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New Version Of Star Trek Trailer – Now with three FOUR Spocks November 25, 2008

by TrekMovie.com Staff , Filed under: Star Trek (2009 film) , trackback

One of the big missing pieces from the Star Trek movie trailer released last week was Spock. Of course Zachary Quinto appears as young adult Spock (and Jacob Kogan as kid Spock), but what about SPOCK (as in Leonard Nimoy). In the TrekMovie comments co-writer Roberto Orci has been dropping hints that a new Nimoy-iffic trailer was on the way, and today it has arrived, check it out below.

 

Spocks!
Now this isn’t a new trailer, but it does drop Nimoy Spock into the one we have already seen. The trailer was given as an exclusive to AICN, and is available in 3 QuickTime resolutions. Click the image below to check it out.


Click to see the new Trek trailer in HD, Triple Spockfied

UPDATE: According to Paramount, this is an online only trailer.
And there is no new footage except for the shot of Nimoy at the end. This was done by taking the Nero ‘the wait is over’ shot and moving it earlier replacing a shot of Chekov.

 

 

If you are not QuickTime friendly it is also available (in lower res) via YouTube
(thanks jtrekker)

What is this scene?

[SPOILERS]

This specific shot of Spock saying ‘live long and prosper’ was part of the four scene presentation that JJ Abrams has been showing around the world (see TrekMovie detailed report from LA). This is from a scene where older Spock (Nimoy) has met up with Kirk on a frozen planet after he has been ejected off the Enterprise by younger Spock (Zachary Quinto). Spock and Kirk visit Scotty (where Kirk meets him for the first time) to seek his help beaming Kirk back to the USS Enterprise. Just before Scotty and Kirk beam back to the Enterprise, Spock gives Kirk the ‘live long and prosper’ Vulcan salute.

For more on the original trailer see the full TrekMovie Analysis.

[END SPOILERS]

 

UPDATE 2: There are FOUR Spocks!
Star Trek co-writer has nitpicked TrekMovie (which is some kind of honor) by asking the question below "are you sure you only see three Spocks?". And indeed we are now sure we actually see four Spocks. Here are the other three Spocks.


Infant Spock held by Amanda (Winona Ryder)


Child Spock (Jacob Kogan)



Young adult Spock (Zachary Quinto) – seen before and after entering Starfleet

 

 

Comments

1. doubleofive - November 25, 2008

Wha? The awesome trailer PLUS Nimoy? It’s like everything I ever wanted!

2. Gus Weber - November 25, 2008

OH MY GODDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD, thank you for the link, this is awsome, thank you thank you thank you!!!

Long Live JJ, this is going to be great.

Gus

3. shaun mcilroy - November 25, 2008

Downloading it now!

Fanboys ASSEMBLE!!!!

4. mark - November 25, 2008

with each new frame of this movie i get more and more excited

and also it seems that paramount is continuing is promo game

5. Big Swid - November 25, 2008

Simply awesome!

6. shane s. - November 25, 2008

Awesom shot of Spock, and I am not even going to say first.

7. ety3 - November 25, 2008

OK. I got teary-eyed.

Who else?

8. Chingatchkook - November 25, 2008

Somehow it looks more ‘complete’ with Mr. Nimoy there.

9. Wes - November 25, 2008

Spock dressed in Rura Pente Garb! Or Zephram Cochran outfit

10. st-midway - November 25, 2008

AHHH! This made my day! I love it!

11. Closettrekker - November 25, 2008

#7—-Not quite, but I can see it happening in the movie theater…

12. Daniel Broadway - November 25, 2008

Fantastic.

13. Raphael Salgado aka BeyondtheTech - November 25, 2008

or in Spies Like Us (according to the comment thread in AICN). LOL.

If we can get the other 172,800 frames (give or take a few thousand), we’ll be all set.

14. Shatner_Fan_Prime - November 25, 2008

#11 … If I see a grown man being escorted out crying, I’ll know who it is!

15. Dab - November 25, 2008

Gotta love it!

16. star trackie - November 25, 2008

How do you make an already incredible trailer even more incredible?

With a cup full of 1080p and a dash of Nimoy, that’s how!

To quote the great one…how sweeeet is is!!

Big thanks to JJ and the powers at the studio for this holiday treat!

17. Section 31 - November 25, 2008

Why does Spock look sick?

18. trp - November 25, 2008

I’m lovin it!

19. Arthur Simone - BRASIL - November 25, 2008

MAYBE, he was at the Frozen Planet (I once read somewhere that he’ll be there in moment of the movie)…

20. DJthorn - November 25, 2008

Wow, he looks just like an older Zac Quinto. LOL

21. sean - November 25, 2008

It made me teary! I’ll not lie!

22. Beck - November 25, 2008

Seeing Nimoy himself utter that famous line again makes me RIDICULOUSLY happy.

23. Jtrekker - November 25, 2008

Here’s a YouTube version if you’re having trouble with the QuickTime files:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puXPozd-kuc

24. trekkie1701D - November 25, 2008

Wow, I love it! I think the “The Wait is Over” part seems a little forced now, it probably should have come in a little later in the trailer, but it’s still GREAT!

25. krikzil - November 25, 2008

Nimoy/Spock, finally! Wonderful.

26. AdamTrek - November 25, 2008

Oooooooooooooooooo…..

PETA’s gonna hate Elder-Spock.

But they’ll like young-Spock. He’s wearing synthetics.

27. Captain Hackett - November 25, 2008

To no. 9

It was what he was given by his old buddy James who was imprisoned there by the Klingons. :)

28. montreal paul - November 25, 2008

Wow… now THAT gave me the chills! I can’t wait to see this movie!

29. Kirk's Toupée - November 25, 2008

Yes, I’m getting teary eyed as I can’t download the frickin’ links :-(

30. Josh - November 25, 2008

LOL Peta is going to be all over this

Where are canon fanbois?!?!!??! lets hear the next arguments

31. the_law - November 25, 2008

A-mazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

32. paustin - November 25, 2008

jesus christ this movie is 6 months away…but with the trailer and J.J. on tour with clips…wow….can they sustain this for 6 whole months??

33. Warp - November 25, 2008

Denny is missing, with gun. :D

34. Captain Hackett - November 25, 2008

Hello again, Mr. Spock!

It is always great to see you again on movie. :)

35. number6 - November 25, 2008

TREKGAZM!!!!!

36. cpelc - November 25, 2008

haha…

yeah I mean Vulcans are vegetarians….but I guess they still take animal furs for clothing.

just messing….the pic looks great. Especially the grey hair.

37. MrLirpa - November 25, 2008

wow! may is a loooong way off!

38. Brian - November 25, 2008

Fantastic….I never thought I’d see him as Spock again….very, very pleased.

39. Kirk's Toupée - November 25, 2008

Ahh, now it works!!

Fascinating, I cannot see my PC screen, it’s gone all blurred and my face is wet………

40. JeFF - November 25, 2008

It’s been 16 years since we’ve seen him… the picture alone is like being reunited with an old friend.

I’m overwhelmed with emotion all. Logic be damned. =)

41. Closettrekker - November 25, 2008

#26—-“PETA’s gonna hate Elder-Spock.”

Freezing Vulcan…

Large furry animal…

‘Logic’ can be a b%tch!

42. K Greene - November 25, 2008

NICE.

43. shane s. - November 25, 2008

Now that I am in the first 6 or so, I want to talk about canon. The time line for star trek was altered by the all the times Kirk and Co. went back and when Picard and Co. went back in time. For example, when the borg attacked Earth this would change the timeline, when the enterprise crew saw cocrane and he was told about his future and about the federation and was allowed to see the enterprise, this would all set the stage to change history and would. It is similar to the butterfly effect. History was changed and would never be the same.

44. sean - November 25, 2008

#43. In the first 6 or so?

45. john - November 25, 2008

JJ!!! THIS ISNT BRINGING NON-FANS TO STAR TREK!!!

46. RoobyDoo - November 25, 2008

Nice. Had a bit of an All Our Yesterdays deja vu.

47. OneBuckFilms - November 25, 2008

This was a nice little surprise.

I’m putting together the Teaser and now both Trailers on a personal DVD for home.

It’s to keep my hand at DVD Authoring.

This is a pleasant surprise indeed.

48. Derek Evans - November 25, 2008

Truely a GREAT DAY in Trek History!! Cool how he kinda looks like Sarek!?

49. Andrew - November 25, 2008

I love having Nimoy in this movie.

My only impending regret is that from what I have read, it’s basically a cameo and he’s in the movie for a very brief period of time.

Does anyone sense otherwise? Talk me down please.

50. Aragorn189 - November 25, 2008

Amazing. I was hoping to see Nimoy soon. The moment was just perfect. Can’t wait to see more of him in the film.

JJ waited and is now teasing us full force. This is going to be a wild 6 months.

51. richpit - November 25, 2008

Every time I see this trailer, it brings a smile to my face! I can’t wait for this movie.

52. AJ - November 25, 2008

45/john

This one’s not in the theaters, but on AICN only. Just for the fans, I reckon.

53. Mr Phil - November 25, 2008

Superb, I gots me the nerd tingles and everything. Love it.

54. ByGeorge - November 25, 2008

Poor Quinto – he’s got some awfully hard shoes to fill.

55. P Technobabble - November 25, 2008

Truly awesome to see Leonard Nimoy in character once again…

56. KennyB - November 25, 2008

I now have wood. Thank you.

57. Daoud - November 25, 2008

Fascinating.

58. Tiberius - November 25, 2008

Wow, a tear in my eyes…

59. Jamie - November 25, 2008

Hope we get an updated trailer every week! :D

60. Redshirt96 - November 25, 2008

Is it May yet?

61. Jamie - November 25, 2008

I think the screen cap should be removed from this article as it spoils the surprise a little.

Anyone agree?

62. Teleportation Girl - November 25, 2008

haha – that ending is the best!

63. Xplodin' Nacelle - November 25, 2008

Thanks for the Xmas present, Mr. Orci.

64. Lucas - November 25, 2008

i just had a trek orgasm!

65. Trekee - November 25, 2008

Oooooooooooooooh……………….

I got goosebumps….

That was SPOCK!!!!

66. McCoy - November 25, 2008

3 Spocks…

Probably the single best moment in the movie. TY!

67. Harsh - November 25, 2008

That was awesome.
Spock looks great.

But yeah, what’s with the fur?
Too bad we gotta wait six more months to find out if these little inconsistencies are genuine screw up’s on JJ’s part or if there are logical explanations.

68. New Horizon - November 25, 2008

It will easily take 6 months to build up momentum for this movie amongst the general movie audience. JJ and Co were definitely right to leave Spock out of the theatrical trailer, it would have probably set off alarms in the ‘general’ crowd and got them thinking “oh, just another star trek movie”. Very clever and well planned.

69. Chris Pike - November 25, 2008

The inclusion of the most human of aliens, makes this new Trek glimpse feel a whole lot less alien….

70. Christine - November 25, 2008

AAAAHHHHHH I HAVE TO SEE THIS WHEN I GET HOME. 83 (School blocks the vids. xP)

“..Fanboys ASSEMBLE!!!!..”

Excuse me? Fangirls, too, homie.

71. CmdrR - November 25, 2008

I wonder whether Nimoy’s line in the trailer will bring a cheer from the whole audience or just five or six suddenly embarrassed Trekkies. I know I’ll be cheering… or at least giving out a great big “YEAH BABY!”

most illogical.

72. John Cooley - November 25, 2008

Yeah, that got me.

73. McCoy - November 25, 2008

#68

I know that’s the general point of view…but I say “who cares”. If they don’t want to come see Star Trek…that’s their problem.

74. star trackie - November 25, 2008

How cool is it to see one actor portray one character in all phases of life, other than childhood. We’ve followed Nimoy’s Spock from the days of a young man (aboard Pike’s ship) to his prime days on the 5 year mission, to being called out of retirement (the movies) to his life as an ambassador in Unification to now. Same actor, same character, growing simultaneously. Amazing. I just wish Shatner had been given the same opportunity.

This undescores WHY these characters are NOT like Batman, Bond etc. I think the new characters should be embraced, but when one man creates a character, then grows with it over the course of nearly half a century, he really does come to embody that character. It’s a truly unique situation, to be able to watch a beloved character grow throughout the years, portrayed by the same man who first breathed life into him.

Having said that, it’s Nimoy’s presence that validates these characters and lets us, the audience, accept them, without guilt. Here is THE Spock, telling us, these ARE the same people he served with years ago. That, along with the altered timeline are the tools JJ has given us to allow ourselves to accept these changes. All you have to do is let yourself do it. Harder for some than others, apparently.

75. mabean100 - November 25, 2008

It must be said – I’ve got the chills! The good ones…………

76. Dan Howell - November 25, 2008

Ok, I got choaked up seeing Leonard Nimoy …

77. Closettrekker - November 25, 2008

#71—-“I wonder whether Nimoy’s line in the trailer will bring a cheer from the whole audience or just five or six suddenly embarrassed Trekkies. I know I’ll be cheering… or at least giving out a great big ‘YEAH BABY!’

most illogical.”

Logic is the beginning of wisdom, CmdrR… not the end.

Count me among those 5 or 6 Trekkies in your local theater.

78. star trackie - November 25, 2008

#67 “But yeah, what’s with the fur?”

Cold Ice planet man. Vulcans like it hot!

79. Tiberius - November 25, 2008

#68 sad but truth, better keep out Mr.Nimoy for the “general” crowd in the theatrical trailer…

80. captain shroom - November 25, 2008

I love it.

Won’t be long before the cynics find something to complain about.

They begged for images, then ragged on the iBridge.
They begged for a shot of the Enterprise, then bitched about the design
Finally an image of Spock delivering the most memorable line in Trekdom…somebody will surely have something negative to say.

81. the_law - November 25, 2008

this trailer is actually better than trekmovie.com headlined….

the new, updated trailer has THREE Spocks!!!!!!!

82. Matt - November 25, 2008

Wow #74. You are so deep :)……I totally agree though. Can’t wait for May.

83. John Cooley - November 25, 2008

Yup, he wore furs in “All Our Yesterdays”. First order of business, survival.

84. Closettrekker - November 25, 2008

#73—-“If they don’t want to come see Star Trek…that’s their problem.”

If established fans alone could possibly carry a $150 million film and justify that budget, I might agree with you.

But I think #68 is correct. The bulk of the marketing campaign for this movie should definitely be directed towards mainstream audiences…not those of us who regularly visit this site, or even AICN.

85. Shatner_Fan_Prime - November 25, 2008

#79 … I don’t see why. Is one or two shots of an elderly Spock really going to keep people away from the movie, considering all the young hottie actors and eye-popping effects? Hell no. Ian McKellen and Patrick Stewart didn’t keep people out of LOTR or X-Men.

Anyone saying Nimoy shouldn’t be included in the theatrical trailers is just plain wrong.

86. Star Trek Trailer - AllDeaf.com - November 25, 2008

[…] New Version Of Star Trek Trailer – Now with TWO Spocks | TrekMovie.com The Star Trek movie has been extended bit longer by adding a short clip of elder Spock with his famous Vulcan sign and saying "Long live and prosper" at the end. […]

87. JL - November 25, 2008

Really great.

That J.J. would do this for the fans – – ! – – well – –

Put it this way: there should be no more questioning the motives of Mr. Abrams and his creative team.

The unstable ones need to kick back and give these F-ing creative geniuses some credit for actually giving a $#it about our beloved Star Trek.

It’s just how I feel.

88. JL - November 25, 2008

81

FOUR Spocks if you count the newborn!

89. New Horizon - November 25, 2008

73. McCoy –

The point I was making is that if they don’t come see this movie…there will likely not be Star Trek for anyone for a very long time.

It’s going to take every one of the next six months to alleviate the stigma associated with Trek in the general audience….especially the, ‘we think we’re so cool and right about everything’ youth. JJ has his work cut out for him, but if he can do it…if he can make a Trek movie of this size profitable again….well, the dream will live on in film once more.

90. JL - November 25, 2008

I just had a thought. I wonder if J.J. could have pulled it off though:

What if J.J. kept Mr. Nimoy’s appearance a secret all this time? He could have said “Mr. Nimoy has given us his blessing, but unfortunately he is not in the script and he will not be in the film…” or something to that effect.

How MIND BLOWING would that have been seeing that new friggin’ trailer – – – – seeing Nimoy at the end…!

OMG people woulda went ape $#it

91. star trackie - November 25, 2008

“The unstable ones need to kick back and give these F-ing creative geniuses some credit for actually giving a $#it about our beloved Star Trek.”

..words worth repeating.

92. CDR Cooties - November 25, 2008

4 Spocks in one trailer! There mustbe trekgasms going off all over the damn place.

93. sean - November 25, 2008

#61

That makes zero sense. Who DOESNT know that Nimoy is in the film at this point? He’s been listed in the credits at IMDB for nearly 2 years and has given numerous interviews about it.

94. blake powers - November 25, 2008

Sh!t just got REAL!!!! Chill bumps all over.

95. Troi's bar of soap - November 25, 2008

The universe is once again in balance.

96. Brett Campbell - November 25, 2008

54 – They ALL do.

97. boborci - November 25, 2008

90. JL – November 25, 2008

Believe me, that’s how I wanted it, too. We were even entertaining shooting Nimoy’s scenes in secret before the rest of the production. Realized it would be impossible.

98. DrNebuloso - November 25, 2008

Wow, simply wow…..

I am soooo surprised that this is in the trailer….

…..not like JJ at all to give something like this up so easily and so soon…

I thought for sure we would have to wait till the movie comes out to see Spock at all….and it seems that this is the scene everyone has been waiting for… to see him say that once more.

….this just makes me think, what more surprises does JJ have in store for us….this seems like a very very big surprise, like showing the cloverfield monster in the trailer….very, very odd indeed….

99. Ran - November 25, 2008

Kirk’s only son is dead and he dies at young age on Veridian III.
Is Spock teasing him with “Live Long and Prosper”?

100. Harsh - November 25, 2008

#83 “Yup, he wore furs in “All Our Yesterdays”. First order of business, survival.”

Yeah that’s what I meant by my #67 post.

Survival = Logical explanation

“Looks cool” = Screw up

I’m leaning toward logical explanation.

101. T2 - November 25, 2008

couldnt control the phlox-like grin that came upon my face after seeing that…and to think, if all went according to plan, we’d be seeing this movie one month from today.

102. Closettrekker - November 25, 2008

#85—-” Is one or two shots of an elderly Spock really going to keep people away from the movie, considering all the young hottie actors and eye-popping effects?”

That’s hard to say, but it’s clear to me that Nimoy’s presence is the one factor that runs contrary to the goal of presenting this to mainstream audiences as “Not your father’s Star Trek”, etc.

That, in itself, is quite ironic—-since so many here post that his presence in the film is the only thing keeping them optimistic about it at all.

” Ian McKellen and Patrick Stewart didn’t keep people out of LOTR or X-Men.”

Neither of which carries anywhere near the preconceived negative notions that Star Trek does in the minds of the general public.

103. Ensign Ricky - November 25, 2008

Who can tell me honestly, that the hairs on the back of your neck didn’t stand up when Spock said “Live long and prosper’? Totally got me big time.

104. ensign joe - November 25, 2008

may yet?

nope.. tic toc..

I hope nimoy has more than 5 minutes of time on screen.. Just those few seconds in the trailer makes me wish he could be in the whole movie..

105. Peter N - November 25, 2008

Simple, powerful – that should inspire some hope for this movie.

106. Will - November 25, 2008

Old Spock is looking remarkably like Old Sarek. The resemblance is uncanny.

107. James - November 25, 2008

Two words for JJ Abrams…

THANK YOU!!!!!

108. Closettrekker - November 25, 2008

#99—-“Kirk’s only son is dead and he dies at young age on Veridian III.
Is Spock teasing him with “Live Long and Prosper”?”

In an altered timeline, there are always possibilities…The likelihood that, some 30 years after the five-year mission, the exact same set of circumstances will convirge to set Kirk’s death in motion is very minute, to say the least.

For that matter, would he even have had a son with Carol Marcus?

109. sean - November 25, 2008

#99

You forget about all those illegitimate space babies we’ve never seen on screen…

110. Chris Pike - November 25, 2008

97 Boborci…thanks, a fascinating behind the scenes insight…I wonder if there are more buried secrets lurking til opening???

111. Daoud - November 25, 2008

Now the IDW comic book cover makes perfect sense!

Great job Mr. Orseeeeeeeeeeeeeeee in getting that project underway. Can’t wait for the first issue to be here in January.

112. Captmike of the Terran Empire - November 25, 2008

Fantastic!!!!!!!!!!! Finanly The Spock has come back to Star Trek. This Is so incredable. We have Zacs Spock and the real and origanal Spock. The Spock that was there for the Cage. The One who Started Star Trek He is there for the new Relaunch of Trek. So cool and So Awesome.If any one does not like it that the First and best Spock is in the Movie then go and Watch the Cage and stay in the 1960s. While the rest of us True Trek fans will be at the Imax or reguilar theater.

113. Weerd1 - November 25, 2008

Man- I checked just before I went to lunch. I go for a run, come back to eat my sandwich, and click online and suddenly there’s a new trailer and over a hundred posts!

Rock
Paper
Scissors
Lizard
!!!SPOCK!!!

114. JL - November 25, 2008

103, Ensign Ricky

“Who can tell me honestly, that the hairs on the back of your neck didn’t stand up when Spock said “Live long and prosper’? Totally got me”

Now THAT is what I call a fan. Almost by this very definition alone.

It’s how I felt when I first heard Vader say “I am your father…”

It’s how I felt when I saw the Nostromo crew venture inside the hull of the alien vessel…

It’s how I felt when I heard Scotty say “He’s dead al-ready!”

omg I literally got chills just typing that last one. No lie.

115. OneBuckFilms - November 25, 2008

There are those who irrationally believe that JJ “hates Trek”.

This is patently incorrect. He was, prior to this project, someone who enjoyed it from afar, though with no grat love for it, like he has for Star Wars.

Being an “outsider” can be a big advantage, in that he has fewer preconceptions as to what Star Trek really is.

It appears, looking at the Teaser, and the Trailer, that he has gained a far greater understanding of Star Trek’s broad strokes.

There are many who look at the new trailer and think that this will be a mindless action flick, forgetting that the core of Star Trek, the exploration Space, the Final Frontier, and man’s progress beyond present day issues, is at the heart of the Teaser.

He fully understands what it is all about, and given the Teaser and the Trailer together, we get a far clearer picture as to what he’s going for with this movie.

With this little extra tweak, he is displaying his appreciation and respect for the legacy of Star Trek, and where it came from.

In the process of making this movie, he has come to see exactly what we all know: The core characters, and just how well they work together.

He’s got it, and he understands it.

I believe the right elements are in play:

– The Script and input of Orci and Kurtzman keep things straight story and mythology wise;
– The Supreme Court provides the balancing act, to keep the movie accessible while true to the core of Star Trek;
– JJ Abrams brings the leadership and a fresh take to the movie, increasing the visual and stylistic scope to make it digestable for those unfamiliar with Star Trek;
– Paramound Pictures, Spyglass Entertainment and Bad Robot are providing the resources necessary to widen the scope of what can be done, so that Star Trek can be the best it can be.

At this stage, I beleive Star Trek’s soul, it’s Katra, is in good hands.

116. Deep_Space_913 - November 25, 2008

Goose-bump city here!

117. Captmike of the Terran Empire - November 25, 2008

Hey Bob Orci. I would not be surprised if you Filmed The Shat in Secert and then spraing it on us at the End of the Movie. If you guys did that and i suspect you might have then wow Huge Shock but a nice one. If he. The Shat does make an apperence i will NOT! be Surprised.

118. Fred - November 25, 2008

I will definitely be there opening night; I want to see it with fans, not the general public. They tend to sit there quietly. I want to be able to vocalise a little and not feel like an idiot!

119. Closettrekker - November 25, 2008

#109—-“You forget about all those illegitimate space babies we’ve never seen on screen…”

Lmao!

120. Rusbeh - November 25, 2008

goosebumps 4 sure!!!!!
i am speechless
why can´t it be may 09

121. JL - November 25, 2008

Oh, and I forgot one other hair-raising moment.

It’s also how I feel every single time I watch the wheatfield scene where Ma Kent says, “I knew this day would come…”

Say what you will about Donner’s Superman but it doesn’t get any better for me than that scene right there.

122. Closettrekker - November 25, 2008

#115—I agree 100%.

123. OneBuckFilms - November 25, 2008

Boborci,

Please thank JJ and your coworkers on this movie for what they have done.

Also, please accept my thanks for your own efforts on this movie.

Even if the movie does not turn out well, your collective efforts are greatly appreciated.

124. Will - November 25, 2008

Hmmm… I like Nimoy, but I hadn’t counted on him appearing soo old. I mean, I figured old and all, but man, time hasn’t been too nice to him. Someone should get him some Just For Men hair coloring.

This made the trailer better for me, but I’m still on the fence with this movie. I just don’t know if I can force myself to swallow so much being different. As I’ve always said, Nimoy has been the only thing that might save this for me… but god… still so much wrong with the bridge and interior sets… and Enterprise built on Earth……..

125. Seattle Trek Fan - November 25, 2008

The closest thing I can come to words describing how that was:

WOOT! SO F***ING EPIC!

126. JL - November 25, 2008

97

Thank you, Mr. Orci – another example telling us that you guys really went for broke and tried to pull out all the stops.

Thank you

127. Marcellus - November 25, 2008

It’s really great to see Leonard Nimoy, although they could’ve found a better point to insert his shot to – Nero’s “The wait is over” line was a better fit for the ending.

128. Harsh - November 25, 2008

I like the gray hair.

Not only are they not hiding his age, but seem to be embracing it, accentuating it, and sailing that ship right into the wind.

Nice job.

129. Kirk's Toupée - November 25, 2008

Why do certain people keep on bleating about this movie depicting “an altered timeline?”

Get over it, Canonites, this is a re-imagined Trek for the 21st Century, not the dried-out, played out and clapped-out franchise that we’ve had to endure for the last 10 years!!

130. Darth Quixote - November 25, 2008

I haven’t been a supporter of the whole “time-travel-for-canon-differences” explanation. If they were going to make a new Trek, just make a new one. You don’t have to explain why every tiny little detail doesn’t fall into the same place as before. I’d rather they start over than whip out some contrived sci-fi explanation like with the Klingons. For hell’s sake, they had bumpy foreheads because the budget was bigger.

That being said, I feel really warm and fuzzy seeing Mr. Nimoy again. I could have been wrong before.

131. Chad N. - November 25, 2008

Nimoy is the man! :D

Great seeing him as Spock again. Like seeing an old friend.

132. JL - November 25, 2008

117

Captain Mike, it would be a massive shocker and very cool as long as it didn’t upset the plot, but I doubt this is gonna happen… : (

133. Pat Payne - November 25, 2008

A shiver went up my spine as Nimoy came on the screen… Wow. This is going to be good.

134. Orb of the Emissary - November 25, 2008

Why can’t it be May already?!?!!?!

135. The Last Maquis - November 25, 2008

“I’m gonna Rock Out with My Spock Out!!”©

136. the_law - November 25, 2008

@88. JL

that’s right!!! it just keeps getting better and better!!!

137. Darfyn - November 25, 2008

Paramount Classification : This Film is made for Brainless Guppies by a Despicable Fanboy !!!!

138. G-Grasper - November 25, 2008

OMG!
“Live long and prosper!”

This is the best Trek-Trailer ever!
Thanks for that!
Trek is back!!!!

@Tony
“The Cage Remastered” Review????

139. BouncyCaitian - November 25, 2008

Hoo-Aah!

140. El Chup - November 25, 2008

#121 You wouldn’t believe how long I’ve been waiting to find someone who felt that way about that scene!

141. ety3 - November 25, 2008

I’m glad I caught the trailer at AICN before I saw the still of Nimoy as Spock.

Seeing it with no idea how he would look made the scene more powerful and special.

I agree with some of those above. Blur the still or something. Preserve the experience of seeing this for a little while longer.

142. Closettrekker - November 25, 2008

#130—-As a self-described ‘canonite’ (or ‘canonista’), I appreciate the fact that the writers have utilized established ‘canon’ to tell this rather different tale of the beginnings of Star Trek’s most iconic figures.

“I’d rather they start over than whip out some contrived sci-fi explanation…”

If it is a “contrived sci-fi explanation”, it is not their own. The potential creation of alternate timelines as a result of interference with the past has been a part of Star Trek from the beginning. If it is “contrived”, then it is no more so than classic episodes like “City On The Edge Of Forever”, or “Tommorow Is Yesterday”.

I do agree with you about the Klingons, however. Asthetic detail was never a part of Star Trek’s ‘canon’ to me anyway. I didn’t need an explanation for the change in their appearance during the run of ENT, anymore than I needed one in 1979.

143. JL - November 25, 2008

140

: )

144. JL - November 25, 2008

130, 142 and others RE: aesthetics

Agreed.

Three words: story trumps all

145. Captain Robert April - November 25, 2008

Blatant pandering to a splintering fanbase.

Not impressed.

Still not going.

146. Fred - November 25, 2008

Sounds like the old dentures were slipping a bit when they recorded that line!

147. Ryan T. Riddle - November 25, 2008

Awesome. Nimoy is back.

148. Denise de Arman - November 25, 2008

Ah, Spock is back and I suddenly am stricken with a need to drink wine in merriment, quote Shakespearean sonnets, and dance in a glen of trees under a full moon…

149. Fred - November 25, 2008

If people are excited now, imagine when the see Kirk in the screen when Spock arrives back in the altered tmeline! No explanation needed other than the timeline was affected.

Bank on it!

150. sean - November 25, 2008

#142

I much preferred the in-joke reference to the Klingon foreheads in DS9’s ‘Trials and Tribble-ations’. It acknowledged the change in a funny way, without coming up with some cockamamie genetic experiment gone wrong. There are some things I just don’t *need* an explanation for.

151. sean - November 25, 2008

#146

Funny, I was just thinking they must have fixed the dentures after their obvious hindrance in Trailer 1 (Space…the final frontier).

152. DATA KILLED SPOT! - November 25, 2008

Why the hell are you people trying to relate this movie to Obama/ politics?

From my understanding, our future (in star trek) is the result of the total breaking down of the society we know, and a complete rebuilding of it in a egalitarian fashion. There is no money, no poverty, no extreme violence on earth.

I’ve heard numerous mentions of Star Trek and Obama. Sure he’s a Trekkie, but thats about it.

So why are we trying to relate do-nothing politics to a story about a future that represents the exact opposite? I dont understand! Is anyone here intelligent enough to answer my question?

153. JL - November 25, 2008

141

Why do you keep posting about a movie that you dislike to such a great degree and refuse to see? Just curious.

154. Closettrekker - November 25, 2008

#145—-“Blatant pandering to a splintering fanbase.”

I don’t think the fanbase is any more ‘splintered’ than it was the last time this site broke out in a “Which is better: TOS or TNG” debate.

Moreover, this ‘fanbase’ (at least much of the portion that regularly visits Trekmovie.com) has been screaming for the filmmakers and Paramount to do a little ‘pandering’ for quite some time now.

“Still not going.”

I guess that means I can put my feet up on your empty chair…

155. Steph - November 25, 2008

So far, only two things are leading me to even consider seeing this movie — Leonard Nimoy and Ben Cross. Despite the presence of some other good actors, it’s going to take a lot of convincing to get me to see this incarnation of the Trekverse.

156. JL - November 25, 2008

All I know is, if I hated this film and refused to view it, I would not continue posting about it, that’s all I’m sayin’. I’d find something else to look forward to and focus on that instead.

I’m glad the positive people seem to now outweigh the negative ones.

157. Alex - November 25, 2008

We can duscuss and rip apart every aspect of this movie, the design, the ship, the casting, the story, as long as we like, but I doubt there is a single perosn on this board or anywhere else who does not love this.

158. LostonNCC1701 - November 25, 2008

LEONARD!

159. VERG - November 25, 2008

Oh gee thanks TrekMovie.com… now I have to change my pants… thanks alot… >:(

160. RTC - November 25, 2008

Hard not to get chills seeing Nimoy and hearing those words spoken again. Outstanding trailer!

161. ~~TARA~~ - November 25, 2008

Totally got chills…I can’t wait:)

162. Steph - November 25, 2008

Despite his protestations to me, my husband might actually go see this movie — in a cheapie theater, where we won’t get thrown out if we suddenly feel the need to break out into MST3K parodies.

163. Shatner_Fan_Prime - November 25, 2008

#154 “I guess that means I can put my feet up on your empty chair…”

Hey! I’m sittin’ right in front of you!

164. mat - November 25, 2008

LEGEND!

165. Andy Patterson - November 25, 2008

Ok….that’s cool.

166. JL - November 25, 2008

I would say that as it stands right now regarding this film:

The needs of the many…

outweigh the needs of the few…

Am I right?

167. Closettrekker - November 25, 2008

#152—-“money” (in the form of “credits”) was still being used during the time of the five-year mission, and even referenced as late as TSFS…

It wasn’t until Kirk’s line of dialogue (to Gillian at the restaraunt) in TVH that it was suggested that currency had somehow become obsolete in the 23rd Century (and that could have been a joke), laughably, between the time McCoy was trying to charter a ship to the Mutara Sector and the characters’ visit to 20th Century Earth.

Aside from that, the notion that money is no longer relevant by that time is pretty much a TNG-era thing.

168. LostonNCC1701 - November 25, 2008

Leonard Nimoy =Best actor in TOS (Sorry, Bill). Second best actor in all of Trek (after only Patrick Stewart). Great to have him back.

169. Closettrekker - November 25, 2008

#163—-lol.

170. cw - November 25, 2008

Live Long and Shock Her.

171. Morally Supercilious Uberfan - November 25, 2008

Canon has established that Vulcans are vegetarians. Therefore a fur-clad Spock is a travesty.

JJ has destroyed Star Trek for all time. It no longer exists. All the time I have spent memorizing the Technical Manual was, it turns out, in vain, rather than being in fact an extremely useful and meaningful way to have spent my life.

172. Enterprise - November 25, 2008

Cool Leonard Nimoy shot. He stole clothes from the Spies like Us movie.

173. Closettrekker - November 25, 2008

#171—-Another priceless post!

174. LostonNCC1701 - November 25, 2008

Vulcans may be vegetarians, but hey, it’s cold!

And who knows? Maybe those are synthetic clothing made to look like furs for aesthetic reasons. Or something. Use your imagination.

175. DennyC - November 25, 2008

Kirk’s only son is dead and he dies at young age on Veridian III.
Is Spock teasing him with “Live Long and Prosper”?

He says “live long and prosper,” not “be fruitful and multiply.” What he says doesn’t necessarily connote having children.

As for the living long thing, maybe he’s hoping that things will turn out differently in this timeline. You can hear some emotion in the line, kind of an “I know something I can’t tell you” edge to it. Or maybe that’s just me.

At any rate, it’s a traditional Vulcan salute. Whaddaya want?

176. Captain Robert April - November 25, 2008

Y’know, considering that Nimoy was the first casting choice announced, this really can’t be any sort of surprise.

177. LostonNCC1701 - November 25, 2008

By the way: Won’t it be hilarious if there is a Priceline advertisement right before the movie?

178. OR Coast Trekkie - November 25, 2008

I like the trailer ending with Spock. Now it begs the question of just how old he is and what year he came from.

179. sisko - November 25, 2008

Altered time line. This means no Gary Mitchell. This means no Carol Marcus (assuming that’s the blond lab technician that Kirk almost married) which means no David Marcus. That means Project Genesis will fail (without David’s protomatter). That means no Star Trek II, which means no Star Trek III, which means no Star Trek IV. That means the Probe destroys the Earth.

What this altered time line means (to steal from Ghostbusters) is:
Dr. Peter Venkman: This [timeline] is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions.
Mayor: What do you mean, “biblical”?
Dr Ray Stantz: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor, real wrath of God type stuff.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Exactly.
Dr Ray Stantz: Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes…
Winston Zeddemore: The dead rising from the grave!
Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together… mass hysteria!

:P

:D

Hey at least Leonard Nimoy got to play Spock one last time.

I’ll still see the movie opening weekend (and if good I’ll see it more than once). But you can’t steal my memories of a time before TNG/DS9 and those other wannabe Trek shows (just to clarify TNG/DS9 = Trek, the others don’t).

Oh, do we see Kirk’s brother in this movie? That would be cool.

180. allister gourlay - November 25, 2008

totally brilliant! My daughter (18) said wow cool its the real Spock!

181. JL - November 25, 2008

Yes.

LEGEND

182. Frank - November 25, 2008

My problem with all these trailers is that we have 5+ Months to wait. Now I don’t mind the wait, but if they show us any more I really think it is going to be difficult not to piece together the entire movie.

I mean, alright already…. We are going to go see it. But leave us some mystery.

(And yes, I could bury my head in the sand for 5 months with no access to the web or to television, but that is not realistic. I am really just trying to get the news without all the damn spoilers….)

183. Spock! « BlogHaus - November 25, 2008

[…] Den Trailer gibt es in drei Größen bei AICN; via. […]

184. Captmike of the Terran Empire - November 25, 2008

Hey. Having The orignal Spock says a lot about the Movie. It means it will be new and fresh and keeping with the tradition of Trek. So im so ready to see the New Trek and Ill be there for the Imax Showing. (I Hope it is in Imax) But Spock looks great and Just can’t wait to see the Movie.

185. TrekMadeMeWonder - November 25, 2008

I thought Spock Prime was supposed to have white hair.
Another leak of info that has proven wrong?

Yes, Nimoy was great and appropriate for this new trailer. However it still misses the threat of Nero. I see why they realeased the other one first.
More tension.

I like this preview. “Its excitin!”

186. DATA KILLED SPOT! - November 25, 2008

167.

Obviously, there are inconsistencies in ST canon, about money. I dont care about what was mentioned. Reguardless if money or credits existed or not, it still doesnt make sense as to why anyone should see this movie based on that idea that Obama will somehow deliver the changes that are present in the ST universe. The MOST he and this government can do is appease the sheeple, while we live in our bubble and debate about movie trailers instead of the real issues.

187. DesiluTrek - November 25, 2008

“I have been, and ever shall be, your friend …”

Yes, tears for me too. It’s wonderful to really see Mr. Spock once more, THE ultimate heroic character for me since I was about 7 in 1970.

I am still crossing my fingers on one hand and doing a Vulcan V with the other that the movie overall can live up to this.

188. Chris Basken - November 25, 2008

OMG Whoever they got to play Spock at the end looks *nothing* like him! JJ is raping my childhood!

j/k, Spock looks awesome!

189. harris250 - November 25, 2008

I’m starting to think Shatner my make an appearance in this movie. After seening Nimoy in the clip with the youngsters there seems to be a lack of balance without him. I don’t have a clue how it can be done seeing that he’s “dead” has JJ has said but I’m holding out hope.

190. oztrek - November 25, 2008

Simply awesome. This IS trek

191. Sam Belil - November 25, 2008

#179 you have echoed my sentiments from nearly day one. I believe that we all ORIGNALLY believed that we would be seeing a TRUE PREQUEL, with Gary Mitchell, Carol Marcus, #1, Dr. Boyce, Tyler, Garrovick, etc. I was very excited about that prospect, and could not wait to see it happen on the big screen. I am very old school and proper CONTINUITY (not so much as canon) was always important to me within the ST universe and I believe it was consistent throughout ALL of the various incarnations of Star Trek. Having said — it should be obvious, if not MORE than obvious that we will be seeing not so much a prequel but clearly an altered timeline version of TOS (this has been obvious to me for quite sometime now). As disappointed as I was initially — I am ready to EMBRACE this movie, I am ready to accept this new altered timeline. I WANT this movie to succeed beyond ALL EXPECTATIONS!!!!

192. Darfyn - November 25, 2008

I am Seeing Elements of ‘Luke Skywalker’ in New Kirk .. the poor farm boy living in the boondocks .. I know we’re going to find out that Spock and Pike are his half brother and half Uncle , who secretly hold the key to the secret force that he will need to use to combat the undefeatable Shinzona . Only then will he be able to defeat Commander Baldy , who we know bit off his own ear , in a fit of angst , when he heard that Spock had given James Kirk , the secret potion – Eu-De-Pine ! And when the Captain and the Commander , near the end of the conflict , came face to face , the romulan screamed “Don’t Come Any Closer” !!!!

193. JT Kirk - November 25, 2008

I got a boner!!!

194. Brett Campbell - November 25, 2008

189 – It is apparently a story about altering the timeline. It could be done. I think it might be fitting and moving if Kirk’s line to Spock from STIII were fulfilled: “You would have done the same for me.”

195. Donn - November 25, 2008

Fur on Spock: Replicators, hello? Just ’cause it looks and acts like animal fur (namely, it keeps you warm) does not mean it IS animal fur. We have fake fur right now, for crying out loud.

108: Yes, if there were one thing, and only one thing, that I would want to imagine is changed in the alternate timeline (if such this is), it is Kirk’s death. Stupid. Far better for him to have ended up spending the rest of eternity in the Nexus, than to kill him off in such an arbitrary way, with such a terrible last line. That was a botched passing of the torch. I like the looks of this much better.

150: Also agreed. I was actually hopeful, when Broken Bow aired with a ridged Klingon, that it would be put to rest, and Klingons would forever more have ridges. Just as I am prepared (delighted, actually) to embrace the new design aesthetic of this film, and retcon in my own brain how it works with TOS canon, I was always prepared to accept that the TOS Klingons were the result of a insufficient makeup budget, later rectified. Or that TMP Enterprise was more what the TOS Enterprise was meant to look like. And so forth. It doesn’t all need to be explained.

196. Luke Montgomery - November 25, 2008

Thanks Bob Orci for posting here.

I’m lovin’ the trailer with Spock! Best. Thing. Ever. How great that you got to play with Star Trek hands on? It looks like you guys did an amazing job. A real fan boy’s wet dream.

Speaking of… I’m a gay dude and you, my friend, are a major hottie. Just sayin’. I’ve seen you in person and we have some friends in common.

I can’t wait to see what you guys have done. I’ve been a geek for Trek since I was 6 and Grandpa took me to see TMP. Who knew, that years after he and even many of the had died, I’d be getting grey hair and STILL have new Star Trek to geek feast on? Pretty cool.

Bob rocks!

197. Spock's Yarmulka (aka ucdom) - November 25, 2008

I…. can’t….believe…. no-one has said…

SPOCK-TACULAR

198. Reign1701A - November 25, 2008

Spock! This really made day, what a fantastic surprise :)

199. Rikarus - November 25, 2008

wow, Nimoy made the trailer a much better experience for me….

I am still cautiously hopeful about the movie.

200. Ashley - November 25, 2008

wow, old Spock is OLD! o.o

I still want to give him hugs though ^^ <3

201. Andy Patterson - November 25, 2008

Regarding Spock’s garb….maybe he’s wearing the hide of his pet Sehlet.

202. Jim Smith - November 25, 2008

<>

I know that this is real STAR TREK and I’ll tell you how I know it; it has Leonard Nimoy in it as Mr Spock.

203. commander K, - November 25, 2008

Sorry, i disagree with everyone…talk about spoiling the most emotional bit in the movie by showing it in a trailer!!!

Oh well.

204. Вячеслав - November 25, 2008

Нимой в роли Спока просто изумителен!!!!!

205. Spock - November 25, 2008

What happened to Kirk’s brother Sam?

206. Rudy M Alapag Jr - November 25, 2008

so where’s the young Spock in the movie when the old Spock is there? Is that going to the future from the past?
or is that just a mirror?
Spock is already in the future Trek and the young Spock is in the prequel Trek? So, i guess J.J. did two or three Treks for 3 Spocks?

207. montreal paul - November 25, 2008

171. Morally Supercilious Uberfan –

“Canon has established that Vulcans are vegetarians. Therefore a fur-clad Spock is a travesty.
JJ has destroyed Star Trek for all time. It no longer exists. All the time I have spent memorizing the Technical Manual was, it turns out, in vain, rather than being in fact an extremely useful and meaningful way to have spent my life.”

HELLO! He wore fur in a TOS episode “all our yesterdays.” Do your facts before you bash.

208. Steven - November 25, 2008

Nimoy in this makes it an official “Trek” film, in my opinion. God bless Leonard Nimoy!

209. ster julie - November 25, 2008

#17 & #146–Spock is supposed to be freaking OLD in this movie. Of course he wouldn’t “look well” and of course his voice would be affected as well.

Personally, I love how the white and silver highlights in is hair bring even more warmth to his eyes. *SIGH* I’m melting, melting!

210. ster julie - November 25, 2008

171. Morally Supercilious Uberfan –

“Canon has established that Vulcans are vegetarians. Therefore a fur-clad Spock is a travesty.

Well, if the animal died a natural death, would it be logical to waste such a precious source of warmth on an icy planet?

211. Harsh - November 25, 2008

“Live long and prosper”

It’s as if he’s saying it to Star Trek itself.

212. Balok - November 25, 2008

#117, et al… AFTER, the closing credits, I still think the Shat will appear as the E janitor, sweeping the shuttle craft deck… and a similiar fasion to the Ferris Bueller movie, will use the same closing Schtick…. “What, you’re still here? Get a life, Go home!”.

Mr. Orci, you have my permission to use my idea, make it so!

213. Donn - November 25, 2008

192: The Hero archetype. Nothing new at all. Orphaned boy raised in isolation from his true people, only to discover through an avuncular old benefactor (who later dies) that he has special talent, and is meant to save the world. Oedipus, Moses, Luke/Anakin Skywalker, Harry Potter, Spiderman, Eregon, Frodo Baggins, Batman, Paul Atreides, the Beastmaster… they all follow the familiar path to varying degrees.

Not new does not mean not good. It doesn’t really bother me to have Kirk follow the hero’s path. He’s certainly saved the world enough times, why should his life not reflect the rest of it?

214. boborci - November 25, 2008

212

That would be GENIUS!

215. Jesustrek - November 25, 2008

Yesssssssss Nimoy,,,,spock,spock,spcokkkkkkkkkkkkkk yesss

216. Closettrekker - November 25, 2008

#207—-I think he was being sarcastic.

217. Ryan - November 25, 2008

Did anyone else notice the additional shot of the Kelvin actually slamming into Nero’s ship?

218. Spock's Brain - November 25, 2008

Me so happy, me want to cry. Here’s a screenshot:

http://www.mobettablog.com/images/livelong_nimoy_mbb.jpg

219. Closettrekker - November 25, 2008

#210—“Well, if the animal died a natural death, would it be logical to waste such a precious source of warmth on an icy planet?”

I think it would be no less logical to kill the animal to obtain the fur…especially if the reason for Spock’s presence in the altered timeline is to restore what he can of the timeline he knows.

Freezing to death wouldn’t help that cause much… :)

220. Shatterhand - November 25, 2008

@145, 176

Wow, you really are just about the most bitter and unforgiving Star Trek fan I’ve ever encountered, and seeing as I’ve met many on and offline, that’s quite the achievement.

I’m SO glad you’re not going. I wouldn’t be able to see the screen with that dark cloud hanging over your head.

@171

Please, so I don’t establish serious doubts about your sanity, tell me you’re kidding with that comment.

You know, I would be more understanding of all this melodrama from the more hardcore amongst us Trek fans if the Star Trek they loved was going to vanish from existence as soon as this movie arrives in theaters. But, folks, the Star Trek we all know and love isn’t going ANYWHERE. Don’t believe me? Here comes the science:

Okay, for argument’s sake, let’s say the movie’s time-travel snafu caused by Nero’s attack on the Kelvin doesn’t get reversed at the end, and we have this new continuity. Let’s also say that this movie proves to be financially successful enough to warrant sequels. The sequels will naturally follow the new continuity. HOWEVER, that Star Trek movie series will exist like the Christopher Nolan Batman movies exist: in their own continuity, separate from what’s come before. The Batman comic series, the Adam West TV series, the animated series, and the Burton/Schumacher movies haven’t gone ANYWHERE. They still have their fans and a firm position in the pop culture lexicon. The same will hold true for Star Trek.

It stuns and amuses me that so many Star Trek fans practice such linear thinking. “If it’s not the Trek we like, it’s not Trek at all”. I don’t know; seems like a rather narrow-minded point of view to me, and certainly not the mindset a fan should want to employ about a franchise that has pretty much laid fallow until J.J. Abrams got it handed to him. No, I’m not saying he’s the only one that can bring it back to life, but it sure as sh*t wasn’t going to be any of the VOY/ENT/Insurrection/Nemesis creative minds conjuring that resurrection.

221. Denise de Arman - November 25, 2008

No, Mr. Bob, we are not going to turn the Shat into a janitor…

222. Jared Butcher - November 25, 2008

WOOOOOO! Yeah that’s what I am talking about!

223. Yammer - November 25, 2008

220 – Yes I was kidding!

If I was really Morally Supercilious Uberfan ™, I would have pointed out that Closettrekker is an oxymoron, since canon establishes that Federation people do not have pockets in their uniforms, hence do not disguise things, thus have no closets. Oh, wait, there were closets in Undiscovered Country. Um, nevermind.

While I agree with your critique of linear thinkers, one does have to have some sympathy for the real Morally Supercilious Uberfans ™, those fundamentalists whose power to impress those of less complete memorization of the canon is in danger of being rendered obsolete, not to mention ridiculous, by this newer version.

224. Darfyn - November 25, 2008

#213 Canonista live in hope of the Deepness .. Depth.. Depth . But the new Film is made for the Public !

#212 It would be fun .. cameos by film legends are , but I think ‘Mr Bill’ still has a couple of Good Ooomphs in Him Yet !!!

Sad Farewell by one of the Greatest Trek Actors (and Director) !!!!

225. Spock's Brain - November 25, 2008

#207 “HELLO! He wore fur in a TOS episode “all our yesterdays.” Do your facts before you bash.”

He had to. No cotton in arctic wasteland.

226. Brandon - November 25, 2008

Terrific!

I have to admit, it’s hard to imagine Nimoy being involved if he thought the movie was complete drivel. :)

227. McCoy's Gall Bladder - November 25, 2008

Just hearing Nimoy’s Voice makes me all misty eyed

“To absent friends”

I’ll see the movie just for Nimoy.

228. Yammer - November 25, 2008

226 Well… what if Nimoy was actually buttering up Orci et al in order to wrangle a reprise of his role as Galvatron (the reformatted Megatron) in Transformers 2?

Heh heh, I’m such a geek.

229. ety3 - November 25, 2008

#153 –

Huh? I’m guessing you were thinking of someone else …

230. classictrek - November 25, 2008

This is such a moving scene for me. Seeing Mr Nimoy on screen like that in his Iconic role one more time, wow….. Its very emotional to see that. I grew up with this cast and to me they feel like family.

However it also sort of upset me a little to see Mr Nimoy as old as he appears. It just made me realise about the whole passage of time and what it does to you (me included). It really brings it home. I cast my memory back to the first time i saw him on the big screen for TMP and i cant believe that 30 years ago. its quite remarkable.
lifes very short indeed!!
Its such a joy to see him though.

Thanks JJ.
Greg UK

231. Spock's Brain - November 25, 2008

#s 17 and 146

Spock (as played by Nimoy) is about 150 years old (if not older) in this film. How’s your great-great grandpa doing these days?

232. Shatterhand - November 25, 2008

@ 226

Agreed. Among the remaining original cast, he’s probably the one that holds Star Trek most sacred. If he felt the movie was unworthy, he wouldn’t have anything to do with it. The man’s not a pushover; he was offered a role in Generations as Spock but declined because he felt that his appearance would be nothing more than a glorified cameo. So, I don’t think he’d “do it for the money”, either.

233. Ron Mosher - November 25, 2008

Hot damn! I finally get to see the one and only Spock of Vulcan. Sorry Zack just turn in your ears dude. Thanks for the post guys and a happy turkey day to all!

234. Spock's Brain - November 25, 2008

I missed one “great”. I think.

235. Odkin - November 25, 2008

171 – That sure sounds like good satire/sarcasm to me. Everyone else here is so eager to suck up to “the creators” that they seem to have lost their sense of humor. They seem very intolerant of anyone needling the movie, so your subtlety may be wasted.

I think the movie will be good, but I am dubious of some of the stupid bits like Kirk getting swollen hands and Kirk groping Uhura. I went through these same concerns just before Bryan Singer ruined Superman Returns by copying Donners superficialities, but having a bad story, shot too darkly.

I remain convinced that Star Trek will result in the splitting of another mirror universe, where Pine/Quinto go on to their own adventures, lives, and movies. Many of those may parallel the adventures of the Shatner/Nimoy canon, many may not. I don’t think the canon universe will be “restored” at the end.

236. Izbot - November 25, 2008

Thank god for dark theatres! If I know JJ from watching Lost, the Nimoy scenes are gonna make me cry like a baby!

212. Balok –

Best place for Shatner so far postulated! And Orci-approved! Kudos!

237. earthclanbootstrap - November 25, 2008

Well, I reacted to the trailer the same way that I did the first time, which is to say pretty disappointed at best and fairly apalled at worst…

BUT seeing Mr. Nimoy speak those lines DID give me a chill.
If I do go see this in the theatre it will be to see him. I think that one thing we can all agree on is that he is without a doubt an absolute gift to this crazy 40+ year thing we call STAR TREK.

238. Mike T. - November 25, 2008

Besides Olld Spock, isn’t there more ship footage? It looks like more of Spock’s time ship and some slightly different footage of the Kelvin.

Can’t wait for May!

239. Capt. Fred - November 25, 2008

Man, Spock is lookin’ OOOOOOLLLLLLD.

240. cugel the clever - November 25, 2008

# 235-
“I remain convinced that Star Trek will result in the splitting of another mirror universe, where Pine/Quinto go on to their own adventures, lives, and movies. Many of those may parallel the adventures of the Shatner/Nimoy canon, many may not. I don’t think the canon universe will be “restored” at the end.”

I hope you’re right. It would be better if the TOS timeline WERE NOT restored. This will allow the writers more creative leeway for the many (hopefully) sequels and tv shows that will be launched from this new beginning. It would also allow Shatner/Kirk’s fate to be different and leave the door open for him to return in a future film, which would be a good thing.

It looks great.

241. EHH - November 25, 2008

Nimoy has puppy dog eyes. I guess he is happy to be Spock again.

242. Will Doe - November 25, 2008

I watched,I sighed,I backed it up 5 secs. And sighed again. Damn it sucks getting old. Its not 1979 anymore.(sigh).

243. cloudsfather - November 25, 2008

tears in me eyes

244. Butters - November 25, 2008

Ahhh! He looks great. Kind of like Sarek. But now I just hope we don’t get a new Spock death scene. The first one was traumatic enough. :-/

245. Enterprise - November 25, 2008

Maybe due to the Genesis wave Spock is now immortal. When the time line changes, maybe he is not affected, and goes back in time to find out what went wrong.

I wonder if Guinian will also wonder why the time line is affected, because in Yesterday’s Enterprise, she knew what went wrong almost immediatly?

246. Elise - November 25, 2008

245
Maybe they’ll cover it in the comic?

247. nc trek fan - November 25, 2008

Kick ass!!!!!

248. Sam Belil - November 25, 2008

#235 — you’re 100% ON THE MARK!!! It will be a completely new and different timeline. Think about it — you know that Pike is going to get “whacked” in this movie, and it won’t be by delta rays on a class-j starship. The 40+ year history is we knew it, (pardon the pun), WILL BE HISTORY!!!!

249. Wrath - November 25, 2008

Hmm. Mr. Orci says he wished he could have done the Nimoy stuff in total secrret.

I wonder if there might be a Picard send off for old Spock.

250. SB - November 25, 2008

145:

Still not caring.

Don’t go then. What do you want, a medal?

251. Viking - November 25, 2008

Damn, it’s………SPOCK! Nah, that’s not a phaser in my pocket, I’m just damn glad to see ya! :-)

252. Devon - November 25, 2008

Meh, they should have gotten an actor who looks more and acts more like Zachary Quinto. ;)

Ahh screw it! That was fantastic!

253. KirkPicard Forever! - November 25, 2008

Besides a trailer that looks cool and very interesting, Leonard Nimoy’s Spock is perhaps the MAIN reason why I want to see Star Trek XI. I know there is a raging debate about this issue, but I hope Nimoy succeeds in his mission to restore the timeline at the end of the film so that everything fits into one universe! We shall see…

254. BouncyCaitian - November 25, 2008

A final send off with a bit of dignity for the character…not a bad way to end it

255. Si - November 25, 2008

I think it’s so wonderful to see how popular opinion is really swinging towards the positive for this movie. I’ll hold my hand up and say I had my doubts about stuff like the new actors and the ship, but over the last few days, the new Enterprise has really really grown on me and to see Nimoy holding up the five-fingered salute is just awesome. I’m just worried though as I know what I’m like and I’m gonna hunt down every new picture, trailer and plot spoiler and probably know most of the film before I see it which is kind of a shame…Perhaps they could have left all of this until after Xmas as it seems WAAAY too long to have to wait!!

256. TK - November 25, 2008

bummer….seeing LM on the screen really made me want to see the shat on the screen…………………………………

257. Ciarán - November 25, 2008

Oh dude……..(faints………………..)

258. VOODOO - November 25, 2008

STAR TREK LIVES 11/25/08.

After a 14 year death sentence, Star Trek just returned from the dead with the return of the legendary Leonard Nimoy as Spock.

THIS IS WHAT STAR TREK FANS HAVE BEEN WAITING A DECADE AND A HALF TO SEE.

259. Sam Belil - November 25, 2008

#253 — TRUST ME, there will be no “timeline restoration” at the end of the film. It’s going to be a “whole new ballgame”!!!!

260. Enterprise - November 25, 2008

Spock could be like James Bond in a spin off.

261. Spocko - November 25, 2008

Dang it! I accidentally read the description of the Spock scene.

It’s great to see Leonard Nimoy again, but I’m not used to seeing him with white hair.

262. DJT - November 25, 2008

::::Sniff, Sniff ::::

263. S. John Ross - November 25, 2008

Always excellent to see Nimoy with ears on. Here’s hoping the movie is worthy of him.

264. VOODOO - November 25, 2008

Spectacular

265. jr - November 25, 2008

Great! Now, there’s no need to see the movie… or wait a minute… did I see shatner in one of those clips????

266. Donn - November 25, 2008

223: They actually _called_ it a closet in TSFS. “This isn’t reality; this is fantasy!”

267. rm10019 - November 25, 2008

yay

268. Brian Matthews - November 25, 2008

Nimoy/Spock alone has enough clout.
This is STAR TREK.

269. Spocks Brain - November 25, 2008

Nimoy makes this movie worth watching…..

270. Enterprise - November 25, 2008

Spock looks very Jedi like.

271. Vulcan Soul - November 25, 2008

I for one gotta step up and say even Nimoy doesn’t look like Nimoy anymore. Maybe they wanted to even push his real age, maybe they wanted to make him look more like Quinto.. i barely recognized him.

272. harris250 - November 25, 2008

It looks like there is additional footage including Spoks time ship firing on Nero…it’s right after the sex scene….

273. VOODOO - November 25, 2008

As wonderful as it is that Leonard Nimoy is back. William Shatner should be in this film.

I don’t want to hear any excuses. They should have found a way to make it work.

Nimoy and Shatner one last time would have been something very special.

274. Michael Stivic - November 25, 2008

I hope Leonard Nimoy’s part in the movie is more than just this scene, even though it does look great. It doesn’t look like he’ll be on board the Enterprise and elder Spock doesn’t want Kirk to tell his younger self about him, but didn’t we hear a lot about Quinto and Nimoy having scenes together?

I’m sort of sad that J.J. showed so much at these presentations. If the scene with Leonard on the planet with Kirk and Scotty is something extremely important, I wish they’d not have revealed it to reporters already.

Is there going to be more Nimoy or is this the jist of it in the scene on the ice planet?

And since I’m writing, I may as well say that I think since this was likely the last chance to have Shatner and Nimoy together as Kirk and Spock, that it is sad they couldn’t have found a way for Shatner to be in the movie.

Why not have Spock write Kirk a letter saying not to open it until “1985” so that Kirk could avoid his Star Trek VII death and him and Spock could be seen together somewhere in the future?

275. Greg2600 - November 25, 2008

I don’t like what they did with Nimoy’s hair or makeup. Through the years, he’s always looked like himself, with just the eyebrows and ears, but that looked like Spock in disguise. Sounded like Spock. Sigh……..if only we had Shatner too. :(

276. montreal paul - November 25, 2008

The final scene… After the credits roll.. Spock walks through the door of his place on Vulcan… he takes off his coat and put on his paryer robe and walks into a dark room. I fugure is kneeling. We only see his back. He is meditating in front of candles in traditional Vulcan robes. Spock kneels next to him.
cut to a shot of an old Kirk with a frail voice… “how was your journey Spock.”
Spock says, “everything is as it should be. The needs of the one, outweigh the needs of the many.”
The End.

277. ARGTREK - November 25, 2008

My eyes !!!!I got teary!!!!!!

Im sooooooo thrilled to see LN as spock again…

Downloading right now. will be watched 10000 times in my 42¨ HD …

thank you JJ and Co. THank you TM thank you AIcN…

You just made an argentine trekkie very very happy.

278. Darth Bono - November 25, 2008

When do they release the trailer with Shatner in it?

279. Scott Gammans - November 25, 2008

Squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!

What a great early Christmas present!

280. Scott Gammans - November 25, 2008

278: When Rura Penthe melts.

281. Comic Book Guy - November 25, 2008

#124, Leonard Nimoy is now 77 years old! Time has actually been very good to him.

282. Paulaner - November 25, 2008

Goosebumps…

283. EFFeX - November 25, 2008

How major are the spoilers in this trailer? I don’t know if I want to ruin anything since this is an online only trailer.

284. VOODOO - November 25, 2008

Didn’t AICN at one point say Nimoy has a major role?

285. McCoy's Gall Bladder - November 25, 2008

BOB Orci

Wire-fu was cool in Crouching Tiger, but it’s been way overused since then.

Alien and Blade Runner looked cool because they did it first. You can always tell the rip offs.

Don’t you agree?

Plus I was in a live discussion about how Quentin and M Night Shamalamadingdong are both one trick ponies. And the topic of Clooney promising to refund the money of anyone who saw bat-nipple fest.

My point being:

Dont waste your opportunities, dont rest on your laurels, dont copy what’s come before no matter how cool it looked in movie XYZ (even if you did it!), and dont make a self parody.

286. karanadon - November 25, 2008

Funny…if the team have entertained keeping Nimoy a secret…maybe Shatner’s still in the movie too?!

Sorry. I know I should really give this a rest now…

But wow. Just seeing Nimoy again – this film HAS to rock, if only for his presence!!!

287. The Invader (In Color) - November 25, 2008

Great to see Nimoy back!!!!

I have to echo another poster and say I too hope there’s not another death Spock death scene in this…that would bring the whole movie down.

288. New Horizon - November 25, 2008

Despite what some are saying, I like what they’ve done with Spock’s makeup. He’s beginning to look more like his father, Sarek. :) I think it’s a nice touch.

289. Barona - November 25, 2008

“PETA’s gonna hate Elder-Spock”

People for the
Eating of
Tasty
Animals

Mmmmmm! I know Spock wouldn’t have eaten the remains, since he was a Veg, (course we don’t know from what animal he got his fur, could have been inedible), but in any case, had it been edible, someone would have enjoyed it. Waste not, want not, I always say!

Who really cares what peta thinks? Just a bunch of wacko’s who will never enjoy a great NY Strip!

290. Ian M. Cullen - November 25, 2008

I’m really looking forward to this film.

Some of you maybe interested in a new article we’ve just posted over at scifipulse.net

Basically we managed to get popular SF writer and Archivist Frank Garcia to do the following oppinion peice on the new Star Trek movie. Feel free to stop by and leave your feedback.

http://scifipulse.net/?p=3222

291. Boborci - November 25, 2008

289

Plus, Andorian Chinchilas are the known jerks of the universe. If you run into one, it’s you or him.

292. Jon - November 25, 2008

Why are people like 145 still coming to this site? troll?

293. Anthony Pascale - November 25, 2008

RE: additional footage in the trailer
It appears there is nothing new but the spock footage. This was done by moving the Nero ‘the wait is over’ moment earlier where it replaced a shot of Yelchin
So this part is gone:
http://img.trekmovie.com/images/st09/trailer2analysis/096.jpg

In a fine Trek tradition, Chekov gets the shaft

294. Sc00ny - November 25, 2008

Orci,
Wherever you are. Sorry for the shit I and others have given you.

Thanks for listening to us,

For what it’s worth, you just earned yourself a supporter.
Thanks on behalf of all the fans, the geeks here and me,

Respect…

Just need to fix that ship now……. ;-)

295. Sam Belil - November 25, 2008

#274 –“I hope Leonard Nimoy’s part in the movie is more than just this scene, even though it does look great. It doesn’t look like he’ll be on board the Enterprise and elder Spock doesn’t want Kirk to tell his younger self about him, but didn’t we hear a lot about Quinto and Nimoy having scenes together?”

274, I totally AGREE with you and that it is a HUGE FEAR of mine that the “Nimoy scene” will be (in length) somewhat similar to when Kirk assists Picard in “Generations”. I do NOT WANT this to be an “extended cameo scene”. I want Spock Prime to be a major player and YES meet young Spock. At this point we do not know for sure whether this will take place. This is probably at this point my only trepidation regarding this film. I am still excited about it!!!!

296. Bren - November 25, 2008

My heart nearly stopped when I saw the still image of Spock.

It really reminded me of when I visited a very old friend of the family, a woman dear to me, as she lay on her death bed in hospice.

Where before, she had been a plump, jolly woman, with bright eyes full of all the love in the world, now she was skeletal, her eyes glassy and sunken, and her voice weak. She died a day or two later.

Seeing Spock like this, so aged… so decrepit… really stopped me in my tracks. I’ve read every comment upto this, and somewhere in there, somebody talks about the fact that Nimoy has played Spock since The Cage.

Since 1964.

44 years.

Think about that.

This movie aims to depict Spocks birth, youth, old age, and possibly, probably, death.

But Leonard Nimoy has lived that life for Spock. I remember reading in his book “I Am Spock” of the special relationship he has with this very special character, his inner dialogue with the character. That amazing level of devotion to a franchise that has brought such joy to myself and so many others is truly moving. I’m welling up, just typing this – and I thought I wouldn’t.

Have you thought about it?

Spock is the longest running, most recogniseable character in Star Trek.

Spock IS Star Trek.

Leonard Nimoy IS Spock.

Live long and prosper, Spock – and hats off to you, Leonard, thank you so very much.

Oh snap, now I’m off again. *gets a tissue*

Thanks also to you, Mr.Orci, JJ Abrams, and all the Trek XI team for keeping our dream alive, and seemingly kicking it into warp speed.

:)

297. Canonites......Exterminate - November 25, 2008

Wonderful just wonderful. I didn’t belice i would ever see the talented Mr Nimoy again and when I saw that clip and nearly cried. Its wonderful he’s in it.

If one thing makes me fee that this movie is going to rock is because he is in it. Would he of done it if it was crap?

298. Devon - November 25, 2008

292 – That guy thinks he is important enough to remind people on the other sites as well that he “is not going.” We are all supposed to stop in awe for him apparently.

299. Boborci - November 25, 2008

294. Sc00ny – November 25, 2008

Don’t roll over so fast. The story could still be terrible ;)

300. RTC - November 25, 2008

I’m certainly in the minority on this point, but … I take Bob Orci at his word that the continuity/canon stuff will be explained, and I’m still hoping it doesn’t involve a permanently altered timeline. Trek has been ‘consistently inconsistent’ going back to TOS, and most viewers have simply shrugged and moved on. And that’s right down to the Enterprise, in which the same episode would show the ship with and without the white ‘dome’ at the rear of the nacelles. (Yes, I know, different models shot at different times…. yet remarkably free of the ‘canon angst’ that has riddled these boards.) My point is, if there winds up being only the original timeline, this film doesn’t happen to mention Gary Mitchell/Carol Marcus/Areel Shaw/Ruth/etc. (just because they don’t show up in this movie doesn’t mean they never ‘existed’), and the Enterprise looks slightly different from the TV version, so what? Let’s enjoy the movie — which I thoroughly plan to do — shrug at the ‘inconsistencies’ and move on.

All that said … I’m perfectly happy to be wrong and to live with an altered timeline.

301. Fatman Bruno - November 25, 2008

OK here’s my take on the movie… Spock DIES in his time ship blasting away at Nero’s ship allowing the shuttle craft carrying baby kirk and mom to get away from the USS Kelvin whilst Nero’s ship bombards it with overwhelming firepower, Spocks death heralds the so called heresy at the beginning of the film, later appearances of Spock in the film are earlier parts of his adventure travelling back in time to the logical parts where he can restore the timeline.
What do you think???

302. Sc00ny - November 25, 2008

Orci! You cheeky git!
Roll over! LOL!!

Changed my mind – You’re a hack again!!!

Very funny.

Time will tell I guess. Tell JJ you just owned a smart ass in Scotland!
I hope it’s good, I really do…

Thanks for the reply bud

303. 24th Century Rockstar - November 25, 2008

#80. captain shroom

“They begged for images, then ragged on the iBridge.”
“They begged for a shot of the Enterprise, then bitched about the design”

iBridge = LAME
New Enterprise = LAME

Before I get written of as a hater though –

I simply think the film doesn’t look like a triumph of design is all that means – not that it’s going to be a huge disaster, end-of-the-world, trekkies are going to be holding J.J.Abrams pets for ransom, kind of thing. From what I’ve read, and how I’ve interpreted things – reactions seem so divided on the Enterprise design elements in particular that things don’t really seem to hit the over all “YAY!” reaction, as was intended, so much as they seem to hit the “mmmmyeah……okay……I guess so……” reaction overall.

“Finally an image of Spock delivering the most memorable line in Trekdom…somebody will surely have something negative to say.”

That’s where I hoooooope you’re wrong, but you’re probably right on the money there (Spock vs. PETA anyone? I mean seriously?). If there was ANY argument to NOT have concerning Star Trek it would be THAT one. It’s not like Nimoy (a vegetarian) personally killed and skinned baby seals to authenticate Spock’s sub-zero apparel guys. Seriously. Do we really need disclaimer saying “Fictitious, non-existent, space furries on distant alien planets were not harmed so fictitious Spock wouldn’t fictitiously freeze to death?”

Overall Capt. Shroom, while I think the Enterprise design elements of the movie aren’t particularly innovative, it’s all a matter of taste really. I DO hope however that we’re not SO cynical and desperate to tear this project apart to affirm some feeling of ownership over this franchise that we cheapen what Nimoy’s involvement really means for us and for the integrity of the story and project overall. And God’s honest truth, just seeing his face on that trailer and in character has sold me – I’m waiting for summer again.

#167. Closettrekker

Yeah, they were pretty vague on the money thing – the way I always wrote it off was that 23rd\24th Century “credits” were electronic monies, and therefore not “real” or hard currency.

It always worked in my imagination why they would the use latinum and such on non-federation planets on one hand, and in the other still get away with lines like, “Well Mr. Checkov, you’ve earned you pay for the week”. I’ve also imagined Picard’s line about the ‘economics of the future being different’ and the ‘acquisition of wealth’ becoming less important as the natural by-product of replication technology – goods and materials are able to be synthesized so cheaply that it just doesn’t cost much to live comfortably – and any cost could be paid electronically.

Now that I think about it – that could even play into why human characters seem to have such a hard time understanding ferengi characters since both cultures possess near-equivalent technologies, but human culture has become less defined by greed in favor of innovation while ferengi culture as chosen to do the opposite.

You don’t seen many ferengi explorers in Star Trek, and you don’t see many human businessmen. Those identities, of course, are diffused into those two cultures for the sake of story-telling.

Dunno where all this came from, just got the wheels turning in mah brainz and it turned into this!

Not sure what #152 was getting at with the political angle, just thought I’d share my Star Trek Economic Theory with the class!

24th Century Rockstar!

304. sean - November 25, 2008

#207 & 210

You guys aren’t familiar with parody, are you? :)

305. 24th Century Rockstar - November 25, 2008

#291. Boborci

“Plus, Andorian Chinchilas are the known jerks of the universe. If you run into one, it’s you or him.”

LOLtastic comedic gold

XD

306. Lancelot Narayan - November 25, 2008

I must be malfunctioning. I am happy to see Nimoy, yet I am crying.

FANTASTIC!

307. Role on the 8th May - November 25, 2008

Mr Orci,

I just can’t wait for this movie. I’m driving people bonkers telling them about it at work.

I have so much faith in the film for one reason and 1 reason alone. Mr Nimoy is in it. He has turned down films (Generations) and retired from the entertainment industrie and for him to come out of retirement for it just sets a good standard..

How do you cope with all these ruddy naysayers on this board?

Ps

if you need anyone for a test screening please feel free to ask

308. Miss Tessmarker! - November 25, 2008

Boborci,

I swear — a tear in my eye. Thanks!

309. Edwin - November 25, 2008

Wow! At last they have given us a glimpse of my only reason for seeing this film!

Great to see Leonard back as Spock!

310. mntrekfan - November 25, 2008

That’s it! Star trek is BACK!!

311. The Invader (In Color) - November 25, 2008

I agree with #307 —

Nimoy’s signing on for this project is what has made me a “true believer” in this film.

Yeah, I’m drinking the Orci/Abrams Kool Aid…and damn does it tastes GOOD!!!

312. Sc00ny - November 25, 2008

Right Orci,
You did good,

Any chance we can see some more views of this new ship or what?!!

;-)

313. Matt Wright - November 25, 2008

Spocks Age:
Since he has been confirmed as Post-Nemesis era Spock, he would be at least 147 (date of events in Nemesis minus his birth date). Sarek lived to 203. However from the images and how Sarek was portrayed at 200ish in TNG, I would say he’s closer to 190 or 200.

314. dyaleleon - November 25, 2008

goosebumps!

315. Sc00ny - November 25, 2008

I wonder what the score will be like.

Do you guys reckon any Motion Picture riffs or totally new?

I read in Empire magazine that M.G. would be using Alexander Courage’s theme!

Anthony, any comment?
Orci?

316. dalek - November 25, 2008

Thanks Bob. I’m sure this is a gift from you! :)

#313 We don’t know if Spock is stuck in the past and has been living there since Kirk’s dad was killed.

317. Tox Uthat - November 25, 2008

To anyone who thinks L Nimoy is too old and is bothered by his age:

Let’s see you live prosperously into your 70s. And appear in a major motion picture.

318. Aqua - November 25, 2008

http://aqua.mysfdb.com/nggallery/page-19/album-4/gallery-15/
3 1680×695 screencaps posted

319. Darth Ballz - November 25, 2008

43. shane s. – November 25, 2008
Now that I am in the first 6 or so, I want to talk about canon. The time line for star trek was altered by the all the times Kirk and Co. went back and when Picard and Co. went back in time. For example, when the borg attacked Earth this would change the timeline, when the enterprise crew saw cocrane and he was told about his future and about the federation and was allowed to see the enterprise, this would all set the stage to change history and would. It is similar to the butterfly effect. History was changed and would never be the same.

???

(shakes head)

Darth “WTF” Ballz

320. Elrond L - November 25, 2008

Ohhhhh my God.

THANK YOU.

(#7: I got teary eyed.)

321. Newman - November 25, 2008

LONG LIVE LEONARD NIMOY!!

322. Sparks Brain - November 25, 2008

People are discussing if fur is Canon. Ha!

323. chrispikeswheelchair - November 25, 2008

WOW…downloaded the 1080p and just went frame by frame on many of the action sequences. There is so much more that your brain doesn’t even wrap around ubtil you just stop and look.

And how bout the Big E when Kirk sits on his new dylithium powered motorscooter….you can even see a worker walk across the catwalk center screen. Dang can’t wait to take my 10yr old to seeit and let my kid out again too. BOB ORCI- you and you partners rock!

324. NoRez - November 25, 2008

Bren (296) – Great post. YES.

It’s like having a band that you’ve grown up with, that are still together, though time has begun to either claim members or at the least, slow their hands a little – just being able to see them and enjoy them in the now while also remembering when you were all much younger, is a wonderful thing.

Thanks Bob et al, and Leonard, for letting us have ‘our Spock’ one last time.

325. Magic_Al - November 25, 2008

Nimoy’s closeup is framed just like the first time he delivered “Live Long…” in “Amok Time”. If this is the last time we ever see Nimoy’s Spock it’s a perfect way to go out.

326. chrispikeswheelchair - November 25, 2008

Jeez, just read my own 323…long day, evidently can’t spell.

Should have stuck to the lights on my chair….BEEP

327. aries127 - November 25, 2008

Why wasn’t this the actual trailer???!!!???

It would have been damn cool to sit in the theatre with all those norms getting wowed by this awesome, action-packed, sexy, violent, bright, promising film, and then watch them all go, “Holy Shit, I guess Leonard Nimoy and Star Trek are friggin’ cool after all.

I KNOW, I KNOW, they’re marketing to a new audience and they want to make a clean break with the old guard and let people know in no uncertain terms that this is a NEW Trek.

BUT STILL!!!

328. captain shroom - November 25, 2008

# 303

iBridge = LAME
New Enterprise = LAME

All a matter of taste really. I happen to like the iBridge, it’s cool, and who wouldn’t want to a workplace like that? Seriously. As for the Enterprise, admittedly my favourite was TMP version, but from the previews, the new E is a close second.

I’m a designer, and I know that styles change as does technology. For Trek to be relevant it needs to be believable, and this requires a combination of today’s style with a broad vision. This is, after all, story telling that requires a tremendous stretch of the imagination from the audience (Trekkers notwithstanding). Familiarity with current style trends (particularly if they are hip…and Apple stores are hip) goes a long way to connecting viewers to the story.

TOS did this often, by incorporating items familiar to the 20th century and placing them among the technology of their vision of the 23rd century.

At the end of the day, the Enterprise doesn’t exist and the 23rd century has yet to happen. Every time we interpret this vision it will inevitably reflect the style of the day, and thus it will always be somewhat flawed. Nonetheless, as I designer I think in general they’ve hit on a very unique and compelling style. Like all things, it is subjective.

329. Yspano - November 25, 2008

Nice. Though I prefer the first one. I wonder what possessed Paramount to make this modified trailer?

330. Elrond L - November 25, 2008

#212: Perfect! :-)

Oh yeah, and I just played this for our 13-year old daughter, without telling her what the change was … she flat-out screamed and shouted, “Was that LEONARD NIMOY??”

It’s a great day.

331. rag451 - November 25, 2008

It’s the real Spock, it’s the real Spock! Hip hip, hooray!

332. Clinton - November 25, 2008

Very nice “minor tweak”. Yay!

333. Third Remata'Klan - November 25, 2008

He looks fantastic.

Is it May yet?
Is it May yet?
Is it May yet?
Is it May yet?

Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU, J.J. Abrams, Bob Orci, Alex Kurtzman, and everybody else involved in this movie.

I don’t care if it sucks. ;D
And I know it won’t….

334. doubting thomas - November 25, 2008

i would wager real money that this parody will actually contain the line “beam me up scotty”

335. Sparks Brain - November 25, 2008

Star Trek. Now with three Spocks… I can see the 60’s promo lol.

336. OM - November 25, 2008

“…It’s a FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE!!!”

:-) :-) :-)

337. Jasbina - November 25, 2008

I am so glad that Nimoy is a part of this movie.
I worry about him, he is getting older.
I want to meet him someday.

338. Makenzie - November 25, 2008

*Drools*

Ok, the question that will determine this movie’s worth- is this Star Trek as they would have made it in the 60s if they had the budget and technology, or is this a shiny soulless abomination designed only to attract the movie-goers of today?

I can’t wait until March when we get to find out.

339. SirBroiler - November 25, 2008

I just had a warp core breach in my pants!!!!

340. THX-1138 - November 25, 2008

Well, he’s no Marina Sirtis.

341. Trek Nerd Central - November 25, 2008

Leonard Nimoy is the embodiment of cool without trying.

Awesome.

342. The Last Maquis - November 25, 2008

where’s Kurtzman? Why is it always just Bob? It’s not a problem, I’m just saying. They come as a Two pack.

343. Trek Nerd Central - November 25, 2008

#329. As a magnanimous gesture to the geeks.

Or maybe they’re just tossing a fish to the seals.

Ar! Ar! Ar!

344. Brett Campbell - November 25, 2008

340 – Thank goodness.

342 – Apparently Kurtzman is not quite the full-blown Trekker that Bob Orci is.

345. aries127 - November 25, 2008

339 Sir Broiler –

HA!

346. Justin Olson - November 25, 2008

293. Anthony Pascale – November 25, 2008

RE: additional footage in the trailer
It appears there is nothing new but the spock footage. This was done by moving the Nero ‘the wait is over’ moment earlier where it replaced a shot of Yelchin
So this part is gone:
http://img.trekmovie.com/images/st09/trailer2analysis/096.jpg

In a fine Trek tradition, Chekov gets the shaft

————————————————-
That’s the shot with the gaffer’s tape!:

http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/9245/tapetrekby3.jpg

(I bet ILM is going to erase it. Or they aren’t going to use that particular shot in the movie at all.)

347. Kirk's Girdle - November 25, 2008

The lighting makes Nimoy’seyes strangely black. He sorta looks like the old cigarette smoking chimp from Project X.

348. Brett Campbell - November 25, 2008

273 – “Nimoy and Shatner one last time would have been something very special.”

I wholeheartedly agree. So do many others.

I just hope that this altered timeline/alternate universe stuff is not a way to say or intimate that the events in the TOS episodes and films never happened or didn’t happen in the way that we all became accustomed to how they did. It would be too much like saying one season of the show “Dallas” (which I never watched) was all a dream.

I believe that such a decision would infuriate a lot of longtime Trekkers — especially me.

349. Brett Campbell - November 25, 2008

347 – I thought the same thing, and was wondering if maybe the photo was snapped with an old Kodak Instamatic camera — although they would be more red if that were the case.

350. Sparks Brain - November 25, 2008

#347
hardy har you’re so funny!

351. helenofpeel - November 25, 2008

To me, it looked like Spock’s time-ship was firing on the Romulan Narada ship… Did anyone else notice that?

352. Tim Handrahan - November 25, 2008

This is the moment I have been waiting for! A scene of Spock in the film. If only he could make one more change in the timeline,,,,,,,,

353. DOUG - November 25, 2008

“There are 3 Spocks” said Kirk #2
“Not 4 or 5, but certainly more than 2″
Kirk #1 said “What’ll you think they’ll do?”
“I dare not say, since this movie will not have you”
With a nod and a smile Kirk #1 let it just pass
but noted with glee “Tell Sulu #2 he can also kiss my ass”

354. Brett Campbell - November 25, 2008

Why no mention of Yeoman Rand or Nurse Chapel in this re-imagining?

355. JL - November 25, 2008

RE: THE ROLL OF TAPE

Does anyone really suspect that they screwed up with that Chekov scene with the gaffers tape? How could they make such a huge error?

Or do you think that scene is done intentionally as part of the team’s “blending reality with fantasy” strategy?

Maybe that’s a roll of duct tape they worked into a humorous scene… No…?

356. JL - November 25, 2008

347 AND THE OTHER DISRESPECTING “FANS”

Should be interesting to see what you look like when you’re 77 friggin’ years old.

Show some respect.

357. Joseph Coatar - November 25, 2008

Can someone here make an extended version of the trailer that includes the chekov scene?

358. JL - November 25, 2008

353, DOUG

I usually despise the rhyming thing on these message boards but that was pretty clever, yo : )

359. Butters - November 25, 2008

313: It could be that since Spock is half-human, he looked older quicker. Spock, who was supposedly in his late 50s by “The Undiscovered Country” looked like he was in his late 50s, but Tuvok, who served on the Excelsior, didn’t look a day over 40 nearly 80 years later.

360. NoRez - November 25, 2008

I can certainly believe that duct tape will still be a necessity to any workplace in the future. Along with handheld barcode scanners and big staplers.

361. VOODOO - November 25, 2008

Why wasn’t Nimoy in the theatrical trailer?

For many people he is the biggest draw for this project.

362. Dr. Image - November 25, 2008

I’d like to see Nimoy raise one eyebrow at the iBridge and say something like, “it appears that the damage the timeline has sustained is far in excess of my most extreme estimate.”
One line can save a script.

#355- They used the tape to stick the barcode scanners to the nav console, and they needed plenty of light from those “desk lamps” to attach them just right.
…and you would think they’d at least put a lamp over that urinal, too.

363. Butters - November 25, 2008

It certainly would have been a sight to behold to see Leonard Nimoy’s Spock on the big screen in the trailer.

364. Brett Campbell - November 25, 2008

362 – You can tell if you’re “hitting” a urinal in the dark by sound alone. ;)

365. Fansince9 - November 25, 2008

361: Ditto! On the bright side though, VERY cool trailer with him in it. It was already great, but that sweetened it all the more.

Thanks, to those who provided it!!!

366. G - November 25, 2008

#355

The time line’s been altered. It’s an alternate universe now. They still use duct tape in the 23rd century in this time line. Nero didn’t something really bad, apparently.

367. Ralph F - November 25, 2008

Funny, I just watched the REUNIFICATION episodes of TNG. Absolute best part of the whole thing was at the end of part I when, after Picard anxiously queries, “we are looking for Ambassador Spock…” you hear that powerful, unmistakable and booming voice say,

“Indeed – you have found him…”

Still gives me chills. Great moment, and cannot wait to see him on the big screen again.

368. Thomas Jensen - November 25, 2008

Wonderful. Mr. Spock. I know that guy. I grew up with him. Good to see him again.

369. Matt Wright - November 25, 2008

359 – Oh true story, he’s half vulcan, so at 147 or so, he’s probably hitting retirement age vs. a full blooded vulcan who probably has another 50 years.

370. Michael - November 25, 2008

Well then I may have my doubts about the rest of the movie be a devout and loyal TNG and “regular good ol non-remake” Star Trek fan, but seeing the REAL Spock makes me happy :)

371. Brett Campbell - November 25, 2008

366 – If they’re using duct tape on the Enterprise, it’s a sure sign that she was built in my native Vermont — not space, San Francisco or Iowa.

It’s how we fix everything here — even cats.

372. Matt Wright - November 25, 2008

367 – Oh ya, I remember watching that when it aired, and it gave me chills. And, like you, still does when I see it.

373. Spock's Brain - November 25, 2008

359. “It could be that since Spock is half-human, he looked older quicker. Spock, who was supposedly in his late 50s by “The Undiscovered Country” looked like he was in his late 50s, but Tuvok, who served on the Excelsior, didn’t look a day over 40 nearly 80 years later.”

LOGICAL!

374. Spock's Brain - November 25, 2008

124. Will – “Hmmm… I like Nimoy, but I hadn’t counted on him appearing soo old. I mean, I figured old and all, but man, time hasn’t been too nice to him.”

http://www.mobettablog.com/images/livelong_nimoy_mbb.jpg

I met Mr. Nimoy for the first time at the Museum of Fine Arts, Houston, in 2007 after a talk about his photography in a large packed auditorium. He allowed many questions from the audience, but not one question was about Trek. He has an iconic face. He looked his age. He seems quite genuine in person.

We all get old eventually. Even you will, Will.

375. JohnSullivan - November 25, 2008

Top 10 things Older Spock will tell Young Kirk:

1) Use the S.S. Botany Bay for Target Practice as soon as you see it.
2) When we head out on the voyage for Delta Vega, keep Uhura in the skirt, but off the ship. And don’t let me get confused and wear Command Gold. For as I will say one day aboard the Galileo 7, that will be my first command mission – not the one I am on today.
3) Be careful for leaks from our 1968 trips to the past when you get there … on Tuesday, November 25 2008 (no lie) an Astronaut on the International Space Station wished the inventor of the toilet to tap water system a happy birthday, and said from space that he couldn’t wait for her next invention to “beam a piece of your birthday cake up to us in orbit.” Obviously an influence of the 23rd Century has made its way into the space culture of the past.
4) When you hear me say on Stardate whatever it will be that no Earth human has ever met a Romulan, tell me I’m as senile as Denny Crane.
5) When we get to that planet with the Berthoid Rays and the spores, or to the Sarpedion Past where we find the Library on Beta Niobe 1, please just keep me in my rare state of happiness.
6) When I tell you that the Klingons can’t be trusted, and you say “let them die!” well … all I can say now is you told me so … or in the future when I am a lost dreamer who even thinks I can live on the Romulan homeworld and make Vulcans out of those Romulans … you will tell me so.
7) When we meet Khan again … oh yeah. Scrap that. Go back to #1.
8) Tribbles never met a Klingon they didn’t hate. When you meet your first Tribble, you’ll know what I mean, and Sherman’s Planet will be saved.
9) T’Pring is a female dog. She’s certainly not worth fighting over, especially with me. T’Pau will save both of us, as she once saved Archer. T’Pau is the Queen of the Universe. So much so that again in line with leaked culture to our past during our 1968 visits to Earth, a popular 1980’s rock band will be named after her.
10) I have always been, and always will be your friend. How do I know? Because I’ve lived enough times and long enough to know what I’m talking about.

376. Xai - November 25, 2008

#368 Agreed. A good old friend

377. doubting thomas - November 25, 2008

338

“Ok, the question that will determine this movie’s worth- is this Star Trek as they would have made it in the 60s if they had the budget and technology, or is this a shiny soulless abomination designed only to attract the movie-goers of today?”

i think they’ve made that quite clear. every stereotypical image people have had in their heads about star trek has been brought to life in this movie.

378. Quatlo - November 25, 2008

Thanks for the tweak JJ and crewe. Smart move, use makeup and age Nimoy as Spock a bit. (He looks OLD – no, it’s the makeup.) A shame about the apparent necessity to use a wig for his last hurrah. Was kinda hoping hippie Spock as in TMP would return if a hair aid was used. Cheers.

379. Elrond L - November 25, 2008

How about #11:

When Picard says he needs you to help fight Soran on Veridian III, tell him to just go back to the frakking Enterprise-D and arrest him! :-)

380. Spock's Brain - November 25, 2008

371. Brett Campbell – If they’re using duct tape on the Enterprise, it’s a sure sign that she was built in my native Vermont … It’s how we fix everything here — even cats.

LOL!

381. Elrond L - November 25, 2008

Oops, sorry… meant the above for #375’s list.

382. Devon - November 25, 2008

#355 – I thought maybe it was a bandage wrap… we do see Kirk’s handed wrapped up in one of the photos.

383. Butters - November 25, 2008

If you look closely at the picture (its especially visible in the link from post 374), the sleeve and shirt underneath the coat look a lot like the outfit Spock was wearing in “Unification.”

I know someone mentioned it recently, but maybe Nero is a former follower of Spock’s reunification movement.

384. Quatlo - November 25, 2008

We it call 200 mph tape in these parts (the South). I reckon in the future we would call it warp 7 tape. Starfleet just might call it Jeffries tube tape. I am not one of the complainers or canon fanatics, but future medicine for cuts and scrapes does not look encouraging per the new Kirk scenes. Cheers.

385. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - November 25, 2008

Love it! Though Nimoy’s tidbit is barely more than an ester egg. Interesting that Spock Prime is made to look older than Nimoy appears at this point.

386. max - November 25, 2008

The trailer played on tv during the Shield finale. No Nimoy though.

387. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - November 25, 2008

P.S. Is it just me or does Spock Prime look more like Sarek — older Sarek in TNG, particularly — than ever?

Okay, I just checked upthread… other people have been saying this, too — @ 48, 106, 244, 288

388. Sc00ny - November 25, 2008

Hey guys on all this duct tape talk, if you ever need great tape, try gorilla tape, it rocks.You can tape anything with it.
I wonder if the Shat does the ‘piece with it? Hmmmm?

I’m with #354 Brett Campbell.
Yeoman Rand or Nurse Chapel would be cool, maybe in the sequel though. Gary Mitchell, I hope so.

I really want to see the Kirk/Carol Marcus thing. There could be a great story there. Choose family and love or ambition and space…
(ya hear me Orci?)
I hope if it’s not in XI, it’s again, saved for the sequel / XII

389. Matt Wright - November 25, 2008

383 — good call on the shirt and the comments on Nero, I hadn’t thought of that little twist before.

390. Elise - November 25, 2008

383 so Vader to Spock’s Obiwan

391. Boborci - November 25, 2008

Anthony —

Are you sure you only see three Spocks?

392. Green-Blooded-Bastard - November 25, 2008

THERE…ARE…FOUR….SPOCKS!!!

On a more serious note…D-minor

I wonder what it was like to be on the set the few days Nimoy was there filming in full wardrobe. Having that man there, and the weight of his presence must have left people in utter awe of what was happening. It was probably a defining moment in filming, as if to say “geez, we really are filming a Star Trek movie” you know? Like… Spock is here… The real Spock! Holy crap!

393. Adam E - November 25, 2008

391. Boborci – November 25, 2008
Anthony –

“Are you sure you only see three Spocks?”

Are you talking about the infant Amanda Grayson is holding in the trailer.

394. hitch1969© say Chaz™ Root is THE MAN. - November 25, 2008

whoa just effing whoa.

=h=

395. sean - November 25, 2008

#391

Yeah, isn’t Amanda (Winona) holding baby Spock with Sarek in front of Vasquez Rocks..er, Vulcan? I think that’s 4 Spocks.

396. Johnny K. - November 25, 2008

Looks like someone at Paramount fixed a huge marketing blunder. When the first trailer was released, WITHOUT Nimoy, I had a feeling someone would get their hand slapped.

397. Sc00ny - November 25, 2008

Right Orci,
Anthony can’t count. I see four
1, a baby 2, a ten(ish) year old 3, Sylar and 4 Lenny ah whatsshisname.

Unless there is a plot twist cooler than the ‘bright spark’ where we find out that Nero is actually Spock’s son with Saavik and his Name is Nero Spock?

Or should I stop the drugs

398. Buzz Cagney - November 25, 2008

Very moving to see Nimoy there- particularly as we know who he is giving the ‘live long and prosper’ greeting to.
Nice work guys.

399. JusticeBoy - November 25, 2008

That kid Spock looks so much like The Animated Series one its not even funny!

400. mr. mugato - November 25, 2008

Funny that Spock would be wearing animal fur.

401. Sebi - November 25, 2008

@ Bob.

Se we DO have confirmation that the frozen planet is Andoria??

;-)

402. Xybr - November 25, 2008

I hope they plan on releasing at least 3 more trailers for this movie. There’s about 6 months til the release of the movie. Watchmen comes out in 3 months, so that’s how I’m gonna mark the wait til Trek. 3 months til Watchmen then 2 months til Star Trek. That’s easier to handle than 6 months til Star Trek. :)

403. Sean - November 25, 2008

Awesome. I’m glad they realize who should have been in the trailer the first time around.

404. sherlockfreak - November 26, 2008

#400–freezing to death is not logical. ;)

Adding him in the trailer… that made it for me. I LOVE it, and whoever said it, yes he does look a little like Sarek!

It makes me a little sad to see him gray, though… this may be further ahead in time than I thought.

Or they just opted to make him gray. ::shruggs::

405. Pleasure Girl1999 - November 26, 2008

I think I just had me my first pan-tasm!

406. Captain Robert April - November 26, 2008

I’m still waiting for someone to admit that this is a stem-to-stern reboot and the whole “respecting canon” line was a steaming load of crap.

407. Boborci - November 26, 2008

406

Well it’s not going to happen. So take a breath.

408. Lone Ranger - November 26, 2008

I wonder if Pike gets killed in the film. He goes to the Romulan ship to see Nero from the 20 minute footage released. I wonder if Nero kills him when we see Nero activate that lance on his bridge?

409. Brian - November 26, 2008

Mr. Orci-

Thanks for coming on here from time to time and showing the patience of Job in doing so; it can be a bit rough in here.

410. Engon - November 26, 2008

Spock fixes the time line, returns to the present, the door of his timeship opens on the hanger deck and standing there waiting for him…

OLD KIRK: “Where have you been? We’ve got work to do.”

Fade out:

The End.

411. Devon - November 26, 2008

Hi Bob. Just curious about Fringe. I heard House is moving to Mondays. Will Fringe take over that old time slot or will it be coming on after American idol? If so, that would be a very prime lead in for you guys.

412. Boborci - November 26, 2008

There’s a chance we will be on after idol. Would be great.

413. ety3 - November 26, 2008

BobOrci –

I’m a fan of your work. Thanks for your efforts over the years.

Here’s a superbly dorky question that has no bearing whatsoever on the plot of the film:

On the Star Trek movie website, I see the phrase “PCAP Terminal” all over. In the TNG-era, it would have been “LCARS” – “Library Computer Access and Retrieval System.”

What does PCAP stand for? If you don’t know, was this just the graphic designer’s whim?

If it currently doesn’t mean anything, how about “Personnel Computer Access Program?”

If you guys would like to use it, feel free.

414. Shawn - November 26, 2008

Hi Bob. Just a quick question. Now that we’ve seen the first real trailer for the film, when will we see the next one? I’m thinking around March. I know MI3 had three trailers and The Dark Knight also had three trailers, with the first being just an announcement trailer, then the second trailer with an emphasis on Joker and the third trailer with an emphasis on Dent. Are we going to see the same thing for Trek where the next trailer will emphasis a different aspect of the film? Also, I know this might be spoiler territory, but if Nero screws up the time line in this film, then wouldn’t everything that follows change as well including Kirk’s death. It would be like it never happened.

415. I Am Morg Not Eymorg - November 26, 2008

Now THAT’S what I’m talking about! That made my Thanksgiving.

416. Iowagirl - November 26, 2008

Ah, it could have been so wonderful…

417. Admiral_Bumblebee - November 26, 2008

#416
… with William Shatner as old Kirk.

418. George - November 26, 2008

The more I see the more I want to see this movie, right now I think it’s going to be a wonderful adventure that will re-introduce us to the characters we grow up on.

419. Devon - November 26, 2008

414 – regarding the trailers.. I agree. I loved the newest trailer. But there are some crying foul that there is “no story and all action.” It would be nice to have a trailer with a narrative or something that does show a story, says who Nero is in the traditional movie announcer way, and is a little more of substance story wise in the trailer to put explain a little more of what’s going on without giving away too much, and to put to rest the fears that this a style over substance deal (we hope at least.)

“Also, I know this might be spoiler territory, but if Nero screws up the time line in this film, then wouldn’t everything that follows change as well including Kirk’s death”

I don’t mean to answer for Bob but I’ve seen a few people raise this point. I think it is a very valid point, but by the time “Prime Spock” returns to his respective time, Kirk will have been dead anyway for a very long time. If he doesn’t get on the Enterprise B, what is to say he doesn’t die 20 years later of Natural Causes? Even then, that would be put it roughly 60 years before “Generations,” and before Picard would have even been born.

420. Neftoon - November 26, 2008

So Mr. Orci a quick question, could you give us a detailed breakdown of the film??
Just kidding, Leonard Nimoy is still Spock, looking forward to the movie although in the trailer moving the Nero “the wait is over” really threw off the timing of the trailer.

A question in relation to the Countdown comics though, is that Data on the picture that was posted? is this mini-prequel book going to be set before or after nemesis?

421. Hallbjorn - November 26, 2008

loved it !!!! It’s great seeing Nimoy as Spock !!!!! Bring on May 2009 !!!!

422. Admiral_Bumblebee - November 26, 2008

I think it would have had a much more emotional impact if Spock would have said: “I am and always will be your friend. Live long and prosper!”

423. Yspano - November 26, 2008

Why *does* Nero’s sceptre have a spring-action thingy anyway?

424. Birthdayboy - November 26, 2008

I just saw the new trailer and it is the best birthday present ever!!! Thankyou JJ

425. ScottyGirl - November 26, 2008

Leonard Nimoy was the only thing that felt good about that trailer. I need to go back to watching the Original Series on DVD. Can’t get enough of those guys.

426. Catie - November 26, 2008

Wow!!! That was awesome. I’m even more excited that I was before :-)

427. Fatman Bruno - November 26, 2008

My post got squashed by 302 so here goes again…

OK here’s my take on the movie… Spock DIES in his time ship blasting away at Nero’s ship allowing the shuttle craft carrying baby kirk and mom to get away from the USS Kelvin whilst Nero’s ship bombards it with overwhelming firepower, Spocks death heralds the so called heresy at the beginning of the film, later appearances of Spock in the film are earlier parts of his adventure travelling back in time to the logical parts where he can restore the timeline.

What do you think???

428. Jan - November 26, 2008

Isn’t he looking a little bit too old? The makeup is slightly exaggerated.

429. Mike Thompson (UK) - November 26, 2008

Depends on how long has passed since unification!

Wonderful to see Nimoy as Spock.

430. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - November 26, 2008

I’m so happy Nimoy makes an appearance. I just hope we don’t see him die in this movie… of old age or any other cause. I think Generations proved that showing our revered hero’s death is not just unnecessary but worse — painfully anticlimactic.

Anyone wondering why I even bring this up, it’s only because I got a sick feeling the other day when I was writing about “torch-passing” and how cool it is in general EXCEPT when something like in Generations happens.

431. pon farr farr away - November 26, 2008

passing the torch? the torch is out

432. pon farr farr away - November 26, 2008

#427
wait, one more time? its a little confusing.

433. Admiral Christian Waugh - November 26, 2008

Thank God. I have waited 17 years to see my friends again. Spock… lives!!!!!!!!!

434. The Shat in the hat - November 26, 2008

Major goosebumps!! Nimoy looks awesome and that voice!!!!!!

435. NL-NaeZ - November 26, 2008

I can’t wait no longer…
Unlike Nero said: the wait is over….

The wait has just begun…!!!!!

436. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - November 26, 2008

431 — I smell the scent of smoldering cynicism…

Seriously, if Nimoy reprising the role of Spock for STXI doesn’t get you going, nothing will.

437. Iowagirl - November 26, 2008

#417

Now that’s what *I* call a mind meld! :)

438. Sebi - November 26, 2008

Damn I can’t stop staring at the picture of Spock.

It’s so great that he is in this movie, the trailer gives me goosebumps…
Hope it’s not no little screentime… You know, one can’t get enough of Nimoy as Spock.

439. Devon - November 26, 2008

“Isn’t he looking a little bit too old? The makeup is slightly exaggerated.”

How should a 150 year old Vulcan look? ;)

440. Fatman Bruno - November 26, 2008

#432
yes it’s a little confusing I know…. Spocks timeship is seen attacking Nero’s monster vessel in the trailer, so it could be fair to presume that Spock will sacrifice his self to save baby Kirk and his mum whom are on the escaping USS Kelvin shuttle craft (Trailer) which gives evidence to the ‘Heresy’ that has been discussed by the producers concerning the film’s beginnings.
The future sightings of spock are actually before the confrontation with Nero, Spock is travelling back in various pockets of time to find the actual moment where he can make a difference….
or the other possibilty is Spock’s time ship is damaged beyond repair after the Kelvin incident and he crash lands on the ice planet knowing that Scotty will be there at some point in history/future hence he looks older than we expected
I need to lay down now, Time Paradox’s are a bitch…

441. A. .S.F.33 - November 26, 2008

Wonderful to see Leonard, but this has done nothing to change the way i feel about this version of trek .

#416 #417 #425 I so agree with you!

442. HSIV - November 26, 2008

OMG did u guys see nimoyspock’s robes? they looked like the animalskins he wore with zarabeth that time he was thrown back in time by that atavachron

443. Drew - November 26, 2008

That is an excellent edition to the trailer. I find it quite annoying why it’s an online edition of the trailer only and won’t be shown in the cinema. I don’t agree with it but can understand why they would come to such a decision. Nimoy as Spock will appear for more than five minutes, we know that he spends some time with Kirk and Scotty on the ice planet half way through the film. We also know that Nimoy shares a scene with Quinto’s Spock from reports we have read. I mean, do you really think the writers and director would waste this opportunity having Nimoy for this film? This will most likely be his last ever appearance as Spock, and the writers will surely have him in for more than just a cameo appearance. Remember Nimoy disregarded his offered cameo in Generations because it didn’t have a function for his character. This film however does have a function for him, he plays a significant part, which will last for at least two to three separate scenes. Spock meets Spock will definitely occur in this film.

444. Admiral_Bumblebee - November 26, 2008

#437
Exactly :)
We seem to agree in many things…

445. Zibri - November 26, 2008

Don’t worry, if anything will go wrong with this movie, the starship AEON with commander braxton will come to the rescue of the canon :)

Oh sorry.. maybe I spoiled the end of the movie :D

446. JL - November 26, 2008

406

I must say, you are the biggest consistent downer on this site. Cheer up man and find something to enjoy for god’s sake.

447. NoRez - November 26, 2008

How about after the credits, a short little scene of TWO old friends sitting in comfy chairs on a balcony at nighttime, smoking cigars and discussing their longtime friendship?

Oh… wait…. my mistake.
Substitute ‘eating toasted marshmelons’ instead of smoking cigars…

448. The Seeker - November 26, 2008

Yeah, I am SOOO hoping that Nimoy is a much larger player in this film, than just a touching cameo.

Also, he must surely inform young Kirk to take care when he finds himself on a metal bridge in the future! Wouldn’t it be great to have knowledge that Kirk survives the silliness of Viridian III, and as an old man, continues on his adventures exploring the galaxy.

449. New Horizon - November 26, 2008

428. Jan – November 26, 2008
“Isn’t he looking a little bit too old? The makeup is slightly exaggerated.”

It has been 17 years since Unification aired, and Spock was looking older in that episode too. For an ageing Human/Vulcan I think that’s a long time. Did people expect him to look as he did in Unification or something?

450. ByGeorge - November 26, 2008

We don’t see baby Spock’s face but the trailer actually contains 3 Spocks plus a baby Spock.

451. Blowback - November 26, 2008

Marshmelons?

452. JL - November 26, 2008

406

You are upset about this film. When you get lemons, make lemonade!

Or, if you live in Connecticut, may I suggest an evening with the lovely ladies at Mister Happy’s?

453. Blowback - November 26, 2008

I like the tweaks to the trailer but the exact moment I get gooseflesh is when I hear the transporter sound effect and the first three notes from TOS theme, How strange is that?

454. Shaun - November 26, 2008

#406

“I’m still waiting for someone to admit that this is a stem-to-stern reboot and the whole “respecting canon” line was a steaming load of crap.”

canon has never been set in stone in the star trek universe. heck, even gene roddenberry violated it on occasion. a few instances of violations that come to mind: there is no united federation of planets in the first few episodes of tos, romulans suddenly changing how they look in tng, the cochrane in “metamorphosis” compared to the one in “first contact.”

455. ByTheBook - November 26, 2008

I think Captain Robert April is anhedonic.

456. JL - November 26, 2008

455

Nice one

457. The Gorn - November 26, 2008

454: And what about those Kilingons? They underwent quite a physical metamorphosis as well with little or no explanation. Where were the cononistas then?

458. Andros - November 26, 2008

24.

Classic trek fandom. Find a fault wherever you go!

459. You cant warp through a solar system. - November 26, 2008

I know this is off topic, but I was looking at the different starfleet ships online and came across the USS Firebrand. Some peolpe were complaining about the configuration of the Kelvin. The USS Firebrand was at Wolf 359. It has a saucer section and one warp nacelle. Isn’t canon what’s on the screen? Google it.

USS Firebrand
Freedom class
NCC 68723

460. JL - November 26, 2008

454

Right you are.

And I also like the inconsistency of this:

SPOCK (in WNMHGB): “The tapes… badly garbled… I must be reading this wrong, it sounds like the captain giving orders to destroy his own ship!”

KIRK (in Star Trek III): “Computer… begin destruct sequence… 1… 1A…”

How’s THAT for canon violation.

461. Remington Steele - November 26, 2008

Dear God Lads-Relax.

While I never thought I’d utter these words, i feel it’s necessary.

RELAX.

It’s just a movie.

The core principles of what Star Trek is hasnt changed.

Also-if people are gonna be negative, and I have made this point numerous times now:

STOP LEAVING COMMENTS AND BUG OFF.

Some of us are excited and dont wanna be miserable gits about this movie.

462. ensign joe - November 26, 2008

shatner reacts to the new trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fu656gGkhI

sorry if this is old news

463. Shaun - November 26, 2008

#461

“Some of us are excited and dont wanna be miserable gits about this movie.”

i agree. as a longtime fan of star trek, i have come to accept that holding true to the past is not a necessity for good trek stories. as i have mentioned, even gene roddenberry screwed around with star trek continuity. it is not that big a deal.

464. Sam Belil - November 26, 2008

Of course Pike DIES in this film!
Spock Prime DOES NOT DIE in this film!
The TOS timeline WILL NOT BE RESTORED!
Does anyone doubt that for even one second??????

465. JL - November 26, 2008

461, Remington Steele

There is no law mandating positive posts. I say YAYY, you say ARRG.

The old saying, “I may disagree with what you say, but…” We all know the rest.

I don’t think it’s so much an issue with people lodging complaints or picking on something here or there, but holy christ — for some people, it’s pretty much all they do every time they come on here.

And some people lodge personal attacks — against other fans and the people behind this new film, who show genuine care regarding the history and the current state of Star Trek — and it really is very, very disrespectful. Shame on those people, especially.

466. DaveO - November 26, 2008

152. DATA KILLED SPOT! – November 25, 2008

“…So why are we trying to relate do-nothing politics to a story about a future that represents the exact opposite? I dont understand! Is anyone here intelligent enough to answer my question?”

Well what kind of intelligent answer do you want?

Do you want to set the bar real high and ask for someone who (and I don’t say this lightly) can extract and render an astute sociological parallel contemporaneous to the moment of observation?

Or

Do you want someone down at the other end of the scale who can only say “Stop that!” ?

REALLY OLD KNIGHT
Choose wisely.

467. falcon - November 26, 2008

@449 – In addition, in “Unification” I think Spock was nearing 150 human years in age. He’d be expected to be showing some lines by then. And I’d bet a dollar to a donut that in the new movie, he’s closer to 200. Look at Mark Lenard (Sarek) in part 1 of “Unification.” He was somewhere in his 70s when he did the role for the last time, yet I’d have to say he aged pretty well. He certainly didn’t look much like a 200+ year old Vulcan. Nimoy, on the other hand, has not aged as gracefully, but he certainly looks more like a Vulcan with over two centuries under his belt.

Even though he’s in it for a short time, I think (1) the shock value of seeing him on the screen again will be greater than that generated by just the new footage in the trailer, and (2) we’d better enjoy it, because I have a feeling it’ll be the last time we ever see Nimoy don the ears. ‘Course, that’s what we said after ST VI, and then he popped up again in “Unification.” So never say never.

Or, as Spock himself would say, “There are always possibilities.”

468. Admiral_Bumblebee - November 26, 2008

#464
And that is excalty what I fear. That they destroy continuity. I don’t mind if some small things won’t be consistent with every episode etc. But the overall story, the overall continuity should stay intact. So that we have one huge continous story called Star Trek.
As I said before: This would be like taking the painting of Mona Lisa and not only painting a more modern version of it, but painting the modern version over the old one, erasing the old one.
This would be horrible!

469. Rad - November 26, 2008

So can we take from Spock’s age that we have just seen a first glimpse of Star Trek in the 25th century?

470. JL - November 26, 2008

468

“But the overall story, the overall continuity should stay intact. ”

I believe the PTB in charge of this movie have stated numerous times that, in the end, canon would remain intact and that your dream of “not screwing up the Mona Lisa” would stay whole. In other words, the Trek universe stays as it was because they are fiddling with alternate timelines. An alternate timeline does not inherently kill another timeline. It’s just different. Right?

471. Jim Smith - November 26, 2008

468 – The problem with that analogy is that a) the Mona Lisa isn’t finished and b) we’ve no idea what it looked like when Leonardo died, as it has been cleaned and touched up repeatedly since, including in the centuries before it was photograph.

Which isn’t to say that I disagree with your point, just that Mona Lisa isn’t a great choice for analogy.

472. Closettrekker - November 26, 2008

#223—-Did you just call me an oxymoron???

:)

473. JL - November 26, 2008

Someone needs to give us the quntessential layman’s explaination to aleive the fears of the people regarding the whole continuity thing.

ie; “If you have four tribbles and you take away one tribble, how many tribbles to do you have?”

Something like that. So we all get it. Including dumbasses like myself. I still feel a bit confused.

474. Closettrekker - November 26, 2008

#468—-“…the overall story, the overall continuity should stay intact. So that we have one huge continous story called Star Trek.”

I would argue that it remains very much intact.

Without the continuity of the “original” timeline, Nero cannot exist as we will come to know him. The story cannot progress to the point where he and his villainous cohorts take action to alter the past.

The continuity with which you and I are so thoroughly familiar is therefore not only inherently relevant, but essential to the storyline.

The “huge continuous story called Star Trek” remains in motion. Even if the alternate timeline is not reversed in the end, ENT-TOS-TNG-DS9-VOY (and the other 10 films) is still an intregal part of that evolving tale.

You cannot have STXI without any one part of that…

475. DEMODE - November 26, 2008

Does the timeline really get altered, or is this is a case of “all of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again”. If old Spock does not want young Spock to know he is there, then maybe it is because it had happened before, but Spock never knew. Who is to say “The Kirk” we saw in the old TV show did not meet old Spock in the past? Who is to say the Kirk didn’t leave this news for him to discover in the future… possibly after his death! (That could be one way we get Shatner in the film… Spock recieving a classified message from Kirk/Shatner after his death, warning him about Nero and what he must do to protect the past and future).

As for the differences in costumes and ship design… that could just be creative license…. it may have nothing to do with an altered timeline. Since this is before the 60s show, one can use their imagination and say that this is the design of the ship before the 5 year mission. The Enterprise and its bridge has always evolved in the movies and tv shows.

476. captain shroom - November 26, 2008

Having just watched the revised trailer again, it is inescapable the depth of wisdom that one can sense just by looking at his face. I also sense Nimoy’s comfort in the role. Not just revisiting a character, but living the character as if it is part of him.

It is a measure of his talent that he is capable of evoking such emotion from a mere snippit of film.

477. Starship Conductor - November 26, 2008

WOW!

478. Shatner_Fan_Prime - November 26, 2008

# 374 Spock’s Brain…

Fascinating. I met Leonard there too! In fact, before his presentation began, I was seated directly behind him in the auditorium.

Closet, you should’ve been there to meet your favorite Vulcan!

479. Craig - November 26, 2008

Three Spocks are better that one… I mean two.

All our yesterdays – Spock likes meat baby!

Eat that PETA!

480. DengarX - November 26, 2008

One interesting point that I haven’t heard anyone discuss yet. The reason that the bridge of the Enterprise, and all other technology has changed is because Nero accidentally leaves something behind during the attack. Something that is technologically centuries ahead of its time. This allows the new Enterprise, and really everything in this “altered reality”, to be possible. And it’s all according to canon.

481. Closettrekker - November 26, 2008

#475—The problem with that theory is that there are far too many canonical contradictions already apparent with regard to backstory, and both Bob Orci and Damon Lindelof have assured us that such instances will all be explained canonically.
It would be difficult to support that theory, considering the apparent contradictions to episodes like “The Menagerie”, “A Piece Of The Action”, “Shore Leave”, “Where No Man Has Gone Before”, “Obsession”, “The Conscience Of The King”, and “Court-Martial”.

The logical explanation is an alternate timeline.

482. Crusade2267 - November 26, 2008

:-)

483. Fast Attax - November 26, 2008

Great Trailer! Great addition of Nimoy’s Spock!
The more and more I watch the various trailers, the more anticipation builds for the movie’s premiere!

Can anyone help me with the name, composser of the music used as the bed for the second trailer? It would be appreciated! Thx

484. Ivory - November 26, 2008

I feel like I’ve just been reunited with an old friend.

I wish they could find a way to squeeze Shatner in to make this fim complete.

485. Shatner_Fan_Prime - November 26, 2008

I’d like to draw attention to POST # 296 by Bren. Anyone who’s skimmed over this long thread should go back and read this post. Beautifully said; I got emotional reading it.

My personal journey as a Trek fan has lasted approximately 20 years, and Mr. Nimoy has been one of the most important aspects of it. I’m so thankful he’s in this film.

486. captain shroom - November 26, 2008

485

Agree completely. I would take issue with the term ‘decrepit’. Nimoy is 77, and I would argue has aged rather gracefully.

My father in law is about the same age. He’s a former boxer and hockey player (some might argue one and the same), and although he look his age, he’s still tough a nails and very sharp.

One point worth expanding on post 296 is how the original pilot for Trek presented a different look and feel to what would become TOS. So too Trek XI is quite different from what we know. Canon violations are perhaps of less concern to a Trek legend such as Nimoy provided the characters are true to their core values.

487. nc trek fan - November 26, 2008

Old Spock= Yoda

488. Closettrekker - November 26, 2008

#340—“Well, he’s no Marina Sirtis.”

Lmao!

489. dalek - November 26, 2008

#484 they have 5 months to get Shatner space-suited up. But won’t happen. JJ has no feelings toward Shatner’s character and wasn’t a fan, so he doesn’t identify with our pain. He pulled the plug on the scene that was written for him.

As for the “don’t do cameos”. When Ricardo Montalban was given the script for Star Trek 2 he complained about the size of his part. Nicholas Meyer pointed out that even tho his character isn’t in the majority of scenes, he character is being talked about in all the inbetween scenes, and has a large offscreen presence. Kirk is in the bulk of the movie. Shatner would be playing a character that is more or less the protagonist.

Plus to be fair to Shatner he hasn’t read the script. He couldn’t make a decision either way unless JJ approached him, which he never did. And the way JJ spoke about the scene, had Shatner believe it would have been dumped anyway. We have since learnt, however that one of the writers believed in it.

But yes, the missing side of the broken heart of the whole project for me is Shatner’s absence. With Nimoy being the other side. I have no feelings whatsoever for any of the actors playing these iconic roles. Might take a few movies for that. But I will be there and hoping its a good film, and can’t wait to see it.

490. Kirk's Girdle - November 26, 2008

347 AND THE OTHER DISRESPECTING “FANS”

Should be interesting to see what you look like when you’re 77 friggin’ years old.

Show some respect.

My casual comment Nimoy’s appearance in a particular scene neither proves nor contradicts any respect I may have for the man. I suppose I would have to turn in my Trekkie ID card if I were to mock The Ballad of Bilbo Baggins? Not to mention, the man is an actor, a profession more often worthy of envy than respect, but that’s another matter altogether. Nimoy (like Shatner) has a great sense of humor and wouldn’t get his 77 year old knickers in a twist about it.

491. Closettrekker - November 26, 2008

#348—“I just hope that this altered timeline/alternate universe stuff is not a way to say or intimate that the events in the TOS episodes and films never happened or didn’t happen in the way that we all became accustomed to how they did.”

They ‘must’ happen. Otherwise, this story cannot take place. Try thinking in broader terms about it. Without everything you and I know as ‘canon’, the story cannot progress to the point where Nero (who is a product of the original timeline) takes action to alter the past, nor can Nimoy’s Spock (also a product of that timeline) take action to try to stop him (or at least control the damage he has done).

You cannot have STXI without the events depicted in all 5 series and the 10 other films. Therefore, none of that can suddenly become irrelevant, even if the altered timeline becomes the dominant one in the fictional Star Trek Universe.

It is all very much part of the same long and broad storyline.

492. rangerone314 - November 26, 2008

99. Ran – November 25, 2008
Kirk’s only son is dead and he dies at young age on Veridian III.
Is Spock teasing him with “Live Long and Prosper”?

Spock has a time machine and is in the 23rd century in this movie… who says he’ll return to the same exactly time & place when he returns to the 24th. I’ve seen a lot more worse physical damage to people in Star Trek get survived.

After major timeline messing-with in the 23rd, what stops Spock from going to Veridian III right after Picard covered him with rocks & using advanced medical technology to bring him back. Probably was too late for Kirk when Starfleet came & got Picard & Ent-D crew, but just imagine a transporter hum a few seconds after Picard puts the last rock on Kirk.

493. Kirk's Girdle - November 26, 2008

#483 I didn’t see it myself, but from what I’ve heard it’s from “Children of Dune” by composer Bryan Tyler.

Oh, and as for Nimoy, I met him and shook his hand at a TSS store in Levittown back in 1975.

I’m not sure that Nimoy’s placement in the trailer really works for me, because it’s in there amidst all the dramatic tum-tum-tum music. I’m sure the real thing will be accompanied by a swelling emotional crescendo, so the mood ofthe scene seems out of place.

494. That One Guy - November 26, 2008

Dear Post 117,

Please stop raping me.

Sincerely,

The English Language

495. rangerone314 - November 26, 2008

Or even better yet, Soran goes to shoot at the bridge & suddeny his face scrunches up & the camera pulls back to reveal old Spock nerve pinching Soran.

That would be the ultimate scene to end Star Trek. I pledge to personally go to the movie 10 times if they have THAT ending.

Or even better, Kirk falls and Spock catches him ala Star Trek V rocket boots. “I thought I was going to die.” “Impossible, you were never alone.” Then end the movie at that point. Dang, that gives me chills.

496. 24th Century Rockstar - November 26, 2008

465. JL – November 26, 2008

“There is no law mandating positive posts. I say YAYY, you say ARRG.”

Bwahahahaha! How true! XD

497. Kirk's Girdle - November 26, 2008

Regarding that damn Generations, we all know all Picard had to do was go back to when they were still at the Amigosa obsevatory and arrest Soran. Kirk could have gone back to the bridge of the Enterprise B and said “TADA!” But know, Picard was so jazzed up and said, “I know exactly where I want to go!” He shoulda thunk on it some more.

498. rangerone314 - November 26, 2008

Actually my 2 suggested endings for Star Trek would be AWESOME after-credits scene, like in X-Men 3 when you have Xavier’s voice in the other man’s body & the female doctor.

499. Kirk's Girdle - November 26, 2008

495 I would wet myself if they managed to give us either one of those endings, but alas, the target (non-trekkie) audience would simply scratch their heads and wonder what the hell was happening.

500. hitch1969© is back in 2008. - November 26, 2008

“Speaking of… I’m a gay dude and you, my friend, are a major hottie. Just sayin’.”

Luke, I get this all the time. I’m flattered. Thank you for the compliment. Might I say that you are one handsome young son of a buck yourself.

THE WOMEN!!

=h=

501. Kirk's Girdle - November 26, 2008

498 I hate after-ending credits – they also don’t feel like part of the movie. I would have preferred to see Nick Fury meet Tony Stark without waiting through 5 minutes of credits (see Incredible Hulk for comparison).

502. boomer13 - November 26, 2008

It was great to see Leonard Nimoy and his famous catch phrase that we all have come to know over the years.
I’ve heard complaints that this looks like Trek 90210 or how it violates canon but the simple fact of the matter is that the Trek we have known is gone.
It needed this. It needed a fresh take on the franchise. This, if successful will allow us to see new Trek for years and years to come.
If it is respectful to the source material, well written and the with spirit of the characters we have come to love, we have nothing to fear. We have to look ahead not backwards.

503. 24th Century Rockstar - November 26, 2008

#479 – Yeah, I’m so glad to see that argument starting to lose steam on here! It gets my vote for ‘Worst Star Trek Argument EVER!”, and though there are plenty of duds out there, I can’t think of any in the here and now that really make me wince like this one!

504. Dr. Image - November 26, 2008

Bob O.-
Please tell us that Nimoy is in more than just the ice planet scene.
And if so, …..how many? (Promise, we won’t tell!;)

505. Sam Belil - November 26, 2008

#468 — I have had the same fears. But when you think about it all the changes, the look of the bridge (which I still CANNOT stomach), the exterior. Chekon and Sulu under Pike, etc, etc. The original TOS timeline will NOT be “magically restored”. From Paramount’s point of view — this new alternate timeline gives creative license for future movies, perhaps in those future movies we will see Gary Mitchell, Lee Kelso, Garrovick, etc. This is were I MUST give James Cawley and crew kudos for at least maintaining the continuity (more than canon) of the ST universe. Like I have stated in past posts — the “45 year plus timeline” as we knew it, as WE STILL see it on re-runs, DVDs etc, etc — will be “toast”. This will be a whole new Star Trek — just like (for the lack of a better analogy), 40+ years of James Bond history was in fact “wiped out”, with the beginning of Daniel Craig’s James Bond (VERY SUCCESSFUL!!!!!). Listen as an old-schooler I am not crazy about these changes. As a FAN — I DO WANT this movie to succeed! I do want it to knock us on our a—es!!!! I want to walk out of the movie theatre and say to myself, “My G-d, I was WRONG — this is the BEST Star Trek movie/episode that I EVER SAW!!!!!”

506. DaveO - November 26, 2008

483. Fast Attax – November 26, 2008

“… Can anyone help me with the name, composser of the music used as the bed for the second trailer? It would be appreciated! Thx”

From this article: http://trekmovie.com/2008/11/14/trailer-update-trek-preview-showing-at-most-theaters/

“…Music is not from the Michael Giacchino score, but edited by Giacchino from Brian Tyler’s score for Children of Dune.”

:)

507. CJS - November 26, 2008

“As I said before: This would be like taking the painting of Mona Lisa and not only painting a more modern version of it, but painting the modern version over the old one, erasing the old one.
This would be horrible!”

How? How is it remotely like that? Do all of your TOS DVDs and Tapes suddenly burst into flame the moment this film is released? NO. Nobody’s pointing a gun at your head and forcing you to watch or like this film. So just stay at home and let the rest of us enjoy it.

508. JL - November 26, 2008

505

“I want to walk out of the movie theatre and say to myself, “My G-d, I was WRONG — this is the BEST Star Trek movie/episode that I EVER SAW!!!!!””

I am hoping the same thing!

I’m not sure the odds are in our favor for this being the case, though. For me, it is going to take an unbelievable amount of joy and awe to surpass the feelings I have for Wrath of Khan. And episodes like The Corbomite Maneuver, The Doomsday Machine, and TCOTEOF, among others.

I have had so many good times and good feelings watching Trek (TOS and movies) I’m not sure anything could ever top them.

509. ensign joe - November 26, 2008

“…Music is not from the Michael Giacchino score, but edited by Giacchino from Brian Tyler’s score for Children of Dune.”

Track 9: “War Begins”

510. JL - November 26, 2008

505

(well, I am hoping the same thing except for the “I was wrong” part… I happen to have a lot of faith in mr. Orci, Mr. Kutzman, Mr. Abrams and the other true believers).

511. ensign joe - November 26, 2008

Bryan Tyler WAR BEGINS on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fJ9bsA-mYQ

512. Commodore Lurker - November 26, 2008

Decloaking . . .
Nimoy at the end is a MUCH better version.
It ALMOST gets me interested, but NOT excited. }:-[>
Recloaking.

513. Sam Belil - November 26, 2008

#505 — We can all CONTINUE to have good times watching those episodes and there is nothing that can take away from that. In terms of pure human drama, ESPECIALLY for season #1 of TOS — I don’t think anything can top that. I honestly believe that once we ALL get over the shock, the new look, characters in the wrong place and the wrong time, etc. – we can then embrace it for what it is, a reboot and pray that it is nearly successful as the James Bond re-boot. Like I stated before, as a fans we should ALL WANT THIS movie to succeed, because if it does not — then we can all say good-bye to Star Trek, What gives me hope is that if this were a garbage script, there is NO WAY that Leonard Nimoy would have signed on for this film. Lets all use that fact as a glimmer of hope!!!

514. OneBuckFilms - November 26, 2008

511 – Brian Tyler’s “War Begins” was partially used in addition to the piece in the trailer, which is called “Down with the Enterprise” by Two Steps From Hell, a company that specializes in music for trailers.

The main composer, and founder of the company, is Nick Poenix.

Website:
http://www.nickphoenix.com/

“Down with the Enterprise” is on his sample page.

The company he founded, that licenses the music, is here:
http://www.twostepsfromhell.com

515. 24th Century Rockstar - November 26, 2008

#430. 4 8 15 16 23 42

“I think Generations proved that showing our revered hero’s death is not just unnecessary but worse — painfully anticlimactic.”

Not to mention that Kirk’s death didn’t really serve the story either.

Here’s my take.

Story = Concepts\values of immortality (Soran) VS. Concepts\values of mortality (Picard)

Outcome = Soran dies defying mortality – Picard lives to die another day, Kirk is killed.

Exegesis = Kirk could easily have been written to survive and, like Picard, would eventually die having lived fulfilled lives affecting whole worlds spanning time and space versus Soran’s rejection of mortality – who is killed as the results of his own centuries of scheming and who’s work and talents are forgotten.

Hence the “immortal” Soran dies – his works forgotten, “mortal” Picard\Kirk live to die mortal men – their works survive them forever.

Thus, killing Kirk ends up coming off as a cheap play to maximize drama (a la Trip Tucker, Data) – while not actually serving the story, and limiting the options of future storytellers involving that character.

= LAME

Hopefully Team Abrams have taken notice regarding this and feel less inclined to senselessly bump up the main character body count just to drop a few jaws.

516. Fred - November 26, 2008

As far as canon events being wiped out, the movie is not going to cause all of my DVDs and books to suddenly be blank or changed. Nothing will erase the old timeline for me, no matter how good the movie. It’s simply an offshoot timeline, an alternate one. I have always theorized that the mirror universe is an offshoot timeline that diverged when McCoy saved Edith Keeler.

It’s only a matter of time before some comic book has the two crews from the different timelines meet.

517. Fred - November 26, 2008

I was hoping we would get to see Finnegan in this movie, haxing Kirk.

I guess he was wiped away like so much doo-doo also.

518. Fred - November 26, 2008

I meant HAZING Kirk.

519. John from Cincinnati - November 26, 2008

Leonard Nimoy is the man! I saw him in Vegas this past August and he didn’t look nearly as old as the film clip as Spock. Did they do any age makeup on him?

Anyways, looking forward to the new movie. Although, I am one who definitely needed an explanation for the different Klingons. My logical mind at work.

Anthony Pascale:

Beware of trollers: 87. , 91., 129., 153., 156.

There are no “right” and “wrong” fans here.

520. Donn - November 26, 2008

296: Great post, yes. Although, I submit that in terms of screen time, the most developed Star Trek character is actually Worf.

392: “THERE…ARE…FOUR….SPOCKS!!!” Hilarious! I’m glad some folks here don’t shun the great body of work that came after TOS.

451: Even given STV’s laughability (or perhaps because of it), I still call them “marshmellons” to this day, at least in the presence of somebody who will get it.

459: Right you are; Memory Alpha has it. Though I have to point out, you CAN warp through a solar system. In fact, you have to, if you are going to do the slingshot-around-the-sun time travel trick. After saving the whales, they went to warp apparently _in Earth’s atmosphere!_ (Artistic license, perhaps.)

475: Yes and yes! The timeline remains intact, and we go “forward” from this movie through the known events of TOS, TNG, and so forth, to the point at which Spock must go back in time to prevent Nero from doing Bad Things. It is cyclical, like “Captain’s Holiday,” or Scotty giving Nichols the formula for transparent aluminum. Or (SPOILER) Spock giving Scotty his own transwarp beaming formula, for that matter.

Stylistic changes are for relevance to the time in which this movie is being made (which has been discussed at length in other threads), and other “canon violations” I believe will be A. Explained (i.e. Romulan sighting before “Balance of Terror”) B. Irrelevant to the actual story (i.e. “The Menagerie”) C. Not violations in the first place if you pay attention and open you mind the slightest bit (i.e. “The Conscience of the King,” “A Piece of the Action”).

It’s amusing to me that fans who will retcon why the bridge changes between movies (BoP, anyone) or why the gold uniforms for two episodes, can’t handle the difference between driving a ’60s ‘Vette with who knows what possibly modern transmission and attempting to double-clutch an old ’30s Cadillac built by aliens, in a scene whose only relevance was to provide comic relief in the first place. The course of Kirk’s career or nature of his character does not rely on whether or not he can drive a stick shift. (Which, for the record, under normal circumstances he can.)

521. Closettrekker - November 26, 2008

#516—“I have always theorized that the mirror universe is an offshoot timeline that diverged when McCoy saved Edith Keeler.”

An interesting concept.

However, I never bought into the parallel timelines theory within the ST Universe depicted in TNG, “Parallels”.

If interference with the past did not erase the previous timeline, but instead, created a “spinoff” timeline which continued on its own, why would McCoy’s interference affect their own timeline at all? Why would the Enterprise no longer be in orbit?

Wouldn’t the timeline they were familiar with continue as it was?

For that matter, why would Kirk/Spock be so concerned with returning Captain Christopher to a point before he made contact with them in “Tommorow Is Yesterday”? Wouldn’t his absence from the timeline simply create a new “spinoff”, as that theory suggests?

I prefer to think of the “Mirror Universe” as another dimension, having nothing to do at all with an alternate timeline.

522. Jordan - November 26, 2008

I hope that Leonard’s presence in the film is a nod to the filmmakers’ commitment to preserving canon.

523. Closettrekker - November 26, 2008

#519—“It’s amusing to me that fans… can’t handle the difference between driving a ’60s ‘Vette with who knows what possibly modern transmission and attempting to double-clutch an old ’30s Cadillac built by aliens, in a scene whose only relevance was to provide comic relief in the first place.”

For me, it is much simpler than that.

If the attack upon the USS Kelvin results in the death of Kirk’s father (presumably a difference between the two timelines), then one of the ripple effects of that timeline incursion is Kirk growing up in a different environment and amidst a set of circumstances that results in the boy learning to operate a manual transmission.

I see no reason for knowledge of the difference between a 1960’s Corvette and an alien replica of a 1920’s automobile to be even slightly relevant. The “head” of the canon argument is cut off 4 days prior to Kirk’s birth anyway.

Orci and Kurtzman have handed Mr. Abrams a giant canon loophole…No explanation is necessary beyond the notion that the timeline has been disrupted.

524. JL - November 26, 2008

520

“I prefer to think of the “Mirror Universe” as another dimension, having nothing to do at all with an alternate timeline.”

Me too and that is why I keep looking at this new Trek film as “something……………… parallel! A…………….. parallel universe!”

Kirk delivery aside, seriously, that is how I look at it. This is an alternate reality thing to me.

525. JL - November 26, 2008

511

AWESOME, EPIC TRACK right there – holy mother of GOD! I can see the hills darken with a half million soldiers when I listen to that.

Similar feeling I get when I hear Zimmer’s Gladiator.

Thanks ensign joe

526. Jordan - November 26, 2008

Closettrekker, you bring up some good points. Speaking for myself, I see preservation of cannon as a sign of respect for all the history that has gone before. When JJ always says things like “I’ve never been a Star Trek fan,” we see that as him giving himself license to make Star Trek canon flexible. That said, I trust JJ as a brilliant artist and I’m grateful an A-lister such as Abrams took on a franchise that was fizzling out with the last terrible series and movie. I’d like to think that this is a direct prequel to all of the Trek that I’ve grown up with.

527. Andros - November 26, 2008

The real question is:

Will we see 24/25th century ships(other than Spock’s timeship) in the pieces that show the “present” time in the Trek universe?

Will they be familiar ships or redesigns of said ship? No one seems to care…

528. Scott Xavier - November 26, 2008

This is no time to be arguing about time lines….

529. McCoy's Gall Bladder - November 26, 2008

Doing my part to get a thread to 1701 posts! :-)

Spock, Spock and SPOCK! What is Spock?

A lot of the episodes should be considered non canon. Spock’s Brain was written as a joke because David Gerold was under contract, but he didnt think they’d use it. Gene never threw anything away.

Janice Lester certainly cant be considered canon since “StarFleet doesnt have women captains.” True the US Navy had no female combat officers in the 1960’s but with overpopulation these days, I think more women should be in the trenches. (wait, for it… here come the letters)

As I’ve said before, I’m not concerned with the story as much as I am with the design. They should have gotten Tim Gunn or that one guy Santino to redesign the costumes. Wm. Ware Thesis was gay, and taught Gene not to fear them, so why not?

I still want to see Kirk as the computer killer.

Kirk, Spock, and McCoy considered themselves a family since they couldnt really have anyone else. Kirk lost everyone he ever had. Spock was confused and alienated from his father’s culture. McCoy was divorced. I can see all of them being a little angsty.

A real surprise would be Robin Curtis as an old Savvik giving Spock a good-bye kiss on his way out. “Have a good day at work, dear, and pick up some plomeek on your way home.”

I hope the Vette was a kit car. They could just as well have thrown a Tesla off a cliff.

I cant think of anything else to grouse about.

Post on peeps.

530. Closettrekker - November 26, 2008

#525—I also believe in preservation of canon.

The existence and possibility for alternate timelines being created by interference with the past is in itself ‘canon’.

“City On The Edge Of Forever”
“Tommorow Is Yesterday”
“Assignment: Earth”
“Yesteryear” (TAS)
“Yesterday’s Enterprise” (TNG)
…among others.

Even when events did not culminate in an alternate timeline, the potential was always there and acknowledged.

Therefore, canon is preserved, and Orci’s promise that “Anything which appears to violate canon will have a canon explanation” is adhered to.

Moreover, since both Nero and Nimoy’s Spock come from the original timeline, everything depicted in 40+ years of filmed Star Trek is inherently relevant (and essential) to the story in STXI.

Without that “original timeline”, the story in STXI cannot take place.

Even if the altered timeline is permanent, everything from ENT-Nemesis is still very much relevant to the overall mythology.

531. McCoy's Gall Bladder - November 26, 2008

The Vette

Yep

The only place in the universe you’ll see a Vette is Earth. People on Tarsus IV would have the modern equivalent, if the built a car factory at all.

No one would spend the money or time to move a Vette to another planet

Kirk’s on Earth.

Being raised by his uncle he learns to ride horses and drive a stick.

I knew I could find a grouse! :-)

I like you kids, you have lots of ideas.

532. Tony Whitehead - November 26, 2008

I want to thank all involved in the creative development of this trailer for a job well done. Thanks for not making a typical hollywood trailer a sentence interwoven with clips from the film. I use The Day The Earth Stood Still as a recent example of this tired out trailer format.
I only wish that the above version with Mr. Nimoy would have been released to the theaters. Amazing what one simple shot insert can do to amp up the whole trailer!

533. McCoy's Gall Bladder - November 26, 2008

Bob Orci

When Spock died at the end of Wrath, and the beginning, it was because Nimoy himself was displeased and wanted an out. He later regretted it if you read I AM SPOCK.

When Data sacrificed himself in Nemesis, it was for the same reason. Spiner wanted out of Trek. But in Spiner’s case it looks lame. Nemesis comes off as a Wrath rip off. They could have send Data on a fact finding trip to the galactic core or sent him to Andromeda or something else.

I hope you get me when I tell you not to rehash what came before, even if it is Trek.

534. JP - November 26, 2008

lol there are four spocks

*sigh*

oh my that made my day

535. JL - November 26, 2008

533

Heh.

Gotta love the stiff line at the end of that trailer:

“If the earth dies, you die. If you die, the earth survives…”

big WTF there

536. WB - November 26, 2008

It makes me a little sad seeing Spock look so frail… but still too cool seeing him again.

537. Donn - November 26, 2008

I absolutely acknowledge the possibility, and certainly the easy explanation that results from declaring that time travel and meddling in past events causes everything hence forth to take place in an alternate timeline/parallel universe, which gives JJ carte blanche to recreate Trek however he sees fit.

I think it’s going to be a lot simpler than that, though. I don’t think there’s going to be any explicit explanation, either in the film or from the creators, that this is what’s happened. I think the movie will be the movie, and the implication by the end is that everything is as it should be, the universe is saved and the timeline preserved to everyone’s (in the movie) satisfaction.

This is not meant as a put-down: if it makes you feel better to believe that this is an alternate timeline being created, that’s great. I must be one of the only ones who really feel that you can take what’s going to happen in this movie and regard it as the true origin story for the timeline we already know. Discrepancies with what we’ve seen before are explained or not important for the meat of what Star Trek is.

Maybe I’ll be proven completely wrong, and they WILL blatantly say that the timeline is altered… except that the creators keep saying that this is not the case.

538. Mark from Germany - November 26, 2008

I am sure that I DO NOT SEE Spock No 4.

539. Sc00ny - November 26, 2008

#459. You cant warp through a solar system

Good point. I must say, I like the Kelvin, I didn’t at first, but now I think it’s so original, yrt it fits in with the rest of the ship continuity.

Wish I could say the same for the Enterprise.
I want to like it, I really do!

540. Captain Hackett - November 26, 2008

To No. 166. JL

Or the one.

:)

541. Anthony Pascale - November 26, 2008

Bob,

You are correct sir. There are indeed four Spocks and the article has been updated to reflect that.

Of course the movie will need to have SIX Spocks if you want to break the most Spocks in a single movie record.

542. Nick Cook - November 26, 2008

#537. Donn, I think you hit the nail on the head. :)

543. DM79 - November 26, 2008

538. Mark from Germany – November 26, 2008
I am sure that I DO NOT SEE Spock No 4.

I agree, you see something wrapped in cloth… could be a baby, hehe…

544. Donn - November 26, 2008

On reboot vs. alternate timeline: I don’t think there’s a functional difference. Yes, if you call it an AT, you have the “comfort” of believing that the OT (original timeline) canon is still required to get you to the point of going back in time to create the AT (all deference to clostettrekker), but at the end of the day what you would have is a movie that starts over with a blank slate. Reboot.

I think the creators are intelligent enough to know that they amount to the same thing, and I am prepared to accept them at their word that this is not intended as a reboot, but as an origin story, plain and simple. The only reason time travel is involved at all is to allow Leonard Nimoy to “pass the torch” and use a Romulan villain.

While, indeed, many episodes have explained the possibility of altering the timeline with time travel, this was played with very carefully, and at the end of the show, we were always left with the same universe we started with. “Meddling” with the past has always turned out to be “the way things were supposed to happen.” Paradoxical, perhaps, but that’s the show. I find it hard to swallow that a bunch of moderate to hard core Trekkers writing this movie would agree to violate this tradition, and in so doing violate ALL of Trek tradition, in the name of having the freedom to violate canon at will.

545. McCoy's Gall Bladder - November 26, 2008

SIX Spocks?

And not one of them has a beard?

If Quinto suddenly has a CGI goatee in the movie, I think everyone will be happy.

What movie had Six Spocks? SFS had a toddler, a child, a teen, and all grown up Spock.

Unless I’m getting Alzheimer’s?

546. McCoy - November 26, 2008

544-

I agree.

547. Anthony Pascale - November 26, 2008

no film has had six Spocks, I said you need six to break the record

548. Driver - November 26, 2008

Star Trek III had multiple Spocks.

549. Ciarán - November 26, 2008

Why is the officla site and the apple.com site no longer showing the Nimoy trailer? Something wrong!!!

550. McCoy's Gall Bladder - November 26, 2008

Warping around the sun

Here’s my thought: Space is warped around a star, not as much as a black hole, but still. Sol’s gravity is enough that it acts like another planet to affect Mercury’s orbit and speed. Azimov explained Einstein’s gravity theory. Scientists used to look for a planet between Sol and Mercury to explain Mercury’s mercurial behavior. They named it Vulcan. Einstein said, nope, it’s the power of gravity itself.

My point? Apparently, a star’s gravity can bend time even in a warp. It took a few real minutes to cross a tiny amount of space where if they had been in “open” space, they would have covered more distance.

I blame the sun

I’m feeling especially grousey today. he he he

551. Ivory - November 26, 2008

This is an alternate time line we are looking at.

Nimoy’s Spock survives and returns to the time line we have been watching for over 40 years.

The Pine/Quinto time line plays out totally differently. Thus, are characters are an open book.

For example. Shatner’s Kirk will remain dead, but Pine’s Kirk’s destiny is wide open.

552. By The Book - November 26, 2008

I always wonder why you guys don’t flip that “Spock choking Kirk” still from the trailer when you show it as a picture. I guess it’s flipped in the trailer so the action moves from left to right, but it just looks wrong as a still image.

553. DATA KILLED SPOT! - November 26, 2008

I watched The Universe on the History Channel last night, and apparently nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, in reality. The only concievable way to break light speed is to warp space or create a wormhole, or even fold space. However, no one knows exactly how to achieve any of those three. It will take centuries more of experimentation, but it hasnt been ruled out as impossible to break the light speed barrier.

554. OM - November 26, 2008

[Scene: Picard standing in front of Cardassian inquisitor]

Picard: “There…Are…*FOUR* Spocks!”

555. AJ - November 26, 2008

But “4th” Spock is just a baby blankie. Is their actually a baby Spock in the film? Awww….

556. P Technobabble - November 26, 2008

Each time I come to this website the conversation still revolves around the new movie, so at least I know THIS time-line hasn’t changed… yet. My understanding is that 2009 will also be the year we learn that ufos and aliens visiting earth are actually from the future. One group of aliens has already altered the time-line (which is why 2001 never turned out like “2001”). The other group is trying to restore it. They are all particularly interested to see how the time-line turns out in Star Trek because Orci and Kurtzman might know something they don’t…

557. paustin - November 26, 2008

come on lets go for 5…lets turn this into the trek version of where’s waldo…lol

558. Andrew - November 26, 2008

FIVE Spock! :D

559. AdamTrek - November 26, 2008

No space vehicle has ever got close to full impulse speed, let alone a real warp drive, with warp one being THE speed of light.

We’ve got a lot of work to do…

Space, the final frontier…

560. Kirk's Girdle - November 26, 2008

Regarding warp theory: I believe the “warp bubble” is an envelope outside of normal space-time that allows FTL travel. Warp travel, hyperspace, and folding space were all creative ways to get around Einstein.

561. Mugz - November 26, 2008

Goddamn! I have goose-bumps…..

Thanks JJ and co :)

562. Canonfornication - November 26, 2008

HOLY SHEET!…THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN EXCELLENT ON THE BIG SCREEN….even Mr average Joe The Plumber movie goers heart would skip a beat with that end scene…

any reason why that wasnt in the theatres attached to Bond ($70 million wkend!!…thats ALOT of movie goers who now know about Star Trek next may!)

19 years – would i be correct in assuming thatd put Nimoy top of the list in terms of time gap in reprising a role? (Harrison Ford played Indy in a Young Indy ep in the mid 90s)

oh wait…Newman in Colour of Money right?

563. Donn - November 26, 2008

550: Hey, cool. Just pointing out the guy’s handle was canonically inaccurate, as a joke. I find your theory plausible for why they could be screaming towards the sun above warp 9 for 10 minutes of screen time.

551: Is this your own theory/idea, or do you have anything to point to that the rest of us could hang our hat on?

564. Bart - November 26, 2008

Silly, as if fur is the only protection against cold in the future :S Do you ever see mountainclimbers or polar expeditions wear fur?? Come on, when there is warpdrive there must be some super isolating fabric to protect against cold.

565. Dr. Image - November 26, 2008

Maybe Bana had contractual dibs on appearing in the trailer, because, yeah, Nimoy would have blown people away.

566. Fred - November 26, 2008

That is a false nitpick, all we see is a blanket, not Spock. Still three.

567. Donn - November 26, 2008

562: The Klingons who reprise their TOS roles in DS9’s “Blood Oath” represent a return after 26-27 years.

568. Tim - November 26, 2008

492 -> I believe this was already written in a book.

569. Fred - November 26, 2008

Maybe Spock just likes the feel of fur against his skin?

570. Dr. Image - November 26, 2008

#569- Yeah. He closes his eyes and thinks of Zarabeth.

571. Michael - November 26, 2008

The1st picture with Winona Ryder isn’t Spock. It must be the British actor who plays ambassador Sarek that you hear on the trailer…

572. dav - November 26, 2008

“562. 19 years – would i be correct in assuming thatd put Nimoy top of the list in terms of time gap in reprising a role? (Harrison Ford played Indy in a Young Indy ep in the mid 90s)

oh wait…Newman in Colour of Money right?”

In terms of movies, I think it’s something like this..

Paul Newman (Eddie Felson) – 25 years 1961 – 1986
Anthony Perkins (Norman Bates) – 23 years 1960 – 1983
Sylvester Stallone (Rambo) – 20 years 1988 – 2008
Harrison Ford (Indiana Jones) – 19 years 1989 – 2008
Leonard Nimoy (Spock) – 18 years 1991 – 2009

573. fred - November 26, 2008

I’m still wondering why Vulcan has a blue sky.

574. Sparks Brain - November 26, 2008

do reflections count? I see a few reflections of spark in the trailer, that would make it 6 sparks. no?

575. red right hand of ab rams - November 26, 2008

#440. damn fatman bruno, im dizzy too. i got the first part now about spock saving the kirks, here is where I need a little clarification. I’m in a muddy haze

“The future sightings of spock are actually before the confrontation with Nero, Spock is travelling back in various pockets of time to find the actual moment where he can make a difference”

Now this is where I cant wrap my mind around. could you disect a little clearer for me, or maybe MIND MELD it to me? sorry for the retardation, but the transporter beam has jiggled my molecules.

576. OneBuckFilms - November 26, 2008

560 – Essentially, the Warp Field is a bubble in spacetime, referred to in Star Trek as “Subspace”, and the fabric of spacetime is expanded behind the ship, and compressed in front onf the ship, propelling her forward.

The most distant galaxies we are aware of are actually travelling faster than light as spacetime expands, so Einstein’s rules are certainly not as hard and fast as one might think.

577. barrydancer - November 26, 2008

Here’s my problem with the “everything had to happen as we knew it” theory. Say, what we know of Trek history, or future history, if you will starts at point A. Nero goes back to before point A, resulting in all these changes we’ve already seen. Timeline changed, everyting from A onword didn’t happen the same way, etc. But when Nero’s later born, if he’s born at all in thies new timeline, won’t he be growing up in a potentially totally different world, a world that doesn’t cause him to try to go back in time at all? So, how’d he go back to change things in the first place?

To me, anyway, it’s like the whole, you go back in time and kill your grandfather before your father is born deal.

Which is, again, why time travel stories make my head hurt. :)

578. AdamTrek - November 26, 2008

#573

Why does Mars have a blue sky?

Same reason.

579. Cush - November 26, 2008

Love it..two more trailers and all the good stuff will be shown..no reason to go to the movie! Showing the Spock card was the only reason why i was going…

580. DATA KILLED SPOT! - November 26, 2008

ENOUGH WITH THE SPOCKS! SHOW US MORE OF THE DARN SHIP!

pleeeeeeeeeese:-)

I want to see more of the Enterprise factory/ corporate headquarters.

pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pleeeeeeeese?

581. Daoud - November 26, 2008

#573, 578… Rayleigh scattering creates a blue sky when it’s filled with mostly nitrogen, or other colorless gas (actually, it’s preferentially violet scattering–we just see in blue at 10% the level we see red and green: if not we’d be blinded by the scattered violets and blues).

However, dust in the sky will create a yellowish-orange sky. This is what we generally see on Mars. The Rovers often beam back pictures of a reddish-vanilla sky. If there were no dust at all bouncing around, then the martian sky can get a bluish tinge.

I guess it was an atypical day on Vulcan, but isn’t that why they have a JPL/Caltech science advisor on board? Advise!!

However, boborcieeeeeeeeeeeee has plenty of time left to note to ILM to color-correct the Vulcanian sky. Something just like Star Trek: Enterprise did would be perfect.

Let’s also hope that ILM is doing image work on the innards of the Enterprise so it doesn’t look so obviously a factory!!

After all, they’ve got time until at least early April to do more! Paramount can afford it, this thing is going to shatter all Star Trek movie records, and bring in Star Wars level bucks….

582. That One Guy - November 26, 2008

The blue is created by the fact that oxygen absorbs primarily blue light wavelengths. Hence, why the oceans are blue and why the sky is blue.

The Vulcan sky is blue because, obviously, there is oxygen. They breathe oxygen. Otherwise, Spock would be dead.

583. Cobalt 1365 - November 26, 2008

564 – No fur, but you can find the best outfitted mountaineers wearing goose down jackets and sleeping bags

Oh yeah, and that spock guy they stuck in the trailer, he looks pretty cool.

\\//,

584. Trek Nerd Central - November 26, 2008

Well, this is all too cool. Four Spocks now? I may faint away from overexcitement.

But what do you think, friends? Do you think our endless appetite and capacity for Spock-counting makes us out to be some sort of. . . I don’t know. . . dorks?

I do have a life. Just sayin’.

585. Donn - November 26, 2008

577: This kind of paradox is generally why, in Star Trek, when somebody goes into the past and “changes” it, it turns out all along that he was always meant to do that, to produce the very timeline that he has always known, and causes him to go back in the first place. I think that’s the best way to look at the new movie; that it doesn’t produce a new timeline at all.

“TCOTEOF” is problematic, because McCoy’s change, saving Edith, which results in the Enterprise no longer being there (Marty McFly style), ought to also result in the crew never having beamed down to the planet, and the change never having happened… it does give you a headache, as Janeway once said. I suppose you could say the Guardian projects a special field that “protects” beings nearby from the effects of timeline change, so they can perceive it, but it’s really kind of a hacked concept. This is why they always “reset” the universe by the end, so nothing changed and you don’t have to go from week to week feeling like nothing matters, because every time travel episode results in a new timeline.

586. Captain Scokirk - November 26, 2008

To paraphrase Jean-Luc himself:

“There are FOUR SPOCKS!”

587. DATA KILLED SPOT! - November 26, 2008

586.

WRONG AGAIN! THERE ARE FIVE!

*uses pain device*

And Nero is the fifth!!!!!! (OMG! DID I JUST RUIN THE MOVIE? )

588. Captain Scokirk - November 26, 2008

That spoonhead torturer sure looked alot like Chancellor Gorkon, and Federation Ambassador St. John Talbot

589. Matt Wright - November 26, 2008

So “War Begins” and “Down With the Enterprise” are effectively the same piece of music aside from minor orchestral choices. I hope one or other is properly licenced from the other.

590. Denial - Ain't just a river in Egypt - November 26, 2008

Well, I say we only *see* 3 Spocks. We don’t actually see the baby Spock in the picture with Amanda. It could be a yummy salami in the blanket. I suppose it could be a baby Spock, but let’s not jump to conclusions.

591. Captain Scokirk - November 26, 2008

Maybe its not salami but cheese, and Lucy and ethel will have to eat it to avoid paying duty on it.

592. Driver - November 26, 2008

The upcoming four chapter comic series will have even more Spocks, including

Wise Cracking Kid Spock

Teen Angst Spock

Knarly Dude Spock

and Emasculated Henpecked Spock

593. Jovan - November 26, 2008

#145: I’ll see you at opening day. ;)

594. McCoy's Gall Bladder - November 26, 2008

The secret Spock in the movie has to be Beatnik Poet Spock with goatee and kung fu grip.

Instead of being Evil, this Spock hangs out in smoky bars, beats on bongos and recites Haiku.

Yeah, Brother!

That’s the part of the bar scene that isnt shown in the trailer.

Mayhaps the Shat is singing, “I want to sex you up” while Beatnik Spock taps out a rhythm on the bongos.

More than halfway to 1701 posts!

595. ucdom - November 26, 2008

#582

Sorry mate, not correct. It’s not absorption but multiple scattering of light by N2 and O2 sized molecules. I agree that Vulcan’s sky would probably be blue, although a shed-load of red dust would make it red or pink. Or if the atmosphere was very thick and dense (which would kind of need Vulcan to be a bigger planet than Earth) would give a much longer light path – this would redden the light in the same way as a low Sun on Earth looks redder because of the long slant path.

Alternatively, Vulcan could orbit a red dwarf star, making the light instrinsically more… red. Isn’t it meant to be 40 Eridani canonistas???
Well 40 Eridani is a triple star system (really) with a K-type red dwarf, a white dwarf, and a highly variable M-type red dwarf.

596. Rip Canon - November 26, 2008

In the Chekov picture there is a guy standing next to the elevator door that looks like he’s in the middle of taking a piss.

Just a little something I thought I should share with my fellow Trekkies.

Happy Thanksgiving!

597. Fatman Bruno - November 26, 2008

575. red right hand of ab rams – November 26, 2008
#440. damn fatman bruno, im dizzy too. i got the first part now about spock saving the kirks, here is where I need a little clarification. I’m in a muddy haze

“The future sightings of spock are actually before the confrontation with Nero, Spock is travelling back in various pockets of time to find the actual moment where he can make a difference”

Now this is where I cant wrap my mind around. could you disect a little clearer for me, or maybe MIND MELD it to me? sorry for the retardation, but the transporter beam has jiggled my molecules.

O.k. one more time,
Prime Spock is travelling back through various stages of time in his timeship trying to find out where Nero made the changes to the timeline, his finale call will be at the destruction of the USS Kelvin at which point Prime Spock sacrifices his self/or his ship by stopping Nero vaporising baby Kirks escaping shuttle craft, later in the film when we meet Prime Spock on the ice planet it could either be an earlier timeline for Prime Spock before his noble sacrifice or he could be have been stranded there (having survived the USS Kelvin massacre) waiting for Scotty and Kirk to show up.
I foresee arguements about either of those possible outcomes but that’s what I extrapelated from the Trailer clips

what does everyone else think….?

598. montreal paul - November 26, 2008

596. Rip Canon

You’re about 2 weeks late with that one.. and about the 500th person with the same lame joke.

599. dyaleleon - November 26, 2008

Four Spocks… I guess you’re right … I’ve never been that good at math ….

600. fred - November 26, 2008

But I’m not talking scientific reasons why Vulcan’s sky may be blue… I’m talking well-established precedents in every prior Trek. Vulcan has a red sky… anything else is an excuse for the new movie.

601. Stringfellow Hawke - November 26, 2008

I think Spock isn’t as old as appears. Vulcans are susceptible to frostbite and icicle-brows, too!

Otherwise, I think this reworked trailer gels better than the first release.

602. Jorg Sacul - November 26, 2008

Ok, everyone’s talking about every scene in this trailer but one. How does Spock manage to chuck Kirk off of the ship?? Wouldn’t this tend to attract attention?

“Say, Cadet– I believe there to be several (what is your word) hotties in that escape pod.”

“Really? Cool” Kirk hops in pod, Spock slams hatch shut. “Hey,.. MisterSpock– I.don’t.see.any.hotties.here! Spock pushes “launch” button.

“Live long and prosper, foolish human!” Spock chuckled to himself, covering it with a fake cough as he watches the pod spiral towards the icy world below.

603. Xplodin' Nacelle - November 26, 2008

Now all we need is David Warner to ask us, “How many Spocks do you see?” ,”Five?”

THERE……ARE…….FOUR SPOCKS!!!”

Where’s Captain Picard when we need him? LOL.

604. You can't warp in a solar system - November 26, 2008

509

It’s the whole non canon thing. LOL I got that from a book i read That was set just after/ befoer generations where kirk Stretched out the warp nacelles like silly putty from the stars gravity. It just kills me that people are so up in arms about canon. Trek can be translated so many ways, who’s to say what did or didn’t happen in between episodes and movies? I thought that was why we watched Star Trek and why we are fans.

” There are always possibilities”

605. Captain Scokirk - November 26, 2008

Maybe Vulcan’s sky changes color throughout the day, and a reddish sky is at one time of day while a bluish sky is another, etc. The Vulcan Sky in treks 3 and 4 werent really that otherworldly just dusk/dawn lightish, certainly as opposed to amok time, vastly inconsistent throughout established episodes/films.

606. Fwise3 - November 26, 2008

#413

My guess would be: Primary Computer Access Program

607. Pat Payne - November 26, 2008

Three Spocks? Four Spocks? Meh. All that’s important is that the movie has THE Spock,.

608. Wes - November 26, 2008

So, when will they show the Shatner scenes?

609. Richard Daystrom - November 26, 2008

My god, you would think it was the second coming of you know who! OK, it’s Leonard Nimoy!

Oh and 608th!!!!

610. Richard Daystrom - November 26, 2008

Curse you Wes!!

611. Sc00ny - November 26, 2008

#562. Canonfornication

No Jeff Bridges in ‘Tron’- 1982 and next in ‘TR2N’-2011.
“9 years. Is that the record?!

612. Sc00ny - November 26, 2008

Sorry, typo- 29 years. Doh. I need to quit drugs!!

613. Mikey1091 - November 26, 2008

YES! I wanted to see Nimoy and it somehow comes true! THANK YOU PARAMOUNT!

614. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - November 26, 2008

515 24th Century Rockstar — Indeed, I agree with your breakdown of the fate of Kirk, Picard & Soran in Genesis completely. You demonstrate how it is a prime example of execrably poor writing. It’s what I meant in my post by “unnecessary”, but lacked the motivation and time to expound upon. Thanks.

615. John Sullivan - November 26, 2008

RE: 379 responding to 375
QUOTE:
How about #11:

When Picard says he needs you to help fight Soran on Veridian III, tell him to just go back to the frakking Enterprise-D and arrest him! :-)

… LOL! :)

I wish I had all night because I could post all of the things Spock would tell Kirk. The S.S. Botany Bay never launched in 1996, we were so far spared the promised Euginics Wars, and the jury is still out as to the rest of Star Trek’s past. There are 3 possibilities:

1) In our own heads, there is only one linear reality in our heads to explain the Fiction of Star Trek we love, and I fall deeply into this canon category even to the point of being offended when the bridge in TAS replaced the 12-sided one in TOS, and they couldn’t even keep it straight whether that door left of the Bridge was the ramp to the toilet or a 2nd Turbolift, even though all I ever saw there was an environmental control panel made up of Project Mercury level switches and blinking computer octal translators predating something that came out later called GUI’s. For those of us who have spent so much money over the years supporting our Team Trek … OF COURSE we all get upset when the corporate lawyers won’t refund us when they go about softly and sweely reinventing the franchise over the years. Kind of like what happened here in Tampa when the American League Tampa Bay Devil Rays changed their name to the Tampa Bay Rays but wouldn’t refund the money of a lot of ticked off customers – or even credit for an upgrade.

2) To move this to the Trek World, imagine that many rivers are possible, but only one has the boat the sails the one called reality as we know it – or as it will happen. This is a theory I believe in, which is why I distinctly argue with the top theorical phycisists who state that multiple layers of alternate reality can all be reality. If that is the case might as well just jump off a bridge tonight, knowing that where I am in a thousand other places in alternate Universes I’ll still be happy and successful and get to heaven even as things go wrong in the reality that I know it here.

Nope. Ain’t gonna happen, so if I go to heaven or not depends on where this boat is today, even if a thousand things in the past, were they to happen diffrently, might have changed where I am today, for better or for worse. With that having been said, I strongly believe that JJ Abrams – and everyone knows I am not a huge fan of his by any measure, wants to gently within the context of the Star Trek Universe not dismiss what we “know” what will come, but to move the 1 and only 1 “real” “boats” of the reality of Star Trek from one river channel to another, in essense not dismissing the Star Trek that we know but indeed explaining why a turn was made at a fork in the river to go down a different path that is not a simultaneously existing “alternate Universe,” but rather simply a different path for the real Universe from the one inertia was going towards without the visit back in time by Spock in lieu of the new one created by his visit.

People connected to this movie long ago told me that this is sort of where this is going … not because a lot of fans wanted to go to the Studio Head to royally dismiss, tick off, and disrespect existing Star Trek fans … but rather they see this as sort of a parallel to the creativity within the film … to restore Star Trek to its rightful place as a commercial success, and one that deserves far more than just to do what Berman and Braga too often did, and that is to sell even toilet paper with the label on it and expect brand loyaty to carry the day. The message in the film is indicative of a larger restoration of the natural order of things by trying to dismiss whatever went wrong, and unfortunately a lot of TOS TAS TNG DS9 and VOY DVD’s are going to be rolled over in the process – even though in the alternate world where this Star Trek belonged to – the one about to change by all of this, is now an open book where unlike TOS, we no longer know exactly where this is all going to lead.

3) The new people know nothing about Star Trek except to make movies about round control rooms with elevators that make your molecules crumple into a subspace antenna only to be uncrumpled thousands of miles away, and pistols that shoot red water streams, and cellphones that are always on speaker mode, and because someone at Viacom knows someone at Paramount who knows Jack from Investor Relations and Jill from Venture Capitol they want to take advantage of the familiar Star Trek Brand Name, they want to put out toilet Paper like B&B did and expect it to sell … but this time with more familiar names than Archer, T’Pol, and Trip … and this time to a wider audience than UPN could ever dream of having.

My big bet on this is something like “All Of The Above,” where they need to somehow make this a sequel to the Enterprise series so few saw, while maintaining the connection to the linear possibility in the Star Trek as so may have known it by simply having Spock come back in time to alter the course of future history just by his visit, and all the while to do so in a way that is in the best traditions of living the Star Trek possibilities of the future, but this time down an altered reality which takes on the boat of reality formerly down a different river, but this time through the new one that we as viewers and Star Trek Fans and disconnected fans can all enjoy together.

One can go to http://www.endlesswonder.com/images/ENTVisit.jpg to see Spock as envisioned in my own fiction – which again I do thank the production STAFF ( far different than the producers) for their kind compliments in honestly telling me what was inspirational and what they thought was off-the-planet B.S. For the record, I do consider Captain Winter to be the first Captain of the Enterprise launched in 2245, when Jim Kirk was 6 months old, and when Pavel Chekov wouldn’t even be around for even more than a decade after that. Captain April was the First Officer reluctantly forced to assume Command and then the first trip was to Vulcan … but to bury Jonathan Archer and T’Pol there. It’s a long story – too long a story, but for the fact that shortly after the launch Pike would be named after that once April decided he would have been a great First Officer, but wasn’t cut out to be Captain, and for the next 13 years we get to see Pike in Charge before Kirk takes command. Of course my whole theory gets blown to “7734 upside down” when Morrow tells Kirk in Star Trek III – much after the establishment of this Star Trek history mainly written by the series developers, Roddenberry, Fontana, and others – that “The Enterprise is 20 years old.” Perhaps like Chekov Morrow comes from a planet where being two decades old means a lot more in Earth years.

SO … don’t sweat it.

In 1996 the Botany Bay and the Eugenics Wars came and went … and so obviously already Star Trek history as we knew it came and went. So, sit back and enjoy the Star Trek that comes from the changes, and please just roll with the changes, and adapt to them, and love them, and then you’ll have what we all once had back in the day … an open book with a bookmark in the present, with a lot of blurry pictures in the past, and with a blank slate for the future. Long live Star Trek!

616. red right hand of ab rams - November 26, 2008

#597 Fatman Buron “Prime Spock is travelling back through various stages of time in his timeship trying to find out where Nero made the changes to the timeline, his finale call will be)

( at the destruction of the USS Kelvin at which point Prime Spock sacrifices his self/or his ship by stopping Nero vaporising baby Kirks escaping shuttle craft, later in the film when we meet Prime Spock on the ice planet it could either be an earlier timeline for Prime Spock before his noble sacrifice or he could be have been stranded there (having survived the USS Kelvin massacre) waiting for Scotty and Kirk to show up.
I foresee arguements about either of those possible outcomes but that’s what I extrapelated from the Trailer clips”)

For the first part I dont think its possible because ti would mean he has easy access to time travel if he is doing a “spot by spot search”.

For the second part, it looks pretty sensible as a theory. it sounds pretty cool as a theory, actually. Now just because i dont agree with yoru frist part doesnt mean I have a better theory, i just think that part is far reaching. but this second part here…hmmm…sounds very spock-like!

617. Plum - November 26, 2008

^^^

Red Right Hand of Abrams! lol! Nike Cave fans are usually X-Files fans aren’t they. *chuckle*

Love that JJ gave us Spock in this (Nimoy). Obviously, he’s giving us Trekkies a bonus. Thanx JJ, don’t think for a micron some of us old Trekkies aren’t thrilled!

618. red right hand of ab rams - November 26, 2008

#617 Plum
Sorry if I came off as an X-files fan (I really tried to like them, but i could only see each film once and dabbled in the series long ago because my then-gf was addicted).

I am a trek fan but not really a trek fan now (that goes against my name, I know, but that’s why the hand is RED). I just cant get into this new version (seatbelts on the Big-E??) though the Big E does look nice,. I was never one to bash each version of the Big-E, in fact I have welcomed each incarnation cuz I just like star ships! If more star trek regs were added, like Riker (who clearly wants back in), or Uhura, Chekov or Sulu (who is interested in continuing, I hear), Rand or really anyone else, I might bite, but with just Spock, it seems a bit off to me. Not that I’m against you if YOU dig this new incursion, but…this ain’t my cup of romulan ale…which I am drinking right now, by the way. Hey, it’s the holidays and they just added the clip of ol’ Spock! (p.s. don’t let “the man” know what i just said. this is strictly between, you, this board, and abrams red right hand)

619. Harry Ballz - November 26, 2008

Cost of new movie: $150 million
Cost of screenplay: $1.2 million
Cost of JJ Abrams: $4.5 million

Having Nimoy in the movie: Priceless!!

620. Fast Attax - November 26, 2008

Ensign Joe, DaveO & others: Thanks for the info on the music as well as the links!

621. Teleportation Girl - November 26, 2008

Well, Thanksgiving is a time of abundance! :)

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone around the galaxy and beyond!

622. silver_viper - November 26, 2008

#487 I agree. Is his next line “Failed I have. Into exile I must go.”

623. Plum - November 26, 2008

618. red right hand of ab rams – November 26, 2008

#617 Plum
Sorry if I came off as an X-files fan (I really tried to like them, but i could only see each film once and dabbled in the series long ago because my then-gf was addicted).

Don’t be sorry! Devoted X-Files guy here!

… and relax. We old Trekkies are thrilled to see OUR version is still the best! Back in 1966 Trek looked young and sexy. Where else to begin again? :)

I do hope JJ Abrams plays THIS version of the teaser… I can just imagine the CHEERS in the theatre at the end when old Nimoy says ‘live long and prosper’. Man, classic! Wooooooo!

624. trekkie-elf - November 26, 2008

Even at age 70-whatever, Leonard Nimoy still evokes fangirl squeals from me :P

625. ccfl - November 26, 2008

love the trailer. but please don’t tell me that i’m the only one that noticed that after kirk says, “buckle up”, that spock’s uniform patch is backwards,,,meaning it’s on the left, and not the right side. but only seems to be in that one seen. at any rate, i can’t wait to see the movie.

626. freezejeans - November 26, 2008

610

LOL

627. red right hand of ab rams - November 26, 2008

#623 Plum Yeah, i’m a BIT HAPPY about Nimoy back as spock, but not in this manner. but you know, we got a life to live and star trek is special to the original 7 and the 5 that are left. I wouldnt have done anything different. However, this STILL ain’t my cup of romulan ale. and I will take the original cast any way I can get them but the only remake fella I dig is URBAN as bones, the rest, no, i can’t flop down my bucks on…I dont wanna offend you, cuz i understand you must be excited, you got a reason cuz spock is back in the seat, but really, if spock or no one else were in this, IT WOULD BE A DISMISSIVE PARODY to me. I do have the remastered 3 series I am still engaged in now over the holidays and hope there is a remastered 1-7 series. and Plum, I wanna say, i am glad shat ain’t in this, but from his perspective, seein his pal Nimoy, I’d wanna grace the screen once more as SPock n Kirk….I don’t buy this new incarnation…

628. Father Robert Lyons - November 26, 2008

I am now seeing the trailer in (almost literally) a while new light…

I just bought a 22 inch HDTV for my home office to use for both TV and the Computer. Now I can see the trailer in HD… and I have picked out so many more details… it’s amazing!

629. Canon Father - November 27, 2008

Wow, do I feel lousy! I threw up every time somebody here used the word “canon.” That’s a lot of barfing.

I’m sorry, but these canon arguments sound so stupid. Trek has, on a regular basis, rewritten its own history, its own “canon” in order to create new stories. Numerous canon violations can be found in all series and movies. It is amusing to hear some of you try to explain those violations. You’re no different than somebody explaining away the blatant New Testament contradictions.

Folks, there is no canon. Why won’t you accept this?

630. red right hand of ab rams - November 27, 2008

#629, you are (like closettrekker and xai) two people i see on this board who seem “anti-trek”. and hell-bent on bashing out anyone who thinks different than you based on a belief they have held true and dear for many, many years. isn’t it enough they can only speak their minds here, this is just a forum. they can do nothing to change what will be (and i share their sadness). let them express themselves or this country (and star trek’s future) won’t be worth a bucket of piss. you can express yourself, why can’t they? now I do know this is a militant fascist board where only pro-reinvention is permitted without omission, but really, who are they hurting? they are not hurting me,. they are just expressions. if you are so anti-canon and anti-trek, then go watch bond. why cant YOU accept that they just dont agree with you? if everyone in the world agreed, there wouldnt be this trek reimagining either, would there? what IS the purpse of your name, canon father, anyway?

631. Jim Nightshade - November 27, 2008

#596 Rip Canon and #362 Dr Image…Well….We always wondered and I have also read discussions on this website about where the bathroom was on the bridge? Well I think in that still with Chekov You guys are right…so maybe that roll of duct tape on Chekovs station is really gray colored toilet paper..hmmmm….maybe Chekov is really…oh nevermind heheh

Re the Spock trailer….Reminded me of the closing ceremonies for Star Trek The Experience in Vegas…..Spock signs from the crowd came up twice, once when April Hebert was brought out to a standing ovation which she deserved every minute of, and the ending of the ceremony when many hands thrusted skyward in the Vulcan Salute….brought a tear to my eye and so does Mr Nimoy once again doing the classic Spock phrase….

Thanks Bob Orci and JJ for this nod to us fans! KAH PLOW! or however its spelled to your Awesome looking movie guys! Thanks again

632. Anthony Pascale - November 27, 2008

red right hand
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633. Shatner_Fan_Prime - November 27, 2008

#572 … Very true. But … none of those other actors played the same role over the course of 45 years!

This is something absolutely special we’re getting from Leonard.

634. red right hand of ab rams - November 27, 2008

#632 whyy are some people here allowed to bash other fans? why cant EVERYONE have their own comments? there is no right or wrong fan. there is no trolling. it seems though u have your favorites here. that is not right. some people express their opinions on what they think is ‘canon’ and other think there should not be., so i am saying that both groups should be allowed their opinion and not be bashed for it. if people can not speak their opinion, then this board should not exist for anyone. and for all kinds of people to exist side by side, is that not trek? is that not the vision of roddenberry? we are all here, like you one-sidedly say, as trek fans, but it seems that there is just one opinion allowed here. fatman brunlo and I discuss and disagree yet dont bash each other. why cant everyone not bash? why dont you warn others for their bashing? yes, i know, i have spoken out and will be banned probably. but I stand behind my words. trek is for EVERYONE. why is it for you to determine who is the right or wrong type of fan? ooh, mirror, mirror is coming on! goa-tee, spock!

635. Canon Father - November 27, 2008

630. red right hand of ab rams – I love you to death. I’m not bashing you, man, I’m just stating my own opinion. I can’t help it if you perceive it as an attack.

Smooch!

My name is a play on the term “cannon fodder” by the way, since you asked.

636. Michael makes it so... - November 27, 2008

and now its more perfect!!!!! why May? i dont think i can wait that long!

637. Dom - November 27, 2008

577. Hawking’s theory is that if we travel back in time, a new parallel universe is automatically created. So, to all intents, when Spock and Nero leave the TNG Trek universe, they have gone for good. The TNG universe carries on as before, the timeline unaffected.

Nero and Spock arriving in the past automatically puts them in a new universe. If Spock travels back to the future of that universe, there will be another Spock there (an older version of Quinto’s) and potentially another Nero, who might not have grown up the same way.

So, really, everyone should be happy. Forty years of history aren’t erased by this film and we get a Universe-2 on top of that! Check out Back to the Future 2 for one of the best examples of characters getting stuck in a parallel universe!

638. Cervantes - November 27, 2008

#637 Dom

Your not making my head hurt any less! :)

639. Admiral_Bumblebee - November 27, 2008

#637
I always wonder… This movie is mainly for a new audience, the general movie-goer, Joe Average.
A story about alternate timelines, new universes, timelines changed etc. is not too complicated for Joe Average who sits in the cinema with his six-pack wanting to see space ships blow up?
I don’t unterstand. On the one hand they want to open up Star Trek for a new, general audience because the “old Star Trek” was too complicated and then they come up with this story about alternate universes??

640. Random Red Shirt - November 27, 2008

My thoughts on this trailer.

This new trailer with old Spock actually is the original; however, someone at Paramount considered it “too trekker”.

Then, they did a quick edit removing the overused “Live long and prosper” scene.

However, this was made in the last minute; hence, they didn’t have enough time to make enough copies of the edited version to distribute. That’s why the trailer wasn’t shown in several (most?) runs of QoS.

My opinion, of course.

641. commander K, USS Sovereign - November 27, 2008

I think its a bit messy putting Nero’s bit in the middle..it just doesnt fit there.

Nevertheless, I love the music over this trailer..EPIC.

642. Cervantes - November 27, 2008

The music in this trailer is indeed terrific, even though it’s sourced from elsewhere, and will NOT be in the actual Movie. I sure hope that the score from Michael Giacchino has a cue that is as good as this one in it. A great score can do wonders for whatever is shown by the Director.

643. HSIV - November 27, 2008

speaking of the trailer score, #642…where DOES the track used in the trailer come from?

644. Alex Rosenzweig - November 27, 2008

#629 – “Wow, do I feel lousy! I threw up every time somebody here used the word “canon.” That’s a lot of barfing.”

I think there are some good meds for that. ;)

“I’m sorry, but these canon arguments sound so stupid. Trek has, on a regular basis, rewritten its own history, its own “canon” in order to create new stories. Numerous canon violations can be found in all series and movies. It is amusing to hear some of you try to explain those violations. You’re no different than somebody explaining away the blatant New Testament contradictions.”

I think most fans understand that Star Trek’s fictional world is not perfect. Yes, there have been contradictions. Except perhaps for the very earliest parts of TOS, though, and one or two fairly noticeable ones in early TNG, those contradictions have been pretty minor. Recognizing that this was a group of TV series and movies, though, fans turned reconciling those contradictions into a game, and over the years, we got pretty good at it. And, y’know… It’s fun! It’s a challenge to the creativity, and it kept people interested and conversing for a long time.

In the end, though, there was always one thing underpinning it all: As a creative choice, perfect or not, the people making the Star Trek TV series and films defined them as being part of the same fictional world. (This hasn’t stopped some fans from declaring that one or another of the series happens in an alternate universe, anyway, but that’s obviously not what the producers intended.) And, frankly, a lot of work went into keeping enough consistent that the concept that it’s all one fictional world holds together pretty well.

Until now.

This is the first time in which, via whatever machinations, we are being presented with a story that has as its intent the severing of that linkage between that previous world and whatever this movie is creating, so much so that some of the core elements of the original set of characters are being “rewritten” (or so we think; as said elsewhere, there’s much about this film that we don’t know).

“Folks, there is no canon. Why won’t you accept this?”

If we’re defining canon to mean general continuity, the answer is that many people won’t accept your claim because they feel it to be inaccurate. It makes the assertion that because the fictional world hasn’t been perfect and consistent in every detail, consistency doesn’t matter, and most folks disagree with taking it to that extreme.

645. Mugz - November 27, 2008

I’m concerned what will happen AFTER this movie. One film perhaps every one and a half years if we’re lucky? That means the 5 year mission will be over pretty fast or they’ll all visibly age a little too much per film! Unless this new movie is a one-off and stands alone? I’m very curious what the have in mind should this film be a success. If the timeline has been altered will there even BE a 5 year mission?

– Mugz

646. Mike T. - November 27, 2008

I agree with Alex Rosenzweig, some Trek fans worry too much about canon. Hell, even the real world doesn’t stick to canon, with history books being altered or rewritten as new facts are discovered. Examples, who really invented the telephone first? Who really made it to the New World first: the Vikings or Columbus? (notice I didn’t say discovered since people were living here for hundreds of years before either party arrived).
Think of Trek like the real world, the history depends on who is writing it, and JJ. Abrams Trek is revisionist history. Stop complaining and enjoy the ride. We could always have no Trek coming in May, and I for one can’t wait and hope they give our old series (TNG, DS9, Voy, Ent.) the direct to DVD treatment.

Happy Thanksgiving

647. digital garbage » New Star Trek trailer - November 27, 2008

[…] by Leonard Nimoy.  I’ve substituted the video for the updated trailer.  (H/T to TrekMovie.com.)  The older trailer can be found here. […]

648. Alex Rosenzweig - November 27, 2008

#645 – If the intent is to do a trilogy of sorts, I always thought it’d be pretty cool to do one movie for the beginning, as we’re getting, one set in the midst of the five-year mission, and then one to portray the end of that mission and the ship’s return home.

649. ANDREA - November 27, 2008

i think the new movie will an astonish tribute, probably we will see a kind of star trek II and III put together, Kirk have sacrified his son searching for spock, so i think at the end, the new movie will be the search for Kirk after all, Spock time travel will be to save the life of his friend, Spock remember the what kirk have sacrified for him, and their great friendship, will be the central plot in this new movie, and i hope, near the ned of the movie, the old spock come back to the future will discover his old friend live again.

i truly hope for that, i know JJ will gift us this great emotional scene!

i know and i hope…..

kirk “why you have come back in this dangerous journey”

Spock “cause the needs of the few count much more of the needs of many”

650. Alex Rosenzweig - November 27, 2008

#646 – “I agree with Alex Rosenzweig, some Trek fans worry too much about canon.”

Just to be clear here… I never said that attention shouldn’t be paid to previously-established continuity. I said that dismissing it out-of-hand because it hasn’t been perfect is not an argument that many folks (including me!) support.

I’m all good, in cases where there had been contradiction, with the Trek “Supreme Court” choosing an interpretation for the purpose of telling the story. I am *not* good with throwing out what had been previously-established and *not* contradicted, especially when there’s no compelling need to do so.

“We could always have no Trek coming in May,”

We have multiple Trek stories coming in May already. We’d have Trek in May, with or without this movie. I’m just sayin’… :)

“and I for one can’t wait and hope they give our old series (TNG, DS9, Voy, Ent.) the direct to DVD treatment.”

And Classic TOS to that list, and I completely agree. :)

I don’t think Direct-to-DVD is the backwater it used to be, and I wonder if Paramount/CBS is missing the boat in not exploiting that medium.

“Happy Thanksgiving”

Right back at ya’, and to everyone else reading, as well!

651. P Technobabble - November 27, 2008

I would imagine the Supreme Court has already been kicking around ideas for what comes next. There is a tendency in Hollywood that sequels always have to be bigger, faster, more, more, more than the previous. I hope if it is a trilogy of sorts that the story will come before a bigger, faster, more, more, more kind of movie, which always tends to be a let down…
Of course, once THIS movie comes out there will be plenty of room to speculate about what the next film might be. I, for one, would not mind seeing 3 stand-alone films; I don’t think we necessarily need a 3-part story, and I, personally, hate waiting 2 years to find out what happens next…
I also think #648 Alex R’s idea of the mission beginning, middle and ending is a great idea. Seeing the end of the first 5-year mission would be interesting, since we’ve never seen that before, either.

652. Dom - November 27, 2008

651

Yeah, then we can get a sequel trilogy set between TMP and TWOK, which culminates with Kirk’s retirement and Spock’s promotion to Captain!

653. lostrod - November 27, 2008

Now that I’ve watched this trailer dozens of times …

Has anyone else thought it odd that an advanced society would leave a gigantic chasm unprotected so that cars, animals, small children etc were at risk?

Why not sometime of railing or force field? I know it makes for a stunning visual, but really doesn’t make much sense to me.

654. lostrod - November 27, 2008

And yes, I realise young Kirk drives through a gate. Not much of a deterrant.

And the road leads straight to the edge. What would be the purpse of that?

655. Jamie - November 27, 2008

Question: is Nimoy generally regarded as a better actor than Shatner among Trekkies?

From reading all the comments on this site, it would appear that Nimoy is the favourite. People seem to be in complete awe of his talents, less than they are of Shatner.

Not to belittle Nimoy, but in my personal opinion I think it’s much harder to act “human” like Kirk than to act unemotional like Spock. That’s not to say Nimoy isn’t a great actor, but if I were going to pick the better actor it would absoultely have to be Shatner.

656. Canon Father - November 27, 2008

If you’ve seen Nimoy play Vincent Van Gogh and his brother Theo on stage, you might have a different opinion on who can act better. I give Leonard the nod. His range is greater than Shatner’s, though Shat is better at being funny.

657. New Horizon - November 27, 2008

655. Jamie –

Well, being an actor myself…I can definitely tell you that it is much harder to play an unemotional character than an emotional one….unless you happen to naturally be a vulcan.

Generally, it’s easier to over act than it is to pull a performance back and be subtle. Now, playing a vulcan is like pulling a performance back and multiplying by 10x. You can’t express or convey things in a natural way. Aside from Mark Leonard…I don’t think any of the vulcans after them were able to bring the same level of believability to the race.

Shatner is good with the right material, but Nimoy has a far wider range.

658. Jamie - November 27, 2008

656 & 657, Thanks, that is interesting info.

As a TNG fan, I wonder: do you think Brent Spiner comes anywhere close to Nimoy in terms of performance? And would you agree that Patrick Stewart is simply the greatest of them all? :)

659. lostrod - November 27, 2008

#658:

No and No.

Happy Thanksgiving!

660. Anthony Pascale - November 27, 2008

RE: right hand of abrams
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This site has seen many thousands of comments this month alone. Clearly there are a variety of opinions. I dont really care what your opinion is about anything, just that people are civil and all realize that in the end we are all in this together, we are all Star Trek fans.

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661. Canon Father - November 27, 2008

I’m not particularly impressed with Brent Spiner. He has nowhere near the gravitas of Nimoy.

Frankly, when it comes to the stereotypical inhuman Star Trek character striving to be human, Robert Picardo pulled it off much better, though I pretty much loathe Voyager. Picardo was one of the few bright spots in the series.

Patrick Stewart is one of the greatest of them all, but I refuse to put anybody in the top position. Well, except for Seven of Nine. She can be on top.

Sorry about saying that. I debated for a while against saying it, but I lost the debate.

662. Xai - November 27, 2008

654. lostrod – November 27, 2008

“And the road leads straight to the edge. What would be the purpse of that?”

To get ground equipment to the site/quarry.

663. HSIV - November 27, 2008

does anyone know where i can find the EXACT form of the track used in the 2nd trailer? a variant of it is on the children of dune soundtrack but i want the exact form used in the trailer please..

and anthony, please, if someone posts a link to the track im asking for a download link to, please dont delete it since tons of others aside from me want the track too :)

664. HSIV - November 27, 2008

313—you’re missing that since spock is only half-vulcan his likely lifespan would top out at 150-165 which means soon after nemesis he’d be as old as he was in the trailer…

however factoring on a standard vulcan lifespan its possible spock came from approximately the year 2430

oh and to BOB ORCI: please have a talk with jj about maybe sipping britney spears’ ‘womanizer’ song into the bar scene where kirk gets his ass kicked after tryin to hookup with uhura…its as if that songs a freakin jim kirk theme song :) lol better yet if theres still time why not go back and film new footage to tack onto the bar scene where kirk meets carol marcus, who, being played by britney herself, sings ‘womanizer’ in the bar via karaoke :) either way plz get jj to release an actual real-song soundtrack album to accompany the film in addition to the score :)

HAPPY THANKSGIVING EVERYONE

665. HSIV - November 27, 2008

560—get it right…spacetime would be compressed BEHIND the ship and expanded in FRONT of the ship…think of how a pastry icing bag is used…you squeeze the rear of the bag and the pressure forces the icing out of the hole in the front…warp fields would work the same way…

to put it another way…its like milking a cow…

666. Sam Belil - November 27, 2008

Just as an FY — since my son and brother were sick today (Thanksgiving Day), my son and I have been watching season one TOS on DVD. Please refer to “Shore Leave” when Kirk is talking about his academy days and discussing Finnegan, Kirk described himself as being “grim” — a far cry from the “problem child/trouble making/rebel yell” Kirk we will be seeing in the new movie. Hopefully all of these contradictions in continuity will be logically and realistically explained in the movie. Happy Thanksgiving Day to All!!!!!

667. HSIV - November 27, 2008

correction lol my above correction was aimed at poster 576, not 560

668. New Horizon - November 27, 2008

658. Jamie –

I’ve seen Spiner perform as a lot of different characters outside of Trek, and yes…he has a very broad range. He just doesn’t get the chance to display it very often.

Patrick Stewart was simply an amazing choice for a Trek captain. He is a well rounded, powerful actor. Probably the best actor Trek has ever had for a captain.

669. Adam - November 27, 2008

To bring back Kirk without a long explanation could’ve been quite simple.. Old Spock tells Young Kirk about it in the past. I mean sure it’d be Un-Vulcan like per say… but as Spock got older, the more he mellowed, and the more he was able to accept his Human-Half… I can’t help but think of the line in Star Trek III where Spock says to Kirk… “My father says that you have been my friend, you came back for me.”… Besides, it’s not like Spock hasn’t broken the rules before…

670. Canon Father - November 27, 2008

It is ludicrous to expect that because Kirk says in an old episode of TOS that he was “grim” that he should be portrayed that way now in the new movie, forty years later. If that’s the kind of adherence to “canon” that you guys are asking for, you might as well not see the movie. You’re going to hate it. You’ll spend more time nitpicking it to death than watching it. How not fun is that?

Use your imagination. Maybe that’s the way Kirk saw himself, but not by others. We all carry impressions of ourselves that arent always accurate. That’s why I say there is no canon. Especially when you expect a ridiculous standard of rigidity to what has come before.

For the sake of the story, some things must change.

671. Sam Belil - November 27, 2008

#670 it’s not nitpicking, it’s about proper continuity — remember he was also referred to a pile of books on legs in Where No Man Has Gone Before. If you have bothered to read any of my prior posts you will see that I fully embrace this movie!!! I do reserve the right like others to voice my opinion and point out what I see as violations in the STTOS continuity. Yes some things must change — drastic change for the sake of change, is totally senseless!!!

672. Canon Father - November 27, 2008

Why do you guys keep acting like I’m saying you don’t have the right to voice your opinions? I’m not saying that.

Again, though, I’ll point out that Star Trek has often ignored past continuity and “canon” for the sake of their stories. I’d rather have a great new Star Trek film that ignores “canon” than a more stilted one because they were afraid to offend canonists.

If Kirk was a “grim pile of books” at the academy, he certainly wasn’t written that way. In fact, it’s an inconsistent personality description for the way the character was written and performed by Shatner.

Picard was a pile of books, Kirk was hardly a bookworm as portrayed in TOS and the movies. He was either wrestling, shirtless, with some other fellow, or wrestling, shirtless, with some comely alien gal, or riding horses, or chopping wood.

The Kirk you describe would not have become the Kirk we see on the Enterprise. Not by a long shot. They would be right to ignore this portrayal, in favor of a more dynamic portrayal. Kirk is, after all, dynamic.

This is, of course, my opinion. I’m not saying you guys are wrong, I’m just saying that I personally don’t understand your problems, and think that many of you are getting mired in worried little details that have little effect on whether this can be a good Star Trek movie or not. You’re looking at the lichen on the trees, when there’s a whole forest before you.

I’m fine with you doing this. Just trying to show there’s another way to look at it. You needn’t convert, you needn’t feel attacked, you needn’t feel like I’m trying to hush you.

673. Harry Ballz - November 28, 2008

Bless me, Canon Father for I have sinned…….it has been many years since my last desire for consistency of storyline, these are my concerns:

LET’S JUST HAVE A DAMN GOOD MOVIE!! ‘NUFF SAID!!

674. Mike Thompson (uk) - November 28, 2008

669

followed from Kirk “you would have done the same for me”

That was until Berman & co altered things……

In Generations Spock was originally on Enterprise B but an Older Spock should have appeared in the Future, he would have worked out what the Nexus was all about and what Soren was up to. That involvement might have gone Nimoy interested back then.

675. Chris Pike - November 28, 2008

661 Lol, a debate en masse as it were?!

676. McCoy's Gall Bladder - November 28, 2008

Jim Kirk seems to be based on Teddy Roosevelt.

TR was a weak kid that really had to push himself to be manly. Eventually TR became the most manly guy around. Especially after his wife died and he moved out west.

According to Ashes of Eden, Shatner claims Kirk’s “pain” was when Carol left with David. After that, he shifted into manly mode and became the Kirk we saw on TV.

677. Sam Belil - November 28, 2008

#672 — Again as I have stated it’s about proper continuity within the 45+ year history of Star Trek as we know it to be. First and foremost as I have stated many times already I will EMBRACE this film, and a fan ST since 1966 I WANT this film to succeed big time!! However you cannot ignore what I call (not so much canon) but clear continuity violations and to play devils advocate there is one way too many to simply “just accept” ….
….hopefully this movie will explain those multiple continuity violations! Again from day one (and I have stuck to my guns on this) — we’re clearly looking at an alternate timeline.

678. Steezo - November 28, 2008

I just noticed when Spock says, “I will not allow you to lecture me” you can see what looks like his breath steaming up glass right when he says the word “me.”

679. Shi Don Yu - November 28, 2008

I will NOT be seeing this steaming pile of crap that Paramount is trying to pass off as “Star Trek!” J J Abrams has made a shit sandwich that he’s hoping everyone will take a “bite” of it. Paramount is going to find out that they don’t like the taste of it, but they’ll end up having to eat it anyway.
As much as I hate to see it happen, this is the end of “Star Trek.”
Paramouint and J J Abrams have finally succeeded in pounding the final nail in the “Trek” coffin!

680. New Horizon - November 28, 2008

679. Shi Don Yu-

Heh, clever name….though not really.

You haven’t seen the movie yet…and if you never see it, then you’ll never know if it’s good or not. At least wait until others have seen it and base your decision on some word of mouth…instead of childish foot stomping. I doubt good word of mouth will make a difference in your case anyway, considering the majority of feedback on the scenes shown has been positive….and embraced by Trek fans to boot! If Trek fans liking it won’t even convince you to give it a chance, then you aren’t making an educated decision…you’re just being narrow minded and childish.

681. New Horizon - November 28, 2008

678. Steezo –

That’s glare from a light.

682. S. John Ross - November 28, 2008

#679: You’re being every bit as irrational as the “this movie will ROCK” nutjobs. Nobody’s seen it yet; maybe it rocks and maybe it sucks.

Eitther way, Paramount doeesn’t have the power to kill Star Trek; they can only kill the Star Trek _franchise._

And frankly, I think the death of the franchise might be one of the best things that could happen to further the life of Star Trek, so it’s kind of a win-win. If the movie rocks, we have a new Star Trek to enjoy that may succeed in revitalizing the show (and if it doesn’t revitalize the show, a movie is still a nice piece of tie-in fluff to enjoy). If the movie sucks, it could kill the franchise and free Star Trek to live on without Paramount mucking around with it.

683. Alex Rosenzweig - November 28, 2008

#670 – “It is ludicrous to expect that because Kirk says in an old episode of TOS that he was “grim” that he should be portrayed that way now in the new movie, forty years later. If that’s the kind of adherence to “canon” that you guys are asking for, you might as well not see the movie.
(snip)
Use your imagination. Maybe that’s the way Kirk saw himself, but not by others. We all carry impressions of ourselves that arent always accurate.”

Y’know, you finally said something that I agree with. What I think a lot of folks are missing is the essential dichotomy of the Kirk character, that he could be, by turns, terribly focused, and then “on the edge”. Perhaps he was “grim” in response to being hazed by Finnegan, but as time went along, he came into his own and enjoyed living on the edge for a while and sometimes getting into trouble, but even then learned that he couldn’t always show that side to underclassmen that *he* was teaching, so presented a different side to Gary Mitchell.

It’s not that hard, really…if someone cares to be true to what’s been established. It’s only when they stop caring and stop being creative that continuity seems to be a burden. It’s at that point that my sympathy goes away.

(It’s partly to prove that that I’m playing with ideas for how the story of the upcoming film could have been told in continuity. And, so far, the answer is: it could, and with almost ridiculous ease. I say “so far”, of course, because all I have to work with is what we’ve been shown, so the possibility remains that the final conclusion could change as we learn more. :) )

“That’s why I say there is no canon. Especially when you expect a ridiculous standard of rigidity to what has come before.”

Well, apparently you and I, at least, have a different interpretation of what “canon” means. In the Trek context, at least, “canon” is simply what’s been previously established on-screen. Presenting a context for offering a different interpretation of what’s been presented, without just outright saying “Forget about what was established”, isn’t breaking with canon at all.

Star Trek has experienced that sort of evolution of interpretation a lot over time, but its “canon” has held together because the new interpretations haven’t invalidated the old events/statements. They merely offer a new way of looking at them.

(e.g., in “Turnabout Intruder”, there’s a fairly ridiculous line from Janice Lester about women not being able to command starships, and obviously we don’t take it at face value today, although the writer may have meant it literally back then. But we don’t deny that the line was ever said; we simply interpret it to mean that Lester, in her own psychosis, was generalizing her own failings into a blanket statement to avoid facing her own flaws. The *line* stands. How we interpret it has changed, and no one bats an eye when we see female starship captains from Hernandez (Columbia) to Rabin (Farragut) to Alexander (Saratoga). )

I’ll agree that one has to be flexible enough to allow those interpretations. But I will not agree that just for the sake of a single story, well-established “facts” should simply be jettisoned. That’s the sort of thing we mean when we talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

684. Xai - November 28, 2008

630. red right hand of ab rams – November 27, 2008
“#629, you are (like closettrekker and xai) two people i see on this board who seem “anti-trek”. and hell-bent on bashing out anyone who thinks different than you based on a belief they have held true and dear for many, many years….”

I see my screen name mentioned with the words “anti-trek” in the same sentence. Who ever you are…you don’t know me or anyone else on this board. I am very much in favor of Star Trek. I want it to prosper. I have watched everything and loved it through the best and worst. I am a cautious optimist for this movie. I want a success but I realize it can still be bad, and I will wait to make a final judgement. I don’t see anything presented yet that I cannot embrace and enjoy. Certain elements will need explanation, but hopefully that comes with seeing the entire movie.
My biggest beef is other posters proclaiming “This is bad, horrible, etc., etc…” without having more information. (such as #679).
The “sex in the movie” story earlier in the week for example, stirred up a few people that proclaimed it will be smut.
No, it won’t. That would kill the movie. I don’t know how anyone can form any strong opinion either way yet. there just is not enough information out there.
And next time you decide to critique me, Post to me, don’t just throw my name in with others.

685. Marian Ciobanu - November 28, 2008

- I still can’t stand to see the old uniforms…some black uniforms having a horizontal stripe – with the color of the officer’s rank or speciality -around the chest are in my opinion more suitable…

686. Marian Ciobanu - November 28, 2008

- The ships should have name like : Pegasus,Magellan,Horizon,Titan,…This is STAR TREK….

687. New Horizon - November 28, 2008

685. Marian Ciobanu –

Then watch Next Gen or Deep Space 9. Nothing wrong with the uniforms. They look great.

688. HSIV - November 28, 2008

686–JJ ABRAMS named the kelvin after one of HIS FAMILY…and I bet you think rick berman shouldve made this film, too…GET OVER IT…new guard, new headmaster, new trek!

go with the flow b4 anthony pulls a new spock and ejects u in an escape pod onto an ice planet!

689. Ken Hoyas jr - November 28, 2008

More Nimoy, less 90210.

Where is Shatner?

690. AJ - November 28, 2008

686:

How about the USS Tsiolkovskiy (Naked Now)? In Cyrillic, no less.

691. Dom - November 28, 2008

Hi Xai (684). It’s funny isn’t it that those of us who really like old-school Trek and don’t treat it like some kind of religious doctrine either get an ear-bashing or accused of not being ‘proper’ fans?

When I first showed up on these boards, there was a lunatic who was trying to get people to gang up to campaign against Abrams’ film. He/she (almost certainly a ‘he’ and a basement-dweller) said that I shouldn’t be a Star Trek fan because I wasn’t really into TNG and its fellow shows. It’s kind of weird: because I like TOS and Abrams’ past track record, I shouldn’t be a fan. :0

Anyway, you and Closettrekker keep on posting: I tend to look out for posts made by you guys since you have your heads screwed on and a conception of the real world!! :)

692. McCoy's Gall Bladder - November 28, 2008

In that case, I’m not a fan either since I only really liked TOS

TNG was too fey, DS9 was Blade Runner wannabee (damned blue goatee guy) and Voyager? I stopped watching after the 2nd season.

I only liked the 4th season of Enterprise.

693. Canon Father - November 28, 2008

Alex Rosenzweig – We can also argue over what a well-established Trek fact is, and it’s importance to story and character.

For instance, what if they made Kirk be from Oregon instead of Iowa. Would that really matter? How would saying Kirk was now from Oregon change Star Trek? None of the series or the movies depended on his place of birth being Iowa. The character can still be portrayed in the exact same way and come from almost anywhere.

Kirk is human, he’s still from Earth. Spock is Vulcan, he’s from the planet of the same name. Do we know what geographical area of Vulcan Spock came from? Would it matter?

I don’t care what kind of student Kirk or Spock was. All these background facts are silly and useless to a movie. Who cares that the Enterprise is bring assembled on ground. It’s still the Enterprise and it will still go into space. It’s still Star Trek.

I’m out of here. I’ve had enough of this discussion. I think some of you guys are claiming way too much ownership of a product that isn’t yours. I grew up on TOS, I was there for the beginning. I was there for its death. I’m ready for a new beginning.

:-)

694. Xai, (go Hawkeyes! - November 28, 2008

693. Canon Father – November 28, 2008

“For instance, what if they made Kirk be from Oregon instead of Iowa. Would that really matter? ”

Ok, NOW you stepped over the line. ;-)

695. Xai, (go Hawkeyes!) - November 28, 2008

689. Ken Hoyas jr – November 28, 2008
“More Nimoy, less 90210.

Where is Shatner?”

90210? Is that a starship?

Ohhhhh.. NCC-90210

USS Trollop
Light Cruiser, Tori Spelling-class
known for oversized nacelles.

696. Xai, (go Hawkeyes!) - November 28, 2008

691. Dom – November 28, 2008
“Hi Xai (684). It’s funny isn’t it that those of us who really like old-school Trek and don’t treat it like some kind of religious doctrine either get an ear-bashing or accused of not being ‘proper’ fans?”

Hi Dom,

Kind words, thanks.
Yes, we are all Trek fans without regard to what all we like or dislike. I just believe in finding out all you can about something before deciding it is trash or treasure.
And I recall the poster you refer to. I’m pretty sure his ID and IP are on “the list” held by our favorite Anthony.
……………………
Overall, I find this to be an exciting time to be a fan. Trek is becoming cool(er) again and I am very proud to have a fan for most of my life.
(no, that’s not slamming anyone else)

But now i’ve got to figure out where that huge scar in the earth over by Riverside came from. I personally think it’s the remains of I-80. The dept of transportation really let that old interstate fall into disrepair. What a huge rut in the road!

697. Alex Rosenzweig - November 28, 2008

#693 – “Alex Rosenzweig – We can also argue over what a well-established Trek fact is, and it’s importance to story and character.”

Well, I think that most of the Trek debates tend to proceed from a couple of base axioms, and one is that an “established fact” is one explicated on film. If something on film states “X”, then “X” it is. Period and done.

Importance to story and character is a whole other debate, and I think it’s one about which people can, and will, have disagreements based on personal perception. I’m more hesitant to make judgments on that without a previously agreed-upon set of more-or-less objective baselines, and it’s easier to change my mind on that sort of argument than on the issue of definable “facts”.

“For instance, what if they made Kirk be from Oregon instead of Iowa. Would that really matter?”
(snip)

Unless the place of his birth is of direct relevance to the story, it probably doesn’t. Nonetheless, it is an established detail about Kirk’s past that he was born in Iowa. It was meta-canonical for a long time, and eventually became canonical. That he was born in Riverside is still meta-canonical, unless the new movie specifically names that place. Is there a compelling reason to ignore that? I can’t see one.

(more snippage)

“Spock is Vulcan, he’s from the planet of the same name. Do we know what geographical area of Vulcan Spock came from? Would it matter?”

If you count TAS, then we know he came from the city of Shikahr. If you don’t, we don’t know, and thus that’s a detail of Spock’s background as yet unestablished. By now I think there have been enough meta-canonical uses of Shikahr that it has some authoritativeness, but I’d be open to arguments suggesting otherwise if there’s a solid reason for doing so.

“I don’t care what kind of student Kirk or Spock was. All these background facts are silly and useless to a movie.”

Well, it depends… Is the movie dealing with Kirk or Spock as students? If so, then what’s been established about the as students is directly relevant. If not, if it’s just a story about the crew on the Enterprise, then backstory about them as students is likely extraneous. It’s all about the story being told.

“Who cares that the Enterprise is bring assembled on ground. It’s still the Enterprise and it will still go into space.”

That’s a detail that doesn’t bother me much, one way or the other. It’s never been established how the ship’s construction took place, so if they want to suggest it took place on the ground, then in terms of canonical background, that’s fine. There may be other reasons to debate that, but doing so on the basis of established fictional “facts” isn’t one of them. ;)

Likewise, if they want to postulate that the construction took place in Iowa, well, there are lots of creative ways to interpret what “San Francisco, Calif.” on the dedication plaque means, in ways that don’t invalidate the fact that those words are there and therefore San Francisco has some relevance. We’ve discussed a number of them on this here site. That’s another non-issue.

“I’m out of here. I’ve had enough of this discussion. I think some of you guys are claiming way too much ownership of a product that isn’t yours.”

Hey, it’s not me who established the backstories of these characters. I can just do the basic homework necessary to stay consistent with it. And if I can, in my spare time, I don’t have any sympathy for the idea that well-paid Hollywood screenwriters can’t, or shouldn’t. ;)

“I grew up on TOS, I was there for the beginning. I was there for its death. I’m ready for a new beginning.

:-) ”

I’m still wondering about this oft-reported but never-seen death you’re talking about. ;) Seems to me that, as the saying goes, reports of Star Trek’s death have been greatly exaggerated.

698. Kim Jong Il - November 29, 2008

This is utter crap.

JJ destroyed Trek. He’s turning it into a combination of Mission Impossible and the remake of Lost in Space (which, by the way, never had a sequel *HINT HINT*).

I can’t believe this. After reading these forums for the last few weeks, I feel that my beloved Kirk, as played by Shatner, has been stabbed in the back with a couple of blunt butter knives and a few plastic spoons.

What really bothers me is that a lot of people will be discovering Trek for the first time through THIS crappy movie, and they will be too young and ingnorant to discover the REAL Trek as it should be.

I hope this movie earns less money than Nemesis.

Gene, please come back from the dead and save your real fans and send these crazy freaks who are looking forward to this movie to Rura Penthe or at least Pittsburgh.

699. Dom - November 29, 2008

Hi Xai (696)

Yeah it is a great time for me as a fan. In the 1990s I kept the faith as a Kirk/Spock/McCoy fan when even high up people in Trek fan organisations were dismissing the original Star Trek. And now, after all these years, I’ve been rewarded!

698. ROTFLMAO! Very funny!

700. Closettrekker - November 29, 2008

#537—“Maybe I’ll be proven completely wrong, and they WILL blatantly say that the timeline is altered… except that the creators keep saying that this is not the case.”

When have the ‘creators’ ever said that the story does not involve an alternate timeline?

701. Stiff Arsed Britt - November 29, 2008

how can Spock say ‘live long and prosper’ to Kirk when he knows that Kirk is going to die in about 30 years or so?
how about he says ‘don’t go to the enterprise B launching’ or if a bald english guy with a french name comes asking for help tell him to slag off’?

702. Dom - November 29, 2008

701. Because, given the changes in the timeline, the likelihood of Chris Pine’s Kirk being at the launch of an Enterprise-B on the same day is minute. Nimoy’s Spock will have no idea what will happen to Pine’s Kirk in the future and thus can wish him a long and prosperous life, rather than the short life, brutally cut off in Generations!

703. The Vulcanista }:-| - November 29, 2008

#512

What if I said you could be my date for the movie? Would you be interested then??? Hmmmm????

Peace. Live long and prosper.
The Vulcanista }:-|

704. Xai - November 29, 2008

scrolling clear back to #512 (hoping)… scroll, scroll, scroll…

Dam, that wasn’t me.

(sigh..)

705. asc-1138 - November 30, 2008

Amazing!! Thank you so much JJ!!!

After seeing a sort of un-trekian trailer #2, the addition of Nimoy in this new version tremendously warmed me up again to this movie.

So thanks again JJ, “You’ve restored my Fathers Faith” :-)

706. Commodore Lurker - November 30, 2008

Vulcanista baby! You’re on!

Have I told you about T’Uba S’Luba????

707. Mugz - December 1, 2008

How about a new trailer which actually shows us some of this optimism JJ? All I’ve seen so far is alot of stuff being blown up, and conflict between Kirk and Spock…Lets see some of this hope…. which defined the ‘real’ Star Trek.

Mugz

708. Dom - December 1, 2008

Well, Mugz, arguably Kirk and his gang beating up bad guys is optimistic . . . I mean they might win! ;)

709. Titan2010 - December 2, 2008

I really believe that JJ’s Star Trek will be very popular among all the non-fans/general audiences….

A few instances lead me to believe:

1. my 17yo brother (non-trek fan) was showing the preview to 6 of his friends over the weekend on the XBox… They were swearing up and down on how good it looks and that they’ll definitily be going to the movies to see it.

2. A few of my best girl pals (also die-hard non-trekers…to the point of revulsion of the thought of star trek) saw the trailer at the movie theatres and are talking about it. comments like: “it’s about time” and “If ST looked like this in the past, I would be a fan”

People are really digging the new look and feel of Star Trek…. This may very well be its revival to mainstream.

Just my thoughts of course…. :)

710. ponnfarr9696 - December 15, 2008

I like the uniforms,…..much better than the Enterprise uniforms…..Maybe If we want we can have Old Spock make a couple of stops in his timeship……get uniforms from deep space nine,drop them off to Archer on Enterprise……and the uniforms would fit into the perfect bermanverse………….Get over it……I like the way they are staying true to the timeline……Quit modernizing everything……….That is how it stays authentic….And iconic

711. ponnfarr9696 - December 15, 2008

There is sarcasm in my last posting if you look really hard…..and it doesnt take a visor.

712. Conrado - December 19, 2008

I was a Trekie before the word was coined. Every Friday watched Star Trek, then went out with my college friends. Later in life, when Trek was in syndication, watched Trek and then went to bed! Can’t wait for the new Star Trek!!! Live long and prosper.

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