isn’t this itself an assumption from your part as the scene didn’t show her initiating the kiss?
You’re saying that the assumption from the original script is less valid than yours LOL
“only what is showed matter” yet you’re stating facts based on something that you are just assuming but that wasn’t actually showed to you, either.

It has a name and that’s called SPECULATION
the difference is that sometimes speculations can be supported by the script or even a deleted scene, sometimes.. no such luck.
like in your case because ~even script~ explains that Spock is the one that initiated the supposed “PDA” you’re accusing Uhura of initiating/forcing him into and that ( if it wasn’t already obvious by the scenes) he was a willing participant in both kissing scenes. So, blame the man too not just the girl. (if there is someone to blame here, I still think that this conversation is a bit surreal)

321. MelyBelle44
amen.

“As for the argument that if it didn’t happen in the movie, it didn’t happen…that’s absurd. Did we see someone give Scotty a dry Starfleet uniform in the movie? No. Did it happen? Clearly. So, just because they don’t actually show Uhura giving Spock the device doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Just because we don’t see him initiate the kiss doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.”
just adding: especially when the device is still visible in the scene!
Here’s a screencap evidence of that: http://i.imgur.com/fBmvcUA.jpg
blurry but still visible.

so yeah, neither the script nor the novel contradict anything here. They just add details.

384. Daniel Broadway - April 23, 2013

Many people have corroborated the IMDB review. I suspect it is legit.

385. Spock's Bangs - April 23, 2013

Mighty thin ice I’m skating on here…headed back to shore until I see the film for myself in May. A renegade post could spoil it all. Too risky, I’m out.

386. Jemini - April 23, 2013

ps: screencap not mine but I don’t remember where I found it.

387. Unwanted - April 23, 2013

@305. Bob Orcie popped in here a little while back and said that the Nibiru volcano was an extinction size supervolcano, or in Earth terms Yellowstone national park. Mt. St. Helens in Washington state had the force of a nuclear bomb when it erupted in 1980, and it blew a thousand feet off the top of the mountain.

The last time Yellowstone went up it was 2500 times as powerful as Mt. St. Helens. If you are hovering the ship as close to the caldera as the Enterprise looks to be in the clip then you better believe an eruption threatens the ship, as well as all life on the planet, which is why Spock is down there to begin with.

Mt. St. Helens had a force of 24 Megatons, compared to Hiroshima which was 13 Kilotons, and the Nibiru Volcano would be over 2000 times more powerful, so at least 48000 Megatons.

388. Hugh Hoyland - April 23, 2013

Okay I read the supposed spoilers and “reviews”.

IMO if the spoilers are accurate then its pretty much where I thought this particular story would go. To me it makes sense, where else could they take it? They did an origins story first time around. They couldnt go that route again. They were NOT going to go with an “esoteric” theme, sorry the logistics are against that for obvious reasons. This is the natural progression, a coming of age story perhapes. I’m sure some fans may not buy it at first but some didnt buy ST 09 at first either (but came around eventually).

And as far as the ‘reviews” almost all that Ive read say it rocks. Not that I need someone elses opinion to decide but it gives good word of mouth. All I know is I’ll be there opening day, and probably a few more times to boot lol

389. MelyBelle44 - April 23, 2013

@384

I really don’t know what to think at this point.

I mean, it is hard for me to believe that the people that gave us George Kirk dead (Shocker!) Romulus in Prime Universe gone (Shocker! unless you read the comics). Vulcan gone (Shocker!) Spock and Uhura a couple (Shocker!) Sarek admitting out loud that he loved Amanda (kind of surprising)…would give us a movie where pretty much every plot point has been hinted at or implied through all the trailers, clips, and still photos.

I dunno.

390. Red Dead Ryan - April 23, 2013

If the plot descriptions are true, then I’m a bit disappointed. I saw the same story ideas posted numerous times by fans on this site. And I will be even more disappointed if the movie is a display of fan appeasement.

391. Tomar Re - April 23, 2013

If the spoilers are true, the movie sounds awful…

392. Phil - April 23, 2013

@390. The same story lines posted on this site? Does that mean they actually made ‘Naked Star Trek Jacuzzi Party’??

boom chick bow bow…. Barry White is smiling on us all…

393. Frederick - April 23, 2013

Another clip has been released… flying through the crack. “Will fit!”

394. Frederick - April 23, 2013

At this point if Khan is involved I will be let down by the lack of originality.

395. Phil - April 23, 2013

@235. Not suggesting transporters weren’t working, but a much more basic explanation is easier to understand. Magnetic fields fluctuate all the time, so a line of site explanation doesn’t make that problem go away. Ionized gasses, particulate matter, and high temperatures is sufficient explanation.

396. Tin-plated overbearing, swaggering dictator with delusions of godhood - April 23, 2013

And the giant “Dreadnaught” ship is the U.S.S. Vengeance. I give up.

397. Adolescent Nightmar - April 23, 2013

I’ll be good.

398. Red Dead Ryan - April 23, 2013

Yep. A madman who is out for revenge is commanding a ship called the “U.S.S. Vengeance”.

I got to admit, my anticipation for this movie has been tempered a bit…..

399. The Mighty Chip - April 23, 2013

Sorry I think I missed the name of the ship, are you guys getting “USS Vengeance” from the imdb thread?

400. BatlethInTheGroin - April 23, 2013

I’ve been vocally championing this film, telling people to wait until they see it before condemning it, and personally expecting it to be excellent. However, if what that Kaz guy says is true… then yike. That sounds HORRIBLE. Khan’s blood healing people is ridiculous. And the tribble? Good good, man. For the first time, I’m dreading how this is going to turn out.

401. Tin-plated overbearing, swaggering dictator with delusions of godhood - April 23, 2013

@399 No, from the Star Trek Facebook account

402. John from Cincinnati - April 23, 2013

Awesome! I can’t wait to see this film! Kudos to Orci and Company. This could be the best Trek movie of all-time!

403. Vultan - April 23, 2013

From the writers of Transformers and Cowboys & Aliens.
Keep that in mind, folks.

404. John from Cincinnati - April 23, 2013

This movie will honor the mythos of Trek while giving us something new!

I’m expecting the best Trek yet!

Thank you Bob Orci, JJ and the whole staff!

10/10!

405. NCC-73515 - April 23, 2013

boborci, please, tell us the reports are wrong!

406. TBW - April 23, 2013

The most frustrating part for me is that not only does Harrison not NEED to be Khan for this plot to work (generally, I understand how the augments would force changing the nature of the Marcus plan.) If the spoilers are to be believed, making Cumberbatch’s character Khan is just…silly.

407. MelyBelle44 - April 23, 2013

@ 403

AND the first Star Trek reboot film.

So, I don’t think it was much of a stretch to expect greatness once again.

408. John from Cincinnati - April 23, 2013

If the spoilers are true and the ST09 noobs are upset, that just goes to show how closed-minded they really and truly are. They are acting worse than the die hards when ST09 came out. Come on, disappointed in a movie you haven’t even seen yet? How is that possible? Or is that just being obtuse?

409. Son of Jello - April 23, 2013

299 MelyBelle44

No I wont ……it was relevant to the conversation in this forum and it was in no way a spoiler It gave nothing away. It did say it was an extract from a review there was plenty of time to look away or move on. I have no intention of ruining the movie for anyone.

410. Nony - April 23, 2013

Well…I suppose “a Romulan miner named Nero is angry at Spock for letting all the Romulans die in a supernova so he goes back in time and creates a parallel timeline and implodes Vulcan using a giant space drill and these blobs of red stuff that sometimes destroy everything and sometimes cause time travelling” is a completely ridiculous movie premise in text, but I still loved the movie. I will try and be positive about this one.

411. Endeavor crew - April 23, 2013

Warning!!!!!

Spoilers ahead!!!!

Yep……..IMDB spoilers are 100% legit.

Harrison is Khan.

Anthony and co. were right all along.

And as I thought from the Japanese trailer Kirk and Spock switch roles in the infamous hand on the glass screen.

Kirk dies at the end.

412. Captain Anakin Adama - April 23, 2013

I should not be surprised by the level of negativity. The same ones on here griping will be the same ones at the midnight showing. You are also the same guys who hated Phantom Menace but bought the Blu Ray Boxed Set of all the Star Wars prequels. You are the same ones who moan and gripe and complain all the time. You want everything your way, but I have a newsflash, that is not going to happen. If the spoilers offend you so much then stay home and spare us your lame critical analysis. What movies have you written @ Vultan. You are a hater Dude.

How can we judge a film when you have not seen it? If they had the internet when Empire came out, we would have known the identity of Lukes father and Lucas would have been destroyed and accused of not
“capturing the spirit of the last film”. It is pathetic. Rick Berman made Star Trek films for “trek purists” and suffered for it. They were insulated and arrogant. Look what happened to them. The “new” Trek takes place in a universe that is not tied to 300 years of continuity wars etc. They are not tied to the 1st appearance of the Ferengi or Kor, Koloth, or Kang. New Universe. New Rules. They have taken established canon and introduced it in a new way to appeal to people who dont go on message boards, read comics, trek novels, or play role playing games. People who actually have lives.

Stop being moved by every message board post and go see the movie. Thats it.

413. MelyBelle44 - April 23, 2013

@408

I am very confused. Is it the 09 noobs that will hate it or the old guard that will hate it. I am hearing both, so I am very confused.

@410

The difference is….who could have predicted that story line? Based on the trailers and clips from the first film, who could have predicted it?

With this film, it was predicted. It was widely predicted. It was overly predicted. There are no surprises (that we are aware of), with basically everything coming from the trailers and clips.

414. Captain Anakin Adama - April 23, 2013

@Anthony

Dude this is your site. Please reign in these morons who are trying to destroy the movie going experience for everyone else. It is really not cool man. Not cool at all. You people really need to stop being so bloody evil. Its really sad. I am done with coming on Trekmovie until I see the film. If I have to put up with morons like @Endeavor Crew and @Vultan …

I am out…..

415. Flake - April 23, 2013

410: exactly

Star Trek 2009: Utterly ridiculous premise with massive grand canyon sized plot holes sounds silly and stupid on paper but turned out great! Chill out

416. Flake - April 23, 2013

413: Dont read the comments?

417. Disinvited - April 23, 2013

#289. Jim Nightshade – April 23, 2013

I can find no hard evidence to back your claim but my gut backed up by actually watching I SPY when it first aired thinks you are likely right.

The reason there’s confusion, is that it keeps getting mislabeled as people don’t comprehend the illogic of 1960s’ Southern United States’ racism, and I take that as a good sign. See, Kirk and Uhura’s kiss was the first televised to break the USA’s Southern race barrier.

Anything that reenforces the stereotype of humans that are considered “other” lusting outside their “kind” was considered disgusting but given a pass as it played to reinforce their bigoted notions which included the idea that “their” women needed protecting from such advances. That is why Cosby’s kiss would not have been considered by the politicos of The South as breaking the race barrier, per se. However, ANYTHING depicting even remotely what they considered a “white” American farm bred male to find a “black” female attractive and desirable…well THAT was unacceptable! – let alone that it was taking place during a “children’s” television show as all science-fiction was considered then.

418. Endeavour crew - April 23, 2013

413

Then when I say warning spoilers don’t read further………

Why do you think MJ is off this site until 5/16

419. Vultan - April 23, 2013

#413

If you can’t express yourself without behaving like a child, then by all means… get out.

420. thalos - April 23, 2013

Sorry guys… it’s Lindelof don’t forget it almost ruined Prometheus. Why do you think he wasn’t hired to write the sequel?

421. MelyBelle44 - April 23, 2013

@417

Some of us (like me) just refresh the page, and then whatever is at the bottom shows up.

422. John from Cincinnati - April 23, 2013

Boborci

Has Talos IV been discovered in the alternate universe?

423. Endeavour crew - April 23, 2013

420

Again, if you want to avoid spoilers than it would be best to stay away from this or any movie site.

424. Phil - April 23, 2013

This is idiotic – two years of non-stop bitching that there are no details out there about the movie, and now that there are some out there, it’s non-stop bitching that there are details out here about the movie.

Can’t say I blame JJ for heading over to Disney…..

425. THX-1138 - April 23, 2013

I don’t recall anyone here telling anyone else that THEY shouldn’t enjoy the sequel.

What I have been reading is that some people feel that if the leaked plot is true then they will be disappointed. You’re not telling us we can’t be disappointed, are you? If so, then I am telling YOU that you aren’t allowed to express disappointment in our disappointment.

BTW potential spoiler alert:

SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER

If Harrison is Khan I am just dying to see what the explanation is for him to be:

1) Not North Indian Sikh
2) Not on the Botany Bay sleeping
3) Vengeful. After all, in TOS they described him as being a hardened dictator but a peaceful one. Scott and McCoy both describe his reign as a peaceful one with no wars. All he wanted in TOS was to rule once again, not vengeance. He became a madman after the planet Kirk and crew left him on became a hell and his wife died.

Oh, I’ll go see it, alright. I can’t believe that they would actually make a Khan movie, seemingly without understanding anything about the antagonist.

Oh, and how dumb is it to premier the movie outside the U.S. and not expect the lid to be blown off hours later?

426. Unwanted - April 23, 2013

@425

1. He is a product of genetic engineering and was NEVER North Indian Sikh, no matter what dumba– McGivers thought.

2. He was discovered by a different ship, duh.

3. He will desire vengeance for events that happen in the film obviously.

Now go ahead and flame away at me, I won’t be here, I will be playing my new Star Trek game on xbox and waiting for the movie… you know so I can actually watch it for myself before judging it.

427. Endeavour crew - April 23, 2013

Yes I have to chuckle at the people who thought Harrison would be “bad” at first and then Kirk would realize it was really Starfleet that was the villain and Kahn- oooops I mean er, Harrison was actually a good guy.

While admirable to think BC could turn out a hero it totally smacks right in the face of him being a badass villain and would therefore damage his credibility on film. BC needs to be the ultimate “baddie” or the film fails to truly reel you in emotionally the way it should.

It would be like the Joker from TDK turning out to really want to help Gotham………lol

428. T'Leba - April 23, 2013

Love this clip! The wait is almost over! :-)

429. John from Cincinnati - April 23, 2013

Even if the villain is who he is rumored to be:

1) Why he is vengeful against Starfleet = New
2) How he got discovered = New
3) Being an ex member of Starfleet = New
4) An Admiral as part of Section 31 = New

All these are new concepts. What is everyone complaining about????

430. Phil - April 23, 2013

@429.

1. Black ops budget cuts
2. 7-11 surveillance video
3. Stealing Slurpee’s
4. No openings for Admiral in Section 8

I kid. Now that Enterprise can do everything Seaview does, I figure anything goes these days… will just sit back and enjoy the ride.

431. THX-1138 - April 23, 2013

Awesome. Then you should enjoy the movie. I should, too. It will be good for some laughs.

432. Khan Jenkins - April 23, 2013

When Nero made his incursion into the past he created a divergent reality based on his actions. Everything that happened in the original universe would still happen albeit in different ways. According to @boborci the technology changed because of Nero and also the balance of power shifted. Neros incursion created new outcomes.

If it is indeed the villian who shall remain nameless, then so be it. Let me get my large popcorn and have a great time. If its a new timeline, why are so many people tripping. The biggest problem with Star Trek was that it was never accessible. Berman and co. wrote and catered to their base and the box office results proved that in 2002. Paramount at the end of the day wants to make more money. They could care less about your fanboy feelings and your whining. They are not interested. Orci and the boys are fans. If you have watched Trek long enough, then from the previews you could tell the direction they were headed but a guy who is not on boards, buys comics, and who does not own all 7 seasons of Voyager is not thinking about that.

This is about the bottom line. No more whale songs, No more vulcan pinches on rude rock dudes. The next film will have to be a bona fide space adventure that takes place off world and I hope they do something really cool. I would love to see the Guardian of Forever but that may not happen. I am really annoyed with the negative comments. Okay if its Khan, Get over it!!! So, cool, Khan is back. I want to know how in the heck did all of that happen. It is extremely cool and extremely creative. Its a brilliant idea and concept. If its true. I like it.

Another thing, Khan was a sympathetic figure to Kirk at the end of Space Seed. Watch the episode. Well I can’t wait.

433. THX-1138 - April 23, 2013

Boo hoo, you don’t like negative comments. I care about as much as you care about my comments.

434. Basement Blogger - April 23, 2013

Bob Orci,

I know you love the UFO and alien stuff. So do I. Anyway, I posted a story for you about an alleged alien skeleton. Here’s the follow up. Turns out to be a six inch human or likely human.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/23/sirius-documentary-dna-re_n_3135628.html

435. THX-3030 (The Better Model) - April 23, 2013

@THX-1138 Dude go find your toy replica of the transporter room and vanish. (I know you have one)

If you knew what to do then why didn’t paramount call you up and ask you to helm the franchise? Those guys are pretty smart. Stop being a hater dude.

Your comments are moronic and annoying. You will be at the midnight showing. You are the same type of fanboy that saw Attack of the Clones when you complained about Phantom Menace. You will be at the midnight showing.

436. Disinvited - April 23, 2013

#432. Khan Jenkins – April 23, 2013

If Berman was pandering to the base why didn’t the box office stay static instead of dwindling? Were the fans keeling over from all the movie popcorn consumption?

TMP grossed $170 million dollars worldwide. If that base was being pandered to, why didn’t NEMESIS haul in at least that amount?

I think the problem was whether intentional or not, Berman was catering to smaller faction subsets within the base – most likely as a result of falling prey to believing in his own PR and getting his ego stroked, and ultimately ignored the broader base and we returned the favor.

437. Basement Blogger - April 23, 2013

And by the way, Red Dead Ryan, MJ and myself have taken a lot of heat for deducing that BC is Khan. After reading the comments, beginning to feel a little more confident. And I’ll answer the reason why Khan is pissed off. He was deposed and driven off earth. Look, I’m ready to say I was wrong but so far, it looks as if Anthony’s sources were right. And by the way, I never thought it was a good idea to bring back Khan. Been there and done that.

But how many Star Trek movies had revenge as an important point in the plot?

Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan
Star Trek” First Contact In an interesting plot point, it’s Picard who has revenge issues.
Star Trek: Insurrection
Star Trek: Nemesis
Star Trek 2009

and now

Star Trek Into Darkness

My fellow Trekkers, that’s six films where vengeance is a major plot point. I wonder if they will ever boldly go and make a film like Star Trek: The Voyage Home again. That’s a movie that I consider the best of the Trek films because it’s Star Trek. Regardless, I’m looking forward to this movie.

438. boborci - April 23, 2013

403. And Star Trek

439. Aurore - April 23, 2013

As I stated before.

I want someone from Paramount to confirm these so-called “spoilers”.

…A confirmation by a serious site would do, as well…

I do not mind waiting.

:)

440. drumvan - April 23, 2013

ears burning much bob? lol. here’s your chance to shoot all of this down as boola boola.

441. Khan Jenkins - April 23, 2013

@437 I think its more than being driven off Earth this time. In Space Seed he studied the tapes and the history and wanted to take the ship to conquer as he had before. One of the lines is about family. Okay so the themes of vengeance work for Trek. Okay Most villians have some issues they want to work out. I am not swayed by spoilers.

The Khan thing was rather obvious and I am okay with that. Not a big deal. I want to know why they went through all that trouble to change him. Another thing the technology does exist in their era to alter facial features pigmentation etc. I intend to avoid spoilers.

I read somewhere where someone is pissed that this infringes on their beloved Star Trek II which is a movie I deeply love but if they paid homage to it, then so what. Dude I go to movies to be entertained and to get away from the madness of this world. I think JJ and Bob and those guys did well. I think they have a winner here. Man some of you dudes need girlfriends for real.

442. Khan Jenkins - April 23, 2013

@BobOrci LOL!!!! for your response to 403.

443. Tom - April 23, 2013

come on Bob you could have done the Shatner scene

444. VOODOO - April 23, 2013

#436

That’s not true at all. When you taken inflation into account TMP was much, much, much bigger than Nemesis.

445. THX-1138 - April 23, 2013

#435

Your screen name is as original as the plot to STID. C’mon dude, seriously, is that all you got? Here are a couple of points for you, since reading doesn’t seem to be a strong suit of yours:

I have mentioned more than a few times that I will be in the theater to watch STID. Just not the midnight showing. I’ve got something way more important to do.

And I can’t say that I have all the answers for Trek. But I’d start by not rehashing the single most iconic antagonist that Star Trek has ever produced. I mean unless I wanted my film to be compared to TWOK, which is pure folly in my book. I’d try something, oh I don’t know, original perhaps. Wasn’t that the point of creating a new timeline?

I would like to point out that as opposed to your tactic of attacking someone on a personal level, I chose to find fault with the plot of a movie and not people that I disagree with.

I’d have to give the point to me. I’m certain you will find some other way of mocking my screen name or maybe call into question my parentage. Go ahead, take your time.

446. Khan Jenkins - April 23, 2013

@BobOrci I intend to see it twice. I got some requests Bob

Kate Upton in a non-speaking role as Yeoman Rand

Jennifer Love Hewitt as Christine Chapel (Hey if Uhura does not get in line its time for a change)

Liv Tyler as T’Pring (She is fine with pointed ears. If T’Pring Survived Vulcan)

Rosario Dawson as the Dolman of Elas Elaan (Bob she is a beautiful woman and a trek fan. Did you see her in Alexander !!! (Nuff said)

and my dude Denzel Washington as Dr. M’Benga (Make him head of Starfleet Medical. A little diversity Bob)

Love you guys Plan on seeing it 2 times. Pay no attention to the haters Bob.

447. Disinvited - April 23, 2013

#363. Nony – April 23, 2013

If so, the third one’s a LAND OF THE LIVING REDSHIRT zombie movie.

#380. boborci – April 23, 2013

And it is to be hoped, somewhere near the equator for maximum efficiency.

448. Kev - April 23, 2013

Hey wait now we got a Kev – 1, the hell lol

But damn that last line, that actually sounds like something Mccoy would say.

449. Kev - April 23, 2013

still hate those little red white things on the bridge but damn that actually seems like a TOS like situation there, something that would come before spock and kirks friendship

good job guys.

450. THX-3030 (The Better Model) - April 23, 2013

Dude I just have a difference of opinion with you. We can agree to disagree. You are judging a film based on spoilers not on seeing it yourself. Fanboys are never satisfied.

451. Tiger - April 23, 2013

LOL, its funny how much denial people are over these rumors and thinking Kaz on IMBD is just some troll. I am on that board on IMDB and trust me, Kaz is no troll. Shes been on that thread for months now and in fact announced to all of us she had won tickets to the premiere. She was actually sending us posts in real time on the red carpet on a seperate thread. She is 100% legit!!!

As someone who didnt think it was Khan as well and eating a lot of crow over myself, what has been revealed is true. No one who spent months giving well thought out posts and arguments and certainly a very upstanding poster would just suddenly troll like that for the hell of it.

If you dont like it, blame the writers and director, but dont shoot the messengers. They saw the film and simply reporting their experience. If you dont believe it now, you will in several weeks anyway.

452. Jonboc - April 23, 2013

…playing the game that was released today. too much fun! This will hold me over just fine until the 17th.

453. THX-1138 - April 23, 2013

#450

Don’t backtrack now. Even your “spur of the moment” screen name is meant to be an insult. You imply that I am moronic. That I am some fanboy. And you call me a hater.

Before we “agree to disagree” you should stop being disingenuous. If you wish to be insulting then just go with it.

454. Aurore - April 23, 2013

“… No one who spent months giving well thought out posts and arguments and certainly a very upstanding poster would just suddenly troll like that for the hell of it…”
_______

I’m convinced.

I do not know anything about the poster you are referring to, but, people on the Internet just don’t suddenly write random nonsense for the hell of it.

I saw Roberto Orci naked once.

:)

455. Basement Blogger - April 23, 2013

@ 435, 450

Just because a Trekker criticizes a concept in Star Trek or the movies, doesn’t mean he’s a hater. THX-1138 is smart and thoughtful Trekker. For example, I liked ST09 but have criticized it. Heck, I own the DVD.

And get this. I’ve said it’s a bad idea to bring back Khan. Been there and done that. That doesn’t mean that if this film is great, I won’t love it. If they make great Star Trek, I’ll love it.

A little advice. THX-1138 is like Bruce Wayne. He’s got a powerful friend. It’s MONGO.

456. THX-5050 (A more improved version with complimentary DVD player) - April 23, 2013

@THX-1138 Correct me if I am wrong ut did you not go on some rant about how the writers did not know what they were doing.

You rant sounds like sour tribbles to me my friend. You are having a knee jerk reaction like you are a Romulan Senator every time a Federation ship crosses the neutral zone. Chill. Its not that deep.

We are all fanboys thats why we are here. I am sitting here in my T-shirt shorts behind a glass case full of comics watching season 4 of Enterprise. I have a date tonight with an Orion slave girl named Heather from Scarsdale. You are getting mad on a nerd message board….Chill have a Romulan Ale

457. Basement Blogger - April 23, 2013

@ 454

That’s funny Aurore. Or as Harry Ballz would put it,, funny Frenchie.

458. INS - April 23, 2013

“IF” the synopsis by Kaz is true–I will be entirely disappointed. I’ve read some interviews by journalist that state the overuse of fan pandering…again–very disappointed. Too much call back to outdated gestures and imagery just look silly and does not allow the actors to really showcase their talents. My hope is that the aging references will cease if there is to be a third. Also, I saw some pictures of Zachary Quinto’s Spock where he is very emotional and screaming. I will assume that this is the scene where Kirk dies? Are the writers really trying to sell some deep relationship between these characters after what we have been shown in the first movie and in the comic book where the Spock & Kirk characters are still at odds with each other? Are we to believe that Spock would get that emotional at the death of Kirk in that scene considering their history? Upset yes. Screaming…no! This is ignoring their own canon they have set up, moving way too fast, and have gone straight to fan pandering. If he were to get that emotional for Sarek, I could see. If he got that emotional for Uhura–I could see..Heck, even PIke…but if that scene is indeed a response to Kirk–people will see it for what it is, and it will not have the impact intended. All of this is too bad and terribly disappointing if true. 2009 Trek gave the franchise a solid boost and breathed new life–but the death will be just as swift if the writers try to swing this franchise back to TOS. It’s just not going to work with a lot of the newer fans (and some older) that came into the franchise for the new stuff. Very few people will want to see redundancy. I really hope that review is just a joke by some guy/girl with too much time on their hands.

459. John from Cincinnati - April 23, 2013

The producers of STID have really crossed the line! They have the audacity to put a Star Trek villain in their Star Trek movie! The nerve!

LOL

This will be the highest grossing Star Trek movie of all time

460. THX-1138 - April 23, 2013

#456

I’ll be glad to assist you. I didn’t go on a rant. Perhaps that word does not mean what you think it means. But I will help you with understanding my position.

I, too, went to Trek 09 and bought the Bluray. But I had problems with the concept of the AU since it was first revealed. I didn’t like it then and I still don’t like it. I have said all along that Trek 09 is fine as an action flick but to me it remains STINO. I have never insulted another poster who liked the movie. But I also haven’t let any of them off the hook for being D-Bags to other people just because they didn’t share the same view.

Way back in the long ago time, when the rumor mill started swirling, back when it was revealed that there was some thought to putting a shot of the Botany Bay into the end credits of Trek 09 I felt that was the wrong direction to go. Fresh starts and all. Let’s not retread everything that came before. Do your own films.

And then the Khan rumors started swirling. I posted here that I thought it was a bad idea. We had already two darn good Khan stories. How about an adventure in this new AU that wasn’t covering the same ground? And now it seems that is just what has come to pass, if as I mentioned, the advance word is true. So I am all of a sudden supposed to embrace this plot for the movie? No. I don’t dig it. I trust that in the coming weeks the plot holes will be exposed and the flaws of this movie will be layed bare.

You seem to be the one that has a problem with me. I know that you are probably not a new poster and have chosen to goof on my screen name to try to give your own posts some credibility. Good luck.

BTW, can you help a brother out? Where was this “rant” that you say I went on? Or is lucid commentary and opinion now considered a rant?

461. THX-1138 - April 23, 2013

And BB, thank you. You are indeed a fine example of a person that can have a differing view-point and not have to stoop to being insulting. I should hope to aspire to your generous attitude on this site. I am kind of a jerk.

462. INS - April 23, 2013

By the way, that picture of Spock I referenced came from the video of John Harrison’s message to Spock. Does anyone know if there is an English translation out yet?

463. Basement Blogger - April 23, 2013

@ 461

You haven’t read what Trekkiegal63 said about me. :-) Let’s just say I find Alice Eve beautiful in that bikini. Got to find a cure for my maleness.

464. THX-1138 - April 23, 2013

How could you help it, BB. Sorry, but as heterosexual males we are sort of wired like that. The woman is stunning and that pic does nothing to discourage our gaze.

465. VOODOO - April 23, 2013

Let me preface this by saying I have not seen this film yet.

That said, if some of these spoilers are true I will be more than a little disappointed. Just doesn’t seen to be the way to go…Fingers crossed that these reports are wrong.

466. Disinvited - April 23, 2013

#464. THX-1138 – April 23, 2013

Now there’s a philosophical discussion worthy of STAR TREK: “Is There No Turn On In Beauty?”

Not everything I find beautiful turns me on. But everything that “stimulates” me I find attractive and therefore conclude is beautiful. But is that ultimately true? Is there some abstract pure concept of beauty outside of happy neurons? Is there more than one type of beauty beyond the archetype?

I believe there is a variety of beauty but right now it’s a warm lazy afternoon where I am and I think I’ll explore the beauty of rest.

467. Damian - April 23, 2013

398–Agree. I’ve read some of the spoiler reviews (I can’t help myself–I ruined Star Trek VI for myself by reading the novel first–at a time when the books actually came out a few days before the movie). Hugely disappointed by the villain choice. Another retread. And the tribble thing, I’m with you there? I won’t insult anyone’s intelligence, I’ll go see it. I have to. I’m a hard core fan who loved Nemesis, Insurrection and Star Trek V (though to varying degrees). The only thing I might think about is whether to spend the extra bucks on 3D based on reviews of the 3D. If it’s well done I’ll go for it.

I’ll try to keep an open mind, but if some of the spoilers are true, it will be a letdown.

Seems I may have been wrong on 2 things, the villain and Section 31 being involved (I never thought they’d bring in as a plot device something from the spin-offs, I thought for sure that outside of some Easter eggs, they’d pretend the spin-offs never happened).

468. Endeavour crew - April 23, 2013

Hey Bob, remember that cult hit from the 70’s…….. UFO?

It was kind of like Space1999 meets the Thunderbirds. Anyways, would you consider writing a reboot of that?

And of course, thanks for STID……..bout’ time a Dreadnought showed up…

Been waiting for one ever since I saw a Franz Joseph Starfleet ship poster back in the early 80’s on the wall of a hobby shop!

469. Disinvited - April 23, 2013

Don’t know why, maybe the afternoon warmth, but Karl Urban seems to bear a striking resemblance to Jim Parsons in that bridge shot. He could play Dr. Cooper’s father.

470. somethoughts - April 23, 2013

I think the only wish that was not granted was for the movie to be 2hrs30mins+ ty again boborci ;) you are awesome

471. MelyBelle44 - April 23, 2013

I will be quite honest. When I first saw the official trailer, my instinct was that it was He who must not be named (and no, not Voldy), and I didn’t hate the idea. At the time, I was wondering if it was misdirection. Like they want us to think it’s him, so that we are shocked that it is someone else. Or was the misdirection misdirection? It really is him, so they make it obvious it is him so people assume it can’t be him. And so on and so forth. It was playing mind tricks with me, and I kind of liked it. I resigned myself that I didn’t mind if it was him, as long as with the new timeline he had a different backstory, all new lore, I could roll with it.

But, then I started getting sucked into all the theories: could he be Johnny from the dirt road? Sybok? My personal favorite, Mirror Universe young Jean Luc Picard? A baddie in the Prime universe turned goodie in this universe? There were so many COOL ideas. I think I psyched myself up that we were going to get some major moment, like “Holy crap, they just blew up Vulcan” moment.

But, even if the villain is HWMNBN, after seeing Alcatraz wiped out and Shall we begin? and the Dreadnaught ship completely dwarfing the Enterprise, I was cool with whoever the villain was. Heck, they could have resurrected Nero as a British bad guy and I would be totally okay with it, as awesome as the movie looked.

My disappointment isn’t in the villain. I mean, I would have been more pumped, sure, if it had turned out to be some crazy out of left field person. But, to hear that it basically follows the same plot. And tribbles, for God’s sakes. Tribbles? I think they lost me at tribbles. Putting TOS things in arbitrarily just to have TOS things linked to the AU. Meh.

472. somethoughts - April 23, 2013

#380

But bob the nibiru mermaids surely will see the enterprise!

473. Keachick - April 23, 2013

i have also read the threads on the IMDb message board for STID. One thread running asks if this poster Kaz is not trolling.

As far as I can tell, all information relevant (including any spoilers) to the Star Trek movie and Sydney premiere has been posted here at Trekmovie.

Is that correct, Anthony?

474. mcflycat - April 23, 2013

Khan….? More like Yawn. All these great Star Trek villains to explore and they go with Khan. Could of at least explored some of the other eugenics leaders if you wanted to go down that path, but whatever, A British Khan coooooooooooooool…

welp. Guess I’ll have to wait for another Star Trek series to get new/interesting stories… sigh…

475. Anthony Pascale - April 24, 2013

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476. Jim Nightshade - April 24, 2013

disinvited 417….brilliant comments….u make perfect sense….i was 11 when trek premiered n i also remember watching n enjoying i spy….cosby was a bloody brilliant comedian n actor n black trailblazer for the 60s…..i had all his comedy albums n it would make total sense he could get away with it….cosby was brilliant yet again with the cosby show…and fat albert cartoon….he absolutely paved the tv way for black acceptance…so did uhuru to a lesser but still important extent…n for those who said she was eye candy n belittling gr for not making her role bigger…remember he had a female 2nd in command in the first pilot nbc made him get rid of that idea so if she was a woman and black what chance would he have had making her role bigger..not much….he did what he could way ahead of society for all the right reasons..

477. mcflycat - April 24, 2013

Hey, Everyone here that in the new Star Wars Darth Vaders voice in flashbacks is going to sound like Jerry Lewis!

478. Disinvited - April 24, 2013

#313. The Mighty Chip

If the crew’s that inexperienced, they have no hope against this new villain as the film’s marketing portrays him as worse than Nero.

Some heroes have greatness thrust upon them when they rise to the occasion. Let’s hope that’s the case.

479. Disinvited - April 24, 2013

#391. Tomar Re

I don’t think you can disparage Dolby Atmos until you’ve actually heard it. ;-)

#444. VOODOO

No, what’s not true at all is that you can account for all the disparities twix the decades’ box office grosses by simply adjusting for monetary inflation. This is why I said “at least”.

What’s better would be to know the actual nummber of tickets sold, but the studios don’t want that out because it hurts their marketing as those numbers are much smaller than grosses.

480. Disinvited - April 24, 2013

#476. Jim Nightshade.

Thanks for the feedback. I’m always concerned when I have to visit that decade that people might not see how Dr. Cosby and Dr. King brilliantly used bigotry’s own “logic” against itself to implode it.

481. Trekkiegal63 - April 24, 2013

*studiously ignores being ‘spoiled’ any further than I already am*

#463. Basement Blogger:

Why Basement Blogger, I’m touched that my words had such a profound impact on you. :)

In fact, you should know that you have also inspired me… to start my own blog… on sexism within pop culture. In fact, I created a post addressing this very topic! i.e. the ‘biology’ argument and how it’s used to absolve men of this lovely little thing called self-accountability.

Thank you for being such an effective muse. ;)

482. Helmi - April 24, 2013

I couldn’t concentrate because Karl Urban was too hot…ehm…I mean: wet! ;)

@146: You don’t know anything about women that are non-fictional, right? (Though I have to agree that in movies, unfortunatly, they are mostly pictured as the one-dimensional romantics you descriped)

483. Keachick - April 24, 2013

#481 – Wow. You really are obsessed. Not good – it seems that I am not the only one with *problems*…

Nobody is absolving anyone of anything. Accepting (without anger or resentment) who we/they are as men and women is what it is really about and the reality of our fundamental hardwired (procreative) biology. Our basic biology already sexually “objectifies” another person, one way or another. It is how a person handles that information is what matters. Just because a person may feel turned on by the sight of another whose hormones/pheromones may be in simpatico does not mean that the person has to always express that feeling, especially if it is in crude ways, eg wolf-whistling. They can choose not to say anything or express their interest/delight in a way that is good mannered and respectful.

BTW – something else – biology again – men who suddenly find themselves feeling sexually aroused for no obvious reason (as in they are not engaging in sexual daydreams…) could be because they have come close to a woman who may be in the middle of her menstrual cycle, ie she is about to, or is, ovulating. Her ovaries are pumping out large quantities of pheromones to attract a male – ie her uterus is saying, paraphrasing, “F*ck me! Impregnate me!” and the heterosexual male biology responds accordingly. Obviously, acting on this hardwired biological mandate (something formed over thousands of years to ensure the survival of the human species) is up to the individuals in their particular time, place and circumstance. Common sense must prevail and fortunately, most of the time, it does.

This is, once again, not an excuse for a man (or woman) to sexually assault/rape the other person.

As for the film rendering of these guys (Pine, Urban…) to be shown wearing tight wetsuits no doubt caused my own female hormones to spike just a little…:) I am a human heterosexual woman who knows what she likes…so be it!

484. Trekkiegal63 - April 24, 2013

#483 Keachick:

Anthony has warned us, twice now, to stop illiciting a fight with each other (i.e. the first two sentences of your post). You may want to get yourself banned, but please leave me out of it. It should be well beyond clear to both of us, by now, that we will never agree with each other, that we stand on complete opposite sides of the spectrum. For the sake of harmony within this forum (one of the reasons I started my blog was so I can vent my frustration in a setting where I don’t have to be mindful of forum guidelines, where I can discuss the existence of sexism within media – a very real and prevelent concern I have – as openly as I want to… perhaps you should do the same for your own perspective?) I do think perhaps we should agree to disagree and leave it at that.

Thank you. Have a great day.

485. Basement Blogger - April 24, 2013

@ 481

Trekkiegal63,

As Khan might say, “my old friend” I’m glad you started your own blog. And I did compliment you on your advocacy. As you know I believe in the marketplace of ideas from which truth and justice can spring forth. But we don’t agree on some important points.

I know you like to subject your films to the Bechdel test. Link. (Movie passes said test if two women have a conversation about something other than a man.) So if Dr. Marcus and Uhura talk about a way to save Kirk who say is about to be killed by John Harrison, would that violate the test? The way I read it, the answer is yes. The test is kind of radical, isn’t it?

Oh, I might buy the Playboy magazine with the J.J. Abrams interview. I will try to read the articles and not look at the pictures. :-)

Link. The Bechdel test.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bechdel_test

486. Basement Blogger - April 24, 2013

@ 483

Keachick,

“As for the film rendering of these guys (Pine, Urban…) to be shown wearing tight wetsuits no doubt caused my own female hormones to spike just a little…:) I am a human heterosexual woman who knows what she likes…so be it!”

YOU GO GIRL.

(DISCLAIMER. Um, to those who get upset with the term “girl”, I’m using an urban expression. In no way does my use of the term “girl” mean I believe that a women are girls. Sigh. Being PC is going to kill me. And i’m a liberal too.)

By the way, my fellow Trekkers, remember that there is only one mountain parrot in the world. It’s the Kea and it lives in New Zealand.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kea

487. Yanks - April 24, 2013

Well, I’m waiting for these “rumors” to be comfirmed on a real trek site.

I’m hoping they are all just smoke.

While it’s still probably going to be worth the watch, It will be disappointing if it’s Khan.

For crying out loud, they had a clean slate.

All Harrison needed to be was an augment.

Here’s to a glimmer of hope that there still is some imagination in Hollywood and Harrison doesn’t morph into Khan.

488. Trekkiegal63 - April 24, 2013

#485. Basement Blogger:

As you know I believe in the marketplace of ideas from which truth and justice can spring forth.

A subject for which we can agree. It’s nice to share values on something. This seems to be the day for discovering similarities.

The test is kind of radical, isn’t it?

I’m not disputing that, as few who have studied the Bechdel would. It is not an infallible test. Someone, on this forum in fact (wasn’t you… I think it was… LogicalLeopard maybe? Great guy!) brought up the fact that Crusher and Troi had a conversation in “Insurrection” regarding breasts. Such a conversation did, technically, pass the test though I’d hardly call it an intellectual conversation. But here’s the thing… the biggest impact garnered from the Bechdel test exists within its simplicity. It’s not meant to be infallible, it’s meant to be minimal. The requirements are so, so easy. A film must have a) more than one female character 2) who have a conversation and c) about something other than a man. And yet, so few films manage to pass such easy, simple measures… even by accident! The reason for this: male presence outnumbers female presence in film 3 to 1 (something Mr. Abrams, himself, admitted recently btw: http://www.news.com.au/technology/sci-tech/jj-abrams-admits-star-trek-into-darkness-a-bit-sexist/story-fn5fsgyc-1226627239282) and of those female protagonists who are shown, it’s seldom within the same film, and of those, the lives of the female protagonists seem to revolve mostly around their relationship… to a man. The implication? Women relate to each other, if they relate to each other at all, by talking about… wait for it… men. Which, is rather far from reality. As well as a bit… stereotypical and insulting.

For example: my best friend and I met for dinner the other night and our primary discussion centered around comparing/contrasting our healthcare benefit packages for our respective employers, since we’re both going through an open enrollment currently. ;)

But it comes down to this, test or no test, you have your belief system, I have mine. And as I recently pointed out on my blog in a nod to basic, undergrad, Psych 101… you cannot change anyone (else)… though we do all live in hope that something we say might spark someone else into examining the subject for themselves, on their own time, and coming to their own realizations regarding it.

489. Phil - April 24, 2013

@487. Keep waiting. In the meantime you can be entertained by the lady from down under trying to breath life into her ‘Naked Star Trek Jacuzzi Party’ outline…..

490. THX-1138 - April 24, 2013

I dig chicks.

*ducks*

491. Keachick - April 24, 2013

Wow, Phil, is that all you remember of the brief short story outline? Oh dear…

On a more positive note, maybe Bob Orci did use this jacuzzi idea, as in the characters getting wet and looking rather sexy at the same time. Oh dear, if this is the case, then I guess Chris Pine and co. may not be very happy with me…what with all that neoprene and baby powder.

Oh well, Chris, Karl, Zoe…it’s all for a good cause. Your efforts are applauded.

There is no reason why our heroes could not been seen in a more or less naked state in a jacuzzi on the new space station in the next Star Trek movie due out 2016. No need for neoprene or baby powder!

Bad Robot and the Supreme Court – do it, do it, do it!!!

492. Phil - April 24, 2013

Nah, it did serve as a painful reminder about how bad fan fiction generally tends to be. If it’s any consolation, I’m aware of a few people who have been chatting up fake spoilers, and the naked Jacuzzi party has served nicely as a springboard for Kirk and Spock to discover each other….

It’s fun, fake, and at least we can admit that…

493. Keachick - April 24, 2013

It’s all FAKE, Phil…

494. Phil - April 24, 2013

You just have no concept of context, do you…………..

495. Red Dead Ryan - April 24, 2013

Oh, no! Not more of Keachick’s lame fan-fiction! God…..

496. Tiger - April 25, 2013

@487 Prepare to be disappointed then because its all true! Denial is a dish served cold!

And Anthony I know you said no more spoilers, but look where the conversation has dwindled to?

497. Basement Blogger - April 25, 2013

@ 488

Trekkiegal63,

The problem with radicalism is that it is own tyrannical system. First, I don’t think that anyone would dispute that two women have conversations in the real world. But to force a rule that says the conversation in a film between two women about something other than a man forces the writer to put something in a movie that may not be organic. If a movie fails the Bechdel test, does it make it sexist? I say no. Back to my example, if Dr. Carol Marcus and Uhura talk about a way to save Captain Kirk from John Harrison then it fails this radical test. But it’s not sexist for Dr. Marcus and Uhura to talk about saving a human who just happens to be a male. The problem with the test is that it eliminates one half of humanity, men. This test only gives ammunition to to right wingers who think feminists are men haters.

Equality for women will not come by eliminating men from the conversation. It comes from the day when women will get the same pay as men for the same work. It comes from the day that men understand women have the freedom to control their own bodies. It comes when men believe that women can do the jobs that men have kept from them. And that day will come when we get our first woman president in 2016. .

I believe in freedom. Freedom of thought. Forcing art to comply with a test is tyrannical. It can force the artist to follow ideas that she does not believe in. That is its own form of censorship.

498. mcflycat - April 25, 2013

A British Khan? My first thoughts…

http://imgur.com/vIOIhNy

499. Phil - April 25, 2013

Nah, there is plenty to discuss…

Star Trek shuttle restored..
http://news.yahoo.com/original-star-trek-galileo-shuttlecraft-restored-loving-fans-105444871.html

Early IM3 reviews have been spectacularly good. Some speculation now that it could be a 2 Billion movie – will this erode box office for STID?

Non-spoilery reviews for STID have been mostly positive, but the spoiler ones suggest the writers and producers may have gone off the rails here. Is this a bad or good thing?

Spock’s ‘needs of the many’ quote seems really out of place. Knowing full well that Enterprise was probably seen by someone on their trip into the ocean, why is it suddenly an issue if someone sees it on the way out?

Hell, we can even discuss shitty fan fiction if you like. K/S romance has been around for years, if that’s your thing…

See, plenty to talk about….

500. Trekkiegal63 - April 25, 2013

#497. Basement Blogger:

The purpose of the test is not ‘force’ anyone to do anything. The purpose of the test is education. It was created by Allison Bechdel to, as your own wikipedia link, points out:

“…the Bechdel test is used to identify gender bias in fiction.”

It ties in to the last paragraph from my previous post. No one can force a belief onto anyone (who doesn’t allow that belief to be forced upon them). You cannot change anyone (else). What you can do is point things out, i.e. educate, and hope a spark ignites. You are confusing the issue entirely.

Her point was, and still is, this: women are predominantly shown in film by their relation to men. They’re seldom ‘allowed’ by the industry to be shown outside of that (http://thehathorlegacy.com/why-film-schools-teach-screenwriters-not-to-pass-the-bechdel-test/). The article I just linked was written by a former student whose major in college was, at one point, script writing. She was told by her professors, and I quote from the article:

Only to learn there was still something wrong with my writing, something unanticipated by my professors. My scripts had multiple women with names. Talking to each other. About something other than men. That, they explained nervously, was not okay. I asked why. Well, it would be more accurate to say I politely demanded a thorough, logical explanation that made sense for a change (I’d found the “audience won’t watch women!” argument pretty questionable, with its ever-shifting reasons and parameters).

At first I got several tentative murmurings about how it distracted from the flow or point of the story. I went through this with more than one professor, more than one industry professional. Finally, I got one blessedly telling explanation from an industry pro: “The audience doesn’t want to listen to a bunch of women talking about whatever it is women talk about.”

So by your definition of ‘forcing’ perspective on creative outlet, would you not argue that this film student was being forced to not pass the Bechdel Test?! The problem with your ‘let creative juices run as they will’ theory is that is not what is happening, only its going the other way… women writers, who are few and far between in Hollywood to begin with btw (http://www.seejane.org/research/) are having their creativity dampened by being coerced not to pass the Bechdel!

The implication this male dominant view (i.e. films go out of their way not to pass the Bechdel) has is this: a) women’s lives revolve around men to the exclusion of all else, b) a woman is only interesting to the audience if she has a man in her life.

And when the women in Hollywood protest this, like the film student above, or try to go against the grain (aka feature a Disney Princess not interested in finding a ‘prince’) like Brenda Chapman, formally of Pixar, they get fired for it (the irony there is that Pixar ended up using her storyboard for “Brave” anyway). Is this not ‘dampening creativity’?

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/may/25/entertainment/la-et-women-animation-sidebar-20110525

Whether you intended this or not, your argument here is not about ‘fighting for artists to express themselves as they will’… what you’re fighting for here is for the continuation of the coerced repression of women in Hollywood by the current AND protected, at all costs, patriarchal system.

Also, btw, you’re using a fallacy of logic in your argument.

You said:

Equality for women will not come by eliminating men from the conversation.

You’re assuming here that those who point out that so few films pass the Bechdel want *all* conversations between women to be about things other than men and that nobody can use a conversation between women about a man to enhance the plot of a film, ever, as a result. That’s ridiculous and a straw man. No one said it has to be all or nothing, just that the inclusion of some conversations between women about things other than men would be nice (which, we don’t even get a fraction of half, let alone any set number), as men do with each other about things other than women, but that’s not even the overall issue the Bechdel points out… The overall issue? Women make-up 51% of the overall population, and according to the MPAA we buy half the movie tickets (in 2009 and 2010 we bought more than half!) and our presence in film is less than that of men on a scale of 3 to 1. So few films pass even the first requirement of the Bechdel, let alone the second or third!

In other words, thank you, Allison Bechdel, for creating a test that points out what should be obvious to everybody but it took a test to make people realize… there is gender bias in media.This needs to change. Not ‘dampening the creative artist’ by firing working females for the audacity of creating strong female protagonists or trying to actively repress the ideas of female film students would be a good start.

501. Basement Blogger - April 25, 2013

@ 500

Trekkiegal63,

Before Anthony comes over here and warns both of us, you need to stop putting words in my mouth. You said this,

“Whether you intended this or not, your argument here is not about ‘fighting for artists to express themselves as they will’… what you’re fighting for here is for the continuation of the coerced repression of women in Hollywood by the current AND protected, at all costs, patriarchal system.”

I am not fighing t for the “coerced repression of women in Hollywood.” You continually attack me with ad hominem attacks. Before, you’ve called me a sexist. And just think, I didn’t even get to call you any anything. :-)

Second, as Keachick (@ 483) pointed out you are obsessed. Again, I PRAISE you for your advocacy. BUT THIS IS A STAR TREK WEBSITE. . Anthony, our leader, doesn’t like it when the topics get political. Using this website to proselytize a political viewpoint is frowned upon. Trust me on that one as I have been a regular here since 2010. And by the way being facetious is not against the rules. They would have banned Harry Ballz a long time ago. (That’s a regular. So don’t think I made that up.) Now I will wait for a obsessive, gigantic response.

502. Victor Von Doom - April 25, 2013

Lets say that Harrison turns out to be “he who shall remain namless”, I don’t see the problem. So Christopher Nolan using the Joker in his sequel was a lack of originality? Khan was the most popular villian in Star Trek lore. Wrath of Khan is considered the best Trek film of that era. Its a cult classic. it is kind of a no brainer the direction they were headed. This notion that they were not original is nonsense. Orci and Kurtzman take a lot of crap from you moronic fanboys and you trek “purists” who think that if its not Roddenberry then somehow its not authentic. That is a joke. Paramount is not interested in your desire to see some esoteric sci fi talking to whales and probes type of film. Not interested in the discovery of a toaster that makes us see the humanity in us all. Paramount wants an action sci fi franchise. One not beholden to over 300 years of continuity and at times inconsistency. Get over it. Mr. Atoz ain’t walking through that door!

Neros incursion created an alternate reality thus creating a vastly different world. For example the destruction of Vulcan changed everything. A great power and influence in the Federation was removed. Orci said in an interview that the incursion did not just alter time but it also altered the technology as well. My point is that becuase of the incursion, there were events that happened and then there were events that did not happen or they did not happen as they did in the Prime Universe. For example, someone else may have discovered the Botany Bay. T’Pring may have died when Vulcan exploded. Neros incursion pretty much wiped out Balance of Terror.

The crybaby antics over lack of originality are shortsighted and stupid which means you did not pay attention to the last film that came out. You sat there and nitpicked and whined about what Gene would have done and how dare they blow up Vulcan and how dare they blah blah blah.

503. Mel - April 25, 2013

“A film must have a) more than one female character 2) who have a conversation and c) about something other than a man.”

I could easily name a few movies, which don’t fulfill this test. Star Trek 2009 barely manage to past it, thanks to the conversation between Uhura and Gaila, while both were in their underwear.

Now a little change:

“A film must have a) more than one male character 2) who have a conversation and c) about something other than a woman.”

I can’t think of any movie, which don’t past this test. Anyone else know one?

504. Disinvited - April 25, 2013

#502. Victo Von Doom

Go for hyperbole, much?

Ways destruction of Vulcan didn’t change “everything”:

Entire on screen antics of tv’s ENTERPRISE still part of its past.

Earth still revolves around sun.

Sol is not red giant.

V’ger and Whale Probe still coming.

Edith Keeler lived and died in an auto accident.

etc..

505. Trekkiegal63 - April 25, 2013

#501. Basement Blogger:

LOL, in other words, obsession and ‘you’re not allowed to get political’ = you care about this more than I do and I’m sick of hearing about it. Gotcha. I will drop the subject for now. ;)

There are a lot of women concerned about sexism, bringing it up on a Trek site, a franchise that has had its share of sexism in the past, by the admission of its current producer/director no less, is not exactly comparing apples to oranges. I did point you to an article yesterday where an Australian reporter asked Abrams about the existence of sexism within Star Trek (http://www.news.com.au/technology/sci-tech/jj-abrams-admits-star-trek-into-darkness-a-bit-sexist/story-fn5fsgyc-1226627239282) and he admitted that yes, sexism in Trek exists. In fact, here is second article for you that was released following ST2009: (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/may/11/star-trek-jjabrams-sexism) on the same topic. Since journalists are reporting on it and asking these questions, the topic is very much relevant to Star Trek.

At least, we can definitely discern that it is a question on more than one Trekkie’s mind.

BTW: Not trying to start an argument with you but I honestly wasn’t attacking you. I said “whether you intended this” which I meant to imply that you might not be aware of the wider implications of your statements. Which is exactly why I provided links. To educate you on the matter, so, in the future, if you decide to engage in a similar discussion, you will have a wider girth of knowledge on the subject from which to draw before you make statements like the one you did again. But take from that what you will. Like I said, I can’t change your mind for you, I can only provide you the tools to understand the undercurrent of sexism within Hollywood a little better than you went in understanding it this time.

It’s pretty clear anything I say, at this point, you’ll take as a personal attack regardless of whether its meant to be or not. So if you were right in anything, it is that now is probably a good time to stop, as you’re not prepared to look beyond ‘Trekkiegal63 is a woman on a mission’ to actually hear what I’m actually trying to say here about sexism. In other words, this isn’t about me, or any obsession I may have with the subject of sexism, the totality of the issue is much, much larger than either you or I.

Regardless, I meant you no ill will. Have a great day.

506. Anthony Pascale - April 25, 2013

ADMIN NOTE

There are a few posters who seem to write epic posts with tons of links, etc. Unfortunately the system often flags these as potential spam forcing moderators to review them. So please find a way to be more concise. I have found the more you write, the less people read.

507. Trekkiegal63 - April 25, 2013

#503 Mel:

Well said. :)

508. b - April 25, 2013

@ 505

Trekkiegal63,

In the words of John Mason (Sean Connery) from the movie, “The Rock” (1996)

“Thank you for making my point..” (See my last line @ 501.)

509. Basement Blogger - April 25, 2013

Oops, sorry TrekMovie.com. My handle didn’t come out in 508. Anyway, let’s get back to Star Trek and politics! ;-) Seriously, back to the Prime Directive featured in the above clip.

I’ve always viewed the Prime Directive as Gene Roddenberry’s stance against super power meddling in the Third World. Trying to find articles with interviews where the Great Bird of the Galaxy ( GR) says that. Are there any other metaphorical points made by the Prime Directive?

510. Phil - April 25, 2013

@509. Probably not that broad a brush – it was probably more of a reaction to the conflict in Viet Nam, though in the Trek universe apparently the Federation wasn’t above meddling in an up and coming society if they discovered the Klingons were also meddling. The Prime Directive sounds fine, but you also need to recognize that if a neighboring adversary doesn’t share that view, some meddling may be in order.

511. Phil - April 25, 2013

@491. Sorry, Rose, it looks like Bob didn’t embrace your vision for Full Frontal Trek. The ratings for STID don’t mention nudity, so whatever vision you have for Kirk and Spock will continue to be the domain of fan fiction into the foreseeable future….

512. Basement Blogger - April 25, 2013

@ 509

Phil, the TOS “A Private Little War” supports your view. Boy, do I feel old. Remember The Smothers Brothers getting in trouble with their views on the Viet Nam War? Yet, Star Trek could offer a viewpoint and get away with it because it was metaphorical.

We need Bob Orci over here to tell his views on the Prime Directive.

513. Trekkiegal63 - April 25, 2013

#509 Basement Blogger:

Uh huh, and you accuse me of ad hominem usage? Bit of an obsession in and of itself to continue to harp on me after we mutually agreed to quit discussing the topic at large, isn’t it? In fact, you were the first one who mentioned me by name in this thread and then you seem determined to continue to take pot shots, after requesting the conversation cease, no less. What, exactly, is with that, if I may ask? And why do you feel that you’re allowed to do what you call others out for doing? Calling someone obsessed because they have an informed and passionate position on a political matter relevant to modern times (and their gender demographic and the gender demographic of their only child) is hardly complimentary. Thus ad hominem.

514. Keachick - April 25, 2013

No, the fact that there may not be full frontal nudity in Star Trek is due to MPAA ratings and how they can affect negatively or otherwise, box office receipts. We have no idea what Bob (Orci’s?) view on healthy nakedness in film is.

Anyway I have always intuited that more males *get off* on the sights and sounds of big weaponry, battles, explosions, brutal combat than they might when seeing acts of sexual love. In fact, on the IMDb message board for STID, a male poster actually admitted such and I doubt he is the only one. It is why gore and violence are much more common place than scenes of sensuality and where humans are glimpsed at in their own real flesh and blood selves. Male testosterone – responsible for male aggression and sexual arousal – just merge the two into one response. That is why war has always been so popular.

This is also why so many people find it so bothersome to see anything reminding them of the reality of humanity’s remarkable, yet fragile, physicality – they might start to find a conscience!

Females were just breeding factories there to churn out replacement sons. Never mind – if the Observers become our future (as presented in Fringe), the human female will have been done away pretty much altogether. Conception via petri dish and gestation via an artificial womb. No women. No sex. No Love either.

China and India have already started working towards that end – with abortion/infanticide of female infants reaching epidemic proportions.

You may scoff/laugh now, Phil, at my lame fanfic presenting daft ideas and situations that seem to cut across the prevailing tide.
I guess it could be about being careful about what we *wish* for…

515. Red Dead Ryan - April 25, 2013

#514.

Boy, you just can’t seem to stop lecturing us, eh, Keachick?

Honestly, reading your posts is like listening to a broken record.

On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on……..

516. Keachick - April 25, 2013

I guess you are unable to discuss the ideas I present, hence the continual complaining about how my posts “lecture” people, on and on and on and on, just listening to a broken record…complaining is so much easier, isn’t it?

517. Phil - April 25, 2013

@516. I can’t recall anyone ever having a discussion with you. It’s just about you, and why everyone else is wrong. I’ve watched people bend over backwards to at least be accommodating, and you continue to attack them. There seem to be only two types of people in your universe, those enlightened few who agree with you, and the rest of us Neanderthals…

518. Phil - April 25, 2013

@516. Actually, on the re-read of post 514…were you trying to be that f**king condescending, or you just can’t help yourself? If that is your understanding of conflict, foreign policy, and of service, that it’s nothing more then one big circle jerk for the male population, you have an incredibly infantile understanding of human nature.

519. Unwanted - April 26, 2013

@514. That may be the single most offensive thing I have ever read, as a male, a human being, and family member of multiple soldiers of both genders. Get help.

520. Basement Blogger - April 26, 2013

@ 513

Trekkiegal63,

I’m gong to guess from now on you will attribute anything to me you want whether it’s true or not. You say this, “Bit of an obsession in and of itself to continue to harp on me after we mutually agreed to quit discussing the topic at large, isn’t it? ”

WRONG AGAIN. I don’t remember agreeing to quit discussing the topic. And I’m not the only one who says your’re obsessed. Keachick also says you’re obsessed. See @ 483. Additionally all I said in 508 is that you made my point. That being you would write a long, obsessive response. @ 501. And guess what? You did. See @ 505 with links.

THIS IS A STAR TREK WEBSITE. LET’S TALK STAR TREK. You want to discuss Star Trek with me. Let’s do it. The above clip featured the Prime Directive. I can name two TOS episodes where the Prime Directive is a metaphor where Gene Roddenberry is voicing his protests of what the super powers were doing. “A Private Little War.” “The Omega Glory.” My view on The Omega Glory is changing. I think it’s deeper than I first remember it.

WHAT IS YOUR VIEW OF “THE OMEGA GLORY?”

521. Trekkiegal63 - April 26, 2013

#520 Basement Blogger:

LOL! Okay. Whatever.

BTW: Keachick has an axe to grind. I told her in the Pine goes to Japan with Abrams and Cumberbatch thread that her comments towards Chris Pine sometimes border on obsessive (she posted the name of the neighborhood the actor lives in for all and sundry to see and I didn’t think Mr. Pine would appreciate that) and she’s never let me forget it since. Tip for you, that last thread, the Alice Eve one? Not the first time Anthony has had to intervene between the two of us. In this thread, with her comment on obsessive behavior? She was being vengeful, no more, no less.

WRONG AGAIN. I don’t remember agreeing to quit discussing the topic.

Hmmm, so when you said this, then:

Anthony, our leader, doesn’t like it when the topics get political. Using this website to proselytize a political viewpoint is frowned upon.

… what you meant was that *I* couldn’t address the topic of sexism, but you get carte blanche to continue to call me obsessive for speaking out against sexism and posting links meant to educate because you, though I know you did it unknowingly, made an insensitive statement about artists being ‘free’ to do what they will with their art, even though women artists aren’t free, they’re being actively subjugated?

Again I say, whatever.

And I’m not the only one who says your’re obsessed. Keachick also says you’re obsessed.

See reference to Keachick above. Also, since when do two wrongs make a right? So because Keachick insulted me, it’s totally okay for you to do it, too?

Bottom-line, calling someone ‘obsessed’ is not a compliment, especially in the context in which you used it. You were being insulting. Which fits the definition of an ad hominem attack. However you try to rationalize it, at the end of a day a spade is a spade.

WHAT IS YOUR VIEW OF “THE OMEGA GLORY?”

I love the Omega Glory. In fact, I’m convinced it was the episode that inspired ST: Insurrection, only OG did the allegory better. It was clear, in the episode, that Tracey’s violation of the Prime Directive was not at all justified, as the search for immortality, or, in this case, a longer lifespan, is never used in fiction to ‘redeem’ a character – in fact most fictional characters in search of ‘longevity’ are almost always antagonists (that Tracey chose the ‘communist’ side to furnish modern weapons to was undoubtedly used to illustrate that Tracey picked the ‘wrong side’, since the 60’s was the height of the Cold War, thus making the message that his violation of the Prime Directive here as a BAD THING even more clear to the audience). Roddenberry wasn’t trying to be subtle about the message he was trying to convey when he penned the episode. But then, he didn’t need to be. The point, as ever, was a poignant one. Perhaps there are justifiable reasons to break the Prime Directive, Tracey’s lust for longevity and his desire to be branded a hero by the Federation was not one of them, as it centered on selfishness and greed, and lost many people their lives.

522. Dr. Cheis - April 26, 2013

I was going to skip watching this until they added a mission to scan it in the app. :-P

523. Basement Blogger - April 27, 2013

@ 521

Trekkiegal63,

LOL. I’m guessing you don’t know how to be brief. (See your posts 500, 505) I’m also guessing you didn’t read Anthony’s post at 506. I’ll just say I don’t agree with your assessment of me. But as you say, “Whatever.” But this is a Star Trek site so let’s discuss The Prime Directive and The Omega Glory.

I used to hate “The Omega Glory.” I thought it was the patriotism was way over the top and if you watch the end, William Shatner really hams it up with the last speech. But I’ve watched it again and now have a more positive view of it.

It’s a Gene Roddenberry script. And I agree with you that it’s not subtle. There, we agree on something. The Yangs who are Yankees, and the Comms who are Communists are an explicit and too obvious a reference to the sixties Cold War. There’s a racial component here too. The Yangs are Caucasians and the Comms are Asians.

But it’s the Yangs that intrigue me. Roddenberry makes them out to be savages, almost cavemen. They worship the literal Constitution and the American flag. It’s a blind patriotism. See “Arena.” It’s blind since the Yangs don’t understand the ideas in the Constitution. Kirk lectures them on the meaning and then tells them it must apply to the Comms also. Ahhh, the sixties. It’s equality among races. Bravo Great Bird of the Galaxy.

The Prime Directive. If young Kirk above doesn’t buy into the Prime Directive, in this episode a more mature Kirk is now a true believer. Okay, he kind of violates it at the end but rationalizes it. There’s got to be exceptions, right? Regardless, this another show which demonstrates GR’s disdain for super power meddling.

Side note. Spock’s ESP. Spock uses what looks like Vulcan ESP to get a woman to activate a communicator. It might be the first time we’ve seen that. Can’t think of a prior episode.

524. Keachick - April 28, 2013

trekkiegal – My axe is nowhere as big as yours.

As for my comments about Chris Pine’s residence etc, that information can be easily found by googling. Not only that, in one of the latest magazine articles, the suburb where he lives was mentioned, not doubt written with his permission. You don’t know what he might or might not like. In fact, I doubt that many people do, because he tends to be reticent at times, but not about where he lives or the model car he drives…but then again, only an “obsessive” like myself would know this stuff, unlike yourself, who is only too happy to make totally uninformed assumptions about another person.

Boy, you are really something. You consider that I insulted you by referring to you as being “obsessed”. Yet, you think it quite OK to suggest that I and two other posters should seek professional help for our “pathology” and quote psychologists etc to back up your assertions. The reality is that no true professional would dream of making the kind of diagnosis you attempted to make here on this site. They would have got their licenses to practice pulled. You are cheeky.
As for Phil’s comments – crap.

Some males could take offense at what I wrote and rightly so, because it does not reflect who they are or could be at all. However, what about the other males now and throughout world history?

525. Trekkiegal63 - April 29, 2013

#524 Keachick:

*so amused, I’m sorry, but I am*

LOL! OMG, did you really just compare your fascination with a celebrity and a shippers’ fascination with a fictional romance (there is a reason J.K. Rowling calls shipping “scary and vehement cyber gang warfare”… that’s a direct quote from the author, btw, didn’t make that up. Google it and you’ll find why, but here’s a hint, a ‘ship’ war got so ugly it made such news venues as the San Francisco Chronicle) with a real life political movement that affects 51% of the population of America (aka women)?

Tip for you: there are no actors, actresses or fictional characters on any of the monies here in the US, but Susan B. Anthony who was part of the suffrage movement and was once jailed for voting? She has her own coin.

In all of your bluster and you’re attacking of me for espousing feminist ideals have you ever wondered why that may be the case?

Sexism is real. And has been fought against here in the U.S. since the Quaker days of Lucretia Mott (google her, too, while you’re at it, increasing one’s knowledge is always a good thing) up until now.

Because it still exists, you see. In many, many forms.

And not at all correspondingly, because the two cannot be compared by any stretch of the imagination but there are also reasons that psychologists have conducted the studies they have to officially diagnose fannish behavior taken to extreme degrees. Don’t believe me? Fine. Google it yourself. Do your own research. Or you can continue to think the behavior is entirely normal. Whatever. Don’t care. It’s your life, you do what you want with it.

*I* do care about sexism though, and will continue to speak out against it, with or without your approval, which I don’t need because you know why? At the end of the day, what I say about your preoccupation with Chris Pine shouldn’t affect you one iota. You don’t know me and I don’t know you. We live on opposite sides of the globe, in different countries, living different lives. In fact, based on our conversations, I’d say the only thing you and I have in common? Gender, Star Trek and we’re both wives and mothers. Other than that, we are nothing alike. It shouldn’t matter to you what *I* think of your love of Pine.

Likewise, your views on feminism? I don’t care. It may be a bit blunt to state it like that, but there it is. I lost all patience with you eons ago.

On that note, I am done with these types of conversations with you. They never go anywhere near productive. Any future attempts on your part to bring the topic up again, or to attack me the way you did in post #483 will be ignored.

However, should you desire to have a pleasant, civilized conversation, on a topic that doesn’t place us at each others proverbial throats, then I’m all ears.

You have a nice day now.

526. Trekkiegal63 - April 29, 2013

#523 Basement Blogger:

I wouldn’t say an older Kirk was fully committed to the Prime Directive. Or, perhaps the better way to put it was he was committed, when it didn’t threaten his crew or the success of a mission or when he was calling someone else out for its violation, i.e. “Bread and Circuses”.

i.e. he ‘rationalized’ his way around it rather a lot, lol.

For example, off the top of my head (and there are probably a lot I’m forgetting right now but it’s late here and I had an insanely busy weekend): “The Apple”, “The Cloud Minders”, “Errand of Mercy” and “A Taste of Armegeddon”.

In fact, if I’m remembering correctly, when Spock tried to remind Kirk of the PD in “The Apple” didn’t Kirk brush it off with a glib reply? (It’s time for another TOS marathon, it’s been long enough that I forget what Kirk said exactly but I remember him being just kinda ‘yeah, and?’ about it).

527. Keachick - April 29, 2013

I am well aware that real sexism exists.

trekkiegal – you are a mean so-n-so who is rude about the fact that someone openly admits an affection for an actor/character. How does acknowledging my affection and interest in Chris Pine/Kirk hurt anyone?

I guess my only *crime* is to wear my “heart on my sleeve” occasionally. Wow.

Have fun being a snot toward some other person who dares to profess interest in an actor/character and take your two buddies, Red Dead Ryan and Phil with you.

I couldn’t give a shit whose face ends up on coins which can easily end up in places that people would rather not know about.

UGH!

528. Keachick - April 29, 2013

I have attempted to be polite and civilized, but you keep shoving your agenda down everyone’s throat and were the first to get rude and personal with myself and two other posters.

529. Phil - April 29, 2013

TrekkieGal…let it go. Rose, at her core, is a teen aged girl with the hots for an actor. Nothing more. Say something bad about her boy, and she goes ape shit on you – it has nothing to do with reason or logic, just infatuation, and in her case a touch of denial. As odd as it sounds, if she would just be up front with it, instead of rationalizing it, I suspect people would leave her alone.

A good portion of western society knows there is work to do to combat bigotry and sexism. Deal with those people, and leave the fangirls alone. You will be a better person for it…

530. Trekkiegal63 - April 29, 2013

#529 Phil:

Oh I agree. Wholeheartedly. I fully intend to never have this conversation with Rose again. It was old ten(+) trekmovie articles ago (probably longer) and despite the fact that I keep responding to her (I will stop doing that) I’m well aware by this point that arguing with her by use of reason and reality is an exercise of frustration and futility.

531. Basement Blogger - April 29, 2013

@ 526

Trekkiegal63,

You have a good memory. I forgot about those episodes, “The Apple” etc. Two of those that you mention are very interesting when it comes to the Prime Directive. “Bread and Circuses” features Scotty coming up with a unique solution. I mean he could have laid waste to the whole planet. to save the landing party. But he didn’t want to violate the Prime Directive. And in a “Taste of Armageddon” , Kirk violates the PD..

It’s my hope that non-Trekkers will get the concept of the Prime Directive.
That comes down to proper exposition by the writers. We’ll see.

532. Trekkiegal63 - April 29, 2013

#531 Basement Blogger:

It’s my hope that non-Trekkers will get the concept of the Prime Directive.
That comes down to proper exposition by the writers. We’ll see.

Agreed 100%.

533. Phil - April 29, 2013

I’d expect that the foreign market would be a bit more dialed into the notion of the Prime Directive. While most non-Americans generally (I’m trying real hard to avoid a sweeping blanket statement here) understand and appreciate that American influence tends to have been a stabilizing force in the world since the end of WWII, there is some resentment of that as well. Of course, the Prime Directive assumes everyone is going to behave, which is rarely the case.

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