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Shatner Calls Abrams Feud ‘A Game’ – Claims He Was Shown ‘Fake Script’ December 15, 2008

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Abrams,Shatner,Star Trek (2009 film) , trackback

Did you think the William Shatner v JJ Abrams thing was over? Think again! In a new interview, The Shat is now claiming that it was all ‘a game,’ but he then says that Abrams and his team actually showed him a ‘fake script’ when they came to talk to him about the new Star Trek movie. And so here we go again!

 

Excerpts from AMC SciFi Scanner:

AMC: So what’s this feud with J.J. Abrams really all about?

Shatner: There’s more of a game going on than most people realize. The game reached its apex when J.J. said somewhere on-camera "When did my life become William Shatner talking to me on YouTube?"

AMC: That one was kind of my fault — you were responding to my interview with J.J.

Shatner: Really? [Laughs]. That made the whole thing worthwhile to me. I laughed out loud because that was the whole idea, to goad him into some kind of reaction — to manipulate the airwaves to get to him. It was really just for fun, and he obviously got it: It’s a public love letter to J.J., and I hope he’s laughing as much as I am because I’m having a delightful time.

AMC: Have you seen the new trailer?

Shatner: I haven’t. Does it look good?

AMC: There are actually two Kirks in it. An 8-year-old and Chris Pine.

Shatner: Oh, hysterical. What’s funny is that when they were talking to me before the movie started filming, they showed me a script. They said, "Now don’t tell anybody about the script." I read it and thought it wasn’t very good, but it turned out it wasn’t the script at all. I think it was a fake script they were giving to people!

…more at AMC.com

Fake script?
According to TrekMovie sources the big meeting with Shatner and the Abrams team happened in the Fall of 2006, which is before the script was even written (the script was handed in to Paramount in early 2007). So it is unclear what (if anything) they could have shown Shatner.

 

Shatner ‘playing tag’ with Abrams
If you missed it, we posted this video yesterday. Shatner talks to Access Hollywood about the Abrams Feud, and he watches the trailer (so apparently this video was shot after the AMC interview).

 

Comments

1. Andy Patterson - December 15, 2008

Aha!

2. Enterprisingguy - December 15, 2008

Oh Brother!!!

3. Q Macedonia - December 15, 2008

Shat… Get a life!

4. ety3 - December 15, 2008

I cannot fully express just how little I care about the “feud” at this point.

5. Captain Slow - December 15, 2008

I think shatner died years ago – but secretly he’s playing tricks with us by pretending to be alive!!!!

I know your game shatner!!!!!!!

6. Bob Tompkins - December 15, 2008

Oh, bother.

I think Shat knows he’s too old and too puffy to make any sort of a Kirk comeback.

this iks just his usual PR bullpuckey. The man is a master!

7. Denise de Arman - December 15, 2008

Oh brother is right.

8. Shatner_Fan_Prime - December 15, 2008

The Shat’s just having a laugh over all this. Good for him!

9. krikzil - December 15, 2008

Shatner’s probably just having fun with the press. The media is SO predictable wanting to start and fan the flames with so-called feuds all the time.

TheTakei thing probably falls in this category. Juice ratings and get him on his talk show.

10. Enterprise - December 15, 2008

Lol, Shat knows how to get into the press.

11. screaming satellite - December 15, 2008

i think thes still a chance he’ll be in the movie as Kirk prime

12. OneBuckFilms - December 15, 2008

Mr. Orci, could you shed some light on this?

13. Captain Roy Mustang - December 15, 2008

Shat needs to take chill pill and jst watch the movie an see how it turns out.
Im a trek fan of the original series but I am interesting in J.J. movie i want to see how it turns out

14. Shatner_Fan_Prime - December 15, 2008

“So it is unclear what (if anything) they could have shown Shatner.”

It might have been the script for White Comanche II.

15. Brett Campbell - December 15, 2008

9 – Hi Krikzil!

Is it May yet?

Just think, the movie could have been out by now if they’d stuck to the original plan of release dates.

It had better be pretty damned awesome for the wait until next spring.

Thank goodness for the Shat entertaining us in the meantime. :)

16. Andy Patterson - December 15, 2008

Shatner and T.O. must have the same publicist this week.

17. REDSHIRT - December 15, 2008

whats wrong with you people?

he’s having a good time. laughing.

needs to take a pill?

please

18. Mazzer - December 15, 2008

Of course he’s seen the trailer! I bet he was one of the first.

Anyway, yes, I’m sure he’ll have JJ on his new chat show as a guest (eventually). THAT will be worth seeing…

19. TrekMadeMeWonder - December 15, 2008

I wonder if it was my treatment. Good to know Bill still reads though.

20. classictrek - December 15, 2008

I honestly dont know what to make of it all. I love the shat and wish he was in this movie but i dont know why they would bother to show him a fake script! why would they want/need to do that?

I had hoped that Bill would have seen the excellent new trailer too and had commented on it. Im starting to wonder if he”s going to avoid the whole thing. it would be sad if he does.

Greg UK

21. Q Macedonia - December 15, 2008

“Fake script?
According to TrekMovie sources the big meeting with Shatner and the Abrams team happened in the Fall of 2006, which is before the script was even written (the script was handed in to Paramount in early 2007). So it is unclear what (if anything) they could have shown Shatner.”

They could’ve shown him an early draft. As a writer, i think that by Fall 2006 they would have been at the second draft. At least I would have used that dynamic. :)

22. Peter Lemonjello - December 15, 2008

Shatner finally spills the beans on the quality of the script. Nice one.

23. Stanky McFibberich - December 15, 2008

I believe any and all stories about “fakes” when it comes to this ill-advised production. :)

24. krikzil - December 15, 2008

” – Hi Krikzil! Is it May yet?”

Hi Brett! I wish it were May. I wish they’d released it in December more!

25. screaming satellite - December 15, 2008

maybe hes getting mixed up and it was the ‘chef’ Enterprise script :)

cant have been worse than ‘these are the voyages…’

26. Odkin - December 15, 2008

“So it is unclear what (if anything) they could have shown Shatner.”

Well, since he isn’t in the new movie, it clearly wasn’t a check.

27. Enterprise - December 15, 2008

Shat should have been the voice of the Enterprise. That would have been sweet.

28. Mav' - December 15, 2008

Come on, this is becoming really childish and annoying !!! Give it a rest Shat. So what, you’ve not been cast for this film. Big deal, you’ll always be the first and original Kirk. Every fan will know.

So, please, stop it, this is ridiculous.

29. YARN - December 15, 2008

I am sure that there is a quantum mechanical way to explain how there really is not feud…

Bill, get over it, you aren’t Kirk anymore, just exit the stage as gracefully as you can without knocking over the furniture.

30. screaming satellite - December 15, 2008

shatner will be in the movie at the end

think the end of 1987s masters of the universe…

31. Dennis Bailey - December 15, 2008

When the cameras roll, Shatner says whatever will get a laugh and confuse people. LOL

32. Babel Girl - December 15, 2008

The Shat is making war with JJ and Sulu!

33. Jordan - December 15, 2008

Uhhhh Shatner shut up. You just make things worse.

34. Dave - December 15, 2008

William Shatner is a weirdo.

That is all.

35. hitch1969© is back in 2008. - December 15, 2008

Could it possibly be….. Shatner IS in the new movie???

i am starting to think so. cross fingers

THE WOMEN!!

=h=

36. Greg2600 - December 15, 2008

Shatner is the master of sarcasm. Of course he’s having whatever fun he can of it. I laugh at his statements, and really LOL at the fans who are steamed by any thing he says.

37. Enterprise - December 15, 2008

Fake scrips aren’t canon.

38. richpit - December 15, 2008

Shat, please stop!!! We love you but, really, let it go!

39. Dave - December 15, 2008

I don’t know when this interview was… but Shatner DID see the trailer!
Look at yesterday’s “Shatcember Update” page and go down to the acces hollywood clip. He watched it right on television… unles this interview was before that show taped.

40. SupremeDalekOnTheBridge - December 15, 2008

Bill, stop moaning please!

41. Dave - December 15, 2008

p.s. Why does everybody tell Shatner to “Let it go” and “Give it up” ??? He’s not the one asking the questions. -And if you know you’re going to get asked the same question 97 million times… why not make a game out of it and have some fun with it …. rather than the other 2 choices which are to dodge it or get pissed everytime you get asked.

Lighten up TRUE BELIeVERS!

42. jondh - December 15, 2008

If this is a game to Shatner, he probably just made up the “fake script.”

43. Viking - December 15, 2008

Either The Shat is milking the PR angle of it for the sake of career embellishment, or he’s tamping down any remaining expactations of his appearance, so he can pop up at the end of the movie like a stripper out of a birthday cake and yell, “SURPRISE!” (I’m cool with that, as long as he’s not in a thong and pasties.)

I’d like to think the latter, by my life ain’t gonna go in the tank if it’s the former. Just show me the damn movie already!!!!!!! :-)

44. Bijillm shkaitnrerk - December 15, 2008

y’aw doe no shi’
shat, ee di man!
y’aw gaw say, “ye a noo ee was ini’, a sed ee ‘s ini’
bu’ y’aw doe no shi’
c’s shat ee di man!

45. Brett Campbell - December 15, 2008

Hi Krikzil!

“I wish they’d released it in December more!”

It would have been a nice Christmas present, but at least it will be something to look forward to this spring — to help me get through another long Vermont winter.

Best to you!

46. Jay El Jay - December 15, 2008

Can’t deny that the Shat is looking good…

I think he’s playing a very clever selfless game to promote the new movie. By creating a negative buzz around himself with these so called ‘fueds’ and making himself look bitter he is gaining alot of press coverage, which is all good for promoting this movie in some way.

Remember a few months ago when it was reported that the shat had a cameo in the movie? I think this is true, the media is always more acurate than people think and i believe this to be the big secret.

Frakes will also appear as Riker in TNG post nem part of this movie.

Take a look at the Shat before u comment…

47. Pete359 - December 15, 2008

I look forward to May 8th, 2009.

Not for the movie, but for the long awaited end to all this Bullshat.

48. McCoy's Gall Bladder - December 15, 2008

All Hail Shatner!

Hail Shat! Hail Shat!

The guy is a peach :-)

I’d rather see T.J. Hooker: The Movie anyway

49. lostrod - December 15, 2008

#28, #38

Why blame Mr. Shatner for interviewers asking the questions? Mr. Shatner had high praise for the movie and Mr. Abrams and obviously has a great sense of humor.

Regards,

50. Enterprise - December 15, 2008

Biil, will you do a Boston Legal spinoff show? Maybe be a night time court room judge in New York?

51. Daoud - December 15, 2008

I offer 200 quatloos for a copy of the fake script. ;)

(They’re worth 50 euros, right?)

Maybe Nero goes back in time to 2010 in the next movie, In Search Of T J Hooker and brings him back to the 24th century just to confuse everyone?

52. Canon Father - December 15, 2008

I LOVE William Shatner! I LOVE Denny Crane! I LOVE James Kirk!

But I have no problem with Shat not playing Kirk again. Kirk lived too long. He should have gone out in a blaze long before Generations. I’m glad he’s not in the movie.

I am, however, thrilled to see Nimoy play Spock again. Spock WOULD have lived a long time. Kirk, not.

53. Brodie - December 15, 2008

“I’m William Shatner. I can score anything.”

54. ThePhaige - December 15, 2008

It all just seems a bit strange to me, like somethings just off with this feud thing. I have no idea if Shatners in or out….dont care really…..but its just damn peculiar behavior IMO.

55. Paul-Fitz - December 15, 2008

I used to love Shatner, but all this is leaving me with a rather bitter sense of who he is, or is trying to be. Why not be gracious?
To save face and have some self respect.

He is great in Boston Legal, was the best Kirk (we’ve seen so far), and on all counts a nice guy. Shame to loose that Shat…

Just my thoughts.

56. Canon Father - December 15, 2008

I think Shatner is secretly jealous that Nimoy got the call, but not him. He’s trying to act gracious, but he’s hurt and annoyed. This is all understandable, but it was the right choice to exclude him.

Finally, after all these decades, Leonard Nimoy gets the spotlight and doesn’t have to be second banana. It’s long overdue.

57. Marcus Johnson - December 15, 2008

Mr. Shatner with all due respect give it a rest.

58. Paul - December 15, 2008

As Billy Bush said there is no Star Trek without Shatner’s portrayal. Do not think many would disagree that he made the TOS series & movies last longer than anyone expected.

However, as much as I love his contribution he gave a totally BS politicians answer when put on the spot here, then skirted around the issue about whether he wanted the movie to focus on him or not.

Shame as if he had just accepted the cameo everyone would have been happy but now think its 100% certain he will not be in the movie or ever play Kirk again.

59. Dom - December 15, 2008

Wasn’t aware that this had become an out and out ‘feud’!

Shat’s having fun publicising himself as usual!

The man’s a living god! :)

60. fred - December 15, 2008

It IS all a game.. Kirk will be in there in the last scene, count on it!

61. Q - December 15, 2008

J.J. is a young hotshot smart a?? who thinks he can do it w/o the old guys (except Nimoy) It would have been great, but, he wants to go his own direction and re write, script redo the franchise

62. TrekMadeMeWonder - December 15, 2008

60. fred

You betcha’.

63. Pokerface - December 15, 2008

I used to be annoyed with this whole feud between Shatner and JJ, but now for some reason I’m actually starting to enjoy this. It could just be a ploy by Shatner to stir up more pub for his new show, but I’m game. Let the drama continue!

64. TrekMadeMeWonder - December 15, 2008

re.: 61

In all honesty, I hope that the parting scene of Spock and the new crew will tell of Nimoy’s Spock departing to save Kirk and the Enterprise B, and finally arrest Sauran.

65. S. John Ross - December 15, 2008

According to quantum mechanics (the most advanced, successful, and tested scientific theory), William Shatner both _is_ and _is not_ in the movie. And quantum mechanics (being so tested, successful and advanced) wouldn’t lie.

66. scooter - December 15, 2008

Time for Shat to hang it up. He doesn’t matter any more.

67. Canon Father - December 15, 2008

The whole idea of Spock somehow rescuing Kirk from death is so ludicrous I shouldn’t even address it, but I just have.

This has about as much chance of happening as monkeys flying out of my colon. Just because some of you don’t like his demise in Generations doesn’t mean J.J. Abrams is going to “correct” it for you. That’s the most extreme case of wishful thinking I’ve ever heard. But it would be a dumbass way to end the movie.

68. boborci - December 15, 2008

have I mentioned lately what a successful theory Quantum Mechanics has turned out to be?

69. steve-o - December 15, 2008

i’m still confused about the quantum mechanics…
if this movie is all in some alternate reality why even bother going back in time if the original timeline will not be affected…. or am i just further confused.. time travel gives such a headache

70. CMX54 - December 15, 2008

Anxiously awaiting a Kingdom of the Spiders remake starring the Shat…

71. boborci - December 15, 2008

69. steve-o – December 15, 2008
“i’m still confused about the quantum mechanics…
if this movie is all in some alternate reality why even bother going back in time if the original timeline will not be affected…. or am i just further confused.. time travel gives such a headache”

That is the question, isn’t it? May 9th = answer.

72. Canon Father - December 15, 2008

How about a Big Bad Mama sequel?

73. Magic_Al - December 15, 2008

The time travel in the movie would have a butterfly effect that prevents Kirk’s death as we know it. There’s just no way Pine-Kirk ends up in exactly the same situations as Shatner-Kirk.

74. Jefferies Tuber - December 15, 2008

In 06 the script he alleges he received might have been from the Jordan Kerner-Kerry McCluggage were set to produce a Star Trek devoted exclusively to Starfleet Academy. Shatner could very well perceive that script to be a ‘fake,’ given that KO’s script partially takes place at the Academy.

I heard that the 06 meeting was just conceptual and that they didn’t see eye-to-eye. Shatner said he’d do a cameo, but only for full price. Paramount made a game attempt at negotiating, then withdrew. The filmmakers were bummed, because they love the guy. But they had no interest in making Kirk central to the movie, like Spock. In the end, they felt like Shatner made a financial decision rather than a creative one.

75. Kruge - December 15, 2008

Don’t you love when people post stuff like ‘I heard…’ and appoint themsevles as journalists? Who are your sources? where did you ‘hear’ this?

Anyway it has already been reported many times that the the Jendresen script had very little to do with SFA, it focused on the Romulan War. There was a SFA script by Harve Bennet that was one of the proposals for Star Trek VI back around 1990…lets hope Bill insn’t confusing meetings with Bennet from two deaces ago

76. dalek - December 15, 2008

#73 definitely. There’s just no way that such a massive event, that changes the entire history, the look of the ship, the place the Enterprise was built etc…. and Kirk still ends up dying on Veridian 3….

The fact that Kirk and Spock fight Romulans, and know who they are fighting, years before Balance of Terror, already changes everything, massively. Just the fact the Enterprise changed course, means everything single course and timing from that moment is altered irreperably.

I can buy that Kirk may defeat V’Ger again if he is roughly promoted to desk bound duty back at Starfleet at the same time. But the circumstance will also be different, even if the outcome is the same (eg defeating V’Ger).

Even if Shatner had a “cameo” it wouldn’t be a cameo as far as the character is concerned. He’d still be playing one of the central characters, just later in his life. The cameo couldn’t be any more significant, even if it was only a few minutes, just to show Kirk is alive and well and not destined to die at the hands of, pretty poor writing, for want of a better phrase.

77. dalek - December 15, 2008

#74 If it really happened the way you say it did, why didn’t you mention this in the past 18 months where people have been debating what happened back and forth til their fingers hurt. With such insider knowledge you could have ended all the speculation in a heart beat……

78. TrekMadeMeWonder - December 15, 2008

Bob still does not explain how such a device was created. By a scientist? Would’nt a the creatiion of a QM device like that promise the eventual destruction of the Universe? If it can be built, then someone is gonna make it.

This would lead to universal destruction, and from any number of scientists across the universe that would create such a device.

I say impossible and too fantastic an idea.
But I still gotta see this one. For sure.
I can’t wait!

79. braxus - December 15, 2008

I’m getting to the point where I don’t believe everything he says. Like others have said, it all sounds like a stunt for attention.

80. Third Remata'Klan - December 15, 2008

Oh my God….

81. Pragmaticus - December 15, 2008

Michael Dorn plays the President on Heroes!!!

82. charlie - December 15, 2008

Bill, like you said, “Get a life! It was just a TV show.”

Let it go, Bill, just let it go! Besides, who’s been paying your bills for the past few years, “Boston… ” who?

83. JimmyMac - December 15, 2008

Look for even more feuding as May approaches. Shatner is in this movie and this is all a major major PR stunt and it will work.

84. Xai - December 15, 2008

good grief.

He’s playing anyone that will listen. My dad says outrageous things like this to have fun with people.

I t ‘ s a j o k e.

Don’t make more of it than there is.

85. Xai - December 15, 2008

68. boborci – December 15, 2008
“have I mentioned lately what a successful theory Quantum Mechanics has turned out to be?”

Gosh, Mr. Orci, I heard it’s the bestest, most tested and the most swell of those scientific theory thingys!

86. Enterprise - December 15, 2008

I think Shatner invented Youtube.

87. Will - December 15, 2008

Whoa whoa whoa… a script was handed in a few months after the meeting with Shatner? SURELY they must have written it the night before they handed it in and not started it before that date with possibly a rough draft/first draft to show people…. o_O

88. Buzz Lancaster - December 15, 2008

.
Delicious…!!!

How gracious is Shatner…!!! The man is REALLY a genius…!

I wish I was so clever as him as to answer to my subjects and issues as good and elegantly as Shatner manages to answer to his interviewers…!!!

He is INDEED a MASTER of the media…!!! No doubt on how or why he got a Golden Globe and a so successful series part as Danny Crane AND/OR a new (and apparently good on reviews) host show as “Raw Nerve”…!!

He is and will ALWAYS be… my personal idol…!!

Cheers for The Shat…!!! And long life…!!!

Buzz
.

89. Joel - December 15, 2008

I have a feeling that Shatner has seen the trailer before this interview. I find it hard that, with the access he apparently has on the Internet in regards to his videos on YouTube, that he hasn’t taken the time to meander over to the movie site, Apple trailer site or YouTube to take a look at the trailer. I also think he was trying to look as if he was unimpressed but I’m sure he had more thoughts on it than “I think I saw Takei in there somewhere.”

90. 4 8 15 16 23 42 - December 15, 2008

The cat’s out of the bag. Shatner says he intended “to manipulate the airwaves to get to him”. That’s his whole schtick, like the whole “Raw Nerve” concept. Shatner is never seen directly, he’s all about showing a refraction of a reflection of a real person. He’s constantly manipulating his image, filtering it this way and that in the public sphere.

91. KennyB - December 15, 2008

Shatner has always been about the paycheck…..that’s all.

92. Xai - December 15, 2008

#92 Louis
Then please don’t go. oh, and you caplock is on. btw.

93. Xai - December 15, 2008

ummmm… Bill… Mr. Shatner

That fake script… was the code name for the movie “Charmin”?

94. TrekMadeMeWonder - December 15, 2008

JEEEZZZZ. I had to pause that.

Seriously, and logically.

Would’nt “Spock Prime,” once learning of Nero’s plot, simply go to his “Time Ship (?)” and then go back to save Kirk? He could time travel to the Enterprise B and beam his friend out of danger at the last moment, before the Nexus takes him?

Then Kirk and Spock could travel back to confront Nero.
I think they could have provided us with a CGI McCoy too.
Wierd, but still cool

Point being that they could have easily included Shatner.

I still think he’s gonna be in this one.

95. 750 Mang - December 15, 2008

So… riddle me this Batman… if this whole sucker (the new movie) is in an alternate timeline, as we have been told that it is from one of the writers, why no old Shatner Kirk?

He not only doesn’t have to come from the Real Timeline (where he dies in the Veridian system), but he doesn’t even have to come from the Bizarro Universe in the new movie (so our team doesn’t have to sacrifice the plot jeopardy of being able to kill off a major character… one good thing about the Bizarro Universe, Checkov could… well).

Why no Shat from a third universe, or timeline or whatever? They bent over backwards (and in the process apparently had no choice but to corrupt the history of our #1 Trek Hero, Kirk) so that Nimoy could appear in the movie, but no such efforts for Shatner?

“Curiouser and curiouser.”

96. TrekMadeMeWonder - December 15, 2008

95. 750 Mang

Good post!

LOL.

97. 750 Mang - December 15, 2008

68. boborci – December 15, 2008

“have I mentioned lately what a successful theory Quantum Mechanics has turned out to be?”

I’m sorry if you feel persecuted.

It’s not your choice in scientific theory that troubles me, it’s your choices in what you think is important to Star Trek and what you think is not.

Majel Barrett as the computer voice, to me anyway, is not as crucial as where we know these characters come from. Where we know they have been. Why we know they are who they are.

Does that make any sense?

98. Canon Father - December 15, 2008

I can see this is going to be another tedious and sad discussion of how Shatner could easily, and should, be in the movie.

I’ll be leaving this neighborhood now. I refuse to stay in the ghetto.

99. Anthony Pascale - December 15, 2008

guys please stop posting spoilers in non related articles.

100. TrekMadeMeWonder - December 15, 2008

lighten up, Canon Father.

I think he would be great in the sequel too.

101. 750 Mang - December 15, 2008

98. Canon Father – December 15, 2008

“I can see this is going to be another tedious and sad discussion of how Shatner could easily, and should, be in the movie.”

I think the movie could be fine either way. But we are being told that the only way to get Nimoy’s Spock in the new movie was to create a Bizarro Universe where Kirk’s backstory never happened.

So if the creative team is going to go that far to get Nimoy in the movie then why not bring back Shatner too? I mean there are no rules… right?

Whole new universe and all.

102. 750 Mang - December 15, 2008

99. Anthony Pascale – December 15, 2008

“guys please stop posting spoilers in non related articles.”

Sorry boss.

103. TrekMadeMeWonder - December 15, 2008

99. Anthony Pascale

“spoilers” ?

I reach.

104. CMX54 - December 15, 2008

“How about a Big Bad Mama sequel?”

Hey, he can do Big Bad Mama or Kingdom of the Spiders follow-ups and either would be cool, but if the Shat makes a White Comanche sequel, in the words of the late, great Joe Besser, l will personally give him SUCH A PINCH!!!

105. Gary Seven of Nine - December 15, 2008

I was really disappointed with the the Enterprise Series Finale. It would have been better if Isaac Hayes was Chef on the NX-01.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

25. screaming satellite – December 15, 2008

maybe hes getting mixed up and it was the ‘chef’ Enterprise script :)

cant have been worse than ‘these are the voyages…’

106. Jason P Hunt - director of "Burned" - December 15, 2008

Mr Orci, you’re not helping! ;)

That kind of double-speak is the perfect tool to keep the speculation going. Keep it up!
Or down. Quantum mechanics lets us have it both ways, right?

I think Shatner and Abrams are both participating in the classic Abrams distraction technique. At the end of all this, they’ll be dressed like penguins, waving their hands, saying “You didn’t see anythinnng.”

107. Katie G. - December 15, 2008

Wow. Is he so desperate for attention that he’s willing to alienate (no pun intended) his remaining fans? This is embarrassing. Guess he doesn’t care if it’s making him money. Maybe he’s laughing at everyone.

kg

108. Devon - December 15, 2008

#107 – How would Shatner be alienating the fans?

To Mr. Orci… Novelization for Star Trek in the works?

Thanks

109. Jordan - December 15, 2008

I still think they might have passed up a good opportunity to get Shatner in the film somehow. It’s more logical without him given Kirk’s death and his aged look since Generations, but (sigh) I just long to see Shat on the the big screen as Kirk again I suppose.

110. S. John Ross - December 15, 2008

It doesn’t matter if he is, or isn’t, alienating his remaining fans, because the universe in which he _doesn’t_ alienate them still exists. It is in no way invalidated.

111. Kirk Lives! - December 15, 2008

GET SHATNER IN THE MOVIE!

Seriously. My folks watched TOS when it aired, love the series. When they saw the trailer (the AICN version with Nimoy as Spock), they wondered “Where’s Shatner?”

These are intelligent, non-fanboy people. And they wondered where William Shatner was.

Think about it, Paramount. Others are wondering the same.

Film a scene. A cameo. A small scene. Straight to DVD or for the motion picture release in May. Just do it.

112. McCoy's Gall Bladder - December 15, 2008

Hi Bob O! ;-)

Did I mention that I’m a flat Earther?

I believe the Earth is a giant space pizza

and Shatner is a very hungry god ;-)

Hail Shat!

113. Katie G. - December 15, 2008

Maybe “alienating” is not the right word. Let’s try “embarrass” or… I don’t know. Maybe I’m the only one who feels this way. All I can do is speak for myself and say that that is MY reaction to everything. (However I have seen some folks’ comments and it seems they feel the same way.)

I was a huge fan. LOVED him as Captain Kirk (and T. J. Hooker). I would have been so proud of him if he had buried the hatchet with Takei (no matter who was right) and just refused to go on ad infinitum – – ad nauseum (hope that’s the correct usage of those phrases) – – about not being in the upcoming movie.

Now, the more he talks, the more I cringe. I’m a little disappointed with his behaviour (the whole thing with Takei, the new movie, J.J.)… It’s all just too much and it’s difficult to keep respect up for someone who carries on like that. Don’t get me wrong – – I’m not saying I’m better than he is, just that behaviour is hard to take, whether it is me or Mr. Shatner. So why do I keep reading these articles, you ask? I don’t know – – curiosity? Boredom? Couldn’t tell you.

Of course, he couldn’t care less whether I like him or not and neither could any of you guys and this is just the little opinion of one person…

kg

114. McCoy's Gall Bladder - December 15, 2008

Xai:

Sadly, old men say things just to hear their own voice, woe betide the young person that takes them seriously. I know, I am one. Just ignore us.

All others, including AP & BobO:

Spoilers? I dont need no stinking spoilers. I have the Shatnerverse.

Ashes of Eden and the Return are the best. I was let down by the Mirror Shatnerverse, and I never read the 3rd set. Ashes of Eden “reaches” me, and the Return is just a fun read that’s re-readable.

115. sean - December 16, 2008

I was recently reading an article about the Frost/Nixon interviews, and David Frost had said how Nixon liked to constantly keep people on edge, it was this sort of battle strategy to keep his opponent off balance. So he’d just pop out with these seemingly bizarre non sequiturs just to get a reaction. I think Shatman uses a similar strategy! :)

116. Admiral_Bumblebee - December 16, 2008

#68:
“have I mentioned lately what a successful theory Quantum Mechanics has turned out to be?”

Which allows very easily for William Shatner to appear in the movie as old Kirk… ;)

117. Iowagirl - December 16, 2008

I think some of you are taking this a bit too seriously and maybe a bit too lopsided (not excluding myself here…;) Shatner is applying his very special kind of humor – he’s been doing that for decades. Whether you like it or not – we all should know it by now. He isn’t alienating or embarrassing his fans as his humor, as much as it needs getting used to, has always been one of his trademarks. WTF should he let go? He’s been around for more than 50 years, he’s giving interviews, he’s answering questions, he’s making fun of others and himself – he’s still a great entertainer. And thankfully he won’t shut up, just because you tell him to. :)

Anyway, I for one am genuinely interested in what Shatner was actually shown in that initial meeting and why he would assume that it was “fake”. Maybe Mr. Abrams or Mr. Orci are willing to tell us. I’d highly appreciate that kind of interaction which could help to set the record straight.

#116
Exactly – very easily and as successfully as QM…:)

118. FishHead - December 16, 2008

the feud is kind of ridiculously…….

119. G-Boss - December 16, 2008

Jeez, Bill.

Give it a rest already.

120. Toddk - December 16, 2008

I think marlon Brando was paid a hefty sum (maybe pun intended) to be in apocolypse now and superman: the movie.. his part in both movies was just a short cameo….bill…you’re big..but not that big….heh heh…:)

121. commander K, USS Sovereign - December 16, 2008

Shat’s cameo would cost probably a quarter of the budget..like he hasn’t got enough cash already!

122. EvilSean - December 16, 2008

I can see the end of this movie now. Think the end of “Return of the Jedi”, where the spirits of Annaken Skywalker, Obi-Wan Yoda appear to luke at the end.

I bet you Spock will die of old age, and Shatner’s Cameo will be as a spirit, standing beside Spock smiling down on the younger Kirk and Spock.

Dadada daaaaaa daaaaa, dadada daaaa daaaa, dadada daaaaa daaaaa, dadadadaaaaaaa

123. Magister Returns - December 16, 2008

@117

Exactly. I too am confounded by people here caling for him to “stop” or the ever present “get a life.” The man is just answering questions posed to him and these comments are then put on this website. It doesn’t surprise me at all that he finds this as a great source of amusement. I have a feeling when May comes around Shatner will go see the film to support his friend LN, and he will heap praise on it all.

124. Toddk - December 16, 2008

# 122

I like that idea!

I’d be all for it!

Nice way for Nimoy and Shatner to pass the batton (permanantly) to Pine and Quinto!

Then the follow up movie can have the surviving cast members run around wondering why they didnt get a second farewell…..okay I’m tired and will now go to bed!

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

125. robot - December 16, 2008

Who the hell is this Shatner guy?

126. Randall - December 16, 2008

Come on people, use your god-given brains.

Abrams and Shatner are both professional show-biz types. And Shatner’s got decades of experience on Abrams. All this nonsense is clearly some kind of weird smokescreen–either Shatner is actually in the movie, or this is a way of drumming up interest and *publicity* in the movie, a little wink wink between Abrams and Shatner to work up the fans and the general media. And now Shatner has his own talk show… just in time for him to have Abrams on, maybe, as the release date comes close.

Look for this “feud” to get more and more into the mainstream news as May draws closer. It’ll get the media all abuzz, and surprise surprise, all this talk will be generated about this new Star Trek, which will play into the whole reboot idea–Shatner out, the old guard gone (with only the retired, distinguished Nimoy on board to pass the baton, as the sole–but sufficient–member to lend the project validity) and a “fresh new approach.”

127. Blowback - December 16, 2008

Well said Randall…

128. Chris Doohan - December 16, 2008

68.

LOL !!!!!!!

129. crazydaystrom - December 16, 2008

I’m crazy about the Shat, have been for decades, but I’m not totally insane. I don’t expect him to be in this film nor do I feel his absence alone will make this film any less ‘Trek’ or any less a great film. Hopefully it’ll be both of those things.

But, that said, I would absolutely love to see JJ and crew pull off the impossible trick of including Shat/Kirk and making it work in the story AND keeping it a secret until the release. You would be able to literally hear the web explosion even if you’re not logged on and no where near a computer! It would be so cool!

But I know, I know, ain’t happenin’. And I’m fine with that.

130. Brett Campbell - December 16, 2008

117 – Iowagirl — Didn’t the Talking Heads write a song about you?

Stop making sense…

Stop making sense…

Stop making sense… ;)

Happy holidays!! Hope you’re well.

131. Steve II - December 16, 2008

Granted, Shatner has been in the industry for a bazillion years but…this “feud” is really silly. It makes me uncomfortable for him.

Maybe they can wedge him into the next movie so that all will be happy.

132. Dansk - December 16, 2008

God, just SHUT UP. Get a life, Bill! I really am getting tired of hearing about his petty problems.

133. Julio - December 16, 2008

Shatner is so great… always entertaining.

134. Danpaine - December 16, 2008

This is all in good fun with the media, on both of their parts. Anyone here who has a problem with it…well, it’s Your problem. Relax.

Gotta love how Shatner works the media. Go Bill -

135. Iowagirl - December 16, 2008

#130
Honor overkill, Brett – remember, I’m just a simple fangirl…:D
Thanks for another reeaallly nice compliment. :)

Have great holidays, too!

136. Brett Campbell - December 16, 2008

Iowagirl —

I always honor overkill.

I’m just a simple-ton! ;)

137. MacKenzie Calhoun - December 16, 2008

Why are so many fans angry at Shatner? He’s brilliant! He’s a dream come true for J.J. and Paramount. By playing up this so called feud, he’s got every reporter and talk show host talking about the movie. It’s free press, it’s all in fun, and Shat’s having a laugh about it all. He’s promoting this movie more than any of the actors that are actually in it. BRILLIANT!

138. Shatner_Fan_Prime - December 16, 2008

#137 “He’s promoting this movie more than any of the actors that are actually in it. BRILLIANT!”

True that. Bill IN the movie would’ve been true brilliance.

139. ANDREA - December 16, 2008

all this stuff it’s a kind of joke to cover th real plot of this movie…. Shatner is in it! i’m sure…jj is that kind of guy… think about lost…cloverfield…etc.

he is a riddler!

old kirk is in the movie….!

140. ANDREA - December 16, 2008

….probably with blue eyes… shatner will be cool with blue eyes! i think Orci and Shatner and jj will have some fun stuff, in the edti room to see the colorized eyes of old kirk.

141. Andy Patterson - December 16, 2008

103

That’s real now.

142. The Underpants Monster - December 16, 2008

Oh, that Shatner! What WILL he say next?

143. The Underpants Monster - December 16, 2008

Bur srsly, now that I think about it:

I was all on board the it’s-better-to-leave-old-kirk-out-if-it-serves-a-good-story train. Heck, I was the chief coal stoker.

But now?

From what we’ve been told about the story (and we’ve gotten at least a quarter of it) it really doesn’t seem like a good or significant enough narrative to bend ANYTHING else to its needs. It seems like this team has worked very hard, stretching every rule of storytelling and everything that has come to be associated with the name “Star Trek” to tell a certain specific story in a certain specific way, to the point of invoking quantum mechanics – if I was going to do that it wold have to be in the service of The Best Darned Narrative In The History of Writing™. And I just dont see how what we’ve seen of the story so far can possibly qualify as that.

144. Mike Thompson (uk) - December 16, 2008

I’m still disappointed that Bill is not in the movie. He’s around and wanted to be in it. He will really start to slow down when he hits 80 & When he’s gone he’s Gone.

I was very sad Leonard was not in Generations when they wanted him, but I understand now.

Looking forward to the movie, getting Leonard has got my interest. Just there is something missing.

145. TrekMadeMeWonder - December 16, 2008

122. EvilSean – December 16, 2008
” I bet you Spock will die of old age, and Shatner’s Cameo will be as a spirit, standing beside Spock smiling down on the younger Kirk and Spock”

Right next to Jeffery Hunter. Starring as,… Ahh never mind..

146. Brett Campbell - December 16, 2008

145 – As Christopher Pike or as Jesus from “King of Kings”? ;)

147. bad new enterprise - December 16, 2008

I want this new star trek movie to be a total flop and the next movie to star SHATNER as captain kirk.

148. krikzil - December 16, 2008

#117/Iowagirl — as usual, totally agree. Bill has been doing this for years. He’s got a wicked and warped sense of humor and I love it.

“Why are so many fans angry at Shatner? He’s brilliant! He’s a dream come true for J.J. and Paramount. By playing up this so called feud, he’s got every reporter and talk show host talking about the movie. It’s free press…,”

Yes. There for a while, he was the ONLY press for the movie.

149. Dr. Image - December 16, 2008

All in all, to not have Nimoy and Shat together in this movie is really short-sighted.

The reality is, THERE MAY NOT BE ANOTHER CHANCE to do so.

Sad thought but- they won’t be around forever.

Will this film be look at as the last potential appearance of the original Kirk and Spock that didn’t happen? That would be tragic on many levels.

Hopefully, JJ has taken this into consideration.

150. TrekMadeMeWonder - December 16, 2008

146. Brett Campbell – December 16, 2008

” As Christopher Pike or as Jesus from “King of Kings”? ;)”

You got it! : )

151. TrekMadeMeWonder - December 16, 2008

Sorry. Yes. “King of Kings: LOL!

152. Bono Luthor - December 16, 2008

Bill Shatner is just the best. Simple as.

I am not saying this to inflame of start argument, but I can’t believe how ride and disrespectful some people are to him.

Shame on you.

153. screaming satellite - December 16, 2008

*in joker voice* Its all part of the plan…

154. Bono Luthor - December 16, 2008

I meant rude. Driving for 6 hours straight. Tired!

155. Brett Campbell - December 16, 2008

151 – I thought maybe.

I just watched the video of the interview with Shatner on “Access Hollywood” for the first time.

The man has got a sense of humor. Many of us could stand to get one, too.

156. Jeff - December 16, 2008

Shut your pie-hole Shatner. You are really starting to annoy me. Move on. Star Trek is OVER for you!

157. TrekMadeMeWonder - December 16, 2008

156. Jeff

Your so wrong to day that.

158. TrekMadeMeWonder - December 16, 2008

156. Jeff

Your so wrong to SAY that. Ahem.

159. The Invader (In Color) - December 16, 2008

When this planet goes on without William Shatner…I will cry.

It takes a lot to make me cry.

But…the man cracks me up bigtime.

He’s hilarious! And there’s simply no one like him.

They broke the mold when they made this guy.

160. Izzy_Ryder - December 16, 2008

apologies if i offend anyone but man, this guy is a dick, i love Star Trek dont get me wrong, and i love Cassic Trek more than any of the other series out there, but Bill Shatner as a person has aways seemed Bitter, Self centered and arrogant, how anyone can idolise him even when he makes comments like this, just because he played Captain Kirk, really puzzles me :s

between the Takei feud and the Abrams feud, he has shown himself to be nothing but a bitter old man in my eyes, the character of Kirk was great, but Shatner isnt Kirk. its all just a pathetic cry for attention, and hes getting it…..theres more about this mans petty arguments on here than there is about the new film!

161. dalek - December 16, 2008

#160 did you actually watch the video because its tongue in cheek and he had nothing but great things to say about JJ. One thinks you simply posted in here, like a few others in this thread, merely to assassinate Bill’s character.

I idolise him, and will continue to do so.

162. Brett Campbell - December 16, 2008

160 – Yup, he does seem to get people’s attention — even from those who give it begrudgingly.

But he still has your attention, doesn’t he?

He’s no fool, and when people complain about him, they’re still talking about him. Guess he’s in a win-win situation.

Like his character, he apparently doesn’t believe in the no-win scenario.

So, rant on, Shatner-haters. Rant on. He’s not going off the radar anytime soon. And you are all helping him stay in the spotlight.

God bless and long live the Shat!

163. Brett Campbell - December 16, 2008

156 – I don’t think that Star Trek will ever be over for Shatner. This film will only strengthen his legacy, just as all the later Bond films did for Sean Connery.

164. Brett Campbell - December 16, 2008

How ironic that post 156 comes right after the content of my post 155.

The wheels on the bus go round and round …

165. Deebo Shanks - December 16, 2008

So most of the cast members who have worked with Bill say he’s a douche. Wil Wheaton met him while they were filming Trek V, and Shatner scoffed at him and was very rude, apparently. Roddenberry reportedly set Bill straight. I honestly don’t care if SHatner’s a jerk or not. He’s entertaining. I don’t believe most of what he says, but if there’s a way for him to be Kirk in the new movie, I would probably enjoy seeing that. He’s still Shatner. He’s just ridiculously ridiculous and lovably lovable! How can you hate him?

166. destroyer1138 (formley asc-1138) - December 16, 2008

Bill rocks and he’s entitled to being disappointed. To the Shat haters, get over your jeolousy! You just wish you were even half as likeable.

The movie will be awesome without him, but he will certainly be welcome to add even more awesomenes to the next movie.

Live long and prosper Bill! Looking forward to seeing you in the next movie!

167. tom - December 16, 2008

Come on guys. just give him the cameo. all can make nice and joke about this for years to come

168. Devon - December 16, 2008

“How can you hate him?”

Based on past comments, apparently by working with him!

169. Iowagirl - December 17, 2008

#162, 163

That sums it up perfectly. :)

170. Brett Campbell - December 17, 2008

Thank you, Iowagirl. :)

Hope you are well!

171. Pineapples101 - December 17, 2008

Still the man god-damnit!

172. Andy Patterson - December 17, 2008

66

He still does to me.

173. Trek Nerd Central - December 17, 2008

“Feud.” rRight

Shatner & Abrams & Takei ought to get some funding from the NEA, because this is performance art.

He’s in the movie.

174. Trek Nerd Central - December 17, 2008

BTW, the Shat gets some love in this week’s New Yorker.

175. Shatner_Fan_Prime - December 17, 2008

Clint Eastwood, just 1 year older than Shat, is really looking his age in Gran Torino. By comparison, Shat looks great, and certainly exudes more energy than most men of any age!

176. Brett Campbell - December 17, 2008

175 – “[Shatner] certainly exudes more energy than most men of any age!”

How true that is! Boy, I wish I had half of his! All the work I could get done in a day!

177. krikzil - December 17, 2008

I’ve been on 2 of his sets and attended his fan club events (eons ago) with a friend who was a member. He was nothing but polite and funny. I was just a fan loitering on a set; he didn’t have to speak or acknowledge us and yet he did.

178. Andy D - December 17, 2008

I dont care what any of you say/think. Shatner is in this movie.

I fully expect to see him in Spocks original timeline when he returns. It would be very easy to pull off and to keep secret. Shatner and JJ probably planned this out way back in 2006. FAR too many inconsistencies in stories from both the Abrams side and the Shatner side.

179. Andy Patterson - December 17, 2008

178

I think that’s silly. Even preposterous. If it’s true I think it’s a genius con they’ve pulled on all of us. I hope you’re right. That’d be great.

180. Engon - December 17, 2008

You know…actors Jack Klugman and Norman Fell supposedly had this terrible feud which lasted more than 40 years. Klugman even kept it up after Fell’s death, saying that Fell’s was the “Best funeral I’ve ever been to. I’ve never laughed so hard in years. I had the time of my life.”

It has since been reported that is was all some kind of inside joke between them, which kind of explains how Klugman would have even been invited to the funeral. Early on, the feud may have been nothing more than a means for two struggling young actors to get some press attention.

I think the same is true of the Shatner/Takei feud. It began as genuine antipathy on Takei’s part but they’ve kept it up because they enjoy the publicity. It’s actually gracious of Shatner to do so, since he doesn’t really need the extra exposure.

181. Trek Nerd Central - December 17, 2008

#175. Whoa, wait a sec – didn’t Eastwood *make* that movie?

I’m guessing he has plenty of energy, considering he directed two films this year. And acted in one of them and wrote musical scores as well.

That said, Shatner’s been looking very fit lately. I’m just trying to be fair to Clint.

182. Engon - December 17, 2008

It would be so silly to resurrect Kirk from the dead in this movie. Star Trek has never resorted to such a canard…well, except for when…

Spock died and was resurrected in “Star Trek III,” or when
Scotty died and was resurrected in “The Changeling,” or when
McCoy died and was resurrected in “Shore Leave,” or when
Kirk “died” and was resurrected in “Amok Time,” or when
Chekov died and was resurrected in “Spectre of the Gun,” or when
Kirk was pronounced dead but wasn’t in “The Tholian Web,” or when
Spock’s consciousness appears to have been destroyed but wasn’t in “Return to Tomorrow,” or when…
Spock was “worse than dead” in “Spock’s Brain,” or when
Spock “killed” Kirk in “The Enterprise Incident…”

As McCoy says, “There are many such examples in nature.”

183. Brett Campbell - December 17, 2008

Krikzil, you’ve met him?! How cool is that?!

Thanks for reporting from personal experience that he’s a decent guy.

184. TrekMadeMeWonder - December 17, 2008

178. Andy D, 182. Engon and co.

WELL SAID!

But see #99.

185. Trek Nerd Central - December 17, 2008

182. Touche!

And I agree with Andy D in # 178. Shatner’s in it. The gentleman doth protest too much.

186. DEMODE - December 17, 2008

If Shatner is in this film, I guarantee DOUBLE the box office. We prpbably wont know until after it comes out. Part of me thinks that these “special screenings” where they show bits of the film to the press is so they dont all freak out when they dont get to screen the film before it is released. And why would they not get to screen it…. Mmmmmm….. So the surprise ending won’t be ruined, me thinks!!

187. Doug in Afghanistan - December 17, 2008

Speaking of “ST- Enterprise,” does anyone know if the series had continued for a fifth year (and onward — it is a damn shame that it didn’t) would Trip’s death been a subterfuge as it has become in the novels?

I, for one, refuse to accept Trip was meant to remain dead in canon. Anyone know if Manny Coto et al had plans if the series had gone forward?

Any thoughts anyone?

188. TrekMadeMeWonder - December 17, 2008

186. DEMODE

I did some basic reseach with this website and posted it here at TrekMovie a little while ago, but it got deleted by the TM staff for some reason or another. I think I posted it in a non-Shatner article. ; )

Basically my research consisted of counting the Shatner articles posted on TrekMovie for one year (Nov 07 to Nov 08). I included only the Shatner specific articles with replies above 300. Then I compared it to all the articles that were not Shatner based and counted them.

The results were…

47 articles (with +300 replies) that were about SHATNER
50 articles (with +300 replies) that were not about SHATNER

So, i think you are right with 50%.
At least here there seems to be almost 100% greater interest with William Shatner on board.

189. Spock - December 17, 2008

“Since when did my life become Shatner talking about me on Youtube?”

I think he should be grateful for even that!

190. The Underpants Monster - December 18, 2008

I would have loved to see Shatner as Kirk’s mean uncle in the new movie. I think it would have been wild to see him play a darker character.

191. Andy D - December 18, 2008

I LOVE how Shatner always says things like “My dear friend Leonard, he won’t even tell me what the movie is about!”. But now he says he was given a fake script. How would he know it was a fake script if he knew nothing about the movie?

And do you really believe that Bill and Leonard, best friends, are having dinner together and Nimoy is saying “Sorry Bill, cant give you the plot, even though if you visited trekmovie.com, you could see it for yourself”?

Bill has been all over the place with his statements. So has JJ, and Mr. Orci (who I love and think is great) has also made many odd and contradictory statements on the Shatner issue the past year or so right here at trekmovie.

Oh, and I also love how, when Nimoy was involved, we were all told that was because the story was basically a Spock story. Now we hear its a Kirk story.

Something very fishy going on here ladies and gents.

192. tribble - December 19, 2008

hm guys – what if this is all a biiig setup?

consider jj and william planning all this?

So that would be a big impact on the movie dont you think?

i think we will see Captain James T. Kirk 3 times in XI.

:D

193. TrekMadeMeWonder - December 19, 2008

I say 4 times.

Baby Kirk, Young Kirk, Adult Kirk and finally… well you know.

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