ST09 Tidbits (T-22): Soundtrack Clips + 5/7 7:00PM + Cast Interviews & Mag Covers + more April 15, 2009
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We have three weeks and a day to go until everyone can see this new Star Trek, and for today’s tidbits we have some fun stuff. Firstly you can now hear some clips from Giacchino’s score, also the whole 7:00 PM May 7th is definitely happening. There are also new magazine covers (with snippets) with Chris Pine, Eric Bana, and Zoe Saldana. Plus a new Simon Pegg interview. Lastly: Berlin ‘Dance Party’ pictures, a Photoshop contest and more.
Listen to some of the Star Trek score
You can listen to clips from four tracks from Michael Giacchino’s score for Star Trek at the German soundtrack site, Colosseum.de. One of the clips is for the end credits, which incorporates the original theme from Star Trek by Alexander Courage. The clips have also been put together into a quicktime video, below.
The Soundtrack is available for pre-order at Amazon and should be released on May 5th. Closer to the release, TrekMovie will hold a contest to give away five copies of the soundtrack.
May 7 – 7 O’Clock Showings of Star Trek
In the last tidbits we noted that Paramount was likely to allow theaters to allow showings on May as early as 7:00 PM on May 7th, a few hours earlier than the usual midnight shows. Although Paramount has not made any public announcement, TrekMovie has received a number of tips of theaters offering early shows from Hawaii to South Carolina and points in-between. Many theaters are now offering shows around 7:00 and 9:00 PM. Don’t get sold out! Buy advance tickets to Star Trek now at Fandango!
Pine’s Health
Chris Pine is gracing the cover of the new Men’s Health Magazine. ET has a preview. Pine is quoted saying of Trek:
When I started ‘Trek’ I looked at it, and then I was climbing it, and I didn’t have time for anything else but climbing the thing and getting to the top. And that’s an incredible space to exist in, because there’s tremendous responsibility. There’s tremendous pressure. But all those just clarify your vision.
Kirk says lose that gut mister!
Zoe’s Health
For her part, Zoe is gracing the cover of Women’s Health Magazine. The Insider has an excerpt of Zoe (who stars in two 2009 sci-fi films: Star Trek and Avatar) admitting she is a fan of the genre, noting:
I’m a ‘Star Wars’ fan, but I love the whole ‘Alien’ legacy. My favorite was the second one, because of Ripley [Sigourney Weaver]. She was such a feisty creature — strong and still very motherly.
Kirk says lose that gut mister!
Bana’s Details
Speaking of mag covers, Eric Bana is on Detail’s and Just Jared has pictures and excerpts. Here is one of Star Trek’s villain Nero on how he had to repeat a year of school due because he showed up drunk:
Yeah, I went through a little phase there. But I did a lot better than some of the guys I hung with, who have ended up dead or in jail… It wasn’t like I was busting to get into NASA or anything.
Trek’s Nero started off as a bit of a baddass
Pegg talks slipping into comedy with Scotty
SFX has put up a Simon Pegg interview, with lots of cool stuff, here is an excerpt about the danger of slipping to far into comedy:
SFX: Is there a danger of slipping into pastiche?
Pegg: Well, when you’re talking about a heightened space drama there is a degree of danger of it becoming funny. It’s entirely dependent on context. Take Bones – he had a particular manner of speaking, he was a Southern gentleman but he had those “god damnit!” moments, and Karl tackled that without the slightest wink to the camera. We’re all very careful. There are some fantastic nods in it for Star Trek fans. There really are some gifts in there. I think Star Trek fans will feel spoken to and acknowledged, because there’s stuff in there you couldn’t possibly get if you didn’t know this series very well. Even production minutiae that you’d recognise from certain episodes. I think it’s a great success in terms of appealing to the uninitiated and the faithful…much more at SFX
Urban: McCoy is grumpy
PC Authority has an extensive interview with Karl Urban, here is a quote on the nature of McCoy
PC: He’s a bit of a technophobe at the start….
Karl Urban: Yeah, here’s the great thing about the character: He’s this grumpy, cantankerous, irascible doctor with the most appalling bedside manner. Yet underneath that, he’s got a genuine heart of gold. He’s the most loyal caring friend you’re likely to find, whether you’re an enemy or not. He’ll put prejudices aside and try and do right by you. He’s a really morally centred character that just happens to be wrapped up in this prickly exterior.…much more at PCAuthority
Le Star Star Tour in Paris – TrekMovie full report coming soon
Star Trek did not get a gala premiere in France, but the JJ Abrams publicity tour did stop in the city of lights to show the film to the press and to do interviews and pose for pictures. TrekMovie has a full exclusive report from the press event coming up later today. For now here is a picture:
Abrams, Bana, Saldana, Quinto & Pine in Paris
Wikia hosting community powered interview with J.J. Abrams
Wiki community leader Wikia is hosting a user-generated interview with Star Trek director and producer J.J. Abrams on Memory Alpha, the Star Trek wiki. Anyone who’s interested in the upcoming movie can to submit one question for Abrams; the twenty best questions will be chosen by two Memory Alpha administrators and sent to Abrams by Wikia. Submitters whose questions are chosen will be eligable to win a Star Trek-related prize from Paramount; the winner of the prize will be chosen at random. Questions will be accepted until 7AM EST o April 19th. For more details, and to submit your questions, visit this page.
Dance Party Photos + T-Shirt Give-away
TheCobraSnake has put up pictures from the Star Trek Dance Party in Berlin from a few days ago. Haven’t looked closely, but there may be more hidden clues for the Star Trek Viral game. Also CorbraSnake’s main page promises a TShirt Giveaway today (unclear how you get your shirts).
Germans groove with some Orions at Berlin Star Trek Dance Party
Bullets: UK Classification + Berlin Dance Party + T-Shirt Giveaway + more
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Star Trek has received a ‘12A’ classification in the UK, with the note ‘film contains moderate violence and threat’
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Sky UK is offering fans the opportunity to get questions asked at the Star Trek press conference next week.
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SciFiWire has another of the exclusive Star Trek desktops
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Gizmodo has posted the entries for their ‘Ruin Star Trek’ Photoshop contest.
Gizmodo readers try to ‘ruin’ Star Trek
Thanks to all the tipsters, too many to count
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I think I love the new theme!
WoW! I definitely like Giacchinos work! It will be one of the few times I will stay through end credits!
‘Ruin Star Trek’ Photoshop contest’
OMG. I laughed so hard at the Worf/shamwow one. Ha!
The soundtrack seems great so far.
I like the samples of the score. I would have liked a nontraditional or electronic score, but the sheer force of a symphonic score like this is also welcome.
Another “chills down the back” moment: hearing that end-credits clip of the classic theme!
I loved Giacchino’s work on “The Incredibles,” so I’ve got great hope for his Trek work.
Hmm end of the end credits song sounds like 2 steps from Hell’s Enterprise trailer music? Somewhat? I like it anyways…
I literally just cried a little after listening to the new theme.
By god, Jim……
It’s beautiful…..
Track 5 sounds like it’s based on the Enterprise theme from Star Trek II.
LMAO at the Ruin Star Trek entries. My favorite – Pine/Kirk laying on top of Quinto/Spock.
Wow, Giacchino has totally outdone himself! Excellent pieces!
I can’t stop listening to the end credits! Now i’m really excited! Have we ever heard the whole original series theme played on the big screen?
Nice. Great to hear some of the music, including the TV theme!
Some of those “Ruin Star Trek” photos are hilarious, especially “The Negotiator.”
8 Yes, I have the same feeling. But I hear Horner through all the clips. The original theme in end credits is nice. I was afraid it will sound like “Variations on Schiffrin” from M:I 3 but thanks it doesn´t and sounds great for me.
I’m sorry but the original ST theme sounds too strange for the film…hope it isn’t in the movie (credits are fine)….it’s just too “happy happy joy joy” and doesn’t sound epic enough compared to everything else.
Other than that, where are my advance tickets!!!!
I must say that I am not impressed by the soundtrack. And that’s funny because I was really hopeful that Giacchino was going to produce something really special, considering his previous works like Speed Racer and The Incredibles. But from that I have heard so far, the soundtrack sounds like some boring generic music from a TV series. Really weak. Can we have John Williams next time?
15 — Come on! Four 30-second clips aren’t enough evidence of the score’s quality! Geesh…I could pick at least that many Williams clips that, out of context, would sound as “really weak” as you say these do.
Okay, this music isn’t grabbing me instantly the way TWOK or even TVH did, but back then I was hearing the entire soundtrack, not just 2 minutes of random clips.
And John Williams has made plenty of forgettable movie scores, too…
I’m sitting here in a meeting at work and I just bought my 7pm tickets for San Francisco, lol. Thanks for the heads-up!!
Sloppy paint job on the Orion Slave girls!
OMGOMGOMGOMG… hearing the original theme done in that orchestral manner made my hair stand up! I know I’ll get the chills when seeing it in context and I’ll probably get misty (or outright blubber) as well.
It has GOT to be in the movie at some point or it’s really not going to be as effective, though. I hold nothing against it like some newer fans who didn’t grow up on the TOS.
I haven’t found any Star Trek related easter eggs in the photos from the Berlin party (where I would have gone, if I had known about it) BUT something else J.J. is involved in comes up: there’s one single pic of a wall, showing a new Dharma-Logo, which I don’t know.
http://thecobrasnake.com/partyphotos/trektoberlin/IMG_7293.html
Would have loved free shirts, ah well…
Does Abrams have to strike that douche-y pose in EVERY picture?
These are only four short clips, and I guess we all have to wait until we hear it while seeing the film. But I think it’s a mixed bag. “Labor Of Love” is awesome, “Does It Still McFly?” sounds really good, very interesting. The background snare drum is a nice nod to Horner’s style. I didn’t really like “Enterprising Young Man”… some of it sounds like a generic Hollywood action cue… same old same old… and at the beginning I was immediately thinking “The Magnificient Seven”! ;) But it’s good to hear the main theme with a bigger orchestration. It works, although it’s still a very simple theme. Courage’s composition in the credits music is okay, but I expected Giacchino to alter and modernize the theme a bit more… and I don’t really like the snare drum… the rhythm feels wrong… too much mimicry of the melody.
I love the soundtrack! It is beautiful! The new theme fits well with the themes that have come before. The music has always been my favorite part of the franchise, so i was greatly anticipating what would come out of this new film, I must admit, when I listened to End Credits, it brought a tear to my eye.
#15, you need to watch more tv series if you think this sounds like that. Granted, there are a few elements from Lost throughout Giacchino’s work here, but come on, track 5 and the end credits alone are beyond any series.
#14, it’s been said by reviewers that the original theme only pops up during the credits. That end track is NINE MINUTES LONG, so I’m sure that’s enough time to epic it up.
I just bought my May 7th @ 7pm tickets.
Not overly impressed by the soundtrack so far (mainly because I can barely hear the notes through my speakers at work) but as Paul B. said, a few seconds of each isn’t enough to form an opinion.
And I was seriously hoping for a shirtless Chris Pine on the cover of Men’s Health… Isn’t it what they usually do?! ;) Sometimes I wish there was a Maxim equivalent for women…
I LOVE the tagline for the article on Eric Bana! “Makes Captain Kirk His Bitch”… LOL!
I’m betting that Track 5 is when we first see the fully completed Enterprise.
OMG… I nearly fainted when I herd the music. The end credits sound fantastic
Just to make it clear: I am a soundtrack fan (not just ST) and I loved the music from Speed Racer and The Incridibles, some of the best OST of this century. However I cannot hear anything special in the clips available, no memorable motifs, no big romantic music, just boring background music. Even the TOS theme sounds bland. Perhaps they just didn’t select the best pieces, but so far it’s definitively not in the same league as TMP or TWOK. Even the trailer music was better. But in these days I think it’s ok to sound generic.
Why does only the last Track have an actual melody? :-)
There are some great ruined photos in there… lol…
Hm i don’t know…..
I mean Giacchino’s work doesnt sound bad, but …..well….I think it’s not “epic” enough. :-P
When I heard Mike Verta’s orchestral version of the TOS theme, I was excited, it’s excellent. Giacchino’s version is kind of…..too simple, not really exciting^^
Yeah ok, these are only 4 tracks from the whole score and like I already said, all in all it sounds okay ;)
Nevertheless it will be an awesome movie, I can’t wait to see it =)
Btw. the “Ruin Star Trek” Contest made my day, the pics are hilarious! xD
WOO HOO – MIDNIGHT ** and ** 7pm showings in beautiful downtown middle America!!! Tickets already bought!
Pretty good for 30 second clips. Sounds like the motif heard on the website is going to be a recurring one in the film, considering it crops up in the clips of “Enterprising Young Men” and “Does It Still McFly?”. Is it actually, therefore, Kirk’s theme?
Track 5 = Awesome.
#22 But compare Enterprising Young Man against the current background music at http://www.startrekmovie.com which I think is “Hella Bar Talk”… so it’s picking up on the previous track’s theme, as Kirk changes his mind and goes off to San Francisco??
I’ve been enjoying that track at the website for sometime, so it’s sounding like the “theme” more than ever now.
#23 End Credits is superb. The Next Generation mangled the intro in the manner it fused them onto the TMP theme. No one since the original series has had choir and vox humana which is *necessary* to make the Courage theme sound just right. Strings alone don’t cut it.
34 – That’s what I’m guessing.
I think the Ernie as Nero pic might be my favorite.
The original theme! Oh my… it’s wonderful. Now I’m getting emotional.
The score sounds pretty good, maybe not the best so far, but I’ll wait until hearing the whole thing before passing judgement. Either way, it’s increased my anticipation for the movie
I’m amazed and somewhat disappointed that the few notes of trumpet theme that always heralds the Enteprise (and Kirk to some extent) is completely missing from the score. Both Goldsmith and Horner opened their themes up with it, but not to have it even once when we see the Big E seems very odd…
IMAX in the UK is doing a 6PM showing on the 7th!
Anyone hear of 7pm 5/7/09 showings in Columbus/Cincinnati, OH? If you have please email me; Fandango isn’t listing any at all.
41 – You’re basing this off of – what – four 30-second clips from the soundtrack?
Anyone notice the “Enterprising” track is the same theme that is played on startrekmovie.com?
#22
“I didn’t really like “Enterprising Young Man”… some of it sounds like a generic Hollywood action cue… same old same old… and at the beginning I was immediately thinking “The Magnificient Seven”! ;)”
And see, that’s WHY I thought it was outstanding. Soundtracking Star Trek like a western is pitch perfect, in my view.
#45
That’s actually from Hella Bar Talk, not Enterprising Young Men.
#15 opcode, that’s an interesting remark because I had precisely the opposite reaction — I thought the clips had a full, rich orchestral sound, certainly on a par with any previous Trek soundtrack. I found it relieving, in fact, as I was a little afraid we’d get something a bit jazzy a la ‘The Incredibles.’ From the clips, I’d say this will certainly rival, and perhaps surpass, the terrific work we’ve heard before, particularly from Goldsmith and Horner.
Digging the music — a bit Horner and a bit Cliff Eidelman (ST:VI)
Music seems OK from what I can tell.
More feature film than 160 mil major release.
I’m surprised no one in that photoshop contest has simply posted an unaltered version of the first picture of the new Enterprise which was released.
Does IMAX provide for the hearing impaired?
Considering I’m tone deaf I’m not one to grade soundtracks, yet I can still discern what sounds are appealing or rock me for lack of a better description; from the tidbits I have experience so far nothing!
I enjoy the Voyager soundtrack I hope they learned from Enterprise not to tread in that direction again…
Okay, I’m at work and cannot download. I see the comments on the use of the original theme.
Can somebody tell me, does it sound like Eric Kunzel’s orchestrated version of the original theme in his arrangement of music from “The Cage”?
#51
Really? I always thought the Voyager soundtrack was SO monotonous. Unidentifiable background music.
#44… of course not… I’m basing it on the track titles which would have an asterik on all tracks that included the Enteprise fanfare composed by Courage. All the other ST soundtracks inlude that info wherever the short fanfare was referenced.
Just heard the music snippets and OH MY GOD! THE ORIGINAL THEME!!!!! IT’S BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!!!!!! I am actually welling up as I write this! I so, so, so wish this theme wasn’t just being used in the end credits. It should at the very least be part of the very last scene before the end credits come on. They have indeed changed a lot in the movie, but don’t deny this movie, this STAR TREK movie it’s ever-memorable STAR TREK theme which has been recorded more beautifully than ever!
I’m beginning to think JJ can cure a rainy day…
Can’t tell much from the 30 sec clips, obviously, but what little I heard, it seems like the same out crap Berman mandated on his Treks- what one of the composers complained was “musical wallpaper”, boring lifeless droning themes, with little variation or inspiration.
One bright spot was the last track- the one with the old Trek theme from the show, not that I particularly care for the old theme but that it seems to transition to a new sound- Giacchinos version, to my ear that seems to be where he put in all his inspirational and evocative force, and just when you begin to settle in to savor his take it cuts off…
And by fanfare I mean the trumpet notes that we heard when the E was seen or Kirk walked in, not the theme, that we heard in the end titles, done so well. I’m talking about IN the movie. It will seem strange not hearing that simple 8-note fanfare when we see the ship…
Is it just me or does it seem that the *titles* of the tracks are flippant? I’m all for clever titles, but “Nero Sighted”? “Nailin’ the Kelvin”? “Nice to Meld You”? They just seem better suited to a broad comedy or a Mad Magazine parody from a title standpoint.
I love what I’ve heard of Giacchino’s music so far. I especially love the film’s theme and his rendition of the TV theme.
Interestingly, when the theme plays in the track “Enterprising Young Man,” it kinda reminds me Bruce Broughton’s music for the end titles of Tombstone. Anyone else get that? lol
Wasn’t that impressed with the first listen to the music… now it’s just a few clips so it’s completely out of context. I’m a huge TOS fan and love the details of that show and am loving the look of the costumes that take directly from that, but I have to say that the end credits sounded cheesy. I would hav eliked to see it take from the orginal but do it in not such a straight on style. My thought is that that theme is slightly incongruant with the rest of the film and they dumped the theme as part of the 9 minute end credits so the diehards feel like it was in there.
Ok my thoughts on the final of the film.
Kirk and Co are on the bridge of the Enterprise and the Camera Pans out and Kirk does the “space the final frontier….” with the ship doing the fly passes and the Enterprise jumps to warp
The style of the composing is great. I like it. But the best cue so far are the end titles, make me drop a tear :)
Okay, I’m confused.
I’m hearing wholesale praises/condemnations/criticisms of the Giacchino score – is someone getting a sneak of the entire soundtrack or is all this based on the 15-second blurbs from that German soundtrack site?? If its the latter, that’s a pretty lame basis on which to form an opinion.
For me, it will be nearly impossible to reach the heights of Jerry Goldsmith’s TMP score, or his “The Enterprise” theme from that soundtrack. The last 20 seconds of that cut, which play over Kirk’s shuttle docking with the Big E after the drydock flyby, are absolutely epic.
But I’m delighted to *have* another Trek score to anticipate!!!
oh dear god.
why won’t they let that alexander courage crap die? gerry goldsmith wrote the real star trek theme.
I for one do NOT feel that the original theme is cheesy, any more than the other elements of the show they are using… Kirk, Spock, the ship, phasers, trocorders, on and on. The music had to be there, and for the composer to completely omit any reference to it at all would have been unforgivable.
Perhaps the younger fans have no emotional connection to the music, but for us old timers who were kids when the show was on, the music opened every show and set the stage for excitement!
Not to include it SOMEWHERE would have been so wrong, I would have been very angry. And you wouldn’t like me when I’m angry. You might not like me even when I’m not.
Now I have heard it. BLAND. Sorry, but that’s how it hit me. Hal Leonard did more complicated arrangements for high school band….
My god… They actually used the whole theme tune. Bravo!
If “Enterprising Young Man” is the first time we see the Enterprise in Space, I might cry. If it’s when Kirk sees her for the first time, hanging against the stars. That’s what it sounds like and looks like that’s where it might be in the timeline if the score numbering is in scene order.
OMG! Just listened to the music – simply beautiful! Surely going to stroke out before May 8th (or 7th) gets here. Any word as to whether or not the soundtrack will be available on iTunes and if so, when?
Hahahahah! I just can’t get over the cover tagline for Bana. Hahahahah!
As for the soundtrack, is it just me or do several bars from “Enterprising Young Man” sound very reminiscent of Elliot Goldenthal’s “Batman Forever” theme? I was tempted to bring it up when I heard the quiet version on the website, but it sounds more obvious in this track.
I have to admit I’m surprised about the score. It sounds like a very classic orchestral score, far less modern than the most previous film scores even, and I wonder how well that will fit with the radically “contemporary modern” visuals.
The TMP theme is the “real Star Trek theme?” Rubbish. Courage’s theme is a classic and it’s about time it got its due in a motion picture.
#59 – As has been explained a million times, That’s just how Giachinno does his titles for every movie, and for LOST. It has no bearing on the movie itself.
I love the new sound track. The end credits one made the hairs stand up on the back of my neck.
Though I do miss the TMP theme that has been present in most of the ST films.
I managed to get tickets for an advance screening of Star Trek at the IMAX Odeon in Wimbledon at 6pm 7th of May. I surprised they are allowed to show it a day early. Only two other seats had been booked!
Confirmation from someone that saw the movie. Track 5 is the Enterprise reveal.
I’m gonna cry.
Totally underwhelmed, sounds like pleasant underscore but I don’t see it joining Stealing the Enterprise or V’Ger or even The Dish as classic Trek cuts you play without the movie. It’s kinda sad they would let pedestrian sounding music accompany such a great looking movie. If Giacchino couldn’t hack it, Abrams should have let quality win out over loyalty and brought on someone else. I’ve also read little to no praise about the score from most of the advance reviews so I’m thinking the ball was dropped… Oh well maybe they can fix that in the sequel.
Amazing how people can jump straight to absolutes based on less than two minutes of music. What you’re hearing is little cuts from longer tracks. How can you form an opinion of the whole based on snippets?
All these clips do is give you some clues about the score,
and so far I like them. Sure the score doesn’t seem to be as complex, mature and original as Jerry Goldsmith’s first score, but then that’s one that almost impossible to top. And it doesn’t seem to have the tension and directness of Horner’s scores, but I’d say that it seems to be on par with Goldsmith’s later efforts or Cliff Eidelmann’s score for The Undiscovered Country.
Giacchino is a talented composer who knows what to do with an orchestra, I’m sure that the complete score will be absolutely appropriate. In the sense that it will be a big, brassy, exciting summer movie score with hopefully enough personality.
The inclusion of the original series theme is wonderful and curious. I hope it will fit in with the film and be more than simply a camp reference the old show.
I just preordered my tickets for 7pm on May 7th!!!!!!!!!!! Online @ Fandango.com. Put in your zip code and it scans theaters in your area. The 8th will again see it in IMAX!
Alexander Courage’s theme song still sends a chill down my spine every time I hear it. Might be worht the ticket simply to hear it in the cinema once again. (We partook of “The Cage” so we heard it there, first.)
Sincerely,
C.S. Lewis
ehhhhh… giacchino communicatored this score in… nothin impressive here…30 second clips though… please let the score depend on more than various horns…needs more strings…less goldsmith, more eidelman…
I love those little bits of the soundtrack! My thinking is the whole TOS theme will appear at the end, probably the fanfare (what Alexander Courage dubbed “Where No Man Has Gone Before” ) in the “To Boldly Go” segment, and then a pull away from the bridge out to space during the start of “End Credits”, the Enterprise warping away during that short string section with a sound of slight foreboding, and when you hear at the end of that sample the reprise of the TOS theme, the credits start to roll then.
Mr. Atomic, you have neither seen TMP, nor Search for Spock nor The Voyage Home, have you? Courage’s theme pops up more than once and very prominently.
It sounds to me as though MG has done well by Courage’s original score. If he’d just done a copy of it it would easily sound dated (as the original does – beautiful little piece of music but very much of its time). From what I hear in that clip, he’s paid a nice tribute.
I’ve become too old for those dance parties. How sad that is.
Anyone else thinking that Alan Silvestri would be able to deliver a kick ass Star Trek score?
Or John Ottman.
I’m sure the music will be fine in the movie (if sparse), but the TV theme treatment seems a little kitschy (it almost doesn’t want to be played by a huge orchestra).
Well, this new guy’s no Horner or Goldsmith, but its still good. I think it would have been smart, though, as far as throwing the theme to TOS in the end, to put the TMP theme in instead. It was the theme to TMP first, and lets just face it, its more recognizable. But the main test is how well the music fits with the movie, and we still have 3 weeks to go on that one.
I’ve never heard Giacchino write bad music. I started watching Alias because I found I was being captivated by the in-scene music…and then Lost got me the same way.
Track 5 is my favourite, and there is a LOT of TWOK in there. I had that feeling with Hella Bar Talk, but it’s even more apparent here. Not actual notes (apart from the occasional motif), but more the changes in harmony.
And I think the end credits are very respectful, and an inspiring orchestration of that theme. Alexander Courage and Jerry Goldsmith were orchestrators and arrangers of each others compositions, so finding a dividing line between the two might be difficult.
(And who suggested Williams? Bleh. The last good SF score he wrote was Return of the Jedi, although one or two pieces from the SW prequels were good, notably Duel of the Fates. Of course, he didn’t have very good material to work with for the prequels…)
It’s very difficult, musically, to allude to another composer’s score without copying it (and I’ve written lots of SF fan music, in my early years…) but I think Michael Giacchino has done an extremely good job based on what I’ve heard.
You can’t please everyone, obviously, as 50% of the comments above indicate. But that’s what I’ve been thinking about recently : You can’t execute a creative project designed by committee. Especially if that committee is composed of Star Trek fans. Because each of them (us) will think one or other aspect is more important than another. And you end up with a negotiated script / score which is a complete flop at the theater. Which is one of the reasons I’m glad a strong-willed director like JJ Abrams, two good writers like Alex and Bob, and a confident composer like Michael Giacchino, have been entrusted with the task of creating a movie people might actually enjoy. At least you know the piece will accomplish something interesting on its own terms.
#83 BINGO. You’ve probably also like me hummed that and know it comes to right about 29 seconds. ;) So we have Courage’s fanfare title being matched by Giacchino’s fanfare title. He’s snarky like that!
And to the cuss who thinks Giacchino’s titles are flippant. Go back and check out your TMP titles on the soundtrack, eh? “Spock Walk” (sounding like Spock Wok, eh?), “Total Logic”, “Floating Office” and “A Good Start”. Goldsmith wasn’t into creating florally orchestral titles either.
MG’s take on Courage’s theme is in ways superior to Goldsmith’s using it in the manner it was used with TNG. I always hated TNG’s theme, it being the fusion of Courage’s intro with Goldsmith’s main theme.
# 73
That combination worked fairly well for Star Wars.
We can’t make judgements based on a mere collection of 30 second clips from the score to a 2 hour 6 minute movie.
#94 – I agree. But that comment is equally true of the trailers, no? And yet how many comments are on this board making exactly that type of judgment? :-)
95. So far, everything the trailers implied have turned out to be true. The contrived plot of Kirk going from cadet to Captain in no time, the pipe engine room, a lot of other stuff that everyone here tried to deny (for themselves) by saying “wait until you’ve seen the movie, it could be completely different for all we know.” But it is EXACTLY as I feared.
Having listened to the available snippets, I’m not bowled over. The Two Steps From Hell score for the trailer on the other hand grabbed me right from the start.
Still, I look forward to giving the whole score its fair due when it arrives in the theater, with all the visuals overlaid, and the excitement of watching a new Trek adventure. If it does nothing but enhance the emotional tone and pace of a good story that will have been enough for me. I’m not likely to purchase or listen to the score on my ipod based on what I’ve heard so far but that ’s me. The trailer score on the other hand just might :D
Your opinion may differ… IDIC
Let’s try to guess how many tickets have been sold for Trek’s first weekend, I’m in
~15… Jeez.. oh now the music can be slated as sh*t also… yep, oh and just like the film.. an opinion based on a “small” clip… you haters just make me sigh in dis-belief… if ya don’t like the film (and now even the music).. don’t keep fricken checking up on it.. sad, sad, sad.
In Germany nearly all Cinemaxx and Cineplex cinemas (you find those practically everywhere) will show Star Trek already on the 6. May. I have already tickets for the film beginning at 20.00 hours ;-)
I can only advise everyone in Germany to order tickets NOW before they are gone for the 6. May showing.
As much as I love the rearrangement of the TOS theme, I’m glad it’s being saved.
The smartest thing David Arnold could do with the Bond reboot (”Casino Royale” and “Quantum of Solace”) was save the James Bond until AFTER Bond finished his quest to become 007 by teasing us with it a little.
Also, I imagine using that TOS theme as a huge booming anthem, a la Goldsmith’s TMP theme, would be difficult – they are two different kinds of theme music.
Kudos to the use of the chorus on the TOS theme – whoever said it before me is right, it just isn’t the theme without that human quality to it.
I HATE that they’re waiting until May 5th to release this sucker. I’ve begged the guys at the shop where I buy albums to let me have at it early. Thankfully, they open at midnight Monday night/Tuesday morning to give insane folk like me first crack at the new releases. I’ll be having one of those bastards put aside for me and will no doubt bring my laptop along so I can listen to the album, end credits first, on the 20 minute drive home.
One little note – apparently tehy’re not including “Sabotage” by the Beastie Boys. If you watch the clips from the Austin premiere posted on this site, you can see the song credits come up with the titles at the end of the movie, and “Sabotage” is one of the songs credited. another song credited is “Awasoruk Jam” by a band called Cyrano Jones. Bad Robot is the producer of this track. There are also two more songs that were on the right-hand side of the screen that you can’t see on this video.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who cried when they heard the TOS theme play again.
The end credits theme game me goosebumps…..
#97
I, too, was disappointed that the music from the third trailer was not Giacchino’s score. However, having listened to those snippets, I think it sounds good!
As soon as I read Giacchino’s name attached to the movie, I thought he was a fantastic choice. (I love his scores for ‘Lost’, ‘The Incredibles’ and ‘Ratatouille’.) I’d love to get my hands on that soundtrack….
Hearing the TOS theme in there was awesome!
I can’t wait to see this. Half of the folks at work are taking the afternoon off to see it, enmasse (Yeap, the Boss is coming too)
Can’t wait!
Got my tickets – YES!!! For those of you going at midnight, I’ll try not to spoil it for you! Muhahaha!!!
I thought both the TMP and TOS themes were in the movie’s outro. We may not be hearing all in this little snippet. I like what I hear, I miss big symphonic soundtracks, I feel they really “sell” what you see onscreen.
Good God I’m lovin’ the clips. Can’t believe the wait is almost over!
Track 9 -Does it still mcfly?
For some reason the thought of supply lines and docking ports being retracted from the enterprise comes to mind.
The visual weight of the nacelles drooping down a bit with gravity as the enterprise powers into lifting off the surface of earth.
HOLY COW!!!!!
Giacchino’s Theme….track 5….SPECTACULAR!!!!
Courage’s Theme….the credits….WOW!!!!!!!!
As a professional musician, I like what MG has done so far. No one should slam him yet for creating a bad score. Honestly? You’ve hardly heard much to go on. And since it hasn’t been pointed out already, the music from the esurance and mtv featurettes is also a part of the score. Its official. I can’t wait for more.
Also, I was very surprised to hear the original track at the end. I like what he’s done with it, and I think its a great ode to the original series, as it gives me goose-bumps, not because of its majesty, but because of what it means to me. However, if I were doing the score, I think I might have chosen to go with TMP theme instead. But I’m not disappointed.
#101 — “another song credited is ‘Awasoruk Jam’ by a band called Cyrano Jones.”
“Kurosawa”? Fascinating…
I liked the first three clips, especially Enterprising Young Men and Does It Still McFly? Those definitely have a western feel that I liked very much.
I’m notas sure about End Credits though. Yes, it’s nice that we get to hear the TOS theme in a cinematic form, but it wasn’t wowed by it. I think perhaps if it had been used more subtly like in TMP, it would’ve worked a little better for me.
Personally, I’m glad he stayed away from Goldsmith’s theme. It’s old hat at this point, having been trotted out for TMP, TFF, TNG and FC. Let it rest. Give someone else a chance to do something interesting and different.
I love Enterprising young Man. that theme works great !!!
I suspect that little interlude in the TOS theme is the Romulan material.
I love what I’m hearing so far.
I never liked the original Star Trek theme, so I don’t really care for that. That’s just me though, and I do like everything else I heard. Quality wise, the music is really, really, really GOOD!
I really like the music… sounds VERY EPIC! The “End Credits” almost brought a tear to my eye. Awesome stuff!! I can’t wait to hear the rest of it. Good job!
I hope that clip from Enterprising Young Men is the first reveal (in Space) of the Enterprise. Even imagining it that way gives me goosebumps.
Glorious music from Mr. Giacchino. I love the full-tilt, balls-to-the-wall orchestral approach contrasting with wildly futuristic visuals.
And its a lot more fun than that Berman-mandated droning from mid-TNG onwards. Seriously. who pays for a fully orchestrated score and then won’t allow you to DO ANYTHING WITH IT? No wonder Ron Jones quit.
Ok, mini-rant over. Sorry.
Why does Details always have at least one cringe-inducing headline on every cover?
Just saw tv spot #2 during Lost.
Never mind that it was just two minutes of music; they were a crappy two minutes and frankly, I’d like them back. As venerable as the Alexander Courage theme is, it doesn’t work at all when simply thrown up on the silver screen, as the end credits sample can attest to. It needs some adaptation before it’s ready. The rest was not just bland, but cheesy to the point of being irritating. Unless the entire rest of the soundtrack absolutely WOWS me and what we heard is completely uncharacteristic, I’m sad to say that I’ve gone from really looking forward to seeing Star Trek to being willing to go see it out of charity. Music’s a big thing for me.
Oh, and to anyone equating what we’ve heard so far with Eidelman’s ST:VI score, let alone Goldsmith’s stuff…how many years has it been since you actually listened to the latter, and how many different kinds of crack are you on? :)
Score sounds okay. But where, oh where, is the blaster beam (AKA the V’ger sound)?
120. Shunnabunich
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but there’s no need to be absolutely rude and insulting. As a knowledgeable musician, I think, for the most part, he’s set us up for a good score. I’m puzzled by the inclusion of the original theme, but I like what he’s done with it. The rest sounds pretty good to me. And no, I am not on any form of crack.
Did anybody else catch the western-like feel to Giacchino’s score for “Star Trek?” Definitely appropriate, since Roddenberry pitched Trek as a “Wagon Train to the stars.”
Also, I’m planning a big get-together for me and some others to go and see “Trek” in IMAX. Never seen a movie in the IMAX theater before, and I think it’s fitting that “Trek” will be my first.
God bless!
#88
I thought the same of Ottman after his Superman Returns soundtrack. He even mentions Trek in the liner notes of the CD. I think he would have really gotten it.
121 – Not Applicable. Love that sound in TMP (and in Treks II and III if you listen closely).
A fun article idea: The Music of Star Trek Movies and TV !!!
Nice lead in for the Soundtrack I suspect.
Jeff Bond?
I aDORE that “Ruined Star Trek” gallery. If you haven’t, GO CHECK IT OUT!! xD It’s absolutely hysterical!
@126: He wrote a really cool book, “The Music of Star Trek” that covered everything from TOS to Insurrection. Highly recommended.
@120: Uncut Nicaraguan, since you asked.
122 – The Original Theme is there because it’s what started it all musically.
In some ways, this film is intended as the pilot Star Trek never had.
(first time comment poster, I hope people don’t point their phasers at me)
#16 – Agree. And I do hope people will reserve final judgment on the soundtrack once they’ve heard the whole thing, and in context. Although truly great musical scores sound wonderful as stand-alone music, sometimes people forget that primarily, the score is there to complement the visuals, amplify the mood, set the tone, etc. The End Credits may be another matter altogether, though. I like what I heard from the clips. Michael Giacchino rocks! And John Williams is one of my all-time favorite score composers, but yes, there have been some forgettable tracks in the past. Everyone does have an off day. ;)
#26 – Shirtless Chris Pine! haha! I agree. :)
#59 – If it was indeed Mr. Giacchino who named the tracks (sometimes the Big Bosses override the composer, but I doubt it happened here), then it’s actually very reminiscent of his previous works, check out their track listings. :) Personally, I think it’s fun, and it doesn’t take away from the work and the movie itself anyway. :)
OK…I have to say I LOVED that music clip from Giacchino. I hadn’t heard of him before, but I can tell just from that clip that he’s one of the best out there today. I’ll definately be sitting through the end credits just for the music!
Eidelman’s score was extremely derivative and not all that good. The price was right, though.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cliff_Eidelman
This is incredibly disappointing. This sounds like Orchestra writing 101 stuff. His orchestrations for a large symphony orchestra should not be in a major motion picture. Further his interpolation of the original Star Trek theme into his score is absolutely elementary at best. I’ve heard better stuff than this in high school. In fact the first action clip sounds a lot like a marching band piece I heard in high school. The more I hear of this, the more I am certain this guy has no business writing original scores for a major motion picture.
133. RD
Do you ever have ANYTHING nice to say?
Cinemusic has a better preview with more & different clips:
http://www.cinemusic.net/2009/04/15/soundtrack-preview-star-trek/
135. RD
Well, I may have spoken too soon. :-)
music sucks.
#133-Well, I AM a high school band teacher and I like it! Goldsmith will always be my favorite, but this isn’t bad at all. Thanks for the new link, by the way. I am SO READY for this movie!!!!!
137. drij
Well, I’m sorry to hear you hate music. Maybe someday something will inspire you. :-) he he.
So many people don’t know anything about movie scores outside of Zimmer and everyone from his school that all sound exactly the same. (Which are pretty good, not to disparage them, but..) This is big, epic orchestral magic that we very rarely get any more. I can’t say for certain because the soundtrack is not released…But this is shaping up to be one of the best scores in the long incredible history of Trek music.
Listen to the cinemusic ones…Perfect.
Hey, I like the soundtrack – at least that you can listen to now. Though the theme that’s also on the official web page reminds me of the batman OST, too.
And some of the “Ruin Star Trek” pics are really funny!
For all you mighty UK fans, Empire Leicester Square are screening the movie from Thursday 7th May – I’m booked at a 20.45 screening but there are plenty of others (seats still available as of now)
https://www.empirecinemas.co.uk/?page=booking&tbx_site_id=5&perf_id=156777
Still wish they had incorporated Jerry Goldsmiths theme into the movie
Still seems to be a good score though.
I love that the original theme has been incorporated into the music for Star Trek!
I havn’t booked my ticket yet however I planning on seeing the movie on May 7th when it comes out here in Australia. I have a CPA exam on May 6th so Star Trek is gonna be a great reward for the hours of study I’m going to have to do before then!
I’m taking the week off work after my exam so it should give me the chance to see Star Trek a few times!
10 seems like a nice round number! :)
some of these tracks have given moe more hope for the score but this sounds no where near as good as Jerry Goldmith, James Horner or Dennis McCarthy.
Howeve, I love how he has incorporated the TOS theme, too bad it is only in the end credits, which means to the mainstream audience it won’t be heard by them as the mainstream audience do not stay till the end of the end credits.
Great inteviews! The actors have really captured the essence of Star Trek with thei comments. The soundtack snippets were wonderful. I can’t wait for mine to be shipped from Amazon. I collect movie soundtracks.
A little off topic but I wanted to ask the UK posters if Sky TV offers cable service or is it sattelite. My husband and I are moving to the UK in June and I was curious. I think Virgin offers similar services.
#46 (sean): “And see, that’s WHY I thought it was outstanding. Soundtracking Star Trek like a western is pitch perfect, in my view.”
I didn’t say that I didn’t like the western-ish part. In fact, I totally agree with your argument. :) The orchestration of these tutti chords is however a bit strange — almost sounds like an organ with full stops.
Seems like Dennis Bailey is a TUC hater.
It’s safe to say that his new main theme is not as good as The Motion Picture, First Contact, Wrath of Khan or Undiscovered Country.
#146 – Nope Sky is a satellite service only, Virgin Media’s pretty much the only cable provider now and is quite good if you want a good value phone+cable+broadband bundles. Can’t top Sky for channels and picture quality though, and Sky+ (similar to TIVO) is awesome.
The new clips at http://www.cinemusic.net/2009/04/15/soundtrack-preview-star-trek/ are indeed awesome. The End Music section sampled shows how effortlessly Giacchino’s mixed his recurring movie theme with the classic Courage…
#148 He’s Absolutely Right [tm] though.
Jarod its a bit early to say that and the new “old” Enterprise theme is really good and maby we get also some new interpreted Jerry Goldsmith thems to hear. Oh i can wait to sea and hear the Enterprise going the first time on Warp speed in this Movie.
Further note… one of the reviewers notes Giacchino’s use of the Chinese erhu for Spock’s theme… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erhu
This is excellent…
#149 His new theme? You’ve already got the full CD? You’ve only heard echoes and repeats of the theme in the few snippets at the Sarabande and Cinemusic sites. The theme playing at Star Trek Movie.com is a variation on the Main Theme called Hella Bar Talk, it’s not the theme itself. I think they’re holding the full music until the debut. I already heard from an Austin viewer the music is both memorable, you’ll hum it, and it’s a return to the classic Goldsmith-Courage with its use of choir throughout.
The new cinemusic End Music shows how well the new movie motif fits the original Star Trek.
LOL, Tiberius, come on… what you hear in these clips is the whole Giachino theme already, even played in different variations. And it’s not as good as other themes in my opinion. What’s so hard about accepting that? Maybe one needs to look at the new Enterprise from various angles to be able to judge the full design, but you don’t have to listen to the entire soundtrack to judge the new main theme.
Yeah, LOL @ Daoud. Now you say “You don’t even have the full CD.” And after I got the “full” CD, you’d say “You didn’t listen to the music in the movie, there’s so much more music in the movie.”, and after I did that, you’d say “You just can’t enjoy things for what they are.”
It’s always the same with you guys.
There seems to be a bug in the site. I KNOW I’m not first, but no comments are appearing unless I reload the page. This happens occasionally, and unpredictably.
There are four more tracks from the soundtrack
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzyeVV7zMA0
Well, What Have I said all along?? I have always loved Michael’s compositions from his video game soundtracks all the way up to now!!!
Way to go!!! Can’t wait to hear it in DTS or Dolby or SDDS whichever my local theater carries their digital sound in. Another masterpiece on your hands!!!
On the use of erhu for Spock’s music, if you’re not familiar with this Chinese stringed instrument, a great clip from Gouwei Wang is available if you scroll down to http://www.musicfromchina.org/meetMusicians/WangGuowei.htm
Those who recall the moving bass theme by Gerald Fried in “Amok Time” should be pleased to know Giacchino’s has studied previous TOS episode scoring and instrumentation.
#155 Well Mr. Musicology, how about offering something relevant musically other than your opinion, which you’ve already expressed 4 times now?
What, do you want me to sing for you?
Jarod Jarod All i wanted to say was that you can not really judge the hole movie soundtrack by this bits and i cant do it either .But it sounds really that bad for you? For me not at all !
Tiberius, where did I say that the soundtrack sounds bad?
Well sorry i slightly missunderstanding!
I just saw the epic drydoc scene from Star Trek: The Motion Picture and maybe i anderstand you a bit better, we will sea!
If you ask me the score sounds great. Loving “Labor of Love”. I do however wish we were also getting “The Motion Picture” / TNG March along with the Alexander Courage theme.
Its a hard gig though. So much of a rich musical history, yet a need to give us all something new.
Thank God, finally – more music samples!
#113 — as much as I love the Goldsmith theme, I have to agree — it’s time to give it a rest. Maybe next movie they can re-introduce it. :-) I LOVED hearing the original series theme here, but I’m also glad that it’s basically in the end credits. It might pull me out of the movie if I hear the full-blown version during a key scene.
Overall the two minutes worked for me. The complaints above remind me of when ‘Dark Knight’ came out and tons of people griped about the music. But a year later it’s still it’s one of my favorite scores, and still on the CD/iPod rotation. At least hold off until you hear the whole score, in the context of the movie. Jeez, I can’t wait! Three long weeks. . . .
#157 Schultz — Thanks for the link! It’s sounding better and better . . . I hear the spirit of classic Trek, definitely. I also like how MG blends the classic Trek theme with the new theme.
BTW, the “Ruin Trek” Photoshop is awesome. :-)
# 88 / # 89 100% yes.
#166 (ElrondL): “I also like how MG blends the classic Trek theme with the new theme.”
Exactly. In Giacchino’s main theme there are a few subtle nods to Courage’s TOS theme, but also direct parallels, like the descending triplet figure. No wonder that they complement each other well. Still, I had hoped that Giacchino would present his own take on Courage’s theme, a new and modernized version.
Despite Eidelman reworking ‘The Planets’ for his score, it’s still one of my favorites. So much darker than any other TOS movie, and it really stands out. After 5 films with an UP UP UP score, it was a welcome change in tone.
Also, ‘Run And Shoot Offense’ sounds VERY classic Trek, to me.
Eidelmann’s score is terrific.
David Arnold would be another great composer for a Trek movie.
#169. I agree. Eidelman’s career never took off really to match the prestige of Star Trek, indeed he should have never had that job in the first place and there was much controversy about it in Hollywood. However, he was a classically trained composer who knew what he was doing and how to write for a symphonic orchestra. The ONLY composer in the Star Trek franchise I took exception to was Leonard Roseman’s ST:IV score, which truly sounded like a high school band concert.
Giancchino, however, is NOT a classically trained musician. He went to school to be George Lucas. He started producing video games and started writing music as a by-product of producing the games, at a time when music was not a vital component of them. That introduced him to Disney as a producer in 1997 and he used those relationships to move full time into writing music. Not that his talent should be diminished by any means simply because he never had any formal training, however his cinematic orchestral writing is NOT up to par with Horner, or Eidleman and is only slightly more sophisticated than Rosenman’s silly score. The music he writes for LOST is perfectly suited to that show and truly pushes the limits of what a composer can do with a small TV orchestra, but no more translates to feature film writing than the music for DESPERATE HOUSEWIVES, which is perfectly suited for that show.
It’s not the size of the clips previewed here that are at issue, but what can be heard in them. It is derivative, bland, uninspired and devoid of anything memorable, particularly for such an iconic franchise. While that is not the full measure of the effectiveness of a film score, it is a hallmark of a talented one. Until the score is seen in context with the film, it is hard to say what the impact will be, or how effective he is as a dramatic underscore composer. Ultimately, these are two separate issues and I’ve heard more than enough to criticize the music itself – and it lowers the bar yet another notch for film music in general.
On a separate note, there is some similarity here between the original producer/composer team. Rodenberry screwed TOS composer Alexander Courage out of main title royalties by writing horrible lyrics to the theme which were never used, and putting himself down as the co-composer for performance income purposes, essentially cheating Courage out of millions of dollars worth of royalties over the life of the copyright (a source of life-long animosity). In a related move, JJ Abrams is listed as the SOLE composer of the Main Title Theme for LOST, which consists of essentially one note. He repeated this pattern on FRINGE. Evidently, Giancchino is so grateful to be working on the Abrams’ money machine that he doesn’t mind, and JJ apparently can’t have enough money. Oh well, so many people working outside their fields, what’s one more?
@ 150
Thank you! I will research both Virgin. And Sky and detrmine which meets our needs. We use TiVo quite a lot.
IMO the music in ST XI has a Western theme rather than the nautical theme that was present in the earlier Star Trek movies.
#173
Agree with you about Eidelman, but totally disagree about MG. I truly enjoy what I’ve heard from these clips, and look forward to seeing them in action in a few weeks!
#173 (RD)
What do you expect? Honestly?! The year is 2009. The 60s/70s/80s are gone. Today’s films are safety first, and so is much of the music composed for them, i.e. derivative, uninspired, bland etc.. But I don’t see how you can judge the new Star Trek score from these few clips. At the moment I think it sounds like a mixed bag, but there’s a lot in there that I loved, and lot that is not amateur as you insinuate.
84,
Of course I’ve seen the movies. Courage’s score was little more than incidental music in those (just used for the “Captain’s Log” entries in TMP). I was obviously talking about the Courage theme getting to be front & center like Giacchino is using it.
#174
My god, you’re right! The beginning of Enterprising Young Men sounds a lot like the theme to the High Chaparral !!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu4g-N8bQKE&feature=related
178, ha, yeah, except for it doesn’t.
@ 178
I love Westerns and I thought that too. It sounded a little like the music from the Magnificent Seven. TWOK sounded like the music from Master and Commander.
#180
I’m glad *someone* agrees with me. Magnificent Seven is a better match actually – and hey, maybe the main Enterprise bridge crew ARE our Magnificent Seven..?
@ 181
Yes! The Magnificent Seven in space.
Listening to the music clips and reading the various articles featuring the cast is getting me psyched for May 8th.
#180/181 – YOU GOT IT! That would really be my favorite way of bringing Star Trek back … The Mag 7 … maybe that’s what this is! If so, ingenious! If not, then … not.
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