New Star Trek Clips + Abrams & Cast Comments April 7, 2009
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There are some more clips from the Star Trek movie now online. Firstly MTV have an extended clip of the Iowa bar scene between Kirk and Uhura, and Yahoo has a shot of Kirk and McCoy on a shuttle. In addition the Australian show Today Tonight have interview clips with JJ Abrams and cast members, interspersed with clips from the movie, including some not seen before. [SPOILERS]
CLIP: "Shot of Love" — Bar scene with Kirk and Uhura (from MTV)
This scene shows you how that bar fight got started.
CLIP: "Disease and Danger" –
Shuttle with Kirk and McCoy (Yahoo)
If you weren’t sure yet that Karl Urban was the man for the job to play McCoy, this should convince you.
Abrams & cast comments w/ new clips (from Today Tonight – Australia)
The following Australian Entertainment show contains segments seen in previous trailers as well as some clips from the above two segments and additional scene with Spock asking Kirk how he and Scotty beamed onto the Enterprise. There are also interview segments with Abrams, Pine, and Quinto from Australia.
[NOTE: segment includes discussion of spoilers not revealed before here at TrekMovie.com]
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Is the goatee guy the same in the bar and on the bridge?
And who’s that Vulcan next to Quinto?
The publicity machnine is REALLY gearing up now !!!
Anthony, you will be VERY busy :-)
Awesome! Can’t wait.
There’s a new McCoy clip here: http://screenrant.com/star-trek-reviews-premiere-vic-6583/
first
Awesome!
Dare I say first?
Sorry – I copy/pasted the wrong link!
http://www.slashfilm.com/2009/04/07/star-trek-clip-1-shot-of-love/
Was Kirk incredibly drunk or was that just really bad acting on Pine’s part?
GOOD Acting!!
#7 Fair Play to you girl, you nearly annoyed me with the wrong link, but that is one hell of an introduction scene!
Gas.
Oh wow, they keep comin and comin – the McCoy clip is great!!!
Woe….sweet
@7
he’s drunk!
Oh yeah, the MTV spot wont play in Ireland-Whats the story with that??
Well it wont play anywhere outside the US-Anyone be able to recommend helping Remington Steele out please??
Where’s that Thorsten fella when you need him-he’s good with these kind of things…
Come Back Thorsten-all is forgiven!!
This is the longest month EVER!
Peace on Earth but we still can’t figure out to prevent a bar fight. ;)
I don’t know how I feel about Spock being in a relationship with Uhura…
I love mccoy
Woooow Urban is McCoy! He is great, that is such a good scene as well, very character driven which is what alot of us were scared it wouldn’t be! Wowsers, as Inspector Gadget would say!
Hmmmm Spock and Uhura…I don’t think I have a problem with it, certainly the next step up from the ho-ha over Kirk Vs Uhura inter-racial kiss huh!!! I wonder how much it is a “relationship” and how much it is Oz press hyping things up!
A little “iffy” on the Spock/Uhura romance… but then again, I was “iffy” on the contrived Scotty-Uhura romance in (The Movie That Dare Not Speak Its Name), so I’m jaded anyway on that score. Also, I’ve always thought of Uhura as being something more than just a “romantic subplot device” for the other characters anyway.
Not liking so much Pine’s delivery in the bar scene — too much douchebag there. He sounds much better in other clips, though. The McCoy clip, however, NAILS the character. Urban for the win! When he started talking aviaphobia to the cadet, it was like hearing DeForest Kelley complain about “having my atoms scattered halfway across the galaxy…”
I’m still stoked for May 7!
Zachary Pinto??? LOL
I’ve been dying to see some Urban action, and that clip was just great! That is definitely Bones. He’s almost channeling Kelley there, especially when his space rant picks up steam. So cool!
8. Jimmy
He’s incredibly drunk. No, seriously.
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SPOILERS
Did that clip say that Spock gets Uhura? Hmmm…. No objection, but interesting
Urban for the win….perfect!!…I was giddy in the bones.
Pine plays a pretty convincing drunk Kirk.
Still hard to tell what his Kirk portrayal will be like, since i assume that Kirk isn’t usually drunk, but so far so good.
MCCOY…. that’s awesome! Great clip! Urban nailed it!
@20 – i think at that point in the story, Kirk is *supposed* to be a complete douchebag.
the story is sort of his journey from total douchebag to brash, spacefaring adventure hero.
OH MY GOD. That McCoy scene was the greatest thing I’ve ever seen!!!!
That clip got me just as excited as ANY of the trailers did.
Holy Crap.
While I was giggling like a school girl I almost didn’t feel my goose bumps.
Hey…I’m the “Jay” from #28.
Who the hell are you #26??
I think that Star Trek XI will be a success..
At first I had my doubts , big ones about Trek XI, ( I don’t like the new bridge ! ) but eventually I realized that Mr. J.J. Abrams and his team did an amazing job giving new life to Star Trek.
I mean that from the standpoint of design, ( I’m an industrial designer ), is incredibly difficult to do something different with a concept that has 40 years in our minds.
Make something new and yet be recognized as part of the Trek universe…that’s the real challenge….Controversial ?,oh yes …. Not pleasing to everyone ?… That’s for sure! But I think it’s a fantastic new conception of things…perhaps that is what we needed.
I’m a hardcore TOS fan , but I realized that I will be a Star trek fan no matter what! … and I’m ready for another five years mission!!
If you think carefully … Mr . J.J. Abrams, with his vision of Star Trek, has gone where no other director has gone before…
Thank’s Mr. J.J.
McCoy… LOL!
…and one of the greatest friendships begins with the words “I may throw up on ya”
Urban takes the cake.
McCoy is perfect. Yay.
But argh, argh, argh! The bar fight doesn’t work in Canada. :(
32. (CAPAirSAR)
Isn’t that PERFECT??? I love this…
the McCoy clip is just great writing. not only does it establish the character very well, it also introduces a perspective on how utopia is just a few cracks away from descending into disaster, which i’d guess is one of the themes of the film.
#28 Jay
Haha i had the same reaction. I laughed like a 12 year old, and not because it was necessarily funny, but because I was totally feeling Bones there, great stuff!!
I always thought with some of those little duets Spock and Uhura did together that maybe she had a bit of a thing for him. Not as bad as Nurse Chapel, of course, but still.
37. (Ruthless Nate)
Then there’s that scene where she blatantly flirts with him, but he shoots her down (”Vulcan has no moon.”)
A third one should be coming soon…
Can someone steal the MTV clip and shove it on youtube or something for us non US fans please … pretty please. I *could* set up a proxy but that would be slooowww :P
I’m in Germany and I can see them all.
Those clips look pretty good. That sure seems like McCoy.
I have the clip on Youtube:
search tomcatjosh
BONES BONES BONES!!! McCoy is my favorite all-time character, and it looks like Urban is going to do Kelley proud. Can’t wait to see more of him!
1. NCC-73515 – April 7, 2009
Is the goatee guy the same in the bar and on the bridge?
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Yes, it is.
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17. SaphronGirl – April 7, 2009
I don’t know how I feel about Spock being in a relationship with Uhura…
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Spock and Uhura, That true the TOS canon.
Uhura seem to have the hots for Spock in the first season.
Spock may get Uhura, but more likely not want her.
It is one way love.
Watch the first season of TOS and you will see it.
@Kaiser The Great, #16 post.
Perhaps you should ask Captain Picard about his own bar fight? :-)
#8. “Was Kirk incredibly drunk or was that just really bad acting on Pine’s part?”
McCoy gives him something that makes him look sick – to get him on board the Enterprise under Medical regulations.
The McCoy clip is spectacular.
And I’ll wager my latinum that an alternative take of that scene has been used in the trailers. The line of “darkness and silence” in the trailer is delivered perfectly, for the trailer. But here, it lends itself better to the scene. Welcome to multiple takes.
#43 Tomcat, sound for putting it up but no dice finding it on youtube….
This is clearly a conpiracy….
#42.That sure seems like McCoy.
Yes it did :)
#29
Oh… there can’t possibly be TWO Jay’s in the world! That would just be ridiculous, now wouldn’t it!?
Try
http://www.mtv.com/videos/movies/369518/exclusive-shot-of-love.jhtml#id=1608760
Thank you tomcatjosh!
But the bar fight scene is really not doing it for me. Sort of crude. Since when does Uhura have such a potty mouth? And I still think “hick” is an ethnocentric, almost racist term. I honestly find that clip difficult to watch.
But thank goodness if that brief mention of the toilet by McCoy is the only feces-related joke in the movie! It wasn’t offensive at all.
#43 Tomcat – I just found it!
Thanks…
Hmmm, Spock & Uhura. Wasn’t expecting that one, but as others have pointed out, that’s not totally out of the question based on certain moments in Season 1 of TOS. After all, nothing could be as bad as the nausea-inducing scenes of Uhura & Scotty together in TFF! :)
I really like Urban in this scene as McCoy. Feels right.
Some will disagree, but I’ll take this Trek over no new Trek at all any day.
If this movie brings aboard new converts to the franchise, and rekindles interest in lapsed trekkies/trekkers, then it would of all been worth it IMO.
I’ll be beaming up to my local theater opening weekend…
Karl Urban NAILS IT.
Somebody please youtube that MTV video clip since it will not be shown to Canadians. Dammit!
#57:”Some will disagree, but I’ll take this Trek over no new Trek at all any day.”
I’ll take it over most of the TOS-based movies, any day.
#53 LOL offended by “hick”
Seriously now.
I liked the bar scene, and Pine’s performance in it… looked like fun.
Yeah, okay #61 Julio. You know, yeah, let’s throw the N-word around in reference to some stupid, violent white guy in the next film. Then it might not be racist., right? WRONG. Hick is an offensive term for a farmer. You don’t say that in enlightened society. It’s called manners and cultural awareness. You know what, I’m disgusted that slipped through.
Remember “It’s how we all feel Mr.Spock” from STTMP? I always thought she sounded a little to emotionally involved. Totally platonic of course.
In the beginning, I was worried when they cast Urban as “Bones” McCoy. DeForest Kelley (who was born in Georgia) portrayed an Atlantian, and then there was his character’s famous hot-headed personality. I truly am not worried anymore. This guy is great!!!
#62
If I couldn’t handle the word “hick”, I’d probably never leave my house… lots of scary things out in the world.
I think Uhura should’ve used the term “cracker” instead.
Spock and Uhura!!!! Cool. He was her mentor in the original timeline. Remember the scene in the Original Series episode Charlie X where she sings with him. Karl Urban is possessed by the spirit of DeForest Kelly. Wow. I am excited about this movie. Quantom Mechanics Baby. I love the new timeline.
#62 hick is a badge of honor for some . you are obviously too well educated to take umbrage. Let it go you pointy eared half breed!
Spock and Uhura? Yes! I can totally see it. Makes them both just that much more interesting.
Karl Urban is a god.
And someone doesn’t like the use of the word “hick?” As a dyed-in-the-wool hick myself (raised in small-town Indiana, however, not Iowa), I am totally comfortable with the use of the word. Sure, I left the small town and got my degrees, but deep down, I think I will always be a hick.
And a Trekkie. So there.
#65 yes, it’s not that I can’t handle it. There’s a lot of crazy stuff in the world and people deal with it daily. My issue is this isn’t the world, it’s Star Trek. And Star Trek holds itself to much higher standards of cultural awareness and respect. Saying “hick” is a big nono for ST. In ST, you don’t see cultural slurs like that, especially from Uhura.
“cracker” would have been okay for me, as well. Or even farmboy. Just not a slur.
#69
OK, I apologize cagmar. I hear where you’re coming from now.
Got a little carried away with a pet peeve of mine… my fault.
#68, 67 I don’t want to go all crazy on this… but don’t a lot of rappers use the N-word, too? I can understand that cultures appropriate the labels placed on them in order to control those labels. But that doesn’t make the label respectful or appropriate for someone outside to use.
Am I wrong?
At #69, I believe racial slurs still exist in ST. The Cardassians were referred to as Cardies and Spoon Heads and McCoy constantly used slurs against Spock like, “Pointy Eared Green Blooded Vulcan”. It’s still around.
All those lucky rich and connected bastards that get to watch this movie before us hould be envied. But we normals have the honor of delayed gratification. Anyone get their fruit loops beam up badge yet? LOL
@ 71 et al – Wow hello line of conversation should probably end there! Wooooow nelly! Potential whooole can could be opened there!
Honestly, “hick” has never bothered me. “Redneck,” however, does bother me, although I’ve never had it directed specifically at me. Maybe it’s because I understand “redneck” to bring with it assumptions about one’s level of education and/or political leanings, and “hick” seems to refer to one’s general upbringing. To me, “hick” means someone who is a little backward and possibly naive, which I fully admit that I am. “Redneck” just means stupid, which I am not.
But that could just be how I understand the words. Others may have a radically different way of looking at them that I had never thought of before. That’s just my two credits’ worth. :-)
Man, Urban is GREAT as McCoy!!! PERFECT!!!!
#74 – Good Call….we’re severally getting away from any form of relevant issue here….
#71 – Yeah, you’re wrong from the get-go.
I know a lot of people who’d shrug off “hick” but would lay you out on the bar room floor for calling them a “cracker” – so don’t presume to speak with authority about whats acceptable in “enlightened society” and what’s objectionable.
#60 “I’ll take it over most of the TOS-based movies, any day.”
I think I’ll keep my TOS-based movies and series, but whatever floats your boat.
My point is there’s now more in Trek for more people, and thats the beauty of it…
Holy crap, they’re RIGHT!!! Karl Urban’s McCoy IS dead on!!!
McCoy looks like he’ll be awesome in this movie. Urban was spot-on! Even Zoe Saldana as Uhura did a nice job in her scene.
I’m not sure about Pine… He did nicely in the trailers, but I guess the style of acting I saw in the above clip was the result of being… rather intoxicated. xD But I’ll see…. IN ONE MONTH.
#78 Apologies. Maybe I missed what cracker means. What is the meaning of that? I don’t know. I’ve never heard it as a slur before. I take back what I said if it is offensive. I would not have used it if it was an offensive slur. Just as I would not have used Hick.
And #72, McCoy isn’t using a slur. He is fighting and yes, he is using physical characteristics to attack Spock – but it’s not a slur. I guess my issue is just the use of the word “hick” and its connotations coming from Uhura. And I do recall, yes, Cardies and Spoon Heads were used… but by whom? I doubt Sisko said it. Or O’Brien. Or anyone in starfleet. That would be wrong.
ROFLMAO! Both clips are great! My warp core is now getting stoked up for this movie!
If memory serves me correctly, I think “Cupcake” is a nod to the scene from ST3: The Search for Spock.
The clip with the scene with McCoy is fantastic.
cagmar, would you be offended if I called you an alarmist ? How about ignorant ? Or obtuse? Its not a slur but its not as much fun either. Y ou can can call me whatever you like( except spoonhead, that really is offensive)
LOL OMG I am going nuts, even though I have not seen the movie lol, I am super hyper. I guess I am just a buzz with good karma for the Sydney premiere and the lucky people in Texas that got to see it before anyone outside of the actors etc. That new shuttle footage is great, Karl Urban IS McCoy.
Almost down to four weeks, can we make it without loosing our minds?
82
Yes it is a slur. If I called an asian person (please excuse me saying this…i’m just trying to make an example) a “slanty-eyed book worm” or something like that…people would think I’m racist.
#82 “Cracker” in a nutshell is a racial slur for “white guy” or “redneck”.
You know, I’ve watched that McCoy scene over and over… fantastic stuff. I’m hoping there are more “character”-driven moments like that in the film. CANNOT WAIT until opening night!
#84 I would not be offended by being called alarmist, ignorant or obtuse. I’d certainly be able to see your point, with the fuss I’m causing. :P But I need to put this out there. I really feel labels are wrong.
The trouble with slurs is that they are often culturally or ethnically or even racially specific. They originate from prejudice and negative generalization. That, we can do without in Star Trek.
#86, 87 wow, then “cracker” is absolutely not a term that should be used either. I’d not want Uhura saying it, nonono.
Meanwhile, #86 those are racist remarks, and they are also wrong. So maybe I could see McCoy putting down someone physically, if you believe that is part of his character. But Uhura? Just about over the line, I’d say.
cagmar @82: You know, I think O’Brien did use the term “Spoonhead.” I don’t know for sure, but I feel like he’s one of the ones who used the term as he was working through all his issues with the Cardassians and coming to grips with his feelings.
The point, I guess, is that the racism in Trek is never, ever endorsed. But it does exist.
Should Uhura use the word “hick?” Probably not. Is it going to keep me from enjoying the film? Nope.
Spock let Uhura get away with teasing more than anyone else on the ship. That song she sang in “Charlie X” was pure flirting, as she and most every other woman on the ship was turned on by his aloofness and mysteriousness.
Plenty of bigotry in Star Trek.
Stiles’ blatant bigotry in “Balance Of Terror”, for instance, and terms like “spoonheads”, “Cardies”, etc., etc. are used in the spinoff series.
But still—I don’t see Uhura’s use of the term “hick” as offensive at all. She’s using it in a manner which simply suggests unenlightened or uneducated. She’s fending off what she sees as an unwelcome advance at this point by a drunken young man in a bar.
Why assume that its 23rd Century usage refers at all to ethnicity? That doesn’t make sense.
And I cannot say that I am totally shocked by implications of something going on between Uhura and Spock (at least one-sidedly), but I hope it isn’t taken too far.
cagmar, you green-blooded half breed…
LMAO Urban’s McCoy is PERFECT! But apparently theyve reverrsed his fears, it seems now that he’s afraid of Shuttles than the Transporter (although we havent seen him use the transporter yet)
wow, I had heard Urban was spot-on as McCoy, but I thought it was an exaggeration… I’m glad I was wrong! :D
I liked Urban in TLOTR and also in the Bourne movie with Matt Damon. BTW wasn’t Matt rumored to be Kirk at one point? I think he realized it might comprimize his other opions because once your Kirk you are Kirk for life. Chris Pine is a decent actor and I think we can expect a fine performance from him. My only question is how long untll STXII?
#90, yes, interesting. O’Brien did have his issues with Cardassians, you are right. I remember now. I’m still not sure he used the term though, but he may very well have thought it.
And I really think you got it there, actually. ST does have slurs and racism in doses at times, but it is never endorsed or played for fun. Maybe that’s what’s so disquieting about this bar scene… Uhura really goes all in, but just for a laugh. And it’s a little too sharp for me. Insult Kirk, but don’t insult farmers everywhere with a generalization.
Hick is an acceptable racist slur because rednecks and hicks won’t burn the city to the ground, sue-the-pants- or cut-your-head-off when offended. They might shoot you dead, but that’s not a problem when you insult them via a movie, the Internet, television or email. Hmmm…. stereotypes are never nice, are they?
Racism is still racism, bigotry is still bigotry, even when directed against white Christians who live in the countryside. Some people, as myself who was born at Philadelphia and now has an estate on the Main Line, appreciate the “hick’s” simple, unpretentious lifestyle and simply call them “good people”.
You’d think a Star Trek movie would do better.
Sincerely,
C.S. Lewis
#98 Cheers!
WHOA WHOA WHOA!! SPOCK HAS UHURA?!!! How on Vulcan did this happen?
My main problem with folks who feign offense at these type things is that it’s almost always followed-up by a treatise on how righteous the “offended” party is.
I’d like to think one of the things that will disappear in the future is thought-police.
I still dont like the fact that JJ didnt know jack about Star Trek before this, but from those clips I still find my self more stoked. Finally we get to see a bit of McCoy and I think so far Urban’s doing an awesome job.
That McCoy clip was awesome!
@43 Thanks mate
#101, Right, freedom of speech and expression is so important to humanity. Without it, we would shrivel up and die. You are dead on, man.
But like I said before, I didn’t even realize the connotations of “cracker” when it was brought up. I’m by no means perfect as far as selecting what is right or wrong to say. Trouble for me is, I think Orci, Kurtzman, Saladana, Pine and JJ all knew what Hick meant.
Only part of me is being sarcastic when I say this is a fine example of Australian journalism and broadcasting.
Oh my god-why are we hanging up on this issue???
As has been pointed out here, racial slurs have been used before in Star Trek, in the 23rd AND 24th century….
IT HAPPENS….GET OVER IT.
People are using it as one more reason not to like this movie.
Grow up for gods sake.
#107, I love the movie so far! I’m really enjoying what I’ve seen and heard. Urban is brilliant as McCoy.
This “hick” issue is by no means a reason to not like the entire movie. Rather, it is serious fan concern for a show that always set itself to a higher standard.
What can you expect from a simpering, devil-eared freak whose father was a computer and his mother an encyclopedia?
“Why should I object to that term, sir? In our century, we’ve learned not to fear words.”
– Lt. Uhura
Yup, that was a great McCoy clip. I hope they go into a bit why he’s going to Starfleet since he seems just a ‘little’ uneasy about a shuttle flight.
please note that when you praise “mccoy” or any other character, you are in fact prasing b’orci and kurtzman for giving them the words.
all of these artists have done so very well in the face of some highly neurotic expectations.
why did they give this shot of love clip to mtv, can’t see it “for copryright bla bla bla…
Haha… #110: Context, my friend, context. I bet I could pull a couple words off the top of my head she would still object to.
The best thing about those clips is the Captain Riker / Johnathan Frakes voice over
Wow. Those two clips are amazing. They don’t reveal too much, but Urban’s McCoy just blew me away, and Pine’s brash performance in that clip alone has me looking forward to this movie now more than ever.
108. Cagmar
So the bestiality reference is okay with you then? Lol.
Wow…this thread is way off course…this is not a bad discussion, but it belongs on it’s own thread.
110-well done.
McCoy is gold. I buy young Kirk as a punk. And let’s face it, Uhura gave Spock the eye when ever he played that Vulcan harp of his. This romance has been bubbling since the 60s. You think she’d take Star Fleet personnel hostage to steal a ship to rescue the body of just anyone?
Bottom line, these clips kick serious arse and I cannot wait for May 8.
Movie reference point. Nero’s done major damage to the Federation. Ergo, they’re taking all they can get into Starfleet. So, some crude guys (also drinking) in the bar on both sides might let loose fly some marginal terms such as “hick”.
Linguistic point. “Hick” is just a since-the-1300’s English nickname for “Richard”. So is “Dick”. Maybe they should have called him ‘dick’ instead of ‘hick’, eh? It only got its rural slur around the 1500’s. That it’s still around in 2260 is no biggie.
An I-grew-up-in-the-South point. “Cracker” isn’t all that bad. Really. The AAA baseball team in Atlanta before the Braves moved in 1966 from Milwaukee was called… (drumroll please) The Atlanta Crackers. And that goes back to 1901. Not only that, the Atlanta Negro League baseball team was called the Atlanta Black Crackers. “I’m a cracker from Georgia.” was never a slur, but a statement of pride.
#117, oh nooo. I also didn’t appreciate Uhura’s potty mouth, as I said earlier. I think the whole sequence is a little difficult to watch. Especially since she seems to be adding bestiality to her intended definition of a hick… yikes!
McCoy is just perfect!
‘Hick’ is not a racial slur. It also has nothing to do with farmers. It’s regional, usually referring to an individual from a rural area, and can refer to any ethnicity. Ya know, a rube, a bumpkin, a yokel? It can be used in a pejorative way, but it can also be used in a joking or even complimentary manner. It will never, under any circumstance, be on equal footing with a racial slur. Ever. So let’s not even go there.
In the context of the scene, Kirk provoked Uhura by his unwanted flirtation. She’s saying it to get a rise out of him, because he’s clearly a local. She’s young, and we need not walk away thinking it somehow impugns her character. To even escalate this conversation to this level is ridiculous. If she’d simply called him ’stupid’ would we be having this conversation? Or is that a racial slur as well?
#120 … woah, so I started out expressing concern about Uhura’s choice of language … and this conversation has turned into defending racial and ethnic slurs because at one time they were considered all right? Sorry, I really didn’t want that to happen.
I remember they used to release safety videos around WW II, in case a nuke went off, where they literally told you to “duck and cover” to keep safe when a nuke went off. Doesn’t mean they were right! LOL
Wow- they’ve nailed it. Diamond-in-the-rough Kirk and cantankerous, doubting McCoy. I’m loving it!
I can’t play the first clip in my region (Montreal)…
Wonderful…
The McCoy clip is awesome. Urban is spot on!
Oh Cagmar,
Grow up and learn something before firing off idiotic messages. “Hick” has NO, absolutely NO, racial overtones. It means unsophisticated and boorish, which is how the cadets perceive Kirk, a towny from Iowa. PUH-LEEEZE, let’s not become so politically correct that our language loses all meaning, and we start injecting racial tension where there is none. THAT’S unsophisticated and boorish… don’t bring it here.
I actually think that Pine in the bar scene is EXACTLY like Shatner’s Kirk when he’s being all romancy… he’s got the cocky chin thrust… the kind of off-hand attitude, and the balls to push the big guy into a rage by patting him on the cheek. Not bad acting at all, IMO. Picking up character traits without imitation.
Urban as McCoy is frakking awesome.
I need to hear him say “I’m a doctor, not a [something]” RIGHT NOW.
Maybe you’ll want to read the entire discussion, #127.
I’m not saying it has racial connotations. It is a negative, cultural and ethnocentric term, used to construct a prejudiced generalization of a certain rural farmer type.
Is it possible for Trekmovie to host the 1st clip on youtube or something for us poor, suffering non-US types? :D
#124 You remember WW II videos? I defer to your agèd wisdom.
Sorry no, #124 hehe… I’m not that old. I have seen the videos while studying Disaster Management. I did not live when they were released.
#133 Video during WW II, eh? Must have been top secret stuff.
cagmar, maybe they’ll reshoot and say “counrty bumpkin’” instead. Maybe she should call him a HUMAHN in a Ferengi accent. Go outside meet people my friend, were not all giant bags of mostly water. I s Borg Swedish ? ‘night folks , tonight I sleep the sleep of naive ignorant uneducated hicks.
Good-bye.
To the people who have a problem with the “southern hick” statement: When I don’t like something, I can “make like a duck and let it roll off my back”. Still the same, I’ll tell you now: I am a southern hick(ette). I am a genuine, proud-to-be southern gal who loves watching the Blue Collar gang and can’t get enough Bill Engvall’s “here’s your sign” jokes. I grew up in Bakewell, TN and it’s full of the best, most passionate, generous, and wonderful people who you will ever meet in your life. Down here, we call ourselves hicks, and we laugh. We call ourselves rednecks, and we laugh. We can laugh at ourselves, because many of us were raised with a positive character trait–one, which teaches us that an ability to laugh at yourself is a bi-product of humility. This is sadly being slowly replaced by a level of conceit which fools people into thinking the world revolves around feelings, and anyone who laughs at his/herself must have a low self esteem or a secret disdain for who they are. None of this is true. For crying out loud, I wish some people would grow up, turn Oprah off, and start trying life by trading in the “me” radar for a little bit of class.
I think McCoy is going to be my favorite in this new movie
#134, the year of the videos is somehow significant and disruptive to my point? Not really. My point is, just because people believed something at one time, doesn’t make it right. Let’s use… the earth being flat as an example instead, shall we?
#137, again, read the discussion please. We went over this. You would be perfectly within your rights to call Kirk a “hick” because you are part of that group and you control those words. Uhura is not.
#CS Lewis & others. Could you help JJ, O&K consider the racial slur implications fo the following synonyms for “hick”? Just in case they accidentally use them in a sequel… I mean, Dr. McCoy’s very likely to let one loose….
Arkie, boor, bumpkin, clodhopper, cornfed, cowpoke, cracker, digger, dirtplugger, hayseed, hillbilly, holedigger, Okie, oxherder, ploughboy, provincial, redneck, rube, sharecropper, yokel…
I’ve got Jeff Foxworthy on speed dial just in case you can’t come through. But I need to go mow my lawn first, since I reckon I need to find a ‘preowned automobile’ to drive out to the moving picture theater in time for that there 8th of May day-butte.
I grew up around Southern US farmers, and was born in Western Ohio where my cousins still are active farmers. Not ONE of them, or anyone in our family is going to be offended by “hick”, or “barnyard animal” jokes. We’d laugh JUST like Pine’s smiley, snarky, drunk-as-a-skunk Kirk does. (Oh crap, ’skunk’ can be taken as a racial epithet… crap!)
#137
Well said, Sarah. I grew up in a ‘hick town’ full of self-described ‘rednecks’ and most of us were able to laugh and poke fun without getting ourselves worked up about it. I still get a kick out of people that assume I’m a cowboy just because I’m from Arizona.
This Movie is so going to rock and i am so there at 1201am on May 8th. it will be fantastic. I though from this point will not watch any more clips as Im now going to wait till the Movie Comes out. at least I will Try. Lol
wow…someone getting their panties (or boxers) in a bunch over “hick”.
Get over it. It’s called “clever dialogue”. Look at the scene: He’s making an unwanted advance, she’s countering his advance with something that might shut him down. The linguist is using WORDS. Golly!
As a honkie (or honkey), I have no issue with cracker, hick, or any other term used now or in the sci-fi future because kiddies, they are just words. Like #110 said. Maybe I’m just used to being auto-branded a hick by the east & left coasters because I live in flyover country, but I don’t care. I thought it was funny. I thought his response was funny. He (Kirk) probably thought it funny until the first punch landed in his face.
Yes, you are OVER-reacting. This hick can handle hearing the word “hick”.
HICK HICK HICK. Cracker, cracker, cracker… Redneck, redneck, redneck.
If you say them enough, you realize something. They’re just words. If those hurt your sensibilities, I’m sorry. Walk through an elementary schoolyard, you’ll soil yourself.
Now, how ’bout that Urban! He’s bringing Leonard McCoy back!
Hey. Im a proud member in good standing of the Blue collar Redneck Club. Also a Trek Geek and a Bigtime Scifi Buff. So. I have Versitility. Get R Done!!!!!
“ShawnP – April 7, 2009
108. Cagmar
So the bestiality reference is okay with you then? Lol.”
tell me your trolling, please. have you never been in a bar, ever? are you so PC that your mind has turned to self-righteous mush?
LOL, indeed.
I’d just like to point out that the use of the word “hick” in the film, whether or not the word has any particular racial, cultural, or economic inflections or is intended as a slur, does not constitute an endorsement of the term by Star Trek.
Re: Quinto’s hair
There are lots of comments on this site about “how bad that wig is”, and as it turns out, it’s actually his own hair. Go figure.
69. cagmar – April 7, 2009
#65 yes, it’s not that I can’t handle it. There’s a lot of crazy stuff in the world and people deal with it daily. My issue is this isn’t the world, it’s Star Trek. And Star Trek holds itself to much higher standards of cultural awareness and respect. Saying “hick” is a big nono for ST. In ST, you don’t see cultural slurs like that, especially from Uhura.
“cracker” would have been okay for me, as well. Or even farmboy. Just not a slur.
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139: I saw your post at #69. I saw nothing wrong with Uhura using hick. Sorry, dear. I disagree with your opinion.
Holy Shit, after seing Kurl Urban as Dr. Bones. He nailed the Bones
Okay guys, this is getting out of hand now, #145. So I’m done here. Just wanted to express my concern at Uhura’s language, and whether people agree or disagree — well, it takes all kinds to make up this world.
Orci and Kurtzman can maybe take this into account next time. That was my intention and I don’t need this to go any further with people reading half the discussion and getting petty.
I’ve enjoyed the rest of what I’ve seen of the movie and I definitely look forward to opening night.
cagmar – you’ve obviously never had a drink thrown in your face.
That’s just Uhura going into “drunk guy battle.” She went easy on him.
I wonder how long till this hits the internet… (to those who actually think about downloading it… SHAME ON YOU! You’re depriving your self from an awesome experience… don’t be a moron, go watch it in IMAX!)
The end
Both of these clips are great! I love the one with McCoy’s introduction. I’m not sure if he had Aviaphobia or not, but this scene is pretty dang funny. I can’t wait to see the other 125 minutes of the film.
God bless!
zachary “pinto”?
I watched both clips. I even watched them twice, just to make sure. I do not believe in these people as those characters. In these clips there is nothing that “feels like” Star Trek to me. Seems like just a couple of generic scenes that could be from any current day movie, which is not a compliment.
What a great day to be a Star Trek fan…
#155
Wow. Quite sad.
I’m glad to get a little dialogue peak longer than a split second.
Man, Urban is REALLY channeling some DeForest Kelley … probably going to be my sleeper favorite.
Yeah – Thar’s all about Star Trek. Good lord what a mess.
#155-I/we can always count on you to pour a bucket of cold water on me/us. After seeing Urban’s portrayal, however, it’s gonna take a lot more than a bucket, Stanky. This fan that was born the same year as Star Trek feels….”young…..I feel……………….YOUNG!!!” Trek is back don’t give it no flack!!!!! (Yes, Spock, I’m using a double negative) :)
What a load of crap.
OMG! Urban is the reincarnation of McCoy!
This is what happens when you let TV people take over. Silly, stupid, garbage.
#161/159-Perhaps a visit to Nona, a slash to her hand, and a mocco root will get some of that poison out of your fangs-lol-just teasing! ;-)
McCoy scene was great. Nice nervous rambling from the Doc there.
The bar scene was meh. I really really REALLY want to like this new incarnation and I’m still going to reserve judgment until I see it, but if the dialogue is this trite and bland throughout the movie, I’m a little concerned.
There’s always gotta’ be one, right? (Re: #155)
(sigh)
I live in a rural area and could be considered a hick by some. Funny how it’s “ok” to make fun of a dumb hick. We are all inbreeds and screw animals. Imagine if the term “ghetto slime” was used. I’m in no way offended by any of this. I think its cool to make fun of all stereo types. Only when the joke makes you realize how stupid they truly are. We are all individuals.
Just interesting how only certain ones are ok. Just because you’re from a rural area doesn’t mean your dumb. Just because you’re from an urban area does not mean you’re dumb. Not trying to start a great debate. I just find it interesting. I can’t wait to see this movie!
#166-Nah, there’s more than one…however, Stanky & Mugato remind me more of Lokai & Bele from “Let That Be Your Last Batlefield”. Should you call security? “No…….where can they run?” (To you both, I’m teasin’ and if I didn’t get the line right, my apologies, I’m tired tonight). Tisk, tisk “Mr. Scott, young minds, fresh ideas….be tolerant!”
-150
I hope Orci and Kurtzman never take pointers from you, especially when they’re so much better at what they do than you will ever be.
Jesus, political correctness has ruined all entertainment. Grow up and smell the…er…world?
I’m from Iowa, I only work in Nebraska…and the term hick doesn’t offend me at all. I guess as a farmboy in Iowa, I took the term hick very lightly, more so than even the term redneck, which I think is hilarious. Sense of humor, people; it makes life a lot more tolerable to live!
Anthony can you please cease the hostility going on here, i left the Startrek.com boards because of that, I dont want to see it here. kthxbai
It’s BONES!!!!
Mr. Urban, my humblest apologies for ever, ever doubting you!
Karl Urban is outstanding
anyone else noticing the stylized lense flares that are cropping up all over the clips we’ve seen so far.
its a choice obviously. an interesting one.
#169 –
Maybe you dont’ agree but that kind of talk is SO uncalled for.. Nobody here knows what cagmar does or at what capacity. Behave yourself.
P.S. The lens flairs are totally sort of irritating.
we are so lucky to have what we always hoped for………..see ya’ll on the 8th + 1 second
#130 “I’m not saying it has racial connotations. It is a negative, cultural and ethnocentric term, used to construct a prejudiced generalization of a certain rural farmer type.”
Gee, you don’t say?
171: You’re right, Tanner. The subject’s run it’s course. People, let’s cool it and lay the subject to rest. I left Startrek.com for the same reason. Please, let’s not let this board turn out to be like that one!
Hahahaha, Zachary PINTO.
This is a Star Trek reboot, not a Ford reboot!! :P
Oh my God. Urban is perfect. I never doubted, but . . .
Leonard McCoy is back!
I loved the McCoy clip.
The bar scene was extremely generic and made me wince a little bit. However, it could easily work in context, and based on the early reviews, I’ll trust that it does.
155. The Real Stanky McFibberich
You don’t like it because you don’t want to. You never liked it. Even on day one, in the days of Gd846c3, you didn’t like it. Now, I am not saying you have to. I am sorry you don’t, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but your unwillingness to like it is disturbing. Star Trek is not a bible, its a movie franchise. Why not enjoy the ride?
I have no problem with the Uhura/Spock love interest. There are a few episodes where she does flirt or try to flirt with Spock. Apparently Nurse Chapel hasn’t been assigned to the ship yet. I love Urban’s take on McCoy, it’s not the same as DeForest Kelly but it still has the right feel to it. I think Pine is a perfect Kirk. The bar scene is vintage Kirk, smart, cocksure, and just a little mouthier than he ought to be.
Zack “Pinto”??? Just goes to show TV news reporters all over are dumb, not just in the U.S.
DAMN! I had heard that Urban’s McCoy was a dead ringer, but WOW! Gonna take me a little longer to wrap my head around Pine’s Kirk, though…I need to see more.
“183. Tiberius – April 7, 2009
I have no problem with the Uhura/Spock love interest….Apparently Nurse Chapel hasn’t been assigned to the ship yet… ”
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Opens a few doors for XII, doesn’t it? I would like to see Chapel in XII, just no love triangles.
Can someone post the links of the clips on YouTube? Pls I am on my Iphone.
I am so proud of everyone involved here to pull this off. Can’t for a month from today!!
Amazing!!!
Alex
187 Almalarm:
Here you go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia9zBDR9VAA&feature=channel_page
Fan-effing-tastic! I really am thankful for those two clips. I thought that I was going to start twitching like an addict strung out and jonesing for his junk when I found out that not only did the Australians, but the Texans had first crack at the new movie. I’ll live with my little snips and giggles until then.
And holy crap! Urban is freaking great. He even get’s the little speech nuances of De Kelly. He has been the one I was most excited about.
“89. cagmar – April 7, 2009
#86, 87 wow, then “cracker” is absolutely not a term that should be used either. I’d not want Uhura saying it, nonono.”
“Cracker” is poor white or white trash, historically used by upper class whites. I does not have he the racist history or connotations that any other term you can think of that whites have given to people of color throughout the ages. It doesn’t come with inherent characteristics (physical or otherwise of race). For example, all a poor white has to do is get an education a clean himself up to rise in social class. A black, asian, latino, or whomever is still a physically different and often discriminated-against minority in the U.S. no matter his education or wealth.
Whites today try to equivocate it to historically racist terms to absolve themselves to a degree.
Sorry I meant Zach…
Who cares that she said Hick? It’s that stupid “sex with animals” line that made me cringe. I think they’re trying to reinvent Uhura by giving her lousy lines and throwing in some sort of love interest for her. sheesh.
“C.S Lewis”,
Yes, it’s quite the terrible burden indeed, to be a white Christian in America. But seriously, now–is it possible for you, just once, to post anything without wringing your hands or clutching your pearls? Just curious.
“193. StarTrekkie – April 7, 2009
Who cares that she said Hick? It’s that stupid “sex with animals” line that made me cringe. I think they’re trying to reinvent Uhura by giving her lousy lines and throwing in some sort of love interest for her. sheesh.”
Reinvent her? Uhura was always the sexiest thing on the bridge.
…And on the show from week to week.
Spock/Uhura.
I don’t really see it as some major romance. In my opinion, Spock and Uhura just share a close friendship. Uhura loves to tease Spock and confuse him about human illogic, just like Kirk and Bones, in her own way. Like in The Man Trap, or Charlie X. I can see her having some sort ofmsummer romance, but nothing major. And I’m sure she will tend to lean to the logical, cool Spock for support. That’s just a part of Uhura’s strong, independent character.
Everyone was so entranced in Karl Urban’s performance, no one mentioned the nice nod to the Andorians.
98. C.S. Lewis – April 7, 2009
“Hick is an acceptable racist slur because rednecks and hicks won’t burn the city to the ground, sue-the-pants- or cut-your-head-off when offended. They might shoot you dead, but that’s not a problem when you insult them via a movie, the Internet, television or email. Hmmm…. stereotypes are never nice, are they? Racism is still racism, bigotry is still bigotry, even when directed against white Christians who live in the countryside. Some people, as myself who was born at Philadelphia and now has an estate on the Main Line, appreciate the “hick’s” simple, unpretentious lifestyle and simply call them “good people”. You’d think a Star Trek movie would do better.”
You obviously are clueless about what racism (or racist language) is. Just because it offends you (or me), it doesn’t make it racist. Stick to comments on the fantasy world of Star Trek.
Hey, um, since when did this become a forum on racism? I am checking out of this thread.
NCC-73515 #1
Looks like Sarek of Vulcan!
Wow, Karl Urban plays an amazing Dr. McCoy. I can’t wait to see more!
“An unsophisticated provincial person.”
– Dictionary definition of the supposedly shocking word. So ridiculous.
Redneck Ten Commandments (from the source):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ararYliFcCM
Urban IS McCoy. I love the emphasis in the “it’s the fear of DYING in something that FLIES”. PERFECT inflections.
I’m doing what I do with all big movies I’m extremely pumped about, like The Dark Knight, and not watching any clips before I see it. And I make a point of not reading movie reviews. Since a review is just one person’s opinion and means absolutely nothing whatsoever, I’m not going to let them influence my perception of the movie.
I grew up in Burbank, California, home to Disney, Warner Bros and half the TV business… and sometimes I feel like a hick. People need to chill.
What’s cool about the line is that flirtatious insults are realistic.
I can’t believe how many times I’ve watched the theatrical trailer.
Michael,
I could not have said it better!
Also, I’ll admit that I’ve only done a quick once-over on this thread, but I find it amusing that with all of the issues of bigotry in ST, there wasn’t much mentioned about ST VI:
“I bet that Klingon bitch killed her father!”
“Look who’s coming to dinner.”
“alien trash of the galaxy”
“homo sapiens only club”
“What about that smell? You know only the top of the line models can even talk.”
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194. Michael Hall – April 7, 2009
“C.S Lewis”,
Yes, it’s quite the terrible burden indeed, to be a white Christian in America. But seriously, now–is it possible for you, just once, to post anything without wringing your hands or clutching your pearls? Just curious.
what was with Abrams’ “then they told me there had been ten films and I said ‘what?!’” Has he said that before? He cannot be serious.
Sad they let slip the Uhura/Spock thkng, I must stop reading.watching spoilers here… my best Trek movie experience was VI where I went in knowing nothing… for all the others I’ve been way too informed.
I sympathize with anyone who is secretly hoping that they’ll enjoy the movie but has had a little bit of a sinking feeling as more and more details come to light.
•This is MTV-ified Star Trek. The whole reason I liked it in the beginning (TNG-era), is because Star Trek had a brain. It’s smart business to go action based & MTVish, but then again, Trek has always been a hit being true to itself. When it tried to get flashy it has been at its worst.
I’ve been put off by the interview remarks like: “I never was a Star Trek fan, but……” And I’ve been put off by the trailers in a way I can’t even explain. I think it really hit home sometime after I first saw, “Why are you talkin’ to me, man?” Hopefully I’ll be proven wrong by a smart, exciting film!
Oh. My. God.
Chris Pine is amazing as Kirk. He does do a few Shatnerisms there, doesn’t he? Or am I crazy? He’s wonderful. And Karl Urban just gave me chills in his performance as McCoy.
I’m officially excited again for this film.
ARGHHHHH WHY CAN’T THE BAR SCENE ONE WORK IN CANADA? Hate for region-locked videos! Hate!
On the other hand, I’m so so so so happy with the McCoy clip that I almost don’t even care. SO EXCITED!
#210 -
Hold me, friend.. I fear it too. That recent interview with Patrick Stewart, where he said that he can tell when Star Trek is on just from hearing the dialogue because Star Trek talk has a particular sound.. I’m not hearing it here.. Plus, I’ve had to listen to that McCoy clip about 10 times to pick out everything he says– he’s talking so fast and so sloppy.. I’m very scared. I hope I’m proven wrong too..
193: “Who cares that she said Hick? It’s that stupid “sex with animals” line that made me cringe. I think they’re trying to reinvent Uhura by giving her lousy lines and throwing in some sort of love interest for her. sheesh.”
That line was what annoyed me, too. I guess I expected Uhura to be classier than that, and come up with a way to say it without saying it, if you know what I mean.
Nice to see they still got funk music in the future. ;)
Chris Pine mocks Zachary Quinto’s Spock magazine cover on the red carpet
Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqUT7XmpsKo
Holy crap. This IS Star Trek. I CANNOT WAIT!
Wow, I’m really surprised so many of you are missing the point about ‘hick.’ The point is the intention behind it, and really, there is a very good analogy in how n-word is used.
As Sarah pointed out, many of us do say it in the south — for each other. But it is generally *not acceptable* or *polite* for others from outside the south to use it. That is not too dissimilar from the n-word.
People can laugh and say, “oh, it doesn’t matter” all they want. That’s not the point. The point is that a lot of people do take offense to it. You have a choice: either be sensitive to it or not. As for me, I also call myself a hick sometimes just to be self-deprecating, but for Uhura to say that to Kirk is not only way out of character but also probably way insensitive. Not that that is necessarily a bad thing. Sensitivities have their times and places. A bar where Kirk is acting like a complete jack a-word may not be one of them.
Context is important in linguistic analysis, much more so than history. History of the word, in this case, is almost wholly irrelevant because clearly the meaning and contexts in which it is used have changed somewhat.
Finally, it is worth noting Uhura’s comment about President Lincoln calling her a “lovely negress” in “The Savage Curtain” I believe. She responded with something like, “Why would I take offense at a mere name?” Of course, I wonder if the people on this board defending the liberal use of the word hick would also defend the use of other slurs — of which hick is clearly intended to be one by many — in line with Uhura’s TOS comment.
In the end, it should be tolerated I’d think, but it’s just poor taste.
117. ShawnP – April 7, 2009
So the bestiality reference is okay with you then? Lol.
Please, let’s not call anyone or anything a beast. How about ‘animal-american.’
Chris Pine and Zachary Quinto on First Aid-Epilepsy
Very Funny!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-zVjcZcmfw
Sorry folks. McCoy is AWFUL. If he’s like that the whole movie, it will be really sad. It’s like some kind of parody of McCoy first in horrible writing and second in Urban’s performance. Sadly, I am confirmed in my belief that the staff of Trek Movie has been given some financial consideration by Paramount to promote this film to unsuspecting Trek fans.
“Sorry folks. McCoy is AWFUL.”
Sorry RD, 99% think otherwise ;)
“Sadly, I am confirmed in my belief that the staff of Trek Movie has been given some financial consideration by Paramount to promote this film to unsuspecting Trek fans.”
Here come the paranoid conspiracy theories!
168. JimJ – April 7, 2009 Sorry dude. If Star Trek is making jokes about sex with animals – cripes – what can Isay?
RD:
Crawl back to your basement and leave ‘Star Trek’ alone. If you feel this site is tainted by industry cash, then do the right thing and never, ever show up here again with those of us who have been so happily hoodwinked.
Or, prove it.
You are right, and we are wrong. The “unsuspecting Trek fans” are 99% to your 1%.
Go climb under a rock.
Does anyone have the link to the clips on YouTube?
Very obviously a pile of horse dung.
No wonder Paramount is throwing fits.
RD – confirmed? Please. You’re holding on to quite a few blind beliefs.
Karl Urban is great in that clip, he seems to have a slight southern tone to his voice and has some of the irrascibility that DeForest Kelly.
I will always prefer De Kelly, Kelly brought so much of himself into the role and from what I read he was a great human being. I am glad that Urban is honoring this legend.
I am not sure about the Kirk, Spock and Uhura triangle and Spock getting it on with Uhura, where the hell did this come from as it was never even hinted at in the show. But as I remind myself is set in an alternate timeline and does not affect the canon.
They are obviously doing just doing this to make it appeal even more to the mainstream audience as mainstream Hollywood does.
Stil be great to Uhura more to do this time.
#129 … “I need to hear him say ‘I’m a doctor, not a [something]‘ RIGHT NOW.”
You will. :-) Everyone who thinks Urban/McCoy was great in this clip is right, he is totally great (I saw the movie in Austin).
The Spock/Uhura thing is something I’m really hoping they’ll drop. WAY out of character for Spock, unless we view him as much more human and less Vulcan. Let’s put it this way, he never behaved this way in TOS, except for when under the influence of some outside force.
“This is the first time Spock’s had a love interest,” so says the interview.
I guess they’ve never heard of “This Side of Paradise,” “All Our Yesterdays,” or “The Cloud Minders.” Dammit, I wish people would check their stuff before opening their mouths and saying something stupid.
I’m disappointed to see that Star Trek has fallen so low that Uhura has to make bestiality jokes.
Karl Urban’s McCoy is like an over-the-top parody of McCoy; I mean, sure the good doctor didn’t like the transporter, but he wasn’t a blasted hypochondriac for cryin’ out loud.
Although a great scene I felt McCoy seemed more worried about everything than the McCoy we know from TOS.
He didn’t like the transporter, dont recall him being worried about the ship falling apart.
Will he call Spock “You green blooded, sun of a bitch!”
230 – I was shouting at him when he said this
Obviously the interviewer is not a fan. Uhura seems to be being used in the Hollywood mainstream cliche of being the ‘love interest’ Its the price for Trek going mainstream.
I also agree with you I though that in clip he had the slight southern drool and inflections, he was not De Kelly. McCoy was not a hypchondriac.
#231 … “Will he call Spock ‘You green blooded, sun of a bitch!’”
Close!
What’s amusing about the Mtv clip is that in the 21st century, most ‘hicks’ of a certain age (kids/teens/20s) commonly joke about sex with farm animals. Sheep farmers for example have been known to dress up sheep in garters/tights as a teasing ‘gift’ to their friends. It’s one of the world’s oldest agriculture/horticulture jokes (cf Ovid, Hesiod) and believably could be retained in the cultural parlance of the US Midwest several centuries hence. Uhura’s comeback is a common one, oft-repeated in ‘hick’ bars, and shows how witty she is. The undertone of this scene has the easily recognizable ‘college vs. local townie’ dynamic, and provides a nice character tension to throw in as well.
Liked the bar scene, that was 100% Kirk.
Hated the McCoy scene, I couldn’t make out what Urban was saying until the 2nd time, I hope the rest of the portrayal is easier on the ears.
Like the Spock-Uhura pairing, it sounds logical considering his mom is human, and T’pring is a bitch.
Empire Magazine has a review of the movie online, I hav’nt read it, want to know as little as possible lol.
The way they cut the bits of the interviews together, when Karl Urban says “It’s sexy; it’s back; it delivers in spades,” it REALLY sounds like he’s talking about Spock’s hairstyle :)
People – get real. It’s got “bomb” written all over it..
Yup, that’s Leonard H McCoy alright. Awesome.
Spock-Uhura doesn’t work for me. If any, TOS showed a subliminal erotic tension between Uhura and Kirk, although it (naturally) never shaped. I’ve always felt that Uhura and Spock respected and liked each other very much, but not with any romantic undertones. Uhura was a compassionate and very intelligent person, sensing and understanding Spock’s conflict. Spock respected Uhura as an officer and as a human being, and he was aware of her power of observation and her capacity to empathize but at the same time to challenge him, to make him leave his state of being unemotional which is a form of a safe retreat for him.
Urban is shaping to be good as McCoy but DeForest Kelly will always be McCoy to me.
I don’t mind them exploring a brief attraction/fascination between Uhura and Spock as long as they squash it fast for the following reasons:
1. That was Chapel’s only major defining feature. With only one of the three female leads appearing in the film I’m astounded that they gave this element away to Uhura – it’s not as if Uhura doesn’t have enough other facets to work with.
2. Uhura’s great strength was her professionalism and NOT getting mired down by romances. At the time it was to do with racism and opposition to interracial relationships but it totally worked in her favour when you look at how unprofessional and girly the ‘love interest’ officers appeared.
3. It is just more evidence of the lamentably sexist story-telling indemic in Trek. Include only one of the three women. Take the one woman you are going to use and add a ‘love interest’ sub plot. Good grief was it really necessary?
Having said all that, Uhura DID try to connect with Spock in Season one as people have said. Keep it minimal and I’ll be willing to let it pass. Make it so that every scene she’s in alludes to this attraction and I’ll be really annoyed. The women in Trek do NOT have to be defined by their men – grow up guys!
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Character arcs. Please, try to remember that these people need to change throughout the film and throughout their fictional lives. Some of you take the position that every personality and relationship is static, when it it far better entertainment to watch people go through change and see the events that produced that change.
Perhaps, McCoy works through his hypochondria and it mellows by the time your character ideals become set in stone?
Perhaps, Uhura goes through some changes as well? Kirk may be the catalyst for that.
Character arcs flesh a character out. It’s apparently too jarring for some of you to accept that. And tiresome.
Great clips! And I LOVE Urban as McCoy! He’s simply great!
Ive been saying it for months – the cast choice I was most worried about – has McCoy Nailed!!!
The more I hear about the new movie, the more I believe this Star Trek is not for me:
- Vulcan destroyed (!)
- old canon completly left out
- simple jokes and comedy
- bad use of language
- Uhura as Spock’s love interest
I can’t imagine how I ever could like this movie (Ok, I haven’t seen it so far. Perhaps I will, but I doubt it).
At least one thing seems good: Karl Urban as McCoy.
I love this movie so far. I want them to make at least eleven sequels and to originate at least three spin-offs and a reboot.
SUDDENLY
everyone loves Urban because his McCoy is spot on DeForest Kelley.
Where are all those who said “I don’t want Pine to emulate Shatner, it would be bad, horrible, blablabla” NOW?
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Hmm… I agree so far, that they should do some sequels.
In the next movie the crew should find out, that something is going wrong in their universe, travel forward in the 24th century and stop Nero from travelling back in time!
Don’t really think that McCoy is coming across as a hypochondriac. He could be laying on the medical knowledge just to justify his nervousness. He has done this in the past (TVH, Amok Time). As #244 mentioned, age mellows. There are things that concern me much less than years ago.
249. That’s interesting, I did have a lot of discussions here and elsewhere on how it’s “sooo much better that Pine will not imitate Shatner”, etc… But when Urban imitates Kelley, they are all happy.
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I am so ready to see this movie!
:D local news just did a short segment on the new movie…not only did they use it as a teaser before break, but they also called it “one of the most anticipated movies of the year” :DD
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..who was it around here that said these actors shouldn’t try and copy the originals?? In a pig’s eye!
Clearly Urban did his homework! Outstanding!
229. (Shatner_Fan_Prime)
Do we see Spock and Uhura *gulp* kiss? That would be so un-Vulcan of him…
Can’t wait to see Karl Urban!
I guess Spock Prime tells Spock-Pinto “Hey kid, date Uhura, she’s a keeper!”
“Sadly, I am confirmed in my belief that the staff of Trek Movie has been given some financial consideration by Paramount to promote this film to unsuspecting Trek fans.”
Wha?? Haha, come on… This site is called TrekMOVIE.com. The site’s entire existence is based on news about upcoming Star Trek movies. Maybe there should have been a story saying, “we know you came here to read news about the upcoming Star Trek movie, but we don’t want to promote it, so find the new clips yourself.”
All that said, I will admit I was thinking McCoy’s a little angrier here than he should be, but I’ll assume this is just him at his very worst. I feel like Urban’s McCoy will be fun, though.
Hmmm, great clip of Karl Urban as McCoy, not quite sure about some of the things he was harping on about, but can’t blame him, that’s the scriptwriters fault… When will Hollywood learn that exposure to vacuum doesn’t cause your blood to boil, or your eyes to pop out, or your head to explode for that matter (see Outland/Total Recall to see what I mean)…
#262 – “All that said, I will admit I was thinking McCoy’s a little angrier here than he should be, but I’ll assume this is just him at his very worst. I feel like Urban’s McCoy will be fun, though.”
McCoy at his crankiest! However I am optimistic that Urban’s portrayal will be spot on (based on the little I’ve seen so far).
#249 – “SUDDENLY
everyone loves Urban because his McCoy is spot on DeForest Kelley.
Where are all those who said “I don’t want Pine to emulate Shatner, it would be bad, horrible, blablabla” NOW?”
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Urban is channeling McCoy, not emulating DeForest Kelly… I don’t want any of the current cast to imitate their predecessors but I do expect them to do their characters justice…
McCoy scene: great! A bit too angry, maybe, but I could see/hear McCoy there.
But the bar scene…dear god, that’s awful! That deserves to be in a Michael Bay film! (Actually, it deserves to be on the editing room floor…) If that’s what passes for humor, and Uhura, and Kirk in this movie, then we’re in trouble.
I’m steeling myself for disappoint on May 8. It’s beginning to look like this film resembles “Star Trek” about as much as “Starship Troopers” resembled the Heinlein novel…
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Apparently it’s quite confirmed that the Beastie Boys song “Sabotage” is used in the film, either in the bar fight or when young Kirk is on his motorcycle. (Might not be much of a spoiler, but I don’t want people whining.)
I imagine I’m not the only one who hates this! The Beastie Boys have their place, but not in a Star Trek film!!! BARF! What the hell, J.J.?
Every time I get excited and hopeful about this film, something new comes out to shoot me down: I love the McCoy scene, then the Uhura/Kirk scene ruins it. Now this song…another sign that this isn’t going to feel like Star Trek anymore.
Oh well…it’s what we’ve got, but it’s sad to see so many MIchael Bay-like choices being made in this film. (Yeah, I detest Michael Bay’s “filmmaking” style, if you can call it that, and THIS is starting to reek of Bay.)
Wow.
Okay, first off, whoever mentioned “character arcs” has it nailed. Do any of us remain as we were when we were first-graders? Young adults? No, we change, adapt, and grow. Perhaps McCoy was, in the truest sense of the word, a “land-lubber,” and swore off any form of transportation that took him out of the atmosphere. In the intervening years, after having served on a starship and having his “molecules scrambled” numerous times and being THIS CLOSE to a hull breach/warp-core breach/etc., perhaps he’s mellowed a bit. Ya figure? So McCoy going ballistic over traveling on an orbital shuttle is not a huge stretch – and it’s probably not hypochondria, there are people who can’t travel in an airplane without closing the windowshades and taking LOTS of Dramamine. It may not be a condition caused by a germ or a virus, but it’s real just the same.
Besides, as he stated in the clip, he is a doctor, so he should know about these things.
My opinion: Karl Urban flat NAILED that scene.
OK- I still can’t judge the film until I see it, but as an Arizona hick I have no problem with the term. As a military service member, I understand getting guff from the townies and giving it right back. As for Uhura’s “potty mouth” I point you to the episode the Naked Time- some 1966 censor misses this line of dialogue:
SULU: “I’ll protect you fair maiden!”
UHURA: “Sorry, neither!”
I love that exchange, and I think it was one of the rare instances when Uhura, who was let’s face it usually Bridge scenery, gets to show she’s got a sense of humor and wit… and it wasn’t always clean. Hell, the woman danced naked to distract zealots later on!
Yea I cant say I am thrilled about the beastie boys it is a BARF moment.
So having watched these clips dozens of times now, I’m concerned that the script is over-written.
Example, the big cadet in the bar says “Maybe you can’t count, there are four of us and only one of you.” Wouldn’t it be better if he just said “Maybe you can’t count.”? It’s a moving picture I can see that Kirk is out numbered without the extraneous dialogue. It reminded me of the really really painful scripting of the SW prequels. Please don’t spoon feed the action to me. Also the “talented tongue” line is just bad and Pine looks embarrassed to be saying it. There are similar issues with McCoy’s diatribe.
Yes, yes, I know it’s nit picky, how ever these are the sort of things that will drag the movie down upon multiple viewings.
Also, did someone just discover the solar flare plug-in for Premiere? Where is all this reflected light coming from? The bar is dark, the shuttle is dark. McCoy is even complaining about not being near a window.
Still, I think the actors seem really great.
RTF!
Sabotage is a great song, I can’t wait to hear it blasting out. Star Trek has always lacked connections to the real world, been a little too sterile. The film will feel like star trek by virtue of the fact that it is Star Trek, the people, the places, the props, the technology, it’s all instantly recognisable. So what if it’s not the boring communist utopia TNG portrayed humanity as, perhaps that wasn’t reached over night.
I don’t know this McCoy everyone keeps talking about who is quiet and humble all of the time. McCoy yelled at Kirk, Spock and many others many times through the entire series and films. Remember in Naked Time when he was on the comm system trying to get someone in the Lab? Or In Friday’s Child when he yelled at Julie Newmar during the whole episode? Vintage McCoy.
McCoy (like Urban’s McCoy) was also always the one who would second guess any dangerous activities. In Wrath of Khan he didn’t want to beem down to the Genisis Cave, in the Voyage Home when Kirk and Spock talked about time travel he blurted out “Now wait just a damn minute” It wasn’t that he was necessarily afraid but he was the voice of reason that balanced Kirk’s foolhardiness. I think Urban/writer’s have him dead on. Besides a McCoy that was 10-15 years younger would obviously be more belligerent for the simple reason that he is younger, more idealistic, and full of energy. I’m quite certain well see McCoy’s tender, humorous side as well.
For God’s sake we’ve only seen half a scene! LOL
I also think its interesting that Urban seems to hold Kelley in the highest esteem and regard, in comparison to any of the other cast members.
I think Urban is going to do Kelley proud : )
#270
I have to agree with you on the solar flare plug in.
When I edited Star Trek Torch I had to watch the movie clips dozens of times and noticed those damn flares in almost every scene. Inside the ship, in space, on the planet, in a bar…
On the plus side I noticed that the lenses in the space shots also seem to have debris on them, which would make the space action seem much more realistic.
Can’t wait. : )
Hick. Yeah – it’s insulting. Mildly. But this is supposed to be gritty, real-world Trek, right? Here is a real woman in a real bar facing a pretty common situation: the inept, drunken attempted pick-up. It’s embarrassing, it’s a little bit frightening. Doesn’t matter that the dude is sort of hot — if this is supposed to be ‘realistic’, Uhura is feeling annoyed and worried and, probably, she’s trying to avoid a scene. She’s a Star Fleet cadet, a capable woman, the last thing she wants is to call for help from her (male) friends. So…she plays it off and, sure, she gets a little insulting. Pretty much the quickest way to get rid of a clueless lothario, if I do say so myself. Her other option is to call over the ‘guys’ and let the macho showdown begin. And when the ‘guys’ do notice Kirk get his drunk butt pretty well beaten. Uhura was likely trying to avoid just such an occurance.
Cut the gal a break, guys. Until you’ve had some slurring, hulking Romeo smelling of Jim Beam and delusion try to put his hands on you in a public place, you don’t get to judge any of what this girl says as she’s trying to diffuse the situation.
#259 …SaphronGirl…
As I said, I felt Spock’s PDA’s (public displays of affection) in the movie were out of character. I suppose one could argue that he had been traumatized by recent events, but still.
p.s. Can someone tell me what RTF means?
#270
It’s lens flare… a cinematography trick, and kinda’ new.
Reg: Dialogue. If you were to cut out the “there’s four of us and one of you” line, the dialogue would feel weighty on Kirk’s end.
Palooka: “Maybe you can’t count.”
Kirk: “Well get some more guys and then it will be a fair fight.”
Plus, who want’s to count when they’re trying to absorb a plot and characters. You want to keep the audience in the story as much as possible, and having them figure out how many guys are there detracts from that. (And yes, that LITTLE bit of addition can be a detractor, surprisingly).
Unfortunately, film dialogue can’t quite mirror real-life dialogue.
Hey Spockboy,
I just watched your ST Torch. Great job! Very very cool. Reminded me of the STVI teaser, which is my favorite ST trailer ever.
Nice work!
RTF!
@270…
The lens flares, and this special kind with the long horizontal lines, come from the anamorphic lenses they shot the film with, Mang.
While ILM has a set of digital versions of the anamorphic flare, most of them really happened during the filming.
@14…
Thanks, Remington Steele!
This might start a new storm…. but this whole thing about uhura is a bit rediculous….
I would like to posit that the bestiality comment isn’t all that bad, either… and lets examine that for a sec… isn’t bestiality the interrelations (sexually) of different species? Would that not make Spock the product of Bestiality? I dare say that if another alien society was discovered, people would, in general, have a problem with those who found them attractive sexually. Now I like Spock and all, but that doesn’t mean I condone bestiality… but I think this whole little train of thought proves how totally ubsurd this whole discussion is.
276. Jay – April 8, 2009
The first rule of film making is show don’t tell.
I don’t have to add the guys up, I can see them behind baldy.
It’s irrelevant how many of them there are all we need to know is our hero is outnumbered. It’s clumsy dialogue. I sort of see what you’re saying about Kirk’s follow up, but I don’t think it’s that great either. Would have changed it too. It’s a little stock.
Anyone want my opinion of “metachlorians.” OMG.
Remember the Farragut!
I think a bar fight would have been the best way to introduce Scotty in the new movie. Maybe in the next reboot, eh? :-)
282. I’m dead Jim – April 8, 2009
“I think a bar fight would have been the best way to introduce Scotty in the new movie.”
Dead on.
RTF!
somebody said it best up there in the 240’s, we are seeing these characters as they were when they were younger. Heaven forbid we see some development in this movie, i mean sure Bones is the exact same from when nancy crater/salt vampire tried to drain him to modifying a torpedo in TUC, and if anybody is wondering yeah thats sarcasm. Personally love the Urban scene just confirms how i believe he will be the best thing in the new movie besides nimoy for me, i agree with several others the bar scene is yuck, hated the beastiality line. The beastie boys are in this movie for one reason, they are huge trekkies! c’mon yall if you were part of a world famous singing group wouldn’t you wanna be in a star trek movie (or at least your work?) and i think the Spock/Uhura thing is a nice nod to TOS nimoy was supposed to kiss nichols in plato’s stepchildren but somebody’s ego wouldn’t allow it and it got changed so shatner made part of TV history
Ok, so, just as I always suspected, Karl Urban was an awesome choice for McCoy. I’m still not totally sold on Pine-Kirk, but he’s growing on me.
Perhaps the story *can* save the film from the (in my opinion) awful production design.
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Um, “hicks” are not a race. So calling someone a hick is not “racism.” For someone who loves to show off his supposed intellectualism, that was a rather DUMB comment to make.
286. SPB – April 8, 2009
“Um, “hicks” are not a race.”
LOL! Tell that to my Uncle Bobby.
RTF!
I’m okay (sorta) with the idea of a Spock-Uhura romance; they always had a special relationship in the show.
I’m okay with the Beastie Boys–just not in a Trek movie. Then again, I detested the songs in “First Contact.” Which is odd, since I’m a rocker at heart and I write science fiction while listening to the likes of Zeppelin, Judas Priest, etc. But such music is very out of place in Trek, and along with the other “ties to the present” we’re seeing, I really think we’re getting something like Starship Troopers as directed by Michael Bay. (Yeah, I’m sure that would be popular–more explosions and dumb lines per second than any other 10 films combined.)
I’m okay with Uhura insulting Kirk in the bar, but she was always a bit more classy than that. The reference to farm animals really is beneath her. Same for Kirk’s moronic line about a “talented tongue.” The moment I heard that, I pictured Ben Affleck saying it to someone…and there, it would fit! But not from Kirk.
I’m okay with the bar fight idea–in fact, I LOVE the idea of Kirk in a pitched bar fight over a woman. But from what we’ve seen, it’s got stupid dialogue that is out of character.
I hate to hammer on the “It’s like a Michael Bay movie” idea, but it really does seem to be channeling his sense of filmmaking: lots of noise, lots of explosions, emotions presented in moronic soundbites, one-liners that Ah-nold and Stallone would have scoffed at, and a rocking soundtrack that takes the viewers out of the movie completely.
I enjoyed Starship Troopers, and even parts of Armageddon, so I’ll probably enjoy this film on that level. But the bar scene alone is enough to remove this film from the “compare to TWOK” category. At best, it can be compared to “First Contact.”
#275
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See #280. All those abbreviations – must be an obsession..:)
289. Iowagirl – April 8, 2009
“See #280. All those abbreviations – must be an obsession..:)
ROTFLMAO!
242:
Paul:
“Uhura’s great strength was her professionalism and NOT getting mired down by romances. At the time it was to do with racism and opposition to interracial relationships but it totally worked in her favour when you look at how unprofessional and girly the ‘love interest’ officers appeared.”
That’s almost sexist. Apart from the fact the Uhura, being a fictitious character, really had no choice in the matter, what you are saying is that, in an enlightened society, a woman is “professional” when she sticks to her job and avoids getting mired in relationships.
If it were real life, Uhura would have downtime and a life outside of the Bridge. Don’t forget how she was attracted to the fake “crewman” in “Man Trap.” I think Uhura’s character is strong enough to do the job and have a relationship at the same time, just like many people do the world over.
289. Iowagirl – April 8, 2009
#275
– p.s. Can someone tell me what RTF means? -
See #280. All those abbreviations – must be an obsession..:)
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I thought “RTF” stood for “rag-tag fugitive fleet.” I guess I spent too much time on Battlestar message boards… ;)
288. Paul B. – April 8, 2009
I hate to hammer on the “It’s like a Michael Bay movie” idea, but it really does seem to be channeling his sense of filmmaking: lots of noise, lots of explosions, emotions presented in moronic soundbites, one-liners that Ah-nold and Stallone would have scoffed at, and a rocking soundtrack that takes the viewers out of the movie completely.
What? That rocking soundtrack was only for one of the television spots….to grab the attention of yet another demographic. They’re covering all their bases here and doing a damn fine job of it.
The Trailers are meant to excite and get your attention. They’re doing just that…although I don’t see very much Michael Bay style in these commercials, yes…they’re edited together quickly…but the scenes don’t look like his work, which is so damned close and choppy that you can’t figure out what the hell is happening. The shots I’ve seen in these trailers look far more dynamic than any of the previous Trek Films.
289: Paul:
Star Trek always was full of references to “Earth History”… classical music, literature, it was like a liberal arts professors wet dream of a society were “pop culture”, as graphic novels, pulp fiction, rock music” were overcome and only the “high-class” traditional arts survived. I think a little bit of rock and roll will not harm anyone and has nothing to do with Michael Bay.
And OF COURSE Kirk is a moron in the Bar scene. He is a stone-drunk, uneducated, sex-driven small town adolescent boy, not even a man. Of course he is a moron. Most people are in this age. Most of them grow up and start to detest such behaviour. Kirk will.
292. Paul B. – April 8, 2009
“I spent too much time on Battlestar message boards… ;)”
Ahh, the new Galactica. Now that was a brilliantly scripted show. I didn’t always care for the stories but the words were dead on.
“Less is more.”
“It’s not what you put in, it’s what you leave out.”
I’m trying to think of anymore old but true film making axioms.
RTF!
“Well get some more guys and then it’ll be an even fight”
I love that line.
“relax cupcake, it was a joke”
That one too.
#291 – Tell them AJ!
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Spock is young. He’s half human. I say more power to him if they give him a little romantic spark here and there. As long as it doesn’t derail the rest of what is going on and he allows his logical side to question it I don’t see a problem with it.
And yeah, one more time, Urban looks and sounds trektacular! Fun dialog there, thanks to the writers for knowing their Bones!
There’s no way ‘Sabotage’ will bother me any more than ‘Magic Carpet Ride’ or – god it’s making me shudder just thinking about it – ‘Oobie Doobie’. Shall I even bring up ‘A British Tar’?
293 – I’m not referring to the music in the commercials; I’m referring to the use of the Beastie Boys “Sabotage” in the movie.
And the Michael Bay-style stuff isn’t just in the trailers. Many of the reviews and Twitters about the movie say that it’s fast, frenetic, lots of camera movement, VERY LOUD ALL THE TIME, and so forth. THAT is very much Michael Bay, and again, it has nothing to do with the trailers.
294 – One reason Trek referenced classical music and the like is because we’ve already seen that such music has survived for centuries, so it’s a good bet it’ll last into the future. But will the 23rd century be listening to Nirvana? Beastie Boys? The next American Idol? MAYBE, but it’s less likely. Although Zeppelin is still popular, I know plenty of under-20s who won’t listen to anything older than they are, so it’s reasonable to think that most 20th century music won’t last the next 300 years. (I hope it does, though–I’d love to see Spock tripping to “Sgt. Pepper.”)
If they were to use rock music that had already lasted 30 or 40 years, I’d be more willing to buy it. But “Sabotage” is only 15 years old, and I haven’t heard it on the radio in at least a decade. No big deal–I hate the idea of any rock song in Trek, to be honest, but that’s my opinion. My personal taste. It’s not a sign of the apocalypse, just a personal preference.
And I’ll grant you your point about the bar-Kirk being young, drunk, stupid…but I still, PERSONALLY, do not think that either Kirk or Uhura is in character there. Opinion, that’s all.
295 – BSG was SOMETIMES brilliantly scripted. At other times, I think it was about as bad as bad TV can get. Still, on the whole it was great.
As for “old but true film making axioms,” I guess it’s time to admit something: I hate modern filmmaking! I hate zooming, swooping cameras (especially when they race through machinery or pipes to show us a connection or just to make us seasick), and I hate modern editing (quick, let’s cut as fast and frantically as possible! again, to make us seasick)… I don’t think old-time filmmaking has anything to do with this Trek; Abrams and pals are very much of the modern school.
300. sean – April 8, 2009
There’s no way ‘Sabotage’ will bother me any more than ‘Magic Carpet Ride’ or – god it’s making me shudder just thinking about it – ‘Oobie Doobie’. Shall I even bring up ‘A British Tar’?
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I think I just threw up in my mouth a little…three times!
All of those were just atrocious, shoved into the movie to feel “hip” but coming across like a grandpa’s attempts to rap. I’d almost managed to forget about “Oobie Doobie.” Thanks so much for bringing back that painful memory! ;)
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270. 750 Mang – April 8, 2009
So having watched these clips dozens of times now, I’m concerned that the script is over-written.
Example, the big cadet in the bar says “Maybe you can’t count, there are four of us and only one of you.” Wouldn’t it be better if he just said “Maybe you can’t count.”? It’s a moving picture I can see that Kirk is out numbered without the extraneous dialogue.
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Actually, I don’t find it obvious at all that he’s not “alone” (obviously there are others in the bar, but you don’t know whether they’re with him), especially given that you’re focusing on him and not the guys behind him. I mean, yeah, the second time through, when I knew what I was trying to look for I saw them, but I most definitely don’t think it was obvious enough that one can assume that people watching the movie knew Kirk was outnumbered.
Even the “can’t you count?” line would assume you knew it was more than one vs. one – something which, again, isn’t obvious I don’t think.
#302
I’m sorry Paul, I hate inflicting that pain on anyone! :)
226. mr. mugato – April 7, 2009
Very obviously a pile of horse dung.
No wonder Paramount is throwing fits.
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Paramount has a very odd way of “throwing fits” – such as apparently green-lighting a sequel.
#306
Paramount must bleeding money, what with all these independent reviewers they’ve had to pay to write glowing reviews! ;)
304. Josh – April 8, 2009
“I most definitely don’t think it was obvious enough”
He’s in a bar, surrounded by cadets in Red Jumpsuits. Maybe you couldn’t tell in the 45 second clip (I clearly see on angry dudes behind bald guy) but surely you will be able to tell Kirk is in hostile territory when you see the whole scene. At least I hope so.
RTF!
270. “So having watched these clips dozens of times now, I’m concerned that the script is over-written.
Example, the big cadet in the bar says “Maybe you can’t count, there are four of us and only one of you.” Wouldn’t it be better if he just said “Maybe you can’t count.”? It’s a moving picture I can see that Kirk is out numbered without the extraneous dialogue. ”
I think you’re over-thinking it a bit. Seems to me, the purpose of the line is simply to set up Kirk’s cocky response that they better go get some more guys to make it even. It’s just a set up to give Kirk a Kirk-like moment, nothing wrong with that.
309. Star Trackie – April 8, 2009
“I think you’re over-thinking it a bit. Seems to me, the purpose of the line is simply to set up Kirk’s cocky response that they better go get some more guys to make it even. It’s just a set up to give Kirk a Kirk-like moment, nothing wrong with that.”
It’s unfortunate that the same goal couldn’t be accomplished without stock dialogue. I miss Star Trek’s witty banter.
RTF!
Thank goodness someone has realized that after the musical advances of the late 20th century, people in the future won’t just sit around listening to Gilbert & Sullivan and learning to play trombone.
Also, I hope Uhura has even nastier things to say about McCoy’s redneck past at U. Miss.
re 307
yeah.
it also tragic to see that the most negative comments are on trekmovie. on every other, fans and non fans alike cant wait to see the movie
Hey I should at least throw the dog a bone… I laughed out loud at the cupcake line.
RTF!
#108—”…it is serious fan concern for a show that always set itself to a higher standard.”
Not so high as to suggest that people no longer harbor predjudices and use perjorative terms to describe people of different backgrounds. Such things are still depicted as commonplace in both the 23rd and 24th Centuries.
It is clear that Kirk is aware that bigotry exists.
“Leave any bigotry in your quarters. There’s no room for it on the bridge. Do I make myself clear?”
“Spoonheads”, “cardies”—these are also perjorative terms with “racial” connotations.
Sometimes, I think there is quite a bit of revisionism in how the “higher standards” of the Star Trek Universe are perceived, as opposed to what is actually depicted onscreen.
Human beings never stop *being* human.
#227—”RD – confirmed? Please. You’re holding on to quite a few blind beliefs.”
Don’t bother.
RD has a history of these kinds of posts. Everyone is a liar or conspirator, etc., etc.
And now Paramount is “throwing fits”? WTF?
My favorite is the suggestion that TM (and several posters here) are all on Paramount’s payroll!
He likes that one alot.
#304, 309.
Excellent point on both fronts.
You should SHOW instead of TELL, but the SHOWING must be absolutely clear, and not take the audience outside of the story. A little extra weight to the dialogue is fine, as long as it gets the point across … which in this case is to showcase Kirk’s cockiness.
310. 750 Mang – April 8, 2009
Ironic to criticized us for over-writing…. in post… after post… after post… after post… and I’m sure here comes another!
316. Jay – April 8, 2009
How is the guy saying “there are four of us and only one of you” giving us any more important information than simply, “you’re out numbered?”
Again when you see the entirety of the scene, it’s clear Kirk is at a Starfleet bar. He’s in the minority and he’s going to stir up the shit. The dialogue is superfluous. It’s troubling that it made it all the way to the shooting script.
Then again, there was a Writer’s Strike going when the movie was filming. It could be that the writers wanted to fix some of this but couldn’t. Maybe Bob Orci can fill us in.
I still would have chopped it in editing. Extraneous info.
RTF!
317. boborci – April 8, 2009
LOL!
Yes! “Post after post.” Not, “Don’t you see the 15 posts you already made in this thread on Trekmovie.com.”
“Post after post”, clear, concise, to the point. Nice work.
RTF!
“317. 750 Mang – April 8, 2009
316. Jay – April 8, 2009
How is the guy saying “there are four of us and only one of you” giving us any more important information than simply, “you’re out numbered?””
Because the “maybe if you grab some more guys, then it’ll be an even fight line” while I guess it might still marginally work, doesn’t work as well, because we wouldn’t necessarily know HOW outnumbered he was (was it 2 to 1? 4 to 1? 10 to 1? Kirk’s line has different connotations for each of those counts).
“Again when you see the entirety of the scene, it’s clear Kirk is at a Starfleet bar.”
Unless you’ve seen more than I have, I’m not sure it’s clear that he’s at a “Starfleet bar” at all. Yes, he’s at a bar, and it has quite a few Starfleet people there, but it’s not clear that it’s a “Starfleet” bar per se.
Also, you’re basically assuming that Kirk is going to take on every friggen cadet in the bar (or that all the cadets are going to/want to take him on). Especially since I’m sure there are more than 4 other people at the bar, yet that’s all the guy threatens Kirk with. If he said “You realize you’re in a bar full of starfleet cadets” or something of the sort, then what you’re trying to argue might make more sense, but I’m not sure it does.
“Then again, there was a Writer’s Strike going when the movie was filming. It could be that the writers wanted to fix some of this but couldn’t. Maybe Bob Orci can fill us in.”
It’s one friggen line!
Boborci,
I haven’t heard this whole ‘hick’ usage issue raised anywhere else, in any other Trek-related forums.
Personally, I liked that scene. It showed a cocky, arrogant punk with a lot of intelligence.
And it show he has a pair, facing down 4 rather large guys in a bar.
His drunken state also reflects TOS, what with Kirk getting drunk on saurian brandy when he was split in tow by the Transporter.
As for ‘hick’ being offensive, should I be up in arms whenever I’m called a Limey?
Uhura’s statement was intended as a conversation opener as much as a putdown. Acknowledging his intelligence while putting him in his place.
It may be the 23rd Century, but it’s still the real world. The dialogue rings true to me.
I think both scenes are SPOT ON.
That is James Kirk to a T. I should know; after all, I am his unknown son.
Seriously, let us not forget that the Kirk we’ve known was really never hesitant to fight, nor was he lacking for confident (almost cocky) verbal challenges.
The Kirk in the bar scene is a young pre-academy Kirk, who is obviously full of “piss and vineger” as it were. It fits him to a Tiberius.
And the scene with Bones on the shuttle is nailed, not only by Urban, but by Pine as well. Pine said he did not mimic Shatner, but I see some of the same eyebrowed expressions on Pine that Shatner had when playing Kirk.
I cannot wait to see this movie.
Bob Orci, ALL of my friends who are fans cannot wait to see this movie; they have explicitly said so. NONE of my friends who are Trek fans have expressed some of the ridiculously negative and frankly downright goofy rants that we have seen on here. I suspect that the vast majority of Trek fans also await this movie with the same great anticipation that my friends and I have, and from what we’re hearing, you and your comrades have popped it out of the park.
Don’t let ‘em get you down. This was a great and difficult task that you took on; I applaud you for it.
Warp speed, Mr. Orci, on to the second star on the right.
boborci,
be prepared to have every line of dialogue examined like a judge examining the law before rendering a verdict ;-)
BTW, Loved the McCoy scene !!!!
320. Josh – April 8, 2009
“It’s one friggen line!”
All true. However, it’s in the figgen sneak preview. That means the fil makers must think it’s is a good representation of the movie. In that case, a couple of clunky lines in a 45 second scene might be indicative of the rest of the movie.
I hope not.
RTF!
Note: This post has been edited for excessive words.
322 – Well said.
#321—Agreed, and I find it amusing that some fans think that Star Trek has developed such a high standard that it suggests no bigotry exists in the 23rd and 24th Centuries.
Even Roddenberry was guilty of this. While criticising the suggestion that bigotry would still exist in TUC, he also lists “Balance Of Terror” (an episode which clearly establishes that it has not been erased from the arsenal of human behavior) as one of his top-ten favorite episodes. Curious.
Despite all my concerns and fears for the new movie…
I like that bar scene. A young and drunken Kirk could have done that (starting a bar fight). But if I remember correctly,
in TOS it was allways the women who tried to seduce Kirk (maybe a few exceptions, like the poor androidgirl)!!!
219. boborci – April 7, 2009
Please, let’s not call anyone or anything a beast. How about ‘animal-american.’
Lol, that’s very inclusive of you, Bob! And although the conservatives like to insinuate it when discussing marriage equality, no one’s in a hurry to marry their animal-American. And three cheers for Iowa’s Supreme Court. Woot!
#324—”a couple of clunky lines in a 45 second scene might be indicative of the rest of the movie.”
They don’t come off as “clunky” at all to me. I can think of some poorly written scenes in Star Trek movies—but this isn’t one of them.
wow, the TM team is on the payroll?
bob, where are my checks!
Pine plays shatnerian. I´ll go to see the movie in the cinema.
This discussion is very sad. You should all get laid.
“332. Star Trek? okkkkkaaaay… – April 8, 2009
This discussion is very sad. You should all get laid.”
Does that include you, since you posted here too?
These scenes are amazing, I especially love the McCoy scene, so well written and definetly McCoy!! Can’t watch the Kirk one though, glad I’m not in the US sometimes but dont half feel annoyed!
Although I don’t understand:
a) the Michael Bay comments, since when has a fast paced action film been only trumpted by a single director, if anyone watched Pearl Harbour they’ll know that Bay can’t do character pieces properly, unlike this McCoy scene,
and b) the debate about the guy additionally saying “there are four of us and one of you”…have none of you actually been in a fight before…people say that, get real yea? I understand complaining about over-scripting, but complaining for the sake of complaining is just plain ridculous! I have to wonder what the beef is with some of you guys!
why dwell on the barfight scene? Kirk’s drunk, so it’s hardly a reflection on “Captain Kirk.”
the more important of the two clips is the “disease and danger” line, which has to rank up with, if not exceed, the greatest McCoy rants of all time. I like the fact that he’s speaking quickly, whining almost, and they’re talking over each other initially. The whole thing just feels naturalistic and human.
One of things I’ve noticed in deconstructing the Shoulder Pad Generation of Trek is that each line of dialog feels like they cut camera, relit the actor and the actor enunciated clearly for the hard of hearing.
249
Well not to start a war but I’ve been saying that all along. It just makes sense to kind of play the character. Not play growly dude.
Wasn’t it Gary Mitchell who reminded Kirk how serious he was in the academy? “Serious?….I was positively grim”
This thread is starting to give me a headache. These are a couple clips from a long movie many people here haven’t even seen yet and some of you are assuming from these short clips that the whole script, along with the characters, are overdone.
See the (whole) movie first, then in May pick this up again (if you must), I found this to be entertaining and enjoyable. Afterward, I said “That was great. Whoa, that’s right, what I just watched was Star Trek”. The guys are on the right track here. Also worth mentioning, if some of these characters (Uhura, McCoy, etc.) aren’t the kind people you know them to be and are doing things “out of character”, well remember this is before we knew them – people can change over time, no matter who they are or how old they are.
people aren’t discussing it as much, but the clip of Spock asking Kirk/Scotty how they got on board is also fraktastic…
… you can hear the chirping and ringing and buzzing of the TOS bridge sounds. I got goosebumps.
#338 “you can hear the chirping and ringing and buzzing of the TOS bridge sounds. I got goosebumps”
Call me naive, but now I am a happy man ;)
300 sean
“There’s no way ‘Sabotage’ will bother me any more than ‘Magic Carpet Ride’ or – god it’s making me shudder just thinking about it – ‘Oobie Doobie’. Shall I even bring up ‘A British Tar’?”
Dude, at least it aint “Yub yub”
Just as a point of interest, Bones’s fears about their blood boiling in a vacuum are at least unfounded paranoia. http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/970603.html
Whether you’d want decompression to happen is another matter.
Hicks, rednecks, whatever – you’re all just a bunch of rebellious colonials to some of us! ;-P
340. Valar1 – April 8, 2009
“Dude, at least it aint “Yub yub”
Good point. What was he thinking?
RTF!
I feel like I’ve seen the movie already with all the clips that have been released. Hurry up May 8th before they spill it all!!
#300 “Shall I even bring up ‘A British Tar’?”
On the dictionary, look up “cheesy”. Or “lame”.
Anyone who believes it’s “canon” that James T. Kirk put the safety of his Rigellian Fever-afflicted crew second to chasing robot tail on Holberg 917 with Johannes Brahms shouldn’t have a problem with a younger version of him acting like this.
#342—”Hicks, rednecks, whatever – you’re all just a bunch of rebellious colonials to some of us! ;-P”
Now *that* was funny.
Who says Brits have no sense of humor?
:)
OK, OK! No more scenes, no more tidbits, no more minor or majoe spoilers, nothing to give away any more of the story. Play the hell out of the trailers but I don’t want to see any more new stuff. The next new thing I want to see is the film in its entirety. If I was stronger, I wouldn’t be here at this site. God, help me! I can’t stop…
Wow, I love both clips! Urban does great as McCoy and I like Pine and Saldana sparring… Good stuff! I more month!
341: “Just as a point of interest, Bones’s fears about their blood boiling in a vacuum are at least unfounded paranoia.”
I’m sure we’ll hear something like “Humans only use 10% of their brains” or seeing people outrun explosions.
Who has time for technical research when there’s STUFFA BLOW UP!?
Yes, I’m still excited for the movie, but I have no illusions…
I’d have wished that Kirk Thatcher’s “I Hate You” was on the bar jukebox. ;)
#350 Well, it’s actually the nitrogen that starts to boil out, the bends, I guess? Maybe he’s talking about the depressurization itself. He’s just a nervous talker. We’ve seen Bones do this (*in canon*) a few times before. Classic examples include TWOK, where he contemplates what he can do for Mr. Scott after Spock asks him the engineers’ condition, or in COTEOF with his “Do you know what you just did?”, or as he walks along with Data in TNG.
As to science advice, O&K had folks from JPL on board. So they had references available when needed. I wish though, as you might, that they’d have brought the Okudas on board to give them a script review and make the sort of helpful preventing-inconsistency points. That’s my only disappointment with Bad Robot, in not bringing certain people on board who have the wealth of knowledge and experience with budgets and deadlines like the Okudas and Rick Sternbach. Maybe for the sequels….
Oh, and Anthony, I’m sure “the check is in the mail” ;)
Magic Carpet Ride and Ooby Doobie were at least played by Cochrane in 2063… it is stupid, but not as stupid as seeing someone in the 2260s playing a song from the 1990s. Thousands of bands, millions of songs played alone in the last 50 years on one single planet. What do you think how broad that range will be in 250 years with dozens of different cultures in your daily life?
And do I need to mention that 300 year old car Kirk drives of a cliff. Did you steal carriages from 1750 in your youth? ;-)
Because that’s exactly the difference between a car and what they have in the 23rd century.
Where is this clip of old Spock and Kirk that I’ve been hearing about?
How about this…
CADET
You’re out numbered.
(several cadets standing with him)
KIRK
(patting the cadet on the cheek)
Right…
And all hell breaks loose.
It would get the same point across, and it’s not just a riff on “Oh yeah? You and how many of your friends?” How often do we seen that?
It would also be a call back to Kirk meeting Chang in STVI.
I just bought my tickets for the midnight showing! Should be a good time.
RTF!
#352 “it is stupid, but not as stupid as seeing someone in the 2260s playing a song from the 1990s.”
Remember World War III. When a war spreads, culture, arts and entertainment stops. And when the war ends, maybe there is the need to go back for some evergreen.
“And do I need to mention that 300 year old car Kirk drives of a cliff. Did you steal carriages from 1750 in your youth? ;-)”
Picard and the rest of the crew have a great fun on the holodeck with antiques.
I definitely like Pines look when he says “Well, not only”
350: “Maybe he’s talking about the depressurization itself.”
What happens in a vacuum is that your blood pressure drops, often causing rapid unconsciousness. If you remain conscious, you’re still operating at diminished oxygen levels and you’ll only remain awake for 20-30 seconds. So far, evidence doesn’t seem to support the bends, but it’s not like we’ve had lots of experience with humans and hard vacuum.
The moisture on your skin will simultaneously freeze and boil, but not due to anything “cold,” but to the pressure drop (and not enough to cause lasting damage). Space isn’t cold, actually, that’s a myth. Your lungs might rupture if you attempt to hold your breath. Your colon may evacuate anything that happens to be there (ew).
2001: A Space Odyssey actually got it mostly right, with Dave’s leap into the Discovery.
hey i know what stanky means by it “just not seeming like star trek”; gone is the banal pandering to faux intellect and the artifice of weak, techobabblesque plotting to create fake drama from vapid characterization that we been seeing since the late 70’s.
it does feel fun and sexy, like TOS did though.
sadly, when arrogant nerds start defending the rights of hicks and challenging a woman’s right to insult a drunk at a bar, i fear the picard years of PC hypocrisy will be unfortunately be a long time in passing.
358: “sadly, when arrogant nerds start defending the rights of hicks and challenging a woman’s right to insult a drunk at a bar, i fear the picard years of PC hypocrisy will be unfortunately be a long time in passing.”
I have no problem at all with Uhura insulting Kirk at a bar. What I found disappointing is that she did it with all the sophistication of a 13-year-old.
She should have said something that didn’t quite sound like an insult at first, and then Kirk thinks about it for a sec, then realizes she zinged him. But ah well, what do I know?
I don’t mind “Sabotage” being played on the jukebox.
The ‘Beastie Boys’ are admitted fans of original Trek. Good for them that they should get a track included in the film.
I can’t believe this is even an issue for anyone…oh wait—I forgot where I was for a moment!
354. (750 Mang)
Your suggestion is simple, but there’s no lyricism there. Dialogue needs to read like a haiku. I tend to agree with your sentiment (being a writer, myself). I wouldn’t have minded something along the lines of:
CADET:
We’ve got ya, four-to-one.
KIRK:
Get four more, then the odds’ll be even.
But I can’t complain. Orci and Kurtzman did a great job with McCoy’s rant (”I don’t need a doctor, dammit, I am a doctor!” Perfect). Although, I must admit I found Uhura to be a little on the crude side. Admittedly, she was defending herself, but you can insult a man’s sexual proclivities without stating it so… outright. ;)
359. (Chris Basken)
//She should have said something that didn’t quite sound like an insult at first, and then Kirk thinks about it for a sec, then realizes she zinged him. But ah well, what do I know?//
Exactly! I would have loved a drunken “baroo?” expression from Kirk. ;)
359 “I have no problem at all with Uhura insulting Kirk at a bar. What I found disappointing is that she did it with all the sophistication of a 13-year-old.”
As SaphronGirl said, EXACTLY! That’s the problem; not that she insults him, but that it’s so juvenile. Uhura was classy, sassy, tough–they got 2 out of 3 right. (And if Meat Loaf’s right, that ain’t bad.)
BTW, in the midst of my complaints about the bar scene and music, I want to point out that I LOVE the McCoy scene! Urban is right on, and while nobody will ever compare to DeForrest Kelley, at least I have hope that Bones will continue to be my favorite character.
I just wanted to balance my gripes with some praise…
Not a huge fan of the Beastie Boys myself, but surely some culture survived to the 23rd – 24th centuries besides Shakespere and and Mozart?
This is simply cause this is probably one of the few time Trek has had the spare money to pay for the licenseing for stuff that wasn’t public domain! :D
Besides, weren’t there a few times on Voyager where Tom was working on his holo-Chevy and listening to 50’s rock ‘n roll?
Another thing to ponder: Can most people today tell the difference between something Beethoven wrote near the start of his career and the end, just by listening to it? Maybe future people will be like that; everything from Bob Dylan to Tupac will be lumped together as “20th century oldies”.
@ 358 – Here here, this feels more like TOS then TNG did, irregardless of whether or not if feels like “trek”… even tho I feel it does!
–they shouldve played Britney Spears’ ‘Womanizer’ song at the bar during the scene…unlike some mindless Beastie Boys song Britney’s ‘Womanizer’ single would’ve had a resonating importance to the scene… yet again, when dealing with real songs, the suits phone it in…
dear poor b’orci, i hope your taking notes as there are some seriously promising screenwriters around here that have pretty much out-written your over-writing and have run rings around your lame attempts at dialog. good thing you still can still sell your body to the hicks when j.j. hires them all for the sequel.
take heart, old friend. you guys were doomed to fail with ed wood-like classic screenplays such as nemesis and insurrection to compete with.
#362, #369
yeah, i suppose she could’ve said “most shallow man! thou worms-meat in respect of a good piece of flesh indeed!” in an obscure andorian dialect to prove how bright and unattainable she was. when girls say that to me i always walk away highly ashamed.
but then again, when i girl mentions sex with animals to me in any context, i consider a freudian flirt up and my interest is peaked.
WTF is it with all the damn Trek haters invading this site since the Sydney premiere?
Cant watch clip 1 from outside the US yeah thanks MTV..
#370—What Trek haters?
- Now.. (-finally!!! ….) this movie looks like a cool sci-fi movie….but i still hate those stupid new b. uniforms…..i like straight ways…
#370 Mate it’s been since long before then, but yeah, it is p*ssing me off also..
no trek haters on this site. feral nerds filled with contempt whose minds have decomposed from black fungus basement-rot, perhaps, but true fans, each and every one of them.
hey has anyone noticed that pine says “morphology” exactly the same way rutger hauer says it in blade runner? i kept waiting for him to add “incept dates” too the list.
That clip of Urban and Pine is the best – I am hoping that Kirk, Spock and McCoy are the ‘power’ three like they always have been, because I can tell right now that Urban’s McCoy is going to rock
368. (pock speared)
If you’re referring to me (among others), my genuine thanks. Screenwriting is no simple task, so I’m not going to nitpick what Bob has done. Judging by the early reviews, it seems that he and Alex have crafted a cohesive plot sprinkled with characterization almost unheard of in an action/sci-fi film, so that deserves applause. I can handle some slightly clunky dialogue here and there.
#375 and others -
Wowzers. Watch your mouths,. You can attack a perspective or refute a proposition, but no personal attacks or offensive stereotyping is needed against people who may take Star Trek philosophy or writing or characters seriously… We have learned to have high standards, after the literary master of TNG. So name calling or personal attacks ain’t appropriate, whether you like the movie or not. Actually, the people who have concerns seem to be the ones keeping on track with their comments… hm. weird, eh?
I like what I’m seeing. Pine just oozes Kirkness in that bar scene.
One of my sheep was acting kind of down so I took her to a pet pschologist.
Come to find out it wasn’t because of any intimacy problems that we have, because she said she liked it. Naw, it was because one of the other sheep had gotten jealous that I was showing her more attention. They get that way.
So go easy on the hick prejudice, you city folk, because everyone out here in the country is down with the motto, “What happens in the barnyard STAYS in the barnyard.
It’s just not cool to judge other people. And farm animals.
Please can somone post a link to the “love” snippet. I can’t seem to find it in the north of England
#378 pinky
“…after the literary master of TNG”?
no attack intended, but what does that mean? just curious.
#380
how do you know she wasn’t sleeping with the pet psychologist?
The McCoy clip is great!
#383
Because that would just be BAAAAAAAD . . . .
There is no truth that the motto of Iowa is:
“Iowa . . . Where men are REAL men, and the sheep run scared.”
ahhhh so that’s why Spock and Kirk are REALLY fighting on the bridge….over Uhura!
369: “yeah, i suppose she could’ve said “most shallow man! thou worms-meat in respect of a good piece of flesh indeed!” in an obscure andorian dialect to prove how bright and unattainable she was. when girls say that to me i always walk away highly ashamed.”
Oh she could have hocked a loogie on his shirt and said “that’s how they say ‘hello’ on Beetzlebrax XII.”
Seriously, I’m not looking for opera or shakespeare. Just something above a 6th grade “NO YOU STUPID!” level of exchange.
#382 -
actually, that’s a typo, I meant: “literary mastery of TNG”. It means the dialogue was precise and crisp, not a word was wasted, the ideas were grand, the connections to historical works were insightful. It just had such a grandeur to its construction. It makes you expect a lot from Star Trek when you grow up with that, I feel
almost thought I saw a little Shat there with the slap on the face and grin at the end of the clip…good for a chuckle…
#388
TNG was great, but you must have missed quite a few episodes. They were no strangers to flat dialog or bad jokes. I still have nightmares about Klingon pimples.
#387
“Seriously, I’m not looking for opera or shakespeare. Just something above a 6th grade “NO YOU STUPID!” level of exchange.”
Go to a bar and you’re likely to hear more exchanges on that level than any other.
too bad the guy in the bar wasn’t…
what does mtv have against canada :(
Finnegan!
I don’t know about you guys, but most people I know with who’ve studied at college/university level would be able to make an eductated guess about what “xenolinguistics” means, and that it, like _all_ linguistics, would have to do with phonology, morphology and syntax. People are supposed to be a lot smarter in the future, according to canon, no?
Uhura shouldn’t be all that impressed, especially since Kirk is accentuating each word as if it were totally foreign to him, especially “syntax” … it sound like he’s saying “Hot dog – a SASUAGE embedded in BREAD and seasoned with KETCH-UP and MUSTERRRD…”
Oh, and I just realized… there’s a remote possibility they’ve included the Beastie Boys tune only to show that Kirk can pronounce the title properly in this reality….
#388 pinky
ok, thanks, that makes sense. patrick stewart certainly added a certain level of diction and the rest of the cast always read things cleanly as well.
and although i understand your point, it was to me an annoying affection that continued right through to janeway as some sort of “futurespeak” that was as pretentious and bland as the sets and writing became.
but i’m just a hysterical “i said gimme the brandy!” type of guy who prefers some over-emoting in these characters. it’s a juxtaposition sort of thing. the swagger in kirks’ voice makes the vulcan sound smarter and funnier when he remains obama-cool in HIS diction, and also gave bone’s southern jabs the wisdom of humanity. i believe we are getting back to some of that in the new film, and i just love it.
I could watch that McCoy clip repeatedly all day long, lol
Karl Urban is AWESOME
#53 cagmar
“But thank goodness if that brief mention of the toilet by McCoy is the only feces-related joke in the movie! It wasn’t offensive at all.”
I think it is funny that you are worried about further feces-related jokes after viewing a scene that contains no jokes, no feces, and no mention of a toilet.
New 3rd clip featuring Spock, Kirk and Scotty!
http://www.collider.com/entertainment/news/article.asp/aid/11518/tcid/1
391: “Go to a bar and you’re likely to hear more exchanges on that level than any other.”
But probably not from a top-of-her-class xenolinguist.
401. Aaron
Awesome clip! I love all the bridge sounds.
#390
Yeah, it could be argued that TNG still holds the trophy for puerile Trek humor with lines like Data’s “have you noticed how your boobs have firmed up?”
#400, I take it you’ve never seen other Orci/Kurtzman work? Transformers (robots peeing on each other)? Fringe (oop. “What happened?” I just pissed myself)? The Island (tracking bots that painfully escape from the penis during urination – and which we get to watch)?
The list goes on! I was very concerned for Star Trek and you should be too if you did your homework, especially when JJ started talking about someone “hiding in the toilet” in one of his earlier interviews.
Fortunately, it has turned out okay so far. Besides the bestiality remarks, which in case you’re not sure (since the writers seem to think we need every word defined for us) would involve Kirk inserting ………. :P
361. SaphronGirl – April 8, 2009
“Your suggestion is simple, but there’s no lyricism there. Dialogue needs to read like a haiku. I tend to agree with your sentiment (being a writer, myself). I wouldn’t have minded something along the lines of:
CADET:
We’ve got ya, four-to-one.
KIRK:
Get four more, then the odds’ll be even. ”
I like it. Less cliche. Less stock.
If you and I in an afternoon can come up with different and possibly better ways of expressing the same sentiment, then I think the actual writers could have done so too.
I could be old fashioned. But the line in the movie IS just a riff on “you and how many of your friends”. I think for the amount of time allotted to write this movie and certainly the amount of money paid for the script, it could be better. By a long shot.
My biggest question is did they think this was good dialogue? Adequate is not enough. Fix it. Think about it. Re-write it. If it doesn’t work ask someone else for an opinion. I won’t evoke the “L” word, but this scene wreaks of it.
I disagree about your “read like a haiku” statement, but I have been reprimanded for my economy of words before. I do like your version better than what we are getting in the movie.
I’ve always thought that editing dialog was easy, but maybe it’s really a lost art.
RTF!
“218. Admiral Waugh – April 7, 2009
Wow, I’m really surprised so many of you are missing the point about ‘hick.’ The point is the intention behind it, and really, there is a very good analogy in how n-word is used.
As Sarah pointed out, many of us do say it in the south — for each other. But it is generally *not acceptable* or *polite* for others from outside the south to use it. That is not too dissimilar from the n-word.
…..
In the end, it should be tolerated I’d think, but it’s just poor taste.”
————————
Very well said. I bumbled through my point as the original discussion progressed and many replies had clearly not examined by entire explanation, but I think you’ve summed it up quite well.
I loved future speak. It’s what made Trek different from other sci fi shows. And they are 300 years in the future, aren’t they? They don’t actually speak English anymore. They speak a new language, because in 300 years, you will be speaking a very different language.
And people in the 24th century are supposed to be much different than today. Read the TMP novel. In the foreword, Kirk describes how Starfleet officers are seen as primitive humans, while the civilians a much more intelligent and whatnot. Now if those primitive humans are capable of remembering 600 year old literature line by line, and making complex calculations on quantum mechanics, imagine how far more intelligent those civilians are.
It’s VERY dumb to expect NO change in attitudes, language and behavior in 300 years. So that bar scene is not very good.
I think seeing Kirk start the barfight in this movie will give even more meaning to the twinkle in his eye when he was scolding Checkov and Scotty in “The Trouble WithTribbles”. Karl Urban”s McCoy is spot on too. I think the guy might be carrying around ol’ Bones’ katra around in his head.
402
So how many xenolinguists do you know?
406. (750 Mang)
// I disagree about your “read like a haiku” statement, but I have been reprimanded for my economy of words before. I do like your version better than what we are getting in the movie. //
Thanks. I should have clarified, regarding my “haiku” statement; the average person will choose to employ a bare economy of words in day-to-day situations. Dialogue that’s monosyllabic can become staccato (in an unpleasant way) to the ear, so it helps to imbue them with a certain subtle “rhythm”. Of course, films often call for unusual characters in unusual situations, so more “soliloquous” dialogue can be both fitting and welcome. You’ve still got to know when to cut out the fat. ;)
#402
Actually, it’s just as likely. Many of the smartest people I know are far more crude than anyone else I know. Often, the higher the intellect is the less regard it has for social mores.
411. SaphronGirl – April 8, 2009
Harold Pinter is my hero.
Did you see the new clip with Scotty and Spock? It sounds like a script from The Great Space Coaster.
I’m getting despondent about this movie again.
I had just accepted the Bizarro Timeline…
RTF!
Screw off, 750 Mang. I’m sorry, but you’re really annoying me. Don’t you have anything better to do than sit around all day and make retarded comments on TM?
Seriously. If you don’t like the new movie, you don’t like it. That’s your opinion. WE GET THE POINT.
I sort of like the Scotty clip, I see Scotty in it for sure and he is definitely a character that will have his own voice and attitudes.. But dang those camera flares! It’s from film 101 JJ, people aren’t supposed to constantly be reminded the camera is there.. I want to get lost in the story, not told again and again I’m seeing through a lens.. It’s not more realistic, it breaks the Fourth Wall!
414. spockatatic – April 8, 2009
“Screw off, 750 Mang. I’m sorry, but you’re really annoying me. Don’t you have anything better to do than sit around all day and make retarded comments on TM?
Seriously. If you don’t like the new movie, you don’t like it. That’s your opinion. WE GET THE POINT.”
I hear you Spockataic, but I would have said;
WE GET THE POINT! Don’t you have anything better to do? If you don’t like the new movie then that’s your opinion. Screw off, 750 Mang!
Better.
I’m sorry I’m not “feeling” these clips the same way you are. Also, sorry I’m a smart ass. It comes out when I’m making a point.. My wife thinks it’s annoying too.
rtf:(
412: “Actually, it’s just as likely. Many of the smartest people I know are far more crude than anyone else I know. Often, the higher the intellect is the less regard it has for social mores.”
It’s just that it’s hard to be impressed with Uhura’s words when she’s talking like a tween.
750 Mang
“…I’d give real money if he’d shut-up”
These scenes are fantastic. After almost 20 years of being considered the corny old Trek that nobody watches, Kirk , Spock and McCoy – with the help of the very talented Supreme Court – are once again reminding the world WHY Star Trek..not the spin-offs- was so beloved, respected and FUN!
Unlike TNG, which changed the whole recipe, this movie seems to have all the right ingredients, just prepared in a flashier bowl. Serve it up boys, after years of current Trek stagnating in mediocrity, the world is hungry for a Trek that is smart, sexy, imaginative, adventurous and, most of all, FUN! Can’t wait to satisfy my appetite on May 8th….but all these fantastic clips and reviews are killing me…gonna be a looong month.
413. (750 Mang)
If you don’t go into this movie expecting anything Pinteresque, I think you’ll enjoy it just fine. The older films had their own moments of awkward dialogue and the like, but we still love them, bumps and all. :)
I get your point, but all in all, we have to be able to relate to the film in our current dialogue.
Besides, hasn’t Trek walked this line before?
Data in Generations: “Oh shit!”
Scotty in STIII: “Up your shaft.”
McCoy in STIII: “That green-blooded son-of-a-bitch. It’s his revenge for all the arguments he lost.”
Kirk in STIV: “Well, the double dumb-ass on you!”
McCoy in STV: “You really piss me off, Jim! Human life is far too precious to risk on crazy stunts”
McCoy in STV: “Some of us get off on long and dangerous climbs.”
…The list goes-on.
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408. Dude – April 8, 2009
I loved future speak. It’s what made Trek different from other sci fi shows. And they are 300 years in the future, aren’t they? They don’t actually speak English anymore. They speak a new language, because in 300 years, you will be speaking a very different language.
And people in the 24th century are supposed to be much different than today. Read the TMP novel. In the foreword, Kirk describes how Starfleet officers are seen as primitive humans, while the civilians a much more intelligent and whatnot. Now if those primitive humans are capable of remembering 600 year old literature line by line, and making complex calculations on quantum mechanics, imagine how far more intelligent those civilians are.
It’s VERY dumb to expect NO change in attitudes, language and behavior in 300 years. So that bar scene is not very good.
421. James Tiberius “my cabin in the Nexus hasn’t depreciated” Kirk – April 8, 2009
“Besides, hasn’t Trek walked this line before?”
It has, and here’s my take on the examples:
Data in Generations: “Oh shit!” – Horrible.
Scotty in STIII: “Up your shaft.” – Funny.
McCoy in STIII: “That green-blooded son-of-a-bitch. It’s his revenge for all the arguments he lost.” – Perfect.
Kirk in STIV: “Well, the double dumb-ass on you!” – Funny.
McCoy in STV: “You really piss me off, Jim! Human life is far too precious to risk on crazy stunts” – Not very good.
McCoy in STV: “Some of us get off on long and dangerous climbs.”” -Meh.
I’m still holding out hope for a lot more Perfect and less Meh. But I am uneasy.
rtf:(
421, I understand where you’re coming from, but this is our *introduction* to Uhura. If, after 3 seasons and a half-dozen movies she decides to go a little, er, basic in her phrasing, well, that’s fine. We’ve gotten to know her.
First impressions and all.
Hello everyone, I am so excited to see this movie! The Friday, May 8th movie release date cannot come fast enough for me. I was on the fence about it, until I started reading some of the positive reviews of this movie. I hope that you can help me with this problem. This is a scene clip or it might be part of one the trailers, that shows Uhura hugging Spock. They show this scene very quickly and you have to have good eyes to spot it. I know that I have seen this scene and I cannot remember where I saw it! It is driving me crazy! I would appreciate any help that you give to locate this particular clip and/or trailer. Thank you!
#424 … Trailer 3:
http://www.startrekmovie.com/
I loved the scene in Star Trek 6, where Kirk on Rura Penthe shouted “Son of a…” and then was beamed aboard the Enterprise and it continued with a fading echo of “bitch!”
#405
Oh caggie caggie you little worry-wart.
You are correct, I certainly have not done my homework and kept a tally of pee and poop references in other Orci/Kurtzman films. I have not done so because I am not a psycho.
My entire point was that you watched a scene involving McCoy being seriously and sincerely upset over his own personal fears and somehow associated it with toilet humour.
He just wanted to be in a room with no windows, and the bathroom happened to be such a room. It wasn’t a joke at all, and it certainly had nothing to do with poo, or even a toilet. He just wanted to avoid being visually reminded that he was flying on a shuttle.
I guarantee nobody will piss themselves or pee on anyone else in this movie. You can relax.
Of all the things in life to worry about you are upset that someone might go to the bathroom in Star Trek. Unbelievable.
“I was very concerned for Star Trek … when JJ started talking about someone “hiding in the toilet” in one of his earlier interviews.”
- cagmar
LOL!!!! I almost peed myself reading that!!
Well #427 I have not kept a tally. I simply have watched Orci and Kurtzman’s work and it kept reappearing, being disruptive and turning up out-of-line. In the past, it has been framed as if we should be laughing at it. I call it bad taste.
I am offended by your deliberate misrepresentation and attack on my concerns. I really appreciate a good come-back and an intellectual debate, but a come-back build of misunderstanding and attacks on my character is NOT in order.
I’d appreciate you not calling me a psycho for fearing that McCoy may have actually been hiding IN the toilet. Based on their track record, the possibility was very real. Similar things have happened in EVERYTHING they’ve written. That’s part of film, recognizing directors, writers and producers’ patterns and knowing what kind of product you’ll get. If maybe one thing they’d written had avoided the potty, maybe I wouldn’t have been so concerned by JJ Abrams remarks about someone “hiding in the toilet” for humour purposes.
I understand that McCoy didn’t offend with his remark and I know he said it because there were no windows. I KNOW THAT. That’s why I am thanking them, for not offending this time. Do you remember my original remark????
You’ve watched the new Star Trek, if you’re “guaranteeing” anything about it? Then I’ll take your word, IF you’ve watched it. But until someone has watched it and cleared it based on knowledge, I am fully allowed to maintain my concern.
I’m not concerned someone will go to the bathroom. You really put a lot of effort, SarahJM into misunderstanding what I have said. I appreciate that humans need to defecate. I do not appreciate us being treated to the humour of it, or it being shared among groups for a stupid laugh.
Shame on you for being so inept with reading comprehension, ma’am.
Meanwhile, Orci and Kutzman – overall, I loved The Island and MI:III, and I do see a place for your energy and fun in film and TV. I have a few nits to pick, but I don’t hate everything you do or dare put down your talents.
Keep up the good work, and keep improving. That was sort of the point of Nemesis, wasn’t it? If there was anything to take away from that flop, at least we can learn to seek to be better than we are.
415. pinky – April 8, 2009
I sort of like the Scotty clip, I see Scotty in it for sure and he is definitely a character that will have his own voice and attitudes.. But dang those camera flares! It’s from film 101 JJ, people aren’t supposed to constantly be reminded the camera is there.. I want to get lost in the story, not told again and again I’m seeing through a lens.. It’s not more realistic, it breaks the Fourth Wall!
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Amen! The camera flares are awful, and they seem to happen almost constantly in these clips.
I’m not as worried about the rewriting of Trek canon as I am about the godawful filmmaking choices. Then again, I’m no fan of Peter Jackson’s swooping camera crap in the Tolkien movies, either–I guess I like films that, like you said, don’t remind me about the camera.
Every flare is a reminder–”Hey, I’ve got a movie camera!” It’s amateurish and annoying.
#415, 430
I’d be careful about associating artistic choices with ‘amateurish’ film making. A lot of brilliant directors and beautiful films have used them to great effect over the last 50 years.
431. sean – April 9, 2009
#415, 430
I’d be careful about associating artistic choices with ‘amateurish’ film making. A lot of brilliant directors and beautiful films have used them to great effect over the last 50 years.
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If having lens flares constantly is an “artistic” choice, then the art of filmmaking is in trouble.
Maybe I shouldn’t have said “amateurish.” Instead, I should have said “dumb” filmmaking or “ugly” filmmaking.” But in my opinion, anything that draws attention to the camera/filmmaker and takes the audience out of the experience is “amateurish.”
I’ll be seeing this film on opening day, but if the lens flares are as horrible as they seem to be from our very limited clip sampling, and if the volume really is turned up to 11 throughout as some reviews have said, and if the camera/editing really is as dizzying as some reviews have said (and clips support), and if the humor is on the level of Uhura’s “sex with farm animals” comment, then I’m very unlikely to see the film a second time in the theater. It’s not about canon issues, or the ugly nacelles, or any of that trivial stuff; it’s about whether the experience of watching the film is enjoyable or uncomfortable.
We’ll find out on May 8.
Hello #425, Thank you for providing the information on the Uhura/Spock scene from trailer 3. I appreciate your kind help.
#427 Cagmar
Sorry I was picking on you, but you’re just such a complainer over nonsense, and I hate that sort of thing.
“I understand that McCoy didn’t offend with his remark and I know he said it because there were no windows. I KNOW THAT. That’s why I am thanking them, for not offending this time. Do you remember my original remark????”
Of course I remember your original remark. You said you hoped that when Bones mentioned the toilet, that it was the only “feces-related joke” in the movie. I called you silly for making a huge ridiculous huge stretch from what was actually said to calling it a “feces-related joke”. I mean he didn’t even say the word toilet, much less refer to feces.
“I’d appreciate you not calling me a psycho for fearing that McCoy may have actually been hiding IN the toilet. ”
Did you honestly think McCoy might be IN a toilet? I have to ask again. Were you truly afraid he was IN a toilet? How big are toilets or people in your imagination that you were concerned McCoy would actually be inside a toilet? How long have you been concerned that either a miniature McCoy was inside a normal-sized toilet, or that a regular-sized McCoy was in a massive toilet? Is he treading water or can he stand and touch the bottom? Perhaps he is using a poop as a floatation device? What scenario were you envisioning that had you so worried? Are you sure you aren’t maybe a little psycho?
my mistake, Cag is #428
I don’t know why it is politically correct these days for Uhura to call Kirk a “hick” when everyone would pretend to be outraged if Kirk called Uhura a certain word starting with N. That alone turned me against the movie.
Would it have been offensive if Kirk told Uhura “you’re just a nappy-haired ho who probably dealt in prositution and drug dealing before joining Starfleet”? (Remember the fallout from Don Imus?)
Same use of racial stereotypes, only our society seems to be much more accepting of racism against whites.
I say bring on the Uhura and Spock! Pllllleeeeaasse. I think it is about time. They should of explored it more before. I think it rather simple minded when people say things like “This is not Spock’s character. There was nothing between them, etc.”
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