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Salt Up The Man Trap Preview September 24, 2007

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: TOS-R Preview , trackback

The Remastered "The Man Trap" airs this weekend (note updated station/air time guide)
Preview courtesy STARTREK.COM  

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1. Derrick - September 24, 2007

Can’t resist, never done it before….

FIRST!!

2. Derrick - September 24, 2007

Also, preview looks pretty cool.

3. OneBuckFilms - September 24, 2007

Got a kick out of the Morphing effect !!!

This has good writing, but that salt monster is hilarious !!!

Part of the charm of Star Trek is seeing things like that.

The first McCoy episode, and the first episode aired.

Fun !!!

4. homelite - September 24, 2007

can anyone confirm this was the first episode ever broadcast?
the restoration looks resplendant, and note that it accurately predicted the popularity of ambien in the future (“you’ll sleep”)
also, i recall my mother telling me i would end up looking like the salt vampire if i didn’t lay off the saltines before dinner. scared me.

5. Cranston - September 24, 2007

I don’t like the morphing effect, at least as seen in this preview. It looks very clunky, particuarly (for the McCoy-Mrs. Crater transition) since the angle on the surrounding set changes as well.

In this case, I much prefer the original fade-in version of the effect. In the story itself, the salt vampire isn’t actually a shape shifter per se; it simply somehow (psychically?) is able to trick other people’s perception into seeing something else. Remember in the first scene, where McCoy, Kirk, and the soon-to-be-dead crewman all see different women simultaneously? In that sort of context, the ripple/fade-in seems more appropriate to me to signify that perceptual “clouding” effect.

6. Harry Ballz - September 24, 2007

I hate to say it, but the salt monster kind of reminds me of an ex-girlfriend!
Yeesh!!

7. Dennis Bailey - September 24, 2007

#4: “can anyone confirm this was the first episode ever broadcast?”

Yep. I saw it.

NBC made a big deal out of launching several of their new series a week earlier than usual that year – the programming seasons were *that* rigid by custom. Trek was one of several new shows that they “sneak previewed.”

I found the show (in black-and-white, BTW) confusing and a bit dreary. It took me a couple of episodes to actually go completely crazy over it. I suppose it says something, though, that I remember that first episode so clearly.

8. OneBuckFilms - September 24, 2007

Originally aired September 8th, 1966

6th in production order, 1st on the Season 1 DVD set.

http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/series/TOS/episode/68672.html

9. freezejeans - September 24, 2007

The salt critter scared me as a kid watching it in the late 60′s…but I loved how Galaxy Quest spoofed scene with Kirk and Spock in this episode, where they are hiding next to a boulder dodging phaser fire while Kirk pops up and cracks off a shot.

10. Garyp - September 24, 2007

#5. I agree. The morphing effect looks lazy since half of the bulk-head is morphing along with the creature. But I guess that’s the sacrifice they had to make since they didn’t have any clean plate shots of just the background. Although, if they really wanted to, they could have drawn the missing areas of the background in Photoshop and then rotoscoped the creature, but that would have taken a lot of time.

11. Jon - September 24, 2007

#9

I’m with you…the sight of the creature at the end gave me nightmares for months after I first saw it at the tender age of about 6 or 7 (somewhere around 1972 or so). For more than a few years thereafter, I had to either avoid this episode, or at least turn away from the TV set when the creature finally reveals itself :) …

And don’t forget that incredibly eerie and creepy music…I’m sure that didn’t help me get any more sleep back then either…

12. Rainbucket - September 24, 2007

The “lazy morphing” that extends to the backdrop isn’t necessarily wrong. People’s perceptions were changing, not the creature’s physical form. Maybe projecting a new image included how the perceived form sat against the background, a sort of refracting effect.

Feel free to dig up a real salt vampire and prove me wrong.

13. billy don't be a hiro - September 24, 2007

“Feel free to dig up a real salt vampire and prove me wrong.”

lol – that’s great

14. DavidJ - September 24, 2007

#12

Agreed. It reminds of the shapeshifter girl on Heroes last year– when she changed the entire space around her seemed to warp and fluctuate too.

15. CmdrR. - September 24, 2007

This is the episode Shatner refers to as “Bones Gets a Jones.”
It’s hard to remember not knowing the background of these characters, but Kirk isn’t very vibrant in this one. And McCoy is completely out of character, as a lovesick schoolboy. Plus, Spock is still in his early “screamin’ Vulcan” stage “It’s killing the Captain!”

Still, great Uhura moment near the top and some genuinely creepy bits.

I can take or leave the morphing. The pay-off would have to be a better salt vampire, and we’re not gonna git that. I wonder how they built all those buildings in the desert with suction cups all over their fingers. OSHA would have a field day.

16. billy don't be a hiro - September 24, 2007

That salt vampire is a classic design. Put some quivering movement, some little teeth and some slime on those fingertip suckers and she would be ready for the 21st century.

17. Red Shirt - September 24, 2007

Yeah, the “morph” is terrible. I know it would take a long time to roto the start frame (the crewman) and roto the end frame showing the result, but it’s so quick that I don’t think it would be that hard. For all of CBSD’s fine work I really don’t like this. No, CBSD lurkers, I am not a layperson. No, CBSD lurkers, I am not a playa hata. I just am adding my two cents work. I mean, I freaking LOVE the work you guys/gals have done so far, especially since you have your “new” model of the Enterprise, but these “morphs” look like something that comes free with Imovie, or Premiere, or similar off the shelf consumer products. I don’t see it as “lazy morphing,” but “just the not best choice” morphing.

Any CBSD lurkers care to pop on and talk about the editorial/creative choice made here for this effect work? If the powers that be are slave driving for HD/DVD releases, please let them know that this is gonna be their last shot at these shows. We don’t expect another stab at TOS, do we? Heck, we have the mastered to video FX work of TNG, DS9, and VOY to contend with. NTSC video at that! ENT is the only one that might hold up over time, and we only really like season four of that one anyway!!!

18. Al - September 24, 2007

Haven’t the phasers on the planet’s surface been enhanced? Narrower blue beams?

19. Scott Gammans - September 24, 2007

Hell, I just hope that they even bother to *show* “Man Trap” this weekend here in the capital of the free world. The 10 PM Saturday night timeslot that startrek.com lists for “Star Trek” in Washington DC on WDCA is NOT correct. According to WDCA’s website (and my TiVo), it’s *supposed* to be 12 AM Sunday morning, but our craptastic affiliate keeps pre-empting Trek for “professional” wrestling.

20. VulcanBabe - September 24, 2007

Remastering episodes almost makes me feel as though Shat and Nimoy are still young, great actors…and the series is still continuing.
Very cool morphing effects. ^^

21. navamske - September 24, 2007

Wasn’t there an actor in this episode who holds the distinction of being the first redshirt to die, and who also turned up in “First Contact” as maybe the bartender in the holodeck (“Nicky? Hasn’t been here in months”)? I could swear I read that someplace.

22. dil - September 24, 2007

The salt creatures main ability is when McCoy sees her as young and Kirk sees her as an older woman at the same time. Salty phermones.

23. T Negative - September 24, 2007

One of my all time favorites. The creepy music really makes it work. I like the morphing effect they did here.

I have to say this is the best preview I’ve seen yet. It sells the episode very well.

“It’s killing the Captain, shoot QUUUICK!!!!!”

24. Robert Bernardo - September 24, 2007

homelite wrote:

> can anyone confirm this was the first episode ever broadcast?

Yes, this was the first episode broadcast. With our new 1966 RCA color television, we tuned in that night, and when the show’s teaser popped on after the NBC peacock, we couldn’t understand why the sky was red. We kept trying to adjust the t.v.’s hue control to make the sky blue. :-D

As an episode that delves into horror, I found it to be particularly effective as a child and now as an adult.

25. sean's clone - September 24, 2007

The morph effect is dreadful and so 80′s (can anyone say “Williow”) – another great episode that the CBSD team decides to underwhelm us with.

26. Magic_Al - September 24, 2007

I doubt these are the final morphs. The don’t even have the eyeballs keyframed to each other. These look like they were done in a few minutes by the promo editor. Morphing software has been around for a long time and it’s way too easy to do better than what’s in this promo.

27. I AM THX-1138 - September 24, 2007

Bring back the Salt Vampire.

28. sean's clone - September 24, 2007

right from the StarTrek.com preview page:
“This preview for the remastered version of “The Man Trap” shows new “morphing” effects and the improved image quality apparent in all the restored episodes.”

29. bmar - September 24, 2007

This one scared me as a kid as well. in fact, that’s the reason NBC went with it first.

Although Corbomite Maneuver was the first regular episode filmed (not including WNMHGB) NBC thought it was too slow and cerebral to start out with. Audiences of the day usually equated sci-fi with monsters and so NBC decided to kick of with one that fit the bill.

30. Scott Gammans - September 24, 2007

The Corbomite Maneuver was too cerebral? Now that’s one that I’ve never heard before, and one that I heartily disagree with… TCM was a rollicking good space yarn, and arguably contained more actual star trekking than “The Man Trap”.

31. Kevin - September 24, 2007

“Haven’t the phasers on the planet’s surface been enhanced? Narrower blue beams?”

Actually, I seem to recall that the phasers in this episode actually looked good when they were done in ’66. These are actually how they looked originally.

http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=22&pos=216

http://tos.trekcore.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=22&pos=238

I find it odd that they didn’t look this good for the rest of the series.

32. FlyingTigress - September 24, 2007

Am I recalling this ep incorrectly, or did the phaser shot that stunned Prof. Crater sound like some low-budget Western’s sound effect of a low caliber bullet plinking off of a tin plate?

33. MichaelJohn - September 24, 2007

Another episode that really gave me the creeps as a kid!

I thought the ugly alien/monster costume was very well done, and it still looks kind of scary even today.(though the “suction cup hands” kind of make me laugh now)

Overall one of the better episodes from the first season, IMHO.

Mike :o

PS: I thought the original phaser shot, where the doctor was slightly “stunned” on the planet was a cool effect. I don’t think this “stun effect” was ever duplicated in quite the same way again.

When I first saw this episode, I remember wondering what must have hurt more….being stunned by that phaser, OR having my head and body “smacked hard against that rock”, as a result of the phaser shot. Ouch!!

34. DJT - September 24, 2007

“Remastering episodes almost makes me feel as though Shat and Nimoy are still young, great actors…and the series is still continuing.”

I agree. Wholeheartedly.

35. johnny - September 24, 2007

I always wondered about the origins of the salt creature. It’s one of my favourites

36. steve623 - September 24, 2007

i think there was a small-framed woman inside the Salt Vampire suit wasn’t there? i wonder if she’s working the convention circuit? :)

37. Harry Ballz - September 24, 2007

Yeah, I hear her nickname is “Lot’s wife” because she’s a pillar of the salt vampire community!

38. John Bigbootey - September 24, 2007

There are two morph shots in this promo. In the first, it doesn’t look like the wall is morphing along with the actors. In the second morph it does. Hmmm… let’s hope the second effect was just the product of a lazy promo editor.

I agree with Kevin that the phaser effects never looked better than they did in this episode. I downloaded the original show on itunes and it looks pretty darned good, even with the monster fade effects.

39. toddk - September 24, 2007

I liked the new morph effect, no problem here. I thought the image of mccoy rising from the bed a little deceptive , as if luke skywalker was using a jedi technic behind the scenes…ya gotta believe me!

40. Daren Doc - September 24, 2007

Since the guys at CBS-D don’t wanna talk to me no more… :) I figure It’s about time to talk about their new stuff… I saw the trailer, and was disappointed a bit at the new “morph”… so I did a quick test to “1966-ify” it…
I’ve posted it at my trekenhanced site… the first post in quite a few months… I’ve neglected trek for at least 10 weeks or so. I should be ashamed. lol

41. Kevin - September 24, 2007

I don’t see any problem with the new morph. In fact I like it a lot better than what we had before. A vast improvement in my opinion. I was worried they wouldn’t touch it, b/c they touch so little of the live action shots. This is actually a pleasant surprise. The second one looked off, but I think that was editing for the trailer. I doubt the background will morph too.

42. Al - September 24, 2007

The after effect of the stun hit on Crater was slowed down dialogue – creepy.

I bet the effects in the trailer are final. Can’t recall one where it wasn’t so.

43. seangh - September 25, 2007

Hey Daren,

I like your dissolvo-morph effect there. I just hope that the actual show has a more refined morph than shown in the episode preview: That morph is just plain awful, boring and uninspired, which is, sadly, the way things seem to be going for this whole remastered effort.

44. KevinA - Melbourne Australia - September 25, 2007

I do Morphing in my studio all the time. This is very lazy.

All you need is a still from the start frame + a still from the end frame, pull our the actors in Photoshop and fill in the bulk heads behind.

Then you Morph the actors and overlay them back onto the back ground. You can even morph the back ground separately if light changes. I’d say about a half hour to do! This has got to be a promo only shot or things are going down hill in CBS Digital.

45. OR Coast Trekkie - September 25, 2007

Ok, I don’t know about the first morph, but the second morph in the preview is OBVIOUSLY done by the promo. people. I don’t think a monster changes into both people and a background. That’s just me.

The phaser shots look good in this episode. I’m sure that because this was one of the first 10 productions, they used a more expensive way of implementing the phaser effect, and as time went along…

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: There is an irony to the fact this remastering project has time and budget restraints… much like the original production back in the 60′s.

Unfrotunately, we also have to rmeember that the main purpose of Remastered is NOT to fix the effects, but simply to go HD with TOS. From what I’ve seen of the Remastered Project promo, it almost sounds as though half way through the process somebody said “Ya know, why not fix some of the effects?” (This could be an explanation of why some of this does seem so rushed). Perhaps one day, we will get a TOS where the effects ARE the main focus, and a complete reproduction of ALL the musical scores as well (capturing the true essence of the Fight Theme, or whatever its called).

As for the TNG-era shows… lets let them finish TOS first. But I can’t imagine too much needing to be done for any of those shows. Maybe add the hull/nacelles of 1701-D to the outside window of the conference lounge, a docking pylon outside the windows of the upper level of the promenade in DS9.

46. Cyberziggy - September 25, 2007

Yeah… kinda dissapointed in the morphing. The morph below was done with freeware, and I think it looks better…lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCABj8qGKbU

47. Cervantes (...is the glass half full or half empty?... ) - September 25, 2007

Anthony, I know I keep asking, but is there any chance of a follow-up interview with CBS Digital yet?…where maybe some of us here could suggest some questions for you to ask the team… ;)

48. Utterlee - September 25, 2007

Just to add my tuppeth in about the morph – I think it’s a shame that an effect has been used which is just so un-1960′s. Most of the other updates would have been possible at the time with enough time and money, but the morph in the promo is just really 80′s and video-y.

They’d have been better leaving it as a cross-dissolve.

49. bdrcarter - September 25, 2007

Why can’t people stop complaining about Remastered? There’s more to this that just money and transferring TOS into HD. I can actually sit and watch Star Trek with my 11-year old son without him laughing his butt off at the old special effects. (Unfortunately, the poor kid grew up on the Star Wars prequels.) Before Remastered came along, I made an effort to get him to watch classic episodes. He couldn’t make it through a complete show simple because of the now-laughable effects. But in the last year, we’ve enjoyed The Doomsday Machine, The Immunity Syndrome and many others that highlight the value of wonderful story telling and truly great characters. Even the simplicity of a blinking Gorn somehow made that rubber suit more palatable to my fledgling Star Trek fan. I’m looking forward to watching The Man Trap with him, knowing he won’t exit the room since the I Dream of Jeannie-style morphing has been updated.

Keep it going CBS-D…some of us appreciate what you do!

(Please, don’t even start the “I could do it better on my lap top” posts. It may be true…but my son and I will never see your work. We’ll be watching what Paramount puts on the air…and we’re happy to have it.)

50. marbpl - September 25, 2007

I think NBC started with this episode instead of “Corbomite Maneuver” because they wanted to show an alien planet, and not just a starship interior.

And they ought to add this on the DVD as a bonus…
http://trekmovie.com/2007/03/15/proof-that-recasting-can-work/#more-570

51. I AM THX-1138 - September 25, 2007

Next on Geek Week:

We go ahead and tackle those bad morphs of Maya from Space: 1999.

Also, how to get the interior lighting right on the remastered Eagles.

52. DarenDoc - September 25, 2007

#51

That would be great!! lol Although, in the remastered Space:1999 they would replace all the LIVE ACTION… :)

Actually, I still love remembering Space:1999… watched it every week when I was little…

But I find it difficult to watch one all the way through these days. :)

53. CmdrR. - September 25, 2007

^ Loved Space: 1999. Wikipedia has a few links that will get you the scoop of all the gaff per episode. I mention this for Trekkies, because if you took all of the gaffs in TOS in its entirety, they wouldn’t equal an average ep of Space. If you go to that page, plan to spend hours.

54. Al - September 25, 2007

I will bet that the morphs in the trailer ARE final. When have there ever been trailer only effects?

55. bdrcarter - September 25, 2007

I remember an effect in the “Wink of an Eye” trailer when Kirk tried to stun the female antagonist. In the trailer there was a Flash-like effect as she stepped out of the way of the phaser beam. It wasn’t in the actual episode. (Looked kinda cool but it wouldn’t have made sense. It’s not like the invaders could accelerate at will.)

56. I AM THX-1138 - September 25, 2007

Ah, c’mon Daren. What, you no like ships on strings? Or completely implausible TV show concepts? Maybe U.F.O was more to your liking? I know that there were more hot purple haired women on that show.

But why did interceptors only have one missile? Bothered me for years.

Oh yeah, salt vampire. Cool one, that.

57. DarenDoc - September 25, 2007

If Space:1999 were just shots of Eagles launching and moonbase activity and moon buggys and fleets of hawks flying by, I’d be very happy… I have no problem with ships on strings. :) It’s the acting and stories that move so darn slow. :)

Oh, and I do love UFO as well. :) And the interceptors only have one missile, because, usually, that’s all it took, baby! :) lol

58. I AM THX-1138 - September 25, 2007

Official thread hijack in 3…..2……..1

I remember when Space: 1999 came out there was (at least in my circle) a backlash against it from Trek fans. As if the very existence of another science fiction show on TV was going to take away from the appeal of Star Trek. I love gadgets and space ships and monsters so 1999 was wonderful to watch as a boy. But I never could get over the basis for the whole plot. That being that THE MOON WAS BLOWN OUT OF ORBIT BY NUCLEAR EXPLOSIONS AND WASN’T DESTROYED. Oh yeah and just about everybody lived. About the one missile: the aliens didn’t seem to get out of the way very well, did they? Strange that they were so advanced and we were so scared of them. I still joke around that the ships designer might have wanted to make the cockpit window slide off while in flight just in case the 1 missile missed and you had to resort to throwing rocks.

59. New Horizon - September 25, 2007

@DarenDoc –

Loved your take on the Morph Daren, very tastefully done.

I hate to be complaining about the CBS-D effort all the time, but it keeps missing the mark week after week and showing that it really doesn’t GET TOS at all. People can argue a difference of SFX design philosophies, but when you’re revamping the effects for a 60′s TV show…come on, you should at least aim a bit higher than to simply replace the FX with a completely modern style.

I still mourn Daren not getting the reins to this project. What a mistake.

60. Kevin - September 25, 2007

#59
See, how artistic tastes can differ, b/c I couldn’t disagree more. Why would anyone want to recreate 60′s FX in 2007?

But those are just differing opinions.

61. DJT - September 25, 2007

Am I the only one who thought Nancy was hot?

62. ozy - September 25, 2007

49- I agree.

I’am 22 years old ( new fan of TOS ). I must say, new effects are much better.

63. FlyingTigress - September 25, 2007

#52

I also recall the TV Guide article about S:1999. That (makes warding sign) Fred F. was going to be involved with it, and that the premise was that it was going to be (to use a more recent term) a ‘metrosexual’ version of Trek: “a little less macho, and swaggering, since we’re just cruising along through space. No ‘blast every alien who tries to attack us’. Just their infinite number of Eagles, their little hand grip thingiemobobs guns, and their curiously-intact-after-a-nuclear-event-capable-of-kicking-them-out-of-orbit Moon.

64. New Horizon - September 25, 2007

@60 -

It’s not about recreating 60′s effects, it’s about creating effects in 2007 that are plausible in a 60′s television show.

It’s not entirely artistic taste either, as I would be fine with that style of morph in something else…but this is TOS. I just don’t think a lot of people really ‘get’ it. Yes, the effects do look pretty damned good from time to time, but they’re way out of context for TOS. Daren has gotten it from Day 1….it’s just one of those situations where the better vision lost to ‘cheaper’ in house production.

If you look at Daren’s clip, you’ll see that he didn’t copy the original exactly, but rather just used a style that would have been possible if TOS had a larger budget. Motion picture effects in the 60′s could be down right beautiful. Even Forbidden Planet, from the fifties, was gorgeous at times.

The approach of the TOS remaster should have been… to make these effects take on the look of aTOS with a 1960′s motion picture budget and better equipment.

I think it would look damned unique and still looked like TOS. This just doesn’t.

65. Daren Doc - September 25, 2007

Back to Space: 1999… :)

I actually think that TNG owes a LOT to Space: 1999… the more “open” feel of the sets… the costumes even… and also the wider range of characters… I know it’s a bit of a stretch… but I think TNG is related more closely to 1999 than it is to TOS.

just a thought.

carry on.

Oh, and yeah… I think that the “Remastered” project is going way beyond their “The old effects look bad in HD” excuse… Tell me that the dissolve looks bad in HD… :) Yeah, I know… they’re bringing a modern take to it. But I think that with even a LITTLE effort… they could do some really outstanding work (in my opinion)… and do something that looks like they didn’t just push the “morph” button. But I digress. At least the Enterprise looks much better than it used to in year 1.

66. seangh - September 25, 2007

I’m gonna give the CBSD team a bit more credit and benefit of the doubt. When you look back at the remastered “Amok Time”, “The Cage” and “Devil in the Dark” – these are almost perfection. The matte paintings are re-created in a style honoring the originals, yet updated tastefully – so they certainly get it. I really think it’s more of a budget and time issue. THe suits at CBS / Paramount just are not willing to sink the additional resources into this project to get to a point where most of us would be 90% satisfied. It’s a shame.

I’d be happy with 10 remastered shows a season for the next 8 years if that is the time they needed to get this done right – but that’s not going to happen.

67. OR Coast Trekkie - September 25, 2007

#64

You’re joking, right? Make the effects look as though they were made in the 1960′s? It’s 2007! Why would I want to watch a bunch of newly created 60′s style effects? Are you saying that the ships flight should still look like its being guided by strings and/or sticks b/c that’s how the producers WANTED the flight to look (ie. the original Galileo Seven). Effects made in 2007 should look 2007.

68. New Horizon - September 25, 2007

- 67. OR Coast Trekkie

No, no, no. You’re not getting it. Sixties inspired effects don’t have to look bad you know. The idea is to mimic the equipment that was available at the time, but with modern equipment. That way, the new CGI would far better match the style of the original live action footage.

If TOS had enough money back in the 60′s, for ‘state of the art’ motion picture quality FX, it would have looked completely different from the style that aired on TV, and far more different than the 2007 FX. Much like the ‘style’ of the TOS live footage looks completely different from 2007 Trek footage.

Why in the name of heaven should a 60′s show have 2007 styled FX slapped into it? Sure, you can do it…but there are far more fitting options. To stomp your foot and only see the black and white of it is ridiculous! People can’t seem to envision what 60′s styled FX really means. Look at 2001, a space odyssey. Those FX still look great today, that’s the look and style that TOS remastered should have been striving for. Making everything look like it was filmed with minatures, to give them more weight and substance, but with the added freedom that CGI can afford them of not looking like they’re on strings. Some fair examples of what TOS might have looked like with 60′s motion picture quality FX.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v149/Warped9/TOS-EN4.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v149/Warped9/TOS-EN9.jpg

69. Holo J - September 26, 2007

67 OR Coast Trekkie

I agree, what the point of recreating the effects to look like they where I n the sixties? That’s why in “Balance of Terror” when the cloak was still just the 60′es fade out instead of the more modern wobble and fade effect that has become standard in Star trek it made me thing why change it at all? I mean if you are going to update the effects then update them properly.

If people are arguing that the effect should be looking like as if they were done in the sixties then planets and all that we know of space that we didn’t know back then would still look incredibly dated.

For example I doubt they could have made the asteroid look like it did in the remastered “For the World is Hollow and I have Touched the Sky” in the sixties. If they were going the root of making the effects all sixties looking then the asteroid should have just been a straight copy of the prop they used in the original.

But if they did that you would have to ask why bother remastering the effects at all. On the whole I enjoy the changes CBS have made, but for me as for a lot of others on here its just frustraighting they haven’t gone further with the remastering.

66. seangh

I also think the matt painting have been very successful in capturing the look and feel of the originals but at the same time bringing them to life and making them more believable. I love to see more of this in the future.

“The suits at CBS / Paramount just are not willing to sink the additional resources into this project to get to a point where most of us would be 90% satisfied. It’s a shame. I’d be happy with 10 remastered shows a season for the next 8 years if that is the time they needed to get this done right – but that’s not going to happen.”

I enjoy what CBS do and quite like the first morph effect on the preview (the second does look a bit rushed) and don’t have a problem with them doing that as I feel it’s probably what they would have done if they had the technology at the time. But I totally agree, its such a shame they don’t finish this to a higher standard.

70. New Horizon - September 26, 2007

- If people are arguing that the effect should be looking like as if they were done in the sixties then planets and all that we know of space that we didn’t know back then would still look incredibly dated.

GAH! You people still aren’t getting it.

‘SIXTIES MOTION PICTURE QUALITY’. Something far different from what aired on TV, and closer to 2001 space odyssey quality. Even then, I’m not talking about matching the quality exactly…just the VISUAL STYLE…which is to say, the whole thing would look more organic and physical.

Honestly, I don’t know how else to explain it without learning Lightwave or Maya and doing it myself.

All I’m saying is, these effects are going TOO FAR in the modern direction and could really have used a more ‘stylized’ retro touch. Something to make it look like it was shot with physical models on a sound stage, rather than cooked up on a computer.

It’s never going to happen, and people are happy with the cookie cutter effects anyway. So don’t get too upset by me dreaming of something a little more ambitious.

71. mb - September 26, 2007

2001 really pushed the envelope in SFX – I don’t think there was anything at all anywhere like it until that point, and very little like it until nearly a decade later when STAR WARS and CLOSE ENCOUNTERS came out.
And it may seem sacrilgious, but does anyone agree that LOST IN SPACE generally had better production values than TREK?

72. bdrcarter - September 26, 2007

Simmer down New Horizon. You don’t have to yell and tell us we “don’t get it.” We just don’t “get” your vision of the project. Maybe TOS isn’t about the ’60s. Maybe it’s about being timeless…’cept for the mini-shirts and beehives. I kept an open mind about your opinion and checked out Daren Doc’s take on the morph. I have to ask…what was the point? There isn’t much difference from the original other than aligning the images. It still looks “old” and probably wouldn’t hold up with modern audiences.

If you want to share your vision…go sell it and produce it. In the meantime, I hope we can enjoy this gift from Paramount and that TOS feels fresh again. (When I read some of the posts here, I can’t help but think of Dudley Dursley from the Harry Potter books. He didn’t care about getting gifts for his birthday…just how many there were. For heaven’s sake, we’re arguing over a blankty-blank trailer!)

Remastered may not be a perfect gift…but it is a gift. And a pretty damn good one.

73. seangh - September 26, 2007

While I enjoy the fresh look of the remastered episodes and appreciate the effort put into it by the CBSD team, I can’t help but ask myself “Is this the best they could do?”

Let’s not forget that Trek has been a multi-billion dollar cash cow for Paramount, and largely responsible for keeping that studio solvent back in the early 80s.

It just seems to me that they could have honored the original series a bit more and paid back loyal fans by making this re-mastered project a more substantial and consistent effort.

As much as I want to give them a “pass” and be a happy little “peon” lucky to get anything – I can’t. I’ll stop short of saying this remastering project is botched, but based on what I’ve seen so far, I’ll give it a “C minus” overall, with some stand out episodes like “Doomsday” and “Devil in the Dark” getting a “B minus.”

74. seangh - September 26, 2007

(sorry – more to say)

It’s not too late for Paramount to redeem themselves with this TOS remastering. In December 2008 – the new film is supposed to be released and this will tie in with the second set release of the TOS remastered DVDs right?

Hopefully – they step it up and deliver some outstanding releases this season, because they definetly will be compared to the feature film effects wise – don’t you think?

75. bdrcarter - September 26, 2007

Don’t get me wrong, TOS-R isn’t perfect. (I have a wish list at the end of every episode of smaller things I was hoping they’d enhance. I was really disappointed in For The World Is Hollow And I have Touched The Sky. For as nicely as the asteriod was rendered, I couldn’t believe there wasn’t something they could do with the glowing red dot on McCoy’s and the old dude’s temples. Fade them up slowly. Render some creeping tendrils/veins over the circles. Something!)

I agree that Paramount should have gone slower and invested more in the project. But for the time and money CBS-D has been given…they’re doing a great job!

(The Doomsday Machine was an A- IMHO. I would have liked a better texture on the weapon and it would have been cool to see phasers “bounce off” its hull…as Sulu described it.)

76. Jon Witchell - September 26, 2007

i don’t think that new morphing effect will be in the episode i think its just done for the preview to maintain a fast-beat teaser. much the same way lightening/flashes have been used in other of the previews. i could be wrong, but (as someone mentioned) the background isnt still in the nancy/mccoy change, suggesting this effect is just for the preview.

77. Harry Ballz - September 26, 2007

So, if a redshirt is being attacked from behind by the Salt Vampire, and the creature locks his hansduckers onto the crewman’s derriere, can the redshirt flip open his communicator and legitimately scream, “help! I’m being ass-salted!”?

78. non-fanatic - September 26, 2007

#76
I think you’re in for a disappointment . I would have thought these previews are put together from the finished remastered episodes.

I think the initial enthusiasm has gone and it’s now no longer a case of “how good can we make this” as “how little can we get away with”. Remember at the start of this? There were extra characters put into scenes, new matte paintings, masking to add new backgrounds… not any more.

That morphing effect is really bad with the background changing like that. They couldn’t even be bothered to mask two still shots and treat the background separately.

They know that you fans will buy it anyway, and that’s what matters to them. I find it amusing when I see posts by people happy that the price of the box set has fallen, I mean, how gullible! Who didn’t predict that? Typical marketing where you price something at an extortionate amount so that you can drop the price later and people think “wow, the price has dropped by this much, where’s my wallet!” not noticing that the price is still ridiculous for a 40 year old television series that you’ve probably bought on at least one other format already.

Oh, no offence to anyone, I just get depressed that people don’t try and do things the best they can or that they would be proud of — not when they’re getting paid for it anyway.

79. Holo J - September 26, 2007

I have enjoyed a lot of what CBS have done. I really enjoyed the little things they added in “Amok Time” and the new space shots in “Doomsday machine” and the “Galileo Seven” but it’s the little things that get missed that probably would be time consuming to do but would make such a difference.

For example the bridge display screen could be made to look more functional and tie more into the episodes. It would be a lot of work but it would really make a difference. Especially where the Screen are crumpled on some episodes most noticeable in Tomorrow is Yesterday”

I mean that’s just one of many examples of things I would love to see tackled. Hand phasers, planet surfaces backdrops and maybe even some extended shots or added shots where it helps the story. Defiantly would of like to of seen the prop men hands removed from episodes like “Mirror Mirror” and I think someone pointed out there was another hand in the “Galileo Seven” that could do with being removed. There are lots of things that if done right would take time but I would gladly wait to see it done right.

80. OR Coast Trekkie - September 26, 2007

77 Harry

Hah! I have to admit, I’ve a soft sopt for puns.

New Horizon

I think Iunderstand, you want effects that look like they were made in the 60′s. You still want to maintain a 60′s look. Basically, you beleive the models are more realistic than the CGI Enterprise. And, I have to agree with you for some of the first episodes. But, I also have to say that their CGI work has much improved.

But I tell you, the pictures you provided were pretty awesome.

I do want to ask: How did you feel about “Galileo Seven?” I thought it was pretty well done.

81. New Horizon - September 26, 2007

- I do want to ask: How did you feel about “Galileo Seven?” I thought it was pretty well done.

I thought it looked pretty good, in terms of general SFX. For the most part, it was satisfactorily good ‘modern’ CGI…but it still didn’t seem complete to me.

82. Dave - September 28, 2007

21. Yes, the young actor who played the first crewman killed by the Salt Vampire was in “First Contact” as the bartender in the seedy bar where Cochrane hang out on Earth. He was in a lot of soaps and went public with his battle against MS. Think his name was ? Zaslow. Died of MS in the late-90s, iirc.

83. roebeet - September 28, 2007

76 & 78. I also think these morphs were added only for the promo – I don’t think CBS-D would have created one that also morphs the surrounding room. Makes absolutely no sense. Given that there are other promo effects like McCoy’s body growing in the bed, I think this was a way to jazz up the promo. At least I assume McCoy’s body growth is only a promo shot.

I guess we’ll find out, soon enough….

84. seangh - September 29, 2007

83. roebeet

I hope so, but the copy on the promo trailer page specifically says it shows the “morphing effects” – - ???

THe mystery will be solved tonight I guess….

85. seangh - September 29, 2007

Well – just watched “The Man Trap” and morphing effect was a red herring – didn’t happen. Turns out the morph effects were just in the show preview – thank goodness. The old fashioned dissolves remain.

The new matte painting was a still, with a pan, no beam in effects are meshing with existing footage.

All the Enterprise shots are good, the planet looks arid and dry from space, with some nice orbit angles – one from head on and one from above the Enterprise.

Beyond that, not much has changed on first glance. The horrible phaser shot at the end of the show when McCoy kills the creature “God forgive me” – the beam comes out of the phaser at an angle – that was not corrected – still looks bad.

If the first few shows of this new re-mastered season are any indication, it look slike all we get from here on out are replaced space shots.

I’m particularly disappointed in this one because it was the first show to air – so it is a special episode – and you would think CBSD would give it a little extra attention – but that is not the case.

86. Jon Witchell - September 30, 2007

RE: #85 i had a feeling, as stated in my previous post above, that the morphing effect was just for the preview. like with usesof lightening and speeding up footage, the new effect was just done to fit with the trailer’s construction. though disappointed that there was no beam-in effects as with Amok Time

87. Ty - October 3, 2007

I think if it was the goal to get new fans interested into this franchise,I kinda think they failed at doing it.Because the lack of special FX seems like they are catering to the original fans who already like the show,and they don’t even want the updated FX in the first place.

The new fans that this show is trying to get should do there research better,because the people they are trying to make into new fans are people who are use to seeing amazing sci-fi special FX.

Seems like this project took one step forward,but two steps back.Like on an episode you start to build enthusiasm when you see the new Enterprise in space shooting updated phasers(one step forward),but then you see the Gorn who looks like a guy in a cheap suit(two steps back) which makes you lose the enthusiasm that you were building for the show.

How does it change the story if you use a stuntman to play Kirk,and another stuntman in a better lizard costume(or a CGI Gorn)to have a better fight?It doesn’t change the story at all,the only thing you do is build enthusiasm because people would be into the fight,instead of bored with it so they change the channel.

-$219 for this dvd set is a joke,your not gonna sell that much of them.For one the original fans didn’t want the updated changes so they will pass on it,and the other people wanted everything updated which you didn’t do,so they will pass on it too.

You need to update this set before it comes out,otherwise you have failed at what you were trying to do,which is create new fans.Cater to these potential fans,and update everything.

-The Enterprise bridge,update the monitors,because they look like paintings,it doesn’t take you out of the show to see updated monitors,it takes you out of the show to see a painting in the display of the monitor.

-Make all the planets look different instead of each planet looking like earth.It really takes you out of the show when you see each planet looks like earth,because it feels like they aren’t even exploring the universe at all.(Lets see two moons orbiting next to some of the planets,see different color planets,landscapes,etc.)

-Update all the mattes,create amazing landscape for the planets for when the crew goes down to check things out.

-CGI the bad costumes to the aliens like the Gorn,that guy in the rabbit suit,etc.You don’t want people to turn the channel when these episodes come on,you think your gonna get people to pay $219 for these dvds with those terrible looking aliens?

-Update all of the hand held phaser beams.And make them all one color,except for the rifle phasers,or the alien phasers,then you can use a different color and effect.

-Use CGI to make some alien skins different colors,to add some alien type eyes to some,to make the plague people look better,etc.

-Use stuntmen to make the fights better.

88. Teiki and Tahia - August 19, 2009

The second I saw the saltsucker on this one and only Star Trek episode I’ve ever seen, I got the chills and had nightmares for another five months. (I am 10 years old) Then my brother says: yesterday I was scared to go to sleep because of visions of the salt vampire. Every time when I’m brushing my teeth at night, I always think it’s behind me. When I have a nightlight, it doesn’t help.

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