Kissing Goodbye To Shatner As Kirk? July 20, 2007
by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Humor, Shatner , trackbackIn the last week we have learned that William Shatner is probably not going to be in the next Star Trek movie and a week from now we may very well know who the next Kirk will be. Regardless sometime soon Kirk will be embodied by a new actor and Shatner will be a bit like Sean Connery to the Bond franchise (beloved, but not the ‘current’ star). So for our Friday Night Movie it feels appropriate to give our favorite captain one last big kiss.
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They found someone of some merit and obviously they could tell us. It would be to their advantage IF they did. Why all the secrecy? The sooner the better!
premature osculation if you ask me
Speaking of Robert April (#2), I watched an episode of “Have Gun Will Travel” called “The Hanging of Roy Carter” today and one of the characters was named Chaplain Robert April. The episode was written by - you guessed it - Gene Roddenberry…
Good to hear the Bee Gees.
Oh, and having anyone but Shatner play Kirk is stupid, stupid, stupid.
#3
That is pretty cool. Where was “Have Gun Will Travel” showing?
You know, whether back then…the 70’s, the 80’s, the 90’s, the 2000’s…THE SHAT is THE MAN!!!! He’s had some rough times, but man, I’d love to have been in his shoes throughout that video. Heck, even for the last 10-15 seconds of it, especially! He really did get his share for a 3 season show!
It’s gonna be tough to get used to a “different Kirk.”
Come, come, #4. Young minds, fresh ideas.
Can I say it for you, Stanky? “Aye, and if my grandmother had wheels, she’d be a wagon…”
it was the best or times it was the worst of times
oh boy….some people are getting too serious…it is just a funny vid love em and leave me Kirk
but I think the whole ‘we must have shat’ thing has been exhausted in the last couple of weeks and I think maybe some people have to start coming to grips with the inevitable. There will be a new Kirk very soon.
we can still love the Shat, just like you can love both Connery’s Bond and Craig’s Bond.
If they are going to replace the Shat as Kirk…maybe it is best to simply retire the character.
I mean, this is Star Trek…not Doctor WHO?
What is “Craig’s Bond?” Some sort of dental adhesive?
Sorry, I’ve not been into Bond since Brosnan. Sometimes changing actors does lose you fans. No disrespect to any other Bonds…but, enough is enough. Hey, that could be the title of the next Bond Film…
“00.007: Enough is Enough, Already!”
“Never Say Never Again.”
How about a “Bring Back Connery” thread?
:-)
And the new Bond movie could feature John de Lancie as Q.
oh boy…Jim really had a way with the ladies that vid is getting me hot….great video thanks Anthony
and some of you people seem to acting like you are just hearing about Kirk being recast. You have had a year to get to grips with this. Guys I hate to break it to you but Shatner *was* Kirk.
I would rather see a new Kirk and TOS live again than another TNG retread or spinoff.
If Shatner’s not in the movie, I can only hypothesize that he asked for too much money. Can’t believe it was the writers’ inability to come up with a valid but simple plot point to bring him back. Just gimme a simple line of dialogue such as, “Spock, you really pushed the envelope by using the slingshot effect to rescue me from that falling bridge!” or “Spock, good thing you were able to sneak through the Guardian of Forever and save my butt…you’ve…got a bad habit of saving your captains in violation of Starfleet.”
The conspiracy theorist in me wants to think that the Shat and JJ have planned all this out, and that Bill will appear at the very end of the movie.
The shot of Kirk putting his boot on was pretty suggestive and racy for the time…..
Here is a great trivia question! How many different actresses has Shatner kissed in his role as Kirk?
If Shatner’s not in it. Who cares about ST XI?
Is this going to go on for 500+ posts like last week?
We all new the classic characters were being re-booted.
It just would be nice to see the torch being passed with some sort of on-screen blessing, and allow Shatner to have a final bow, as it were, as opposed to the euthanasia that Berman Bragga & Moore performed on the character in ‘Generations’.
It wouldn’t be bad for box-office, either.
It wouldn’t have fit the style, but throughout that video I was hoping it would jump to McCoy’s “What IS IT with you?” at the end.
As for no Shat in XI, although I’d enjoy seeing him as much as anybody, I can also respect the notion that Generations, as flawed as it was, will not be undone for the sake of fan service. Kirk’s death scene has always seemed a little tongue-in-cheek because the door was always open (off-screen) to his resurrection being contrived at a later date. Knowing in hindsight that Kirk never did come back might give his death scene a little more weight upon review. And we’ll still have the Shatnerverse for those who like resurrections, cross-overs, and cameos galore.
I still don’t believe Shatner’s been totally excluded from the new movie. I’m inclined to agree with #16 that there may be something going on behind the scenes that we are not privy to. Abrams and company must know the fans want to see Shatner, so they are hopefully doing what they can to garner his involvement. We will learn soon enough what’s going on with this film, but I’m not holding out for any contrived explanations for an apparent resurrection. I suspect any Shatner appearance will have a certain amount of ambiguity around it so that each fan will be allowed to draw their own conclusions.
bAHHH!!! Bring back Shatner! This is sci-fi! If they can bring in Nimoy, they can bring back Shatner.
I don’t believe in the no-win scenario!
It’s not too late…hear me please!! Don’t give up the last chance to bring back Kirk and Shatner as Kirk. This is the last opportunity to right some terrible wrongs!! I am hanging on to hope.
There are always ….possibilities.
“I don’t believe in the no-win scenario!”
#23: That should be our catch phrase to bring back Kirk!
Shatner asked for to much money. The writers have claimed they want him in it, he says he wants in it, so why isn’t he.
Plain and simple folks. He asked for the much dollar
Young Kirk played by a different actor will be quite amusing, how much Shatner does he dare rip off without looking like a complete idiot?
*** ATTENTION ORBITALIC ***
Remember that nice little imaginary prologue to start off the Movie that you wrote a while back?
Well as promised to you and anyone else that’s vaguely interested, I’ve finally got round to putting up my own attempt at a speculative Movie intro showing some things that I would love to see in J.J.’s Movie, although it sounds like it will be a million miles away from what I get.
So for your delectation ( or evisceration! ), go back a few threads to the one titled “QUINTO RELISHES THE SPOCK RUMOURS”. It took a little while so I’ve had to do it over posts 36 to 42.
Looking forward to what “ComicCon” throws at us… ;)
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#11 Major Joe Ely Carrales, CAP
Seems like you might like a read of my little wished for TOS-era Movie intro too good sir. Looks like it’s a bit closer in tone than what we may end up with. See details in post #28. Enjoy.
yeh shat was great i admit that. He’s a role model and inspiration for us all. But as Star Trek: New Voyages has proven new people can play Kirk. James Cawley has certainly done a job of that over the last 4 years and he’s gotten better and better.
Shatner was the first and he’ll not be forgotten. Not in a long run but its certain that people can play this character other than Shatner.
Shatner is a legend. I admit and sometimes it brings a shed of doubt about it. But what any actor needs to do is not be shatner being kirk but be themselves being kirk.
Cawley has gotten to that point on NV where hes no longer “Cawley playing Shatner playing Kirk” but “Cawley playing Kirk”
Every actor brings something different to the characters in the same way that each of te actors who have played Bond or Superman or Batman.
Christopher Reeve made us believe a man could fly but Brandon Routh did a good job replacing him.
Connery is legendary and Moore and Brosnan came close and i have hope for Craig.
Batmans… im a fan of Keaton myself but then tehres West, Clooney, Kilmer and also Christian Bale
so whats the harm in it happening to the Enterprise crew… NV certainly do it well now.
There is still a lot of time before this movie’s release date. At the convention, and certainly on the talk-show circuit, Shatner has indicated his awareness of the fans’ hopes and desires, Abrams appears to be a smart guy;
So… we, the fans are playing into their hands with the speculation and pre-production buzz.
If Shatner doesn’t return as Kirk, it will only be due to negotiation break-down.
Greed and Ego will kill Kirk more effectively than falling from a bridge.
I still maintain that when Shatner remarked that there was no part for him, he implied that he was unhappy with what was there.
I usually just lurk and read this stuff, but here goes. All those years ago I was one of those wearing a “Bring Back Star Trek” button. What we are encountering here is a new cultural phenomenon. Over the years different genres have had their icons. Tarzan, Sherlock Holmes, Buck Rogers and so on. Thing is these were all characters brought to life on the 2 dimensional medium…paper. Books, comic strips etc. We imagined what the printed matter gave us in our minds eyes. So when different actors played the parts over the years it was simply a different take on the written page. Things are different whether you are talking Trek, Bewitched or Gilligan’s Island because the characters here were brought to life by actors not by our minds eye. Universally there will ever be only one Gilligan or Samantha or even Kirk. Closer your eyes and hear the phrase…”Hey little buddy” and what do you see? Or more appropriately WHO do you see? Funny thing is from my point of view is this tidbit that people are missing on…just a few years ago I was aching over Generations…bidding a farewell to my Trek heroes and listening to everyone tell me TOS is dead, TNG is the way now. The TOS actors are too old and the TOS universe is out dated. My question is…if those genius’s were so correct then, why is it now were are rebooting TOS???
#32-
This chap is indeed a genius. Here, here. Lurk no more.
Re 33: It’s “hear, hear” not “here, here” like you’re calling a dog!
Re 32: Bah. Many people never read the Bond novels before they saw Connery play him on the big screen. For them, Connery was THE embodiment of Bond. But nevertheless people adapted when others took on the role.
The whole “nobody can replace the original actors” bit is lame. Would that same concept hold true for a stage play or a musical? Nobody but Michael Crawford can play the Phantom in the musical Phantom of the Opera? Nobody can replace the original actor who played Hannibal Lector? Oops, that wasn’t Anthony Hopkins, it was Brian Cox in “Manhunter!”
See? People make the transition all the time.
Ask and artist to paint a scene with Tarzan in it and you could get anything possible, probably not even an actor’s face or likeness, but ask some one to paint a scene with Capt. Kirk and you will get Shatner’s likeness.
Well indeed anybody with money can try to replace or rather play the role. But a whole lot of the other reboots from the 60’s have crashed.
Fascinating though that #34 referred to 2D characters defend his P.O.V.
Obviously he’s entitled to his view and I want to respect that, but I still disagree specifically with most things created on the “tube” in the 60’s.
They tried to return to the Ponderosa without Lorne Greene, it flopped.
“Ask and artist to paint a scene with Tarzan in it and you could get anything possible, probably not even an actor’s face or likeness, but ask some one to paint a scene with Capt. Kirk and you will get Shatner’s likeness.”
Yeah. That’s just because nobody else has played Kirk…YET! Duh!
“Fascinating though that #34 referred to 2D characters defend his P.O.V.”
Please! You don’t know what a 2D character is, do you? And it’s not like Kirk’s the most compicated guy since Hamlet… (That would be Picard.)
#32-The same “geniuses” who’re just dumb enough to think they can pull a fast one this time around, I’m guessing.
Regarding this debate, there are plenty of those TNG Era segregationists who have underwent what I refer to as a “situational catharsis” regarding the relaunch of ST who, not even 2 years ago would’ve self-imploded over the thought of Trek returning to its roots, let alone debased themselves by embracing it. Now, it’s a different story. There’s no “TOS” or TNG, DS9, or VOY or ENT fan, there’s just Star Trek now. After all, we’re all just one, big happy Federation, aren’t we? Well, we ain’t, especially now.
I don’t remember all this “familial love” during the 80s & 90s. “TOS” was called “The Old Series,” “The Obsolete Series,” You name it. So, what I’m getting at, if equilibrium’s the natural state of things, and water seeks its own level, what’s makes them think, if “TOS” fans were excluded then, they should be INCLUDED now in this particular endeavor? They ain’t got anywhere else to go. Well, they ain’t wanted in the new regime either, and it’ll become apparent as time goes on, despite what they think among themselves, patting each other on the back and complimenting each other on their pointless arguments and suggestions on everything and nothing of particular import.
If they think for a moment that “TOS”-only fans are gonna allow them to muscle in our OUR turf, think again. Ain’t gonna happen, kiddies. You’re about as relevant in. They have no say whatsoever in anything, except in their own minds, and in knots of insulated, self-important cells of internet cliques and web-based watering holes that exist in a static warp bubble of their own imagined importance in the scheme of things. this [pun intended] new “enterprise” as a bucket of ice cubes in a blast furnace, and about as influential.
Let’s be consistent: If “TOS” was lame, outdated [FILL IN THE BLANK] then, by golly, then it still is. Nothing’s changed, and neither has their duplicity. If they love TNG-ENT so much, get lost and go split hairs and whittle what’s left of them down to the molecular level, and cease issuing edicts on anything regarding Star Trek’s future already, and leave it to the ones who never abandoned it AND, more importantly, to those in the future who’ll come to embrace it. There’ll be more than enough new fans to keep that scenario going for at least the next 25 years.
Believe it.
“Let’s be consistent: If “TOS” was lame, outdated [FILL IN THE BLANK] then, by golly, then it still is. Nothing’s changed”
Please, Shadow. First you say the new movie’s going to suck because it’s going to change everything around and not resemble TOS at all. Then you claim that if you thought TOS sucked then this new movie will suck too, because it’s still TOS.
Nonsense.
#34-
I’m aware of the proper usage. You missed the point, as usual, with all of the skill a blind man attempt to hit the side of a mountain with another one.
The only “dog” around here, here is that one barking up the wrong tree, and who should know better.
Re 39 –
Weak! But nice try. ;-)
#38-
You’re barking again…
Here, here! Oops…
#42-
That “dog” won’t hunt…
By 2D I was referring to being created on paper as opposed to 3D an actor, excuse the misdirection.
I recall a problem with Nimoy and Paramount using his likeness in a Heineken beer ad in the UK. Even though other people have played Spock, Nimoy is Spock. Many different Trek comics out there, if Shatner et al were not so important to the recognition of the characters then Paramount should not have trouble in substituting a set of faces to portray the same characters? They did so when the show came out and the Gold Key comics were licensed. Sure you can say it was all about the artist, but Paramount pulled the Leaf Photo card in ‘67 because they were badly done, still with the cast. Point here I’m trying to make is yeah you can recast another image…will it work? Well all I can say is I crossed my arms and shook my head when “Generations” came out and with stood the indignities. TNG got off one good film, the rest bombed. Think about it, when they gave the heave ho to Clayton Moore in the 70’s they legally banned him from wearing a mask in public, Ray Ban sunglasses came to his rescue with Ranger glasses. The movie made with an Italian actor who could not speak his lines in English bombed.
Another question is what’s gonna be in this guy’s (whoever) contract?
Who gets the money from Captain Kirk dolls. comics etc.? I bet you credits to Navy beans the doll will either be nondescript to avoid any payments or they will continue with Shatner’s image.
I thought we kissed Shatner goodbye as Kirk when he was killed in “Generations”?
After watching Shatner/Kirk sucking face in that video, ….. I think we may have found patient zero and the largest source of herpes.
Oh, please. Let’s not bicker and argue over who killed who.
In many ways, I’m glad that I am a sort of lone fan of Trek where I am. That way I don’t have to be told why I like what I like. I can just like it if it’s good to me. I listen to all the TNG bashers and all the TOS poo-pooers going at each other and it starts to sound like the Trek version of the Rush Limbaugh show. People keep spouting the same parroted ideas and nobody says anything fresh. Half of these threads degenerate into “no it isn’t”, “yes it is” garbage and nothing new is dicussed. In a mature manner at least. I say we should just strip this argument down to the bare ideas. Do any of you think that this new movie should be made or should live-action Trek die? Because that is the choice that we are dealing with here. Don’t go quoting lines like “there are always alternatives” and “I don’t believe in the no-win scenario”. Just straight-up, black and white. Yes or no.
And I mean no disrespect to the people on this site who do try to have intelligent, unheated discussions. I like all Star Trek. I think Josh brought up a good point about the failing of Enterprise on that comic book thread and I agreed with him. But unless you have a real reason to not like one of the shows, shut up. If you just don’t like it, quit trying to elevate yourselves over the people who do like it. We are all equals here, regardless of our social status, income, race, sex, or age. Quit with the elitism.
We are all Geeks.
It was reported early on that Shatner and Nimoy have authority over who is cast as Kirk and Spock. There is more to this story than we have been told. Hpoefully, all will be revealed soon.
mmmm
Theleysa-
Man, Diana Muldaur was hot !
(Roddenberry liked her so much he brought her back for the Earth II pilot)
But, as for Kirk being the macdaddy, can really we count the time when Kirk was Sargon?
(or when he has under the influence of some alien plant root or mind control?)
And what DID he do to Helen Noel that she was so angry with him, anyhow?
Helen NOEL… and he’d boffed her at a Christmas Party. Hah. Someone in the writer’s room had a sense of humor!
Come on, people, how would you cast Shatner as Kirk?
I’d accept him as an unseen narrator, but that’s it.
Shatner is a better actor than he was 40 years ago. But, he’s also an actor who is 60 pounds heavier with jowls the size of New Hampshire. The only Kirk that Shatner can believably play is that of a fat old windbag. Do you want that?
Nimoy can still play Spock because he’s not fat and doesn’t have state-sized jowls and because the last time we saw Spock he wasn’t getting any younger.
In other words, Nimoy as Spock is believable. Shatner as Kirk is not.
#49 and #50
I am still not seeing what people see in Diana Muldaur!! Hot? She’s not ugly by any means, but HOT?! I think not.
No doubt Shatner could do Kirk. He IS Kirk. I think he would be wise to steer clear of this thing, but if he does end up in it, he will be Kirk and the fake guy won’t be.
#49: Kirk only definitely got laid two times, and he wasn’t in control of it both times. Once under the control of Deela, the other with amnesia and with Miramanee.
Plus, people seem to forget that kissing doesn’t equal sex. ;)
#11: “Sorry, I’ve not been into Bond since Brosnan. Sometimes changing actors does lose you fans.”
You kind of prove the point, though - if fans hadn’t been willing to accept a replacement for Sean Connery, you’d never have seen Brosnan as Bond. He wasn’t the first, or second, or third…
And for those of you who don’t remember, Sean Connery *was* James Bond to most people in the world who cared. The number of people who ever read a James Bond novel - before or *after* they started making movies - was and is miniscule compared to the number of people who know him only from the movies.
A little bit of simple logic, BTW: If Shatner *is* Kirk and Kirk *is* “Star Trek”…then “Star Trek” is finished once and for all - if not this year, then in a few.
Fortunately for those of us who’d like it to live, they’re going to cast a new Kirk.
50. Jowly Shatner
The Shat has lost a few pounds and the double chin looks noticeably smaller. No doubt due to the weight set in his Boston Legal dressing room. Give him a few more months. Toupee also looks more Kirk-ish these days.
53. The Relieved Mr. Bailey
“Fortunately for those of us who’d like it to live, they’re going to cast a new Kirk.”
It may live in YOUR world.
If they are going to make Star Trek that is NOT Star Trek, then Star Trek is ALREADY finished.
#55: “It may live in YOUR world.”
Indeed, yes.
My world.
That would be “Earth,” third planet out from the Sun. You know the place?
Man…..it’s going to be very hard to see another actor playing Captain James T. Kirk.
But know this…..William Shatner has played the beloved character for 40 years. This “new guy” will play him for two or three hours. Who do you think will leave a bigger mark?
Remember Casino Royale. David Niven did a great job with such a hokey script. But the movie was not that good.
David Niven was actually Ian Fleming’s preference for the part of James Bond. EON Productions went with Sean Connery.
EON made the right call though, going with the model rather than the actor.
I remember in ‘83 going to see both “Never Say Never Again” and “Octopussy.”
Never Say Never was (IMHO) much better.
Connery looked older but was quite simply “the real deal.” Somehow (and I loved Roger Moore) between the two films, Connery’s movie stirred up more emotion. Maybe because I grew up watching those first films with Connery.
Seeing him in action one more time was awesome! Does this relate to any topics we have been discussing lately?
re: 56. The Exalted, All-Knowing Dennis Bailey
What a coincidence. That’s where I live. When did they kick you off your home world?
Too bad some of us lepers who don’t like every little incarnation they call “Star Trek” have to be relegated to these colonies where all we have to watch is the original 79 and “The Cage.” Wait! It’s not bad at all! We like it here. We’ve got what we want and the rest of you don’t know what you are getting. Maybe you won’t like it. Maybe it will be BAD. MuuuHa Ha Ha Ha Haaaaaaaa!
Stanky, you are certifiably insane ;-)
68.
Thanks.
So have you seen the “Have Gun Will Travel” Episode that includes the “Robert April ” character?
#61
No, and you did not tell me where you saw it…that would be cool. I have been an RA fan since TAS.
i am de-lurking to comment
I love william shatner…he will always be catpain kirk to me…as he was since my childhood.
but i am still excited about the new movie and the new Kirk.
I have had a year to come to grips with it and I do think it is the right thing to do….after seeing INS and NeM I knew it was over for TNG. I can remember thinking at the time that they would probably go back to TOS since DS9, VOY and ENT clearly were not going to happen.
yet to read some comments here it is like this is all brand new info to people.
So to Shatner’s Kirk I give a big kiss….and await Mr X!
#59:” We’ve got what we want and the rest of you don’t know what you are getting.”
I know, it’s exciting.
You can live forever on macaroni and cheese, if that’s all that you like. I’d rather have something new and interesting. ;)
I got it on DVD from NetFlix. “The Hanging of Roy Carter” is on Season 2 Disc 1. I assume it is available for purchase from amazon.com and other places.
Roddenberry wrote quite a few episodes for this series…this is the first one I have noticed that used a recognizable Star Trek character name.
According to imdb.com, Chaplain Robert April was played in this episode by John Larch.
64. Dennis Bailey
Well you just go ahead and be excited then.
And I don’t really like macaroni and cheese.
Excuse me while I go prepare my supper of pablum. It is so comforting. :)
#37 Shadow,
I’ll admit, I couldn’t follow your complete post.
What “turf” are you talking about? Who’s muscling in? And you are going to stop “them”? And who has “say” over any of this?
As I understand, right now JJ and Paramount have the only “say” on Trek.
If I understand any of that post…you make us all out as members of gangs. What if I like them all? What colors do I wear? And if you don’t like other shows, it’s fine until you or anyone goes out of their way to bash any of them. And I’ll call it (the Star Trek universe)what I want, you call it what you want.
Clarify your post if you would… Half this sounds like you like the new movie (the “turf”?) and other parts sound like you don’t. (”this [pun intended] new “enterprise” as a bucket of ice cubes in a blast furnace, and about as influential.”)
Contrary to you might think, I like them all and I look forward to the new movie and my opinion on Shatner is… I don’t think he’s absolutely necessary, but if he’s there and it moves the story along…I’ll go anyway. If he’s there just to satisfy some fanwhanking scheme to “fix” Generations, I’ll still go… but I don’t see the point.
I’ve clarified what I like and my opinions… and I would like the blue shirt for my gang colors.
#64 and #66
so you both disagree… who da thunk that…. but are you done? We’re down to mac and cheese and pablum. Ick.
How about a whack over the head for you both with an IDIC medallion?
;-)
#68: ” We’re down to mac and cheese and pablum. Ick.”
Yep. That’s why most people won’t eat it any more. :lol:
#67-
Don’t cloud or mollify the issue. It remains, as does my position.
I’m so glad to hear there’s love in your heart for all of “Trek.” I really am. I make no such pretense. I’ve never liked anything but The Only Series, and never will. I never wasted my time reminding anyone of it either.
On the other hand…
Well, for most of us “TOS”-only guys, shoot, over the last decade or so, a lotta a’watching that new fangled MT weren’t quite as “loving” or accepting as you. In fact, why some of ‘em were downright ornery and unneighborly about it.
Far too many talked too much for too long, and all too many on my side have even longer memories than that, especially now, if you get my drift.
I’ve Trekked 40 years. I don’t require any more cachet than that, and my own counsel I’ll keep reagrding what I like or don’t; nor am I required to build bridges to anyone or anything simply because of [FILL IN THE BLANK]. Uh-uh. Nope. Forget it.
No, we’re not one big, happy Fleet, and never will be, not after that period in time.
Believe it.
#69-
Ah, Mr. Bailey. We meet again. I’m that same old Shadow6283 from way back in the days when you were a regular visitor to Christian’s TrekBBS. Remember, I mean before you warped out for parts unknown after that brief writing gig on TNG and later landed a berth on USS Exeter? Been several years, and I must say, you’re quite different in your view of things, especially “TOS” than you were back in that time. As I remember, it was far different than the view you take on it now. But, I digress.
We had many a lively debate over it, didn’t we? Well, don’t worry. We shall do so again, and we can begin right now.
I guess it’s true a man can change, because, gee, you really used to give old “TOS” a going over in those days. I’m glad to see you’ve changed your mind about that Old Series. Now, given your reverence, one might never imagine in a million years how you used to really tear it and its watchers down in favor of TNG and the latter shows in the MT Era. But, I remember defending not only myself as a watcher, but the show as well, and doing a pretty good job of both, to boot. Still am, too. Same battle. But different opponents in another arena. Still fun as ever.
As for some of our more memorable joustsI won’t even go into them. You remember what you said, and there’s little point in rehashing it all here anyway. So, I’ll address your latest broadside instead…
Macaroni and cheese. I like it. Goes great with everything, even just all by itself. People never tire of eating it. It’s as American as Mom, Apple Pie and Baseball, and never goes out of style, a virtual staple of food which is part of a person’s life from childhood through old age, and is always remembered fondly, like “TOS.” No matter what else is out there to digest, it’ll be the only one folks can hold down after eating it after they’ve had a bellyful of it.
And it’ll always be preferable to eating crow. Don’t you agree?
Ah, Shadow. What a seething, bitter, resentful sad piece of work you are. Carrying a grudge..because the TNG fans TEASED you all those years ago! Oh, boo hoo! It must have been painful.
Well, as long as you’re going to post here, just remember the rest of us can (and will) judge you based on what you post. Yeah, you may say you don’t care. But anybody who caries that kind of senseless resentment around for so long clearly does. And if you didn’t care what we think, why would you bother to come here, read the posts, and post at all?
You care, pal. You care so much it hurts! ;-)
Didn’t Curly make a cameo in the first Shemp movie?
re: 73
Not in the first Shemp movie. Shemp rejoined the Stooges in 1946 after Curly had a stroke. Shemp, Moe, Larry and Curly appeared on film together only once, which was in 1947’s “Hold That Lion” where Curly played a sleeping passenger on a train. Curly died in 1952, Shemp in 1955.
The Trek that Never Was
Stooge Trek
Jerome Howard as Captain Curly
Larry Fine as Mr. Fine
Moe Howard as Doctor MoeCoy
Shemp Howard as Shempy - Chief Engineer
Tonight’s Episode - “Where No Knucklehead Has Gone Before”
Captain Curly - Captain’s Log - Hey, Moe! Why is it called a log?
Doctor MoeCoy - Whattaya askin’ me for?
Captain Curly - Because I thought you “wood” know. Nyuk, Nyuk.
(Dr. MoeCoy raps Captain Curly on the head with a dilithium crystal)
and so on….
#72-
He still don’t get it.
Typical.
Let the games begin… :P
No games, Shadow!
I got your number now! :-)
#77-
Really?
We shall see.
#51 said: “No doubt Shatner could do Kirk. He IS Kirk”
Don’t be silly. Shatner is an actor who played Kirk. Because he’s an old man, the only Kirk he can credibly play is that of a Kik who is also an old man. Since Kirk died when the character was middle aged, how can Kirk-as-an-old-man credibly show up in the new movie without resorting to hocus-pocus?
That’s not the case for Nimoy as Spock. He’s an old man, too, but his physical appearance is much the same as the last time he played Spock. In that appearance, Spock was well into a dignified and craggy middle age. Putting Nimoy on screen as Spock would not beggar belief.
Shatner can still sound like Kirk, however. I like the of a framing device that has Nimoy-as-Spock listening to the voice of Kirk — perhaps from a lost recording recently uncovered and delivered to the retired ambassador. I suppose you could even have Shatner appear in a video version of the recording, so long as he sat behind a desk and they did some didgital magic on his head.
But, the basic notion that Kirk is Star Trek is wrong. If that was the case, none of the other series, none of the other movies, and none of the hundreds of Trek books would exist. Going by the numbers, Kirk makes no appearance in the majority of Trek stories.
#70 Shadow
I’m not clouding the issue and I certainly am not trying to get you to like anything. I don’t understand your position and the rhetoric of your post. That’s WHY I asked the question. And I don’t understand why you need to be antagonistic.
And for wasting my time telling you what I liked. Possibly I did, but it’s mine to waste and at least I am consistant on where I stand. You didn’t need to read it.
You’ve Trekked for 40 years…so? We are peers in age and “time served”, but I don’t threaten people because they are doing something I think MAY be wrong on a movie or TV show. Yea, go back to your posts on other threads and tell me you didn’t threaten someone. Or are you saying those were “jokes” now?
You are not required to “build bridges” or like the other Treks shows. I don’t like this being about “sides” or my Trek vs. Yours. Frankly, I see people posting here that “have Trekked” far less years than you or I that have valid opinions and don’t seem nearly as “in-your-face” about it and do get their point across. If your posts are indicative of the attitude of your part of the “(un)happy Fleet”, I think I’ll stay planet-side and just enjoy the TV and movies.
X
#79 well said, good presentation of your point.
re: 79
I repeat: Shatner is Kirk, Kirk is Shatner. The same for all the series characters.
“Since Kirk died when the character was middle aged, how can Kirk-as-an-old-man credibly show up in the new movie without resorting to hocus-pocus?”
It’s Science Fiction, that’s how. If you can believe Spock can have his noggin refilled with his Katra, it shouldn’t be that tough.
Preferably, they don’t explain it at all, if they use him in the movie. Anything after Star Trek VI is not official anyway. (Actually anything after Star Trek IV in my book)
Have a nice day.
#70-
We’ll see, won’t we?
#47 THX-1138
Nicely put…especially the last four words. ;)
#50 billg - Come on, people, how would you cast Shatner as Kirk?
See my #28 post to find out…
Whoever the new Kirk is, you gotta hope he will have better aim that Shatner, who planted just about every kiss in this video firmly on his partners chin. Gotta love that 60’s censorship!
http://www.moviewavs.com/0028375953/MP3S/Movies/Team_America_World_Police/mattdamon2.mp3