3rd Star Trek Clip Now Online – Spock Meets Scotty [now in HD] April 8, 2009
by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: Star Trek (2009 film) , trackback
A third new clip from Star Trek is now online. Bits of it were spotted in some overseas reporting shown here yesterday, but now we can see the whole thing. The scene shows Kirk and Spock getting a little testy, while Scotty just needs a little help. Check it out below [SPOILERS]
CLIP “Answer Me” — Kirk returns to Enterprise with Scotty (via Apple)
See Mr. Spock meet Scotty for the first time. [see below for more details on this scene]
and in case you missed them, here are the two other clips released yesterday
CLIP: "Shot of Love"(from MTV)
CLIP: "Disease and Danger" – (Yahoo)
What’s going on in Clip 3?
[SPOILERS]
[SPOILERS]
This is the scene that immediately follows when Scotty was caught in the water pipes (from the ‘kids trailer) on the Enterprise. This is why Scotty is wet and why he needs a towel. The answer to Mr. Spock’s question as to how they got on board is more complicated. Earlier in the film Spock dumps Kirk off on Delta Vega, there he meets the Elder Spock and Mr. Scott. Elder Spock shows Mr. Scott (using his own equations from the future) how to transport to a ship while at warp.
Here again is the trailer that showed Scotty in the water pipes.
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oh man that’s great… the bridge even has similar noises to the original :D
Awesome!
Why in the love of game is “Shot of Love”(from MTV) not viewable in Canada?? I mean seriously. :(
This movie is looking better by the second! And it already looked great!!! One month to go!!
He, I was first. Doesn’t matter. What the heck is going on with the lens flares in this clip? Horrible!
Woah, the turbolift doors have a werid sound to em.
I love the Spock/Kirk interaction, but those constant lens flares are giving me vertigo.
IDK about the flares, but i don’t like them. Also what the hell was the door sound, I half expected a Autobot to fall out onto the deck. hmmm
bridge is cool, but why is spock so demanding and angry?
Is that Elder Spock standing with Mr. Spock when the camera pans over quickly?
10
It’s Sarek.
well i guess he is not really angry i;m just not used to quinto
Hmmm not sure bout the flares also, from that clip Quinto (like Urban from the McCoy clip) totally nails it!
yeah, Urban nails it but i’m not sure about quinto – as a whole though i love all three new clips, i’m not trying to bash anything
Bridge FX are great! The sounds are similar, not identical, but reminiscent. Right on track!
9. (carpenst)
The site where this clip was posted has this to say:
“While I know why things are happening in this clip due to footage I’ve already seen, I won’t spoil it for you. Let’s just say there is a reason people are acting a certain way here….”
“Wait…that doesn’t frustrate you now does it my lack of…cooperation”
Yup….that’s Jim Kirk. The cadence and physicality is just right
The extreme lens flares are distracting and annoying :(
About SPOILERS
So they fly to the edge of the galaxy (where Delta Vega should be)?
Oh at LAST we get to see a bit of Pine’s Kirk… and I think he does GREAT… oh and by the way: does Spock try to use the Force in that last bit (”You WILL answer me…”) ?
Simon makes a great Scotty, if I do say so myself. Now, give the man a towel.
I CANNOT WAIT FOR THIS MOVIE THE EXCITEMENT IS KILLING ME.
GOD.
I’ve got a fever, and the only prescription is more LENSFLARE!!
@Chris Doohan
coming from you, thats a real vote of confidence for simon pegg.
I really really like all of those clips. I think everyone delivers their characters very well. can´t wait for may!
Wow, Quinto does a great job with Spock! Pine’s okay and I’ve haven’t seen enough of Pegg to tell. His lines so far are limited to “I like this ship, it’s exciting”, “I’m with him”, and “Can I get a towel please”. Definitely some humor in his character! Those “light glares” are getting annoying though. There in almost every shot!
Wow. Quinto OWNS Nimoy’s facial mannerisms. He doesn’t have the gravitas of Nimoy’s fantastically grave baritone voice, but he has the character. Kirk is just right. This is precisely how he was whenever he defeated an alien supercomputer through emotion and illogic. I am very relieved and very impressed.
Also — bridge noises. Awesome.
Amazing…perish the thought of the new movie being SO DIFFERENT, but after a couple of clips…I can see the similarities to the original…in so many areas…
NICE!
Oh, good! Hand held camera and shooting into practical lights! Finally a “Star Trek” film shot in the ultra-modern, innovative style of 1964’s “A Hard Day’s Night.”
@ 20
That would make a great movie Tag Line! :D
STAR TREK XI
-Give The Man a Towel-
Love it!! I feel they all nail their roles perfectly, and I love the noises. Everything seems to fit together seamlessly. :)
I’m really excited for this movie the more and more I see of it. I really can’t wait! With the above clip, the acting is solid and right on as to what I expected, in a positive way, however the flares on the camera are a little annoying but livable. What the heck is up with the door sound though? I miss the original door opening. Everything else is perfect!
i love the bridge noises except for the darn turbolift soundeffects. its way to complicated of a sound for a door opening, i mean theyve had the same door sounds for 40 years! we had to change it now?? everything else looks great, the bridge especially. im having some trouble getting past sylar when i see spock
I’m looking forward to a clip without a lens flare. They are everywhere.
I thought I had come around, but my fears are mounting again.
RTF!
Is it me, or is Spock a bit “edgy?”
An elf with a hyperactive thyroid!!!
Right next to the dog faced boy!!!
haha, oh my god, this film is gonna rock! watched all three clips now and i just wanna know more about it all. fantastic, i really hope it does well.
Tehe, Scotty doesn’t know where his towel is. ^^
It’s not as deep, but Quinto does have Nimoy’s intonation – I suppose that could be the requisite absence of overt emotion (until the end of the clip, anyhow….), but I’d rather give the actor credit. I wish it showed more of Scotty than just him asking for a towel, though. Anyway, this must be how Kirk gets Spock angry enough to assault him, opening the way for Kirk to assume the captain’s position in Spock’s absence for, as Bones points out, “We have no captain and no first officer to replace him.” Who knows young Spock better than Spock Prime, huh? Insult his intelligence, make him lose control of his emotions – boom. One thing I’m looking for, though, is that vertical viewfinder that Spock always had at his station in both the series and the movies (at least the first two).
9. If that’s Sarek on the bridge with Spock, I’ll bet he’s trying to prove himself…
17. CAPAirSAR – April 8, 2009
““Wait…that doesn’t frustrate you now does it my lack of…cooperation”
Yup….that’s Jim Kirk. The cadence and physicality is just right”
My thoughts exactly. Pine had the toughest role of all (the actors; none of them have it, easy of course) of recreating a character that is so much Bill Shatner… His mannered style of acting; Shatner’s personality, humor, charisma, all informed his “Kirk.”
Gotta love fans. They can complain about anything.
“Lens flares”… yeah, those are *always* the surest sign that a movie is going to be terrible… :eyeroll:
Great clips, but those lens flares… man I’ve seen like ten in clips so far.
What I hate most about lens flares is that someone on the other end of those clips said in all seriousness “Hey, lens flare add realism (they don’t) totally put a lens flare there then five seconds later put another one… OMG! A minute without a lens flare!!!1 PUT LENS FLARES IN RIGHT NOW… add Jar Jar too”.
Bah!
Otherwise, can’t wait for this movie.
you know I didn’t even take notice of the lens flare until someone mentioned it. I think it’s intentional to give the film a sense of a real environment, candid without posing and perfect stage lighting, it’s as if the lighting is actually from the bridge itself. Doesn’t bother me.
To all those in Canada: the “Shot of Love” clip is on Youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YVl8C12690
28. Engon – April 8, 2009
“Oh, good! Hand held camera and shooting into practical lights! Finally a “Star Trek” film shot in the ultra-modern, innovative style of 1964’s “A Hard Day’s Night.””
Troll.
Didn’t notice the flares till someone mentioned them.
It’s not just the lens flare… I think the bridge has altogether too many lights shining in random directions. It’s a bit annoying, but nothing I can’t handle.
Great characters… Bridge is so G***amn Bright though, I can imagine it becoming hard on the eyes transitioning from out in space back into the bridge set. Flares all the time?? Yikes. But Kirk and Spock seem to be starting their relationship on the right foot lol. So far, McCoy is my favorite from all these clips.
Kirk is such a BADASS!!!
Ditto—not sure about the flares. But that scene is AWESOME. Scotty is dope! A slightly nervous Spock… and Kirk! Damn! I wanna see that film.
Love the sound effects on the bridge.
Lens flares are caused by the lasers from the bar-code scanners. If you look at them directly you will go blind.
Me likey movie clips. Another 4 months or so and I will have seen the whole movie.
Those lens flares are damn annoying, but the scene was AWESOME.
Great !!!
The messing with Spock reminded me of This Side of Paradise when Kirk was trying to provoke him into getting angry!
Wow, lens flares and the door sounds are ‘wrong’…yup, I’m among Trekkies all right.
For all that Quinto doesn’t have Nimoy’s incredible baritone (which always seemed like the most inimitable part of TOS Spock), it actually helps his depiction of the character. I’m really buying him as a younger, less experienced Spock who hasn’t been tempered by years of working with Kirk and McCoy.
If this spawns a good new series of films, perhaps Quinto’s voice will mature with the character, though by then he may be the “other definitive Spock” on his own.
Please JJ, no more lens flares.
Other than that, great clip!
The video is choppy for me, is there a better link?
Getting very down about this.
Sounds like an episode of Saved By The Bell.
“Tell me”
“Don’t tell him!”
“Tell me!”
“If you’re so smart you should know already!”
“Shut up Jerkface!”
Oh my…
rtf :(
The lens flare in the McCoy clip wasn’t that bad, but in this particular clip, it really is ridiculous and it hurt my eyes watching it. I just hope the rest of the movie uses them sparingly (we already know they’re going to be in there!).
59 — Kirk is intentionally trying to antagonize Spock in this scene, who is clearly already unstable from something-or-other. It’s easy to want to judge this scene out of context, but wait until the film is out. If you’re still down after seeing it, then I’ll concede that you had good reason to be.
The turbolift doors sound like a phaser discharging! WTF! Good to hear the chirps of the bridge sounds reminisent of TOS in the background though.
Honestly I’m not familiar with Simon Pegg. I was rooting for the actor from SG: Atlantis to get the part. I thought he looked more like James Doohan than Pegg did, and I knew he had the accent. From the clips I’ve seen thus far I’m just not getting Scotty from Pegg. Alright, go ahead and start throwing the Horta eggs at me… it’s just my feelings I have right now. Maybe some better clips of Pegg’s Scotty will win me over.
And damn Quinto’s hot as Spock…. Sylar… not so much.
Mang
I don’t think I agree with you, but that is some funny stuff.
Though I think the entire cast will deliver extremely solid work, I have a feeling that Karl Urban will emerge as the fan favorite.
I mean, he’s a replica of Dr. McCoy. Just based on that clip of him above, I LOVE what he’s done with the character.
Umm, that Spock meet’s Scotty cilp is not loading!
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Nice. Good acting, good design, good sounds. Yep, nice all around.
Dammit, I really wish they’d show more of Simon Pegg doing the Scottish accent. Myself being from Scotland, I’m really interested in hearing how he’s doing it.
I thought about adding a signature to my posts admonishing everyone to Forget The Farragut, but then I remembered that most Trek fans don’t know what it is in the first place, so they’ve already followed my counsel without realizing it.
#58 – It would sound like “Saved By The Bell” if they actually said any of what you said. Since they didn’t, it doesn’t sound like “Saved By The Bell,” it’s simply your imagination at work ;)
Maybe the sound of the turbolift isn’t just the doors, but perhaps the sound of the turbolift (which is moving very fast) coming to a stop?
Pine’s Kirk is very encouraging in these shots.
69
RTF lol
Ok, here’s a suggestion…
Everything so far has been rated awful by Mister Mang……
SO howabout this, Mang, write YOUR star trek story, doesnt matter what it is…you put it in writing..
Nothing meets your approval so its clear you have a better sense of what star trek should be like…you put it in print and we’ll all have a look..
I think thats fair…..
Anyone else agree??
Star Trek: Lens Flare
Quinto, has Spock down. I think this is the first time we really got to see him as Spock not just dressed like him.
Have others noticed – I know this is a silly question – how much Nimoy’s vocal register lowered between TOS and ST:TMP? It’s unlikely that it was a matter of age – all of ten years – so I’ve always wondered whether it was an evolution of technique of some kind.
“Can I get a towel please ?”
Pegg in a very English accent !!!!
Matt – England.
55:
Rainbucket
“If this spawns a good new series of films, perhaps Quinto’s voice will mature with the character, though by then he may be the “other definitive Spock” on his own.”
I think Quinto needs to smoke two packs of Camel per day, plus follow each workday with a dozen martinis to get that ’60s “Nimoy” depth to his voice. From what I’ve read, Mr. Nimoy was quite addicted to both for a while. And they both, smokes especially, affect one’s voice forever.
Oh, and, Zach. Don’t take my advice, please.
Nicely done.
If I had one complaint though, it’d be the lights. They’re a little distracting. Still the same, I believe Quinto’s got a good portrayal of Spock.
I agree with some of the others here…. Take it easy with the lense flares JJ… Sheesh…
Wow, too much complaining. Everything looks awesome, especially the lenseflares. About time a Trek movies wasn’t as bland and grits and cornbread…
as bland as*
I agree, nobody does it quite like Mr. Nimoy, but Quinto-as-Spock sent chills down my spine! And TOS bridge noises! Awesomesauce!
Oh god, I’m geeking out over background noises — What have I become….
Yeah, the lens flares are kind of odd, but I’d much rather a director try to make his mark on the film with a quirky visual style than have plain “vanilla” directing.
73. Remington Steele – April 8, 2009
“SO howabout this, Mang, write YOUR star trek story, doesnt matter what it is…you put it in writing..”
Good idea.
more in sadness than in anger, rtf:(
This Quinto looks like a guy dressed up as Spock. His acting is fine…for another role.
And bolt the camera down…Man I hate that hand-held crap.
#85
Great.
We’ll look forward to reading it, dissecting it, criticising every small detail, using RTF at every possible opportunity, take all the possible enjoyment out of it, butchering it mercilessly and then there will be balance in the universe again;)
Has anyone else noticed that most of the naysayers now are newbies to the site?
Gotta go with 750 Mang on this…
…the one thing I’ve had doubts about the most has been Orci & Kurtzman writing abilities… not so much whether or not they could come up with a good story (which they seem to have), but their way with dialogue.
TRANSFORMERS has many apologists claiming it’s “supposed” to be a stupid summer movie, but the dialogue and characters made my head hurt. The problem is previous writing from DC Fontana, Gene Coon, Nicholas Meyer, etc., has always been so SHARP in past incarnations of TOS, that you really need to deliver the goods, dialogue-wise, if you’re going to revisit the Kirk & Spock era.
Sorry, but NOTHING from these 3 clips so far is quieting my fears… the writing seems serviceable at best, but tin-eared and dumbed-down at worst. I’m sure the production, overall, will be fine, in terms of direction, acting, photography, music, SFX, but man that dialogue is depressing…
All you can do is whine and stink! you people are pathetic! Lens flares WAAAAAAH, and “I don’t like Quinto’s acting out of the 18 words I have seen him speak!” Get a life! this movie looks great! Lens flares are hardly noticeable. Time to get out of your mother’s basement guys! This movie is going to rock. Are we just afraid that some normal people might become Star Trek fans???? Is that it?
Forgive me, but whenever I see RTF I think immediately of Rich Text Format and get no further. RTF?
Nice Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy reference!…
I dont know if it needs any more lens flare, but it could definetly use more Cowbell.
#91, dont bother trying to figure it out.
Its some stupid adolescent thing used by someone on here to antagonise the rest of us….
…like the woman looking for the beef, if we all ignore it, it will just go away…
94, that’s about what I figured. No worries, then.
i love the ambient bridge noise…
73. Remington Steele – April 8, 2009
I WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree. :)
So is Kirk supposed to be 25 in this movie or 34 as he should be when he becomes Captain of the Enterprise? I don’t see how blowing up the U.S.S. Kelvin in the past would delay the birth of James T. Kirk by 9 years.
I’m more and more impressed with the new film. It is obvious that they did a lot to honor TOS. The Bridge sounds are similar to TOS yet modernized. Very nicely done. Also most of the acting is spot on and the cast was well chosen. Some things are a bit weird, for example how Spock is acting but I know that it’s early on and Zachery Quinto already said that his Spock “isn’t in complete control of his emotions” so I look forward to the film and seeing how the crew evolves.
May 8th is exactly one month from today. It’s almost here and let’s hope for a blockbuster.
Thanks internet for making everyone a critic. I think the lens flares could easily be something going on off screen like maybe the warp effect. What say you fellow interneters.
#86
Leave.
Please?
what are lens flares?
I have a hard enough time trying to understand 1- dialogue, 2- figure out the plot, 3- trying to quieten down the voice that says the new guy is nothing like the old guy, 4-trying to enjoy the piece, all of that and I forgot to look at the lighting, if someone enlightens me maybe I can add that to my list.
Is the video not working for anyone else? I get the audio, but the “video” is a static green/yellow mess.
I hated the lens flares and the snap zooms and pans!
am I going nuts or is that old spock or sarek in the background?
and 86 that is quintos real hair and after seeing this I think he makes a fine spock.
103 — I think that the bandwidth is likely being taxed pretty heavily, with all the people trying to view it simultaneously.
87. Remington Steele – April 8, 2009
“We’ll look forward to reading it, dissecting it, criticising every small detail, using RTF at every possible opportunity, take all the possible enjoyment out of it, butchering it mercilessly and then there will be balance in the universe again;)”
Yup. If you make your living in the arts (flim, music, theatre, finger-painting, whatever) people will always think you’re doing it wrong. That’s how the thing works.
Am I out of line if I say that STV was lackluster? Can’t I call ‘em as I see ‘em (speaking of cliches)?
I seriously doubt that anyone has had their feelings hurt by some honest criticism. I would be shocked if they had. I’m just a Trek-fan with an internet connection.
If I show you my ticket receipt can I say what we’ve seen in the last 24 hours isn’t as good as I hoped it would be?
If you prick me do I not leak?
rtf:(
#76 Bailey
It was a pack of Camels a day
Concerning “Spock meets Scotty”:
OH F@#K, THIS MOVIE IS GONNA BE GOOOOOOOOOD!!!
102 a lens flare is that horrible flash of light that is going to permeate the whole film! Lens flares happen when you have lights shinning directly into the lens of the camera! It is sloppy photography!
#107
Dear God-it’s like talking to a wall…
I’m washing my hands of this-my apologies Mang…
Do whatever you want, please drag other people into the depths of despair with you…
I actually pity you, i really do.
You are making it clear you will be let down by this movie, yet show up here every day having a go at it…..
I find that quite sad that you have nothing more important to do.
Oh BROTHER. What is with that turbolift sound? It sounds like a trash compactor. I mean really we don’t need to hear all that crap to know it’s a turbolift. And those flares are gonna get so old so fast. I just watched that one short clip and already have a headache from it. I cannot imagine what it’s gonna be like sitting through an entire movie in a darkened theatre with that mess going on. It distracts from the acting. I CANNOT imagine what Abrams’ was thinking except maybe the actors weren’t going to pull it off so he’d better come up with some way to keep the scene moving and entertain the audience with a big shiny cat-toy. That or he thought the average teenage movie-goer suffers from acute ADD. Horrible.
As for the acting, it’s really too short to tell, but Quinto doesn’t impress me. Pine’s OK and the jury is still out on Peg.
has anyone posted this on youtube yet? that file will only show me video and not audio
89. SPB – April 8, 2009
“… I’ve had doubts about the most has been Orci & Kurtzman writing abilities… not so much whether or not they could come up with a good story (which they seem to have), but their way with dialogue. … The problem is previous writing from DC Fontana, Gene Coon, Nicholas Meyer, etc., has always been so SHARP in past incarnations of TOS, that you really need to deliver the goods, dialogue-wise, if you’re going to revisit the Kirk & Spock era. Sorry, but NOTHING from these 3 clips so far is quieting my fears… the writing seems serviceable at best, but tin-eared and dumbed-down at worst.”
You mean “SHARP” D.C. Fontana writing like this from the unforgettable “The Way to Eden”:
“I’m gonna crack my knuckles and jump for joy, I got a clean bill of health from Dr. McCoy.”
and:
“Hey, man, why do you wear all those clothes? How do you breathe?”
Or from another landmark episode “That Which Survives”:
“I must touch you. I beg it. It is my existence. You are my match, James T. Kirk.”
and:
“I know what time it is. I don’t need a bloomin’ cuckoo clock.”
I think this scene is really cool. The spot lights are so not needed. Why does the crew need to have lights in their face! Sorta silly. Cant find a function for them. Other than that…really cool.
Cant wait to hear Scotty!
I’m glad they went for a realistic approach with this movie. Star Trek needs to have a little bit of an edge to it. I think people seem to forget that, in it’s original run, TOS was kind of a hard edged show for its’ time with some crazy camera work and over-the-top music. I’m glad the “new guys” are putting some modern energy into this film in the audio and visual department.
Kind of a refreshing change if you ask me. The last 15 years of the other shows with “Trek” in the title were very bland in the manner in which they were shot and musically scored. The washed out color, static camera work and the extremely bland music that Jay Chattaway and Dennis McCarthy were forced to write by the producers made them very bland.
The early seasons of TNG, if you look at them from an aesthetic viewpoint, were visually and musically more interesting than the later seasons and subsequent spinoffs. The stories may not have been good, but at least those early seasons had some “color”. The later seasons of TNG and the rest of the spinoffs were just very bland from a camera and audio standpoint.
In any event, I like the “look” of the new film.
#98
Kirk is 34 during ‘The Deadly Years’, which is a second season episode, and according to most sources takes place in 2267. Kirk was already Captain of the Enterprise in ‘WNMHGB’, and that took place in 2265. Even putting aside the alternate universe stuff, no, he’s not supposed to be 34 when he takes command of the Enterprise. He was at least 32, possibly younger. Nothing I’ve seen in the new movie contradicts that.
Interesting, how many people like the sounds on the bridge in the new scene, but not much else. I agree the lense flares are annoying and unnecessary. Quinto does feel more like your average Enterprise Romulcan than Spock, but then that’s probably intentional.
Oh, I nearly forgot my sign off…
FTF! ;)
The bridge sound effects, like the viewscreen beeping sound you can hear in the background, very close to the original
112. RD
Go away. Your posts go beyond constructive criticism and borderline complete hatred. You are one iota shy of trolling. Get a life.
Better link to the Spock/Scotty meeting HERE at AICN
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/40705
118. Unbel1ever – April 8, 2009
How conveniently people forget that Spock shouted all the time in the first few episodes, and especially in The Cage, where he even smiled. This is Spock sometime after the timeline of The Cage….not the Spock from the time during the 5 year mission. None of the characters in this movie have grown into the folks we know in the 5 year mission yet, nor will they necessarily…considering the difference in this timeline, but considering these are new actors then they can’t be exactly as they were and the fork in the timeline makes these personality changes more acceptable.
A bit nitpickie here, dontcha think? I mean, this a new, modernized Trek. It’s not a parody. I love seeing the things that make the character, the character. Thse guys aren’t trying to impersonate the actors, they’re portraying their characters. I’m excited about this movie. The more I see, the more excited I get. A new generation portraying the classic generation. This is going to be good….
These new clips look GOOD!
What do you think, Stanky?
I LOVE Karl Urban and Zachary Quinto! *squee* I need to see more Chris Pine though, not sold on him yet. We shall see.
i like these lens flares……now all of you know how i see the wolrd lol
113. armalarm – April 8, 2009
“has anyone posted this on youtube yet? that file will only show me video and not audio”
Spock: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMqZEoBKBXE
Uhura: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YVl8C12690
McCoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RlVlhTC9zg
114. The Original Spock’s Brain – April 8, 2009
“You mean “SHARP” D.C. Fontana writing like this from the unforgettable “The Way to Eden…”
Certainly not a highlight of Ms. Fontana’s tenure at Trek.
But there is a big difference in the amount of time you have to craft quality product in TV vs. feature films.
It’s very different. There’s time to get it right in movies. TV is a weekly grind. There is no time to craft and polish, not really. Not once the season has started.
Unless we want to blame the Writer’s Strike for time limitations with the new movie, you can’t compare the two. But I’m still open to that excuse. Anyone?
rtf:(
re: 101. Krik Semaj – April 8, 2009
“#86
Leave.
Please?”
Leave this unconditional love fest? Not on your life.
Some of you are just so dead-set on liking this no matter what, that you don’t want to hear any opposing views or opinions, regardless of whether or not they have merit.
This may be hard to believe, but I come here regularly hoping to find something that will change my mind about it, but other than the uniforms, I have found nothing.
Abrams whole approach to the thing is entirely distasteful to me. I haven’t seen a lot of the stuff he’s been involved in, but what I have seen, I have not liked.
These clips have served only to show me that it is turning out even worse than I had imagined.
No, I haven’t seen the whole thing, but if the parts are any indication, the whole cannot be much to look forward to.
I’ll keep looking and hoping.
Oooooh, Stanky……….
“I’ll say one thing for him, he’s consistent!”
re: 125. Harry Ballz – April 8, 2009
“These new clips look GOOD!
What do you think, Stanky?”
Not to be disagreeable, but I think I disagree, sir.
Pines is good. The sounds….not so much. Sound like a Benny Hill skit when everyone is walking. The footstep sounds? Flares and everything else are so not needed.
So, I like the interaction as if I’m watching some misc. movie….but the only Trek I’m getting is from Pine.
Don’t wig out about the lens flares, when the image is blown up on the big screen you will hardly notice them.
So far, I have only seen Quinto’s Spock be grumpy and annoyed; quite a contrast to Nimoy’s Spock. Quinto’s Spock seems to be less in control of his emotions than the humans. I know this a younger (and alternate) Spock, but he should still be able to handle himself better.
#135
Maybe this is one hour after Vulcan blew up! How would YOU be handling it?
136. Harry Ballz – April 8, 2009
“#135
Maybe this is one hour after Vulcan blew up! How would YOU be handling it?”
I hope that isn’t really in the movie. Please, leave something familiar.
rtf:(
135, 136 -
We also haven’t heard what Kirk has inevitably said about his human mother. That’s undoubtedly a touchy subject.
so any theory’s as to how scotty gets in those water pipes? im thinking the transport from delta vega goes a bit wrong
20. Chris Doohan – April 8, 2009
Simon makes a great Scotty, if I do say so myself. Now, give the man a towel.
Chris,
You are such a class act!
i’m not diggin the constant blinding lens flares in these shots. besides that though i’m totally excited to see this.
I like the door squeak…
#114 -
Try again. Those episodes are only credited to DC Fontana as “Story by” and NOT “Teleplay by.” Big difference.
Way to completely miss the point of my argument, too.
Those lense flairs are ripples in the space-time continuum. Mini versions of the time jumps we see on “Lost” this year.
Either that, or I did a little too much LDS back in the 60’s as part of the free speech movement.
One or the other.
Haha, this is awesome. Idiotic man-boys whining and crying. This is gonna be the best Star Trek movie.
The lense flares are being caused by the Shat! He snuck onto the Paramount lot during filming and is behind the wall trying to ruin every take!
Ick. Kirk comes across as smug, arrogant, smarmy and unlikeable.
I do agree that Kirk should not be in command of the Enterprise until his thirties, and if I understand the movie correctly, Kirk is only in his twenties when he takes over as Captain, so that doesn’t quite add up, unless you want to explain it away with timeline stuff. But that just doesn’t ring true to me, explaining it away in that manner.
Also, about Stankky (#132, etc.)
People are really misunderstanding Stanky when they criticize ie him as being overly negative about the movie. Haven’t people been reading the man’s posts over the years? As he wrote: “This may be hard to believe, but I come here regularly hoping to find something that will change my mind about it, but other than the uniforms, I have found nothing. Abrams whole approach to the thing is entirely distasteful to me. ”
Why don’t people see that Stanky has been “completely objective about the whole affair.” Stanky has always been trying to look on the bright side of this movie, for years now. Why don’t people see that? It’s a mystery. I just don’t understand it.
Okay, I broke down and watched one of the other ones, the one with Bones. But I will refrain from any of the others until after I see it.
146. Harry Ballz – April 8, 2009
“The lense flares are being caused by the Shat… trying to ruin every take!”
He did a good job.
rtf :(
-148
Because he says one thing and does something else. Sure he says he wants to like this movie, but everything he says is mired with negativity and criticism.
He needs to stop being a hypocrite, and he needs to leave.
Beautiful, now that someones told me what lens flares are, that’s all I see now in the clip. Great. Thanks a bunch. I love all of you.
Is that a mole next to Pine’s right ear, just under his sideburn? Boy, that’s going to be distracting. Could also be the basis of a drinking game after it comes out on DVD.
#151
I can see Stanky has had an effect on you to the point of influencing your choice of post name!
ST : TFB was on our “Breakfast” news show here in New Zealand this morning,,,
http://tvnz.co.nz/breakfast-news/star-trek-meets-breakfast-8-30-2631981
Stanky has every right to his opinion. He’s only hypocritical because he isn’t blindly worshipping this film and kissing JJ Abrams ass like so many of the gushers here.
Just because someone has a diffrent opinion here, theyre automatically wrong. That’s the prevailing attitude. Praise for the almighty Saint JJ and his immaculate conception? Welcome! You are obviously a good open minded person and your farts smell like fresh baked apple pie! Citing legitimate concerns for a property they’ve loved for years? Well obviously theyre wrong and are bad people who don’t deserve to be called fans.
That’s the prevailing attitude I’ve noticed around here. JJ Abrams can obviously do no wrong.
-151
Lets not even get to discussing our names, OK harry ballz?
#157
What are you trying to do, taunt me?
-156
Haha, oh man, stfu. No one said “all hail JJ”. I find his cinematography style of lens flares to be annoying and I hope I don’t notice them too much when I’m in the theater.
I didn’t really like Cloverfield, but it was different. I don’t watch Alias. I only occasionally watch Lost because I find the story to be fascinating. I read about every episode on Wikipedia instead of watching the TV show because frankly, I have better things to do in that 1 hour.
This is a common misconception of you naysayers. Just because we don’t talk down about this movie doesn’t mean we’re heralds of JJ Abrams. I personally like this new take on Star Trek because I can live with it. I already experienced the old TV shows, I loved them (not so much TOS, some of it was cringeworthy and plain bad), but I also don’t let something so stupid as “canon” so cloud my judgment of this movie.
I don’t care if Quinto acts and talks like Spock or whether Scotty’s accent is different, and I find people who care about those inane details waste my time.
I just want to say that the Kirk clip in the bar is exactly how I would imagine an 18 year old Jim Kirk to act. Pine nailed it. Quinto has the mannerisms down. But as said earlier, the voice doesn’t help him when comparing it to Nimoy’s.
I am just picking nits here. But I am so jazzed for this movie regardless. The more I see and hear of it, the more I think they got the essence of Trek and the characters right.
Everyone has been talking about Urban being spot on for Bones, and I totally agree.
But I tell you what; what I am seeing from Pine as Kirk is incredible. He is nailing it. The intonations, the expressions, the body language, the cockiness, the defiance. It’s like he’s playing Kirk perfectly, but in no way is he mimicking Shatner.
I never thought someone else other than Bill Shatner could have played James Kirk, but man, I have got to say that from what I have seen so far, Chris Pine is the guy to take the torch. Casting him was a brilliant move.
Maybe he did not want to mimic Shatner, nor is he really, but it seems to me that he has studied the character to the extent that he has become Kirk at this young stage of Kirk’s life.
Here’s another thought: maybe it’s precisely because Kirk is so iconic, so rich a character that he is almost like an historical figure? This may sound silly, but when actors portray Abraham Lincoln, they almost always portray him in the same manner, regardless of the actor, and I have seen a number of actors portray Abraham Lincoln really well. Maybe James Kirk has become so embedded into our culture that it’s almost like playing some sort of historical figure. Just thinking out loud here trying to get my mind around Pine’s portrayal of Kirk, which seems to be so spot on.
Of course, not to mention, that Pine seems to be quite a talented actor.
I think, Chris moves and talks like the original Captain Kirk…..
Every subtle nuance and choice dissected?
check.
It certainly was a tall order these filmmakers took on.
I hereby start a petition for the second STAR TREK movie to include the green shirt. Pine’s obviously got it. So bring on the green shirt!
Any votes of support?
Harry Ballz #146
Don’t blame him if that is true. Shatner should have been involved in this film.
That is my one and only major bitch about this film.
This movie looks amazing. I hope they make many more movies with this cast and crew. The look and feel of the movie is so awesome in my opinion. Just wow…
The Real Stanky McFibberich wrote: “Some of you are just so dead-set on liking this no matter what, that you don’t want to hear any opposing views or opinions, regardless of whether or not they have merit.”
Some of YOU are just so dead-set on NOT liking this no matter what, that you ignore any opposing views or opinions, regardless of how rational they may be.
I don’t give a rat’s rear how long you or anybody else here has been posting on whatever-God-knows-forum, it’s frikkin’ goofy to talk about how much you’re disappointed in a movie before you have even seen it. Period.
I am basing my favorable opinion on the clips I have seen and the reviews I have read – that’s it. Plus, I have an open mind. Plus I am not so consumed that I can’t bear the thought of some sound on the bridge changing, or whatever.
Transformers was okay, but I am not into Lost or Mission: Impossible or Cloverfield. SO I AIN’T drinkin’ JJ Abrams’ kool-aid. It’s not that Abrams can’t do wrong, it’s that he apparently didn’t do wrong when he made THIS movie (at least that I can see yet).
#161
I agree. Pine’s performance as Kirk appears to be superb!
#135
I don’t have the time to dig thru YouTube/Hulu clips, but Spock spent a great deal of TOS being grumpy and/or annoyed. He also smiled, yelled and smelled pretty flowers.
#156
That’s a very selective viewpoint. I see plenty of people hurling insults both ways. Of course the majority of people visiting a website dedicated to the new movie will be in favor of the new movie. This cannot be shocking to anyone.
That being said, Stanky has been here from day 1 and has never felt a need to insult those that disagreed with him, so let’s please pay him the same respect back.
143. SPB – April 8, 2009
“#114 -Try again. Those episodes are only credited to DC Fontana as “Story by” and NOT “Teleplay by.” Big difference. Way to completely miss the point of my argument, too”
You got me there…
But, you’ve seen less than 10 minutes of dialogue, so your criticism is based on less than 10% of this movie. So you have less than 10% of an argument.
And most of the rest of us like what we’ve seen so far.
what’s a lens flare?
can you say lens flare?
smart people hate lens flares, idiots are to stupid to not be
offended by them.
lens flares can be recognized as artificial attempts to create a real environment, and should be despised by bright, intelligent people who have deep sensitivity to such blatantly obvious devices.
those who are not offended by lens flares are less intelligent than those who are, as you can clearly see by the lack of lens flares in the feature films they have made.
it is cool to hate lens flares.
i wish i hated lens flares, then i could critique the film properly.
but my retina does a similar thing, and it seems real to me, but i know that is a stupid thing to say.
i’m sorry.
i don’t understand crossfades either. they feel fake.
i don’t understand crossfades either.
144. Locke for President – April 8, 2009
“Either that, or I did a little too much LDS back in the 60’s as part of the free speech movement.”
LOL!
Nobody knows what’s been called “lens flare” really is, its purpose, or how it fits into the scene or scenes. I don’t think it’s supposed to be lens flare, IMHO.
#116 really makes a good point. For some reason, just when TNG was improving, it became really sedate.
I was hoping the lens flares wouldn’t be an issue, but obviously they are turning out to be an issue. Personally i’ll learn to live with it. Maybe it won’t be as bad on the big screen. I remember Transformers did similar things with lens flares too. It’s a little thing which the movie would be fine without. But they’re there, so lets just enjoy the story, drama, action and acting of this new Star Trek adventure!
Wow, the doors sound like the movie phasers. Spock seems very angry. Nimoy’s often seemed sort of amused.
Maybe Spock’s edginess is due to Pon Farr?
:-P
@90 “All you can do is whine and stink! you people are pathetic! Lens flares WAAAAAAH, and “I don’t like Quinto’s acting out of the 18 words I have seen him speak!” Get a life! this movie looks great! Lens flares are hardly noticeable. Time to get out of your mother’s basement guys! This movie is going to rock. Are we just afraid that some normal people might become Star Trek fans???? Is that it?”
I agree. We haven’t seen enough of the movie to judge it. I mean come on! Quinto got what, thirty seconds of speaking that we’ve seen? Let’s give the guy a chance! I don’t understand why so many people are so against a fresh approach to the franchise.
Cool scene.
I know a little tidbit about the film, there’s a build up of foot protection in this new timeline because that’s how far everyone’s socks are going to be knocked off!
Who is Cyrano Jones?
I saw his name in Star Trek World Premiere with Leonard Nimoy.
“Awasoruk Jam”
written and performed by Cyrano Jones
courtesy of Bad Robot Music and Video LLC
Towel: nice Hitchhiker’s reference.
I am going try to view this as a fun Elseworlds version of Star Trek.
With way too many lens flares. >;>}
I wonder how many people hated the movie since the beginning, and aren’t willing to man up and admit they like it now.
161,168: I agree about Pine. Initially, I was unsure of him as Kirk. But the clips so far look pretty good.
Light glare was annoying. Cool scene though. Scotty was like WTF?
@172
HAHA nice reference..everytime he says that, i always picture spock as a mindless druggie..
I loved Pegg as Scotty, but his role was too brief. Seriously, it is smaller than Spock Prime’s.
K i havent been reading much on this…but when Kirk meets Old Spock on Delta Vega, does Spock reveal that he is spock from the future? and is that his only scene in the movie?
The notion that people, and Starfleet officers in particular, conduct themselves better in the future is a key ingredient of Star Trek.
It would _appear_ that this idea has been abandoned.
If so, this will appeal to the masses. Idealists and rationals need not apply.
An opinion. To each their own. Be well, have fun!
#187 … Spock Prime has several scenes in the movie. He comes in really late, though.
“Are you a member of Starfleet?”
“Uh…yes…can i get a towel?”
I L’dOL…oh man, Simon Pegg FTW he’s perfect for the role.
This is going to be the best movie this year
Simon Pegg asking for a towel is a nice nod to Douglas Adams…
The movie is shot on film with anamorphic lenses, hence the constant lens flares in areas with direct light sources like the bridge…
188
“The notion that people, and Starfleet officers in particular, conduct themselves better in the future is a key ingredient of Star Trek.”
That was a notion begun in the Next Generation. That because of the end of war, of money, of crime etc, the populace of Earth evolved beyond pettiness and greed. That is a hundred years after the setting of this film. In TOS people were still fallible, still imperfect but striving towards betterment. In TOS Kirk recalled many fistfights with a fellow cadet named Finnegan, he recalled various bars he’d been to on various planets, he joked often about sexist things like wanting to “spend time on a beautiful [looked at a girl's figure, smiles] planet”. The one thing that this team of filmakers is getting right is that TOS was imperfect, violent, dirty, emotional, sexy and fun.
#75 – I’m afraid I have to disagree. Though Quinto was the casting choice that had me most stoked when this project first got under way, he has so far not been giving me good vibes as Spock.
#176 nailed it on the head – Quinto’s Spock seems to be on edge/dangerous in nearly every scene we’ve seen in the trailers/TV spots so far, whereas Nimoy’s Spock always seemed sort of amused… aloof… or simply ALIEN, as he should be.
Right now, McCoy is dead on, Kirk delivers the goods, Uhura is nothing like the original and in a good way, and Spock has me somewhat worried I’ll be seeing nothing but Sylar with pointy ears throughout this movie.
Perhaps we’ve just been catching glimpses of his character out of context – maybe we’ve only been shown scenes in which Kirk has managed to apply Spock Prime’s directions on how to get young Spock seriously on edge. Here’s hoping…
Enough already about this so-called reboot. I’m sick of contrived and convenient time travel plots, starships built on Earth, younger actors filling in for the original actors (and in sex scenes at that), the iBridge with bar code readers, water pipes (?), strange bridge noises, beeping phasers, too much Spock makeup, and lens flares. This movie is a bomb, and we’re setting ourselves up for a major disappointment from which Star Trek will never recover.
-You gotta be kidding.
As I recall, wasn’t Nemesis our major disappointment? Wasn’t it the nail in the coffin? Weren’t we embarrassed, and even saddened, with that? Didn’t we realize then in our gut that Star Trek–at least as we had always known it–was over? I for one was depressed, and it wasn’t just due to a Picard clone that didn’t look like Picard or the constantly predictable plot of being “the only ship in the quadrant” to resolve the crises.
No, my sadness was on a deeper level. I came to realize that not only was I getting older, but Star Trek was getting older. With Star Trek, however, its age–along with a sense of tiredness and routine–was now showing itself on the big screen. Age lines were showing through too much makeup, and the actors looked like they needed to spend more time in the gym than on a starship bridge. I felt bad and embarrassed for *them* because I could walk away and (try to) forget about it, but for them it’s there on the screen for an eternity and for all to see. Their special moment in Trek, along with their youth, had passed.
And these were just the TNG actors. As much as I might have wanted to fantasize about it, Shatner and Nimoy darting around the galaxy in their wheelchairs wasn’t exactly compelling action movie material. Nor would a Sulu movie would bring back the masses. And thank god that direct to DVD Star Trek never materialized because that would spell the eventual end of it all.
Before this new movie was announced I could comfortably bring myself to live with the fact that the Star Trek I’ve grown up with is yesterday’s Star Trek, and that we should cherish the (many) good moments and memories we were lucky to have. I had resigned myself to the real truth that any further movies with the TNG crew or the TOS crew would not only be commercial failures but would bring further embarrassment to the franchise and to the Trek Community. As much as I love Star Trek I was desperately hoping we wouldn’t try to relive the past, because reliving the past would harm our chances for continuing the saga for a new, younger generation.
I, for one, am ready to witness my kids’ Star Trek. It may or may not be mine, but I can live with that and maybe even put aside thoughts of having my beloved show radically altered in front of my eyes. I’ll try not to feel it is blasphemy, and I’ll try not to feel like a victim of the studio suits that are messing with my baby (once again). Most of all, I’m just hoping that I won’t feel old.
But it will definitely be my children’s Star Trek, and maybe they’ll like it. Maybe it will hold meaning for them after they leave the theater. Maybe they’ll carry it with them for days, months, or even years regardless of what comes next. And, hopefully it will help them someday understand how a simple, outdated TV show had such a lasting impact on their old man.
If you can’t bring yourself to appreciate this (possibly only) opportunity to bring Star Trek back for us and the mainstream audience, then stay at home and watch your DVDs. Relive the great moments. But from what I’ve seen so far Abrams has changed the Star Trek that we knew…and made it even better. I hope so for my kid’s sake. And I, for one, will be indebted to him–and the studio–for breathing new life into a wilted franchise.
And just maybe, with this movie I’ll feel …young.
Well at least now I know that the last shot of Spock saying “you will answer me” is the same shot in the second trailer when he says “I will not allow you to lecture me” which means the shot is going to be different
76 – Have others noticed – I know this is a silly question – how much Nimoy’s vocal register lowered between TOS and ST:TMP?
Its probably more due to heavy smoking and drinking (Nimoy had a drinking problem) than technique.
This is crazy. I don’t mind the wait so much, but how am I going to get through another month without reading any spoilers or see 30% of the movie in clips. :) MUST AVOID TREKMOVIE.COM !!!!
Man Karl Urban is supreme — he IS McCoy.
Deforest Kelly wouldhave been proud
I want Patrick Stewart worked into the sequel somehow. Eff Shatner.
Watch Kirk with the volume off. There’s a lot of the Shat going on in the body language. It’s very subtle…but…theeeere. I like it.
So…Douglas Adams was right about the towel?
Mrs. Doubtfire, pray the Shat will show you mercy. I wouldn’t want to be in your shoes right now.
201. Good one.
#151 taunt me:
I posted in #148:
“Stanky has always been trying to look on the bright side of this movie, for years now. Why don’t people see that? It’s a mystery. I just don’t understand it.”
I gather my sarcasm was too subtle and it eluded you.
One last one before sleep. If I can get over Quinto’s tenor and the Funky-looking Enterprise I think I’m gonna love this movie. And, oh yeah, Uhura is freakin’ hot! Day-um.
You know, by the time the movie is out, someone will be able to edit together a rough copy because of all the clips out.
Imo, in this movie Spock is struggling to bury his emotions. It’s an early stage of his total logic life. Throughout the series and the movies, Spock changes a lot, and in Countdown we see a Spock that finally has learnt how to accept and use both sides of his split personality.
My take on it is that Stanky wants Trek unchanged, and that anything that deviates from TOS is bad. For example, the only thing he likes is the uniforms. The uniforms seem to have changed the least of all. I don’t believe it was ever about an objective evaluation of the movie on its own terms. If you decode it, I believe, the Stanky’s formula is as follows: The more unchanged=good. The more changed=bad. That’s about it. Stanky’s been negative, but clear and consistent. The only time he has been inconsistent is when he said he wanted to like this movie. I don’t believe it was ever about liking or dislike this movie. I think it was always about wanting Trek to remain undisturbed, unaffected, and unchanged, by the the “currents, eddys, and backwash” of time.
And look at Spock’s face when Kirk refuses to answer his question. Awesome!
Lens flare is actually refreshing if kept to a minimum, in comparison to those painfully long dark drab scenes…
@206
You would think so eh?
however how many clips did “The Dark Knight”
release? 12? i was still surprise by the movie
The lens flares are a great touch!
I just got a chance to check out all the clips (bandwidth issues last few days), and I must say, the dialog and delivery are A LOT better than I feared they might be, and even exceed my expectations. There is a certain crisp wit to the exchanges that elevate them above average “brainless” action.
Quinto is SPOT ON, Pegg is humorous but not ridiculous, and Pine feels right despite there being perhaps a tad too much drawl in his voice (sort of a combination of some Valley Boy with a touch of Southern). One thing I’ll definitely praise Shatner’s Kirk for, when he wasn’t doing the out-&-out Shatnerisms (and most of the time, he wasn’t), Shatner’s voice had a nice neutral dramatic quality to it.
OK -so MTV can’t show the clip outside the US for copyright reasons – that doesn’t stop them showing you the ad for “Monster v Aliens” BEFORE they tell you that-??? They hold my attention for the ad but can’t show me the clip that financied it? Isn’t that a bit like stealing my time?
Gripe over. I LOVE the two clips I can see.
Scotty! I like him more every time I see him! “Uhm yes… can I get a towel please?” so hilarious! I like this guy… he’s exciting!
@214 I’m in germany and I can watch every clip here ;)
I actualy like the lense flare effect.
I want hours and hours of making offs in the DVD!!!!
The lens flares are just used for effect, people. It’s not “sloppy” because it’s intentional. From the standpoint of cinematography, I believe they are used to complement the desaturated, high-contrast photography — the combined effect, along with the glossy textures, is to evoke a futuristic, hyper-sterilized environment. It may not all be your cup of tea, stylistically, but it’s anything but “sloppy”. I bet they had to get extra takes to achieve just the effect they wanted.
44. The Original Spock’s Brain
If you do not know who Michel Brault is, then you don’t understand or appreciate the origins of the style in which the bridge scene is shot or that this currently popular (and, some would argue, overused) style is more than 50 years old. But what do I know? I’m just a troll.
156- I do get that tought that when you mention something that concerns you about the film that you are not a true Star Trek fan, Everyone here is a Star Trek fan. A lot of us are excited but the changes made do have us concerned that something of Trek that we grew up with has been lost.
As the film is not canon, I can accept the film as a separate entity and enjoy it for what it is.
The 3rd clip is good, not seeing Pegg as Scotty in the clip as not hearing the accent and Spock seems a little too emotional, but Quinto did say this is Spock not being able to keep in control.
I am still looking forward to seeing the film, but still annoyed by the changes.
@221
“As the film is not canon”
woah woah woah woah woah…im confused, how is the movie not canon?
OMG, Spock’s gonna bale out in front of his father.
@222 Because in his little World he says so?
I don’t where he got that… must be the work of those die-hard haters :)
The Movie is canon, as every other movie before it… it is just a twisted timeline, nothing more…
#221 “As the film is not canon, I can accept the film as a separate entity and enjoy it for what it is. ”
The movie is not canon? I don’t think so. If Paramount decides it’s canon… well… it’s canon :)
shot of love? so the ikki twins are officially in the movie?
People need to find better, more pressing things to worry about than lens flares and what sound a bloody lift makes!
As to the guy that reckons this film isn’t canon- if it comes from Paramount Pictures it is canon. Official.
Don’t like it? Stop being a Star Trek fan altogether if it fecks you off that much because if you get annoyed about the little things that actually don’t matter so much in the great scheme of themes then you will never enjoy ANYTHING in life.
Not really very pleased with the Bridge sounds, and the turbolift sound. Feels very tacky and a bit stuck on to just please the fan-boys.
“Lens flare” will soon be the Star Trek fandom equivalent to “cowbell.”
I don’t personally care one way or other about the lens flare, but I’m still struggling to adjust to a Spock that has so little depth to his voice.
It isn’t Zach Quinto’s fault; it looks like he’s really putting his shoulder into the acting, there. You can’t _force_ yourself to have vocal gravitas; it’s a gift rather than a skill.
It’s just such a crucial component of Spockness :/ And really, he’s the only character where the voice is important to me (with Scotty and Chekov, some sort of accent is important, but not the actual voices … with Uhura, a pleasant voice is important but it could be any of a dozen kinds of pleasant voices … Kirk just needs to be able to talk. But SPOCK …).
Speaking of vocals, though: Karl Urban _almost_ veers into young Jack Nicholson there right around the “Andorian Shingles” part :)
C’mon guys, how about we wait until the movie comes out before we start questioning every little detail. We’re still very uninformed to the main details of the movie. Let’s just enjoy these scenes were getting without formulating reviews. We’re all Trek fans here; lets act like it.
# 225
captain_neill is right! This movie has nothing to do with the old Star Trek universe (TOS – ENT), despite all the explanations from Bob Orci. Canon is only what you see on tv or the big screen – additional background information from the creators and some comic books don’t count.
I you let the alternate-universe-plot away, there are many things left, that won’t fit with the old universe:
1.) The USS Kelvin is looking far more advancend than the USS Enterprise from TOS, nor does the Kelvin predates in any form the TOS-design, it predates the new movie-design (look at the NCC-number and its style). It fits for the TMP-era but not for an era 30 years before TOS.
2.) Vulcan don’t look like the TOS Vulcan, the TOS-R Vulcan or the TSFS/TVH Vulcan. The big Vulcan City don’t even resemble juste ONE of the real huge buildings shown in ENT or the Shir’Khar-City in TOS-R. And since when Vulcan has a blue sky? Not in the old Star Trek universe (TOS, TMP, TSFS, TVH, ENT), as far as I remember.
3.) Nero and his followers don’t look like Romulans form the 24th century. Their look represent the TOS Romulans. Not that I don’t like it, but it don’t fit for the 24th century Romulans.
4.) Leonard Nimoy’s appearence and some quotes like “Admiral Archer’s damn beagle” just makes that movie not a part of the old universe. That’s far too few to make that movie part of the exsting canon.
My conclusion is, that this movie startet in an entire new Star Trek universe, alternates this universe and (because I don’t have seen that movie yet) maybe will repair this new universe. For my sense this Trekmovie is in no way part of the exsting canon – quantum theory or not.
#231 “For my sense this Trekmovie is in no way part of the exsting canon.”
You are right, it defines its own new canon and, let’s face it, if the movie is successful this will be the *current* canon for every new Trek production. There is no sense in investing so much money to restart the franchise and get new fans, only to let it all down.
I hope so.
wow, pine’s pretty good.
231
Thank you. I am looking forward to the film but I was only commenting that because of the changes in the timeline that the writers were using this to take liberties with the canon.
I don’t think its canon to wipe 40 years of Trek. And I am not a hater, God its a bloody elitist club in here, say a negative comment about JJ Abrams and you are penalised for not being a true Star Trek fan.
By saying that this film is not canon was NOT me bitching about the film. Truth of the matter is that I am really looking forward to the film.
What I was saying is that because this is an alternate timeline then canon does not apply because the writers have used it as a freeing. So technically is this not creating new canon specific to this new universe.
Since this timeline is running parallel to the universe we love won’t canon in this new movie be different from what was established in TOS- ENT.
I love Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace but they have different canon to the previous 20 Bond films. I loved what Nolan did with Batman Begins and The Dark Knight but I treat it separate from the Tim Burton and Joel Schumacher ones.
I just believed they uses this to create new canon just tlike the current run of Bond and Batman films are doing.
Not a hater, in fact I am more excited about this film now.
Star Trek is the best show ever, just hope it is in good hands thats all.
#233 “wow, pine’s pretty good.”
Yes, I am impressed by what I see about him as Kirk. Now call me blasphemous but I think that, for the first time, we have a cast of actors that can really act. TOS and TNG stars were mediocre, I never liked the performance of Shatner and co. With the exception of Stewart, Nimoy and Spiner, the acting quality was very low, in my humble opinion.
Now look at Pegg’s facial expressions when Pine is trying to irritate Quinto. Fantastic!
236
Star Trek has always had a lot of great actors
Granted there are a few non memorable performances but for the most part all excellent.
Shatner may be hammy at times but I believe he is a better actor than people give him credit for. From that scene I seem to think he will make a great Kirk, but Shatner will always be the Kirk.
I meant Pine will make great Kirk.
Yeah well…….James T. Kirk was a great man, but that was another life…
#237
I was watching again STVI last night and I found a lot of wooden, unconvincing acting and a lack of energy. Maybe it was the advanced age of the actors.
41 Pete (standing in for all the “lens flare”-complainers)
Lens Flare is nothing that’s added in posts. Lens flare occurs when a light source emits light directely into the lens. That’s why it’s called “Lens Flare”, not “CGI Flare” or “Flare Effect”. It’s a stylistic element going back farther than the beatles movies, i think it’s even used in Classic Hollywood film before WWII, but the most prominent Lens Flare moments of movie history must have been in Leone’s Spaghetti Western, “Once Upon A Time In The West”, for example. While it looked “too much” for me in the bridge clip, too, i think thats mostly cause the FLV codec did not do a too god job in displaying the flares… we will see. On the big screen.
For now, don’t compare flares to Jar Jar or other postproduction effects, that simply shows that you have no idea what you are talking about.
@241
yea we were in need of fresh new actors
# 232 Paulaner
What leaves Star Wars as the last franchise with an ongoing continuity…
Well done, JJ!! :(
Despite that: That Spock/Scott-scene makes fun.
With those dozens of lamps on the bridge lens flare could hardly be avoided! I don’t like how they shine down in the crewperson’s faces. Strange placement there and un-needed.
Could someone please write what Scotty is saying around 0:27 in the first clip? I can’t understand what he is saying.
I meant the first clip on this site!
#235 “Star Trek is the best show ever, just hope it is in good hands thats all.”
Amen to that, captain_neill :)
@245 “Eh uhm yes, can I get a towel please?”
#231: There are two ways to look at the movie:
1. An extension of existing canon. In this case, the Enterprise in the new movie would look completely obsolete by today’s standards (I mean, seriously, my freaking I-pod is more advanced than 24th century PADDs), it would appeal to a small fan base and in the long run, it wouldn’t change a thing. It would be a box office disaster along the lines of Nemesis, heavily criticised and would die out.
2. A literal reset button. They can go and change everything and all bets are off even for hardcore fans. It allows to retain the universe that we all love, but it starts all over again. Of course, this can go bad or great.
This second path is what JJ took, but in a way that respects those that have gone before. If there was no hero Kirk, then there would be no Organian treaty, then there would be no peace between Klingons and Federation, then there would probably be a space similar to Yesterday’s Enterprise, then there would be no Federation to have potential salvation for Romulus, then Nero wouldn’t be pissed about it, then there would be no new Star Trek. In a way, the new trek is the future, the culmination of old trek, but in the past.
To me it seems that we will be split into two groups – those die-hard fans that will NEVER accept new trek, no matter how good it is, a blasphemy on the franchise, because it’s visibly not the same as old trek and those of us who accept a “new and improved” star trek. From this point on, for us that accept it, all that will matter is whether JJ made a good movie or not. If he did, then Star Trek, a heavily sickened franchize, may well regain its strength and we may get more of it. If not, then… well, then no harm will have been done that Nemesis and other movies didn’t do.
“You WILL answer me!”
(subtext: I’ll suck your brains outa ur head)
Well, looks good for me. Let’s wait for the other 120 minutes…
#208
- I think it was always about wanting Trek to remain undisturbed, unaffected, and unchanged, by the the “currents, eddys, and backwash” of time. -
I can’t speak for Stanky, but your above statement more or less sums it up for me, dear! :)
_________________
ps: I’ve decided long ago to consider this film not canon, and nothing I’ve seen or heard so far has untaught me; and I don’t give a sh*it what Paramount or anybody else says…:D
Wow!
Adding to the lense flare discussion…..maybe there is a reason for this stylistic element…..who knows…anyone who has seen the movie?
So far I I am not yet sure what to think of it. It look pretty cool but I hope it isn’t overdone in the movie
Lens Flares Arent Canon!!!!!!!
:)
(Couldnt Resist)
Maybe JJ will let Nick Meyer direct the NEXT movie….how cool would THAT be?
Fangasm
re:208
“The only time he has been inconsistent is when he said he wanted to like this movie. I don’t believe it was ever about liking or dislike this movie.”
Just to be clear, this is what I said…. “but I come here regularly hoping to find something that will change my mind about it”
So, yes, nothing would please me more than to find something I like about it. It just ain’t happening.
@251 So you want that Star Trek remains an exclusive and elitist miniclub of Nerds and Geeks?
Well… someone there hasn’t embraced the Federation Ideals…
Ok… so now people don’t like a sound effect… it really is getting beyond a joke now with the nit picking… lordy lordy!
You people are all nuts watching these clips, ruining the movie for yourselves!
Soooooo sick of all the whining.
This movie is gonna rock, everybody needs to just get a grip, and stop the bitchin’!
JJ Abrams seems to love dose leans flares he dose them all the time in fringe
*those*
Lens flares, who cares?
I liked the various colored gels shined onto walls, for no real reason, on TOS. It’s called style. Iff JJ’s style is to utilize these “lens flares” that 95% of the mass audience won’t care about, so be it. It gives the clips I’ve seen an interesting look.
Lens Flares=Nipples on Batman=Flames on Optimus
Now, spread that comment around and make me famous!
Lens Trek!
Red Shirt from Fort Worth Out!
First there were whole threads devoted to barcode scanners. And now, ladies and gentlemen… lens flares!
I feel quite alone in not just not caring about the lens flares, but really really liking them. I think they add a nice touch… am I alone?
Total FILM just gave it 4 stars with an amazing review to go with it!
http://www.totalfilm.com/reviews/cinema/star-trek-1
…as far as the Pine, Quinto and Pegg go, as well as the new clips in general, I had to steal this from poster jonboc who posted it on another thread. It seems to sum it up nicely for me.
“These scenes are fantastic. After almost 20 years of being considered the corny old Trek that nobody watches, Kirk , Spock and McCoy – with the help of the very talented Supreme Court – are once again reminding the world WHY the original Star Trek was so beloved, respected and FUN!
Unlike TNG, which changed the whole recipe, and for the worse IMO, this movie seems to have all the right ingredients, just prepared in a flashier bowl. Serve it up boys, after years of current Trek stagnating in mediocrity, the world is hungry for a Trek that is smart, sexy, imaginative, adventurous and, most of all, FUN! Can’t wait to satisfy my appetite on May 8th….but all these fantastic clips and reviews are killing me…gonna be a looong month.”
The lens flares mean that the movie takes place in the future.
In the future, there will be bright lights everywhere because energy will be so cheap.
And anti-reflection lens coatings and tripods will be outlawed there too.
Pegg balances everything out nicely. Now I see why they cast him.
“93. DarthDogg
I dont know if it needs any more lens flare, but it could definetly use more Cowbell.”
Yesssss. That’s what’s missing! These clips are giving me a fever… a fever for more cowbell…
22. LMFAO!!!!!!
#256
Come now, you’re not calling one of the most influential cult shows of all time which has generated two of the most iconic heroes of the modern world, very well known among fans and non-fans alike; in short a TV series that has become generally famous and has remained so for 40+ years, an “exclusive and elitist miniclub of Nerds and Geeks”, are you? :)
#265 “I feel quite alone in not just not caring about the lens flares, but really really liking them. I think they add a nice touch… am I alone?”
You are not alone.
159. tauntme – April 8, 2009
… (not so much TOS, some of it was cringeworthy and plain bad) …
Dear tauntme,
I know the feeling. The Picard character still makes me cringe after all these years. He reminds me of the Marxist lecturers of my undergraduate political science classes and their prattle about the perfectibility of the state via the New (Soviet) Man. Shudder! (Did the political commissar hear me????)
:-)
Sincerely,
C.S. Lewis
#272 No Paulaner, your not alone. After watching the new Battlestar Galactica series with the zooming shots, lens flares and hand held cameras I found that it gives a feel of realness(if that’s a word) like someone is there documenting real events. It’s just amazing how anal some folks are. Try something new for a change.
These new clips are such a TEASE! I’m already hooked, just quit it!
However, the lens flares are VERY annoying. I don’t want the screen constantly flashing blinding white. Let’s hope those aren’t in the final cut, or at the very least they are toned down.
Damn, this is not CANON because the turbolift door sound is different!! I mean PLEASE…some of you guys really need a life…
# 249
There’s just black and white: Either you hate the new movie, or you love every aspect of it, right?
Oh, my goodness. So much sturm und drang about a movie that hasn’t been officially released yet, and only seen by a couple of hundred people (some of which had to sign NDAs before they could view it).
Let’s take this point by point, shall we?
Point #1 – This is a movie. It is a creative endeavor by a group of people paid by Paramount Pictures to put several hundred hours of film together in some understandable (and hopefully entertaining) fashion and make some money for the studio. It doesn’t matter whether it has Star Trek or some other words in the title. The bean-counters would say it’s all the same.
Point #2 – This is the creative vision of, at most, four or five people. Other folks were hired to take this vision and run with it. There was no democratic vote taken to decide whether to include lens flares, redesign the ship, or make Starbuck a female. (Oops, wrong show.) At any rate, he didn’t ask you, so get over it.
Point #3 – As I indicated earlier, only a relative handful of people on this planet have seen the movie in its entirety. While everyone is entitled to their opinion, uninformed opinions have little credibility. In other words, watch the movie before you decide whether or not you like it.
Point #4 – The world will continue to spin regardless of how well or how poorly this movie does at the box office. And it certainly will not fall off its axis if there are people out there who don’t like it.
(Corollary to point #4 – there are people out there who will troll on discussion boards like these, just to get a rise out of folks. Don’t encourage them.)
Let’s try and put this all into some sort of perspective, shall we? This movie will entertain a lot of people, that much is certain. It will also be reviled by others to whom science-fiction is anathema and who do not believe in little green men or “life out there.” That’s all well and good. That’s what makes the world go ’round. But consider – there’s a lot of noise being made over a movie, when there’s lots more of that energy needed in other areas. I like coming to this board to read the varied opinions, and even the arguments and name-calling, but at the end of the day it’s only a movie.
Now that that’s out of the way – I’m looking forward to May 8 with great anticipation, because it might be the first time my daughter actually goes to see a Star Trek movie without me dragging her kicking and screaming to the theater. o_O
#276 – Afterace, I think I love you!
@262 – I, too, like the use of colored gels to brighten up the scenery. In the 1960s, RCA was trying to sell color TVs, and nearly every show done during that time had some sort of colorful enhancement. Jerry Finnerman, the director of photography on the original Trek, was asked by Bob Justman to put splashes of color on the walls for that very reason. And since RCA owned NBC, which aired Star Trek, there was a certain “synergy” there. (Or, to be blunt, RCA told its network to live up to its “living color” claim.)
@263 – Another Texas boy, huh? I’m hoping this shows at the new Premiere theater in Burleson – that’s a nice place, and the seats are comfy (that’s where I saw The Dark Knight). Not so much a fan of the Palace in downtown FW – the theaters are too small.
Great clip! This is my favorite of all of the ones shown so far. Zach and Chris are both great in their roles, but Simon is my favorite. His facial expessions and mannerisms are so Scotty-like it is amazing. I know he doesn’t look very much like Mr. Doohan,but he will make this characte his own. The towel line had me dying laughing. I am so looking forward to May 8th.
#161:”But I tell you what; what I am seeing from Pine as Kirk is incredible. He is nailing it. The intonations, the expressions, the body language, the cockiness, the defiance. It’s like he’s playing Kirk perfectly, but in no way is he mimicking Shatner.
I never thought someone else other than Bill Shatner could have played James Kirk, but man, I have got to say that from what I have seen so far, Chris Pine is the guy to take the torch. Casting him was a brilliant move.
”
Absolutely Right™
first!!
(see how dumb that sounds kiddies?)
223. (thereare4lights)
//OMG, Spock’s gonna bale out in front of his father.//
LOL!
“You and me, we’re F&%^# done, professionally.”
There’s something about how Quinto says “me” at the end of a sentence that bothers me.. it’s the same in “you WILL.. answer me” and “I will not allow YOU to lecture me” …
“We have no captain and no first officer to replace him.”
I do find this odd though, although I trust the writers will have a good reason for not having a chain of command to follow AFTER the captain and first officer.
#286 … “I trust the writers will have a good reason for not having a chain of command to follow AFTER the captain and first officer.”
Ummm……
263 Red Shirt – “Lens Flares=Nipples on Batman=Flames on Optimus”
What we really need is to see Pine’s as Kirk with a strategically ripped shirt… that would be CANON and give us Star Trek nipples to be proud of!
^ (er, what happened? One more time.)
What we really need to see is Pine as Kirk with a strategically ripped shirt… that would be CANON and give us Star Trek nipples to be proud of!
289
i assume your nickname is/ are the ‘numbers’ from Lost? Has that ever been resolved as to the meaning of the numbers?
While i enjoy the show – with so many story lines, and the fact that it is hard to keep up over the years (that happens when your ’seasons’ are only 12 episodes long) – i find myself embracing the show’s title with respect to my understading of it. :P
you guys really need to stop worrying about stanky. he sat behind me in thrid grade, disagreeing with everyone to get attention. we realized he could never be pleased, so we would edge him on so that the teacher would get into long arguments with him.
the teacher would spend hours trying to get the stanks to behave reasonably while the rest of us would have a good time until the bell rang.
not really a bad guy, although he did smell a little bit like pee. i think he grew up to be a film critic, or a senator or something. i always felt a little sorry for him, alone on the playground at lunchtime every day.
now mang, he was a bully who took the little girl’s lunch money….
#251
Good for you! We all ultimately decide what’s ‘canon’ individually, don’t we? You can ditch the new movie, and I can go on ignoring TFF! ;)
Anyone notice that the redshirt with a goatee, behind Kirk, is the same guy who threatens him right before the bar fight? Anyone want to calculate the guy’s chances for surviving the movie?
#243
If you think Star Wars maintained continuity between the original trilogy and the prequels, you were watching different films than I was. Amazing how Obi-Wan aged 40 years in less than 19! Guess that Tatooine climate does no favors for your skin ;0
#58—”Sounds like an episode of Saved By The Bell.
“Tell me”
“Don’t tell him!”
“Tell me!”
“If you’re so smart you should know already!”
“Shut up Jerkface!”
Oh my…”
I must have missed that clip.
290 – You surmise correctly. I chose the numbers as my handle because I love season 2 of Lost best so far, though I love just about every episode from every season and the 5th season rocks!
The numbers never really got “explained” past the Hurley-Hatch connection, but they are just one element in one of the great themes of the show: coincidence versus fate (which is a sister theme to science versus faith and free will versus determinism). Are the numbers a coincidence, or a sign that Hurley was “meant” to play the numbers and eventually end up on the island with the hatch & its computer that requires those same numbers as a code? Hurley’s convinced it’s all part of his curse, but Locke would surely call it fate, and Jack would call it mere coincidence, so there are many answers, depending on the point of view of the person in question.
Since the 2nd season, Lost has moved more toward the notion that some kind of spatio-temporal anomaly (to use a Star Trek term) is responsible for the significance of the Flight 815 survivors to the island, so probably there’s a greater force at work that can explain everything that has happened. Currently, in season 5, the show is deeply immersed in time-travel issues and the gnarly predestination paradoxes that they entail. The time-travel/predestination paradox issues alone make the whole “coincidence versus fate” stuff all that more complex. Anyway, I’m sure the writers will not really fully explain the full nature of the forces at work until the end of the show, if then.
The thing about Lost for me is, I am fascinated by the “mythology” or overarching storyline, but I also enjoy the ride of each individual episode.
Reminds me more of Tuvok than Spock.
I like the lens flares. I have a decent camera with an expensive lens with antireflective coating and I still get them in my pictures – if you have a bright light source it’s very difficult to avoid them. To me it gives it a sense of realism. If the viewscreen on the bridge is actually a window with a HUD (which I haven’t seen anything about one way or the other, it’s just a guess) then having, say, a sun in view would do that. Bright spotlights would do it to.
I will say if lens flares and turbolift sound effects (and barcode scanners) are providing the majority of the complaints then there really isn’t much of substance to criticize about the movie – which is as it should be, considering we haven’t seen it.
Thorsten:
100% correct as usual ;).
219:
I agree but in addition lens flares can be added/ removed in post too without too much trouble. I don’t really have an issue with them, they add depth to the field of vision and look great with the anamorphic lenses if used correctly and sparingly. I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of them were just added in post for the trailers and tv spot to disguise the frame/scene changes as in some cases the switch might not totally sync up.
Urban has nailed Bones, as with Dee he’ll be the most loved of the new guys and gals, hell i’m loving the guy already from the clips and trailers.(in a purely platonic way!)
Pine and Quinto seem to have nailed it too, the bar scene with Uhura and the Starfleet Jocks is definitely something Kirk would do at that age. People are making ridiculous comparisons of Kirk in his early to mid twenties to the more mature and experienced Kirk we know. this film is all about the journey to that point.
the tag line for Nemesis was “a generations final journey begins…” well for me this film is “a generations journey begins…” and i for one can’t wait.
294. sean
Actually –
according to at least one source, Kenobi was 25 in Phantom Menace. 32 years later in New Hope, he would be 57. Guiness was 62 during the filming of New Hope. Pretty close…
@299…
Thanks, Colonel!
;))
I don’t care much for the shaky-cam fad myself; it’s one of the reasons I can’t watch more than 10 minutes of BSG. However, I have faith that JJ Abrams will make it work in this film… I hope, anyways…
#291- True, and Funny, and well said. Actually I’m more concerned that my beloved wife and I (Iowagirl) won’t be able to share any potential joy for the new movie. I married her to share joy in life….
But anyway, this Mang character…he has potential. Maybe a villain for the sequel. “Star Trek: The Wrath of Mang?” and then, “Star Trek: The Search for the little girl’s Lunch Money?”
Then a new storyline, after Mang is dispensed with. Maybe “Star Trek: Wrong Nacelle lights versus Lens Flares?”
273 – C.S. Lewis
Ah, your oft-repeated critical comments regarding the new movie, and really, everything in general, are explained: you live in an alternate reality. I’ve known literally dozens of poli-sci profs and many institutions in many parts of the country, as well as professors in every other discipline in the liberal arts. While many of them are or were indeed “marxist” (a term your commentary shows you have little or no understanding of in the academic sense) not one ever proselytized in class on the perfectibility of the state, whether via the “New Man,” the “New Soviet Man,” or otherwise. The fact you seriously represent this as a truth claim speaks volumes about you. We’d all prefer you confined your diatribes to subjects directly relevant to the new Star Trek film if you are going to write here at all, but I suppose some things are simply too much to hope for in any universe.
@301:
no problem, anytime. Us GD’s have to stick together! ;)
I find myself biting my tongue a lot at some of the posts that complain about those sort of things, as much as i’d love to write a 20 paragraph explanation of how it actually does work and make sense I just couldn’t be bothered because I know myself I don’t read a post past the first paragraph or two so i’m sure no-one else does! Besides I’m nearly 100% sure there won’t be half as many in the whole film as have been added to the trailers and tv spots purely to jazz them up a bit.
I can’t stop watching the new clips, Pine really has nailed it. From the reviews it seems Nero gets slightly short changed, I hope they have some deleted scenes for an extended edition that can flesh it out a bit more. It’s a difficult line to tread when you’ve got to hit a certain runtime and do justice to the central core of characters first and foremost.
Hopefully Sir Bob of Orci can enlighten us if he has the time in his hectic schedule of awesomeness… ;P
Great stuff!
Now to just tone down the bridge lighting and edit out the overused lens flares.
hey – is anyone else bothered by the lens flares? Since no one has brought it up yet, i thought i would…
#300
Eh, I think that’s a stretch but I could possibly buy it. How old is Luke supposed to be in “A New Hope”? 16? 17? That’s what the dialog suggests. I just find it very difficult to swallow all the changes that are supposed to have taken place over this incredibly short period of time. That aside, Star Wars is full of holes – minor ones before the prequels, major ones after. At least JJ is giving a valid reason why these new films won’t necessarily match what we’ve seen before.
I too am concerned about the new movie, canon, look, etc. And I too share the excitement and look forward to May 8th, but isn’t TOS set in an alternate timeline already? – The portrayed events of the 1990’s, Khan, and WWIII never come to pass. How do you reconcile this? Just wonderin’.
#303
lol. i wish you and iowagirl many wee bairns with contrary attitudes…
307. Spectrum of the Spock – April 9, 2009
hey – is anyone else bothered by the lens flares? Since no one has brought it up yet, i thought i would…
LOL!
#292
Yup – the ability to make up your own mind and the right to choose …Now you get it! :)
#303
There are so much other joys we can share, my husband, we don’t need a film to fill our marriage with love and laughter. Main thing is I won’t keep you from seeing it, and you won’t keep me from ranting and raving about it. Our differences will bring us even closer together.
#310
Sounds like…fun. :D
ps: I am NOT bothered by the lens flares…:D
I th nk message bo ds should start usin ens flar for added effect.
Don ou think?
- I really like the new clip..cool job..!!!
- This movie seems to be the most optimistic trek movie ever..!!!
#307
Hey, Spectrum, did you notice the barcode scanners too! Right next to the roll of gaffer tape. Or maybe they were obscured by a lens flare.
I can’t believe no-one else has spotted that….
And don’t get me started on the nacelles
This movie will be a big hit! Action, and adventure! But is it Trek or Star Wars? That’s what I worry about. So far, the clips that we’ve been able to see don’t blow me away. I hope the characters end up showing some redeeming qualities, because from these clips I don’t necessarily like any of them. Spock has no calmness, Kirk seems to be a jerk, and Scotty seems to be a wimp. Add to that the idiotic shaky camera movement and my excitement has been tempered.
However, there are always possibilities, and I hope I’m wrong about this.
I want Trek to be back, and more popular than ever, but if it has the depth of Star Wars then it really is Trek in name only. Trek always had intelligence (ignoring most of season 3) that is as much a part of the mythos as the names of the characters and the ship.
#316.
That’s been brought up a couple of times since the first bridge images were posted. Doesn’t make it any less jarring, tho. Kind of like The Tupperware Luke’s aunt uses in Star Wars, or the ice cream machine being carried in The Empire Strikes Back evacuation scene. “Paint it white. No one will recognize it.”
you know when we see the whole picture, the whole story then maybe just maybe we’ll find that lens flares and certain verbal inflections and a few different designs may not even matter…………just maybe. However I could be wrong,to some they might mean everything. I don’t know I’m just a dumb farmboy………what’s a bar code scanner?
311 – Boborci referenced one of my posts! i just fainted…
Seriously Mr. O – if you are still around…
Was any thought ever given to writing ‘Number One’ – Pike’s first officer in the original pilot – into the script?
Maybe she doesn’t fit within the time frame of this film, or altered timeline or whatever. Just wonderin’ :)
320 I was wondering that myself SotS. But would be cool if we saw her in some fashion, maybe first officer or even captain of another ship. Ever wonder what her real name was?
YOU GUYS ARE ONLY MAKING ME MAD THAT TODAY’S NOT MAY 7 AND IT’S NOT MIDNIGHT!!!!!
291. pock speared – April 9, 2009
” now mang, he was a bully who took the little girl’s lunch money….”
LOL. That might have been cooler.
Sadly, I was the kid in the back row writing stories instead of doing math.
But in my defense it was hard to see the chalkboard due to all those pesky lens flares.
Did I mention that all the actors seem great? Especially Pine and Urban.
rtf :(
321-
i think there was a whole story line with her in Novels. i think she was even immortal in those! I never read many novels – but surely someone here knows the details.
Speaking of – i did read a great collection of short stories a few decades ago. “Star Trek: The New Voyages”. Personally, i though they were great and felt like they could have been actual episodes.
One of my favorites had a twist. Shatner, Kelley, and Nimoy all somehow showed up in the *real* Star Trek universe and had to fake their way through it. I loved it.
here is a link:
http://www.amazon.com/New-Voyages-Star-Trek/dp/0553246364
These clips look great (apart from clip 2 which I can’t see). I am shocked by Urbain’s McCoy. It’s so similar, in character look, sound, mannerisms, and script. Same goes for the others, but McCoy is the most startling resemblance.
It seems to me that all the big bombshells were dropped early on that might upset some fans (Enterprise redesign, change of canon etc.) and now every time we see something of this movie, it just seems better and better.
I’m actually going to take my MUM to see this film. And that is saying something. She’s seen me grow up watching Trek, and never taken any interest. I don’t even think she would “get” TWOK. But I think this is going to be a film anyone can enjoy. This film is to Trek what Obama is to presidents.
#323 mang
hey, i was the kid next to you drawing spaceships. didn’t we get beat up together during fourth period once?
326. pock speared – April 9, 2009
That was you?!
To Those Who Are Not Interested in Alt. Universes, lens flares, Q’s higher voice range, Enterprise not built in San Fran, Kirk too young to be capt, Pegg not looking like Doohan, that this movie might not be as “deep” as, oh, “Spock’s Brain”, etc:
Too Bad.
Movie’s in the can, it’s done, the vast opinion so far from those who have seen it is that it is a good, good movie. Stop living in the past. You’re only bound to repeat it, including the death of Trek after the last movie. Time moves forward and so did Trek.
I will not disagree that the movie might have been made differently. But it wasn’t. Vote with your wallet, then.
And if you bitch and moan while sitting next to me, first in the theatre then in IMAX, be prepared to be very very embarrassed in front of a huge audience.
326,327
That reminds me of my first few years of high school. A friend of mine and i got so bored, we would play a game we simply called ‘WAR’.
You would start with a sheet of paper with a cartoon figure, stick figure, etc. with a smalk talking caption. Then the other would have to come up with an imagintive, witty way of destroying them through drawing of course. You would go back and forth passing the paper until you were out of ideas. some went on for days.
Good times.
(i think we only got caught twice…)
Spectrum of the Spock wrote: “i did read a great collection of short stories a few decades ago. “Star Trek: The New Voyages”. Personally, i thought they were great and felt like they could have been actual episodes.”
I read that, too. I thought they were good stories as well. I liked the one you referenced, and the one where Kirk had been mind-sifted by the Klingons. Good stuff.
lens flares and barcode scanners make the nacelles spin faster. it’s a QM thing.
#327.
yeah, that was me. marybeth moorehead used to spit on us from behind. i hear she’s fat now.
76. Try smoking for 10 years and see what it does to your voice. All they had to do was electronically modulate Quinto’s voice to give it a lower register, but I guess that’s just too much to ask for in a $150 million movie….
273. Did your profs cash their paychecks? Oops, not Marxists….
#328 Yeah, just think right now, some beings from the 29th century inspired by the works of Pseudo-CS-Lewis from the 21st century have at last perfected time travel. ;)
These beings are actively trying to steal all prints of Star Trek.
Meanwhile, the followers of 30th century Rahd’behrism (a fusion of Roddenberry and Ira Steven Behr worship) led by some future guy are actively trying to prevent them.
Unfortunately, we may see some minor changes in the universe around us, but worry not. Bob Orci might suddenly prefer Tostitos to Doritos. JJ Abrams might go by his new stage name “Cinnamon Abrams”. And Edward James Olmos *did* take the part of Juan Luis Picardo. But don’t worry, it’ll all be fixed in time for supper.
It was a good clip. The thing that stuck with me besides the acting was how bright the bridge is in this movie. Remember back to TMP when they couldn’t light up the bridge because it would put a glare on the screens? Now we have camera flares and a bright bridge. Weird huh? But I like the bridge to be well lit, a more positive approach. Oh and Scotty, a man should always know where his towel is.
328 has a point. the movie is in the can. But, AP has provided a great forum to voice thoughts of all kind here so don’t be so hard on folks eh?
they just want to vent and give their opinions.
For instance, i might have had prefered other cast choices like…
Kirk – David Beckham
Spock – Drew Carey
McCoy – Rev Jesse Jackson
Scotty – John Cleese
Chekov – Richard Simmons
Uhura – RuPaul
Sulu – Yao Ming
Pike – Mike Ditka
Nero – Corey Feldman
Old Spock – Rutger Hauer
#110 and all others complaining about lense flare: If you knew anything about photography you would know that lens flare is often a deliberate stylistic choice and is in no way “inherently bad” or anything of that sort. Yes, a few poorly placed len flares can be indicative of bad photography, but when there are used as deliberately consistantly and artistically as they are in the clips I have seen so far, they are not indicative of “sloppy photography” but rather of a stylistic choice. Whether or not you can appreciate that choice is another question all together.
Personally I love lens flares, especially the lens flares generated by anamorphic lenses.
everyone post a review!
http://twitchfilm.net/site/view/review-abrams-star-trek/
338. DarthLowBudget – April 9, 2009
“#110 and all others complaining about lense flare: If you knew anything about photography you would know that lens flare is often a deliberate stylistic choice”
Ya, I know. It’s in every scene so far and is distracting in at the very least the bridge clip. I’ll have to do a count.
#339 … I like the fact that in that link you posted, the reviewer refers to Sulu as “Solo!” Too funny. Sulu shot first!
I want to know what theater Tox is going to be in. This sounds like fun.
And pock is wrong about Marybeth. Although she does live up to her name. I’ve got some ofr her DVD’s.
I repeat:
Lens flares are caused by the lasers from Bar-Code scanners. It would be best to not stare at them for too long as it can result in blindness. Sadly there is no cure for Enzyte-enhanced nacelles. But Mrs. Enterprise doesn’t seem to mind. She is going in for a shuttle-bay refit soon.
Maybe Spock is a little too irritated when the scene begins, but I believe Nimoy would have delivered the patented arched eyebrow at Kirk’s failure to cooperate.
343
Yes but that would have been staying true to the characters or as some call it doing an imitation. Whatever you call it…either of which I could live with.
338. “…they are not indicative of “sloppy photography” but rather of a stylistic choice”
The point is…the flares are annoying. The semantics of it all don’t matter. These flares are indicative of poor set design, poor character placement and/or poor “stylistic choice.” Either way, poor.
On a related note…Sheesh! I’m complaining about the flares in the camera now? Why am I having to deal with flares? Are there more flares in the 23rd century? I’m amazed how much about this film I don’t like. I was open to the idea of younger actors to revitalize the roles but almost every other thing about this film turns me south. They had to work hard it and have literally pushed me away from new Trek.
345. McCoy – April 9, 2009
“338. “…they are not indicative of “sloppy photography” but rather of a stylistic choice”
The point is…the flares are annoying.”
Ding! Ding Ding! Bones we have a winner.
After a year or so of reading and posting to these forums, I’ve come to a conclusion.
I’ve decided to read every one of these forums from the bottom up. In this way, everyone goes from opinionated, belligerent and argumentative to being really excited at new clips.
;)
Poor is relative, one man’s trash is another man’s treasure.
241. Dr_Grip – April 9, 2009
Actually, lens flares can be added in post production. Adding “shakiness” to (sort of) simulate a hand held camera can also be added in post. Either can be used to distract the eye from, say, a mismatched cut.
Look at the “Shot of Love” clip just after Pine says, “Well, not only…” A lens flare just happens to occur at the beginning of Uhura’s laughing reaction shot at which point her head is turned at a completely different angle than in the previous shot. So, she either spun her head 90 degrees during the lens flare or the lens flare is there to cover the mismatch in continuity.
I’m not criticizing, just observing how certain techniques can be the filmmaker’s “friend.”
…and “A Hard Day’s Night” is known as pioneering example of the use of “cinema verite” techniques (developed in documentaries only a few year before) in a narrative film.
Yeah, there are definitely worse movies to stylistically imitate than Hard Day’s Night.
348. “Poor is relative, one man’s trash is another man’s treasure.”
Wow. You’ve been looking forward all your life for a film that would use a ton of flares? Dude, you’re over-defending the film. Take a deep breath. Shakey cameras and flares all over are the hair bands from the 80’s. They are fluff and distractions.
From designs, character history and now filming technique, this movie has been an experiment of “how different can we be?”
What a freaking waste of what came before.
I really, really hope that the majority of the film is not done with hand held/shakey camera work.
Hmmm. Maybe I can get into this. Maybe this is being hip. Kind of makes me want to go to see the film in the theater…with a flashlight. Whenever there’s a flare, light up the flashlight and start blinding people in the audience. You know, interactive Trek —or dare I say Rocky Horror Trek Show!
353. McCoy – April 9, 2009
“Hmmm. Maybe I can get into this. Maybe this is being hip. Kind of makes me want to go to see the film in the theater…with a flashlight. Whenever there’s a flare, light up the flashlight and start blinding people in the audience. You know, interactive Trek —or dare I say Rocky Horror Trek Show!”
Brilliant! And whenever someone say’s McCoy’s name everyone yells “Dammit Jim I’m a Doctor not a Moonshuttle conductor!”
We come in peace, shoot to kill shoot to kill…
Trekee Lens Flare Picture Show.
Would like to add, that “clip 3″ where Kirk meets Spock, is now on Apple’s homepage.
@343
This is “Young Spock” who Kirk is supposedly trying to make angry at “Old Spock’s” suggestion. I think the arched eyebrow would be more indicative of “fascinating,” which is probably not how “Young Spock” would react in the face of blatant defiance. “Fascinating – they will not answer my question.” That doesn’t work for me.
That cadet that makes Bones take his seat has a saucy little walk, no?
@344
Sarcasm noted!
@351
The flares aren’t inherently “poor.” You’re reaching here.
After watching the clip in HD on the apple site I have absolutely no beef with the lens flares what so ever!! Its just the poor quality youtube vid thats the issue imo!!
Woop cant wait!
360: “@351. The flares aren’t inherently “poor.” You’re reaching here.”
Well, I said “tons of flares.” Tons of flares are poor.
But the larger thing is that I feel clear-minded here….not negative for negative’s sake. And I’m blown away how they had to change the filming style too. What they’ve done here is not just about “story.” It’s all about being different. On almost every level. Maybe the other location shots are different and we’re just seeing the results of the lights in the bridge—they were lame way before we saw this scene. So maybe the distracting flares are limited to the bridge.
Gah, Pegg really sounds english delivering those lines. That’s not how any scot would say “towel”, and an “aye” rather than “yees” would have fit nicely…
Just watched in on Apple’s site too…
The flares are still annoying.
@362:
Nah, they’re everywhere… in the space scenes, in the bar, in the shuttle, outdoors. It was obvious already from the first trailer, so either you live with it or you don’t.. no use hoping for them to be limited to a few scenes.
Can someone tell me what type of phobia Dr McCoy says he has. It’s hard to make out. It sounds like aithy phobia?????
@366:
Aviophobia – fear of flying.
@ 363 – He is a 23rd? century engineer Scottish engineer not a stereotype
#368… Well said! … very well said!
@368, yeah, but I suspect even 23rd century scottish engineers do tend to speak with a consistent accent within a few minutes, and it’s the contrast to how he delivers “I like this ship – it’s exciting!” (which arguably happens no more than minutes later) that bothers me. Anyway, it’s just a minor nitpick :)
I love the reference by Scotty to the towel, this humour is charming, not obscene or crude – so props to the writers. I also like the connection to Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy. :P Haha.. classic sci-fi
“A towel… is about the most massively useful thing an interstellar hitchhiker can have. Partly it has great practical value – you can wrap it around you for warmth… use it to sail a mini raft down the slow heavy river Moth; wet it for use in hand-to- hand-combat; wrap it round your head to ward off noxious fumes… wave your towel in emergencies as a distress signal, and of course dry yourself off with it if it still seems to be clean enough.
More importantly, a towel has immense psychological value… What the strag (a non-hitchhiker) will think is that any man who can hitch the length and breadth of the galaxy, rough it, slum it, struggle against terrible odds, win through, and still knows where his towel is is clearly a man to be reckoned with.”
Scotty is very in-character here, charming and humble, almost desperate to obey his Captain’s orders. Nice clip.
But still hate the flairs. :P
Orci, JJ, anyone…. There seem to be a lot of comments on the lens flairs… Maybe one of the crew could let us know why this choice was made, in addition to the hand-held shaky camera. I’d love to know what the intention behind these distractions was? Maybe then I’ll appreciate it a little more… ?
Ok, I’m posting way too much here, but I’m sick and in bed and bored.. so, sorry :)
@372:
Lensflares, glare, glow, depth-of-field and HDR imaging together with rapid cuts, shaky cameras, motion blur etc. are almost mandatory design elements of modern, action-oriented filmmaking. Michael Bay is surely “to blame” for this development to some extent, but the fact remains – it’s what the “MSN generation” excepts to see.
Frankly, the _extreme_ use of big, horizontal lens flares is what makes this movie stand out from the rest, imagingwise. It’s almost over the top, and I choose to view it as a far-fetched homage to TOS’ sometimes extreme take on the cinematographic tropes of the 60ies..
If Zoe takes anything more off I’m gonna need a towel too. LOL
This might be interesting, regarding the flares:
http://categoryd.blogspot.com/2008/07/making-visible-apparatus.html
I want lens flares in my room. Now.
372. pinky – April 9, 2009
Many have commented correctly as to the intention. JJ and the amazing Dan Mindel wanted to make the bridge feel real, with real sources of light.
I like the lens flares. Watch TOS and there are all sorts of camera effects of light. How many times did Kirk walk into a perfect beam of eye light. How about the purples and blues behind the character. JJ has taken some liberties and I can’t wait to see the rest of the movie!
378.
You may like them but here’s no way these lens flares harken back to TOS.
I was an avid photographer back in the 70’s and 80’s and sometimes the effect of a lens flare is exactly what I was aiming for and you have no idea how difficult it is to get it just right. Don’t know enough about motion pictures to understand the principles but from a stand point of trying to achieve a certain effect I would think it would be very difficult so as to not overwhelm the shot. Looks like I’m going to have to see the movie a few times, one to enjoy it and some to analyze it all. I’m such a geek!
the lens flares aren’t half as annoying as the cheesy tv dialogue
Um… what happened to Scotty being Scottish?? Pegg sounds decidedly very english. And not just the accent, as others had said saying ‘yes’ instead of ‘aye’ (something actors more firmilar or comfortable with the accent would have done naturally IMO). Short clip though, so I’ll reserve judgement for a long scene that gives him more of a chance…
Otherwise… LOVES IT!! They’re killing me with all these taster clips! Seriously, it’s like sweet torture… I need to see this movie NOW!!!!
@368 ProperTrekkieUK
Saying ‘aye’ is not a sterotype, its just very Scottish (aka normal). As for how to prounouce ‘towel’, again, not a sterotype, the character is supposed to have a Scottish accent and did not in this clip.
337 – your re-casting is absolutely hilarious. I’m still laughing. RuPaul?
RTF = Real Trek Fan
It’s a signature that follows every complaint about canon, casting, art direction, set design, lens flare, vocal pitch, sound effects and the heartbreak of psoriasis.
If you enjoy coming to this site to celebrate a new chapter in the long legacy of Star Trek…just ignore any post with it. I’m not saying people aren’t entitled to their opinions, but this particular group seems to argue simply because that’s what they do. Kind of like Tellarites.
(I hope I spelled that right. I wouldn’t want a Talifan coming down on me for trying to change established canon.)
#304,
From the bottom of my heart, thank you. Can you imagine such a lecture actually being delivered in any poli-sci class after, say, 1972? Mr. “Lewis” is, as the saying goes, full of it.
328.
Just because this movie was made after all other Treks, does not mean it’s the best. Just because this team purposely changed everything except the names, does not mean it’s the best. It does not mean they made the right decisions. Moving forward does not equal better product.
#337
LOLOLOLOLOLOL.
And being a Chicago Bears fan, Da Coach as Pike is a killer.
“Get yer mouth shut, farm boy”
Lens Flares….Ok….This isn’t a matter of aesthetics, but my viewing experience suffered as a result. I think they look kind of cool, but they wash out the image on the screen and it just comes across as a techical problem with the film and nothing artistic.
Canon? Enterprise sorf of ruined it for ST canon, so I can deal with the ENT insignia on every uniform, big nacelles, Enterprise built on earth, etc.., but I have to say something when it hampers the viewing experience.
Supreme Court, is there any way for you guys to tone these down for practicalities sake? They make these scenes confusing
#387
I agree with your opinion 1,000%. But to opine that changes are bad or, at this time, expecting a change in the movie itself is pretty silly.
To expect a new movie, with new administration and vision, after Ent. and Nemisis, not to change look/view is also silly.
I accept and understand why some want no change. I too like the “old Trek vision”. Or why is might be necessary to shoot a movie geared toward current filmgoers, of which I am not, being an original Trekker from way back when. But I look forward to this new vision.
I have my expectations. I never pre-quess a film and never state afterwards what should have been done differently. I let the creative vison of others play out and either I like it or I don’t and I’ll explain why either way.
It’s being open to other opinions and creative visions.
If I, or anyone else, thought we could do a better job, then we should go out and do it. Instead of taking dumb shots at 4 minutes of film.
A friend of mine, who is excellent at disecting a story, does this. His problem is that he doesn’t understand how a movie is put together, dealing with suits, marketing, trailers, editing, dialogue, why a movie is formed the way it is. It makes discussion with him difficult bec. our frames of reference are different. His analysis of a story is spot on but he cannot fathom why movies are made the way they are.
It’s easy to take shots at the orig TOS, for bad dialogue or cheezy sets and SFX. Problem with that assessment is Trek 1966 was a reflection of pop culture, tv writing and acting of it’s time. It was a product of it’s culture then. As bad as the SFX were, they were state of the art in television for it’s time. That is a fact, not an opinion. It has become dated because everything becomes dated.
As I said, vote with your wallet.
And thanks for an intelligent differing opinion. I like it.
If Bob Orci is around…
Mr. Orci, can you please tell me where the women wear their rank insignia? From what I can see so far, they don’t. All the men have long sleeves and ranks, and the women…well, seem to have bare legs and bare arms instead of insignia.
Where do the women show their rank?
192:
Good point about Finnegan. I know that TOS humans weren’t as unerring and dignified (and sometimes a touch too sterile – I liked the DS9 take) as TNG era humans, but I definitely got the sense that they were doing better than we… like they were on the verge of a major enlightenment.
I think that, in TOS, Uhura would’ve slapped someone over the tongue comment… or turned her back and walk away. I guess Chekov would probably be looking to kick the jerk’s butt on her behalf…
I suppose I was just really turned off because almost everything in these clips had some degree of obnoxious behavior.
The Wrath of Khan didn’t need that. I guess everything is a product of its time, though. I liked the little science vs. military thing in TWoK, for instance.
Maybe the movie will redeem these clips, and more, but I didn’t like them. The riveted pipes and slapsticky Scotty scene rubbed me the wrong way, too.
We’ll see. Peace!
Obviously Scotty needs to read the Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy.
Guys…sorry about that…..but my computer sound is not working…..someone can transcript everything they say in this clip please??
the only thing I can notice is that Spock is not happy……….
Thanks already
greetings from Brazil
Obviously Scotty hasn’t been reading his technical manuals on Delta Vega. Hopefully by the sequel he will have read the Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy.
#391
“Where do the women show their rank?”
Oh man, Anthony! Just this once, please? There are so many witty retorts to that. You’ll ban me for sure.
392:
Hey, I almost forgot- Picard acted in a similar fashion in his younger days- hit on women, got into bar fights, got stabbed in the heart [reference TNG ep Tapestry].
I think what you’re referring to is sophistication. None of these clips show a sophistication or dignity to the characters. The arguement I suppose is that will come with age and experience, right now they are too raw and untested, we’ll see.
Lens Flare’s are JJ Abrams signature style, Fringe is full of them, and alot of the time, they are not real flares, but added digitally, to try to make CG fit in more realistically, and because it is an aesthetic his team seems to like.
396. THX-1138 – April 9, 2009
#391
“Where do the women show their rank?”
Oh man, Anthony! Just this once, please? There are so many witty retorts to that. You’ll ban me for sure.
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LMAO! I thought about that when I typed that question, but I hoped it was just my twisted mind going there. I should’ve known better…
Ahem…keep it clean, there are kiddies around this place, too! :)
@349:
welcome to the club; myself Thorsten and a few others have already said the exact same thing several times and have been roundly ignored specifically on the point that there are more lens flares in the trailers and tv spots than will most likely be noticeable in the entire film. they’ve been used to disguise frame and scene changes and no doubt in the film itself to enhance the anamorphic lenses to add depth of perception etc and to catch the eye at key moments to enhance the visual appeal of certain shots such as the bridge like what Bob said.
I really can’t believe that it’s come to this for some. surely common sense will tell you that there’s not going to a lens flare all over the screen every 2 seconds for two hours?!
I love the acting.
I love the characters.
But the lens flares were driving me nuts. xD;
I’m sure it was just a technical thing. I got over it after the 10th time of watching those thirty-seven seconds.
(I swear, every time I look at Zachary Quinto he gets sexier.)
363, the average american filmgoer wouldn’t be able to understand a true Scottish accent. I have been engaged to an englishwoman with a HEAVY cockney accent, (had no trouble understanding her or her friends ever) dated a dubliner with a heavy Irish accent, (no probs there either) and yet the guy I work with from Scotland who has lived in the US for like 10 years? !/2 the time I struggle to figure out what the hell he’s saying. I remember when Big Country was big in the 80’s and Stuart Adamson, (born in England to scottish parents and brought back at 4 and raised in Scotland) was being interviewed on Entertainment Tonight and they had bloody SUBTITLES for what he was saying in the interview.
Not important. And I’m sure Pegg could have done a letter perfect one if he wanted. Not important.
ANTHONY…PLEASE UPDATE US WHEN APPLE RELEASES THE OTHER 2 RELEASED CLIPS FOR DOWNLOAD ON ITUNES (THE DISEASE AND DANGER CLIP AND THE BAR SCENE CLIP)
#362
It’s a new creative team and new director, of course the filming style changed. Just as it changed from TMP (Robert Wise) to TWOK (Nick Meyer). Did you expect them to emulate the previous films? If you look at JJ’s previous work, this is consistent with that.
#402
BBC America frequently subtitles programming, something I frequently find myself LOLing. Gene Hunt does not need subtitles, for gawd’s sake!
I must like the word frequently.
#377 -
Thank you for the reply, Mr. Orci!
I still feel this technique has instead removed the reality of the events by reminding us of the lens that is necessary for such flare effects… but I understand the intention now. I sincerely hope it works better for others.
#363
Did Picard have a french accent? ;)
I like the lens flares! They are a great touch.
#277 There’s not just black and white, but for a hardhardcore fan, a single detail (such as gadgets not looking like those from 60, blasphemy!) will turn it from white to black.
Hence my comment that unless JJ would be doing literally a TOS movie, complete with old style, true hardcore fans would never be pleased (indeed, there’s a comment of weeping because Klingons in TMP had ridges instead of looking like mongols. Go figure). For the rest of us who are willing to accept new style and improvements, it comes down to how good it will actually be, i.e. shades of grey.
Now, I’m the first to admit that there’s a couple of things I’ve learnt about the movie that I have severe trouble digesting, but if it works out, I’m willing to give it a shot. We’ll see…
re: 398. martin – April 9, 2009
“Lens Flare’s are JJ Abrams signature style, Fringe is full of them, and alot of the time, they are not real flares, but added digitally, to try to make CG fit in more realistically, and because it is an aesthetic his team seems to like.”
Some of you are convinced that it is some kind of artistic statement to shake the camera around and have lens flares and who knows what else. To me it is pretentious bullcrap. As someone said above, and I paraphrase, “Hey, look at me! I’ve got a camera!”
The gushers and lovers can say what they want, but the only good thing I can say about this whole ordeal is that it will save me money, because I will not spend one red cent on any of this abomination.
Oooooh, Stanky, you da man! :>)
the shaky camera is used too often in films and TV shows these days.
I don’t mind the technique but when over used it becomes tiresome and cliched
I can’t wait to see you “lens flare’ people show up at the movie with your clipboard in hand counting how many times you think a dolly shot was pushed too fast.
Oh wait, I won’t be noticing you because I’ll be watching the STORY. Have fun!
Interestingly since good old Rick Berman’s joined 24, they’ve actually started toning down the unwatchable quaking of the camera on that thing. I set a personal record and watched a whole 2/3 of an episode just recently. Previously the camera work was so jolting and the zoom so tight on the heads that I couldn’t even care what people were saying or who was saying it.
I mean, I’m still part of the younger crowd (though I guess not hip enough apparently) but those shaky-cams– Man! And what makes it worse is that I LIKED Cloverfield! In that movie the shaking had a real purpose. It was the story and genre.
Part of me is missing Berman’s steady hands on my Star Trek.
But on the other hand, yeah, I do feel that I’m really, totally and genuinely looking through a dusty camera at Kirk and Spock facing off in the middle of an overbooked Scientology session. I mean, it feels real.
411. Stanky McFibberich – April 10, 2009
The gushers and lovers can say what they want, but the only good thing I can say about this whole ordeal is that it will save me money, because I will not spend one red cent on any of this abomination.
Well, as they say, time is money, and you’ve arguably spent more than a ticket’s worth of money on this site bitching and complaining at every turn. That, of course, is your prerogative.
Hey gang,
FYI, Garth from Darkhorizons.com (who has seen the film) told me that the lens flare is not as prevalent through the entire film as it is in these clips.
Vic
377. boborci – April 9, 2009
“JJ and the amazing Dan Mindel wanted to make the bridge feel real, with real sources of light.”
I’m sure it looked great in person. Unfortunately, we’ll be seeing it in a movie theatre. The non stop lens flare is distracting. If it weren’t then nobody would have noticed.
So it’s safe to assume that’s how all the bridge scenes will look?
#414 –
Check it out – this’ll boggle your mind jonboc: Do you think anybody, anywhere, would right now be confounded or arguing about not having seen a single lens flare? JJ Abrams didn’t just put in a couple of ‘em at precise moments. He wove the movie together with them. (There’s a cut in the McCoy scene where a flare was used to hide the fact that Kirk’s head was out of place from one moment to the next — just before Kirk buckles his belt.)
“How does this shit slip past a brilliant filmmaker like JJ,” fans would be saying at this very moment. “How can he not know that the lamp should have flared in my eye, blurring out the image for a full second as Spock delivered his line!? How does JJ Abrams miss that? Doesn’t he know any physics or understand any of the properties of light-sourcing? I can’t believe he neglected the flares in every one of the rooms and environments and completely dark backdrops he used! I didn’t see ONE flare!” Fans would be raving, I’m sure. (pls note sarcasm)
My point is that this kind of visual style that we are seeing is a really odd choice to make, and then to slam it to the extreme like this is misguided.
I remember Dawson’s Creek, (where Fringe’s Joshua Jackson sort of got his start)… and they used to get drilled on that show for having teenagers talk like adults, using big words and complex insights. And the writers always said, “You may not hear teens say these things, but this IS how teenagers think. You need to give them more credit” I personally know kids who were empowered by that sentiment.
I think a lot of what we’re seeing here, trying to make ST young by flashing and shaking and openly defining every four-syllable word, isn’t giving youth enough credit. People shouldn’t be digging around to find all the inside jokes about Tagruato or Slusho, or catch the bad robots sitting in the corners or picking out references to the number 47 — no! They should be looking up real words, asking questions (I don’t care about what!), and then running Google to uncover a quote and, subsequently, a piece of literature that they can– and will– pick up and read.
Let’s hope the plot and science of this movie pleasantly surprises everyone here and shows us this production’s view of youth isn’t the way it seems to be. Come on, May 8!
@363
Pegg sounded Scottish to me in that clip.
@402
My husband is from Northern Ireland (Belfast)and has a rather thick Irish accent. He has lived in the US over 20 years. I travel to the UK very frequently because of my job. My husband has a lot of family there. I just found out yesterday that I am being transferred to our office in Edinburgh, Scotland. My husband lost his job last month and the job market in South Florida is abysmal right now. We are relocating to the UK in June.
IMHO,I think the accent thing is really nitpicking.
One little issue I have is that possible transporter sound effect in the Scotty scene… Does anyone know if that’s the standard beaming noise or if that’s just because they beamed aboard at warp?
I’ve heard people say that the lens flares or the shaky cams add realism, but I mist disagree.
Lens flares are fine to me if the light actually shines into the camera, like when someone with a falshlight is scanning a dark room and goes past the camera. But in the bridge scene they show up when the light is off screen. I admit I’m not a physics/optics expert, but that seems counter-intuitive. And I counted 10 flares in 37 seconds, I don’t have cataracts, glaucoma, or ocular migraines, so I don’t see all these crazy halos when I’m out and about, not matter how many light sources are around me.
As for shaky cams, I think they are great when used sparingly and for something very dynamic, like a foot chase or a fist fight, but when it’s in every scene, even quiet ones like around a dinner table with calm conversation, it’s very distracting. I don’t have Parkinson’s so a shaking scene everytime is not realistic to me. That’s why I couldn’t watch BSG. Don’t get me wrong, I really tried to like it; I think the stories and characters were very compelling and interesting. I watched the whole first season and about halfway through the second, I just couldn’t stand the shaky cam, so I stopped watching it.
Beamed aboard at “Warp Speed?”
Is the new-Spock really going to say “Warp Speed?”
I thought Warp and Speed were two differnt things.
The big chance to clean up inconsistencies and we are still making mistakes. I blame the writers for that one. Sorry Bob and Alex.
You know I am going to be on the lookout for the other little mistakes like miles, inches and pounds. I bet they will all be in there. Senseless.
421. Will – April 10, 2009
One little issue I have is that possible transporter sound effect in the Scotty scene… Does anyone know if that’s the standard beaming noise or if that’s just because they beamed aboard at warp?
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What transporter sound effect? I didn’t hear a transporter in the Scotty scene.
Are you referring to the Kirk, Spock, Scotty clip? If so, that’s the turbolift door sound (sounds almost like TWOK hand phaser).
414. jonboc – April 10, 2009
I can’t wait to see you “lens flare’ people show up at the movie with your clipboard in hand counting how many times you think a dolly shot was pushed too fast.
Oh wait, I won’t be noticing you because I’ll be watching the STORY. Have fun!
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After reading this, I watched the Scotty scene again–just to count. (Didn’t even think to do so until your comment.)
In 37 seconds, I counted 7 distinct flares–not just lights in the scene, but actual flares that intrude upon the actors’ faces and the action. They aren’t all at cut moments, so they aren’t hiding edits, and at least one pretty much washes Spock out of the scene.
There are only 3 or 4 in the McCoy scene–on a VERY dark shuttle with no apparent light source. Again, these aren’t covering edits or CGI; they are in the middle of fairly static shots.
It’s hard to watch the STORY when the screen is being hidden being lens flares every few seconds. I’ll be there opening day, not counting flares or dolly shots but watching the STORY…but I plan to take aspirin beforehand, just in case…
#423
How is that a mistake? Kirk said ‘Warp Speed’ more times than I can count. Should they fix the mistake of having sound in space, while they’re at it? Sheesh.
This entire conversation is pretty amazing to me, as I didn’t even take note of the lens flare until you folks got up in arms over them.
Re: 424
Ahhh, Turbolift noise… that is absolutely not what I expected that noise to be(hence why I thought it was a transporter noise). And you’re right, it does sound almost like the TWOK phaser or even a phaser set to overload.
From a film making level, I really like that Kirk’s shot is nice and level where-as Spock’s single’s have a 5 to 10 degree cant to them. That’s a nice bit of work on the part of the DP to have a visual arc to go with the character arc.
423. TrekMadeMeWonder – April 10, 2009
Beamed aboard at “Warp Speed?”
Is the new-Spock really going to say “Warp Speed?”
I thought Warp and Speed were two differnt things.
The big chance to clean up inconsistencies and we are still making mistakes. I blame the writers for that one. Sorry Bob and Alex.
You know I am going to be on the lookout for the other little mistakes like miles, inches and pounds. I bet they will all be in there. Senseless.
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Uh…what are you smoking? Warp is a speed. Always has been. Always. Where’s the problem? Is warp supposed to be length? Height? What is it if not speed?
Now, if you want to complain about terms like “rate of speed” that appear throughout Trek, that’s different–speed is a rate of movement, so “rate of speed” is literally “rate of rate of moving” and, thus, wrong.
But “warp speed” is a no-brainer.
Is this based on some non-canon definition of warp? Or…what?
427. sean – April 10, 2009
This entire conversation is pretty amazing to me, as I didn’t even take note of the lens flare until you folks got up in arms over them.
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Really? You didn’t notice the bright light washing out Spock’s face almost entirely?
Hmm…I guess I envy you for being able to not notice such crap, but I also know I won’t be relying on you to notice any fine details in the film. ;) (I’m teasing…don’t get mad!)
#430
Why I oughta! ;)
I did notice it in the bridge scene, but I suppose what I’m saying is it simply doesn’t bother me, any more than someone choosing to shoot in B&W or lots of closeups or a shaky cam. The only time I tend to notice such things is when the movie itself is failing to entertain me. The same goes for those infamous bar code scanners, which I’d have given two sh*ts about had everyone not decided to lose their minds over them :)
I have noticed that technique in several other projects he’s been involved in, but they never took me out of the story. “Oh no, a lens flare! Well now I simply cannot accept that Jennifer Garner is a master spy!”
I have been bothered by excessive handicam use in the past, but in other instances it didn’t bother me at all. I thought it was appropriate in Cloverfield, and clearly the Bourne movies make great use of rapid and intense camera work. In other instances, I dislike the inability to focus on any one scene. It’s subjective.
Many artistic flourishes arise from mistakes or imperfect techniques. Just look at the photographers that still use Dianas. Unless every scene in the movie is completely washed out by lens flare, I don’t see it being a problem, for me.
So kirk is a wise assed self absorbed prick, spock is a douchebag, scotty is an out of place geek-savant than the token scottsman that lives in the reactor dungeon.
Whens the hand holding trust falling corporate retreat where they don’t try to slide a knife between the others ribs.
#432
Wow, you got all that from 3 30-second clips, eh?
407. pinky – April 9, 2009
It works on the big screen!
#435 – boborci
Interesting. How could it make that much difference? Big versus small changes the impression of the flares? Hm. This could hurt dvd sales … Unless you’re planning maybe small-screen flares for the special edition? hehe…
I think part of what we’re battling here is that Hollywood political correctness where no one ever says anything bad a bout a director (or fellow actor). They go with the flow because they don’t want to risk not working with that person in the future—or they have ongoing projects and don’t want to make things awkward. It does exist. Kind of like George Bush having too many “yes” men around him or too many like-minded individuals already on the same page.
Hence too many lights on the bridge (and resulting distracting flares) being “OK”. When is it ever too much? I think we’ve reached that point.
In regards to decisions being made about story and design, I also wonder if perhaps the TOS TV series got a bit lost in the shuffle of everything that Bob knows about Trek. With all the novels and potential canon issues and alternate universe variations there, the characterizations and designs of the TV show, specifically, just felt like another variation to them—whereas people like me who have not read those novels are looking at all this solely through the eyes of the TV series and just not liking any aspect of the look or even pacing.
437 – As much as I dislike some of the filmmaking choices I’ve seen, I think Bob Orci has shown his Trek love and knowledge to be above reproach. (Bob, don’t make me a liar!)
The look and pacing have nothing to do with the novels vs. TV show. Those are modern moviemaking style, not Bob’s writing. (Unless he wrote “INT. BRIDGE – A billion poorly placed lights blind the crew and cause constant lens flares.”)
Just like the Lord of the Rings movies, I think this Star Trek is the best we can hope for from Hollywood. The creator is gone, key actors are gone, the rest are too old/retired/moved on, and the world has changed; we will never have OUR old Star Trek back. (I’ve been a Trekkie since my wee years in the early 1970s.)
It’s hard to take a 40-year story and freshen it up, keep it consistent, bring it into the modern age, etc… I think that could’ve been done without many of the choices they’ve made, but I don’t think that’s the fault of Orci’s Trek knowledge.
Let’s face it, if every fan could recreate Trek like this, we’d all come up with different takes on what “real” Trek should be….
But damn, Bob! Defending the lens flares?! :)
431. sean – April 10, 2009
#430
Why I oughta! ;)
I did notice it in the bridge scene, but I suppose what I’m saying is it simply doesn’t bother me, any more than someone choosing to shoot in B&W or lots of closeups or a shaky cam. The only time I tend to notice such things is when the movie itself is failing to entertain me. The same goes for those infamous bar code scanners, which I’d have given two sh*ts about had everyone not decided to lose their minds over them :)
I have noticed that technique in several other projects he’s been involved in, but they never took me out of the story.
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I agree, the barcode scanners didn’t bug me until others pointed them out–and they still don’t bug me because TOS used SALT SHAKERS for medical gear, so it’s okay.
And yes, sometimes a good story can take you away so you don’t notice lens flares, closeups, etc. I just rewatched “Silence of the Lambs” with its endless closeups, but within a few moments I stopped noticing them–and they were a big part of its effectiveness. Hopefully the lens flares will fade from notice, but I don’t see how they add to the story/style.
And I’m no fan of shakycam, but you’re right, it worked for Cloverfield. However, I’ve never rewatched the film, mostly because of the shakiness.
Maybe the damn lens flares are a subtle tribute to Picard’s, “there are FOUR LIGHTS!!”
440. Harry Ballz – April 10, 2009
Maybe the damn lens flares are a subtle tribute to Picard’s, “there are FOUR LIGHTS!!”
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LMAO! Although in this case, it’s “There are four hundred lights!”
THE LENS FLARES ARE AN ELEMENT OF THE VISUAL STYLE OF THIS MOVIE. Get over it. I mean damn, what’s so bad about them anyway ?
#442
Are you blind?? I know that I AM after staring at those damn lights!!
There is nothing that bugs me about the lens flares.
#442 “THE LENS FLARES ARE AN ELEMENT OF THE VISUAL STYLE OF THIS MOVIE. Get over it. I mean damn, what’s so bad about them anyway? ”
What’s bad about them? Two standing ovations would indicate, not much.
Too much talk about the lens flares?
Well, sorry if the subject seems too DIM for you, but some of us were hoping for BRIGHT ideas from this talented team. So, don’t GLARE at us for thinking their talent would SHINE a little more than it has……if you’re going to FLARE up at someone, please look somewhere else!
#446 … Harry, did you help Giachinno come up with those soundtrack titles?
:-)
#442 “THE LENS FLARES ARE AN ELEMENT OF THE VISUAL STYLE OF THIS MOVIE. Get over it. I mean damn, what’s so bad about them anyway? ”
They are very distracting. If they occur every 5 seconds it takes me out of the story no matter how good the story may be. If they are there to mask edits, then I m thinking “Geeze, they can’t get their lines right for more than 5 seconds!? Are we filming one line at a time!?” Same thing with shaky cam, it was so distracting I stopped watching BSG halfway through he second season even though I thought the stories and characters were very compelling. With lens flares on Fringe, at first I thought maybe there was something wrong with my TV, then I thought maybe it’s some wierd in-story technology, maybe reading someone’s thoughts, now I’m getting tired of them. If there isn’t an in-story explaination soon, I might stop watching. Yes, it is THAT distracting; this is true for any film/show, not just Star Trek.
#442
I have to agree with the people who have expressed their frustration with the lense flares. In the “Spock Meets Scotty” clip, the flares briefly wash out Spock’s face a couple of times. It’s very much like trying to watch the screen while an usher is shining a flashlight in your face (this has happened to me in the past). I remember being turned off by “Grindhouse” because of all the cigarette burns, but whereas that film depended on the burns to complete its aesthetic novelty, I don’t think “Star Trek” needs stuff like that. I’ve been impressed with the acting and story so far, and I don’t think the flares are going to ruin the movie for me, but the flare detractors have a right to get their opinions out in the open. With that said, May 8th can’t get here soon enough. We’re probably suffering from cabin fever.
For the record, for me, any one thing that I dislike about this film probably wouldn’t by itself keep me from watching the movie on day one. But it’s the totality of the change which now even includes odd flares throughout the experience.
I’ve heard excuses about the alternate history and the alternate designs. Now, we see that even the editing and cinematography is, uhm, fresh. And so every where (I) turn it’s all new.
This is probably going to go down as “trekies complaining about details” again but at point does someone on the production team come out and say “uh, ok, there were some things we did that were lame”.
I will note that if this film took place in the Trek universe we were all expecting (prime) and the designs were (much) closer to the originals—especially the Enterprise—I wouldn’t care as much about the flares. I just needed some glue people and having Nimoy there is just not enough.
For all the fans that have expressed pre-mature love for the film: at what point is there there too much change?
I’ve really got stop reading the posts here. It’s just so frustrating to hear all the nitpicking. From the first announcement of prequel/sequel, to casting, to the spy photos, to official images, to trailers, to clips…there’s always some inconsequential “hot topic” with each new piece that we can get our over-eager hands on.
Lens Flare! It’s a bad joke, right. My Gods!
Listen Haters, when you’re directing your own movies, you can make your own creative choices. Until that highly unlikely day, grow the frak up and show some respect for the people who have EARNED the privilege of being on the creative team of Star Trek.
GAL
I really don’t like Shaky Cam. Soooo overused. It’s not going to date well.
#452
So…the only people allowed on this site are ones who express an unconditional love/reverance of what’s being revealed little by little? If there were no “inconsequential hot topics” to laugh at and contribute to once in a while, wouldn’t that be a little boring? I probably would have stopped visiting TrekMovie a long time ago.
452
Kiss my asteroid
Now there needs to be an in-universe explanation for A LENS FLARE? Honestly guys, do you pick apart all the movies you watch in this manner? I can’t imagine enjoying much of anything if I dissected it to this degree. I’m not saying y’all can’t have opinions or you have to like it. Far from it. But when we have 400 comments on a lighting technique or whether a barely visible prop is a slightly modified bar code scanner, I really do wonder how far this can reasonably go.
#452, #456.
We’re just expressing our opinion about a particular item that distracts us. Would you be so offensed if we wrote 400 comments about something we liked or something you agreed with? Probably not. If you like something or not, comment on it and discuss it, but it is really inappropriate for you to comment to an a person’s opinion, comment, or personality.
I’d much rather obsess on Cadet Saucywalk in that McCoy clip.
#458
Here here. She was pretty damn assertive too. ;D
#457
If you look at my comment, I said everyone is fully entitled to their opinion and I’ve never said otherwise. If you can find something I’ve said that’s inappropriate or breaks the site rules, by all means point it out.
Sean,
While your post #456 contains an admission that each is entiled to his or her opinion, it is contradicting that adamission when it implies that someone with a differing opinion is unreasonable: “Honestly guys, do you pick apart all the movies you watch in this manner?” and “I really do wonder how far this can reasonably go.”
“Now there needs to be an in-universe explanation for A LENS FLARE?”
I just think having one every 5 seconds is excessive and distracting enough to reduce my ejoyment of the movie.
I fully intend to watch the movie and I fully expect to enjoy it overall. But if there are too many distractiing moments of “modern visual styles”, I won’t be watching it multiple times. I think thats a shame in terms for overall box office and I think it would adversly affect the ability to enjoy it 10 years from now. In some cases, I’ve learned to avoid certain directors. That’s my choice to perhaps miss out on a great story, but it is also a missed opportunity for a movie’ overal success at the box office, which is what studios look for.
@415:
Dude, Rick Berman’s got absolutely nothing to do with 24! Manny Coto and Brannon “nipples on the time travelling batsuit” Braga are exec producing/ writing 24 this season. They stuck his name in last weeks episode just for kicks!
now back to Trekmovie: The Lens Flare Wars, if you want to see ridiculous amounts of flashes and lens flares go watch that crazy ass japanese show that will most like burn your retinas out and cause you to have massive seizures of some kind. Then come back and complain about the film after you’ve seen it in it’s entirety, if you can still see that is before heading into the movie theatre… ;)
Not bad, but why does the Bridge of the Enterprise look like Elton John’s dressing room?
#461
There’s nothing contradictory there. Just because I accept that everyone is free to an opinion does not mean I agree with that opinion or that I won’t argue that opinion seems unreasonable, to me. Again, you stated “it is really inappropriate for you to comment to an a person’s opinion, comment, or personality.” I don’t agree with that, at all, and I’m fairly certain most people on this site would disagree as well. As long as we can be civil and not resort to childish insults, there’s no reason we can’t all discuss and disagree and argue all we want.
My comment was merely expressing my very real exasperation at the degree to which minor elements of this film are being presented as major flaws. You dislike the camera flares, fair enough. But to actually imply there should be an in-universe explanation for a film making technique seems extreme, in my view. Just as the hubub over the scanners seemed incredibly nitpicky, to me. I wondered aloud as to the degree to which those complaining pick apart other movies they watch. If I were to examine the individual elements to that degree, it would be difficult FOR ME to enjoy much of anything I watch. Again, that’s expressing my personal view.
like i thought, the one sure thing in this movie is the actors. magnificent. they managed to become spock, kirk, scotty, and mccoy, without doing impressions of them. what a shame it will be if the rest of the movie fails the cast by being a caricature, like that set, and the door sound (really, ben? really?)
I. Wonder. If. Pine. Is. Going. To. Do. A. Every. Word. Is. Its. Own. Sentence. Line.
The problem isn’t that anyone should have questions or issues with aspects of the movie or even to dislike the idea of the movie even. Rather it is the incessant kvetching and grousing about it that gets tiresome and is unnecessary.
And before one of you comes up with anything about the “love fest” or et al. Really? Do you really just want to balance out the scales? I can’t imagine a bigger waste of time or energy on a pettiness in my imagination.
Yeah sure, some people can possibly get carried away on the other side, sight unseen. But I find I am much more tolerant of them because I believe it’s easier to get carried away by something that excites and pleases you than vice-versa and I tend to be a positive person. I just can’t imagine what motivates someone to harp on the negative over and over.
JMN
Check the Circuit/452:
On a site like this, there has to be the freedom to kvetch. We’re Star Trek fans, after all. But I agree that lens flare and barcode scanners, and their ilk, are over-whingeing, and a product of repeated over-exposure to brief filmclips.
We’re all simply over-eager to get this film in front of us. It looks like a keeper, so everyone: keep your pants on, and remain calm.
426. Sean and 429. Paul B
Come on!
The reason I posted my earlier comment (423) was because THEY SHOULD GET THE JARGON CORRECT ALREADY!
Especially the new Writers, who have also claimed to be BIG Trek fans.
No, (sean) I am not smoking anything (very subtle), nor would I to have to understand Warp Power. Trek has had 45+ years to get the tech straight, and as I understand it, Warp is the process of taking a Starship into a slightly different dimentsion, or altering space time in order to travel. Others here have noted that the Impulse engines are a part of the the explaination, but this is supposed to Science Fiction. In fact, Science Fiction is supposed to be the cornerstone of Star Trek. Science being the main aspect that makes it all believable. And with that believability, we must have a solid explaination. Einstein said with the Theory of Relativity that light speed and energy are a constant. If this is the case then a spaceship would have to have a warping of space and time to allow our characters to travel to another star and then return without hundreds of years going by on the world they originally left. In other words, you would not want to travel faster than light to another star and then try and then expect to return to your own home world, close to the time you left.
That is why I say Warp and Speed are two different things and should stay separate. It’s the science that is important in the equasion.
Sure, the old crew, Kirk and company, have said Warp Speed. But it really is not correct.
Spock should have said (and he did say it correctly in his second line to Scotty) “How did you beam over to the Enterprise while the ship was at Warp. Not too big a deal is it Guys? And it makes the science more believable. It’s not a big deal for me, just a sloppy error on the writer’s part.
Remember, we still live in a free country where it is OK to question the Supreme Court. ; )
Another thing that bugs the H_ll out of me is; “How DID they beam aboard the E while at Warp?”
This idea seems REALLY unesscessary to acheive more suspense in a scene. Suspense, by the way, that has already been spoiled by this new clip, and the rediculous “Scotty in the Water Pipes” scene.
After watching a few minutes of “Charlie and the Chocolate Factory” today, I am already cringing at the thought.
#469
I didn’t say anything about smoking. You must have me mixed up with another poster.
That aside, again, the wording was already established. There’s no need to ‘fix’ anything. Warp is a fictional technology, and we don’t know how it works. Putting that aside, there are Warp Factors, and they are clearly related to speed increases. Otherwise they’d be meaningless. If Warp Factor 6 gets you somewhere faster than Warp Factor 2, how is speed not an appropriate description? And again, if 45 years of Star Trek have said it that way, why are they required to change it? As fans, they know the jargon and they’ve stuck with it. I don’t understand your complaint at all.
Star Trek’s science has ALWAYS been a mixture of real technology and conjecture. In many cases, it’s total hooey and completely impossible. It’s a story, and the needs of the story take precedence over the science. That’s always been the case.
#469
Also, “This idea seems REALLY unesscessary to acheive more suspense in a scene. Suspense, by the way, that has already been spoiled by this new clip, and the rediculous “Scotty in the Water Pipes” scene.”
How is this any more unnecessary than any other plot point? And how is it spoiled by Scotty in the water pipes? As I understand it, this takes place after that. The point is that beaming at warp, at this point, hasn’t been developed as a technology yet. Because future Spock gives Scotty the information, he’s able to accomplish what should otherwise be impossible at this point. Where’s the confusion?
I’m mad that the actors are different ethnicities, sexual orientations, and nationalities than the cast of the Original Series. JJ Abrams should have done a better job and cast a Jewish Canadian actor of Hungarian and Polish descent as Kirk, a Jewish American of Ukrainian descent as Spock, and a Japanese American as Sulu. I here Zachary Quinto is Italian and Irish, Christopher Pine is from Los Angeles not Canada, and John Cho is Korean American not Japanese, and worse, he’s not even gay. Curse JJ Abrams rotten hide, he’s ruined Star Trek with his inauthentic casting.
@463. Robert Wellsford-James – April 11, 2009
Not bad, but why does the Bridge of the Enterprise look like Elton John’s dressing room?
You’ve been in Elton John’s dressing room?
Wow. Cool.
470. sean
Sorry about the misquote. My bad.
I see your point. It’s just a story. I don’t mean to nit pick, but i think we do agree that the science of Trek should be strongly considered and respected. Otherwise we again will go straight to illogic and right on into Technobabbleland.
I just think it sounds smarter and cooler to say “at warp” and not “at warp speed. Again, It concerns light speed and time dilation. Interesting that in the Entereprise’s first voyage they said “time warp” drive. This was the attempt to circumvent the troublesome effects of “light speed” velocity.
So, I did a little Google search on the subject and it seems there is a history and explaination the ship’s propusion in relation to velocity and warp.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warp_drive
Warp velocities
Warp drive velocity in Star Trek is generally expressed in “warp factor” units, which—according to the Star Trek Technical Manuals—correspond to the magnitude of the warp field. Achieving Warp Factor 1 is equivalent to breaking the light barrier, while the actual velocity corresponding to higher factors is determined using an ambiguous formula. Several episodes of the original series placed the Enterprise in peril by having it travel at high warp factors; at one point in “That Which Survives” the Enterprise traveled at a warp factor of 14.1. However, the velocity [in present dimensional units] of any given warp factor is rarely the subject of explicit expression, and travel times for specific interstellar distances are not consistent through the various series.
Seems that over 45 years have been kind of dodging that critical detail.
So now the Big movie has a chance to finally make it feel real. And it would only take a few lines of dialog and consistency. Hopefully they
have done this. If not, it will make Trek just like Star Wars, which is fantasy.
Fantasy is not what I read in the marketing for Trek’s new “Begining.”
“This isn’t fantasy…….this is REALITY!”
Whoa, what a concept!
It certainley promises to be a very fast two and a half hours, does’nt it Harry?
maybe in the sequel they will go back in time and fix the lens flares…
#476 “promises to be a very fast two and a half hours”
Yes, so fast paced that I predict it’ll feel like 2 hours 6 minutes*!!
*(actual running time)
Thjanks again, Harry!
#478
LOL IRL!
If I have to wait a whole week, I just may soil myself… Uh oh…excuse me… have to go… towel please…