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Star Trek Online Update: Cryptic Begins To Chart Its Own Star Trek History December 7, 2008

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Editorial,Games,Star Trek Online,Trek Franchise , trackback

Cryptic Studios has made another one of their ‘Path to 2409′ which tells the story of the Star Trek universe from Star Trek Nemesis (in 2379) to the 25th Century setting of the Massive Multiplayer game and its war between the Federation and the Klingons. They are now up to 2382 and starting to branch away from the history set forward in the books.  


The following is taken from the official site.

Path To 2409: 2382

The unstable situation of the Romulans continues to be a source of concern for the Alpha and Beta quadrants.

The loss of agricultural planets now claimed by the Imperial Romulan Empire threatens Romulus with severe food shortages. Romulus’ power plants and factories cannot increase output without the heavy metals and dilithium that once flowed from Remus.

To avert the looming civil crisis, Praetor Tal’aura reluctantly accepts food shipments from the Federation. But she refuses the Federation’s offer to facilitate negotiations between her and Empress Donatra, saying that it is an internal Romulan matter.

Tal’aura charges her proconsul, Fleet Commander Tomalak, with retaking the planets held by Donatra. Tomalak appoints Admiral Taris as his second in command and orders her to re-organize and mobilize Romulus’ remaining military forces.

Seeking to stabilize the homeworld, Tal’aura agrees to reform the Romulan Senate. A reorganization commission selected by Tal’aura votes to allow her to appoint senators directly rather than holding elections, and she packs the Senate with her supporters. Leaders of the Romulan-Vulcan Unification movement petition Tal’aura for representation in the Senate for themselves and the Remans, but Tal’aura declines to respond to their request.

The makeup of the Romulan Senate angers Romulan nobles, who dominated the Senate prior to Shinzon’s takeover but now hold only a handful of seats. Representatives of several of the noble lines argue that for centuries the Romulan Senate has been a partner with the praetor in governing the empire, something that a weakened body beholden to Tal’aura cannot be. The Line of Tellus goes so far as to denounce Tal’aura publically and withdraw its members from government service.

The Klingon Empire takes advantage of the weak position of the Romulans to stage lightning strikes into Romulan space, retaking Khitomer and the sector surrounding it. The Federation Council criticizes the move, but Ambassador K’mtok responds that the empire is simply reclaiming territory that belonged to the Klingons by right.

Thwarted in their attempts to find a role in the Romulan government, the Unification movement, represented by Ambassador Spock, presses its case with the Federation Council. The Council takes up the matter of formally supporting the Unificationists, but is heavily influenced by Councilor T’Los of Vulcan, who states that the result of the unification of the two races cannot be predetermined, while the probable course of the Romulans and Vulcans remaining separate can be reasonably predicted. Therefore, her only logical choice is to protect the Vulcan way of life by opposing unification.

The council does not reach a decision on whether or not to support the Unificationists, and votes to table the matter.

A legal issue of interest to analysts in the Federation is rights for artificial life forms. On Stardate 60334.46, Admiral Owen Paris of Starfleet Research and Development orders that the mobile emitter brought back from the Delta Quadrant by the USS Voyager be taken to Starfleet’s facility on Galor IV for study.

The Emergency Medical Hologram (EMH) known as The Doctor files a lawsuit to block the transfer of the mobile emitter, arguing that he is a sentient being who acted as a member of Starfleet during Voyager’s time in the Delta Quadrant and that the mobile emitter is necessary to his quality of life and performance of his duties. The office of the Judge Advocate General issues an injunction against the transfer of the mobile emitter until it can study the case and issue a ruling.

The Bajorans and their allies continue to press for the Cardassians to surrender members of its government and military to stand trial for war crimes. But over the course of four months, 472 Cardassians wanted by the Bajorans disappear from Cardassia Prime.

The Cardassian government reports it is attempting to determine the whereabouts of its citizens. The Bajorans respond by accusing the Cardassian government of willingly assisting fugitives.

Ro Laren completes her time in Federation custody and returns to Bajor. She accepts a commission in the Bajoran militia and is appointed head of security for Deep Space Nine.


Headed for three Trek futures – Does Star Trek need a little Star Wars in its EU?
All of the above is very interesting and moving towards a galactic war between two big factions (with their allies) makes all the sense in the world for a MMO, where you need to have two sides to make the game work (one of the many things that Perpetual didn’t seem to understand when they were making the game). Cryptic should also be applauded for how closely they have been following the history of Trek laid out in the Star Trek books that came after Star Trek Nemesis. But now they are at the end of those books, so the big question is: what happens now with the extended universe of Star Trek?

Although there are elements of the post Nemesis books in this latest update, we can now see that Cryptic is beginning to build the setting for the war between the Klingons and the Federation, along with the other alliances. Of course Pocket books also plans additional post Nemesis books past their Destiny trilogy, and it is pretty clear that these will chart their own path. In addition, the team behind the new Star Trek movie are about to release a comic book series with IDW that will take place in the same TNG era, and it appears to be on yet another path. This means that in 2009 there will be three different versions of Trek history after Star Trek Nemesis.

This is nothing new of course, Trek books and comics and filmed (TV and movies) have often ended up contradicting each other.  However, this kind of divergence in the extended universe is a big difference between the Star Trek and Star Wars franchises. In the world of Star Wars, the extended universe materials are considered canon (or at least ‘soft canon’) and there is a great deal of coordination between different media (games, books, comics, TV and film). For example, right now Bioware and EA are working on another Star Wars MMORPG called “Star Wars: The Old Republic” and not only does this game tie into previous story lines set in the Old Republic era, but it will coincide with a new novel that will tell the backstory for the game. There are currently no plans to do the same for Star Trek Online. Earlier this year LucasArts coordinated “The Force Unleashed,” a massive multimedia event with a video game, novel (and audio book), comics, action figures and toys, and more. Although Star Trek has pulled off that kind of coordination tied to TV shows and films, it has never been able to do it for the extended universe materials.

Some could argue the Star Trek way of each medium having its own version of history (and often multiple versions within a given medium) is part a richer tapestry of possible futures, but in reality it is mostly a function of the many stovepipes involved with the Star Trek property: Cryptic, Pocket Books, IDW, Bad Robot, CBS, Paramount and Orci/Kurtzman. Although it is easier for the LucasFilm empire to control the various parts of that franchise as it owns many of the subsidiaries, TrekMovie still wishes there were greater coordination between the Star Trek entities.



1. Enterprise - December 7, 2008

Oh man, the canon people are gonna freak!

2. DaveM - December 7, 2008

This could be the game that gets me into MMORPG! I’ve resisted for years over the objections of my friends who love this form of online gaming.

3. Sean4000 - December 7, 2008

I just can’t wait to get my hands on that JJ Abrams TNG comic book!

4. Yspano - December 7, 2008

Oh, hey, cool, they finally continued KOTOR! I hope HK47 is still alive! :D

5. Hat Rick - December 7, 2008

The filing of a lawsuit by the good holo-doctor is an interesting development. An interest in law is one thing that separates ST from the SW universe.

6. the king in shreds and tatters - December 7, 2008

Note: Most of the SWEU sucks.

Also, KotOR already retconned the appearance of technology from that era, so it’s not really a good example…

7. the king in shreds and tatters - December 7, 2008

“The Line of Tellus”

Possible LUGtrek reference?

8. Gary - December 7, 2008

OMG OMG !!! This is FUN

9. Steven - December 7, 2008

I’m really looking forward to Star Trek Online! Can’t wait for it to begin!

10. SexyAsianGurl - December 7, 2008

NOT CANNON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I shall hereforthtoo condemn and boycott this game, and my crew at starfleet hq will mount a campaign to have the story re-digested to merge with proper canon.

11. Enterprise - December 7, 2008

Next year is the Year of the Romulan, apparently.

12. VoR - December 7, 2008

Too bad FASA’s version of Trek was left behind…. some of the overall backstory and the ship designs were pretty interesting.

13. KypFisto - December 7, 2008

It would be nice if they finally picked up on the idea of an Expanded Universe for Trek. Certainly keep the books a little easier to track.

14. Meteo - December 7, 2008

Don’t worry, it will stay alive with me…

15. SexyAsianGurl - December 7, 2008

no please, the books..just-say-no (to fan lit masturbation)

16. Anthony Pascale - December 7, 2008

warning for trolling, your posts are constantly bagging on Trek fans, this is a star trek site and there are all sorts of fans of all sorts of trek, so either embrace the fans or move on

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17. N - December 8, 2008

It is impossible to coordinate a Star Trek EU. A franchise with hundreds of episodes as its building blocks is different from a franchise from 3 (now 6) movies. Star Wars benefited because for a long time, there were no new movies and so a consistent EU filled the gap. Star Wars also benefited because the new movies added in new “history” to the original three movies, but did not touch anything post RotJ which is where the majority of the EU takes place.

Star Trek can’t do that unless someone wants to plan out when all the new TV shows will be set.

I will suggest that Canon matters less for the lay person and more for the fans. This is important because the 80/20 principle applies here, 80% of your profits come from 20% of your customers.

I have no problem with anything JJ Abrams has done, but the franchise will get the bulk of its money from a few over-dedicated fans, and they will want consistency that is currently not being provided, as ridiculous as that may seem.

18. nephron - December 8, 2008

Star Trek: entertaining TV, but kind of a lousy choice for an mmo. Here’s why…

I can forgive aliens that look just like humans with bumpy heads in a TV show because I understand they have a limited budget. I can forgive unimaginative kitbash ship-designs on a TV show for the same reason. Likewise with Holodeck plots (holodeck/time-travel plot = “we can’t spend the $ necessary for the sets & effects required for a space-adventure, so we’ll borrow period costumes & props from another part of the studio, and build a story around them in the form of a holodeck/time-travel story).

So much of Star Trek is the way it is because of the limitations of the television medium, but with a computer game there is no limit to what you can show. The special effects budget is limitless – you can literally show anything imaginable.

If you’re going to do a Star Trek mmo, there are 2 choices:

1. Stick with “canon”, and include all the elements which are forgivable in the context of TV, but which are completely lame in a modern video game (butt-headed human-looking ‘aliens’, lame kitbash ships, etc.). If this is what they’re doing I will not be playing this game.

2. Add a ton of new stuff to your background setting so as to make it interesting in a way that no TV show could be. Problem with this is, if you’re going to add that much new stuff to Star Trek, why not just do something wholly original and take us somewhere NEW?

Star Trek’s an entertaining TV show, but in the wider world of science fiction including books, movies, comics, and even video games it’s pretty shallow. Just compare Star Trek to Mass Effect.

19. Enc - December 8, 2008

you rang :D

I only have one ship rec manual
but can get more if i wanted

did you see sg1: wormhole eXtreme?

now back to the canon
i dont care what the st eu does

i would like the proper to use eu source material (make some of it canon). just dont over ride pre-existing proper canon in the prcoess.
ST has held up rather well over the years. sure it has some canon problems. I just dont want any of those mistakes made into canon. leave them as the oddity that they are (we all get a good laugh out of it) and continue. heck fix the problem if you can. but dont make a bad situation worse.

iirc jj is useing book material (great) just dont rewrite trek proper for it.

20. LoyalStarTrekFan - December 8, 2008

18 said “Just compare Star Trek to Mass Effect.” I have and have come to the conclusion that Star Trek is much better in every way. I don’t know what show you’ve been watching but the ships in Star Trek are better than any in sci-fi and have a clear purpose to their designs. That’s not to say that I didn’t enjoy Mass Effect or wasn’t impressed with the level of detail the game designers put into the game but Star Trek is better, imho.

“…it’s pretty shallow.” You obviously haven’t been watching Star Trek very long (or it’s been a while and you forgot) because if you remembered Trek you wouldn’t make that statement. Now let’s do a little comparison: Memory Alpha (the canon Star Trek wiki) has 29,373 articles and the Mass Effect wiki only has 3,350 articles. That means that Memory Alpha has 26,023 more articles than the Mass Effect wiki. Memory Beta (the licensed-works non-canon Star Trek wiki) has 41,532 articles. A difference of 38,182 articles. The numbers speak for themselves. Star Trek isn’t as shallow as you think.

Moving on to the EU, the new Trek books have taken a darker and grittier tone that seems to be all the rage in Hollywood. Since they have made lots of money using this approach, it makes sense that they would assume they could do the same in the new novels. Even still, you will notice that the darker and grittier Trek novels are still not as dark as the over-the-top negativity-hour show BSG. That said, I believe the reason that their are going to be 3 different versions of post Nemesis is because books, games, comic books, etc. are considered “non-canon” and therefore they can readily contradict each other. I enjoy reading the books and intend to continue to do so. The West Wing style “Articles of the Federation” book was especially good and clearly shows how the Federation government works. I do agree however that it would be nice if there was more continuity between the various EU’s.

21. LoyalStarTrekFan - December 8, 2008

18, if Star Trek were so “shallow” why would there be a group of fans dedicated to the preservation of canon? If you want to see a “shallow” show that’s all negativity with over-the-top story lines, soap opera relationships, and a basic backstory, watch BSG.

19, Stargate has a rich backstory, like Star Trek does, and characters that are likable and are easy to care about. That’s why I like it over BSG.

22. Enc - December 8, 2008

21 re 19
do u mem the story that lead to id4 ?

23. commander K, USS Sovereign - December 8, 2008

Who knows though..all three could tie in quite easily and maybe they ARE all co-ordinated. We’d just have to wait and find out..

I think the Nero story is somethign which is happening in the star Trek Online described future with the troubles on Romulus. With Romulus in a mess he’s maybe going back in time to change history in favor of the Romulans?

24. LoyalStarTrekFan - December 8, 2008

22, no I don’t but in a franchise that I rewatch in reruns (and the new eps of Atlantis) and that’s 15 seasons long, I sometimes forget things. Please elaborate or point me to a site with more info if you wish me to comment on the storyline you refer to.

With all I’ve said about BSG, I am willing to give it one final chance to recapture my attention that it had during the first and, most of, the second seasons. I doubt that it will surpass Stargate in my opinion and I know that it won’t surpass B5 or Star Trek.

Cryptic said it best when they said that Trek had a rich universe and it was a “natural choice” for a MMORPG. The ships, the characters, etc. are all ready for a MMORPG. I’m counting the days until Star Trek Online comes out. Once STO comes out, I’ll be kissing WOW goodbye!

25. LoyalStarTrekFan - December 8, 2008

23, in the books the Romulan Star Empire isn’t in the greatest shape either. With Empress Donatra of the Imperial Romulan State holding on to key agriculture worlds, the RSE has seen better days. I’m actually concerned about this particular storyline. I have always like the Romulan Star Empire as much as I like the Klingon Empire and I’m concerned that the writers of Trek are paralleling the decline and fall of the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire divided into the West and East Roman Empire’s. The East Roman Empire had most of the resources and continued to exist for a long time after the split while the Western Roman Empire (which included Italy and Rome itself) collapsed which led to the Dark Ages. I hope the same thing doesn’t happen to the Romulan Star Empire (which includes Romulus itself).

26. Enc - December 8, 2008


sorry i was sidetracked there for a sec.
no i wasnt refering to any ep of the show. justr asking if u heard the story of how id4 came about.
basicaly at the london premeir of SG a reporter noted the movie was about aliens coming to earth and asked the writers if they believed in aliens/ufo’s? the answer was no. on the plane ride home they took the question and make ID4. pileing in all the ufo mythology they could.

yes all. i know its a trek board so ill return to it.

its always interesting to see how writers get their ideas, influense etc. Like ENT ep ‘The Communicator’ was made only cause some one lost their cell phone.
boy i tell ya. the fecal mater hit the emrgency life suport, the day the fans got that one.

27. Yspano - December 8, 2008

@ 21
Oh, I wouldn’t call BSG shallow. It’s different, but it’s not shallow. It’s tackled religion and science, social stratification, law and morality, ethics, sentience and life–pretty much themes that Trek covers–except in the context of a post-apocalyptic human civilization, or what’s left of it.

28. BK613 - December 8, 2008

I like BSG initially (and still love the FX) but the characters have become SO flawed and SO imperfect that they seem more caricatures than ‘real’ people to me now. A positive and hopeful attitude in that rag-tag fugitive fleet is a one-way ticket to an airlock opening ceremony (or other gruesome death).

on topic:
Like others here, I am considering STO when it comes out and hope that they do a public beta so fans like me can try it out before hand.

29. Pete359 - December 8, 2008

This sounds like bad fan-fiction.

30. CmdrR - December 8, 2008

“The loss of agricultural planets now claimed by the Imperial Romulan Empire threatens Romulus with severe food shortages. Romulus’ power plants and factories cannot increase output without the heavy metals and dilithium that once flowed from Remus.”

Um, if we’re in HALF the frakkin galaxy and so are the Rommies, shouldn’t that involve tens of thousands of M-class planets, not to mention the space rocks that’re chock full of dilithium? Servicing Romulus should be easy. It’s the backwaters of the galaxy that would suffer.

“Ro Laren completes her time in Federation custody and returns to Bajor. She accepts a commission in the Bajoran militia and is appointed head of security for Deep Space Nine.”
Thanks for saying she’s still alive, since on Voyager they pronounced ALL mah-quis dead dead dead.

31. S. John Ross - December 8, 2008

#28: Agree.

In its first two seasons, BSG was a sharp blend of space-opera fun, strong episodic drama and well-drawn characters, all stewed in a very spicy set of questions well worth exploring set in a genre ideal for exploring them.

But then they started dumbing it down, dumbing it down, dumbing it down. Characters replaced with caricaturish mouthpieces, lazy arc material undermining the value of episodes, questions not only abandoned, but replaced with cheap gimmickry. Shallow, stupid, and functionally empty.

I keep watching for two reasons (1) inertia (2) Edward James Olmos, who can take the most ridiculously emptyheaded dialogue and invest it with a terrific sense of gravity and substance. Sadly, he’s now called on to do that pretty much every time they turn the camera on him.

32. James - December 8, 2008

I’ve always preferred to think of ‘canon’ as being limited to the TV episodes and films. Everything else is good fun, but it’s not canon. So I don’t have any canon concerns.

I actually quite like the idea of divergent histories. Some of the best legends and myths don’t really co-ordinate – Robin Hood and King Arthur being the two that immediately spring to mind. Star Trek is gradually taking on that kind of mantle – modern mythology. Quite cool, when you think about it!

33. screaming satellite - December 8, 2008

32 – i agree…id consider the new abrams Star Trek Countdown prequel comics to be canon though

34. GaryP - December 8, 2008

Food shortages? What about replicators?

35. Star Trackie - December 8, 2008

Way too “Bermanish” for my taste. In this era of the new TOS themed movie, 24th century aesthetics and style are the odd man out. They should’ve waited and started from scratch using the new movie’s timeline instead.

36. Jorg Sacul - December 8, 2008

Until Tom Riker, the transporter clone, is returned, there can be no peace in the Trek universe!

37. Daoud - December 8, 2008

#34 Food shortages indeed are ridiculous. The Romulan “Star” Empire extends over thousands of planets that are M-class. They aren’t Somalia or Sudan….

#0 Terrible to see separate continuities set up, because the track record for them is very poor. I give you Gold Key comics, Star Fleet Battles, Blish’s Spock Must Die restriction on Klingons for a thousand years, FASA and all of its tomes, Klingonaase, and… Robert T. April, first captain of the Enterprise.

38. Decker's Stubble - December 8, 2008

12 – Thank you for mentioning FASA. I was a big fan of FASA, and I think it a shame that some of the ship designs and lore they developed was not continued. The Chandley class frigate in particular is one of my favorite starship designs.

39. Julio - December 8, 2008


I actually agree with you… I’m a little burned out with the TNG/Voy/DS9 timeline.

I would’ve preferred to have the game set in the new movie universe, or far into the “future”.

I’m still playing the thing on Day One, though! :)

40. i like this's exciting!!! - December 8, 2008

actually theres more like 25+ different paths trek is taking if you count the various fanon stuff

41. SexyAsianGurl - December 8, 2008

If your so into canon just buy a copy of the rule book and try making a movie out of that in your head, see how boring it’d become very quickly…you can’t shackle creativity of the writers and directors by a bunch of slavering fanboys…GO JJ!!!

42. Capt. Fred - December 8, 2008

Screw canon. It gets in the way of everything.

I agree with you.

43. Enc - December 8, 2008


a writer yes. but a good/great writer can.
theres always constraints. eve in original material. half way thru ur script you go uh ho. oh wait but if i…. oh thats right i said blank and the blank.

its no differant with any thing else. just more things in your way. a great writer wont be stoped by it. kirk has brown eyes and thats not hard to make happen.

but the writing is not what ‘fanboys’ are crying over. since we realy dont know whats coming in terms of the story. but rather the storys design. the ship int/ext. etc. ariter can have kid kirk drive a fast old car but a director can get descriptive and make it an auto or a manual transmission. this is seen as a canon violation. we were told that canon violoations will have an explination. we’ll just have to wait and see.

this is what i was trying to get an answer to over porco. member when we got news of some carolyn porco being the science advisoir? and her previous work was the movie Contact? well me and every one in the theatre notice the nebula was backward. i asked here at trekmovie in that thread and never got an answer as to why. so i will ask again.

The question we (I) have is whos idea was it in the first place. who had creative control to make changes, and who has the final say in such matters.

new canon topic:
the ship ground or space ???

I am curious.
its been said (and shown, somewhat) that the 1701 dedication says San Francisco. right? But there seem to be two differant versions of it floating around right now. One says ‘San Francisco’. The other says ‘San Francisco, Cailf’. Now ‘San Francisco’ could be the city or an orbital yard named after (maybe geosinc over it). But ‘San Frincisco, Calif’ is a bit moere exact. this one seems to sugest that the ship was built on the ground.
before getting into our prefered non-canon explination. can any prove with a real photograph what the the TOS dedication said. not those bitmap/photoshop jobs that litter the web. A real picture of the original from the set. and did it change over the 2 (two) pilots an the run of the series itself.

44. Scott - December 8, 2008


Just someone give me a awesome Kirk/Spock era game for the Wii. I wanna be Shatner-Kirk or Nimoy-Spock — or my own custom character –beaming down and kicking butt and outwitting nutty alien cultures.

Stuck in the past and wishing someone would give me the game I would love to play,

Scott B. out.

45. Enc - December 8, 2008

sorry your not getting my copy of JR

46. YARN - December 8, 2008

A canonically correct Star Trek game would have to play like Space Ace (if you’re really old school, ya know what I’m talkin about).

Sorry, you can’t do any move except XXY, because the Federation lost this battle.

47. Aaron R. - December 8, 2008

Game excites me more and more every time I read a new one of these path to the future blurbs… I do have one comment. A Klingon v Federation War IS CANON! All good things showed s a future where the Federation and Klingons are embroiled in hostilities. Sure the future isn’t written in stone and Picard could have made efforts to change this however nothing says that is the case. The Klingons are traditionally a war-mongering type culture anyways and a huge war makes sense. The demise of the Romulan Empire only makes sense as far as canon goes as well. Corny as it may have been there entire leadership was killed in the last movie. When an event like that happens new alignments and power plays are made. Often governments fall when those happen.

Just some thoughts… Love it so far.

48. Aaron R. - December 8, 2008

P.S. Why would you sit here and bash BSG? Just because you are defending what you like doesn’t mean you have to bash a show that a ton of other people (yes me too) love. On many levels to me BSG is more real than Star Trek will ever be but that doesn’t mean I bash Trek because of it. Besides in a Trek only article on a Mainly Trek site no need to bash a completely different show. Why don’t you go to a BSG site if you feel you have relevant comments to make? To scared that you will be out numbered? Trying to look good here? No reason at all? I don’t know but hey whatever floats your boat I suppose. It just seems a bit low and odd.

49. Diggin' up Bones - December 8, 2008

Take a deep breath, relax, and remember that this is star trek. If there’s a story line that you don’t agree with, just pretend that it’s an alternate reality or another mirror universe, like we all do with ST V. And for the record, those tied-together star wars books are completely suckish. Every one of ’em.

50. SexyAsianGurl - December 8, 2008

So is it true Nero kills old spock *SPOILER ALERT*

51. Jtrekker - December 8, 2008

Just a quick note on the whole “canon” thing with the books, comics, games, etc. The whole reason why these are not tied together directly with the TV show and movies and why there is no coordination among mediums is primarily because Gene Rodenberry declared everything EXCEPT the TV series and movies to NOT be part of canon. That’s really the only reason things have remained the way they are. Problem is, somebody could stand up and say Gene was wrong and that his decision should be reversed, but NO ONE who would be in charge of Star Trek (be it Rick Berman or now the “Supreme Court” or even Abrams) are bold – or stupid – enough to reverse the word of Rodenberry. So, if they won’t do it, I don’t think this is going to change anytime soon.

But, in my own personal opinion, I think the fact that Star Trek can have various storylines running throughout the books, comics, etc. is what makes Star Trek unique, different, and great. Therefore, if I read a book that I don’t really like or I don’t like the concept of what they are trying to do, I don’t have to worry that there will be no other options, no other storylines, and it’s all laid in stone like Star Wars. For instance, for the Shatner fans out there, if it weren’t for the freedom of the Star Trek books, there would have never been “The Return” which ultimately brings Kirk back from the dead. Chances are, if everything was coordinated, that story would never have been written.

Oh, and just as a final note, I don’t really think it matters whether everybody loves the STO “future” or not. I still think it’s going to make plenty of money.

52. TOS Enterprise - December 8, 2008

Re: 31 Regarding BSG

I’m not sure how you can call the opening of Season 3’s New Caprica storyline “dumbing down.” First of let’s just give credit where credit is due, BSG won a PEABODY. Second, the whole occupation of New Caprica story where the heroes and villains got flipped was anything but DUMB… Watching Saul Tigh turn into Mullah Omar was an amazingly smart piece of writing that was obviously lost on you. Perhaps it was too risky for you? To see your humans (the heroes) however flawed they were, turn into suicide bombing terrorists. Moore took a space show and turned it on it’s head in order to turn Iraq on it’s head and say something about the nature of war and occupation and struggle. Maybe that’s too smart for T viewers like you.

Tigh: I know you’re wonderin’, so I’ll save you the trouble; the eye is gone. They ripped it out onto the floor and showed it to me. Looked like a hard boiled egg.

53. S. John Ross - December 8, 2008

#52: “I’m not sure how you can call the opening of Season 3’s New Caprica storyline “dumbing down.””

And that makes you the target audience. ;)

54. The Lensman - December 8, 2008

The Federation and Klingons at war……..again? C’mon. it’s like a cycle of make up and break up. It they wanted a Fed vs. Klingon war, they should’ve just done a 23rd century game. At least I would’ve bought that.

With respect to the game makers and fans… just feels like so much fan wankery, in terms of story and especially in ship design.

I’ll wait and see on this one. Hopefully it’ll rock regardless.

55. Will H. - December 8, 2008

This looks like it could be a good story for a game. Honestly, not the best storyline to have trek follow as a show because its about exploration, but that doesnt work well in a game. I saw at least one person talking about cannon issues, but I have yet to see any with this game. Maybe JJ should take notes from these people.

56. Odkin - December 8, 2008

I still don’t get why a company going for mass appeal would use the dying tail-end of a failed movie series as a springboard for their universe. As TNG and it’s labyrinth of spin-offs made everything more convoluted and anal-retentive, the audience got smaller and smaller. Every TNG movie became less and less part of mainstream culture.

The mainstream world gets, knows, and loves TOS. The alien races shown in later series did not just magically spawn in the 24th century, obviously all of them existed at the time of TOS also, and they could be players. So did starbases, colonies, the Academy, many varieties of ships, etc. Plus there is the coolness factor of the old props. Maybe they look childish to self-absorbed SF elites, but so do fedoras, whips, light sabres, elf-swords and Batman. They are retro icons, and people simply accept them for what they are because they are pop culture.

So to those planning a trip into the 25th Century, say hello to Buck Rogers for me. I’ll stay here with the franchise version that’s the beloved legend. Enjoy inventing your new confusi-verse.

57. rationaloptamism. - December 8, 2008

Over the top story lines,
Soap opera relationships.

Maybe you should get out into the real word, and you’ll see how over the top reality is.

I Personally feel, and i know i’m not alone, that BSG has the best writing, that best reflects the world around us, then any other Speculative fiction show or even film out there right now.
I don’t want to sound too harsh with the “get out in the real world thing” but from my experience; real life is just as over the top and crazy as BSG is, that’s why it’s great..

58. rationaloptamism. - December 8, 2008

32-James i completely agree.
Good call with the Robin Hood and King Aurthur reference.

Good myths must adapt for new generations, otherwise they are no longer relevant.

59. TOS Enterprise - December 8, 2008

Re: 53 S. John Ross – December 8, 2008

That’s it, take what I wrote out of context for a cheap joke because that’s all you’ve got. Cheap shots, cheap jokes.

TOS reflected the world of the 60s. BSG reflects our post 9/11 world.

You’re a moron.

60. Enterprise - December 8, 2008

Denny should open a communicator and say, “Denny Crane!” and then he should be beamed away.

61. Rastaman - December 8, 2008

Oh, what I wouldn’t give for an original Star Trek adventure game. Wish Interplay hadn’t dropped the ball on Star Trek: Secret of Vulcan’s Fury. It was really the last chance to use all the voices from the original cast. In case your unaware of the failed project, here’s a link to the trailer:

As for Anthony’s editorializing, I kind of enjoy the alternative futures of the different Trek media. In some respects, it is kind of in keeping with Trek’s tradition of parallel universes and quantum realities and so forth.

If the Trek novel writers were slaves to canon as well, a lot of fantastic and wonderful stories might never have been written! I wouldn’t want Paramount telling the likes of Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens or Diane Carey what they can and cannot put on paper.

62. Rastaman - December 8, 2008

And speaking of “Vulcan’s Fury”:

63. Pat Payne - December 8, 2008

“Imperial Romulan Empire” — Isn’t that like saying “Automatic Teller Machine Machine?”

64. BK613 - December 8, 2008

New Caprica, smart? Predictable is more like it. And cliched. The Resistance. The Mole. The Puppet Government. The Collaborators. The Executions. The Liberators.

Wow that is about as original as, I don’t know, Vichy France and WW2 maybe?

65. AJ - December 8, 2008

The plot is really not important to the quality of gameplay. World of Warcraft does its job admirably with two factions and a few races which are barely held together by the game’s weak lore. Emperor Donatra and famine on Romulus, while unlikely in Trek,will not be on our minds as we play. Just bashing for XP in a fun environment.

66. Number 3 - December 8, 2008

adult language…but funny

67. TOS Enterprise - December 8, 2008

Re: 64 BK613 – December 8, 2008

Smart, yes. There is nothing wrong about being inspired by historical events. The English Patient was inspired by historical events and that was a great novel.

These words say it best– written by Melanie E.S. Kohnen:

At first glance, Battlestar Galactica’s ongoing commentary on our current post 9/11 cultural climate unfolds by way of engaging familiar narrative strategies; yet these narratives also shift in unexpected ways. For example, instead of making a sharp delineation of “us vs. them” (as in the war on terror), the opposition between humans and Cylons breaks down making the humans as the “good guys” and the Cylons as the “bad guys” increasingly questionable. The occupation storyline during the third season even went so far as to place the human survivors into the position of being members of an insurgency movement — willing and able to deploy “terrorist” strategies, such as suicide bombings, for their cause — with the Cylons determined to show humanity “the glory of peace” by enforcing “complete control.” Beyond a simple role reversal of the usual identification of “hero”/“villain,” “occupier”/“terrorist,” however, Battlestar Galactica also shows us the internal conflicts on both sides. For instance, those under occupation disagree about the shape of the resistance movement, asking themselves: are suicide bombings really the solution, especially because humanity’s numbers are already dwindling? How far can you co-operate with the Cylons before you become a collaborator? Is collaboration a crime punishable by death? Meanwhile, the Cylons debate the treatment of humanity: should humans be wiped out in the name of god, or are they worth saving? In the face of so much resistance, can you still strive for peaceful co-existence? Or do you intervene in the form of public executions and reducing humanity to “a more manageable size”? In exploring these questions, the parallels to recent events involving American military actions in Iraq are impossible to overlook. Yet, Battlestar Galactica also reminds its viewers that questions about the ethical dimensions of occupation, resistance, torture, and war have long histories — the specific use of the term “collaborator,” for example, evokes associations with Vichy France. This angle further complicates the picture by not only reminding viewers that there are historical precedents to our current situation, but also by asking us to recognize the complexity of that history — one that cannot simply be reduced to the story of the U.S. army as the heroic liberators.

Star Trek did something similar. It held up a mirror to our culture and made us ask questions.

You need to do some heavy thinking BK613.

68. LoyalStarTrekFan - December 8, 2008

28 and 31: well said in your analysis of BSG. It started off great but degraded since then.

67, I agree that what you said is what BSG was trying to do but it failed in many ways. Our society is not as screwed up as the BSG society. Everyone’s scheming against each other, everyone hates each other, they live soap opera lives in their relationships, and the storylines are over the top. It is, in short, a doom and gloom, negativity hour, look down on humanity, flawed morality show. I think they try too hard to do the “social commentary.” Trek did it well, BSG does not. Like I said, the first two seasons were much better, it quickly fell short of its potential. I think Ronald D. Moore and the others behind the production of BSG over did it with the doom and gloom that they seem to love so much. DS9 did the social commentary and political intrigue stories much, much better than BSG could ever do. Stargate also does a better job when they choose to do social commentary. Anyway, these are my opinions of BSG. If you like it then that’s fine. I hope they end well in early 2009.

I could never get tired of the TNG era. It’s my favorite era and I’m glad that it continues in books since it is likely that it will not return to TV/Movies anytime soon. The ENT era and TOS era books are pretty good too.

69. Scott - December 8, 2008

Re: #56 – Well said, Odkin. Extremely well said. I don’t really mind the spin-off fans having a game set closer to their era, but an Original Series game would — or rather could — be fantastic.

Witness the new movie: would there be as much concern, care, buzz — or heck, this website — if the new Trek movie were going to take place post-Nemisis? I deeply doubt it. The OS is where the mythology lies.

Scott B. out.

70. AJ - December 8, 2008


Trek lore post-Nemesis is stalled, and having such a convoluted backstory is confusing. Scott/69 is correct that TOS could make for a more compelling MMORPG environment because it is aknown quantity eve to the casual player.

But as players, we will never meet the Praetor, Donatra or Tomalok, and we’ll just want to know whom to kill, and how to make money. We’ll also want creative new add-on environments to the game consistent with what WoW has done with its last two..

Another problem is that we cannot simply go around shooting Klingons and Romulans because Trek is all about the triumph of diplomacy and cultural understanding over violence.

I will give this game a go, but I’d like to suggest a few things that make WoW, the most popular MMORPG, a pain to play, and which could improve the experience with this ambitious project.

1. Many players have lives, and having to enter instances for long periods has kept me out of them. So, I don’t have the great armor and loads of cash which comes from these multi-hour group odysseys. I go AFK often during sessions on-line.

2. Eliminate money. Get the Asian commercial grinders out of the game, and honor the Federation tradition of no cash. Find a different way to re-equip as you level up beyond simple booty.

3. No auction houses. In the 25th century, Federation officers will not spend time in auctions for Lirpas or phasers. They have replicators. And they can use them to create currency as well if a purchase requires it.

4. No equivalent to “shooting boars” and exploiting their carcasses for meat and hide.

In any case, I wish the firm success, and its be nice to see the new team come on the site from time to time.

71. James Heaney - Wowbagger - December 8, 2008

I support as much confusing non-canon as possible. The hyper-coordination of SW EU played a large role in destroying that franchise. Let’s not see that happen here. The ST EU should be free, open, and by no means organized enough to coherently challenge the televised canon.


72. LoyalStarTrekFan - December 9, 2008

56 and 69, that’s only because TOS (The ORIGINAL Series) started it all and launched a 42 year franchise. However, Paramount made most of its money on the TNG era since TNG/DS9/VOY ran for 14 straight years!! I would also remind you that TNG had hit show ratings that would rival hit shows like CSI today. TOS did not. VOY did not. ENT did not. DS9 did not. TNG did. Your analysis of the TNG movies is somewhat correct but when Nemesis came out Lord of the Rings was in theaters and all of Star Trek had begun to struggle. It wasn’t a TNG problem, it was a Trek problem. There would no be concern about a post-Nemesis movie because you can do whatever you want in the future of Trek but the mythology established in the ENTIRE Star Trek franchise is in play when you do prequels. Yes, TOS started it all and is a classic, but it’s not the only Trek show with a mythology or loyal following. With all that said, you are correct when you say that the TOS crew is beloved and many people care about them. The same can be said for the TNG crew as well however and Cryptic is making Star Trek Online in the future of Star Trek (the 25th century) because they can do what they want and not violate canon or anything else and allow players more freedom in what they can do. It’s that simple.

70, you are correct about WoW. While it is a fun game to play, and it runs on practically anything (the best feature), the game designers did seem to forget that people have lives. I also hope that Cryptic doesn’t forget that fact. Your concern about simply shooting things in STO has been addressed by Cryptic. According to the game designers, diplomacy and exploration will be important to the game.

73. LoyalStarTrekFan - December 9, 2008

71, for me the ST EU is not confused. I don’t read the comics, I read the books and the books have established their own storyline and is, overall, quite excellent. Interesting and unique analysis btw.

74. Hat Rick - December 9, 2008

31, I cannot remember the last time I watched BSG. Is it still on?

Recently I watched a new episode of Robot Chicken, where (according to them) everyone is a Cylon on BSG. Well, aren’t they? I’m being facetious, but seriously, what is the deal with that Cylon thing? Wouldn’t it be weird if it was in fact true that everyone was a Cylon and that humans had died out a long time ago?

(In a galaxy far, far away, perhaps? But I digress.)

Anyone for a Star Trek / BSG / Star Wars literary mashup?

75. AJ - December 9, 2008

71: The EU will be largely ignored. I doubt players will be testifying before the Romulan senate or the Fed Council. It’s just a backdrop.

76. BK613 - December 9, 2008

We’ll just have to agree to disagree then. I do not wish to turn this “thread” into a BSG/anti-BSG discussion/flamefest. I will say that what you found as an example of “heavy thinking” in the New Caprica I found to be cliched, sophomoric, and trite*. No doubt a legacy of 40+ years of reading science-fiction (and other stuff). To each his own.

Thanks for the positive comments.

*(Analogy time :-) :Up until my teens, the largest body of water I viewed with my own eyes was twenty miles long and 2-4 miles wide. It was an impressive sight to me until I stood at the edge of the ocean. And, after making the transit from California to the Indian Ocean across the Pacific and back, and really coming to KNOW just how big a body of water can be, that lake looks very, very small to me now.)

77. S. John Ross - December 9, 2008

#59: Wow. First you sling mud with cliched knee-jerk fanboyism, and when that doesn’t work you just jump straight to unwarranted personal attacks. You must really feel very strongly about the inferiority of anyone with different tastes than yourself. :) C’mere for a hug, big guy.

#67: “I will say that what you found as an example of “heavy thinking” in the New Caprica I found to be cliched, sophomoric, and trite.”

Likewise, and I wish it weren’t so :(

78. Jim Durdan - December 9, 2008

Here is big nes of the day:

Cryptic just got bought out by Atari!

79. There's no enough scots in starfleet! - December 9, 2008

Well i personally can’t wait. Canon isn’t as important to me as entertainment.

80. There's no enough scots in starfleet! - December 9, 2008

oh and i had a wee shot a while back of City of heroes (Cryptics other mmo) and i gotta say that i was extremely impressed. The customisation levels were absolutely amazing. You could probably create any superhero that u could think off. I managed to create a wolverine-esque character, complete with retractible claws and super healing.
Was great, i reckon some folk should download the free trial and give it a whirl. Star Trek Online is in good hands :)

81. Aaron R. - December 9, 2008


82. TOS Enterprise - December 9, 2008

Battlestar Galactica won a Peabody–The Thinking Man’s
Emmy. Enough said.

83. YARN - December 9, 2008


BSG won the Peabody for 33, an early episode in the first season, before the series went massivly down hill. Started out great, no doubt.

BSG defined itself by being anti-Trek in a lot of ways. The show was anti techno, anti-(over)optimism, anti-canon, anti-alien-of-the-week, and so on. And it was cool. But the counter-virtues of BSG digressed into vices. The pessimism became overwhelming – the show became anti-humanist (not in the postmodernist sense, but in the “people suck” sense). The bold lack of concern with continuity resulted in dropped plot lines, retconning, and contradictions. The singular enemy resulted in the perpetual deferral of the alleged “plan”. The show is ending as a caricature of itself.

Trek digressed into well-known cul-de-sacs. BSG set out to boldly avoid these traps and fell into traps of its own. I think the lesson is that virtue (as Aristotle taught) is found midway between extremes.

84. TOS Enterprise - December 9, 2008

Re: 83 YARN – December 9, 2008

Wrong. The episode “33” won the Hugo Award for Best Dramatic Presentation.

Peabody Awards are for an entire series, not given out for single episodes.

From the Peabody website:

Battlestar Galactica (SCI FI)
Battlestar Galactica is not just another apocalyptic vision of the future but an intense drama that poses provocative questions regarding religion, politics, sex and what it truly means to be “human.” The saga is set in motion when Cylon robots revolt against their creators with a devastating series of nuclear attacks. What’s left of the human race, fewer than 50,000 refugees, roam the universe in a fleet led by the spacecraft Galactica. They must re-imagine their society even as they search for a new home. This dramatic premise, coupled with the threat from a new form of humanoid Cylons, affords diverse narrative and philosophical possibilities. Writers Ronald D. Moore, Toni Graphia, David Weddle, Bradley Thompson, Carla Robinson, Jeff Vlaming, Michael Angeli, and David Eick take full advantage to give us plotlines that are deeply personal and relatable, while never compromising their affinity and passion for science fiction. Moore, Graphia, and Eick are the executive producers. Harvey Frand is the producer. Directors Michael Rymer, Marita Grabiak, Allan Kroeker, Rod Hardy, Sergio Mimica-Gezzan, Robert Young, Brad Turner, Edward James Olmos, Jeff Woolnough, and Jonas Pate dazzle us, giving us a show that captivates on multiple levels. The cast includes Olmos, Mary McDonnell, Katee Sackhoff, Jamie Bamber, James Callis, Tricia Helfer, and Grace Park. For pushing the limits of science fiction and making it accessible to all, Battlestar Galactica receives a Peabody Award.

85. James Heaney - Wowbagger - December 10, 2008

#73: That’s precisely the problem. The ST EU is becoming coherent and internally consistent. That needs to stop, immediately. If it were to succeed, popular voice would carry the EU into full canon status. This would be catastrophic.

Aside from the terrible quality of recent Trek books (I cannot tolerate the TNG relaunch. It is dreck), you’d be instantly increasing the canon by a massive amount–something like double to quintuple its current size. Everything ever made thereafter would be doomed to choke on this enormous body of work (often very bad), and the free, open, sparsely populated Trekverse would instantly be crowded out by all the many, many different speculations and possible histories already recorded in the novels.

This has happened to Star Wars, where we saw the prequel movies suffering mightily because of their obsession with the EU canon. We’ve seen Star Wars video games have to tie themselves in increasingly complicated knots to find new adventures that Rogue Squadron can take during the movie timeline. And, of course, we’ve seen the long decline of the Wars novel series from the glory days of the Thrawn trilogy to the depressing state of today, where one can’t even enter into the present Legacy of the Force series without first absorbing twenty years of unwanted and often terrible book canon. This very fact continues to work to the detriment of the quality of the current crop of books, and the vicious circle continues.

If you want to make the books a part of your own personal canon, that’s fine. There are many books in my personal canon. But official canon *must* stick to the filmed works and very, very little more (say, the “Mosiac” Voyager novel or the upcoming “Countdown” comics)–and flirting with them by more than the occasional hat-tip is just plain dangerous. For the good of the franchise, the various sub-properties ought to remain as fragmented and uncoordinated as possible. If they can occasionally deliberately kick sand in each others’ faces, so much the better.

Yeah, it is a little wild-eyed crazy, isn’t it? :P

86. BK613 - December 10, 2008

As long as we are being technical, that Peabody was awarded in April 2006, for BSG “originally broadcast, cablecast or released for non-broadcast distribution during the previous calendar year” (2005.)

By the end of 2005, only the 13 episodes of the first season and ten episodes of the second season had aired in the U. S.. That is all that Peabody applies to. Not the last half of season 2 nor the 3rd and 4th seasons.

No one that you are “arguing” with has said that the show didn’t start out well, only that it went down hill from there.

87. TOS Enterprise - December 10, 2008

I’m not arguing with anyone. Just correcting mistakes. And pointing out that in my opinion Battlestar hasn’t gone down hill. Some of the second half of season 3 was eh, but so was some of the second half of season 2… whenever they try to do stand alone episodes (because the SCI FI channel was on their case to do stand alone stories) they faltered a little. But then again, Dirty Hands (a stand alone) was a great episode. So none of that is written in stone.

88. S. John Ross - December 10, 2008

#87: “And pointing out that in my opinion Battlestar hasn’t gone down hill.”

I think it’s an excellent sign of personal progress that you’ve acknowledged that it’s a matter of opinion.

89. YARN - December 10, 2008


Thank you for the correction

#87 BK613

Thank you for pointing out that my analysis still attaches.

Corrections and refinements aside, I stand by what I wrote in the original post (i.e., the actual point of the thing). ; )

90. Chris M - December 11, 2008

The Live Actions Television Series and Movies are Canon! :)

Anything else can only be considered Canon once it has appears in a Star Trek TV Series or Movie. Simple as that!

91. TOS Enterprise - December 11, 2008

Re: 88. S. John Ross – December 10, 2008

“I think it’s an excellent sign of personal progress that you’ve acknowledged that it’s a matter of opinion.”

There’s that old reliable Star Trek Fan condescending attitude of late…

92. S. John Ross - December 11, 2008

#91: All I can say is “wow,” dude. Just … wow. Hugs, man. What you need are hugs. is represented by Gorilla Nation. Please contact Gorilla Nation for ad rates, packages and general advertising information.