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Pine’s Kirk Inspired By Harrison Ford? March 10, 2008

by Charles Trotter , Filed under: ST09 Cast , trackback

Last week Chris Pine, Star Trek’s new James T Kirk, told the USA today that he was “not trying to copy” William Shatner’s portrayal of the original character. Now comes news that the actor may be looking to another famous action star actor for ideas. When asked where he looked for inspiration, Pine told IGN “Harrison Ford in either Indiana Jones or Star Wars.”

So why Harrison Ford?

What Harrison Ford is so great at doing is bringing that quality to his characters that if they could be anywhere else in the world they would be there, but he is not, he just is in the middle of s*** and he has to figure out a way of dealing with it so that he can go back to doing whatever the hell he was doing before the film started…
I’ve always loved that quality about him in Star Wars, this sense of absolute grumpy manner; the accidental hero. Not to say that I modeled my version of James T Kirk on anything in particular but I think I definitely have wanted to bring that kind of Harrison Ford humour to Kirk.

More at IGN

Indiana Kirk?
TrekMovie.com just ran a story in which Star Trek scribes Roberto Orci & Alex Kurtzman described how the Indiana Jones movies have influenced their work. Here is more from Kurtzman on Harrison Ford:

I would go as far as to say that literally nobody plays action like Harrison Ford. Nobody. I can’t think of anybody who is able to make you feel that the stakes are real, and also make you laugh in the middle of that.

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Comments

1. Captain Chase - March 10, 2008

slap to the face

2. Dennis Bailey - March 10, 2008

Conceptually, the Kirk on the original series was a professional military officer and explorer, doing what he had trained and dedicated his life to doing. He was an exceptionally intelligent and focused individual

That was forty years ago, of course.

3. the king in shreds and tatters - March 10, 2008

Now I’m picturing Harrison Ford in eyeshadow running around shouting “I’M CAPTAIN KIRK!”

4. J.D. Lee - March 10, 2008

ummm……..

5. Garovorkin - March 10, 2008

Those comments by Pine are going to raise a few a few eyebrows and cause a some temper flair ups from some of the core Trekie audience Just what we need more controversy, Oh Well thats half the fun of this website, let the games begin, again.

6. newman - March 10, 2008

errrr I’m not sure how I feel about that. Although I do admire Harrison Ford, and especially love the Indiana Jones movies, and completely agree with Pine’s take on Indy, I don’t think that’s James Kirk. I always felt that Kirk thrived on being in the middle of this sh*t.

After all, Kirk did say “risk is our business.”

7. S. John Ross - March 10, 2008

The way I see it, if he’s going to draw his inspiration from somewhere other than Shatner, it may as well be from somewhere good … and Harrison Ford is somewhere good. So, I’m cool with that; sign me up for the team that gets our houses egged by the purists ;)

8. Xai - March 10, 2008

oh here we go again..

Someone get the lifejackets… the hardcore group will see this and go overboard again.

9. Spock with a Crowbar - March 10, 2008

The Kirk I know is a far cry from wanting to “be anywhere else in the world” than on the bridge of the enterprise solving problems : (

10. Gary Seven - March 10, 2008

This troubles me. Han Solo, the grumpy, reluctant to help guy, is simply not Captain Kirk. Kirk is a hero, a dedicated officer. I hope this is some dumb offhand comment, but I worry it is a misunderstanding, and serious underestimating, of the Kirk character.

11. Shatner_Fan_2000 - March 10, 2008

C-r-r-r-r-r-r-e-e-e-a-k……!!!!!!

[FLOOR DROPS OUT BENEATH ME]

W
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12. Spock with a Crowbar - March 10, 2008

I’ll take that lifejacket, I guess.

13. indranee - March 10, 2008

ugh, no. this is bad news :(

14. S. John Ross - March 10, 2008

That Photoshoppery, by the way, is almost supernaturally creepy, in an “evil wax dummy that comes alive when the wax museum is closed” sort of way.

15. newman - March 10, 2008

This is the kirk I know:

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=mWWJuuF_mM0

He never hesitated from being down to a planet because there might be snakes…

16. Justin Scherrep - March 10, 2008

It will be just fine!!!!!!

17. Andrew J Robertson - March 10, 2008

Well, the perhaps the YOUNGER James T. Kirk could have had that Harrison Ford quality to him.

18. Xai - March 10, 2008

neither hero went looking for trouble, but did what they had to do when trouble found them.

It will be fine.

19. Chaz McMarketing - March 10, 2008

At this point, I think we’d be better with Picardo’s Emergency Command Hologram.

20. Xai - March 10, 2008

like I said… break out the lifejackets

21. Denise de Arman - March 10, 2008

The Indiana Jones (or Han Solo, for that matter) character I know would not be caught dead as captain of a starship in a military organization, especially responsible for the lives of 420 crewpeople. Perhaps Pine is considering the character from a much younger perspective; however, even given this contingency, why would a command cadet at a prestigous military academy ever respond with a “grumpy humour” in emergency situations? William Shatner always responded to given situations in a believeable, appropriate acting style. Command candidate training at an institution such as Westpoint emphasizes strategy, psychology, logic, fierce discipline, etc. Methinks the lad needs to do some emergency homework of his own on military training institutions and high-level command requirements. Indiana Jones and Captain Kirk – two entirely different characters, genres and acting philosophies.

22. Katie G. - March 10, 2008

Well, bless his little heart for being honest, but maybe that wasn’t the best thing to share. Does that mean he wishes that he got Shia LeBeouf’s part? OMG – - this is like a Soap Opera. What’s next?

Stay tuned, Trek lovers, same Trek time, same Trek channel…

(Oops, wrong catch phrase). Um, Red Alert!! Uh, Phazers on stun! No – - Beam me up, J. J.

Fascinating…

kg

23. Anthony Pascale - March 10, 2008

i have added a poll

24. Xai - March 10, 2008

why do these actors always catch foot in mouth disease?

25. Alex - March 10, 2008

#17 – I was thinking the exact same. As much as we want to see an accurate portrayal of Kirk as he “should be” comparing to the movies, remember the crew is younger, could be less experienced than what we’ve seen in the Original Series and the movies. Perhaps Kirk really is accidentally thrown into a situation he doesn’t know how to handle yet and finds out he’s actually good at it, therefore bringing about his affinity to lead and be able to captain the Enterprise.

Its not entirely surprising that Pine has an affinity for a star like Harrison Ford and his Indiana Jones and Han Solo roles. I have faith in Pine and in his abilities to bring a younger Kirk who’s got the qualities, yet still needing the sense of scope and the means of bringing it out while aboard the Enterprise.

26. Katie G. - March 10, 2008

Re: #21. Denise

Maybe he means the characters’ abilities to think on their feet – - to think quickly and keep your head in an unexpected, bad situation. All of them had that ability – - Han Solo, Indiana Jones and James T. Kirk. At the core, they were really sharp and savvy. Hey, he’s a regular MacGiver!

Okay, okay, sorry, sorry – - didn’t mean to complicate things by throwing another option in there. Xai, I’m going to get a lifejacket. Should I grab one for you?

Hah! Oh well… I’m getting blurry. Time to go to bed.

I’ll be back…

kg

27. Katie G. - March 10, 2008

Thanks, Anthony!!! You’re a really fun host!!

kg

28. I Love My Moogie - March 10, 2008

It’s clear Pine doesn’t ‘get it’ and just confirms that the dangers of recasting the iconic James T. Kirk. I guess using The Shat as a templette for Kirk would be silly, huh?

29. elmachocombo - March 10, 2008

We won’t know whos got what in their mouth until the movie opens.

30. TrekSucksHard - March 10, 2008

Chris Pine should just be himself- there’s no point in trying to imitate Shatner.

But what he can do is focus on the qualities that made Kirk such a science fiction icon: brains, bluff and brawn; Kirk is a ladies’ man, charming and funny at times but tough when the situation demanded it.

Kirk has a commanding presence in which he always takes charge of things and is a natural leader; he also makes use of his crew in the best way possible (Picard and the succeeding captains never did this), he listens to his subordinates and takes their suggestions (Spock’s logic and Bones’ common sense humanity) and adds to it to make an unbeatable combination.

As for the bluff part- Kirk is an excellent gambler, he takes calculated risks and is willing to lie, cheat and steal his way through if the situation demanded it. As for the brawn part, well he just has to be willing to slug it out against the baddies (as opposed to just standing around like an idiot and let them attack him- like what Picard does)!

31. Kevin - March 10, 2008

It’s funny. All the other actors have said they will be borrowing from what the original cast had done. Quinto has gone as far as being somewhat mentored by Nimoy. Pegg has said that he is literally doing Dohan. Even the new Chekov will say Vessels.

Pine was the one that worried me. I’m not saying do an impersonation of Shatner like Jim Carrey or some other comedian, but do Kirk not Han Solo or Indiana Jones.

Now I’m a bit worried.

32. Denise de Arman - March 10, 2008

Actually, the John McLaine (Bruce Willis – Die Hard) and Indie characters have more in common than Kirk would ever have with either them or Han. I haven’t been this concerned since the rumour that Kirk would have some girl rig the simulator FOR him (I’m still praying that is an unqualified, off-the-cuff remark by a not-so-good source). In Shore Leave, Kirk said to McCoy, concerning the academy: “…Grim. I was positively grim…”. In Where No Man…, Gary Mitchell refers to Kirk, at the academy, as a “walking stack of books” and the audience learns that Kirk actually taught classes at the academy, probably akin to graduate students teaching at more established universities. Mitchell also tells Kirk that the other students warned him “…in Kirk’s class, you either think, or sink.”

I have been so looking forward to Abrams and Orci’s vision of ST – I only hope Pine’s portrayal of this beloved character is a younger version of the captain we recognize, not a young Indie or Han.

33. max - March 10, 2008

This is one of those things people are just going to read too much into.

A lot of people (myself included) tend to look at Harrison Ford as the greatest action hero of all time because he’s the “thinking man’s” action hero. He would be a good influence for anyone doing a big movie like this. one Pine does say he didn’t model his Kirk on anything particular, but implies he wants to bring the kind of humanity to Kirk that Harrison Ford would bring to a film.

Its going to be okay.

34. I Love My Moogie - March 10, 2008

Pine should use model his Kirk after TJ Hooker.

35. Denise de Arman - March 10, 2008

Max#33- Beg to differ with you Max; nothing Pine said indicated bringing any particular “humanity” to the role. What he did say concerned Harrison’s take on an action hero wanting to be anywhere else but there during the situation at hand. Kirk’s career path places him in danger, constantly; as a matter of fact, the Kirk character seems to thrive on the unknown, desperate situations “his ship” brings his way. This is a personality which is A-type, driven, disciplined and adept at complex problem-solving. He wants the excitement, the passion – he would no more utter the words, “Klingons – it had to be Klingons” than Indie would say “Risk is our business”. If Kirk lived in the 21st century, he would be jumping out of planes to snowboard in the Andes on the weekends and flying the latest top-secret spy planes for the government during the week. Would Indie?

36. Nigel - March 10, 2008

Wasn’t Han Solo sort of a space pirate… A smuggler like Cyrano Jones? Just the sort of chaps Kirk would love to throw in the brig. Not exactly Starfleet material or proper role models for cadets.

And certainly not good inspiration for anyone portraying Kirk.

I am curious as to who is playing Kirk’s old academy rival Finnegan from the “Shore Leave” TOS episode in the new film. If the computer pulled Finnegan and Ruth out of Kirk’s mind on the amusement park planet in the Omicron Delta system, they clearly played some major part in his past life.

Or has this too been overlooked by the New Young Einsteins in charge of the franchise?

37. Sloan47 - March 10, 2008

I think Pine needs to find his own Kirk. It’s going to be his character now so I’m for letting him find his niche and hopefully he’ll give us a good performance. I honestly don’t want a Shatner clone. Let it be faithful to the original but also original in it’s own right.

38. Mickey MET - March 10, 2008

>>35. Denise de Arman – March 10, 2008
. . . If Kirk lived in the 21st century, he would be jumping out of planes to snowboard in the Andes on the weekends and flying the latest top-secret spy planes for the government during the week. Would Indie?<<

No, Indy would be in his classroom and still be trying to figure out what the words are on the girls eyelids in the front row. . . . :)

(Kirk would just go over, grab the girl by the shoulders and well. . . you know the rest)

39. Sean - March 10, 2008

Guys, gals, nerds, friends – calm down. The only thing in Pine’s comment you need to read is that last sentence: ” Not to say that I modeled my version of James T Kirk on anything in particular but I think I definitely have wanted to bring that kind of Harrison Ford humour to Kirk.”

He’s speaking about one aspect of a mutli-faceted character. There’s no need to run for the hills in fear that we’ll get Indiana Kirk. Okay?

40. Gary Seven - March 10, 2008

Kirk is my favorite character in all of ST, and a big reason I love the show so much. Pine doesn’t understand Kirk, or he couldn’t have said the things he said. And the filming is almost done, I believe.
I am all for Pine’s interpretation of Kirk being influenced, but not an imitation of, Shatner. But this is serious. Some people above tried to rationalize how this is going to be “OK.” Well, he made these comments and they are so off base that it is clear he doesn’t understand the character. I have been looking forward to this movie, and with an open mind. Bend ST for todays time; I get it. That doesn’t mean BREAK it. Now, I’m seriously worried.

41. Penhall - March 10, 2008

Sooo….he’s not gonna look to Shatner’s Kirk for inspiration. Instead, he’s looking to Harrison Ford….makes a lot of sense to me…………

42. Xplodin' Nacelle - March 10, 2008

Pine seems to be the only main actor of the “main 7″ that is really resistant to imitating his predicesor. I hope that he does at least a few nods to the Shat or it’s gonna take me right out of the story. It’s the same thing that happens when I watch New Voyages/Phase II. That guy that plays Bones really makes me cringe everytime he’s on screen. He just doesn’t seem to capture anything that reminds me of De. Ugh!

43. Battletrek - March 10, 2008

Its neat to see what the differences really are between characters like Kirk and Han Solo, and I agree they are pretty dissimilar.

44. trekkie1415 - March 10, 2008

The young Kirk that I remember was a swashbuckling rebel who didn’t listen to the rules. He hated the whole regulation thing, and didn’t mind bending them to get done what he wanted. If Pine tried to imitate the side of Kirk that was very dedicated to his job, I would be disappointed. That was one of Kirk’s charms, was his rebellious flare.

He’s Captain Kirk, not Captain Picard…

45. Battletrek - March 10, 2008

Obviously the character is written more like Han Solo than Kirk in the script otherwise I doubt Pine would model the character that way.

46. Green-blooded-bastard - March 10, 2008

I don’t like it. Kirk looks for for adventure. He thrives on it because he’s a man’s man. Loves the ladies, loves the thrill. He was happy to be demoted from Admiral back down to Captain because he knew it meant getting back into the chair and out into the black. Kirk is epic.

Don’t get me wrong, I love the Jones and Solo characters, and i don’t know that anyone could do them with the same panache that Ford brings to the table, but both of those characters are reluctant-heroes.

Kirk goes back for seconds of hero and eats with both hands.

47. Kevin - March 10, 2008

People are looking into this too much. Pine is going to be Kirk. ‘Nuff said…

48. Buzz Cagney - March 10, 2008

oh dear- I had such high hopes for Pine in the role.

49. Trekkiefan - March 10, 2008

George Lucas who wrote Indiana Jones was mentored by and influenced by Gene Roddenberry and Star Trek. So it is possible that Star Trek and Kirk helped develop the character Indiana Jones . Not that Chris Pine would know that but if he is influenced by Indiana Jones and Lucas was influenced by Gene and TOS then in some ways, Indiana Jones and Capt Kirk are like distant cousins. :-)

50. Gary Seven - March 10, 2008

Great. Appearing as James T. Kirk, James T. Kirk’s distant cousin.
Just Great.
What an idiotic statement by Pine.

51. Jabob Slatter - March 10, 2008

The problem I have with this is that Indiana Jones was always getting his crap stolen by lesser people. He was too often the patsy. I love the character, and Harrison Ford playing him, but he’s definitely not a Captain Kirk style of person.

Maybe it will work, I don’t know. But Kirk was always exactly where he wanted to be. He went looking for the s$%t, as somebody else here has said.

I’m glad Pine understands Indiana Jones. I don’t see any evidence that he understands Kirk, however.

52. Jabob Slatter - March 10, 2008

Oh, and I’m not a purist by the way.

53. seamus - March 10, 2008

Whatever man. In Abrams I trust.

54. Romana_SpoCoy - March 10, 2008

This is worries me… I mean… Kirk = stereotypical hero (and I love every second of him ^_^) while Han Solo is a flat out Anti-hero… and Indy somewhere in between…. Don’t get me wrong, I adore Harrison Ford! But he’s not Kirk….
I’m not saying I think Pine should try to be EXACTLY like the Shat, but that he should at least take his inspiration from him…not another actor.

Aw well, maybe Pine just worded it differently than he intended to…who knows?

I’m still majorly pumped to see this movie ^_^

55. Dan The Man - March 10, 2008

I’m confused about the posted picture.
Thats William Shatner….right?
Or is it actually Chris Pine?

56. noirgwio - March 10, 2008

#18, Exactly! I didn’t read all these coments, but to me, this isn’t a major problem… Why? Young Kirk, not yet icon/hero Kirk. I don’t get the rational, nobody is born an icon! In some cases, a hero isn’t even perceived as one in his own lifetime. So I can accept that out of the gates (read Starfleet Academy) he’s vulnerable and still finding his footing! Now, for me, even though I was born in 1978, and didn’t really find TOS until a few years ago, though I had a passing familiarity with it growing up; I still have a 1960s era appreciation for James T. Kirk. He is one of my all time heroes, alongside the likes of Superman, Sherlock Holmes, Conan, etc. A genuine hero to last forever! But as I say, no one is born one. People gotta quit griping over rumors and anecdotes – it’s just words! We haven’t SEEN it yet, wait until it comes out, go see it, then judge the final product… I mean c’mon, it’s my understanding that prior to TWOK, people took the idea of Khan, a tv villan like it was a joke…

57. Buckaroohawk - March 11, 2008

Oh what the heck…I guess I’ll jump into this ring of fire, too.

I can see where young Mr. Pine would draw some comparisons between Kirk and a character like Indiana Jones. Let’s take a look at some of them.

Kirk is, primarily, an explorer, seeking out new life and new civilizations. Boldly going and all that. Indiana Jones is primarily an archaeologist, seeking out old life and old civilizations, but boldly going as well.

Both Kirk and Jones are learned men at the top of their fields, the best of the best. And they do whatever they feel they must to get the job done. If that means bending a few rules and regulations along the way, so be it.

Neither Kirk nor Jones make it a priority to seek out danger, but if they are in a dangerous situation, they both meet it with unflinching resolve and courage. Both characters also realize that, despite their best intentions, trouble often seems to find them easily, so they prepare for it whenever possible.

Kirk and Jones are also both deft at thinking on their feet and using their intelligence as well as their fists to get out of trouble.

Finally, both characters have a knack for finding that odd kernel of humor in even the most dire situations. That “how did I get myself into this mess?” trait goes a long way toward endearing them to us.

The way I see it, Mr. Pine could do much, much worse than look to an actor like Harrison Ford and a character like Indiana Jones for inspiration. I have no problem with his comparisons at all.

58. noirgwio - March 11, 2008

#57, Well said! :D

59. Mr Lerpa - March 11, 2008

#57, Spot on. I wish that people would stop being so literal about everything they read. Pine is looking for influence away from Shatner’s portrayal of the Kirk character. The last thing I want to see is someone impersonation William Shatner, that’s what Jim Carrey does when he wants people to laugh at him, and that last thing I want to do when I see this film is laugh at the performances!

60. Cato the Llama - March 11, 2008

I’m going to agree with the point that Kirk could have been a little more like Ford’s characters earlier on in his life. Who’s to say Kirk would have always been the same? We only saw him from the time he was Captain of the Enterprise . . . and had a few references to the days when he was a Lieutenant on the Farragut. He could easily have been brash, unpredictable, and one of those “accidental heroes.” Something “accidental” in his life might have put him on that path to becoming the great captain he was. And besides, Kirk’s actions with the ladies suggests he may have a little space-pirate in him. ;)

Lets not forget, even the calm restrained Picard was once getting into bar fights with big nasty alien things.

So yeah, Pine may screw this up . . . but he may not. We’re right back where we started . . . reaching for little bits of news and making guesses in the face of their vagueness. :)

61. matt D - March 11, 2008

ot great. He should know Kirk is lost without adventure and miserable without his ship

62. Me - March 11, 2008

Plus on a good note. Indy and Kirk both kick peoples ass. Kirk just does more flying kicks.

63. MikeG - March 11, 2008

I think you have to look at this from the actor’s point of view. Actor’s are always looking for inspiration, in lots of different ways, from lots of different sources. I think there is enough similarity to James Kirk and Indiana Jones as heroic figures to justify using Indy as “source” material to draw from. I don’t think it means Chris Pine will be doing a Harrison Ford imitation any more than he would be doing a William Shatner imitation. Pine could possibly even have said he was using Sean Connery’s James Bond for inspiration, or numerous others… I think the end result is still going to BE Capt. Kirk.

64. Pointy Ears - March 11, 2008

Really it’s not that far of a stretch to be modeling Kirk after Indiana Jones .
In fact, one could argue that Indiana Jones has more in common with Kirk then Kirk has with Indiana Jones .
Quick snappy come backs are a hall mark of who Kirk is.
Hand to hand combat is another aspect Kirk is known for.
And of course all the girls want him. Sound familiar doesn’t it.
Even Han Solo had Kirk mannerisms.
Kirk may have been an intelligent military career man, but he did an awful lot of things no other captain in Star Fleet did that we know of.
It certainly will be more in line with the Kirk we know then what Picard was turned into in TNG movies, which was basically a Kirk mixed with a Bruce Willis.

65. Cervantes - March 11, 2008

Mmmm, going by the latest poll, the majority of folks here DON’T think a ‘grumpy’ Han Solo-alike is the proper way to go Chris…

66. Evan, North of the 49th - March 11, 2008

Kirk won’t be anything more or less than J.J. Abrams wants him to be.

67. diabolk - March 11, 2008

Excuse me while I kil myself.

68. Giuseppe - March 11, 2008

If it don’t talk like a Kirk or act like a Kirk, then definitely it ain’t a Kirk :))

69. Jeffery Wright - March 11, 2008

han solo, a fine example of a space cowboy, among the best of ‘em, like kirk, malcolm reynolds, starbuck, etc…

70. Nuallain - March 11, 2008

To tell you the truth, now that Pine’s said it, I can see it. They’re both characters who’d respond to finding themselves surrounded by gun toting goons with a sardonic “Aw man, can’t I catch a break?” look, a sigh, and a handing over of their weapon.

And they’re both the type of characters who don’t pretend to be unafraid, or immune to pain, or not stressed out — but do what they need to do anyway.

I could totally see Harrison Ford doing that “Spock? … Spock? … Er, now would be a good time to beam me out. SPOCK?” type of bit.

71. Sarah James - March 11, 2008

Whoa that’s a slap in Bill’s face. Oh my.
Well, Chris, what has Shatner done to you?

72. Sebi - March 11, 2008

He’s got it all wrong….

I love Ford, especially on Indy and SW, but that’s no Kirk damnit??!?!
Has Chris seen some TOS episodes yet???

Again, he’s got it aaaaaallll wrong….

Seems like a bad business deciction to me…

73. thomoz - March 11, 2008

If we needed a dead-on impersonation of Shatner in our recast Kirk . . .
they shoulda hired Jason Alexander.

Enough said! Let Pine play it however he and Abrams see fit!

74. Iowagirl - March 11, 2008

C’mon folks – Kirk, the “accidental hero” with that Harrison Ford kind of humour. That’s great, that’s new. I mean, if you like your Kirk as being determined, knowing exactly why he is where he is, and with that kirkish kind of action and that kirkish kind of humour, forget about it. But if you always disliked that Kirk anyway, here ya go.

75. I Love My Moogie - March 11, 2008

#44: “The young Kirk that I remember was a swashbuckling rebel who didn’t listen to the rules. He hated the whole regulation thing, and didn’t mind bending them to get done what he wanted. If Pine tried to imitate the side of Kirk that was very dedicated to his job, I would be disappointed. That was one of Kirk’s charms, was his rebellious flare”

Kirk was always a Starfleet Officer who honored the integrity of his duty. Yes, he bent rules when required but he was nevert a maverick like Indy. At his trial in TUC Kirk accepted conviction as a Starfleet captain responsible for the behavior of his crew. To say he hated regulations is incorrect, he was the Federation’s greatest hero. Kirk is a man of stature, to suggest otherwise is a disrespect for a man who twice literally saved the very exsistance of this planet.

76. CanuckLou - March 11, 2008

Chill folks. Inspiration and mimicing are two way different beasts.

The adventure continues…

77. Stanky McFibberich - March 11, 2008

re: 24. Xai – March 10, 2008
“why do these actors always catch foot in mouth disease?”

And why must we be offered every word they utter?

Because there IS NO news.

78. star trackie - March 11, 2008

While I certainly think Kirk is where he wants to be, I do see the similarities. Many times Kirk would find himself in the middle of some bad situation and you could see it in his face. Shatner and Harrison Ford are very similar in how they play this type of scenario. Whether Kirk is been thrown into a cell with Yangs or trying to talk his way out of a fight with a towering opponent on Rura Penthe. It’s a great character trait of Kirk and Shatner pulls off that “uh oh” feeling to perfection, as does Harrison Ford.

Now, why Pine, as Kirk, is influenced by Ford doing it as Indy, rather than Shatner doing it, as Kirk, is anybody’s guess.

79. Phil123 - March 11, 2008

Some people get so worked up by the littlest statements. Serously worried? If I were Pine, or any of the others, I think i would start saying things like this on purpose, just the stir up some trouble.

Yeah, I’m taking most of my inspiration Rocky, i think his just keep punchin’ approch is really what i want to caputure for this role

80. FREAKAZOID - March 11, 2008

Does this mean we’ll get a scene where a Klingon jumps in front of Kirk with a batleth and Kirk just zaps him with his phaser becasue he has to go rescue the damsel in distress? That would be funny! :p

81. diabolik - March 11, 2008

Kirk is not Indy or Solo. He is Kirk, based on Shatner, not Ford.

What’s so hard about behaving that way? I don’t get it. Kirk is based on Shatner’s performance. Not someone else. If Pine were doing a young Solo or Indy, that would be fine. But he’s doing KIRK. Who was done first by SHATNER.

I’m puzzled.

82. diabolik - March 11, 2008

Based on his theory, if he were portraying Elvis he should take his cues from Johnny Cash.

83. Jon - March 11, 2008

This is a case of “damned if you do and damned if you don’t.” Chris Pine needs to not worry about what anyone thinks (aside from himself and JJ) and look to the finest attributes that Shatner displayed in portraying the iconic Kirk. Not play “Shatner” but look to what Shatner did in this role to endear him to all of us. There’s a difference. James Cawley–with each new episode–has been doing this more and more successfully. There’s just enough Shatner in him to bring a smile to our faces, yet he is slowly making the historic role his own. *Concentrate on the qualities Chris! The rest will take care of itself.

84. Ripped Shirt Kirk - March 11, 2008

I guess it’s a good thing Pine not saying much because when He says sh*t come out.
Apart from both frequently be in though spots, kirk has nothing in comon with Indiana Jones.

85. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - March 11, 2008

What Chris Pine says shouldn’t be treated as sacrilegious, but taken in the light of his craft. Chris Pine is an actor, so he’s bound to appreciate the nuances in a number of different professionals, and incorporate them into his characters in subtle ways. So he appreciates what Harrison Ford brought to the characters of Han Solo and Indiana Jones; maybe he even thinks that Ford is a better actor than Shatner (can you blame him?). That doesn’t mean he’s going to ignore Shatner’s performance of Kirk in the least. Pine is just talking about one source which may color his performances in certain ways.

86. Jack - March 11, 2008

that could be cool, but still has to be enthusiastic when playing kirk, like will shatner was.

87. Iowagirl - March 11, 2008

#76
Maybe I’m wrong, but I think it’s the *inspiration* quite a few people are getting a bit worried about…

#78
You mention some interesting similarities.
My guess as to your last sentence: Turning away from the original actor’s portrayal might decrease the risk of being compared with him.

88. British Naval Dude - March 11, 2008

Arrrrr…
just a comment from Pine and that’s all… doesn’t mean anythin’ with Indy fever spreadin’…

Now if he said, “I really modeled my performance from the captain. I even watched all the episodes of Quantam Leap to capture him well.”
oh, boy….
Send him some tapes of “Mrs. Columbo”…

arrrrrr….

89. star trackie - March 11, 2008

#83 “There’s a difference. James Cawley–with each new episode–has been doing this more and more successfully. There’s just enough Shatner in him to bring a smile to our faces…”

To some faces, perhaps. To others, his performance is a strong example of everything that can go wrong with a re-cast.

JJ is a competant director who knows what he wants. I’m sure he’ll be able to bring out some very Kirk/Shatner-like moments from Pine, whether Pine is aware of it or not.

90. AdamTrek - March 11, 2008

Anthony, is that photo of Pine as Kirk real? It looks like it’s just the hat that’s photoshopped.

Please advise.

AdamTrek out.

91. mikko - March 11, 2008

The focus of these comments, by and large, seems to be too caught up in canon and not mindful enough of the practical side of things. Let the actor do his work and bring his professionalism to the role, and then make the judgment.
Someone harsher than i would argue that we, as (predominantly) non-actors, have no right to any strong opinions on this matter.
Comment #85 is spot-on here.

The last time i checked, acting was about the interpretation of a role. The character is James Kirk; this is entirely independent of who’s acting it.
It just so happens that Shatner is the Kirk-portrayer we know and love… but that portrayal is his INTERPRETATION of the character. There are doubtlessly multiple ways to interpret a character!
Another actor is entitled to interpret the Kirk character in whatever way. If he draws influence from the Harrison Ford roles, then so be it. Yet it is foolish to construe remarks about that into the idea that Pine’s Kirk will be Indiana Jones. Let’s be a bit more nuanced; ‘influence’ can be subtle, too.

This will depend on the actor, and on the director. Is there only one way to interpret Hamlet? Much like how in music, is there only one way to play Bach?

92. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - March 11, 2008

Han Solo almost got roasted and eaten by Ewoks. Kirk was submerged in a deluge of hungry Tribbles. Coincidence? I think not… ;-)

93. notbob - March 11, 2008

So, does this mean Kirk shoots Greedo only to have JJ Abrams change it twenty years later so that Greedo shoots too?

Seriously folks, don’t look too deep into the remark. He did not say he was going to play Kirk as Han Solo or Indiana. Just borrow some qualites. and who knows maybe he’ll end up being a surprise hit of the movie.

Besides, after all of the casting news was mentioned I realized that this is a remake in spite of what everyone is saying. They just don’t want to piss off the die hards before the film comes out–which is understandable. But die hards are already ticked. The Enterprise is built in Area 51. Kirk is not shown as a person who studies hard and does not like to lose (thus his cheating) but instead is a slacker who doesn’t work hard and has someone cheat for him.

94. Jorg Sacul - March 11, 2008

“I dunno…I’ve been from one side of the galaxy to the other and I’ve seen a lot of strange things. But only one possible interpretation of playing a role in Star Trek?…

“It’s not wise to upset a Vulcan…”

“Jimmy, the DOG’s name was Sam!”

“Spaaaahk! I’ve…gotabadfeeling…about this!”

(any woman in the galaxy) I love you!
KIRK: I know…

“Tribbles…why did it have to be tribbles…?”

Pointing to Spock, “HE’S the brains, sweetheart!!”

Kirk, giving the con to DeSalle, “You promise, not a scratch, right??”

one last one…

Scotty to Kirk, at their first meeting on the Enterprise: “I’ve made a few special modifications myself, she’ll be fast enough for you, laddie.”

95. Closettrekker - March 11, 2008

#28–”I guess using The Shat as a templette for Kirk would be silly, huh?”

If by “template”, you mean as something to imitate, then yes—it would be silly.
What I get from his words is a respect for the way Ford approaches action scenes. His character’s always seem to come off very believable in such situations. I have always liked that about him as well, and I think this is appropriate. After all, Kirk is not a super hero—-he is a human being. I don’t think anything should be read into this other than that, but some will look in any direction in which they can find something negative.

96. Denise de Arman - March 11, 2008

Mikko#91- Speaking as someone who has tripped the boards on the stage, I question Pine’s ability to portray a command candidate in a military organization while drawing on the everyman mistique. In evaluating his statements concerning his Indy inspiration, one can only hope that his comments are aimed at engendering anticipation for the movie in the minds of an only-action/adventure audience. Also, Nimoy’s judgment does rank high in my own view, so I will reserve my own judgment until May 2009.

97. Denise de Arman - March 11, 2008

Closettrekker#95- You are comfortable with Pine’s statements, Closet?

98. Captain Otter - March 11, 2008

So here we have a film where a very young Kirk finds out via some time-traveling old vulcan that he (Kirk) is supposed to become a great Captain. Yeah- the acidental hero thing sounds right. Think Zephram Cochran from First Contact. Yeah- I think Pine found a brilliant angle. I’m sure in later films, Pine will grow the character into the confident hero we want Captain Kirk to be. But Cadet Kirk or Ensign Kirk or even Lt. Kirk in this flick should be a little overwhelmed this go-’round.

99. JMD - March 11, 2008

This is the life. Now if anyone has seen Casino Royale Bond was not as polished with his martini lines. He was sucker punched by a woman in the old heart, he was more brutal than soothe. Hey there were still some bond qualities there just not refined. That is the way of youth. A young Kirk does not have to be a great leader born. He can evolve from brashness. The Kirk that we know and love is 30-60 years old ,he will be set. How many of us started out the way we are now. We all had our dalliences with substances that we should not have.We might have rebelled against the rules. Being young is about being reckless and learning from the mistakes. I do not think that Harrison Ford as an inspiration for Kirk is such a reprehensible idea. I can see the connnection for young people to enjoy the total leading man status of the characters that he played. I do not think that it is the end all of making a character work. I am not worried. There are too many real problems out there to worry about. A movie based on a TV show is something that could either be a fun diversion or a waste of time. ONce that is down in the brain process it and realize that it is supposed to be fun escapist entertainment. There are no worries here.
I as a fan can always go back to my books , movies ,and reruns of the countless Trek shows out there if I need to reconnect to the “REAL” Trek…
Seriously. Get real. I have to go and pay the rent now. Live long and prosper ,yo!

100. A Familiar Voice - March 11, 2008

The hero of the Starship Enterprise was also the man who was given a citation for original thinking, remember? For the Kobayashi Maru test, as a cadet?

How did he succeed in doing that?

Yes — by cheating in a creative way.

Kirk did not hesitate to redefine the parameters of any situation in order to win. Remember how he defeated Khan through artful misrepresentation of the truth? Remember how he dismantled the Reliant’s shields? Remember how he also later misled Khan almost literally by subterfuge, transporting himself and others directly into the core of the Genesis planetoid?

Remember how, as a man of action, he personally assumed great risks to save the Enterprise-B in Generations?

This is something that Indiana Jones also did. Remember the scene where, confronted with a swordsman, he simply took out a gun and dispatched him?

Indiana Jones, I think, does fit the character of Kirk, and more so than does Han Solo.

I look forward to seeing the results of Pine’s characterization. It’ll be fun.

101. A Familiar Voice - March 11, 2008

One more thing: When I think of a strictly-by-the-book military man, I don’t think of Kirk, by any means. Nor even of Picard.

Rather, I think of Captain Stiles, of the tranwarp-equippred Excelsior, in The Search for Spock. And I think we all know how just how well all his military rigor and prowess served him in that particular case.

102. Closettrekker - March 11, 2008

#97—I think too much is being made of it. I also believe that Harrison Ford’s aproach to acting in an action sequence is one that any actor could take a page from.

Now, I’m not talking about Star Wars. Ford has always been the 1st to say that SW was not his best acting. However, his characters of Indiana Jones, Jack Ryan, and Richard Kimball are good examples. I would love to see Pine approach his action sequences in that manner!

Surely no one here is suggesting that the Shat (as much as we love him) is a better actor than Harrison Ford…?

103. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - March 11, 2008

In the spirit of #94…

Spock: Captain, the possibility of successfully navigating an asteroid field is approximately 3,720 to 1.
Kirk: Never tell me the odds.

104. CW - March 11, 2008

It could be worse: He could be channeling Jean Claude VanDame instead of Harrison Ford. Or even Steven Segal……

105. Jim - March 11, 2008

First thing I thought of is this scene in “Raiders of the Lost Ark” :

Marion: Do you have a plan?
Indy: No, I’m just making this up as I go along.

I can see that aspect of Kirk’s character – improvising when the chips are down and the odds are against him. What better example do you need than his reaction in “The Corbomite Maneuver”?

How many times did Kirk bluff or improvise his way out of a bad siutation with that sh*t eating grin on his face? Drawing on Ford’s portrayal for “inspiration” for that aspect of Kirk’s character does not surprise or trouble me in the least.

106. Andy Patterson - March 11, 2008

Just taking it on face value of the highlited teaser at the top of the article, and not reading any further, or putting anymore complex, or politically correct understanding and thought into my feeling on this – I say BOO.

I mean, the subject matter is already there to study, buddy boy.

107. Denise de Arman - March 11, 2008

Closet#102- Gotta argue with you on this one. I am not a must-have-Shat-in-the-movie-gal, or even a “purist” in Trek thinking. However, Shatner was doing classic theatre, in English and in French, before Ford probably even began thinking of acting. Perhaps Shat’s propensity toward accepting lesser quality roles throughout his career colors your judgment of his talent. Do you mean to say that you think Ford, given the right age, would have more skillfully portrayed Kirk than Shatner?

108. Andy Patterson - March 11, 2008

22. Katie G. – March 10, 2008
Well, bless his little heart for being honest, but maybe that wasn’t the best thing to share.

And Katie G…..that is the funniest thing I’ve heard or read all day. I love biting, dripping sarcasm. At least that’s how I read it. Very well put. Funny.

109. Denise de Arman - March 11, 2008

Andy#106- I second your BOO and raise you 200 quatloos.

110. Joe - March 11, 2008

Maybe Pine was addressing the swagger that Kirk always had & that “trust me” smirk he often gave to Spock, when Spock wasn’t sure what getting-out-of-trouble scheme Kirk was up to.

But Kirk also had this vulnerable side to himself, unsure he was making the right decisions, partly because of his youth & strong emotions.

It coud be Pine was trying to keep the character well-rounded & realistic?

111. Denise de Arman - March 11, 2008

Mickey#38- LOL!

112. Daoud - March 11, 2008

Shatner’s a great reference for Kirk at 34.

Pine’s absolutely doing the right thing in looking for models of Kirk at younger ages. He certainly wasn’t the same man at 14, 19, 24 or 29 as he became by age 34.

We have only small references to Kirk at the Academy, as has been mentioned. Those references aren’t quite enough to know exactly what Kirk was like. Channelling how a young Harrison Ford might have portrayed the role is A-OK. At 19, midway through the academy, Kirk likely was grim, all purposeful intent… then when he got out “there” his attitude changed. He became more dangerous… Solo-esque. By 24, he’s back at the Academy doing post-grad work, teaching a class, sobered up and a stack of books. By 29, he’s reluctantly out there again, much like Indiana Jones.

Seems fair to me what Pine’s doing. We shouldn’t necessarily recognize Kirk in the early parts of the movie: the whole point of the movie is his development into the Kirk we know.

Inasmuch as Spock is a focal point of the movie, it’s very clear the movie’s about the maturation of one James T. Kirk. Nero and the timetravel elements with Old Spock are merely the McGuffin to allow us to “revisit” many times during Kirk’s young life and early career.

113. Hat Rick - March 11, 2008

Good points, No. 112. Let’s also keep in mind that, in addition to being a swashbuckling adventurer, Indian Jones was a well-respected professor at a prestigious university. Few places have more rules or are less tolerant of flouting them than such a university, especially in the 1930′s. Indiana was therefore capable of both following the rules and, where necessary, flouting them.

You could argue that Indiana’s alter ego was that of a professor, or you could argue the reverse. But either way, he managed to prosper in both roles.

Kirk was a complex man — an officer, a fighter, a gentleman, a problem-solver, a romantic, an adventurer, a thrill-seeker (Remember his cliff-climbing in Star Trek V? It was supposed to be space-diving.), and a loyal friend. He managed to make all of these roles work, almost all of the time. He was by-the-book (“By the book” — Star Trek II, when hours were meant by days), but only when the situation called for it. Above all, he sought what worked in pursuit of goals he thought were most important, against daunting odds that at first seemed insurmountable. In many respects, this was also the kind of man that Indiana Jones was.

(By the way, isn’t it a coincidence that O & K are talking about Indy at the same time that Chris Pine is looking to Indy as one of his models for Kirk?)

114. Garovorkin - March 11, 2008

112 plus comment already on this topic, oh man . I think Pine would have been a lot wiser not to have made this statement in the first place, considering the volatile nature of Trekdom, Personally, if he wants to go the Harrison Ford route with this, Hey I have no problem with his approach.

115. Closettrekker - March 11, 2008

#107–”Do you mean to say that you think Ford, given the right age, would have more skillfully portrayed Kirk than Shatner?”

Not at all. But that doesn’t mean that incorporating some “Ford influence” into his approach to action sequences isn’t welcome to me. I don’t think that Pine’s comments are meant to say any more than that.

116. Sarah James - March 11, 2008

I’m not a Shatner fan (which means I’m not a fan of Shatner’s outside of Trek, or in his later Trek years). But I do appreciate and like his contribution to TOS. Ideally somebody should have put a damper on Shatner’s ego but well…TOS turned out to be magic anyway.

I see no reason not to base the character on Shatner’s early performance for it created the character in the first place. If Pine tries to base it on another hero-type, then he’s not going to play Jim Kirk, I’m afraid.

So, dear Chris Pine, whatever Bill Shatner has done to you (the man has stepped on many toes during the coarse of his long career), get over it and do credit to the role. Don’t forget who breathed life into this part and why. And then I’m sure you’ll be doing fine.

117. Cobra Commander - March 11, 2008

Yes #107! That’s the reference I was hoping someone would recall, Denise . . .
Shatner said when he began to explore the Kirk character, he had just previously portrayed Alexander the Great. Classic theatre.
Shatner has also explained ST’s appeal over the decades as our need for mythology. Star Trek is mythology for our modern times. Indy & Star Wars has the same “modern mythology” appeal that Star Trek does. The epic nature of these stories and the epic nature of heroes like Kirk and Indy/Solo is the common thread. I think that’s what Chris Pine would have said had he been a little more articulate. “Pine will do fine” is my new motto. (And I’m sure JJ will drag a proper Kirk out of Pine if he has to!)

118. Closettrekker - March 11, 2008

#116—So Christopher Reeve wasn’t really playing Clark Kent/Superman? After all, there is hardly any resemblance in his performance to that of his predecessor, George Reeves.
Pine isn’t “basing” Jim Kirk on Indiana Jones, but rather incorporating some of Ford’s style in his approach. That’s not the same thing, and a bit of an overreaction, IMO.
Furthermore, Chris Pine has been extremely respectful to Bill Shatner, having reached out to him since his casting. So far, all Bill has mustered in response is a bit of playful ribbing and the advice to “play it straight”. I have heard nothing but admiration out of Pine for the contribution of The Shat, and it shouldn’t be inferred or suggested that there is any alterior motive.

#112 makes a good point, and one that I have raised before. It may be very likely that we will see little of Kirk at the age and position which we are accustomed to. Pine will portray Jim Kirk at a much earlier point in his career, and as a man in his late teens and early twenties. He is 34 at the start of TOS. As we all are, Kirk was very likely quite different as a young man in his 20′s than he was as a man in his mid-30′s and beyond.

119. Lord Garth, Formerly of Izar - March 11, 2008

Yikes !!!! Not exactly what I wanted to hear !!!!!

120. Sarah James - March 11, 2008

#118
I don’t think Pine is bashing Shatner
But I do think Pine is concentrating so much on trying not to copy Shatner that he’s losing sight of his goal, which basically is to take on a legendary character and bring new life to him with his own interpretation. Which would be welcome as long as his “own” interpretation doesn’t remind me of Harrison Ford.

Anyhow, I’m not one of the pessimists out here and my motto is:
Pine will do fine.

121. Lord Garth, Formerly of Izar - March 11, 2008

Does Chris have visions of this:

http://i188.photobucket.com/albums/z138/bearsturf/P1010711.jpg

dancing in his head???

122. star trackie - March 11, 2008

The proof in the pudding will be when Chris Pine, stands toe to toe with Leonard Nimoy, as Spock, and does a scene, as Spock’s old friend Jim Kirk.

Either it will feel right, or it will feel oddly out of place. Let’s hope the stars align and it feels “right”.

123. Closettrekker - March 11, 2008

122—Well said.

124. AdamTrek - March 11, 2008

Folks, I’m a huge Trekkie and a lot of your comments are very small-minded and lack trust and faith in the production (i.e. JJ and the script, etc.)

Chris Pine could say he’s modeling his portrayal of Kirk off of Tom Cruise’s Maverick in Top Gun for all I care…

Actually, that’s not bad.

In any case, I have faith in the movie. Once we see it will our final answers be heard. By box office receipts.

125. Chance - March 11, 2008

Booo…be kirk, not Harrison Ford. And I’m not ‘on eof those’ trekkies, but I believe that part of the character of Kirk was how Shatner acted him, and this sounds like pine is just changing everything…Kirk was who he was…and a guy who was just trying to ‘get through this’ was not who he was.

126. President John Fitzgerald Kennedy's Excalbian Duplicate - March 11, 2008

The very things that made Star Trek a success they would now take away, with a slap in the face to Shatner comment like that by that young upstart Pine!

Pine needs to do a rethink I think about what he just said and I hope he reads this page!

Chris Pine , my friend…Let the Real Captain Kirk (Shatner) be your guide!

SHATNERS KIRK IS WAAAY Cooler than Hans Solo…
any day of the week.

your welcome young man!

regards,
President Kennedy

127. Spud - March 11, 2008

Chris Pine

Your Homework assignment is to watch this clip over and over until he gets the double fisted chop down to the letter. In essence this was and still is the basic core of being James T. Kirk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwQZWdzDwTo&mode=related&search=

128. Closettrekker - March 11, 2008

“Not to say that I modeled my version of James T Kirk on anything in particular but I think I definitely have wanted to bring that kind of Harrison Ford humour to Kirk.”—–Chris Pine

Some of you sure can make a mountain out of a molehill!

129. Captain Scokirk - March 11, 2008

Free Enterprise sums this up perfectly

Young Rob: “he said Han Solo was cooler than Captain Kirk !!!”

“Imaginary Bill” : ” Kick the little f@#kers ass !”

130. Jorg Sacul - March 11, 2008

I still think Gary Mitchell should be played by Matt Damon. Young Kirk needed Mitchell by his side, which is very revealing of his younger self. Mitchell was the bad boy, Kirk was the straight-laced fellow. It took being friends with Spock for him to find his humanity, just as being friends with Mitchell relieved him of being “positively grim” at the Academy.

But Pine basing his motivation/performance on Harrison Ford? Why not. Ford always makes his hero characters very human. I say it’s a good call.

131. steve623 - March 11, 2008

“Folks, I’m a huge Trekkie and a lot of your comments are very small-minded and lack trust and faith in the production (i.e. JJ and the script, etc.)”

Anybody else a little creeped out by this? “lack trust and faith in the production”? What has “the production” done that should have earned my “faith” and “trust”? Its a movie production, not a religion. Some of you seem to think the only way to approach this picture is to assume its going to be the best thing that ever happened. Some people prefer to use some critical thinking. If “the prouction” doesn’t want every little statement that comes out parsed to pieces, maybe they should open up the process a little more instead of treating the film like a family secret. As it stands now, chiding people for lacking “trust and faith” in a film they haven’t seen a single frame of is a bit too far in my book.

132. The Quickening - March 11, 2008

Since this is a young Kirk, I’m sure Pine is developing a model to follow based on looking at the old Kirk and then imagining how he would be younger. At least I hope he is. The Indie example alone, is too simplistic. I can see Pine borrowing the humor of Fords’ Indie; or borrowing the ladies man romantic lover of Connerys’ Bond; or borrowing the action cuffs from Willis’ John Maclaine; or borrowing the intelligence of Sherlock Holmes. By mentioning only one model, though, he comes off as naive. I don’t see the romantic character that Kirk was in Indie, but I do in Connerys’ Bond, etc.

Pine’s comments come off like he’s name dropping STAR WARS: something that most of the producers of ST: Xl have been constantly doing. Now, I guess they will start name dropping INDIANA JONES. In fact, they already have. Orci and Kurtzman did it the other day. PR anyone?! I like STAR WARS and INDIANA JONES, but don’t love them. I hope this film doesn’t go in that direction. I think that’s a mistake for STAR TREK. I’d rather see them name drop BATMAN BEGINS. That, I think is a much better model of what this film, and what more contemporary escapist entertainment should be like, especially if it’s more cerebral and adult, like STAR TREK must be to work. IMO.

133. Diabolik - March 11, 2008

Well, let’s see…. Shattner played Kirk, Ford played Indy and Solo…

But Pine is playing Kirk…

Hmm, wonder who he should look to for the character behaviorial cues?

Wow, that’s a toughie…

Good thing he’s not playing a young Indy.. he might look to Jimmy Stewart.

134. Closettrekker - March 11, 2008

#131—The problem with your “critical thinking” approach, is there isn’t enough information to make real conclusions. It is perfectly reasonable to express doubt, but that is certainly not all that goes on here. This article is a perfect example.

“Not to say that I modeled my version of James T Kirk on anything in particular but I think I definitely have wanted to bring that kind of Harrison Ford humour to Kirk.”—Chris Pine

From this small tidbit, some have concluded that Pine will play James Kirk as Han Solo or Indiana Jones. Critical thinking? I think not.

135. Closettrekker - March 11, 2008

#133—”Good thing he’s not playing a young Indy.. he might look to Jimmy Stewart”

I would question looking to River Phoenix! That much is certain.

136. Pat Payne - March 11, 2008

Guys…chill. He’s saying that he’s taking the inspiration for his ACTING STYLE from Ford’s portrayals. Not that he’s going to turn Kirk into Han Solo in lime-green (that looks gold under studio lighting) velour. (The last thing we need here is a “Kirk shot first” debate… or DO we? :P :P :P )

137. Andy Patterson - March 11, 2008

127

I think you’re refering to what a one martial arts magazine called Shatner’s “Kirk Fu”. Never seen it duplicated. That’s be a cool addition. to his characterization.

138. Garovorkin - March 11, 2008

The Harrison ford thing could definitly be a help to his perfromance as Kirk, it might be a way for him to make the role this own and still pay homage to Willaim Shatner. Kirk was always a an adventurer, deboneur loose canon, he did on occasion break the rules , example being his way of passing the Kobiashi Maru test, as he stated” I don’t believe in the no win situation” He believed in try to change the circumstance to achieve the right out come, some would call this cheating, but as Mr Spock observed of his Maru test “They found your solution to the problem unique.

139. Commodore Lurker - March 11, 2008

Decloaking . . .

To: #5 Garovorkin: Right on man, and thanks for the “Roughnecks” info this weekend.

Toss me a lifejacket.

Given that I was already squirming about Ocri’s and Kurtzman’s history of excessively contemporary ‘L.A. Dude’ dialog in “Hercules” and “Xenia” and “Transformers”, Chris Pine’s comments have me worried.

But then again, in TNG’s “Tapestry” we saw the young Picard as being vastly different from the Captain we all know and most of us love.

So maybe this will play out. With lifejacket on, I’m . . .

Recloaking.

140. Shatner_Fan_2000 - March 11, 2008

#130 “Young Kirk needed Mitchell by his side, which is very revealing of his younger self. Mitchell was the bad boy, Kirk was the straight-laced fellow. It took being friends with Spock for him to find his humanity, just as being friends with Mitchell relieved him of being ‘positively grim’ at the Academy.”

Good summary, Jorg! I never really thought of it that way before. Years ago I saw the VHS box for WNMHGB, and the summary on the back had words to the effect of, “As one friendship ends, another is just beginning…” Your insight expands upon that nicely!

141. Garovorkin - March 11, 2008

#139 Lurker did you see the other suggestions I made in that same comment section? I think you’ll like what you see. look at the comment lines again.

142. RedStatesRule - March 11, 2008

I haven’t read all the comments but keep in mind. This is a younger Kirk than we’ve previously known and previously been used to. Good for Pine for not copying what’s already been done. We’ve seen that. Just think about how insights, outlooks, and character change as people get older. That’s really what we’ll be seeing here. What would be interesting to see would be Pine’s Kirk changing into Shatner’s Kirk as he loses all the things from his former personal life and becomes a very different kind of Kirk.

143. Spud - March 11, 2008

137

James T. Kirk 101
Better perfect that flying double side-kick, Jim.

5. Karate chop to the neck, double-booted kick, and repeat.

When squaring off against Klingon, Romulan, or reptilian aliens wearing gold-sequined vests, remember: there’s no better offense than a triple-threat of Kirk-Fu:

Karate chop to the neck is Kirk’s signature move, second only to a full-body, double kick. The chop is a quick bring-back of the hand at a 90-degree angle and down, rendering any opponent both unconscious and no doubt wondering how they didn’t see that move coming.

In the rare event the move should fail, prepare to follow it with either a sharp jab or a cupped, double-handed blow, affectionately called the Rigel Death Rattle.
http://stars.ign.com/articles/828/828171p1.html

And something everyone is forgetting about. The famous Kirk walk. Like more on his toes instead of on the ball of his feet.

“My God bones what have I done. What you had to do. What you always do. Turn death into a fighting chance to live.”

144. Commodore Lurker - March 11, 2008

Decloaking . . .

To: 141 Garovorkin, just read it seconds ago. Quartermass sounds familar, but I never saw it. The two Cyborg-type flicks sound interesting as well.

Either you’re old enough to be a “Commodore,” or myself and “Commodore Redshirt” might have to promote you to “Commodore” based on your extensive Science Fiction knowledge!

Either way, thanks again.

Recloaking.

145. Michael Hall - March 11, 2008

Lordy. An actor makes an offhand comment about one source of inspiration for one aspect of the character he’s playing, and the (predictable) response of this board is to largely go nuts.

146. ShawnP - March 11, 2008

Anthony, I don’t like your poll because it’s skewing the results one way or the other in terms of whether Pine should channel Shatner or Ford. Why can’t he draw on both and incorporate elements of both actors? While Pine said he wasn’t copying Shatner, I doubt that he’s not bringing any of the Shatneresque elements to his portrayal. Anyway, I don’t know what that poll is telling you other than that, in terms of a Kirk portrayal, most voters prefer Shatner to Ford…but it’s not like we didn’t see that coming.

147. Cagmar - March 11, 2008

This whole idea of Kirk being like Indy when he was younger… that’s a great excuse. But I have to remind you all of Casino Royale. I don’t care how you slice it, that character in that movie was NOT James Bond. He was not sufficiently debonair, or enough of a smart-ass. That was a great movie without a Bond. So maybe this ST will be a great movie without a Kirk? That’s not good enough.

#57 : Unfortunately you said it, not Pine. Pine didn’t mention any of those points in the way you suggest. I’m not concerned with how you might perceive the roll — but with how Pine does. Sorry.

148. Commodore Lurker - March 11, 2008

Decloaking . . .

To: 142. RedStatesRule.

“What would be interesting to see would be Pine’s Kirk changing into Shatner’s Kirk.”

That is just about the best idea I’ve seen yet about where to take these three films.

Recloaking.

149. ShawnP - March 11, 2008

#145 Michael Hall – Agreed.

150. Denise de Arman - March 11, 2008

Closet#134- The comments Pine made which are of most concern to me are everything in the paragraph above what you quoted: “…if they could be anywhere else in the world they would be there…” Does that sound like Kirk? Kirk is not an everyman action hero – he wants, he needs to be in the middle of whatever situational dangers his ship carries him into. Consequently, Pine’s statement referencing the “accidental hero” is not a Kirkian acolade. One gets the feeling that Kirk has been a leader and hero since pre-school when he was rescuing the smaller kids from the schoolyard bullies.

There’s also a definite personality type which fits Kirk’s character, as well as complex and interesting psychological components. The need to look after everyone and feel of responsibility for the safety of every person in their personal hemisphere – some call it the first born syndrome – is at play in this character consistently in all its visual media. Pine’s reference to an “absolute grumpy manner” does not mesh with this character trait which Kirk has worn on his sleeve since the first episode of Trek.

To any who think psychological variances in the character of Kirk are of no consequence, Pine and Quinto might as well play Kirk and Spock like the Lone Ranger and Tonto. Character is everything, and at the risk of repeating myself, when I performed Juliet, I was not channeling the character of Maggie the Cat from Hot Tin Roof, nor was I thinking “What would I do now if I were really Desdemona” while I portrayed Emily in Our Town.

Pine’s most recent remarks simply do not strike me as coming from a serious thespian interested in continuing a known visual media icon. If the remarks had been, “I will play the character of Kirk with my own inner influence to guide me”, that would be acceptable. However, blithely throwing out two totally different character names as inspiration to his inner muse does not ring bells of celebration to me. I do hope I am proved wrong in May ’09.

151. Sean - March 11, 2008

#147

Sorry, but that was very much James Bond. The first time I’d seen him, in fact, since Dalton or Connery.

152. SoMuchCoolerInPerson - March 11, 2008

I remember David Duchovny once joked that when they made the film version of X-Files they’d get Richard Gere & Jodie Foster to play Mulder & Scully. Maybe Pine is just doing a bit of casting himself by seeing a young Harrison Ford as Kirk. I’ve always thought more than any other actor that Harrison Ford can say pages of dialog in a facial expression & that’s part of his humor & depth as an actor.

Kirk is indeed a military man just as George Armstrong Custer was a military man & West Point graduate. Both were brash, high spirited, sure of themselves & didn’t only think outside the box, but did away with it completely. Their disregard for anyone’s orders but their own are legend & they flirted with court-martial at every decision they made. Kirk is merely a disciplined pirate.

153. Closettrekker - March 11, 2008

#150—I guess the comment which I quoted was the one I thought best summarized the message he was trying to get across. Abrams is the director. If anything Pine wishes to do is unkirk-like, then it is up to him to correct the actor’s approach to that scene. By all accounts, getting a performance out of Shatner that was acceptably toned down enough was a hairpulling experience for directors.

154. Commodore Lurker - March 11, 2008

Decloaking . . .

To: 150. Denise de Arman.

Brilliantly stated, I could not agree more. Though a maturational transition during the three films is an exciting idea as #142 proposed.

I bet you were an alluring Juliet and an awesome Emily.

Recloaking.

155. ShawnP - March 11, 2008

#150 Denise de Arman – Brava for having played Juliet and Emily? Are you wanting accolades or just trying to justify how much better your opinion is than the non-acting layperson? And what’s with attacking Pine’s thespian sensibilities? You’re basing this on what, a 3 or 4 sentence excerpt from an interview?

I vote that we give the man a little credit that he’s approaching this role intelligently. I certainly think Chris Pine is no fool, especially having graduated with an English degree from UC Berkeley, no less. I have no idea whether I will or won’t like his Kirk, but I think I’ll reserve judgment and any pantie-knotting for something that justifies it.

156. 1701 over Gotham City - March 11, 2008

Kirk would have socked Solo on the jaw… hte maverick-yet-military Kirk would have hated him. At least at first.

Anyway…
the statement does irk me, plain and simple. He should be channeling SOME Shatner… he is 95% Kirk, the rest is trivia and plot and writing and such… but the mannerisms, the attitudes… that’s Kirk

157. Garovorkin - March 11, 2008

#150 lurker I think that Chris Pine needs to play Kirk his own way rather the try to be Biil Shatner 2 otherwise his performance will not work. In a way i think young kirk was more like an Indiana Jones then then later. Its kind like the difference between young Picard and old Picard. By the way Quatermass and the Pit Aka Five Million Years to Earth was the name it went under when it was released in North America in 1967 or 68. One of the actors in the movie Julian Glover played the main baddie in Indian Jones and the Last Crusade. Ive been watching scifi for many years I am old enough to remember the last year that both Star trek and Lost in space was on the Air waves, Ive been reading Scifi and Fantasy for almost as long as that. Book you might want to check out Jack Londons only Fantasy Novel The Star Rover, Its about a Death Row inmate who discovers he can Astral Project himself into his past lives, Diffferent then everything lond ever wrote it is an excting and epic read. It not well known at all . Enjoy.

158. Drew - March 11, 2008

Hahha…what is this guy thinking? Has he read any fan discussion?

Ugh…Harrison Ford…I’m sorry but none of his characters have ever held a candle to Shat’s portrayal of Kirk.

159. I Love My Moogie - March 11, 2008

Lets get the bagpipes & play Amazing Grace, for far as I’m concerned Pine confirmed Kirk is STILL DEAD!

160. Drew - March 11, 2008

More and more I am realizing that Pine is not right for this role… someone said it best above…he just does not seem to “get it”–it being what Kirk was and should be.

Bottom line–A bad Kirk will make the rest of the film bad, no matter how great the script.

161. Denise de Arman - March 11, 2008

Closet#153- We agree to disagree, as I respect you as a fellow Trekkie and honest soul (by-the-by, I’ve wondered… what is your beagle’s name?). And I miss Harry too – don’t tell him I said that!

Commodore#154- Thank you – that means alot coming from a high ranking officer with his own cloaked ship…LOL!

Shawn P.#155- No response.

162. Iowagirl - March 11, 2008

Pegg yesterday said that everything was just a tribute to Doohan and that it was his role. Quinto, although often annoying, quite often expressed how much he is honoured to have Nimoy as a guide and role model, and Urban recently said that he would have loved to have Kelley around and spoke about McCoy with much respect. They at least on some occasions are showing their appreciation for the roles and the original actors.

Pine on the other hand wrote a letter to Shatner (wow…), but made it clear from the start that he didn’t want to re-create what Shatner did. Furthermore, he made comments that he doesn’t feel any pressure, the insights he stated with regard to the character weren‘t actually significant, and his most current statement is rather dubious.

Why can’t he just say that he respects the character, why can’t he get more involved with the character before stating anything, why can’t he just express his respect for Shatner, without ifs and buts? He can and should tell us about how he wants to approach the role, but why on earth can’t he do it *after* he’s credibly demonstrated his respect for the role and for the original actor?

Maybe, he just considers all this as unimportant or this attitude is part of the direction Abrams’ marketing strategy is heading for.

I’m fed up with comments like this from the STXI people (exception proves the rule) and the trend they’re trying to activate, and I’m getting more and more disappointed.

Sorry for my rant, and thanks for your patience.

163. Closettrekker - March 11, 2008

#161—Of course, your opinion and mine don’t often differ anyway. But even when it does, isn’t diversity of opinion more fun? The Beagle’s (female) name is “Callie”. Hopefully, Harry will be back soon enough.

#162—I also like Quinto’s displays of appreciation for Nimoy as a rle model, as well as Mr. Takei and Mrs. Nichols offers of support and guidance to their counterparts/successors. Wouldn’t it be nice if Bill were to offer Pine something like that? I don’t think we’ve heard enough from Pine to make an honest and informed judgement either way, and way too much is being construed from some minor quotes.

164. Diabolik - March 11, 2008

In light of this, I suppose we should be grateful that Quinto hasn’t said he’s basing his performance not on Nimoy but Robin Williams’ Mork alien characterization.

165. fakesteve - March 11, 2008

Well, after I beamed myself and the away teams down to lots of planets in the seventies, I trekked across countless jungles in the early eighties…
so here are my two childhood heroes, Jim and Indy. I am convinced that Mr Pine will find his own Kirk, perfect for a new era.

166. Diabolik - March 11, 2008

To put this in context, imagine, like I said above, if Quinto had come out and said similar things about playing the Spock character. It would sound totally wrong.

So, wrong for him, wrong for Pine.

167. Denise de Arman - March 11, 2008

CobraCommander#117- I believe you are right in your accessment of the mythology angle. Joseph Campbell’s mythology constructs do align with the modern heroic characters and if Pine had changed a few words here and there in his statement … well, there would probably still be debate on the board…LOL!

I did like your last line about JJ dragging a proper performance out of Pine!

168. Garovorkin - March 11, 2008

#158 yes drew I do read the discussions, This was just an observation , I wasnt implying that Shatner had a fetish fro archeology and carried a whip and all that im just saying in terms of adventurousness and desire to explore ther was common thread between the two characters Indieis a little more reckless like a young James T Kirk was. just an observation thats all.

169. Ty Webb - March 11, 2008

Lets hope Pine isn’t using this film as a way to live out his Han Solo fantasy.

170. Denise de Arman - March 11, 2008

Diabolik#164- I’ve never seen Mork, but your analogy sounds valid… and funny.

171. Diabolik - March 11, 2008

However, that said, it could still turn out okay if Abrams gets the performance he wants out of him.

172. Drew - March 11, 2008

168, I wasn’t directing that at you… I meant Pine when I said “What is this guy thinking?”

lolzerinos.

173. Thomas - March 11, 2008

Has it not occurred to anyone on these boards that Pine wants to play this character as his own and as is his right? The producers must have seen something in him that they felt fit the role. Pine looking to other characters/actors for influence is not necessarily a bad thing. In Pine’s case, it may be a very good thing. Chris Pine is in the inenviable position of having to portray a character whose persona has been parodied and lampooned time and time again. This may be part of a deliberate effort by Pine to avoid turning his portayal of Kirk into some kind of mocking caricature. Not only that, but by all accounts, this may be the most confidence Paramount has demonstrated in Trek in a long time, if not ever. Pine and the producers must be doing something right.

174. Garovorkin - March 11, 2008

#172 Drew terribly Sorry, I am having a really bad Day, did not mean to butt in.

175. British Naval Dude - March 11, 2008

Chris Pine
Actor on the set
Chris Pine
His way- you bet
Chris pine
Do only what JJ say
Chris Pine
Can’t have it the fan’s way

OK- I’ll stop and admit I have NO IDEA whatsoever who Chris Pine is…

Really… so not knwong anything about him I don’t fret o’er his comments…

No clue as to who he is at all really…
Sorry mate
arrrrr…..

176. AdamTrek - March 11, 2008

#131 steve623

You didn’t understand what I was getting at. It’s it’s the same stuff that’s being overanalyzed about Chris Pine’s comments. An actor is an actor. I could care less what they say about their character. The direction that they are TOLD to do as well as the overall feel of the PRODUCTION is what matters at day’s end.

You’re right. It’s not a religion. It’s just a friggin’ movie. I’m a trekkie and I do have FAITH that they are making Star Trek history with this film. I take this comment by Pine in context with all other tidbits that we’ve received over the last months. Put them all together, and it seems like it is definitely in good hands.

#134 – Closettrekker

Thank you. That was my point. Perhaps I try to be a bit too cerebral in my wording.

177. Iowagirl - March 11, 2008

#163
- Wouldn’t it be nice if Bill were to offer Pine something like that? -

IMO, that would make too great demands on Shatner in light of the recent history, and Pine’s attitude might not be conducive in this regard. Maybe, an interaction like this wouldn’t be favored by Abrams either, which of course is a mere assumption on my part.

178. Denise de Arman - March 11, 2008

Iowagirl- So did you and Gary ever decide on the honeymoon destination? Seems he said something earlier about Risa….

179. Closettrekker - March 11, 2008

#173—Those points are not lost on many of us.

#176—Yes. I think many seem to be under the mistaken impression that an actor is free to do whatever he sees fit with a character and in a particular scene. If Pine had an Oscar on his mantle, that might be closer to being true, but that is not the case. JJ Abrams doesn’t come off to me as somene who would relinquish his directing authority to Chris Pine, just so he can play Han solo or anything else. I’m quite sure that Orci, Kurtzman, Lindelof and Abrams have their own idea as to how they wish to present to us the character of James Kirk. Let’s not get carried away and assume that Pine can singlehandedly turn Jim Kirk into Indiana Jones. Even if some people believe that is what he is saying (although I do not), it’s ultimately not up to him!!! Like I said, if he can bring some of the realism notoriously attributed to Harrison Ford, when playing the likes of Jones, Ryan, or Kimball, then IMO—that’s fantastic. I have little doubt that, if it is deemed inappropriate for a specific scene, JJ will correct it. That is part of his job as director.

#177—Yes, that is an assumption. One could also assume that Shatner might take out his personal frustrations with Abrams on Chris Pine by limiting his interaction to what it has been to date. Since that would be rather petty and unprofessional, I won’t assume that, nor will I assume that Pine wouldn’t be receptive to advice on the character from Shatner. What we do know is that Pine has publicly expressed his admiration for Bill’s work as Kirk and reached out to him. We also know that Bill gave him a playful ribbing and offered little advice, except to “play it straight”.
On the other hand, George and Nichelle have each taken time (granted they may have more of it) to meet and interact with their successors and offer encouragement and advice. Walter Koenig has also spoken with Yelchin. Of course, Nimoy is on set at Mr. Quinto’s disposal, and unfortunately, James Doohan and DeForest Kelley are no longer with us. Of the living original cast members, only Bill Shatner has not bothered to even have lunch with his successor. Maybe he does not have the time. Perhaps he does and does not care to. I have no idea. Only time will tell if it even matters.

180. Beck - March 11, 2008

JJ’s still the director, not Pine. So I’m not worried.

181. Iowagirl - March 11, 2008

#178
Denise – Gary and I haven’t finally made up our minds on that crucial decision. Risa sounds exciting, but I’ve always had a soft spot for the Omicron Delta Region, as seeing things that cannot possibly exist, yet are undeniably real, is one of my passions. Furthermore, we could play…princess and knight. I’m sure we’ll come to an agreement. ;-)

#179
As Pine has made it clear from the beginning that Shatner’s interpretation of the character is not an important source of inspiration for him, there is no reason for Shatner to exceed his advice. It’s Pine’s job to show his respect for the original, not the other way round, and what he has shown so far, wasn’t really convincing, imo.

As regards Nichols, Takei, and Koenig, their parts in that game were unlike Shatner’s from the very beginning and their history with Abrams (or lack thereof) is a completely different one. Furthermore, especially with regard to Takei and his Shat envy, we should take into account that we’ve heard more from him in those last few weeks than in the last 10 years altogether, so one may assume (National Assumption Day;-) that he’s just taking his chance and jumping the bandwagon.

Whether it will matter or not – that’s a matter of priorities, not of the film itself. For me, things like that matter a lot, and they make me less and less interested in the film.

182. Anthony Pascale - March 11, 2008

RE: above picture
it is a hybrid. Justin Olsen did the original image
http://trekmovie.com/2007/10/17/chris-pine-is-kirkdeal-signed-today/
he took a Kirk shot and photoshopped Pines face
I then did a quick and dirty photoshop of this famous photo
http://www.thefilmbox.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/real-indiana-jones.jpg
and I took out the hat and put it onto the Pine/Kirk to create IndyKirk

183. Denise de Arman - March 11, 2008

Iowagirl- Seeing things that cannot exist yet are undeniably real – one of your passions?! LOL!!! Why, the possibilities are endless… A trek girl after my own heart.

184. Iowagirl - March 11, 2008

Denise – always remember to follow the white rabbit…;-)

185. Jeffery Wright - March 11, 2008

i’d hate to be on the losing end of a game of poker with kirk and solo…

oh, and i thought of another great space cowboy to add to the list:

capt. zap brannigan!

talk about swagger and charm, eh, ladies?

186. Xon - March 11, 2008

I’m glad to see that Chris Pine is bringing what he enjoys to the character. If it’s a joy for him to work on, it’ll be fun for us to watch.

187. Denise de Arman - March 11, 2008

Jeffery185#- Kirk wouldn’t play poker with Indy – he would only play Fizzbin, and then only on Tuesdays.

188. Denise de Arman - March 11, 2008

Anthony- Every time I look at that photoshopped image it gets creepier…

I want to reach in the picture and rip that hat off.

189. Shlepra-Khan - March 11, 2008

I don’t have a problem with them using Indy as a kind of template — at least for any potential action scenes. I could see Kirk doing a lot of the kinds of action things Indy did. They just couldn’t do that kind of stuff back in the 60′s.

190. Xai - March 11, 2008

Even if Pine wanted to have his Kirk be seen more “Indy-ish” Abrams would tell him…”Hey, wrong character”

I don’t expect this movie to become “Captain Kirk and the Curse of the Red Dwarf”

191. I Love My Moogie - March 11, 2008

Look for Chris Pine in: Star Trek XII: Iowa Kirk & the Planet of Green Booties

192. krikzil - March 11, 2008

I wish they’d just gag all the actors. Comments like this aren’t helpful.

“JJ is a competant director who knows what he wants. I’m sure he’ll be able to bring out some very Kirk/Shatner-like moments from Pine, whether Pine is aware of it or not.”

I had this hope until I saw that lizard movie…sorry those performances by inexperienced actors dragged down the movie.

I don’t expect Pine to ape Shat’s mannerisms. Far from it. I love Harrison Ford and think he’s a hell of an actor. However, to so categorically MISS what I see as the essence of CAPTAIN JAMES T KIRK is very shocking to me:

“…that if they could be anywhere else in the world they would be there… ”

Uh, no. That ain’t Kirk.

193. Garovorkin - March 11, 2008

I don’t think that we have to worry about this film Turning into Raiders of the Lost Trek, I think Pine will draw from both Harrison Ford and Shatner but not to the point where he will imitate both actors, He knows he going to have to make this role his own which with all the expectations on him by the fans both realistic and unrealistic, he has a difficult assignment ahead of him. In the face of all the scrutiny and backbiting by the fans why would an actor subject himself to all of this? Simple, the potential rewards for his career are huge, it will automatically elevate him to the statis of acting Icon,. He is aware of the fact that it will open doors for him acting wise that might not otherwise come his way. It’s a chance to become a big name early in his career. It could also backfire and typcast him forever and cost
him big roles but again it’s worth the risk.

194. Michael Hall - March 11, 2008

“I’m fed up with comments like this from the STXI people (exception proves the rule) and the trend they’re trying to activate, and I’m getting more and more disappointed.”

No disrespect intended, Iowagirl–but wouldn’t it make more sense to be disappointed in this film after you’ve seen it?

Actors and celebrities participating in this project can venture whatever opinions they care to about TOS and the roles they’ve inherited, but in the end all that matters is what we will see onscreen next May. That Pine hasn’t displayed sufficient reverence towards Shatner in the few interviews he’s given is completely irrelevant to the question of how effective his portrayal of Kirk will be in this film, just as the fact that it turned out many of Shatner co-stars actively disliked him doesn’t affect our enjoyment of TOS.

195. USS Endeavour - March 11, 2008

“What Harrison Ford is so great at doing is bringing that quality to his characters that if they could be anywhere else in the world they would be there, but he is not, he just is in the middle of s*** and he has to figure out a way of dealing with it so that he can go back to doing whatever the hell he was doing before the film started…”

I agree that Kirk usually thrived on being “in the middle of s***”. However, there were those times when he did display that quality of being in the middle of of s*** and just wanted to get back to what he was doing before. “The Trouble With Tribbles” is probably the best example. So I think bringing out that aspect of the character can work, so long as it isn’t overdone.

196. Xai - March 11, 2008

192. krikzil – March 11, 2008

“JJ is a competant director who knows what he wants. I’m sure he’ll be able to bring out some very Kirk/Shatner-like moments from Pine, whether Pine is aware of it or not.”

“I had this hope until I saw that lizard movie…sorry those performances by inexperienced actors dragged down the movie.”

I don’t expect Pine to ape Shat’s mannerisms. Far from it. I love Harrison Ford and think he’s a hell of an actor. However, to so categorically MISS what I see as the essence of CAPTAIN JAMES T KIRK is very shocking to me:

Lizard Movie? If you mean Cloverfield, Abrams wasn’t the director.

And read the last sentence of the Pine quote. See what you MISSED.
We are back to critiquing performances based on a quote.

197. krikzil - March 11, 2008

“Lizard Movie? If you mean Cloverfield, Abrams wasn’t the director.”

Gee, really? My point is that I see a lot of criticism of fans such as myself who express reserve or just a case of nerves about this new version but then it seems ok to worship at the altar of JJ without having seen one scene of the film. Bit of a odd double standard.

“We are back to critiquing performances based on a quote.”

No, actually we are simply sharing opinions and reactions. Isn’t that what sites like this are for? We’ve got more than year and only each other who care…we fanboys & girls.

198. I Love My Moogie - March 11, 2008

I wonder if Kirk will refer to Chekov as Shortround?

199. Garovorkin - March 11, 2008

# no Moogie he’ll call him pavel and they will be the best of friends

200. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - March 11, 2008

I can’t believe how dogmatic and narrow-minded the purists are. Apparently, it would only be satisfactory for Chris Pine to perform a Shatner Kirk impersonation. So that’s what the artistry of acting has been reduced to: sheer mimicry.

So sad.

201. DEMODE - March 11, 2008

This reminds me so much of that scene in the movie “Free Enterprise”, where an upset kid tells William Shatner that another kid told him that Han Solo was cooler than Kirk. Shatner looks at him, stunned, and then says “Go kick his ass!”

Classic.

202. Xai - March 11, 2008

197. krikzil – March 11, 2008
“Lizard Movie? If you mean Cloverfield, Abrams wasn’t the director.”

“Gee, really? ”

Yes, really…. sorry if I didn’t follow your point regarding Abrams as a director and then your jump to the “lizard” movie director… for some reason.

“My point is that I see a lot of criticism of fans such as myself who express reserve or just a case of nerves about this new version but then it seems ok to worship at the altar of JJ without having seen one scene of the film. Bit of a odd double standard.”

Ok, sure..I can accept that. But based on that reserve you mentioned… wouldn’t you be more neutral? There have been odds quotes from some of the actors that make fans wonder counterbalanced by other positive things. I see little reason for negativity for the same reason.

and for the part you didn’t address…
Pine-”Not to say that I modeled my version of James T Kirk on anything in particular but I think I definitely have wanted to bring that kind of Harrison Ford humour to Kirk.”
There’s nothing wrong with looking at another performance and asking yourself… can I bring a bit of that to my portrayal?

“We are back to critiquing performances based on a quote.”
Sorry if you didn’t like that… but some posters here have a habit of reading far more into a few quotes than the speaker ever intended.
That’s my opinion.

203. I Love My Moogie - March 11, 2008

#199: “he’ll call him pavel and they will be the best of friends”

They weren’t best of friends on TOS, why will they suddenly be ones now???

With all respect I think you’re trying harder to convince yourself how great a concept recasting is than trying convincing the rest of us.

204. Garovorkin - March 11, 2008

#203 no Moogie I had an issue with the Shortround comment im not going to pre judge him like you seem to be doing, about him and everything else in this movie. Look you are entitled to your opinion you may end up cheating yourself out of a good movie experience.

205. I Love My Moogie - March 11, 2008

#204: “you may end up cheating yourself out of a good movie experience”

How would I be cheated? I can watch the authentic ST films on my 52″ LCD TV anytime I desire.

206. Garovorkin - March 11, 2008

#205 i rest my case.

207. Xai - March 11, 2008

205. I Love My Moogie – March 11, 2008

How would I be cheated? I can watch the authentic ST films on my 52″ LCD TV anytime I desire.

If you are already prejudiced against this film, why waste your time here? And you forgot to tell us the brand of your 52″ LCD.
————————-

I hope the new actors came into this project knowing that they would never be accepted as these characters by some fans, regardless of the quality of their performance.
If they fail or succeed they should get the accolades or grief AFTER the movie is seen. Not a year before the movie is actually shown.

208. I Love My Moogie - March 11, 2008

#207: “And you forgot to tell us the brand of your 52″ LCD”

LOL, Sony

209. Harry Ballz - March 11, 2008

Moogie

keep in mind that the future is at least as important as the past!

210. Xai - March 11, 2008

wb harry

211. Buzz Cagney - March 11, 2008

#200 NO NO NO- We don’t particularly want a Shatner impersonation- we want a recognisable Kirk. Not Indy. Not Solo. Kirk. I can’t see how that is too much to ask!

212. Tassieboy - March 11, 2008

I think Pine meant that he is modeling after Harrison Ford’s acting ability rather than the characters themselves.

I’ll judge Pine’s Kirk when I see it.

213. Harry Ballz - March 11, 2008

#210 Xai

thanks Xai……..s’preciated!

214. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - March 12, 2008

#211 – And who’s to say you’re not going to get “a recognisable Kirk. Not Indy. Not Solo.” — just because, as an actor, Chris Pine can appreciate what other actors bring to their characters? Nothing in anything Chris Pine said indicates that his Kirk will be Indy or Solo. This is about subtle artistic nuances, not grafting whole characters (like Indy or Solo) onto others (like Kirk).

215. Iowagirl - March 12, 2008

#194
Michael, I’d never consider it disrespectful to express a different view in a reasonable manner, like you did.

You certainly have a point – it would be more logical to be disappointed in the film after having seen it. But sometimes people get an aversion to something from tracking its development, and they are disappointed at the course of action and expression of opinion of the people involved. Maybe Spock would choose the first option, but after all I’m human.;-)

216. Garovorkin - March 12, 2008

Like the movie the proof will be in Pines Performance, I think he will surprise and impress a lot of people, Pegg, Qiuinto ,Saldana,Urban and Yes Anton Yelchins as well, and i like Greenwood as Pike. its going to be fun see them play these legends. If its not canon perfect if the actors don’t do a precise interpretation of the characters, so what , none of that is important to me as long as we get a good solid and entertaining adventure. My expectation, which is a realistic one, is that I am going to sit back and enjoy both the actors and a really good sci fi Movie experience. Thats all we should expect and nothing more. If it at least lives up to the spirit of Trek, then Abrams has done his job and that good enough for me.

217. SPOCKBOY - March 12, 2008

Of all the casting choices, Pine is the one I am the least sure of.
He just seems like a pretty boy without a lot of command or intensity.
Perhaps I ‘m being unfair, but I am hoping to be pleasantly surprised by his take on Kirk,
and I STILL can’t get past his striking resemblance to another famous SCI-FI character.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v617/spockboy/CHRISSCOTT.jpg

I wish him well regardless.

F.A.B.
: )

218. Garovorkin - March 12, 2008

#217 but if you look at him he does bear a more then passing resemblance to Shatner, thats kind of what I would expect a young James T Kirk to look like.

219. Denise de Arman - March 12, 2008

4 8 15 #214- Following your logic, as someone already mentioned above, you would welcome Quinto giving an interview in which he asserts that his Spock inspiration will be drawn from the character of Yoda – am I correct?

220. Katie G. - March 12, 2008

Re: #108. Andy Patterson

Thanks, Andy! It was kind of tongue-in-cheek but I understand what he means. Doesn’t look like anyone else does. Maybe I’ll repeat it here:

From my previous post #26:

“Maybe he means the characters’ abilities to think on their feet – - to think quickly and keep your head in an unexpected, bad situation. All of them had that ability – - Han Solo, Indiana Jones and James T. Kirk. At the core, they were really sharp and savvy.”

I really do believe that is what Chris meant when he made the comment.

kg

221. Denise de Arman - March 12, 2008

Katie#220- You’re my gal Katie, but as was stated above, Pine is a smart guy and he could have chosen his words to fit your interpretation if that’s what he really meant. To me character development is everything – special effects, cinematography, musical score all come after. However, ’tis only a small annoyance and I am certain JJ has everything well in hand (Nimoy said so!).

222. SDF - March 12, 2008

Lets all remember that this film is about a young, brash, fresh out of the academy Kirk and not the polished, dedicated, and experienced officer of TOS that we know. I think Kirk will be slightly immature in this film and over time will develop into the legendary captain we all know he should be.

223. Closettrekker - March 12, 2008

What always impressed me about Harrison Ford is his ability to convey the fact that his character always realized the sheer absurdity of some of the situations he found himself to be in. It is the subtle facial expressions when hanging off a cliff, when he is surrounded by poisonous snakes, or having found himself in a fistfight with a big, burly Nazi who outwieghs him by 50lbs. I love that.

As far as finding himself in the middle of something he would rather hurry up and finish so he can return to normalcy, is that really something new for Jim Kirk?

Remember this scene?

“I….have had….enough of you!!!!!”—-TSFS

It’s obvious that he really doesn’t want to be bothered any more with Kruge, and just wants to get on with his purpose. He goes from “if we don’t help each other, we’ll die here”, and “give me your hand” to that in just a few seconds.

How about his entire experience in TOS, “The Trouble With Tribbles”. It is clear that he doesn’t want to be there, doesn’t want to be bothered with Mr. Barris, and uses some of that same expressiveness when confronted with the dilemma of a tribble infestation.

“My chicken sandwich and coffee. This is my chicken sandwich and coffee.”

“Get these tribbles off the bridge.”

For those of you who believe that can’t be Jim Kirk, ask yourself if you believe Captain Kirk would rather fight a 7 ft. Gorn or continue with his mission of peace and exploration. Presenting it as a situation he “HAS” to do, as opposed to “WANTS” to do, only makes it more entertaining.

If Pine can pull off that kind of expressiveness as well as Harrison Ford does, we should all be so lucky, and it could be a great performance.

Let’s look again at how Pine summarizes his thoughts on the subject.

“Not to say that I modeled my version of James T Kirk on anything in particular but I think I definitely have wanted to bring that kind of Harrison Ford humour to Kirk.”

Why is that threatening and offensive?

“I would go as far as to say that literally nobody plays action like Harrison Ford. Nobody. I can’t think of anybody who is able to make you feel that the stakes are real, and also make you laugh in the middle of that.”

Again, I agree with that statement. No one whom his generation is likely to recognize can compete with Ford in that regard. Bruce Willis did it fairly well in Die Hard, but that’s about it. Ford plays it as real and as human as it gets.

I will never have a problem with anyone who is cast in action scenes taking a cue from Harrison Ford.

224. acb - March 12, 2008

The Harrison Ford reference has kind of become cliche for young actors to use in comparing there characters to established ones. Most of the time they do it simply on the basis of trying to give the “everyman” presentation for their character……….while at the same time establishing some propaganda for their own work (not suggesting it is totally intentional) for outsiders…perhaps even themselves….to have a basis of comparison. Because really……….who doesn’t like Indy?

225. I Love My Moogie - March 12, 2008

#218: “if you look at him he does bear a more then passing resemblance to Shatner”

Which pics are you looking at??? Pine doesn’t look anything whatsoever like a younger Twilight Zone era Shat, please don’t look for things that aren’t there in opposing a differing view.

226. Closettrekker - March 12, 2008

#225—I disagree. The resemblance is there. He’s not a clone, but the resemblance is hardly deniable.
It is far more than I was expecting.

227. Garovorkin - March 12, 2008

#225 Moogie how you not see the resemblance? He looks like a young James T. Kirk. Look no actor is going to a clone of Shatner, nor should they try to be. Look, your against this movie every comment with regard tto the movie has been negative , so im really not surprised that you don’t like Pine, Even if he were were an exact clone of Shatner you would still not like him because he not Shatner, As to the short round reference to Anton Yelchins, isn’t that being a lttle bit mean? You have no idea what he’s about and you’ve already passed judgement that he won’t be any good. I have no doubt that you might see the movie but i think that you will do with a very closed mind and to me that to bad. the franchise is getting rebooted and that it, the younger generation doesn’t seem as interested in the old series as you might think, the old series is On Tv Land which tells how relevant it is. You are of course entitled to your opinion

228. Trek Nerd Central - March 12, 2008

#117. I second that, Cobra Commander.

Personally, I always thought it was an affront to James T. Kirk the way Shatner took Alexander as inspiration. Sheesh. The gall.

Let’s all lay off Chris Pine. It’s his job to bring Kirk to life as best he can — and if that means taking a cue from Indy or Han, what the heck. It’s not like he said, “I love Ah-nud and I’m basing Captain Kirk on the Terminator.”

229. AJ - March 12, 2008

Just so long as Pine doesn’t play the freaked out Harrison Ford in “Frantic,” I’ll take Han and Indy any day. Can’t wait for Indy IV!

230. I Love My Moogie - March 12, 2008

Garovorkin, You’ve convinced me, you’re right about everything, just continue jumping in after every single differing opinion, regardless of your facts—BTW, TOS is on TV Land because both are owned by Paramount & it cost them nothing to air it, meanwhile the remastered versions are syndicated on major broadcast stations, but hey, heck with the facts—-I yield to you.

231. Garovorkin - March 12, 2008

#230 Moogie ive often found that Sarcasm is poor substitute for wit. I am aware of that fact with regard to tv land and I am telling you what your opinion should be, like your telling me what my opinion should be.

232. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - March 12, 2008

#219 – No, you’re way off. For one thing, Yoda is a puppet and then a CGI character, so discussing the merits of the actor who portrays Yoda is pretty well moot. Using my logic, I would welcome Quinto praising another good actor’s skills in fleshing out the characters s/he has played, and incorporating some of those strong traits into his own performance of Spock.

Let’s say he said something like, “I admire Ben Kingsley’s portrayal of Gandhi, and I would like to bring some of the quiet inner strength he imbued the character with to my portrayal of Spock”. In such a case, yes, I would say Quinto was right on for admiring Kingsley’s Gandhi, and I wouldn’t react all paranoid that somehow the character of Spock in STXI would be ruined, replaced by some kind of Vulcan version of Gandhi.

233. Daoud - March 12, 2008

New better idea for Pine:

Base his portrayal of Kirk on the actor who portrayed Sgt. Getraer on CHiPs.

Yes, that would make much more sense! :p

234. I Love My Moogie - March 12, 2008

Garovorkin, I am not telling you what you’re opinion should be. When you say Pine looks like a young Shat then it’s clear, regardless of anyone’s position about this movie, that you will use any spin to sell it on those with differing opinions. I don’t think the most pro-STXI supporters would agree with you on any hint of ‘seperated at birth’ between the two.

It’s your $10 to spend in May ’09, just stop adding a spoon ful of sugar so your medicine of ‘this movie is really really keen’ will be swallowed by those whose views are different than yours, which is our right & DOES NOT make us in any way wrong because you fail to ‘Sybok’ us into seeing otherwise.

235. star trackie - March 12, 2008

#227 “the franchise is getting rebooted and that it, the younger generation doesn’t seem as interested in the old series as you might think, the old series is On Tv Land which tells how relevant it is. ”

..sorry to jump in here, but I have to make note that while it IS onTV LAND, the show enjoyed a lenthy run as the number one show on G4, the gaming channel, where LOTS of younger people ate it up, joined the Star Trek myspace and played along with the “Spock MArket” online while they watched. Then on weekends they enjoyed the episodes in a special 90 minutes format “uncut”.

The remastered Trek is now the second most successful syndicated sci-fi series, often pulling in numbers almost as high as first run episodes of Smallville and the like.

The fact that TOS airs on TV LAND,(which I might add is very appropriate, as TOS IS classic television) doesn’t mean that the younger people aren’t watching. Go to “Spock”‘s myspace page and see for yourself. (if its still up, it was set up by G4 when Trek was running on their network.)

The younger generation may not be trading their wii’s and pokemon for Spock ears any time soon….but give them time.

236. Closettrekker - March 12, 2008

#235—-I don’t think there is any proof that “young people” were watching TOS on G4. I think that was us! I did not watch that channel for any other reason.
As for the remastered episodes and their ratings, I’d like to see those numbers. In any case, we all know that every old trekkie is tuned in most of the time to see these classic episodes remastered. Again, no proof of demographics, and definitely nothing that would convince me that people in Anton’s age group are watching (on Saturday night no less) in any significant numbers. Forgive me, but that is rather unbelievable.

237. Garovorkin - March 12, 2008

#234 Moogie im not accusing you of being wrong and Im not trying to spin anything, and I am not trying to dictate your opinion, im not always right and neither are you . Just make don’t remarks like that about actors like you did with Anton it sets me off when I read things like that. #235 was not aware of that fact, but sci fi does tend to have a shelf life, all science fiction.

238. Denise de Arman - March 12, 2008

4 8 15 #282- To each his own, I suppose. Our opinions as human beings make us special, with all those neurons popping around inside our skulls… Sometimes differing viewpoints make for more lively life-fulfillment.

Daoud#233- LOL!

239. Closettrekker - March 12, 2008

#234—I don’t think there is a such thing as a “pro STXI supporter”, since there is not anything yet in existence to support. However, you seem to never run out of reasons to bury the film long before it even completes production.
Given Garovorkin’s opinion on STV, for example, it is obvious that he is willing to be honest when he believes that a ST movie is garbage. So am I. The difference between us and you is that we actually require that there be a movie to critique before doing so. You should try that approach, as opposed to the tarot card system which you apparently employ right now.

By the way, can you actually “Sybok” someone? What does that mean exactly? Is it a verb describing the act of tanking a Star Trek film (ex. Damnit, Shatner “Syboked” us with Star Trek V)? If so, I would accept that as a word in a scrabble game. Otherwise, it’s just a reminder of a very bad dream…

240. Closettrekker - March 12, 2008

#238—That’s the Denise I know….popping neurons and looking for lively life fulfillment!!!

241. Denise de Arman - March 12, 2008

Closet#238- LOL!

242. I Love My Moogie - March 12, 2008

#237: “sci fi does tend to have a shelf life, all science fiction”

Garovorkin, tell that HG Wells. There you go again spouting things you make up as fact.

If the Indiana Jones reference (which is what this thread is about) regarding Chekov (READ IT AGAIN, I said Chekov, not Yelchin) being nicknamed Shortround offends you then that’s pretty disturbing.

I notice you called him Anton, do you know him personally? Is this why you misread what I wrote & made a non-issue out of it? Like you keep saying, it’s only a movie, maybe you need to take a few steps back, breath deeply & see how you made a big deal about a fictional character being referred to as another fictional character.

243. Garovorkin - March 12, 2008

#moogie would you call HG well cutting edge scif ? i wouldn’t its over 100 years old its obsolete but yes it is classic.? If you take a typical scif reader and put in front of him Hg well War of the Worlds and say Enders Game/ which do think they are going to go for first? Enders game which of the two books is relevant from scifi stand point or the most relevant. Enders Game.
In television you put in fro t of a scifi fan two shows classic trek and Stargate Scg1 which is show will they be more likely to watch? Stargate Sg1 its newer they want newer thats one defintion of relevant.

Actor Anton Yelchi, no i dont know him I, was rushed when I typed that entry, thats why I did not put his last name.. As for the Shortround thing that to me was not a nice thing to say and you know it

244. Garovorkin - March 12, 2008

#242 moogie skip the last part of that comment i take it all back. lets just forget it movie on nothing is ever going to get solved on this argument. I have enough people angry at me as it is.

245. star trackie - March 12, 2008

#236 “#235—-I don’t think there is any proof that “young people” were watching TOS on G4.. ”

You must not have followed the annoying online chat while it was on! lol

LOTS of kids there. As far as ratings, one needn’t go beyond this excellent site to find weekly reports on the ratings. But here is s short “copy and paste” from December.

“For the week of December 11 Star Trek was the second highest rated program in the Science Fiction and Fantasy Syndication category behind the 1.9 of Alias (ahead of Smallville – 1.4, Stargate SG-1 -1.3, Stargate Atlantis – 1.2, Farscape – 0.7 and The Outer Limits – 0.6).

And as far as the younger set watching, like I said, check out the Spock 2.0 myspace page and surf through his 400,000 friends. Watch the vids from the crib. Fans who are Anton’s age are definitely in the mix. Lots of support on facebook as well.

C’mon closettreker…this is the 21st century, time to put those mimeographed fanzines back in the box and get up to speed! lol

246. Closettrekker - March 12, 2008

#245—LOL! Thanks for the 411, and I’ll keep that in mind!

247. I Love My Moogie - March 12, 2008

#243: “As for the Shortround thing that to me was not a nice thing to say and you know it”

Garovorkin, one final time, Checkov is a FICTIONAL character, how can a joke about two FICTIONAL characters upset you? The problem is that you jump into EVERY post you disagree with & challenge it. The entire thread is full of Indiana Jones referrences & jokes, chill out, relax & don’t take a joke about a fictional character to heart. Remember what Shat said on SNL?

248. I Love My Moogie - March 12, 2008

#244:

Garovorkin, I’m not angry at you. You’re a nice person & that’s why I am trying to get you to relax & not get caught up about a Chekov/Shortround joke.

249. johnconner - March 12, 2008

Nothing to see here. The idea that this is the entirety of the approach to Kirk in the movie is just plain naive. It’s a sound bite in an interview, where an actor says all sorts of things.

As far as drawing influence, he’s got Kirk hair, wrote Shatner a note (not that he had to) and mentioned Harrison Ford as an action influence that bears some similarity to Kirk.

To me, that’s still awesome in a bottle. But then again, I’m looking for a new Trek, new approach (maybe better, certainly more modern) and new, good and solid – yet different, in that what can this actor bring to this part? – takes on our favorite characters.

If it was the same thing – a.k.a. Trek As Usual – I will be extremely disappointed. To give you some idea what I’m talking about, I was really looking forward to Superman Returns, but they spent so much time lovingly paying homage to Superman: The Movie – again, a franchise from another era – that they didn’t do the updated Man of Steel justice.

And by God, I hope we avoid that.

250. Closettrekker - March 12, 2008

#249—I couldn’t agree more with that entire post.

251. Garovorkin - March 12, 2008

#248 Yeah Im touchy alright. Moogie science fiction tends to be a projection into the future based on the time its written. It reflects what that generation hopes what the future will be like based on that generations values, and every generation is different as is their view of the future that is another definition of relevance .In that way science fiction flls into the past. I know plenty of people still read classic scifi I still do as well and i encourage people to do so, because the scif is a part of our collective cultural heritage, the same with old scifi shows. they will always have a place. With regard to the movie I have high hopes for it but i am also a realist and I know that failure is a possibility, in anything.

I don’t ‘ envy the task these actors have in front of them, they are taking a huge career risk doing what they are doing, imagine the pressure they are under, the scrutiny. They can never take the place of the originals but i have give them credit for the effort that they are about to undertake. i could imagine under taking this kind of task myself.

252. Katie G. - March 12, 2008

Re: #221. Denise de Arman

You may be right. I’m not getting my panties in a bunch over it. Just trying to soothe the masses. (It doesn’t always work.) He’ll be fine. Just makes me even more curious to see what they’re doing!!

Re: #222. SDF

“Let’s all remember that this film is about a young, brash, fresh out of the academy Kirk and not the polished, dedicated, and experienced officer of TOS that we know. I think Kirk will be slightly immature in this film and over time will develop into the legendary captain we all know he should be.”

Yes – - maybe it’s like this – - remember the episode in TNG when Picard was injured and if he’d had a real heart he wouldn’t be dying? Then he explains to Q how he got the artificial heart and that he had regrets and we see what he was like when he was young and why he was so disgusted with some of his less mature behaviour.

Weren’t most of us like that? Dear God, if this website came out when I was 21, I probably would have been banned within a month. I would have been arguing with everyone, acting like I knew it all. Sometimes it is painful to look back. Yet, sometimes it is encouraging to see how far I’ve come. I wonder just how brash (the term used by Lenore Karidian in the TOS ep “The Conscience of the King”) he’s going to be. He could be a little puffed up because he was doing so well in Star Fleet. I believe he was (at the time) the youngest officer ever promoted to Captain (is that correct?).

Re: #249. johnconner

Yes, you’re right. That’s the problem with our impatience to see the movie. We get a little snippet of info and go nuts speculating and postulating. Oh well. It makes life interesting. Come on, May 2009.

Gotta go make dinner.

kg

253. I Love My Moogie - March 12, 2008

“Gotta go make dinner”

Katie, you never tell us what’s on the menu : (

Garovorkin, you’re a good guy. I tend to think of us locking horns like Spock & McCoy (with me natually being the logically one, lol).

254. Captain_Neill - March 12, 2008

Pine is an idiot to say he this

The other actors are honoring the proper Original Series cast. Pine should be drawing inspiration from Shatner as he originated the role.

its comments like this which are making me think Star Trek is in dangerous hands

255. I Love My Moogie - March 12, 2008

I think the problem is Chris Pine was very uninspiring casting.

JJ Abrams should have pushed the envelope & cast someone less cliche as Kirk—like Lisa Bonet. Now that would of peaked a lot of attention!

256. Denise de Arman - March 12, 2008

What does shortround mean?

257. Garovorkin - March 12, 2008

#254 His comments were ill chosen but that hardly makes him an idiot, Homaging the past is all good and well but Pine and the rest of the cast have to make the roles their own. If they slavishly imitate whats past then the project is doomed to failure.

#255 Moogie I predict that Chris Pines will not only do well in the role of Kirk , but he will gt an emmy nod for his performance, then 7 years three sequels later he and the rest of the cast and jj abrams will be imortalized on the Hollywood walk of fame. Abrams will be hailed as the savior of the trek franchise, and Chris pines will run for President on the republican ticket. yep things are looking bright for Trek.

258. Denise de Arman - March 12, 2008

Moogie#255- LOL!!

259. Garovorkin - March 12, 2008

# Moogie not to sound dumb but what LOL mean anyway?

260. I Love My Moogie - March 12, 2008

#259: ‘what LOL mean anyway?’

web lingo for ‘laugh out loud’ to indicate you’re laughing

261. I Love My Moogie - March 12, 2008

#256: “What does shortround mean?”

The name of Indiana Jones’ young sidekick in “Temple of Doom”

262. Denise de Arman - March 12, 2008

Moogie- Oh, I’d forgotten that…thanks!

263. krikzil - March 12, 2008

“Yes, really…. sorry if I didn’t follow your point regarding Abrams as a director and then your jump to the “lizard” movie director… for some reason. ”

Never said lizard movie DIRECTOR. Simply mentioned bad performances in the lizard movie to illustrate that everything JJ touches isn’t necessarily artistic gold.

“Ok, sure..I can accept that. But based on that reserve you mentioned… wouldn’t you be more neutral? There have been odds quotes from some of the actors that make fans wonder counterbalanced by other positive things. I see little reason for negativity for the same reason.”

All the positive quotes in the world can’t counterbalance something that’s so totally off the wall. And frankly I see little reason to be so militantly positive. I’ve gone through the original wait for ST:TMP and that crushing disappointment; sat in a room listening to writers/producers lie through their teeth about STII — Spock doesn’t die– only hours after I’d READ the shooting script and knew he would indeed die; and so many other fandom nail-biting moments. Skepticism can be a good thing. I’m jazzed to see Leonard Nimoy play Spock again but ultimately, I’m still just not convinced a “roboot” is a good thing.

“and for the part you didn’t address…
Pine-”Not to say that I modeled my version of James T Kirk on anything in particular but I think I definitely have wanted to bring that kind of Harrison Ford humour to Kirk.”
There’s nothing wrong with looking at another performance and asking yourself… can I bring a bit of that to my portrayal?”

It doesn’t matter to me what else Pine had to say. (But I did mention that I happen to like Ford a great deal.) My post was about the concern I feel over what I see is a complete misunderstanding of the Kirk character by that one quote. Nothing more; nothing less.

“>>We are back to critiquing performances based on a quote.<<
Sorry if you didn’t like that… ”

Like? Dislike? I simply disagree that what I am doing is critiquing a performance based on a quote. I’ve never seen Pine in any role so I have absolutely no preconceived notions on his skill one way or another. No, I’m expressing concern and dismay that a performer seems to have misunderstood the essence of a character I hold rather dear. That’s all.

“but some posters here have a habit of reading far more into a few quotes than the speaker ever intended.
That’s my opinion.”

Hmm….reading too much into things? You mean like all the posters who are so quick to jump on anyone who expresses the slightest doubt here about this movie, let alone a full blown negative opinion?

264. Garovorkin - March 12, 2008

# 263 If not reboot then what would you suggest? the original cast is to old , the next generation other then Star Trek first contact failed to deliver. Basically the movie franchise is in a shambles . I agree there is a possibility that This new film end up morphing in to disaster of a film But i look at it this way Abrams Track record is good enough so that there is a more then reasonable chance that the film might turn out quite good. But as you say nothing is written in stone. You did raise some very interesting arguments for and against the film .

265. Xai - March 12, 2008

263. krikzil – March 12, 2008
“It doesn’t matter to me what else Pine had to say.” …
“My post was about the concern I feel over what I see is a complete misunderstanding of the Kirk character by that one quote. Nothing more; nothing less.”

If you want to look at what he said…or in this case, PART of what he said, that’s your choice. The last sentence did address what he said earlier in the interview. The proof will be seen in a year and no DIRECTOR would allow Pine’s artistic bent to modify a major character to that degree that you fear anyway.

And i didn’t think that “lizard” movie did badly at all. It was what is was intended to be… an American monster movie and a fun time in the theater. No Oscars will be awarded, but that wasn’t the aim.

266. bill park - March 12, 2008

PINES A ROOKIE….just searching for the right thing to say…..I wouldn’t put too much stock in what he said….JJ will tell him how he wants the role played….
period

267. Katie G. - March 12, 2008

Re: #253. Moogie

“Katie, you never tell us what’s on the menu : ( ”

Oh, look at that cute little pout!

Actually, I usually don’t know what’s for dinner until I go into the kitchen and look around to see what’s there. First we had a chef’s salad with wild greens, julienned carrots, raw almonds/pumpkin & sunflower seeds, sesame sticks with Ranch Dressing; then an omelette with asparagus, cauliflower and onion, with a touch of curry, basil and garlic and a side order of spanakopita; Garden Cocktail to drink. For dessert we had vanilla and hazelnut wafer cookies. Tada.

Besides, no one really gives a, um, cares, Moog.

Re: #256. Denise de Arman

“What does shortround mean?”

I wondered too. Thanks, Moogie (#261) for the answer. It sounded familiar but I didn’t want to ask. Now I remember… It’s just I never watch that installment of the Indiana Jones saga because it’s quite evil in a demonic way. I know it’s fiction but yuck. There are parts I’d like to see again (like Kate Capshaw running hysterically back and forth while the other guys were obliviously sitting around the fire). Hilarious.

Re: #266. bill park

Thank you. I was thinking that in my head but it didn’t make it to my keyboard. Exactly. Abrams is not about to let him dictate the part to him. I’m sure J. J. would receive a little input but make the best decision for us in the end.

Whew. Bedtime for Bonzo, uh, Katie.

Night.

kg

268. Katie G. - March 12, 2008

P. S.

Just before I go, Moogie, there are a few little shortforms besides LOL

LOL = laughing out loud
LMAO = laughing my a– off (I prefer LMBO = laughing my butt off)
ROTFLMAO = rolling on the floor laughing…

There are probably many more. I just learned these in the last year myself. Wow. There’s a whole ‘nother world out thar.

Goodnight.

kg

269. Katie G. - March 12, 2008

P. P. S.

MOOGIE, SORRY – - Just saw that I got it mixed up. It was Garovorkin who asked about LOL.

SORRY, GAROVORKIN!! (#259)

Number 268 should be addressed to you!

kg

270. Harry Ballz - March 12, 2008

Katie

as you post these last few months, I see a pattern emerging…..er, how would I put this……….you show more of a tendency of………….being SAUCY!

Yeah, that’s it…………….over the years you’ve mellowed from hellcat to pussycat…………….would you say that’s a fair assessment?

And, if yes…………………………………..ATTAGIRL!!!

271. ASC-1138 - March 13, 2008

This truly saddens me. Maybe this is why they didn’t want Shat in the movie. Seems to me now that they’ve been wanting to re-invent Kirk this whole time. Thats why all of the other actors have met in person accept Shat and Pine. They don’t want Shat’s input, period.

What ever happened to Shat’s supposed character control, didn’t Nimoy say that both of them had this?

#254 – I think your right that pine should be drawing inspiration directly from Shatner, but I don’t think he’s an idiot. Maybe just following orders unfortunately.

I don’t know anymore. My wife said that it would be a complete farce if Pine tried to copy Shat (even part way) , because of his overall stature and take on the character. Pine would just look like a pale imitator in comparison. It is true that Shat’s take on Kirk may truly be unique to him. Maybe thats why J.J. is trying to go at this from a different perspective.

Given this reasoning, I’m still hoping it will turn out good. I’m praying that maybe this movie will lay out the foundation of this new perspective, and then add bits of Shatner in the next movie. Have old Kirk resurrected at the end of this movie as a result of the modified timeline, and then we can have Shat in the sequel.

One can dream, right? Here’s hoping………..

272. ASC-1138 - March 13, 2008

223. Closettrekker

Excellent, excellent points! I can see how that would work.

273. Iowagirl - March 13, 2008

#223
- Not to say that I modeled my version of James T Kirk on anything in particular but I think I definitely have wanted to bring that kind of Harrison Ford humour to Kirk. -

- Why is that threatening and offensive? -

Imo, it’s counterproductive and doesn’t make much sense, because the ST characters already bring with them their own individual behaviour and special traits, an essential one being humour. Kirk already has his own kirkish kind of humour. You mention “Tribbles” where it’s demonstrated at its best, or think of his attitude towards Spock when mocking him, or when talking to Bones “Some doctors have all the luck..”. Same holds true for Spock and his wonderfully eyebrow-raised, sparingly delivered humour, and for Bones and his grumpy and sarcastic way of showing his deeply humane humour. Those are the ingredients for the formula that has worked out perfectly – if you change one ingredient, you’ll get a new formula. No problem, but don’t call it Coke®, if it ain’t Coke® anymore.

#271
- Maybe this is why they didn’t want Shat in the movie. Seems to me now that they’ve been wanting to re-invent Kirk this whole time. Thats why all of the other actors have met in person accept Shat and Pine. They don’t want Shat’s input, period. -

My point, too. Granted, this is an assumption, but judging from the information we’ve been provided with so far, I don’t think this is a far-fetched one.

274. Closettrekker - March 13, 2008

#254—The movie is not “in the hands” of Chris Pine. It is in the hands of JJ Abrams and Mr. Lindelof. You are giving an actor too much credit for potential influence. If the director feels Pine’s approach to a particular scene is inappropriate, he can “correct” it. That is part of his job. Relax…

#273—I don’t see any evidence that applying what is good about Ford to his action scenes will change that formula at all. The humor to which he refers is the self-awareness within a Ford character that conveys to the audience a feeling that the sheer absurdity of the situation which he is in is not lost on him. It is a subtle expressiveness that makes the audience relate better to his predicament, like I said, whether it is hanging off a cliff or falling into a pit of snakes. How does that threaten the “formula”? I’m sorry, but I just don’t see that it could be at all “counterproductive”, and appealing to modern audiences by making such scenes more realistic makes perfect sense to me.
I don’t think he will imitate Ford any more than he will imitate Shatner. This just shows whose work has had an impact on him. Given his age, it is not surprising, nor inappropriate.
Shatner’s Kirk may have been more Aerol Flynn than Harrison Ford, but we all know that was 40 years ago. Shatner’s Kirk evolved as well over time. How many soliloquies did he spout off in the original films? I would hate to see Pine’s Kirk miss a golden opprotunity to appeal to younger fans because he was pressured to mimick a style that Shatner himself and the filmmakers felt it necessary to change a decade after TOS.

275. Harry Ballz - March 13, 2008

Closettrekker

I like the way you write in posting a comment or rebuttal……it’s real purty!

Oh, er, by the way, it’s Errol Flynn, not Aerol Flynn………just a minor point.

276. Closettrekker - March 13, 2008

#275—-You are absolutely right. I figured it was wrong when I tried to spell it, but hey…I took a shot!
And thank you, Harry. You make me feel so special!!!!

277. Iowagirl - March 13, 2008

#274
Some of the Ford character traits you mention may be useful to some extent for portraying Kirk, but we only know that because Shatner delivered some similar characteristics. Certain traits were modified during the years, because we were shown an ageing Kirk, so that was conclusive as well. Ford is perfect for his kind of characters – Kirk is a different matter. If Pine tells us now that Ford’s work has that impact on his Kirk portrayal (instead of Shatner‘s, which would be the logical choice), it shows me that his (and Abrams’) priorities diverge from what I love and cherish in TOS, that’s all. This is not a matter of age, but of Pine’s and Abrams’ awareness for the role.

Ok, that’s it from me for the time being – AbramsTrek won’t work for me with an attitude like that, but I’ve enjoyed our discussions nevertheless and I hope there are more to come.

#275
Harry, purty?? You mean, as in Kerouac’s “I’ve got a purty girl, she’s sweet sixteen she’s the the purtiest thing you’ve ever seen”? :)

278. Litenbug - March 13, 2008

This whole thing screams of
A. An actor babbling on too much, with nothing really to say.
B. Parts of the interview taken out of context
C. The out-of-context quotes being looked at far too closely and given far more attention than they deserve by some fans.

Opinions, yes we all have them… but consider forming them with good and complete information, and common sense applied liberally.
Rant over.

279. krikzil - March 13, 2008

” 263 If not reboot then what would you suggest? the original cast is to old , the next generation other then Star Trek first contact failed to deliver. Basically the movie franchise is in a shambles .”

Good question. And why did TNG not succeed in the movies? Seems odd to me. Oh, I’m a die-hard Classic fan but I did enjoy all the various incarnations (well, except for Enterprise even though I thought the cast was strong) and always wished them well. More Trek is a good thing in my book. I just think there’s a lot more to be mined in the Trek world than going back and redoing something that’s pretty special in its own right. It was one of the reasons I stopped watching Enterprise — the first time I’ve ever stopped watching a Trek in progress. They changed too much of what I saw as fact — I hate to use the work CANON cause I’ll get jumped by the anti-canonistas out there. :)

“I agree there is a possibility that This new film end up morphing in to disaster of a film But i look at it this way Abrams Track record is good enough so that there is a more then reasonable chance that the film might turn out quite good. But as you say nothing is written in stone. You did raise some very interesting arguments for and against the film .”

I guess that’s why I have such mixed feelings about a reboot. From what I’ve seen, most don’t work or are pale imitations. But there’s always the exception — I love the reboot of the Batman franchise! — and I’m hoping this one succeeds, really I am. And while Leonard Nimoy/Spock is my favorite part of Trek, even his participation is a mixed blessing because it muddies the waters for me a great deal. I will love to see him back but in many ways it would be easier if the movie stood separate from what came before it. It makes it odd to have MY Spock in the middle of NEW Trek. I’m not sure I’m expressing myself adequately enough…..

280. Garovorkin - March 13, 2008

So MaY of 2009 isn’t here yet? Im wondering what we will all be talking aout by the time that date roles around. We have dissected the casting , the acting style of the characters past and present, what the story line will and will not be. subject wise we are probably going to run out of things to analyze. well before May of next year, Unless Paramount and Abrams comes up with some preview clips to give us additional this to debate. Of course after the film there willl be a flood of new things to discuss.

281. I Love My Moogie - March 13, 2008

How about casting Britney Spears as Janice Lester? That’s assuming Britney can be convincing playing a someone with a loose screw.

282. Garovorkin - March 13, 2008

# 281 nope nope Moogie that casting cannot possibly work , we all know there is only one woman who could really capture the character of Janet Lester and thats Rosie O’ Donnel

283. Harry Ballz - March 13, 2008

#279 “I’m not sure I’m expressing myself adequately enough…”

You’re doing just fine…….I feel the same way myself……..you are probably voicing the concern of many Trekkers.

284. Charles Trotter - March 13, 2008

#280 Garovorkin — I’m hoping by the time May 2009 roles around, Abrams and crew will already be working on the sequel. That will certainly give us more things to talk about. I can picture everyone debating whether or not William Shatner will or should appear in Star Trek 2: Enterprise Boogaloo! :P

285. Charles Trotter - March 13, 2008

Margot Kidder for Janice Lester!!! :-P

286. Harry Ballz - March 13, 2008

Charles……you DO know that Margot looks about 90 these days??

287. Harry Ballz - March 13, 2008

#277 Iowagirl “purty”

So, you DO speak my language!

Come here, sugah!

288. Jovan - March 13, 2008

Iowagirl: Let me buy you a ticket and some popcorn when it comes out. If the movie isn’t good, you won’t have paid for it at least.

I think we’re all overreacting a little bit here.

289. Iowagirl - March 14, 2008

#287
Seems I’m catching on….

#288
Accepted, but I want real popcorn, not the cloned mash they’re used to churn out nowadays. ;-)

290. Garovorkin - March 14, 2008

#280 Charles the notion of fans debating on Shaner being film 2 wouldn’t surprise me in the least.

291. I Love My Moogie - March 14, 2008

#286: “you DO know that Margot looks about 90 these days??”

Sad how a dish like Margot can go from yummy to barf-a-rama.

#290: “the notion of fans debating on Shaner being film 2 wouldn’t surprise me in the least”

I’m still not ruling out Shat being in STXI.

292. Closettrekker - March 14, 2008

#291—Not sure she was ever “yummy”….but that’s what alcoholism/ drug abuse does to people. Ask Carrie Fisher.

“I’m still not ruling out Shat being in STXI.”

Sigh….

293. Closettrekker - March 14, 2008

#279—”And why did TNG not succeed in the movies? Seems odd to me. ”

Not to me. I’m not sure TNG was ever major motion picture material. Those films were better suited for straight-to-dvd release. Despite its longevity, the TNG characters never attained the iconic status of their predecessors.

“…one of the reasons I stopped watching Enterprise — the first time I’ve ever stopped watching a Trek in progress. They changed too much of what I saw as fact …”

Ironically, of all the Trek spinoff series, I enjoyed ENT the most. Like TNG, it started off shaky, but by the 3rd and 4th season, it proved to be closely “connected” to the original, and thus became quite entertaining. As for its alleged “canon” violations, I failed to ever see where ENT was any more guilty of inconsistency than TOS was from one episode to another, or the original movies were in relation to the TOS timelines. In fact, I thought they did a fairly good job of tapdancing around it (canon). IMO, since there is NO consistency in what is “canon” from the 1st season of TOS anyway, none of the minor details in those episodes should be taken as “canon” at all.

“It makes it odd to have MY Spock in the middle of NEW Trek. ”

It makes total sense to me, especially since Nimoy’s Spock is apparently in a substantial portion of the film, and crucial to the storyline. When I first saw the new trailer, I’m not sure what made the hair on the back of my neck stand taller—seeing what was clearly the Enterprise, or hearing Nimoy’s voice saying, “Space….the final frontier.”

294. I Love My Moogie - March 14, 2008

#292: ‘Not sure she was ever “yummy”….but that’s what alcoholism/ drug abuse does to people. Ask Carrie Fisher”

Kidder wasn’t classically beautiful but IMHO was very hot in Superman & the Superman II Donner footage. But I have to admit the vision of an aging Maggie cutting off hair & ditching the dentures poured cold water on that fantasy.

Carrie Fisher sadly got old, fat & a Lucille Ball smoker’s voice—-a sad fall from her Jedi harem outfit days.

295. Harry Ballz - March 14, 2008

Carrie Fisher, even during her Jedi harem days?

As I heard first on this site………………m’eh!

296. Jovan - March 15, 2008

“Accepted, but I want real popcorn, not the cloned mash they’re used to churn out nowadays. ;-)”

I’ll sneak some home brew into the theater under a large coat (granted, it’ll be May, but still…). One of us will have to pay for a plane ticket since you’re in Iowa is the only thing. :P

297. Lilly - April 15, 2008

Whats next Spock with a touch of Harry Lime.
If it ain’t broke don’t fix it.

298. Crazy Guy - January 23, 2009

I can see where he’s going with this. A Harrison Ford-esque Kirk. Not a reluctant hero, but definitely a man of action when he gets going…

Something tells me that’s how it was supposed to be from Day 1. Good luck, Mr. Pine, you’ll probably need it.

299. Linda - April 5, 2009

Sorry I haven’t read all the comments before writing this. I think they have to look at Kirk as a developing person. What were the triggers and developments making him the captain we met in the ’60′s. It brings to mind that episode from ST:TNG where Picard has his heart failure and ends up with Q replaying his earlier years and what one simple change would have meant to his career. It would be fascinationg for the writers to explore and develop those developmental plot points.

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