Bryan Fuller Serious About Creating Star Trek Series – Wants Return To TOS style October 22, 2008
by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Trek Franchise , trackback
Last month we reported that formerStar Trek Deep Space Nine and Star Trek Voyager writer/producer Bryan Fuller mentioned in an interview that he would like to create his own Star Trek TV show. It appears this wasn’t just idle talk. In a new interview thePushing Daisies creator says that he is actively perusing this goal of bringing old school-style Trek back to the small screen.
Back to the future for Fuller’s Trek
In an interview with iF Magazine about Pushing Daisies, the subject of Trek came up. Fuller got specific:
iF: you also wrote for STAR TREK VOYAGER, which is quite the opposite of PUSHING DAISIES, what do you find you enjoy more the quirky or the science fiction. Do you think or do you want to ever get back into sci –fi genre?
FULLER: Absolutely. I told my agent and told the people of J.J. Abrams team I want to create another STAR TREK series and have an idea that I’m kicking around. I would love to return to the spirit of the old series with the colors and attitude. I loved VOYAGER and DEEP SPACE NINE, but they seem to have lost the ‘60s fun and I would love to take it back to its origin.
In case you missed it…here is what Fuller previously said to MTV about his ambition for Trek on TV
I would love to do another ‘Star Trek’ series. One where you could go back to the spirit and color of the original ‘Star Trek,’ because somehow, it got cold over the years. I love ‘Next Generation,’ but it’s a little cooler and calmer than the ones from the ‘60s, which were so dynamic and passionate. ’Deep Space Nine’ was the best of the modern ones, because it was so emotionally complicated. ‘Enterprise’ was the most sterile of all of them, when it should have been the most fun.
‘Star Trek’ has to recreate itself. Otherwise, all the characters start to feel the same. You always have a captain, a doctor, a security officer, and you have the same arguments based on those perspectives. It starts to feel too familiar. So all those paradigms where it takes place on a starship have to be shaken up.
Fuller just might be the one – but are they looking for one?
In 1997, at the age of 28, Bryan Fuller started off his Hollywood with Star Trek and he went on to write 21 episodes over 4 years (2 in DS9’s last season and the rest in the 4th-7th seasons of Voyager). He moved up the ranks, eventually being made a producer on Voyager in its last season in 2001. He is very much a Trek fan and although he was mostly active with Trek during what many might consider ‘the lean years,’ Fuller wrote some of the better character-based stories. Like Ron Moore and others, Fuller is one of those members of the stable that appear to have been under-utilized while working on Trek. His post-Trek career has involved writing and producing for the hit Heroes as well as creating multiple TV series, including the hit Pushing Daises.
Fuller is certainly the kind of guy that the powers that be would take a meeting with if they were considering bringing Trek back. However, according to sources, the plan for the short term is to wait and see how well JJ Abrams new Star Trek feature does before considering bringing Star Trek back to the small screen. But just about a year from now JJ Abrams Star Trek will be hitting the DVD shelves and the pilots for the 2010-2011 season will just start to go into development, so who knows.
Fuller mentions JJ Abrams in relation to his pursuit of Trek on TV, but it isn’t clear what role if any the JJ Abrams team would have. Abrams (and his production company Bad Robot) has a production deal with Paramount for feature films, however his TV deal is with Warner Brothers (who is producing Fringe and other TV projects). CBS owns the rights to Trek on TV and it is likely that any new Trek TV show would be produced by CBS (although CBS could sell the show to any broadcast or cable network).
For more from Fuller, see the full interview at iF Magazine (Part 1 & Part 2).
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sounds brilliant to me….
as excited I am for the movie a new OS style series would be AMAZING!!!
nice!
Looking forward to it.
Why should they give it back to a loser from Voyager/TNG? Let the new crew do their thing. I’m sure Tim Kazurinsky and Nora Dunn have some amazing ideas for Saturday Night Live too but they’re not going to get the shot.
I tried to watch Pushing Daisies, but it gave me sugar diabetes
I have to say any new trek on tv would be awesome.
…not first…
#3
Try reading the article… hardly a loser.
He loved Voyager? Man, that’s a bad sign.
Stan…that kind of personal attack gets you a warning.
keep it civil people
Um… a loser from “Voyager/TNG”? This guy had nothing to do with The Next Generation. And, being an avid Star Trek fan, I still count TNG as the best of all the series. Voyager, on the other hand, would rank a distant last.
Okay, I’m in!
I know alot of people have issues with some of the later shows but going back and watching them again recently, all the way from TNG to DS9 to Voyager and then Enterprise. and I found that they werent all that bad like i had remembered (Enterprise and Voyager i mean, I’ve always loved TNG and DS9).
I personally wouldnt mind something in the TNG era that harks back to the TOS stylings, or maybe even some kind of non Enterprise Side story set in the TOS Era.
But maybe thats just me
Bad Idea Jeans
“Young minds fresh ideas. Be tolerant. “
DS9 was my favorite series, because it had a begining, middle and end unlike the other series. DS9 was a bit dark and got political and religous at times, and that is what I liked about it.
It would be great to have a new series in the vien of OS, but I would like to see the between ST:Generations and NG stories.
What’s holding this deal up? Make it so!
“you also wrote for STAR TREK VOYAGER, which is quite the opposite of PUSHING DAISIES”
Actually they have a lot in common, they’re both crap!
I think it’s a terrible idea. Get the new Star Trek film out there, see if it’s successful and still has some sort of mass appeal, than weigh the options of either more Star Trek films (I prefer this) and/or whatever other creative possibilities there are out there. Star Trek did need time to rest and pumping out another series at this juncture seems like a mistake: Trek isn’t going to ever vanish, so I don’t see any purpose in possibly killing it with again more over-exposure like the house of cards that fell over time with the end of TNG, into DS9 and Voyager, and finally and pathetically with Enterprise… That should be a valuable lesson to mover and shakers handling the Trek property.
Any new Star Trek series would have to be done in the golden era of Starfleet (the 23rd Century) for me to get excited…I don’t want to see any more holodecks or holodeck adventures!!!
Give me the sexy, action friendly, frontier type Star Trek I fell in love with as a kid…not any technobabble heavy, sterilized, “utopian” perversion of that.
It’s got to be all about the characters and stories.
With that said, I don’t think an association with VOY has anything to do with how he should be evaluated as a potential candidate. I think it’s safe to say he wasn’t at the helm of that ship! I don’t know much about the man, but I do know Paramount is right to wait out the results of the new film and its reception before committing to anything like that.
I think itd be a BIG mistake to bring back trek to the tv series so soon…(not to mention having one of the VOYAGER producers do it!..)
Star Trek needs to find its feet on the big screen again….and (if its a success) hopefully enjoy a run of about 2 or 3 further movies unhindered by any tv show running at the same time as they need to focus on the MOVIE series only for the next few years IMO
yes that right i said ‘unhindered’ as although TNG was very successful when treks V and VI were in cinemas theres little doubt the multiple spin offs after that harmed the movie franchaise and made the movies feel less of an event (although part of the problem was probably more the producers of the spin offs also overseeing the movies)
so i say keep tv away from trek for the time being…
I think I will take a wait and see on this one.
I got it! The perfect idea for Fuller to manage, one that will have everyone talking for days and days!
Wait for it….
“Star Trek: Excelsior”!!
*ducks*
HELL NO. Let’s leave Star Trek in new hands and not in those who ran it into the ground, something Voyager played a HUGE part in doing.
GOD NO!
No lame, cheesy, unrealistic, bullcrap, flashy colors, 60’s TOS star trek
the new movie is as far as I’m willing to accomodate TOS, Bad enough they kept the ridiculous uniforms
yep, tolerant Trekkers… a rare breed.
I haven’t seen Pushing Daisies yet, but as much as I love Voyager, it’s full potential was never realized, and was subsequently my least favorite of the Treks. I don’t think Fuller would be the man who should be behind the wheel.
He wrote for voyager and yet wants to return to the TOS style. For the love of god cant anyone actually move forwards with startrek, not be stuck in its past. Lets take a look at TOS, it lasted 3 seasons on TV, and yet somehow TNG, DS9, and VOY get so much crap yet each lasted 7 seasons. Hell, even Enterprise beat TOS by a season. Honestly, I want to see what happens in the Trek universe after Nemesis, even if its not with the TNG crew and I think they need to work off of what worked with those 3 series’s and what didnt, not just go back to old star trek.
Xai,
Agreed. We love tolerance and acceptance of everything… except when it comes to the show itself. If they can do it well, that would be good.
And why are people not reading the “BETTER CHARACTER-BASED STORIES” part? That part is, actually, in front of Voyager. Voyager, like all the Treks has its moments.
DS9 and TNG are still my faves, with Voyager in a close second. The only thing I didn’t like about it was the lack of a continuous storyline, which is something I loved about DS9. If they can keep it flowing from episode to episode, that would be wonderful.
I think it’s safe to say that the concept of Voyager was not the problem, but the execution was, shall we say, lacking.
I am all for new TV trek, but not if it is anything as incoherent and badly executed as Voyager was.
You know, I’d actually like to see some of the “Lost Era” stuff. There’s this nice-sized gap that needs fixing. Either that, or move on with it already and go post-nem.
hey i’m for it !!:D
NO, NO, NO, NO. NO MORE TREK ON TV UNTIL, LIKE, 2020.
Plus, how can he say it needs to ‘recreate itself’ on one hand, and on the other say he wants to go back to something a la 60’s Trek? “So all those paradigms where it takes place on a starship have to be shaken up.” Like DS9? Great show, maybe, but didn’t exactly grab the mainstream audience by the short hairs.
Let the new film open up the existing shows for new people. There’s a really great show called ‘Star Trek’, out now on DVD. That’s all anyone needs.
I could never get into Voyager. It had a few decent moments but for the most part, seemed so detached from Trek and unemotional. I never bonded with the characters, never cared what happened to them, could care less they were lost, so what. Blah. I liked TNG more because the characters had…well, character. The writing was a bit deeper as well. It was a little more sterile than TOS, but it was it’s own show and was good as such. Enterprise could have been better, too.
To me the 4th Season of Enterprise was a lot closer to the Tos Series as far as stories and Action. It was a lot more fun on the 4th season and a lot more like TOS. It bridged with and felt better. The First 3 seasons were just not that great. A few good Episodes but just a few. I would love to see a new series But Lets make it after the 4th season of Enterprise and make it about the Romulan Wars and How all that happend and then at some point lead it in to Capt Pikes Enterprise or maybe make it about The Enterprise with a Young Spock and Capt Pike. So many possibilities and so many storys can be told. Just keep Berman away. Sorry Anthony. I had to say that.
Complain all ye’ want… I still watch Voyager… I mean it be better than “Star Trek: 7th Heaven” and “Star Trek: Benson”… I mean what tha’ bloody hell wuz wit’ them shows? Whale biologist and V’Ger freak ta’gether wit’ kids??? And then Odo and Neelix team up in politics? I didda not see any phazors fire even… and those bloody awful uniforms!
I got a show fur ye’…. Cap’n Janeway goes and solves murder mysteries her husband should be solving…
How about a special called “Borgy Orgy”?
Maybe focus on Spock’s ancestors workin’ in coalmines in “How Green Was My Vulcan”…
“Enterprize Revisited” with new expendable engineer Commander Slip Sucker…
Arrrrrrr…
Enterpise definitely got better in the fourth. The Mirror episodes were amazing, because it finally brought back a bit of that old fashioned dirt and grime.
Let’s just see how this plays out.
Yes?
guys, Star Trek was Fullers first job as a writer when he was in his 20s. He joined the show in the 4th season (after writing 2 episodes for DS9 in its final season). He didn’t become a producer until the final season and was never the show runner. He did a good job working within the system as one of the lower guys in the roster. Since then he has shown off his talent and ability to write, produce and create shows. I would imagine that Fuller would agree with many of the critiques of Voyager. It is clear from his comments that any new Trek show he made would not be like voyager. I for one would love to see what he has in mind.
There’s a reason why JJ Abrams has Trek.
Let HIM tell the stories for a few years….
No TV, no spin offs, no nothing. Let’s just make some killer movies.
“Get Back to where you once belong.”
Doing another weekly TREK TV series concurrently with a TREK movie series is just dumb. I would have hoped TPTB would have learned a valuable lesson from the last time this was done. Say whatever you will about George Lucas, at least he was smart enough not to produce a continually running STAR WARS TV series with his movies, even though he could have made a boat load of money doing it. He waited until the movie series concluded it’s run. He understood the cons of doing such a thing outweigh the pros.
Personally I think it would be the coolest thing ever. It would be awesome to have a show in the Captain Pike era, with a younger Mr. Spock and “Number One,” Dr. Boyce, Yeoman Colt et al. (The Lost era comics were just amazing)
It would be even cooler if it was done in the 60’s retro style – maybe risky, but there would certainly be nothing like it on TV!
VOY was all wrong. I could never find anything to latch on to, least of all the ship. That was a creatively uninspired ship. Janeway sounded sanctimonious, Chakotay was a waste, B’Ellana was too pretty to be interesting, and the black Vulcan idea was just cheap parlor tricks.
If they pull this movie off, they own the franchise and there won’t be any B-Television anymore.
#16
Speak for yourself, Pushing Daisies is as far from crap as you can get. It’s one of the best shows on TV right now. It’s fairytale/fantasy, so it’s going to be a little saccharine for some, but it’s an excellent show.
Some of you guys are being harsh here. If CBS/Paramount agree to it, what’s the harm in both J.J. and Bryan showing their visions? It could work out perfectly, geesh!
Space is V A S T and I think the problem of the post TOS shows is they made the Galaxy seem rather cramped together with more and more alien races.
There is something cool about the Earth Outposts we visited in TOS. There are dozens of Earth colonies out there that we never got a chance to see. Many are isolated and out of regular contact for years at a time. And a major part of the duty of a star ship is to “check in” on these far-off places.
If there is a new show, I would hope the producers would make the stories more about the people who are exploring this Final Frontier rather than a new alien of the week.
I think Pushing Daisies is a an excellent and completely original show( for a change)
Not another sickening recycled Cop / CSI / Lawyer type show.
Pushing Daisies is just as colorful and inventive as ALL of those great shows from the 60’s were.
There was this one partucular show I liked back then that I just can’t remember the name of………..something that had a guy with pointed ears in it or something?
I’ll tell you if it comes to me.
; )
ST-TOS is by FAR my favorite television series. No equivocation. I’ve long thought that an OS-era revival TV show would be a great idea, so I’m for this idea. Maybe its time has come (again). I would love to see a new show with the seat-of-the-pants adventure of the first Trek, with bright colors, bold stories, in-yer-face music, the whole thing. Bryan Fuller has the right idea. I actually think the Star Trek concept works better as a television series than as feature films. Features always seemed to be more about making money than about telling good stories, or serving the concept.
And just so you don’t think I’m a total OS Trek troll, I liked the spin-offs (and most of the movies) well enough, and even spent several months writing a spec script for Voyager when they were accepting over-the-transom submissions. It was a personally rewarding exercise — putting words into the Voyager crew’s mouths and putting them through their paces was a lot of fun — and I was really pleased with the result. I sent it to Lolita Fatjo, and it was dutifully returned to me, exactly one year later, apparently unread. Ah well.
It’s be fun to think I could try again with a new retro-style teevee Trek series.
Scott B. out.
Y’all can bet your bottom dollars that if JJ’s Trek is successful, CBS will have a series on the air within 12 months.
Mr. Fuller shows he’s a fan, and, sorry Chang’s Gang, Trek is, first and foremost, a TV show. If he gets a crack at it, and he’s obviously trying to, he must realize that DS9 was not a “gritty” alternative to TNG. Nor was VOY a needed fresh take on Star Trek afforded by the Delta Quadrant’s distance from the UFP. And Enterprise excelled when it embraced its heritage, and sucked when it strayed.
Don’t make Trek “colorful” or add “attitude” unless it propels the story forward. “24″ has ‘attitude’, and it’s been on the air for years with declining levels of interest. Maybe Trek would benefit from “intelligence,” “character” and “story-telling.” Be nice if our show led again, instead of followed.
Boy, a lot of people are harsh here.
Why do Xai and Anthony sound like the only voices of reason here?
Here’s my theory: Paramount will not greenlight a series yet. They’ll wait for this movie to be a success, then greenlight a sequel. If that one hits, THEN they’ll probably do another series. Just my opinion.
Meanwhile, Fuller by himself isn’t enough to get me excited (though of course I would tune in if he came up with something).
I read after Enterprise was canceled that Manny Coto had an idea for a new series, but was going to sit on it for a while. Now THAT I would love to see!
Sounds great to me! I can’t stand there being no new Trek on TV anymore! He has written great episodes for Trek already, so I don’t see anything stopping him!
None of the international, high grossing film franchises make the mistake of doing a high quality, continually running TV series with it, even though each of them could, and make a lot of money doing so–assuming it works. If it doesn’t, you run the risk of tarnishing your film product.
By spending 150 million on this film, TREK is wanting to play with the big boys, and if so, it should follow the rules the big boy play by. James Bond, Batman, Star Wars, Harry Potter, Jason Bourne, and Pirates of the Caribbean are special events. Each of these franchises makes the audiences hunger for their film product. They make it an event when the movie is released. They make the movie appear to be something special. How can all this happen if you can get it weekly on TV and for free?
Please, no more TREK on TV!
#47
another “voice of reason”. I doubt mine is
I think that JJ should make his movies (a trilogy, hopefully) and get the interst in Star Trek ramped back up again. Make it cool to be a Trek fan, like it was during the TNG era.
Then, I think JJ and his team from the movies (Orci, Kurtzman, etc…) should do the new TV show. The TOS crew (maybe even the same cast from the movies if possible) in the original five year mission. Tell stories around and in between what we alreay know (kind of like the JMS idea) with an overall story arc taking us through five years (maybe some kind of huge galactic mystery).
Use flashbacks, flash forwards (since we all know what eventually happens anyway) and throw in easter eggs and snippets of old episodes (maybe even completely redo one or two) to show them possibly in a different light given this new overall arc.
Keep the aesthetic and feel consistent with the movies and, above all, make it fun. I think that would be an awesome series and I think those people could really do it justice. I haven’t seen something yet from JJ, Orci, Kurtzman, etc… that I haven’t liked (especially on TV).
Of course, I’m sure this is all just the delusions of one fan who grew up on TNG and is dying to see TOS taken on in a contemporary way. And, of course, it’s all completely predicated on this new movie being completely and totally awesome (which I’m pretty sure it will be).
So take it for what you want. That’s my two cents.
I seem to be alone in this but I loved most of the Star trek series, and the one I liked the least was DS9. I rarely watched it except when it looked interesting. I am trying it again but I still think it was the worst. I was actually disappointed when ENT was Cancelled. I think the only reason people hated it was because it was a prequal. People hate prequals so much and if it doesn’t go the way they expect, they hate it and don’t give it a chance.
So he wants to make “colorful Willy Wonka” Trek basically. I know he worked for the franchise before, but if they chose this guys property over mine…..
well, I can’t really say anything that wouldn’t make me sound crazy or get me arrested.
Now if only there was a website out there that could help me get CBS/Paramount and the fanbase stoked about what I had created…….
Guys:
There won’t be time for a trilogy as a motivator for a new series. If Trek 11 is a hit, there will be new TV show before Trek XII is filmed. If CBS doesn’t already have a few variants of a pilot written right now, someone will be very fired.
JJ Abrams finished this film ages ago, and he’s taking too long to make them. He should have pulled a Peter Jackson, and done them all at once, but they (PP) need to see 11 work before they greenlight 12 & 13. CBS is just waiting for Paramount to pull its finger out and release the film so they can get a series rolling.
IMHO, of course!
“I don’t want to see any more holodecks or holodeck adventures!!!”
Amen to THAT!
I think a series about another ship such as The Lexington would be interesting
Sorry, I haven’t read all the comments, but I agree with #38. Doing a Trek series now would be kinda dumb. Let’s wait and see how the movie does, and if there’s going to be a sequel, or series of them. I mean, we’ve gone four or five years without a weekly series, we can wait. I mean, I’d rather we waited a little while, until they come up with something that’ll blow our minds, than wind up with another Voyager. Seriously. It would be worth the wait, if we had to wait (hopefully). One last thing: Cannonfornication: I LOVE your name. That’s awesome. (Also one of my fave weekly series’ and one of my fave RHCP songs)
A show bridging the gap between the TOS movies and TNG would be cool. Bryan Fuller would be a good choice if JJ doesn’t go for it. Of coarse there won’t be any movement on a new TV series until the new film proves successful. One thing is for sure. If the movie is a hit the TV show rumors are going to fly all over the place.
It’s mind-boggling how the mere mention of “new Star Trek” just seems to bring out the utter narrow-minded-ness of some humans. Poor JJ hasn’t even had a single person walk into a theater yet, and he’s had to endure a Joe Foreman-like beating. Poor Mr. Fuller is only expressing his desire (just like MANY, MANY Trek fans) to bring Star Trek back to the small screen (and he happens to be in a position to potentially pull it off), and he’s already got people who’d like to drive him off the road… silly human race.
Look, we all know that we all like some things, dislike other things, and we rarely do so in unison, so what else is going on that makes people want to keep bitching like 3-year olds?
SPOCK: You must have faith… that the universe will unfold as it should.
Now, can we heed the advice of that wise sage and relax a bit? I, for one, am trying to enjoy the excitement and have some fun with all the new Trek and rumours of Trek :-D (see my tremendous smile?)
I would like a followup show on each of Spock’s Pon Farrs and who helped him survive…
I wouldn’t be surprised if CBS already had someone kicking around an idea or two for a Trek series. It really does hinge on the success of this movie. I would love to see Trek return to television, but I’m not sure about the TOS era. It would inevitably draw comparisons to TOS. We’ll just have to see how things go.
Denise!!!!
If someone (Mr. Fuller, or someone else) can develop a new Trek series and get it on the air, that wouldn’t be such a bad thing. On TV or on the movie screen, good Trek is good Trek. As long as it is GOOD Trek, that is.
Mr. Fuller’s associations with previous incarnations of the franchise do not disqualify him from potentially developing a new Trek-based series. He’s a television writer/producer/creator, those are all the credentials he needs. Just because he worked on shows that aren’t favored by some people here is no reason to dismiss him. If he wants to try and put a new TV show together, more power to him.
Here’s an idea for a TOS era TV series… follow the crew of the Constellation under Matt Decker. At least then, we’d know there’d be no danger of sequels or movies.
None of the TREK films have come a country mile grossing what this film, or any subsequent TREK film must make to turn a profit after spending 150 million; nor have any film grossed anywhere in the neighborhood of franchises like STAR WARS or Potter. Why would Paramount or CBS risk deflating TREKs film profitability with another venture into TV? I sure hope their logic and common sense outweighs their greed.
If the movie is a super hit and turns into a film series, I think they’ll wait ’til the movie series concludes before attempting a TV series. If the the movie is a moderate hit, but it’s decided not to do another movie, it might then become a TV series. If it tanks, I think it will become a direct-to-video franchise which personally, given it’s current state, TREK is anyway.
I’m not that interested in a “Tos style” star trek again, nor am I interested in anything star trek that comes from someone who worked on Voyager.
Serious post this time.
I think Mr. Fuller’s desire to go back to the TOS era is more a question of when the story takes place, not necessarily the production value of the original show. Given how far production technology has progressed, I find it hard to believe anyone would consider doing a show deliberately that looks like it was made 20-30 years ago. In that case, you get “Swingtown”…
For years, I guess since first hearing that George Takei mentioned a “Captain Sulu” show, I’ve had the idea that it might be interesting to see a show focused broadly on Starfleet, and not concentrate on a specific ship. There are advantages to this:
1. It would help establish Starfleet as being larger than just one ship.
2. It would allow for productions of several episodes simultaneously.
3. It would provide an opportunity to see if a particular ship/crew becomes more popular, thus building in the chance of a spin-off with a cast & crew already in place. So no first season “shakedown” woes like we saw in TNG.
4. Set in the TOS era, it would also allow CBS/Paramount to cross-promote the movie franchise.
5. It would allow the Enterprise stories to remain in the films while letting us see other ships, which means other designs, other directions to fly other than the Klingon or Romulan side of space.
I agree that CBS/P will wait until the box office reciepts are counted for the new movie, and there’s also this to consider: it’s a very touchy thing to “reboot” on television. Witness the demise of “Bionic Woman”, and the lack of quality of “Knight Rider”. Don’t be ready to throw “Star Trek” back into that mix.
What about an official CBS/P produced web series? Most science fiction fans embrace new technology as it is, and “Gemini Division” and “Sanctuary” have been well-recieved. Why not?
Please God, no. Do not do this with anyone involved with the production of VOYAGER.
Vic
Sounds great but no offence I don’t want any of the Voyager creators anywhere near a TOS themed series. Would certainly be jazzed for it with the right creative team behind it!!!
Bring on the Fuller Brush Man to clean up the airwaves! He’d be the man to do a TOS-era series faithful to the original.
It’s funny how anyone connected to VOY automatically becomes responsible for the fall of Star Trek. Bryan Fuller is a brilliant man who in the past decade has produced and written some of the best television, if only people care to watch.
Wonderfalls, Dead Like Me, Heroes’ “Company Man”, Pushing Daisies. That’s a resume ANY network would clamber for. Don’t hate on the man just because he signed on as a fan to a sinking starship as his first foray into the television industry.
Some like Alien Trek , some like Terminator Trek , some like Arthur C Trek , some like Wonka Trek , and some like Star Wart !!!
59: I did. It was me. The *truth* can finally be told….
Hey, in all seriousness, I’d love to see a new series. Keep my fingers crossed.
Frustrating to read all the negativity in this particular thread. Sad to see the optimism of Star Trek lost on so many “fans.”
Jason P. Hunt – Kansas City Filmmaker:
I think “Star Trek” gets a brief “Get out of jail free” card if it comes onto TV as plain stupid (Nightrider).
When TNG came out, there were liberal media pundits who just prayed it wouldn’t suck. It didn’t, and paved the way for some decent genre TV, with “Buffy” and “Lost” as successful beneficiaries, amongst others.
What Trek needs to do is return to the genrer TV world that it created, and be valid again.
My opinion says a ship and a crew in Federation space, and writers who can deal with the universe. Ron Moore bitched about its constraints, but it was immature. History is history. I mean, how annoying is the civil war? Real human history is just as much a part of canon as what people write.
Okay, Mr. Fuller has been officially declared a god-like being with superior intellegence. (Is he single…? lol)
Seriously though, I really like what he’s saying. I’ve always wondered why they couldn’t do another straight-up TOS TV show – I mean, there were three shows and four movies which took place in the TNG Era, so why not make another show which takes place in the TOS Era?
Godspeed, Bryan Fuller!! I’m TOTALLY going to watch your show now, even if it’s not Trek related!! XD
Regardless of who does it (I like Pushing Daisies just fine, myself), a return to the small screen is the only real kind of “return” Star Trek can really have. Movies are cool and fun and high profile, but they can’t explore and develop characters (or the setting) the way a series can. Star Trek is many things, but at its heart it is a TV series; the things that make it strong spring from that format.
“Voyager” had serious issues with credibility. How was it possible to speed at maximum warp in a beeline toward Earth yet encounter the same villians? That would mean the bad guys were heading toward Earth much faster, then stopped and turned around to wait for Voyager. That strained credibility for me. Also, the ship looked way to neat and clean. There should have been sections closed off to conserve power, low level lights, and NO HOLODECK.
All that being said, instead of a weekly TV series, why not a monthly TV movie? That could allow for a longer program with more background and better told stories. As for movies and television competing with each other, if both are done well they will compliment the other not siphon off from each other.
A series set in the timeframe between the five year mission and the events of ST:TMP would interest me greatly. Almost nothing has been told of this time period, and with the exception of the daring and exciting shows by James Crawley, this period needs to be explored.
I like All the Variations of Trek , but generally , the Star Trek is a small Tv Series to Viewers . It is not overly popular . Cbs and Paramount are not really interested anymore . They should find a Network that is interested . There are a lot of TV Professionals who are interested , Bryan Fuller and Scott , being some , and there are probably some more here . I would be quite happy to watch any of the series sequels run for years . I think we know JJ is making a bubblegum film for the public . We should support a network , public or otherwise that would perpetuate the star trek theme !
#72 Darfyn
LOL! Sign me up for all of them!
#52 eagle219406
I agree with you about disappointment over Enterprise’s cancellation, but DS9 was my favorite series!
#50 Xai
Thank you.
And then, what’s with all these people wanting TOS-era series, and “filling in the gaps” and stuff like that? I thought everybody hated Enterprise (note, not me) because it was a prequel and tried to “fill in the gaps”? I, personally, would watch a show that did that, but really, let the movies do it.
Any new Trek TV series needs to move FORWARD.
Post-Nemesis.
Into the 25th century and beyond, please.
#78 “A bubblegum film for the public”?
Well, the only way the movie’s going to be as successful as it NEEDS to be (especially given the budget) is for it to appeal to the broader masses, and not just the Trekkies.
But having said that, I think there’s enough Trekkies who are working (did work?) on the production, that they aren’t going to violate Trek with it.
“Bad Idea Jeans”
ha ha Jeffries Tuber! Classic! lmao
#33
Interesting Mike ! I found the first 3 seasons of Enterprise more likeable than season 4 which I thought hard edged ! (maybe i knew the series was about to end) .
I guess us fans who prefer the TNG-era Trek won’t get a show like that ever again :/
Oh well… there is always ST:O
#26: In the 60’s Star Trek, even though it was an “adult” series that ran in prime time, was a critical disaster. Almost every review of the series at the time panned the show as kid’s stuff. It was almost cancelled in its second season, and only a concerted effort by its fans kept it on one more year.
Everyone who lambastes TOS seems to forget that without it, we wouldn’t be here! You may not think it’s the “best” of the six series, and that’s fine, but the other series you like so much (or love to hate) wouldn’t exist without it. I dare say that Kirk, Spock and McCoy are going to be remembered and are still stronger cultural icons and have more gravitas than any of the characters that came after them. Not to say that the other series don’t have merit, but ask a non-Trekker about Star Trek characters and they will invariably bring up “the big three.”
Wait until the movie is released and see how it does. Then do a series about one of the other 12 Starships in the fleet, during the same era as the original Enterprise.
But before that, let’s see some 2nd & 3rd season Blu-ray dvds. When is that gonna happen?
Well again I have to agree with Anthony and the more moderate voices here. Why are so many of you so strongly opinionated against one star trek tv show or another?? They all share Roddenberrys universe vision and characters and NONE of them are perfect, least of all TOS!
Voyager had plenty of great episodes, some stinkers….Janeway was a great female captains role and it was done wonderfully. Most of the characters in Voyage made the best FAMILY on star trek I have seen since TOS…they all looked out for each other and cared and loved deeply to the point of altering time more then once just to get their crew back.
Janeway sacrificed for her crew and loved them as much as any of the other captains…
I think ANY return to tv from Star Trek would be great and it should have many different views with input and stories from scifis best writers….TOS would be great to continue in with unrelated or different adventures….
We will all have to wait to see how JJS Trek does…Me I miss not having any Trek on tv…..I loved all the series…and I also think that by the 4th season Enterprise was awesome….too bad it took that long to get great….yah the mirror universe episodes were so great I would have liked to have seen an entire series just with the mirror universe characters!
That would be different why not make a mirror universe series….let the stars be bad guys instead of good guys! Down and Dirty!!!
Pushing Daisies shows that Fuller has a range considerably beyond Voyager. He also worked on Heroes and Dead Like Me. Give him a shot with his own version of Trek!
Pushing Daisies is one of the best shows on TV right now. I think a Fuller-produced Trek show would be pretty cool, but I worry that it would be cancelled right away because all his shows seem to have this trouble. Wonderfalls was cancelled pretty quick due to ratings and Pushing Daisies seems pretty vulnerable right now too. It was doing well last year and then it was struck down by the writers strike. Now it’s lost in the ratings. So except for the fact that he seems cursed as a producer, I saw bring on Fuller-Trek.
Jim , Katie Mulgrew’s “Janeway” was one of the best Captains in the Star Trek Voyage … forthright , tough and motherly . She kept her Crew in their place ! and she loved them ! And in juxtaposition , she had the over sensitive doctor , and then 7of9 with her nano-enhanced body !! For us fans , who was the dominant figure ? Janeway , the doctor or 7of9 ?!! There was a lot of drama in it all !!! And some real trek complexity !!!!
Anthony,
I agree with you. I think Fuller would do an amazing job.
The question is: Is Fuller talking chronology or attitude or both? I’d love to see a new StarTrek series with a modernized 60s philosophy, a fresher approach, but I’d actually prefer the series to be set after the TNG timeline. I would like the StarTrek universe to continue at both ends, with JJ’s TOS “reboot” (or whatever you want to call it) and a new series post-Picard, post-Janeway. That could be interesting.
Pushing Daisies isn’t great but is inventive and visually interesting. This season he seems to be compromising it’s vision and becoming more mainstream. Tonights episode was boring.
Sorry all you “TNG and beyond” guys, but Trek’s commercial appeal does not lie with the style or content of those shows. The only thing that is going to make Trek popular again is EXACTLY the “lame, cheesy, unrealistic, bullcrap, flashy colors, 60’s TOS star trek” someone above spit upon. In other words A FUN AND EXCITING show. Some fist-fights. An action-oriented Captain who’s a real leading man (think heyday of Robert Conrad). No technobabble-filled gray sterile office feel. It’s not just a job, it’s an ADVENTURE.
Bringing a new television series back wouldn’t be a bad idea. But I do agree that they should wait and see what happens with the movie first. If Paramount decides to do sequels, see how many they plan to do. Then, while they are in Pre-production, put up the proposal again. I wouldn’t mind a spin off series chronicling the Early years of Kirk’s crew on the good old Big E (using stories from novels and comics as well as original scripts, and not a rehash of TAS scripts[those stories have been dealt with]). It would also be interesting to do a series during the 80 years between Movie Era and TNG Era. Picard on the Stargazer anyone. Or maybe adventures of the Enterprise B or C. Could be fun. The one thing that also would be interesting would be to try doing a post Nemesis series to tie into the Star Trek Online Game. They could try relaunching Star Trek Enterprise and give us that 5th season that should have been made (honestly, I want to see the Earth-Romulan War, not just some origins of the conflict). Going back to the TOS era, you could do something with Pike or April on the Enterprise and their voyages. Or if they wanted to go for the mid day soap oprea, they could do a show based on Kirk’s First retirment mentioned in Generations. They could try bringing Captain Calhoun and the USS Excalibur to the screen. Or you could do a totally new crew entirely within any of the boundaries alreday set by canon. Finally, you could reincarnate the crews of previous shows as they have done with JJ’s film and add to their stories by producing shows based off of the novel and comic series (Shatner’s big chance at ressurection). There are so many possibilites. Now I know I overthought this, but you have to admit the possibilities are numerous. Star Trek still has many stories to offer. Its just a matter of getting the money, the talent and the go ahead to produce them. Just look at memory beta online for ideas. There are plenty. I’m very optimistic and await the return of Star Trek to both the big screen and the small screen in whatever incarnation it comes in as long as it is faithful the original vison of Gene ROddenberry and faithful to the characterizations of the crew without being impressions of the previous actors. The World needs Star Trek. Come on JJ and Bryan, lets give Star Trek some CPR.
On the other hand…
I also highly recommend a “Treks of Starfleet” anthology (or series of TV movies) with good audience-grabbing guest star Captains and crews.
I’m all for it That’s the series I’ve always wanted to see.
Voyager’s shortcomings had little to do with Fuller. Fuller was on staff but you could hardly call Voyager Bryan Fuller’s vision of Star Trek. No one here can claim to know what Fuller’s Trek would look like.
And yeah, Voyager was the weakest Trek series, but it was at its best when it focused on character driven stories based around its strongest characters.
Personally, I think an animated series would be the way to go. It wouldn’t dilute the film franchise and it would deliver the serialized buzz hard core Trekies are craving.
I’d like a new Trek series with more of the cool space elements the New Battlestar has. Come one. Wouldn’t an Enterprise more like a battlestar be awesome? What if it had fighters?
Fuller sounds motivated and ambitious – have Bob, Alex and crew create a mythology and put Fuller at the helm.
It could have tie inns to the movie and sequels, however,
I’m sure it would be a different crew/starship but still set in the 23rd century.
#98 I think the idea goes against Starfleet’s theme in Star Trek where the role of diplomacy comes first and war second . How about a Starfleet Crew marooned on a Borg Ball or in some other Fleet , or hostile quadrant .
Hmm… not quite sure why this has devolved into an argument about which series is best…
I personally think I new TV series could work, but it has to work in tandem with the new film (series, we hope!). A TV series following the ‘normal’ Trek format (26 episodes per season, 7 seasons) wouldn’t work.
Perhaps a mini-series – like 6 hour-long episodes with one continuous storyline? I think that could work.
I think the time frame should also coincide with the film, i.e. TOS era, or just before. This would make a lot more sense, and allow the franchise to be more approachable. You’ve got to remember that they won’t pour money into this just to please the fanboys, they want to make a profit. And in order to do that, it’s got to have popular appeal.
Personally, I would love to see a TV series showing 25th Century Trek (i.e. post-Nemesis), or one set in the missed age between Generations and TNG. Maybe on board the Enterprise-B. But you’ve got to question just how much appeal that will have.
You’ve also got to question the concept of sticking a crew on a ship and fly them off into the unknown. Because that’s happened 4 times so far (excluding DS9, which, by virtue of the station setting, had a very different dynamic), and by the last couple of seasons of Voyager, you’re starting to see episodes that are VERY similar to ones from TOS and TNG.
I’m all for a TV series, but it’s got to be done well, it’s got to tie in with the new movie(s), and it’s got to be fresh and different from what’s gone before. Otherwise the franchise is just running around in circles and not achieving anything, either artistically or financially.
Not only Star Trek, his Dead Like Me totally rocks IMHO!… I’d really give Fuller another chance on ST!
I loved enterprise!!!!!!.. I wish it would come back .seems end story line allows for many more eppisodes
I loved TOS, i liked TNG, DS9, hated Voyager and Liked Enterprise but liking 4 out of 5 of the Trek series isn’t enough for me to WANT or even believe in Star Trek again on TV. I think there needs to be a longer break – in 10 years time perhaps, but doing a TV series now would just kill Star Trek before this new Abrams lead incarnation really has a chance to breath.
Lets see how this movie does before anyone want’s to do more Star Trek – I’m pretty annoyed that Fuller has come in with this, it shows a total lack of regard for something STILL very much on trial. Enterprise was canceled for a reason and pushing daisy’s is doing poorly for a reason too.
Fuller needs to realize that he isn’t going to get the chance of doing Trek. If anyone does i hope it’ll be the next big JJ Abrams and Co. series.
Another series? not before it’s time and this is way before it’s time. give it 10, 15 years.
Paramount needs to forget about TV Trek for a good few years and get back to movieblockbuster trek. Look back to 1979 – 1986, Treks I, II, III and IV – big movies going up against whatever the likes of Spielberg and Lucas brought out at the time… Films that were out grossing 007 (in the US) and that brought in (when adjusted) around $300 million worldwide and over each…there was no tv trek to take the sheen off the new film…even Star Trek VI had its BO impact lessened (to an extent) due to TNG..(Trek Vs poor BO can be attributed to the film itself)
You can see how inconsequential the TNG films were at the BO what with all the oversaturation of tv trek…(but as i stated before that was also due to the tv like quality of the films – esp IX and X….its like Trek in general was getting washed up at that point and there was a gret deal of apathy about trek in general at that point)
Less is more…so no tv show for at least a few years while the movie series re-establishes itself again please
I would love Bryan Fuller or manny Coto to show run Star Trek.
Hoefully JJ will deliverr the goods we want but I would like one of the named above to show run a tv show on Star Trek
Please no TNG bashing. I loved TNG, it is up there with TOS
Please dont forget TNG on the run up to the new movie.
TNG became a show in its own right as well as being a follow on.
Just because it’s last movie was quite terrible and an pale shadow of what had gone before, please remember that it was a great show.
I love all the Star Trek series and hate to see it all lost due to one movie.
I am looking forward to the new movie but I still want Shatner and Nimoy’s likeness on tos novels etc. I dont want the public to lose the image of the originals when they embrace the new actors. I will embrace the new actors but I don’t want people to forgot about what came before.
- Star Trek is ,somehow a center of the sci-fi world and a new tv series it’s a great ideea, now when that clichee fashion era of the 90″s and the begining of the 2000 seems to disappear..that stupid fashion which makes the whole trek saga to be a real “hypercube”..senseless ..
”Paramount needs to forget about TV Trek for a good few years and get back to movieblockbuster trek.”
Excactly! Star Trek needs a big budget to work.
49 – i agree…i think Smallville possibly affected the anticipation somewhat for Superman Returns…
Personally, I don’t want to see another Star Trek TV series for — at the very least — five years. In my opinion, Deep Space Nine, Voyager and Enterprise were running on empty. Almost out of gas.
It’s like the TV writers ran out of ideas.
The Trek TV franchise needs a break. Let the movies hold us over until then. Maybe ten years from now, the creative batteries will be recharged enough for a fresh Trek TV series with a fresh perspective and fresh ideas. A TV series that isn’t just a retread or rehash of TOS or TNG.
In short, Paramount needs to wait. Perhaps in a few years, a new TV series could be launched, but now is not the time. Maybe later… But not now.
I have to agree with all the people who’ve said that Trek needs a big budget – it does, Paramount can’t do the half arsed version of Star Trek anymore. It’s a worry to be honest because CBS own the TV rights and of course they are going to want to have a piece of the Star Trek pie when this movie comes out so what is going to happen? will Paramount buy it off them? will CBS go ahead against Paramount’s wishes and do another formulaic, dull Star Trek series only aimed at the hard core, or will CBS just control the marketing side of Trek?
I hope CBS has the sense to just sell it to Paramount or Bad Robot. they screwed with it during Enterprises run and they’ll screw it up if they think they can get away with doing Star Trek on a shoe string.
this movie will change things if it’s successful and i doubt anyone will want a Trek series with the production values and budgets of the last 5 series.
TV/FILM:
I think they’d be wise to wait for several years after JJ’s arc has run its course before going back to episodic TV. I don’t know a lot about the new business arrangement, but it sounds like it could get weird if CBS owns the TV rights independently of Paramount’s movie projects. We might have two competing Trek teams without any cooperation or consistency between them.
40: I was never thrilled with the design of Voyager, either, but Rick Sternbach is a great designer. His early concepts for the ship were awesome. Producer Jeri Taylor told him to take one of those, but make it look like a Lexus. Given the 1994/95 Lexus directive, I’d say he made the ship as cool as humanly possible.
I agree with #97. I’d like to see another animated series of Star Trek. At least with animation they can show some of the original complex aliens like the Gorns and Tholians instead of just relying on very human looking aliens with rigid noses.
As for the return to TOS style, I guess that’s a good thing, but I wish that if a new series does get made that it would be less episodic and more part of a bigger story for the characters to develop through.
No, I don’t want this guy running a Star Trek TV show. Any Star Trek TV shows should be held back until there’s at least a sequel out to the new film. Ideally no Trek show should turn up until a good ten years after Star Trek: Enterprise bought the farm!
And, in the event a new Star Trek show becomes possible, it really needs the Abrams/Lindelof/Orci/Kurtzman team to oversee its inception and perhaps organise its showrunner. At the moment, we’re busy refocusing Trek back on its core characters and concept.
The last thing Star Trek needs right now is to go back to the late-80s/early-90s set-up of separate teams on the features and TV shows, begging and borrowing use of each other’s standing sets and risking contradicting each other!
As far as I’m concerned, Trek is back in its early-80s form as a movie series with, hopefully, lots of spin-off books and so on coming from these films.
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves. Star Trek is about to be reborn. Small steps, folks! Small steps!
Creating a new series with the quality of DS9 is a fine idea.
Creating a new series that merely mimics the set design and colors of TOS is laughable.
DS9 was excellent because it had good actors and good writing. Conceptualize all you want, but, as Enterprise proved, show concepts don’t count for much.
Fuller gets it. Time to go back to when Trek was fun and not so full of itself. Give this man a series!
Oh yeah, but an animated show based on new Trek, featuring Kirk, Spock and McCoy could be very cool.
A cartoon could use the designs and likenesses of the new film’s cast, but wouldn’t necessarily need to use the film’s actors’ voices. Plus, perhaps we could get some vocal ‘cameos’ from the original Star Trek cast!
Right now, Star Trek needs to concentrate on one crew, one ship and one era to bring back a wider audience!
I’m with #78 on two fronts.
1- Voyager: I fully expected, by the second season of this show, that they’d have ditched protocol, uniforms, and the lot, and we’d see a serious examination of Star Trek’s values. There were a couple of episodes that rose to that (eg. the one where they formed a mini-Federation in the starless void or whatever it was), but too many that carbon-copied TNG. That show should never have existed.
2- The TMP-to-TWOK gap: ever since the Director’s Cut of TMP, I’ve thought that a low-key animated series might be in order (forgive the comparison, but like what ‘Star Wars is doing right now). Someone has to explain how they got from the super-utopian feel of TMP to the military tone of TWOK (yeah, I know it was just two director’s visions, but it would be fun to work with).
I think Fuller doing a new series would be a good idea. Of course we have to see how the new film does, so i’m not surprised is CBS/Paramount will wait to see what the overall reaction is like. I’m not too sure about going back to TOS though for a series. Personally i’d like to see Trek move forward ,post nem, at least that way a series won’t be going against the films as such, with both tackling a very similar time line.
I wish Fuller all the best in any effort he makes to bring Trek back onto TV.
You know… the reason there is no star trek on tv today is because of its “fans”. i have never read so much nit picking crap in my life. voyager wasnt like the next generation, or ds9, or tos or ent. it was “voyager”. the same goes for each series. And they were all good. Just like JJ ’s new movie, you know who is going to destroy it …. STAR TREK fans….
Go for it! A dark, gritty Trek is, imo, a total failure. Trek needs fantasy, enthusiasm, vivid images and *colors*. No more space submarines, please.
I hope nothing gets put on paper until we see how the new movie does. I’d hate to see a show go on the air if there wasn’t a good audience receptive to it.
They should do a tv series focusing on the adventures of Spot.
in fact im willing to hazard a guess that paramount probably looked into something like that during the mid 90s…
I agree with what was said in 78 re/VOYAGER. I was really hoping for a lot more from this one. It should have been a bit like what the BSG reboot was; darker, grittier. It was always too clean, too well lit, as it were. The crew integration should have been more difficult, the ship should have started looking more travel-worn, etc.
DS9 I never got into for a few reasons; most of which was the era it was on TV and my own life. I’d catch eps here and there, saw some really good ones. The local station that was carrying it moved it around a bit and, in my pre-DVR days it was just too tough to catch.
As for CBS/D — and I’m ready to get yelled at for this one — I think a full-borne CGI retread of the Animated Series isn’t a bad idea. Certainly the graphics capabilities are there (look at the cut-scenes in the console version of THE FORCE UNLEASHED); even if they go a little cartoony (a la the new CLONE WARS series) it’d be a blast — one that I’m sure CBS/D and Cartoon Network could collaborate on.
Voyager is the best star trek series.
New star trek series, set in TOS era i great idea ( but only if it is not reboot )
I’ve read the comments up through about post #100, when my eyes started to spin wildly out of control.
“Give the Trek fans what they want!”
Unfortunately, if you read through this thread, they want everything; only some things; some other, totally different things; and nothing.
Man, we’re a hard-to-please bunch! :-)
Scott B. out.
I know some will disagree but imo there should never have been a DS9 or Voyager
Think about it how much better it would have been if there hadn’t been DS9 or VOYAGER boring everyone for 7 years a piece!
Also TNG could have ended in 94 as it did but Paramount should’ve waited 2 or 3 years before the 1st TNG film (to build abit of anticipation, not just for TNG but big screen Trek again)…and could’ve given it to proper filmmakers and writers (Nicolas Meyer and Nimoy being obvious choices) and just had the TNG tv staff like Berman as consultants/exec producers, just polishing the scripts etc (like Gene Roddenberry did for Treks II-VI)….and if they were desperate to get the two crew together something could’ve been done higher quality than Generations…maybe something similar to Yesterdays Enterprise….(not exactly the same but similar – like the way TMP channelled Doomsday Machine/The Changeling or TVH did with Tomorrow is Yesterday/Assignment Earth)
They could have still done Enterprise in 2001 as at that point trek would’ve been off the air for 7 years…so there would have been anticipation for a new series instead of the apathetic ‘what another one?!’
Some of you people can’t read. He says he loved Voyager as a preface to saying it was the worst of the lot. Rather like I might say I loved your comment on Bryan Fuller, but it was not the best post
I think it would be a nice change and go back to the 23rd Century. To see the Federation back in its earlier days. I’m intrigued by his not having the usual trio of main characters (Captain, Dr., Science or Security Officer) but at the same time I’m worried that it may come off too kid friendly. I don’t know too soft, too 90210-ish. But then again it’s way too early to be making any judgements other than keep working on it Bryan. Give us something with some edge but yet that 60s Star Trek cool. Good luck I’m rooting for you.
A new OS/2 series would be great. Leave new TOS attempts to the fan groups…
The #-crunchers at the studio would certainly see value in utilizing the new OS/2 1701 sets and props when JJ wasn’t filming the next sequel.
I agree that having the show run parallel to Star Trek JJ on a same-class vessel makes sense. Something akin to the TNG novel era’s Mackenzie Calhoun.
Pull some characters that appear through TOS as guests that would rationally be on another Constitution-class vessel. I’m not sure which vessel would make most sense though. Looking at the list, I’m going to suggest NCC-1709 USS Lexington. Bob Wesley as the lead character? Sure, why not. Sounds like a great lead role for a new series.
NOOO! Please – never go back to the 23rd century (at last no 50’s, 60’s, 70’s or 80’s) – on tv! (Sorry, Closettrekker :))
I’m a great fan of TOS and I love most of the adventures of Kirk & Co, and I also like the style of that show and a new show in that timearea could only work (for me) if it reflects that style. But that’s something for us fans, not for the main audience! They would shook their heads and switch off the tv, what would be the death of this new show. If Fuller want to go back to the 23rd century, he must re-invent, re-image or reboot everything and I wouldn’t like hat (I’m not quite exited about what I’ve seen so far from the new movie-pics).
But I agree with going back to the sixties feeling, the adventures, the excitement, the new STRANGE worlds and the NEW lifeforms and NEW civilizations. But that feeling could incorporated also in a tv-show presenting the 25th century, one or two generations after NEMESIS. That would help to keep the Trek-Universe intact, don’t interfere with JJ’s movies and showing something new.
“You always have a captain, a doctor, a security officer, and you have the same arguments based on those perspectives. It starts to feel too familiar. ”
I disagree (Sorry, Mr. Fuller). Someone has to be the Captain of a starship, the doctor, the security officer etc. But that don’t says, the characters can’t be interesting – The new Captain don’t has to be Janeway or Archer (With them as captains, I would rent a very fast private-rescue-pod for every trip) and no copy of Kirk, Picard or Sisko (my favorites!). I would like to see a captain who’s origins are not with starfleet and even not earth. Someone who’s intelligent and marvelous enough to command a ship, but with a new and yet unkown style and with an unfamiliar alien perspective on us humans. That’s what could interest me on a new Star Trek show – just for example.
PS: If Fuller really want to create a new show, he should get Manny Coto and Bob Orci and gang on board. This would be my executive-producer, writer and showrunner dreamteam.
I think it would be great. Go back and show a USS Lexington/Bob Wesley series, or a show with a whole different class of ship, a la pre-refit Miranda class. There are so many back stories that could be done. I mean the Enterprise wasn’t the only ship out there forging new ground. They had a FLEET. Let’s see the rest of it. Hell, you could do a Star Trek version of JAG, NCIS or basically anything if you wanted to mix it up and show the Star Trek Universe from a different perspective. As long as they tried to capture the flavor of the world that Gene created they should be free to push the boundries. Star Trek is a great concept. Let’s have fun with it for a change.
A new seried based in the tos timeline would be great and could even co-exist with the movies, which are (I believe) going to be set in an alternate timeline. No conflicts there. But the series would need to stick with TOS sensibilities.
Sure lots of folks loved TNG and the spin-offs, but truth be told, they were NOTHING like TOS. Not in conception, not in exectuion, not in presentation. The spin-offs and Star Trek are as classic a case of “apples” and “oranges” as you can get.
If you take on the 23rd century, it better look and feel like TOS. When I take a big bite of apple pie, I expect to taste apples not oranges, no matter how delicious those oranges may be.
Every incarnation of Star Trek has had its down-side. What bothered me most about VOY (as mentioned by others) was the sterile quality and the political correctness that tended to flow through the series. The crew was comprised of Starfleet and Maquis, who should have been at odds with each other a lot more. The ship should have ran out of something… anything… The crew should have suffered more. They should not have been running into anything related to other incarnations because they were supposed to be LOST. Now, if VOY had been a tiny bit more like LOST, it might have been a little more plausible. But instead it was just TNG again.
With all that said, I really liked the VOY cast, and I thought they worked well together. TNG, DS9 and ENT also had great casts, and I liked the majority of the characters.
I don’t quite know why, but every time there was an episode where some members of the crew were attending a play, or doing ballet, or any other sort of mundane activity, it just smacked of “What sort of business can we give them to make them appear more ordinary, like the rest of us?” And, of course, some of those plot solutions were awful, with all the pulling of technological rabbits out of a hat at the last minute.
If Trek is going to come back to television, it has to be done by someone who really loves Star Trek and has a clear interpretation of Roddenberry’s vision, which was the core of Star Trek. It’s one thing to re-boot, or re-vitalize Trek, but to re-interpret it, or re-invent it is, IMO, wrong… It sounds like Mr. Fuller would be a good choice to make it happen.
He appreciates DS9.
GOOD.
As long as he doesn’t bring back Brage, it should be fine!
I would love to see almost any trek on TV. I will accept it, as I have accepted TNG, DS9, VOY, and ENT.
Saying that, I of course preferred DS9, being the best put together of all the series. DS9 was able to expand the entire star trek universe, make it seem more realistic. TNG, while awesome, somehow seemed smaller than DS9.
When the Borg invaved (full scale borg invasion in first contact, how many ships, one. it was always small. One ship battles.
Now of course, Voy always went way overboard with the borg attacks, Voy being able to take down multiple borg ships by itself.
DS9 always had a balance in the conflicts, and sometimes they lost (when the defiant was
However, when it comes to character moments, DS9 took the cake with Miles and Bashier. Their bonding moments are wonderful (I love my wife,,, I just like you better).
What I’m saying is, I love all trek, while I may have problems with some incarnations, I would gladly accept, and watch, a new show put on the air in any era. (But I still hope for Post Nemisis, to continue the storyline).
I hope that TOS merchandise next year will still have Williams Shatner’s likeness as Kirk and Nimoy’s likeness as Spock. Perhaps the new actors could have a separate tie in series.
That way classic Satar Trek is not disowned in favour of the new version.
I only know Pushing Daisies (don’t like it) and these comments above from the guy. Based on that information I have to say that I wouldn’t want him to do Star Trek TV.
I agree with those who say to keep Trek off TV for the foreseeable future (5 to 10 years). As much as I’d love to be able to sit down to Trek every week, I think it needs a rest.
2 to 3 years between JJ / Orci / Kurtzman films should be good.
Well i dont know with a new movie coming out, and in my opinion f**k all good sci fi on t.v. right now i mean the likes of poplour shows like stargate have ended , i think trying a new star trek show sooner rather then later would be a good idea , but will everybody stop jumping on the 60s bandwagon , o.k. the movie is doing it , so we dont need a new show doing it , do a show about the klingons or even the Romulans something thats will actually be different
I like this guy’s ideas. That is how I had hoped that the TNG series Star Trek relaunch was going to be like in the first place….
I hope he gets the eventual gig!
Bring back Ira Steven Behr or Manny Coto or Ron Moore for a live series.
The idea for an animated series is also good. Make it 1 hour and you can have awesome deep eps, or you can have 2 half hour segments. A cartoon would make it possible to explore different crews and different eras. Make it more like a Star Trek Universe cartoon rather than a cartoon focusing on merely 1 crew.
I’m all for another Trek tv show but I’m not ready to just hand it over to the first guy who says he wants to do it — particularily if he has close connections to VOY. I agree with him that DS9 was the best of the modern takes but I disagree with him on his dismissal of ENT as sterile. That says to me he only saw some of seasons one and two (the Berman/Braga-penned rehash episodes) and none of the really good later stuff. If any alumni come back to work on a new show I say let it be Manny Coto and the Reeves-Stevens’. Otherwise I don’t want to see anyone connected to previous shows involved.
I may be reading too much into what Fuller is saying here but the emphasis on 60s-style ambiance treads dangerously into kitsch territory (which many of us have discussed at length on previous threads) and seems antithetical to what we’ve seen from JJ’s new vision so far.
That being said, I do agree that a show set during the TOS days but not featuring the TOS crew sounds very appealing. I’ve said this many times before: I am done with 24th century utopia and would prefer to revisit the rough-and-tumble frontier days of the 23rd.
Yes, bring back Manny Coto and Ira Steven Behr, they proved worthy to work on another Star Trek series. Ira make the best Star Trek series : Deep Space Nine, and Manny work on the second best Star Trek series: Enterprise.
Only way is to make a post-Nemesis series with strong resemblance to DS9, maybe in Starfleet Headquaters.
And bring back DS9 and Enterprise in form of miniseries/telemovie.
#78. If you were referring to the Borg, the answer is simple. They live in the Delta Quadrant. I am surprised you didn’t know that. As soon as I learned that the Voyager was in the Delta quadrant, I knew it was only a matter of time before they ran into them.
If you take the milk out of the refrigerator, pour yourself a glass and discover that the milk is sour, do you?
a: Pour the milk down the drain, wash the container out so it doesn’t stink up the trash and recycle the container.
b: Place it on the counter to you can remember it and the kids can play with it.
c: Return it to the refrigerator for a few days to see if it tastes better later.
I forget to say in previous post tahat I would like to see Titan series, again with Manny Coto.
I’d like to see him take a shot at a new series as long as it involves the right people. Voyager actually had a great premise but in the hands of Berman and Braga it went nowhere. Yeah I’d love to see Manny Cotto get involved somehow too.
It would be great if Abrams hire Manny Coto on the Star Trek XII.
Voyager is the best
TNG the worst
149. fizzbin – October 23, 2008
“Voyager actually had a great premise but in the hands of Berman and Braga it went nowhere.”
I agree it went nowhere but I disagree that it had a great premise. It was essentially the same premise as Lost In Space, the show Roddenberry’s TOS stood in stark contrast to.
I’ve thought for years about what they could’ve done to make VOY palatable from the begining. Never understood why they set up internal conflict aboard the ship by adding Maquis freedom fighters to the crew — only to virtually resolve or ignore that potential for conflict by the end of the pilot. Sure, there were token nods to the pissy Maquis here and there during the series but Chakotay in particular (as the Maquis figurehead) bowed his head and fell lock-step into Starfleet like he’d never left. After that his character had no credibility and he was given even less to do than Uhura on TOS.
By season 3 the show was a total mess with no dirction often teetering on a fence separating parody and crap.
#151
From best to worst:
1. DS9
2. ENT
3. TNG
4. VOY
5. TOS
Not sure why it matters what century it takes place in. They are all occurring in the future and extend way beyond our current level of technology.
We simply have to decide what works and what doesn’t. What century it occurs in only matters to the continuity and canon crowd — and that does not, in general, have a good track record for attracting large audiences.
What worked for TOS was the episodic, weekly adventure format that did not reference any other episodes, except perhaps a 2 parter maybe. Too much continuance changes the genre of the show from one of adventure and science fiction to one of fantasy.
The lasting power of TOS came from its wonderful characters and well written stories, not from the saga of a soap opera in outer space occurring within a fantasy world complete with fantasy history.
Design some great characters, write some outstanding stories, and give them to a Trek show where they show the weekly voyages of a Starship. The 5 year mission of the Starship should include exploring strange new worlds, seeking out new life and civilzations and boldly going where no man has gone before….
That should work.
One other possibility would be to do a show set inside Starfleet Intelligence. Not a “CSI” or “NCIS” or “JAG” thing, but more “The Man From UNCLE” or “Mission: Impossible”. That way you don’t have to worry about uniforms (much) or ship designs. You can concentrate on the spies.
Just a thought
It’s funny to me that adults would say things like Voyager was the best or another was the worst. You know it’s relative to who you are. I personally thought Deep space 90210 was kinda boring. But this points out that Star Trek is still breathing. I would love to see another series. I also wish they would consult me on the original series, I feel nobody knows it as well as I. But thats just me.:]
What about James Cawleys Phase 2 websodes? They have hit the TOS mark time and time again. With there perfect sets, lighting, visual and special effects along with a great cinematography team not to mention the great cast: see no reason that this could be the next “Star Trek for television!
Doesn’t really matter what the premise is for a new show, all that matters is how well they execute the idea.
When I heard that they were doing a TV show with people on an island after a plane crash, I thought, “Oh brother.” And I never watched that show called “Lost” for any of it’s 4 seasons.
But one day in the library I picked up a copy of the first season on DVD, and now I’m hooked. I’ve watched every episode since and am looking forward to season five.
So again, they can set a Star Trek series during Kirk’s time, 200 years after Picard, as a Section 31 special-forces show, as an animated series, or with a Tribble as the captain of a ship. All that really matters is how well they execute the premise, and how well they tell their stories and develop their characters.
#153—
1.TOS(by a huge margin)
2.ENT(mid 3rd-4th season found its stride, and at least felt frontier-like)
3.DS9(best spinoff characters)
4.TNG(boring)
5.VOY(boring)
As much as I’m a die-hard TOS fan, I would say NEVER EVER to make another Star Trek series. Enterprise was already a major nail in Star Trek’s coffin, destroying what it built in 30-35 years. Now this Abrams travesty will be another pointless insult and if another TV series will be made, well… they never let Star Trek rest in peace as they should. They harmed enough to the legacy of TOS and the franchise in general, but they still don’t know where to stop. I feel sad about this.
#160—”Enterprise was already a major nail in Star Trek’s coffin, destroying what it built in 30-35 years.”
If that were even close to being true, Paramount would not have handed JJ Abrams a $150+million budget to shoot a movie. How can you even begin to draw that conclusion. ENT was cancelled due to poor ratings in 2005. It is now 2008 and we are months away from the debut of the 11th installment in the Star Trek film series, and the 7th featuring the wonderful and iconic TOS-era characters.
“They harmed enough to the legacy of TOS… ”
Even as much as I have disliked the vast majority of Trek spinoff productions, I have never once felt that TOS was “harmed” in any way. Who do you suggest has done harm to the legacy of TOS?
Reading this board, it just strikes me, what a funny group of people we are. :)
154. ByGeorge:
I agree with you. I admit canon has its’ place, but it shouldn’t take precedence over everything else. A new series, and this new movie, are a great opportunity to get back to basics and really show how Trek works at its’ very best.
152. Izbot
Personally, I thought VOY had an interesting premise, but I agree that they kind of copped out on the execution. I never quite believed that the Starfleet and Maquis crews would gel together so quickly. Early on, there should have been more tension between the two groups with at best a tenuous peace, culminating in some crisis that forces them to really put aside their differences and band together. That’s what “Basics, Parts I and II” should have been. Anyway, it’s all 20/20 hindsight, I suppose.
Hate this idea, we don’t need ANOTHER prequel :(
I agree with Anthony at #36 that Fuller did some very good work with Trek and I would like to see what he has in mind as a TV movie.
I agree with Fuller that there was something about TOS that the others never really recaptured. And that the formula needs to be shaken up.
However, I remain convinced the right guy for a new Trek is Manny Coto.
What the NG needed from the beginning was a good shot of old fashioned TOS sensibilities . It was way too bland in the earlier seasons, and only improved after GR was unable to take a direct hand in it, sadly.
#164—-We don’t “need” any of it.
All I know is, if it is set in the sterilized, revisionist Bermanverse, I won’t watch it. I couldn’t stay interested in any of the 24th Century spinoffs, nor did I ever pay a dime to see a TNG-era film at the theater.
Holodecks, technobabble, android pinnochios, ship’s counselors, Klingons in Starfleet, families aboard frontier exploration ships, and children on the bridge do not appeal to me.
I like my Star Trek sexy, action-oriented, and featuring characters I can identify with and root for. That’s TOS-style to me. Bring back the dramatic scoring, the fistfights, the sexuality!
Don’t bore me with technobabble, howling Klingons, self-righteous doctrine, or Captains who recite poetry and drink Earl Grey Tea…
‘howling Klingons’
LOL yeah that did get quite tiresome
but ur forgetting the one thing that elevated TNG over TOS:
SPOT!
168.
CORRECTO!
I prefer miniskirts…
I’ve always been interested in seeing a series set in the Klingon Empire. And I’ve actually toyed with the notion of doing a Klingon film, in Klingon, as if it’s a foreign film. With subtitles.
Think “La Femme Nikita” with forehead ridges.
# 152 I agree it went nowhere but I disagree that it had a great premise. It was essentially the same premise as Lost In Space, the show Roddenberry’s TOS stood in stark contrast to.
I’ve thought for years about what they could’ve done to make VOY palatable from the begining. Never understood why they set up internal conflict aboard the ship by adding Maquis freedom fighters to the crew — only to virtually resolve or ignore that potential for conflict by the end of the pilot. Sure, there were token nods to the pissy Maquis here and there during the series but Chakotay in particular (as the Maquis figurehead) bowed his head and fell lock-step into Starfleet like he’d never left. After that his character had no credibility and he was given even less to do than Uhura on TOS.
By season 3 the show was a total mess with no dirction often teetering on a fence separating parody and crap.
I agree with you 100% as far as the execution of the Voyager plot went. But I don’t think it had to go the Lost in Space route, they knew how to get back to Federation territory just not how to do within their own lifetimes. It would have been far more interesting to have seen them evolve and bend the prime directive in order to survive. It could have been a lot darker and gut wrenching but beating up the Voyager and having to make crude repairs and getting by on bare essentials and what it would do to the crew. The whole series they still had it too plush and easy. There was a lot in the beginning that didn’t add up to me either. The whole Maquee thing didn’t seem to work and it looked like they tried to create some kind of rivalry between Chakoty and Paris at first that went no further than the first episode.
As long as they can figure out the plot and where they want the show to go before they shoot the first episode then maybe it’ll have half a chance. Also if they have an attitude that as Star Trek fans we won’t swallow just anything just because it has the Star trek logo on it. There’s an infinite number of stories out there in the Trek universe but they have to make it believable and consistant.
#153
1.TNG (especially season 3 and after)
2.ENT(”canon” issues aside it had some great stories)
3.DS9(agreed, best characters)
4.TOS(grew up with it but subsequent series had more latitude to explore)
5.VOY(destroyed the Borg as a serious threat)
169 – DATA KILLED SPOT??
No wonder we didnt see spot in FC onwards…guess data mustve finally tired of people asking him why he had cat called ‘Spock’
Shows:
1. TNG
2. DS9
3. VOY
4. TOS
5. ENT
Movies:
1. The Wrath of Khan
2. The Undiscovered Country
3. The Search for Spock
4. Generations
5. The Voyage Home
6. First Contact
7. The Motion Picture
8. Nemesis
9. Insurrection
10. The Final Frontier
Captains:
1. Picard
2. Sisko
3. Archer
4. Janeway
5. Kirk
Ships:
1. Galaxy Class
2. Defiant Class
3. NX class
4. Intrepid Class
5. Constitution Class
174.
You can kill spot yourself by playing “USS Enterprise 2″ or “USS Enterprise” (I forget which one) on Newgrounds.com
Oh, and Spot PWNS!!!
They should NOT let this person make another star trek series. DS9 and Voyager were completely unacceptable low quality and stupid shows. DS9 bored me so much that I couldnt even watch the episodes.. I couldnt even FORCE myself to watch them!
Give the series to someone who REALLY understands what TOS was about.
He must be an absolute TREKKIE and not a TREKER! And he also must be a genius….
Hey I fit that description! :-)
I want to add something here…. The new producer must HATE all new stare trek (TNG Voyager and especially DS9 – I wont even mention enterprise that is an abomination beyond all imagination) and LOVE TOS.
Everything other than the original crew was a disaster…. Im surprised how they managed to take such an exiting and imaginative universe such as the TOS one and make it into boring soap operas with no adventure, real sci-fi scenarios and messages about humanity.
The only spinoff series I liked was ENT (towards the end)…None of them ever managed to capture the quality of characters, the drama, the sexuality, or realize that Star Trek was essentially supposed to be a ‘Western’ that happened to be set in space.
The Enterprise-D was a luxury hotel/family resort with warp engines.
Best characters—TOS
Best stories—TOS
Best score—TOS
Sexiest ST series—TOS
As for the movies:
1.TWOK–gold standard for ST movies
2.TMP–most underrated, and best sci-fi storyline
3.TSFS–good fanboy film
4.TVH–probably the most fun
5.TUC–decent comeback post TFF
6.FC–easily overrated, since it is the only one of its TNG-era brethren to not stink it up altogether…still only mediocre at best
7.TFF–”Shatner’s Great Trek Turd Of ‘89″
8.INS–blah
9.GEN–blah
10.NEM–blah
#178 – “and make it into boring soap operas with no adventure, real sci-fi scenarios and messages about humanity.”
That’s quite an exaggeration if you ask me. I felt they had that in the spin offs too.
#164 – Q – Where did he say he wanted to do a prequel???
I find it interesting that people are so quick to reject Fuller simply because of his connection with VOYAGER.
Using that logic, “Bionic Woman” should have been a smash hit because David Eick was involved.
Ho Ho Closettrekker !!! Regardless of diverse trek tastes here , Abrams is bringing us the next major Episode of Star Trek ! Brian Fuller is optioning for a series that would lock-in most likely with the New Movie . I’m sure JJ would have something to say about that !!
The hardcore trek Fan-Film groups do excellent work – James Cawley from the New Voyages Phase II Group already cover the Original Series .
And there is Hidden Frontier who do absolutely amazing TNG material .
And then there is Of Gods and Men that is very professional Mirror work !!!
And there are some ‘Others’ whose Production Sets are even better than what Paramount produced themselves !!
I somehow doubt star trek will grace TV in a new series any time soon. maybe in 20 years or something, but at this point, it’s pretty worn out, and the last two series were pretty terrible. It’s going to take a lot of convincing to bring it back given it’s lousy track record. Remember, Enterprise was only canceled 3 years ago.
Please Dear God… no. Bryan Fuller has NO business doin Star Trek again.
No more Trek. 700 episodes of name your starship encountering funny looking foreheads should be enough for anyone. If you are jonesing for trek just whip out the dvd’s
Dear God…. LET HIM!!!
Have any of you guys ever heard of CONSTUCTIVE CRITICISM? Instead of putting them down by saying that it sucked. Say what you would have done if you were making it. And if you say you wouldn’t have made it then you aren’t one to talk. Also, where did ENT ever violate Canon? I didn’t see anything that couldn’t be explained. I actually loved Voyager a lot better than DS9. They really had gone where no one had gone before. Met interesting species. I guess people don’t have it in them to see the good things about them anymore. Even the people who hated them have to admit, there were some cool moments.
Can anyone say ROBERT APRIL? First captain of the Enterprise when commissioned in 2245?
#153
1. Voyager ( the best )
2. DS9 ( Dominion wars )
3. Enterprise ( 3 and 4 season )
4. TOS
5. TNG ( The worst, boring )
Movies:
1.The Wrath of Khan
2.Nemesis
3.First Contact
4.The Undiscovered Country
5.Insurrection
6.The Search for Spock
7.The Voyage Home
8.Generations
9.The Motion Picture
10.The Final Frontier
Captains:
1.Janeway
2.Sisko
3.Kirk
4.Archer
5.Picard
Ships:
1.Intrepid class
2.NX-class
3. Defiant class
4. Galaxy class
5.Constitution class
CAPTAIN ROBERT APRIL – 1701A ENTERPRISE !! Ah That Felt Better !!!!
#185 #186
I beg to differ from the 2 CRITICS . I see 1000’s and 1000’s of EPISODES in the FUTURE of STAR TREK . GOING ON and ON , introducing NEW CHARACTERS , NEW INTERACTIONS , NEW SPECIES , NEW TECHNOLOGIES , NEW DRAMAS , NEW DISCOVERIES , NEW EXPLORATIONS , NEW FRIENDS , NONSTOP INTO THE FUTURE !!!!!
Of this would be an AWSOME idea – I hope it comes to pass, an if the movie is a success I believe it shall.
Star Trek got further and further away from…. Star Trek!!! It should be FUN (remember that?!?) and “to boldly go where NO MAN HAS GONE BEFORE” – exploration, not confrontation or bloody alien politics week after week.
Lets show the wonder of the universe again, and some much needed OPTIMISM!!!!!
Much as I enjoyed Star Trek II, it turned Star Trek into a militeristic drama (same as Star Trek VI…), and really introduced violence into the mix that wasn’t needed. A far cry from the optimism of (the best) episodes of the 60s.
Lets dare to be optimistic again with Star Trek – the world needs it!!!
- John
I like to overall message he is sending, but why didn’t do what he is suggesting when he had the chance?
162. Adam Shepherdson –
“Reading this board, it just strikes me, what a funny group of people we are. :)”
I resemble that remark.
172. fizzbin –
“I agree with you 100% as far as the execution of the Voyager plot went. But I don’t think it had to go the Lost in Space route, they knew how to get back to Federation territory just not how to do within their own lifetimes. It would have been far more interesting to have seen them evolve and bend the prime directive in order to survive. It could have been a lot darker and gut wrenching but beating up the Voyager and having to make crude repairs and getting by on bare essentials and what it would do to the crew.”
You realize you are describing Battlestar Galactica!
#178
Whether you liked TNG or not, it’s success isn’t up for debate. You wouldn’t have even had the TOS crew’s fine sendoff in TUC if TNG’s Seasons 3-5 hadn’t been such a critical success. Otherwise, Trek V: The Nightmare Just Won’t Stop would have put the nail in Trek’s cinematic coffin.
Why would Paramount want to risk stinking up a revived film series with a new TV show? They’ll want to solidify the revived Trek with at least one more Kirk/Spock/McCoy film before anything else is considered.
The best thing they can do between films is get some spin-off novels out there, set in Universe-2, with the new cast’s faces on them, some comicbooks and maybe a cartoon series (as different media, their ‘canonicity’ can be kept fluid) all overseen by Abrams and his Supreme Court.
Shows:
1. ENT (Season 3 + 4)
2. DSN (Season 2 – 7)
3. TOS (all three seasons)
4. TNG (all seven seasons)
5. VOY (Season 4 – 7)
6. DSN (Season 1)
7. VOY (Season 1 – 3)
8. ENT (Season 1 + 2)
Movies:
1. First Contact (The very best ST movie so far)
2. The Wrath of Khan (great! The far best enemy to date in ST!)
3. The Undiscoverd County (very intelligent and much suspense)
4. The Voyage Home (funny and entertaining)
5. The Search For Spock (entertaining. Excelsior!)
6. Insurrection (nice story, but has some flaws)
7. The Motion Picture (boring)
8. The Final Frontier (crazy and cheesy)
9. Generations (They’ve killed Kirk!)
10. Nemesis (boring, lame story, awful SFX, no Trek feeling)
Captains:
1. Kirk (my man!)
2. Picard (let’s have a tea and a nice discussion!)
3. Sisko (a genius, but a bit mad)
4. Archer (Please back to the command training!)
5. Janeway (Abandon ship! Man your escape pods!)
Ships:
1. Sovereign-Class (a real beauty)
2. Constitution-Class refit (also a beauty)
3. Excelsior-Class refit (or Mk. II) (galactic speedboat)
4. Excelsior-Class (a speedboat too)
5. Constitution-Class TOS (a real classic ship!)
6. Galaxy-Class (very organic, but a bit clumsy)
7. Intrepid-Class (awful!)
8. NX-01 Enterprise (man, what an awful hulk!)
Neato. When can I watch?
I agree with him about DS9. After TOS, the characters on that show seemed the closest to being truly, snarkily human.
I do like Next Gen, though. I won’t bash it. It was just a different sort of animal.
#197. CaptainRickover, dude, you’ve put a lot of thought into this! I disagree with everything in your post except your ranking of captains. But I admire and respect your seriousness of purpose!
192:
“Much as I enjoyed Star Trek II, it turned Star Trek into a militeristic drama (same as Star Trek VI…), and really introduced violence into the mix that wasn’t needed. A far cry from the optimism of (the best) episodes of the 60s.
Lets dare to be optimistic again with Star Trek – the world needs it!!!
- John”
Let’s remember that TOS (more than any other iteration, I think) was a grat platform for social commentary, so the movies – especially TUC – were relavent to the times. TUC was a reflection of the ending of our own Cold War, and TVH addressed certain environmental concerns.
Optimism was a part of it, sure, but it was always about self-examination. That’s what the other shows missed.
#192
“Star Trek got further and further away from…. Star Trek!!! It should be FUN ”
I think this is the key. After TOS they seemed to get caught up in making it seem more realistic to a military setting instead of just having fun with it. They started to to take Trek too seriously.
Sure, a professional captain would never womanize like Kirk did, very unrealistic. but it was fun. Yep, the ladies skirts were to short, and the characters were all nice-looking, not realistic, but it was fun. Lots of videos on Youtube which show all the boozing they did in TOS, not realistic but it was fun. Look at all the fist fights, interactions that border on insubordination, and unprofessional behavior. None of this could be taken as a model for what we would expect to find in a military setting for the 23rd century, but it was fun to watch.
The writers weren’t hung up on canon and violated it if it produced a good story. They didn’t see themselves as “prophets” or “visionaries” who were supposed to “spread the vision”, or the show as having a purpose other than great entertainment. In general, they didn’t take Trek so seriously in the TOS era. They also varied they style a lot. They went from a cerebral show one week to a tragedy the next, to a comedy the following week. Kept an element of surprise in the series. And new Trek series should be FUN.
I agree with what he said, except that Voyager is the best. I think he needs to combine the style of TOS and VOY.
So, I’ve made my opinions known on this board. And I started to feel a little bad about casting aspersions at a successful and enthusiastic writer. So I Tivo’d a few VOY episodes and watched them last night to see if I’d been rash in my judgment.
I was not mistaken. VOYAGER is a full cheese core breach. From the opening credits that put you to sleep to Janeway’s hair and the cast of forgettable characters I kept listing up things to hate: ugly, weak ship; AI doctor that’s more human than Spock, a Black Vulcan with no discernable characterization. Just awful.
In retrospect, I like ENTERPRISE better than VOYAGER. At least I can mute the country music in the opening credits.
Never hated DS9, just didn’t care all that much.
Between VOY and ENT, I am reminded that what killed Star Trek the second time was the exact opposite of what killed it the first time. In 1969, the show was too ahead of its time and had a surfeit of hipness and vision. The expiration of VOY and death of ENT are directly attributable to the lack of boundary-pushing, hip vision. Basically, it wasn’t cool.
And, as a geek who mouth-breathed his way out of the swamp and evolved in to a successful cool guy who is not afraid to discuss Trek in open company…
I always felt that the Borg hottie and the Vulcan hottie were condescending.
The coolest female characters in modern Trek was Tasha Yar by far. She was self-possessed, a little messed-up, believably tough and [having taken advantage of Data] a credibly sexual being. Her death scene, for all of its soundstage campiness and mid-strike cheapness, has more emotional resonance than Kirk’s ignominious death scene.
Captain Janeway was written for nerds, but Star Trek is for geeks. Let’s get that straight.
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194.
“You realize you are describing Battlestar Galactica!”
That’s probably not a coincidence on Moore’s part : P
I hope Fuller’s show would be open to submissions…
VOY suffered from the “we do not have sexual organs” problem which plagues late-era Trek. They brought in super-hot Seven, and she hung out with a hologram instead of exploring her, ahem, body and sexuality.
And who was coming to visit Janeway every night for a snog? Nobody. And don’t say Chakotay (yawn).
Tuvok had promise, but as someone wrote here, he had no development. Stayed static.
Fuller knows what he’s talking about. But as many here say constantly, I think we should go post-TNG era.
#206—”I think we should go post-TNG era.”
You can count me out of the viewing audience on that one.
# 206
Post-TNG.
I agree, but the characters should be more like TOS or DSN. Let them life, make them realy individual, give them advantages, give them flaws, make them interesting, let them be sexy. The same goes for the universe itself. New strange worlds, interesting and unique aliens, some dangerous, some friendly. And create a fast, betauiful ship, with up-to-date technology.
# 207 Closettrekker
I know you’re a absolute TOS-fan, but perhaps you’ll miss a really good show – if there will be a show like that.
AJ , CT and Rickover , back to 60’s TOS – Uhura was the star trek doll – a beautiful dark officer in a sexy dress . And in Voyager you had Seven and Janeway – it seems this is always a problem with the star trek producers .
And I think it was the same in DS9 with with Kira , Jadzia and Ezri . The sensuality is hinted at . I think there is the producers fear of the show being labelled Sexist !!
#209 I suppose we will have to try and convince Bryan to do a post-Voyager Series ? The series could be called Star Trek “Delta X” with former borg soldier , 7 of 9 , as Captain on the new “USS Thruster” returning to her home quadrant . In a memorable scene , we see seven standing before a mirror fully unclothed , reflectiing on her sensuality , contemplating whether her male officers find her attractive and practicing her command presence !
Of course , anyone who goes to star trek forums , also knows how some of the girls regard Chakotay , Tuvok , Paris and the Doctor . It is said there is more activity in the night than forum chat !!
I’m tired of these Trek writers wanting to reboot everything and start all over again. The fact is if you don’t have any ideas for Star Trek in the 25th century then you don’t deserve to create the new series. Or even have lunch with the person creating it just in case your lack of imagination should in some way taint them.
The idea that RDM put out about continuity to become too restrictive when you actually sit down and consider how different the universe was going to become when we left it at ‘What You Leave Behind’, ‘Endgame’ and ‘Nemesis’.
Cardassia will still be in full recovery mode, their entire system of government could have changed, their entire society could have changed and Garak’s the only one still alive. You could reinvent Cardassians.
Bajor will be booming in the Federation, it’ll be like the 1960’s after WW2 with all the young people partying and Captain Kira the only one still going to Church. You could reinvent Bajorans.
There is that extraordinary Romulan/Vulcan Unification story to sort out or develop. How could this come about? What has Spock been doing for the past 20 years? What could be the result of a unification? You could explore this.
The Borg have to recover from Voyager kicking their ass. They may realise they have to get faster and carry guns etc etc etc. What a great joke that would be if we encounter the Borg and the away team said ‘Don’t worry they’ll ignore us until they consider us a threat’ and then just shoot at them as soon as take a step nearer. You could easily reinvent the Borg.
Section 31 now with post 9/11 resonance waiting to be exploited. The Klingons after Martok could be a much different proposition. O’Brien could give us a cameo in Starfleet academy!
And that’s just the old stuff. Hell, that’s just some of the old stuff. There’s some much the right person could bring to Trek and bring us new races, technologies and crises.
None of what I just detailed requires that much back story – ‘Cardassia had a bad war’, ‘The Borg had a time of it’, ‘Martok was a nice bloke’, ‘Miles O’Brien was my teacher’ etc etc etc.
So thanks Bryan Fuller, but absolutely 100% no thanks. Also, Pushing Daisies is insufferable tripe.
AD , we hear what you’re saying ! you have said a lot of interesting points in the timeline ! I don’t agree with it all , but I like what you’re saying ! I agree on DS9 , the bajoran boomtime and kira out of place (soldier who yearns for peace) . And in Cardassia , Garak is their unknown leader and saviour . I don’t agree with the romulan/vulcan union , but believe spock will establish a major unity movement then leave for home . Yes , on the reinvention of the borg ! And the return of S31 and O’Brien pushed into joining them . And a lot more I should say ! Here’s to what was and what possibly could be !!!!
Just heard that show “PUSHING DAISIES” is getting shit canned!
James from Spain
First of all I would like to say: I live in Spain and I have not seen all the episodes of Star Trek because they don`t air here, but I`ve downloaded them all and in the process of watching them. I have seen the movies though.
–} Star Trek will live forever.
Or so I hope.
I also hope that new Star Trek shows and movies come out.
I hear some people saying one show is better then another. Tough
I like them all, some more some less. But all that Star Trek means to me I find, so I`m happy and can`t wait for more.
Also, I would like to say that I agree with the trekkers and trekkies that say you have to be understanding and not just be critical. Make constructive comments and maybe we will get a Star Trek series that we all like.
Shows:
1. TOS (Original says it all)
2. ENT (Last 2 season Action packed)
3. TNG (Many intresting stories)
4. DS9 (Different and nice Battles)
5. VOY (Where No Man Has Gone Before)
Movies:
1. The Voyage Home (I love Time Travel,Funny)
2. The Wrath of Khan (Best Enemy)
3. First Contact (Time Travel again)
4. The Undiscovered Country (Klingons, gotta love`m)
5. The Search for Spock (He Lives)
6. Generations (The begining of the new, death of the old)
7. The Final Frontier (God can be Evil)
8. The Motion Picture (Saved by the story)
9. Insurrection (Worf with a Zit, haha)
10. Nemesis (Unification save)
Captains:
1. Kirk (Best Captain EVEr)
2. Archer (Has to make many sacrifices to save Earth)
3. Sisko (Crazy Badass)
4. Picard (Captain Moby Dick)
5. Janeway (Crappy Captain, no offense to the actor, just bad scripts)
Here is my answer to all star trek tv show ideas. I have been on many sites and seen many ideas for new trek shows. I have seen ideas from a new animated series set like 300 yrs in the future or something, to this one here, to others. What we do not need is to jump yrs or centuries. We are fine where we are at in the timeline. I mean I’m not throwing out the idea of going into the future, but it doesn’t need to be done. We have plenty of ideas that can be expanded on. What I do not like is everyone talking about going into the past and doing more ideas between tos and tng. I think we have over hashed all of these topics. I mean between the five series there does not seem to be much left to explore or tell about what happened in these time periods.
What we need to do is explore these ideas.
1. With all that ds9 left us with the dominion war and all there is a lot that can be done. Plus with Voyager exploring the delta quadrant…we’ve now seen 3 outta the four quadrants in depth. We have not seen to much of the Gama quadrant from ds9.
2. Also in the original series we seen a lot more unique aliens. We say green lizard types and other things. Same thing like on Ds9 you see more unique aliens. What I don’t like is that they are making the aliens look more human like all the time. We need to get away from this and make some more unique looking alien races, etc…
3. Voyager set a crippling blow to t he borg. I know the borg have been hashed to death lately, but there is a lot that can be done on this now. They can even bring that 8572 alien or whatever they were called back and do some stuff with that and the borg.
4. Voyager discovered a shit load of aliens in the delta quadrant and some of them with far superior technology than our own. You could have some of them make there way from the delta quadrant towards earth.
5. Technology from Voyager…There was so much voyager seen and learned and used that they could implement this stuff into starfleet by now.
What I am proposing is this: you could do a show maybe set 5-10 yrs into the future. Janeway is still an admiral. Starfleet has finally gone over all the data and records from the Voyager ship itself. they have implemented a lot of the technology from the delta quadrant. the new ships are faster and better powered. they also use a star base in the new series, but also explore the galaxies. This could be a dual concept show. Where they episodes on both cause you’d want to see they have created this new type starbase or something like ds9 space station and how they implement newer technologies. then you could also see the star ship they use exploring the galaxy as well. you could also talk about the issues I mentioned above. also something can be addressed about the federation romulan treaty that was in works last time we saw tng movie.
Why did babylon 5 do so well? They had better story ideas and writters. Star trek needs to learn from this and add to their universe in this manor.
Maybe I’m all wrong here, but a new inovative series with fresh ideas can work. Not keep rehashing old ideas. Bring in new aliens and races. New planets. Actually show planets or races being accepted into the federation or alliance. actually show a big treaty or alliance being formed. I mean The Kilngon peace treaty could have been great to have been seen being signed. stuff like that.
please comment
Instead of all this bickering, I would suggest they do a set of miniseries not more than 3- 5 episodes long. The mini series would all cover different parts of Star Trek and different times too. From the feed back and ratings they can consider making a series on the most popular
Not all so long ago, someone close to Mr. Fuller requested I repost an original bridge I developed in the closing days of ENTERPRISE … just the pictures … they hated the never-finished script. So I did repost those pictures here … http://www.endlesswonder.com/FairyTaleP1.html
I am making a serious request of Mr. Fuller and anyone else interested in closing the gap between the Star Trek: Enterprise and Star Trek: TOS years … just … don’t.
What we want to see in Star Trek so far as a new series is something that takes the franchise into the 27th Century … where a ship doesn’t need to activate Warp Drive to go from planet to planet but rather has the capability to instantly self-transport oneself from star to star. In short, use some imagination and save the engine propulsion stack for what is needed to get across much further distances outside of self-transporter range. Go from the Covered Wagon of Star Trek the Sci-Fi Western to the Hip-Hop new version that looks so futuristic that it is truly worthy of the kind of original thinking that love him or hate him (and on most days I hate humanistic secular thoughts like his) Gene Roddenberry was famous for … although it is rude to end a sentence with a preposition, or a proposition.
If you want to rewrite Star Trek, then earn a commendation for original thinking.
If you want to rewrite Star Trek, then go out to get a good roadmap of the existing Universe … my favorite is this Professor – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Pasachoff – Jay Pasachoff – a good friend and a scientific advisor to my own projects. See that the Galaxy is a mere 100,000 light years across while the Universe is 13,000,000,000 light years across and expanding. Make the new “Warp Drive” invention for the new Star Trek show the “pushing of the envelope” from the same old same o we’ve been seeing as a Ground Hog Day technologically for … well … 1964 when Roddenberry first came up with this idea.
Instead of going “star to star,” go “galaxy to galaxy …” after all there are an estimated billion or so galaxies to be discovered out there, and whatever can be found of heaven and hell beyond the space and time beyond that.
Get Star Trek back into the business of being about “Space … a Final Frontier,” and not just “Been there done that.”
Being an avid Trek fan from the 60s, I am always looking forward to a new Trek series, or movie. Except for DS-9, though, none have quite lived up to the original. In this day and age, with the likes of such shows as Heroes, Lost and Battlestar Galactica out there, the time is ripe for a new Trek series that should bring the essence of the original combined with the grittiness and mystery of newer sci-fi series. Such a show could revitalise the franchise and lead to a string of new series and movies. This is the future, and there is an endless story to be told around it. Lets get the stories going again, and keep them going, just as long as they are trully good stories.
Of all the Star Trek shows, only the Original and Next Generation are my favorites. Deep Space Nine & Voyager I can take or leave. Didn’t care too much about Enterprise, though. I was thinking that since i read that Bryan Fuller wanted to do a new Star Trek TV show, maybe he can do one about Christopher Pike’s tenure as Captain before Kirk. That is as close to the original that you can get.
Forget the “Old School” Star Trek. The 60s are gone and weren’t what they used to be anyway. Mr. Spock was na Uncle Tom Tom alien. T’Pring gave him what he deserved. LOL
I have an idea for a new show. Have people from the Mirror Universe of DS9 steal about 4 Federation ships. But one ship explodes during the transition so the other ships CANNOT get back. So the crews of the surviving ships try to survive in the parallel universe with no Federation and can’t come back. So the entire politics of that area of the galaxy is different and no one to enforce a Prime Directive so a whole storyline is possible without having to conform to so much Star Trek tradition.
i feel like im taking crazy pills.
DS9 was one of the worst acted shows ive ever seen in my life. i mean these actors were just absolutely horrible. the whole POINT of star trek is space exploration and so they make a show on a static base that doesnt go anywhere. i mean.. REALLY?
Voyager (s4 – s7) was AMAZING. now jeri ryan knows how to ACT! not to mention voyager got the point of star trek.. EXPLORATION.
i still cant believe ds9 got 7 seasons.
“Forget the “Old School” Star Trek. The 60s are gone and weren’t what they used to be anyway”
agreed.
If you do Star Trek in any form again there are elements to watch carefully.
Get the science right. Take into account the reality of energy and mass when moving spacecraft and other things. Have some realistic scientific rules that make the stories a true challenge for the characters.
Keep the characters consistent and have a framework for the character’s life to hang details upon.
how can you guys hate voyager so much? I liked the humorous hologram doctor, I liked nelix, I liked the paris character, I liked choctoy, they should have explored him more. didn’t like janeway so much, too much like a corporate boss, liked torres, and, the show was worth watching solely for seven of 9’s amazing outfits that showed off her amazing anatomy.. she alone is worth tuning in! and enterprise, in my opinion, was just begining to get better, as it was being cancelled. I think, as a long time S.T. watcher from the 60’s, that this guy is exactly right in what he wants to do. TOS did have passion, an intensity that the later shows sorely lacked. and he is exactly right about the colors. he doesn’t mean bringing back the old campy pajama uniforms, it’s not about that, it’s about getting away from this grey, dark blue/grey, boring colors that do seem so cold. TNG in it’s beggining, if you go back and watch them, are bursting with colors compared to say enterprise. and, for god’s sake, bring back the miniskirts! women can still be powerfull and liberated and all that stuff, but they can still be sexy too! I want legs! more legs! now that I think about it, that’s all star trek needs, more legs, more colors, more humour. no really they do need INTERESTING characters, and the perfect actors to pull it off. and of course, some cerebral scripts like lost, that keep you interested, without being too cerebral to be boring for most people. it’s a tall order, but I say give this guy a chance. quit being so negative people, jeez.
DS9 started out great, then got way way way too convoluted(sorry about my spelling) with the long boring story arc of the dominion, etc. it turned what was a promising show into something like a long boring wagnerian opera. toward the end I couldn’t stand to even watch it. I heard the the great gal who played ensign roe was set to be the bjoran character, but she opted out. I would have loved to see michele forbes on that show every week. she was just great. sisko kinda bored me, but quark was great, anyway it’s my least favorite of all of them. my rankings:
TOS
TNG
voyager
enterprise/DS9 tied for last
and, enough of the movies, star trek should be a tv show, not a big bloated movie. I often think how great it would have been, had TNG gone on to do another 5 years or so, they were really going great, in their prime, when the stopped that series to do the movies. take inserection for instance, that would have been a nice two parter for the tv show. it simply didn’t deserve the movie treatment. watching it I just kept thinking ok, this is fun,this is good, but it’s no better than a single episode of the show on tv. star trek should be on tv. don’t do more movies unless you can come up with the script of a lifetime
DS9 was my favourite. To be honest, I’d just like to see another series, but it MUST be better than Enterprise. Somewhere between TNG and DS9 would be great.
{{{ Voyager (s4 – s7) was AMAZING. now jeri ryan knows how to ACT! not to mention voyager got the point of star trek.. EXPLORATION. }}}
I will agree that Jeri Ryan did a great job with the Borg role but if she made all of the difference in Voyager to you then I don’t think her acting was your primary concern.
I figure you had some other problem with DS9 than acting.
Yep, it was DS9 for me as well. Some of the “funny” episodes-’Little Green Men’ for one grate a little bit, but, on the whole, I found it the most enjoyable of the lot, the story arc, when looked at as a whole, went from episode 1, season 1 to the very end. It lost a little bit when Jadzia left, though I loved the way they made her murder swift and senseless-no heroic or long winded death-and Ezri’s character was weak, but thats just nit picking…
I am hoping that the powers that be resist the temptation to keep on going back to the Kirk and Spock era, they’re like children repeatedly going back to the sweet cupboard for more of the same, the problem is, you keep on going back, you get sick of it. The legacy of TOS is there for all, but can we let it lie now, please?
As far as another series goes, didn’t there used to be talk of a possibility being “Star Trek: Starfleet Academy” (or similar) -well, providing it didn’t end up being like a 25th Century “Beverley Hills 91250″, I think that could work-the chance to develop characters especially, either cadets or tutors, or regular Starfleet. I guess there would be, as I have hinted, a chance it could get a bit “soap”, but there are definite strands within that concept.
The other could be a series following up from the war with the Dominion, you assume that the Federation and Starfleet are suffering, personnel wise, loyalities might be divided, there may be a threat from outside still, for example, the Breen, a race who I think could be explored a bit more. It would lend itself to a Starfleet/Federation coming out of a war-with all the associated problems, and how to face issues and possible threats when the answer is not neccessarily at the touch of a panel or the dispatching of a Starship…?
And fans wonder why ST trek is losing it’s popularity!!!! So much negativity!!!!
A prequel in the terms of Ent was a mistake and a sequel would have been much better. However, saying that introducing to many species can be detrimental to a series like Voy.
I believe a series 100 years after Tng-ds9-voy era would allow a retro fit to our technology which surpasses star trek technology eg. Touch screens and simulation animations. Romulans and borg haven’t been used to death and a very close special UFP charter for the Klingons as close allies to the extent of Bajor and ufp like relations would freshen up the series with war and exploration into common yet unscathed cultures.
My fave series and repectable captains go as follows:
1. TNG: patrick Stewart steals the show and plays a captivating captain who is calm yet violently aggressive. Tng stays true to star trek exploration and war
2. VOY: Janeway is strong when a normal person would collapse and Voyager is a series which spews imagination.
3.DS9: Sisko knows what is right and wrong and will put federation law aside for the betterment of people, his character is storgly played. Ds9 delves deeply into the characters.
4. ENT: Archer is much like Mulgrew’s Janeway who resorts to stronger tactics to save the ones they love. Enterprise as a series in retro fitting sense is hindered by the unadvanced TOS. Many elements of both TOS and ENT are surpassed by today’s standards.
5. TOS: truely the worse. Kirk is not someone I would entrust my life with, Shatner plays a better crazy lawyer in Boston Legal. TOS detriments the rest of the series with it’s lack of technological foresight. For the most part it gets it worng but things like Uhuru’s ear piece is defintely not from the future. However in the context of the 1960s it is amazing. But takes away from the rest of star trek.
Remember star trek needs people to be positive if u want it to live long and prosper!!!
How about a series set in the mirror universe?
that’s just like a series set on a cargo ship that is chased by the Klingons or tholians or Borg. Instead it would be a series about a run down Terran ship chased by the klingon cardassia bajor alliance
I haven’t read all the 231 posts here so I hope I wont repeat anything that has already been said.
One thing that JJ said about the new movie is that he wants to bring Star Trek back to life. The movie is supposed to attract the old fans but at the same time bring in new fans.
Once that is done maybe a year after the movie I think a new TV series would be great.
Although I would love to see a series that’s between the times of TOS and ENTERPRISE that shows how the UFP was created, the first aliens that joined it. How and why the Prime directive came to live some fights with Klingons and the Romulan war.
One major problem with this is that they have to pay a lot of attention as to how the past was told in TOS, TNG, DS9 and VOY and not mess them up. The other problem is the technology. Its not easy to show technology being less advanced then TOS while filming in the 21st century.
On the other hand a series about 20 – 50 years after DS9 wont be bad either. How the Cardies recover from the dominion war, the Borg attacking the dominion and making them ask UFP for help. A new alliance between UFP and the Romulans. New technology like transwarp conduits or the further experiments based on Tom Paris’ Warp 10 flight. But technology should be a secondary thing. Story and character should be priority so it can attract new fans and keep the old ones happy.
I also think Fuller would do great especially if he is a fan. Fans will pay attention to details. Others will just make the series just for the money.
VOY is not one of my favourites but I heard from a lot of people who grew up with TOS that they liked VOY since it had a similar feel and humour. Since I’m not a great fan from TOS I cant do that comparison myself.
I also think ENTERPRISE could have made it with 7 seasons if they gave it a chance with season 5 and gave them the same airing time as TNG and the others. With all STAR TREK Series I find the 1st 2-3 seasons aren’t that good since the characters are trying to find themselves.
I’m all supportive for a new TV series as long as its good and they don’t mess up the technology and the time line. (And please no time travel).
What I don’t like about the new movie, is that’s it’s in the past. Star Trek is all about the future, going forward.
Orci or whoever it was, talked about the later Star Treks having been told enough, so we’re going back to when it started. Yeah, I guess he’s talking about TNG and the TNG movies. maybe it’s just me but Star Trek have never been about characters, – it has been about the universe that they show us, in star trek, and my whole view of Star Trek is perfectly explained in the intro. Characters come secondary.
I’ve just watched through all TNG episodes (never did watch every one of them), and I am well into DS9 now. I love how it actually moves forward, like how they got new uniforms in season 5 on DS9, stuff changes. They get the Defiant (never thought they would be able to keep it for more than 2 episodes).
I think they should have made one that is after everything that has been shows so far, that way they could have it way easier of not screwing up storywise and it would be in the -future-. And it’s not based on anything we’ve seen before timewise, like he argued was bad, but yet makes.
I remember one of the episodes from TNG, when a dude came from the future, and the ship looked so cool.. and then it was gone. :(
From what have read so far i thinks its all agreed that the next movie should be about the Klingons & the Klingon Empire and there rise to power in he galaxy. Alot of what i read leads me to believe most here would be happy with all blood & guts type .
But if you open your mind like most trekkers, every movie, every episode, every new species, every re-run was still very much Star Trek and and still held very high ratings. Or there would be no more Star Trek FOREVER!!!!
You seem to think that this can go on forever, but take it from someone in the film industry….(I played on 1 episode of tng 3rd season and one 2nd season of dsn.) No Ratings No Show, No Movie,,,, The End………or is it?
As long as there are fans and dvds there will always be Star Trek somewhere in the Galaxy…………………
i am a deep blue trekkie and i would suport a new star trek that deals tos, i grew up on tos and tng, loved ds9 and voyager too, at first was totaly againts enterpise, thought that they where tring to replace captain kirk and spock and them but i just recently watched a few and now have the complet series it was good tol, i think we need a new star trek to keep rods dream alive and besides i love star trek too, i wish to keep seeing new series and movies the 2009 movie looks to be so good that i cant stand it, thumbs up to making a new series and god bless man…..
PLEASE!!! NOT THE SIXTIES!!! I would love a new Star Trek series, but not one based on the sixties. TOS was great way back then. And I still get a kick out of watching re-reruns. But I lived through the sixties, and didn’t enjoy some of the futuristic show’s ideas of how to handle certain prejudices. Come on! Women are treated equally while wearing mini-skirts? Right. My brains have always been located just three inches above my knees. And that episode (it was so bad that I cannot remember what it was called) but a group of youngsters who are ‘looking for themselves”, and Utopia among other things appear as a super-future rock band. Puhleese! How Sixties can you get?! Oh, yeah! And another thing a new episode needs is a Vulcan/robot/holo-figure trying to attain human/sentient status. So what’s coming up? An ape like creature ’shaving’ his fur to make him look human? A dolphin walking on its fins to appear ‘man-like’?
I rather liked the original intro theme….going where no man has gone before. So…let’s do it. No copies, please. A talented writer with a creative mind can take us out there – again – and start us on that road all over again.
Oh. One last thing….If the new epi happens in the past…please, no aliens that we don’t already know about. No time travel for the current crew. Maybe visitors from the future… but not so much. And don’t dwell so much on famous past figures that have gone ahead…like the super army guy that Kirk had to deal with once in a show, and again in a movie. (Sorry. Not my fave character/bad guy); or the guy who created Data from TNG. And please don’t dwell so much on aline/human conflicts. Concentrate on situation type story lines. Building space labs, racing asteroids, moon walks, strange artifacts found floating in space, and establishing early colonies on new planets. Oh, well. Just my personal wants and not wanteds. Still looking forward to a new Star Trek.
I would love to see what happend after voyager left the delta quadrent. what all new alien race could they have attracted to them, and what would happen if that race found them. I would also love to see what happend to the technology the future Captain gave them. when voyager went off the air, it left a huge gap in the future of star trek , and a blank slate for the writer. in my mind its a perfect start.
While i would enjoy another tv series, it shouldn’t
be a rehash of the same
material (i.e. a kahn movie, been there done that, don’t waste my time),
but some of the major events should be refered to…….
i think a new tv series would be great especially for the new fans who have recently seen the film. But i do think keeping away from the original storylines are important so making a series which is set after all the other star trek series would be wise and maybe intrducing a new enterprise, new warp capabilities and a few new species on deck etc. it would bring back old fans and create new ones aswell.
A new Star Trek tv series is great but it has to be something new and never before don’t like all the others and this time it should include civialions like a coloney different when incountering new life out there some old alleins and new alliens Why not use the Enterprise ship that looks like the Vulcan ship with a few starfllet cew in it but the stars should be the civialion after all this should take place just shortly after warp drive just come to use
I know my spelling sucks no one is perfect