Exclusive 4-Page Preview Of Star Trek Countdown #2 February 20, 2009
by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Comics, Star Trek (2009 film) , trackback
Next week the second issue of IDW’s "Star Trek Countdown," the prequel to the new Star Trek movie, hits comic stores. Today TrekMovie has an exclusive SPOILERIFIC four-page preview. Plus we have some new comments from Orci and Kurtzman about how this comic series ties the whole franchise (past and future) together.
Star Trek Countdown – 4 page preview
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(Star Trek Countdown #2 first four pages – click to enlarge)
Star Trek Countdown #2 hits comic stores Wednesday February 25th. Look for TrekMovie’s early review next week.
Star Trek Countdown #2 hits comic stores Wednesday February 25th. Here is the cover:
(Star Trek Countdown #2 cover – click to enlarge)
Orci & Kurtzman: Countdown shows ST09 = prequel + sequel
The story for Star Trek Countdown was written by Star Trek screenwriters Alex Kurtzman and Roberto Orci, who worked closely with Countdown writers Mike Johnson and Tim Jones. In a new interview at ComicBookMovie.com by our friend Ed Gross, Kurtzman explains how this movie is both a prequel to TOS and a sequel to the TNG era.
This movie is an interesting paradox in that it’s both a prequel that introduces new audiences to Kirk, Spock and the gang and also a sequel if you’re a fan of everything in that the events of the movie are somewhat a result of the action of Leonard Nimoy’s Mr. Spock and the last time we saw him in continuity.
Of course Kurtzman is referring to the two-part TNG episode "Unification", but co-writer Roberto Orci takes that notion of Star Trek as a ’sequel’ to the next level, noting:
The entire continuity of Star Trek prior to our movie is necessary for our movie to exist; it is literally caused by continuity and the comics are a way to make that patently clear.
Read more from Bob and Alex at ComicBookMovie.com. And while at ComicBookMovie.com, check out Ed’s latest Trek themed comic strip.
Pre-order Countdown #2 – before it is too late
Issue #1 of Countdown sold out fast (and is already at Amazon resellers for $11.99+). So it is a good idea to reserve your copies of issues 2-4 in advance at your local comic shop (or online at TFAW.com). Or you can wait until April and pick up the trade paperback, which includes all four issues.
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BobOrci called TNG his favorite series of all time…
for me it is logical to call the movie a sequel.
If I read this I’ve read 20% of the issue. Like ‘em, but they’re oh so short…
Has anyone yet surmised that perhaps Spock melds with Kirk in the movie – thus supplying him with the necessary back story and satisfying us canon junkies?
PS. These comics are cool!
The screen from A Final Unity is still there, but smaller.
the art is rather good
So Data took over B4?
I love the TNG era, I hope Spock mentions this somehow in the movie
I am so glad that I ordered these comics; it was such a great idea on the part of the screenwriters, because it makes fans like me even more excited for the movie to come out in May!!! I am an ardent TNG fan as well. Even though the new film does not contain any TNG characters, I hope that maybe we will hear a reference to Captain Picard, Data, Riker??? Only a couple months now…amazing!!!
I wonder what the incentive variant cover will be for this one. I’ll be picking this up when it comes out!
I don’t remember the Enterprise-E looking like such a, uh, gigantic floating orifice.
Will,
I believe the variant cover will be Uhura from the four panel Comic Con poster (like the nero photocover for issue 1), those are hard to find
The pictured “issue 2″ is actually the first issue’s cover. The second issue features Data in red.
Picking this up on Wed!
I thought Data was dead? Is this supposed to be canon? Are they dismissing all the events from Nemesis? From just what I’ve seen here, these comics make no sense. Am I wrong? Help me understand, that is if anyone does understand.
B-2 or whatever he’s called keeps Data alive.
You know…like Spock came back?
This is great! Can’t wait to get my hands on a copy of Countdown #2. At least this makes the final months of waiting less difficult to bear. And I guess we’ll learn how Data is still alive (More than likely something to do with B-4.)
God bless!
Wow. Awesome.
B4 was a dullard! Remember he was built “B4″ Data & Lore, he was a prototype. All he has are Data’s memories. There have been rumors that if there were to be another TNG movie that they would bring Data back, but rumors don’t constitute canon. If it was accomplished in a book, that doesn’t matter either, the books aren’t canon, if they were then the X-Men would exist in the Star Trek universe.
I ordered the paperback. I want my Trek all in one shot!
Not gonna lie, what ive seen of these countdown comics has me more interested story wise than the new movie. Burton and Frakes keep kinda hinting at some new TNG movie, maybe what we see here could be part of that if the new movie goes well. Like a countdown TNG movie? I think a lot more people would be down for that. Either way, I hope some place local sells these cause despite that Im not too into comics, Id love to read em.
I wasn’t going to but … third frame second page.
Data: ‘Continue firing at the *remain* weapon arrays.’ (?)
What’s the lettering word for a typo?
Well. These comics are great. I see a tie in to the Movie and I believe everything will make a lot of sense when the Movie comes out. Just 2 and a half months to go.
Ok. On the Countdown. 11weeks to go till Trek.
The concept of this series is very good, but I still think the dialogue leaves a lot to be desired:
“Captain Data! What a pleasant surprise!”
“We share the same ears.”
“No time to explain, big boy. Just get your ass up here!”
That’s the only problem I have with the comic. The graphics, the concept, and the pacing is pretty nice.
Why does Data have the FC uniform on the cover, but the STO uniform in the comic?
Oh and if this is the Narada, how does she “grow”? Something like in VOYs Year of Hell, when the ship size is suddenly altered by a change in the timeline?
Where in the timeline do these comics take place? I’ve read that they take place 40 after the events of “Nemesis” and I’ve also read that they take place only a few years after “Nemesis”
Could someone clarify this for me? Thanks
#20 – It does say “Reman.”
Did you guys seriously miss the nuke that was just dropped?
You B-4 mongers are missing the forest from the trees.
Seriously. Re-read the Orci quote nice and slow. He just gave a ton away!
“The entire continuity of Star Trek prior to our movie is necessary for our movie to exist; it is literally caused by continuity and the comics are a way to make that patently clear.”
– That’s not B-4. That’s Data.
– He says “the continuity of Star Trek prior to our movie (ST11) is necessary for our movie (ST11) to EVEN EXIST.”
– A TOS story does not depend on the continuity of a TNG story, because a TOS story would have happened first.
– Orci is telling us that the TNG continuity is screwed up in the context of this comic book series.
– Orci says “(ST11) is literally caused by continuity” and the comics are a way to make that “patently clear.”
– You’re supposed to notice that Data’s supposed to be dead, and assuredly other things are out of place.
All you cannon Nazis keep pointing out that ST11 seems to be jumping the cannon tracks. If continuity is already fouled up in the TNG timeline (before Nero even goes back in his ship to muck things up), then perhaps the whole point of ST11 is to set everything straight again!
#20: I believe it says Reman. Refer to “Nemesis’ for more on the Reman.
Why are people assuming that Data could absolutely have not been manifested through B4? At what point in Nemesis did they establish that without a shadow of a doubt, there was no return for Data?
They did not do this at all! B4’s whistling at the end of the film was to suggest that Data’s memory engrams may be beginning to take over. It was meant to leave the viewer with hope that we may again see Data.
This is obviously what Orci is suggesting happened in these comics.
#24
I see what you’re saying. Given all of that information, is it safe to assume that everything that Nero did (or is about to do) in the ‘Star Trek’ movie prevented Data from dying in ‘Nemesis’? If that’s the case, then does Nero’s motivation to keep going back in time constantly exist? Based on what we’ve already seen, Nero should have a pretty good personal justification for going back in time and messing everything up (even if we haven’t learned what that is yet). Let’s just assume that the death of Nero’s wife is a major contributing factor. If that took place in the post-Nemesis timeline that we remember (Data being dead), then would that keep happening, even if the changes in the timeline were strong enough to keep the original Data alive? The implications of this are endless. For all we know, Kirk could still be alive and doing God knows what.
Forgive me, I’m not really good with time paradoxes. I’m not challenging anyone’s thinking, but I believe this would make for a great discussion, or maybe everyone else knows something I don’t. Hahahah
28. B4 or After?
I like your theory, but Data is more of a program than a machine. The destruction of his body does not mean the destruction on his identity.
Under your theory, the timeline would be ‘messed up’ before Nero even goes to prison. And we’re given to understand that Nero gets out of Rura Penthe with tattoos and an evil plan.
I think it’s unlikely that Nero is the cause of Data’s Captaincy or continued life.
The first issue was horrible. The writers obviously don’t know what Romulans are or how they’re supposed to act. I’m not a continuity nut, but if you’re going going to do Star Trek, at least get the characterizations of the aliens right or call it something else.
I originally planned on buying all 4 issues, but I was so turned off by the terrible writing that I cancelled the rest.
32 – You’re assuming Nero is the root cause of timeline problems. He may be a victim along with everyone else.
And stop worrying about Kirk’s ‘death,’ the moment the Kelvin is destroyed, the time and place of Kirk’s death is reset. Fresh shuffle. New deal.
This May, TOS will become an alternate universe where Starfleet wore velour pajamas and analog switches were used on the bridge… and all the aliens look like humans.
To clarify a point here. Bob is on the record stating that Countdown takes place in the ‘prime’ timeline following Nemesis. Bob and Alex are noting that the comic links the two acting as both a sequel to nemesis and prequel to st09. This comic series very much ties into the tng continuity up to nemesis and I haven’t seen any notable contradictions. That Spock is the same one you saw in “unification”. Therefore the nimoy Spock is kind of the glue holding the two continuities together. It is now clearer how important Nimoy was and how screwed they would been if he said no
I am assuming that, you’re right.
Nero’s story is obviously important and he will probably be a tragic figure, but making him a victim is like gilding the lily. Too complicated.
#36
I’m not sure they would have been “screwed”, if Nimoy would have said no.
They simply would have told the story different or more likely a different story altogether. It still leaves the bitter taste of whiping out everything that came before, even though it’s caused by it.
Yeah, I buy the explanation that B4 became Data, but its all conjecture until there is an explanation of the process in a television episode or movie of how this happened. Because nothing in Star Trek is true or real when it comes to canon unless it happened in a television episode or a movie.
#28: I am not all about canon, its just that I don’t like things that have been established for such a long time in Star Trek mythology to be abruptly changed without explanation. I haven’t been tough on this movie, & am very excited to see it.
You have opened a whole new can of worms if you are suggesting that Kurtzman is suggesting that everything that happened after “Unification” or the things that happened as a result of Spock’s actions in “Unification” weren’t supposed to happen. That puts all of what we know of DS9, Voyager, Generations, First Contact, Insurrection, & of course the aforementioned Nemesis in limbo.
Temporal mechanics is all very confusing, & is making me get a headache. So I’ll drop it, just read the comics, & try to figure it all out on my own on a later date.
Re: Anthony regarding variant cover
I had figured it would be something along those lines. I am fortunate enough to get easy access to a lot of variants since my girlfriend works at a comicbook store! Usually, I get the issues the night before they officially go on sale since she always works putting out comics on new comic day!
@39: Doc Brown: “Marty, you’re just not thinking fourth dimensionally.”
Marty: “Yeah, I have a real problem with that.”
Wow. The Narada is sure in for a make over.
@10: Now that’s what I call one dirty Trek-fantasy (:
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I really wonder whether we might see some post-Nemesis Starfleet personnel in the new movie – these uniform designs look intriguing (harking back to the good old DS9-/TNG-cadet-style uniforms yet still kinda interesting – I like the simplified Badges as well…)
Ah…very interesting. My comments?
DATA’S ALLLLLLLLLIIIIIIIIIIIVE!
(ahem)
Aaaanyway…look’s cool. And bringing Data back to life? Whatever becomes of the new movie, Orci and co will have my eternal gratitude for rescuing Data from his sad fate at the hands of the Star Trek: Nemesis.
But otherwise, looks very cool. Can’t wait to see and/or hear more…
…And did I mention that Data’s alive? Yeah…
I get the exact oppoiste from Orci’s comments. He’s saying that their events continue what has come on TNG before it. And the fact that B4 has become Data is so obvious it doesn’t even warrent explanation.
isnt it concievable that the event of ‘Nemisis’ never happend? IF nero does travel back in time, he may just change the time line. therefore Date never dies.
Want to get comic book an want to see movie
I would have prefer a complete new start. Like they did with Batman in Batman Begins. This whole time travel thing is just stupid. Only TOS canon should have been important for the new movie. What we “know” about what happens after TOS, should have been completely ignored. All the races that get introduce in TNG, DS9 and VOY and the places they went to, is a ballast to the new movie and to its sequels, should there be ones. The Enterprise without a letter in its name should be able to explore places, where no one has been before. They should been able to meet races, which weren’t introduce in later series and at the same time they should go to parts of the galaxy without necessary meeting Borgs, the Dominion, Cardassian, Ferengi and so on. This continuity nonsense was the main reason why Star Trek: Enterprise wasn’t so good. They couldn’t discover anything NEW anymore, although at this points in time mankind were just beginning to explore the galaxy. The script writers obviously had huge problems because they couldn’t write any REALLY new discovery stories. So they invent this whole stupid temporal war plot, so that they can explain away the Xindi and why no one has heard of them in the future just because they don’t want to breach this stupid “Don’t violate Star Trek canon” rule, some fans care so much about.
I am still hopeful about the new movie, because from the things already released, it seems the movie will be mainly about how the old TOS crew come together for the first time. But I see black for GOOD sequels, if they don’t throw CONTINUITY overboard. If there will be a movie about a war with Klingons, I DON’T want to know, that their home planet won’t be destroyed and that there will be peace one time. I don’t want to know that the Enterprise will meet the Borg, if they go to the delta quadrant or if they go to the gamma quadrant, that they will meet ugly drug addicts who are controlled by moving brown puddles.
The adherence to canon and continuity is massively limiting possible plots, restrict the imagination of the scripts writers and make new Star Trek movies much more predicable for the viewers. Completely forgetting EVERYTHING, which happen after the end of the TOS series, is the best thing those involved in making new Star Trek movies could do.
I’m curious as to why the storyline in these comics wasn’t added to the movie to include all fans of the different versions of Star Trek. I am merely speculating as I have no idea as to how this movie begins, but it would seem as though you would want a dramatic build up to this is you are indeed redoing the timeline of TOS. And don’t tell me the movie would be too long. I sat through all 3 Lord of the Rings!
46. with regards to the comics, ignore all the time travel stuff. These comics are basically a straight forward sequel to Nemesis, leading up to the new Star Trek movie. Nero and Spock who are at the center of the new movie, come from the post Nemesis TNG universe.
RE: ’screwed’ without Nimoy
Bob has been pretty open in interviews with myself and with others that they took a risk with Nimoy, his role is vital to their script and they couldn’t do the movie they have without him. In fact I think when he first told me about that he used even more ‘colorful’ metaphors for what it would have been like if Nimoy had said no.
#49
This is just my own shot in the dark, but I think the new ‘Star Trek’ will open like ‘Superman II’ did, with Nero disabling the Rura Penthe guards and then rounding up the other bad guys with “The wait is over” line, which would of course lead directly to the Kelvin sequences. However, that may not be the case.
#28: ruh roh! ‘cannon’ alert.
say it with me.. canon (like the camera), not the other which fires lead balls.
Gentlepersons, phasers set on stun!!! Aim, fire!
who knows how it will beging either way im stoked, one thing though, whats up with the enterprise e in this one, are we already seeing a slightly modified mirror universe here?
I suggest that everyone look at Anthony P’s comments. He’s quite correct in that the comics take place AFTER Nemesis in the PRIME universe BEFORE Nero goes back and f’s up everything.
I was pleasantly surprised by the quality of the first issue. Felt bloody short, though; the content was scraped awfully thin across those pages :/
I do wonder, though; if the comic will be considered Howitzer? Normally we’re trained to believe that only the material we see on screen is Twelve Pounder, but I think it would be nice to finally establish that some things can be Bombard even if they’re presented as ancillary material. Certainly, those keeping track of what’s Culverin and what’s not could accept a few comic-book additions to the Mortar.
#48. I agree with you 100%. The reason they could not start fresh is the same reason they have been lying to everyone. Orci even says it here: the comic is both a prequel and a sequel, it’s all things to all people. Paramount could not just turn their backs on the loyal fans that have sustained this franchise for 40 years, so they entered into a campaign of double-speak and subversion to lure the old fans into the fold little by little so that by the time the movie came out, the idea would be somewhat palatable. Let’s be real here, once Nero goes back in time, that is the END OF CANON for Star Trek. We will be living in a brave new universe with familiar characters who have completely different lives. Its only connection to established canon is that it follows the end of the ORIGINAL UNIVERSE’s story and the torch is passed to this new one. Like you, I could have done without the whole time travel story. It will be a fine movie, very entertaining and worth the price of admission. Whether it will spawn a new franchise, or alienates the original fans, remains to be seen.
In the comic Spock mentions that Romulus has been his home “for forty years”
Spock goes on to say
“When I first came here I was with the underground reunification movement”
That line seems to indicate that the start of those forty years was around the time of TNG’s “Unification” episode. If that is the case the comic would seem to take place roughly 30 years after the events of “Nemesis”
Another hint that the comic does not take place directly after “Nemesis” is that Data is the Captain of the Enterprise and the entire crew seems to be different. I assume that time has passed and Picard and crew have retired/moved on and that Data’s programing has overtaken B-4’s.
Am I missing something? Does this take place directly after the events of “Nemesis” or does it take place decades after “Nemesis”?
we just can wait till may
RD #56
“Let’s be real here, once Nero goes back in time, that is the END OF CANON for Star Trek. We will be living in a brave new universe with familiar characters who have completely different lives. Its only connection to established canon is that it follows the end of the ORIGINAL UNIVERSE’s story and the torch is passed to this new one.”
I don’t think that is necessarily true. It is possible, even likely that they set the film up to exist in an alternate universe that stands completely on it’s own. This will allow the past 40 years canon (not to mention dvd’s,books, and other things to sell) to stand untouched and allow creative freedom with the series most popular characters in this new universe that will somehow be slightly altered.
The mirror universe existed w/out changing the lives of the characters we knew. I it my suspicion that is how the new adventures of Kirk and Spock will be. They will exist in their own alternate universe that in no way alters what we have known over the last 40 years.
It’s a win/win scenario for everyone involved.
#57 – In the first frame, it says that it’s Stardate 64390.1. According to Memory Alpha, Nemesis took place on Stardate 56844.9; translating stardates makes me go crosseyed, so you can translate into years, if you wish.
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57. VOODOO – February 20, 2009
In the comic Spock mentions that Romulus has been his home “for forty years”
Spock goes on to say
“When I first came here I was with the underground reunification movement”
That line seems to indicate that the start of those forty years was around the time of TNG’s “Unification” episode. If that is the case the comic would seem to take place roughly 30 years after the events of “Nemesis”
Another hint that the comic does not take place directly after “Nemesis” is that Data is the Captain of the Enterprise and the entire crew seems to be different. I assume that time has passed and Picard and crew have retired/moved on and that Data’s programing has overtaken B-4’s.
Am I missing something? Does this take place directly after the events of “Nemesis” or does it take place decades after “Nemesis”?
I’d love to see COUNTDOWN done as an animated TV movie.
Okay, now I’m interested enough to pre-order the TPB.
On another note: Did Countdown just take the Star Trek Online uniforms into canon? How cool is that?
BLASPHEMY ! DISCONTINUITY, DATA DIED IN NEMESIS.
Does anybody remember the Voyager episode “Relativity” (5th Season)?
Where Seven-of-Nine was transported to the future?
Maybe Data wasn’t destroyed by the explosion of the Scimitar? Could it be, that he, too, was transported just seconds before the destruction of that ship?
It could be really Data, not B4 …
I am really looking forward to the new movie.
Live long and prosper!!
I searched high and low in my area to try to find that first issue, to no avail.
Guess I’ll be waiting for the trade paperback, darn it!
65
I bought my first issue on eBay. First comic I have read in years.
To expand on #60, Stardate 64390 would put the Countdown issue here into the year 2387, late April.
I never really cared much for TNG — and that’s what we need — a TOS movie written by TNG fans!?
Thank God they can’t wipe the 79 episodes!
Data is/was dead/destroyed and so now is canon…….
#68 Edwin. I hear ‘ya.
I still think that comic Picard looks like Killface.
Hi voodoo, Spock’s unification attempts on Romulus began many years prior to Picard seeking him out in the episode. He was off the radar for a while and in talks for a long while securing friendships amongst the politicians and starting underground movements.
#28—”Did you guys seriously miss the nuke that was just dropped?
You B-4 mongers are missing the forest from the trees.
Seriously. Re-read the Orci quote nice and slow. He just gave a ton away!
“The entire continuity of Star Trek prior to our movie is necessary for our movie to exist; it is literally caused by continuity and the comics are a way to make that patently clear.”(—-Kurtzman)”
I think you’re making more out of that statement than is actually there. This isn’t anything we didn’t already know. All that Alex is saying is that the events depicted in all 5 television series and 10 prior films are necessary to form the timeline in which both Nero and Spock decide (for whatever reason) to travel back in time. That is the part that makes this story a sequel.
As Anthony pointed out, the writers have already acknowledged that the beginning of the film takes place in the “Prime” timeline (which is the one formed by ENT-NEM).
ok guys
We all saw Data put his Katra into B4 during Nemesis.
I don’t think I need to connect anymore dots…
#68—”I never really cared much for TNG — and that’s what we need — a TOS movie written by TNG fans!? ”
I didn’t care much for TNG either.
TNG may be Bob Orci’s favorite ST series, but it is also only fair to note that his favorite episode of all time is “Balance Of Terror”, and the favorite film of the “Supreme Court” is TWOK.
One can be a TNG fan and still have great appreciation for TOS and its characters. There are plenty of fans like that who peruse this site on a daily basis, including Mr. Orci.
Thanks Gary + Dalek
I wonder how much of TNG we will see at the start of the new movie? And who from TNG will we see?
Data is a machine and machines can be replicated. Forget B-4, his positronic hardware was different. They’d just call up the transporter logs and ‘print’ a new Data. Done in 5 minutes.
The story here is set 10-15 years after nemesis to explain why Kirk looks older at the end of the movie when Spock returns to the future and goes fishing with the now alive Kirk.
Yes my friends, this is all to bring back Shatner as Captain James T Kirk.
I wonder if Paramount would give Jonthan Frakes a chance to re-edit “Nemesis” to DVD? To make a better version of “Nemesis” and more like a Star Trek movie. I know Warner Bros. let Richard Donner re-edit “Superman II” to a better version to DVD (”Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut”).
I am hoping that the (potential) success of this new Trek movie will lead to a final TNG movie. I for one would like to see Picard, Riker, La Forge, Worf, and the others suit up one last time and have the honorable finale that they were denied in Nemesis.
Yuck.
If I see one more computer traced bit of comix garbage like this I’m gonna throw-up all over my Wally Woods.
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Very true. Liking one does not neccesarily exclude liking the other.
@78
Actually according to the stardate its
‘Monday, October 13 23:33:45 EDT 2386′
Which of course would put it around 7 years after Nemesis which occured in 2379.
The only stardate I rember being given in Nemesis is 56844.9 which was when the E arrived at Romulus which would make the actual date, Thursday, March 29 03:45:07 EDT 2379. So yeah 7 years give or take a month.
Phew, too much math…..
*J
This is cool… It would be really nice in closing the new movie to have sense for how the elder Spock lives out the rest of his life…
#59- Glad to see someone else “gets” time travel.
To all the “BUT DATA IS FREAKIN’ DEAD!” posters…
…please chill. We all saw Spock die. We all saw TSFP and cheered when Spock lived again.
Was it conveltuted?
Yup!
Was it a cheap plot device to make Nimoy fans happy and pave the way for more movies with the Kirk-Spock_McCoy trio?
Yes!
Did we all accept it as canon even though we all knew it was kind of a cheap stunt?
You bet your arses we did.
So why, oh why can we not accept the return of Data with the same open arms?
I wish I had spelled convoluted correctly in the last post.
Love the comics (well, the first one and the preview of the 2nd) but love the discussion on here even more.
It’s almost as if ST was back! :)
omg datas back !!!!!!!
#85 YOU… DON’T… GET… IT…
Who’s holding the dookie under Picard’s nose?
well as for B4 being commandeered by DATA – Data has “conscience”
Does Data’s own survival superceeds B4’s existance?
Data fought in the past for this very notion with the EXCOMPS
I suspect that a “greater good” excuse just wont be enough for Data’s programing to take control over other sentiet being (as mentaly challanged as it may be)….
the Shat’s Kirk……ALIVE!!!
WHOO…HOO!!!
#85, EXCELLENT point!
I for one am VERY happy to see Data alive again!
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