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Leonard Nimoy Talks About His Return To Spock + Reveals Scene Detail March 22, 2009

by Edward Gross , Filed under: Interview,Nimoy,ST09 Cast,Star Trek (2009 film) , trackback

After two decades, and passing on previous offers, Leonard Nimoy returns to the role of Spock in the new Star Trek movie. In an interview in the new SciFi Now Magazine (#26), the actor talks about the state of the franchise, his approach to the role, the new actors, working with Quinto and more. Nimoy also talks a bit about an interesting scene in the film. See excerpts & spoilers below.

 

He Is Spock
Excerpts from my interview with Leonard Nimoy in SciFi Now #26. Last quote includes spoilers and is noted with a warning below.

Leonard Nimoy sees a parallel to 30 years ago when Paramount decided to rethink the Trek franchise following their disappointment with the first Star Trek feature film, saying:

After Star Trek: The Motion Picture, the franchise was like a beached whale and Harve Bennett got it back in the water. I think that’s what’s happening now and we’re off on an exciting new start.

For his part, it had been 17 years since he last played the character Spock (in the two-part “Unification” episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation), and that was factored into his performance:

My approach to the character has changed, because Spock has evolved in the sense that a lot of personal experiences have affected him. On the other hand, you’ve got Zachary Quinto coming into this movie, who is even slightly before the Spock I played in the original series. You’re seeing him even before the place I was playing the character on the original series, and you’re seeing me giving a performance that’s totally after all of that. This movie contains a very broad spectrum of the Spock. I had a wonderful time making this movie. It was very close to myself, I felt totally comfortable, very much like I’m doing in my own life now. Having arrived where I am as a person and the place that Spock has arrived I felt very, very comfortable with it.


Last Spock sighting – TNG’s "Unification" in 1991

Having been there in the beginning, one would assume it’s a strange experience seeing new actors step into the roles of the Enterprise crew, but not for Nimoy:

It’s a lot of fun. They’re very talented people and it’s fascinating to watch the roots of the characters that Bill Shatner and DeForest Kelley and myself and the rest of us played. When we started doing the show, we were a crew on the Enterprise going out and doing our missions. In this movie, we see the seeds of those characters being planted; where they came from before the Enterprise, where they came from before they met each other, how they met each other, and what the circumstances were and how they became that crew that we eventually played. It was great fun to watch.

And is the new movie the last time Nimoy will be putting on the ears to play Spock? According to the actor, it appears he is ready to pass the role to the next generation.

Never say never, but I would think so. The torch has been handed off to a wonderful new cast and a new actor playing Spock. Would I consider being the alter ego again and coming back in some form to play a scene with Zachary Quinto to exchange ideas with him? Might be interesting, but it’s not up to me. If I got that call, I would certainly listen.


Nimoy ready to pass the torch of Spock to Quinto

 

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One of the more surreal moments for Nimoy was doing a scene where the two Spocks meet. Nimoy explains what it was like acting across Zachary Quntio playing Spock.

That was so weird, standing there and talking to him. We have a scene together that’s a mind twister. We’re both the same person, each coming from a different time frame. It’s pretty remarkable to stand there and talk to him and listen to him and interact with him. And by the way, he happens to be a terrific, talented, intelligent actor. It was wonderful. I admire him. I think he’s got a very interesting task and did a wonderful job of it. I think he’s special and I think very highly of him. Not just him, but I have a personal connection because of the role he’s playing.

[Editor's note: Nimoy first talked about this scene with Quinto at last year's Vegas Trek convention: see articles HERE and HERE]

 

[END SPOILERS]

 

For more of my interview with Nimoy, pick up a copy of SciFi Now #26 (available for to purchase online).


 

 

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Comments

1. Alden - March 22, 2009

Now, I believe Quinto will be good.

2. krikzil (aka Lixy) - March 22, 2009

“We have a scene together that’s a mind twister. We’re both the same person, each coming from a different time frame. ”

I’d see the movie for this scene alone. ;)

3. JeFF - March 22, 2009

Can NOT WAIT for this movie to come out!!!

Nimoy is just so great; thanks for the interview!

4. Capt. Jax - March 22, 2009

I was curious if the two Spocks would meet in the movie.

This just makes it more interesting and increases my desire to see the movie.

5. Sybok's Secret Brother - March 22, 2009

I am really grateful to read Mr. Nimoy’s very positive attitude toward this new vision of Star Trek. Gives me a lot of hope for the franchise!

6. Sam Belil - March 22, 2009

OKAY — Now I can say it, despite past concerns!!!
I’m SO EXCITED!!!!

7. thorsten - March 22, 2009

@6…

Good to hear, Sam!

8. Shatner_Fan_Prime - March 22, 2009

“…contains a very broad spectrum of the Spock.”

Oh, the Spock. How I love the Spock.

9. Rhett Coates - March 22, 2009

#2 – I wonder if Roberto and Alex wrote in the script that elder Spock introduces himself as young Spock’s cousin, “Selek” (from TAS episode “Yesteryear”), or if young Spock will know exactly who elder Spock is….? Actually, this may be somewhat akin to how Spock and Data interacted in TNG episode “Unification–Part 2″ (which is quite astonishing to watch and listen to).

This is gonna be good!

10. Commodore Redshirt - March 22, 2009

Once more… the vibe on the new film is powerful. The two Spocks scene is giving me a chill just thinking about it.
Nimoy’s view on JJ’s Trek makes me even more excited!
Only 46 days to go…
STAR TREK LIVES!

11. Buzz Lancaster - March 22, 2009

.
The question is… Will Quinto want to be the “new Spock” from now on…?

To make a movie is one thing… To re-create so strong a character and be successful is another. But to go on and on in the same type of movie and the same character… What would Quinto think about being type-casted?

My guess is that TODAY actors are not so susceptible for being type-casted, but it happens… or at least one can think it may happen… So, what would be the best decision?

Maybe we discover in the (probable) next movie cast release…! ;o)

12. THX-1138-Star Trek: Timmy! - March 22, 2009

Wow. Seriously.

Is this movie only about a month and a half away?

13. Rick Moyer - March 22, 2009

Spock Rocks! I am so pumped about this movie. I can’t wait to see this scene between the two Spock’s. Geez, I wish time would go faster! I want it to be May 8th.

I wrote a funny parody to Queen’s we will rock you. It’s called- we will Spock you. hehehe.

http://www.takehimwithyou.com/songs/wewillspockyou.mp3

Enjoy!’

14. rumpcuż - March 22, 2009

“Can NOT WAIT for this movie to come out!!!”

I thank you for this information

15. NCC-73515 - March 22, 2009

The spoiler is what I had hoped for months :D

16. AJ - March 22, 2009

Ditto everything everyone has said.

Let’s get this puppy into cinemas and start watching it!

17. Selor - March 22, 2009

Wow… okay that is cool *gg* So I am going to sleep the month through *gg*

18. Magic_Al - March 22, 2009

^11. I think type-casting is still a reality for TV actors in long-running series, who literally don’t have time to appear elsewhere, but it’s easier to avoid in movies as long as actors take care to be seen in other, heavily advertised roles between big-franchise sequels.

19. captain_neill - March 22, 2009

Leonard Nimoy is the coolest.

His faith in the new movie is giving me hope that, although completely ignoring canon, it will at least honour the Roddenberry ideals.

To me Nimoy will always be Spock and no one else. So although Quinto will probably be good at Spock, he will never ever take the place of Leonard Nimoy. Not only did Nimoy create one of the most iconic characters ever but he also helped define the Vulcan race as well.

His comments give me faith it can still be Star Trek but I have given up on the film being canon.

20. Jay El Jay - March 22, 2009

Really nice interview with Nimoy, he is such a classy guy.

I’m definately intrigued about the scene with the two Spocks, I suppose it will be sort of like the TNG episode with the two Rikers, and as stated above the dialogue will probably be similar to that of Spock and Data in Unification part two.

The more I hear about this movie the more excited I get… lol as sad as it sounds, I’m even having dreams about it!

21. Johnny Ice - March 22, 2009

Nimoy: After Star Trek: The Motion Picture, the franchise was like a beached whale and Harve Bennett got it back in the water.
That is little funny if we remember 2 main characters in TVH were 2 whales and a whale probe(whaaatttt). Is it me but i am noticing that Nimoy doesn’t like The Motion Picture!. Also i find it odd comparing The Motion Picture not only the most successful Trek movie at the box office but ranked 2-3th most popular movie in 1979 as a beached whale.

22. Tuvokster1701 - March 22, 2009

#19 canon…canon…canon…If I keep hearing that word I think I am going to scream!!!

23. Starscream2112 - March 22, 2009

Has anybody here that Leonard Nimoy is in the running to the voice of the Fallen from Transformers Revenge of the Fallen?

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/roberto-orci—leonard-nimoy-frank-welker-in-the-running-for-the-role-of-voicing-the-fallen-167125/

24. Tuvokster1701 - March 22, 2009

#21 I think Star Trek the Motion Picture was a success at the box office because people wanted, and lobbied for Trek in some form. Add to that the fact that it had the original cast, and cutting edge special effects (for it’s time). it did leave a lot to be desired, however. Character interaction just did not feel right. I’ve never been able to quite put my finger on it, but they seemed almost robotic. Something was seriously off. There was one scene where we got to stare at the V’Ger cloud, for what seemed like an eternity. There was no dialogue at all. So I would agree with Nimoy that the film, while a triumph financially, was not a triumph to the actors who I am sure knew they could do better. Just my opinion. I will say this (again my opinion) of all the Trek films, I liked TMP less, and that includes Nemeses, and V.

25. AdmNaismith - March 22, 2009

#24
The restored Director’s Cut of TMP takes care of most of your criticisms, although it’s attempt to channel ’2001′ is what it is.

26. Plum - March 22, 2009

Of course, what Nimoy implies, or I infer, is that Quinto’s Spock will be less reserved emotionally.

THE WOMEN!!! ;p

27. Tuvokster1701 - March 22, 2009

#25 I will agree the Director’s Cut was an improvement, but the movie still was missing something

28. Jamie - March 22, 2009

That scene where the two Spocks meet sounds really, really good. Yet another thing I’m looking forward to seeing about this film.

I really can’t wait! :)

29. Sam Belil - March 22, 2009

THORSTEN!!!! Great to hear from you! This is a surprise the 2 Spocks meeting, I did not think this was going to happen based on the initial reports. The one hint that I got was when they first started showing images of the toys from the movie — on the bridge toy set, you clearly see Spock Prime on the bridge by the main viewer.
Thorsten — did you see Watchmen????
Best Regards :-)

30. I'm Porthos's bitch - March 22, 2009

its funny to remember that Kirk of ST Generations never got to meet the crew of the Enterprise D

31. Chadwick - March 22, 2009

AHHHHH 46 days…these last few weeks are going to drag on forever. I am dying to read the last countdown comics as well.

32. Johnny Ice - March 22, 2009

“#27 All Trek movies are missing somethink.

Leonard Nimoy sees a parallel to 30 years ago when Paramount decided to rethink the Trek franchise following their disappointment with the first Star Trek feature film:
I don’t entirely agree with Nimoy because i see more ,,positive,, parallel between The Motion Picture and XI as if XI can capture the TOS spirit and the excitement and the hype of the Motion Picture before it came out without repeating it mistakes(unfinished script & rushed production).

33. Nicholas - March 22, 2009

Mr Nimoy, you probably shan’t ever see this, but — you’re first rate! Thanks so much!

34. SirMartman - March 22, 2009

Im really interested in knowing what Leonard Nimoy’s previous offers were !

35. Can't Wait for May 8th 2009 - March 22, 2009

#23 I just heard that rumor today! Im hoping he does it, and Frank Welker will be Soundwave!

36. jas_montreal - March 22, 2009

Sorry Trekmovie.com. but you guys overdid with the SPOILERS INCLUDED thing. Theirs no bloody spoiler in this page. Its common sense to presume spock and old spock meet.

37. SS - March 22, 2009

Very cool, and good to read. I am glad to see him portray this role again, he does it so well.

Mr. Nimoy, I hope the Lord will bless you in many wonderful ways. It’s good to see you on the silver screen again. God bless (live long and prosper).

38. USS TRINOMA NCC-0278 - March 22, 2009

If old Spock mindmeld with New Spock, the possibilities are endless. It could be a whole new timeline if the new Spock has the insights.

39. Stanky McFibberich - March 22, 2009

I miss the good old days of reading news of Star Trek Remastered. Did I miss it, or was there supposed to be a review of the remastered version of The Cage?

40. Jay El Jay - March 22, 2009

#24 and 21

TMP was a weird one… I watched it quite recently, and there were moments where it felt like a real Star Trek adventure; mostly the scenes at the begining and the scene at the end.

The crew interaction was bizarre though, it felt fake and robotic, there was no charisma and I think that the whole movie suffered from the same problem as the Star Wars prequals; too much green screen.

In many ways TMP was the apitomy of ‘Star Trek’ in its various themes, it had some classic scenes, some of which are my personal favourites, like the scene when Scotty guides Kirk around the Enterprise, and the scene where Spock cries, Decker and Ilia ‘quantam leaping’ and of course the begining with Spock’s attempt at attaining the Kolinaar. The theme music remains my favourite followed closely by TWOK, GEN and NEM. I also quite enjoyed the ships interior look and can see many parallels with the new movie.

However, TMP had many failings – The dialogue was weak, robotic and without emotion, it was like watching a bunch of Vulcans performing Shakespeare. The uniforms looked…. stupid and the ‘Villain’ was a cloud!

It was all style and very little substance… however I do appriciate it for what it was, a curious journey into the unknown. I also like how the video game ‘Star Trek: Legacy’ attributed V’ger with having something to do with the origins of the Borg… a truly inspired idea.

Just my little film review…

Regards

Jay (UK)

41. Andrew - March 22, 2009

i don’t understand them saying the last time Nimoy played Spock was in the TNG episode in 1991.

I distinctly remember that Star Trek VI came out on December 6, 1991. That would be after the TNG episodes aired, correct?

Unless they are referring to the last time Nimoy played Spock in the timeline, this is wrong.

42. Will_H - March 22, 2009

Sounds good but there’s still one thing I dont quite agree with. They keep talking about this movie showing us where these people come from, but since its an alternate timeline movie, this isnt where the crew of the 1701 we know came from. The James Kirk we know was born in Iowa, now space, and from what we know of the movie had a much different childhood. Seems like the Spock from the movie might have had an altered start to, especially given that we hear his father telling him that he must choose his path. Sarek of the normal timeline knew what he wanted Spock to do with his life and his going into Starfleet formed a rift between the two. I dont think all of this will detract from the movie, but they need to be real about it being an alternate timeline is all.

43. Shatner_Fan_Prime - March 22, 2009

#41 … TUC was filmed in the spring/summer of 1991, IIRC. The TNG eps were probably shot later that fall.

44. Bob Tompkins - March 22, 2009

42.- Sarek could make that statement and still be displeased with his son’s choice. Kirk’s backstory, however is definitely playing fast and loose with canon…

45. Ben IV - March 22, 2009

Wait, Nimoy AND Quinto are playing Spock? Oh, gosh I have been under a rock! Next, you’re going to tell me they have multiple other actors all playing Spock at different ages!

j/k

46. Andrew - March 22, 2009

#42
I like to think that the new movie is still the same timeline, it’s just sort of like how Kyle Reese had to come back in time to father John Conner in Terminater, Spock would come back in time to unite the crew of the Enterprise for the first time.

Of course we won’t know until the movie actually comes out

47. S. John Ross - March 22, 2009

Nimoy rocks. Here’s hoping the movie’s good.

48. Shane - March 22, 2009

42, 46, etc…

I think that we *really* have to wait to see what happens in this film to know what is going on with the canon, the timeline, etc. etc. and so on and so forth. There are so many assumptions that people are holding which may or may not turn out to be true.

I for one found it extremely interesting the way that Mr. Nimoy phrased some of his statements in this interview in that he said at least twice that in this movie we see the origin of the characters that he, Mr. Shatner, and DeForest Kelley played. While it may simply be that Mr. Nimoy is taking it for granted that the characters are the same despite a reboot, the way he chose to make the point suggests to me that perhaps, as some (including myself) have predicted for some time now, the end result of the film will be the *same* universe and the *same* timeline and the *same* “canon” that we are familiar with from 1966 onward.

For example, one possibility is that in the end, Nero is defeated and the timeline is restored except that in some way and for some reason, some of the characters – at least Spock and Kirk – retain their memories of the alternate timeline. We’ve seen this sort of thing happen a few times before in Trek, perhaps most notably in the case of Sela who, though springing from an alternate timeline, still existed in the “prime” timeline.

Of course, that’s just a possibility. The point is, for every indication that this will be a reboot there is another that it will in some way lead into the story exactly as we are familiar with it from 1966, most interestingly to me Mr. Nimoy’s comments from this piece. I think until we see the final product, it’s rather silly to make assumptions about how it will turn out.

49. harley3k - March 22, 2009

RE: 42:

Ahh, but how do we know that the timeline we have seen all these years isn’t the altered timeline that this movie will actually create?

Think about it.

50. enterprise1965 - March 22, 2009

#41 yeah I do remember TNG coming out before the movie and I remember spock talking about “cowboy deplomacy” and what his actions in the past caused his crew.

51. CMX54 - March 22, 2009

The only reason I’ll see the new film is Nimoy. Most likely a DVD rental.

52. NaradaAlpha - March 22, 2009

a billion to one says the spock-on-spock scene involves nimoy mind-melding with quinto…

53. Spock - March 22, 2009

although if you look in the background

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUJJiAy0bzI

it does seem like the one shot of nimoy in the trailer would be a location where QuintoSpock might be there too.

54. Rastaman - March 22, 2009

#51
DVD rental? really?

Why a Star Trek fan would not see this Star Trek in the theater is beyond me? I know I regret not seeing Star Trek I-VI in the theater. I don’t spend a lot of time going to movies, but I’d certainly pay $7.50 for a Star Trek matinee, Nimoy included.

55. elmachocombo - March 22, 2009

I may not be the first to suggest this, but what would happen if Old Spock mind-melded with New Spock? Would New Spock then possess knowledge/memories of the original series? Thus giving him a special bond/common ground with fans?? Thus giving the new film a footing in the original timeline while being fully realized in a new/alternate timeline??? Or would the universe simply explode?????

56. NaradaAlpha - March 22, 2009

#40…Shatner said in his Kirk novels that V’Ger was a Borg from a different branch of The Collective than The Borg we know came from and he did so long before Legacy came out…

57. ucdom - March 23, 2009

I wonder if young Spock will know who the old Spock is, or will he be saying, “Why’re you talkin’ to me Man?” after being being beaten up by Kirk.

58. ENGON - March 23, 2009

#9

Unfortunately, if Old Spock were to introduce himself as “Selek,” as he does in “Yesteryear,” that would be referencing a TAS episode featuring “The Guardian of Forever.” Since Harlan Ellison believes he owns the rights to that character (whether in animated, ornament or doughnut form), then he would most likely file another lawsuit – not resting until he had pried Paramount’s last quatloo for its cold, dead hands.

59. PineQuinto - March 23, 2009

@ 55

I’m not too knowledgable with how mind-melding works when you are melding with a younger “you”, but I think what would happen is that Quinto’s Spock would in effect become Nimoy’s Spock through the years of knowledge and life experience being passed to him. Essentially you would have a copy of old Spock living in new Spock. At least in a sense.

Though from what I’ve seen of melding before the person melding with the vulcan doesn’t become that vulcan, so I could be wrong. But I think I could also be kind of right. It depends on what you believe makes a person a person. Is it their collected memories? Or is it deeper than that? I would think that if an older version of me could put all memories of that older self into my mind that I would somehow become that same person. After all, my mind would not be getting contridictory information about the identity of the person it belongs to, only new info. It would be though different if some one tried to add into my mind that I was James Bond. My brain would reject it even with memories of it because my identity is already established and I know the character is fictional.

I probally went too deep into this and gave a more insightful answer than you probally wanted, but I thought I would add my two cents for what it’s worth. With the ecomony today that would be a debatable value itself.

60. Adam Cohen - March 23, 2009

Wolverine gets the main artwork on the cover? Bah! That should have been Nimoy’s cover to own!

61. captain_neill - March 23, 2009

this film is not a prequel, as it is rebooting canon by setting it in an alternate timeline

Therefore this movie is Not canon

I choose to ignore it as canon so that 40 years of Trek lore is not discarded.

62. falcon - March 23, 2009

Well, all I can say is…

…despite all the clues we’ve been thrown, and despite all of the speculation, and despite thinking that we KNOW what the plot of the movie is/will be…

…I think, to borrow a phrase from Mr. Nimoy, that this movie will be a “mind-bender” and stuff will happen that we didn’t see coming.

It IS a J. J. Abrams movie, after all.

63. Derf - March 23, 2009

#25. One thing that bothered me about the Director’s Cut of TMP, and it’s a small petty thing, but now I have to go into the ‘bonus’ menus to find it, is a small scene with McCoy and Kirk after Spock leave’s (the three of them were talking about Spock’s ‘feelings’ on the matter). The scene cuts away to something else, then cuts back to McCoy and Kirk together:

McCoy: …and another thing!
Kirk: Get out of here, Bones.

Classic! It’s in the original, it was demoted to a ‘bonus/removed scene’ status (at least on the Director’s Cut I have).

I used to look forward to that moment. Now it’s like watching Jesus Christ Superstar without Herod.

64. S. John Ross - March 23, 2009

#54 sez: ” Why a Star Trek fan would not see this Star Trek in the theater is beyond me?”

For my own part, I figure I’m 90% likely, at this point, to see it in the theater (depending on any last-minute reviews by friends I trust), but that’s a recent thing. I’ve always liked the casting for this movie, but the creative team has produced nothing I’ve much enjoyed in the past (I blame either Michael Bay or Tom Cruise, depending), and the first big trailer nearly scared me away for keeps. The more recent trailer has turned me around, and made me hopeful.

But .. to more specifically respond to your point … I think it’s worth considering that some of us haven’t yet decided that this *is* Star Trek, so being a “Star Trek fan” may not be *relevant* to seeing it. For some fans, the word of the Paramount suits is holy writ, the final word … but for some of us, being “Star Trek” is something different – something a bit more special – than being branded as part of the corporate franchise of the same name.

I’ll probably see this in the theaters … and I currently have genuine hopes that I’ll enjoy it. I also have hopes – milder but still hopey hopes – that I’ll consider it Star Trek.

65. Maneokiller - March 23, 2009

- I just saw this episode on tv.. it’s a great episode indeed..

66. Dr. Image - March 23, 2009

They really should have had Nimoy in the new trailer.
He’s been so absent from much of the publicity.

“…where they came from before they met each other, how they met each other, and what the circumstances were and how they became that crew that we eventually played.”

Well, we see a VERSION of how this happened. An alternate version. not the reality of Nimoy’s Spock, I assume.

#22 Canon! Canon! Canon!

67. New Horizon - March 23, 2009

40. Jay El Jay – March 22, 2009

- I find the motion picture to be spot on for what it was attempting to do, bring the crew back together. Sulu, Chekov, Uhura and Scotty all seem to be be themselves but it’s Kirk, McCoy and Spock who have drifted apart. Kirk is bitter and has lost his spirit after sitting at a desk for so long, McCoy just wanted to be finished with it, and Spock purged his remaining humanity. Yes, it feels forced and robotic….that’s what the characters are experiencing and brilliantly, so are we. Took me a long time to appreciate that. It wasn’t until I got older that I fully appreciated what Robert Wise had managed to pull off. The scene at the end with Ilia and Decker is the final payoff…not only is it the birth of a new life form, it’s the ‘rebirth’ of these friends and this ship. It’s so symbolic, look at it…the ship comes sailing out of the light and when we return…the characters have found themselves again. They realized where they were meant to be.

For my money. The Motion Picture is one of the greatest Sci-Fi love stories ever. The movie is not about instant gratification, it’s about the journey. There is so much more substance there than people give it credit for. It’s a masterpiece.

68. wash8454 - March 23, 2009

i for one are looking forward to star trek xi, but some canon facts have been messed with..either way i only have one thing to ask for regarding canon, story, history etc….all i want to know is..is the jim kirk that chris pine plays the same jim kirk that shatner plays, does the jim kirk that fights the bad guy in this movie become the kirk that had a fight with the gorn, took on khan twice, saved spock from death and helped picard at veridian 3 in generations…altering canon i can accept but its only star trek if kirk and spock of trek xi is the same kirke and spock of the original series and movies 1-7, the same spock of tng or the same that interacted with sisko and crew in ds9 (or the same that worked along side takei/sulu being the same that sullu refers to in voyager)..if then back story, altered facts etc dont matter..i want to watch the new movie and then watch the tos and know that its the same kirk spock etc…

69. Shatner_Fan_Prime - March 23, 2009

#67 … “The scene at the end with Ilia and Decker is the final payoff…not only is it the birth of a new life form, it’s the ‘rebirth’ of these friends and this ship. It’s so symbolic, look at it…the ship comes sailing out of the light and when we return…the characters have found themselves again. They realized where they were meant to be.”

Beautiful post. I totally agree w/ everything you said.

70. Paulaner - March 23, 2009

#67 “The Motion Picture is one of the greatest Sci-Fi love stories ever. The movie is not about instant gratification, it’s about the journey. There is so much more substance there than people give it credit for. It’s a masterpiece.”

Totally agreed. TMP is magic in its pure sci-fi vision of new life forms and new civilizations. No real villain, but a great mistery to unveil. And, as you say, at the end of the movie they once again find their place aboard the Enterprise. The sequel, TWOK, was enjoyable but not so deep, kind of a good action movie with a good villain, but nothing more.

71. Spectrum of the Spock - March 23, 2009

i love me some Spock

72. Closettrekker - March 23, 2009

#42—”The James Kirk we know was born in Iowa…”

Are you sure? I seem to recall Kirk saying that he was *from* Iowa–not that he was born there.

“…and from what we know of the movie had a much different childhood.”

It remains to be seen just how much of Kirk’s previous backstory is precluded within this altered timeline by this film. All we know of Kirk’s childhood is that he spent some time living on Tarsus. The movie doesn’t exactly have to depict this in order for it to be part of this timeline as well.

“Seems like the Spock from the movie might have had an altered start (too), especially given that we hear his father telling him that he must choose his path. Sarek of the normal timeline knew what he wanted Spock to do with his life and his going into Starfleet formed a rift between the two. ”

It seems clear to me that Sarek is speaking of choosing a path between that of Humans and Vulcans (“You have always been a child of two worlds…”). There is no reason to believe, IMO, that he is speaking of a career choice.

It is clear that Kirk will meet Pike prior to his promotion to ‘Fleet Captain’–but that isn’t the first time we have seen dialogue from “The Menagerie” directly contradicted.

73. Michael - March 23, 2009

Nimoy’s portayal of Spock helped me use his logic to get past all sorts of youthful angst, depression, suicidal thoughts as a young teenager and as a young adult. His character’s traits(logic, control of emotions and feelings) gave me inner strength to deal with a lot of life’s tough blows. Nimoy rocks and I am excited he’s again on the big screen as Spock!
Here’s hoping he can actually chew up some scenery and not just stand there and just be intellectual…which is all good, mind you, but hoping for more. May 8th..please get here warp 8!

74. thorsten - March 23, 2009

@74…

Michael, the scenes between Kirk, Spock Prime and Scotty are worth their money… and I have not even seen the encounter of the two Spocks…

75. NC Trekker - March 23, 2009

The “which path will you choose” line by Sarek probably refers to child Spock’s choice of which heritage he would pick, Earth or Vulcan. That choice was a big part of the TAS episode “Yesteryear” when in the end, child Spock chose Vulcan. The choice between Starfleet and the Vulcan Science Academy was made by teenage Spock.

And TMP was one of the most awesome things to ever happen for a 70s Trek fan. The “human adventure is just beginning” line still gives me chills. I was too young to see the original show and it wasn’t syndicated in my area until much later so TAS, the comics, and the 70s books were my introduction to the world of Trek. There is no such things as canon to me, as long as the new movie is true to the spirit, characters, and general feel, it will be Star Trek to me.

76. Closettrekker - March 23, 2009

#67—Absolutely agreed about TMP.

One of the criticisms I often hear about it is the awkward interaction among the characters. Well—it is *supposed* to be awkward. For the past two and a half years, they have all been off in different directions, and seeking their respective places in the Universe. For the previous five years, they were on a journey *together*. It wouldn’t really make sense if they were to quickly fall back into place as if they never left.

TMP is not simply a journey to solve the mystery of V’Ger, but a journey for Kirk, Spock, and McCoy to find that there is but one place in which they belong—by each others’ sides aboard the Starship Enterprise. By the end of the story, they—like V’Ger—find what they are looking for.

77. thorsten - March 23, 2009

@76…

I agree, CT. But at the time, I was 14, I was really looking for something with more bang. I schlepped my half class into the movie on opening day, and had to explain the plot for hours to people who expected Tribbles in Panavision… but what they got was Nomad XL!

78. Closettrekker - March 23, 2009

#77—I understand. As a kid, I didn’t really enjoy TMP. I really thought I was going to see the Star Trek version of Star Wars. It wasn’t until I had reached adulthood and saw it again through those eyes that I really began to understand and appreciate what the film had to offer.

79. Shatner_Fan_Prime - March 23, 2009

#78 … Same here. I wasn’t really taken w/ TMP as a kid. I was under 10 years old and it just warped over my head. I love it now, though.

Now TWOK, on the other hand, that one I loved from day one! Definitely something to be said for both movies.

80. Closettrekker - March 23, 2009

#75—”The “which path will you choose” line by Sarek probably refers to child Spock’s choice of which heritage he would pick, Earth or Vulcan. That choice was a big part of the TAS episode “Yesteryear” when in the end, child Spock chose Vulcan. The choice between Starfleet and the Vulcan Science Academy was made by teenage Spock. ”

Exactly.

I don’t think that Sarek’s words in the trailer (presumably to a Spock about the same age as the one we saw in “Yesteryear”) do anything to interfere with the establishment of the rift we see depicted in “Journey To Babel” and briefly touched upon again in TVH.

I definitiely consider “Yesteryear” to be canon. There is no one better qualified to examine the relationship between Spock and Sarek than Dorothy Fontana, and it is clear from that story that Spock’s decision to pursue a Vulcan way of life is being left to him. It seems to me that, if anything, Sarek’s speech to the young Spock honors what is depicted in “Yesteryear” quite well.

81. Gene L. Coon was a U. S. Marine. - March 23, 2009

#78 “I understand. As a kid, I didn’t really enjoy TMP. I really thought I was going to see the Star Trek version of Star Wars. It wasn’t until I had reached adulthood and saw it again through those eyes that I really began to understand and appreciate what the film had to offer.”

Sums it up. I liked seeing TMP in 79 in high school (and saw it multiple times in the theater), but I didn’t love it. Wasn’t sure why. Thirty years later, with four kids, and a career, I understand it.

Some of the questions V’Ger and Spock ask are among life’s most profound. And, as far as action: Compared to 2001, TMP is Raiders of the Lost Ark.

82. Closettrekker was a U.S. Marine too - March 23, 2009

#81—” And, as far as action: Compared to 2001, TMP is Raiders of the Lost Ark.”

You got that right!

83. Trek Nerd Central - March 23, 2009

So, we know one thing: Spock doesn’t die in this movie. Not if Nimoy’s open to a reprise.

84. Capt Mike Of The Terran Empire - March 23, 2009

This is going to be Geek Heaven on May the 8th. Nimoy Spock meets Quintos Spock. Should be better then when Spock met Data and that was a fantastic scene. This Movie will have it all. Action and Drama and suspense and a great villian and Spock himself and the orignal Voice of the Computer. Come on 1201 am May 8. I just can’t wait much longer.

85. Brian Matthews - March 23, 2009

Isn’t this movie tied directly to canon if they have Nimoy play his Spock?
I mean, is any other linchpin necessary?

86. Closettrekker - March 23, 2009

#85—I don’t think there was ever even a necessity of that.

The film’s story doesn’t contradict what we know as canon because the interference with the past results in an altered timeline.

Moreover, this film’s story is actually dependant upon previously established continuity, given that the story begins in that same timeline. Everything we know as “canon” (ENT-NEM) must occur prior to the events depicted in this story ever taking place. Nero (and of course, Nimoy’s Spock) are products of that timeline.

Once Nero’s attack upon the USS Kelvin in 2233 alters the timeline, the previous guidelines concerning the timetable of events within the Star Trek Universe are no longer binding (going forward, anyway). Only what occurs prior to the timeline incursion is a guaranteed constant.

This story is “canon” (whether events unfold in the same manner or not) because the very notion that interference with the past might result in the creation of an alternate timeline is in itself “canon”—and has been since the very first season of Star Trek.

Some fans may not approve of the use of such a loophole (“You must adhere to canon, but stay away from that aspect of it!”), but there is no valid argument that the loophole itself is not a canonical one. It is an element of canon nearly as old as the franchise itself.

87. steve2 - March 23, 2009

Can I trade my Dad for Leonard Nimoy? (Dad, you are okay, I wouldn’t trade you.)

88. Rocket Scientist - March 23, 2009

86. Closettrekker

I don’t know how many times this has been explained by you and others, but there is a very vocal faction who just won’t buy it, and that’s fine. Nobody is a better judge of what a viewer considers “true” Trek than him or herself.

However, I consider it to be an ingenious and elegant way of clearing the stage for further adventures in the TOS setting without being locked into 40+ years of minutiae. I’m looking forward to this “reboot”, “re-imagining”, “sequel” or “prequel”. Whatever. They went to the trouble of acknowledging what came before instead of just saying “it never happened”. For that I’m grateful.

They may have altered some things that I personally would have left alone, but I’m not a seasoned professional who was considered qualified to bring Trek back.

Let’s see what she’s got! I can’t wait.

89. Closettrekker - March 23, 2009

#88—” They went to the trouble of acknowledging what came before instead of just saying “it never happened”. For that I’m grateful.”

I am as well.

“They may have altered some things that I personally would have left alone, but I’m not a seasoned professional who was considered qualified to bring Trek back. ”

Yes–I think that if you asked 100 established Star Trek fans what *should* have been done with this movie, you would have gotten 100 different answers!

90. Liz - March 23, 2009

Young people in general are less reserved than older people. Why should Spock be any different? I enjoy the work of both Nimoy and Quinto so the movie should be quite grand.

91. Closettrekker - March 23, 2009

#90—”Young people in general are less reserved than older people. Why should Spock be any different?”

I think it is also important to remember that Nimoy’s Spock is far more comfortable in his own skin than the younger version that Quinto is portraying.

The V’Ger experience, coupled with his death and “refusion”, combine to alter the elder Spock’s perspective on things—even moreso than just maturity.

92. BuckeyeTrek - March 23, 2009

I don’t care what anyone says, this movie looks awesome!I don’t care if it is “reboot” or “non-canon”. Trek deserves to continue “boldly going”. So, regardless of how this changes canon, if it keeps the essence of trek and keeps trek in its rightful place among the greatest stories of all time, I will be for it. That said, if this movie sucks, we might just have throw JJ out the airlock (no offense).

93. navamske - March 23, 2009

“For his part, it had been 17 years since he last played the character Spock (in the two-part ‘Unification’ episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation), and that was factored into his performance.”

What I hope this alludes to is the final scene from “Unification Part II,” which marks a significant event in Spock’s life. I quote from the last paragraph (which I wrote, actually) of the Memory Alpha synopsis of that episode:

“As Picard and Spock discuss their gently adversarial relationship, Spock comments that Picard may know Sarek ‘better than his own son did. My father and I never chose to meld.’ On hearing this, Picard says, ‘I offer you the chance to touch what he [Sarek] shared with me.’ As Data watches, Spock places his hand on Picard’s face and makes contact with the essence of Sarek that remains in Picard’s mind, and Picard thus fulfills the request that Sarek made: Spock’s face is suffused with emotion as he realizes the depth of his father’s love for him.”

94. SaphronGirl - March 23, 2009

What if in the new film’s timeline, Spock choses to a live as a human instead of a Vulcan? It would explain why he’s choking Kirk in that scene from the trailer…

95. Andrew - March 23, 2009

I agree with the previous commenters who’ve said that the basic elements for a very good movie are present in ST:TMP. However, the basic plotting was hurt by the decision to take two characters whom the audience didn’t know from the proposed Phase II television series — Decker and Ilia — and make them central to a one-off movie. It was impossible to cover sufficent ground with the original characters, introduce and develop two new characters who, with the exception of the Kirk/Decker rivalry, were given no strong connections to the original crew, and do a 2001-like special effects bonanza, all in 2-hours. Decker’s sacrifice at the end carries only a little more punch than a redshirt death, because we’ve just met the character and have no sense of any connections he’s leaving behind.

Also, the set-up was rendered very poorly. Specifically, I’ll bet there are lots of young kinds (i.e. people under 35) who think that it was V’ger that interrupted Mr. Spock’s ability to finish the Kohlinar…

96. Christine - March 23, 2009

Christiney needs to go to Hollywood Video and grab a “SciFi Now” off the stand. NOW.

I have this very unhealthy obsession with Nimoy.. Heh. ♥

“…Specifically, I’ll bet there are lots of young kinds (i.e. people under 35) who think that it was V’ger that interrupted Mr. Spock’s ability to finish the Kohlinar……”

I’m not one of those. ;3 This 16-year-old thinks he didn’t finish the Kohlinar because it just plain wasn’t right for him, because he’s so incredibly beyond that…

97. SaphronGirl - March 23, 2009

//“…Specifically, I’ll bet there are lots of young kinds (i.e. people under 35) who think that it was V’ger that interrupted Mr. Spock’s ability to finish the Kohlinar……”//

If I remember correctly, the novelization by Gene Roddenberry states that it is because his mind is too troubled by his feelings of emotion for Jim.

98. MC1 Doug - March 23, 2009

#83: So, we know one thing: Spock doesn’t die in this movie. Not if Nimoy’s open to a reprise.”

Do we now? I don’t think we know that at all. We know that the two Spocks meet, but we could see an elder Spock die, perhaps remembering his premise “the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few… or the one.”

It seems to me it would be a fitting way for Nimoy’s Spock to pass off the torch to “these kids.”

Course, I don’t know this any more than do the rest of us in here (and me just playing devl’s advocate– mind you, I do not relish the thought of a death scene played by the elder Spock).

99. Gav - March 24, 2009

Hard to beleive Nimoy is so complacent about having a new timeline take over and everything he worked on for 40 years being rendered invalid

I would hardly call 40 years of rich sci-fi lore “Minutae”. Continuity is sacrosanct. It is the very backbone of what good stories are made of. You can’t just flush four decades of the greatest science fiction saga history will ever know down the crapper because youre too lazy to bother yourself to do some research.

If new fans are too stupid to respect canon, the screw them. It was our selfless devotion to Roddneberry’s noble vision of mankind that made Star Trek the pop culture icon what it is today. And now Paramount is throwing all of us under the bus to appeal to the noseringed, Red Bull drinking, crooked baseball cap wearing lowest common denominator audience. We were here first and the fans should always be honored and respected first and foremost

That which foresakes old fans for new ones deserves neither.

100. Johnny Ice - March 24, 2009

I’ll bet there are lots of young kinds (i.e. people under 35) who think that it was V’ger that interrupted Mr. Spock’s ability to finish the Kohlinar……”
What is your explanation? If i ain’t mistaken Spock explained it pretty well to Kirk and McCoy in captain office that during Kohlinar ritual, Spock began sensing a consciousness more powerful that he have ever encountered. Thought pattern of exactingly perfect order. Spock believe they emanate from the INTRUDER aka Vger.
So Vger incident according to Spock did have a influence(along with his human part) why Spock failed the Kohlinar ritual.

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