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Errand of Mercy Screenshots [UPDATED with SFX Video] May 12, 2007

by Matt Wright , Filed under: TOS Remastered,TOS-R Screenshots/Video , trackback

SFX Video

(WMV)

Side by Side Video

 

 

New and Old

 


En route to Organia

Being fired upon

Klingon Battlecruser firing on the Enterprise

Firing back

The Klingon fires again

Firing a barage

Only debris left of the Klingon ship

In orbit of Organia

The Klingon fleet pummels the Enterprise

Phasing into pure energy (1)

Phasing into pure energy (2)

Phasing into pure energy (3)

Heading on to the next mission

 

Assorted

 


Kirk and Spock in Organian garb

The council

The Klingon army marches into town

Kor

Comments

1. Gd846c3 - May 12, 2007

I am impressed.

2. Anthony Pascale - May 12, 2007

well done matt

i think its great that those Klingon ships are now working their way into all these episodes

3. steve623 - May 12, 2007

i’ll second that – good work, matt

4. Commodore Z - May 12, 2007

Good work, CBS-Digital!

5. Cranston - May 12, 2007

I haven’t seen the ep yet (2 hrs to go), but I’m curious about the Organian transformation scene, particularly what they did with that flame. It’s kind of looking like the flame isn’t the same in the two shots — did they freeze frame, paint out the old flame, and then CG a new flame to go alongside the new effects?

6. Captain Spock Trek Modeler - May 12, 2007

You know, it’s not just the effects, but damn doesn’t the soundtrack sing as well. I’ve loved the reverb when Kor was announcing over the town speaker sys and the distant sound of thunder, like wash, after the explosion Kirk and Spock set.

Just gotta get these DVD’s. As long as there are more TAS like eps. EEEWWW .

7. Jim J - May 12, 2007

Good stuff for the short amount of time they had to fit it in. I really liked it this week.

8. Mark 2000 - May 12, 2007

Totally lame battle scenes. The openning battle never shows the two ships at the same time. Its like they spliced together shots from different shows together to make a scene. At one point the Enterprise is hit and the next shot the Klingon is turning towards the E. Shouldnt they have been facing them already? Too disjointed. CBS digital really is a hack operation in every way. I feel zero love for the material here. They’re just doing what’s expected of them.

9. Paul - May 12, 2007

I’m impressed as well – at least with battle scenes. Organians left me somewhat underwhelmed.

Come on, there was nothing bad with the look of “transformed” Organians… in fact they looked like they have some structure, like cells made of energy. Not unlike evolved human from B5 episode “The Deconstruction of Falling Stars” (which were inspired by Organians no doubt).
While those new transformed Organians just look like something from TNG.

10. RS - May 12, 2007

Those crazy cuts strike again! This time editing out extra battle footage such as the firing of photon torpedos as seen in the preview.

11. steve623 - May 12, 2007

i totally disagree about the Organians’ transformation. i thought it looked great, very much expanding upon the original shot.

“CBS digital really is a hack operation in every way.”

i haven’t been happy with several things they’ve done, but i think calling them a “hack operation in every way” is really over the top criticism. they haven’t been perfect and they’ve dropped the ball a few times, but the care and respect they’ve attempted to show and pay to the original show is so obvious, it just seems disingenuous to describe their work as “a hack operation in every way”.

12. SPOCKBOY - May 12, 2007

I was REALLY hoping that they would have digitally greenscreened in 40 or 50 more Klingons. When the Orgainian says that several hundred men have just appeared I pictured throngs of Klingons which would have given Kirk and Spock’s struggle against them a HUGE amount of scale instead of the 6 or 7 guys in the courtyard. People would have lined up in droves and done it for free(with their OWN costumes)just to be in the show.

Missed opportunity.

13. steve623 - May 12, 2007

I thought the same thing.

14. Mark 2000 - May 12, 2007

A few times? Get real, folks. Yes, some of what they do is impressive. But I’ve never, ever seen a show with this many problems. If you look at other trek shows do you see, pound for pound, this many errors? This many lapses in judgment? As a whole this project is a failure. The successes gave me so much hope, some of it I would gladly throw away the original for, but I wouldn’t own this as a dvd set nor would i sit through the series in this condition again.

15. The Lensman - May 12, 2007

Missed the very begining, but saw the fleet shot, and it was not that great looking. I mean they were just too close. And I think a real missed opportunity was the brief shot at the end, that could’ve shown us the Enterprise with the Federation fleet heading back. Everyone wanted to see the 23rd Century fleet, and if they felt the need to show us a few Klingon cruisers for a half a second or so, then they could’ve given us a look at the Federation Fleet as well.

I know this ep didn’t have much, but it seemed like back in the day, when eps didn’t have much, they’d try to sneak something cool in, like Normans new circuitry or such. Now it seems like in some of the lesser FX eps, they can’t even be bothered to give us anything but the same reuse of orbit shots instead of some new angles or something to make up for the lack of FX.

Now that they’ve done all of the biggest FX driven eps, it feels like they’ve peaked and are just coasting. I’d like to see them push the envelope a bit more. I really hope to see some incredible city shots in “Cloudminders” to offset the lack of space stuff. Look at the Special Ed. of Bespin to see what I’m talking about. Make the city bigger, add some windows etc.

Some of the stuff lately has been really mixed bag. They need to get some quality control guys to ensure consistent quality. I mean some of this wobbly stuff couldn’t have had the CBS guys going “Man, that looks cool!”

16. Selarrac Prime - May 13, 2007

I would have liked the Fleet. I mean, teh Enterprise is not the only ship in the Star Fleet and this was supposed to have been a full scale war. To which both sides knew it.

17. Jeffrey S. Nelson - May 13, 2007

Why isn’t the CGI as convincing as was done in “Jurassic Park”? Fer cryin’ out loud, we’re tallking about spaceships, not animals!! I wouldn’t buy these on dvds even if China quit putting melamine in pet food.

18. Jeffrey S. Nelson - May 13, 2007

Whoops, one too many “l’s” in “talking.” Must have been that last beer. But, the CGI project is a big disappointment.

19. Spirit - May 13, 2007

The first shot must be the very first one where the recreation is actually brighter than the original shot! So seems there is hope for these guys…

20. Toonloon - May 13, 2007

@ Spockboy

I too would llike to have seen more klingons added in this way. They already did it, in a small sense, for “The Menagerie”, but what I would like to see even more would be several Anthropoids shaking the Galileo 7 when it is trying to take off, CGI’d of course.

21. JB - May 13, 2007

#15 – Don’t forget “The Ulimate Computer”.

22. Danny - May 13, 2007

I can’t wait to see TOS(R) on British TV!!!

Wasn’t it well timed with ‘Blood will Tell’………….

23. Greg Stamper - May 13, 2007

#15. The Lensman – “a real missed opportunity was the brief shot at the end, that could’ve shown us the Enterprise with the Federation fleet heading back.”

That would have been a good shot showing us that the Federation had committed to All-Out-War thus increasing the “scope” of the story. In the limited FXs this would have been about the only place for us to see it.

Thanks for the Screenshots Matt. I always thought one of the really great still images of Captain James T. Kirk lay at the very end of this episode. Here’s it is with credits overlaid –
http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=52&pos=315

24. Demode - May 13, 2007

If they had added the Federation Fleet leaving at the end, all they would have had to do was show five ofrsix ‘Enterprises’ from behind. Pretty easy shot to do, and I could see them changing that in the future.

The Klingon fleet, from what I see here, looked fine. Sure they where close to each other, but it’s not like they where all in a straight line. How else are we going to see that many ships? I’m at a loss trying to think of why some people are not happy with that shot.

As for adding all those Klingons.. interesting idea, but I would worry that the new shots might look ‘tacked on’ when next to the old shots. Would have been a good way to show a few ‘bumpy’ Klingons, but I can live wirthout it.

25. Greg Stamper - May 13, 2007

Should have mentioned earlier – –

Happy Mother’s Day to All.

26. Ro-Dan - May 13, 2007

I thought aside from adding new effects, the purpose of this “Remastered” was to also fix audio flubs. Example: The missing chirp noise when Kirk flips open his communicator after excusing himself from the Organians. I would’ve thought for sure that the signature sound would’ve been added in, but not so.

It was cool to see the Klingon fleet but what does it add really? We already KNEW there was a fleet out there. It was stated in the dialogue. Basically we get a lot of time and energy put into a realized Klingon fleet but no thought put into a small continuity detail like a missing chirp sound. Kind of odd, in my view.

27. Teutonic Nights - May 13, 2007

I love what they have done with the episode (One of my favorites).
Showing the Klingon Fleet certainly was a great thing.
But I also think they should have shown the Federation Fleet at some point.

Somehow I think it’s because they would have been unwilling to show only Constitutions, but also afraid to include other, basically conjectural, ships (Although a Miranda with Constitution nacelles should be okay in most peoples’ opinions).
And while showing only D- Type TOS battlecruisers was okay for the Klingon fleet, having two fleets consisting of one type of ship each would have been somewhat underwhelming.
A mixed ship Fed fleet shot would certainly have been the high point of the remastered episode, still great stuff.

They know what we want, they are trying to push the envelope often, and they have the will to make it true to the original.
If only budget and time restrictions weren’t holding them back so often.
Please CBS add some effects for the DVD release. I bet there was quite some stuff that couldn’t be dfinished in time, but would have been great.

Damn, I probably have too high hopes for the DVDs…

28. jonboc - May 13, 2007

Just watched it. Very nice all the way around. I think the effects all look great. The one thing I wish they would have done is add more brightness to the effect of the transforming Organians. As it is, there just isn’t enough “light” eminating from the effect to warrant the reactions of Kirk and Kor. They look like they are watching a nuclear detonation but the effect is just pretty swirly purple things. Other than that, everything else was indeed, “glorious”.

29. Ro-Dan - May 13, 2007

27. Damn, I probably have too high hopes for the DVDs…

Speaking of the DVDs. I read somewhere (this site, I believe) that the remastered DVDs will be available in HD/Standard DVD flip-disc format. Anyone care to speculate about pricing? I suspect they’ll retail at around $120-$150 per season.

30. THEETrekMaster - May 13, 2007

Ok…I like some of the ideas here BUT:

1.) Building CGI starships and animating for a two minute (at most) shot — although creating a fanboy orgasm — would cost WAY too much money and for what? A blink and you miss it FX shot?

Not practical. Sure, I would have loved to have seen it too…but please.

2.) Klingon troops. Yes, would have been nice to have seen more of those Klingons on Organia — but again — you have to make costumes, setup the shots…spend time and money on filming them.

Not practical. Keep in mind not only are these remasters low budget, but they also have a VERY limited window (currently) for completing these new shots.

This isn’t Jurassic Park — both in terms of budget and turnaround time.

Keepin’ it real.
TTM

31. THEETrekMaster - May 13, 2007

LIked the new “Pure Energy” effect! Nicely done.

Did NOT care for the shots of the Klingon weapons hitting the Enterprise shields…not good.

TTM

32. Jim J (get a life, will ya-people?) - May 13, 2007

You know what gets me? People who sit there and call people hacks because they don’t like their creative decisions. Most of their decisions are based on the mandate that they are to stay within what the original effects intentions were.

Here’s an example: my wife got chewed out by some guy who thinks he’s a big shot (because he works at a bank) and is an elder in our church. He took the time from HIS job to call my wife at her job to notify her that the paper she is editor for is basically a “hack operation” and a pile of crap.

His basis? Hmmm…maybe because she decided not to put in an article he gave her that was all about him bragging about himself?? Hmmmm…now her paper is trash because he disagreed with her decision. Then he scrambled to find other little things to try to support his decision to rip her a new one.

Their attitude is: Ta hell with people!!!! If they get paid, they oughta do their jobs and get ripped by us since they don’t have feelings anyway. Heck, if they are in charge, they aren’t even human, right?

The human race is in the mess it is because of people like that. I see it on this message board all the time. Now, I just got forced to stoop that low, myself. PATHETIC! The Organians were right!

33. Jim J (get a life, will ya-people?) - May 13, 2007

Oh, I forgot….did anyone notice that in the original effects, the nacelle caps look all wrong? YEAH, THAT’S WHAT i THOUGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

34. Kyle Nin - May 13, 2007

I think some people are being a little too picky. I thought the new FX were way better than the original, especially the Organian transformation scene. I’m not sure what people expect. CBS Digital is trying to replace the original scenes, in the amount of TIME that the original scenes take place. I suppose if they expanded the time to allow for something more dramatic, that would be fine, but I don’t think they’re going to do that.

#14:

The scenes and FX on the other Trek shows were all filmed before the show was aired. This is different. For this, the new FX are REPLACING the old FX, in the time given. So your comparison doesn’t apply.

35. Lord Garth Formerly of Izar - May 13, 2007

Thought everything looked beautiful, would have liked to seen a shot of the Federation fleet. I too was puzzled why we didn’t see the entire fleet leaving with the enterprise at the end. Missed oportunity but on whole an excellent episode with nice remastering.

36. trekgirl - May 13, 2007

THE KLINGON SHIPS LOOKED LIKE CRAP…A BARELY ACCEPTABLE EPISODE, 2 OUT OF 5 STARS.

37. Lukas Kendall - May 13, 2007

Want some real trivia? That is film composer Basil Poledouris (Conan the Barbarian, RoboCop) as a Klingon in the next-to-last photo (the six Klingons marching), he is one of the ones in back, fourth from left. No kidding.

38. Kevin - May 13, 2007

Overall I liked it. This episode was in my top 5 already. We all seem to agree that Kor was a great adversary for Kirk. The Organian transformation looked terrific and gave more of a sence of being so bright that everyone had to shield their eyes. The Klingon fleet was a nice touch, but I agree that I would have liked to see a Federation fleet. We’ve seen plenty of 24th century fleets, but I’ve always wondered what a 23rd century fleet would look like. Of course, for myself I have to shake my head every time I see a phaser beam that is not fixed. Overall, I’d say for the work they did it looked good, as usual though, I often hope for more.

Some funny things I noticed last night: The orders Kor holds in hand to be posted around are in English. That of course makes no sense since neither the Klingons or Organians would use English. When they throw Kirk into the dungeon, you can see the mat that Shatner falls onto to break his fall.

39. Stanky McFibberich - May 13, 2007

I thought it was well done. Nothing I could complain about here.

40. Christopher Seeley - May 13, 2007

It was very well done. There have been some misses however overall they have done a fantastic job! Keep up the good work CBS-D!

41. mrregular - May 13, 2007

Great job overall.
The initial combat with the Klingon ship knocked me out of my socks! I hadn’t seen that in a while. The new special effects amped it up.
There’s one elment of the show that puzzled me. The “barking dog” heard when Kirk and Spock are sneaking up on Kor’s headquarters at the dead of night..hmmm, didn’t know there were Organian dogs.
Wished that a whole fleet of ships were around for the Big E to join at the end, but at least we got more Klingon ships!
And Kor’s more than a match presence for Kirk is very refreshing! They should have pit Kor up against KIrk a second time..that would have been a great episode/movie.
Keep up the good work CBS-D!

42. Mark 2000 - May 13, 2007

I’m tired of the “time and money” excuse. Time and money doesn’t effect the decision to make a ship wobble or to create a disjointed battle sequence. That’s a creative error that would have been equally easy to do correctly. Plus if you don’t have enough money to do something correctly hold off until you do. Don’t restore something this important in a half ass way. These guy are just bad at what they do. I think Okuda’s team all graduated from that art school where you have to draw the bear and the turtle to get in.

43. THEETrekMaster - May 13, 2007

Mark, that’s a pretty unfair comment about the Okudas….and a real cheapshot.

The Okudas are fans like you and I ….but even more have worked on Star Trek for years and years now.

I don’t think the work done on Remastered so far is “bad”. There are certainly things that could be done “better”…those shield effects were pretty terrible in my opinion. I wasn’t happy with the wobble either in TIY. But even that can’t be laid at the Okuda’s feet.

TTM

44. Kyle Nin - May 13, 2007

#42:

I think you misunderstood me. When I said “time”, I meant IN THE EPISODE. They have to keep the LENGTH of all of the scenes the same, unless they changed the background music. That’s really the only way I can see them EXTENDING the FX scenes. But who’s gonna do THAT?

#36:

At least there were Klingon ships AT ALL. They didn’t even show them in the original version.

45. Al - May 13, 2007

#17 – Melamine? The Chinese are putting the plastic they make counter tops out of into our pet food? How low can they go!

Great to see the shield effect when the E is hit. A first?

46. Kyle Nin - May 13, 2007

I also liked that they showed the debris from the destroyed Klingon ship, like they did with the Orion ship in “Journey to Babel”.

47. Gd846c3 - May 13, 2007

The only suggestion I have for this before it is put on DVD is the addtition of the federation fleet in the last shot. Other than that it all looked fine to me. A signifigant improvement over the original.

——

#26:

The remastering team stated in the very beginning that they were not going to touch sound effects, though I think they should in some places.

48. Gd846c3 - May 13, 2007

# 46:

I too liked the debree from the klingon ship. I nice and much needed addition.

49. diabolik - May 13, 2007

It’s funny some people were expecting to see a Klingon-Federation faceoff, when the CBS crew was struggling to find a place to shoehorn in a two-second effects shot of the ships. If they had cut some actual bridge footage to put in more effects, more would have screamed in rage.

50. Jim J (get a life, will ya-people?) - May 13, 2007

#42-I’m holding my tongue.

Sickening!

51. Kev - May 13, 2007

I know it’s been said ad infinitum but what’s with the lack of light? Even if the ships are universally dim, what about the weapons? The felgercarbin’ explosions are muted down as well. Any good reason for this? Just don’t see why, other than asthetics– (sic)?

52. Now on GSN...The World Series of Fizzbin - May 13, 2007

No complaints here really…if anything, perhaps a shot of the Federation fleet, as previously suggested. But the episode itself is IMHO a strong one, and the effects only added to it.

Of course, the episode began halfway through the opening battle, so I went from a tire shop commercial to photon torpedoes flying everywhere in the space of three seconds. Stupid edits…*sigh* When is ITunes going to update again?

53. TOS Forever - May 13, 2007

CBS-D:

– Great job on the planet Organia! This is definitely one of your better planet f/x jobs.

– To the creative directors: Where’s the Federation fleet??

– Not too impressed with the Klingon fleet vs. Enterprise scenes.

Mixed feelings on this episode’s overall f/x direction…

54. TOS Forever - May 13, 2007

Btw, for a two second shot of the Federation fleet…

One Mississippi…
Two Mississippi…

That’s plenty of time for showing a few Constitution-class ships onscreen. (And, yes, I know: With such a limited selection of ships, we’d start hearing the moans about “where’s the Franz Joseph-inspired starship designs?”)

55. Dr. Cheis - May 13, 2007

I was disappointed when I saw they didn’t remake the munitions facility/dump explosion. It looked like they filmed a firecracker on a string blowing up with some brick walls in the foreground.

An angle of the building from up high seeing it explode would have eliminated the need to worry about the accuracy of a CG Kirk and Spock in the shot (if they would even had to have been visible at all) and would have shown what it actually looks like when Klingon weapons explode.

I’d much rather have seen that than people turn into glowy lights (not that it wasn’t cool).

I didn’t mind not seeing a Federation fleet either. The Enterprise, as the closest ship to the Organia would have escaped the Klingons, contacted the Fleet, and headed back, so it could have been fairly far ahead of the other ships.

I was most interested with the disruptor hits on the Enterprise. I think this is the first time we’ve seen remastered shots of the Enterprise shields absorbing a hit, so it was interesting to see how they chose to do it. No TNG era eggshell of course, but no visible shield impact at all; just the shape of the weapon spilling over the invisible shield barrier. Economically I guess that makes it easier, and it also keeps it in line with the style of TOS, but I wouldn’t have minded seeing a flicker from the impact. The rest of the shots, the Klingon ships firing, their fleet, etc (for the few seconds we see them) were quite satisfying.

Also it was nice to see those “proximity phasers” from “Balance of Terror” again. The more we see those things, the less it seems like “lol oops the script said phasers but we used torpedoes” and the more it seems like an actual intended tactical capability.

56. COMPASSIONATE GOD - May 13, 2007

53. TOS Forever – May 13, 2007
CBS-D: – Great job on the planet Organia! This is definitely one of your better planet f/x jobs.”

Agreed. Very realistic.

“- Not too impressed with the Klingon fleet vs. Enterprise scenes. ”

Yeah…choppy, and the 1st Klingon vessel moved in a rather odd manner which screamed “this is a bad effect.”

57. Driver - May 13, 2007

“The Day the Earth Stood Still” Star Trek style. Job well done CBS-D. Seems to me ST:XI will be the second re-imagining of Star Trek, the first being ST:TMP.

58. Ro-Dan - May 13, 2007

47 Wrote:
The remastering team stated in the very beginning that they were not going to touch sound effects, though I think they should in some places.

Thanks for the answer to my question, GD8463C.

59. Holo J - May 13, 2007

ok hands up who would like to see a Super Deluxe remastered TOS?

I know I would!!!

I am aware that CBS digital don’t always get it right and leave a lot of missed opportunities, but on the whole the remastered work is an improvement. I have really come to appreciate the original effects more through this project and through posters on this site. I know there was a lot of love put into those effects with the limited budget they had at the time. And because of that the original effects are held dear by a lot of us, but most of what CBS do is normally much better than the original effects because of the technology available to them today. I certainly don’t think the new effect look hand drawn by crayons :O) (lol) and on the whole I am normally pleased with what CBS have come up with.

This week I am really pleased that they have the Klingon fleet in when before it was never seen. But I like others really wish they would do more.
CBS Paramount must see there is a marketplace for people who would love to see more effects added to TOS. I do believe it can be done tastefully and in a style that upgrades the visuals of everything from hand phasers, display screens to set backgrounds etc..
There is just so much potential in this project beyond the original intent of just cleaning up the shots and recreating them. I mean the team have already moved passed that mission statement already. So why not take it a little further?

I mean let them do what they have to do for the TV syndication deadlines and even it they must…which it seems they must for the first HD DVD release but I sure hope they don’t stop what they are doing here. Yeah I know there are more important things in the world than doing this and I know this probably will not happen but I really hope that they do at least get the chance to iron out some of the things that haven’t worked so well…for example like the wobbly Enterprise last week.

I really like the ideas some of you guys have come up with for “Errand of Mercy”, like having a shot of more TOS style Klingon and a new explosion to replace the firecracker explosion shot. Also would have liked there to of been a least a quick shot of the Fed fleet and I like the idea about having some of the sounds tweaked now and again for all the episodes.

Its obvious to me from some of the comments on here there is a market for further enhancements, its just a case of whether the guys in charge listen. Perhaps if we asked CBS Paramount really nicely they’d say yes to the idea!? ;O)

Seriously though I am sure it would make Paramount loads more money in the long run.

60. Jovan - May 13, 2007

I think they already have touched the sound effects, merely correcting original episode errors in a few places.

I agree… seeing a Federation fleet would have been great. I think the reason for the battle’s choppiness was the syndication edits… I could be wrong, though. The shield hit didn’t really bother me. What did bother me was that they didn’t touch the hand phaser effects, even though they have to great effect in other episodes. Weird bit of continuity there…

61. Mark 2000 - May 13, 2007

#43, why is it unfair to lay blame at the Okudas? Where else do you lay it? I mean, effects are made and approved by people. If they are good then the people who made and approved them are to blame. And besides, I wasnt talking about Okuda, I was talking about his team, but if you want my opinion on him I think he’s worked way too long on the movies and modern shows to really get TOS and I think he’s the wrong man for the job. His calls on the design of the fesarius, the tholians, and Norman’s stomach IMHO don’t work with the TOS aesthetic. I also don’t like his star fields which look like their from voyager at best and for a Microsoft screen saver at worst. I liked my colorful orbs – I don’t think they were a mistake. Sorry, he’s a talented guy, but he’s not a right for TOS.

62. Jovan - May 13, 2007

Mark, give it up already.

On second thought, I think the shield hits could have used some light flare like the original shots.

63. THEETrekMaster - May 13, 2007

They added color to the starfields…it’s just not as “in your face” as it was originally. I guess, with regard to the Okudas….I understand the time and budget constraints they are under. And yes…those are the driving factors here as much as some fans don’t want to hear it.

Hopefully, they will be able to go back and enhance the episodes even more pre-DVD release.

I am with you guys…I’d like to see that fleet and quite a few other enhancements as well. I just don’t think CBS-D has the resources right now.

I just don’t think that’s the Okuda’s fault. I think someone like them — or maybe an Andy Probert or Rick Sternback are the perfect choices to helm this project. Having a fan who also has the talent for this is important in my opinion.

Trust me, if any of you think you are unhappy now…things could be MUCH worse.

Oh…and they are LISTENING…and making changes to accomodate the fans when they can. That’s something! They sure aren’t obligated to to that…and if anyone less than the Okuda’s were in there…or Dave Rossi…those guys…you might see a real hack job.

What they are doing right now is not perfect, but it’s not a hack job by any means.

64. THEETrekMaster - May 13, 2007

Excuse me…Rick SternBACH…

65. Granger - May 13, 2007

I thought the shield hits were effectively portrayed, and like an above poster I was delighted they again used the Big E’s proximity phasers. As for the complaint in #8 about the Klingon ship not being aimed at the Big E when it opened fire, to me the sequence made sense of Kirk’s line about magnetic pulses – their nature explaining how they could bend toward the ship and thus the attacker could maintain a different initial vector.

Aside from the awful staging and execution of the munitions dumps sequence, the fixing of which falls outside the usual range of the remastering, one of the oddest images in the episode for me was the fog being blown in around the right side of the hilltop fortress. I presume there was something anachronistic there the film crew opted to obscure with fog machines.

66. freakin' hate fanboys - May 13, 2007

I thought the work this week was solid. The new ship shots were GREAT. I liked how the Klingon ships had the slightly glossy/metallic look of the original models we saw in later episodes. Nice. The shot of the E in orbit around Organia, wow! The planet looked great and it wasn’t rotating too fast. Perfect.

As for the posters above disappointed by the lack of huge space battle scenes, CBS-D did a great job giving us a glimpse of a multi-ship confrontation without significantly RECUTTING the episode — which isn’t their mandate. What do you people want, to add a ten minute battle with hundreds of ships where one never existed in the original? I thought the shots they added fit in nicely and I liked the cutting of the first Klingon ship attack. The ship comes up from out of range, firing guided torpedoes that arc toward the E — nice!

I swear, I read some of these comments and I immediately imagine the writer’s parents giving them ice cream only to have them respond, “I wanted CHOCOLATE, stupid! And SPINKLES! And I want it NOW! NOW! NOW! NOW!!!!!!”

67. Mark Tedin - May 13, 2007

One place where they could have added the Fed fleet on the cheap was the shot near the end of the show with the Enterprise heading towards the camera (after all the action was over).

Two or three starships in formation, then breaking off into different directions, each back to their own mission. Would have been subtle enough to give the impression that there was a large assembly, but not taken the dramatic focus off the Enterprise in the shot.

68. Ron Jon - May 13, 2007

Showing a fleet of Fed ships at the very end would have looked like a continuity error if they didn’t show them earlier in the episode. Uninitiated viewers would start blaming it on syndication cuts!

69. Captain Pike - May 13, 2007

I was a little disappointed not to see the Federation fleet. Other ship designs are only “conjectural” until they appear on screen. Are the producers of ST:TOS R not currently in charge of what gets on screen?

I think the problem may be coming up with something new. In the last 40 years just about every combination of Constitution class parts has been put together by somebody somewhere for some fan or pro publication.

It’s a real shame Paramount has no incentive to mend fences with Franz Joseph’s estate. Many fans of my generation would weep if we saw the Enterprise along side a Saladin class Destroyer, a Ptolemy type Tug or GR forbid a Dreadnought. (Never mind that Dreadnought Entente was actually mentioned in the radio chatter in ST:TMP). Those dozen pages on starships in the Starfleet Technical Manual probably have more to do with inspiring fans, motivating clubs to form, and keeping Trek alive through the 70s than any other single source.

70. Captain Pike - May 13, 2007

Re: The Klingon Fleet
I loved seeing the Klingon fleet but I said to myself right away, Geez they are close! I would have bought that shot as a view screen image, but having the Enterprise in the foreground made it jarring. As Chekov would have said if he’d been on the bridge, “Close enough to smell them, Keptin!”

71. Skippy 2k - May 13, 2007

Is there something between Paramount and Jospeh? I haven’t seen the ep yet, really look forward to seeing the klingon fleet. I doubt we will see any other fed ship designs, only a few cases where they could. I don’t think they will (or that they really should) change the 4 in “Ultimate Computer” but maybe in the backround at some point.

Even though they weren’t seen in actual form the diagrams from the franz joseph ships were seen on the Ent’s screens in the movie/s. Of course the screens also showed the refit Ent as the original constitution so I guess it could go either way. :)

72. JohnnieMac - May 14, 2007

Mark2000, Re:14

The other Trek series were spending between $40,000-$100,000 per episode on VFX. Something tells me CBSD isn’t getting anywhere near that.

Companies can only do what they can with what they’re given. I have a couple friends in that business and that plus a week per episode? It’s amazing they can pull this much off!

73. Holo J - May 14, 2007

# 63. THEETrekMaster

100% agree with all you say.

I am glad they listen to the fans, I just hope they take onboard the feedback for further improvements before a DVD release.
One of the main problems this project has had is lack of time and money put into it.

I am sure if the current team was given more support from the money men this project would be all we could have hoped for. I am very pleased that Rossi and the Okuda’s have a big involvement on this. The project is in good hands and certainly isn’t a hack job by any means.

But I will be disappointed if whoever has the final say on this project decided to pass on the opportunity to further enhance this ground breaking series before its final release on DVD.
TOS definitely deserves more time going over some of the big stuff that’s been missed or things that haven’t worked.

74. Jim J (The Keeper-of crayons) - May 14, 2007

#73-I agree with all you say except for three/four words: “final release on dvd”. With Paramount and Star Trek, there’ll NEVER be a “final release on dvd”-LOL!

75. diabolik - May 14, 2007

Although I have been a TOS fan for years, way before the other series, it’s still jarring to see the old fashioned Klingons, looking like greasy humans, rather than the type we have become accustomed to in the years since. They seem more real to me as Klingons now, than the TOS kind. I’m not one of those that feel TOS Klingons are all there are to that race, and hate the new interpratation, which Gene himself endorsed and created in ST:TMP.

76. CmdrR. - May 14, 2007

Wow!
Nice to see the Klingon fleet. Kinda wish we saw both fleets at the end, but I guess I’m being greedy.
In an earlier thread, I ‘guessed’ that the Klingon firing on the E would be at the end, but I got that one wrong-o. Ah well. Moving on…
I will say that remastering is wonderful for other things. After 40 years of seeing this episode (and I probably haven’t watched it in 20…) I finally noticed the goats. Am I the only one who never noticed before that there’s a green and a blue goat? And speaking of being oblivious… why does no one notice or wonder that in this pre-industrial civilization, they have automatic doors? Is that a tip to the audience that things are not all as they seem?
Oh… and Spockboy… I’m hoping you’ll do “Patterns of Force” as a Hogan’s Heroes pardody, since that was always what I thought of when I watched as a kid.
Now, I’ll shaddup.

77. Holo J - May 14, 2007

# 74. J Jim

yeah I guess you are right there ;O)

Maybe they will of got it right by the time the Collectors, collector, Special Edition, Super Deluxe remastered HD DVD comes out…
Or you’d hope so by then wouldn’t you? ;O)

I mean maybe CBS Paramount would feel they had milked out of us enough of our money from TOS by then….
Surely then they would have the budget to do all they say they can’t afford do this time around?

78. David - May 14, 2007

#52:

That sounds like a problem at your local affiliate. For me, the episode started with Kirk and Spock reviewing the coded orders. Uhura then reports the declaration of war transmission, then the first battle with the Klingon ship appears. At least, I’m pretty sure that was the order, but regardless it didn’t start right in the middle of the battle for me.

79. Lao3D - May 14, 2007

Pretty serviceable treatment this week, I thought. As others have pointed out, the Organian transformation scene was especially good — made them seem much more “all-powerful.” I wasn’t in love with the giant blue space egg-deflector hit in the opening battle, but it wasn’t too distracting. And the addition of the Klingon ships, however fleeting, really did add to the sense of urgency and tension.

80. trekgirl - May 14, 2007

See the reason many of these remastered Treks dont come off is because they dont put the money, time or talent in some cases, into the shows .
They need to do this whole thing right, these poor lasses and lads who are trying to make new fx for star trek on a shoe string budget from cbs/cgi are suffering just what the original shows suffered from..lack of a proper buget…and time to do it right!

81. G'Thul - May 14, 2007

An example of one of the perils undertaken in re-mastering Stark Trek can be seen in the final shot of Kor in this epsidoe. In order to dissolve from Kor’s final line “It would have been glorious…” to the new CGI shot of the Enterprise, it was necessary to remove all of the frames of the original dissolve and thus begin the new dissolve noticably earlier than in the original. How long an editor allows the shot of Kor to “hang” prior to the dissolve is a significant artistic choice since the line basically caps the episode’s theme that the instinct for war is primitive. The new version diminishes that moment. I don’t know how the folks at CBS could get around this. It is a subtle change…like removing a couple of notes from a symphony.

82. Doug L. - May 14, 2007

I still haven’t seen this ep yet, but to comment on the DVD releases and the time constraints… It makes no sense to me that their should even BE a time constraint.

If this is all about the 40th anniversary?… well that was last year. So where is this big time constraint coming from???

Personally, if CBS-D had chosen to do a handful of “choice” eps, and done them up right…, I mean reeeally enhancing the Hell out of em…, they could have released a dvd set based on that, and probably aired it to a much larger audience, as mini events in anticipation of the new movie… on the tube, rather than the super lame syndicated 2:35 a.m. time slot NYC gets.

If there is any shot at getting these enhanced eps, “RE-enhanced” for DVD release, I imagine it pretty much hinges on the success and look of the new movie.

Doug L.

83. Doug L. - May 14, 2007

re 82… i should say if Paramount had decided to do a handful of choice eps. CBS-D doesn’t make those calls. Doug L.

84. dm - May 14, 2007

81, no way they could get around it as they are working from the final, fully compoited episode prints and don’t have access to the original film elements. Nothing they could do.

85. LordEdzo - May 14, 2007

I must confess to some disappointment with the new space/ship VFX. A couple of times during the 1st and 2nd battles, the VFX didn’t seem in sync with the established sound effects, so it was somewhat “jarring.”

I’ll also admit that sometimes, the original VFX still work better. In the sneak attack during the teaser, for example, the lighting effects on the Bridge, plus with Shatner and Nimoy holding on for dear life with “pained” expressions, worked amazingly well when coupled with the old, grainy Enterprise model being violently struck by torpedoes with hard-core, resounding “THUMPs.”

In the RM version, however, the “pretty” new CGI Enterprise just doesn’t “fit” with the old torpedo-impact sound effects. It’s TOO well-done. The original storyboarding was more savage, primitive – just like the VFX themselves.

However, I’m thrilled to finally see a bunch of D7s on the screen, and the Organians’ new “dissolving” effect was terrific.

Thanks, guys!

86. diabolik - May 14, 2007

As to the sound being out of sych with the new ship action, it’s simple: the new shots were not simply replacing outdated effects, but creating other ships and action that was not there before. They just tried to shoehorn it in as best they could.

87. Marvin the Martian - May 14, 2007

Any word on when the video of the ep’s FX is going to go up? I didn’t see the show, so I’m curious to how the FX play, and the reel is usually posted by now.

No, I’m not pissy or demanding, just eager. :)

88. Jon - May 14, 2007

#81

Couldn’t agree more with ‘ya here…the original dissolve on Kor’s growing evil smile as he slowly spouts the word, “glorious” is pure artistic poetry that captures his character perfectly.

Being forced to shorten it for the new Enterprise fly-by shot really diminishes the effect, but I guess there really wasn’t any way around it :( .

It’s really amazing how the loss of but a couple of scant seconds really effects this scene…

Jon

89. Greg Stamper - May 14, 2007

#81. G’Thul – is correct. This issue will come into play on numerous occasions during the series.

90. Jim J (get a life, will ya-people?) - May 14, 2007

#87-Not sure what the problem is this week. I saw it, but I’m still anxious for the video.

91. MichaelJohn - May 14, 2007

#66 I agree with you post and it was quite funny too!

PS: For those fans that are only here to criticize the TOS remastered project, give us all a break and post your negative comments somewhere else! If you are against this remastered project and don’t like the work of the CBS digital team is doing, then simply don’t watch them and stick to the originals. How hard is that?

But it’s obvious that many people love the attention their negative comments bring, so they come here every week ready to criticize each newly remastered episode. These types are full of self righteous indignation, and feel personally offended that the new effects are not up to their standards. Hmmm, maybe these fools believe the are the “Guardians of TOS” and they alone are the only true and loyal trek fans on this site! Sounds familiar doesn’t it?

Hey I’m all for constructive criticism and friendly debate. But the over the top malicious, mean spirited attacks on CBS Digitial are totally uncalled for!

If someone here was footing the bill for this project, then maybe you would have a right to be super critical and to to have your complaints taken seriously. But until you personally own the Trek franchise, stop acting like these people owe you something, or that they need to consult you personally before each remastered episode airs.

Get over yourselves!

Mike :o

92. Anthony Pascale - May 14, 2007

I agree that personal attacks on the CBSD team are uncalled for. I also agree that I see little point for those who are here solely to troll against the show

that being said, not all crtiques are from those who are ‘against the show’. Not everything they do is perfect, and this week is an example where in some places they fell short.

by the way, Rick Kelvington has finished a nice side by side and it is added above

93. Commodore Z - May 14, 2007

#91: Well said!

The CBS Digital team clearly cares about Star Trek. It would be a shame if they were driven away from this board because of self-important “fans” who only know how to bitch. This isn’t to say that we shouldn’t critique. But some fans obviously derive their pleasure out of hearing themselves complain, and I wouldn’t blame CBS-Digital for not taking those types seriously.

94. Mark 2000 - May 15, 2007

Hey, MichaelJohn, why don’t you take your intolerance of other people’s criticism to a Republican convention where is belongs.

Everyone should take a good look and the side by sides and at the rich tapestry of stars the original had. There’s clusters and swirls, like arms in a galaxy. The new one is just dots. Tiny, colorless dots. Bleh!

95. Commodore Z - May 15, 2007

#94: You’re absolutely right. The stars in TOS-R are tiny colorless dots. Except for the red stars. And the blue ones. And the big ones.

96. Jim J (The Keeper-of crayons) - May 15, 2007

#94-POLITICS? How juvenille!!! What a great response. Next thing you’ll do is say that your dad can beat up my dad. Read post #92 and calm down!

97. Mark 2000 - May 15, 2007

#96, if that’s your real name, you personally insult me in the review post. Stop calling that kettle black.

98. Jim J (fascinating) - May 15, 2007

You mean post #14? No, I did not personally insult you, I advised you how your messages were coming across to me. As a matte rof fact, I proceeded to agree with one of your points right after that, but apparently you missed that fact. I was serious, too, I did NOT like the “opening attack” scene as well overall. But, whatever…I guess I better get back to the war room, eh?

99. Jim J (logic?) - May 15, 2007

BTW-Apparently the things that you have said about the Okuda’s aren’t personal attacks? Hmm…I guess they really aren’t humans with feelings since they are in leadership positions.

100. name - May 15, 2007

I’m horribly turned off by their blatant overuse of lens flares

101. other name - May 15, 2007

name, I’m horribly turned off by your blatant overuse of adjectives, ooooh flaaaaaaame

102. diabolik - May 15, 2007

Dearest Brethern,

We who are the Brothers of the Trek are come together to fellowship in our common love of TOS. Let us lay aside our petty differences, and turn from our pride and desire for personal glorification, to bring glory and honor to that which we hold highest.

Amen.

103. Jim J (Michael Okuda wannabe) - May 15, 2007

102-Uh oh…someone’s gonna call you a religious right wing fanatic. Not me, I agree.

104. MichaelJohn - May 15, 2007

#94 Well Mark, it’s obvious you have recieved the attention here you so obviously crave. I’m happy for you!

Please continue to post your meaningless insults, rants, criticisms and personal attacks. They are welcome and highly appreciated here at trekmovie.com. Thank you!

Mike :o (AKA Sammy Sarcasm)

105. Demode - May 16, 2007

I don’t know what some of you guys are getting all worked up over, in regards to the updated effects. In twenty years or less, I guarantee we will be seeing a new version of “Star Trek: Remastered”. This is something that is going to go on and on forever. If you don’t like what you are seeing now, just wait till they do it again in the future. And if you are just not a fan of remastered projects like this, just remember that you always have the originals on DVD on TV that you can still watch.

Personally, I like the Remastered project. There have been a few times where I didn’t like the new effects, but overall, I have been very happy with the changes that I have seen. The classic Enterprise has never looked better in my eyes. This project has injected new life into classic Trek.

106. Laserlover2254 - May 20, 2007

I’m tired of how the only new ships that we get to see are so hard to make out.

EoM didn’t have more than several D-6/D-7 class vessels.

That’s how I think it was squandsered.

It’s kind of fine when they’re on a budget.

But this isn’t the 60s (or TNG 80s) anymore.

107. Kyle Nin - May 25, 2007

Is there ever going to be an SFX video for this episode?

108. Matt Wright - May 27, 2007

FX video is now up, the higher quality WMV version is working now and the YouTube version will be available shortly.

109. Kyle Nin - May 31, 2007

#108:

Thanks. For a few weeks there, I thought that it was forgotten. Usually it’s shown when the screenshots are shown.

110. John Doe - June 27, 2007

zoom zoom zoom zoom!!!!!! This battle looks great! CBS digital is the best CG I’ve ever seen! This remastered battle easily looks better than TWOK IMO

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