Pegg Talks Star Trek Script Secrecy and Enteprise Sets October 5, 2008
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Just when you thought there couldn’t be any more interviews with Simon Pegg promoting his new movie, we have another one. This time Star Trek’s new Scotty says some new stuff regarding the secrecy and protection of the Star Trek script as well as talking about the Enterprise sets.
Excerpts from interview with the Indianapolis Star.
Indy.com: So, if I give you my fax number, will you send me your copy of the "Star Trek" script?
Pegg: [laughs] Actually I don’t have a copy of the "Star Trek script. When I first read the script, I was with a guy at the Toronto Film Festival last year, and the man stayed with me while I read it. I did have it obviously during the making of the film, but they were printed on paper so that we couldn’t even actually touch it. But there’s a rabid kind of desire to spoil things for everyone, to get a scoop on it, and say "ah, I know something about it." JJ (Abrams, the director) is adamant that it is a surprise and that it should be enjoyed the way it’s meant to be enjoyed.
Indy.com: Can you shed some light as to why the film has been pushed back to next summer, rather than the Christmas release?
Pegg: I think JJ is really excited about it and wants it out there, but the studio was so excited, they were like "we have to put this in the summertime," so it went back from December to May. But he would have to really, really be working 24/7 for Christmas, and I know people want it out, but I think he’d like to have more time to finesse it.
Indy.com: What was it like actually going on the set, seeing the inside of the Enterprise?
Pegg: It was amazing. I was constantly marveling at how the production designers managed to stay utterly faithful to the USS Enterprise without making it look dated and making it look like it was built in the ’60s. What they’ve had to navigate, since they are going back to the original, is not making it look ironic, or making it a joke in any way. I was amazed when I went back and watched the old show after I’d been shooting, about how basic the original bridge of the Enterprise was. When I walked onto set, I was like "yeah, this is it." And when you go back, and watch the TV show, and you go, "no, that was far simpler." I think people who go through the film will have to watch it twice, because they’ll be geeking out the first time.
More from Pegg on Trek and his new movie How To Lose Friends and Alienate People at Indy.com.
Pegg also spoke to AV Club, here is what he had to say about Trek
AVClub: Could you talk about your first day filming Star Trek?
Pegg: It was phenomenal. I can only say I went in, I stepped onto the set, and became part of it, and had to address the characters, and it was incredible. Everyday it was another moment where I was like, “Wow. I’m about to go into this room for the first time” or “I’m having a conversation with Kirk.” It was brilliant. Everybody felt like that. Every single person. J.J. [Abrams] had been on it for three months before I stepped onto the set and he was still like that. It was great. I think if someone had told me, as I sat watching the original series, eating my tea, if someone had come into the room and whispered in my ear that in 35 years you’d be talking to that character as that character, I would be like, [High pitched adolescent voice.] “What?!”
Pegg looking scared sandwiched between his ‘How To Lose Friends’ co-stars
Margo Stilley and Gillian Anderson - at the UK film premiere
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Gee, wish I could get to be that scared….
Oh to be standing in his place! :p
I can’y wait to see at least a picture of the captains chair
Poor Gillian. Two flop movies in a year.
Okay, Simon, maybe I’ll watch it twice, hehe.
“JJ (Abrams, the director) is adamant that it is a surprise and that it should be enjoyed the way it’s meant to be enjoyed.”
– Simon Pegg
Good. I like that.
A lot of things I (and all of us) have wondered about regarding this film. But I’d really like to have seen Abram’s approach in the meetings with everyone that explained his wish and desire for secrecy. He’s seems to have been able to accomplish something that the likes of Spielberg and Lucas haven’t been totally successful at. That’s one thing I’m impressed with and admire so far.
Now let’s see that film.
Well, guess I’m gonna have to see it twice.
Oh the irony… We got Enterprise so fast because the Powers That Be (we all know their names) were scared to lose their jobs if they don\t immediately launch a new show after the last one ends. The studio was fine with it because they didn’t really care about ST all that much anyway back then.
Now we have to wait an extra 5-6 months because the studio DOES care.
Ah well, as long as the movie is good, I really don’t care. :)
“I was constantly marveling at how the production designers managed to stay utterly faithful to the USS Enterprise without making it look dated and making it look like it was built in the ’60s.”
Of all the quotes I’ve read these last few weeks this one may be the best…
…only 214 days to go…
Work and familial responsibilities are about to drive me (even more) crazy, but it all manages to be blessed distaction from the wait…the wait, the wait, the wait, the wait…aaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
uh, distraction
enteprise?
I’m glad he likes it!
i WILL see it twice!!
Will we get a trailer with Quantum of Solace?
15, I highly dougt it as the next Bond film “Quantum of Solace” is being made by Sony Studios, not Paramount. It was said that Paramount was planning to release the trailer around Christmas but it would be attached to a Paramount film.
For all those who can’t wait to see this movie, go watch STII: The Wrath of Khan, or any other Trek film and hopefully your withdrawal symptoms will subside. :)
That should be “doubt.” Sorry for the typo.
Bob Orci recently dropped in to hint that we would be “seeing something” *before* Christmas. He was typically cryptic but we may get some promo photos or something else before the trailer.
Did anyone notice during ‘EAGLE EYE’ in one scene there was an alarm going off, they intermixed the original ENTERPRISE alarm claxxon in with the sound, nice touch;)
WHO ELSE HEARD THIS!>>?>?
I wonder if the Engineering set will have a big staging area for fist fights.
# 3, 18 - That would be Bob’s deviant sense of humor at work - of all the stills that they could release - the Enterprise, full bridge set, engineering, an officer in uniform - the first thing we’ll get is a full frontal of ‘the chair’. LOL
I am gettting positive vibes from this article!
I dunno’…I have a feeling I might need to view the movie multiple x multiple x two times in order to adjust my visual acuity to the 21st century production designs…
Gillian looks gorgeous in that photo - one of my fav actresses.
Jeffries#20- LOL!
Will they ever explain what that big red thing behind the girders in the Engineering set was?
It was part of the impulse engines on the back of the primary hull…a set of tubes to the left and right that go to the left and right impulse engine. Kind of like the intermix chamber in the movies…
That’s always been my belief anyway…
OK I just watched Star Trek II for the hundredth time and injected the entire original series right into my veins and my Star Trek cravings just won’t go away. I MUST see this movie.
Wow! I’ve never seen a poll on here where the vote was 100%, & all the other choices were zero.
“Wow! I’ve never seen a poll on here where the vote was 100%, & all the other choices were zero.”
How many votes were there? 1? 2?
…Is Gillian pregnant in that picture, or is Simon just being a bit too enthusiastic with the sock puppetry? :-P
In response to the current poll, what would I like to see the most, I had to answer ‘other’ since there was no ‘All of the Above and More” category.
I want equally to see all of those items listed plus everything else, so it’s an impossible question to honestly answer.
#19
I DID, wow amazing.
I like the secrecy.
I want to be completely surprised (or as surprised as possible) in the theater on May 9th.
I always think back to when I saw TWOK for the first time. I can hardly even imagine how powerful it would have been if the revelation that Khan was returning as the story’s villain could have been a surprise…even moreso, if Spock’s sacrifice had not been something revealed to fans well before the film’s release, and was instead a total shocker. While the engineering scene was (and still is) extremely powerful and dramatic, I can only imagine that it may have been multiplied by a factor of 10!
I admire Abrams’ effort to keep things under wraps, and wish him continued success in that endeavor. I think he is saving alot of fans from what they are not careful enough in wishing for. I think the best way to watch a film is knowing very little about it going in. But that’s just my opinion…
25. The REAL Redjac - October 5, 2008
It was part of the impulse engines on the back of the primary hull
I’m right there with you on that one redjac,…
Redjac,… REDJAC!!!
Although Buckaroohawk, a 3d modeler extraordinaire, would disagree.
* ahhemmm.
Closettrekker wrote:
I always think back to when I saw TWOK for the first time. I can hardly even imagine how powerful it would have been if the revelation that Khan was returning as the story’s villain could have been a surprise…
When I saw STIV my freshman year of high school, I had NO idea that the crew was going back to the 20th century to get whales or that they would be receiving a new Enterprise at the end (They kept those aspects under wraps before the opening)… and I enjoyed the movie all the more for being surprised.
TMMW (#33)
Indeed I do disagree. It’s my belief that Main Engineering was in the ship’s secondary hull, and those large tubes led up to the warp engines. Granted, they slant in toward each other instead of away, but my thought is they lead to a large intermix chamber placed above Engineering, and the power flows up to the warp engines from there.
I know that many people think that Engineering was in the primary hull, but it just makes more sense to place it in the secondary hull, where the warp pylons meet the body of the ship.
My two cents, for what its worth.
I guess those of us who bought the Franz Joseph blueprints (anyone here remember/have these?) had the belief that main engineering was in the primary hull etched into our brains at that point. :-)
But it is logical and practical that main engineering is actually in the secondary hull.
In fact in at least one episode, ‘the enemy within’ I think, where Kirk is split into two by a bizzare transporter accident, refers to engineering being in the secondary section. I believe it was something like spock asking the ‘timid’ Kirk, ‘where would you go to evade a mass search?’ Kirk responds, ‘The lower levels, the engineering deck’
So I guess that settles that as it has been said on film. Of course there is no reason why there could not be a more minor engineering section in the aft of the primary hull near to the impulse engines too.
I must say I am lokoing forward to seeing the new engineering room in 2009, along with the bridge, ship exterior, crew, uniforms. Oh hell, just about everything really. God, I am such a geek!!!
meant ‘looking’ of course.
Anthony please enable an edit function so I don’t look like a twit.
Thanks. :-)
Here is a look at season ones fist-fight area…
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/gallery/factfiles/1701-engineering-original.jpg
and another look into the ship with what looks like the engeneering of season 2 and 3 here…
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans/gus/1701-gus2.jpg
will there be rest rooms on the Enterprise?
will the captain have his own Captain’s Bog?
You don’t live in SE22 do you keef?
Megan Fox is in “How to Lose Friends…”?
Nice.
Let me be surprised.
I remember when ST:TMP came out on Dec. 7, 1979. I stood in a long line for more than an hour to see this film, not knowing anything about it other than what I read in Starlog magazine and what I was lucky enough to see on TV in the ads.
I also remember leaving the theater feeling slightly schizophrenic about the film. But if the plot, costumes, sets, etc. had all been spoiled for me prior to seeing it, I might not have seen it. (I almost didn’t see Nemesis, for that very reason - and still wish I hadn’t.)
Let me be surprised. But it’s hard not to try and peek under the wrapping every now and then. :-)
Luvvly Jubbly Captain_Paxo
did i get the cultural reference correct?
Spot on old chap
#36 - “I guess those of us who bought the Franz Joseph blueprints (anyone here remember/have these?) had the belief that main engineering was in the primary hull etched into our brains at that point. :-) ”
Going even earlier than that, The Making of Star Trek asserted exactly the same thing, that Main Engineering was in the aft section of the primary hull. In fact, it’s fairly clear that FJ used that book as a primary reference, since most of his placements of significant locations aboard the ship match what the book said.
“But it is logical and practical that main engineering is actually in the secondary hull.”
Also true. You might recall that FJ actually did establish a warp engineering section in the secondary hull, as well, though it was not a precise match for the TOS set the way the primary hull facility was.
Another aspect that’s evolved is our collective perception of how the warp engines function. In the ’70s, for example, the idea was that the power and propulsion hardware was self-contained within the nacelles, and power feeds just came from there down into the rest of the ship. That went back to early interviews with Matt Jefferies. The idea of a main reactor within the secondary hull was part of the radical engine redesign in TMP. Thus, if all the main hardware was being operated by remote, exactly where Engineering was was less critical.
TOS itself was a lot less clear about such things, with much dialogue suggesting that Main Engineering was in the lower levels (implying the secondary hull), and yet other episodes essentially depending on the idea that Main Engineering was up in the primary hull.
And, of course, newer ideas, including the Doug Drexler cutaway art of the original 1701 and the concept in “Enterprise” of a 22nd Century warp core also mounted within the hull of the ship, implied a much more incremental technological evolution of warp drive throughout the 200+ years that Star Trek has spanned.
One thing that will be interesting is to see what choices the new film’s team has made, and whether those choices will lend themselves to settling the debate. ;)
36
I have the original Franz Joseph blueprints as well, they’re very cool indeed! The Technical Manual is also great, it was fun to imagine what his designs would actually look like back in the day.
I’m pretty geeked out as well, can’t wait to see the updated “old” E :)
Is Margo tall or is Pegg short or both?
kg
Oh my god, can this guy just shut up already?
Katie
Margo is tall. Simon is average-ish. Gillian is shrimpy. Both women are lovely and Simon is lucky.
BTW, I have to agree with the above statement: is Gillian expecting or is that just a really bad stripe pattern on her dress shot at an unfortunate angle?
And #48 Dorothy
What would the scarecrow say about your lack of patience? Maybe you need to go back to the wizard and trade the ruby slippers in on some.
#36- you were right, Engineering is in the secondary hull and that’s the end of it! P.S. I love that episode, Especially the dog with the horn on it’s head, Sweet!
#48—He would then be perceived as ‘rude’ for refusing to answer their questions. Don’t you think?
Thanks, THX. Was hoping that Scotty wasn’t too short.
Go to “Chat” for a message for Holly.
kg
38. fakesteve
You failed us with your links!
Try this link. In the episode Day of the Dove, the crew is supposed to again be trapped below decks. And in this episode they show a ship diagram that places the trapped crew far below decks, in the secondary hull. Fasr forward the AOL player to 18:48. See this link…
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/day-of-the-dove/1016432261
I guess that means Engineering could be in two places. Why not? They had an auxillary bridge in the ship. And surely the MAIN Impulse engines, battery power backups, and nuclear power plants, should have an Engineering command and control center in the Primary huil too.
No how is that for Canon?
And what about…
The Women
C;moin everyone. You don’t have to watch the whole episode.
The Women!!
Pegg: It was amazing. I was constantly marveling at how the production designers managed to stay utterly faithful to the USS Enterprise without making it look dated and making it look like it was built in the ’60s. What they’ve had to navigate, since they are going back to the original, is not making it look ironic, or making it a joke in any way. I was amazed when I went back and watched the old show after I’d been shooting, about how basic the original bridge of the Enterprise was. When I walked onto set, I was like “yeah, this is it.” And when you go back, and watch the TV show, and you go, “no, that was far simpler.”
AWESOME.
35.
I agree with you. Every cut-away I’ve seen of the NCC-1701 showed main Enginering above the shuttle bay in the secondary hull, right below the engine pylons.
#7
“I’d really like to have seen Abram’s approach in the meetings with everyone that explained his wish and desire for secrecy.”
It wouldn’t have been a very successful meeting if you could somehow watch it.
@ 36. Mark Lynch - October 6, 2008
… I must say I am lokoing forward to seeing the new engineering room in 2009, along with the bridge, ship exterior, crew, uniforms. Oh hell, just about everything really. God, I am such a geek!!!
Like the word ‘fan’ being derived from ‘fanatic,’ ‘lokoing’ takes its definition from ‘loco’ as in ‘locomotive.’
So, “lokoing forward to” something would mean: ‘an anticipation that moves highspeed on rails across great distances.’
:-/
Just sayin.
I’m still amazed at how many people prefer all the secrecy yet keep coming to sites like this where all we do is chip away at it. Nobody, including myself, are looking for plot points. We just want to see what the new look of the movie will be like since they are re-launching a beloved and already established franchise. Not to mentioned that the film got pushed back 6 months.
Did he really say, “EATING my tea”?
As painful as it is, as much as I want to see something–anything from this movie, I’ve got to say, “God bless J.J. Abrams.” He’s saving me from myself, because goodness knows I will be looking at every spoiler I can get my grubby little hands on.
But dang, I will be better off being surprised.
But HAVING SAID THAT….
I read a LOT of spoilers for the ‘The Dark Knight’…and despite that, there were still a couple of things in that movie that caught me completely off-guard…and I loved it all the more.
I don’t think they have to release anything yet. But a trailer by the end of the year? Please? Best. Christmas. Present. Ever.
Scratch that. The best Christmas present ever would have been a MOVIE by Christmas, but hey, now we’re splitting hairs….
#59 Negotiator
If all you come here for is the spoilers… take a gander out on a few other threads.
When it comes to spoilage, a bit can’t hurt (IMO) , but the constant demands of a few that stomp their feet and demand the new E does get old and a little embarrasing. Bob Orci does lurk here at times.
I do wonder about a few posters that point out that they “must” see all these things to “make sure it’s right”.
(chuckle)
Like that would change something at this point.
#60 Third
Bob O promised something before Xmas
#59—Chip away at what? When is the last time you read a “spoiler” you didn’t already know about? We pretty much know nothing substantive about the film that we didn’t know a year ago.
Furthermore, when there are “spoilers” in an article here, Anthony is careful to preface it with a warning. People who don’t wish to read such things can ignore it if they choose.
Anyone who actually thinks that something substantive and definitive is going to slip, doesn’t know this creative team at all.
#62—”I do wonder about a few posters that point out that they “must” see all these things to “make sure it’s right”. ”
Yeah, and how arrogant is that? …”Make sure it’s right”?
That’s absurd, and all the more reason for Abrams ‘not’ to show it to fans outside the context of the entire film. No matter what they’ve done with it, some group or another will cut it to pieces…They have nothing to gain by releasing pictures or images of the entire ship.
At least if they make fans wait to see the Enterprise (in full) until the film’s release, there is the chance that those fans (who would otherwise go on the attack) may have their feelings a bit more tempered by having just seen a good movie.
#64 Closet
Thanks for completing my thought.
;-)
There is lot to be said for waiting for a present.
Imagine being home alone in early December. Some gifts, including yours, are already under the Christmas tree. The temptation is far to great and you succumb to the moment… “just to be sure they got it right”
My now adult children did this about 8 years ago. They peeked and re-wrapped the packages, taping over the tape. They’ve been forgiven, but those packages were re-wrapped again by their mother and I prior to Christmas to include a safety feature.
A locked box.
They got the clue.
Sometimes it’s better to let it be a surprise.
I think STAR TREK has the potential to be the Shakespeare of Science Fiction. But if it’s ever going to get there, and last, we have to be prepared for it to change.
The canon phenomenon is fundamentally a reference to Christianity in the years between Jesus’ death and the Nicene creed, when early Christian writing was more diverse.
Until [or Before] we have our ‘Council of Nicea,’ the debate should be about whether we want a mythic or a dogmatic paradigm for TREK.
That said, Engineering has to be in the Secondary hull. Structural steel is painted red. Spock hadn’t spoken to his father for several years before “Journey to Babel.” No matter how crowded and submarine-like the Engineering room is going to be, there has to be room for karate chops and judo throws. And real Klingons are smart, sinister and prefer profit to honor.
#58
LMAO….
#60
Tea in that respect is the same as supper. British thing I am afraid… :-)
24. By big red thing and girders, do you mean the two rows of large inclined tubes behind the grate at back of Main Engineering?
35. I agree with you that Main Engineering was in the secondary hull. However, since the dilithium crystal converter assembly is on the deck, or floor, of Main Engineering (see TOS: “Elaan of Troyius”), and since this assembly regulates the reaction of matter and antimatter, I think the intermix chamber is below Main Engineering, rather than above it. Also, TAS: “Beyond the Farthest Star” shows the engineering core being accessible through a core hatch on the floor of Main Engineering.
As for the tubes and the chamber above them, I think the chamber was actually the location of the antimatter pods, and the tubes were the antimatter injectors that fed antimatter into the intermix chamber. And since each row of tubes had five tubes, I think there were either five pods with two injectors each, or ten pods with one injector each. The warp plasma conduits that feed warp plasma to the warp nacelles were way aft of Main Engineering, and the impulse plasma conduit was far forward.
So I think that with the intermix chamber and the warp and impulse plasma conduits separated from Main Engineering, the Engineering crew was safely shielded from radiation and did not have to wear radiation suits, but after the refit for TMP removed the separating decks and bulkheads, they would have been exposed to radiation and had to wear the suits.
A note on semantics: I think that Main Engineering is just two decks in Engineering, while Engineering itself encompasses many decks and rooms, including Main Engineering and the intermix chamber.
Oh Dear God!
‘G.A.L.’ (as Shat once said)
I really ike that Simon Pegg is truly one of us. Having so many Trek fans working on the movie makes me feel that maybe they got it right. in 7 months…we will know.
64:
Closet:
I think all of us must realize that Trek is a business. There will be no “sneak-peeks” of the E unless they are geared toward general audiences.
I think the current marketing bits have been wastes of money. Big Corps measure the impact of all marketing spend, and the impact of the “Under Construction” teaser and the current posters must be zero (though the Trek teaser is apparently attached to the Iron Man DVD).
Paramount must create a super trailer for the masses, a la Iron Man, which will draw the regular folks in. They’ll do it. It may not give us the details of the ship, and it will have to most likely sacrifice nostalgia for what’s new and attractive.
AJ [71] is right, its business. The good thing is that we know that the folks behind the movie see more in it than just that, and tell us about it in advance…
#71—I don’t know how significant the spending was on that teaser, but I think we have to remember this.
When that trailer was produced, the film was still on schedule to be released in December. Marketing was put completely on hold after the decision was made to release Star Trek as Paramount’s big Summer movie of 2009. We have yet to see a real marketing campaign for this film, and rightfully so, IMO. Interest needs to “peak” just before the release, and I believe that general audiences will only maintain interest in Star Trek (no matter how great it looks) for a very short time.
I think they have the right idea. Apparently, we’ll see something before X-Mas, and the marketing campaign should escalate from there—coming to a climax in late April/early May, and making the most of the realities of ‘attention-span psychology’ in their marketing strategy.
Many not know, but Mongo have final say in end design of Trek movie. Mongo give thumb up or thumb down on Enterprise. Mongo say that good or that bad on inside of ship look. Mongo say yes yes or no no on uniform.
Mongo wonder when JJ mans, Orci mans, and Kurtzman mans (that funny) get around to let Mongo have final look? Daylight burning.
#56 - John, I’m going to assume you came into all this recently enough that it was after TPTB had begun busily retconning what had been “established” before. ;)
To be fair, the thinking has evolved over the years, and that’s fine, but it shouldn’t be discounted that a couple of decades back, the official and semi-official “conventional wisdom” really did place Main Engineering in the primary hull, just forward of the impulse drives.
#74—Mongo should definitely have final cut and unlimited creative control.
A vote for Mongo… man
In Mongo we trust. Mongo mean you trust.
You guys funny. Mongo think he pull fast one on JJ mans, Orci mans, and Kurtzman mans (that funny). Maybe not be surprise get phone call:
“Mongo? This JJ Abrams mans. Want send you pre-screen of new Star Trek movie and get input. Have my people call your people and we do lunch. Writers, too. Orci mans follow your writing on Trekmovie.com and think you have bright future write for television. Kurtzman mans (that funny) think you have better grasp of language than most writer in business. And you taller with more hair. Be intimidating if have to go on strike again.”
Mongo dream.
Mongo save Fakesteve mans week!
Mongo, don’t forget to tell JJ mans Fat Leather Belt below uniform shirt for clipping Phaser and Communicator to Not Good!
fakesteve mans
Mongo note. Velcro fabric of future. Also sombrero too large. And flames on nacelles wrong color. Should start yellow, then fade orange to red, not start green then fade blue to purple. Also Uhura smoke cigar. Make her one of boys. And Sulu have to lay off the weed. Him’s little friend not on this trip.
Mongo: very important to not forget including little rotating thingy for McCoy mans!
fakesteve mans
Check and check. Plus, sound on bridge go “BURR BOOP BREEEEP! WONGWONGWONG.”
BND next summer:
> Early May:
BND: Why be Kirk singing and lookin’ like a teenage lass? And whar’ is this magical Montana at? Is Sybok thar’?
THEATRE MANAGER: Sorry, sir. No refunds.
> Late May:
BND: Oh dearie me! Spock just killed that bloke wit’ his razor claws! What be goin’ on here? Lookee at that crazy Vulcan hippie go! Hey- he coulda healed his own bloody radiation poisoning in “Khan.”
THEATRE MANAGER: Sir, do you even look at your ticket slip to ensure you are in the correct theatre?
> Early June:
BND: Hey, this Enterprize has no nacelles! Whar’s tha’ projectionist? He be smudgin’ tha’ print!
MARKET MANAGER: Sir, this is not a theatre. You’re on Portobella Road in the market. Now, if you would like to buy that Victorian commode, we can glue these lovely French sevres vases to it’s sides; fill ‘em with toilet tissue.
> Late June:
POLICE OFFICER: Sir, you need to be wearing pants out in public. I’m going to have to ask you to quietly leave the theatre.
BND: But Dr. Evil is aboot ta’ fire on Kirk and crew! Wait… are our teeth really that bad? Why dunna Mikey Myers just put on his Kirk mask and stab tha’ daft prat?
> Late September:
TV ADVERT: Own Starry Trek- now on double-platinum plutonium yellow-ray razor lazor disk. With bonus feature- the all new Starry Trek teaser preview!
BND: Starry Trek? No thanks, mate. Instead o’ waitin’ fur that bloody film ta’ see, I have dedicated me life ta’ bein’ a baker. Look… I made cupcakes outta all tha’ popcorn I found in me cinema seats.
TV ADVERT: Television does not provide conversational feedback, ye’ bleedin’ loonie-pie! Why don’t you just go shell out a few thou for these new disk players?
BND: Bloody hell ye’ say! I canna even get me music disks ta’ play on tha’ turntable! Some technology thar’!
Arrrrrrr…
Oh, and Gillian Anderson be pregant fur sure… dunna think they stuck a reverse-vacuum in her belly button again…
#84—Can’t wait for the next tea-time chat with BND…Who will be the next guest?
36. I agree.
38. I think the second link should be: http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/gallery/factfiles/1701-engineering-refit.jpg. This picture shows what I was talking about in 69. As you indicated, the picture shows (Main) Engineering during Seasons 2 and 3.
And the first picture shows Main Engineering during the first season. Here, I think the dilithium crystal converter assembly, or its equivalent, was the two big machines on the port side of Main Engineering. I guess between Seasons 1 and 2, the ship underwent a major refit in Engineering.
45. I agree, but I did not know about Matt Jefferies’ ideas about the engines. If that were case, then the tubes behind grate in Main Engineering would just have been power feeds from the nacelles, and the dilithium assembly would just have regulated the power feeds to the rest of the ship.
Can you identify the episodes that essentially depended on Main Engineering being up in the primary hull?
53. Please see my response to 38, in the paragraphs above.
I tried the link and fast forwarded the player to 18:48. However, I did not see how the diagram places the trapped crew far below decks; since it is entitled “Hull Pressure Comp’ts”, and since one of several Klingon characters refers to it as the layout and specifications of the ship, it is probably just an engineering diagram. Nevertheless, a second, female Klingon looking at a nearby device does report to the other Klingons that enemy numbers are the same as theirs; so she must be reading a sensor that detects life signs. So I do not agree though that the diagram means Engineering could be in two places.
But my strongest reason for not agreeing is that at 49:33 of the video, when the Federation crew and Klingon survivors chase the entity off the ship, the entity exits on the starboard side of the ship, at the chevron of the Starfleet insignia. This exit point shows the location of Main Engineering: in the secondary hull, right behind the deflector dish.
Anyway, I do agree that if the ship had an auxillary bridge, then the main impulse engines and power systems should have an engineering command and control center in the primary hull, too.
54. Oh, well, I watched the whole episode anyway, because I found it intriguing, even though I have seen many times.
56, 75. In 86, I mentioned that “Day of the Dove” shows Main Engineering being in the secondary hull, just aft of the deflector dish and marked by the chevron of the Starfleet insignia.
[86,87] Kudos to TIA for the in-depth analysis. I completely second his findings.
So if Engineering is in the Secondary hull, what does that say about
TOS’ GREAT ENGINEERING SETS!
TOS Enterprise’s impulse engines always seemed to give me the same impression that the Engineering deck/set implied. That is why I ALWAYS saw at least one engineering department being at the rear of the Primary hull. Come on. Engineering hade that HUGE red screen and the lighting in there was always red and seemed to pulsate like a hot impulse engine.
Surely you “Second Hullers” can see this point of view. Can’t you?
Why else did ST TMP show an interior shot of the Engineering decks that ran down through the ship, through many many levels, from the Primary to the Secondary hull? The only way to understand all those decks, in that interior shot, is to show the “new” tubular Warp Core passing down through the Primary hull, down the ‘neck’ to the Secondary hull.
IN FACT, STTMP’s Enterprise had that detail painted on the ‘neck’ of the ship. If you look closely you can see where the engineers allowed for a grey vertical strip on the ‘neck.’ That’s probably there to show a denser, or different hull material. One that would be needed to protect that vulnerable portion of the ship.
That’s the Warp core guys. C’mon.
For lack of a better shot, You can see that detail here…
http://home.comcast.net/~woozletrek/enterprise/dorsal3.jpg
Come on, TMMW, not even the D had the warp core assembly pass up to the neck, where saucer separation was possible…
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans/factfiles/enterprise-d-big.jpg
I say Impulse primary with a separate engeneering section, and Warp down in the secondary…
I found the Franz Joseph Blueprints from around Stardate 7503.06 that Mark Lynch mentioned up there at [36]. Joseph placed the engeneering section in the primary hull, and he mentions 4 “Twin Impulse Power Units”. The drawing looks like engeneering is next to the outer hull of the ship at the Impulse engines…
http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/blueprints/sftm/03-08-10.jpg
*wistful sigh* ahhh
im just soaking up all this excitement… i love hype. i really do. :)
Hi guys, I haven’t been here in a while, has a trailer date been announced for this yet?
#93–No, but there have been some hints.
Orci is on record here as saying that ’something’ new will be forthcoming before Christmas. That’s as much as we have on that front.
Although, I woud anticipate a trailer being attached to something out of Paramount during the holiday season. The promotion campaign should begin at that time, and escalate from there until its climax in early May.
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Thanke… Oh, I gots too many guests on me recent Tea Time Chat. Like Spider-Man 3, tha’ more is not tha’ merrier…
All them blueprints show a Captain’s Yacht on tha’ Enterprize… can ye’ go fur marlins oot in space? International waters have little law… go gamblin’ on tha’ yacht… maybe mix Bosco wit’ gin… wear yer’ tie as a belt…
Arrrrrr…
Nice post FakeSteve.
Thanks for that historic look at how TREK was seen for many early years, by hard core TREK fans. How may times I went to a convention just to pick up a set of Joseph’s designs. If there is a Great Bird in the galaxy, then Franz designed the wings (with an obvious kudos to Matt Jefferies).
I must insist that Main Engineering is in the Primary hull purely because of onscreen depiction and exterior ships details. Also because of my need to make Trek make scientific sense. Like Science Fiction should be!
Take a look again here…
http://jlscreativeenterprise.net/images/SCIFI-STUFF/C072-800.jpg
Where are there at least eight decks availble for such a tall “Warp Core(?)” It has to be coming down from the Primary hull, through the neck, to the Secondary hull.
SECOND HULLERS:
ST-TMP is the primary culprit for the “Second Huller” Engineering controversy. That is where the “Warp Core” was first truly mentioned and depicted onscreen for the general public. Although I believe TAS had made a similar attempt to show a Warp Core. At least TAS made sure the Engineering deck complied well with TOS’ set designs. A REAL ACHIEVEMENT!!! Before then the ships Warp engine itself, was referenced only as “the Engines”, or “Warp Engines,” or the “Mains.” So who thought it was critical to stretch out a Warp core across 10-20 decks? Now that’s not Logical is it?
But when TMP came along, Engineering was changed in the eyes of the general audience. But some, like me, wanted to envision both the TOS E, and the TMP E, as the same ship. TOO MUCH of the ship changed for my tastes. How did it get from there to here? And now perhaps, we are going to see yet another revised design.
Hopefully the producers have chosen to add scientific thought behind the redesign this important ship’s department. It would be nice for us to be shown for sure where some, or all, of these rooms are on the Enterprise in this next movie. Otherwise your just kinda lost.
They did it well in “Wrath of Khan,” with its can-opener phaser shot. Right there. You knew where the torpedo bay was on the outside of the ship, and the Phaser shot complimented that knowledge quite effectively. Bringing the action of the space battle right into the action on the interior decks. THIS IS IMPORTANT to the viewer!!! TWOK showed a part of Engineering (?) and its arched ceiling did remind me of the secondary hull. But where are the Impulse engines at? Forgotten TREK?
The viewer should look for these details. When depicted well onscreen, it really adds to the believability of a TREK movie.
ENGINEERING: Science-fiction VS Science-fact?
STTMP created a design for a “Warp Core” that was impressive, but it lacked a bit of science behind the whole idea. Today we already have atomic colliders that are evoking a similar power to what the Enterprise’s Antimatter Engines must create. The CERN particle collider uses a long track that is magneticallyalligned to propel atoms to “near the speed of light” on a long circular track. The Enterprise’s saucer shaped layout could easily afford to incorporate that type of magnetic track right into the design of the primary hull. A long magnetic track could be placed in the perfect spot there on our ship (scientifically speaking). This could provide an explanation for how the E can propel atomic bits of matter to high speeds in such a short distance at the same time explaining why the Enterprise has a round Primary hull too. A evolving science and relevant idea that would be fit in well with TREK’s next step.
The right angled TMP “Warp Core,” although impressive, hardly has the space needed (for a straight track) to achieve the same acceleration of matter to near light speeds. Such acceleration would probably need alot of track length. Again, TMP tried, it was repeated over the next 25 years cause it looked good, but its central concept lacking.
A circular particle accerator that feeds to a warp core would be right at home in the circular Saucer section design.
CERN’s method uses a circular track about 18 miles long. It has magnetic couplings all around the track to keep the propelled matter directly centered, and on target to smash another accerated atom coming from the opposite direction. It takes a lot of momentum and track length to accelerate atoms close to light speed. CERN’s track is also completely surrounded by powerful magnetics too.
Surely the Enterprise could make use of a strong magnetic field right?
A strong magnetic field around the front of the ship would be in the perfect place to help protect everyone in the Primary hull from deep space radiation outside the ship. Remember the Primary hull was supposed to be the safest part of the ship. Sickbay was supposed to be in the middle of the Primary hull a few decks below the Bridge. Probably because the magnetic field circled the primary hull and Sickbay in particular. Perhaps that’s what is runing along under some of the flooring on the circular-decked hallways. Pick up the floorring and you see the magnetic couplings of the particle accerrator.
The strong magnetic fields would also be very critical in space to keep a crew safe from deep space radiation on thier long voyages. Perhaps that’s why some crew members in the secondary hull’s Engineering deck wore shielded uniforms. That is where the magnetic field is lowest. Except for a magnetically shielded conduit that runs down from the Primary hull to the second enginerring department at the Warp Nacelles. A strong field would also help wean some Trekies off of the INGNORANCE that is gravity platting.
Star Trek has to mature beyound gravity platting everyone. That’s just ridiculous.
I’d try to keep the ships TOS layout, and Engineering in particular. As close to the original as possible. I really liked Engineering in TOS and the feel of the Impulse engines in particular. In fact if you really think about it. That’s the last time we ever saw the Enterprise’s impulse engines (from inside the ship) was in the Original Series (WTF?). Surely a large engineering marvel like an Impulse drive would need constant monitoring and maintenance.
I am sure a revision of the Enterprise’s Impulse Drive would be a first in a TREK movie and would be impressive onscreen too. Just why is TOS’ Engineering deck the largest we have ever seen for a Starship in 40 years?!!!! Simple we have forgotten about the Impulse drive.
It’s like, “Where have you been all these years my massive powerful Impulse drive?
Scotty would be there tending the Impulse drive as much as he would the Warp engines. And those Warp engines have not been shown to be as easy to reach for maintenance from “Main Engineering,” as well. Eh, JeffriesTuber?
Logically my vote is still for Main Engineering to be in the Primary hull.
It could make more scientific sense!
Maybe that’s why the E has its saucer and cigar shape. One hull, the Primary, for ships control, crew, primary engineering departments. The secondary hull would then house the, deflector control, shuttle bay, shuttle bay storage (TMP). Warp nacelle support, tractor beam control, fuel storage, and a smaller Warp drive engine room.
I have many more points, but that might have to wait for another thread.
Come one consider it everyone!
The main Engine room should be in the Primary hull and a secondary Engineering deck at the base of the Warp engines!
And there is that Gravity platting concept. That just sucks too,
91. fakesteve
Bad Hotlink.
Try this one.
http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/blueprints/enterprise-deck-plans-sheet-4.jpg
The “Warp Core” starts(?) at the top and goes from the Primary hull down to the Secondary. But still, the idea of a “Warp Core” spread across the whole ship seems unlikely.
More likely, Main Engineering is in the rear of the saucer section.
The “Warp Core” could still be just be an enhanced energy conduit, and not an actual Engine Core.
Its been 40 years, and this is the kind of thing Trek can easily address and enhance with todays science, film effects and set design.
OK. Just one more post on Engineering…
Lookey closely here…
http://www.cygnus-x1.net/links/lcars/blueprints/uss-enterprise-construction-plans-sheet-1.jpg
The Women!
Trek Made Me Wonder (et al),
Wow! You really have given this a lot of thought, haven’t you? Like you, I’m much more impressed with a production when it really tries to incorporate a consistency to the way mechanical things work. Say what you will about “treknobabble,” when it is used effectively it goes a long way to giving the impression that the objects the characters use are real and they are designed for a specific function.
Alas, however, you haven’t convinced me that Main Engineering is in the primary hull. In my mind, it’s still in the secondary hull, just under the pylons for the warp engines. I like it there, if for no other reason than it gives the characters somewhere to go in the secondary hull other than the shuttlebay.
On the “real science” side of it, however, I really like your idea of a CERN-like supercollider as a power source for the Enterprise. Given 300 years of technological advancement, it’s not too hard to imagine that we could pare down CERN’s 18 mile circumference down to a size that would fit quite nicely into the circular shape of the primary hull. In fact, the cut-in on the underside of the primary hull would work perfectly. The power from that collider could be fed to the impulse engines at the rear of the primary hull and down through the connecting dorsal to the deflector dish and the warp engines. Elegant, simple, and effective!
This is giving me some really neat ideas. Maybe a 3D model showing how such a system could work on the TOS Enterprise…hmmmmm.
Excuse me, I think I have some work to do. Thanks for the idea!
Jonathan Frakes once described Star Trek as adventures taking place on a FICTIONAL starship called Enterprise. Guys it’s shocking but true.
[98,99] Whoa, TMMW, you put in a lot of thought here… And I see what you mean with that link to the 1701 construction profilem where it says at B Stage “Impulse Engines Mounted” and “Enginroom Control Installed” I agree on the part that there is an engine control room next to Impulse, that makes total sense. But I still vote for Main Engeneering in the secondary hull, like Buckaroohawk. They call it “Secondary or Engeneering” hull, even in the oldest blueprints, which was always my reason to believe that Scotty had do go all the way down there with the turbo…
Maybe Roberto Orci can shed some light there for us…
;))
Well, Ken, I find your lack of faith disturbing…
Aye, Aye, Buckaroohawl
NO TREKNOBABBLE PAST THIS POINT
Well, in my book, a Engineering deck without the Impulse Engines somewhere depicted on set, is going to be lacking in thought.
As someone once explained the Warp engines create a field around the ship. It’s the Impuls Engines that do ALL the work propelling the ship through space. Its the Impulse drive that keeps that ship in orbit or traveling to new worlds!
Indeed 101. and Bob ‘O.
Will there be a TOS-like set design for us to see on the Enterprise?
They did’nt ignore the important Impulse Drive in TOS.
Back when Star Trek was in its golden age!
The Engineering deck without the Impulse Engines is the main difference between TOS and TMP’s Engineering department. Did they move Engineering in the refit? The Warp Engines were certainly radically redesigned too.
And what up with that GIANT crystal at the top of the TMP E? As I understand it, its a GIANT deflector crystal for the shields. Or, is it the top of the “Warp Core?” Good old TOS E was more practical. In my opinion, It sure did’nt need the radical facelift. Again without a solid explaination, these details distance these ships further from a scientific and practical line of thought and moves Trek closer to a Star Wars type fanstasy realm.
I don’t think Trek can be ampted up enough to compete with Star Wars for king of the fantasy realm. And at this point, Trek needs to become much more certain and sensible!
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100. Ken
Star Trek is a form entertainment for me Ken. And I, for one, would like to spend that time without questioning inconsistencies in the production design. Trek’s scientific concepts have been around long enough to allow some reality based ideas into the mix.
Trek could really improve in the Science department. Do you have any new ideas? Why not throw them out here for us to ponder?. Trek makes me wonder…
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The Women!!!
Dear TMMW, the warp field is a subspace displacement which “warps” space around the vessel, allowing it to “ride” on a distortion and travel faster than the speed of light… the Impulse drives are just needed out of warp…
I think it’s logical to assume the the Warp engines are purely part of the secondary hull.
Even the first Enterprise was capable of saucer separation. The saucer has the impulse drive attached to the rear, and the nacelles and warp plumbing are attached to the secondary “engineering” hull. Two distinct parts of the ship.
#87 - I’m familiar with the optical in question, but the rest of “Day of the Dove” all-but-specifies that Main Engineering has to be somewhere other than “below decks”, because obviously it’s not where most of the crew are trapped. It gets a little dicey, because the episode also asks us to believe that over 350 crewmembers are trapped below deck 7, at the very least, if not outright all in the secondary hull, which is problematic. If they’re all below deck 16, it gets almost impossible to believe. ;) The implication is that Main Engineering is somewhere higher up.
Again, to be fair, there are also a lot of indications that it could have a secondary hull location, in various episodes. I tend to imagine that there are both impulse and warp engineering sections, and both might have been treated by Scotty as the primary facility at various times.
#96 - TMMW, one thing to remember, too, is that Trek relies on a lot of physics that’s beyond what we already have. They don’t need huge accelerators to build up the sorts of energies necessary to create the subatomic particles because they have that level of energy available to them in other ways. And as for grav-plating, that’s not ignorance; that’s evidence that they have something very important for which our physicists still quest… a Grand Unified Theory. Incidentally, it’s such a theory that also makes a lot of the force fields and other bits of comparable tech viable.
I don’t think there’s any doubt but that Main Engineering and the central matter/antimatter reactor is in the secondary hull in TMP and other, later ships (as well as in the NX-01). Is that also the case in TOS? There are, as we’ve seen, arguments to be made on both sides, and good ones at that.
Ken (#100),
We all know that the Big E isn’t real. But the inner workings of that remarkable vessel, and how she might operate if she WERE real, serves a number of purposes. For me, it helps me expand on my fascination with construction, design, and architecture. Also, the technological aspects are simply wonderful to imagine. Like Stephen Hawking said when he saw the warp core on the TNG Main Engineering set, “I’m working on that.”
At the very least, for some of us, working out the conundrums of Treknology is a mental excersize; our unique version of Fantasy Football, if you will.
In many cases, fiction is only fiction because somebody hasn’t really done it yet. The next great leap in engineering, technology, or fuel efficiency could very well come from someone pondering the same issues we’ve been discussing here. Conversation generates thought, thought generates ideas, and ideas can take us to some wonderful places.
Gee, I guess Trek Makes Me Wonder, too. How about that!
#107 - Nicely said, Buckaroohawk. :)
It’s accepted as canon that the Enterprise has always had the ability to separate the hulls, even though we never saw it until TNG. Kirk says in “The Apple” that Scotty should break out with the main section if he has to, or something like that.
In TMP, the E got a big Anti Matter coolant vent thing between the impulse engines and the bridge, which was explained as being directly above the on a Y-axis from the Engine Room and Warp Core.
So it follows that the Saucer had impulse engines and back up power, while the Secondary Hull had the Warp Core and Nacelles.
Besides, there’s no way to explain the visuals in the original Sets in the confines of 3-4 stories of a Saucer.
We need a more potent word for “not canon.” From Wikipedia, “Heresy” is an introduced change to some system of belief, especially a religion, that conflicts with the previously established canon of that belief.
The original TOS Ballantine blueprints have to be rejected as heresy.
I can’t see how you guys can ignore the logic in my posts above.
The blueprints speak for themselves quite well.
Its absurd to think the ship can separate without having an Engineering section in both parts of the ship. How would you operate the Impulse engines without Engineering being attached to the separated Primary hull.
You “Second Hullers” kill me!
The Women!! /i>
Alex Rosenzweig (#108),
Thanks! I appreciate it.
TMMW (#110),
Just to be clear…I never said there wasn’t an Engineering section in the primary hull. My opinion is that the set for Main Engineering that we saw throughout TOS is in the secondary hull. There could well be one in the saucer as well. We just never saw it. ;-)
There could be an “Impulse Room” as someone here termed it, in the Saucer Section, to act as a sort of secondary Engineering and it makes sense that there would be.
However, the blueprints linked in post #97 seems to indicate that Engineering (or rather the Warp Drive Engineering Complex, the only Engineering section expressly referred to by name in the blueprints) is located on O Deck in the Secondary, or Engineering, Hull. The blueprints even correspond that what we saw in TMP with the long horizontal warp conduit that runs aft out of Engineering to the nacelles. This would seem to put Main Engineering in the Secondary Hull.
Impulse engines are very small. They don’t even take up much space on a shuttle. So it stands to reason that the Primary Hull/Saucer has a basic set up for maintenance of the Impulse engines and power supply, but both Warp and Main engineering are in the Seconardy Hull.
Review “The Apple,” there’s a clear reference to ‘break out of orbit with the main section’ or something like that. Roddenberry referenced it in the original publicity for TNG.
The blueprints were published by Ballantine, I’m looking at them right now: “The Complete Set of 12 Authentic Blueprints of the Fabulous Starship Enterprise.” So they’re no more canonical than a paperback novel.
Guys, first of all, I am a proud Second Huller! I plan to attend at least one of the international premieres, and will corner Damon Lindelof. I will not release him before he (A: explains this engineering business, and (B: the nature and true being of smokey!
69. Another note on semantics, or more properly, terminology: according to website http://www.voyager.cz/tosframe.htm, which provides transcripts of the TOS episodes, the show never used the term “main engineering”, “intermix chamber”, or even “primary hull“ and “secondary hull“. It does, however, use terms that might be equivalent to “main engineering”:
“engineering”
“engineering deck”
“engineering decks”
“engineering department”
“engineering division”
“engineering room”
“engineering section”
Except for “engineering deck” and “engineering room”, these terms could also be equivalent to all of engineering. The term “engineering section” may actually be equivalent to “secondary hull”. Additionally, the show referred to “engineering decks” individually by deck number, i.e. Engineering Deck 3 or Engineering Deck 5.
The show also uses terms that might be equivalent to “intermix chamber”:
“matter-antimatter engines“
“matter-antimatter nacelles”
“matter-antimatter reaction chamber”
“matter-antimatter reactor”
“matter-antimatter reactors”
But “matter-antimatter nacelles” might also be equivalent to another term that the show used, “matter-antimatter pods“.
Unfortunately, I do not know how faithful these transcripts are. If anyone can point to a better website, please let me know.
#113 - “The blueprints were published by Ballantine, I’m looking at them right now: “The Complete Set of 12 Authentic Blueprints of the Fabulous Starship Enterprise.” So they’re no more canonical than a paperback novel.”
I hate to say it, but as someone who never let my assessments of the Trek Universe stop at the edges of a TV or movie screen, my only reaction here is to shrug.
The facts are that FJ’s work was as authoritative as it could be, given the thinking of the time. And in that period, in the early ’70s, the idea of a matter/antimatter reactor inside the secondary hull was almost nonexistent. The prevailing idea at the time was the action all happened in the nacelles.
Now, over the years, that idea has changed, but that doesn’t make the blueprints…what was the word? Heresy? Sheesh… ;) Even FJ gave himself the out of including a warp engineering section in the secondary hull. Might it look a bit more like the TOS set than FJ drew? Could be! Or maybe the TOS set was impulse engineering, and warp engineering will be portrayed as quite different and unique in the upcoming film. :) Thing of it is, there are, and have been, different ways of looking at he whole thing, and I think we should all admit that it is, after all, fun to play with the ideas. Yes? :D
I think it is safe to assume that the new movie will keep these details in mind. Perhaps the trailer will show us enough.
One thing is sure. The budget is HUGE!
Surely they must have designed the E inside and out by now.
TRAILER!
TRAILER!
TRAILER!
I hope that one of the things that is released as part of the new film is like we had for ST-TMP and that is a set of bleprints for the Enterprise. But unlike the TMP blueprints I hope we get interior deck plans or at least a cutaway view.
Some of my proudest possessions are the blueprints for the original Enterprise and the Enterprise-D.
I’ve always loved to see these things and imagine myself walking around the ship.
I must say that I was mighty impressed with the Enterprise-D deck plans. Still have them somewhere, must get them out again sometime.
Someting like this cool cutaway illustration 119?.
http://home.comcast.net/~thewoozle2/startrek/enterprise.jpg
Is that Engineering at the top, near the Impulse drive?
Seriously, This cutaway seems to be a little out of scale. I’d make the internal scale a little smaller. But still a real nice job.
116. So if the term “matter-antimatter nacelles” is equivalent to “matter-antimatter pods”, then it is probably not the same as the term “warp drive nacelles”. According to wikipedia.org, the term “nacelle” is “commonly used in aviation, nautical and spacecraft design, to refer to a covered housing (separate from the fuselage) that holds engines, fuel, or equipment” and even a cockpit. So I think matter-antimatter nacelles are like fuel nacelles in aviation, as opposed to warp drive nacelles, which are like engine nacelles in aviation. However, if nacelles are supposed to be separate from the fuselage, or hull, why are the matter-antimatter nacelles enclosed within the engineering section or secondary hull? I think they are just flushed against the surface of the hull, rather than embedded deep inside the hull.
In any case, I found another website that provides transcripts, http://www.chakoteya.net/StarTrek. After comparing the two sites, I think this one is more faithful, as I found the terms “engineering levels”, “warp drive nacelles”, and “main section” here, but not at the other site. The term “engineering levels” is probably the same as “engineering decks”. And the term “main section” probably means saucer section or primary hull.
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Hey! I’ve got that poster too….. ;-)
I just love things that make our Trek Universe even more real.
121. I also found the term “impulse deck”. I think this is the deck that contains the impulse engines.
Well, I hope I made my point about the Imulse drive being a good set piece and worthy of inclusion into ST XI. Seeing the huge Impulse drive fire up its conventional engines would be really great to see and would be Epic in scale!
Really. The “Impulse Deck” should be brought back to Trek.
It’s been been long forgotten and IS a critical ship component.
I’ve never given an ounce of thought as to where the impulse engines are located. But you guys all seem to have a wealth of knowledge on the subject, and on both sides of the issue.
Engineering shares the 16th deck with Medical. It also sits at the back of the saucer section, decks 6 and 7; assumedly these are where the impulse engines are — the warp drives are in the main propulsion units, along with the control reactors - one in each - which sit on the two pylons.
This according to the original blueprints. Of course, the Enterprise was rebuilt so many times across the various movies, who knows where anything wound up . If Abrams reverts to the original plans, maybe we’ll get to see the bowling alley down on deck 21
If you’d like, and if there’s a place for ‘em here, I’ll scan the blueprints so y’all can see for yourself