Preview of Star Trek Countdown #2 + Countdown #1 Sells out January 28, 2009
by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Comics, Star Trek (2009 film) , trackback
Two weeks ago today the first issue for "Star Trek Countdown," the prequel comic for the new Star Trek movie, was released. Today IDW announced the issue is completely sold out. They also released a preview image of the second issue coming in February. Check it out below [warning...major spoilers from issue one revealed in preview].
[Article discusses SPOILERS for comic and Star Trek movie]
Countdown #1 sells out, take a peek at #2
Today IDW Publisher and Editor in Chief Chris Ryal announced on his blog that the first issue of Star Trek Countdown has sold out, even though it was over printed. He cites the positive reviews from AICN, TrekMovie and others as part of the buzz leading to the sellout. Note that although IDW have sold out, it still may be available at some comic stores, but it won’t be for long.
So it is on to issue 2, which arrives February 25th. Ryal has provided a preview from that issue showing a Nero doing some research on what appears to be Starfleet history and what look like Captain Kirk. It also looks like Nero is on a Starfleet ship or at least using a Starfleet computer. Plus we can see a meeting between Spock and Captain Data, presumably on board the USS Enterprise.
Pages 7&8 of Star Trek Countdown #2
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IDW has also recently released the cover for the Trade Paperback for Countdown coming out in April.
Countdown Trade Paperback Cover
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Reserve your Star Trek Countdown – Issue 4 now available to pre-order
With issues selling out fast it is a good idea to reserve your own in advance. You can do this at your local comic shop, or online at TFAW.com. Or you can wait until April and pick up the trade paperback, which includes all four issues.
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Interesting! The first issue was neat (if not too short), so I will be eagerly waiting to see what issue 2 has in store for us!
Well, at least the comic rendition of the Enterprise E got rid of those dumb phaser additions.
This has me legitimately interested in and excited about a Trek comic for the first time in years. :D
Wow. Sellout. Glad I subscribed.
Data has a portrait of Spot in his ready room. Aw…
Starfleet
History
Enterprise
Captains
Looks like Data is checking out Jim Kirk…
Oops.
Nero of course.
Is that a cat on Datas wall? Maybe Spot.
That Kirk looks like Bill Shatner.
I wonder if that painting in the ready room means Spot’s a goner.
Artwork looks b*tchin’!
I’m still wondering when this takes place? Trekmovie previously reported “8 years after Nemesis,” yet in issue 1, Spock states that Romulus has been his home for 40 years. Help?
Is it explained anywhere how Data was resurrected?
re: 12:
mmmm…. perhaps years on Romulus are shorter than years on Earth, or Vulcan.
i agree number 9.
Is that freaken b-4 or data!!! God I hated B-4!
From nemesis….
“where can i go?”
#12- I was thinking the same thing. 20 years, maybe? Reunification was about 20 years ago. Unless Spock, at some point, made secret trips to Romulus decades prior that Starfleet was unaware of.
I just purchased the trade paperback…….I would rather read it all at once instead of waiting a month in between each issue. I was a horrible comic collector when I was a kid.
Maybe B-4 assimilated all of Data’s memory and it just took time? Hmm, that’d make sense right?
#10 Data painted that during TNG’s run. He’s had it for a while.
Jim Kirk appears to be a hologram, as do the displays on Datas desk.
18. That is kind of what I was thinking. As we all well know B4 never really had much upstairs. I imagine Data’s programing took over…..so to speak.
I’m glad i picked up the first issue =)
I’m definitely looking forward to the next one
W00t i’m glad I ordered all 4 plus the paperback
It’s quite possible Spock was on Romulus for some time before we saw him in Unification, which is 2368; Nemesis is 11 years later approximately 2379 and 8 years after that gives us 2387. The timeframe of this scene may be even later than that, however.
I’m not exactly buying B-4 becoming Data – while he might possess Data’s memories, his neural net was far less sophisticated. Is this maybe an alternate future we’re seeing? Early 25th century maybe?
hmm datas wearing the star trek online uniform…
of course the kirk look like shatner – pine plays the young one
ergo in 10 years pine will look like shatner
ergo then we have shatner x2 O.o
oh my
iam weired
I strongly suspect that Datas remains may have been recovered after the Scimitar exploded. It is quite possible Spock may have helped with that effort, especially since Data and Spock had a rapport during Unification. We may get some clues in the Comic as to what happened.
Nero might be trying to gain information on Spock, and his past, and finding the information on Kirk and the Enterprise.
Something in those records lead to his hunting down the Kelvin in the past to prevent Kirk’s birth, and thus prevent something involving Red Matter from occurring.
It is possible that he blames Kirk, Spock and the Enterprise for causing the star to go critical in the first place, thus threatening the Romulan Empire. Kind of a Chicken and Egg situation.
Once we get back there, it may turn out that in an effort to stop things, Nero eventually causes the problem himself. The Cure becomes the Cause.
Now THAT would be interesting.
Amen on the B-4 analogy! Is this data/B-4 captian of the enterprise now! Man i am really confused……..
I still can’t get over Data being Captain of the Enterprise. First off, he’s not really Data, he’s B-4 with Data’s memories. Secondly, Data had a hard enough time being accepted as a sentient lifeform, let alone have command of his own ship. I would think Starfleet would use the whole “He’s not really Data, we can’t trust Shinzon’s android” argument to keep him from getting his own command. This is something I’d like to see talked about in a book or comic.
Quick reminder for UK fans and probably will be on youtube for everyone else im sure…
The Shat is on The Jonathan Ross show this Friday night BBC One!
My best guess re: data/b4:
If this is set a few years post-nemesis, and it is captain Data, not captain Picard, and we know there is an upcoming issue w/ Picard on the cover, I wonder if the time-jumping begins here in the comics, with Nero or Spock going back a few years to Picard’s years on the ent-E prior to “nemesis”, somehow affecting the outcome of the “nemesis” timeline so that Data is never killed…Data was promoted to 1st officer since Riker was leaving so a natural end result would be Data’s eventual captaincy of the Enterprise. Or we could be getting a story that works Picard in b/c of his connection to Spock. Just spitballing here, folks…
Re. the time issue … I think the writers just fudged up with the “40 years” line. :-) If Picard is in this thing (cover #3), it seems unlikely this takes place decades after Nemesis (unless his appearance is a flashback, which is totally possible).
Isn’t Data’s head sitting in a cave San Francisco? Maybe they retrieved it and stuck it on B4’s body and then transfered all of B4’s memories back to Data. Yikes!
It takes place 8 years after Nemesis, Spock could have easily lived on Romulus for 40 years because Unification took place nearly 80 years after the original movies
The comic makes me feel a little sad, that there was no proper send off for TNG.
There are so many possibilities regarding B4/Data
–Graphed Dada’s memories on Lore’s head
–Found Data’s head in the Scimitar’s wreckage
–Upgraded the hell out of B4
–32’s suggestion of Time’s Arrow scenario
–Made it so Data never dies
I could go on and on, but I am ELATED to know he’s back! I don’t really care how, just knowing he’s back and that Nemesis’ biggest downer has been undone makes me happy as can be! I’ve watched ST 10 at least five times since this news broke.
Now I hope they don’t kill Picard God that would suck.
Data is a robot. (though he likes to classify himself as an android, fair enough, but he’s still a robot). Robots can be upgraded, duplicated, repaired, etc. etc.
I think we’re seeing the B4 hardware that was taken over by Data’s programing, that’s the most logical assumption. Maybe it’s something else, but it really doesn’t matter and I doubt the comic will bother to explain it.
#30 i agree with you… thats my first thought as well
heres what i dont get. kirk sacrifices everything in 3 to go back to genesis to get spock. he even lost his son. so its pretty much established that kirk and spock mean alot to each other.
then why, in 7 – generations – is kirk alone? dying alone, although he predicted that. but still. why did spock go to romulus? basically what i am saying is that around the time of 10 – nemesis – you pretty much get the impression that kirk and spock were simply coworkers who happened to work together for a few years and then went their separate ways.
its not consistent with the events of 3, 4, or 6. maybe even 5. you’d think after all these guys went through together and sacrificed for each other that the only next logical step would be for them to come out of the closet for each other. retire together. maybe go on adventures together. did kirk even know about spock’s work with the romulans? did spock even know that kirk died in the nexus?
are we really to BILLieve that in the origin story, spock hates kirk and hits him and all that? uhura serving budweisers and the enterprise being built in iowa?
they found B4 but no one even mentions lore? now data’s back, captain of the enterprise?
none of this is making sense today…
THE WOMEN!!
=h=
wheres captian picard? did he come down with that Irumodic Syndrome from all go0d things… or did he just get promoted?
#39 … If indeed this takes place 8 years after Nemesis, Picard would be about 70. The right age for a promotion to Admiral, I would think.
What, did everybody missing seeing Star Trek 10 1/2: The Search For Data, and Star Trek 10 7/8: The Voyage Lore? Of course that’s the New [tm] and Improved [tm] Data, made of the best parts of B4, Lore, Data’s remains, and a few pieces of Borg left lying around…. Ah, the measure of a mandroid.
Countdown # 1 was a fantastic read, if just a little too short. It was exciting and well-written. Can’t wait for #2.
God bless!
40 Yes, I’d say Picard’s been put out to “Pasteur”. :)
Wait, so I can’t buy the First issue anymore? They’d better be making more, or I’m going to anything BUT happy.
Hitch, none of it is making sense to me, either, but I’m on my third glass of wine, so that may have something to do with it. LMAO
So basically anyone can be a captain, now?
Ezri Dax, B-4…
Who’s next, Reg Barclay?
I would say it’s a alternate Universe, instead of Data getting killed on the Scimitar, Picard died. Spock went to Romulus right after Kirk vanished in the Nexus, or wherever he went in this Universe. So it’s makes Perfect Sense that Data is the Captain of the Enterprise.
Or Maybe this Universe is already changed by Nero…
Whatever, Spock will go back in Time an help making the Future look like a SciFi Series from the 60’s. ;-)
Spot would probably be well past a cat’s lifespan by now.
Maybe “captain Data” is actually captain B4, and the Big E crew made a pact not to tell anyone it wasn’t Data.
Issue 1 was plenty groovy, I’ll pick up two as well. I do like the art, much better than the majority of IDW’s Trek titles.
Four decades does seem a little excessive. Since Unification happened sometime around 2368, forty years later would put them well into the 2400’s (on a side note, this calm Romulan Empire does NOT seem to reflect the history produced by Star Trek Online). With Nemesis being about 2379, fourteen seems a bit more in line than forty.
So, it looks like Nero is checking stuff on Decalithium, but such subjects are suspended- is his trying to find info on those subjects what leads him to Kirk? Or is he just researching the Enterprise since he seems to be on board?
I like the original looking Kirk…. now if they could give us a pic of the TOS E, that would be sweet…
I always thought Data looked better in red. Brings out his skin tone…
=A=
This has got me excited for Star Trek comics. I usually never buy comics and only purchased TPB’s of Batman, Iron Man, and Spawn. I was a fan of comics when I was a kid around 7 years old around 1991 but sort of died off for me. And it was because of the gorgeous style of ink work and coloring that I have become interested in comics again. Older comics only hold nostalgic interest for me, where comics of today are fantastic. I have never been interested in Star Trek comics the way I am now, with countdown. And looking at IDW’s other trek comics, well they are great. I really like the Mirror Images, New Frontier, and Year Four series. Regardless…waiting for countdown 2,3, and 4 is driving me nuts lol.
I still don’t understand the motivation for Spock to follow Nero. If Nero’s creating a different timeline, why should he care ? If he messes up the prime timeline, Abrams and Orci wipe out 24th century Trek.
REALLY glad I got my copy of issue #1 when I did. I picked it up around 12:30PM on its release day and it was already the last copy the comic shop had. I’ll make sure I get back in plenty of time on Feb. 25th for the 2nd issue.
GREAT series by the way. Really seems to be a great set-up for the movie.
38#…it’s so easy Hitchy why Spock isnt with Kirk when he dies….ya see Nimoy didn’t want to be in the movie. Ya see Hitchy IT”S A MOVIEEEEEEEEEEE.
46
Capt. Broccoli has a nice ring to it…
38:
Hitch:
I think you have to go back and look at “STVI TUC” and start from the scene where the ENT crew is called out of retirement to hear Spock’s rant about Praxis, etc.
I think it’s already clear then that Spock has moved on to diplomacy as his first priority. And hearing Kirk’s bigotry so at odds with Spock’s plea to aid the Klingons, signifies a break between the two friends. Perhaps it is post-death Spock’s point of difference from the one who dies in TWOK. He does make up with Sarek at the end of IV. Another point of difference.
Why he chooses “unification” as his thing is unclear, and it would make a good story. One thing’s for sure, his human friends are getting old and moving on. in TUC, he’s still young, and he has a lot to do.
I think the Spock backstory post-TOS would definitely include grieving for his friend, Kirk. But, obviously, he leaves Starfleet, gets married (assuming he’s Sarek’s only son after Sybok died), and gets on with things. Maybe he marries a Romulan, or Saavik, a hybrid, and gets an inspiration. A good writer should write it,
#32
That head is already on his body, remember? It was removed in the 19th Century, then put back on in the 24th.
#38
Hitch buddy, it’s like this – from Spock’s point of view, Kirk was dead. Even if his Vulcan mojo somehow let him in on the fact that Kirk had popped out of the Nexus and onto Veridian, it was for all of 7 minutes. Spock is good, but he ain’t that good.
“Captain R-R-Re-Reginald Barclay reporting for duty”
Please no
Regarding Capt. Data: The dude is not organic. The Enterprise could replicate a replacement Data in seconds. On VOY they replicated an alien shuttle on the fly, so why wouldn’t the Enterprise be able to do the same thing with something 1/50th the size?
Re. Captain Data – I’ve already posted this, but it was a little late in the game…
It’s obvious.
Spock went back in time in his (cloaked) timeship & beamed Data out of the firing chamber on the Simitar a 25th of a second before the Thaleron matrix exploded.
He then held Data in the pattern buffer, warped to the vicinity of a the nearest federation starbase, and dropped him a few year’s drifitng time (3-4 billion km) away from the base.
Data finds himself drifting in space, assumes he got blasted away from the explosion, and shuts himself down to await rescue.
A decade or so later, he shows up on the perimeter sensors of the base and is rescued.
Thus, DATA LIVES!
What if Spock goes into the alternate timeline, not to save the-Kirk-who-isn’t-his-Kirk, but to try to save Nero – who *is* from his timeline? Like trying to save him from his own misguided ways? Spock doesn’t have the greatest track record when it comes to proteges. And thus saving the not-Kirk Kirk would be a sort of side consequence.
#60 It’s one Thing to replicat Spare parts to build a Shuttle. But it’s something other to build a Positron Network that function like a Brain. Data himself tried it once with Lal. But he messed up. So even when the Voyager can replicate one Shuttle after the other (I think the Crews of the Maquis and the Equinox worked on the double to build new Shuttles, that’s why they vanished after a few Episodes), the Enterprise can’t replicate a new Data.
62- Steve that’s brilliant! We’ve been assuming all along Spock is there to set Kirk on the right path- but he may know very well this is “just” an alternate timeline and is only manipulating NewKirk to save Nero. That REALLY makes more sense than Spock trying to fix the outcome of a secondary universe.
…The amazing thing is that this official in-canon prequel shows Nero not as this evil villain, but as a hero trying to save Romulus from a hypernova. Not cut-and-dried villany for once!
Maybe after a few years, someone just figured out how to rebuild DATA. I think his knowledge and memories were uploaded to B4. Maybe DATA did a “Brain episode” where he just told Geordi what to do, and get on with it.
Geordi: “I knew it! I should have never reconnected his mouth!”
Nice #61… Robot B-9 would be much better than B4…
Star Trek is so much better when it’s greatest characters are involved.
AJ:
There’ve actually been several novels dealing with the character arc for Spock which you described. You should track them down. ;)
#62 – This is a thought that has crossed my mind as well!
Honestly, I’d suspect that the writers just forgot how long Spock was supposed to be on Romulus. Spock was a Federation ambassador for almost 80 years before he decided to run off to Romulus.
Moving on from that, It looks to me that Nero is the one hacking Starfleet’s database, not Data.
As for Data being alive and in command of the Enterprise…Whiskey Tango Foxtrot????
I like the idea of finding Data’s head in the Scimitar wreckage. I assume he would pick up some token behavioral tic to remind us that even though he’s been put back together, at one point he was blown into small pieces. Maybe a bum leg, or bad hearing in his left ear, or he can no longer taste sweets.
I’m sorry… did he (IDW Publisher and Editor in Chief Chris Ryal) just say that it (the comic books) have sold out even though they were overprinted (which is rare)???
As someone who knows something of the comix biz, all I can say is.. Wow!
Feel the buzz JJ Abrams! Wooooooooooo!
#26
i think nothing can be recovered that is standing 2 feet nearby
an energy explosion this strong.
I guess Data got vaporised in 0.342 seconds after he
fired his phaser right into the energy beam.
so iam also confused –
maybe altered timline but that cant be nero is there and
not travelled back yet.
timetravell itself – difficult to get him out of there in time
well 0.342 seconds might be enough to get transporter
lock and but his particles have to transport veeery fast
not to be affected by the blast.
Or Geordi uses a plasma synchonizer to ignite an energy burst
to b4s head that fries the synaptic positron links to the
complexity like datas and whhoop here he is again.
(and b4s mnid getting also fried of course muharr)
Buuuuuuut theres another Sollution noone has thought about
yet ——– about his oooold firiend —-
yes the one an mighty ——–> Q !!!!!!!!!!!
Q saves the day :)
Who noticed the lazy computer displays in issue one?
Come on, They were cut and paste. Many of them were screenshots of the AWESOME Star Trek TNG: A Final Unity msDOS game from 1995!
Ok. There are a lot of Great Possibilities. But I think that nero already went back in time But not to far back and simply changed enough that Data was never Killed and then he Simply Took Command after Picard was promoted.
62> What if Spock goes into the alternate timeline, not to save the-Kirk-who-isn’t-his-Kirk, but to try to save Nero – who *is* from his timeline? Like trying to save him from his own misguided ways? Spock doesn’t have the greatest track record when it comes to proteges. And thus saving the not-Kirk Kirk would be a sort of side consequence.
Or, alternatively, what if he wants to take him back to his home timeline for a trial?
Seriously, think of the ST09-Timeline as a country without an extradition treaty with the prime-timeline…
Cool that Shatner’s visage as TOS Kirk is associated with this comic, at least.
I think the Data thing is pretty obvious. At the end of Nemesis there was a MAJOR hint that the memory/brain transfer of Data worked on B-4, since he started whistling Blue Skies, which he probably would have never known before that transfer, besides being a HUGE coincidence if he did.
It’s reasonable to imagine that Data’s personality and memories took over, and with the help of Geordi, who spent what like 15 years with Data, helped him in upgrading to his former level. Also, didn’t Data build a daughter in one episode? It’s reasonable to assume he and Geordi knew how he worked pretty well by Nemesis.
Now I would hope that Picard was forced into retirement, seeing as Captain Kirk told him not let them promote him or transfer him so long as he wanted to make a difference.
I’m also glad to see the cross-media cooperation between the comics, novels and MMO. Maybe there’s hope for a real Star Trek EU yet…
Aw, I’m still waiting for the first to come. :(
I’ve got to catch up- missed #1.
This backstory-story sounds quite intriguing.
Neat artwork, but Picard looks like Killface on that cover.
Please forgive my ignorance, but I thought Abrams legally swore everyone to secrecy about the plot and now there are comic books that reveal potential plot points?
Also, I thought this was a TOS story?
There isn’t going to be a Captain Data in the new movie is there?
Am I just misunderstanding what this comic book is?
Help me.
thanks : )
69: Edgar:
Thanks for the info, and do tell!
Are they any good?
Thanks to all who bought a copy!
Hello Mr. Orci,
You are very welcome. I only wish mine had a few autographs on it :(
#79
So it’s kinda Star Trek 3 all over again.
Spock dies but has HIS memories (katra) transplanted from McCoy back into his new body (courtesy of the Genesis effect) and instead of “needs of the many outweighs the needs of the few” as the phrase to let us know Spock is back in there, we have B4 whistling “Blue Skies” to let us know Data is in there.
Hmmmmmmmmm.
interesting.
; )
Oh, and hello Mr Orci.
Look at the cover of the 2nd Comic Book. It features Data with his uniform with his Starfleet uniform with rigged, grey upper part, which has been used since the 5th season of DS9, Star Trek: First Contact and some eps of VOY.
Then look at Captain Data in his office. He’s obviously wearing a newer designed uniform with a communicator that has a similar design to the crewmen of the Federation Timeship Realitivity. Then, something that strikes me is how worried Data looks like. Bit like Ensign Harry Kim in ‘Timeless’.
I guess it’s not Nero who wants to correct the timeline, but it’s Data. Data’s suffering from an identity crisis being in B4’s body, but in fact being Data. I guess Data is going to travel back to 2379….during the events of ‘Nemesis’.
Nero’s just lucky to discover Data’s plans….I guess. And he secretively uses Data’s plans.
Anyone?
#9: That’s what I was thinking, too. Looks like Nero’s not only looking to jump quantum whatchamacalits, he’s deliberately fiddling with the universe to recast Kirk :)
All that said, a few wince-inducing lines aside (and I’m not talking about the casual Romulans) I did enjoy the first issue.
fantastic reveal… thanks for this taste.
is it just me or does neros display run on lcars
For those of us that missed out on the first one is there anywhere we can go to read a summary of the events in this comic?
Hi Bob
Glad this is selling like hot cakes….so what is my cut?
#82 – It is a “prequel” story leading up to the new movie.
Any actual *numbers* on how many copies were sold?
Hi Bob
I love the story thus far from issue #1 ! I can’t wait to get my hands on book #2 !!!!
Mr. Orci, quick question. All of this retrospective thinking has brought up a question I’ve had for a while about the original E/ the now alternate E.
And no, it isn’t really story related…
Will we actually see the Enterprise saucer sept in this movie? Please say yes? Maybe?
Definitely not too much vagina prodding going on in here then ….
#57 When Sarek mentioned his son’s wedding, was he talking about Spock and, say, Saavik? Or did he, in his delerium, mean the one with Spock and T’Pring? This is the kind of thing that keeps me awake at night.
Sell out? Yeah right, I think that’s all bull**** just to start hype.
There are tons of issue #1 at the comic book store that I go to.
All this stuff is really exciting! Star Trek lives again.
I’m gonna get the trade paper back in April so I don’t have to wait every month for the story to continue.
However, Mr. Orci, you still owe me an explanation ;-)
If the movie is for movie fans, why make a comic and not connect the developments of the 24th with the 23rd century IN THE MOVIE…
You have to know Sergio Leone’s ONCE UPON A TIME IN AMERICA is my all time faforite and this is dealing also with a bunch of time levels ;-)
But then again, that’s 220 minutes…
Best regards,
cinemdeus
84 Thanks to all who bought a copy!
Hello Mr. Orci,
the Kirk looks like Mr. Shatner….I think I will buy a copy, too :-)
The Handsome Genius Club has a review of #1 online at http://handsomegeniusclub.blogspot.com/2009/01/hgc-comic-rack-star-trek-countdown-1.html
#29 – Thanks for the reminder
Oh great preview and great comic, loved issue #1. Still love the TNG era best, Go Captain Data! ;)
Maybe by the time Countdown takes place the Daystrom institute has become capable of duplicating Soong’s work. Perhaps they built a new Data body and transferred B4’s store of Data memories across to the new body. There could be a lot of synthetic beings working in Starfleet at this point.
I mean, c’mon. Are you telling me that in something as enormous as the Federation, along with the more peaceable Klingon and Romulan empires, there are no scientists or organisations that can’t progress beyond Soong’s work?!
Two things:
One, Anthony, Orci or anyone at IDW, can you update us on the official timeline for these comics. Is it 8 years or closer to 28 years after Nemesis? Or will the other 3 comics make that clear.
Two re: What Nero is researching… Why is access to Memory Alpha denied, I thought it was open to all federation and more importantly ANYONE in the galaxy. And the Hobus System access denied, what kind of a system is this, what kind of info does Starfleet have on this system and why would it be restricted?
Having denied access to a star system in his own beloved Empire might cause Nero to question Spock and now the Federations true intentions.
One thing that I continually see in the comments is that you all seem to accept that the Sovereign class ship we see is actually the Enterprise-E, yet there are no markings that denote its name anywhere on it. I’m guessing the issues will have to involve a lot of time jumps since “Data/B-4″ isn’t wearing the First Contact uniform like Picard is on the cover.
Anyone notice that Nero doesn’t have access to Memory Alpha? Apparently I have a higher clearance than he does because all I have to do is Google it.
#109
I believe Captain Data states “This is Captain Data of the Starship Enterprise.” Unless you’re asserting that there is a second Soverign class Enterprise (Enterprise-F?) then I don’t think there is much room for argument.
#31—”I think the writers just fudged up with the “40 years” line.”
That was my thought as well. I’m not inclined to believe that Trekmovie’s suggestion that the story takes place 8 years after the events depicted in Nemesis was unfounded.
#38, #57—-I really don’t think there is any reason to believe that Spock would even be aware of the Nexus incident, at least around the time it happened. He had probably already reconciled with Jim Kirk’s death after the incident aboard the Enterprise-B.
It seems unlikely to me that he would have maintained any correspondence with Picard after the events depicted in “Unification”, given the fact that he remained on Romulus. But without knowing the nature and timeframe of the relationship he has apparently maintained with Data to some extent, it is difficult to be sure what he knew about it or didn’t. One thing that is certain is that Spock was prepared to lose his human friends.
It would only be logical, given the difference in lifespans. And I also like to think that he married Saavik. That seems logical as well.
I think the idea of ‘rebuilding’ Data is being thought of as too straightforward. Not only did Data himself struggle to build an android from scratch, and Dr Soong struggle with his creations, but each positronic brain is an individual.
The positronic brain concept comes out of Asimov’s writings, and there it is shown that even very simple brains – domestic robots, for instance – are very slightly different. To rebuild Data, and have it function as Data, is impossible. It would be like trying to rebuild Picard’s brain! After all, Data is an artificial lifeform, not just a machine.
@103, Cinemadeus:
The comic isn’t for movie fans at all. It’s for Trek fans. As I imagine it, the writers thought about the fact that there are details and connections that the diehard fans want, and that those fans are necessary to the movie’s success. At the same time, much of that stuff would drive away the mainstream movie audience that stays outside the geekosphere and that is also necessary to the movie’s success. Solution? By giving the continuity, etc., information in a geek medium like comics, the writers reach the audience who wants it, they provide them the gentle segue that those fans crave, all while flying entirely below the radar of the mainstream movie goers. We’ll get our explanation of obscure plot points, while Joe Blockbuster never even has to know they exist. It’s like their blowing a special Trek geek whistle that only we can hear. Very clever.
Like they’re blowing a special Trek geek whistle, I mean. Damn grammar.
#112 … If Picard reported the incident to Starfleet (and he would have), then there’s no way Spock wouldn’t have known. Kirk “coming back to life,” however briefly, would’ve been major news. I am certain Spock (as well as McCoy and Scotty, if they were still around, knew).
Where the writers of Generations dropped the ball (one of the ways) was in having Picard bury Kirk under rocks on some no-name planet. WTF was that all about? Starfleet’s greatest hero should’ve had his body flown back to Earth or at least buried in space; I’m sure Kirk had some kind of last wishes for his remains.
so the future timeline has already been altered before spock goes back in time? cause didnt data die? so is that really captain B4?
#116—”If Picard reported the incident to Starfleet (and he would have)…”
Agreed to that point.
“… then there’s no way Spock wouldn’t have known.”
Not so sure about that.
I don’t think the RSE would allow messages sent back and forth between Spock (who is on Romulus) and members of the Federation’s government (Spock has no affiliation with Starfleet at this point). As paranoid and xenophobic as Romulans are, I have a hard time believing that it’s a given.
As indicated in the comic, he may have had some limited contact with Data. Indeed, he may have left Romulus at some point, only to return again. I’m sure that, by the time of the events depicted in the comics, he is aware that Kirk was in the Nexus. But I just don’t think that such information would have been immediately available to him.
Think about it. Starfleet had enough trouble on its hands with Klingons getting wind of the Genesis device and its deployment in the Mutara Nebula. They probably wouldn’t risk a message being intercepted by Romulans that would include information about the Nexus, just so that Spock would learn of his old friend’s actual fate.
That would seem rather reckless to me.
I still believe that Spock would have assumed that Jim Kirk was killed aboard the Enterprise-B—at least until he had obtained enough trust on Romulus to be able to move back and forth freely. So who knows when he would have been likely to learn about it?
“Starfleet’s greatest hero should’ve had his body flown back to Earth or at least buried in space; I’m sure Kirk had some kind of last wishes for his remains.”
Agreed. The entire thing was poorly done.
you know, I liked in 6 that spock was used to show us our prejudices – having had watched trek from my early years, i had always known the klingons simply as “the bad guys” but it wasnt until move 6 that i even considered the racist angle that was demonstrated with kirk. i thought that worked well, but i dont think it was “enough” to justify spock just taking off to romulus and never seeing his friend again. or in 7, with kirk in the nexus and his perfect place was chopping wood and riding horses? heck even the orbital skydiving didnt make sense to me.
what i simply mean is… lets say prior to 2, 3… when i was growing up, and the fates of these characters was still unwritten… me an my buddies would always speculate how they would end up. and the way that it ended up, is nowhere near what any of us had imagined. and of course taking into account these are the minds of children we are talking about but still.
i’ve never been able to reconcile it. i say if spock understands and kirk is important to spock – and why shouldnt he be, he risked his entire career, stole the enterprise and lost his son to save him – then what is up with them parting ways so nonchalantly? if spock was that important to kirk – and thats the way he rolls – bros before hos – then kirk in the nexus makes absolutely no sense at all. kirk orbital skydiving, with scotty and chekov – makes no sense at all. shatner and nimoy doing the mind meld dvd, nimoy guest starring on tj hooker and being interviewed on raw nerve – these things are more loyal to canon than the established canon.
what does shatner say about everyone BUT nimoy? “i didnt know him/ her very well…” he says it about sulu. he said it about majel. SO why is he orbital skydiving with chekov and scotty? the answer is that those lines were written for nimoy and de. and the fact that they couldnt get them for the movie totally screwed up canon.
this pain runs deep in me. and i dont need sybok to point that out, although i mention sybok because he does fit perfectly into canon. he really does – theres nothing ever to contradict his existence, no gray areas of canon to argue over.
where am i going with all this? i dunno, just thoughts. if you think about the overall arc – starting with THE CAGE, up through the movies, all the other series… now the comic and new movie – consider ALL that, then them going “back to the future” to THE CAGE era with Pike and all – I guess the overall consistency really bothers me when i get to thinking about it in sum.
its not fair for us at this site to throw all the canon inconsistencies at the orcster, either. because as i point out, it’s been going on for a long, long, time. sure, people change. but these characters are inherently untrue to themselves and inconsistent over time. i find that bothersome.
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The Spot painting on the back wall makes me laugh :)
84 – You’re welcome. Looking forward to the rest.
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Good stuff, especially admiring how you argue for both sides of the issue.
There are alot of canon inconsistencies relating to the characters, not as a result of poor judgement, but as a result of something as simple as casting issues, something that is very much out of our control.
Although, there is no filmed canon in between movie 6 and movie 7. So we can imagine, that Kirk and Spock spend a crazy amount of time together as friends after 6, and before Kirk inaugurates enterprise B. Time where they may have been able to properly bid each other farewell.
Re: Kirk’s burial. I always thought it was funny how Kirk was buried on top of the mountain, as if Picard could carry him up there. Of course, Kirk’s original shot-in-the-back death scene occurred on the catwalk at the top and the reshoot created the inconsistency.
RE: Nero’s research. It looks like he tries to get info on the Hobus system and Red Matter. When this fails, he finds he is able to access Starfleet historical files and pulls up Kirk. Is this innocent interest on his part which will be corrupted later, or is he already forming a conclusion that Kirk is the key to achieving some goal?
94. Anthony Pascale – January 28, 2009
“Hi Bob
Glad this is selling like hot cakes….so what is my cut?”
Same as me and Alex and the Tim and Mike. 0. Mike and Tim got a few hundred bucks to write it, we got nothing, and no matter how many sell, we get nothing. We did it mainly as fans.
104. William Kirk – January 29, 2009
It is Shatner’s likeness.
#119—”i thought that worked well, but i dont think it was “enough” to justify spock just taking off to romulus and never seeing his friend again.”
You may be confused.
At the time of Spock’s departure for Romulus, it is not yet known that Kirk is alive in the nexus. From Spock’s point of view, Kirk had been killed aboard the Enterprise-B. Spock does not depart for Romulus until decades after the incident in which Kirk is presumed lost.
Now we do know that McCoy is still alive during the events depicted in Farpoint, but “Unfiication” is several years later. He could easily have passed on during that time.
“i say if spock understands and kirk is important to spock – and why shouldnt he be, he risked his entire career, stole the enterprise and lost his son to save him – then what is up with them parting ways so nonchalantly”
I don’t think we have ever been led to believe they did. It is not as if Spock knew that Kirk would board the Enterprise-B and never see him again.
@120…
I like cats.
And I liked “Datas Day” on TNG,
was a relaxed 4th season ep.
124….wait so I am getting paid as much as you and Alex…whoohoo…I’m rich
….oh wait
When these things show up in the mail from Amazon.com, my wife is gonna think I’m nuts. 42, and reading comic books again, for the first time in over 20 years. Well played, gentlemen.
ok ok… understood. but still, why is kirk boarding the enterprise B with scotty and chekov, and not spock? that doesnt even make sense.
like i said before, the kirk spock relationship very much bordered on gay, in fact one could argue that it went way past even “bros before hos”, and i’m cool with that. like in 3 when kirk was talking to sarek. i tell you what. if one of my drinkin buddies didnt make it back from a tour of ‘nam with me, and his parent shows up at my apartment wanting answers about why i left him there, i’m gonna tell the dude to go screw himself. and this dude was my best buddy, but serious – i’m not taking responsibility. i think back in the day, the military shipped the bodies back from nam to fort bragg in caskets filled with american gangster denzel’s blue magic heroin. so put that in your crack pipe and smoke it, along with your kid’s ashes!
as far as buring kirk on veridian, yes i totally agree that was totally lame and very inconsistent with kirk’s last wishes. however. it had probably been a few days and his body was probably decomposing. this again begs the bigger question of WHY kirk had to be killed in the first place?
having him fall like that certainly brings a new foreshadowing to the yosemite tomfoolery in 5, but i still would have rather seen the original filmed sequence of having him shot in the back by soran.
in either event, nimoy was quite wise to pass on 7. the TOS characters served no other function than a gimmick. i still like that movie, though.
so where is spock during the launch of the enterprise b? why couldnt he already be on romulus? it certainly could clarify the 40 years thing in the comic? first the klingons, then the romulans. spock is such a diplomat, but still, like many of us in our own lives, i harldly BILLieve that he would end that relationship over a little racial hatred. in fact, like many women in abusive relationships who probably should leave, a lil something like kirk’s racism probably only served to make spock think that he could “change” kirk and motivated him to stay in the relationship. its definitely beyond a normal hetero friendship, though. so it was also very implausible when kirk just dropped spock’s name (didnt even really say his name) to picard after jumping his horse. basically none of it adds up.
orcster, if you did this for free, you are a fool my good sir. NEVER work for free, unless you always work for free. thats what i always say. someday you might need the cash, a couple of alimony and child support obligations down the road. where’s my comic book money? ay caramba, bart simpson.
hey is it true what it says on wiki, that this project was totally because AP asked for it? i thought that was pretty kewl if it was true. and AP – are you rico sauve yet, brother? you should be with all the work you put into this site. my best wishes to both you and the orcster. but you pimps should have gotten PAID.
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124, 128. You have an evolved sensibility. You work to better yourselves ;-)
130 – Assuming Kirk had left starfleet, and the Enterprise A was decommissioned, it is quite likely that Spock would then pursue a career in diplomacy, as hinted at in Star Trek VI.
It is also established that Spock and Pardek met at the Khitomer Conference, leading to the events in Unification.
There is also dialogue in the TNG Sarek episodes that indicate that Spock and Sarek had a falling out over a diplomatic issue, where Spock “attacked Sarek’s position publicly”.
Kirk, Spock, McCoy etc. might meet up on occasion, but still lead very separate lives.
Spock not being on the Enterprise B makes perfect sense if there was some kind of diplomatic issue that takes presedence over a launch ceremony.
#132 “Kirk, Spock, McCoy etc. might meet up on occasion, but still lead very separate lives.
Spock not being on the Enterprise B makes perfect sense if there was some kind of diplomatic issue that takes presedence over a launch ceremony.”
Agreed. The novelization and the deleted skydiving sequence make it clear that even Kirk didn’t want to be present for the launch of the B. He had moved on, and Spock was obviously far less nostalgic than he was.
one buck™, no dude, you are talking about their JOBS, i’m talking about their personal lives, bro. are you going to tell me that you’d be nowhere in the vacinity when your wife passes away? then how about a funeral? did you even know where she was when she died?
see what i am saying? me, i keep tabs on my chick. I ALWAYS know where she is and what she’s doing. call my paranoid, but other chicks have cheated on me. sometimes its not even the chick you have to worry about – its always the other dudes, though. i’ve got best friends that would get with my wifey in a minute if my back was turned. so i monitor that stuff real good.
kirk and spock were kind of like that. of course, since kirk was higher in command there could be considered an abuse of authority from a person in a position of trust or what have you. spock probably had a grate sexual harrassment lawsuit had he chosen to go that route. at the very least, there was an appearance of impropriety, inappropriate behavior there. jtk knew what he was doing though. and the heart wants what the heart wants. did you ever notice that when kruge did the killing on the genesis planet in 3, kirk was kind of relieved to find out that it was only david that got killed. sure, he did the falling down thing. but he would have REALLY FLIPPED OUT had it been the young vulcan scientist of his acquaintence that they killed. saavik knew this. why do you think that she was speaking in code like that in front of the klingons???
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#130—”why is kirk boarding the enterprise B with scotty and chekov, and not spock? that doesnt even make sense. ”
I’m sure that Berman’s boys would have preferred it that way. But beyond that, Spock has already headed in the direction of a diplomatic career, so presumably, he’s busy. For all we know, he could have been off preventing an inter-planetary war! As AJ pointed out before, Spock is still fairly young in Vulcan terms. He still has much more to do than sit around being nostalgic with Jim Kirk and attending formal christening’s, etc.
” why couldnt he already be on romulus? it certainly could clarify the 40 years thing in the comic?”
Because Spock’s disappearance doesn’t occur until shortly before the events depicted in “Unification”. That’s around 8 decades after the launch of Enterprise-B.
And since comic books are not generally considered canon anyway, I’m not sure the “40 years on Romulus” thing is even an issue. My guess is that the writers just muffed that one inside the ten yard line, or the “8 years after Nemesis” suggestion was simply incorrect, and these events occur much later than we anticipated before.
134 – I was reacting to the question as to where Spock would have been when the Enterprise B was launched.
It is possible that once he’d heard of Kirk’s death, he may have come around to see his former shipmates etc., and grieved, and possibly contributed greatly to Kirk’s memorial at that time.
Kirk and Spock are close friends, but are not a married couple.
We’ve seen that Spock has pursued things on Vulcan without them before. Kohlinar for example.
Kirk flipped out when he heard that David had died. He was only there for Spock, adn yes, it would have hit him really hard.
I look at Kirk, Spock and McCoy more like close brothers. They are friends, and very loyal to each other, but this is what it would be like in any kind of service of a pseudo military kind. This is common among veterans of WW II or Vietnam. That doesn’t mean they don’t go elsewhere and pursue their own lives once their service has ended.
“Kirk didn’t want to be present for the launch of the B. He had moved on, and Spock was obviously far less nostalgic than he was.”
that soooooo cheapens the entire kirk and spock relationship. kirk had “moved on” and spock was even ‘less nostalgic”??? didn’t their times on the enterprise together MEAN ANYTHING TO ANYONE??
sorry i took that personally. i tend to internalize. sorry about that. but really – this is like in 4 when kirk asked spock about humanity getting wiped out from lack of whalesong and didnt he have any goddamned feelings about THAT?
spock of course had feelings, vulcans just suppress them. now in the fact that his mother – a female – was human. ok. lets think about this. i am thinking, where does all the unnecessary drama come from, in my life. and the answer is ALWAYS human females. usually its my chick. sometimes its my sister. or another chick that i work with. you get the point. chicks love their emotions and drama. so spock has like, 1/2 that going on in him – he’s got to fight it twice as hard as the normal vulcan. now, james t is a passionate guy. this we know. AND, they have some societal norms to get around. guys are still macho and manly. even though, homosexuality is more accepted in the 23rd century. so its a tightrope these dudes are walking on. its a deep love, an affection, between these 2 men.
can anyone really tell me that this ended in a way that is proper and consistent with everything else that came before it? nah. i’m sorry. i just cant see one thing and BILLieve another. I’m open to the idea that maybe kirk and spock had a little – no ALOT – of gay subtext at the very least happening there. so saying that someone had “moved on” or just wasnt “as nostalgic” – while a nice dismissal, still does not make sense.
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#134—-Put the bottle down, Hitch. It’s a bit early, no?
…and remember in 5, when kirk hugged spock on the bridge of the bird of prey and spock said “captain, not in front of the klingons”
again, reinforcing my point.
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…or remember in amok time, when spock saw kirk alive in sickbay…
“Jim!!!” (with a very special “the women!!!” kind of vulcan smile)
I rest my case.
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OneBuckFilms
as Nog said in “In The Cards”: What does that mean exactly?
It is, after all, the 23rd Century. Would casual recreational sex between friends of any gender be simply more acceptable? Hitch may be on to something…
#137 … “so saying that someone had ‘moved on’ or just wasnt ‘as nostalgic’ – while a nice dismissal, still does not make sense.”
You misunderstood. I meant moved on from Starfleet. Kirk didn’t want to go to the launch of the B (that’s canon, if you consider the deleted scene). Neither, obviously, did Spock. That’s all I meant.
Yes, they still loved one another. But this would be like someone coming up to any of us (and our best friend) saying, ‘Remember the high school where you guys met that was torn down awhile back? Well we’ve built a new one in its place. Wanna come tour it?’ Perfectly understandable that someone would decline that offer.
weerd1™, no no no! it wasnt casual. it was long term, committed and intimate. and star trek was never about sex. this is bigger picture. i think that sexually, those dudes were into chicks. maybe they didnt respect them. spock did valeris on the bridge in front of everyone in 6. kirk knocked up carol marcus and bailed. yet these 2 dudes sacrificed everything for each other. thats a bond, the deep affection and respect. this isnt about sex or who they were banging.
“live long and prosper, spock”
“I shall do neither. I have killed my captain, and my friend.”
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Hitch, I think you are defining what Roddenberry called “T’hy’la” (or something similar) in the intro to the novel for TMP. In said intro Kirk mentions he hoped people wouldn’t think he would pick a sexual partner who only came into heat every seven years. T’hy’la however was a Vulcan word that could only be translated as “friend-more-than-friend.” You’re defininitely discussing lifepartner, I would just submit that should they decide to be friend-more-than-friend with benefits it wouldn’t be looked upon poorly…
“Jim, my T’hy’la…”
YES. I had read this novelization back in the day, had totally forgotten about that. A canon concept to reinforce what i am saying.
but still, sexually these dudes were into chicks. clearly.
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Sure, Jim Kirk loved the ladies… but its late at night in the observation lounge, the starlight is filtering in, he’s with Spock, whom he (let’s use the word) loves… I’m just saying hey why not? I don’t mean this facetiously. I just think the future in Star Trek wouldn’t have a problem with it.
no dude, it wasnt like that. in your scenario, kirk would have a hot chick laying next to him naked. this much we know.
spock does IT with his fingers, anyway, dude. plus… kirk can get the prostate massage from the naked chick.
the reason that i disagree with you is that sexually, kirk has too many options. besides theirs was never a sexual thing. i think they were into chicks. they didnt treat them well, though. we’ll just have to see how their mothers treated them in the new movie. it could explain alot.
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It was pretty clear from TNG that Maddox was working with Data to replicate a new positronic-based android. He just might have succeeded after 20+ years.
There just may be a voiceover by Data for his log like “Ever since I was downloaded into this new body…” etc.
look, i think that the data explanation is simple – like kodos, talos, gary mitchell, finnegan, the enterprise being built in the SF shipyards, and kirk driving a stick – the canon has once again been ignored. uhura, get me a budweiser, cuz we’re in iowa and chekov graduates academy before me.
isnt the orcster or sir JJ on record as having said they havent even seen nemesis? ergo, data never died.
i cant blame the orcster on that one. nemesis, i have seen ONCE. I read the script with annotation online a month or two before it came out and skipped it at the theaters entirely. bought the dvd and watched it – once.
i think that the orcster can chime in with some “quantum theory” explaining why anything in the comic that appears to be non-canon will have a canon explanation. but the fact is, they just ignored the fact that data died. and why not? can you blame them?
and really – data didn’t “die”. imagine if you tossed your macbook out the window. did it really die? or is “i broke my computer” a better way of saying that?
broken computers can be fixed, information can be retrieved. got a larger hard drive in me mac book. got a mac book in me trousers, a real stool softner like chris pine’s!
see what i am saying?
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141 – Hitch seems to be implying that Spock would have been around on the launch of the Enterprise B, or around his death, and likening the Kirk/Spock friendship to a marriage or intimate relationship, as far as I can make out.
Certainly he was talking about keeping tabs on his chick.
Friendships, even close ones, don’t often have that dynamic.
Has anyone noticed that the starfleet uniforms in these comics are the ones designed by Perpetual Entertainmnet for the upcoming Star Trek Online MMORPG? Of course, Perpetual went bankrupt and the game was nabbed up by Cryptic Studios, but the design stayed in the game.
It’s a nice continuity nod (gesture?) toward the upcoming game, but I personally think those uniforms are hideous. And in fact, they screwed it up a bit, because in the game, red is security (redshirts return!), but yellow is still engineering, and command is now gray/pale purple. They made this change for gameplay clarity.
In trying to tie into the rest of what’s being developed in the Trek universe, they ended up creating a further confusion!
Additionally, has anyone noticed that both Data and Picard are wearing the FC uniforms on the covers? What gives? This might give credance to the “Picard flashback” idea, but then why is Data wearing the FC uniform, too? Why didn’t they just make the uniform unidentifiable?
Overall, I think they just should have stuck with the FC uniforms for the comics, partly to avoid the complication, but also because those uniforms were totally aces.
150- So, if Kirk and his Mac Book are in the observation lounge late one night…
Just saying, because I love MY Mac that much.
Weerd1, get over sex for like a minute. I know, I know, it’s diff. But thats the beauty of star treks. dude, they didna make a big deal of it.
NOT that it wasnt a big deal, like it is to you and I. I’m not a gay dude, but if a gay buddy of mine needed me to help him with his oral fixation, of course I would let him. I couldnt reciprocate, obv. maybe… MAYBE a handjob I could pay back but TELL NO ONE. although i am not too sure about that, this is theoretical and i am just thinking out loud. He’d really have to be a good friend. I think I might be generous like ONE time, but I’m not really sure to be honest.
mutual mastubation, ie the circle jerk is famous among “young hetereosexual fraternity brothers”. SO lets get to defining eggzacto what you are talking about.
again, I don’t think that the kirk spock thing was sexual. and it would be so simple if it were. why’d you get so complicated, avril? i dont think that they ventured there. but emotionally – they are totally gay.
it could be simply biology. as we know, or dont, does spock even have tha hangdown? his heart’s in the wrong place, he has green blood, and gets it on with his fingers. NOT LIKE I HAVENT ON OCCASION. but lets think about that.
nah dude. i dont think kirk and spock were sexual. i think they were emotional.
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Aren’t we all assuming that Nero is the bad guy? Maybe him and Nimoys Spock found out that the problems in the future are caused by something Kirk did in the past, unable to find a solution, Nero, Spock and Data hatch a plan to go back in time to try and learn what it is that Kirk did and then find a way to stop it from happening.
Nero doesn’t believe this is a solution (and doesn’t understand time travel) but instead the best plan is change history and ’steals’ the plan for himself and ‘does a runner with it’. He decides rather then confront Kirk (as you know that’s been proven to be fatal for almost everybody else) it’s easier to go back further and alter Kirks past to stop him.
This ties in the Kelvin (I think) as Nero’s plan is to kill kirk’s father and then nurture the young Kirk himself and pursuade him to stop joining Star Fleet, he could do this by befriending Kirk (possibly even step father?) and turning him into a bit of a renegade. Nero could simply get into a spot of bother in a bar somewhere (possibly caused by kirk) which results in him killing a Klingon and ending up in Jail and leaving Kirk disillusioned and along.
The timeline Nero is in has altered and thus he has saved the future (from his perspective) however when he learns that while being in Jail Kirk has joined Star Fleet (things in Star Fleet have changed possibly due to the finding of Nero’s timeship which has helped Star Fleet advance it’s technology) he escapes prison and decides it’s time kill Kirk as he has no other choice but to make sure he’s stopped for good. And we end up in the altered universe with the 2 of them at each others throat ala Wrath of Khan (Kirk obviously goes mental after Nero contacts him over view screen to tell him whats about to happen).
As for Data being in the comic, simply I think over the 12 months after Nemesis LaForge worked with upgrading B4 based upon the information they had about Data’s positronic brain, possibly with the help of B4 himself who after gaining Data’s programming was able to assertain the differences between them.
I kinda like it, a few plot twists here and there and it’s all tied in, could make for an interesting film.
It’s a sad fact of life, which holds true in the Tek universe, that all good things come to an end. Spock understood this in ST6. Kirk left being in command and went his way, Spock went his way, and all the rest moved on and had good lives.
They remained friends, and all held the good old days on the ship in their hearts and minds, but after three complete five year missions it came to an end as it had to. This in now way invalidates what they shared and what it meant to them.
“Galloping around the cosmos is a game for the young, Doctor.”
#155-
I like your idea. And it makes sense, as ‘Prime Directive’ has been mentioned as part of the inspirations for the movie’s plot. It’s been a long time since I read it, but if I remember correctly it involves a planetary disaster which Kirk is blamed for…and altho there was no time travel involved, everyone has to band together to go back to said planet to try to make things right…
154- You’re a good man Hitch. My lips are sealed.
Honestly, I agree with you- too much accidental exposure to Grup magazine as a young fanzine reader apparently, but I do agree, they weren’t charging one another’s phasers.
I think their relationship really doesn’t develop on the original series until after the death of Gary Mitchell. They are obivously friendly before that, but it was the support Spock gives Kirk as First Officer which eventually results in their bond.
What role does McCoy play in that? Is the triumvirate’s bond as solid as the K/S bond?
Hello ! I think It’s B4 with Data’s memories ! Data has overloaded his memories during studies with la Forge. And in movie’s end, B4 whistles a song known by Data…
But why between 2364 and 2379 Data was along Lieutenant commander and only 8 years he’s now captain ??? I’m surprised ! it’s quick suddenly for his carreer !
sorry for my language, I’m french ! Nice all for you !!!
Issue #1 around me is a hard find. I lucked out and got the last issue after calling around. Had to drive to CT from Mass to get mine though. Was a good issue and left me wanting issue #2 to be released soon.
Regarding the 40 years on Romulus business: According to the Star Trek Vulcan’s Soul trilogy + Vulcan’s Forge & Vulcan’s Heart, by Sherman / Swartz, Spock first visited Romulus and begang his Unification movement 35 years prior to the Shinzon affair. Since this is 5 years later, the statement makes sence. They are referring to to books. I remember reading that a book by Diane Duane was one of their favourites, and Sherman/Swartz base a lot of their stories on her work. I guess they are making some of the books canon now. (Now, if they only would refer to the Romulans as Rihannsu, I would be veeeery happy;-)
Did anyone actually watch the end of Nemises? B4 started to remember Data’s memories!
About Captain Data, The easy theory is that it’s B4, fully recovered with Data’s memories. But don’t discount the less popular theory that Nero may go back in time to the Nemesis days and perhaps mess with Data’s fate. Reason? Look at the issue with Picard on the front. Notice that he is wearing the TNG movie uniform, with FOUR pips on his collar!
I assume the covers relate to the main character in that particular issue, and if the artists decided to HIDE Data’s uniform, and show Picard’s, I think that that issue will take place in the Nemesis TNG era.
I haven’t read the whole blog so i dont know if anyone said this, but it’s always possible with time travel data could have been recovered a microsecond before the explosion, similar to what was down with seven of nine in an episode of voyager.
i’ve always thought that a good route to the ‘resurrection’ of Data would involve Lore’s body, perhaps repaired and wiped of every program and memory belonging to Lore and replaced with those belonging to Data.
Or perhaps with the earlier, more primitive B4 positronic net as a guide Geordi was able to understand how Sung created the androids and after a few failed attempts was able to create a new body for Data’s memories.
or maybe they’ll find data’s body regenerated on the genesis planet and take him to mt. seleya and take his katra out of b4 and put it into his new body.
Often the most simple explanation is the more likely one; B4’s body has been taken over by Data’s programming. But it probably took a long time before Starfleet accepted that, and he had to prove himself for many years before being allowed to captain a ship of his own.
hitch- one question. Are you of the opinion that kirk and Spock shared a telepathic bond? Because, like you, I don’t exactly think that they made out in their free time. But the whole t’hy’la thing would make a lot more sense if they were telepathically bonded. They are like brothers, they love each other, but I can’t see them as being gay. I think the reason that Spock wasn’t with Kirk was that going would be illogical. There was no real reason to be there except to please a bunch of illogial humans. Even Kirk didn’t want to go. Spock simply chose not to, and very probably regretted that. We see that in Unification he obviously still thinks about Kirk. And about him knowing about Kirk’s second death? Could the telepathic bond explain that. We learn in Sarek that the mind meld links one mind to another. Kirk and Spock melded numerous times. The telepathic link between th would make perfect sense.