TOS Remastered Season 2 Coming On DVD (ONLY) March 21, 2008
by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: DVD/Blu-ray, TOS Remastered , trackback
A few weeks ago we reported that Paramount had cancelled all HD DVD titles, effectively killing off the planned (but never announced) Star Trek Remastered Season Two on HD DVD / DVD combo (Season One was released last November). Now TV Shows On DVD is reporting that CBS and Paramount are going ahead with TOS Remastered Season Two, but for DVD only.
According to the TVSODVD report, the Season 2 TOS-R set will have a street date of August 5th. TrekMovie.com had previously reported that work was close to completion on the HD DVD / DVD combo version for Season 2 when Toshiba threw in the towel on HD DVD. That was supposed to be out in summer, so it looks like they are going forward, but without the HD DVD side of the disk. No pricing, or other details are available, including any information about a Blu-ray version. In fact, Paramount is the only studio that has not announced a single title on Blu-ray.
By the way, Season One of TOS-R (DVD / HD DVD Hybrid) is now now discounted at Amazon to $96.95. The non-remastered Star Trek DVD sets (Seasons: One
TrekMovie.com will follow-up on this story as more details become available.
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so then… what’s the point?
stupid if u ask me
ok…
I got the HD DVD plus the Toshiba player based just to watch the first season in HD remastered. To quote Scotty, fool me once, shame on you. . .
Considering Paramount is typically known as the one major studio that has it’s head up it’s ass more than the others, this shouldn’t come as a surprise. Isn’t releasing these HD masters on SD DVD only sort of defeating the purpose? Not a very smart move.
better to wait for blue ray and the new re remastering that they are probably going to need to do in another 3 years. note hint of subtle sarcasm. I bet the new case will be a real collector item .
Daren, not everybody has bought into high definition media. I agree with your comment though! I’d like it on HD.
The market for standard def DVD’s is still a huge one.
What else are they going to do? Paramount, stupidly, put all of their weight behind HD-DVD and it failed. It makes no sense to release an HD product on SD, but Paramount probably doesn’t have a lot of options. Typically happens when you make pour decisions. They better hope that Star Trek succeeds in theatres next year. They need something to bank on, and it hasn’t been their recent business decisions.
I’m waiting for the Blu Ray. I’m not going anywhere near this.
I satisfied myself with specific episodes of Season One from iTunes for Remastered, so I never really cared about the Star Trek HD Season One. I had been waiting for Season 2, and Since it’s not on itunes (yet), I’ll have to settle with the DVD’s. Besides, It’s the same quality of iTunes, but Season 2 is IMO the best Season out there. I await the release on August 5th with eager patience. Season 1, ok, Season 2, the best TOS episodes, Season 3, only one or two good ones.
Wow, this seems incredibly stupid.
Has the feel of “strike his name from every pillar” to it. If TPTB get burned, anything associated with their humiliation pays the price.
Once again, my interest would soar if only CBS-D would take one more pass at even some of the most glaring boo-boos. Make the E model consistent. Fix more of the lesser quality phaser shots. And make the blue flame come out of the temple BLUE.
Lame
Good. Fine. Just get the DVD versions out of the way this year so that we can be sure the Blu-ray’s next year will NOT be combo discs and they will NOT charge us a ridiculous premium for owning both in the same set.
Wait. Who am I kidding? They will charge us a premium anyway. So CBS Paramount — you better seamlessly branch the unmolested original versions on the Blu-ray’s too. We know you telecined and remastered the ENTIRE, original 35mm episodes in HD, then just cut in the CGI… so just give us the originals too.
You might as well, as they are just sitting there. It would be an incentive for those that bought the Season One HD-DVD.
Whatever. I won’t be getting this. I’ll wait until they do the HD version.
Someone at Paramount just needs to take its head either out of the sand or out of thier own ass, and produce them in BlueRay. It is now the STANDARD format, get use to it.
Even more Lame than 10 minutes ago
I am waiting until the remastered episodes are re-remastered for VHS.
Agreed with number 10; picking up a few favorites on iTunes is about my speed. Any word on Season 2 availability there?
Lord Garth, your vitriolic entreaties have become so tame. What happened, dude?
Seems like a good time to get genuine TOS for an unbeatable price. You know, the real stuff without CBS-D kiddie CGI.
And if Paramount is reading and wondering whether I’d be buying the whole kit and kaboodle if I couldn’t pick and choose on iTunes, I wouldn’t. I’m good for about $10 toward this, ah, this enterprise, not $100, so by participating with iTunes, Paramount gets a little money where they would otherwise get none.
That’s my sad little plea to hurry up and make the episodes available.
By the way, all three seasons of the original series (not remastered) are available for viewing for free at CBS…
http://www.cbs.com/classics/star_trek/video/video.php
DVD is good enough for an old series which didn’t have sets which were built to HD standards. HD for TOS is unnecessary overkill.
Lame indeed Lord Garth, but not unexpected.
These, like almost everything else filmed in HD, will come out on Bluray once the suits think the market is ready.
The trouble is, the TOS disks forced a few people into HD-DVD that may otherwise have sat on the fence. Not all that many people will have bought them purely for the DVD flipper side.
So, many of the hard core Trek consumers have already committed to the HD format. These people will probably not be the Bluray market this year.
This is the main thing.
THIS YEAR, most HD Trek fans are on the losing HD-DVD side. They’ve just been burned and don’t feel like buying HD in another format right now.
So, the suits think we’ll be compelled to buy whatever slops they throw at us this year. Next year, once we’ve forgotten about their strategy, we’ll buy the Bluray, ‘better’ option.
No point bringing it out this year, the market isn’t there.
I would suggest that the market isn’t there for SD TOS-R either.
I’m certainly avoiding it like the plague it is.
@14 – Justin. They ARE just sitting there. But they are slops. I don’t do slops.
Please guys, this is an intelligent crowd on this forum. Only buy this if you are NOT holding out for the HD versions. Otherwise we’re being suckers. If you bought the HD DVD version just for the DVD version, then this will be a more sensible option for you anyway.
Sorry if I’m ranting but I hate being played. And this feels like someone is doing cynical releases. Again.
No thanks, Paramount.
What is the point of re-mastering the episodes for Hi-Def if they do not release the episodes in Hi-Def?
I understand that HD-DVD just died, and season 2 was already in the works, but their is plenty of time to release in Blu-Ray by August as well.
@me “The trouble is, the TOS disks forced a few people into HD-DVD that may otherwise have sat on the fence. Not all that many people will have bought them purely for the DVD flipper side.”
Tha’t not what I meant. What I mean is…
If you were a hardcore trek fan likely to buy HD… you’ve already gone for HD DVD (maybe especially for Trek, I know I did).
So, the hard core HD buying trek crowd isn’t on Bluray this year. We went with the other guy, the $1,000,000,000 losing side.
Sorry if my ranting lacked clarity and precision, but I was whacking the keyboard like it was spiders….
Gosh… but this item vexes me…
I’m fine with it. This is what I wanted in the first place because I didn’t own or care about anything regarding HD and Blue-ray. I just wish that the Organians had put a stop to this insane war long ago.
cmdrR – I love my work
Why would anyone purchase this in standard DVD? It won’t look all that much better than the SD DVD versions that I already own. The only way I would purchase the series is if it was in a HD format. I have no reason to buy this rehashed on SD DVDs. Two words…Paramount sucks!!!! They are almost as bad as George Lucas who has released Star Wars in so many different versions that Ive lost count
Yooohoooo…..Paramount Home Video(or CBS, or whatever you guys call yourselves at the moment)….are you reading these posts?
I’m just laughing my ass off.
As the production budget went down in seasons 2 and 3, there were probably more things you wouldn’t want to see in HD.
I’m sure Paramount will bring out the HD versions, whether it’s on iTunes, Xbox Live, or even Blu-ray eventually.
All I want is the freakin’ Billy Blackburn home movies on a stand alone disc…is that too much to ask for??
Actually, if they re-released Season 1 Remastered (DVD Only), and accompanied it with a Season 3 (DVD Only) for a low enough price, it might be worth it.
Either that, or Paramount could convert the episode masters to Blu-RAY for the Hight Def market (may be coming).
@31 – 75
@32 – No, they have people do that for them. Those people then only report the happy news. (”There were FIVE positive posts about the news on Trekmovie.com too my liege”.. “Excellent Smithers, fire up the presseses”.)
@34 – You have NO idea how bad Leonard Nimoy’s pores are until you’ve seen TOS-R in HD. (It isn’t the tagline that’ll sell the format is it?)
@35 – Yes, far too much. Consumer choice means buying the things that the suits choose for you.
I bought into the toshiba hd DVD player mainly for ST TOS,(and the phaser remote) but my player will upscale ST TOS season 2 to a pretty good picture quality, so dont be suprised if season 2 sells pretty well, not as well as season 1, but as long as the price is not crazy high (doubtfull) it looks like I will be the only one to ADMIT purchasing season 2 remastered DVD and if it is ever released in hi def format, I will buy that also, call me crazy, but season 2 has some pretty good remastered episodes, and as much as they have been chopped up in syndication, it will be nice to see the entire remastered episodes.
I just love my Star Trek….even if I am allowing myself to get raped.
I’m just glad the format war is over, but couldn’t Paramount just wait a little longer and release the Blu-Ray and SD DVD versions simultaneously (not on the same disc or any silly thing like that, I mean independent media formats), to avoid confusion among the consumers.
Oh, but wait, confusion among consumers tends to give rise to impulse buying, so it’s all just gravy for Paramount — even though clearly they must be hurting at the demise of HD-DVD.
And I’ve given up on iTunes doing anything expediently or sensibly.
It all just seems so… inelegant.
23. Frank – March 21, 2008
By the way, all three seasons of the original series (not remastered) are available for viewing for free at CBS…
http://www.cbs.com/classics/star_trek/video/video.php
Yeah, I was going to post that somewhere.
I’ll be using the $50 gift certificate that Best Buy is sending out to HD owners to buy the remastered 2nd season and enjoy it on my $99 HD player that not only upconverts standard DVD’s beautifully, but also plays the $10 HD-DVDs from the bargain bin at georgeous 1080p.
Call me crazy, but I’m even going to buy yet another HD player from SAMS this weekend for $69 as a backup and keep it in the closet for a rainy day. So, I will have gotten 2 players, a library full of HD movies and season one of Trek remastered all for the price of one stand alone blu- ray player.
Being the owner of a dead format does have it’s benefits!
yeah i may buy another HD DVD player too in case the one I have now fails it is a good idea
#33 Sean Paramount picked a strange time to go to blue ray before they were done with this remastering. What do you think the chances of them doing an enhanced version of the remastering Maybe with Eden involved this time. If they are going blue ray a new remastering couldn’t hurt, and i suspect they will get plenty of buyers for the new upgrade.
12. CmdrR
I agree with you, my interest would increase greatly if only CBS-D would take at least one more pass at the effects but then release it on Blu-ray.
This is the perfect chance to improve on the missed chances and uneven work CBS has produced.I hope they take the chance to do it but I know they probably will not.
Bullshit, Bullshit, Bullshit…
43, the Word is …zero. The moment the CG animators finish “Turnabout Intruder” Paramount will begin milking this newly created hybrid until the udders fall off.
Now that Paramounts stupidity knows no bounds, they will release the Star Trek movies that they are cleaning up now on DVD only and not Blu Ray.
You heard it here first.
After all, aren’t they releasing Indiana Jones on DVD only as well???
Silly.
I think this sort of logical. I’d like to see it in BR but a lot of people have been waiting on this for a long time and then they got the rug pulled out from under them. I think that maybe they should have released them on reg. DVD all along and waited to see what happened with the format war for later release in HD. I for one am looking forward to this and will buy it the second it comes out. I mean we’re talking ” The Doomsday Machine ” !
I’ve got the HD DVD of season 1 and it looks great in HD but I’d just be happy to have a copy without commercials and uncut!
paramount will never get another dime from me for dvd in any format. blu-ray digital downloads will be available in a few years (see itv), and priced to that market .
and besides. they look just fine on my powerbook when i download them from itunes. at least they’re uncut, and the computer screen rez keeps things pretty level as far as the remaster goes. at $1.99 an episode, i consider this a deal.
I hope that Paramount sells the seasons 2 & 3 DVD’s for about $50 at the most. The 1st season is only worth $96, & it’s already in HD, plus the TOS season sets are about $40 now , so I think for a non HD product w/ incomplete, & occasionally cartoonish effects, $50 seems fair.
I am one of those who bought into the Trek-on-HD-DVD hype. I expect Paramount to offer me Season’s Two and Three remastered on DVD for free.
If you want me I’ll be sitting by the mailbox.
I’m not buying another disk until it is re-re-remastered in 3D.
To be honest, that’s irresponsible marketing by CBS. They have a year to ramp up for Blu Ray sets of the remastered series (to coincide with the new movie’s release). This double-dip can only serve to hurt their future sales and probably annoy any unwitting consumers who buy this set. This move deserves a big shoulder shrug from us fans.
Come on people, don’t buy this.
Paramount needs to take a loss on this to prove what stupid decision-making this is.
Hey, as long as the packaging is the same to match my season 1, I’ll be a happy camper! :-)
I got the HD/DVD season one mainly for the standard-def DVD side so the news of a standard DVD release for season two is fine by me.
Actually GREAT NEWS for me!
I never cared about HD DVD or BluRay. The only thing I am interested is the new SFX shots. Since I’ll never buy any BluRay at all I’m really glad about this release.
Including boxed sets, I own 10,000+ standard DVD discs to date (and counting) and I’m certainly not gonna replace all that for some higher resolution version. So this move is the BEST NEWS in months.
I own the first season but just for the DVD side…I never cared about the HD DVD side. So yeah, I really hope this is true…
I don’t share the outrage and negativity. If this wasn’t coming out on DVD I would not be able to watch remastered Trek for years, until it comes out on Blue Ray. Now I can watch remastered Trek, uncut, versus not being able to watch it at all. So this is very good. I would not expect Paramount to come out with an HD DVD at this point, considering it is a dead format with no chance for significant sales. Just glad I’m getting my remastered Trek.
Sorry to interupt the negativity festival. Now back to our regularly scheduled programming….
All of this just screams of the disorganization within this project and within Paramount.
Also, it just goes to show that patience is a virtue…
#18
Personally, I’m waiting for Betamax.
Yet even more lame than ever !!!! I say we use the first few sets from the factory for our Inaugrial, First Ever !!!! 2008 Trekmovie family member Skeet Shooting Tourney!!!! I’ll bring my Ithaca Gun Co., AmericanWalnut, 12 gauge. (quite a lovely firearm!!!) Those with Phaser remotes bring them and we can have one of our engineering geeks modify them to fire buckshot!!!!
Yeeeeeehaaaaaaaawwwwwww !!!!!!!!!!!
People, Standard DVD’s will play in a Blue Ray Player…upgrades them to near HD. Our HDMI player does the same for standard DVD’s also. The pic quality…hard to tell the difference between blue ray or HD upgrade from your new player.
#62 — Obviously you either don’t have an eye for detail, your HDTV is too small for your viewing distance, or you don’t own an HDTV. Upscaled DVDs look fine, but they don’t even compare to having the true 1080p source version, the sharpness and detail is clearly superior.
We have a 50 inch HDTV. The player we have upgrades Standard DVD’s to 1080p. I’m big on electronics…I HAVE a eye for detail.
Uh Oh girl fight !!!
Then I’m really lost as to how you don’t seem to see the softness of standard DVDs. And yes I’m aware of what an upscaling DVD does. I own one too. You can’t make 1080p out of 480i, the information just isn’t there, you do get a pretty decent approximation consider the huge deficit of information, but I still think we have every right to be ticked off that we don’t get TOS-R in 1080p, the extra resolution really helped bring out details (for better and worse).
Blu-Ray DAMNIT!
Not get into a really bitchy comment war, but you will notice I did not just ask the size of your HDTV, I did that for a very good reason. I said you may be too far away from your HDTV given its size. There is a point of diminishing returns for your eye to resolve fine details. If you have a 50″ but are sitting 10+ feet away from it, you will not really see the fine detail of 1080p.
http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.html
This project is and has been a complete insult from the beginning. Paramount/CBS crippled their effects people by rushing them through the special effects….and now they’ve made fools of themselves by buying into a single technology that has flat out failed.
Load of crap! I hope somebody at Paramount gets their head on straight and greenlights another pass for the unfinished look of these sfx. The series deserved to be treated better than this.
Amen my brother I’ll put you down as a yes for our Inaugrial TrekMovie remastered standard dvd skeet shoot !!!
69: They honored a show with budget and FX limitations with a restoration with budget and fx limitations. Where is the logic?
Upscaled DVDs look good. I agree but true 1080P is unmatched. However, upscaled Enterprise DVDs looked better than TOS-R HD-DVDs to me. In a Mirror Darkly upscaled blew my mind compared to the remastered effort. This needs a summer of fine tweaking before it should be released on Blu.
Star Trek TOS deserved better. Right on New Horizon.
I personally find this to be great news. I am NOT made of money and as a result I can’t afford a Blu-Ray player and so Blu-Ray discs would be a waste of money. I also love TOS-R and I WILL buy TOS-R on Standard DVD if it’s at a reasonable price. I firmly believe that TOS-R will be released on Blu-Ray but that it will take awhile as they have been working toward HD-DVD for a while. The DVD version is probably ready by now and since CBS has been promising releasing it on standard DVD as well as HD is seems CBS is deciding to keep one of their promises in regards to STAR TREK. This type of behavior should be COMMENDED not VILIFIED! Great news CBS!
Doc, you forgot to say 1st.
#71 and other naysayers….- “Enterprise” was a new show for broadcast. TOS is over 40 years old and in 2008 gets a tiny fraction of the ratings that a new show would get. Given that reality, it is illogical to expect TOS remastered to get the same budget and level of care as a new show.
A better comparison would be between the remastered effort for TOS and the other remastered efforts for the other 40 year old shows. Or old shows of any age for that matter. So, how does remastered TOS fare in that comparsion? Well, there aren’t any. Talk about half glass empty. We are very very lucky TOS was remastered- it’s never been done before with a TV show. I wish the remastered effort was better, but I’m still very very grateful it happened at all. But that fact seems lost on most people here.
To all those people complaining about how it’s not being released on Blu-Ray. You may be made of money and be able to spend on every new gadget that comes out but I, and I’m sure many others, am not. You buy what you can afford or not at all! Stop complaining and let others enjoy the offer! Lately, all you people can do is find something wrong with everything! It seems CBS is damned if they do, damned if they don’t. (Yes, I know CBS has done plenty that deserves criticisim!) All I have to say is that finally CBS is doing something right and all people can do is complain. If they didn’t release TOSR-R on DVD but only on Blu-Ray I’m sure others would complain because they wouldn’t be able to AFFORD IT!!! It is also true that DVD will play on Blu-Ray players and that you will get more quality out of your DVD’s (not as much as Blu-Ray, but still it’s an improvement!) So why waste money on overprised technology you don’t need anyway (at least not yet) and enjoy the moment. By the way, from what I understand MOST companies plan to continue to release things on BOTH DVD and Blu-Ray for a while. So for the last time, STOP COMPLAINING!!!!
Gary Seven, well said! I completely agree with you. Finally someone is being reasonable!
I’m waiting for it to come out on flashcards.
Fashcards? I’m waiting for it to come out in cave drawings.
and you thought George Lucas had the market covered on stupid releases…
Gary Seven, I agree that the studio sees it that way, that we should be very, very, lucky that they took an “old show” and remastered it. But seriously, TOS is no ordinary TV show. It has the largest following of ANY other TV show in history and has spawned at least 4 other TV series, 10 movies, the Tour and Las Vegas Experience. Plus, a new movie based on that time period in Trek history is on it’s way out. It was really a no-brainer.
For everyone else, it’s not just a matter of HD availability. The new special effects look great on all TVs (well, when they don’t look good it’s not the fault of the resolution anyway). DVD and iTunes downloads are just fine.
People are now getting silly and I don’t mean paramount I mean people talking about utters. And people please stop the words ass what if there are young people here?
I am overwhelmingly underwhelmed by this news
“Ass” a Loyal Star trek fan I’m ” utter “-ly annoyed at Paramount over this.
I would agree I may have been slightly rude in my post about Blu-Ray and the price of Blu-Ray players (see post #75) and I apologize for my rudeness. With that said the point remains. A lot of people (myself included) simply do not have the money for the brand new technologies due to their prices. I don’t have an iPod, iPhone, heck, I don’t even have either and XBox 360 or PS3 and my computer is so far behind it won’t run any of the newest games of any genre. It barely runs C&C 3 (Command & Conquer 3) and it won’t run Star Trek: Legacy. I don’t have any HDTV or any HD anything because I simply cannot afford it. As a result, I am quite happy with standard DVDs especially since once Blu-Ray is the only format studios release on (which won’t happen for a while it seems, again see post #75) DVDs will play on Blu-Ray players (unlike when VHS disappeared and DVD took over) so I have no problem with the news and welcome it with anticipation. Again I apologize if anyone took offense over my previous post however rude name calling (see post #83) isn’t called for. I completely agree with 81. We should all consider that young people could be reading these posts as well as people just surfing the net. We should also remember that we are all Star Trek fans and should respect each others opinions. Myself included.
Oh, I forgot to mention that for all of those whose want TOSR released on Blu-Ray I have little doubt that it will happen. CBS wants to make money on TOS, especially since the new movie takes place in that era, and for those able to keep up with the new technologies would definatly be someone to aim these sets at. I believe the reason for the wait is because they had been getting ready for HD-DVD instead of Blu-Ray so they may have to start over in regards to programing, etc.
Paramount WILL release TOS-R in Blu-Ray Disc format, that is fact! Paramount never fail to milk the cash cow where there is opportunity. Paramount released 3 different sets for each Star Trek series except TOS and ENT here in the UK, they released the ‘bulky’ hard case DVD set, the full complete 7 seasons set and then the slim-line set, was there any need to really? YES because Paramount love screwing people over wherever there is opportunity and will release Star Trek as many times as possible so people pay through the nose for them. If CBS think they can release season 2 remastered on SD and charge the price of HD-DVD they can think again, they really know how to p*** people off, but some stupid mugs (or collectors) as they are called will still go and buy it because it has ‘Star Trek’ on it!
So I have to wait to see Shatner’s wig seam, Nimoy’s smoker’s teeth, DeForrest Kelley’s jowls, and Takei’s zit scars in glorious detail?
I wouldn’t have bought em anyway. I still think this entire project has been an uninspired washout.
Doug L.
Just as they were the last to go DVD, here Paramount/CBS comes, last to the winning hi-def format, and screwing consumers along the way. Despite the comments of our rag-tag team here, many are going to HiDef. Screen producers and retailers are making bupkiss as the prices get lower and lower. And the US gives up analog broadcasting next year. Next stop, once we all have plasmas/LCDs in every room, is playback hardware, and the studios want to make sure we go out and re-purchase our whole DVD collections in hi-def.
What sucks is that we Trekkers are easy money for these guys. TOS-R? Hell yes! HD-DVD and a phaser remote? Bring it on! And my Columbia House TNG collection on VHS? Just sold it for $10, and spent $420 on all 7 seasons on disc. What, there’s a $300 box set of all seasons with a commentary track by Colm Meaney? I’ll take it!
Give us more on iTunes and Amazon. We’ll buy them at $2 per ep as we wait for TPTB to sort out the BR release of TOS-R and the films. Launching season 2 on DVD only is just a cruel joke because those who buy it will buy it again in Hi-def when it’s released. Then some will buy again when they are packaged together with a bonus disc of Lee Meriweather, Julie Newmar and Yvonne Craig recalling their days on set.
Actually, if there were someone in CBS who can count money, and had a commercial head, they might think: “Gee whiz. We sold x units of TOS-R on HD-DVD hybrid. Those people might still exist! By golly, they’d probably buy seasons 2 and 3 in the same format! They’ve got the hardware, and the factory is still working…In two years, after ST11, we re-release everything on Blu-Ray with some new scenes, and backstage hijinks with Eddie Paskey, and we market it for free on the fan-sites. Ka-ching!” There is not that kind of acumen in CBS now with regard to our show. Just recall the heap of hot crap we had to read when they sacked the Official Site team last year.
I have high hopes that sister Paramount will give the old girl some respect and TLC, make a smashing film, and cajole CBS to properly manage the “back-catalogue” of over 700 shows. We are relying on CBS to re-imagine the franchise and get it back on TV. Right now, Trek is a product in CBS without a manager, and they are waiting for JJ to fix things. TOS-R Season 2 on DVD is an immediately forgettable product, and should not be purchased by anyone. I’ve just pre-ordered mine.
Idiotic move. I own the first season remastered discs and love the HD versions. This “DVD” only news is just plain stupid.
74. Gary Seven -
The ‘remastering process’ itself has been great, the live action has never looked more stunning…it’s the ‘often’ inconsistent SFX. The studio did the exact same thing to the series as their 1960’s counterparts, they put them on too tight a time limit and too small a budget.
“In honor of Star Trek’s anniversary, we are going to recreate the conditions in which it was made 40 years ago!”
Some people get angry when I or someone out points out the reality of the situation and class it as vilifying or being negative. It’s simply pointing out the truth…and if that hurts, so be it.
The problem I have is CBS did not try to fix things that do not look good in HD. For example, in a few episodes the bridge screens look horrible because they were slightly crumpled and the lighting was wrong. You could never notice this in VHS or even DVD. But it really detracts from the believablity of the set when it looks like taped up photography over Spocks head!! This was the easy stuff to fix.
#89 – I take your point about there clearly being a market for the remaining TOSR seasons to be released on HD-DVD, but for large companies like Paramount , it is not cost-effective to analyze the matter on a case-by-case basis like this — either they throw in the towel on HD-DVD or they don’t, no half measures. While I appreciate your logic, I am personally quite glad that the format war is over, even if awkward stuff like this happens initially.
Since I was in theory a Blu-Ray supporter all along, but in practice a fence-sitter during the format war, it’s easy for me to take this attitude, but it seems to me as simple as this: there’s no use crying over spilled pixels. If you can afford it, you buy Blu-Ray now; if you can’t (like me for now, as well as other folks on this thread), you stick with the SD-DVDs and wait on Blu-Ray until the cost goes down or your income goes up.
But what seems sloppy to me is to release SD-DVDs of TOSR and Blu-Ray at some unspecified point in the future. The reason: each TOSR season is a single product, and it should simultaneously become available in all current formats to avoid consumer confusion. Otherwise, it looks like TOSR might not be a uniform product in each of the various media in which it is deployed after all….
If remastered season 2 is coming out on DVD only when will season 1 and 3 come out on DVD ?
#94- The HD DVD of Season 1 TOS-R is a “hybrid”- meaning one side of the disc is in HD, the other in regular DVD. ISo it’s already available. I know, people complain it’s exploitation. Personally I enjoy the flexible format options.
re:84 Yes, my DVD collection is staying DVD not Blue-Ray not DVD-HD, and if they remaster the movies or TNG I’ll keep the orignals because it’s TOS that needed remastering. (notice I didn’t say “#@!&”)
Lame.
Boy are there CBS plants in the forums now or just a few over the top dressed in Klingon makeup complete whith Whopper grease on their pudgy fingers stereotypical Trekkie sycophants???? Refreshing to see that 99% of you are on target with this “In Search of Cash” bilking the fans once again tactic.
And lets see, just about everyone on board for the skeet shoot: cmdrR, Sean New Horizon, Ballzio, Cohen, Dirty Daren Doc, Stanky
Sign up now!!!!
In fairness, the high definition remastering will carry through to the DVDs in terms of improved picture quality. I bought season one of the show on DVD when it came out and was appalled at the dreadful, scratchy picture quality. I was convinced that eventually a restored version would come out.
I’m still going to sit on the fence with this though. I was almost certain that Blu-Ray would win out, so I didn’t touch the HD-DVDs. Now I guess there’s going to be a delay until Paramount, CBS-D and co sort out a new marketing strategy. After all, they’ve actually managed to abandon high definition disc users twice in one year!
So, since Toshiba has withdrawn support for the format and was helping with the expense of doing the HD-DVD version of the series, Paramount can’t release the remaining two seasons in HD-DVD and Blu-Ray? Is this a contract deal? I mean, from sales figures they sold over 100,000 units and many people decided to take the HD plunge because of the remastering, so why not finish up the series in HD for those who have the players now and later for those who have Blu-Ray?
Don’t they have the technology to do HD-DVD in place? How does this work, don’t these manufacturing processes have equipment in common? Why can’t they just do both? Is this so cost prohibitive to do?
Since I already own TOS-R on HD-DVD, and have enjoyed every minute of it BTW, I was willing to wait for Season 2 on BD and purchase a BD player at that point. Now I have to wait longer for Season 2 than I should. After all, I enjoy viewing Trek in HD and after seeing season 1 in all of it’s HD glory I must admit I have ZERO interest in buying the SD version of Season 2 because I view that as a downgrade and simply handing Paramount more money.
I want my Trek in the best quality possible!
I really hope Paramount makes Season 2 available in BD on August 5th as well, or shortly thereafter.
And the movies better be in BD too!!!
#100
I think Toshiba was funding all HD-DVD distribution. So, Paramount, being the cheap SOB’s that they are sure as hell were not going to fund an HD release on their own. That costs money and Paramount doesn’t like to spend money. They would rather take the cheap/easy way out and release it on the cheaper DVD format.
One thing is for certain, the fans mean nothing to Paramount. Always have and always will.
I already sold my season 1 remastered set. Well, Know I’ll just wait until all of them are out and then get them. In the meantime, I’ll just get the regular DVD versions from back in ‘04.
Rumour has it that the complete movies I-X are receiving a complete high-definition digital transfer and a good digital remastering scrub up in video quality, i presume this is in preparation for movie XI next year, i believe the same is happening with the Indiana Jones Trilogy,ready for the cinema release of IJ 4. I have the the money to buy them again in Blu-Ray format, so i will go out and buy them, the same with the TV series *eagerly awaits VOY Blu-Ray*
OK, so here is where I am coming from.
I bought the remastered season one. Kind of pricey but my darling wife likes to indulge me. Then she found out about all this format war stuff. I showed her Trek eps online for free and she gave me that look. I reminded her that they didn’t have the new FX and she came around a little.
Then she finds the other recent non-remastered DVD eps at Hastings for $37 a season. I got the look again.
Now this.
Needless to say, I will not be buying the remastered DVD’s if they are priced any higher than $40 a season or $75 for BluRay. Way to go Paramount. You really screwed the pooch.
#18—-Go ahead, Stanky. Keep the flame burning…
Just to clarify my own stance.
It is possible to acknowledge the high quality of the video restoration(it’s superb). It is possible to sympathize with the Digital team who have been working their asses off under limiting circumstances.
That being said, my beef is with the corporate tight wads who thought the digital team could magically ‘whip up’ some new digital effects on some ridiculous schedule.
The end result….a half finished product that I will never buy…..and it pains me to see loyal fans line the pockets of those same short sighted tight wads who created the situation in the first place. It’s not a black and white situation….anyway, just wanted to point out to those who boil it down to something as simple as ‘me hate it’.
I’m so pissed off at Toshiba, I will NEVER buy another one of their products again- even though I’ve actually liked their laptops.
I’ve got three hard-drive based Panasonic decks that I rely on, and despite minor glitches, they have been nowhere near the headache that this A3 Toshiba player has.
Oh well, I got a phaser remote… whopee.
The contempt for Trek fans as consumers simply shows no sign of ending.
Excellent – it will do for now !!
I have not made the transition to hi-def yet, and have no intention of doing so for the forseeable future. DVD is just fine for me.
I bought the hybrid set last year – for the standard DVD side and will definitely buy seasons 2 & 3 on DVD.
I can live without Blu-ray for a few years yet !!
I must, no, I will get this dvd set……
I have to say that the DVD quality of season 1 was certainly very good. A big step up from the previous DVDs. The HD sides were obviously better still, but the DVD sides were surprisingly good.
I’m definitely looking forward to this. I know that trashing TOS-R is all the rage among the “cool people” (as is George Lucas bashing), but I’m one of those who actually LIKE the remastering, and since I don’t intend to do high-def anything for quite a while, having them on DVD will be just fine. And since I also have the original TOS episode boxed sets, “it’s all good.”
Re: #98- Lord Garth, Formerly of Izar – March 22, 2008
“Boy are there CBS plants in the forums now or just a few over the top dressed in Klingon makeup complete whith Whopper grease on their pudgy fingers stereotypical Trekkie sycophants????”
I’ve been found out! I am a sycophant! Thats me! That’s why I write my dissenting opinion on this board, that I’m not enraged at Paramount or CBS. Oh wait, I’m a sycophant, I guess I should be enraged on this board. Also, I can’t believe my stealth mission as a CBS plant has been discovered! And although CBS was penny pinching on the TOS-R, they spent like drunken sailors on all us CBS plants– only to be found out by Lord Garth! Perhaps CBS should have spent even more money on their covert operations! Cheapskates! Damn U, CBS! Damn you straight to Hell!
Lord Garth, I mean this as a humorous tease, from one TOS fan to another who gets the reference. As I recall you needed medicine to return you to your former sane greatness. Without the medicine, are you slipping back into paranoid delusions?
let me amend my purchasing statement, unless they add Billy’s extra’s I probably will not be purchasing the season 2 tos. Because like they said on tvsfdvd stay tuned and blu ray is inevitable in my opinion.
112. Martin Pollard -
I like the idea behind TOS-R, but it has been executed rather poorly. I don’t blame the CBS Digital team, I blame the suits who crippled their efforts. I stand by my position that the project needs another pass at the special effects.
While the CGI is an improvement over the 40 year old effects, they are not the best todays TV tech can offer. The effects of TOS were the best possible at that time for a TV show…we’ve seen better in the previous trek series.
113, amusing and excellent response to attackers who seem to care only about themselves.
To all those fussing about it not being released on Blu-Ray: It must be nice to have money to throw around. Also keep in mind that the reason I was rude in my previous post is because this discussion reaks of “Too bad if you don’t have the money. I do. Sucks to be you” rich snob attitude. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of you have your noses in the air as you type. Such attitudes annoy me to no end and shows a lack of character on the part of the apparently upper class members on this board. It sure must be nice to be rich.
As a side note the reasons behind my intentions to buy this set are because of the different effects shots (which look great on DVD by the way!) and the improved quality (yes, even on DVD). I DID NOT and WILL NOT buy the 20th Anniversary re-release of TNG becaue I already have all 7 seasons and since they haven’t remastered it (which I don’t think it needs for the most part) there is no need to spend valuable money (what’s that? I dared to say money is valuable!!) on it twice. As this will be my final post on this topic let me make this loud and clear: UNTIL STUDIOS STOP RELEASING TITLES ON DVD, I WILL CONTINUE TO BUY DVDS BECAUSE THAT IS ALL I CAN AFFORD!!!!
#116
The problem is, the entire point behind the remastering effort was to bring TOS to HD. Admittedly, it looks good on a regular television, but the point of HD is for it to be viewed on an HD television. So when Paramount supports a format many of us knew was going to go by the wayside, releases a pricey dual-disc set instead of putting it out as two, seperate packages, then after that format goes kablooey announces that the 2nd Season is currently only coming out in standard def – well, some of us get a bit ticked. It doesn’t help that the VFX effort has been well below expectations.
You’re making it about poor vs. wealthy, and that’s really not the issue. It’s just as classist for you to throw around the comments about ‘it must be nice to be rich’ as it would be for someone to say the show should only come out on HD formats because standard def is ‘for poor people’. Know what I mean? Just because people are frustrated that it isn’t coming out in their format of choice doesn’t mean they’re looking down at anyone.
Er, let’s just remind ourselves of how *bad* a job CBSD are allegedly doing:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=SpW8gKMJw7c&feature=related
118: I have stated numerous times that one of the best hi-lights of TOS-R is the film scanning crew. Of course the optical sensor scanning the film stock gets the bulk of the credit but “that” crew deserves praise.
#118
I don’t think there’s any question (in my mind, anyway) that the new effects are an improvement, but overall they have been incredibly hit-and-miss from week to week. The effects seem to have been an afterthought, and if Paramount/CBS had just allowed a slightly larger budget and a little more time, we’d have something to be proud of.
#120.
There’s plenty in the new shots to be proud of. We should be grateful it’s being done at all quite frankly, because it’s all we’re gonna get, ever.
Don’t care, I’ll still buy them!
-121-
It’s that type of attitude that gets us nothing better. There are some great shots, but as 120 said…it’s hit and miss. That’s just not a professional effort in my eyes…and I do think fans of this show should be less passive about this kind of capitalist crap. I’m perplexed how a fan base that once resurrected a show from sheer force of will, now simply throw up their white flags and say…’we surrender…how much do you want for this new half baked product?’. That’s absolute nonsense. I submit to you, and anyone else who thinks we’re worthy of only second rate offerings…to stand up for yourself, stand up for those who can’t or won’t stand up for themselves, and make the men and women behind these decisions accountable for the actions they deem acceptable in the name of higher profit margins. Speak with your wallets, and quit thinking that you don’t deserve better. You do! Today more than ever, your hard earned dollar should not have to be spent on half truths.
I’m with you Hercules.
#123
What you seem to forget is that these new effects *were* an afterthought. The original project was just to remaster the episodes for high definition. How much of the new shots have I personally not been happy with? Very few. That youtube video I posted mostly sums up the consistency of the work. Give an example of episodes where it doesn’t? And I mean were it’s really justified. Whether or not you like the way the Enterprise is lit or shot is subjective, because there’s no one way to do it. Daren D or Scott Gammans work both look different to each other too. And perhaps, if either of those chaps spent the next 15 years personally remastering the effects on all 79 episodes we’d have something perfect, but it’s not going to happen. Let’s be realistic.
And I’m sick of hearing how we as fans are being hard done by on this. Don’t give me any of this half baked job, “we desevre better”. As Shatner once said…, and you know what he once said. Just think about it.
121 Barry Hercules
That would be a real shame if true!
120 Sean
say its best “that the new effects are an improvement, but overall they have been incredibly hit-and-miss from week to week”
I appreciate the good things the CBS – Digital crew have put together in the short time they have had but I would definitely like to see them at least go back over the work and improve on the stuff that hasn’t worked.
Of course this means Paramount have to cough up some more money and give them the time to do it , but it would be worth it to create something visually stunning to replace the dated visuals that will not stand up to the eventual Hi Def Blu-ray DVD release , because you know TOS on Blu-ray will happen one day . Hopefully Paramount will learn for the mistakes learn t this time around and give the artist the time and money to make this the visual the best it can be.
Personally I would love to see a much better attempt at “The Ultimate Computer”, I have to say of all the missed opportunities that has to be one of the biggest for me.
Another point that has been mentioned here before is the crinkled display screens on the bridge, now they could really do with fixing, yes it would be a lot of work but well worth it. I would also go as far as making those chunky pad screens they wrote on with the big red light on top of them functional with some kind of data displayed on them. As well as phaser and disintegration shots updated to high standard.
There is lots that could be done without taking anything away from the look and style of TOS if done tastefully and thoughtfully with the right time and money behind the project. It just a shame it didn’t get done this time, I am pretty sure it will get done one day as its crying out for it to happen I just hope it happens while I am still relatively young .
I don’t currently have a HD television at the moment, so I’m content to stick to the originals on DVD for now, the new effects do interest me but not enough to buy this work in progress. One day though when HD TV’s come down in price I would love to see TOS in a crisp sharp cleaned up picture with a more complete version of TOS with some great new special effects to blow me away on a big screen.
#126
“Another point that has been mentioned here before is the crinkled display screens on the bridge, now they could really do with fixing, yes it would be a lot of work but well worth it. I would also go as far as making those chunky pad screens they wrote on with the big red light on top of them functional with some kind of data displayed on them. As well as phaser and disintegration shots updated to high standard. ”
This is the reason that I believe most of the complainers are living in fantasy land. That is never going to happen, and something that I as casual fan would never have considered changing either.
You’ll never be satisfied with what is changed because you want the impossible in the first place.
125 -
Well, the new effects ARE half baked and inconsistent. Whether you choose to see it or not is up to you. Like I said, I don’t hold anything against the CBS Digital team…I know they’re capable of great work…space seed was a perfect example of ‘getting the look just right’, but they haven’t been given the chance to finish their work most of the time…and I think they would be the first ones to agree about that. I know I certainly wouldn’t be happy rushing my work out the way they’ve had to. I’ve seen the good work, I’m not blind…but it’s still completely inconsistent. There’s no need to go on the defensive, I’m not shooting down their efforts…I’m trying to be supportive of the digital teams efforts…but I am equally entitled to be critical of the corporation that put them on such a short leash. Give me a freaking break.
117, you may be right but that doesn’t explain how people who support this move by CBS are attacked by people and called CBS plants (see post 98). Wouldn’t you call that looking down on people. You’re right not everyone is doing that but there are several that are. If you read posts like the one referenced above you can see where I got that impression. My comments were directed more toward them than anyone else. I also understand some disappointment but to say that it’s nonsense to release it on DVD is not fair to those who approve and/or can only afford DVDs. (DVD players as opposed to Blu-Ray players.) Now you know why I said what I said. Remember, as I said before I’m sure CBS will release it on Blu-Ray on a future date. Patience is a virtue.
By the way, I know I said my last post would be my last on this topic but I had to respond to your comments because you made many good points and I wanted to clarify my position.
#129
I can see where you’re coming from, and while I think the ‘CBS plant’ comments are over the top, I don’t think they were meant as a slight against people who can’t afford the more expensive players. Rather, I think a lot of people on these boards are angry with Paramount for pulling what they consider a ‘bait and switch’ with these remastering efforts. Backing HD-DVD over Blueray seemed particularly short-sighted, and now a lot of people have purchased HD-DVD players and discs – including Season 1 of Trek – and are a bit cheesed off that those purchases were rather pointless as the product & format will no longer be supported. Not to mention the disappointment with the remastering process in general. So I think it’s really just misplaced anger. Still, there’s no reason for them to take it out on you.
#127
I’m not looking for perfection, I’d just like some consistency. As some have mentioned before, the CGI Enterprise seems to change depending on the episode, and the shuttlecraft/shuttlebay is particularly bad (one of the only instances where I can agree with those that say the original effects were better). Of course, there have been absolutely fantastic touches, like Vulcan in ‘Amok Time’ or the mattes in ‘A Taste of Armageddon’ or ‘The Menagerie’. And I don’t blame CBS-D. I think they’ve done what they could with an extremely tight schedule and miniscule budget. I blame the studio for once again milking the show for everything they can. If they revisit TNG for HD (which I think is inevitable) I certainly hope they give it the attention it deserves.
TOS-R was meant to bring Trek into HD. Paramount sided with Toshiba and HD-DEAD and LOST. TOO BAD! Blu-ray could have just as easily lost but they didn’t and are now the standard for home HD media. It’s time to release Trek on that format. I don’t know what Paramount his thinking by this SD-DVD release but the victors have so far gotten the shaft. Money or not, Blu-ray won and it’s time to start releasing on that format. Get with the program paramount.
From the article above:
“”Paramount is the only studio that has not announced a single title on Blu-ray.”"”"”
Pathetic.
Thank you #130. You did have a point about my “it must be nice to be rich” comment by the way. It too was a bit extreme. I hope that it’s “just misplaced anger” on the part of the others I mentioned in my previous post and I can certainly understand the anger over the HD-DVD and Toshiba players mess. If I shelled out that kind of money on a platform no longer supported I’d be angry too. I didn’t because I wanted to wait to see who won the format war and I also couldn’t afford it (like I’ve been saying as you know.) I am happy that CBS lowered the price on Season 1 of TOSR to a more reasonable price, still too expensive I think but it’s certainly more reasonable than it was before.
In regards to posts before about the quality of the CGI effort: I personally like the changes, granted not all of them were great but compared to the 1960’s version, the new CGI is, pardon the pun, lightyears ahead. For example, if you compare Season 1 TOS screencaps to Season 1 TOSR screencaps on trekcore.com you will see what I mean. In episodes like “Menagerie” and “Court Martial” I think CBS-D did an excellent job. As for the fact that the CBS-D wasn’t given enough money or time for the project, well that problem has seemed to plague TOS since the start way back in the 1960s.
#130 said:
“If they revisit TNG for HD (which I think is inevitable) I certainly hope they give it the attention it deserves.”
Since TNG is my favorite Star Trek series I definatly second that opinion. TNG deserves only the best.
127. Barry Hercules
“You’ll never be satisfied with what is changed because you want the impossible in the first place.”
I don’t believe that it is impossible to do that. It would just take time and time is something that hasn’t been given to this project from the start. I believe they even considered changing those crinkled display screen at the start but decided against it in the end, probably because it was too much working the short time they have been given. I believe they used the old excuse of not wanted to take anything away from the original by changing them.
As I said before right now I am happy to stick to the originals on DVD as I don’t believe enough has been changed to merit buying these again. Surely you wouldn’t be against seeing these episodes given a bit more of a polish?
I don’t hate CBS Digitals work in fact I enjoy seeing what they have done but I just feel given the poor planning of this project the work has been rushed and there have been lots of missed opportunities and uneven work as a result. Sometimes the work has been very good and other times its been way off the mark. So yes I am not satisfied with the rushed finish of this project but the one thing this project has done is to show the potential to what could be.
I know there are much more important things in life than TOS being remastered so in the greater scheme of things I can be satisfied just to watch the originals on standard DVD player while keeping an eye out on what CBS has changed but all I am saying is one day it would be fun and nice to see TOS with a more even and complete makeover for a High Def format.
Like I said before I am sure it will happen one day but it’s just a matter of time as to when they decide to do it. I hope its not another forty years wait.
Anyway Happy Easter to you, everybody at TrekMovie.com and all who post here :)
I think the term “bait and switch” is appropriate here… since their stated reason for doing the FX “Remastering” was for presentation in HD format… and that the original effects “wouldn’t stand up” to the rigorous presentation that a full blown HD experience would reveal.
Well, first… looks like a lot of people on here don’t have HD… and are perfectly content with Standard DVD. So, why not release the UNCHANGED re-transfered episodes on standard? There’s no reason to not do so.
And for those claims that the effects don’t stand up to HD presentation… heck, I’ve seen episodes projected from FILM and the effects didn’t look out of place or dated… they looked perfectly in line with the time that the original shows were produced.
I don’t knock CBS/Paramount for doing what they did. The reason for doing the Remastered project was to bring in another revenue stream for a product that was no longer viable in the DVD market… and to actually PAY for quality HD transfers of the original negatives.
What I do lament is the Corporate Behemoth CBS/Paramount being so large and unwieldy that they can’t respond quick enough to market changes, like the death of HD-DVD… and instead they try to make a quick buck by providing half baked offerings and expecting fans to just leap at them like trained puppies.
Unfortunately, there’s a lot of leaping happening…
#134.
“Well, first… looks like a lot of people on here don’t have HD… and are perfectly content with Standard DVD. So, why not release the UNCHANGED re-transfered episodes on standard? There’s no reason to not do so.”
Well releasing those on standard DVD would be even more pointless then releasing the new changed editons on DVD. At least they are still offering something that hasn’t been available on DVD before. A version with new effects sequences.
People with Blu-ray only represents about 2% of the current video market. The rest is still DVD.
135- You missed the point of what Daren said. He said why not release the UNCHANGED(effects) re-transfered(film).
That would offer something Trek Fans don’t have. I would have been very interested in seeing the original effects shots re-transfered and cleaned up.
Who cares if HD DVD has been coboshed for the remaining two seasons. Would you really like to pay a small fortune for something that you already have? You lose the nostalgia with the re issues. They are great to watch once on TV but I’ll stick with the original format any day. As far as HD is concerned or even re mastered DVD, we are dealing with a TV show that is 40 years old not a new movie with awesome sound and special effects. There really is nothing to gain by being drawn into this capitalist ploy to convince you to purchase something at an outrageous price that you already have. They tell you its much better, am I missing something? Are there lost episodes or scenes that that they found and want to issue in special format? No, just simple planet inhancements, better sound and color quality, and a cartoon ship. So for this I’ll spend $100 or more, not. I think $40 is alot more reasonable and I’ll stick with what I have been watching since I first saw Star Trek when I was a pud in the early 70’s. Forty dollars is reasonable, more reasonable even then the $5-$10 that I paid years ago for each of the VHS tapes I bought.
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I believe that it is not pointless to release TOS R in SD-DVD. Though the experience is not as big as it would have been on HD-DVD, it is much better effects than in the original TOS DVDs.
And, in my opinion, the remastered effects does not destroy the nostalgia of the 1960s series, it just makes it look better. We still have the 1960s interior inside the spaceships, and we still have the same acting. The 60s style is still there
#136.
I didn’t miss that point. But releasing the cleaned up episodes sans effects on normal DVD is not for most fans a significant upgrade. Whereas the new effects are. Read what I said again.
quote:
“I would have been very interested in seeing the original effects shots re-transfered and cleaned up.”
You can’t clean up most of the old Enterprise shots. The optical printing process blurred out most of the detail. That was kind of the *whole* point of replacing those shots in the first place…
#137
The cleaned film alone is well worth it. I can only explain this in terms of my own experience, but I had NO IDEA what I was missing until I switched to an HD TV. Honestly, there are times I wish I’d never looked into it, because now I can barely stand watching my non-HD channels. It’s really amazing how much of a difference there is in picture quality alone.
I’d like to see the UNCHANGED re-transfered episodes on HD…with the new remastered episodes as well. Doesn’t Blu-Ray have enough capacity for this? So we’d have all three seasons with the original episodes cleaned up and the new remastered episodes on HD as well.
That would be the sensible thing to do.
HD TOS is great in any format. I have it on HD and I’ll relish buying it on Blu-ray once I have a player. In the meantime I will delight in the gorgeous work of remastering the original footage as well as thrill to the new FX all beaming to a 100″ screen in full surround sound glory. It’s my favorite show of all time and I haveabsolutely NO problem whatesoever owning it in the best possible presentation available.
As far as owning the remastered episodes in standard Definition, I can handle that too as those will also look better than any release of the second season to date.
#1 & 2 – I’m joining this discussion late, but… Hey, not all of us are Blu-ray owners yet. Not of all us are going to be any time soon. First, the prices on the players and discs need to fall. Drastically. I have two DVD players that still work wonderfully (and a third portable player as well), so I feel no need to replace them.
The season one release, the combo discs, were ridiculously overpriced (I mean, even more overpriced than Trek DVDs were already!) and it was priced out of reach of standard DVD consumers (which most people still are, I might add). The standard DVD isn’t going away anytime soon, and it makes sense that CBS would start offering the remastered TOS to “regular” DVD buyers at a more reasonable price (Just how reasonable remains to be seen). Kudos to CBS/Paramount! At least until we see what the new pricing will be.
That said, it seems odd that CBS wouldn’t announce a Blu-ray version as well… Obviously, Blu-ray’s the way of the future (until the NEXT format comes along). I’m sure there will be a Blu-ray version of TOS remastered eventually, It would be stupid not to!
I’m wondering what will happen with season one… I held off because it was so damned expensive. Will they drop the price on the remaining combo sets out there? Amazon still has season one at $96, and that’s still too high. Drop it to maybe $50, and we’ll talk. Seems pointless to keep selling the HD-DVD/standard combo discs, so I’d hope there will eventually be a reissue of season one in the still viable formats, and perhaps a massive fire sale on the combo sets that are still out there.
another late-comer am I…. I think when you look at the shoddy packaging of TOS products, in general, from Paramount, it should give you an idea of what Paramount really thinks of it… as if Trek is just a pain in the ass they wish would just go away. Kinda like Capitol’s shoddy packaging of Beatles products (anyone remember the album cover of “Rock & Roll Music?”). Two of the greatest entertainment treasures of all time, treated like dirt. I have always felt when it comes to Star Trek – particularly TOS – Paramount has historically shown little respect, from its original cancellation of the show, to not letting Shatner do a “re-make,” to the stupid yellow color of the dvd packaging. Yet, they know Trek fans are loyalists who will buy whatever is presented… what other option do we have, if you want Trek product? I’m sure any one of us could come up with a better-looking package design than this cartoon-ish nonsense.
Well, thats it for me and my house…
we already got TOS on the original remastered episodes they did a few years ago and considering this piss-poor jog cbs/cgi has done on MOST of the episodes they can keep their so called remastered 2008 sencd and third season episodes, and as the late James “Scotty” Doohan once said..
….”Up yer Shaft”.. to cbs/paramount/idiots…keep yer wasted effort with hack “artists”.
come back in 5 or 10m years with some Quality Remastered TOS episodes that do notm look like a cartoon and just clean up -shot for shot and update anything that made it lok dated but NEXT time…make it “look ” REAL!??? my nephew has done better cgi work and he is a but senior in high school!
sorry if i am drunk i am ted kennedy after all…and my spelling speaks volumes for that fact!
But I still love TOS /Trek!, I just feel sad and abused by paramount and we were all given a false hope about this whole re-mastered thing!
it’s terrible….
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the remasters are so piss-poor, i’m satistfied with the dvds i have
i wish they’d clean up the picture and sound of the first five movies, though.
#98 Lord Garth, Formerly of Izar
Put me down for that ’skeet shoot’ too…
If only there could there could some kind of additional effects ‘tweaking’ allowed before the eventual Blu-ray release of these ‘remastered’ goes out, now that the HD-DVD release schedule has floundered…but I won’t hold my breath.
And I sure would like the ‘originals’ given an release with the NOW cleaned-up print…
148. Cervantes
“If only there could there could some kind of additional effects ‘tweaking’ allowed before the eventual Blu-ray release of these ‘remastered’ goes out”
I am hoping Paramount are stalling on the Blu-Ray releases because they are going to review the work produced so far and give us the extra effects and sound tweaking we’d all like to see.. It’s a great chance to add to all the missed opportunities from last time around.
but as you say “I won’t hold my breath” either.
If Paramount invested more time and money making the effects the best they could be and then released them on Blu-ray I would definitely get a HD TV and Blu ray player just so I could have my own copy of it. But as it stands, although the new work interests me, not enough has been updated so I am happy to keep watching TOS on DVD without the current new effects.
I sure wish the likes of ‘fan editor’ Adywan was on this project…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yknBtoUYZeI&feature=related
Maybe Sean4000’s proposed fan edit can bring something with a little more in future…
Cervantes,
I have bad news. I am not tackling the TOS-R 2.0 project.
But spockboy is!!
I simply do not have the time in light of my graduate school studies. My three Master’s degrees I am planning for at SCAD must take priority. I am onboard as a computer consultant, tech support, and designer. I won’t be doing any of the brunt force re-remastering.
More to come. Email me if interested.
http://trekmovie.com/2006/09/08/more-images-from-edenfx/
i’d like to be on board with any remastering project. i can honestly and with no vanity or exaggeration say i can do significantly better sound effects than the ones in “of gods and men”, and i’ve been designing updated versions of the originaln sounds by blending them with hints of the sounds from the other series
#151 Sean4000
Thanks for the update, and I am glad that ’spockboy’, with the assistance of yourself and others, may end up producing a far more complete ‘remastering’ effort where the visuals are concerned.
Good luck with this project.
Oh, and good luck with your studies.
HOW would I be able to e-mail you by the way?
ditto
Cervantes and NEO, you can contact me at the y. mut8edseabass@oohay.com
Thanks, I was just looked up the fact, from a previous post of yours, that your e-mail address is – mut8edseabass@yahoo.com and that your aim messanger name is embryoniccineon
LOL. yes, I wrote mine another way to avoid spiders and spam. Please send me a message. I have already spoken to Neo.
Cervantes and Garovorkin and NEO I want to talk to you about TOS-R 2.0. Please contact me by looking at the last few posts in the old “SEason 2 sd-dvd only thread.”
Do not go to spockboy, he’s busy and requested that he not be touted around. I will handle all requests for the time being.
i have an idea for a new way to shoot the opening sequence, if you’re interested.
Let me have it! I am interested for sure.
picture this:
the sequence starts as usual, the line “space, the final frontier” followed by the fanfare. but when the ship flies by at full impulse, it does so with a sort of manking maneuvre, swooping fom the left of the screen to the right before passing the camera right to left (kind of like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm0keZJ4gis). the camera follows it as it passes instead of cutting to a shot of it moving away
it continues as normal, with it approaching and orbiting a planet. but when the line “the starship enterprise” is heard, a shot is shown facing the ship head on, so the lettering on the saucer is seen as the ship passes below the camera (there was a shot like this seen twice in “trials and tribble-ations”, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0seF5M-gIRc).
as it leaves the planet, the camera moves directy behind the ship as, on the line “where no man has gone before”, she begins to go to warp, with the camera following (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbdvEs_PqfA). when it reaches warp, there is the flash. from the flash emerges the title, “STAR TREK”, and roddenberry’s credit.
now, to the tune of goldsmith’s theme, not courage’s, the ship passes by the camera several times, leaving it’s coloured warp trails behind. but each time, as it passes the cmera, the camera pans to face the ship directly from the side. the ship then leaves the frame, revealing from behind it the main actor credits, which dissapear in a transporter-like flash. other titles appear for the rest of the regular cast.
can’t think of a good final shot, any suggestions?