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by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Marketing/Promotion,Star Trek Into Darkness,Viral Video/Mashup/Images , trackback

The third and final "Disruptions" viral video message from John Harrison is out. This time the Star Trek Into Darkness bad guy has Uhura all figured out. Check out the video below, which includes some new Uhura footage – including a major first look at some characters (but beware of spoilers). [UPDATED: Screencaps with first look at new character]

 

John Harrison Has Uhura All Figured Out

Paramount International has sent out their third (and final) "Disruptions" viral video. This time John Harrison turns his keen analysis on Uhura.

Harrison’s message:

Lieutenant Uhura – the soul of the Enterprise. A master of communication with the frequencies of the entire universe at her fingertips. She is the force of compassion holding the entire crew together. But look deeper and you will see a woman whose love makes her a liability. Is her duty to the mission or to her own personal relationship. How can she watch someone put their life on the line when her heart needs him to be safe…None of you are safe. 

First Look At JJverse Klingons Unmasked!

The Uhura video includes some distorted footage of a mission to the Klingon homeworld, and for the first time in the new movie universe we see a Klingon without his mask!


Klingon with Bat’leth


Klingon without his mask (note head ridges are pierced with rings)

 

More Messages From Harrison

If you missed them, here is Harrison analyzing Kirk and Spock.

Comments

1. porthoses bitch - May 1, 2013

I’ll be curious when the smoke clears, as to which speech Cumby used for his audition to “wow” the producers.

2. Sherlock - May 1, 2013

0:21, you see the face of a Klingon

3. rob84 - May 1, 2013

the klingon with the helmet off literally made me go WTF?!!! He looks super scary and moves like an animal. Wow just wow

4. boy - May 1, 2013

5 4 3 2 1

let the complaning start about how it should have been bones/mccoy video.

5. Adam E - May 1, 2013

I like the new Klingon makeup!

6. JohnRambo - May 1, 2013

Klingons look scary again! awesome!:-)

7. Sherlock - May 1, 2013

I thing Bones gets a lot of screen time in this movie. Why would they take their doctor to Qu’onos instead of their Xenolinguist?
I’ve never seen Dr Cotte from BSG on an away mission…

But for sure, they can go camping and sing row row row your boat, moon over rigel 7

8. Ciaran - May 1, 2013

Why do the “new” Klingons have the Romulan-type V-shape on their heads? They look good, don’t get me wrong, but he looks like he’s a Klingon/Romulan hybrid. WHERE’S THE MANE OF HAIR??! Only one Klingon is allowed to be bald and his name is General Chang!

9. Anthony Pascale - May 1, 2013

From the Bad Robot day, the makeup/hair guy explained some practical stuff. He said that they had wigs for the two klingons who removed their masks however it wasn’t working well and so they made them both bald. some of the masked klingons have the hair. Apparently the wigs were coming off with the helmets.

10. Star Trek: Nemesis blows, is the point - May 1, 2013

What if the Klingon is General Chang?

11. Unwanted - May 1, 2013

@8 How do you know this isn’t Chang? Seriously I expect to see new versions of Gorkon (since he showed up in the IDW JJverse Mirror Mirror story, got beheaded by evil Sulu), Kor, Kang, Koloth, a member of the House of Mogh, or Chang, among the Klingons we meet in this movie.

All of these men are out there, and Michael Dorn did say he was approached about possibly appearing in the film (prob would have been Gorkon though, unless he would have been grampa Worf again [STVI], or given his current age that Worf’s father).

I like the new Klingon look though, just wanted to say that.

12. Aix - May 1, 2013

I just literally went :O in a good way. Hehe.

13. Jemini - May 1, 2013

this is great! Uhura is just so beautiful and kick-a$$

ps: you forgot to put the transcript of what he says about her.

14. smegger56 - May 1, 2013

I like the new Klingon look :)

15. Aurore - May 1, 2013

“John Harrison Has Uhura All Figured Out”

Indeed.
Great video.

16. Willj1365 - May 1, 2013

I have to say , it does bother me that McCoy seems to be set aside, and its a real shame since I felt Karl Urban did such a great job with the character. Bones was really the ‘soul’ of the enterprise…

17. El Chup - May 1, 2013

Well, having read detailed spoilers I have serious doubt about the movie, but the Klingon make up really isn’t bothering me at all. It could easily fit into the Prime Universe canon in my view.

18. Mr Lirpa - May 1, 2013

@16 I know what you mean but I think that, as Uhura is the only female crew member they have made an effort to give her a larger share of the limelight (with both the new films). this seem reasonable considering they want to appeal to women as well as men.

I still feel for Bones slight lose though, however illogical that sounds (especially as he’s not real…)

19. Paul - May 1, 2013

Honestly though, the unmasked Klingon looks like a savage cannibal warchief from old comic books. All he needs is a spear, a painted leather shield and a human rib bone stuck in the nose. :-P

20. LOFC_Ed - May 1, 2013

I do like the Klingon make up, but still think they should have long hair. Still pretty good though.

21. BatlethInTheGroin - May 1, 2013

#8: Chang wasn’t the only bald Klingon we’ve seen. There were several in The Original Series.

22. thorsten - May 1, 2013

@Willj1365…

Don’t worry, the movie does him justice.

23. Jemini - May 1, 2013

you guys with the whole “bawww she’s replacing Bones i’m cry” are getting old It’s like a litany that never ends with the same identical phrases being posted in every single article of this site at every tiny mention of Uhura.

no offense but it’s getting to the point of obsession now, at least watch the movie first! This is only some promotional stuff! geez.
ps: bet no one complained about Scotty getting his own video instead of Bones. It figures.

24. Jemini - May 1, 2013

thank you for putting the transcript!

25. Mad Mann - May 1, 2013

I like how the Klingon symbol is at an angle on the one dude’s sash. It’s like a cross between the original version of the symbol (with the straight point horizontal) and the 1980s movies/TNG version with the straight point up.

26. LJ - May 1, 2013

I agree with those saying the Klingons should have long hair. Well, everyone should have long hair. Period…and goatee beards too.

On another note, I agree Bones was always the ‘soul’ of he crew. At least he should still be the conscience, the moral compass. This makes more sense coming from a doctor too – a naturally caring and sympathetic profession. The only emotional vibe Nuhura brings is the romance with Spock. Not that I want to get into the old Bones vs Nuhura quagmire: I understand the cold hard business decision behind it.

Those who’ve said in the past it makes more sense for Uhura to join landing parties than Bones: I disagree entirely. When I already have a universal translator – and knowing the trouble Kirk & co always find themselves in – I’d want a medic with me any day. Especially if i was a redshirt. I always rationalized having Bones on the bridge in crisis situations as avoiding the need to schlep to sickbay if a key officer is injured – or wait for a doctor to schlep to the bridge. The Enterprise had other doctors anyway: M’Benga and later Chapel.

27. Barney - May 1, 2013

@26 LJ

@7 sherlock

Am not sure…I have not read the full summary of this movie because I didn’t want to spoil myself too much, however I believe that uhura was taken to Quonos because she had to translate some sort of language which plays a key role in the plot of the film.

28. BatlethInTheGroin - May 1, 2013

#23: Feel free to stop reading the posts here if they bother you. Everyone is more than welcome to complain about McCoy being marginalized–because he has. Uhura was never anything more than a second-string character. Now, she’s center-stage, which is unfortunate since she’s just not that interesting a character. McCoy SHOULD be the one getting the attention.

29. Wulf - May 1, 2013

most of the klingons have long hair, u can see it in one of the trailers, maybe this guy is general chang ;-) and pierced klingons, hell yeah i wait since tng 4 that, awesome.

30. NCC-73515 - May 1, 2013

The betleH is overdone, though. “Oh, we could add more tips, and why not have them curved backwards?” -.-

31. Nurse Gabble - May 1, 2013

The point that bothers me is that Uhura is replacing Bones, not that she is stepping up in importance, I love to see the female characters getting more attention.
But to adress her as the “soul” only shows a very stereotype distribution of roles: She is a woman therefore she has to be the caring and emotinal part of the Enterprise. This is actually a step backwards in feminism
… and this is coming from a woman!

32. Mikey C - May 1, 2013

The more of see of the tv spots and trailers, the more excited I get. This movie is just more awesome by the minute. Kor did show up in the Countdown to Darkness comic series also.

33. DaddlerTheDalek - May 1, 2013

Scary Klingon looks Scary!

34. Mikey C - May 1, 2013

The more I see of the tv spots and trailers, the more excited I get. This movie is just gets more awesome by the minute. As far as Klingons, Kor did show up in the Countdown to Darkness comic series also.

35. Jemini - May 1, 2013

28. BatlethInTheGroin
” Uhura was never anything more than a second-string character. Now, she’s center-stage, which is unfortunate since she’s just not that interesting a character. McCoy SHOULD be the one getting the attention.

*yawn* are we in the 2013 or it’s still the 60s? (Guardian of Forever please help me)

your opinion =/= facts. I love Bones even more than Kirk himself (he’s my favorite after Spock tbh) and I’d be very happy to see a OT4 but accusing Uhura of replacing him in a non existent triad (that was NEVER developed not even in the old movies) is stupid. IF the dynamic changed maybe there is a reason, maybe it makes sense here and now.

If someone is really ” replacing” Bones it’s Scotty (I can’t make examples because they’re spoilers) not the only female main character that will, of course, get featured in promotional stuff for the sake of balancing things up a bit.

36. Moputo Jones - May 1, 2013

#31: I know this is going to set people off, but aren’t women more caring and emotional than men? The last time I looked, there weren’t too many wars started by women. If my wife knew anything about Trek, she would probably start calling me Spock, considering how unemotional and uncaring I am.

37. Rebecca74 - May 1, 2013

#31 – Please stop with the “step backwards in feminism” crap. I’m SO tired of hearing how a black woman being allowed to show emotion or sexuality is a step backwards in feminism. Where’s your intersectional feminism? Where’s your understanding of the differing media portrayals of WoC, and how it’s not the same as non-WoC? Where’s your understanding that the “stoic, unemotional, asexual black woman” is offensive and not empowering to black women?

#36 – Nope. Women can be just as violent and cruel as men.

38. BatlethInTheGroin - May 1, 2013

#35: Your claim that the Kirk-Spock-Bones triad was never developed indicates that you know little about Trek history.

39. Nurse Gabble - May 1, 2013

#36
I wouldn’t say women are more caring and emotional than men, it is just easier for them to show their emotions due to their upbringing.

And for women not starting wars, well you have no idea how women can fight a running battle e.g. at work or when it comes to relationships.

The point is that Spock and McCoy are both extreme characters. In their way of perceiving a solution as well as in their way of communicating it. Their reasoning shows that there are always two sides of the same coin.

By giving Uhura McCoy’s part this reasoning doesn’t work out right. They are in a relationship, she can never completely possition herself against Spock’s point of view like McCoy would.

And if she isn’t even having those quarrels with Spock (I assume it is still Bones who is doing it) then why is she “the soul” because it should be the one who is taking opposite view to Spock “the mind”.

40. T'Leba - May 1, 2013

Can’t wait!

41. This Is Not Your Fathers Star Trek - May 1, 2013

The UK’s ‘Guardian’ newspaper (the Bible of the Liberal ‘Left’) in the UK totally hammers the new Star Trek film.

“If you like explosions and people running around shouting, then you’ll love this film; if you were like the original series and its focus on morality and philosophising, you will be sorely disappointed…”

42. ObsessiveStarTrekFan - May 1, 2013

41. This Is Not Your Fathers Star Trek

…and yet Andrew Pulver’s Guardian review said “The real grit is provided, as ever, by the emotional politics, always Star Trek’s strength” and gave it 4 1/2 stars.

43. Nurse Gabble - May 1, 2013

#37
This has nothing to do with skin colour.
I would feel the same if it was for Carol Marcus, or a green, babyblue, pink purple, whatever woman. It is simply this old fashioned way of giving the emotional part to the “weaker sex”

44. Paul - May 1, 2013

@37 – Whoa, cut the postmodern gibberish. WOCs can sit in the front part of the bus now, what else do you want? :-P

Really though, what’s up with this “empowering” stuff? Why should colored women be treated any different than non-colored women? When you show a white woman that’s emotional and sexual, feminists are all rage, but when you show a black woman like that, it is suddenly “empowering” for some reason? That’s silly. Also, it reminds me of an old joke: “When a white guy beats up a black guy, he’s a racist. When a black guy beats up a white guy, he’s standing up for his rights.”

45. ObsessiveStarTrekFan - May 1, 2013

Sorry – 4 stars

46. CmdrR - May 1, 2013

The new bat’leth would have to be a weapon for fighting with some room to maneuver. If an opponent can get close enough with a dagger, it’s useless. I would appreciate it if they don’t show a TNG-style bat’leth fight — the kind where people use it to bludgeon without blood. Used full-one, that thing slices and dices.

As to bald/hairy… we’ve seen multiple Klingon looks at the same time before. It’s a whole planet after all.

As to Uhura being “the soul of the Enterprise.” Um, nah. She’s the distraction of the bridge, maybe.

47. Curious Cadet - May 1, 2013

@27. Barney,
” I believe that uhura was taken to Quonos because she had to translate some sort of language which plays a key role in the plot of the film.”

But why did they go to the Klingon home world at all!?

What do the Klingons have to do with the plot?

48. porthoses bitch - May 1, 2013

I belive Bone’s new nickname for Uhura is “Lt. C*ckblock”…….

49. et - May 1, 2013

Nice Klingon.

I suppose the film had to fall on one side or the other of the Great Head Ridges Debate, and it looks like Mr. Abrams is, in the final analysis, Pro-Head Ridges.

My opinion?

I’m still annoyed that the “head ridges” when they first appeared in “Star Trek: The Motion Picture” were OBVIOUSLY A SPINAL COLUMN!!

Look at it! You can see the individual vertebrae, fer the love of Vaal!

Then when Trek 3 came around, I guess someone took a quick glance and said, “I dunno, just put a bunch of sh*t on his forehead,” and that’s where we’ve been ever since.

Fine. I guess “head ridges” are cool. ::sigh::

50. Phil - May 1, 2013

TNG era Klingons always had a bit of a hipster feel to them. I’m guessing these Klingons get about as much screen time as Keenser did the last movie, but it’s a good look.

Uhura is the soul of Enterprise. My first reaction was to say no way, but on reflection, yeah, she was in TOS. The character had a spiritual quality about her…

To all those who laid into me for suggesting her relationship with Spock was fraternization, and a liability, and that there were legitimate reasons to avoid them, well….I told you so. Vindication is a dish best not served at all…….. :-)

51. Jemini - May 1, 2013

38. BatlethInTheGroin – May 1, 2013
“#35: Your claim that the Kirk-Spock-Bones triad was never developed indicates that you know little about Trek history.”

I guess that a lot of us don’t know a think about trek history since many others beside me had stated the same identical thing here.
Or perhaps it’s you the one who doesn’t remember how the story was actually developed and the fact that star trek had always been the Kirk/Spock story.
McCoy had never been in the main posters (so nothing new here), he had never been an equal protagonist to Kirk and Spock **

I’m just saying for the sake of because people keep talking about something that has the appearance of a urban legend to me rather than an actual fact about the prime verse movies.
Having said that, the notion that someone is replacing MCcoy in a new story set in an AU where there was no triad, to begin with, is stupid. This story had started with Uhura and Bones getting the same attention in the first movie (they literally serve the same purpose and get the same amount of screen time everything people need to do is look at the scenes).
Again, if someone is replacing him it’s Scotty but how is that only Uhura is accused of replacing someone?
and I don’t see people complaining about Alice Eve stealing screen time from Bones either. For some reason the only “stealer” here is Uhura. And then people wonder why fans talk about latent racial issues and misogyny in the star trek fandom? This obsession against Uhura and Uhura only is impressive sometimes.
She’s the only prominent female character in a cast that totally male dominant, that she gets “attention” or not should not even register as her replacing one of the guys because it’s simply a nonsense. What they’re supposed to do?
I don’t get why people think that we should get more Bones to the expense of Uhura who had always been marginalized. I’d understand it more if people were, again, complaining about Scotty getting more space to the expense of Bones since he’s another male character and he is a character that in the original story WAS more secondary compared to Bones TOO. Why no one complains about Scotty getting more screen time than him? (so it seems from what I’ve read) it doesn’t compute. It wouldn’t compute if Chekov or Sulu or Carol Marcus (I suspect) were getting more screentime either.

**(I’d argue that even Spock himself wasn’t treated as an equal protagonist like Kirk and in support of that I’d suggest people to read certain letters by Roddenberry and the writers’ insistence that Shatner had to be the star and how they were scared that Spock was more popular than Kirk so they made him Kirk’s nerdy friend. Reboot Spock is much more an equal protagonist now than Nimoy Spock, he doesn’t seem to be reduced to Kirk’s nerdy friend too whose life must revolve around that only and he can’t get his own personal life – like Kirk – )

52. ME!! - May 1, 2013

The klingons look cool. I was worried about that for a while. They did them justice (unlike the TNG people who made them seem like animals compared to their TOS & TOS movie counterparts…and I don’t mean make-up wise).

I don’ think that’s a batleth though. Perhaps some other type of klingon sword as we’ve seen quite a few over the years other than the batleth.

53. Jemini - May 1, 2013

48. Phil
now now let’s not get ahead of ourselves, ok?
where the video talks about fraternization?
using your logic, then, Harrison’s message to Kirk is proof that he shouldn’t be a captain…
remember that Harrison is supposed to be a manipulative guy, all these video messages are about him finding weak points in the characters that he’s personally attacking. He’s an unreliable narrator.

54. Barney - May 1, 2013

let me tell you guys a neat trick.

uhura never replaced bones.

Bones will have more screen time in this film in comparison to uhura however they are using uhura in all the promotional ads because she is more MARKETABLE than bones

55. KHAAAN, the weasel - May 1, 2013

I get the feeling that, while the JJverse Klingons are acutally STILL ridgeless, they pierce those rings though their foreheads to make them look as though they HAD ridges… would make sense, wouldn’t it?

56. BatlethInTheGroin - May 1, 2013

#49: You have COMPLETELY missed the point of what everyone is saying–and I think you’ve done so willingly. There’s no element of either racism or misogyny to this discussion, other than what you’re bringing it up. In fact, the argument isn’t even about Uhura. It’s about McCoy being marginalized. You’re entirely misconstruing the debate and bringing race into it when it has nothing to do with what people are getting at.

57. Dr. Image - May 1, 2013

Klingon make-up: Nice. Somewhat more like the TMP and TUC versions- more distinguished… in a sense.

58. BatlethInTheGroin - May 1, 2013

#53: No, there are clearly ridges on that guy’s head.

59. John from Cincinnati - May 1, 2013

Oh good God. Couldn’t they have come up with something more original than Klingons!

60. Copper Based Blood - May 1, 2013

#46 Curious Cadet

Uhura, Can’t speak Klingonese, well at least she couldn’t in ST 6, she had a struggle with the translation book…….

61. John from Cincinnati - May 1, 2013

54.

Agreed. The point is Karl Urban has been widely regarded as giving the BEST performance of the original characters and his reward is having his character lose screen time and getting marginalized. What I’m trying to figure out is what is Paramount’s agenda?

62. Classy M - May 1, 2013

@41 – The Guardian called Star Trek into Darkness “an astute, exhilarating concoction” and gave it 4 stars.

63. Nony - May 1, 2013

First, cool bat’leth. The spiky bit curving back the other way makes sense. They can more easily take people’s eyes out who are coming at them from behind.

And I have not much to add to ongoing character arguments except that I would like to see four main characters (or two main and two major supporting), because Uhura and Bones would be the best buddies/partners in crime, if the writers were to give it a chance. Spock would be perturbed about Uhura hanging out with his frenemy, Uhura would be annoyed but actually secretly amused by Spock and Bones’ arguing, Kirk would laugh at all of them and sometimes feel like he was herding cats, and they could be a nice well-rounded team for missions — the leader, the logic, the linguist, the medic. Tension when necessary between the different factions: say, a situation with Uhura and Bones arguing for a humane approach versus Kirk and Spock’s hard-headed tactics, or Bones backing Kirk and Uhura backing Spock during disagreements between Kirk and Spock, etc. It would be awesome and a great twist on the traditional triumvirate structure, because Uhura was established as serving the same character function to Spock as Bones did to Kirk in the 2009 movie. But this probably won’t happen because it makes too much sense.

64. T'Cal - May 1, 2013

Oh. My. God!

65. Tony Dayoub - May 1, 2013

Anthony, I’m trying to send you something at your tips email, and it doesn’t seem to be accepting anything. Is it down?

66. LogicalLeopard - May 1, 2013

26. LJ – May 1, 2013

Those who’ve said in the past it makes more sense for Uhura to join landing parties than Bones: I disagree entirely. When I already have a universal translator – and knowing the trouble Kirk & co always find themselves in – I’d want a medic with me any day. Especially if i was a redshirt. I always rationalized having Bones on the bridge in crisis situations as avoiding the need to schlep to sickbay if a key officer is injured – or wait for a doctor to schlep to the bridge. The Enterprise had other doctors anyway: M’Benga and later Chapel.

****************************

I agree that McCoy was the soul or conscience of the Enteprise. However, I disagree with Bones position on the bridge, and Bones over Uhura in an away team situation. He’s the CMO. It’s better to have him in sickbay to regulate the triage situation and treat some of the worst injuries himself, assuming he’s also the best surgeon or most knowledgable. Sticking him on a bridge, an area with, what, a dozen officers, is inefficient. Any medic on the bridge, or an officer with field medic training (which they all should have) should be able to stabilize the officer long enough to get him to sickbay where Bones can operate. And on the bridge, Bones runs the danger himself of being injured or killed.

On away missions, it should be the same thing – unless it’s a mission that deals with a medical or possible medical situation, the CMO is better served on the ship. A junior medical officer, or officer with field medic training (which you should probably have if you are away-team eligible) can stablilize a person long enough to get them on the ship. However, the communications officer can serve in two capacities. One, they know more about the communications equipment, protocols, and coding than other officers, so if you have a situation in which you encounter interference or jamming (which happens often), they can better break through it or determine how to get around it. Also, if they have specific knowledge of the language, they may be able to speak it with more nuance than the UT can. Say for instance, if nu-Uhura knows Klingon, it’s going to sound a lot better coming out of her mouth than it will through the translator, and she may have studied literature, poetry, pop culture, which would help her interpret and express things the UT may not be able to do correctly. Does the UT speak “Klingon Jive” to use an Airplane reference? Probably not as well as a person.

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67. LogicalLeopard - May 1, 2013

You know, this Klingon forehead/hair thingy makes me wonder….is this just a difference in personal style, or is it something deeper? Most human males have short hair, some have long hair, and some are bald. It’s a prefence of style. But then again, you have some people who shave their heads for religious purposes, or grow their hair long for religious purposes. Is that’s what’s going on with the Klingons? And the forehead piercings. Punk preference, or more like the Bajoran spiritual preference? Very interesting indeed, would love to have those questions answered, but I’m content with speculation

68. Nurse Gabble - May 1, 2013

#60
Thank you, this is what I was trying to say :)

69. T'Cal - May 1, 2013

Sword of Kahless? Check. Standard bat’leth? Check. NuTrek Klingon sword? um… Time to get another Bat’leth! Qa’plah!!

70. NuFan - May 1, 2013

42

Hah! This is only the beginning of their desperate cherry picking.

71. Phil - May 1, 2013

@51. Oh, the argument that this Kirk is not qualified to be captain has been made successfully by many, many people. That’s a shaky defense for your point, at best…

72. Yanks - May 1, 2013

“the soul of the Enterprise”

Really?

73. ObsessiveStarTrekFan - May 1, 2013

@68. Phil

Neverthless, Jemini’s point that Harrison is supposed to be manipulative, that he is exposing weak points in these characters and that he’s an unreliable narrator is valid.

We have been told that Harrison is a master manipulator who is able to use the weaknesses of the crew to his advantage and against them. He is a psychological force to be reckoned with.

We will see in the movie, whether these weaknesses indeed will bring about the characters’ undoing, or will be overcome to make them stronger.

74. Mad Mann - May 1, 2013

64. LogicalLeopard :

Good points. I think it makes more sense when the aliens from a single race all don’t look exactly alike, because we humans do not look all exactly alike!

The Klingons SHOULD look slightly different from one another. The Klingons from TNG era were all basically clones with slightly different forehead ridges. At least Martok only had one eye to tell him apart.

The TOS Klingons had a slightly different look to them since ther make-up was minimal. Wasn’t there a bald Klingon from the Trouble with Tribbles episode?

75. LJ - May 1, 2013

@63 I get where you’re coming from, nevertheless we’re talking about a ship where it’s standard practice for the Captain to lead the landing party. He should stay aboard too a la Picard, until the First Officer has confirmed the situation is secure, lest a Captain Cook in Hawaii situation arise.

Ideally, department heads should be minimized in their exposure to landing party missions (at least don’t have a party comprised almost solely of dept. heads as happens in all Trek series). The landing party should comprise the First or Second officer, a medic, a science officer (if the first or second are not), one/two security crew and a mission specialist as required (a linguist would not be required in every instance, IMHO, though may be sometimes. On other missions an archaeologist may be needed). My point being, I’d take a doctor before a comms officer. Guess we’d just have different styles of command on our ships.

I reckon in TOS Kirk probably liked to have Bones along as he trusted him and they were best mates. He used Bones for counsel and advice as much, if not more than, medicine: something I don’t believe Uhura would be old enough to provide (or experienced enough compared to Bones in TOS, though their experience is the same in the new films).

76. Solar - May 1, 2013

I’m already bored with Benedict Cumberbatch and I haven’t even seen him in the movie yet. Why can’t Pine do the voice over for these videos?

77. Jemini - May 1, 2013

54. BatlethInTheGroin

“#49: You have COMPLETELY missed the point of what everyone is saying”

really? enlighten us then because I thought that Uhura is exactly the point here since people always whine about HER replacing Bones only because she gets some promotional stuff and is she’s featured in a silly poster. And you all haven’t even watched the movie yet!
I thought that for you all her getting a tad more attention = replacing Bones. This is the litany that we keep reading here.

and you’re the one completely avoiding my point misconstruing the debate (still haven’t answered to the whole “isn’t Scotty replacing Bones too, then?”)

“It’s about McCoy being marginalized.”

yet, the complains are only about Uhura getting attention but you all have no issues with other secondary characters (scotty) getting more attention.

“You’re entirely misconstruing the debate and bringing race into it when it has nothing to do with what people are getting at.”

I’m not. Everything I said is that this debate seems to have a pattern as Uhura is always the ONLY target here.
The supposed McCoy fans here don’t seem to have a problem with other characters, other secondary characters compared to Bones, getting attention or their own videos and posters. Only when it’s about Uhura for some reason she’s replacing him and, for some reason, people makes it seems that in order to give more attention to Bones Uhura must get marginalized.
Now, since her character was marginalized in the 60s BECAUSE of racism, what I’m saying is that you guys here surely seems to give to the ones that believe Uhura’s haters have latent racial issues more pretexts to use to support their argument .. and I can’t blame the ones that actually bring race in the debate.

78. ML31 - May 1, 2013

Chalk up yet another person who says McCoy is the soul of the Enterprise. And that Uhura is a 2nd tier character who is getting extra props because she is the only female character in the original cast. That said, ST:09 was good and this one looks to be good too.

79. cpelc - May 1, 2013

*****ATTENTION*****

tried to email this to the tipline but got a mailbox full response

new clip from movie posted in Yahoo article

http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/star-trek-boldly-goes-unlikely-real-life-locations-153158175.html

80. Jemini - May 1, 2013

68. Phil – May 1, 2013
“@51. Oh, the argument that this Kirk is not qualified to be captain has been made successfully by many, many people. That’s a shaky defense for your point, at best…”

so you think he shouldn’t be the captain, ever?
ah ok. Who should be then?
who knows maybe in this reality they will make Bones the new captain ;)

81. smike - May 1, 2013

That Klingon looks a bit like a Malon, or a Sontaran from Doctor Who :-) But I like it.

82. Captain, USS Northstar - May 1, 2013

@35 — Non-existent triad? Really? Spock and McCoy have been the two halves of Kirk outwardly manifested — at least in the “Original” universe. I will point you in the direction of two examples, but there are plenty of others:

“The Enemy Within” — Spock and McCoy argue about the part of an individual is most important to command ability after Kirk is “split” in a transporter accident. Interestingly, they take viewpoints that in some ways are counter to their characters — Spock argues the “passion” and “drive” side while McCoy argues “intellect” and “rationality” (a reverse because Spock represented the intellectual/logical/rational side of Kirk while McCoy stood for the emotional/passionate side).

TWoK — Who meets to discuss Project Genesis in Kirk’s cabin? It’s Spock and McCoy, taking their traditional roles. Spock evaluates the impact of the Genesis Device while McCoy argues the moral implications of using the technology. Kirk, you’ll notice, is in the middle of that scene’s staging, listening to both sides of the argument. That is what Kirk represents: intellect tempered with compassion.

Like I said, there are plenty of other examples. For an original series fan, the Big 3 on the Big E were always Kirk, Spock, and McCoy. One doesn’t have to look much further than the credits in seasons 2 and 3: William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy, and DeForest Kelly.

83. Captain, USS Northstar - May 1, 2013

Sorry: should have written: “which part of an individual”.

84. smike - May 1, 2013

I’m perfectly fine with Uhura getting more attention this time round. The classic triumvirate doesn’t translate very well to our era. Out of the former “big three”, Kirk and Spock are set, so Bones is the only one that could make place for a female character, which is a good thing. After all TOS marginalized women completely… Chapel, Rand and even Uhura were little more than tools and gadgets to hand the main characters a cup of coffee. It’s good that Uhura is now the number three…It’s like Harry, Ron and Hermione…or Luke, Han and Leia…

85. Kirk's Girdle - May 1, 2013

#49 When it was believed Kirk died in the Tholian Web, to whom did he leave his last wishes? He gave Spock and Bones that last posthumous pep talk because he utilized these two polar opposites in order to make decisions but also knew that without him standing in the middle, the command structure could devolve into a morale busting bicker-fest.

Spock and McCoy almost ALWAYS went at it (truthfully, I could never understand how McCoy could be bleeding heart liberal with high ideals on one hand, while being virulently racist toward Spock and demeaningly sexist toward Chapel at the same time). McCoy and Spock represented the two halves of the human brain – logic and emotion, which for the purposes of story telling, could give voice to both sides of any given argument.

86. LJ - May 1, 2013

@74 I’m one of the people who’ve said they prefer the character of McCoy, but – certainly as far as I’m concerned – this is not about race, it’s about wanting to see a fully developed character I enjoy, rather than a character who was never developed in TOS and has been turned into a cookie-cutter action heroine. Yes, I’d prefer to see more Scotty over Uhura, but that’s also because he was always a little more developed than Uhura. I always saw him as being not quite ‘big 3′ as it were, but not down with Uhura, Sulu, Chekov, and Chapel.

Scotty has a personality that interests me: he’s a cheeky jack-the-lad, enjoys a drink, bit of a brawler, a Brit. Uhura, on the other hand, I wouldn’t miss if he wasn’t there.

87. Kirk's Girdle - May 1, 2013

Whoops, Think I meant #51.

And the head piercings were designed by Neville Page for Nero’s Romulans in ST09 and rejected. I guess he just couldn’t let it go.

88. Phil - May 1, 2013

@80. My views on his lack of qualifications are well known. Bottom line is this is Star Trek, and Kirk has to be captain. It really doesn’t matter how he got the chair, just that he did.

89. LogicalLeopard - May 1, 2013

74. Mad Mann – May 1, 2013
64. LogicalLeopard :

Good points. I think it makes more sense when the aliens from a single race all don’t look exactly alike, because we humans do not look all exactly alike!

The Klingons SHOULD look slightly different from one another. The Klingons from TNG era were all basically clones with slightly different forehead ridges. At least Martok only had one eye to tell him apart.

The TOS Klingons had a slightly different look to them since ther make-up was minimal. Wasn’t there a bald Klingon from the Trouble with Tribbles episode?

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Hmmnnn, I don’t remember. But now that you mention it, it is funny that the Klingons without bumpy foreaheads had short hair styles. Could be a generational thing as well. Or a class thing.

Now, if someone would care to elaborate on Romulans and their bowlcuts, I’d like to hear that too. The female Romulan Commander had long hair, but it seems like it’s been short ever since. Course, I didn’t pay attention to any background Romulans in the movies or shows, either.

90. INS - May 1, 2013

Benedict’s narration is incredible! Uhura, the soul of the Enterprise? I can agree. I’m so happy for this character. Love Uhura and Nichelle/Zoe!

91. Becca - May 1, 2013

The soul of the Enterprise?? Really? Oh boy…

92. Kirk's Girdle - May 1, 2013

The Romulans didn’t have bowl cuts in TOS. That was a TNG thing. Similarly, Vulcans had variety in TOS. Sarek had his own style, then there was T’Pring and T’Pau’s long hair, the bald asian Vulcan, etc. Stonn had a modified bowl cut which he parted on the right.

93. LogicalLeopard - May 1, 2013

77. Jemini – May 1, 2013

Here’s my view on the subject

1) Uhura Prime was marginalized not so much because of racism, but because of sexism. If she was involved in action, it had to be damsel in distress

2) As you said, Uhura is prominent in the marketing, but in the first movie, isn’t much more prominent than other supporting characters like Scotty, etc. My theory is people always target Uhura on this forum instead of Scotty when discussing Bones for two reasons: a) They confuse/conflate her marketing appearances (usually portrayed as one of three, where they think Bones should be) with her actual movie screen time. and b) They like Scotty better. Uhura was never a very interesting character because she never did much at all. Scotty had that engine fixing, scotch swilling, Klingon punching swag about him, and is immortalized in Trek pop culture.

Personally, I think that Trek fans should be HAPPY that a previously underdeveloped character is getting more screen time and exposure. I would also like Sulu expanded on, and even minor characters like Chapel, M’Benga, etc showcased a bit, But in the “This is not the Trek I grew up with” whining, that doesn’t enter into the minds of the complainers. We’ve seen a lot of Bones, and he’s in the FIRST SCENE of the movie, prominently. There is NO reason to keep complaining.

If they want to be happy, just paste a picture of Bones over Uhura’s face when the DVD comes out.

94. Unwanted - May 1, 2013

@80. Don’t bother with Phil, he has been unceasingly negative on every thread about everything having to do with the rebooted franchise. As soon as he reads this comment I am sure he will come back with some bs about how he does like it or some such but “NuKirk is just so weak”.

He doesn’t even pay enough attention to the facts he is given to sound intelligent when he makes his complaints, like a while back when he was b–ching about how nuKirk beat the Kobyashi Maru, and said that he “had to have Gailia do the programming work for him” which was blatantly wrong and did not match up with any of the material that has come out, not the 2009 movie, not the novelization of said movie, not the deleted scenes from said movie.

Since we never saw how KirkPrime beat the test there is no possible way to gauge the difference between the two, for all we know KirkPrime beat it exactly the same way as nuKirk, but still Phil insists that nuKirk is somehow less than KikrPrime because of (among other bs complaints) how he cheated on the test. Frankly it’s flippin ridiculous.

95. LogicalLeopard - May 1, 2013

92. Kirk’s Girdle – May 1, 2013

Really? I thought some of the male Romulans in TOS had a similar short style, but you know, now that I think about it, it wasn’t really a bowl cut. I could accept that as being a military requirement, but I don’t remember how the civillians looked to really tell what’s what.

96. Rick - May 1, 2013

The soul of the Enterprise? She holds the crew together?

LOL okay..yea..sure thing

SOOO can we get another video of drunk Scotty again because that was awesome!!

97. Oct - May 1, 2013

@47

That is such a baffling comment. Watch the movie to find out. Don’t go ‘why do the Klingons have to do with the plot’. It’s called storytelling and what you’re doing is like judging a book purely by reading the first few chapters then skipping to the end. it’s not being constructive at all or insightful.

98. Dennis C - May 1, 2013

I was kind of hoping that the helmets were meant to conceal that the Klingons were still too human in appearance, covering their heads as a matter of pride. Who knew it was to conceal that they all look like Lou Gossett, Jr. in Enemy Mine.

Oh, well.

99. Buzz Cagney - May 1, 2013

i didn’t bother watching it but i’m guessing he says Uhura is the one that chases Spock around so that she can gain faster promotion and posted to a better ship. And how she never actually much sits at her station because she finds it boring, apparently, and would far rather involve herself in more exciting stuff.
If he says all that he does indeed have her number.

100. Buzz Cagney - May 1, 2013

#90 My god he says she’s the soul of the Enterprise? What total BS. And they want me to pay to see this? That alone has, i feel, finished my interest off. I’ll be keeping my money in my pocket.

101. Mark - May 1, 2013

@37rebecca-why do you always have to make it about race? Look if you have your own personal issues with that fine, but you’re taking the topic in a whole different direction. NO ONE said anything about black women not being allowed to show emotion.

You’re tired about hearing that black women can’t do this or that or whatever? Cool. Fight that $hit. But wait until someone actually SAYS that, Nurse Gabble was just giving her thoughts on feminism. She seems to be an Uhura fan. God these boards get weird when people are overly sensitive…

102. I am not Herbert - May 1, 2013

OOPS! …these stupid helmets actually don’t make any sense! =P

…can’t have Klingons with “helmet-hair” now can we? ;-)

that’s what happens when your designs don’t take functionality into account… oh well… =(

103. Red Dead Ryan - May 1, 2013

Isn’t Kirk supposed to be the “soul of the Enterprise”? Kirk, in the original series, made the Enterprise famous, quadrant-wise. Robert April and Captain Pike commanded the ship before him, but it became synonymous with Kirk.

104. Rebecca74 - May 1, 2013

#101 – Mark
Why are you so bothered by me commenting on what Nurse Gabble said? If she wants to talk feminism and the merits of the character without mentioning the differing treatment said character receives because of her race, then she needs to have several seats. She’s speaking “as a woman”, and overlooking the fact that media portrayals are so very different. Her feminism isn’t inclusive at all. That’s why I wrote what I did.

105. sean - May 1, 2013

#102

Actually, given the Klingon tendency to fight hand-to-hand, those helmets make perfect sense.

106. sean - May 1, 2013

#104

Hear hear! The thing that kills me about these complaints about Uhura are that in the scene where she’s supposedly being ‘overly emotional’ you have two men (Kirk & McCoy) who are being FAR more emotional – they’re both literally screaming at Spock. These two men are displaying their emotions very openly (Kirk’s entire stance, literally gripping the console in frustration), and yet Uhura is supposedly regressive because she gasps for 2 seconds.

107. Jemini - May 1, 2013

93. LogicalLeopard
” They like Scotty better.”

amen? that’s my point.

had their concern been only about Bones getting marginalized in favor of another secondary character getting more screentime, they’d have issues with ANY character getting more attention than him (example: Scotty) not just Uhura.
They’d whine about Lindelof listing the characters as “Kirk, Spock, Scotty”… always forgetting about Bones. They’s bitch about Alice Eve reading the audiobook saying “why not Karl Urban?” or all the clips that feature her more waaaaay than Bones.

but somehow Uhura getting more attention than in tos= she’s replacing Bones and should GTFO
any other character getting more attention= fine, they’re not replacing Bones they’re just getting more attention (than him, using their logic. They’re getting more attention than him TOO. Scotty got his own video, where is the one about Bones? He also got a promotional still – e.g. empire magazine – way before we got one about Bones)

there is an obvious bias against Uhura here sometimes disguised as “where is my Bones?”

the notion that Uhura is the least interesting character also is pretentious as h*ll.
I, for one, love Bones but I don’t really care about Scotty or Simon Pegg beyond him being the comic relief of the movies. I actually prefer Sulu over him and I’d rather have Sulu getting more screentime than him, tbh. and of course I love Uhura way more than Scotty, I care about what happens to her and I see potential in her interactions with the characters that I cannot imagine with Scotty.
Uhura is pretty popular as a character too. More than Scotty, I’d say, if we look at the amount of fanworks dedicated to her. So marketing-vise, it surely makes sense for her to get featured in the promotional stuff.

108. Cant Wait Fer ST:ID - May 1, 2013

Love the new Klingons.

A shame the Sheldon Leonards don’t but would find something wrong anyway if they looked exactly the same.

109. Nurse Gabble - May 1, 2013

# Rebecca, look I never said anything about race, you are bringing this issue up.

I simply said that I dislike that McCoy seems to be replaced by another crewmember in this triumvirat. And this crewmember just happens to be Uhura. I would have said the same thing if it was for Sulu, Chekov, Chapel or yes, even Scotty.

And giving the emotional part of this new triad to a women (read woman, not WoC!) is to me cliche-ridden.

We are living in two different worlds I guess, still united by Star Trek.
At least there’s that ;)

110. Jefferies Tuber - May 1, 2013

“soul” is a benignly racist way to describe Uhura:Star Trek. She was a minor character. Now she’s not. I support that development.

But “soul of” has absolutely no objective truth. McCoy is the soul of Star Trek. He’s the plea for humanity when adventure has taken them very far from home, when exigent circumstances, heroism and logic do not provide an obvious path. But he’s a white man and that’s not as exciting to the Supreme Court.

What other reason is there for an erudite 1990s superman to describe her as the “soul of” the Enterprise? Because black people have soul, obviously. Again, no argument. I agree that black people have soul. But Uhura is not a black American, she’s an African linguistic genius centuries in the future.

So, if Kirk is behind the transparent aluminum at the end of STID, as some have speculated, then there is no Katra for which Bones might be the vessel… and McCoy is marginalized again.

I’m 100% stoked by the promotional roll out for May 15, when I’ll be at the 3DIMAX preview in Century City. But I wish very hard for Bob Orci boborci to editorialize a bit on the development of Uhura–now or after the film’s release. It would be really nice to hear that the Uhura relationship, perhaps even the Marcus relationship, are central to the -creation- of our heroes, but that the Aristotelian triad [logos, pathos, ethos] of Spock, Kirk and McCoy will eventually emerge in this new universe.

Let me be clear: I love Leonard “Bones” McCoy and I think Karl Urban’s McCoy is the best single character adaptation of the lot. So it hurts that much more to see him marginalized into an arm-waving b-lister.

111. KirksLove - May 1, 2013

Come on, let’s stop talking about the Klingon’s head shape or the rather wise decision to make Uhura an important character (today’s girls want characters to identify with, too, old men). Let’s talk about Cumberbatch ‘s breathtakingly sexy delivery of the “Noone will be safe” line. God, the man will make all of us orgasm in the theatres with his voice and his commanding alpha male presence. I can’t wait.

112. LizardGirl - May 1, 2013

I said I was going to stay away but….

Spock’s the logic
Uhura’s the soul
McCoy’s the heart
Kirk is all of the above….

Please wait to see the movie before judging the importance of each character in relation to another. If Zoe Saldana was sitting right in front of you for a one-on-one interview would you be as disrespectful not only to her but to the character Uhura, as some of (not all) you are now? You probably wouldn’t care if you were or not, but I think sometimes the internet makes people trollish, even when they aren’t really.

Watch the movie people. It’s so close now…

113. Bird of Prey - May 1, 2013

The forehead of this Klingon seems to bear the most similarity to the one of a (TOS)-movie-era Klingon. Interesting…
Speaking of, General Chang was also bald, so this Klingon’s lack of hear my be unusual, but not unheard of. (The earrings are something new, though.)

114. INS - May 1, 2013

Bob Orci…

Thank you and your team for giving Uhura more presence (and a first name for goodness sakes) in your universe which is something that the writers before you couldn’t be bothered with. I plan on supporting STID multiple times.

115. Keachick - May 1, 2013

It is physiology that makes it easier for women to cry than men, not that men can’t cry. It’s just harder.

“It is simply this old fashioned way of giving the emotional part to the “weaker sex””

Without seeing the film in its entirety, I get the impression that emotions are pretty high all round, and it is not just a female expressing them either. From the little seen and heard, Kirk has seemed rather emotionally choked up at one point…if Uhura did not show how she was affected emotionally by whatever, her behaviour could actually seem out of place.

It is also about how “weak” is defined. Is it weak to grieve, to console, to hug, to express righteous anger perhaps… etc? Scotty seems to be consoling Uhura at one point. I see no one calling his character out for being “emotional”.

In terms of fraternization, ie liability of being romantically involved with a work colleague, how does that pose any greater liability than any other kind of relationship? We see and hear Kirk and McCoy argue with Spock about how to save Spock, even if it means violating the prime directive in order to do so. Bones is yelling at Spock, “Spock! We are trying to save you…”. Clearly, Dr McCoy is not considering stuff like PD, nor is Kirk either really. They just want to save the life of one of their crew, work colleague. Neither Kirk or McCoy perhaps like, or even fully understand Spock, but they have come to respect him as a person and a valuable crewmember. It seems that whatever relationship has been forged between Kirk, Spock and McCoy may well be proving a ‘liability’ if Kirk wants to strictly play by the rules. If reading the ongoing/countdown comics are anything to go by, Kirk is also aware of how Uhura feels about Spock and I suspect he may factor that into his decision about whether to attempt rescue. Uhura’s feelings also matter, not as much as other things to consider, but still…

I think it comes down to these people trying to be decent human beings, doing what they can…

116. NCC-73515 - May 1, 2013

Saldana was actually asked about the Bones relevance issue:

Q: Do you think that Uhura has taken the position that Bones had before, forming a triangle with Kirk and Spock?

A: I think that you will inevitably have relationships with others when you serve together on a ship for some time. It doesn’t matter if those are on a romantic, personal or professional level. At the moment it’s more like McCoy and Kirk are trying to make Spock loosen up a bit. That’s the central idea right now. I do think however, that the Bones character and his friendship with Kirk will always be important. The captain depends on Bones’ intuition and opposition. Despite his grumpiness, Bones is still the voice of conscience on board. I also don’t think there is any competition between any of us. Everyone simply does the job he has to do.

Source: TrekZone, translated from German Berlin report

117. THX-1138 - May 1, 2013

I don’t get “Klingon” from that pic. Just doesn’t vibe me that way. It looks like they gave him some sort of shiny animal eyes, too. NuTrek apologists will like it but in my own deluded out of touch old timer fanboy world it doesn’t make sense for a particular races looks to change.

The vibe I do get is Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra. Kiazi’s children, their faces wet.

118. Red Dead Ryan - May 1, 2013

It looks like all the main crew members get emotional during the movie. It makes sense, seeing as how John Harrison is pushing them to the limits, not just physically, but emotionally and psychologically as well.

It looks like someone important dies in the movie, the Enterprise gets trashed, and John Harrison is wreaking havoc and destruction on a massive scale. Take all of those elements into account, and you have your reasons for why everyone is emotionally stressed and unbalanced.

119. Basement Blogger - May 1, 2013

I’m sorry but McCoy is the soul of the Enterprise. It looks like Uhura is now part of the troika. I see the post at 116. Nice answer but did they move McCoy out for demographics? I’ve always argued for more McCoy. He’s funny and I love his bleeding heart.

120. T'Leba - May 1, 2013

As a woman, I love seeing a strong woman character in the new Uhura. That really was Gene Roddenberry’s vision. Afterall, he wanted the second in command to be a woman. It was the network that said no.

While I love the original series, I cringe when an ensign takes control of the bridge over a woman lieutenant – Uhura.

I see this rebooted series as using Roddenberry’s vision of women in command.

I don’t want to go back to the 60’s way of thinking that Uhura can’t take the bridge when more senior officers are absent or that she can’t fight. I’m looking forward to seeing her in action.

That said, it was a little shocking to hear the Harrison character say that Uhura is the “soul” of the Enterprise. I’d love to know what he thinks of McCoy. I hope we find out. I do love the Spock-Kirk-McCoy interactions.

I’m sure Uhura doesn’t displace McCoy in the movie. I have faith in the writers. Right now, as far as I’m concerned, they are just righting an old wrong. Also, the studio is trying to increase the appeal of the movie.

Thank you, Bob Orci, for changing Uhura for the better. (I loved Nichelle Nichols, but not how Uhura was treated then.) I love, too, that Uhura now has a first name.

My family is eagerly looking forward to this film. We are going to see the movie on my daughter’s birthday! We can’t wait! What a lovely birthday!

The wait is almost over!

121. AyanEva - May 1, 2013

I feel like this will probably lead to an awesome scene where this potential “liability” saves the day and is a strength. Perfect set up for it.

122. Keachick - May 1, 2013

Only seven more days to go before I can go see STID!

123. LizardGirl - May 1, 2013

Alright BB! (119) Just for you I’ll tweak my earlier comment. ^_^

Spock’s the logic
Uhura’s the heart
McCoy’s the soul
Kirk is (a combination) all of the above!!!!

Anyways, Uhura’s no longer a second string character. So trekkers need to lighten up a bit.

124. Phil DeBrier - May 1, 2013

@115. Extortion.

125. McCoy's#1Fan - May 1, 2013

I am so glad to see all the support for McCoy.. and I am starting to feel better about his role in the new movie. I just couldn’t see how Abrams called Kirk/Spock/Uhura the new Big 3… especially after the way it
was Karl as Bones that really popped off the screen in the first movie.

Does anyone know if Abrams has commented on the McCoy/Uhura
debate?

I am glad they are making the Uhura character the person she should
have always been. Now if they can just do something about Quinto – casting him as Spock was a very poor choice.(Even Bruce Greenwood as Pike was better!)

126. Keachick - May 1, 2013

#124 – “Extortion”? What does that mean?

127. ObsessiveStarTrekFan - May 1, 2013

@125. McCoy’s#1Fan

I’d disagree with your comment regarding Quinto’s Spock. It seems to me, from what I’ve seen in the 2009 movie and the clips from STID, that he does a very good job of embodying the seething volcano of emotions plastered over with a veneer (very thin at times) of stoicism.

The veneer is thinner than Nimoy’s Spock usually possessed, but this Spock is younger and this universe is different. That difference is intentional on the part of Abrams and company, and is not a defect of the actor. It is also my understanding that Nimoy is quite happy with Quinto’s treatment of the character.

I have noticed that some people complain that Quinto’s Spock is too snarky. To those people, I have one suggestion: go re-watch TOS , and rediscover just how snarky Spock could be…

128. Marja - May 1, 2013

Might be worth it to see Hobbit2 if only for that voice. Cumberbatch FTW.

39, Uhura counters Spock b/c she is comfortable displaying her emotions and being heartfelt and he is dealing with emotional conflict within. It’s not an overt debate as in TOS, it’s character contrast.

28, Batleh, wait, let me guess, McCoy should be getting more attention because it was that way in TOS? It’s an Alternate Universe, it’s an Alternate Universe, it’s an Alternate Universe.

McCoy has great importance because HE’S THE ONE WHO GOT KIRK ON THE ENTERPRISE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

106 Sean, Thank you so much – exactly. Shouting is apparently okay in the emotion department.

Uhura’s featured in previews b/c she’s a woman and women are a GREAT part of the ST audience.

112 LizardGirl, thank you for your summation. I really think there is a central *quartet* here, not the vaunted “troika” from the Prime Universe.

119 I have always loved McCoy too, and I don’t think he will be – or is being – marginalized. Urban had equal screen time with Saldana in the 2009 movie.

120, YES! For those who don’t know or seem to have forgotten, Roddenberry’s original vision of Trek featured Number One who was a female character and second-in-command of the Enterprise. In “Mirror, Mirror” Uhura got to show some of her fighting ability and Kirk-like powers of deception, but that was one of very few times. Females took a “back seat” because of NBC’s fear of sponsor disapproval if women were given positions of authority. Disservice to Majel Barrett [who was then given the awful, stereotypical role of Chapel] and to Nichelle Nichols.

127, I agree. TOS Spock was indeed snarky at times esp with McCoy.

Keachick, thank you for saying that expressing emotion takes strength too. The stoic heros of the 60s who always hid their emotions are not the complex dramatic protagonists of today.

Let’s take Don Draper of Mad Men for example. He overtly hides emotions, as did all the heroes in movies and TV of the early 60s. That’s helping wreck his life b/c he can’t be true to himself; he hardly knows who his true self is – he’s hidden it for so long. The show depicts how destructive adhering to this stereotype can be to a man. Yes it takes strength to do that, but that is now an outdated value.

In Star Trek I think the writers are showing that there must be a balance and Spock is slowly finding that balance. This cycle of the movies shows him in extremis. We may see a more “balanced” Spock in the third movie. We won’t know till then.

Guys if you want to see unemotional men you can see other action movies. Orci and company are giving us complex characters in an action setting, not an action movie with simple revenge at its “heart.” Instead of experiencing NO consequences for vengeful behavior [as in many action movies where heroes emotionlessly kill “bad guy” characters] the hero, Kirk, and his crew, will apparently suffer for his vengeful behavior – Harrison will exploit Kirk’s weaknesses [shown in a previous clip with Harrison in the Brig coldly talking to and manipulating emotional Kirk] and make him suffer. We are being given an action movie but also a story with many sides.

A moral story with heart, like the best stories of TOS.

129. Platitude - May 1, 2013

Looks like a klingon to me. I’m excited!

130. James McFadden - May 1, 2013

Robert Beltran, Robert Duncan McNeill, Ethan Phillips and Jeri Ryan would look nice with Romulan faces in the Abramsverse. Chris Rock would also look good dressed up as a member of the House of Mogh.

131. Tanner "The Dude" Waterbury - May 2, 2013

I’ve ALWAYS wondered what a Klingon on Chemo looks like! Seriously… Why no beard and eyebrows? I’m not digging the chemo look.

132. gingerly - May 2, 2013

Gene Roddenberry would be cringing at all the so-called Trekkies being upset and uncomfortable with this fulfillment of embracing diversity on Earth so we can be ready to meet it up in the stars.

Yes, *of course*, modern Trekkies are angry that the character

…who actually was the third most popular character on TOS, according to fanmail volume -which was hidden from Nichelle Nichols because she is black, by the way,

…who watched a brand new white actress step into the prominent female role, alien, human, ally, and villain for every TOS movie (Illia, Saavik, Dr. Marcus, Gillian, and Valeris).

Is now stepping into what a role Bones served appropriately in the 1960’s but should be antiquated by today’s standards. McCoy is a white southern man who is afraid of all things different.

*Of course* he was the heart; representing the audience back in the 1960’s but I would hope that we’ve evolved since then.

Given the reactions, however, I think not.

133. Phil - May 2, 2013

@126. Look it up yourself. I’m assuming they have libraries in your corner of the world.

134. ObsessiveStarTrekFan - May 2, 2013

@132. gingerly

Well said. I am getting sick of hearing how Uhura is unfairly overshadowing McCoy. I love Urban’s portrayal, by the way. I believe there is room for them both to play their parts as foils to the main protagonists.

One quibble, though: Ilia was played by the late Persis Khambatta – an Indian actress from Mumbai. She was no western, white actress.

135. Phil - May 2, 2013

@94. Really? How long have you been here? I’ll not be an apologist for the reboot’s weaknesses, and there are only two – the production team plays loose with science, and for whatever reason they make Kirk the slacker/repeat offender who got lucky. No issues with the ship or it’s design (been beat up plenty for suggesting it’s probably one of the more plausible designs to come through the Trek universe), and the rest of the cast seems to have been successful outside of the franchise to some degree or another. No issue with Spock/Uhura, though I’d like to see them be a bit more professional about it. As far as weak links go, yeah, that Pine all right, but it could have been worse, and hopefully he grows into the role. As he’s portrayed now nuKirk is not someone anyone in their right mind would follow into battle, and from what we have seen so far it looks like the production has also recognized this and seems to at least to be making the effort to right that wrong.

136. Keachick - May 2, 2013

Phil deBrier at #124 commented on my post #115 with the word “extortion”, with no explanation as to why that comment/word was used.

I queried the post.

I am querying it again, because I do not understand what “extortion” has to do with what I wrote in post #115. What’s more, I don’t have to look anything up. This poster was the one who made the comment which requires an explanation.

137. Phil - May 2, 2013

@136. Your lengthy piece of prose posed a question, I answered it. If you don’t understand the word, look it up.

138. Keachick - May 2, 2013

“In terms of fraternization, ie liability of being romantically involved with a work colleague, how does that pose any greater liability than any other kind of relationship?”

Actually I asked two questions but I guess this was the question you answered with “extortion”. Every relationship carries a risk of being abused by one of the parties involved, irrespective of whether people work together or not.

139. Superquerulant - May 2, 2013

I like the style of the new klingons… or at least this particular klingon.

The TNG klingons were stupid space vikings and this new design actually keeps nuances of their “warrior spirit” while on the other hand it makes them look much more “military”!

140. Mark - May 2, 2013

Soul of the Enterprise!

That’s hilarious!

141. gingerly - May 2, 2013

@134

“One quibble, though: Ilia was played by the late Persis Khambatta – an Indian actress from Mumbai. She was no western, white actress.”

Noted.

But I would say, that like Keanu Reeves, she is definitely coded as “white” and I doubt that if she had been brown she would have been in that role.

142. captain_neill - May 2, 2013

Not too keen on the new Klingon look, the eyes are to reptilian.

They could have mixed theTOS and TNG era Klingons as Enterprise’s explaation allows for both versions. Why keep Vulcans the same when you change Klingons?

143. Ha - May 2, 2013

Uhura is the soul of the Enterprise? All she ever did was to run after Spock…

#103, I agree. Kirk is the soul of the Enterprise.

144. LogicalLeopard - May 2, 2013

110. Jefferies Tuber – May 1, 2013
“soul” is a benignly racist way to describe Uhura:Star Trek. She was a minor character. Now she’s not. I support that development.

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*LOL* Sorry, I disagree. As a black man, I can’t say that the thought that saying that Uhura was the “soul” of the Enterprise was racially tinged occurred to me, or would have ever occurred to me. To me, this is kind of a simple matter of interpretation of the word soul.

Some people use it to describe a person who reflects the emotional heart of a group, the sensitivity that grounds them. In this case, Uhura would qualify. It’s kind of like this: to determine the soul (in that sense) of a group, what person would you LEAST like to see hurt, not just physically, but emotionally. What person would illicit a response like, “Of all the people you had to do that to…” or “He/She didn’t deserve that!”

But of course, some people use “heart” to describe the above person, and use “soul” to describe the person who is invigorating, challenging, passionate, and is the spokespersonfor the “gut” responses of the group. The one in a group who is the first to say “That doesn’t sit right with me” or “This is baloney” although everyone may be secretly thinking it. I think that’d be Bones, because he’s vocal, passionate, and has the Captain’s ear. Remember, Uhura’s never really been involved in the high decisionmaking.

So, yes, I think Uhura may be described more as the heart and Bones as the soul, but to describe Uhura as the soul is an interpretation of the word I can understand.

145. Jeyl - May 2, 2013

She did brush off Spock’s orders to initiate an evacuation order on Vulcan when it only had minutes left. That’s basically saying that her love for her boyfriend is more important than the billions of innocent men, women and children on Vulcan.

146. LogicalLeopard - May 2, 2013

107. Jemini – May 1, 2013
there is an obvious bias against Uhura here sometimes disguised as “where is my Bones?”

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Exactly, and I think it originated with the first movie cover/posters. When you have three individuals, and it’s not Kirk, Spock, McCoy, people get bent out of shape because they think the Trekly Trinity has been disrupted. So there’s this illogical hatred of Uhura that wells up all the time. But come on, lets face it, Zoe Saldana is a bigger star than Karl Urban here in the States, and/or has a better agent who got her top billing. And even if she DOES end up getting better coverage than Bones (which hasn’t happened yet, I’ll argue), what’s the loss? A character that was previously ill defined becoming more defined? Oh, the horror! Normally this is the sort of thing fans LIKE.

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the notion that Uhura is the least interesting character also is pretentious as h*ll. I, for one, love Bones but I don’t really care about Scotty or Simon Pegg beyond him being the comic relief of the movies. I actually prefer Sulu over him and I’d rather have Sulu getting more screentime than him, tbh. and of course I love Uhura way more than Scotty, I care about what happens to her and I see potential in her interactions with the characters that I cannot imagine with Scotty. Uhura is pretty popular as a character too. More than Scotty, I’d say, if we look at the amount of fanworks dedicated to her. So marketing-vise, it surely makes sense for her to get featured in the promotional stuff.

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Well, I disagree with you slightly on Uhura being the least interesting character, but that’s a matter of terminology. Uhura (prior to ST09) was arguably the least interesting character because her character was the most poorly defined. And that’s interesting from the standpoint of what was available on her was not interesting, because it was hardly nothing. Not from the standpoint of, “Huh….I’m interested in finding out more about her.” She’s arguably very interesting from that standpoint, because we don’t know anything much about her. That’s probably why there’s so much fanfic, because it allows people to flesh out her story. Like I said before, we should ALL be interested in the development of her character. I’d love a movie where Kirk, Spock, and McCoy were unconscious and kidnapped for most of the movie, and Scotty, Uhura, Chekov, and Sulu had to save them, while reminscing on their personal histories with lots of flashbacks *L*

147. Dswynne - May 2, 2013

You guys suck. Of course, McCoy isn’t the ‘soul’ of the crew; he’s the ‘heart’. Uhura is to Spock, as McCoy is to Kirk. After all, aren’t the main stars of the JJ-Trek Kirk and Spock, and how they are learning how to be partners?

148. Trekkiegal63 - May 2, 2013

Bit late to this thread (my car was hit on the freeway yesterday *sigh*) but felt the need to chime in regardless…

36. Moputo Jones

#31: I know this is going to set people off, but aren’t women more caring and emotional than men? The last time I looked, there weren’t too many wars started by women.

A few names for you:

Joan of Arc
Golda Meir
Pentilesea
Tomyris
Boudica
Isabela la Catolica
Aefelflaed
Indira Gandhi
Matilda of Tuscany
Elizabeth I
Margeret Thatcher
Catherine The Great
Hapshepsut
Anne

149. Trekkiegal63 - May 2, 2013

As for the ‘message’… I see Hollywood’s propensity to classify/identify women by their interpersonal relationships continues without relent *sigh*.

150. Phil - May 2, 2013

@148. That’s not good. Hopefully not to much damage.

Women have not started to many wars for the simple reason that throughout human history, they didn’t hold the power necessary to start those wars. I suspect that had human culture organized as matriarchal women would have started their fair share…

151. Superquerulant - May 2, 2013

Sorry … but everyone who is bit…ing about the new klingon look being “too reptilian” doesn`t know sh… about the original design from TMP.

Actually the idea behind the original design was that the klingons were offsprings of shellfishs aka crabs and lobsters!!!!!

Keeping that in mind the “reptilian thing” doesn`t sound so bad to me at all…

152. Unwanted - May 2, 2013

@135. I have been around here a whole lot longer than you think, years now, and I am not being an “appologist” for frikin anything. You say the reboot has weaknesses, I saw you are flat out wrong, and full of yourself. You are so frikin negative you make Captain Neil look like a moderate and you make Buzz Cagney look like a JJ supporter, it’s just riduculous, and always will be. If I was to judge just from your comments on this site I would believe you are not, and never have been, a Trek fan, that is the impression you have given me since the very first of your posts I read.

If you have a problem with my honesty, its not my problem, and I don’t care. After all I call myself Unwanted for a reason, I expect ALL of you to hate me at some point, because I disagree with every single one of you about something and when that subject comes up I have no problem expressing it, and I never will, no matter who I am talking to.

153. Phil - May 2, 2013

@152. Wow…that’s quite the persecution complex you are working on there, buddy. You are entitled to whatever opinions you want – you know, your comments stand on their own, others can conclude what they wish.

Cheers…

154. Trekkiegal63 - May 2, 2013

#150 Phil:

Nah, just some minor body work, thank goodness. The important thing is that no one was physically hurt, though I am a little bit sore today (my air bag was discharged so I think the soreness actually stems from impact with that rather than the accident itself). Thanks for asking! :)

Yes, it is definitely true that more men than women have led their countries to war for the sheer purpose that there have been far more male leaders. However, I agree that women would have started their fair share had there been more of them. What the list above shows? Out of the few female leaders history records, women haven’t exactly been shy when it comes to conflict, many of them going on to win their battles, such as Elizabeth’s defeat of the Spanish armada, for example.

155. Keachick - May 2, 2013

Women, given the chance, are happy to go into battle, or more likely have hundreds/thousands of others be wounded and/or die, for their own (often) sordid, nefarious reasons. That’s a good thing? I guess so…competing and outdoing is everything…:(

156. Disinvited - May 2, 2013

# 85. Kirk’s Girdle – May 1, 2013

“(truthfully, I could never understand how McCoy could be bleeding heart liberal with high ideals on one hand, while being virulently racist toward Spock and demeaningly sexist toward Chapel at the same time” – Kirk’s Girdle

Not meaning this as “justification” but in its time I took the performance to be highly understandable as in a vestigial remnant of McCoy’s heritage of being an “enlightened” Southern gentleman.

157. Phil - May 2, 2013

@154. Good to hear no one was hurt. Just a heads up, relative to the value of the car, don’t be surprised if your carrier declares it a loss based on the air bag deployment. For whatever reason airbags cost a fortune to replace.

I’d expect a leader, regardless of their gender, to defend the interests of their nation (or state). Judgment on the validity of conflict is in the purview of historians, but if events of the last ten years are any reflection, colossally bad judgment seems to be no respecter of gender. Everyone deserves the chance to fail, as well as succeed.

158. Trekkiegal63 - May 3, 2013

#158 Phil:

… thanks for the heads-up. That would figure, I was in the car that was paid off. Murphy and his laws at it again.

… but if events of the last ten years are any reflection, colossally bad judgment seems to be no respecter of gender.

Good point. And just to clarify I am no way, shape or form glorifying warfare (I agree with you that the past decade has been one cluster… well, you know, after another). My point was simply that stereotyping women as sweet and docile is a hasty generalization at worst and completely naive at best, because when push comes to shove, women are equally capable of taking action and implementing tactics, as history has shown us. Joan of Arc, for example, won three battles and at the age of 17 no less. But yes, you’re right, our actions are what make us who we are, and good and/or bad actions know no gender bias. We all have it in us to do both, sometimes simultaneously.

159. Jemini - May 3, 2013

145. Jeyl – May 2, 2013
“She did brush off Spock’s orders to initiate an evacuation order on Vulcan when it only had minutes left. That’s basically saying that her love for her boyfriend is more important than the billions of innocent men, women and children on Vulcan.”

she didn’t brush off his orders, she asked the acting captain why he was leaving his post. If you remember Kirk asked him what he was about to do to too (and even called him crazy if I remember well), the difference is that while he didn’t reply to Kirk he DID reply to Uhura and he sort of admitted that (or at least it was implied) that he was going to save his parents and had no other choice.
Which leads me to what I think is the purpose of the scene that is a hint, albeit subtle, that they indeed have a relationship that goes beyond co-workers. Hint of:
– them being enough familiar with each other that she could call him “Spock” (a slip)
– them being enough familiar with each other that he’d actually pause to answer her question and imply a personal reason behind his actions (i’m going because I want to save my parents)

“That’s basically saying that her love for her boyfriend is more important than the billions of innocent men, women and children on Vulcan”

I don’t know how you can take it this way when the message the scene gives is pretty much the very opposite.
You see that she’s concerned and she obviously doesn’t want him to go BUT there is not a single hint of her trying to stop him. She asks if there is a better alternative than him having to risk his life but there was no one and you see her accepting it. The exchange between them lasts some seconds and she ran to her job as soon as he’s gone.
The way S/U look at each other while the turbolift doors close on them is clearly (to me) two people sort of saying goodbye to each other without having the time to do so (and without having the chance, in that moment, to say good bye without revealing the relationship to other crew members which could further explain why later on the transport pad he’s like hell with it and he kisses her in front of Kirk)
The scene, the way she looks at him is a good example of what it means to have personal relationship but still be an officer.

Also, why it took so much time for Spock to get on the transport pad? Surely it’s not Uhura that delayed the whole thing since from the moment S/U shared that last look and the moment where Kirk and Sulu are rematerialized on the pad a lot of things happen and Spock seems to just get there. I guess he did other things in the mean time.

160. LogicalLeopard - May 3, 2013

145. Jeyl – May 2, 2013
“She did brush off Spock’s orders to initiate an evacuation order on Vulcan when it only had minutes left. That’s basically saying that her love for her boyfriend is more important than the billions of innocent men, women and children on Vulcan.”

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It was an overisignt in the script. There are many in Trek. Lets not call Uhura a mass murderer yet *L* I mean, if we want to go that route, why doesn’t Spock order all transporter bays to mass transport every single life sign they can get a lock on instead of saying, “I’m going after Mommy and Daddy.” Yeah, the Vulcan Council or whatever may be important enough for him to take the time to transport down, but that transporter bay should have been packed with refugees. But all of that is sacrificed for drama, and I say the scene was well done.

161. Keachick - May 3, 2013

Spock was suddenly leaving his post at the worst possible moment. Lt Uhura would have been derelict not to ask what Spock was doing in such circumstances. The bridge crew needed to know and so did the audience.

162. Fantomex - May 4, 2013

@28: Because it bears repeating:

On the original series McCoy was the chief doctor on the Enterprise. This business of over-analyzing and assigning the characters symbolic roles is something that fans came up with, possibly in fanzines during the original NBC run but more likely during the 1970s and that Roddenberry repeated back retrospectively. You don’t find much of that stuff in things like, oh, the writers guidelines for the series.

Something to think about next time you diss Uhura’s role in this movie.

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