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Trekcore’s “Into Darkness” deleted scenes investigation March 3, 2014

by Matt Wright , Filed under: DVD/Blu-ray,Star Trek Into Darkness , trackback

As many of you may remember, Paramount Home Video and Bad Robot pulled quite the shenanigans on us consumers when it came time to release Star Trek Intro Darkness on home video. Extras were made retailer (and e-tailer) exclusive, if you wanted a commentary the only way to get that was to get it from iTunes, other special features were only available via Xbox Live, and so on. So most people didn’t get to see the deleted scenes. Well Trekcore has vigilantly assembled all the sources of deleted scenes they can get their hands on. This includes the famous “why Carol Markus has a British accent” scene, as well as the meeting of Kirk and Lucille Harewood (the young girl saved by Khan’s blood early in the movie) during the ending commemoration ceremony. There’s lots more to read in Trekcore’s two articles.

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Part One

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Part Two

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1. Logicalleopard - March 3, 2014

First?

2. Logicalleopard - March 3, 2014

Yay, my first first!

3. njdss4 - March 3, 2014

Glad I got to find out what’s in those deleted scenes, because it looks like I’ll never own them. I flat out refuse to purchase Star Trek Into Darkness until they put every single special feature into one reasonably priced package. It used to be standard that movie releases came with all the special features available because it made the product more appealing. Now Paramount/Bad Robot is content to screw us over so that they can cozy up to retailers. They’ve shown where their loyalties lie, and I’m showing where mine lie, and it’s not with them.

4. Jeff - March 3, 2014

njdss4, you are not alone in that thinking.

5. scotchyscotchscotch - March 3, 2014

WOW… can we get any explanation on why there was a TOS style Constitution model hanging in his office??

6. scotchyscotchscotch - March 3, 2014

the rest of the stuff… meh

7. omegaman - March 3, 2014

… or why the Vengeance, a secret ship, appears at the end of the line of models behind Marcus’s desk?

8. Chancellor Gowron - March 3, 2014

It’s too bad they don’t have video of those scenes. I already bought the Blu-Ray, so I’m not going to pay for the movie again on X-box, or whatever. I was disappointed by the lack of special features on the Blu-ray, anyway.

9. Marja - March 3, 2014

@5 Scotchyscotch, It certainly begs the question of “separate timelines.”

As for the deleted scenes, some should have been kept in or changed; others, sayanora!

10. Cygnus-X1 - March 3, 2014

The explanation of the accent seems like a cut-able scene, though there are so few dialogue scenes in this movie where people are just talking that maybe they should have left it in just to add a bit of substance—and, even in this scene they have Carol in a hurry to deal with the torpedoes:

Captain Kirk has Carol Marcus by the arm, escorting her through the corridors of the Enterprise.

CAROL
Are the torpedoes in the weapons bay?

KIRK
Loaded and ready to fire. What are they?

CAROL
I don’t know, that’s why I thought I might transfer on to your ship to find out.

Carol turns, stopping the walk-and-talk.

CAROL
Why, I do apologize for that. By the way, if I caused you any problems, I am sorry. I’m Carol Marcus.

KIRK
James Kirk.

CAROL
(Remembering) Torpedos.

She spins around, racing away, heading for the shuttlebay. As the pair travel through the ship, they have to traverse the catwalks running through the engine room.

KIRK
The torpedo bay’s in the other direction.

CAROL
Yes, I’m well aware.

Kirk is tired of her deception.

KIRK
Look, you can drop the accent, all right?

CAROL
No, that’s real. My father was stationed in London when I was born, and my mother raised me there.

KIRK
So, these torpedoes — they’re your father’s? Are you investigating your own father?

The pair arrive in the shuttlebay.

CAROL
When I joined Starfleet, I had access to every program he oversaw. I heard he was developing these prototype torpedoes — when I went to confront him about it, he wouldn’t even see me. That’s when I discovered the torpedoes had disappeared from all official records.

KIRK
Then he gave ‘em to me.

11. Kevin - March 3, 2014

@ 8. Chancellor Gowron

They say they have the video, but they can’t post or share it for copyright reasons.

12. Chancellor Gowron - March 3, 2014

@11 Well, I assume that they have the video if they were able to provide us with transcripts. I just wish that all the special features weren’t exclusive to X-Box and iTunes and all that other nonsense.

13. Son of Jello - March 3, 2014

Why do we have to pay for material that would otherwise be thrown on the floor and never thought of again. Why not make it available without making civilized people jump thru plot holes from Abrams latest efforts in his little boy directors chair. It wasn’t even a good movie.

14. Finnigan - March 3, 2014

Even with the deleted scenes this movie was dismal. Poor writing and weak direction. The Khan story was poorly executed. The “magic blood” was almost as bad as Star Wars’ Midi-chlorians, almost. STID was an underwhelming disappointment.

15. ME!! - March 3, 2014

Or maybe it’s the design of the “future” Enterprise because Marcus (and the crew of the film) realized the one with the fat nacelles that are too close together & the neck that’s too far back is just not cutting it.

I can only hope & pray….

16. Platitude - March 3, 2014

Great movie, its too bad it didn’t get the home video release it deserved.

17. Harry Ballz - March 3, 2014

Let’s see……Star Trek Into Darkness was a muddled, convoluted, contrived mess.

Now someone is asking for money for us to watch added footage of said mess.

M’yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

%#$@&^%#!!!!

18. Vultan - March 3, 2014

I’m really liking that ship design.
It’s reminiscent of Star Trek.

19. Jack - March 4, 2014

Amen, Harry.

20. Armandeus - March 4, 2014

I’m pretty sure the “Pike relieves Kirk of command in a fatherly way” cut scene was included in the Japanese theatrical release (English with Japanese subtitles). It seemed very familiar when I read it.

21. KAPT KRUNCH - March 4, 2014

I was hoping there was a deleted scene of Kirk’s parents as they are mentioned in the credits..maybe a flashback scene??

22. ensign joe - March 4, 2014

Still haven’t seen it… Yowza!

23. martin - March 4, 2014

You can see all the deleted scenes and a blooper of dancing Klingons on youtube ‘stid deleted scenes’

24. martin - March 4, 2014

star trek into darkness deleted scenes and a blooper on the link below

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=stid%20deleted%20scenes&sm=3

25. The Keeper - March 4, 2014

Lets pay more for the greatest missed opportunity to tell an exciting “original” story in Star Trek Cinema History.
To any Paramount Executives who might take a peek here…Seriously, dudes, get a grip on reality .
The chosen story line of STID was the biggest mistake ever.
Fire Robert Orci as a writer before it’s too late, while you still have time for new writers to craft a truly exciting and original story line using the very talented actors you currently have.

26. LogicalLeopard - March 4, 2014

23. The Keeper: I think that’s a little dramatic. This IS an original story, although it builds upon events that occurred prior to Space Seed. The only thing that really wasn’t original was the warp core death scene twist. And this is Star Trek, we should be used to alternate realities. It’s not as huge an issue as people make it to be. I think a lot of people are judging this movie for the movie it could have been, not the movie it is. And that’s unfair. You can like it or hate it, but hate it on it’s own terms, like it on it’s own terms. Personally, I keyed in on the Kirk story, which is phenomenal. You’ve got this bad kid does well story from the first movie, and now you have him face some challenges that really cut to the heart of his character, and even the essense of the prime Kirk character. And it looks like it ends badly. Lots of people zero on the Spock “Khannnn!” yell, but I was too absorbed in the actual death scene, and the death of all that potential. Pine did a great job with it, all the way through the movie, really. But that’s my opinion. Everyone is entitled to one. I just ask that they judge it on what they saw, not what they wanted.

27. LogicalLeopard - March 4, 2014

I bought the first DVD, but I haven’t bought this one. It’s really a shame that the DVD doesn’t really have many extras at all. I can settle for having more on blu-ray, or maybe one exclusive disc with all the extras that was promoted through a store or pre order or something, but….come on….no commentary track? A few deleted scenes? A blooper reel? That’s ridiculous.

28. Cygnus-X1 - March 4, 2014

22. martin – March 4, 2014

Thanks for the link.

The “Captain’s Log” scene is kinda funny—Chris Pine makes it work. It shows us how immature and unready for command Kirk is, setting up what could have been a great redemption theme—Kirk losing his command, learning hard lessons and growing as a person throughout the course of the movie, and perhaps earning his command back at the very end, or even leaving that unresolved until the next movie. That could have been a good movie.

29. Who cares - March 4, 2014

I already had this stuff months ago, I bought the XBox smartglass edition of STID before the DVD/Bluray versions were even released. Then I got a Bluray version for my birthday. Frankly I never cared much for “special features” on movies and I don’t usually bother to even watch them, deleted scenes are an exception most times, but I didn’t buy the XBox smartglass STID for them, I bought it so I could watch the movie again whenever I want.

30. Danpaine - March 4, 2014

I’ll never spend another dime related to anything having to do with this film.

31. CmdrR - March 4, 2014

Thanks for posting this.

I’m sure we’d all have been geeking over a Connie in Marcus’ office.

In fact… let the geek-fest begin with me:

SO… this is 100% proof that in JJ#3Trek we go back to the TOS prime universe. Yay!

If only…

32. James - March 4, 2014

The barrage of entitled online outrage from fans over these extras, with people taking to forums to absolutely demand that they must get them as a matter of moral principle, completely ignores the business logistics that have led Paramount to release the movie in the way that they did.

Paramount absolutely did NOT botch this release – it’s about the bottom line and the fact is that Star Trek Into Darkness was #3 in 2013 for Rentals and Digital Purchases and according to iTunes, it was the #4 best selling film of 2013.

As for all the negativity STID is the most critically acclaimed summer blockbuster of 2013, with overwhelmingly positive reviews, 87% of critics liked it and 90% of the audience liked it on RT. It had a respectable box office performance, making it the most-watched Trek film ever!

33. LogicalLeopard - March 4, 2014

30. James – I see what you’re saying as far as Paramount “not botching” this release….but I wonder….will there be hard feelings over this sort of release that echo into the future? Now, I’m sort of ignorant about this…I don’t buy many DVD’s, and don’t keep up with all the facets of releases, but is this sort of release a new trend in the industry? I mean, releasing different extras through different media/stores? I mean, I don’t have a blu-ray player, so I could live with the fact that there are extras on the blu-ray that are not on the DVD. But, seriously, getting something as basic as a audio commentary on Itunes? If STID came with extras, I would have bought it. It didn’t, so I just rent it from the library when I want to watch it. Obviously, a lot of people didn’t feel the same way I did, and bought it, which is great, because I want the franchise to stay as profitable as possible. But back to my rambling point, do you think this multiple copy/multiple platform scattering of extras is going to become standard and unavoidable through out the industry, or do you think it’s going to turn people off to the point where sales drop (or don’t meet expectations)?

34. JRT! - March 4, 2014

Oh they botched it alright,what about all the people opting not to buy this and wait for the proper release instead,like me? lol! No,they screwed up,BIG time. Business wise they might not have,but of course they wanna get the fans’ money a few more times. I can wait. Loved the movie,but I’ll watch a downloaded version someone gave me till I get the proper release. Plain and simple.

J-R!

35. Nony - March 4, 2014

Was hoping the deleted scenes might contain McCoy’s missing character arc, but I guess it never existed…Anyway, I can see why these were cut, but I think they should have left the little girl scene in. The fact that that family just disappeared from the narrative after the first twenty minutes, or however long it was, was a weakness.

I did like the scene of Uhura dancing with the Klingons, and I think that should have been the whole movie.

36. c - March 4, 2014

Several words:

I’ve have not bought Into darkness and now i know why…

37. Yanks - March 4, 2014

Interesting comments all. So, do we think STID would have been a better, more complete film had they not cut this stuff out? Can’t see these vids at work, but just how much time are we talking about here? Is there more substance that just explaining her British accent? (which was the very least of the gripes I had with this film)

38. Ahmed - March 4, 2014

@24. martin

Thanks a lot for the link.

Here are the deleted scenes from that link :

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Star Trek Into Darkness Deleted Scene 01 – Captain’s Log

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTNjd6AMO_U

Star Trek Into Darkness Deleted Scene 02 – Thomas Calls Marcus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nocOwybJoTw

Star Trek Into Darkness Deleted Scene 03 – Kirk Watches Pike Get Shot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF8S5O0K8Jc

Star Trek Into Darkness Deleted Scene 04 – Kronos Fight Before Khan Arrives

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ew41unlpZE

Star Trek Into Darkness Deleted Scene 05 – Carol’s Accent Explained

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1WbA8Ek6A4

Star Trek Into Darkness Deleted Scene 06 – Scotty Talking to Hangar Control

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub2mJ4jSwJo

Star Trek Into Darkness Deleted Scene 07 – The Harewoods

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJaVTX6HAFo

=======================================

After watching these scenes, I think they should have kept the Captain’s Log scene in the movie.

39. THX-1138 - March 4, 2014

#32

You are either a plant or an apologist. The Bluray release of this movie has been a disaster. There is no need to comment further on the content of the film itself.

I won’t buy this movie until it is either packaged with the extras in one place or I find it in the bargain bin for $5.

I will say that the best part of the movie would have been the TOS “style” Connie. Figures that they cut it out.

40. Who cares - March 4, 2014

@34. You mean the tiny minority of whiny little pain in the a__es? I would say the fact that STID was the best selling DVD/Bluray for more than a month after its release shows clearly that those people had no appreciable effect on STID sales.

41. JRT! - March 4, 2014

Maybe not,but I bet that in the back of their minds,Paramount knowing they could’ve had just that little bit more money,must be very annoying for them,lol! And I don’t believe it’s a tiny minority……minority,sure,but not tiny. But who cares. Some like a proper release with everything in one place,and some just like to watch the movie and don’t care about extras one way or the other. And I bet a LOT of these whiny little pain in the a_es,as you call them,secretly bought the dvd or br even if they said they wouldn’t. LOL! I have the movie,but it will remain a download till the next release.

J-R!

42. Ahmed - March 4, 2014

If you live in Canada, you don’t need to buy the DVD or the blu-ray, you can watch STID on Netflix Canada.

All of the deleted scenes are on youtube as Martin pointed out on his comment #24.

The only scene that they should have kept was the “Captain’s Log” scene. It was a fun & good scene.

@Matt Wright, was my post where I put all the deleted scenes together removed or still in the moderation pipe ?

43. Ahmed - March 4, 2014

oops , never mind, the comment is back now :)

44. LogicalLeopard - March 4, 2014

36. Yanks

I don’t think the deleted scenes necessarily make it a better, more complete film. Directors have to take in mind the pacing of the movie, the overall time, what’s important, and what’s not. The Marcus scene just proves what I assumed anyway – this Carol Marcus was raised in England because her father was stationed there at some point. When you look at the movie and see that Adm. Marcus is stationed at the London HQ, and his daughter has a British accent, it’s not necessary to say that on film. Now, I’m not disparaging you personally, because like you, I think most of us Trek fans want things cemented in dialogue. I’m just talking about the editing process.

The big problem I think is that all of this stuff wasn’t included on the blu-ray release, and to get the complete extras/outtakes/bloopers/commentaries, you would have had to go to several different stores and use several different media platforms. That’s just ridiculous. I mean, it’s one thing to put some extras on the DVD, put more on the blu-ray, and maybe put some exclusives on the download. But to have people go to Target for this, Best Buy for that, XBox for this, Itunes for that, it’s ridiculous. Now, that’s not to say it won’t produce a nice profit, which it apparently has, even ignoring whatever money they got for the side deal excusives they cut, but really, I wonder how strategies like this work with fans long term. Are people going to eventually get used to their being content that they can’t get with whatever they choose to purchase, and purchase what appeals to them? Or are people going to stop purchasing altogether, and maybe even start stealing what they want through piracy? I’m not sure about all the technical aspects of it, but this produces a more compelling case for piracy (although I personally don’t agree with it), I could care less about movie prices – you want to see the movie, you pay for the ticket. Ticket too much, wait till it comes out on video, Netflix, HBO, network television, etc. But, they’re just playing with our emotions on this *LOL* Yes, bonus content isn’t owed to us, but it’s kind of like making you go to several different screenings of a movie to see the blooper scenes or after credits scenes that are typically shown during/after the credits of the same movie.

45. Colin - March 4, 2014

The problem I have with the argument – if a product gets 90% of critical approval, it must be good – is that I have seen where the product had major flaws. I am thinking about Skyrim and Mass Effect 3, which both got great reviews, yet were in the former a game that was extremely buggy and in the latter was less cohesive and not as thought out as the earlier installments.

Audiences have different expectations of what a film or tv show should be. They want a faster pace to their stories and less tolerance for those things which slow down the pace. For some of us, those slow moments were one of the reasons we came to love that show. The most successful of the original Star Trek films, The Voyage Home, didn’t have many action set pieces. The focus was on the charactes and them solving a problem. The film was dominated by dialog. I don’t think we will see a film like this again in Star Trek.

46. Steve-O - March 4, 2014

The scene when Carol’s accent is explained would have been helpful and provided some fiber to the story. So far both JJ abrams films have lacked in dialog that builds character.

when it does happen it is rushed and feels geared towards teens. For example while in the Mudd ship- the argument between Spock and Uhura came across as juvenile.

47. LogicalLeopard - March 4, 2014

44. Steve-O – March 4, 2014

Helpful? Yes. Necessary? No. It probably ended up on the editing floor because they figured that audiences could figure it out for themselves, so they could trim it for time/flow purposes

I don’t know how you could possibly say that this and the other film lacked in dialog that builds character. Even the scene between Spock and Uhura (which was probably done in a way to appear juvenile/petty for comedic effect) spoke volumes on where Spock was mentally and emotionally after the destruction of his homeplanet. That’s good insight on his character. I think it’s fair to say that most of the character elaborating dialogue and development has focused on Kirk and Spock though. Maybe Uhura a little too.

48. Steve-o - March 4, 2014

45. LogicalLeopard

“they figured that audiences could figure it out for themselves”

you could say this about most scenes from any movie. My point is- moments like this develop characters. They make you care about what happens to them, and they give you time to breathe between the next fireworks show.

“Even the scene between Spock and Uhura (which was probably done in a way to appear juvenile/petty for comedic effect) spoke volumes on where Spock was mentally and emotionally after the destruction of his home planet. ”

As I said my perception is that it came off as juvenile and out of place. It may have spoken volumes about Spock, but i didn’t have time to digest any of it. Poor placement maybe?

I have enjoyed the new films, but this is the issue I always find myself trailing back to- I need more scenes that are dialogue driven and last more than 45seconds a clip..

49. Cygnus-X1 - March 4, 2014

32. James – March 4, 2014

I don’t know anything about the marketing logistics, but what you said here isn’t really correct:

As for all the negativity STID is the most critically acclaimed summer blockbuster of 2013, with overwhelmingly positive reviews, 87% of critics liked it and 90% of the audience liked it on RT. It had a respectable box office performance, making it the most-watched Trek film ever!

Regardless of the numbers, if you read the actual critical reviews—which I and others have posted at this site on several occasions—you will see that even the critics who recommended the movie as a fun “thrill-ride” were very critical of the movie as shallow, lacking in substance, having a non-sensical plot, and so forth. Again, those were the critics who “LIKED” the movie. You have to remember that the rating system at Rotten Tomatoes is binary: the critics either recommend the movie or they don’t. That a movie receives a high percentage of recommendations doesn’t necessarily imply that a high percentage of the critics thought highly of the movie, but simply that a high percentage of critics thought that it was “good enough” to recommend seeing.

Of all the things that can be said of STID, one thing that cannot be said is that it was “critically acclaimed.” Really, the opposite was true. The critical consensus was basically that STID was a visually-titillating thrill-ride, but little beyond that. Critics largely recommended the movie based on its production values and in spite of its dramatic, narrative and thematic values.

50. Basement Blogger - March 4, 2014

Microsoft and Paramount awaken Khan to help them form a more militarized entertainment juggernaut.. Um… sorry for that.

A few things. One. I’m pretty sure we all agree Paramount has treated Trekkers badly here. Except for James at 32. Hey, James I liked STID too but seriously trying to milk every cent from Trekkers is more than just a little greedy. You get more from your franchise by being occassionally nice. Mass Effect 3 did not charge for multiplayer maps, weapons or charcaters. Okay, that day one DLC stunk but the point is that ME3 did not try to milk every last cent from the fan. I predict no fan revolt for Mass Effect.

And fans do revolt. Remember New Coke? Right. No one does. What Trekkers should do is not buy every DVD version that came out. Buy just one. I didn’t know about XBOX Smartglass having deleted scenes but I love Blu-Ray and will not pony up the dough to rent STID through XBOX. The problem is that if Paramount keeps it up, there maybe a fan revolt. They dump a couple of new writers with no resumes on us. Then this. Feeling excited about the fiftieth anniversary Star Trek movie?

I’m lucky that I do game on XBOX but… I have to use a laptap or smartphone to get the deleted scenes to work. Plus it requires Windows Eight. Nope. Forget it. Too much trouble and money for deleted scenes. On the other hand, if Paramount charged additional money for a Specail Edition Blu Ray than I am there. But listen up, Paramount, I’m not going through the trouble of paying for STID again for the deleted scenes.

Thanks Trekcore for uncovering the scenes. They’re interesting. i understand why they were cut. But I’m more ambivalent about them then say cutting the scene in Aliens where Ripley finds out that her daughter died while she was in hibernation. Can’t believe that was cut out.

The one scene that looks amazing is of Admiral Marcus. There’s a beautiful looking Constitution class starship above him. Agree with the discussion over the change then for the new Enterprise. Did the alternate universe change Starfleet to become more militarized. Is the new Enterprise a reflection of that? It could be consistent with the theme in STID where Scotty reminds us that Starfleet’s first mission is to explore.

And is there more deleted footage? I looked at the UK trailer and there are two important scenes not in the movie. One. Admiral Marcus tells Kirk Starfleet i’s not about vendettas. Kirk says maybe it should. Two. McCoy questions whether Kirk is going after um.. Harrison. These scenes remind me of “Arena” where Kirk lets his emotions control until the end of the episode.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxYj_FO86Ls#t=61

51. James - March 4, 2014

Is there a Trek film with better scores on RT?

52. Xplodin_Nacelle - March 4, 2014

Does anyone know the significance of the ship name “Biddeford” , or her registry number, 0718?

53. Ahmed - March 4, 2014

@ 49. James – March 4, 2014

“Is there a Trek film with better scores on RT?”

Yep, 3 other Star Trek movies scored better than STID on RT:

Star Trek (2009) 95%
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_trek_11/

Star Trek – First Contact 92%
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_trek_first_contact/

Star Trek II – The Wrath of Khan 90%
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_trek_ii_the_wrath_of_khan/

Star Trek Into Darkness 87%
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_trek_into_darkness/

54. Cygnus-X1 - March 4, 2014

49. James – March 4, 2014

Is there a Trek film with better scores on RT?

I don’t know. But, like I said, score alone doesn’t say much about what the critics thought of the movie. It just says that they liked it enough to recommend seeing it. That could mean anything from “barely acceptable” to “the best movie of all time.”

55. Ahmed - March 4, 2014

@ 51. Xplodin_Nacelle – March 4, 2014

“Does anyone know the significance of the ship name “Biddeford” , or her registry number, 0718?”

Trekcore asked the same question in the article & here is what Joseph Gatt aka GATT5000 said about that number:

“@TrekCore Yes, It’s a very significant number to J.J…”

That should explained it, I guess :)

56. Ahmed - March 4, 2014

Come on, Matt. All my comments are getting stuck in the moderation queue today!!

57. Jonboc - March 4, 2014

#32. “Paramount absolutely did NOT botch this release – it’s about the bottom line and the fact is that Star Trek Into Darkness was #3 in 2013 for Rentals and Digital Purchases and according to iTunes, it was the #4 best selling film of 2013.

As for all the negativity STID is the most critically acclaimed summer blockbuster of 2013, with overwhelmingly positive reviews, 87% of critics liked it and 90% of the audience liked it on RT. It had a respectable box office performance, making it the most-watched Trek film ever!”

Yep. Stubborn old fans with old ways will never see the writing on the wall. Fortunately, for fans of this incredibly popular re-imagining, that recognition of the obvious, by older fans who don’t get the whole digital revolution, isn’t neccessary. Trek is back, back on the TOS track, making strides in the new world of downloads and is more successful than ever! And more is on the way. Life is good. :)

58. Vultan - March 4, 2014

#49

Yes.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_trek_ii_the_wrath_of_khan/
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_trek_11/
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_trek_first_contact/

59. Ahmed - March 4, 2014

@Jonboc

Good to see loyal fans like you & James who are keeping nuTrek alive & who are willing to sucked it up & pay whatever Paramount & BR ask in the “new world of downloads” through 10 different vendors :)

60. CmdrR - March 4, 2014

What’s the deal with ships’ registry numbers that begin with zero? Kelvin: NCC-0514, Biddeford: NCC-0718. Why would Starfleet issue numbers anticipating a higher/newer generation of ship? This doesn’t seem to happen until we get to JJ-land.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfleet_starship_registry#NCC

61. Chuck - March 4, 2014

No one here is ignorant of the intentional design of the JJ-verse to appeal to those who don’t WANT or CARE to know what’s come before. And it’s been five years, so bitching about it is kind of becoming a hobby now, isn’t it?

In fact, ST and STID are the ultimate jumping on points because except for the presence of old Spock and Nero’s tidy little flashback story, the viewer wouldn’t know – or need to know – they were jumping onto anything other than what started with the Kelvin.

Did Paramount botch the release? No. In fact, I’d suggest that the ongoing idea of some grumpy old fans not liking it actually plays into their marketing plans for attracting NEW fans. (Ex: “If some of the old guys hate it that much, it must be worth checking out.”)

And based on attrition over the years, even if you use it as your personal jumping OFF point, there are more people jumping ON than OFF. Net WIN for Paramount.

As for the parceling out of extras to various retailers and marketing – IMHO it won’t be Star Trek or SF genre fans, the media, critics or even movie fans in general who can force a change to this practice. It will be the retailers themselves who discover that their DVD sales drop off (or fail to stop dropping off in favor of downloading and streaming services) when they treat customers like ignorant little piggy banks.

62. Ahmed - March 4, 2014

@58. Chuck

“Did Paramount botch the release? No. In fact, I’d suggest that the ongoing idea of some grumpy old fans not liking it actually plays into their marketing plans for attracting NEW fans.”

Yeah, they could use these taglines in upcoming promotions:

”This isn’t your Grandfather’s Star Trek,”

“For teens, by teens”

“Oldies, beam out!”

63. Ahmed - March 4, 2014

Behold another Transformers masterpiece !!

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Transformers: Age of Extinction – Teaser Trailer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubGpDoyJvmI

64. Marja - March 4, 2014

21 Krunch, the actors are credited b/c their voices are heard when Kirk is “re-born” from being dead :-) — the scene from Kirk’s “first” birth.

45 Leopard, “Helpful? Yes. Necessary? No. It probably ended up on the editing floor because they figured that audiences could figure it out for themselves, so they could trim it for time/flow purposes.” Heh. Editing like, 3 1/2 minutes out of a movie? Criminey. Proves to me that Mr Abrams was all about “120 minutes or under!”

50 Explodin’Nacelle, 0718 is apparently Granddad Abrams’s birthday. Or great-uncle. Anyways, one of JJ’s favorite relatives. As for “Biddeford” I’m wondering too.

58 Chuck, “Did Paramount botch the release? No. In fact, I’d suggest that the ongoing idea of some grumpy old fans not liking it actually plays into their marketing plans for attracting NEW fans. (Ex: “If some of the old guys hate it that much, it must be worth checking out.”)” That seems a bit ridiculous. It’s pretty clear that Paramount/BR-Abrams aren’t heavily marketing to “grumpy old fans” but I really doubt they said, “Oh! let’s tick off the OLD fans, then NEW fans will be attracted!” Rully? Seems they’d have more of a good business model by appealing to BOTH. Khaaannn backfired in STiD, yes, but it didn’t make much difference in the movie’s strong box office.

65. Lemingsworth Bint - March 4, 2014

Glad all those were cut.

66. dswynne - March 4, 2014

Maybe they should have “The Complete Edition” of STiD on the next blu-ray release, with all the scenes that had been cut spliced in somehow…

On a side note, here is “The Worf of Starfleet” (a parody of the recently-released “Wolf of Wallstreet”):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_sUtXAl24o

Mash-up fake trailer, but pretty good editing of all the Worf scenes (mostly from TNG). Enjoy!

67. c - March 4, 2014

Listen you can cut the film as many times as you want to make it fit the cinema or the pace but to sell it to trekkies you must put in the film not as extras everything filmed even if it’s silly, stupid or just wrong…., we want it all and we wont buy two copies of dvd and two copies of blue ray’s i will wait for the 5 dollar deal at walmart otherwise…

68. c - March 4, 2014

simple logic

69. Cygnus-X1 - March 4, 2014

60. CmdrR – March 4, 2014

Good question.

And that’s an impressive list of ships there. Pretty amazing how big the Trek world is and how much groundwork has been laid for stories going forward that can have their own backstories and premises going in.

70. JRT! - March 5, 2014

Did Paramount botch the release? Yes. But that’s just me,and a couple of others,and I will always say yes to that,lol!

J-R!

71. Basement Blogger - March 5, 2014

@ 49

i’m shocked, shocked that Cygnus takes another pot shot at STID. It’s getting tiresome. You are worse than Captain Neill. He didn’t constantly whine about Abrams’ Trek. When he posted, he talked about other things. It seems like every other post, you take any opportunity to bash Abrams’ Trek. A long time ago I defended you on Trek 2009, now it’s time for me to stop. This time you are intellectually dishonest.

The basis of your argument is that STID did not receive critical acclaim and that the critics thought it was a “thrill ride” but they thought it was shallow and lacked substance. You say you’ve cited ‘several” reviews and imply you’ve read them all. Let’s debunk your arguments, shall we?

Cygnus says, “Of all the things that can be said of STID, one thing that cannot be said is that it was “critically acclaimed.” Really, the opposite was true.”

Wow. That’s quite a whopper. By your logic, there are no Russian troops in the Crimea either. What you are saying is that the critics thought STID was a “thrill ride” but they hated it. A movie being called shallow is not a positive review.

You conveniently ignore the facts. This time it deals with Rotten Tomatoes. Yes, RT does put reviews in positive and negative categories. They have to. That’s how they can say a movie has critical acclaim. But it’s more than a simple majority. IT’S A SUPER MAJORITY. Let me explain. RT uses the term “Fresh” to describe a film that receives critical acclaim. To get this, a movie must get sixty percent approval. A movie that receives say fifty nine percent is considered “Rotten.” Link. So, you see a movie can receive a majority of good reviews and still be critically acclaimed. So, how did STID do? It ranked at 87 percent., way above the super majority threshold. It’s not some meaningless majority as you imply in 54.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotten_Tomatoes#Description

I want to also note you again conveniently ignore the themes in STID to push the idea that the film was shallow and empty. You have said you’ve seen the film, but now I would argue you fell asleep during it. Because you miss themes like The Prime Directive, war, the war on terror, revenge and friendship. Of course, mentioning these themes destroys your premise that the movie was shallow. So I vote you fell asleep or a very fat man sat on you as you watched the movie..

But let’s test your argument that the critics who thought STID was a “thrill ride” but hated the movie or thought it was shallow. I Googled “thrill ride” and STID. Here’s one review from Rick Bently of the Fresno Bee via The Columbus Dispatch.

“The film offers a solid thrill ride for anyone willing to buy a ticket.”

Okay, let’s see where this critic, Bently says STID stunk or he hated it or was shallow.

“Star Trek Into Darkness is the best work since Gene Roddenberry brought the franchise to life in the 1960s.

Abrams shows a deep and passionate loyalty for all the incarnations of Star Trek while bringing a fresh approach that makes the familiar seem all the more fabulous.”

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/life_and_entertainment/2013/05/15/stellar-sequel-should-thrill-fans-and-newcomers-alike.html

Oh my God. Bently thought STID was the best work since Roddenberry. .Applying Cygnus logic, Bently hated STID

Let’s look at the quote used on the STID box. Owen Gleiberman of Entertainment Weekly called STID, a “sleek, thrilling epic.” One thing about Gleiberman. He’s considered a top critic at RT. He reviews all kinds of film from blockbusters to art house fare. He’s a hell of a writer and not one that I would consider a “liberal” when it comes to movies. Anyway, he uses the evil word “thrilling.” Gleiberman writes:

“That’s the real ”darkness” the film’s title is referring to: the place where you’re no longer certain what the right thing to do is. And that’s a place of genuine excitement. Into Darkness is a sleek, thrilling epic that’s also a triumphantly witty popcorn morality play. It’s everything you could want in a Star Trek movie. A”

Applying Cygnus logic, Gleiberman thought STID was thrilling but he hated it enough so that he gave it an A. Yep according to Cygnus, Gleiberman didn’t really find any thees in the movie. It’ empty headed. Of course, that would require one not to read the stuff about “darkness” or “morality play.”
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20483133_20658669,00.html

Hey, Cygnus, maybe you should work for Putin. Using Cygnus Logic, you could convince the world that there’s no Russian troops in the Crimea.

72. Devon - March 5, 2014

#53 – It’s in good company. All very good films in my humble opinion!

73. ironhyde - March 5, 2014

Don’t care.

#3, 4, et al — I also have not and will not buy the blu-rays or shell out for extra features because of the clearly abusive marketing strategy separating simple features like commentary from the movie purchase.

#7 – both star ships in the background are representative of how this movie was just a fanboy fanfic, the universe was so busy winking at the audience that it failed to achieve any kind of internal consistency. If they really loved Star Trek, they’d start treating it more seriously instead of trying to stuff tribbles into every hole.

74. Cygnus-X1 - March 5, 2014

71. Basement Blogger – March 5, 2014

You seem a bit too upset to be reacting just to what I said. Whatever you’re on about regarding the Crimea, I can assure you that I had nothing to do with it.

And there’s no sense in calling me a liar when people can simply go to the site and read the reviews for themselves: http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_trek_into_darkness/

A substantial portion of the “FRESH” reviews on the first page are of the variety that I described above. I’ll copy/paste them here for your benefit. Again, the following are only reviews by critics who LIKED the movie:

The conceptual sci-fi of the original series is nowhere to be found, though you might enjoy watching the skinny young actors approximate their counterparts from the 60s; Chris Pine is especially good as Captain Kirk. – J. R. Jones, Chicago Reader.

In terms of sheer spectacle, there’s no denying that it delivers. For all the build-up, hype, and hope leading up to the film, it’s just a shame there isn’t a whole lot more. – Bryan Bishop, The Verge.

The effects are exhilarating, even in these jaded post-3D days, and there are enough action set-pieces, humour and character development to distract from a plot that isn’t exactly sci-fi’s final frontier. – David Edwards, Daily Mirror [UK].

It’s generally a lot of fun, but it’s exhausting, and the busyness only somewhat disguises the fact that the story doesn’t entirely make sense.
- Eric D. Snider, EricDSnider.com.

…a terminally perfunctory followup that just barely gets the job done… – David Nusair, Reel Film Reviews.

… a summer film that dimly reminds viewers of what it used to be – and could be again – while still being little more than a rollercoaster ride.
- Kevin A. Ranson, MovieCrypt.com.

Moment to moment, it’s as entertaining, rousing and visually impressive as any recent science-fiction action epic, but the script is cratered with illogical motivations and plot holes large enough to swallow Classic Trek’s Doomsday Machine. – John Beifuss, Commercial Appeal (Memphis, TN).

75. Mad Mann - March 5, 2014

So, I rewatched STID the other day. Does it bother anyone else that the medical center is referred to as the “med bay” and not the “sick bay?” I mean, it was called “sick bay” due to nautical tradition, and Star Trek continued that tradition through all the various spinoffs and movies. Why the sudden change? Do Orci & Co really believe that the ignorant masses won’t know that “sick bay” is where the doctors and nurses are? I think it’s just weird.

76. LogicalLeopard - March 5, 2014

48. Steve-o – March 4, 2014

you could say this about most scenes from any movie. My point is- moments like this develop characters. They make you care about what happens to them, and they give you time to breathe between the next fireworks show.

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That is very true, but as I understand, the film editing process can be unforgiving at times. I personally would love to go to the movies and watch 3 hour long epics, but most people dont’ fall in that category, and they have a certain length they’re shooting for. So some scenes have to be taken out, especially ones that don’t provide a key detail that the audience can’t figure out on their own. On the other hand, sometimes things are done for the asthetic appeal of the movie. You mentioned “time to breathe.” Well, it may be the director’s intention NOT to give you too much time to breathe, because he wants it to be a fast paced movie. This movie was definately fast paced, and it looks to be intentionally fast paced. Perhaps it was done to show how things can get bad in a hurry. I dunno.
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As I said my perception is that it came off as juvenile and out of place. It may have spoken volumes about Spock, but i didn’t have time to digest any of it. Poor placement maybe?

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I wouldn’t say poor placement, because part of the irony is that they’re talking about death when it suddenly becomes a real issue for them at the moment. I didn’t have time to digest it either, and I think part of that is due to the pace of the film (they were being shot at very soon afterward) and Spock’s wording, which wasn’t very simple, as I remember. But then again, he’s a Vulcan.
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I have enjoyed the new films, but this is the issue I always find myself trailing back to- I need more scenes that are dialogue driven and last more than 45seconds a clip..

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A very legitimate criticism. I have to admit that I digest more of the movie with subsequent viewings. I think the last one was faster than the first, so hopefully with the third we can get a bit more balance. But I think there’s a point behind it. It looks like JJ and Co are trying to capture that Trek spirit of impending doom followed by quick thinking or a transporter getaway. I’m not sure how to explain that well, but you know how it is when you watch Trek (especially stuff like TNG) when at the end of the show the danger is mounting, and they’re all out of options, but then someone says something about a duck, and the engineer or science officer goes, “Wait a minute….if we modify deflector array and route it through the warp coil inductors to emit a anti-tachyon pulse, we’ll be able to achieve maximum warp through the nebula by letting the radiation wash off of us like water off a ducks back!” and they’re like, “Brilliant! Make it so!” And they start rushing and fix it at the last moment? That’s what JJ wants the whole movie to feel like *LOL* That’s my guess at least.

77. Basement Blogger - March 5, 2014

@ 74

Um.. Cygnus, i was making a sarcastic joke about your logic and Putin’s rationale that there are no Russian troops in Crimea. You see you say that critics didn’t really like STID, that they thought it was a thrill ride but shallow. Therefore by your logic, you say it didn’t receive critical acclaim. And STID did receive critical acclaim. It’s just like Putin saying there are no Russian troops in Crimea when there are. Get it?

I also see that you went from implying that all the critics that liked the film but really didn’t like it to a “substantial” amount of critics. One wonders if you read all the reviews on STID ever printed. But hey, you missed the two I listed in 71, one using the term “thrill ride’ and the other calling STID thrilling. So I’m guessing you didn’t read all the reviews on STID in the world to reach your Cygnus conclusion.

But again, you are intellectually dishonest in your newest post. You take only the reviews on the FIRST PAGE and use only one or two quotes. According to RT, there are 246 reviews! And unlike you, I will concede that some critics liked the film but thought it was shallow. That still doesn’t take away from its critical acclaim. Let’s take a look at your examples

First, let me say J.R. Jones, Bryan Bishop the the Grim Reaper aka kevin Ranson’s reviews of STID go along with your premise. See, I won’t engage in your type of intellectual dishonesty. I could not access John Beifus’ review because the link is gone so I considered that undecided. You see to be fair, we should read the whole review.

1. The Mirror’s review says STID is not cutting edge sci-fi and you use this quote out of context. Here’s more from the review.

“Essentially, it’s a manhunt movie that engages without particularly surprising. Thank goodness, then, for Harrison – a well-rounded villain whose backstory is sure to delight fans of the series – and Abrams pausing over the psychologies of Kirk and Spock, both of whom suffer crises of confidence.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/star-trek-darkness-review-benedict-1877950#ixzz2v6EtTnhz
That’s not the thrill ride but shallow hatred you propose.

2. Eric Snider’s review. You totally use his quote out of context. Unlike you, he recognizes the themes in the movie. He may not like them but he sees them. See “the war on terror.” Yeah, he thinks the movie doesn’t make any sense with too much action and too much trying to please Trekkers with the thematic material but it’s a far cry from “shallow.”

http://www.ericdsnider.com/movies/star-trek-into-darkness/

3. David Nusair’s review for reelfilm.com. You and RT got this wrong. Nussair hates STID. He calls it a “depressingly inferior” sequel and them rates 2.5 stars out of four. Not a positive review. On a side note, I think RT should stop listing him. Look at his writing style. It’s all one paragraph.
http://reelfilm.com/jjabrams.htm#star2

So let’s go over the scorecard shall we? To make your point that a “substantial” amount of critics thought STID was a thrill ride but shallow , you use

A. The First Page of Rotten Tomatoes STID analysis with seven reviews when there are 246 reviews.
B. You use some of the quotes out of context because it’s clear you didn’t read the whole review.
C. Three of the seven reviews you post don’t support your premise at all.

Conclusion. that’s not a substantial amount of critics. More intellectual dishonesty. Here are the facts. One. STID received critical acclaim. Two. STID was the highest grossing Star Trek movie in the franchise. Three STID had themes. Now note I’m not asking you to like the film But we’re getting tired of your perpetual rants against all things Abrams and your pretzel like bending of the facts.

I don’t know if you have ever read film reviews or have ever written one. But it’s like this. Very few films get a review where nothing is criticized. Just because a film gets criticized a little does not mean the review is not positive and henceforth not receive critical acclaim. For example, I wrote a review of The A Team. (2010) Criticized parts of it but loved it. I would consider that to be critical acclaim.

Since Abrams Trek bothers you so much, I suggest you do the following for your mental health. Avoid Trek websites. Okay, you might not be able to do that. But if you see Abrams’ name near Star Trek, and feel your blood pressure rise, do this. Put down the computer. Go play a first person shooter video game. Blow up things. You’ll get it out of your system. It’s better than bending the facts.

78. LogicalLeopard - March 5, 2014

64. Marja – March 4, 2014

Heh. Editing like, 3 1/2 minutes out of a movie? Criminey. Proves to me that Mr Abrams was all about “120 minutes or under!”

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Well, two things. One, the movie was slightly over 120 minutes (132), and two, I don’t think that’s a JJ directive. I think that’s a standard movie directive across the board. I love long movies – it makes me feel like I got what I paid for and leaves me generally more fulfilled. But for the most part, people don’t agree with me. They want a movie to be two hours. This is probably symptomatic of network broadcasting which says an episodic comedy is 30 minutes long, a drama 1 hour, and a movie 2 hours. So directors have to cut their film down to somewhere around that number. It may even work better in Star Trek’s favor, because many people go to the movies and decide on what to see when they get there. They may have liked the trailers for Star Trek, but don’t want to sit through 2 hours and 30 minutes of it. This scene was 3 1/2 minutes, but when you take out another that’s 2 minutes, and another that’s four, and so on and so forth, you can pare it down to an acceptable level.

Plus, when I read the transcript for the scene, it’s kind of pointless. The only thing it does is confirm what we’ve already guessed – Marcus was raised in England. We know that no one knows whats in the torpedos – we had a whole scene with Scotty addressing that. We know Marcus is investigating them, she said that to Spock. It’s 3 1/2 minutes that doesn’t need to be there. Even if the movie was 1 hour and 53 minutes long, it doesn’t need to be there. It’s something that should end up on a DVD, because I think fans are more interested in why Carol has an accent, even though I admit that it probably struck non-fans as odd that Adm. Marcus’s daughter had an accent….ehh…..I revise what I said. I would have stuck it in there if the movie was shorter to appeal to non-fans. But being that the movie is already 132 minutes long, it has to end on the chopping block.

79. LogicalLeopard - March 5, 2014

You know, it strikes me that all of the people who are discussing Rotten Tomatoes and whether or not the movie was “critically acclaimed” would probably do a lot better looking into whether or not the MOVIEGOERS liked it. Because that’s really what’s important. They’re the ones that are going to make or break the success of the movie. I’m not downplaying critic’s roles in the movies, but franchises need repeat audiences.

I know on this site the majority of the people rated it as good or excellent. Does anyone have data on what the general reception was at the theatres?

80. Phil - March 5, 2014

@79. Yeah, it’s hardly scientific, but, anecdotally, from posts here, I’d suggest that 75% found it to be passable entertainment, 15% hate it, and 10% think it’s a masterpiece. Roger Ebert said, years ago, after the first few Batman movies had been made that the franchise really had not made a great one (up to that point). I suspect the same observation applies to JJ’s Trek – they have been good (to varying degrees) , but a truly great Trek movie hasn’t been made yet.

81. Dlope - March 5, 2014

I’m a long time trek fan, and was open to the new movies, and while I like the cast generally and approved of the basic approach launching into the new universe, the movies just really aren’t all that good.

That’s not to say all of old star trek was good either, but this really is nothing special for me. It at least succeeds in drawing a new audience to Trek, I just hope they start making better movies…

Now about that constitution class starship? I’d like to see more of that!

82. THX-1138 - March 5, 2014

You guys sound like a bunch of baseball statisticians:

“Well 40% of critics on RT gave it such and such rating while 81% of fans gave it a such and such rating.”

“The BO for STID was 19% better than it was for such and such.”

“JJ Abrams has an on-base percentage of .280 with RISP.”

Gah. Is this what Star Trek conversations have devolved into?

83. NX01 - March 5, 2014

This makes me very Angry! I had no Idea that I missed all of this!
I Think this site might be just as annoyed as I am by presenting what we missed.

Has any one directly as Paramount or JJ. why they decided to punish the fans?

To all of my fellow Star Trek Fans. We will eventually see everything this is 2014. Every thing is eventually seen through the internet and smart Trek fans who will post it.

84. Ahmed - March 5, 2014

@83. NX01

“Every thing is eventually seen through the internet and smart Trek fans who will post it.”

Somebody already put it up on Youtube. Martin@ #24 posted the original link & you will find all the scenes listed in my comment #38

85. Phil - March 5, 2014

@82. Technobabble 101. In an inverse of the demographic interface, filtered at the emitter of the flux capacitor at 24% of resonate power, will produce a positive outcome in 82% of the sample population. Introduce a harmonic sequence, modulated to a .025% phase variance produces a positive acceptance in XX chromosome; however, a .028% variation repels the same XX chromosome physiological response. There is no observed effect on the general demographic, though the introduction of stimuli encourages repeated exposure to the visual interface.

Perfectly clear, right? :-)

86. Buzz Cagney - March 5, 2014

So where does the Constitution class fit in this timeline?

87. Basement Blogger - March 5, 2014

@ 82

THX, look when Cygnus makes a comment that has been taken out of who knows where, I’m going to debunk it. Right now it’s his obsession to take shots at Abrams whenever he can and frankly it’s tiresome. The bigger picture is this. We as Trekkers must be intellectually honest. If we make stuff up, it reflects badly on us at Trekmovie, and Trekkers in general. I don’t ask anyone to like STID. it’s your prerogative to dislike it. And if the debate bothers you, ignore what I say to Cygnus.

Second, I’m sorry we have to use math to determine whether STID received critical acclaim. You wouldn’t want me to take a number out of the air or make something up to say STID received critical acclaim? Would you? That would be intellectually dishonest. So like Wikipedia, I use Rotten Tomatoes. Others might use Metacritic. The way we determine critical consensus is to use math. If you don’t like math, I’m truly sorry.

Third, I am a baseball fan but not one of sabermetrics which is the use of statistics to analyze a baseball player. Numbers are important. But to a thorough evaluation of a player, one must use eyes. A pitcher may have a good win -loss record but that doesn’t reflect his stuff. He could have been the beneficiary of run support. I’ve got to see his fastball and breaking pitches.

So if someone says, Star Trek 2009 has received overwhelming critical acclaim, I would say that’s correct. But I use my eyes not just numbers. Star Trek 2009 was good, fun movie. But it was more like Star Wars than Star Trek. By the way, that’s pretty much admitted in the DVD making of documentary. That’s why I’m happy that the Supreme Court wanted to go deeper for STID. And to my eyes, they did. See the various themes raised in STID.

88. Basement Blogger - March 5, 2014

Okay, back to the deleted scenes. and the scene of the model ships in the actual movie. I was not upset with the model of the Vengeance in that row of starships. I don’t thing it’s a mistake. It’s kind of a cool to hint that something dark is coming. Marcus has all these ships of exploration and the last one is a warship. We the audience, don’t know at it the time. And here’s another cool thing. Marcus is talking about war coming as the camera shows the ship in the foreground. It’s a sense of foreboding.

89. THX-1138 - March 5, 2014

Phil

The thing is, I could understand Trek’s technobabble.

BB

But can you see another side of the discussion about why the Vengeance would more than likely not be on display? It’s supposed to be TOP SECRET. So secret that Starfleet or the Federation does not know of it’s existence. You would think that having a model of it in the Admiral’s chambers would lead to some awkward questions from visitors.

90. LogicalLeopard - March 5, 2014

80. Phil – March 5, 2014

They had a poll on this site right when the movie opened up, and most people liked it as I remembered, You can’t really judge from the comments sections, because people tend to rant more than gush when given a forum.

As far as a truly great Trek movie not being made….I submit that it won’t be made. Or rather, can’t be made. Why? Because you’ll never have the whole original cast together, and many people won’t accept the new version no matter how good it is. In my opinion, ST09 and STID are truly great movies, ranking at the top of all Star Trek films. The Kirk character arc is phenomenal, yet many people completely overlook it. They want him to be more like the Kirk from TOS, even though this Kirk went through a completely different set of life circumstances. Like the Sade song, its never as good as the first time. Not enough people are able to put TOS on a shelf and accept the new product for what it is. And without people being able to do that, it won’t be widely regarded as “truly great.”

This makes me wonder whether or not JJ will be able to succeed with Star Wars. True, they got some true stinkers with Episode I-III, but is there anything they can do that will make fans accept a new cast after the passing of the torch? Does the TV legacy play into it? I dunno…

91. JRT! - March 5, 2014

Truly great Trek movie not being made?! Galaxy Quest! Greatest Trek movie EVER! LOL!!!!!

92. Basement Blogger - March 5, 2014

@ 88

THX, yes. I see your point. But sometimes artistic license takes place even within the facts of a movie. It’s like dealing with real facts In Seabisuit (2003), they scrunched the events in time to give the movie more dramatic impact. The foreboding aspect may have worked better if there was an actual close up of the Vengeance while Marcus talks about war. I don’t think we as an audience knows what the scale of the Vengeance would be at that point. It just looks like another starship. We would have never guessed that it would be that threatening unless you deduced it from the trailers. Regardless, it now works as an Easter Egg.

93. Phil - March 5, 2014

@87. The only problem with that is that Bob has pretty much fessed up that, given that Vengeance is a top secret off the books ship, it’s model should not have been on display. As Trek generally doesn’t go all abstract on it’s audience, it probably wasn’t noticed by most, and explaining it away as a prototype is also sufficient.

89. I suspect that Trek has the potential for a great movie, and JJ was a good choice to rebrand the franchise. However, he tends to like to sell nostalgia, so getting him out of the directors chair would be a must to get that great movie made. I’d also agree that JJ might have problems with Star Wars. We already know the script re-write will have more focus on Ford, Fisher, and Hamill, and I’m not sure that this is what a younger audience wants in Episode VII. I don’t think another sci-fi nostalgia movie is as bankable as Disney might think…

94. Mike C. - March 5, 2014

Putting the Vengence model in there is just plain stupid.

OR…

Vengence was the future, as intended by Marcus, and it was only a secret at the time like the Shuttle was at one time, or the Stealth bomber and fighter were.

But IMO it was stupid, and adds to our head scratching about the current Trek decision makers.

95. Phil - March 5, 2014

@93. It’s not unusual that once a secret aircrafts (or spaceship) existence becomes known, that models do pop up. A lot of the specifics on stealth fighters and bombers is still classified, yet models are everywhere. Problem is, this just begs way to many questions and just continues to highlight inconsistencies in the movie.

96. Vultan - March 5, 2014

#93

Agreed. Though for me the biggest head-scratching goof was from the 2009 movie where Pike described the Federation as a peacekeeping armada. Ha, probably should hire some Trekkie proofreaders, Mr. Abrams. Maybe the Okudas or someone from the Memory-Alpha website.

97. Phil - March 5, 2014

@95. Well, technically an armada is an armed fleet, and Starfleet vessels are armed. The current writers are guilty of playing fast and loose with the language, though – background chatter in STID implies that the Federation military is a separate function. All of Khans torpedos were in tubes on Enterprise…so apparently she has 72 torpedo tubes. Armada does imply a ‘warfighting first’ mission, as opposed to exploration.

At this point, my headscratcher is what was Carol Marcus doing on Enterprise? She was sent under an alias, that Spock quickly discovered, and her father seemed genuinely surprised she was on Enterprise while he was blowing it to bits. So, if he and Section 31 DIDN’T send her, who did?

98. Caesar - March 5, 2014

Or someone who knows what “armada” means.

99. Keachick - March 5, 2014

The model of the USS Vengeance was just that – a model. Of itself, it does not beg questions, other than who is the model maker perhaps? Who knows – Marcus could be a descendant of Henry Ford who said that the cars could get painted any colour so long as it was black – hence the big black model starship…”bigger is better and black is cool” kinda stuff…

People are seeing inconsistency where there is none.

I suspect that quite a lot of people have projected their own confused and convoluted thinking processes onto this STID storyline and are still in, for want of a better description, “brainfart” mode.

100. Cygnus-X1 - March 5, 2014

77. Basement Blogger – March 5, 2014

I simply copied/pasted the synopses on the first page. They accurately reflect what I said.

Now note I’m not asking you to like the film But we’re getting tired of your perpetual rants against all things Abrams and your pretzel like bending of the facts.

Who’s “we?”

Who exactly are you speaking on behalf of?

101. Vultan - March 5, 2014

#96

I don’t have a problem with “armada.” Just replace “Federation” with “Starfleet” and the line works. As is, it’s like describing the United Nations as a peacekeeping armada, when more accurately it’s an alliance of nations. The US Navy or Royal Navy would fit the description however.

102. Phil - March 5, 2014

@98. Rose, I sincerely hope that you are not making the case that the story flowed smoothly and brilliantly, and that the chain of events, as presented, made perfect and complete sense to anyone with a functioning brain. Because if you are making that case, you have some explaining to do….

The Vengeance model is only ‘just a model’ if we completely ignore the context it’s presented in. It would be perfectly natural for a senior admiral in Starfleet to have models in his office, just like naval officers today have models of sailing ships in theirs. I would not expect that admiral to have a model of a top secret project for a covert organization sitting on his desk, however.

I’m not going to keep beating on this, as Bob has said it was a mistake.

103. Keachick - March 5, 2014

#96 – Carol did. She wanted to find out just what was going on and no doubt had the means to forge her own documents, if indeed that was even *necessary. She was not only concerned from a professional perspective, but from a personal one. She was worried about what her father might have got himself into. It is likely that she expected to be found out for who she really was sooner or later but changing her name gave her a little time. Carol was “working” for herself, by herself.

This is not difficult. There is nothing convoluted here.

*Carol may have been able to use her mother’s name.

104. Keachick - March 5, 2014

Ever heard of hiding something in plain sight?

Bob might have agreed that it was a mistake, but that could be because of all the hoopla made about seeing the model. Obviously, showing the model was not a red herring, which it could have been in another context.

The only aspect that should have been done differently is for Admiral Marcus to actually carry out his threat to kill all of his H/Khan’s crew and not leave that to chance. Clearly Khan was not behaving, so Marcus should have done what he said he would do if Khan played up. The real question is – why didn’t he? Carol found out about the torpedoes, but nothing more – at first. Surely, it would have been easier if nobody found these 72 torpedoes ever again, given that Marcus knew who were inside them. It would have made more sense – then again, Marcus was also only human…

Also that would have made for a slightly different story… oh, the glorious wonders of hindsight!

105. Keachick - March 5, 2014

#87 Basement Blogger

Exactly! Not a mistake and not a problem – not for me.

106. Daoud, The Sinfonian - March 5, 2014

“At this point, my headscratcher is what was Carol Marcus doing on Enterprise? She was sent under an alias, that Spock quickly discovered, and her father seemed genuinely surprised she was on Enterprise while he was blowing it to bits. So, if he and Section 31 DIDN’T send her, who did?”

Ah ha!!! Now that is a bit that could be built into Star Trek 3. If Section 31 is more of a force for bad in this universe… who’s the force for good? I’d like to think Carol was guided by someone…. Future Guy from ENT?

The other loose hanging question… from 2009. What the heck was the Laurentian System all about? Is that like the rebel base near Yavin? I like to think something is afoot in this universe. (Even though sometimes I feel K/O Paper Products ranks up there with Charmin in what they have or haven’t created for a sense of a “larger” picture….)

Gary Seven? Garth? The Organians? The Squire? Where are these guys in this universe.

107. Finnigan - March 5, 2014

#32 Keep on drinking the Kool-Aid. STID was a huge disappointment and no matter how you spin it, it was sub-par in the the line of previous Trek films. Abrams and the writers botched the movie. I could care less about the release of the DVD.

108. Jonboc - March 5, 2014

#107. “#32 Keep on drinking the Kool-Aid. STID was a huge disappointment and no matter how you spin it, it was sub-par in the the line of previous Trek films. ”

…says you. World box-office says different. :)

109. c - March 5, 2014

The movie was botched, how true #107, but we got a Trek to see and I for one need more, because in many ways Enterprise got canceled because we complain a lot, JJ Abrams makes good money making decisions and we must understand that He does not know the soul of Trek fandom. In my humble opinion Paramount needs money so they must give the job to directors that understand that and worry less about true Trek then we do, again just my two cents in the matter…I enjoyed it even knowing full well that it was missing something, (YES: trekness).

Trekness is what you feel when you see the old spock…Logical to the point of hurting someone’s feeling, this new Spock is not vulcan and I miss that…but since he is also human in part then I will adjust to a comical or hateful (maybe) spock, lets wait and see…you all will love the next one or there will be hell to pay…Exploration of deep space with war with Klingons in or near Organia, thow in garth and we have a movie.

110. c - March 5, 2014

The new Spock is like the Spock from The Cage, and maybe thats the point JJ is trying to make…

These extras needed to be in the BR release, and the yell should have never been done period. BOTCHED Trek but its not the first…

111. c - March 5, 2014

Wasn’t this movie tested before an audiance, disgusted but made money, now we need another and I will not play the secret game on this site or any other…I will refuse to guess anything, I’ will just wait: what is it another 3 years…

112. Dr. Cheis - March 5, 2014

I’d be happy to know if the old-style ship was intentional, or if it was another of those things that made it into the shot but the writers didn’t intend it (like the model of the Vengeance). A detail like that suggests that Section 31 knows more about the Prime timeline and the way events were “supposed” to unfold than they’re leading on.

Consider, that some of the promotional material about John Harrison referenced his doing work for Section 31 on Praxis, and when we visit the Klingon homeworld in the movie, there is a shattered moon in the background. What if Section 31 knew that Praxis was a couple decades from being destroyed, and sent Harrison to see to it that it happened sooner?

113. Nick - March 6, 2014

c. I agree, no need for me to type anything.

108, jonboc, ‘world box office’ is not a definer of quality for some fans. E.g. Transformers series.

114. Cygnus-X1 - March 6, 2014

108. Jonboc – March 5, 2014

#107. “#32 Keep on drinking the Kool-Aid. STID was a huge disappointment and no matter how you spin it, it was sub-par in the the line of previous Trek films. ” …says you. World box-office says different. :)

In terms of lump-sum return, yes. But, with a cost of $190 million, STID had a relatively low ROI compared with other Trek movies. It was not a particularly good investment for Paramount.

115. Marja - March 6, 2014

75 Mad Mann, agreed, I don’t know why it stopped being Sickbay either. I mean, how does Medbay make any more sense, really? I guess Medical can imply repair to injuries as opposed to simply aid to the sick?

76 LogicalLeopard, I’d love to see Trek go over 2:13 to say, 2:30 … not bloody likely though thanks to the limited attention span of average moviegoers. I only wish, and I’ve said it here dozens of times, that Trek was a little less pell-mell and “action-y” and a little more thoughtful with more characterization. Orci and Kurtzman squeeze as much characterization into the script as they can, but when characters only have 90 seconds or two minutes to talk, y’know, it’s tough. It’s the movies, I know. It needs TV for longer-format character arcs and so on.

The three minutes I referred to was nearly all the scenes that got cut out. Carol’s accent took about 45 seconds! Most important to me was the alternate scene between Kirk and Pike in Pike’s office. I’m not sure that’s in the Deleted Scenes selection, but check YouTube ”STID alternate scenes” and you’ll see what I mean. It makes so much more sense than the way it ended up. Though we wouldn’t have had the funny moment when Pike cock-blocks Kirk in the bar, nor the reminisces about napkins up the nose, perhaps … I did like those.

Re: Your 90, BRAVO. I like the way you said that. I think that’s what some fans are so upset about. Some are upset that the TOS cast can’t be gathered together for a last hurrah, or for all the new movies; some are upset at there being a NuVerse at all. But how many people are there who feel so passionate about this that they’ll never watch another BR Star Trek? I suspect Paramount neither knows, nor cares. The market share is too small. [bracing self for barrage]

Re: Peacekeeping Armada – it seemed kind of like an oxymoron at first. If Pike had explained it as “Starfleet is the exploring and peace-keeping force of the Federation. It’s important” I would have bought that. With better grammar that is.

116. T'Cal - March 6, 2014

I, too, don’t like the money grabbing that was done with the BD/DVDs but I thoroughly enjoyed the movie itself. I liked the 2009 film too, but this one was tighter with far fewer plot holes, which the first one had way too many of. These two films have brought Trek back to life when it was at its lowest in decades, which is sad because I thoroughly enjoyed TNG and DS9. VOY and ENT had some very good moments but the writing for them was of a lower caliber on average.

117. Matt Wright - March 6, 2014

The 2 hours or less run time thing is ridiculous, count me as someone who would be fine with a 2.5hr run time. I mean really guys in charge? Look at how many successful genre films are over 2 hours. All three installments of The Dark Knight trilogy. All Harry Potter films, the Hunger Games movies, The Avengers, etc.

118. Drapera - March 6, 2014

The model hanging from the ceiling is just soooo sad. This should have been our ship.

119. DLope - March 6, 2014

Trek Movie should put like/ dislike buttons on the comments.

120. Buzz Cagney - March 6, 2014

STiD must have split opinion more than any other Trek movie since the last Trek movie that split opinion as much. :)

121. Red Dead Ryan - March 6, 2014

#75. Madd Man

“So, I rewatched STID the other day. Does it bother anyone else that the medical center is referred to as the “med bay” and not the “sick bay?” I mean, it was called “sick bay” due to nautical tradition, and Star Trek continued that tradition through all the various spinoffs and movies. Why the sudden change? Do Orci & Co really believe that the ignorant masses won’t know that “sick bay” is where the doctors and nurses are? I think it’s just weird.”

Does this “quibble” really matter? You’re just splitting hairs here with pointless nitpicking. Medbay = sickbay. Big deal. I mean, sick people often need medical attention, not just those with physical injuries. Most people with half a brain could figure this term out.

The only thing weird about this is how you and a few other “geniuses” here seem to be stumped over a minor name-change of a highly familiar part of the Enterprise.

SHEESH!!!

122. Marja - March 6, 2014

RDR, I think Mad Mann was just pointing out his puzzlement at the name change. I wondered about it too. I don’t think we’re nitpicking any more than I’ve seen you do at times.

BTW, the word genius, in quotes, is insulting.

123. Keachick - March 6, 2014

#115 – “I’d love to see Trek go over 2:13 to say, 2:30 … not bloody likely though thanks to the limited attention span of average moviegoers.”

This comment is not a new one, especially on this site. I agree that there is no reason why Star Trek movies could not be longer given that one or two of the deleted scenes we have been shown need not have been deleted necessarily.

However, the other aspect to the comment above is that too often it is used to refer to younger movie goers.

Probably the most successful movie series directly aimed at younger viewers, as were the books the movies were based on, was/is the Harry Potter series. The shortest running time for a Harry Potter film is 130mins – The Deathly Hallows Part II. The longest movie is Harry Potter – The Chamber of Secrets – running time 161 minutes. The other five running times are as follows –
Order of the Phoenix 138 mins; Prisoner of Askaban 142 mins; Deathly Hallows Part I 146 mins; Half-Blood Prince 153 mins; The Philosopher’s Stone 152 mins (the first HP movie) and the Goblet of Fire 157 mins.

The other successful movie series is the LOTR/Hobbit films. ALL of these films are over 2 hours long. The shortest running time belongs to the Hobbit – Desolation of Smaug 161 mins.

These films are aimed at people of any age.

The other factor to consider is that these two separate movie series are based on books, something which Star Trek, in its various iterations, does not have in common. It should have little bearing on the quality/quantity of any Star Trek film, however it should not be overlooked completely.

As we all know, (present producers/writers included), many Star Trek novels have been written which give background, expand on event or idea found in the various television/movie iterations.

This is something that Paramount and the BR team, Bob Orci et al should pay proper attention to. There needs to be a little bit of a shift in their mindsets. This shift needs to happen here on this site among many a poster as well.

124. Vultan - March 6, 2014

#120

Buzz, I think the division between fans over these movies, but more specifically JJ Abrams, can be summed up in 3 seconds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nxhR98awKlE

125. Keachick - March 6, 2014

Oops – I see that Matt Wright has also made the same comment as I have just done. I did not mean to repeat what Matt had written, but at least it does show a meeting of minds, in this respect, at least.

126. Who cares - March 6, 2014

Funny little story. Every single person who knows my brother expected him to absolutely hate STID, even I thought he would hate it. However as it turns out he quite enjoyed it, and like myself he feels that Kirk’s descision to sacrifice himself was directly influenced by his mind meld with Spock Prime in ST09 and the memories from Spock Prime that are still with him and always will be.

Speaking of Kirk’s sacrifice, I have seen a few people who continually complain that Kirk incapacitated Scotty, but going back to TWOK, Spock incapacitates McCoy while Scotty and numerous members of the engineering crew were injured and in need of medical attention, if it was a bad choice for Kirk then it was just as bad a choice for Spock, just sayin.

127. Cygnus-X1 - March 6, 2014

Another thing to consider regarding the running time is the extra cost. They don’t use film any more (sadly), so that’s not an issue. But an extra half hour of screen time involves additional production cost in terms of labor, if not additional sets as well. I don’t know who gets paid hourly and who gets a flat rate (and whose flat rate might be negotiated based on expected number of shooting days and/or running time of the movie), but I can see several possible permutations of all of these factors. If the extra running time entails more CGI, ILM might have to be paid more, and the credits of these movies show dozens of animators. And the budget for the next Trek movie, while pared down from STID’s $190, will still be pushing the limit of what Paramount is going to be willing to spend.

Paramount and BR seem to have agreed that this series of Trek movies would be action-oriented movies with all of the action, CGI and costs associated therewith. So, I don’t really see BR jumping out of that box to make something more like a Nick Meyer Trek movie that would be less reliant upon action and FX.

128. Cygnus-X1 - March 6, 2014

124. Vultan – March 6, 2014

That’s funny.

129. Red Dead Ryan - March 6, 2014

#122.

Again, I’m not sure what’s the big deal with the “medbay” quote. And yes, I do nitpick sometimes, but when I do, its over things a lot more substantial than some throwaway line.

130. Ahmed - March 6, 2014

@127. Cygnus-X1

“Paramount and BR seem to have agreed that this series of Trek movies would be action-oriented movies with all of the action, CGI and costs associated therewith. ”

Yeah. All that we can hope for the 3rd movie is to see a good action movie.

In fact, they should follow on their promises in STID & shows us, in the next movie, “an explosive action thriller” that pits the Enterprise against “a one-man weapon of mass destruction”!

A mano a mano fight inside an exploding star, that would be AMAZING

131. Phil - March 6, 2014

I’m not sure an extra twenty mintes of pew pew pew accomplishes much. Sticking in a couple more pointless action sequences reminds me of the old 3-D movies where the actors would just throw stuff at the camera for the effect.

Sorry, but Dark Knight Rises was too long – there were more then a few times I was wondering when Bane was going to shut the hell up. They could have clipped 15 minutes off of Casino Royale as well. They faded at a couple of acts in the last 20 minutes, folks got up to leave, and then had to sit back down. It just kept going and going and going…

132. Ahmed - March 6, 2014

@131. Phil

Agreed. What is the point of adding half an hour to an action movie, just to see more of the same relentless action scenes ?
Just keep it under 2 hours, it should be more than enough.

133. Marja - March 6, 2014

123 Rose, Great point about those movies. I really hope Bad Robot and O&K take it on board.

So many of our comments have concerned character development and the lack of discussion between characters and the lack of consultation/arguments between Kirk, Spock and McCoy. About fifteen minutes’ extra screen time could cut down on the “pell-mell” feeling of movie Trek, and could be instrumental in character development and interaction.

I would welcome these most heartily, because I’ve seen that O&K are very good with the character ‘notes’ in the stories. They have too little time to give them full expression.

Re your 125, Great minds think alike ;-)

126 who cares, I’m always amused by how so many people ignore the “faults” in TOS movies while finding the same sorts of faults in NuTrek.

127, Cygnus, I’ll counter your argument with this – action set-pieces cost a hella lot more than building an extra, small, shipboard-based set, say, a Briefing Room, or officer quarters. I’d be willing to bet the majority of expenditures on STiD were the Klingon scenes and the San Fran chase and fight scenes.

Longer running time may cost some small loss in revenues because they can’t schedule movie showings as often in the theatres. Just get more screens at prime times in the first week. Not sure if that would cost huge or not.

129 RDR, I didn’t make a big deal. I made a comment out of curiosity. OK by you? Sheesh.

130 Ahmed, Assuming your comment is satirical, LOL

134. Phil - March 6, 2014

@132. STID, in it’s final form was also to0 long. The Enterprise and Vengeance crashing segments were completely pointless and unnecessary, and the Spock/Khan foot chase didn’t need to occur on the flying fire trucks.

I’d of left Kirk dead as well, but then, that’s me. Trek seems to like raising people from the dead, and STID introduced immortality into Federation society. It’ll be interesting to see how THAT little detail plays itself out…

135. TELCAB - March 6, 2014

Does anyone know if there are any deleted scenes relating to some of the lines spoken by Harrison in the trailers such as “You think your world is safe? It is an illusion” and “I have returned….to have my vengeance!”? Or were those lines just recorded for the trailers/promotional materials. It’s a real shame as they would’ve been fantastic as scenes within the film.

136. Ahmed - March 6, 2014

@134. Phil

“The Enterprise and Vengeance crashing segments were completely pointless and unnecessary, and the Spock/Khan foot chase didn’t need to occur on the flying fire trucks. ”

With a budget of $190 million, they needed to show that on the screen to please the summer audience!

@133. Marja

“130 Ahmed, Assuming your comment is satirical, LOL”

Yep :)

BUT I still want to see an exploding star or a galaxy, after all it is a space action summer movie, right ;)

137. Keachick - March 6, 2014

Just because I suggest that these films could be longer does not mean they have to be. It is the big action scenes which cost the most to do and that includes ins-rance premiums in case one of the actors gets injured etc. Set pieces and dialogue do not, yet can mean a great deal more to an audience and can be highly entertaining and interesting.

The most unnecessary and longwinded part of STID was the scenes of Spock chasing Khan and the long fight on the floating garbage trucks. Borrrring

Now for something totally OT – one or two cool pictures have emerged out of Banks Peninsula, NZ, of one Chris Pine on the Z for Zachariah film set. My better half referred to them as being of my “scruff bunny” or was it “scruff honey”. I have been known to refer to CP as “honey bunny” so it fits…:)

http://www.justjared.com/photo-gallery/3061684/chris-pine-showing-off-his-gorgeous-smile-while-shirtless-really-makes-us-melt-02/fullsize/

138. Ahmed - March 6, 2014

All the deleted scenes on Youtube were removed today !

139. Jack - March 6, 2014

As many folks have mentioned, 86% Fresh on RT just means that 86% of reviews gave it a passing grade or higher.

So it doesn’t mean it scored an average of 86% out of 100. Or that 86% of critics loved it/gave it 100%/five stars/A+ etc.

It’s a solid grade — but a bunch of critics noticed flaws, but still thought it was okay.

Every time I watch this film, my feelings change. You can sense while watching it that everyone involved was giving (more numbers here) 100%. It’s not a bad movie. It’s not a bad Trek movie. It’s not a bad sequel to Trek 2009. It’s earnest as heck. There are brilliant futuristic touches. But I just couldn’t immerse myself in the story, buy that the characters would really act as they are in the script, and suspend all sorts of disbelief.

Btw, that Klingon scene sounds intriguing. I wonder whether what we ended up seeing (Kirk doesn’t jump the gun, as a result Uhura’s apparently about to get killed and Khan saves her — while Kirk just sits there) actually ended up painting Kirk in a better light.

140. Jack - March 6, 2014

PS. I don’t think the movie was too long at all. It breezed by, just like the first one. We get to see Trek once every three or four years — I’m fine with 2 hours and 15 minutes or longer. The Avengers was 2.5, Iron Man 3 was 2 hours 15 minutes. Even the D of Smaug’s 152 minutes was bearable (the first Hobbit’s repetitive 182 minutes, not so much).

141. Diskhanbobulated - March 6, 2014

Seeing that Constitution class model just pisses me off even more about what we ended up with for the Big E. On top of that, we waited 4 years for the sequel, and what an utter WASTE of time, talent, and resources that was. Just make the next film about whales and get it over with until the next reboot in 2026.

142. Buzz Cagney - March 6, 2014

#133 hasn’t the K of O and K stepped aside for the next one?
And wasn’t he the brains of the outfit? I do know he had the good sense not to engage on here so I kind of figured he was the smart one.

#124 neatly and succinctly explained!

#134 Indeed, how are they going to get out of the Khan Blood Saves All thing? I don’t think they thought that one through, did they.
When I saw Into Darkness I happened to record the audiences reaction to that little get out of jail card being played…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaNwQOT-1fc

143. boborci - March 6, 2014

129. right?

Sick Bay is a bit depressing, no? you are not sick if u r getting a physical.

reminds of the old George Calrlin routine where he finds it depressing to call the places where planes take off and land a “terminal.”

so med bay, to me, is better and more appropriate than “you-are-fucked” bay. and we bought ourselves that freedom with 09, so that gripe is beyond me.

144. Cygnus-X1 - March 6, 2014

133. Marja – March 6, 2014

127, Cygnus, I’ll counter your argument with this – action set-pieces cost a hella lot more than building an extra, small, shipboard-based set, say, a Briefing Room, or officer quarters. I’d be willing to bet the majority of expenditures on STiD were the Klingon scenes and the San Fran chase and fight scenes.

Longer running time may cost some small loss in revenues because they can’t schedule movie showings as often in the theatres. Just get more screens at prime times in the first week. Not sure if that would cost huge or not.

I agree with you on all points.

I think that the nature of the BR Trek movies—the paradigm/formula that has been agreed upon by BR and Paramount—is probably better suited, both financially and stylistically, by keeping the movies around 2 hours. As you say, adding action set pieces would be expensive, and adding more non-action scenes would slow the movie’s pacing and deviate from the agreed-upon formula. For my part, I’d find more action set pieces boring and tiresome, anyway. By the time of the action scenes at the end of STID, I was already drifting off.

145. Buzz Cagney - March 6, 2014

Is my Khan Blood Saves All gripe beyond you too, Bob? :)
And has Alex stepped aside? Can you tell us why if he has?

146. Ensign RedShirt - March 6, 2014

145 – Buzz

The news about Alex was announced a few months ago:

http://screencrush.com/star-trek-3-writers-alex-kurtzman/

147. Vultan - March 6, 2014

#145

You can’t possibly get sick if you have Khan blood.
“Khan blood! Good for what kills you… briefly.”

Not much need for a med bay either, I guess. McCoy can now put on his disco trousers and take a long vacation. Let that beard grow, Bones!

148. Harry Ballz - March 7, 2014

@143 boborci “Sick Bay is a bit depressing, no?”

Hmmmm, based on that logic, Bob, then why call it Engineering?

Nothing is being engineered, anything being used in that department has already been invented, completed and is now up and working.

To follow your train of thought, the Engineering department should be renamed the Hey It Works room.

149. Cygnus-X1 - March 7, 2014

80. Phil – March 5, 2014

@79. Yeah, it’s hardly scientific, but, anecdotally, from posts here, I’d suggest that 75% found it to be passable entertainment, 15% hate it, and 10% think it’s a masterpiece.

I’d be curious to know how many people’s opinions changed from seeing in the theater to seeing it at home. In the theater, I would have been one of your 75%—I even saw it twice, in spite of absolutely hating the WOK death scene travesty—but at home, I think it’s kinda terrible. I enjoy certain scenes and certain individual performances, but without the spectacle of 3D, bigness of the theater, and excitement of the general movie-going experience, I’m no longer sufficiently distracted from the badness of the movie’s plot and other various transgressions, and I’ve had more time to think about them and realize that they kinda pulled a fast one on me in the theater.

150. Vultan - March 7, 2014

So, Bob, what with the name change of sickbay, will you guys be changing any others? In case you get stumped, you can always consult Tom Haverford… again.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6OhJJR8nBl4

151. TELCAB - March 7, 2014

@BOBORCI Do you have a view on my comment made in 135 please?

152. rogerachong - March 7, 2014

*Nothing is being engineered, anything being used in that department has already been invented, completed and is now up and working*.

This statement is untrue as any real engineer would know. A simple process plant hires over 20 engineers of varying types just to keep it operating, maintained and optimized. Scotty by the way does an excellent job at process optimization on a daily basis as it seems. Don’t hate on Bob for that. Sickbay is so way outdated anyways and we do not use those terms anymore in medicine. It is comparable to saying you are being sent to an “Insane Asylum”. Back in the day they actually said that sort of thing but those days are thankfully over.

JJ also said before the film was released that we should blame him since Bob and the other writers gave him a brilliant script. Since Bob shows up here some “fans” are so hard on him.

By the way boborci I am looking forward to seeing the new spiderman and thoroughly enjoyed “Ender’s Game” and will be purchasing the blue ray next Monday when it is released here in the UK. Many will still hold on to disinformation even when they can visually see that Khan has different clothing when he arrives on Kronos compared to when he beams from the attacking ambulance at starfleet headquarters. No worries mate, keep your cool and get that sequel for “Catch Me If You Can” on the fire. How is Star Trek 3 coming along? 70% of the script / first draft done yet?

153. Hat Rick - March 7, 2014

Star Trek 3? What’s that? At this rate, we’ll all be old and gray before the next sequel comes out. There’s no buzz about it, no excitement. Who really seems to care about it besides an increasingly antiquate core?

Why is Paramount doing this? It’s grossly unfair to Trek.

Trek is not the Bond cinematic series, which is perennially in the news because of its subject matter (British and American espionage and world events). Trek cannot prosper if its future is left in doubt.

The lack of good publicity about the next movie is result in Trek atrophy of the worst sort. I wish someone in power would understand this.

In his prime, I think Gene Roddenberry would have had something to say about what is happening now to Star Trek under its new and increasingly invisible incarnation.

Hat Rick

154. Mad Mann - March 7, 2014

@RDR and boborci.

OK, I suppose it’s not a big deal about changing the name from sick bay to med bay. I just think the name change is weird since the Navy still uses the term “sick bay” and Roddenberry was all about keeping to naval tradition.

Oh, and BTW Orci, I did complain about it as well in 2009, but to no avail.

As Harry Ballz implied, if you complain about naval tradition of “weird” sounding terms, then why continue to use the terms bridge, bulkhead, starboard, port, etc.? They don’t make much sense either anymore. I think, using your logic, it would make more sense to call them command center, wall, right, and left instead. Oh, and do away with the boatswain whistle, that’s just as bad, right?

I’m just saying it’s illogical to change some naval terms as you see fit and not others.

Does it ruin the movie for me? No. It is a nitpick, but that’s what the Internet is for!

155. Curious Cadet - March 7, 2014

@133. Marja,
” I’m always amused by how so many people ignore the “faults” in TOS movies while finding the same sorts of faults in NuTrek.”

I’ve said this a dozen times before, I don’t think there’s a single “fault” in TOS that hasn’t been nit-picked to death by virtually every fan out there. If nothing else, the fans are well aware of TOS short comings.

If some fan is truly saying such a fault doesn’t exist in TOS, when it clearly does, then it’s fair game to question that persons motives if not sanity for saying so.

This kind of argument has always been a strawman around here from what I’ve seen — someone complains about a TOS-like fault in STID, and a similar fault from TOS is thrown back at them in defense — usually when that orignal person never implied the TOS fault was OK either.

From my observations, those who call into question the faults of STID are doing so because after 50 years of the same old poorly thought out character actions and bad science, especially in the age of the Internet, one would think the new movies would actually strive to correct and improve on these things — but they don’t. They’re making the same kinds of nonsensical decisions one could excuse of a low-budget, time compromised weekly TV series breaking new ground in the sixties, but with a luxurious 4 years to do it and all the while making claims that they didn’t want to rush the next film because they wanted it to be great.

156. LogicalLeopard - March 7, 2014

Sick bay, med bay, Officers Lounge, Ten Forward, in the big scheme of things, it doesn’t make much of a difference. I didn’t even notice that they renamed it until this very message board.

157. Mike Barnett - March 7, 2014

If STiD was an entity, it would remind you that it got high marks on Rotten Tomatoes. I personally find these new movies much more exciting than any of the prime universe Trek movies. The way I look at it, tent pole movies like Star Trek will always be action oriented. Today’s market (younger people) demand that. That market will not go to an old-style Trek movie.

I think what we all want for our desired character developments is a brand new TV series. Trek belongs at home on TV but I think it can be on both TV and theatrical features. Perhaps Paramount/CBS will green light a series after the next movie is released. Then we’ll all be one happy Trek family.

158. Mike Barnett - March 7, 2014

155. LogicalLeopard

Same here. Didn’t notice it until now. They must be analyzing each frame of the movie for things to whine about. We really need some news about the next movie so that we have something different to talk about.

159. LogicalLeopard - March 7, 2014

115. Marja – March 6, 2014

I think with the third movie there exists a greater opportunity for more slow moments and characterization. In the first two films, you had to shoehorn the background stories, the coming together, the plot, and the increased cohesion in two hours, while keeping everyone’s attention. Second movies are always about bigger and better, so they kind of went with the Hollywood formula on that one. The third movie may give them breathing room. But still, there will probably be a fair amount of action because when people go to the theater for an action movie, they want explosions. And all that’s not to say that they haven’t done a great job in showcasing characters, particularly Kirk, Spock, Uhura, and Bones. They’ve done an excellent job with Kirk’s arc, and this third movie is probably going to be his “Return of the Jedi”, if that won’t offend people. *L* Luke goes from being whiny and annoying to cool and confident. I think Kirk has had enough occur to him to humble him and form him more into the Kirk that we know, rather than Horndog Fightypants. Spock is devoloping into the “give and take” Spock who is familiar and more confortable with his human side, like the Spock of say….STVI. Bones is sliding into his confidant position with Kirk, and Uhura is the most satisfying development in the new series. She’s still sensitive and caring, but she’s also assertive and confident. She doesn’t come off as the receptionist anymore. Sulu had a bit to shine in the chair, which was a great touch for us fans who knows where he ends up, and Chekov….well….I’d like to see more in the next movie about his personality, but I like the fact that they ressurected the “whiz kid” aspect that was originally planned for Chekov, I believe, but seemed to get lost in TOS. What I wouldn’t give for a “bloody cossacks!” though *LOL* Scotty is always Scotty, and I think when you have Simon Pegg there, you can’t help but play up the comedic effect with him. But all in all, it was balanced.

As for the editing, I see what you’re talking about now. I dunno, it might have just seemed wrong with the flow of the movie for them, not so much the seconds, but the content. I’ve read the transcripts, I haven’t watched the actual scenes yet. I’d have to also see in context where the scene was dropped from. That Marcus section could have been dropped for redundancy, as I said before, or it could have been dropped because….as I remember, didn’t the Enterprise hit the pothole around then? *LOL* I call it a pothole, because when they come out of warp, it kind of looks like they hit a big subspace pothole with the sudden jarring of the ship. So maybe they wanted the interaction to be brief to cause greater shock. I dunno. I’m glad they cut and retooled some of the scenes. Like you said, the Pike bar scene is great. It was really touching, made you think about the importance of a strong father figure in Kirk’s life. Although, as soon as he said they gave the Enterprise back to him, I knew he was dead. Can’t have a movie with two captains, so he’d be dead within 20 minutes. Loved Pine’s acting at the reaction to the death as well. I’m mixed on the Uhura scene. I kind of like it better the first way. Telling the Klingons that they’re in danger is probably not a good idea. But I think they’d respect “I’m hunting down my ex-boyfriend and killing the honorless targ” better….or maybe not, it was going to go south either way.

The three minutes I referred to was nearly all the scenes that got cut out. Carol’s accent took about 45 seconds! Most important to me was the alternate scene between Kirk and Pike in Pike’s office. I’m not sure that’s in the Deleted Scenes selection, but check YouTube ”STID alternate scenes” and you’ll see what I mean. It makes so much more sense than the way it ended up. Though we wouldn’t have had the funny moment when Pike cock-blocks Kirk in the bar, nor the reminisces about napkins up the nose, perhaps … I did like those.

And as for the people’s reactions to the new series, yeah, I’ve seen some really bizzare reactions on these forums that makes me think that people just don’t like it because it’s not the old Trek. People will complain about Khan’s change of appearance and the lack of an explanation when nobody really complained about the modified Klingon look in ST:TMP, which wasn’t resolved for what, a quarter century later with ENT? They’ll complain about his British accent, but no-one cares about Picard’s London by way of France accent. They complain about a white guy being cast, when a swarthy white guy (Ricardo Montalban, born in Mexico to Spanish-European parents) played him in the first place. It’s an ALTERNATE UNIVERSE. Take it on it’s own terms. You’d think people would be satisfied with the excellent sendoff that Leonard Nimoy gave it, but nope. And as for alternate universes, this one is a lot more believable than the Evil Mirror Universe.

160. Cygnus-X1 - March 7, 2014

156. Mike Barnett – March 7, 2014

I think what we all want for our desired character developments is a brand new TV series. Trek belongs at home on TV but I think it can be on both TV and theatrical features. Perhaps Paramount/CBS will green light a series after the next movie is released. Then we’ll all be one happy Trek family.

That all depends on who’s running it.

161. Who cares - March 7, 2014

@Matt. You should probably proofread a bit better before posting stories. Carol’s last name is spelled Marcus not Markus. I know its a small detail but big details are made of small details.

162. Mad Mann - March 7, 2014

@ 158. Mike Barnett

Whine? It’s simply an observation, not a whine. I already stated that I understand it’s a minor item, a nitpick, but I was just curious if anyone else caught that. It is ironic that you are complaining about me “complaining.” Pot, meet kettle.

Yeah, there’s no news about the next film. So what? I still would like to discuss the last two, in detail, with whoever listens. I enjoy the debate, and Orci gave a nice, albeit laced with colorful metaphors, argument for the name change to “med-bay.” Then, I offered my counter-argmument above. If it stops here and now, then so be it. There are many items about these last two films I wish I could discuss more with folks, and will continue to do so.

163. Ahmed - March 7, 2014

@ 153. Hat Rick – March 7, 2014

“Star Trek 3? What’s that? At this rate, we’ll all be old and gray before the next sequel comes out. There’s no buzz about it, no excitement. Who really seems to care about it besides an increasingly antiquate core?”

What surprising me is the lack of rumors, forget about news for now, but what about rumors ? Every other week, we hear new rumors about major movies from Star Wars & X-Men to The Avengers 2 & The Matrix.

It is like Star Trek 3 is happening on another planet & no one in the media is aware of it.

@ 157. Mike Barnett – March 7, 2014

“I think what we all want for our desired character developments is a brand new TV series. Trek belongs at home on TV but I think it can be on both TV and theatrical features. Perhaps Paramount/CBS will green light a series after the next movie is released. Then we’ll all be one happy Trek family.”

Yep, I would love to see Trek back on TV. They can continue making the movies in the new timeline & set the TV series in the prime universe or even a third timeline.

164. boborci - March 7, 2014

135. Most people don’t actually like to know how the sausage is made, though they claim to.

165. Keachick - March 7, 2014

Medbay makes more sense than sickbay for the reasons that Bob Orci gave. Most crew would be using that facility for check-ups, receiving vaccinations etc. Frankly, I do not see why these nautical terms need to be used when describing parts of a futuristic starship. I do think that terminology could be kept simple and current. (Also hearing that stupid whistle always makes me cringe.)

I don’t know but were there much in the way of rumours leading up to the 50th Anniversary film et al celebrating Dr Who? People no doubt figured that the BBC must be doing something – surely, but other than that…?

166. Buzz Cagney - March 7, 2014

#146 thanks for that link, Ensign. Some interesting reading stuff on that site.
I’d still like to know why Alex stepped aside. But thats me. My nickname is Columbo because I always have another question.

167. Keachick - March 7, 2014

I have, at times, wondered (briefly) why the command area of a ship is called a bridge. Well, it seems that it literally was a physical bridge…

“Traditionally, sailing ships were commanded from the quarter deck, aft of the mainmast. With the arrival of paddle steamers, engineers required a platform from which they could inspect the paddle wheels and where the captain’s view would not be obstructed by the paddle houses. A raised walkway, literally a bridge, connecting the paddle houses was therefore provided. When the screw propeller superseded the paddle wheel, the bridge was retained.” Wikipedia

One could also ask why we call these futuristic space vehicles “ships”…

168. Keachick - March 7, 2014

I thought the idea that Alex Kurtzman was not working on the script had been refuted a little while back. K/O Paper Products is the screenwriting partnership contracted to write the present Star Trek movie series storylines.

Bob Orci?

169. Keachick - March 7, 2014

OK – Found it – IMDb Star Trek 3

“Writing Credits (in alphabetical order)
Alex Kurtzman
Patrick McKay
Roberto Orci
John D. Payne … (as J.D. Payne)
Gene Roddenberry … (characters)”

170. Phil - March 7, 2014

@165. No need for rumors, the BBC was pushing the Dr. Who anniversary for all it was worth.

171. Ahmed - March 7, 2014

@165. Keachick

“I don’t know but were there much in the way of rumours leading up to the 50th Anniversary film et al celebrating Dr Who? People no doubt figured that the BBC must be doing something – surely, but other than that…?”

Indeed, you don’t KNOW!

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‘Doctor Who’ 50th Anniversary Rumors: David Tennant to Return; Two Specials Planned

http://screenrant.com/david-tennant-doctor-who-return-50-anniversary-special/

How Many Doctors Would Come Back for Doctor Who’s 50th Anniversary?

http://www.tor.com/blogs/2012/07/how-many-doctors-would-come-back-for-doctor-whos-50th-anniversary

There Will Be No Classic Doctors Returning for Doctor Who‘s 50th Anniversary, Says Colin Baker

http://www.themarysue.com/colin-baker-50th-anniversary-doctor-who/

Doctor Who 50th Anniversary: 49 Ways The BBC Could Celebrate

http://www.sfx.co.uk/2012/11/23/doctor-who-50th-anniversary-49-ways-the-bbc-could-celebrate/

David Tennant hints at Doctor Who 50th anniversary return

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2012-08-08/david-tennant-hints-at-doctor-who-50th-anniversary-return

Which Doctor Who Companions Will Return For The 50th Anniversary?

http://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/scifi/doctor-companions-return-50th-anniversary.html

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And now for just two pages about Star Wars EP 7 rumors

Every One of This Summer’s Star Wars: Episode VII Rumors and Reports

http://www.vulture.com/2013/08/all-of-the-star-wars-episode-vii-rumors-reports.html

Star Wars EP 7 at Collider

http://collider.com/tag/star-wars

Now, go ahead & give me link to any recent Star Trek XIII rumors!

I dare you to do better :)

172. Mad Mann - March 7, 2014

165. Keachick – March 7, 2014

Well, for me it’s about Roddenberry and his wishes to keep with nautical tradition even on a futuristic vehicle in space. It worked on Star Trek, and many folks really dug how such terms and traditions were kept on a starship. Even today it does not make sense why we still call the command center the “bridge,” but we still do. Go on any ship (cruise, cargo, military) and they have a “bridge!” Most even have a “sick bay!”

Yeah, I understand Orci’s reasoning as well. But terms like bulkhead, brig, cabin, galley, deck, AND sick bay have a nice history to them that is honored to this day on most sea-faring ships. It was nice to see that the tradition would continue in the future, mostly. Overall, it’s not that big a deal, but coming from a Navy family I always enjoyed that aspect of Star Trek. Oh well. I guess I have to get over it.

173. boborci - March 7, 2014

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2014/03/06/good-question-why-are-there-so-many-mean-anonymous-comments-online/

174. Buzz Cagney - March 7, 2014

Keachick, I believe the first ship to have a bridge was HMS Warrior.
And i’ve stood on her bridge. It literally is, as you say, a ‘bridge’ that is raised and spans the width of the ship to afford a better view.

http://www.stvincent.ac.uk/heritage/warrior/upperdeck.html

She is preserved in Portsmouth, UK. And along with HMS Victory make for a great day out if you should reach these shores.

175. Ahmed - March 7, 2014

@169. Keachick

” OK – Found it – IMDb Star Trek 3

“Writing Credits (in alphabetical order)
Alex Kurtzman, Patrick McKay, Roberto Orci, John D. Payne … (as J.D. Payne) & Gene Roddenberry … (characters)”

So, they are basically adding more writers in every succeeding movie:

Star Trek 2009 – Two writers [Orci & Kurtzman]
Star Trek Into Darkness – Three writers [Orci , Kurtzman & Lindelof]
Star Trek XIII – Four writers [Orci , Kurtzman, McKay & Payne]

Guess that we will have FIVE writers for the 4th movie!!

176. Mike Barnett - March 7, 2014

172. boborci
Hey!! That’s from my local station. I was even on one of their “Good Question” segments.

I decided a while back to change to my real name instead of using fake names like “Barney Fife”.

177. LogicalLeopard - March 7, 2014

158. Mike Barnett – March 7, 2014

Yeah, then we can whine about how horrible all of the new developments sound *LOL*

178. LogicalLeopard - March 7, 2014

May I take a moment to say how wonderful this board is? Growing up, watching Star Trek only with whatever friend I could force to watch it, I never in a million years would have dreamed that one day I’d have a discuss, debate, tear down, and build up Star Trek. I also never debated how odd some of the discussions would be (The enterprise CAN”T go underwater!! It just…cant!!!!) I really never anticipated that there’d be a producer/writer on the board too, dropping by, taking shots, giving them, etc. This is fantastic!

179. Ahmed - March 7, 2014

@172. boborci

Haven’t you heard what Cohle said ? It is “Our programming”!

180. Ahmed - March 7, 2014

@178. LogicalLeopard

Well said.

181. LogicalLeopard - March 7, 2014

155. Curious Cadet – March 7, 2014

I think the difference between how people take the faults in TOS and the faults in NuTrek is that they seem to be able to separate the faults from their appreciation of the finished product, with the exception of STV, which people hate for some reason. *L* I love it, actually, one of my favorites. The brig scene is one of my fondest Trek memories. I think I saw the movie for the first time in my grandfather’s house on HBO. Actually, I disgress, but that disgression is part of what I’m talking about. People have fond memories and a host of positive feelings surrounding the TOS cast, so it’s hard to nitpick them. Plus, some of us saw them when we were younger, and when there was less information available on Trek to nitpick, and certainly few forums to do it in. I may have been in the Klingon forehead debate with you before, or someone else, talking about how no one threw a gigantic fit about the difference and lack of explanation onscreen, regardless of the reasoning for it. But then again, at that time, how many people are going to complain when they had been waiting for Trek to come back in any form for a decade or so? And other fans have ALWAYS known Klingons to have bumpy heads.

But nuTrek is new to all of us. And although you imply that time should iron out the kinks and mistakes of Trek, it doesn’t and won’t. I’m rewatching the first season of Voyager, which is much better than I remembered it from high school. But there’s one problem that is just buuuuuuuuuuuggging me – I’ve only got four episodes left to watch, and Lt. Tuvok has been wearing three pips (one dark) since the first episode. Even though they call him Lt Tuvok. Are you kidding me? TNG AND DS9, and the wardrobe guys on Voyager, the directors, NOBODY caught it this far in? Experience doesn’t always stop the annoying mistakes. But that doesn’t mean that little mistakes have to distract us from the finished product.

Side note: I doubt I’ll ever be able to watch Voyager without looking at Tuvok’s neck whenever he first appears on screen..

182. Marja - March 7, 2014

172 Mad Mann, As a daughter of a sailor, and as a Coast Guard myself, I, too, have always enjoyed the nautical naming traditions on Trek.

BobOrci, yeah, I was nitpicking. I’ve never done that before!

@ Logical Leopard “Subspace pothole,” LOL! I wonder how many here read that as “plothole”

183. Keachick - March 7, 2014

#172 – Wow, Bob Orci – interesting link.

I have to wonder about comments made by a person who is anything but anonymous and who also knows full well that his comments will find their way to the internet and be read -

I refer to Chris Pine’s recent comment (Hollywood Reporter – 9 January 2014) – ‘Asked if he would consider joining Twitter, Chris said: “F**k no! What am I going to tweet about? My sneakers? Or, ‘I have 140,000 friends on Facebook.’ What does that even mean? I find it to be a waste of time. The internet is so caustic; just a place where people get to spew nonsense and b******t.”‘ The article reported that using social media to interact with fans was a waste of time.

“internet…so caustic; *JUST a place…”

Perhaps this comment hurt/offended me more than it should have, to the point of tears. Beginning with what has become all so inevitable and predictable, the F-bomb, and ending with “spew nonsense and b******t”, it was a statement that was unkind, not totally truthful and dismissive.

There are many internet users, as well as those who use social media like Facebook, who do not behave badly, who do try to be kind in their interactions with fellow users and post considered comments. They can be found on this site even.

How can Chris Pine make such mean generalizations and apparently flip off anyone/everyone that way? I do not think that Chris was thinking or even gave any consideration to what he was saying and just how offensive he could be, but he was!
(*Funny* – my own ‘half flipped me off by agreeing with Chris Pine… The rare times that my own *Chris posts a comment to a forum, it can be the most vitriolic of anything written. I live with something of a paradox and it is difficult…)

Yes, I can talk nonsense and bs and have done so at times – just my wacky sense of humour, you could say… and, as Marja has gently/kindly pointed out to me, at times I can be sharp and abrupt in how I comment. (I have re-read previous posts going back a few days/weeks and realize that she has been right. I think, as I read some – gosh, that’s a bit ick/nasty/sharp…)

As for anonymity when posting on the internet, people have been encouraged to do that, for security reasons. I have probably been the least anonymous of any internet user contributing to this discussion forum and on others. Some posters in the past have used information I have revealed about myself against me – *nice* going, folks. I guess this is one reason for people retaining anonymity.

*My husband’s name is Chris.

184. Curious Cadet - March 7, 2014

@164. boborci,
“Most people don’t actually like to know how the sausage is made, though they claim to.”

I suppose that all depends on how much tripe they throw into the grinder.

185. Cygnus-X1 - March 7, 2014

183. Keachick – March 7, 2014

You seem like a nice, sensitive person, and I can appreciate that, but I think that you should step back and see that Chris Pine absolutely did not have you in mind AT ALL when he made that comment. He’s someone who’s famous and therefore has a very different relationship with the internet than you or I do. Millions of people know him on only the most superficial level and only by his work, which, by its nature, does not necessarily represent nor reflect his real personality, for better and for worse. It makes sense that, for someone like Chris Pine, the internet would carry with it a certain, burdensome cost that he would find neither healthy nor productive and would rather avoid.

#172 – Wow, Bob Orci – interesting link.
I have to wonder about comments made by a person who is anything but anonymous and who also knows full well that his comments will find their way to the internet and be read -

I saw some political documentary regarding the conservative movement in the US, and it showed Tea Party meetings where the speakers would advise their flocks to go onto Amazon and give any books by (what they regard as) liberal authors bad reviews as a matter of course—as many bad reviews as they could churn out at each sitting. I can see an argument to be made for disallowing anonymous book/product reviews on Amazon/Yelp, etc…, though I’m not sure that it would be practicable or even in the greater good to do so.

As for posting anonymously online in general, what benefit is there NOT to? I’m sure we’ve all had experiences with our friends and relatives where we get into fights or awkward moments due to differing opinions. People adapt to his fact of life by becoming increasingly reserved and repressing their opinions as they get older and more experienced. The anonymity of the internet, simply put, liberates us from that sort of repression, allowing people to unburden themselves and speak their minds anonymously without what we might consider unfair costs to doing so in person.

Of course, people will take advantage of message boards and social media and impose themselves upon unsuspecting others. There isn’t a human invention which people have not taken inappropriate advantage of at some point. But, with the internet, it’s all entirely voluntary. Chris Pine chooses not to get involved online because he feels it’s not in his interests to do so. Bob Orci, on the other hand, chooses to get involved, and in addition to being a Trekkie, he’s also here promoting his work. The point being, there are benefits and costs associated with social media, and it’s up to each of us to decide whether the benefits outweigh the costs with regard to our participation.

At any rate, don’t take what Chris Pine said personally. Imagine you’re back in high school and have to deal with new rumors and criticisms about you each week, only it’s not a few hundred people propagating the rumors and criticisms, but a few million. You’d get put off it, too.

186. Buzz Cagney - March 7, 2014

I have great respect for Pine for dismissing social media sites. Good man!

187. Captain Slow - March 7, 2014

Boborci, I know you probably can’t tell us how far along you are with writing, but can you tell us if the story is really good or just okay? Also, how are you new writers working out?

188. Captain Slow - March 7, 2014

I hadn’t seen Chris Pine’s comment. I agree with him completely. I have yet to see a point to social media, especially Twitter. I can’t wait for the craze to die.

189. boborci - March 8, 2014

187. I’ve only talked to the new writers on the phone and the story we came up with is kinda shitty. Hope to start writing in a few years.

190. Marja - March 8, 2014

188 boborci, LOL.

Some of us can hardly wait for the new movie (so we can nitpick it to death, I keed, I keed!) and whinge accordingly …
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183 Rose, Re: Chris Pine’s opinion, I’m with Cygnus – there is so much outright wank, rudeness, fantasization about the actors — stuff you wouldn’t believe, if you knew about it — on the internet, that I find it no wonder at all that he’s fed up to the teeth with social media. Don’t take it personally that he said what he did. (And try not to think badly of him for the F bomb, I think people of a certain age group nowadays use F*** the way people used to use “Heck,” as in “Heck, no!”)

Actors publicize their work and, in interviews, are encouraged to share parts of their lives they’re comfortable talking about (e.g., Quinto is an advocate for gay rights and supports pet rescue / adoption efforts). But these are things actors are okay telling the public.

In Los Angeles and New York there are creeps who stalk actors and creeps who do the paparazzi thing. (You’ve just flown on a plane for 12 hours! Prepare to meet the photographers at the passenger exits at LAX!) There are people who think it’s okay to approach an actor when s/he’s busy with friends, out to dinner, or on the phone, or obviously wants privacy. Things like that. It gets to people. It’s good that the Trek actors aren’t brand new to the business and have some grounding, because if they didn’t they’d go bats**t crazy.

191. boy - March 8, 2014

@117. Matt Wright – March 6, 2014
The 2 hours or less run time thing is ridiculous, count me as someone who would be fine with a 2.5hr run time. I mean really guys in charge? Look at how many successful genre films are over 2 hours. All three installments of The Dark Knight trilogy. All Harry Potter films, the Hunger Games movies, The Avengers, etc.
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JACPOT.

I have been saying the same thing as well. STID was too fast paced and short. I think JJ did this on purpose because he wanted people to forget they are watching a star trek film.

STID had like 10 plus characters., a 2.30- 3 hour film would have been better because it will give the characters more interaction. You also forgot to mention LOTR. A film series which has as much characters , yet the film is expanded enough to give all characters the limelight.

People complain about the shuttle scene between spock and uhura been juvenile. that scene had so much potential but it should have been done in private and more quietly but noooooooooo the writers forced the scene on the way to a battlefield because they want to cut the time. it was just bad directing from JJ’s part and JJ is a good director.

However I do not blame him, he is scared that a star trek film that is more than 90 minutes might bore people because of people’s perception of what star trek is. there are many film goers that falsely believe that star trek is the boring version of star wars.

Ironic isn’t? because every star wars film is a 2 hour plus and Lucas does give every storyline a private moment to breathe in the star wars films.

192. Ahmed - March 8, 2014

@ 188. boborci – March 8, 2014

“187. I’ve only talked to the new writers on the phone and the story we came up with is kinda shitty. Hope to start writing in a few years.”

Good to hear that, we love $hitty movies!

Keep up the good work :)

193. Mike Barnett - March 8, 2014

188. boborci
The story must have been the Alt. Universe version of ‘Spock’s Brain’. I’d table the project too if I were you. ;)

194. dmduncan - March 8, 2014

18. Vultan – March 3, 2014

You took the words right out of my fingertips!

195. dmduncan - March 8, 2014

117. Matt Wright – March 6, 2014

Yes. Even though I’m not the fan of STiD that I am of ST.09, the movie is easy enough to watch and moves fast enough that it doesn’t feel like 2 hours. However, always trying to make 2 hours feel like 30 minutes seems to neurotically underestimate the audience and possibly your own job security. If you think the experience of your movie should feel like a drug high, you are not using movies in a good way.

196. Harry Ballz - March 8, 2014

@189 boborci “I’ve only talked to the new writers on the phone and the story we came up with is kinda shitty”

Ah, so, you’re employing the same approach as when you wrote STID.

Well, I guess that’s understandable. Old habits die hard…..

197. Keachick - March 8, 2014

Cygnus, Marja et al – Thank you for your acknowledgment and comment re Chris Pine’s statement.

Believe me, I DO understand where Chris can be coming from. I have been the one to bring people’s attention here to some of the most vitriolic and stupid of comments made about him by people hiding behind internet anonymity on other sites like JustJared. It is still going on. I used to read every comment, which is what I still do here when I have time, but not there, because much of what I read really hurts and insults my intelligence.

I do recall a comment made to me by Anthony Pascale a couple of years’ back. He told me not to keep trying to defend Chris Pine against those who would insult and generally saying very unkind and stupid things about him. This was after he had been at a cocktail party organized by JJ Abrams where all the STID Trek actors were invited among others. This, of course, included Chris Pine, whom AP met. Since then, I have been less defensive and attempt to ignore much (if not, all) of the nasty bs that goes around the internet. Since I am not on Facebook or Twitter, I cannot say what happens there.

This does confirm (from my personal point of view) what Bob Orci’s link mentioned about the negative impact reading these blogs, reviews etc can have on a person’s psyche.

However, with Chris Pine’s blanket statement made about the internet as JUST being a place for people “to spew nonsense and b******t”, he has now become a part of the problem, rather than a possible solution. He has got pulled into where a great many people already are and paradoxically managed to antagonize and hurt someone (me) through use of the same social media (internet) he criticizes. Facebook is only one aspect of what the internet provides in terms of being a place where people can share information, thoughts, opinions…

It is likely that Chris Pine did not necessarily mean me but I don’t know that and that is what bites. Perhaps I might irritate him. The thing is – I haven’t just revealed one or two interests, even fantasies and other silliness, I have also discussed the characters he plays – like this alt timeline James T Kirk and that has as much (if not, more) to do with scripting and directing than it does with how Chris has played this character. That goes for Jack Ryan and others, like Brian in Carriers, on this and other sites. I always try to be positive, honest and constructive.

Finally, @ Chris Pine – if you read this – You are out of line. Not everybody using the various internet media are like some of those who post on JustJared and other sites. Some people try to be considered in how they comment. You may not agree with some of the opinions expressed and that includes mine. However, I and many others have no interest or stomach to simply “spew nonsense and b******t” using this medium or any social media provided by the internet.

An apology would be nice.

(PS – I am looking forward to seeing Z for Zachariah. I also do hope that you have enjoyed your stay in NZ, my country and one that became home to many of my pioneering ancestors)

198. c - March 8, 2014

Can’t belive this person is Boborci, no writer would say he is going to start writing in a few years.

And as far as shitty stories are concern, that happens because true Trek fan’s ideas are not taken seriously buy Paramount or CBS, if they would they would have plenty of TV movies or series to write. TV because it is true that cinema writing involves making lots more money, thus you need stupid stories that have lots of explosions, only a team of 4 Trek fans plus one movie fan non trekkie can come up with a true masterpiece for the big screen…and the four must overrule the one.

199. Phil - March 8, 2014

@187. Go back and look through the comments about the progress on STID. Almost done can mean anything from ‘I’ve ordered more paper for my printer’ to ‘shooting starts tomorrow’.

Also, STID, was/is a masterpiece. Remember melting eyeballs? Why it wasn’t nominated for an Oscar is anyone’s guess.

200. Keachick - March 8, 2014

Harry Ballz – Bob Orci is just pre-empting the inevitable response to Star Trek 3 that will no doubt come from people like your good self…:)

#197 – Bob is quipping – I think…hmmm…:)

201. Phil - March 8, 2014

Shit. The final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Shittyprise. Her five year mission, to explore shitty new worlds, to seek out new shit and shit-vliations, to boldly go where no toilet paper has gone before….

On this weeks episode of Dirty Jobs, Federation sewage works….the skunky pumpers of the galaxy….

202. Ahmed - March 8, 2014

@200. Phil

lol, man you are full of $hit ;)

@199. Keachick

“#197 – Bob is quipping – I think…hmmm…:)”

Guys, Bob was just kidding, I think!

203. dmduncan - March 8, 2014

Bob was joking. I think.

I’d rather know why Bob made a movie with such a positive portrayal of Illuminatism, i.e., Now You See Me.

204. Phil - March 8, 2014

@201. Hey, loose bowels are inspiring. Captain Scat and the Proctologist Patrol, protecting Uranus from invading Kling-Ons….

205. Phil - March 8, 2014

@197. Actually, considering all the Spiderman movies in his future, I can believe it’ll take a couple of years to get to ST13…

206. boborci - March 8, 2014

dmduncan

I have turned to the dark side of the force.

Oops! wrong website.

207. Ahmed - March 8, 2014

@Bob,

Any news regarding “The Mummy” & “Van Helsing” ?

208. Marja - March 8, 2014

204 boborci, You’re on TrekMovie my good man, there are Darker Forces at work here than anywhere!

BWAHahahaha

oh wait I think I meant dork forces

209. Boborci - March 8, 2014

205

Yeah. The Mummy is a series of three movies starring Brendon Frazier based on a universal classic of the same name.

Van Helsing is character in Stoker’s famous novel called Dracula.

210. Stephan - March 8, 2014

@boborci:

I recently saw Enders Game. What a great and intelligent movie! I was really thrilled with that ending. I wasn’t expecting that still such good scifi movies get made.

What did you think of “Gravity” and its success at the Oscars? Do you think it will influence the next trek movie some aspects?

Stephan

211. Stephan - March 8, 2014

PS: Into Darkness was great as well in 2013. But besides trek I wasn’t expecting other good scifi movies. ;-)

212. Harry Ballz - March 8, 2014

@200 Phil “Shit. The final frontier…to explore shitty new worlds”

If they’re seeking out shit, they only need to go to Uranus.

Hey, somebody was bound to say it! :>)

213. dmduncan - March 8, 2014

204. boborci – March 8, 2014

“Your thoughts betray you,” Bob. “I feel the good in you…the conflict…”

214. Ahmed - March 8, 2014

@207. Boborci

Why the capital B ?

“Van Helsing is character in Stoker’s famous novel called Dracula.”

WRONG! “Van Helsing” is a character played by Hugh Jackman. Also, EVERYBODY know that Darcula was in fact a series of movies starring Christopher Lee, not some novel or something like it!

FYI, IMDB is your friend for all things related to movies :)

215. Captain Slow - March 8, 2014

@ 189 boborci

Ha! Is this all part of your plan to lower expectations enough so that we’ll be blown away by anything?

216. Marja - March 8, 2014

Bob is diabolically clever.

217. Hugh Hoyland - March 8, 2014

And still no director for Star Trek 3??? This is the last time I offer my services!
Paramount, I’m highly qualified to direct a blockbuster film. I have more (back yard camcorder) experience than most directors today. And I know what a Trek movie should look like on film.
Give me a call if you want a great sequel.
Just give me a little time to read the instruction manual for a RED DRAGON.

218. Harry Ballz - March 8, 2014

@213

The phrase “diabolically clever” being attributed to “the same person who wrote STID”….well, the two statements seem to be diametrically opposed to one another.

Don’t get me wrong………..LOVED ST 2009…………HATED STID.

219. Phil - March 8, 2014

@213. What a coincidence – I’m having a drink while typing, too.

220. Captain Slow - March 9, 2014

@ 214 Hugh Hoyland

No way! I took a directing course so it’s mine! :)

221. Hugh Hoyland - March 9, 2014

217 Captain Slow

Well you may be one up on me there. But I did once read a article Stanley Kubrik talked about directing, thats got to count as something. lol :]

222. Curious Cadet - March 9, 2014

@218 Hugh Hoyland,

Well I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night …

223. Harry Ballz - March 9, 2014

I directed traffic once. Does that count?

224. Ahmed - March 9, 2014

I was an extra in a movie & watched first hand how they make a movie, that should count as well, right ? ;)

225. Keachick - March 9, 2014

So I see that a post of mine has been deleted…

Message to Chris Pine -
I believe you may need some homeopathic Ignatia or similar remedy in order to help afford yourself some better emotional and mental balance. It would mean that you have to stop drinking coffee (for a time). (Un)fortunately, in order for such remedies to be effective, it does not require that a person give up smoking or alcohol consumption.

It seems that I am not the only one pissed off with you. For someone who says “Fuck no!” to internet social media and publicly dismisses anyone/everyone who writes on the internet in its various forms, you are more than happy to have girlfriends who constantly use such media to share information and/or rumour about you, herself etc.

Chris Pine – you are playing the ass card and a mean one at that. The fact that you appear to know so much about what goes on in Facebook/Twitter means that you peep into other people’s accounts. You made a comment on people’s no sense of the need for privacy because they *post pictures of their weddings or their babies* on Facebook, that somehow this was sort of a bad thing. Well, Chris, it is really none of your business, especially if you do not have such accounts. Hell, the only way I found out that people can use Facebook in that way is because I read your comment! (It is hard to know whether to laugh or cry, given its context)

Yes, Chris, you can do what you like with your life. That is not the issue here and you know it! It is your hypocrisy and the fact that you seem happy to dump on others for doing the very thing you are doing. Curiously, the only real spewing of nonsense and b******t of late has come from your good self.

There is a saying “What goes around, comes around”. It seems that you are also aware of the concept/reality of Karma. You can laugh comments like mine off, whilst you drink, smoke and swear. All I do say is – think on it, sleep on it, pray on it. Believe me, I am being anything but facetious when I write this. It is also best not to take folks like me and others for granted. We never agreed to be insulted either by you or anybody else.

Finally, Chris, is it such a sin to care? An apology/explanation would be nice.
(I can be contacted using the PRIVATE IMDb messaging system under the name Keachick – no imposters)

* Births (and sharing with others the growth/development of the newly born), deaths and marriages have, for the most part, always been matters of public engagement. In the past, an entire community/village would be interested and/or involved in facilitating the birth of a new family member; funerals were very public and so were weddings. People still use the Public Notices of local and national newspapers to inform about a birth, a death, an engagement or wedding, giving as little or as much information as they feel appropriate. The only difference is the greater variety of mediums that people can choose to use now.

Birth, death and *marriage* (whatever form it may take) are significant rites of passage within the human experience and have generally always been celebrated/mourned within a variable public arena.

(Matt Wright – There appears to be nowhere else, that is not trolled etc, that I can also express my thoughts on this matter. However, Chris Pine, being the actor/celebrity that he has become, can have his thoughts and opinions aired in public and passed around the internet, even if they are quite odious. What about an ordinary joanne-blog like me? If you, or Bob Orci, are able to pass on my comments to Chris Pine’s email address or other, please do so. Thanking you…)

226. Phil - March 9, 2014

I’ve built sets. How hard can it be to build a starship?

227. Ahmed - March 9, 2014

Here is a serious question, why not bring George and Gracie back in the next movie ? Just update the story it to fit 21st century audience & add a homage to the punk scene!

No need to waste time trying to come up with an “original” story, it is just a summer movie for for God’s sake!

228. Matt Wright - March 9, 2014

@ Keachick – See #197, is that not your post?

229. Curious Cadet - March 9, 2014

@226 Ahmed,

George and Gracie would be an excellent addition. Orci could just open up another wormhole in 1985 and have them swim into it, splitting off the universe again just like when Nero arrived. The Enterprise could go underwater to explore the “lightning storm in the Pacific” and discover them. Spock could learn to talk to them and it turns out they were genetically engineered by Khan. Later they break Khan and his 72 supermen out of cryo sleep … It’s got everything!

By the way, have you noticed a certain faction of regulars have all coincidentally stopped posting together for over a week now? No wonder there seem to be some productive discussions for a change. Interesting.

230. Ahmed - March 9, 2014

@225. Keachick

If I may, I think that you are taking it way too personally . Pine is not the only actor who doesn’t engage with fans online. Frankly, I think he is a smart one by ignoring social media altogether.

231. Ahmed - March 9, 2014

@229. Curious Cadet

Bob, there you have it, a great outline by CC for the next movie :)

‘By the way, have you noticed a certain faction of regulars have all coincidentally stopped posting together for over a week now? No wonder there seem to be some productive discussions for a change. Interesting.”

LOL, indeed.

232. Keachick - March 9, 2014

@ Matt Wright – I honestly did not see my post #197 when I came to this site earlier. Now I do. The site can be just so weird at times. Anyway, my apologies to you.

I hope that you or Bob Orci will be able to action my request in relation to one or both of my posts.

I am very fond of Chris Pine. It is very likely a misquote or misunderstanding. Just like to know though, from the person himself.

Relating to the link that Bob Orci posted to this site at #173 (which people here seem to be ignoring…)

Recently, a NZ born actress/model/celebrity, Charlotte Dawson, committed suicide in Australia. She was well known in Australasia. I liked her. Leading up to her suicide, for some reason, she became the target of unrelenting and the cruelest of what could only be described as internet bullying, with a few people using all media – Facebook, Twitter, various sites etc. She tried to ignore it and still function effectively at her profession. An investigation into her death did cite these relentless, harsh criticisms as being a definite factor leading her to commit suicide. The investigation also revealed that she did suffer from depression, much of it easily controlled/lifted by counselling and/or medication, however the internet bullying exacerbated everything to the point where she could not bear living any longer…

I have quoted this true story here before, but it does bear repeating -

An Englishman living in Tibet in the early 20th century quoted an old saying to a Tibetan lama – “Sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me” to which the lama replied, “True. Sticks and stones will break my bones, but names will tear the heart out”. Perhaps there is some truth in what the lama said after all.

I am anything but perfect. I know I can be abrupt and sharp. My husband described my post #197 here as a “bit ropable”. I am not sure he was being very fair…oh well…

Ahmed – I think you have missed the point. Maybe Chris may acknowledge my actual comments made here and respond with explanation in public and/or in private. He has the *capacity to do either, if he *chooses. However, he did say to a reporter and knew that what he said would be quoted and end up on the internet to be read by anyone/everyone. If I do not get a private response, then OK. However, he is able to contact anyone in the media industry and be interviewed, discussing the issues raised, and have them made public, in the same way that the original interview occurred and then posted.

*One aspect here is – Chris Pine, as an individual, has more choice and opportunity than I do as another individual. For obvious and valid reasons, I have no access to his personal email etc address(es), however he does have access to me, Keachick, through the IMDb private messaging system. The IMDb Administration gives actors like Chris Pine easier access to various areas of the site than it does to ordinary people like myself. This is not a level playing field here. He has more choice, opportunity, power…

233. Ahmed - March 9, 2014

PSA –

Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey – Episode 1: “Standing Up In The Milky Way”

Tonight at 9pm ET

USA: Fox, National Geographic Channel, FX, FXX, FXM, Fox Sports 1, Fox Sports 2, Nat Geo Wild, Nat Geo Mundo and Fox Life

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234. Red Dead Ryan - March 9, 2014

I’m still here, guys! :-)

Anyway, I do agree the discussions on this thread have been very interesting and productive.

Please continue! :-)

235. Platitude - March 9, 2014

@ boborci

You guys made two awesome movies. Why spend the time arguing with people who’s opinions you will not be able to change? Please use your time to make another great movie instead :) Thanks. Sincerely, the majority of movie-goers.

236. Vultan - March 9, 2014

#232

I’m watching Cosmos right now. Great show! Some spectacular special effects (for a science show). Hope it does well. Would be great if it influences other shows to be produced… maybe another Trek series… eh…?

237. Keachick - March 9, 2014

Except that Chris Pine does not ignore social media and comments on accounts he claims he does not have and never will. I am not saying that Chris should engage with Facebook, Twitter etc. There is no rule that says that he, as an actor/celebrity, must engage online with anyone. In fact, it is his right to choose not to. That is the part of the interview that has not caused me offense. I thought I had been clear about it.

Re-read his comment: ‘Asked if he would consider joining Twitter, Chris said: “F**k no! What am I going to tweet about? My sneakers? Or, ‘I have 140,000 friends on Facebook.’ What does that even mean? I find it to be a waste of time. The internet is so caustic; just a place where people get to spew nonsense and b******t.”‘

“…where people…” What people? Which people? You? Me? Who then? How does he define nonsense and bullshit? Many posters here have chided me for my “ramblings” – perhaps this post might be considered nonsense and bs by some, but hopefully not all. The final sentence was a flippant, thoughtless and careless statement – Pine bombing with a caustic bullet or two of his own.

I do agree, though, with Chris about the “friends” bit on Facebook comment. The term “friend” is often used way too casually and the truth is that most people tend or do not trust others at all, hence the use/need for anonymity and pseudonyms. The term “friend” with all that it stood for, has been debased.

I can appreciate Chris Pine’s difficulties and pressures when it comes to dealing with media, (some) fans, work and other of which I have no knowledge. I just want to know that he understands me and those like me (as “people”)…

My better half actually said to me, “Can’t you forgive him (CP)? He is not a saint. He’s just another person (or words to that effect)”
Yes, I guess, but Chris Pine’s acknowledgement, explanation, apology (public or otherwise) would help that (inevitable, in all likelihood) process along, which can only be good for both of us.

238. Ahmed - March 9, 2014

@ 234. Red Dead Ryan

“I’m still here, guys! :-) ”

Welcome back, dude :)

239. Ahmed - March 9, 2014

@236. Vultan

Agreed. I loved the original with Carl Sagan but it was so outdated, I’m really glad that they brought Cosmos back.

240. Curious Cadet - March 9, 2014

@231. Ahmed,
“LOL, indeed.”

It must be Spring Break.

241. Phil - March 9, 2014

@230. From what I’ve read about Pine lately, I can understand his aversion to social media – and for a lot of celebrities its not much more then a exercise in narcissism. Good for him for defining his boundaries.

242. Ensign RedShirt - March 9, 2014

240 – Curious Cadet

It’s amazing how much nicer it is, isn’t it?

243. Red Dead Ryan - March 9, 2014

I watched “Cosmos” earlier myself. It was pretty interesting. Though with Brannon Braga involved as director/executive producer, I wouldn’t count on a long run. :-)

Also, Keachick, can you please stop going on about Chris Pine and Facebook/Twitter? It’s a bit obsessive.

244. Curious Cadet - March 9, 2014

@239. Ahmed,
“I’m really glad that they brought Cosmos back.”

I’ve been watching Nova for years. I suppose Cosmos is a little more focused. But I suppose it will play like science fiction in those states where they teach creationism in the schools.

Can’t say I care for the cheap Saturday morning cartoon animation however.

I knew Seth MacFarlane was involved. I didn’t know Branon Braga was, however.

245. Buzz Cagney - March 10, 2014

#243 Keachick, obsessed with Chris Pine? Never! lol

246. Buzz Cagney - March 10, 2014

#235 thats funny because the majority of people that I know who have seen Darkness pretty much just thought it was ok and nothing more. Strong in parts and but ultimately just, well, meh.

247. Cygnus-X1 - March 10, 2014

237. Keachick – March 9, 2014

Chris Pine doesn’t know who you are and wasn’t directing any of his comments about social media at you nor implying anything about you by them. He has the right to use social media as much or as little as he wants and for whatever reasons he finds appropriate. If he feels like reading social media but not writing back, he’s perfectly right to do so.

248. drumvan - March 10, 2014

@143 boborci

so med bay, to me, is better and more appropriate than “you-are-fucked” bay.
_________________________________________________

omg, i haven’t laughed that hard in weeks. lol.
big props for returning to this site. always nice to see.

249. TELCAB - March 10, 2014

164 @boborci – I’ve no idea what your answer to my question (135) means – could you clarify please? Thanks

250. Who cares - March 10, 2014

Lol @ Keachick, as if Chris Pine even has the faintest of ideas who you are or owes you any kind of acknowledgement or appology, roflmao. I congratulate Pine for his aversion to Facebook/Twitter and I wish more people had the same good sense.

251. Ahmed - March 10, 2014

Check this interesting infographie from The New Yorker

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A galaxy of franchises

Hollywood is enamored with the franchise. A profitable one can sustain sequels across multiple decades that are worth billions of dollars in ticket sales alone. But, as the box-office ups and downs of the “Star Trek” films have shown, the formula is far from a guarantee. We’ve charted a part of the expanding galaxy of movie series, ranking them by franchise gross, per-movie gross, and franchise profitability.

All box-office numbers are worldwide and adjusted for inflation.
Profitability is franchise gross as a per cent of budget.

http://www.newyorker.com/sandbox/business/hollywood-franchises.html
=====================================

When you sort it by franchise profitability, Star Trek is second to last!!

252. Mike Barnett - March 10, 2014

250. Ahmed

So true, but it would be more interesting to see how much the last two movies either increased or decreased the profitability standings. I know if you look at total gross for the franchise, the last two movies are about $900 million out of the total – $2.6 billion.

253. Ahmed - March 10, 2014

@251. Mike Barnett

Check this article:

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What Is The Most Profitable Trek Movie Of All Time?

Last year’s “Star Trek: Into Darkness” actually had one of the smallest profit margins both in North American and domestically. It earned $228.8 million in North America, but the film cost $190 million to make, leaving a profit margin of just 20 percent. That’s slightly worse than the 21 percent profit margin of 1998′s “Star Trek: Insurrection,” and better only than “Star Trek: Nemesis” in 2002, which actually finished 28 percent in the red.

http://1701news.com/node/527/what-most-profitable-trek-movie-all-time.html

254. Mike Barnett - March 10, 2014

252. Ahmed

It’s still an incomplete comparison because these numbers don’t include after-box office revenue. Broadcast TV, Premium TV, Cable TV (ie FX, SyFy), VHS, Betamax, Laserdisc, DVD, Blu Ray, Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, iTunes……etc. We’re missing a LOT of data here.

It would be cool if you had a link to that data! Make it so!

255. Ensign RedShirt - March 10, 2014

252 – Ahmed

Fun article, but besides not including after-market numbers(like Mike Barnett mentions above), it also doesn’t factor in marketing budgets. Paramount spent over $100 million on marketing for STID. ’09 and TMP both had huge marketing budgets as well.

256. Ahmed - March 10, 2014

@253. Mike Barnett & 254. Ensign RedShirt

True, hopefully someone will factor in all these numbers & give us a complete picture.

But it is really annoying that Star Wars with only SIX movies is a lot more profitable than 12 Star Trek movies !!

257. Phil - March 10, 2014

@252. I’ve seen this, the problem is it endorses the idea that the best Trek is the low budget stuff. While every studio would like to hit the “My Big Fat Greek Wedding” home run with every picture, the reality is the blockbusters do require the up front money. Overall, the profitability of the franchise isn’t bad, it just seems to continue from management treating it like the red-headed child no one wants to talk about…

258. Keachick - March 10, 2014

Gosh, you guys really don’t get it or me…very sad…:(

Chris Pine’s comments were reported on 20 January this year which makes any response more current than anything else I have read here. Admittedly, this is a Trek movie site, but hey…so? Bob Orci used this site to post his link about the problems associated with people using anonymity to post unedifying comment on internet sites.

Actually we all (CP as well) need to “back the truck up” here. The reality is that we all engage in internet social media whenever we read and respond to comments and/or news items. The internet (worldwide web) is a communications network, which many humans choose to use, being the generally SOCIABLE beings that we are. To nitpick one form of internet social media over other is not particularly nice/edifying and also quite stupid, yes – stupid! The real issue is not whether a person engages with Twitter or Facebook per se but how a person chooses to use any or all of the media available through the internet.

This site is one form of social media. All kinds of opinions have been tabled here. Posters abusing other posters by making unkind personal comments about another have occurred here with a fair bit of frequency and various posters have responded with letting this site know how upset, offended a comment has made them feel. Then this site has witnessed the argument which shall not be named between a poster and a writer, who shall not be named.

On the positive side, people have commiserated with a poster over the loss of a loved one (whether it be person or animal), cities being hit by earthquakes and other natural disasters, people giving their thanks to a member of the armed forces for their service and so it goes on… thank goodness!

Good grief – who are we kidding here?

#249 – Yes, indeed, who cares? roflmao….:( Are we not being a bit presumptuous? You don’t know what Chris reads or who he *knows* either. Recently Chris Pine is quoted as saying that he is fallible and that he does read comments made about him, his work. It is possible that a very unfair, nasty comment made by some mean anonymous troll is what precipitated his rather unceremonious outburst which unfortunately had the effect of not just flinging the really foul, caustic dung back at its owner, but also spraying “people”, ie anyone/everyone with it as well. I, along with you, are one of those everyone. This does, paradoxically, make it a bit personal.

Anyway, there is little more that I can say or indeed should say on the matter and I say this not for the sake of Red Dead Ryan, Who Cares and any others but for my sake and that of actor Chris Pine.

259. Ahmed - March 10, 2014

@256. Phil

“Overall, the profitability of the franchise isn’t bad, it just seems to continue from management treating it like the red-headed child no one wants to talk about…”

I wonder if the suits even care about the 50th anniversary, there is no buzz whatsoever so far.

260. Curious Cadet - March 10, 2014

@255. Ahmed,
“True, hopefully someone will factor in all these numbers & give us a complete picture.”

I think I can safely say that will NEVER happen. Even with an internal audit the results of which somehow the auditor was allowed to make public, it’s unlikely to give anyone a true representation of what was spent on those costs given the notorious studio accounting procedures. And it doesn’t really matter.

At the end of the day, STID made over $277 million after recouping its 190 million budget at the box office alone, not to mention how much it’s made in home video, PPV and broadcast rights. Even if Paramount spent $100 million on marketing that’s still $177 million in initial PROFIT to pay back what’s left over and pay a dividend to the original investors.

Compare that to the most profitable film — TWOK which only earned $235 million worldwide, adjusted for inflation. Even after recouping its production and marketing expenses, STID still walked away with over 75% of TWOK’s total take as profit. In terms of pure money in the bank, STID is right up there with the most profitable, hands down.

261. Ensign RedShirt - March 10, 2014

Here’s another factor to consider:

First week box office is often split 50/50 with theaters, with the studios getting a more favorable split in the ensuing weeks. Those splits vary widely in various overseas territories.

262. Cygnus-X1 - March 10, 2014

260. Curious Cadet – March 10, 2014

In terms of pure money in the bank, STID is right up there with the most profitable, hands down.

It’s not just about money in the bank, but also when that money will be in the bank.

Time is money, and if you’ve got $190 MM tied up and not giving you returns for 2 years, that’s a high opportunity cost. It’s also a high-risk investment, and George Lucas and Steven Spielberg have written articles and commented on the riskiness inherent in Hollywood’s current business model of placing more of its eggs in fewer baskets. TWOK, by contrast, was the movie-investment of a lifetime—low cost, low risk, high return on investment.

263. Dee - lvs moon surface - March 10, 2014

#258 – Hey Keachick, Chris Pine said he is a googleer, he said he spends hours listening to the radio France Info on the internet, he tries learn French this way, but there is controversy over whether this is working! :-)

264. Who cares - March 10, 2014

@Keachick I do not now, nor will I ever, care what you think about me or what Chris Pine thinks about me, you like many other people, seem to delight in taking offense at things other people say, such as Pine’s truthful, intelligent, and spot on comments about Twitter/Facebook, which are nothing more than an electronic cesspool, always have been, always will be. I remember you asking Bob Orci all kinds of questions, then accusing him of having some problem with you when he didn’t answer, not that he answers anyone’s questions, you just seemed to think you were entitled to special treatment. You would make me laugh if it wasn’t so offensive to me that anyone thinks they are so entitled.

I personally don’t care who or what showed Chris how stupid these, and other social media sites, are but I applaud Chris for not feeling the least bit worried about telling them to very publicly f—k their own face and for living his life without that BS. I actually respect him more just for that.

265. Phil - March 10, 2014

@258. Being one of those individuals who made less then complimentary comments about the actors career choices, I’ve since read some material about the man, personally, that caused me to reconsider – Mr. Pine seems very happy with his personal life, and the latitude that comes with being able to pick and choose his roles. I’ll still observe and comment on his creative endeavors, but how he arrives at those decisions is his business, and I’ll no longer offer up opinion on that. He’s a fairly well behaved celebrity, and deserves his privacy.

Back before the internet, it was not uncommon for a celebrity to keep up on what the press was saying about them – that celebrity could either choose to engage the tabloids, or ignore them. Social media is no different – there’s nothing wrong with Mr. Pine hopping on Goggle, or checking out Facebook and reading what’s being said. Likewise, it’s his decision if he wants to engage the fanbase through these mediums or not, in his case. In the age of the internet, there is something to be said for not participating – if he’s actively managing Chris Pine, the brand, then it’s very wise to have control over how you are perceived, you lose that control when you start in on social media. I don’t blame him for taking that route, and it’s really not our position to second guess it.

266. Ahmed - March 10, 2014

I hope that we will hear news, any news, before this site turn into Trek TMZ !!

267. Phil - March 10, 2014

Chris Pine flips out when, during a deposition, he’s asked about a former girlfriend. “Don’t even mention her again”, Mr. Pine snarled at the attorney.

To his credit, Chris Pine doesn’t get arrested, keeps his underwear on in public, doesn’t throw eggs at the neighbors, and does display his vices in public. All fodder for social media, and I don’t blame him for wading into the septic tank.

268. Phil - March 10, 2014

Doesn’t…

269. Ahmed - March 10, 2014

Just finished watching “Believe”, the new Abrams series. It was without doubts the WORST TV pilot that I’ve seen for a very long time. No wonder they changed the showrunners couple times before they even air the pilot.

270. boborci - March 10, 2014

249.

clarify? sure!

WhatI mean is that the more people know the reality or the truth of now things get done, particularly in this business, the more disillisioned they get. so whatever questions I don’t answer, it is not because I am embarassed or don’t want to tell the truth. It is because most can’t handle the truth.

271. Harry Ballz - March 10, 2014

Can’t handle the truth?

Oh, going A Few Good Men on us, eh, Bob?

Paraphrasing…..

“You want us on that movie, you need us on that movie. I prefer you just say ‘thank you’ and I’ll be on my way.”

Hard to believe, but some of us here can accept the truth, whatever THAT is.

272. Phil - March 10, 2014

This ‘truth’ is readily available. Google “The making of (insert name of favorite movie here)” and there is a world of information available on the subject.. The great mystery isn’t whether or not scenes shot for a trailer exist or make it into the final product, but in capturing a process of creativity that creates something special. If there was just a simple formula, everyone would do it.

Information is readily available in this day and age – it’s not your willingness to discuss details that people are looking for, Bob, it’s your insight that’s interesting. Please give your audience a little credit for understanding the difference.

273. Cygnus-X1 - March 11, 2014

After all of the cat-and-mouse, Bob’s finally going to reveal something like that those scenes don’t exist because Cumberbatch recorded those voiceovers in a bathrobe on a day that he had the flu and was intermittently losing control of his bowels during the recording session. And then you’ll be sorry that you didn’t take his advice and leave well enough alone.

274. Trekboi - March 11, 2014

I missed the Deleted Scenes being posted on Youtube before being removed on 6th March.

Can anyone tell me where to get these?

I have bought 3 copies of the film already but can not & will not buy an x-box just to watch the special features.

Can somebody help me with this Grave injustice?

275. Disinvited - March 11, 2014

#273. Cygnus-X1 – March 11, 2014

You are forgetting they developed the 3-D relipifier for looping which makes the robe a non-factor. Plus the noisy IMAX camera masks all the flushing. Of course, you would have learned all that, and more, if they hadn’t deleted the Deleted Scenes.

276. Cygnus-X1 - March 11, 2014

$330 million worldwide box office and they don’t even show us Cumberbatch dashing off to try and make the bathroom mid-scene. It’s outrageous! I demand my money back! I demand an investigation! Call JJ Abrams to account! And Chris Pine too!

277. Harry Ballz - March 11, 2014

Actually, when I think of the overall quality of STID, maybe hearing a toilet flushing in the background would be quite appropriate.

Benedict Cumberbatch is an amazing actor, but as they say, “if it ain’t on the page, it ain’t on the stage!”

278. Mike Barnett - March 11, 2014

Bob Orci,

You can probably tell that some of us are getting a little desperate for any sort of news regarding ST3. We’re down to analyzing franchise box office $ and profit margins! Can you throw us desperate fans – at least the ones who CAN handle the truth – a bone regarding ST3?

279. Phil - March 11, 2014

Apparently 23rd century bidet’s clean you up from the top down…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NfKGxLBM6o

Unfortunately the 23rd century blow drier has some…unfortunate design flaws, and those appliances never made it out of the sets department, after the property managers unfortunate….accident.

280. Ahmed - March 11, 2014

Come on guys, Bob is correct! We can’t handle the truth.

We should listen to him & not be like “a child acting out against his parents” !!

Cypher said it better when he warned us about the TRUTH & told us that
“ignorance is bliss”

281. Phil - March 11, 2014

Close your eyes, and you can hear Khan toweling off…because. He’s. Better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-3Iq3XQkAw

282. Disinvited - March 11, 2014

#276. Cygnus-X1 – March 11, 2014, 277. Harry Ballz – March 11, 2014, 278. Phil – March 11, 2014, 279. Ahmed – March 11, 2014

Wait…I think we’ve just figured out that that the 2009 movie’s towel-off scene has even greater cinematic significance because it was actually the result of Old Spock pranking Scotty into giving himself a Transwarp transporter swirly!

We have to wonder if that was maybe the Transwarp transporter’s originally scripted Achilles’ heel: its endpoint is mildly attracted to water?! That’s why Khan would have had recourse to towel!

Too bad the production couldn’t have pulled-off one of the greatest science-fiction scriptwriting innovations of all time: an apparently random wet tee shirt at the director’s whim!

283. LogicalLeopard - March 11, 2014

237. Keachick – March 9, 2014

Re-read his comment: ‘Asked if he would consider joining Twitter, Chris said: “F**k no! What am I going to tweet about? My sneakers? Or, ‘I have 140,000 friends on Facebook.’ What does that even mean? I find it to be a waste of time. The internet is so caustic; just a place where people get to spew nonsense and b******t.”‘

“…where people…” What people? Which people? You? Me? Who then? How does he define nonsense and bullshit? Many posters here have chided me for my “ramblings” – perhaps this post might be considered nonsense and bs by some, but hopefully not all. The final sentence was a flippant, thoughtless and careless statement – Pine bombing with a caustic bullet or two of his own.

*********************************

I think that you’re taking those comments way too seriously. And part of the reason why you’re taking those comments seriously is another problem with the internet/press. Pine probably responded to whoever asked the question in a quick, flippant way. I’m sure when he talked about the internet, he didn’t mean the WHOLE internet. Just like when you complain about the government, you’re not talking about EVERYONE in government, from the congressmen/ministers to the file clerks and everyone who draws a government paycheck. The difference is, you or I can make a comment like that, and no one thinks anything of it, because it’s not written down by anyone and examined at their leisure. You’ve probably said something like “That school system is terrible” or “All the guys there are lowlifes” or some sweeping generalization that you haven’t even thought about, but if someone read it, they’d take offense to it. And people DO get to spew nonsense and “BS” on the Internet, that is totally true. Take this message board for example. I could have chosen to have a decent response to your post, which I hope this is, or I could have chosen to ramble about any subject, or I could have chosen to personally attack you and try to demean you and make you upset. And “people go” to the internet to do things like that. They don’t typically “go in public” and do things like that. If I wanted to insult someone, because that’s what makes me happy, I’d probably go to the internet instead of, say, the gym. Its anonymous and perfect.

Another point: It’s obvious that Pine doesn’t see the use in Social Media. Many people don’t. I never saw the use of Twitter or Facebook before I joined Twitter and Facebook. But what’s less obvious here is the fact that Pine might see the Internet different than you or me. Unless you’re a celebrity, major or minor, I’m pretty sure no one has shown you a Tumblr page dedicated to your hands. Just your hands. Someone has shown this to Chris Pine. Whatever you do for a living, If you take pride in it, enjoy it, and find it fulfilling, it’s a blessing. But do your friends, or agent, or coworkers talk to you about how someone named “LogicalLeopard” wrote an excoriating, hateful review of a particular piece of work that you take pride in? Unlike most of us, who may not be familiar with, like, or utilize parts of social media, Social Media rarely turns on us like it does for a celebrity. When you look through the normal person’s eyes, social media may just seem like a waste of time. Through a celebrity’s eyes, social media can look like a hateful, spiteful, waste of time,in a scary universe where you could accidentally hit the wrong button on your phone, post a private picture to Twitter, and end up the lead story on TMZ five hours later!

284. IDIC Lives! - March 11, 2014

#264, Who cares
“I personally don’t care who or what showed Chris how stupid these, and other social media sites, are but I applaud Chris for not feeling the least bit worried about telling them to very publicly f—k their own face and for living his life without that BS. I actually respect him more just for that.”

I agree! I need to see more of this Chris Pine as Kirk as well. I need to respect nuKirk, I do believe Kirk would have a similar opinion. I hope they will let Chris put himself into Kirk enough so as to have a ring of reality. Maybe that is the difference thus far, Shatner put himself into Kirk as well, could not help it because TOS was shooting day after day, week after week, month after month. Kirk emerged as Kirk (not Shatner), but Shatner believed in Kirk. Pine is presented with a large mountain to climb with a bigtime movie to shoot suddenly, an established and memorable character to try to make his own. It must be difficult to put his soul into it but that’s what he needs to do.

Keachick, whatever are you on about now? What are you saying about “my sake (Keachick’s sake) and that of actor Chris Pine” ?? Maybe you and Pine don’t share “sakes” ??

285. Jonboc - March 11, 2014

#259. “I wonder if the suits even care about the 50th anniversary, there is no buzz whatsoever so far.”

… the fact that the 50th anniversary is 2 1/2 years away probably has a little something to do with that. lol

286. Ahmed - March 11, 2014

@ 285. Jonboc – March 11, 2014

“… the fact that the 50th anniversary is 2 1/2 years away probably has a little something to do with that. lol”

Right, mate! No rush then :)

287. Curious Cadet - March 12, 2014

@267. Phil,
“To his credit, Chris Pine doesn’t get arrested”

Chris Pine was just arrested last week for DRUNK DRIVING in New Zealand.

This is a serious offense. I’ve lost people I cared about both as victims of drunk drivers as well as the drivers themselves. While I agree he’s not the type to get into a fistfight a outside of fashionable clubs, this is FAR WORSE.

In one moment of poor judgement, Chris Pine could be gone, along with he newly rebooted Kirk, and more importantly an innocent victim, adult or child who may have had far more to contribute to the world than an irresponsible actor.

288. Phil - March 12, 2014

@287. Yeah, I saw that. And as it’s a breaking story, there is insufficient information available to speculate on details. Certainly not enough to find him guilty in the court of public opinion, or wild-eyed speculation on how this spells ruin for his career.

At this point, due process will run it’s course. It’s sufficient o say that he knows he made a mistake, and hopefully learns from it.

289. Marja - March 12, 2014

And who knows what the blood alcohol level is in NZ for a charge of drunk driving. Cast wrap party, a few beers, some wine, girlfriend just flown in from overseas …

Some of us might feel a ‘buzz’ but think we’re sober enough to drive. Some of us would be wrong, but I know I have done it in my past, more fool I.

290. Ahmed - March 12, 2014

According to The Hollywood Reporter “there were designated drivers at the party and he was surprised to hear that Pine had driven himself. ”

That doesn’t sounds good.

I’m sure that we will have more information from Keachick soon.

291. Cygnus-X1 - March 12, 2014

289. Marja – March 12, 2014

And who knows what the blood alcohol level is in NZ for a charge of drunk driving.

If it’s similar to Australia, it’s probably so low that gargling with mouthwash will get you pinched. People metabolize alcohol very differently, especially people who drink it regularly. So you can’t really cast moral judgement on someone simply for having a blood/alcohol level in excess of some arbitrary amount…unless they’re totally drunk and clearly should not be driving.

That being said, Chris Pine can probably afford a driver for the evening and maybe next time he should hire one, especially in a foreign country where you drive on the opposite side of the road.

292. Phil - March 12, 2014

It’s .08, the same as California. Basically, anything over two beers and you are done. Another consideration, some foreign brews can have a much higher alcohol content then their domestic counterparts. We also don’t know if Mr. Pine was misfortunate enough to find a local cop who was stoked about nabbing a celebrity.

I’m not condoning impaired driving, but I also understand there’s a world of difference between .08 and .28. Paramount had drivers available, it’s a mistake that I doubt Mr. Pine will make again.

293. Ahmed - March 12, 2014

@292. Phil

“Paramount had drivers available, it’s a mistake that I doubt Mr. Pine will make again.”

The owner of the bar, where they had the party, said that they provided drivers that night but Pine choose to drive by himself.

294. Cygnus-X1 - March 12, 2014

292. Phil – March 12, 2014

Paramount had drivers available, it’s a mistake that I doubt Mr. Pine will make again.

293. Ahmed – March 12, 2014

The owner of the bar, where they had the party, said that they provided drivers that night but Pine choose to drive by himself.

I can totally understand him wanting to drive himself, especially if he hadn’t had that much to drink. He seems like a bright guy who has probably now learned the cost of that choice.

295. Phil - March 12, 2014

@293. I was under the impression that Paramount had arranged for transportation through the establishment. Regards of how it was arranged, it was available and Mr. Pine chose not to avail himself of it.

Witnesses have said that he didn’t seem drunk, and was friendly with the patrons – everyone was well behaved. This does sound like he got nabbed for being just over the legal limit. We’ll find out more Monday, when his hearing is scheduled.

296. TELCAB - March 12, 2014

@boborci – Thanks for answering my query in 135/249.

My comment was meant as a compliment to the dialog that were in the trailer not as a criticism that they didn’t make the final cut of the film. I hope no offence was taken as none was meant.

297. Keachick - March 12, 2014

@ Cygnus and others – Please read my comment #237

“… I am not saying that Chris should engage with Facebook, Twitter etc. There is no rule that says that he, as an actor/celebrity, must engage online with anyone. In fact, it is his right to choose not to. That is the part of the interview that has not caused me offense. I thought I had been clear about it.”

Logical/Leopard – I do agree with you…as well.

#264 – Those comments were out of line and uncalled for. You have gone way further than Chris has.
Actually Chris Pine did not intimate that internet users should “f–k their own face” – he answered “fuck no!” to a specific question. That’s a little bit different. I do not expect “special treatment”, however receiving some acknowledgement/response to a comment/query at times would be nice and indeed has not only been nice, but instructive as well. I was not aware that Bob Orci is here just to conduct a monologue with himself…if so, he really should say so.

However, in the case of my post #225 in particular, that was a message to Chris Pine (I explained why I use this site) and did not occasion a response from anyone coming to this site, except it was the actor, Chris Pine, himself. He has various options…including the option of not saying or writing anything to anyone through any medium. Can I not be more clear?

298. Disinvited - March 12, 2014

This Pine incident begs the question, “As he was being signed to play the role of one of their iconic heroic characters, did Paramount require of him a morals clause in his contract and will the Paramount suits view this as an excuse to implement it to reduce costs?”

299. Ensign RedShirt - March 12, 2014

297 – Disinvited

This isn’t the studio system of the 1940′s. If he does have anything resembling a morals clause, it likely covers things far more severe than a DUI.

While driving under the influence is ALWAYS a poor choice, it’s very likely he’ll pay a fine of some kind and be sent on his way, and the incident will be forgotten about two weeks from now.

Paramount isn’t going to play games with the star of TWO of their franchises.

300. Keachick - March 12, 2014

My comment made on the IMDb Chris Pine message board earlier -

“I believe that Chris Pine was arrested on 1 March and had an evidential blood test taken. This said that he was over the legal limit. None of us know what his blood-alcohol test results are because it is now before the NZ courts. This has only just now come to my attention and has given me even more cause for unhappiness and concern.

I suspect that none of the people commenting on this thread live in NZ. Well, I do. I have a full NZ drivers licence and at times have been known to consume some alcohol – small quantities of wine or beer or spirits. What you may not know is that as from November 2013, NZ changed its laws as to how much alcohol a person may consume before being over the legal limit. However, in order for these new laws to become fully effective, they have had to receive “Royal Assent”. Because the NZ Parliament closes for the Christmas/January summer holiday period, this new legislation has not been fully enforceable. I believe, but cannot find actual evidence, that the new alcohol limits that a person may be prosecuted for exceeding, came into effect on 1 March 2014. Guess when Chris Pine got arrested? The old? legal limit is .8. The new limit has been set at .5. If his blood-alcohol count was between .51 and .8, then he should have received an instant fine of NZ$250.

As I said, I do not know when the .5 limit became the new law, whereby people could be prosecuted in a NZ Court of Law for exceeding that limit. All I know is that it is sometime in March 2014.

If Chris had come here a year ago, it is likely he would be deemed a sober individual driving along our roads upholding NZ law.”

I hope that Chris was not much over the limit (whichever it is) and that the court will look kindly on him.

As an aside, on 2 March I woke up with tearfully painful knots in my stomach (all over) for which no apparent cause has been found. They lasted most of the day and my mind kept wandering to CP despite my engagement with other activities and people… When is love/care/concern obsession and vice versa?

I guess this could constitute yet more BS for Who Cares, CP? and others to go on about…:(

301. Disinvited - March 12, 2014

#298. Ensign RedShirt – March 12, 2014

According to this source:

http://definitions.uslegal.com/m/morals-clause/

“Morals clauses are included today in certain contracts of public figures, such as athletes, actors/actresses, and others.”

it hasn’t ended with the 1940s.

And according to Scott Collins of the LATimes:

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/showtracker/la-et-st-duck-dynasty-ae-warned-phil-robertson-about-speaking-out-too-much-20131220,0,7276941.story

”Phil and other family members also probably signed contracts containing “morals clauses”…”

And Alec Baldwin:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/alec-baldwin-says-hes-leaving-682715

“Baldwin says his contract wasn’t paid because the network invoked a morals clause…”

The practice is not unheard of in these parts to this day and must therefore, not be as antiquated as you suggest.

302. Ahmed - March 12, 2014

@ 298. Ensign RedShirt – March 12, 2014

“This isn’t the studio system of the 1940′s. If he does have anything resembling a morals clause, it likely covers things far more severe than a DUI.”

While I totally agree with your first statement that this isn’t “studio system of the 1940′s” I disagree with your last statement.

“Paramount isn’t going to play games with the star of TWO of their franchises.”

True that Chris Pine is the lead actor of two of Paramount franchises, Star Trek & Jack Ryan, but he is not an A-list actor. Like the rest of the cast, Pine is not indispensable.

He was paid $1.5 million for STID & will gets $3 million for the 3rd movie. That is not what a STAR gets.

The good thing, that he is 33 years old, so he got plenty of time to move up the ladder.

303. Marja - March 12, 2014

Dear Rose, I hope that you soon feel better and that Mr Pine gives you no further cause for concern.

It’s awful to see someone we hold in high esteem act in ways that are less than we would hope for. Try not to hurt yourself with worry. That job is for Pine’s immediate friends and family. From what I’ve seen of him in his TV appearances he seems well grounded and modest on the whole, and personally I think his stand [as a celebrity] on social media is pretty sensible. Offensively expressed perhaps, but sensible.

304. Ahmed - March 12, 2014

@300. Disinvited

Interesting, wasn’t aware of that. Thanks for the links.

305. Keachick - March 12, 2014

“Nov 5, 2013 – Cabinet has approved lowering the blood alcohol limit from 80mg per 100ml of blood to 50mg for drivers over 20. – New Zealand Herald.”

That is the same as .08 and .05 using a different measurement system?

Chris Pine has spent several months in England where they also drive on the left, like NZ. I doubt this causes much of a problem for him now, although it may initially cause problems for his parents who are rumoured to be here now as well. It is quite possible that they may be more likely to have an accident without having a drop of alcohol in their systems than Chris would be after consuming a couple of light lagers.

Personally, I may register a .2 or .3 (or .02/.03) on any blood-alcohol test, yet I do not trust myself to drive. Alcohol quickly affects me. Some wine and sherries give me asthma and/or sinus problems. Then again, someone who suffers from inordinate sinus problems as I have done in the past can feel and appear drunk. Not a single, miniscule drop of alcohol has been consumed. The human body can make its own alcohol, given the right conditions. Was I fit to drive? Yes. In fact, often I had little or no choice.

I think our new legislation has put the legal limit too low and is only going to make problems for a number of good law-abiding people whilst the real DUI offenders continue to drive around after losing their driver’s licences because of serious (repeat) drunkenness, reckless driving etc, along with many people who drive cars that are not registered or more importantly, do not have current warrants of fitness.

This new legislation is not without controversy and to me it does seem like another (cynical) revenue gathering exercise. I don’t think that there is any evidence that it will necessarily save more lives.

306. Disinvited - March 12, 2014

#298. Ensign RedShirt – March 12, 2014

I’ve only seen the 2009 movie once so I expect if my recollection is wrong I will be duly corrected and welcome it, but if I recall the number of alcoholic beverages consumed by Pine’s Kirk before, during and after his drunken barroom brawl correctly, this recent Pine DUI would be a case of life imitating art in that there was no way this Kirk character left that bar sober to jump on his motorcycle and speed away.

In which case, you would be right: the new Paramount suits would have to be blithering idiots to go after Pine in light of that. Not that much money could ever be lost betting on the likely idiocy of OLD Paramount’s Trek execs’ impulses.

307. Ensign RedShirt - March 12, 2014

300 – Disinvited

Point taken, but as I also mentioned, if he does have a clause of some kind, it likely covers actions far worse than a DUI. If someone had gotten hurt or killed, then a morals clause could definitely be invoked, depending on the language of the contract, of course.

301 – Ahmed

I never said he was A-list, but he is the star of those two franchises. The salaries you quote were part of the three-picture deals he and most of his fellow actors signed when they committed to doing the reboot. He was a young actor in supporting roles up until that point and those salaries you quote support that notion. If there ends up being a fourth picture, trust me, he’ll be making a great deal more than $3 million.

Anyhoo, guys – IMHO, he’ll get slapped with a fine by NZ authorities, make a public statement/apology of some sort, and within 2 weeks the story will go away.

308. Ahmed - March 12, 2014

307. Ensign RedShirt

“IMHO, he’ll get slapped with a fine by NZ authorities, make a public statement/apology of some sort, and within 2 weeks the story will go away.”

Yep, it wasn’t a major incident after all, no one was injured or anything like that. The story will die out after the court hearing on Monday.

309. Phil - March 12, 2014

@305. .08 is simply expressing the limit in terms of a percentage. While various (US) states have different limits, it’s generally understood that a couple of drinks in an hour will impair you, but not to the point where you cannot operate a vehicle. For an average sized person, two drinks per hour will get you close to .08. .05 in New Zealand sounds to me like your legislature has adopted zero tolerance to driving impaired. To put this in context, anything above .2 usually results in passing out and possible alcohol poisoning.

I’d be curious, are bars required to provide transportation there?

Regardless, from everything that has been reported, there should not be any lasting ramifications to this. He’ll pay the fine, consider it a lesson learned, and probably pay a bit more attention to local law when he’s out of country in the future. Don’t be making yourself ill over this.

310. Ahmed - March 12, 2014

A wonderful “news” from our beloved Khannnnnnn!

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Benedict Cumberbatch hints at Star Trek 3 return

http://www.digitalspy.ca/movies/news/a557186/benedict-cumberbatch-hints-at-star-trek-3-return.html

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I’m guessing that BC is just joking, right ? I mean, there is no f**king way they will do that.

Lindelof said back in May that he wants Khan back for the 3rd movie but Lindelof, thank God, is no longer involved in the movie.

311. Phil - March 12, 2014

I don’t think this is the first time BC has talked about Trek 13 like he expects to be involved. Alice Eve has implied she plans to be back, too.

Sorry, but is the third installment is WOK 2.1, I’m staying home.

312. Red Dead Ryan - March 12, 2014

We probably shouldn’t worry about Chris Pine too much. I think this incident (which could have been fatal to either him or someone else potentially) was a matter of poor judgement.

I would expect that his friends and family (as well as his co-stars) will provide all the support he needs.

313. Cygnus-X1 - March 12, 2014

310. Ahmed – March 12, 2014

Benedict Cumberbatch hints at Star Trek 3 return

I’m guessing that BC is just joking, right ? I mean, there is no f**king way they will do that.

Honestly, I would not bet against it.

And I’m sure there are plenty people who wouldn’t mind if they did.

I wouldn’t even be surprised if they put Kruge in the next one. It is going to be Nu Trek 3, after all. And why break with precedent?

314. Buzz Cagney - March 12, 2014

urgh please no more Pantomime villain Cumberbatch.

And as for Pine, was he really Jim Beam’d up?!

315. Cygnus-X1 - March 12, 2014

314. Buzz Cagney – March 12, 2014

And as for Pine, was he really Jim Beam’d up?!

Booooo! Terrible! ;-)

316. Phil - March 13, 2014

The more I’m thinking about Cumberbatch and Eve being in the next movie, the more it’s depressing me. Jettison the baggage, guys. Your last attempt at recycling generated mixed results, repeating the mistakes won’t make them better.

317. Ahmed - March 13, 2014

@316. Phil

“Your last attempt at recycling generated mixed results, repeating the mistakes won’t make them better.”

Here is the problem, what if the writer himself doesn’t think that way ?

Remember this: “two biggest Star Treks in a row with best reviews is hardly a description of “broken.” (sic) As I love to say, there is a reason why I get to write the movies, and you don’t.”

If the writer thinks that all was well & perfect with the last TWO BIGGEST STAR TREKS, then no one should expect anything different in the 3rd one.

The best thing to do is to have lower expectations this time around.

318. Phil - March 13, 2014

Wherever you are, Mr. Orci, congratulations on Hawaii 5-0 being picked up for another season…

319. Phil - March 13, 2014

@317. While Bob is a bit cocky on pointing out the numbers, deservedly so, I might add, he would be deluding himself if he was not paying attention to the details – as we can imagine that Paramount is doing. Yes, the worldwide box office was good, but that does not mean you can ignore the drop in the domestic numbers. Yes, as a percentage matrix, the ratings and reviews were good, but the reviews tended to focus on the technical aspects, and were quick to slam the ‘paint by numbers’ storytelling and gratuitous tropes thrown in. So, I’d imagine that Bob, being a professional, would attempt to address these issues as well. And if it does turn out that STID was a writing exercise of ego flexing, then if the third installment is nothing more then ‘more BC and AE cowbell’, then we are all likely to be disappointed with the results.

K/O has shown they can do good work, so they’ve earned the benefit of the doubt. My criticism of the movie (and I know I’m not alone on this) was that they went down way to many rabbit holes that were left unresolved, with BC and AE being fairly one dimensional, that there is no compelling reason for me, as a viewer, to want to see more of this. May of those positive reviews pointed this out, and it needs to be said to get the message across – K/O and BR ran their experiment with Khan, you made some money, now lets move on. There’s no reason to thaw Khan out again for more of the same, and for gods sake, drop Carol Marcus off at planet Victoria’s Secret. Soon

320. Ahmed - March 13, 2014

Captain America 3 is coming out on May 6, 2016

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/mystery-solved-captain-america-3-688384

321. Vultan - March 13, 2014

#317

Geez, quite a statement from him. There’s plenty of writers out there, and there are both good and bad ones who manage to find large audiences. Numbers aren’t always an indicator of quality. If so, E.L. James would be one of the greatest novelists of all time.

322. dmduncan - March 13, 2014

What are the odds that you’d coincidentally get two writers with the words Boaz, Yakin, and Solomon in their names to write the most fun, pro-masonic movie that reads like a recruitment poster, ever made?

What are the odds of such a coinkydink?

323. Ahmed - March 13, 2014

@322. dmduncan

“most fun, pro-masonic movie”

What movie ?

324. Vultan - March 13, 2014

What the…?
Is it National Treasure…?

325. Ahmed - March 13, 2014

@ 244. Curious Cadet – March 9, 2014

“I suppose Cosmos is a little more focused. But I suppose it will play like science fiction in those states where they teach creationism in the schools.”

Yep, check this

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Oklahoma Fox station removes evolution from ‘Cosmos’ by cutting only 15 seconds

In what appeared to be an editing error, a Fox affiliate in Oklahoma managed to remove the only mention of evolution from Sunday night’s Cosmos science documentary by cutting only 15 seconds from the broadcast….

“Three and a half million years ago, our ancestors — your and mine left these traces,” Tyson said, pointing to footprints. “We stood up and parted ways from them. Once we were standing on two feet, our eyes were no longer fixated on the ground. Now, we were free to look up and wonder.”

But for viewers of KOKH-TV in Oklahoma City, that 15 second paragraph was replaced by an awkwardly-inserted commercial for the evening news. The edit was caught on video and uploaded to YouTube by Adam Bates.

At least one of the segments advertised in the news promo — a story about a 12-year-old bow hunter — did air on that evening’s newscast.

Watch the edited and original versions of Cosmos below, broadcast March 9, 2013.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/03/12/oklahoma-fox-station-removes-evolution-from-cosmos-by-cutting-only-15-seconds/

326. Cygnus-X1 - March 13, 2014

Demand for movies is relatively inelastic as a function of quality. Come the weekend, in an average economy, a certain number of people are going to go to the movies to have a good time—not quite totally regardless of what happens to be showing, but with regard that is very flexible. The point being, the BR writers can get away with another STID-quality script and it’ll still make money, maybe even as much money as STID made. Spiderman (2002) is the 15th highest domestic grossing movie of all time. Anyone who thinks it’s also the 15th best movie of all time really should have his opinion card revoked, because it’s an ankle-deep story and not even one of the better action movies.

I mean, if anyone were to really stop and think about it objectively—strip away all of the hero-worship, mystery, glory, legacy and tradition of Trekdom, they’d see that STID was almost a model of bad writing—on the whole, it made little sense and meant even less.

STID panders to the basest, most superficially infantile proclivities in the audience, and the writers are kidding themselves if they think they did a good job with it. So, enjoy your money, fellas. I suppose it’s one measure of success. But you can’t buy respect with it.

327. Vultan - March 13, 2014

#325

Except creationism isn’t taught in Oklahoma’s public schools. I know. I live in OK. Learned evolution in grade school. Yup, we even have paved roads too!

328. Ahmed - March 13, 2014

@327. Vultan

“Except creationism isn’t taught in Oklahoma’s public schools. I know. I live in OK. Learned evolution in grade school.”

Thanks for the clarification, I wasn’t aware of that.

329. Vultan - March 13, 2014

#328

No problem. I believe… Louisiana and Tennessee are the only states that allow creationism to be taught in public schools.

330. Buzz Cagney - March 13, 2014

#326 Nice. Well said.

331. Marja - March 14, 2014

327/329 Vultan, perhaps you learned Evolution like I learned Civics. About 35 years ago, before Creationism and Big Politics filtered down to the local level?

Not many schools teach Civics any more, so kids don’t learn how our government works. Schools can’t afford to teach Music, so kids don’t learn anything about musical history. Schools can’t afford to teach Driver Ed, so kids learn from their parents [and pick up their bad habits, along with their cell phones] &c. The world is goin’ ta hell in a handbasket!
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Re: THE KHAN THING

I hope it is a joke, but I’m with Ernest Hemingway, “For Whom the Bell Tolls”: DON’T SAY THAT. NOT EVEN IN JOKE.

332. Vultan - March 14, 2014

#331

I graduated high school in 2001. I had civics in grade school, driver’s ed in high school, though I already knew how to drive from my grandfather—a great role model by the way.

Maybe I was one of the lucky ones. But our arts were taken away due to budget cuts. Or so they said. They were still able to afford a couple more baseball diamonds!

333. Cygnus-X1 - March 14, 2014

They’re teaching creationism as science in Louisiana public schools now, I think. Maybe Kansas, too. The whole movement and trend toward ignorance and in the US reminds me of the TNG episode where the crew members “de-evolve” into more primitive forms of life…”Genesis” I think it was called. Who can forget the scene where Worf is scarfing down his dinner like a wild animal and becomes startled when Troi walks up to him, “Do not approach me unannounced! Especially when I am eating!” Worf was so much better in TNG than in DS9 where they completely took away his irascible personality for some reason, I guess for a change, but they didn’t really give him much of a replacement—just made him a sort-of wizened, self-moderated Klingon.

334. Who cares - March 14, 2014

People who are overdramatizing Pine’s DUI ticket need to put things in proper perspective. William Shatner was a murder suspect after his wife drowned in their pool, and while her death was ruled accidental, there are still people out there who believe he got away with murder. In fact I have seen statements from some of these people lumping Shatner in with OJ Simpson and other obviously guilty aquitted murderers. Now while I firmly believe Shatner to be innocent it does not change the fact that others do not, nor does it change the fact that it did not affect his career, compared to that a DUI isn’t even worth mentioning.

335. Phil - March 14, 2014

@334. Nah, there are only a couple of people who went way over the top in concluding the Pine DUI signaled the death of his career…and one of those people have since backpedaled on that. Rose seems upset, but that should pass.

Generally, when someone turns up dead, a spouse will always be a suspect, as a matter of practice. Prime reason being that frequently, the victims are killed by someone close to them (so much for defending marriage). Shatner was cleared almost immediately, and I suspect that anyone who legitimately believes that Shatner got away with an OJ, is probably one of those tin hatter types who spends way to much time listening to Coast to Coast.

I agree – and suspect he got tripped up by an overeager cop, in a land where the threshold for DUI is much lower then here. No need to overreact, the guy made a mistake, and it’s time to move on to more pressing Trek news – like solving the mystery of the missing release date for the next movie.

336. Ahmed - March 14, 2014

@335. Phil

“and it’s time to move on to more pressing Trek news – like solving the mystery of the missing release date for the next movie.”

Once Bob is done with AMS 3, Venom, The Mummy, Van Helsing, Identity AND Secret Cabinet, then he will have time to finish writing Star Trek XIII.

No rush anyway, we still have TWO years, right ? We want to make sure that they get the script right!

337. Who cares - March 14, 2014

@Phil. Well, to be fair, I was not just talking about comments here, but also over at trektoday.com and other places, since I abhor social networking sites and will not use any of them this is about the only place I am willing to post. I also agree it is likely that in the US Pine would not have even been over the legal limit, and I have to wonder if the local police there were targeting the foreigners specifically, everyone wants their 15 minutes of fame after all, and I am quite sure the cops in NZ are no more “incorruptible” that the cops in the US (or the rest of the world for that matter).

On the Shatner angle I know at least 1 person who sincerely does believe Shatner got away with an OJ, and he has a very large audience to share that belief with. This person would be Mr. Larry Flynt, president of Larry Flynt Publications (Hustler magazine and others), who has on multiple occasions had his people work up a photoshop image of Shatner, OJ, and several other people sitting around laughing about getting away with murder, which gets published in his magazines. Now I dunno if you would call Mr. Flynt a “tin foil hat” type, I just think he is an a–hole, but he does have a large sheeple audience so there is that.

Anyhow though, like you said, on to more important things,

338. Marja - March 14, 2014

There were also suspicions of Robert Wagner for the death of his wife Natalie Wood. Some think he did it, some don’t.
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I think Pine could have reasonably concluded he was sober enough to drive. Per the bartender he’d had a couple of beers and a glass or two of wine. Depending on the amount of time he had to process the alcohol and his fitness [thus high metabolism/liver function] he probably figured he was sober enough to drive [in the US]. NZ recently lowered the blood alcohol limit for DUIs, and the last time Pine was in NZ was before the change.

So I call BS/zealousness on the part of the police who pulled him over
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As for the movie, I have a feeling that the two writers are developing the story under Bob’s supervision, and will probably write the script with Bob’s supervision and written changes. So I think Bob will have/make the time for it. He’s a fan, I think he knows how important the 50th anniversary is. I hope this sense of import applies to the story!

339. Captain Slow - March 14, 2014

@ 336 Ahmed

My hope is that the two new writers will help get it done faster since as far as I know they aren’t working on anything else.

340. Keachick - March 14, 2014

Thank you, Marja and Phil, for your kindness expressed towards me. I sense that you do mean well.

However, herein lies the problem, something that is not easily enunciated. Because of my attraction and the fact that I choose (wisely or otherwise) to express my attraction, appreciation, liking (even a kind of love), care, concern etc towards an actor, someone who now plays one of my favourite characters from a favourite TV/movie series, I am referred to as being a “fan”. Indeed, I have called myself a Pine-Nut.

The reality is that “fans” are generally dismissed by most everybody. I am told that Chris Pine has his family, his friends (many of them fellow actors) to provide support and that is true. He certainly has no need of people like me. In fact, he only *needs* the likes of me when he is negotiating a film deal in terms of getting more money etc from studio employers. Having a solid fanbase can only help in this respect. The industry he works in cultivates this phenomena and he is living well compared with most, as a result of this, in part. He has to know this!

OK – Here is where PART of me (not all of me) is coming from – this is all happening within a few weeks
First -
He publicly dismisses all and sundry – where interacting with fans using Twitter/Facebook etc is a waste of time and where “the internet is so caustic; a place where people just spew nonsense and b******t”. “Thanks” for that, Chris…:(

Then, he is welcomed with open arms into MY country, my birthplace, a country I adore and is allowed to drive along MY roads (well, they are certainly not your roads nor are they his) and proceeds to attempt to drive whilst over the legal limit (whatever that might be). If it turns out that he was over the old .08 limit, then I will be upset.

Yes, I am upset and angry. I am also concerned for him. Why shouldn’t I be?

People here have written thousands of words, over many months, lamenting how the present Trek writers portrayed a totally FICTIONAL character, Khan, in this latest ST film series. They have expressed their anger, their frustration, how racially offended they are, being a Sikh of North Indian descent (Jai) etc. It does seem that many people have been so angry as to perhaps have made themselves ill over it or close to it. This is just example of many similar.

Yet when I, a NON-FICTIONAL, person express dismay, concern etc about another NON-FICTIONAL person, ie Chris Pine, I am referred to as being “obsessed” and “what’s Keachick on about now?” and well, and because I am neither friend or family, so what. In the scheme of things, what I express, may not be important at all, but I say that, right now, it is NO LESS *important* than anything else.

341. Ahmed - March 14, 2014

Until the first interview appear from the void, here is the other interview with J.D. Payne. A bonus new picture in the link :)

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To Boldly Go Where No Mormon Has Gone Before

Faithful Latter-day Saint, admitted “Trekkie,” and scriptwriter JD Payne is living the dream in Hollywood, where he’s working on writing the next Star Trek film. Find out what he has to say about being a Mormon in Hollywood–and catch a few hints about what he’s working on!

“If I could just get paid to do this, that’d be like getting paid to live at Disneyland,” mused JD Payne as he faced a life-changing decision: continue his studies in applied physics, or dare to do what he loved—write. It was a tough choice between job security versus long nights filled with a writer’s desperation.

But it was a choice that paid off for this self-admitted sci-fi geek who will in fact get paid to live his dream after landing the opportunity of a lifetime. He and a team of two other writers will take the lead on drafting the third movie in one of the hottest Hollywood franchises: Star Trek.

….

A Star Trek fan since 15, for Payne, it was a dream finally come true.

So what’s in store for Star Trek fans? “I can’t really talk about much of what it is,” laughs Payne, though he did share, “At its core, Star Trek has always been about adventure, exploration and wonder, with an optimistic sense of the future, and all its possibilities. It’s a massive playground; we’re so excited to be diving in on it.”

http://ldsliving.com/story/75007-to-boldly-go-where-no-mormon-has-gone-before

342. Keachick - March 14, 2014

#341 – Interesting. The two writers, JD Payne and Patrick McKay, could almost be taken for brothers.

It seems that JD Payne Mormon religious beliefs are important to him. It would be interesting to see how they might impact on the story that gets written.

343. Ahmed - March 14, 2014

Here is the Mormon Artist online magazine interview with J.D. Payne

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JD Payne

JD Payne and his writing partner, Patrick McKay, have been working together for over fifteen years. Originally from McLean, Virginia, just outside of Washington, D. C., the two met in 1997 in high school, where they began writing and directing original plays. JD went to Yale University, where he graduated with honors. He served a full‐time mission in Rome, Italy. To date, JD and Patrick have completed fifteen feature‐length scripts together.

Of their feature scripts, Midas helped them get their foot in the Hollywood door by securing them agency representation at UTA and management with Kaplan / Perrone. Goliath officially broke them in, selling to Relativity Media in August 2010 with Temple Hill attached to produce. Since then, they have written three projects for Paramount, including The Deadliest Warrior (21 Laps producing), Boilerplate, and Micronauts (J. J. Abrams’ Bad Robot producing); a project for the Church entitled The Last Days of Mormon (Remnant Pictures producing); and a script for Warner Bros called Law Zero (Vertigo and LIN Pictures producing).

Currently, in collaboration with writer Bob Orci, they are drafting Star Trek III for Paramount Pictures, with Bad Robot, K&O Paper Products, and Skydance producing. They are also working on a reboot of Flash Gordon.
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Q: There has been quite a bit written about the fact that the upcoming Star Trek will be your first produced script. However, you are pretty seasoned—how many screenplays have you written in total?

Payne: Star Trek will be our ~17th script from the first one we wrote when we were in college; our tenth from the time we got agency representation (though only seven of those have officially been in development at a production company and studio). I’ve read that the industry average is thirteen scripts in development for every one that ends up getting produced. I’m definitely still bullish that several of our other projects will make it to the silver screen, so we’ll see how that ratio ends up working out with our slate.

Q: How did you first become involved with Bad Robot? What was it like to work with J. J. Abrams and the group involved with the film?

Payne: We had a great initial general meeting at Bad Robot, after which we pursued a project that came to be known as Boilerplate. From there, things took on a life of their own. We feel like we share a creative sensibility and point of view with J. J. and his team. They’ve been fantastic to work with every step of the way on each of the projects we’ve developed together. It’s a relationship we feel very fortunate to have stumbled into.

I could go into more detail about the nuts and bolts of the collaboration, but I should probably leave it at that. People think Edward Snowden got exiled from the country for the NSA Wikileaks scandal; in actuality, I heard his real crime was leaking a super-secret pizza recipe from the kitchen at Bad Robot’s offices.

http://mormonartist.net/interviews/jd-payne/

344. Ahmed - March 14, 2014

@ 342. Keachick – March 14, 2014

“It seems that JD Payne Mormon religious beliefs are important to him. It would be interesting to see how they might impact on the story that gets written.”

I hope not. I’m glad to hear that they are Star Trek fans but I don’t want their religious beliefs to have any impact on the story.

345. Phil - March 14, 2014

Well, here’s hoping Trek has found it’s equivalent of Alfonso Cuaron….

346. Ahmed - March 14, 2014

After reading the two interviews with Payne, I’m thinking that the next movie is going to be a remake of ST V

Star Trek: The Search for God!

347. Cygnus-X1 - March 14, 2014

What’s Keachick on about now?

348. Vultan - March 14, 2014

A Mormon writer, eh? Well, no more alcohol for Scotty then! Ha ha.

Nah, I kid. This Payne guy sounds all right. He seems to know what Trek is really all about. Has done some physics studies too, so maybe no more ‘cold fusion’ flash freeze silliness.

Best of luck to ‘em.
2016 looks a little brighter.

349. Ahmed - March 14, 2014

@348. Vultan

“A Mormon writer, eh? Well, no more alcohol for Scotty then! Ha ha.”

lol

” Has done some physics studies too, so maybe no more ‘cold fusion’ flash freeze silliness. ”

Good point.

350. Curious Cadet - March 14, 2014

@344. Ahmed,
“I’m glad to hear that they are Star Trek fans but I don’t want their religious beliefs to have any impact on the story.”

What are you talking about? Mormonism is 2nd only to Dianetics as the biggest science fiction-based religion. Maybe the Enterprise will find Kolob — the birthplace of Earth!

And of course Kirk can have all the threesomes (and moresomes) he wants.

This’ll be great for Trek!

351. Ahmed - March 14, 2014

@350. Curious Cadet

“Maybe the Enterprise will find Kolob — the birthplace of Earth!”

Agreed, they should take one of the Final Five with them in their quest to find Kolob :)

352. Captain Slow - March 15, 2014

“At its core, Star Trek has always been about adventure, exploration and wonder, with an optimistic sense of the future, and all its possibilities.”

This sounds promising. Something that everyone at the studios have to understand is that Star Trek should be about adventure, not action. Obviously there has to be action in it but it shouldn’t be about that. Lets hope that the story is awesome.

353. T'Cal - March 15, 2014

That’s Kobol. So say we all!

354. PaulB - March 15, 2014

#340 Keachick, you seem like a sweet soul, but your posts about Chris Pine are TEXTBOOK EXAMPLES of obsession. Seriously, what you write is so painfully over-the-top that is seems as if you are trolling us, but your sincerity is so palpable that it only comes across as…well, it’s sad.

When your affection for an actor is so strong that you are DEVASTATED by his generalized dislike for the Internet…you’re obsessed. When your emotional stability can be shattered by the actions of a TOTAL STRANGER…you’re obsessed.

NO stranger’s words or behavior should have THIS much of an effect on any fan’s life. (And yes, Chris Pine is a stranger to all of us who don’t know him personally, including you, his #1 fan.)

355. Who cares - March 15, 2014

@Keachick. So I guess if you don’t want any religious influences in Trek you must have hated the end of “Bread and Circuses” when they were sitting on the bridge and respectfully discussing Jesus? You must have also hated McCoy’s little talk about the Genesis device in TWOK as well, not to mention the entire run of the heavily religious DS9. Not to mention an episode of Voyager where Harry Kim transported to a planet during their funerary services, and they a great discussion about the afterlife, aside from Chakotay arguing to examine the bodies only using visual examination out of respect for the species religious beliefs.

Lots of religious influences in Trek, always has been. I say the fact that this writer is Mormon is not an issue, any more than it would be if he was Christian, Buddist, or any other religion.

356. Ahmed - March 15, 2014

Being a Mormon is not an issue by itself, the concern that Payne seems to be deeply influenced by it in his works.

From the “Goliath” screenplay which is based on the Biblical tale of David vs. Goliath to “a project for the Church entitled The Last Days of Mormon”.

The good news that we have Bob to keep the new guys focused on the story & not to inject any unwanted stuff.

357. Ahmed - March 15, 2014

Trekcore just posted an article about these two interviews with Payne

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New ‘Star Trek 3′ Co-Writer J.D. Payne Talks ‘Trek,’ Bad Robot, and Writing Partner Patrick McKay

Last December it was announced that writing partners J.D. Payne and Patrick McKay would be joining Roberto Orci as the lead writers on 2016′s Star Trek 3, the next installment in J.J. Abrams’ reimagined Star Trek movie series.

Aside from their rather empty IMDB listings, there’s been virtually no information available on either of these newcomers — but two new interviews with Payne have surfaced on a pair of Mormon-centric websites, and the writer talks about not only his initial collaboration with McKay, but his entry into the world of Star Trek as well.

http://trekcore.com/blog/2014/03/star-trek-3-co-writer-j-d-payne-talks-trek-bad-robot-and-writing-partner-patrick-mckay/

358. Phil - March 15, 2014

@354. Not sure she meant that in a negative way. Whether by accident or design, there have been a handful of secular movies that ended up heavy in religious allegory in recent years – I have no issue if Trek is similarly influenced – in a good story I would expect that even in the 23rd century, people of faith will still be making contributions to society. There’s no reason those stories should not be told.

A couple of these comments seem to hint this is going to be nothing more then a Mormon propaganda piece. I suspect that Paramount knows better. I also doubt that Bad Robot could pull off anything where there is legitimate examination of an individual or societies values, so I suspect these guys will be giving us more sci-fi action fare…

359. Who cares - March 15, 2014

@Phil. Have you seen Almost Human? Lots of examination of individual and societal values going on there and it is a Bad Robot production, so they are in fact more than capable of it. I hope the show gets renewed, it deserves to be, unfortuantely its on Fox so it probably won’t be, they will probably end up pulling another Firefly and proving once again that the people in charge at Fox don’t understand science fiction and aren’t even willing to try.

360. Ahmed - March 15, 2014

@358. Who cares

” I hope the show gets renewed, it deserves to be, unfortuantely its on Fox so it probably won’t be”

Yeah, it sure looks that way

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FOX Predictions: ‘Almost Human’ Is Likely To Be Canceled

There was no news about Almost Human last week, and in this case, no news is bad news. Is it conceivable the show still gets renewed? Yes. Is it likely? No. Hence the prediction change.

http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2014/03/11/fox-predictions-almost-human-is-likely-to-be-canceled/242264/

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Sci-Fi showrunners should keep away from Fox, that network is Sci-Fi graveyard.

361. Ahmed - March 15, 2014

@Matt,

Since there is nothing new yet about the movie, how about an article on the two interviews with Payne ?

362. Matt Wright - March 15, 2014

Yep was going to write it up when I had time, now that I know of these interviews.

363. Ahmed - March 15, 2014

@362. Matt Wright

Great.

364. Vultan - March 15, 2014

Leonard Nimoy incorporated part of his Jewish background into Star Trek, that being the famous Vulcan salute. Seemed to work out okay.

Very doubtful the next movie will be a big commercial for Mormonism, but if Payne wants to incorporate elements of his faith into the fiction, I see nothing wrong with it.

365. Ahmed - March 15, 2014

@364. Vultan

“but if Payne wants to incorporate elements of his faith into the fiction, I see nothing wrong with it.”

I disagree. If he wants to do something like that, he should keeps it to the church project, not Star Trek movie. The focus should be on writing a good Star Trek story, not trying to bend the story to incorporate religious themes.

366. Tom - March 15, 2014

Looks like Marvel did another great job with a mid credits and End Credits scene. Still would love it if Bob would include Shatner and Nimoy in one at the end of Trek 3

367. Ahmed - March 15, 2014

@366. Tom

“Looks like Marvel did another great job with a mid credits and End Credits scene. ”

Captain America 2 ?

368. Red Dead Ryan - March 15, 2014

So the first big piece of news to come out concerning the next Trek film revolves around one of the writers being a Mormon. The secret is out now.

That was some good detective work by Ahmed.

369. Phil - March 15, 2014

@359. Yeah, I have seen it – recycled cop drama, and the robot is a bit more useful then Robby the Robot. Ooooo…edgy observations on the human condition from a machine. God, where’s Rod Serling when you need him….

JJ has to be the only man alive who thought Holmes & Yoyo needed a reboot. To their credit, at least Fox gave it a chance. I doubt it would have been given a second look elsewhere, it would not have even lived up to SyFy’s low standards.

370. Ahmed - March 15, 2014

@ 368. Red Dead Ryan – March 15, 2014

Thanks RDR.

I think him being a Mormon is not a problem by itself but reading this from that interview is worrisome a little:

“As far as his unique perspective as a Latter-day Saint goes, Payne believes it brings a lot to the table. “I’ll read my scriptures in the morning before starting my writing for the day to kind of get in the flow of inspiration.” It’s a habit he’s had for years, and that has shaped his outlook on life and his screenwriting work.

“I’m on this earth to get done what the Lord wants me to get done. And some of that is in the personal ministering I do with my Church callings, and some of that is in my life’s calling, being a screenwriter and a Latter-day Saint artist.

In 2 Nephi, it talks about ‘asking the Lord to consecrate your performance unto you that it may be for the welfare of thy soul.’ I consider writing to be a certain kind of performance, so I ask for that to be consecrated and to be made something that’s truly special and beautiful.”

371. Tom - March 15, 2014

#367 Ahmed

Yes. Sorry. was reading some spoilers of Capt America 2.

372. Phil - March 15, 2014

@370. I’m not seeing what the problem is, here. Regardless of what God you bow down to, if you go to your faith for inspiration and guidance it usually is considered a positive attribute. Considering that close to fifty-five years of hedonism has resulted in an unending stream of the worst of the human condition being presented as normal, maybe a celebration of the special and beautiful might be a refreshing change.

Even prior to JJ coming on board, we have been berating the ‘same old, same old’ in Trek for a while – these guys could be the shot in the arm we are looking for…

373. Ahmed - March 15, 2014

@ 372. Phil – March 15, 2014

“I’m not seeing what the problem is, here. Regardless of what God you bow down to, if you go to your faith for inspiration and guidance it usually is considered a positive attribute.”

I guess that after living in the Middle East for two decades, I’m a bit cynical when someone mention the influence of religion on their works.

“these guys could be the shot in the arm we are looking for…”

Hope so, he did say something really good in that interview:

“At its core, Star Trek has always been about adventure, exploration and wonder, with an optimistic sense of the future, and all its possibilities. It’s a massive playground; we’re so excited to be diving in on it.”

If he kept his eyes on that & didn’t get distracted by other things, then we will be in for a good Trek movie.

374. Keachick - March 15, 2014

#354 – Yes, you could be right because, right now, someone I care about from afar is also facing DUI charges in MY country of all places. I see no reason not to express my concern and care. I am not able to do so directly to Chris Pine in person, so I do so here, in the vain hope…

Yes, I do admit that I am probably taking his care-less comments re the internet as a whole a little too personally and I do need to let it/them go, for my own sake.

(Perhaps Matt Wright, moderator and/or Bob Orci have been willing and able to action my request, but neither have given any indication in this respect. Matt is allowing me to express myself, in this matter, here on this site and I thank him for that.)

In terms of obsessive behaviours demonstrated by a great many, you only have to look at what happens with sports in general… I suspect that it might constitute part of what it means to be human, ie that we may all feel a little obsessed about something or someone, whether it/they be a person who is very close or a person we may not know personally at all, eg how well a player on the field may perform or otherwise.

#355 – Please – Pay attention. It is Ahmed who has expressed dislike of the notion that a writer may inject some of his religious understanding/values into a Star Trek story line, NOT ME. I just wrote that it could be interesting to see how JD Payne’s own beliefs etc could impact on any story he wrote. Not the same thing at all.

375. Vultan - March 15, 2014

#365

You misunderstand. I’m talking about specific elements of his religion, not themes or dogma. Like when Glen Larson, also a Mormon, rearranged a couple of letters and Kolob became Kobol in BSG. Pretty sure that didn’t hurt the viewing experience.

And who would’ve thought ancient Judaism approved of Star Trek? ;-)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/Synagoge%2C_Enschede%2C_Mozaiek.jpg

376. Ahmed - March 15, 2014

@Who cares

“#355 – Please – Pay attention. It is Ahmed who has expressed dislike of the notion that a writer may inject some of his religious understanding/values into a Star Trek story line, NOT ME.”

Yep, I was quoting Keachick in my post where I expressed my discomfort with that idea.

@375. Vultan

“And who would’ve thought ancient Judaism approved of Star Trek? ;-)”

Cool image, if Herbert was here, he would probably concluded that Vulcans influenced Judaism back in the day :)

377. Cygnus-X1 - March 15, 2014

Keachick, do you know what Chris Pine’s favorite color is?

378. Who cares - March 15, 2014

@Phil, Judging from your statement you have not in fact seen the show. Other than being a cop show there was nothing “recycled” anywhere. The amount of thought put into the world building alone… I mean come on even Gene and Berman never thought of a nanobot grenade to clean forensic evidence from a crime scene, and if Wesley can make nanobots that take over the ship, then criminals should be able to come up with that in the 24th century. Never happened on Trek though, all those murder mystery epsiodes, on TNG, DS9, Voyager, they never once had a forensically blank crime scene to work from.

I can understand saying that cop shows aren’t your thing, or that you don’t want to watch a show with by JJ starring Karl Urban cause you hate JJ, but don’t tell me the show is unoriginal. So far as your claim it is “low quality” that’s just patently ridiculous, the sets are gorgeous, the mix of cg and set dressing for the backgrounds and cityscapes is top notch, and seamless, and the android effects are done better than I have ever seen (and I have seen virtually every screen android, large screen or small) and that includes Data.

Right now Dorian is in third place for fictional androids for me, with one Sonny from I, Robot and Data ahead of him, if he gets more screen time that will probably change.

379. Ahmed - March 15, 2014

@378. Who cares

“but don’t tell me the show is unoriginal.”

Sorry but it is not original. Just watch the 1999 series “Total Recall 2070″

“David Hume is a senior detective for the Citizens Protection Bureau (CPB), a police agency. After his first partner is killed by self-aware androids, he is partnered against his wishes with Ian Farve, a naive android officer new to the department.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_Recall_2070

The only difference that Almost Human is more comedic than TR 2070.

I like both shows & hope that Almost Human get renewed but the fact remains that it is not an original show.

380. Phil - March 15, 2014

@378. You have to be kidding – a s**t plot device makes the show for you? Seems to me that if you have a device that can obliterate evidence at a crime scene, why not just have it obliterate the victim? Seems to me that Gene did just that in Mirror, Mirror.

No issue with cop shows – Hill Street Blues was some of the best police drama ever made. And while I don’t carry water for Bad Robot, I’ve been very supportive of JJ’s efforts with the franchise. Sorry, Almost Human is just a bad show.. I stand by my criticism, and judging from the ratings I’m not alone.

381. Who cares - March 15, 2014

@Ahmed. l watched that show, didn’t like it, not sure why. But I will grant that ok the concept of cop/android partners may have been done, but to me Almost Human was much more original in exploring the ideas and possibilities of the technological and social future we may be looking at in a way which has never really been attempted. They really looked at the kinds of tech appearing around the world right now and came up with some incredible ideas about its progression, and what that progression would do to the society around it, especially when the criminals get involved in the process, never mind the Chromes and how that all has affected the society. If you can point me to a android cop show with this level of world building effort then I will concede that it is not original.

382. Keachick - March 15, 2014

#377 – Nope – haven’t a clue. It is possible that another Pinenut might know because *they* have read his answer on an internet site that I am not familiar with.

Of course, he may not have a favourite colour. I don’t. My preferences keep changing, depending on my mood…

Why do you want to know?

383. Marja - March 15, 2014

Religion
Sports
Trek
SWars
Gossip

the opiates of the people
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Also does anyone remember the series with Gary Soval in which he was a cop partnered with an alien? Or the movies in which human guys were paired with animals, either K-9 or baboons? It’s a trope all right.

384. Marja - March 15, 2014

375 I thought Kobol was a joke on D&D, which featured Kobolds. [shrug]

385. Marja - March 15, 2014

355 Whocares, I disliked the end of Bread & Circuses, personally, and I’m amazed that Roddenberry, a Humanist by creed, allowed that sort of scripting. The enraptured look on Uhura’s face, OMG. If she’s from Kenya, is there a large Christian population there? Again, [shrug]

386. Vultan - March 15, 2014

Alien Nation?

387. Ahmed - March 15, 2014

@380. Phil

“No issue with cop shows – Hill Street Blues was some of the best police drama ever made.”

If you like cop shows, you may want to take a look at “Line of Duty”. It is a brilliant British police drama. It is a well written series & with very talented cast. The first series was only 5 episodes & the 2nd series, which is airing now, is 6 episodes with the finale coming next week.

388. Keachick - March 15, 2014

A Humanist does not necessarily discount people’s spiritual beliefs and experiences. Humanism just put humankind first. Whether individuals experience/believe in God, Gods, a Higher Power or Consciousness or whatever is personal. However, it is my understanding that Humanism seeks to uphold certain needs, values and rights common to all humanity, irrespective of individual persuasions of various kinds.

Many of those values in common are also found in most, if not all, of the major religions. Some values are deemed more important than others and can be interpreted in various ways, depending on other influences like culture and history of a particular people.

Religion does not depend on belief in a god, or one god, or otherwise. It is about the values we have and share and how we interpret and live them.

Not killing is an ethical/moral value shared by all the major religions. Yet the three religions who share and seek adherence to the Ten Commandments brought to them by Moses have routinely gone to war, often in the name of their religion, and been responsible for the maiming and deaths of thousands.
“Thou shalt not kill” continues to be interpreted with an undeniable *liberalism*, eg it is OK for some state to kill someone via the Death Penalty or send soldiers off to foreign soil to kill and/or be killed, but not OK for a person to kill someone who may have been an utter and uncompromising bully and a-hole for as long as that person can remember.

On the other hand, Humanism can mean that an Atheist and a Catholic can be in full agreement in their opposition to abortion, with the Atheist citing the value of (unborn) life and that killing such is wrong just as a Catholic, citing his own religious faith. For the Atheist, he reaches his conclusion not because he believes in one God and Creator but from other.

Actually, NZ did have two such people working at National Women’s Hospital in the 1960s as gynaecologist/obstetricians and who were responsible for pioneering the procedure to safely perform, for both mother and baby, a blood transfusion on a foetus while still in the mother’s womb. As an aside, one of these men delivered my better half into this world.

389. dmduncan - March 15, 2014

372. Phil – March 15, 2014

Even prior to JJ coming on board, we have been berating the ‘same old, same old’ in Trek for a while – these guys could be the shot in the arm we are looking for…

***

Either that, or the kick in the balls we’re looking to avoid. Time will tell.

390. boborci - March 15, 2014

326.

Hilarious.

391. Ahmed - March 15, 2014

@ 385. Marja – March 15, 2014

“If she’s from Kenya, is there a large Christian population there?”

Yes, as with most cases in Africa, Christianity was spread by colonists in Kenya. Right now, more than 70% of Kenyans are Christians of various denominations, Catholic, Protestant, Eastern Orthodox & Mormon.

392. dmduncan - March 15, 2014

Bob! Good to “see” you. Fascinating times we live in, huh?

393. Phil - March 15, 2014

@389. Hey, I’m trying real hard to be a ‘glass half full’ kinda guy. Unless, of course, someone knocks the glass over, then I’m going to be pissed…

394. Keachick - March 15, 2014

#326 – “STID panders to the basest, most superficially infantile proclivities in the audience”

Really? I did not think it went far enough – no sex – you know the real raunchy kind. Has not this Kirk got real balls and firm attachment and know what to do with them? @ Bob Orci et al – FAIL!

:-))

395. Cygnus-X1 - March 15, 2014

382. Keachick – March 15, 2014

And you call yourself an obsessed fan? Pshhh…

Earlier you were reminding me of the Sandra Bernhardt character from The King of Comedy, but if you don’t even know Pine’s favorite color….

All I’m saying is that you’re going to have to work *a bit* harder if you really want to be a Pine nut. You can start by showing up at the courthouse for his hearing and offering do jail time in exchange for the charges being dropped against him. That will surely endear you to him. Just wait until you see the smile on his face.

396. Cygnus-X1 - March 15, 2014

394. Keachick – March 15, 2014

Really? I did not think it went far enough – no sex – you know the real raunchy kind. Has not this Kirk got real balls and firm attachment and know what to do with them?

That’s coming in the next movie.

No pun intended, of course. Let’s keep this civilized.

397. Keachick - March 15, 2014

I did not say that I was obsessed. PaulB wrote that I was (see post #354).

If Chris was (well) over the old limit of .08, he can do his own time. It really depends on what his blood-alcohol level was along with other possible factors, which no one knows, other than himself, his legal counsel and NZ Police, nor is anyone allowed to say.

In these parts, tomorrow is 17 March…

Civilized, you say? Well, I say if good men like Jim Kirk hadn’t known the proper thing to do with their balls and firm attachment, we would not have a civilization in order to be civilized…:)

I mean, we can’t rely on the stork anymore as these birds are one of the many species facing extinction…:(

398. Disinvited - March 15, 2014

#381. Who cares – March 15, 2014

It’s not TV but if you are pondering sources of inspiration I’d look towards Ellison’s BRILLO and the tv show FUTURE COP that was sued for being derivative of it.

And for the record, I find ALMOST HUMAN watchable. I’d like to see it get another year to shake the kinks out.

399. Jack - March 15, 2014

Wasn’t the original BSG Mormon influenced?

So what’s going on with all the Joseph Smith connections (okay, 2), Bob? Ender’s and now these guys? Did Twilight make the studios decide that Mormons make them money?

To be honest, I’m a little worried about this. “Silver screen?” Will this be Battlefield Earth Redux?

Btw, can we get some real(er) politics this time? It would be swell to see Romulan Frank Underwood… (I keed?).

400. Jack - March 15, 2014

Ps. Doesn’t everybody already know how the business works? — it’s all about making as much money as possible. Movies are products geared to specific demographics. Plus there are endless politics behind the scenes. And, still, more than a few folks in the industry think they’re curing cancer.

401. Keachick - March 15, 2014

#375 – Have you not read Leonard Nimoy’s explanation of how he came upon using the Vulcan Peace/Live Long and Prosper hand gesture?

The story goes like this (paraphrasing Leonard Nimoy):
As a child, Leonard Nimoy was brought up within Orthodox Judaism. One day, while at the temple/synagogue with his family, he peeked. Apparently, during part of a more sacred proceeding, the rabbis make this hand gesture upon the congregation, where the congregation keep their eyes closed. This was an important aspect of the ritual. Well, a young Leonard decided to peek and saw the rabbis make this hand gesture. He did not tell anyone what he had done – because he was naughty. He went home and practised the hand sign in private.

Many years later, when discussion came about in deciding how an alien Vulcan might communicate with others as opposed to a human handshake for instance, he remembered the hand gestures made at temple that day and voila – the Vulcan Peace sign came into being.

I think (someone with more knowledge than I may correct me) the Jewish hand sign means “May the Lord bless and keep you.”

402. Marja - March 15, 2014

340 Rose, He publicly dismisses all and sundry – where interacting with fans using Twitter/Facebook etc is a waste of time and where “the internet is so caustic; a place where people just spew nonsense and b******t”. “Thanks” for that, Chris…:( From the quote, I don’t think he was referring to interacting with fans. I think he was condemning SOCIAL MEDIA, not the fans who use it. There are a lot of a$$holes that use it too, and trolls who are just there to hurt people’s feelings. Yes, for him, a working actor, it’s a waste of time. I imagine every time he gets on his smartphone he’s talking to his agent, discussing things / scripts / activities with friends or family. I really don’t think a working actor has a lot of spare time to get onto social media. An actor is memorizing lines, reviewing rafts of scripts to see which he’s interested in. And working out, my god, these guys must work out for three hours a day to keep so fit.

Quinto tweets occasionally, usually photos with wry captions via Instagram; he enjoys taking photos and is a pretty good photographer. But I think he spends most of his time managing his production company, chatting with friends and family, walking the dog, working out. Quinto [and I wouldn't be surprised if he learned from Nimoy] is very kind when he meets his fans, but he maintains very clear lines between public life and private life. Maybe Pine is only comfortable meeting fans in person at public events and is not comfortable interacting with them at any other time by any other means.

Pine may have had a very weird/scary interaction with a fan at some point since he’s hit it big. There are “fans” who are truly fanatical, there are fans who stalk, there are some pretty feckin scary people out there with mental illness who think they have a real relationship with people. [Patrick Stewart had a fan who registered at stores with his name and bought wedding china and stuff; she finally received a Cease and Desist order after a year or so of this nonsense.] Some break into celebrity homes. I know I’ve said this above, but actors have actually been killed by psychofans. Some people are creepy and some are genuinely dangerous.

I know you’re not that kind, you’re “obsessed” in a friendly way. While you take the time to see what Pine’s been up to, and share opinions on that, I doubt Pine has time to take to see what his fans are up to and what their opinions are. He seems gracious and fairly modest on talk shows, just remember, he’s still young and perhaps hasn’t laid on the hard shell finish that actors get after some time in the spotlight. So his responses to questions are a little more frank and a little less practised than the responses of other actors. I really don’t think he was trying to be hurtful, I think he was being more facetious and judgemental. And who among us is not judgemental sometimes?

[especially on this site] [runs and hides]

403. Marja - March 16, 2014

350 Curious, LOL! I’m with Ahmed on the religious stuff, please no, not in the movie. [OK I'm trying reeeeaaallly hard not to joke on Mormonism, but since Curious already beat me to it, I'll second him!]
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354 PaulB, IDK, Rose is just being honest about her crush on Pine, she’s up front about it. People who don’t like her posts should just skip on down, though sometimes she has very interesting things to say about society and perceptions and so on.

There are fans on this board who get nasty and trollish and waste feet of column space throwing crap at each other and sock-puppeting. I’d hella lot rather read Rose’s fannish posts than that stuff.

I say, let people have their obsessions, hellz, there are people here who are obsessed with every piece of plating on the fictional hull of the fictional Enterprise 1701-A. Rose is a gentle soul, and yes, she’s obsessed a bit with Pine and the character Kirk, but what the hey, we’re all a little obsessed with Trek or we wouldn’t be here, eh?

404. Marja - March 16, 2014

401 Rose, Many years later, when discussion came about in deciding how an alien Vulcan might communicate with others as opposed to a human handshake for instance, he remembered the hand gestures made at temple that day and voila – the Vulcan Peace sign came into being.

I think (someone with more knowledge than I may correct me) the Jewish hand sign means “May the Lord bless and keep you.”

The shape the hand assumes in the Vulcan LLAP gesture is the shape of the Hebrew alphabetic character “Shin,” which is the first character in the Hebrew word for God. The rabbi raises both hands in this gesture as a way of saying “God be with you” in much the same way that Christian ministers &c. give their benedictions to their “flocks.”

405. Marja - March 16, 2014

388 Rose, “Religion does not depend on belief in a god, or one god, or otherwise. It is about the values we have and share and how we interpret and live them.”

As I understand it, Religion is a specific set of beliefs relating to how one relates to a specific god or gods.

Spirituality is about a belief in something greater than ourselves, be it a Higher power, a Source, a Force, or what have you.

Humanism concerns the values humanity holds in common, the ethics and practice of kindness and true morality, not the false morality in which one religion condemns the practices of those who have a different religion.

406. Marja - March 16, 2014

394 Rose, IDK, I’d kinda like to see some hot Spock-Uhura Pon Farr action ;-)
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399 Jack, LOL! Well, Ender’s Game lost a passel of business on the part of gay moviegoers and those who support gay rights, b/c of Mormon, Orson Scott Card’s widely aired views on religious morals. So it’s probably 50-50 …

Also, to my recollection, I don’t think it was BSG but Babylon 5 that had some Mormon ideas bruited about.

I can see it now, [no no stop do not insult religious folk] [through muzzle:] nevermind

407. Keachick - March 16, 2014

Thank you, Marja. I knew it was something like that. It is rather nice actually what Leonard Nimoy has done. When making that sign, we can either use the fictional Vulcan meaning of Live long and prosper or the original Jewish meaning of God be with you. Both are lovely and very affirming.

On the issue of how much a person’s religious beliefs may influence their fictional writing, I do not think that it should be much of an issue, not in JD Payne’s case, at least. Sure, many find the whole Joseph Smith story a bit “out there”, but he, nor anyone else, is asking us to believe it and convert. One Star Trek story, which might hint at one or two LDS concepts, could just make for an interesting perspective presented, but not necessarily the only perspective, in whatever story is being told. He might have a really interesting, life affirming fun Star Trek story to tell. Here’s hoping…enough “darkness” already.

Without knowing anything more, JD Payne looks like an OK sort of
guy. LDS neither drink alcohol nor smoke. They are like Seventh-Day Adventists in that respect.

408. Keachick - March 16, 2014

#388 -”A Humanist does not necessarily discount people’s spiritual beliefs and experiences. Humanism just put humankind first. Whether individuals experience/believe in God, Gods, a Higher Power or Consciousness or whatever is personal. However, it is my understanding that Humanism seeks to uphold certain needs, values and rights common to all humanity, irrespective of individual persuasions of various kinds.”

Marja – I already wrote what you wrote, though you conveyed your thoughts more succinctly than I did. A Humanist can surely write about a particular religious belief upheld by some individuals.

409. Marja - March 16, 2014

I have no objection to spiritual beliefs; “the Force” from Star Wars strikes me as such, and the Vulcan beliefs sometimes seem spiritual too. I just don’t want a specific religious message, and I would think Mr Payne knows enough about scripts by now not to turn off legions of Trek fans with such. Many Trek fans are humanists and atheists, so I hope he’s aware of this and plans accordingly.

The only “conversion” I want to see Trek do is from Darkness to Light. From action/adventure to science fiction adventure.

From Kirk’s rash sort of derring-do to Kirk as tactician and seasoned captain. From Spock terribly violent to Spock, meditating and considered and logical, with a hella famous Spock neck pinch, a man as loving to his significant other, Uhura, as his own father was to his mother. From McCoy in the background to McCoy arguing morality with Kirk and Spock [and possibly Uhura]. From Uhura being perceived as “whiny girlfriend” to Uhura being perceived as valuable and vital away team member and ace Bridge officer. [She already is those two latter, it’s just the perception that’s lagging. From Uhura on the sidelines to Uhura in the center seat for a bit, say, when Sulu and Chekov accompany Kirk on an away mission?

And I’d like to see Carol Marcus play an important role as well, though I regret that she seems limited to Weapons specialist. I wish they’d made her a general Science Officer instead. Scotty had a fairly significant part of STiD, but of course he should be given some good things to do, and do them in a place that looks more like the Engineering we remember from TOS or the later iterations of Trek. PLEASE NO BREWERY and no giant hangars with super long staircases ….

Haha and while I’m on my wish list items, I’d like enough money to use for my co-pays. OOPS WRONG LIST

410. Marja - March 16, 2014

Y’know, I’d also like to learn more about “Science Officer 0718/Gatt 5000″ could they at least give the guy a name, name? And is he a Cyborg? And how did he get into Starfleet, and what are his abilities?

411. Cygnus-X1 - March 16, 2014

397. Keachick – March 15, 2014

Civilized, you say? Well, I say if good men like Jim Kirk hadn’t known the proper thing to do with their balls and firm attachment, we would not have a civilization in order to be civilized…:)

Well, whether you technically qualify as obsessed or just extremely enthusiastic, if you want to have a firm grip on Chris Pine and what makes him tick, knowing details like his favorite color would seem to go hand-in-glove with your desire.

412. Cygnus-X1 - March 16, 2014

399. Jack – March 15, 2014

Wasn’t the original BSG Mormon influenced?

Slightly. Glen Larson is Mormon and the planet “Kobol” is derived from the planet Kolob in the Mormon religion, but that’s about it. The “Twelve Tribes” part comes from the Twelve Tribes of Israel.

So what’s going on with all the Joseph Smith connections (okay, 2), Bob? Ender’s and now these guys? Did Twilight make the studios decide that Mormons make them money?

Mormonism does seem to be on the ascent lately. They have missionaries that go around the country trying to convert people. And the Mormon Church has actually recently acquired about 2% of the entire landmass of the State of FL. What they’re planning to do with it is anybody’s guess. I’d expect at least part of it to be used as a landing area for the spaceships arriving from Kolob.

413. Ahmed - March 16, 2014

409. Cygnus-X1 – March 16, 2014

“399. Jack – March 15, 2014

Wasn’t the original BSG Mormon influenced?

Slightly. Glen Larson is Mormon and the planet “Kobol” is derived from the planet Kolob in the Mormon religion, but that’s about it. The “Twelve Tribes” part comes from the Twelve Tribes of Israel.”

Actually it was more than just that. Check this article:

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Observations on the correlation between Battlestar Galactica and the LDS Church.

https://home.comcast.net/~billotto/Mormon_N_BSG.html

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“What they’re planning to do with it is anybody’s guess. I’d expect at least part of it to be used as a landing area for the spaceships arriving from Kolob.”

All Of This Has Happened Before And Will Happen Again :)

414. Ahmed - March 16, 2014

@ 406. Marja – March 16, 2014

“I have no objection to spiritual beliefs; “the Force” from Star Wars strikes me as such, and the Vulcan beliefs sometimes seem spiritual too. I just don’t want a specific religious message, and I would think Mr Payne knows enough about scripts by now not to turn off legions of Trek fans with such. ”

We will have to wait & see. But I’m not encouraged when I read stuff like

“I’ll read my scriptures in the morning before starting my writing for the day to kind of get in the flow of inspiration.” or “I’m on this earth to get done what the Lord wants me to get done. And some of that is in the personal ministering I do with my Church callings, and some of that is in my life’s calling, being a screenwriter and a Latter-day Saint artist.”

It sounds a lot like a guy on a mission or something. Well, guess we will find out when the movie come out sometime in 2016!

415. Vultan - March 16, 2014

If anyone thinks a mainstream (non-Mel Gibson produced) summer movie like Trek will be turned into a religious message movie, they don’t understand Hollywood very well. This is the town that does a collective double take when someone thanks God before their agent at the Oscars.

416. Anthony Thompson - March 16, 2014

Well folks, we are now only TWO years away from the release of the spectacular 50th anniversary Trek film!!!! Not.

417. Disinvited - March 16, 2014

#375. Vultan – March 15, 2014,384. Marja – March 15, 2014,412. Cygnus-X1 – March 16, 2014 , 413. Ahmed – March 16, 2014

Silly me, here I thought it was derived from the priesthood of programmers and their COmmon Business Oriented Language.

418. Buzz Cagney - March 16, 2014

So we aren’t hoping for another Enterprise goes in search of God movie then? A shame, the last one was brilliant. :)

419. Keachick - March 16, 2014

The only reason that Ahmed is concerned is because JD Payne is being open and honest about who he is and what inspires and guides him. Personally, I congratulate Payne.

JD Payne and Patrick McKay are working on the script with the K/O writing team. Before any Trek movie can be made, the story outline/script must receive approval from franchise owner, Paramount. I am fairly certain that the writers know what constitutes acceptability for their employer, Paramount. A heirarchy is operating here, albeit, quite likely, a rather loose, fluid one, but one here all the same. If Paramount suspects that the story is a way for a member of the LDS Church to evangelize and be obviously provocative, it will get thrown out.

Let’s be sensible here.

420. Keachick - March 16, 2014

#411 – Calling all Pine Nuts who may know what Chris Pine’s favourite colour is. Cygnus-X1 appears to have a burning desire to know.

Personally, I suspect that CP’s colour preferences could be in the grey, brown or blue range but that is only because he looks good and seems most comfortable wearing clothes in any of those colour ranges.

I was referring to Jim Kirk’s “favourite appendages”, Cygnus-X1…:)

421. Keachick - March 16, 2014

NZ time 10.42am 17 March 2014
Chris Pine is in the Ashburton District Court as I write this. Hopefully, I/we will know the outcome shortly.

@Chris – wishing you the best. I can’t be angry with you for too long. Have a care and take care. Love, Rose (the Keachick).

422. Keachick - March 16, 2014

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/9836053/Hollywood-star-Chris-Pine-due-in-court

I do not know what the sentence is yet.

423. Keachick - March 16, 2014

Well, the sentence is in. He has been disqualified from holding a drivers licence and from driving for six months and asked to pay NZ$93 in reparations. Given that he would have been driving on an International Drivers Permit, it is possible that this disqualification may not just apply to NZ but to other countries as well, especially those within the Commonwealth, like Canada.

Apparently he was charged using the limit of 80mg/100ml and his blood-alcohol reading was 113mg – quite a lot over the 80mg limit. It was noted that he was not stopped for bad driving. It appeared that this was a case of a cop stopping someone at random to take a breath test. It has happened to me on occasion as well. Quite normal.

@Chris Pine – Honey – What were you thinking? I guess those four Vodkas had indeed impaired your good judgement. Please don’t become another Hollywood cliche. Obviously no one, including yourself, was really looking out for you that night. It is possible that the cop who pulled you up may well have saved your life. I suspect that you have heard this already.

I guess NZ unwittingly has become a place where you are receiving some Toughlove – perhaps not before time, given your rather care-less blasting of the “internet…just a place where people…” well, you know what you said. It could be that in amongst the “nonsense and b******t”, there may be people who do have something to express that is interesting, perhaps even important… You need to have a care and to take care.

I am here, as close as the IMDb private message board and have been for quite some time…I am/can be as scared as you…

@Matt Wright/Bob Orci – I hope that I am not just writing to myself here…:(

424. Cygnus-X1 - March 16, 2014

418. Buzz Cagney – March 16, 2014

So we aren’t hoping for another Enterprise goes in search of God movie then? A shame, the last one was brilliant. :)

Mhm…brilliant and terrible. ;-)

425. Cygnus-X1 - March 16, 2014

423. Keachick – March 16, 2014

It was noted that he was not stopped for bad driving. It appeared that this was a case of a cop stopping someone at random to take a breath test.

Man, that sucks.

@Matt Wright/Bob Orci – I hope that I am not just writing to myself here…:(

Are you kidding,? Bob Orci or anyone else associated with BR Trek isn’t going to let you anywhere near Chris Pine. So, you’ll just have to worship him from afar.

Maybe you’ll send Chris a care package filled with kiwi fruit that you’ve rubbed all over your body. But only you’ll know where they’ve been. To Chris Pine’s assistant who throws them into the rubbish bin, they’ll just appear regular kiwis.

426. Keachick - March 16, 2014

Thanks for that, Cygnus-X1. I doubt that Matt Wright or Bob Orci need you to presume what they might do, especially when it is none of your business!

427. Disinvited - March 16, 2014

#418. Buzz Cagney – March 16, 2014

Unclear, do you mean the one where Kirk achieves immortality/resurrection or the one where Shatner grabs for it by asking “What does God need with a taxi?”?

And yet, I don’t think any of us would have blinked if Q showed up in a yellow cab in any of his previous tales?

428. Disinvited - March 17, 2014

Well, I suppose there’s devastating and then there’s devastating:

”In court this morning, Pine’s lawyer argued a conviction would be “devastating” for Pine’s career, saying it would make it difficult for him to travel for work.” – 3 NEWS

429. Cygnus-X1 - March 17, 2014

426. Keachick – March 16, 2014

All in good fun. :-)

And why should you presume that I can’t get a message to your beloved?

Maybe I told him that there’s like this Kiwi chick who’s all concerned about his well-being, and he said, “Oh, cool. Hey, sorry, but I gotta go. I have…um…I got a thing, so….”

430. Cygnus-X1 - March 17, 2014

428. Disinvited – March 17, 2014

”In court this morning, Pine’s lawyer argued a conviction would be “devastating” for Pine’s career, saying it would make it difficult for him to travel for work.” – 3 NEWS

Well, on the bright side, now he’ll have to be driven around and he can drink all that he wants. Plus he can do other things while’s being driven around. Like read scripts and get handy with his supermodel girlfriend.

431. PaulB - March 17, 2014

#423 “I am here, as close as the IMDb private message board and have been for quite some time…I am/can be as scared as you…

@Matt Wright/Bob Orci – I hope that I am not just writing to myself here…:(”
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Gee, I take it back, Keachick. You aren’t obsessive at all. (Please note the sarcasm dripping from my words.)

I know, it’s none of our business, but since you keep posting your stuff openly here, you’re making it our business.

And as a fellow fan, I am concerned about the level of obsession you demonstrate while being in denial about your obsession. Fans’ lives (and actors, too) have been wrecked by such over-the-top, reality-ignoring obsessiveness.

Your last few comments do not come across as a concerned fan. They come across as someone trolling us, making fun of obsessed fans by being SO over-the-top.

If you want to write to Chris Pine, WRITE TO CHRIS PINE. But when you post it here, you are writing to the readers of this forum, which makes your obsessive comments fair game for Cygnus X-1 (who went too far with the snide kiwi comments) and me (who sees you as a sweet fan with a dangerous obsession).

432. Marja - March 17, 2014

412 Cygnus, Maybe it’ll be a greeting center for the Enterprise crew, y’know, when they park the ship under the Atlantic or the Gulf of Mexico and come ashore for leave.

417 Dis, I think you’re right. I remembered that shortly after I uploaded my comment :-p

Seems COBOL didn’t always enjoy an adjective-free existence, e.g., “frckin’ COBOL” …

433. Keachick - March 17, 2014

Well, there is “dangerous” and there is “dangerous”…

You are right. It is time I just shut the fuck up. I don’t need this shit.

434. Disinvited - March 17, 2014

#432. Marja – March 17, 2014

Which no doubt contributed to BSG’s: “Frack” as in “Frackin’ Lords of Kobol!”.

435. Phil - March 17, 2014

Never fear, Chris Pine, as long as Rob Ford is stumbling around drunk in front of city hall, your career is safe.

Relax, people, the courts saw this was a relatively low level offense. $79.00 fine, and a six month suspension of his driving permit is a slap on the wrist. To his credit, he didn’t go all Lohan on everyone, dropped a nice check at a local charity, and got the heck outta Dodge.

To bad he missed the little shamrock shake we had in LA today…

436. Keachick - March 17, 2014

Oops – my post got deleted. I guess only Hollywood actors and writers get to drop F-bombs…:)

Obsessed? Guilty as charged, well, sometimes, that is…

I don’t know if Chris Pine likes kiwifruit…yet another little bit trivia that I don’t have a clue about.

We could draw up a list – favourite colour? favourite fruit? favourite court appearance?

I am a little out-there, over-the-top and a bit p*ssed at this time and I’ve not had a drop of alcohol to drink since January.

At least CP can’t complain that being in NZ was not interesting or memorable. I just hope he enjoyed and appreciated the South Island scenery, because, for me, that’s where it’s really at!

Phil – I wore a lovely green St Patrick’s Day t-shirt yesterday (NZ time 17 March). It had symbols – translation I Love Potatoes – Fiddle de dee. I am of Irish descent (both mummy and daddy) and love potatoes…:)! One hell of a St Pat’s Day what with what’s happening with a favourite other ‘n’ all.

437. IDIC Lives! - March 17, 2014

Have no fear, Chris Pine’s security patrol can take care of Keachick. I just wish she’d let Kirk alone.

438. IDIC Lives! - March 17, 2014

#404 Marja, “It means may the Lord bless and keep ya.”

No, it does not.

Nimoy has explained that this is a mystical sign which the rabbi invokes during a ritual which communicates with The Female aspect of the Creator. However, people in the Temple were to close their eyes during this ritual and not watch. As a boy, Leonard peeked.

This is the Vulcan “Live long and prosper.”

Keachick’s current rants on “poor Chris” are exactly what she was doing to Kirk that I objected to. I had every right to object. She clings to something obsessive and way off track.

If Kirk is nesting with Carol and raising David instead of going on the 5 year mission, he’s be drunker than Pine ever dreamed of.

439. Marja - March 17, 2014

IDIC Lives,

If you care to, please read my comment and differentiate between the italics [not my words] and the un-italicized text I wrote in reply.

Or just ignore my posts.

440. Keachick - March 17, 2014

#438 – DUH!…Go away until you have learned to comprehend as well as a five year old. You are an idiot and not a very nice one at that.

There – I’ve said it…

441. Matthias - March 17, 2014

Trekcore did a fine job. Paramount / CBS did not.

442. Cygnus-X1 - March 18, 2014

431. PaulB – March 17, 2014

If you want to write to Chris Pine, WRITE TO CHRIS PINE. But when you post it here, you are writing to the readers of this forum, which makes your obsessive comments fair game for Cygnus X-1 (who went too far with the snide kiwi comments)

Huh? I’m not sure what you mean, but I think you got me wrong. I wasn’t being snide to Keachick or about Kiwis. I love Kiwis!

Keachick seems like a sweet gal, but as you’re suggesting, her expectations are a bit unrealistic. It’s all in good fun as far as I’m concerned. Sorry if it doesn’t come across that way. She does seem a bit obsessed but harmlessly so (PROBABLY). ;-)

443. Keachick - March 18, 2014

#425 – “Maybe you’ll send Chris a care package filled with kiwi fruit that you’ve rubbed all over your body. But only you’ll know where they’ve been. To Chris Pine’s assistant who throws them into the rubbish bin, they’ll just appear regular kiwis.”

Cygnus – When I read that, I thought “Yuk – who does he think I am?”
It is not something I would ever consider doing, irrespective of whether such package would pass US Customs inspection or not. It was a bit off – not my style at all.

It’s OK though. I realize you were having me on because of the way I appear to be coming across to some of you. No harm done…

444. Cygnus-X1 - March 18, 2014

443. Keachick – March 18, 2014

It’s OK though. I realize you were having me on because of the way I appear to be coming across to some of you. No harm done…

Yes…I was not literally suggesting that you do that.

I was, as you say, taking the piss. ;-)

445. Ahmed - March 18, 2014

@Keachick

Why you didn’t try to be an extra in “Z for Zachariah” while it was shooting in NZ ?

When I heard that Alexander Siddig aka Dr. Bashir was coming to Cairo to shoot a Canadian movie back in summer of 2008, I asked around & got myself a spot as an extra & met the guy during the shooting. I’d a blast & got first hand experience of film making.

446. Keachick - March 18, 2014

The movie did not require extras. Z for Zachariah film only has three characters, although the house where the female character lives has been seen as a sort of fourth character.

I did read that initially they were to film near Queenstown but scouts managed to find the right house on Banks Peninsular so it was decided to film there.

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