Behr on Voyager, Trek XI & Future of 4400

Deep Space Nine executive producer and showrunner Ira Steven Behr has been spending the last few years running the time travel related show The 4400 on USA. TrekMovie.com attended a press round table discussing the premiere of season 4 and the subject of Star Trek came up. Behr was asked if he had a view about J.J. Abrams taking over Trek and the return to Kirk and Spock. At first said that he didn’t have any strong feelings, but then went on to talk about the franchise, saying…


For one bright shining moment I thought there was a Camelot. For Deep Space Nine they let us really mess around with the formula quite a bit and maybe that was bad or good I don’t know. …I still remember the day (and I loved Michael Piller) but the craziest thing he ever said to me is when he came into my office and said “listen Ira you are doing a great job on Deep Space Nine, but you just have to realize that Voyager is coming out and it is going to be the tentpole for the franchise and you will always be in the shadow of Voyager because that is the real Star Trek.”  But I can point to the moment when they put the Maquis into the Starfleet uniforms, that was the beginning of the retreat.

Since then it has always been trying to regain the past and that is the only thing I can say about the movie. It’s the safe thing, it could be a huge hit, it could be the greatest thing of all time, but the fact that they had to go backwards into the future…the Marshal McLuahan thing where ‘we march backwards into the future’ when he was talking about the media, well that is a perfect example of it by having to go back to Kirk and Spock. But I wish em luck because what ever is good for Star Trek will sell Deep Space Nine DVDs.

Regarding Abrams and his team (Lindelof, Orci, Kurtzman) Behr said he had no opinion, because he wasn’t familiar with any of their work. In fact Behr noted that he really doesn’t watch much current TV, even saying he had never seen Heroes – a show that is often compared to The 4400. He also noted that even though people often asked him about the similarities between Babylon 5 and DS9, he had only seen one B5 episode and that was because B5 actor Bill Mumy was a neighbor and showed it to him.  He did say he likes The Office, 30 Rock and Venture Brothers and the HBO dramas (Deadwood, Sopranos, & Rome. Regarding DS9’s position in the franchise Behr said he always bristled at comments that Deep Space Nine ‘wasn’t Star Trek’ or didn’t follow in Gene Roddenberry’s vision. He felt that Roddenberry was at first a creative person and that he would understand in the end the need for change and in Behr’s opinion the shows lost that, saying "The safer the franchise got, the weaker it got."

The 4400 has more Trek connections beyond Behr. The show was created by DS9 writer/producer René Echevarria. Last season saw a number of episodes written by DS9 writer/producer Robert Hewitt Wolfe. In addition Trek recurring actor Jeff Combs has become a recurring character on The 4400, and Behr says he will appear in about half the shows this upcoming season. Behr would like to have more actors from DS9 on the show, but noted that it isn’t as easy when you are shooting in Canada. However he said he is currently working on a deal to have an unnamed recurring actress from DS9 do a 3 episode arc at the end of the 4th season. [UPDATE: Behr has sent a follow up confirming they have signed Penny Johnson (DS9: Kasidy Yates)] Behr also promised more sci-fi elements with fewer ‘freak of the week’ type of episodes, including more scenes set in the future. He also let slip "we finally answer (or may answer) what it is all about" meaning the overall mythology regarding the saving of the future and the original abduction of the 4400.  Season 4 of The 4400 kicks off June 17.

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SHANE S.
May 30, 2007 5:18 pm

I felt that DS9 started slow but got better once it was no longer landlocked and had the Defiant, only got better from there amd the introductoion of Worf cemented its improvement, but I think many mainstream viewers who were non star trek fans were gone. I think Ds9’s rep will improve over the years on DVD, the same for Enterprise.

Fraser Link
May 30, 2007 5:34 pm

I think you can absolutely make a case for DS9 being the best of the lot over the past 40 years.

As Shane S. said, for the first two seasons, like most shows, there were growing pains, but from late-second season onward, it just ascended and it never stopped – right down to that last painful shot of Jake Sisko gazing out into the abyss at the series’ end.

Big Bill Cox
May 30, 2007 5:41 pm

I agree with the previous posts. DS9 really took off after the 3rd season when they got the Defiant, and once Worf was added to the cast and the conflict with the Dominion went into high gear the show became damn near perfect. It’s a shame that the show was overshadowed by Voyager (a much inferior show to be sure) and didn’t get the recognition it deserved. In seven seasons it produced not only some of the best Treks ever, but some of the best television I’ve ever watched, period.

Craig S.
May 30, 2007 5:42 pm
DS9 was my favorite among the Star Trek series. The characters and the cast were well developed and very entertaining to watch. My wife, who is not a fan of the Kirk era (or sci-fi in general), loved watching DS9 for the stories and the presence of strong female characters. We know own the entire DS9 DVD collection because of her enjoyment of the show. Star Trek grew in popularity not for the special effects, but for the stories it showcased. DS9 was a well written show and it did keep to the Star Trek “canon.” Sometimes wars need to be fought to save paradise (a reference to earth from the show). DS9 relates well with what the US is currently going through. Plus, out of all the captains from the show, Captain Sisko was the most human. I love the idea of improving the original series through CBS digital, however, I am not sure they need to re-invent the characters of the original series. What Star Trek needs is a brake from itself. It also needs to stay focused on the idea/ belief that humanity will eventually evolve into a better society than it is today. Paramount has gotten to the point that it needs to find a cash cow since it has not performed at the box office life it did in years past. I just hope they do not destroy or damage a franchise like Star Trek. I concur with some of the actors from the show… Read more »
JLC
May 30, 2007 6:03 pm

DS9 was never slow. It started strong and just kept getting better. It never needed 2 seasons to define it self unlike TNG or VOY..

May 30, 2007 6:22 pm

Push aside the fact that the war in DS9 was boring and trite, its major downfall , IMHO, was the fact that every character needed to hook up with every other character. Someone like Odo who was a perfect rock of a character was so sickening to watch in love – more so than even Scotty. When I watch the romance on DS9 I feel like its written by 14 year olds – or at least for them.

May 30, 2007 6:23 pm

Eh.

Sean-1701
May 30, 2007 6:24 pm

Deep Space Nine was a good show, but always will be my least favorite of the Trek series. It had a great start, with Trek-like episodes such as “Move Along Home,” “Second Skin,” “Paradise,” etc. but got bogged down in the Dominion War too heavily by Season 5. It still had its moments, but the whole Section 31 garbage (handled much better, thankfully, in Enterprise) was antithetical to the optimistic future, IMO and many episodes were just…not very Trek at all. No exploration, sci-fi, aliens of the week, etc.

I’d agree with Piller that Voyager was the tentpole of the franchise. It’s my favorite (followed very closely by Enterprise and then TOS!) and had the most creative sci-fi plots, optimism, exploration, time travel and everything, I feel, that made Trek great. Enterprise had awesome continuity and TOS is just a timeless classic.

To summarize:
Voyager = A+; Enterprise = A+; TOS = A+; TNG=B; DS9=C+

Still, all Trek is better than 100% of the currently running non-animated shows on network first-run primetime today.

Jared harris
May 30, 2007 6:38 pm

Deep Space Nine is my wifes favorite of all treks. My favorite being the oriniginal with the holy triumvirate of Kirk, Spock, and McCoy. I have to say Behr and company did a bang up job on the whole series from season 1 to 7, and I don’t think that any of the present day Star Treks can hold a candle to DS9 when you talk about character development and just good stories. I think Next Generation was often times to preachy, Voyager may as well been named Boyager because of the sexy chick in spandex, and Enterprise was the uptimiate safe gambit with a Sci-Fi vet as captian and producers that were wanting to walk over or step on any references to the original series. Berman and Braga should have lost their jobs a long time ago, and it just goes to show that studio execs don’t always have clue one what makes good TV ie DS9 or bad movies ie any next gen movie.

Darth Ballz
May 30, 2007 6:45 pm

What’s funny is that all this talk about Voyager shadowing DS9, it got better ratings than Voyager, also it was character drivin and the best of the lot and that includes the “original”. Each series has a bright spot but Beir was right in saying that the safer the weaker, Enterprise was bad unitl the 3rd season but it was to late!
With all the choices now it will be a hard sell for a movie and you won’t see a series for a long, long time!!!!

Darth “My DS9 is bigger” Ballz

Craig
May 30, 2007 6:59 pm

Is Paramount waiting to see if Trek XI is a hit before they think about trying a new TV series?

Kevin
May 30, 2007 7:36 pm

I loved DS9. Although a rocky start after the 2nd season (like most Trek after TOS) it ended up being a terrific show. The cast/crew had such wonderful chemistry. The stories were much more character driven and less anomaly of the week driven. To me it still felt like trek and I never really understood the too dark and too far removed from Roddenberry’s utopian vision of the future. Earth and the Federation were still the paradise and self-righteous people of morality we’ve all come to know and love. The difference was that it was more about exploring characters than the galaxy. To me that was great b/c it gave me a chance to be more than just entertained or made to think by Trek, but it gave me a chance to be moved by emotions.

In reference to the comment about UPN- yeah, it will always be my belief that UPN played a big part in killing Trek. Trek always has done better in syndication than any one network. It’s a good thing they didn’t decide to launch the network in the 70’s with Star Trek Phase II or we wouldn’t have the movies or wonderful shows that followed.

Kyle Nin
May 30, 2007 7:38 pm

I never felt that Voyager ever overshadowed anything.

May 30, 2007 7:42 pm

Personally I never liked Behr as much….he seemed so Anti Trek. in a interview he stated he hated Star Trek being too bright and hopeful. If the Movie goes that route he s going to hate it. As much as he was excellent in the realm of character it was the plot driven political stories that made me gag and were a clear rip off of that other space station show that will remain nameless..
I still believe each spin off had its share of problems but with each one they didn’t learn from the mistakes . With ENT it was the bottom of the barrel.
Each writer was writing stories in that style on each previous trek show they worked on. Until new writers and producers were brought in the shows improved in quality. It shouldn’t take 3-4 years to improve you show.
Its funny when people said Voyager was the beginning of the ratings bleed when it was really DS9. Worf was a ratings stunt because Paramount never liked the ratings for this show compared to its younger counterpart. Pure and simple.

May 30, 2007 8:05 pm
It seems people either really love DS9 or really hate it. And, from the comments on here, that feeling seems to be so for Voyager too. Here’s my two cents… DS9 was the most daring and innovative of the TNG-era shows (I am including ENT in this given that ENT evolved out of the set of TV series running since TNG’s 1987 debut). If you asked me 5 years ago, I’d say it was the best show. However, thanks in no small part to the availability of TOS on G4, TV Land and the remastered runnings, I have rediscovered the brilliance of TOS and see that it has indeed aged quite well. TNG hasn’t aged quite as well. Although I am an eternal optimist, I find that the utopia TNG strived to show was just a bit too sugary for me to believe, especially in the earlier seasons. I still very much enjoy TNG. It, more so that TOS the series, along with the TOS movies, is what hooked me on Trek. I still think that Seasons 3-6 of TNG will hold up against just about any other TV show. The bar is that high. That being said, I still think that TOS and DS9 set that bar even so much higher. ENT and VOY had flaws that just never could quite get them over the hump, in my opinion. I will disagree with some of the comments that DS9 was weak from the beginning. I think what DS9 and… Read more »
May 30, 2007 8:06 pm

#11: “What’s funny is that all this talk about Voyager shadowing DS9, it got better ratings than Voyager”

DS9 and “Voyager” got very similar ratings throughout the time that both series ran – DS9’s were somewhat higher in the two years before “Voyager” premiered, and “Voyager’s” ratings continued to decline in the two years after DS9 folded.

TNG was, of course, far more widely watched than either of them.

jonboc
May 30, 2007 8:14 pm

I liked Ds9 and I think it clearly had the best characters outside the original series..except when Worf was added. That stunt, along with the ridiculous romance with Dax almost made me bail. While I always enjoyed the other characters, I hated it when the show got bogged down by the politics of Bajor. And it really pissed me off that every week we heard about ships coming and going through the wormhole, but the main characters never went! The perfect chance to explore strange new worlds was never realized…how sad considering the opportunity was always there…right there beside the station.

Crusade2267
May 30, 2007 8:45 pm

I am probably in the minority here, but I actually liked Voyager better than DS9. At one point, DS9 and Voyager were on at the same time on different channels, and I watched Voyager, because I liked the “going to strange new worlds” kind of Star Trek. It wasn’t TOS or TNG, but it was still better than people give it credit for (and a hell of a lot better than Enterprise).

Besides, I thought Babylon 5 was far superior to DS9. It was more epic, more well crafted. Even if DS9 wasn’t copying B5 so much in the end, I definately think they were in the beginning. Season 1 of both shows plays out similarly. Political machinations on a space station whose name ends in a number. The Narn and the Centauri hate each other’s guts because the Centauri occupied Narn for a century. Substitute Narn for Bajoran.

stallion
May 30, 2007 9:00 pm

First if they ever did make a TV movie for DSN then they should ask Ira Steven Behr to helm the project. At first I didn’t like DSN until season four but after rewatching the first three season I change my opinion about it for the better. Despite DSN being a better show when it comes to planning a head and stuff like that Voyager was easier to watch. I think all the stuff that people complained about Voyager the writers didn’t make the same mistake with Enterprise. On Enterprise stuff that happened on one episode came back and haunted the crew. Also Voyager was the highest rated show for UPN and it launch the network so of course Voyager got more promotion then DSN.

MichaelJohn
May 30, 2007 9:18 pm

#16 Tony…I see you are a man of few words!

It’s interesting reading all the different opinions regarding the ST spin off series. I for one am a big DS9 fan, and I found it the most consistently enjoyable series, after TOS.

It’s good to read that even Enterprise is beginning to get a little credit, after so many years of negative reviews. LIke many others, I thought Enterprise had a very rocky start, but by the last two seasons it really did begin to improve. In many ways I preferred the last two seasons of Enterprise over any season of Voyager. (Sorry Voyager fans!)

After Star Trek XI is complete..I do hope they will produce another Trek television series… the show must go on!

Go Niners!

Mike :o

Gabriel Bell
May 30, 2007 9:45 pm

10th!

I’m an apologist. I love all Trek. And TrekMovie.com. Keep up the great work AP.

DS9 is probably my all-time favorite. And not just because Sisko saved my reputation on that fateful day (15-years-or-so from now) in the San Fran Sanctuary Districts.

Gabriel Bell
May 30, 2007 9:47 pm

Uh, make that 22nd and 23rd! (I left the browser window open for an hour before posting.)

Buckaroohawk
May 30, 2007 10:51 pm

After TOS, DS9 is far and away my favorite Trek series. I was captivated from the first episode and loved it from start to finish. I enjoyed its sharper edge, the bit of tarnish it brought to the “shiny, happy people” world that 24th Century Trek had become. Avery Brooks was such a powerful performer, and the interactions between the characters were richly textured.

And I dare you to find an episode of DS9 where Jake Sisko saved the space station. That alone should make the show tops on any Trek fan’s list.

Demode
May 30, 2007 11:51 pm

I really hope we don’t get any new TV shows for a while. I would rather they make movies every few years instead, and maybe a couple of DVD movies with the older tv show crews (DS9/ VOY/ DS9). If a new TV show is made, they risk having the movies make less money. Why go to the show when you can watch something on television? I always thought Voyage and DS9 hurt the TNG movies, s they where all on at the same time.

As for DS9, I feel that it was the best of the Star Trek series!

trektacular
May 31, 2007 1:03 am

I liked DS9 before it became a show about wars and shadow agencies. It was good the first two years when it was mainly about reconstructing Bajor and how a Starfleet crew reacts to being on an alien outpost.

Ben
May 31, 2007 1:12 am

He’s right of course. Trek XI is a safe bet that will make money. Hollywood doesn’t want to take risks which is why we ended up with tripe like Voyager and Enterprise.

Nobody is willing to try something different unless they know it’s going to be a success.

Doug L.
May 31, 2007 4:02 am

DS9 is probably my favorite, with TOS & TNG hanging a bare thread below in ranking. It’s the richest tapestry woven, with the most developed character arcs of all the series.

Every series has a ramp up period to find it’s feet… I feel season one was a bit silly much of the time. But 2 – 6 I think are all incredible. I love the Bajoran political stuff, I love the Dominion War.

My biggest let down was that season 7 lost a lot of steam. Got silly again. Death of Dax was poorly handled, and I thought the finale sucked.
Curious about what others think of season 7 and the finale’.

I think there was a chemistry with Behr, Wolfe and Ron Moore that seemed to work. I believe Wolfe left before season 7 and for me it showed, something was missing.

Doug L.

Lao3D
May 31, 2007 5:52 am

I enjoyed a lot of what DS9 did or attempted to do. My biggest issue with the show was Avery Brooks. His stilted line delivery and sometimes hammy performances make Shatner look postively restrained. Okay maybe that’s overstating it, but still…

Of course, I had serious issues with Bakula’s “aw shucks” speechifying and Mulgrew’s generally unpleasant demeanor, so maybe I’m just a post-Kirk/Picard Captain-hater. But on some levels I think that helped lead to the decline of series Trek — the lack of a truly charismatic central lead to carry the show. Which I think, in spite of their faults, Shatner and Stewart were.

Floydhead Max!
May 31, 2007 5:55 am

I always thought the writing was better on DS9 than most of the other spinoffs. It’s what made it one of my favorites.
FM!!

Jeff Jacobs
May 31, 2007 6:47 am

OK, I’ll throw my two strips of latinum in, too – I think that DS9 was the most complex of all Trek series, with characters (especially Sisko and O’Brien) that were more fully formed and real than most other characters in the other series. Avery Brooks is not only one of the best actors ever in Star Trek, but Sisko is a great captain.

As for Voyager, it was very uneven – sometimes producing great TV, other times laying a big egg. While somebody compared ENT to Nixon’s Presidency, I’d relate more closely to JFK – terminated prematurely. Manny Cotto had the series going in a really interesting direction, the Andorians and Tellarites were terrific, and I was looking forward to the connection to TOS. I also LOVED the NX-01, a very cool ship, and I hope that JJ Abrams and his guys use it for a design reference for ST-XI

hi there
May 31, 2007 7:22 am

Here are my series grades:

TOS A+, TNG A, VOY A-, ENT A-, and DS9 B+

bdrcarter
May 31, 2007 7:39 am

The DS9 team should take comfort in knowing that many of the fans consider the show the best of all the series. It was so bold for a Trek franchise (after Ira took over) and they created a rich tapestry of story and characters that still worked within the Roddenberry universe.

I hope the show finds its audience and respect over time…as TOS series did.

Lord Garth Formerly of Izar
May 31, 2007 8:33 am

I also live DS9 but Behr and it was more or less excellent all the way through. It had to be they were lifting superior storylines directly from B5 and putting their own spin on things. It might have been outright theft but what a brilliant thief Behr was. Not only was DS9 the only great spinnoff show but it was a great show in it’s own right. You can send your thank you notes to J Michael Straczynski. His claims that he never saw but one B5 epsiode is certainly funny.

cloudynow
May 31, 2007 8:37 am

TOS A+
DS9 A
TNG A-
VOY B
ENT C

CmdrR.
May 31, 2007 9:11 am

DS9 was a new and valid approach for Trek at the time. It hit bumps, but found its stride. Yes, there were some turkeys in the first season — notably, “Move Along Home.” The re-introduction of Worf was also a mixed bag. It’s as if his character forgot for a whole season that he wasn’t fresh out of the academy; he acted like he did in season one of TNG.
Having said all that, DS9 and Behr made excellent use of long story arcs intersected with shorter ones. And it was to everyone’s good fortune that DS9 and B5 were BOTH strong series with much overlap.
When things go wrong, critics quickly jump on the “They violated Roddenberry’s vision” bandwagon. Re-read Shatner’s views on Roddenberry in season three of TOS. Gene’s vision at that point was apparently merchandizing and bedding down chicks. The dream is good. The dreamers have to keep coming in fresh. It’s a wearing down process. I look forward to watching JJ’s turn at the helm.

CmdrR.
May 31, 2007 9:12 am

^ without much overlap

Dr. Image
May 31, 2007 9:16 am

#32 You got it!
DS9 was the best written, acted, and directed of ANY Trek series.
It already has respect- the type of critical respect that VOY or ENT will NEVER have.
#33- DS9 ripped off from B5?? HAAAHAA!! You’re funny.
#34- Hmm. Yes.

CmdrR.
May 31, 2007 9:19 am

oh… as to a DS9 movie to “resolve” the missing Sisko issue…
Some cliffhangers aren’t supposed to be resolved. Does anyone remember, or want to remember “Scarlett?” (Alexandra Ripley’s authorized sequel to Gone With the Wind.)

Lord Garth Formerly of Izar
May 31, 2007 10:54 am

CmdrR – can’t say I caught that one

Lord Edzo
May 31, 2007 10:59 am

Look, the facts speak for themselves:

DS9 alumni Behr + Echevarria + Wolfe = a hit show with “The 4400.”

DS9 alumnus Ron Moore = a hit show with “Battlestar Galactica.”

TNG/VGR/ENT alumnus Brannon Braga = flop with “Threshold.”

Paramount hired the wrong team to run “Enterprise.” Moore’s swift departure from “Voyager” was an unfortunate blow to Braga’s mediocre show. Paramount should have listened to Behr’s ideas for refreshing “Enterprise.”

Ira Steven Behr is one of the best producers ever to work on “Star Trek.” His noninvolvement with “Enterprise,” “Nemesis” and “Star Trek 11” is regrettable.

But “The 4400” still kicks ass. Can’t wait for Season 4.

Harry Ballz
May 31, 2007 11:41 am

All these grades being given, A, B+, D…sheesh! Feels like grade school all over again! Let’s hope Trek XI is A+++

CmdrR
May 31, 2007 11:47 am

42 – I’ll give them extra credit if Rosario Dawson as Uhura has a shower scene.

norm
May 31, 2007 12:21 pm

Finally it come out that DS9 is not Trek, & thats why I hated it!

Kev
May 31, 2007 12:57 pm

DS9 was well done, although I think it strayed from being Trek with the war and section 31 But I think B5 tackled many of DS9’s issues with more complexity. Especially political complexity. That said, DS9 did some great shows on how the UFP would respond to terrorism – the freedom/safety tradeoff- before that was a red meat issue. I never understood the Dominon War; was it about territory? That seemed very dated, and I never believed the Cardassians and the drug addled Jem h’dar could give Starfleet and the Klingons any trouble. And the finale must be the Generations for some Sisko fans. I enjoyed the show. Morn was great.

Oceanhopper
May 31, 2007 1:11 pm

TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT in that order of preference.

Almost every TOS feels like a classic to me.
TNG also has a very high batting average.
DS9, a lot of greats – but much of year 2 was dull dull dull. Middle years fantastic, slight drop in its last season.
VOY – year 1 very hit and miss. Year 2 even more so. Year 3 ghastly, Year 4 & 5 found an identity, year 6 lost its way – year 7 went off the rails.
ENT – struggled thru year 1. Year 2 dreadful. Year 3 at least trying, but only with year 4 did it reach a reasonable level of sustained quality.

Oceanhopper
May 31, 2007 1:47 pm

Oh, and just to comment on the *characters* (who are key to enjoying a series since you are kind of inviting them into your living room for an hour)

TOS I love em all.
TNG I love em all (except “the Boy…” )

DS9 Very complex characters and the better for it. Dax was a bit dull, but the rest made up for it.

VOY – I thought Janeway was great right off the starting line. Chakotay – had some great moments, but just criminally underused.
The EMH, what can I say…Give him a series!
Tuvok – Quality. Sheer quality. Did Leonard Nimoy proud.
Neeeeeelix. Urrrkkkk!!! (Not Ethan Phillips fault tho’)
Seven of nine – Yes, you’re a nice character but stop inflating your chest every time someone else tries to get in some screentime, it’s rude.

As for the rest:
Lt Torres, Mr Paris, Ensign Kim, would any of you like a character trait? Come on now, we have plenty here in this bag, just pick one! Let’s see: what’s this one say….., “Drinking problem”, Anyone? No? Er, this one… “Gay character”, any takers? You sure? Be assured of lots of publicity… No?
Ok, what else have we got… er, “sneezing fits”. Oh come on, you need to have *something*..

Kes – Yeuuchhh!

ENT made the mistake of pairing Scott Bakula – *perfect* casting by the way – with T’Pol,the first Trek “hero” character I actually wished would get killed off!

Harry Ballz
May 31, 2007 2:31 pm

#49 “Scott Bakula-*perfect* casting by the way”
Now, you see, that’s funny how we all have different opinions…I get the impression Bakula is a nice enough guy and all, but he didn’t seem right for the role of Archer. Somehow a starship captain should have more “grit”, or at least a bit of an “edge” to them. Scott Bakula comes across as the nice guy who lives next door who you could go for a round of golf and beer with; you can tell he acted his guts out on Enterprise, trying to offset, or at least compensate for, the fact he was missing that charismatic quality inherent in most effective leaders.

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