CSUN Transformed Into Academy? [UPDATED] March 18, 2008
by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Star Trek (2009 film) , trackback
It is Spring Break and the campus of Cal State Northridge should be deserted, but instead it is full of people with sci-fi looking uniforms and banners bearing a very familiar emblem. Reports have been coming in to TrekMovie.com today about “Corporate Headquarters” aka “Untitled Paramount Feature” aka….shooting at CSUN. And tonight AICN has put up some pictures.
[spoilers]
Here is one of the reports sent in to TrekMovie.com from a student at CSUN
The CSUN Library is standing in as part of the Academy. There are dozens of extras in red cadet uniforms, along with officer types in more military style dress. I noticed that the cadets were spaced throughout the area in front of the library - no doubt to facilitate multiplying them digitally.
Not much has been done to modify the area. There are bluescreens on the sides of the lawn areas and some of the lighting fixtures have been modified. Also, banners on the streetlights have been replaced with clear green panels with Starfleet “spinnaker” cutouts. A futuristic kiosk sits on the lawn.
TrekMovie.com hasn’t confirmed that it is actually a scene at the Academy, but according to another source, work on “futurizing” the CSUN Oviatt Library began last week. Right now it isn’t clear if this is first unit (meaning Abrams + principal cast shooting scenes with dialog) or second unit (usually just background actors and no dialog). It is known that Zachary Quinto (Spock) was not there as he is currently in Pennsylvania.
AICN has got a few high res images of the crowd and some wacky car.
UPDATE: Another Report [still spoilers]
There was quite a diversity of uniforms. Most were dressed as in red uniforms with gold delta shield emblems where Next Gen crew members wore their pips. Women (including aliens) wore skirts and the men’s were a cross between a bellboy’s uniform and Picard’s dress uniform. Other people wore grey uniforms that somewhat resembled uniforms for imperial officers in Star Wars. There were others who wore uniforms that appeared to be futuristic versions of today’s military officer uniforms.
For the shot they were mostly just milling about. There was an overhead crane shot of the cadets seeing and reacting to something in the sky off screen. Everyone on the lawn pointed in the same direction and ran towards a blue screen at the edge of the area.
As for today, shootings done! Everything is almost down. I never saw Pine or Abrams or any other main cast.
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Red cadet uniforms? Somebody should probably tell them that cadet uniforms are silver.
Hah! That’s cool! I had heard something about CSUN a week ago or so but figured you guys would have more info. Well done to AICN ironically. Thank you Anthony!
“Red cadet uniforms? Somebody should probably tell them that cadet uniforms are silver.”
Look red to me ;)
I thought the delta insignia was supposed to specifically for the Enterprise crew in the 23rd century?
That doesn’t sound like respecting canon to me.
I like the cadet uniforms. They’ve got the same cut, basically, as the TOS dress uniforms. Nice bit of continuity in design.
I also like the very ’60s-looking hovercar :).
Interesting that there appear to be 3 distinct types of uniforms — the all-red ones without Starfleet shield (with hats, and with skirts for women); the gray ones without shield; and the darker gray ones with shields. The dark gray + delta symbol seem, at least in some cases, to be worn by older actors. Maybe these are instructors?
Anyway, I’m liking the look. Can’t wait to see the actual duty uniforms on the principal cast, though.
Think “Kevin” was referring to the fact that Finnegan in TOS had a silver colored “cadet” uniform.
“I thought the delta insignia was supposed to specifically for the Enterprise crew in the 23rd century?”
If you aren’t for sure then you really can’t say…
“That doesn’t sound like respecting canon to me.”
Wow! Too bad I don’t have an overdue book that just would need to go back right about now. . . two states away. . . .
7. Well it doesn’t sound like it is respecting anything to me.
That insignia is supposed to be for the Enterprise crew only.
Sorry, I forgot to add this to my last post.
It wasn’t until the TNG era when that insignia was used for every Starfleet vessel.
MattJC — I know that TOS usually had different insignia for different starships, but I always gagged a bit at the cover story Roddenberry et al trotted out when they started using the insignia universally in the movies (that it was done to honor the crew of the big E because they were just so damn cool, or somesuch). I have no problem just accepting a retcon that the delta insignia was always a pan-Starfleet symbol, but maybe with other symbols used in certain context (insert retcon explanation here).
Actually, TOS wasn’t completely consistent about this either. There were occasions when officers who apparently weren’t serving on the Enterprise wore the delta insignia too (remember Kirk’s former academy classmates in “Court Martial,” for example).
Either way it’s an inconsistency, but this option — the delta insignia for all of starfleet — makes more sense globally to me. Your mileage may vary, of course.
I like!!
what i wanna see is
a believable story, well made and produced
i wanna feel like its a good star trek
What if the change canon.
its a Fiction. If the make it believable. and start telling stories again, based on what star trek was and is all about.
than its a good trek movie.
All this lloking for details for me is just ridiculous
one has to see the bigger Picture.
I for once Wanna see a great monumental Trek Movie again
well made with good actors and a great star trek storie
“Either way it’s an inconsistency, but this option — the delta insignia for all of starfleet — makes more sense globally to me. Your mileage may vary, of course.”
Yes, and keeps it universally recognizable.
You want it recognizable but you also want change.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
Anyone notice the licence plates on the vehicle?
#11 I have heard and read the same story. As cool as the Enterprise may have been it would seem unlikely for any organization to change everyone else’s insignia to match. Even if the crew and/or was respected it seems to disrespect other crews’ identities and/or traditions. Is there anyone here with familiarity with military and other organizations? How do symbols like this evolve and get adopted? Maybe I am the only one that finds that kind of thing interesting. :) That said, I do prefer the insignia as a universal starfleet insignia. As much as I love the Enterprise I like the idea of the Starfleet more because there are so many types of ships and each serves a different purpose: a ship full of science geeks, some ships for more battle type activities, and ships just for exploration on the cutting edge (so to speak) of space.
Yeah!!!
At last real high res pics from the set!! More of it!!
:-)
I don’t see any aliens on the campus… ?!
ah. skirts.
Wow…. Imperial officers are teaching at Starfleet Acedemy…
Han Solo is captain Kirk…
What is next? Darth Vader as the villain?
“You want it recognizable but you also want change.
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.”
It does. Instead of having a million different insignias, give it one look to keep it consistent and recognizable. Simple.
oh god the ol starfleet emblem chesnut. As mentioned it wasn’t consistent in TOS. and of course was quickly dropped after TOS for all the movies starting with TMP because it was a pain and confusing…especially to non Trekkies.
but if you need some ‘fannon’ to hold on to…then the Enterprise used the same logo as all of starfleet because it was the flagship (problem solved)
and if you cant handle the movie because of a detail like that…then you are really taking things too seriously.
But my theory on all the people here like MattJC, Storma and Iowagirl and other Trollettes is that they are not really ‘purists’ they are just angry. They want some other Star Trek XI (ENT movie, TNG movie, Shatner movie) and since they arent getting their pet project there are hear to piss all over this one and whine. Well deal with it. This is the movie they are making and it will be great or it will suck….but things like the starfleet emblem are the last things that will really matter in the end.
#10 “Sorry, I forgot to add this to my last post.
It wasn’t until the TNG era when that insignia was used for every Starfleet vessel.”
It doesn’t really matter too much, in my opinion. The uniforms look very good!
Horray for the uniforms!!
Hip,hip, Horray!
Aw, man! I used to live just a few miles from CSUN! I could have seen some filming of the movie! NOOOOO!
As a Red Dwarf fan, I approve of the Rimmeresque look!
Someone on Aintitcool claims to know from someone working on this, that it’s a second unit job. Apparently it’s the moment where the builders (the guys in grey) of the Enterprise ceremonially hand over the ship to its crew (red uniforms).
And the car is going to fly.
Why oh why do we have 60’s looking stuff.
That “hovercar” is an Aptera Hybrid — an actual vehicle that is scheduled to be sold (sadly in California only) later in 2008.
The official site:
http://www.aptera.com/about.php
Popular Mechanics Test Drive on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2Ke1VWhZJA
Not likely that it will be flying anywhere, methinks.
-Why they have red uniforms..?
If the car is gonna fly hope they take the license plate off it …..
#31 - K-Mart was having a “Red-Shirt” Special.
#28 - I really highly doubt this for some reason ;)
OMG this is so cool and bring on more photos from the set of Star Trek I say!!!!! :)
#29 “Why oh why do we have 60’s looking stuff.”
I would not say “60’s looking stuff”. Seems to me a mixture of futuristic vintage, a timeless look and feel that may be perfect for classic Star Trek.
This is a special ceremony so clearly these are all dress uniforms for the special event. There is no reason to say that the regular academy atire…assuming we even see the Academy outside of this scene… won’t be silver as we saw in the series.
And I’m loving the whole 60’s vibe. Good stuff!
Oh come ON! I get so tired of reading these boards some times! Aside a bunch of retards who yell FIRST!!!, the only other thing I see a lot of is whether or not the new film will be canon…whether it’ll be good… Come on! I’m twenty-nine years old…I’ve been a Trek fan since I was about eight…I’m about as worried as anyone about whether the film will be any good…but COME ON…why not be grateful we have something new coming down the pike?! Why not EMBRACE it and LOOK FORWARD to it?! My GOD, these people are working hard every day, from the writers and actors on down, doing their best to put out a good piece of entertainment…and that’s what it’s all really about, anyway–will the audience be ENTERTAINED? So WHAT if Shatner’s not in it…I love Shatner, but WATCH BOSTON LEGAL or RERUNS! Guys, come on! Is it not one of the main messages of Gene Roddenberry’s future to be open minded? To be tolerant? Kirk even said to Scotty in ST III, “young minds, fresh ideas…be tolerant.” Consider that!
Dear Sisko:
I can only speak for myself - TOS is greatly important to me and what somebody else said on another thread holds true for me, too: Kirk, Spock and the rest of the bunch have sort of become my second family. So, this film naturally triggers some heartfelt concerns in me which are being encouraged by the manner XI is handled in the run-up. Discussing ST in general, and those topics in particular cases with people who feel the same way I do, and with people who have a different view alike, therefore is a very important matter to me.
I’d like take the opportunity to particularly thank you for respecting my apprehension, and my admittedly rather negatively colored attitude, and would like to point out how much I’ve appreciated our many checkered, yet inspiring discussions we’ve shared in recent months, and which surely are serving as a proof of your theory. Oh, and I’m confident that your accusing and name-calling a person who at that time even hadn’t participated in the thread, was a mere inadvertence.
- I really don’t like this ‘new uniforms’…
Nice shots. They are going to have to CGI the grass too - it looks pretty patchy.
The adventure continues…
#30 - nice find there, my Google-Fu wasn’t fast enough, but I knew I had seen it somewhere before.
A..a .. i’m sorry for mistake ..these red uniforms..
re: 41. CanuckLou - March 18, 2008
“Nice shots. They are going to have to CGI the grass too - it looks pretty patchy.”
Absolutely. Everyone knows that Roddenberry believed in the perfection of grass in the future.
I love those mini skirts! :D
Dammit, I want that car!
Sisko If the Shat were in this film I bet Iowagirl, and the rest of the his sycophants wouldn’t care if the Enterprise was shaped like a Romulan vessel so long as their pagan god was in the film.
46. Battletrek
Ditto!
A nice blend of retro ’60s style with some modern sensibilities thrown in. As for the arrowhead, ENTERPRISE showed a sideways arrowhead at Starfleet Headquarters in the 4th season (very similar to the NASA emblem currently used). And it was the first motion picture, NOT the Next Gen. era that used it for all Starfleet vessels. If you’re going to nit-pick the hell out of a couple of photos, do it right. Personally, I hope they chuck all of the entangling and unworkable preconceptions and start fresh. The arrowhead is identified with Star Trek; so it’s in the movie….so what? I love that they brought back the cool ’60s idea of what the future should look like. Not easy to pull off, but it works! Good job to all involved. Looking forward to May, 2009!
Some whine because it looks 60’s…. but those same people then whine if it doesn’t look like TOS… well, the design ethic of TOS was rooted in the 60’s. Some fans whine out of both sides of their mouth.
to number 4: seems as though you can’t leave this film alone MattJC - i think thats pathetic that you (and others) dislike this film so much you still find time to comment on it ;) lol
Little details are what will impress me in post. Like, for example, lets go see this movie, and then look back at something like the grass on the lawn at CSUN. It looks recently mowed, but not well groomed. It’s the small kind of detail that a place like SF Acad (if this is that) would be perfect, pristine, and gorgeous.
Again, a little detail that I wonder if they might dwell on in post, among thousands of others.
PS. That Aptera being there reminds me of seeing a slightly redressed Ford Probe in Back to the Future II. So, yeah, having the Aptera here is fun because it would be akin to BTTF II’s retro-future Ford Probe…
The very dark grey uniform with the hats that have a visor on them remind me of the Imperial officer uniforms in Star Wars, but in general I like the look.
Re: Insignia.
Didn’t all the Constitution Class Ships also have the Arrowhead Emblem on the side along the Nacelles and Secondary Hull????
And what does the Imperial Uniforms refer to o.O
@#1 But maybe the grey uniforms are the new version of the silver uniform ;)
#38 “but COME ON…why not be grateful we have something new coming down the pike?! Why not EMBRACE it and LOOK FORWARD to it?”
Well, for starters, after 20 years of Berma-fied Trek I HAVE to be cautiously optimistic. TNG and the other spin-offs delivered a whole new kind of Trek and it gave me a sour stomach. When I eat something that gives me a sour stomach I don’t relish the thought of eating it again any time soon. That is why I don’t automatically embrace new “StarTrek”, just because it is new and has those 8 letters in the title.
Having said that…this is NOT coming off of Berman’s assembly line, and the whole thing, from Nimoy’s involvement to the miniskirts and ankle tight black boots, makes me want to see this. I’m more jazzed about this movie than I have been for ANYTHING “Trek” since 1991. And I’m not alone. There is a lot of buzz and excitement, not to mention grade A talent, surrounding this picture and I couldn’t be happier about that.
As far as the pictures go, this is obviously the graduation ceremony and I think the caps are nothing more than caps worn for the ceremony. The whole outside gathering has the feel of a recent college graduation with instructors and students mixing about. I think these are simply graduation uniforms and not at all indicative of what cadets or instructors would wear day to day.
One thing we can probably deduce is the fact that, since Pine was wearng the red uniform he is probably graduating, and his scenes will be of Kirk the student rather than Kirk the instructor, who taught Gary Mitchell.
Miniskirts and go-go boots…gotta love it. (unless your one of those who was expecting a radical change…oh well)
Does that car look like a handheld vacuum cleaner to anyone else? Ha. I wonder about the lack of non-humans, though– will they CG some into the scene? It wouldn’t be the same as costumed characters, IMO, but it’d be better than nothing.
Now, now, just because some people say this dislike something - it doesn’t mean they are ‘whining’.
You don’t HAVE to like every single little thing. People are allowed to have reservations, and if they want to air them, this is as good a place to do it as any. It would be far too syrupy sweet and fancopanthic otherwise.
Personally, I *really* dislike the sensor array on the underside of the new Big E in the trailer since it’s a complete lift from the TMP Enterprise.
Still (what’s that phrase the youngsters use…) “stoked” about the whole thing.
One thing though regarding academy canon. Since we never saw the Academy in TOS, we do NOT know what it looked like or what the dress code was. We know Finngean wore a silver top in an episode, but he may have been on the way to the Starfleet Silver Swinger’s Party after class for all we know.
Never extrapolate too much from a sample of 1.
#53…. so right. The delta shield was right there on the ships, not just the Big E. So, that shows the outline has been associated with Starfleet and not merely one ship.
So, to all the whiners about the delta shield…. get over it. It’s Starfleet.
Those poor cadets in those red shirts… All doomed…
How do you think they all die in this scene? Vaporized immediately or transformed into little styrofoam polyhedrons and stomped flat by a giant Gorn?
Re: #49; To quote the classic Trek’s ‘Way to Eden,’ “Yeaaay, brother!” The fans that want it both ways will NEVER be happy. What other film franchise these days gets another shot after the last one makes $40-odd million? My only regret is that they didn’t do this in ‘89 with Harve Bennett’s Starfleet Academy movie. Would’ve been a nice treat to the fans. But, in part because of “fan outrage” over re-casting, we get…..Star Trek V! To quote Uhura in Trek III, “Be careful what you wish for, you may get it!” Harve Bennett was right; as was Nicholas Meyer. So, to Abrams, Orci, Kurtzman and co.; Don’t give the fans what they ask for. Just give us the best movie you can make!
#57… “Never extrapolate too much from a sample of 1.” Good advice. Even Biblical scholars agree that it’s not a good idea to base a doctrine on one stand-alone passage. That’s how radicals come about. Of COURSE there are no radicals here….. :P
And I reserve the term “whiners’ for those that incessantly do just that over miniscule details that usually either don’t matter or have a reason for being the way it is.
The Delta Shield actually became representative of all of Starfleet in the movies…Star Trek II. All the cadets were wearing the Enterprise delta. The crew of the Reliant was wearing the Enterprise delta.
It *wasn’t* the TNG era that started it.
#1: “Red cadet uniforms? Somebody should probably tell them that cadet uniforms are silver.”
They’re red now, and grey. We’ve seen these outfits in previous spy photos from the early days of the shoot, posted on http://www.jfxonline.com.
I was actually there, as I noted yesterday on this very site.
Here are some points:
1. The interior of Oviatt Library was set-dressed with photographs drawn from NASA and other sources. There was also what appeared to be a photo of the NX-01, albeit in futurized form. As a joke, there was also a tipped-over photograph of a bull on the photo display at the rear of the front entranced hall.
2. The Oviatt glass doors were decorated with the Starfleet emblem.
3. SPOILER: At approximately 4:00 p.m., about a hundred cadets rushed toward the eastern blue screen at the Quadrangle and craned their necks upward with excitement as if looking at a starship landing.
You heard it here first, folks. I was there.
#63: “The Delta Shield actually became representative of all of Starfleet in the movies…Star Trek II. All the cadets were wearing the Enterprise delta. The crew of the Reliant was wearing the Enterprise delta.
It *wasn’t* the TNG era that started it.”
Exactly so. It’s always especially funny when someone criticizing the producers for getting the details goes out of their way to demonstrate that they don’t really know the details - it’s like the “Internet law” that any post complaining about someone else’s spelling errors will contain at least one spelling error. :lol:
Here is an image of the REAL scale-model aircraft, developed by Boeing, that was hung next to the image of the futurized NX-01:
http://blog.wired.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/2007/07/30/x48b.jpg
The blended-wing aircraft is known as the XB-48. Speculation centers around the use of this design to seat up to 800 passengers in the full-scale model, but obviously there are no current plans to develop it on the part of Boeing. (Snopes has an article debunking any purported photographs of a full-scale “797″: http://www.snopes.com/photos/airplane/boeing797.asp )
The one linked to at Wired.com is not the exact image displayed at the location shoot, as the one at Oviatt was of the XB-48 in flight.
It’s important to realize that none of these images may be visible in the actual movie.
I love when fans bitch and complain about the little things…it makes me realize why I stopped going to conventions.
P.S. Speaking of continuity. Have any of you DIE HARDS actually watched the Original Series? How many times did they mess-up the continuity there?! Some of you people really need to get your heads out of your asses.
(Correction: As noted above, an image of the REAL scale-model XB-48 was hung above next to the futurized NX-01, but not exactly the same image as found at Wired.com. I tried Googling for the exact image but couldn’t find it, although I had seen it before.)
If the images on the wall are not visible — as almost certainly they will not be — then obviously the futurized NX-01 might not be canonical.
#65 - Ah, perhaps a starship lands on them ending their poor red-shirted lives….
jk
They were using the delta symbol on everything as early as TWOK. Reliant crew had the same uniforms as the Enterprise crew.
Case in point, some of the earlier episodes allude to the fact that the series takes place in the 22nd century. It was later established that it took place in the 23rd.
Kirk makes an off reference to StarFleet having invested MONEY in Spock. It later is said that money does not exist in the future.
I could go on…
I find it funny that they are using the same location (Oviatt Library) that we used on the movie “Sky High” for the titular location. Hope they’re using some mattes.
and, #44, Stanky: “Absolutely. Everyone knows that Roddenberry believed in the perfection of grass in the future”
I’m not sure he was talking about the same grass, though. :)
Hat Rick, thanks again for the info. Ttoo bad you didn’t have a celphone camera to snag some pics of the inside. Yesterday you posted that Pine and Quinto had a scene, but Anthony is posting that ” It is known that Zachary Quinto (Spock) was not there as he is currently in Pennsylvania.”
Maybe it was just a double in make up being used for wide establishing shots.
71, I couldn’t figure out what would so impress Starfleet cadets OTHER THAN a starship landing. It wouldn’t be fireworks, obviously. Everyone’s seen fireworks, and besides, their reaction was too close to shock and surprise, rather than delight, for it to be fireworks.
SPOILER: There were various alien species represented at the shoot, including one who looked suspiciously like the guys who played the windpipe instruments at the barscene in the original Star Wars (A New Hope). Smaller head, though. At the end of the very last shoot, when the extras were dismissed, the extra portraying this character quickly took off his one-piece prosthetic mask — it must have been incredibly stuffy in there!
75, it might not have been Spock, then, but it WAS someone with prosthetic ears who looked like a Vulcan.
I do have various images at my disposal but obviously cannot post them here.
#74
Yup, you’re right. If you mean Kentucky Bluegrass. If not, I have no idea what you’re talking about.
The article says: “It is known that Zachary Quinto (Spock) was not there as he is currently in Pennsylvania.”
That appears to contradict a post yesterday by our on-set spy: Hat Rick
“Well, I did say that they were shooting at CSUN, that Pine and Quinto were both on location, and that there was a cast of thousands. That was this morning.
There were numerous retakes of Pine and Quinto walking down the main exterior staircase of Oviatt Library (standing in for Starfleet Academy). During one of these takes, Kirk took not just one, but two looks at two beautiful brunettes crossing his path.”
Which is correct?
OKay, I just saw the recent posting addressing the discrepancy.
79, I am willing to be corrected; if Quinto was in Pennsylvania yesterday, it was either a stand-in or another character who looked like a Vulcan that walked down the staircase yesterday.
#53, 58 - Actually, it wasn’t the delta shield that was on the pennantry on the ships in TOS, it was the gold “boomerang”, a stylized version of which was seen as the Defiant’s insignia in “In a Mirror Darkly”. The delta shield didn’t become part of the ship markings ’til TMP, as well.
While it was clearly the intent in TOS that each unit assignment (ship, base, etc.) would have its own uniform logo, as has been noted before, the show wasn’t always consistent about it, and even as early as the ’70s, Franz Joseph was postulating that the delta was a standard design for the whole Fleet. As others have noted, it’s something that does make sense, and is a retcon that’s neither new nor particularly jarring. (This might be one of those cases, too, where the current team made one of their “Supreme Court” decisions regarding an inconsistency in TOS.)
Please excuse the multiple postings, but here is something that just occurred to me upon reading 28’s assertion above that it was about the dedication of the Enterprise:
The “rush” scene would be consistent with either a starship (the Enterprise?) landing OR a starship (again, the Enterprise, perhaps) either rising into the air or somehow being revealed. So this lends credibility to the starship-dedication theory.
Question is, if this is so, did the Enterprise land at Starfleet Academy, or was the scene yesterday not of events at Starfleet Academy at all?
By the way, from what I saw, the angle at which the extras looked upwards was higher than the top of the eastern blue screen, suggesting that whatever they were looking at was high up in the sky (at maybe 30 to degrees azimuth). How close the object was supposed to be is up for debate as it did not exist in physical form at the location shoot and it appeared that the extras were simply asked to imagine that it existed and to react accordingly.
This movie is starting to look more and more like Aeon Flux.
I don’t know if I just missed it in the 81 post correspondence, but if you look at the second picture ( http://www.aintitcool.com/images2007/TrekSetBig2.JPG ) and you blow it up to full size, and you look in from the left side about 4 inches and down from the top about 8-10 inches, you see a man in plain clothes walking down the stairs… That’s not JJ, is it? Bears some resemblance to him at least, I think.
A couple more things:
1. The futurized NX-01 was a framed print of a fairly elaborate painting and showed it passing through about several large planets and a small moon. I don’t know if it was a preproduction concept painting before the NX-01 design had been finalized for the series, Enterprise, but it didn’t look like it to me.
2. To the immediate left of the print of the futurized NX-01 was a framed photograph of what looked like the Navy Thunderbirds — a diamond formation of nine aircraft. I’m not sure of the model.
3. To the immediate right was a framed photograph of two NASA astronauts spacewalking right next to a large structure that looked like it was part of the International Space Station. This appeared to be an actual photograph. (The Boeing XB -48 photograph was hung above it.)
Forgive my ancient memory, but I seem to recall somewhere perhaps in a book about the making of ST:TMP, Starfleet switched over to the Enterprise uniform symbol because the Enterprise was the only vesel of its class to return from its original five-year mission.
I’ll admit my memoryof this detail is sketchy at best, but in reading the vaious theories here, that jumped into my head as something I had read a very long time ago.
Ok, just to make everyone happy… the reason for the arrowhead insignia in the courtyard and on the doors, that particular area of campus is “Enterprise Quad”.
Well, I just made that up. It’s fun making other Purist/Canonistas head’s explode! :-)
Nobody said WHICH ERA this academy scene is from, right? Maybe the scene where everyone is rushing to see the landing ship is Ambassador Spock arriving. (How’s that for plot twist theory?)
About that car/thing… isn’t that a motorcycle plate? can anyone chime in how this 3 wheeler is classified, auto or motorcycle?
Something something canon. Something something Enterprise. Something something Dark Side. Oops…wrong show. That’s right, I went there.
I like the uniforms. Might not be totally canon, but I have a feeling that there’s going to be a lot of little things that aren’t canon.
I’m liking the respect for canon: miniskirts FTW!!
is the silver finnagan uniform a cadet uniform ? probably however it could be something else maybe so the red could be cannon or a passin out uniform maybe and also finnegan was older than kirk so it could have been a previous cadet uniform thats the thing with cannon u can usualy find ways around it
They look cool! I asways figured they used University campuses for alot of the outdoor shots of Starfleet command!
85 yeah i thought that too
Canon? What is canon?
I am for you, Canon….
I don’t care if the uniforms are a different color. I hope they DO use that insignia on ALL Starfleet uniforms.
“Inconsistency” was a trademark of TOS. Just as it begun rather unsure of what century it was in, so it seems it was unsure of the policy on uniform insignia.
Spock used to smile and be “giddy” too. It was later established that the pinnacle insignia would be used for all of Starfleet. It is what it is.
Don’t ask Abrams and co. to be “consistent” with inconsistency…
Not trying to be overly pessimistic and negative, but I find the uniforms a little tacky and unimaginative, but perhaps a closer inspection will reveal more detail and creativity.
Oops.
85 did you also see the woman wearin what appears to be a next gen uniform top with jeans ??
“but I find the uniforms a little tacky and unimaginative,”
If that’s the case… then it fits canon perfect!
Yuk, what is with the hats? And the blah, ugly uniforms? They don’t look like Trek cadets, but fascist troopers from Starship Troopers or Star Wars Galactic Empire officers. I hope our stalwart crew does better. These look bland, stupid, and wrong! I’ve been onboard so far, but I hope there is more creativity in the other production values.
There are several easy ways of removing any supposed continuity violations noted about these photographs.
All supposition on my part but they do shoot down the issues.
Since the NCC-1701 was first of the StarShip class, Starfleet chose to make the ship’s symbol the Starfleet Arrowhead.
All the rest of the Starship class got their own individual insignia.
As the number of ships grew rapidly since the first 14, they eventually retired individual ship insignia in favor of the Starfleet one.
Cadet tunics are silver, not red.
Assume that when Academy students are on a training cruise, they wear a modified version of the standard duty tunic to identify themselves as cadets..
Can’t use red, cause that’s support services. So, silver.
When at the academy, you wear red, in the field you wear silver.
See how easy that was.
Keep ‘em coming!
Tom
Sheesh.
#100 - There might be a reason for that “fascist” look. Hasn’t there been speculation that the Starfleet is a bit more militaristic becase of timeline changes? That seems to ring a bell…
Hat Rick
Thanks for the updates! :)
Keep up good work! :)
That “futurized” NX-01 sounds like a geekster nod to the smattering of ST:E fans who must see Jonathan Archer dedicated our favorite E. I was against it a while ago, but am starting to warm to the concept as I revisit the show on video.
Is there a rule against posting links to fan photos? I would assume that Trekmovie.Com has politely declined to signed JJ’s non-disclosure agreement, and that Hat Rick could happily post them. Of course, then JJ puts Anthony in the flick he joins Cawley and Doohan in Landru-land. Would love to see that NX-01.
Also, that “arrowhead” logo is now officially iconic, and is branding. It’ll be on lunchboxes and toyboxes everywhere, so let’s welcome it as a retconned reality. Or we just conjecture that they went to ship-based logos later on.
Most of the time in TOS they showed different insignias for people at outposts…it would make sense that they would get a tad bored being isolated from people and might take up embroidery or modify their ‘insignia’ based on private jokes or events the isolated crews had to go through. Don’t really think its that big of a deal, really.
I mean, Klingons got bumps on their heads and I don’t recall any fans slitting their wrists because of it. Then again, that’s probably the sort of story no one wants to let out.
101
It is common for the movies to violate the continuity so get used to it.
Alright. The mini-skirts. I dig it.
102: You are right. We are supposed to see a souped-up battleship Enterprise at some point, and maybe this is it. Could explain the “futurized” NX-01 as well.
Thanks, 103. This is all for fan enjoyment and I’m glad to see that there is so much interest in what’s going on.
I don’t like how the Enterprise symbol is now representative of all of starfleet. It didn’t become that way til’ the movies, enforcing the fact that the Enterprise crew was the shit. But my head is not exploding.
Definitely cool pics and any NX-01 news is always good.
Re: 82 Alex — Exactly right. Nice post. Accurate, even-tempered, tolerant of change, but knowledgeable about the facts.
Re: 87. Again, you’re right. Like you, I forget the source, but I’m thinking it’s the ST:TMP novelization. Regardless of the source, it points up a tradition of respecting continuity and coming up with reasonable explanations for deviation.
I’m part of the old guard, and I know, and have obsessed over, far more “canon” details than I probably should. I AM looking forward to the new film. I’m willing and happy to buy into the recasting of the classic characters in order to enjoy the film. Every time the new film hits the continuity nail on the head, I will smile. Every time it deviates, it will nudge me out of the Trek universe a bit.
As much as I think TWOK is not only the best Trek film, but an excellent film in its own right, there are things in it that nudge the continuity buff living inside my brain every time I watch it — Khan’s recognition of Chekov and the young California surfers in Khan’s coterie being the two main ones.
From what I’ve seen so far, this production is in fine hands, but I’ll love the movie and its makers that much more for every nod, homage, recreation, and exact copy they give me of my beloved Star Trek.
Scott B. out.
That ‘rocket car’ is actually called an Aptera I believe. It is a hybrid that can get something like 300mpg and should be out soon.
god ….now i want the movie to be out so the “whiners of cannon” and the ” purveyors of progress” can sit at the table and complain about what was wrong with JJ Abrams” Star Trek. I have some ideas on how it should be ,but I accept that it will be different. I just am curious to see how the next phase in this franchise will be. Well if this bickering about differences is any indication of the future of trek well I believe that it is done already! SO let us bring on a new vision of what the future of mankind should be…MAD MAX!!!!LOL:) We don’t need another hero….
#100 - Chill. You’ve said more about the uniforms than the uniforms themselves. Might be taking things a little too seriously.
where is this new nx 01?
106 -
I’m with you, actually. My point was that even if there are canon inconsistencies which I expect, that those who get upset by them can usually find a work around if they’re interested.
Hence the “Sheesh!” at the bottom of my post.
Peace!
A beautiful spring day, miniskirts, and a flying car. Who can complain about anything?
David Gerrold (of “Tribbles” fame) was a student at CSUN, many moons ago. I wonder what he’ll think when he sees his old campus onscreen as Starfleet Academy?
1. Kevin *** “Red cadet uniforms? Somebody should probably tell them that cadet uniforms are silver.” ***
Yeah, that’s right — Cadets wore silver uniforms (well, to be accurate, we only know Finnegan did…I’m not sure about the others), plus they still used “tapes” to store information, and the Earth as seen from orbit had no clouds in the atmosphere. Let’s hope Abrams is changing ALL of these things.
Skirts! Skirts make me happy.
Not just in these pics … I mean in general.
#111—-Scott, I can appreciate your love for continuity, but finding fault in Khan’s recognition of Checkov is a bit shaky. “Space Seed” was only about 50 minutes long, and Khan was on board longer than that! Koenig wasn’t on the show yet, but that does not mean that Checkov was not on board at all. It only means that, being an ensign, he wasn’t yet a bridge officer—or at least, the ship’s primary navigator. Just because we don’t “see” Khan interact with Pavel, doesn’t mean he didn’t.
Having said that, TWOK did make a big boo-boo. I am, of course, referring to Khan’s mistaken dialogue about the timeline.
“On Earth….200 years ago….I was a Prince, with power over millions.”
This is within the continuity of the original episode, but directly contradicts the establishment of the timeframe as being, “In the 23rd Century…” within the film. That, to me, is a continuity error, not the youthful appearance of some of Khan’s minions (after all, they are genetically enhanced).
surely when the film ends everything in it will now be cannon true or false !!?
This board starts to become deja vu over and OVER again!!
Geeze!!
OK… they’re all redshirts and they’re all obviously doomed.
First!!!!!
(Cool car, though.)
I like it a lot. It seems more like old 1940s-1950s visions of what future uniforms would look like — very “Dan Dare, Pilot of the Future.” (google it).
So if we assume a rough design parallel with the 20th century, Kirk’s academy days would have been in the 2240s — and therefore it’s a clever retro inference from the 2260s uniforms — based on the real-world design evolution of how we *thought* the future would look.
So to me, it doesn’t break any canon or continuity; it’s filling in a gap in continuity in a very clever and consistent way. If they pay this much attention to detail here, I can’t wait to see the rest of the movie!
I mean in the real world, at least in Western countries, men still wore relatively formal hats everywhere until well into the 1950s…and we had detachable collars, mandatory undershirts and, before modern stretchy fabrics, sock garters…how quickly fashion changed after that.
After giving this some thought over night, they are using the library as a set, not necessarily as a library. . .
With that said, perhaps the reason they delta emblem is being used, is this could be the scene where Pike leaves the command of the Enterprise to Kirk. . . .
It would keep canon in place and explain why the delta is flying everywhere you look. . . Whatdaya think?
Unless we have SEEN Starfleet academy and all of it’s various facets, no-one can claim that anything we see now or in the movie is against canon. They are creating canon as they film it. And even if something does contradict it, I am completely willing to see it done if it makes a better or more logical movie.
Oh, and the Aptera car is technically classified as a motorcycle; most 3-wheeled vehicles are. The options seem to be either an all-electric or plug-in hybrid powertrain (yay).
However, on their website, they say they’re working to exceed most automotive safety standards. Anything that can get 230mpg is definitely a step in the right direction — once tested and proven they should license the design to manufacturing partners worldwide.
that said, it’s healthier to live in a carfree, dense and walkable city than to have to drive in the first place. Ever notice how future cities in Trek seem completely pedestrianized, and you never see ground vehicles (well, maybe a monorail or something?) Like when Sisko visits his dad’s restaurant, or Harry Kim wakes up back in San Francisco? I know the transporter makes travel easy, but it’s also incredibly energy-intensive even by future standards, so it seems they’ve reorganized cities along much more local lines…i can’t imagine people commute to work in the 24th century :)
I’ve always thought that the Arrowhead symbol was adopted sometime after the E’s 5 year mission for all of star fleet. However, the E was the flagship of starfleet and it makes sense that the NCC-1701 call letters with the “01″ makes it the first one built and there-by having the starfleet logo as its own. I’m as big a purist as anybody, but I find this acceptable.
One tidbit about the “futurized” NX-01: There are downward-sloping fins protruding from the belly of each nacelle and what seems to be some kind of gun-type thing where the main navigational deflector dish would be. The fins are fairly long — I woudl say about a quarter to a third the length of the nacelles themselves. It’s definitely not the NX-01 of the TV series.
WHERE IS THIS NX 01 !!! i need to see it
128:
:D Like I said, with a little imagination it can all be explained away.
As for why a Chinese actor is playing a Japanese.
Simple explanantion?
Sulu was adopted.
According to a post on the AICN article, this scene is for the NCC-1701’s dedication ceremony, where the Enterprise’s builders “hand off” the ship to the first crew.
The CSUN campus is a short drive from my house too, and I have a friend who’s doing the make-up for Simon Pegg, so I’m wishing I had asked her to clue me in to when they’re doing a location shoot (not that she would). I used to attend CSUN about thirty years ago, and while I was there, the (original) Battlestar Galactica series filmed in front of the Oviatt Library, using it as a Cylon base.
Hat Rick, you mentioned you had some spoiler pics that you couldn’t post here, is there anywhere you can post them, you know, for those who don’t mind being spoiled :)
Re: #97. Mr. Poopey face (formerly known as Closettrekker)
“Oops.”
LOL!
Have a good day.
kg
#87, I think that’s in Roddenberry’s TMP novelization somewhere. Someone can probably check that…
ON the Delta… well, clearly someday Delta Airlines is the primary space plane operator, and becomes the UESPA. ;)
Seriously though, there are two other theories… one I think is in the Encyclopedia? That the shape is seen on a “Cochrane function graph” that describes the effective velocity/energy relationships going to higher and higher warp speeds… that you consume a lot more energy blah blah blah…
And the one I’ve enjoyed, is that Jonathan Archer signed his name with a big stylized A, that started in the lower right, swept to the top, down to the left, and curved back to the lower right, this making his A look like a rotated version of the UESPA and Starfleet delta.
Thus, of COURSE, any later Enterprise is going to use that “default” Starfleet symbol instead of creating a new one.
If they are really writing a sequence with olde Archer at the commissioning of April’s NCC 1701, they could even have Archer hand April the insignia….
Kills a bunch of stones with one bird.
OMG!! Nobody noticed all the lights! They’re R2-D2 head domes! The infamy of it all!!!
The building looks very so-so as a backdrop for a film set three centuries from now. In fact, it already looks very outdated. Consider how architecture has evolved during the past 300 years and then extrapolate how much it’ll change in the years to come. I’ve often wondered why Star Trek doesn’t shoot in an unusual, futuristic setting like Arcosanti in Arizona.
Hat Rick…
Why can’t/won’t you post those pix? Here or elsewhere?
Thanks
no. 137
I am sure they will do some CGI magics to make those building bit futuristic.
137 - Anthony,
Tell that to Oxford!
:D
Scarlet & gray, eh? Looks like an Ohio State rally!
looks like hotel bellhop academy.
why is the enterprise arrowhead on all the banners, and not the starfleet command insignia? (and why isnt it drawn correctly?)
is this student body to serve only on the 1701?
#121 - Mr. Poopey face, nee Closettrekker - yes, the continuity fiend gnawing away inside me long ago accepted the retcon of Chekov and Khan’s intimate relationship. And gee, thanks for reminding me of another continuity gaffe that the fiend feasts on! ;-)
I was just making the point that for the fans like me who look at every little detail of TOS and enjoy (for instance) taking all the little tidbits we have of Jim Kirk’s past and weaving them into an internally consistent timeline for the character, or who stared at the Star Trek Concordance or the Star Fleet Technical Manual for hours as wee little fantots, the little things like the delta shield being plastered everywhere in the new film will always cause us to sigh when we watch the new movie.
I don’t accept that I’m a hater of the new movie — which I haven’t seen and can’t judge — just because I like my olde timey continuity. It seems like some folks — not all! — want to relegate us to the rubbish bin for caring so much that we express our concerns on boards like this one.
Love and peace to all.
Scott B. out.
if they do have pics of prev Es and Es insignia i assume it is a ceremony for the new E rather than a passin out maybe these people are caddets at all
Half the time so-called canon is inconsistent as has been pointed out numerous times. The insignia is one of those times. Get over it and try to give the movie a chance.
sorry arent caddets i meant
#138 - I do NOT mean to speak for Hat Rick, but it may be so that he doesn’t get in trouble himself, to which I don’t blame him. Don’t push your luck or anyone else’s on these types of things folks.
#142 - “why is the enterprise arrowhead on all the banners, and not the starfleet command insignia?”
This is being discussed heavily throughout this whole thing.
“(and why isnt it drawn correctly?)”
That’s trivial stuff.
“is this student body to serve only on the 1701?”
Not likely, may be a general graduating class if it is an academy thing at all. With people of all different ages and graduating years it’s not likely.
#132 “According to a post on the AICN article, this scene is for the NCC-1701’s dedication ceremony, where the Enterprise’s builders “hand off” the ship to the first crew.”
Isn’t that also the same post that claims that guy’s personal vehicle starts flying in the movie?
The gray uniforms with the hats remind me more of Forbidden Planet more than Star Wars Empire. Which would be a great nod to one of the major influences for Star Trek.
And all the uniforms look like dress uniforms. Who is to say they aren’t wearing the glittery silver shirts underneath? Or that they wear them in basic duty. For that matter, we know Finnegan was an upper classman. Perhaps its only worn by them. Many possible explanations that can make sense.
Same with the insignia as some have already. But honestly, the ship has sailed on that continuity glitch and it was Roddenberry and the makers of TMP that did it. And yes Gene mentioned the reason for the change in the novel but it was never mentioned in the movie. So there is no official ‘canon’ reason for it.
But the symbol now means Star Trek. So I have zero problem for it standing for starfleet. I liked the other insignias on the other ships. But it isn’t the end of the world that they are going to stay in the past with TOS.
Oh and let me add my huzzahs for the boots, the car, the unis, the banners and especially the skirts and go go boots!
Who’s to say that the delta shield can’t be used.
Stay with me here:
Kirk’s era academy days used the Delta Shield..
Enterprise is a good 20 years old by the time Kirk takes command.
Perhaps the 1701 was one of the first “Five Year Mission” starships and once other starships started to be used for the five year missions, the insignias were changed to avoid confusion.
Later Starfleet would go back to the delta shield to commemorate what Kirk and the Enterprise crew brought to the “Five Year Mission.”
It has also been implied elsewhere that there were those who said that the 1701 was the only ship to fully succeees (and survive) those missions.
Yikes! The WAFFEN SS has invaded Starfleet Academy…
You know, actually, the uniforms remind me of the Visitors. Maybe there’ll be a scene where Kirk unhinges his lower jaw and swallows a rat whole while Mike Donovan watches from the air duct.
For what it’s worth, a poster at AICN said:
Establish and crowd shots
by Jim Jam Bongs Mar 18th, 2008
03:25:50 AM
I can confirm that this was second unit work done for crowd and establishing shots. This is for a commencement event for the first crew of the Enterprise. The red people are the ship’s crew, and the grey people are the ones who built the Enterprise. It’s some kind of graduation ceremony where the ship is symbolically handed over from the builders to its first crew. The futuristic car will be cloned and appear as several parked flying cars surrounding the area — they moved it from one spot, filmed the crowd, then moved the crowd and car to other spots, repeat. This was second unit work. I know this because I have a fellow professional colleague who was there, so that’s all I can say. I do think that Bad Robot “leaked” this to AICN on purpose. It’s their standard MO for teasing the Internet community.
Again, for what it’s worth.. which may not be much, considering the source, where FanBoys Go To Hate What They Profess To Love.
SyfyPortal?
did you guys notice those uniforms??
they look very similiar in style to the CAGE/MENAGERIE ( the jacket over the tunic).
that is too cool!!
#98 The clash of the generations begin! ;)
I don’t see any blue people.
I saw the Kirk/Finnegan fight scene on TV yesterday and I may be mistaken, but Finnegan’s shirt looked silvery-blue, with nothing blue to reflect off of it. That being said..
THERE’S NO SUCH THING AS CANON IN A FICTIONAL WORLD. IT’S FICTION!!! THEY MADE IT UP, THEY’LL CONTINUE TO MAKE IT UP! IF KIRK FARTED TO THE LEFT IN TOS, AND NOW FARTS TO THE RIGHT, FARTING TO THE RIGHT BECOMES CANON.
And for those of you that think silver cadet uniforms are canon, NOT ANY MORE HAHAHAAA!!!!! They’re RED now, and I’m sure most of what you THINK is canon will be quite different by the end of the movie.
Btw, I hope when Shattner dies, he forgets to say “oh my” so all you shattner-humpers heads explode.
“The red people are the ship’s crew, and the grey people are the ones who built the Enterprise”
That sounds very iffy to me personally, but that’s just me.
“It’s some kind of graduation ceremony where the ship is symbolically handed over from the builders to its first crew.”
Which I have trouble with believing as well. Would that mean the entire crew start off as Ensigns????
“I know this because I have a fellow professional colleague who was there, so that’s all I can say.”
I don’t mean to discount this guys credentials, but that is AICN after all…
“he futuristic car will be cloned and appear as several parked flying cars surrounding the area — they moved it from one spot, filmed the crowd, then moved the crowd and car to other spots, repeat.”
Knowing what the car is.. I suppose the guy’s friend says they will also be using MacBook Airs to do their homework on as well?
I totally love mini-dresses. But remember in “The Cage”, “Where No Man Has Gone Before” and a few episodes in season #1 (Charlie-X) — the women also wore pants.
#159 - THERE’S NO SUCH THING AS CANON IN A FICTIONAL WORLD. IT’S FICTION!!! THEY MADE IT UP, THEY’LL CONTINUE TO MAKE IT UP! IF KIRK FARTED TO THE LEFT IN TOS, AND NOW FARTS TO THE RIGHT, FARTING TO THE RIGHT BECOMES CANON.
It’s a well know fact that Kirk farts to the left in the bottom half of the hour…
I think there’s something very subtle in the costume designs here.
I noticed, among other things, that the skirts on the dark uniforms are longer than the skirts on th red ones.
It appears they are visually distinguishing between the two “generations” at the academy.
The older generation, the Grey-black uniforms, look like instructors and officers at the academy, teaching the students all they need to know for graduation. They have a very distinct 40s vibe, like the older generation.
The students, or cadets, in Red, have shorter skirts, and look more like the Starfleet uniforms of the original series.
I don’t think they are going for Facists, aka imperial officers from Star Wars, as has been suggested.
I think it’s aimed more at evoking an older generation, with the new generation trying new things, with more open minds, and boldly going where no man has gone before.
This is at the heart of Star Trek, and at the heart of the 60s. This movie might be a commentary on the 60s through the lens of Star Trek.
I am 99% sure that JJ Abrams has captured the very soul of both here.
Decloaking . . .
MINISKIRTS !!!!! (fist pumps in air).
Cool car, I want one.
Recloaking.
I’m all for school uniforms.
Anyone else like the look of those female uniforms?
Diabolic, your last line is the truest thing I have read so far. Not to take anything away from all the valuable and delicious stuff Hat Trick has posted.
For the canonistas, I put forth the following:
This is not TOS. TOS was a series in the sixties and six movies made from the seventies to the nineties. This is a retcon or a reboot or a re-imagining or a re-inventing or a reinvigorating. Whatever you want to call it. Everyone has a delta shield now because that makes more sense and just plain looks better than all the different mixed up insignias. That would be how I would explain it. And I can very easily live with that. I know it must be very frustrating for those who hate changes, but by the very nature of this project, some things must change.
143: Here’s to the “fantots.” LOL. I am 43, American, and sittting in Stockholm with my $5 Star Trek blueprints of the “Fabulous Starship Enterprise,” checking if Franz Joseph used the current arrowhead or the boomerang. I need to call my kids in New York and make dinner.
I don’t know, while some of us scream and yell about the Shat, ridges, Rom heads, Big E construction sites and STV as the best/worst Trek film, I simply love it (the site, not STV). I’ve only been involved under a year, and I hope Anthony can manage us through the extended waiting period, and that, perhaps, JJ will help just a bit with some official photos.
I am not quite sure if Trekmovie.com is secretly in league with Paramount/Bad Robot, but it is the current Trek site of record. I am satisfied and sometimes elated with its coverage of our “franchise,” and I assume Anthony et al spend lots of time and diplomacy maintaining the balance between pirate radio and official spokesman.
In many respects, Trekmovie.com has started to unite a disparate fanbase after the disgrace of ST10 and the cancellation of Enterprise during its greatest year. I hope we can make a difference and get the show back on TV, which is where Trek truly flourishes.
JJA needs a chance at success, and this film is it.
#168—Yep!
As for the “fantots”, here’s to hoping this movie initiates more of them.
I want Rand as my study partner.
I am happy to see the go-go boots myself. It sounds silly but I’ll be very impressed if JJ and crew can make that look work in the movie. To me it means that they are trying hard to to take as much inspiration from TOS as possible.
142. ***quote: “why is the enterprise arrowhead on all the banners, and not the starfleet command insignia? (and why isnt it drawn correctly?)”***
Do we even know what the “Starfleet Insignia” looks like in the TOS days? It has been suggested in several posts above that the Enterprise may have taken an insignia similar to that of Starfleet’s as it’s own, since the Enterprise was the Flagship of the fleet.
Neat.
Retconning the delta shield is okay by me.
I could do without the miniskirts, which always seemed kinda sexist.
More people need to read the comments to avoid blathering on about the same things over and over again.
Is this a Paramount joke?
Mini’s and go-go boots, there is a Great Bird after all isn’t there ?
Looks like another ILM crowd scene in the works, take 100 people make them look like 500, just like they did for Generations when they needed the crew out on the ship’s hull after the saucer crash landed there.
Only instead of a few thousand it’s a few hundred.
Isn’t this the same Campus that was used in TOS for the fake brain cells flying onto Nimoy’s butt episode ;) [ heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh ]
#174
Yes. Everything is. Go back to bed.
Seriously, what are you talking about?
That ship looks like the timepod from ( http://spacequest.wikia.com/wiki/Timepod ) from Space Quest 4. Perhaps there is a bit of an in-joke there.
I love it!
Ah, Starfleet Academy… can you imagine the bongs Scotty came up with?
And, no cramming. Just find a Vulcan grad student who needs a few credits and he can implant the final in your head.
Well, after carefully examining the photos…I can quite catagorically state that not only does this scene prove that they are adhering strictly to TOS canon, but that Kirk will be in the movie.
See for yourself:
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg187/wlmar/Canon.jpg
(wink, wink)
arrrr…
That weird looking “car”… I recognize it! It’s me old Ford Prefect!
I wondered whatever happened to it… seems bigger … at least they cleaned it up and gave it a good wax…
and my, my, my… look at all tha Redcoats! We English seem ta be getting ready to take back our states, I guess.
arrrrr…
#178—LMAO! Imagine Spock bent over an altar, yelling, “Thank you Sir, may I have another!”
Maybe that was Sulu….
-Well..Space Quest..Star Wars.. a red type of ..underware and some 60’s elements…should mantain the quality of an original ( futuristic..?!?..) trek movie…
Anyway i like the actors…
#154 “Again, for what it’s worth.. which may not be much, considering the source, where FanBoys Go To Hate What They Profess To Love.”
Hmm sounds alot like trekmovie.com to me
#179 Funny! (And quick, too!)
138, I’m reluctant to post anything that might be deemed inconsiderate of the expectations of the producers and for that reason hesitate to post anything photographic. I have, for my personal use, a photographic and very brief videographic record of what happened because I simply happened to be on campus yesterday for completely unrelated reasons.
Regarding the Starfleet Academy versus launching controversy, it was my observation that the behavior of the cadets during repeated general takes of the entire plaza throughout the day was far more akin to students on campus than to a regimented, pre-planned event. For one thing, many of the extras were walking casually in pairs in all random directions. This strikes me as unlike the behavior you would expect if they had all been ordered to attend any kind of formal ship ceremony. (The U.S. Navy has a post-christening ceremony wherein upon the order, “Man the ship and bring her alive!” a large number of sailors that are already lined up and in formation race up gangplanks to populate the ship; there was nothing to suggest that what happened yesterday was a similar.)
Correction: At 83, I said that, “By the way, from what I saw, the angle at which the extras looked upwards was higher than the top of the eastern blue screen, suggesting that whatever they were looking at was high up in the sky (at maybe 30 to degrees azimuth). ” Part of that was cut off. I should have said that it was “at maybe 30 to 45 degrees above the horizon and about 90 degrees azimuth).”
The extras closest to the eastern blue screen were clearly looking above the edge of the screen itself and it’s more than possible to me that the scene will be composited, rather than bluescreened, in postproduction so that this makes sense. However, this is mere speculation on my part, since the use of multiple crane shots (at the southwest corner of the Quad, near Sierra Hall, and at the opposite corner) makes the perspective they will use difficult to predict.
I love canonista logic.
In TOS we see ONE cadet, Finnegan, in a silver uniform.
Therefore? ALL cadets wore silver uniforms ALL the time, and any other possibility is a canon violation. I am an expert! I saw the Finnegan episode!
People just get excited that they think they know something and momentarily feel empowered. It has nothing to do with the merits of the new movie, as art or as Star Trek.
#185 - You will probably have to beat off the lawyers with a stout pole if you release the goods. Still I hope you can appreciate the skepticism of some…
#187—Well put.
It is quite reasonable that engineering cadets might wear one color, and science/medical cadets another.
Or, plebes/midshipmen might wear one color, while upperclassmen wear another.
Still another possibility is that the red could be a more formal top, while the other is more of a utility uniform.
Personally, I don’t care, but it is obvious that some people require a little help to satisfy their need for “fanon”…Whatever color the uniforms are depicted as will be canon thereafter. This, IMO, is no different from the inconsistent presentation of which century TOS-era Star Trek exists. In the series, it is presented as being anywhere from 200-900 years in the future. However, the original films establish, rather contradictorily, that it is the 23rd Century. That is “canon”, is it not? This would not be the first film to completely contradict TOS “fanon”, so what is the difference?
As for the insignia, sometimes TOS-era officers wore a different emblem, and other times they had the same insignia as Enterprise crewmembers, regardless of their own affiliation. Either way they (Abrams and co.) play it, they will be contradicting one TOS episode or another.
Let it go people. “Canon” was always something to have fun with, not something to make you pull your own hair out…
I live about a mile from CSUN and am planning to attend there this fall. This is the first I have heard about Trek shooting there. If I had known about this sooner, I would have wandered over and try to get some pictures.
188, thanks for the good advice.
Thank goodness that as far as I know, my memories are my own, and I can pretty much remember what happened yesterday and there’s nothing to say that I can’t talk about it. I’m not beholden to any confidentiality agreement.
SPOILER: The very last thing I remember the extras doing as a group was assembilng on the exterior steps of the main library / Starfleet Academy as if posing for a class picture.
There was, toward the end of the production day, also a photographer who was aiming his SLR-type camera about a foot from the exterior wall of Oviatt Library and directly at it. I can only speculate that he was taking some reference shots so that the SFX people could reproduce it as background for postproduction.
I can confirm that breakdown of the props and production equipment was virtually complete as of this morning; one of the last things to be carted off was the faux kiosk they were apparently using to block the view of 20th-Century accoutrements such as electrical boxes. The kiosk was hollow and made of wood. The silvery boxlike things embedded on the kiosk were actually aluminum heat sinks of some kind — like the kind you see for heavy-duty car stereio amps. (Hope this doesn’t spoil the illusion!)
Two to one they’re pointing to the Enterprise launching.
Late to the party today!
#87: I remember reading that too in one of “The Making of” books.
Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|
172. Jackson Roykirk: I would guess that the star burst symbol that Commodores Mendez, Stone and Stocker et all wore. As they were all administrative and on Star Bases or going to Star Bases that would seem to indicate that possibility.
I have no problem with the Delta supplanting it.
My brother and I live almost 20 minutes from campus! We could of so checked it out! GGGRRRR… :-(
Here’s something to ponder. Is Star Fleet dumb enough to crew a brand new starship, the mightiest built yet…with an unseasoned bunch of nuggets? When the Navy rolls out a new aircraft carrier, do they load up at Annapolis? I don’t think so.
There are too many unknowns here. I guess in May, we’ll know what’s what.
By the way, I expect the first real Star Trek trailer in May, with the release of Indiana Jones IV. It would make perfect sense, to daisy-chain the two products together.
I can’t believe I read this whole thread. At several points, I expected my head to explode.
Does the phrase “missing the forest for the trees” mean anything to the canon crowd?
About the uniforms: There are at least three configurations of uniforms that I saw yesterday:
1. The red uniform (male and miniskirt female version, the latter with medium-height black go-go boots not unlike the kind Uhura used to wear);
2. The gray uniform with the “Imperial Star Destroyer” officer caps; and,
3. A gray uniform with a more formal headwear like the kind military officers and law enforcement personnel wear today.
The above is also the order of the apparent age of the actors who wore them — i.e., the third configuration was worn by the oldest-looking actors.
The headwear in the third configuration featured the official emblem of the Federation as its crest — the one with a blue starfield surrounded by laurel leaves.
Several of the personnel wore what looked like two-color metallic or metallic-looking badges that had mroe than a passing resemblance to the classic arrowhead design for Enterprise personnel.
My main prediction based on these shots is that they’ll use CGI to improve the quality of those scraggly lawns, to reflect 23rd-century improvements in lawn-care technology :)
[This is not meant as a slight against the real-life learning institution used; I can’t imagine how difficult it must be, with our own decidedly less-than-23rd-century lawn technology, to keep a lawn looking even THAT good when you’ve got students tramping all over it every day]
Plus: Yay skirts!
“The headwear in the third configuration featured the official emblem of the Federation as its crest — the one with a blue starfield surrounded by laurel leaves.”
I used to have a hat with that on it! Wish I still did. Anyway, that’s a good sign, I always liked that design.
Connection with the Royal Air Force:
I found the following illustration of an RAF headgear on the Internet. Substitute the RAF crest with the Federation emblem and you have a very good approximation of the headwear for the third configuration I mentioned above at 202. (Does this mean that the RAF is folded into Starfleet? Perhaps — and so would be the USAF and every other national air force, one hopes….)
Here is the image I found:
http://www.surplusandoutdoors.com/ishop/images/877/HAT-RAF-MENS.jpg
Since we’re talking unis, it might be fun if they work in some ‘miracle fabric’ details, showing how the unis are good in all weather, absorb unsightly sweat, and always smell nice. There was a nice bit in “Ensign Ro” where she removed her tunic, revealing a never explained 24th century zipper/velcro/moleculor bonding mechanism. Maybe that director got tired of seeing the idiotic zipper along the back of those otherwise snappy uniforms.
Please, no rocket boots!
tha RED!
Oh it hurts me eyes!
What type of half-arsed military organization would outfit their people in bright red?
Oh….
Oh…I fergot… me own lovely British redcoats…
Come on. No wonder tha redshirts got slaughtered… like a bullfight… see tha red… GET tha red!
No worries… still seems like a bonny movie ta be sure….ya commie pinkos…
: ) all in love, arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
“but COME ON…why not be grateful we have something new coming down the pike?!”
Why should I or anyone be GRATEFUL, like somebody is doing me a favor by making this movie? It will be good, bad, or mediocre, but this is an endeavor to (a) make money NOW and (b) make money in the future on “the franchise”. If the movie is good, I will certainly appreciate it and enjoy it, but to tell me that i need to be GRATEFUL that wealthy people are making a movie for a super-wealthy corporation in the hopes of making more money AND I haven’t even seen frame one of said movie, seems like a real stretch to me. I am not going to be guilted into not being a cheerleader for a movie that I haven’t even seen yet! How about a dose of common sense instead!
204 Grand! Just wanted ta repeat it: “Plus, it’s an excellent time for establish and foreshadow Kirk’s lust for the Enterprise.”
arrrrr
re-59 Red shirts on cadets,opps perhaps they pointing towards a falling piece of space debris which destroys starfleet acadamy resulting in starfleet changing the cadet’s uniforms to a silver one! Just joking,these new scenes look very well,I wish I could have attended that academy,it looks cooll !
The car is an Aptera, right? Those suckers are supposed to get 230 mpg!
I wonder if the different colour uniformes refer to a different graduating year. It’s silver for one year, red for another, green and so on…….. anybody?
A few notes.
The Enterprise was NOT the flagship during the original series. That nonsnese didn’t start until TNG.
There is probably a way to figure out a system by which the Enterprise delta was, at one point, a general Starfleet insignia, then later, every ship had its own distinct insignia, with the Enterprise retaining the delta, then by the time of TMP, Starfleet went back to the delta (although the fine folks who were reduced to .jpg’s at Epsilon 9 were wearing unique insignias on their uniforms.
Oh, and as to why we feel so confident extrapolating from Finnegan’s uniform? Because it’s a UNIFORM!! As in “THE SAME AS EVERYONE ELSE!!” Or at least the same as a lot of others (that same uni showed up on a background guy in the bar fight in “The Trouble With Tribbles”, although he looked a tad old for the Academy).
And if they are seriously thinking of launching the Enterprise FROM THE FREAKIN’ GROUND! then we are heading right back to “I ain’t goin’ to this one” territory.
There once was a director named JJ
Who messed with the Great Bird’s baybay
Said “I’ll take his design
and replace it with mine
and drive all the purists crazy!”
#211
Have you met Harry Ballz……?
lookin’ a lot like starship troopers
I heard the sky was falling. Any news?
Spockanella, nice limerick!
#210 : ” it’s a UNIFORM!! As in “THE SAME AS EVERYONE ELSE!!” Or at least the same as a lot of others (that same uni showed up on a background guy in the bar fight in “The Trouble With Tribbles”, although he looked a tad old for the Academy).”
Wherein you manage to make an empty claim for generalization from a single instance and then blow it to smithereens within two meandering sentences.
Gotta love the fandom. Well, okay, no we don’t.
Lets see if we can settle the whole “Delta insignia at the academy is not canon” debate shall we.
According to the “Star Trek Star Fleet Technical Manual” produced in 1991 (ISBN: 1-85286-396X), the delta shield is used by all the armed forces in Star Fleet. See this page: http://www.tcln.com/s.jpg
This document bears no mention of the delta shield just belonging to crew of the enterprise.
Sorry, but the “Star Fleet Technical Manual” was first published in 1975.
While it has been reprinted many, many times, it has never been revised or updated to reflect any Trek after the original series.
It was drawn, designed and written by someone who did not work on “Star Trek,” although he may have spoken with one or more of the artists and producers at some point.
In short, the Tech Manual is a nice piece of work which isn’t “canonical” in any way. A few of the drawings and designs in it were eventually adopted for use as background imagery in a couple of the Trek movies, which makes them part of onscreen continuity, but that’s it.
Looks like a graduation day to me rather than a regular day at the Academy.
That could be an explanation to the Silver/Red argument.
Silver as a training cadet
Red as a formal dress for Graduation Day.
All the teachers wear Silver/Grey as their formal dress for Graduation and when they teach, they wear their usual colors.
“While it has been reprinted many, many times, it has never been revised or updated to reflect any Trek after the original series.”
That’s my point, this document was written based on information available at the time of TOS. Does anyone else have any other contradicting evidence regarding the use of the delta shield in the TOS era? Also I think Franz Joseph did a little more than just “speaking to” some of the artists and producers. The information in this book is fairly in depth. It has the entire “Articles Of The Federation” printed in it, as well as the fabric cut out guide for Star Fleet uniforms and exact colour charts.
215. THX-1138 - March 18, 2008
“I heard the sky was falling. Any news?”
Still falling… news at 11.
The idea that it’s a graduation ceremony is interesting, but, again, the behavior of the cadets doesn’t necessarily support that. When I think of a graduation ceremony, I think of a pretty well-ordered event. People are dressed to the nines and act formalistically. While the red (crimson) uniforms are nice, I don’t think of them as particularly formal, and it didn’t seem to me that the cadets acted in a particularly formal way, either. No hats were thrown either, needless to say.
I don’t mean to imply by my comment about the “class picture” that this was a graduation ceremony. For all I could tell, it might have been for the Starfleet yearbook. Or it could even have been that the producers wanted a group photo of the extras, although this is fairly unlikely (I’ve never heard of such a practice).
The shoot continued for a little while after the extras were dismissed. Not sure if this was for pick-up shots or not, but I thought I saw a lone cadet or two walking down the main exterior staircase in a somewhat dramatic way.
By the way, watching over the entire production was a detachment of police officers, one of whom struck me as a virtual doppelganger of a certain engineer named Scotty in his later years.
#220, 222 - Franz Joseph had, at he time, a very close relationship with Gene Roddenberry, one which ended in the ’80s, IIRC. But I think Ryan’s point is a good one. It’s not that anyone’s claiming the Tech Manual to be canonical; it’s that the idea of the delta shield as a Fleetwide insignia was already in play only a few years after TOS was cancelled.
[Blink…] Looks like something got deleted while I was writing my last post. Make that 218 and 220, then. ;)
#220: “That’s my point, this document was written based on information available at the time of TOS. Does anyone else have any other contradicting evidence regarding the use of the delta shield in the TOS era?”
It was based on Franz Joseph’s observations based on material publicly available at the time rather than any access to the studio’s material or records, and was recognized even then as containing significant errors relative to the actual props, designs etc (check out the phaser drawing. Most of this was based on publicity stills and the photos contained in “The Making Of Star Trek,” which were dark and inaccurately cropped).
” Also I think Franz Joseph did a little more than just “speaking to” some of the artists and producers. The information in this book is fairly in depth. It has the entire “Articles Of The Federation” printed in it, as well as the fabric cut out guide for Star Fleet uniforms and exact colour charts.”
The “Articles of The Federation” were fabricated by FJ by cribbing the charter of the United Nations - they didn’t come from Roddenberry, Paramount or anyone associated with “Star Trek.” Similarly the fabric cut-out guide, colors etc were extrapolations Joseph made, entirely on his own, from photographs. The fabric patterns, for instance, are not at all accurate to the patterns used on the TV series - nor are many of the color references.
On the available record, there’s little to suggest that Joseph spoke directly with Roddenberry or anyone who worked on “Star Trek” while he was putting the TM together. I’m being generous by assuming that some letters may have gone back and forth at some point - in fact, Joseph was dealing directly with Ballantine Books in New York, and Paramount exercised only the most cursory of approvals on the project.
That silver disco outfit that Finnegan wore looked absurd. It was as if my grandmother went wild with her BeDazzler™. Please, by all means, let’s ignore THAT particular piece of canon! :)
It sounds like there’s going to be an attack or something else significant travel by or to the academy… Sounds the beginning of some good action scenes ala Kirk saves the day…
The more I hear about the movie the more excited I am. I can’t wait!
Interviews with Joseph, his daughter, and a timeline of his interactions with Roddenberry are available at http://www.trekplace.com. Based on all evidence, to say that he had a “close” relationship with Roddenberry would be wrong - he had occasional, cordial exchanges with Roddenberry during the time he was working toward publication, mainly based on GR’s commercial interest in possibly marketing his drawings through Lincoln Enterprises.
The “cordiality” apparently went out of it fairly quickly when they tried to work together on “Planet Earth,” based on issues of ownership of Joseph’s designs for the show.
Joseph lays out his research and reference process for drawing the Manual pretty clearly in those interviews. His information didn’t come from the folks working on the show but from public sources. His plans and drawings were presented to GR pretty much as completed work and a publishing fait accompli - Roddenberry didn’t own the rights to license “Star Trek” material, Paramount did.
Joseph’s daughter sums the situation at the time of the Tech Manual up as follows:
“GR had negative feelings toward FJ for several reasons. (1) GR had wanted to publish and distribute the Ship’s Plans and Tech Manual through Lincoln Enterprises, his wife’s (Majel Barrett’s) business. When GR would not give FJ straight answers over who owned the rights to Star Trek (or finalize marketing plans after nearly a year of discussions), FJ went over GR’s head and queried Paramount Pictures about said rights. At that point, Paramount took over the negotiations, hooked FJ up with Ballantine Books, and collected the resulting royalty payments instead of GR. “
Here is a photo of the futuristic vehicle used yesterday at CSUN. It looks exactly like the Aptera, a real vehicle.
In the background is the planetarium building where it was parked during lunch.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3254/2343567613_401f44723b.jpg?v=0
Sorry — I mean that it was parked next to the planetarium building, as depicted, during lunch.
Pardon me for sounding lazy, but I haven’t seen the whole Finnegan episode in ages … is it actually stated on screen that he’s wearing a cadet uniform (instead of just some ridiculous civilian gear in a style he likes … or a style Kirk imagined he would like)?
I’m not suggesting anything one way or another, and I normally don’t like to slip down into the mud of canon discussions anyway (because I don’t care), but all this talk has made me curious: is it _really_ canon that it was a cadet uniform, specifically and explicitly?
The AICN photos appear to have been taken from about the third or fourth floor in one of the open-air stairwells of Sierra Hall — probably the northern one that goes all the way up to the eighth or ninth floor. The obstruction was apparently caused by the diamond-shaped grid fencing that closes the stairwell off to prevent things (or people) from falling out of it. The photos look eastward across the Quad. Available to me are several photographs taken from the eighth floor.
However, the following was taken looking southward across the Quad and near ground level.