Exclusive Star Trek DVD/Blu-ray Clip: Check out the Gorn and Salt Vampire November 16, 2009
by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: DVD/Blu-ray, Star Trek (2009 film) , trackback
The Star Trek DVD and Blu-ray sets coming out tomorrow have lots of cool special features, showing off lots of behind-the-scenes footage. TrekMovie has nabbed an exclusive clip from a section on the make-up, talking about Romulans, and showing off the Salt Vampire and Gorn that never made it to the screen.
Clip: Masks vs. Prosthetics from ‘Aliens’ Featurette
The "Aliens" featurette is available on both the 2-disk DVD and the 3-disk Blu-ray.
The Gorn (from “Arena”) and the Salt Vampire (also known as the M-113 creature from “The Man Trap”) are both classic original series aliens. The new versions were developed to be background aliens for the Rura Penthe Klingon prison scenes, which were cut from the final Star Trek film.
TOS Gorn and Salt Vampire
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great to see the Gorn again….
Wow. Can’t wait to see what the Gorn and the Salt Creature. But the Salt Creature in the Tos was the last of it’s kind. I guess it was a good thing they did not introduce it in the Movie. But the Gorn would have been a great addition.
Can’t wait till its out! Cool stuff!
I’d love to see the Gorn Hegemony become the Big Bad in the new timeline. Can’t wait to get the DVD tomorrow!!!
#2
Yes but the TOS adventure has not happened yet so that salt vampire must be the same salt vampire we saw in the original timeline….am i making sense……man my brain hurts!
It’s cool that they were able to realize these creatures, but I am curious as to just where in the movie they were originally supposed to appear as I very much doubt we would have seen them wandering about the grounds of Starfleet Academy.
Where was the Gorn? I saw the Salt Vampire, but I didn’t see a Gorn.
you wouldnt sign up for “hand to hand combat- as tought by Professor Gorn”? or “Life without the shaker: Life can go on sans salt by Professor Salt Vampire”?
Actually the video says they were made for the background of the Klingon prison
Hmmm… The Salt Vampire? And the Gorn? What happend with their mouthes? If I remember correctly the Salt Vampire had something like a face and a round mouth. Maybe it’s a different line from the same species? And aren’t the Gorn more dinosaur or lizzard-like? I guess the poor guy had some serious injuries after fighting with brute Klingons.
Awesome!!!
# 5 You may be correct. it would havt to be the same one and that means that mccoys Love flame could still be either Alive or Dead. Depending on weather the Salt Vampire killed her or a Klingon did. But hey. A few Lucky Big E Redshirts are still Alive. At least for a moment. Update the Gorn a little for the Tos but keep the same basic desgn. Not the one they did on Enterprise Eps In a Mirrior Darkly.
I didn’t see the Gorn either…
That Gorn looked bad-ass. Hopefully they’ll find room for him/her in the sequel.
11, yeah the Gorn wasn’t the best part of that 2 parter.
I prefer the more dinosaurian Gorn rather than the scaly guy they did here. Just saying’, loved those big eyes :)
New salt-vampire is good.
New Gorn is bad.
I kinda liked the Gorn in Enterprise.
Anyway, hyper-nerd confession. In “The Cage” when Pike is getting a glimpse of the other animals in the zoo, he see’s a bird like creature. I like to assume that’s a Xindi Avian, long thought to be extinct, but kept in captivity for a few generations.
……THAT IS A GORN?!
No, please no. Gorns have snouts. That is no snout.
Wow! Seeing all these amazing creatures makes me really hope we will be seeing some of them in the sequel.
Agreed, 16. The Gorn wasn’t dinosaurian enough for me, and I loved the silver compound eyes of the original Wah Chang suit.
But the Salt Vampire? Creepy as hell. Well done.
I will take the Blu-Ray plunge with this sucker, for sure.
I’m sorry. I can’t get enough of this.
JJ, your attempt at realism doesn’t mean you should de-alienize ALIENS! THAT IS NOT HOW A GORN SHOULD LOOK!
I don’t think that was a gorn… Enterprise redid the gorn, and they were on the money. Does the DVD say that the alien was a gorn?
The video has been made private, so I can’t see it. Could it please be reuploaded to some other video site.
@23. “Does the DVD say that the alien was a gorn?”
Did the movie say that the Orion girl Gaila was an Orion? Nope. She’s probably not Orion.
I’m not keen on the Gorn having a flat snout, but otherwise it’s a terrific redesign so add the long snout and compound eyes to this, and I’d love the Gorn to be in the sequel as a villain or ally.
….I can’t help it. That is by far the worst rendition of a classic alien from Star Trek I have ever seen.
THIS forgives every single bad thing I had to say about the Gorn in Enterprise. I can’t believe I’m going to watch an episode of ENTERPRISE and praise it over this 170+ million dollar budget spectacle that can’t get aliens right. And that’s from the bottom of my heart. ENTERPRISE tried making the gorn look ALIEN, not some dooded up mask wearing Hew-mon!
I think this Gorn could be a variation of the species that developed elsewhere on the Gorn home world. But maybe he was just punched really hard in the snout by a bad-ass Klingon. ;-)
I just got email from Amazon that they shipped my DVDs today! WOO HOO!
The Gorn is at the 2 second mark, not sure how you can miss it. It looks really good…and surprisingly faithful to the original….basically all of the features are there….just updated to work better as a prosthetic. The salt vampire looks amazing too…look at the mouth, so moist looking. lol Blech.
@29: “It looks really good…and surprisingly faithful to the original….basically all of the features are there….just updated to work better as a prosthetic.”
You call that faithful? That so-called Gorn doesn’t have a quarter of the intimidation or awesomeness as the original. That cannot be a Gorn!
What’s next? Tholians are actually humans wearing masks?
Can anyone answer me this:I was looking at some make up special fx photos of the star trek film the other day, and something was not right about a photo of Nero whith his redish scrars on his head and ear….The scars should not be red but green.If i remember, Romulans and Vulcans are distant cousins so if the Vulcans have green blood…You know what i mean!?!
@31. “The scars should not be red but green.”
Welcome to the new and “REALISTIC” Star Trek universe where Orion Girls no longer have black hair, Klingons wear helmets all the time, Vulcans no longer have any sense of dignity and Starfleet gives a selfish, cheating, arrogant a**hole command of their flagship.
That is NOT a Gorn! They don’t need to take too many liberties, when non fans wouldn’t even know the difference!
Salt monster looks pretty cool.
I hope that’s not supposed to be a Gorn, cuz…it’s just not.
Nice to know Shatner has someone to commisserate with. The Gorn, Salt Vampire, Klingons, Shat. All, not in the movie.
Hmm….reimagining the Gorn. Nice work, JJ. How about we turn the Klingon’s bright pink, give them tentacles and furry blue teddy-bears instead of Bat’leths? Great idea.
(Please notice my sarcasm…)
The Gorn in Enterprise was good. But I like the Classic one much betrer. If J.J and Comp would make the Gorn Simaler to the Tos Version but make him more real looking them i would be ok. The Aliens in the Miniseries V to me look more Gorn then anything and they stole that from Tos Arena. Just my opnion though.
Wow you guys are really mad about a BACKGROUND alien that didn’t even make it to the film…chill out.
#38. Yes we are mad. Im ready to put everyone in the Agoniser booth for 3 days straight. Im mad and Im not goig to take it. Ok. I feel better now.
@38
It’s more than a background alien. It’s the thought that this is how they think the Gorn should look like. It’s terrible.
in contrast to the TOS Gorn, The new concept is workable, I wasnt a big fan of ENTERRISE Gorn either. I was just hoping since TOS that the gorn would never be seen again..Very Mole-man like and atomic. mucho like sleestack..HIIISSsssssssssssssssssssss!
@41
I would rather have the original Gorn suit from TOS than two seconds of that ‘thing’. It’s just stupid looking.
I think some people are really missing the forest for the trees here.
What I think is very impressive is that they went to the trouble to recreate some classic Trek species and they chose to make very detailed (and expensive) suits/make-up instead of just cgi, and just for some background aliens. Barney Burman’s team did some amazing work on the aliens that showed a lot of Trek love.
If you want to lose your cookies over a snout, i feel for you.
As I stated on this site two years ago, if you watch the new Star Trek movie solely through the lens of ‘what is different’ and assume any difference=bad, then you are going to miss out.
It would be cool to have the Gorn in the new movie become an ally. After all, it was discovered that the Gorn were reacting to the Federation as if they were invaders. They were highly evolved.
@43:”I think some people are really missing the forest for the trees here.”
Anthony, the forest has been burnt to the ground and we are just looking over the remains. And it’s not so much that the Gorn doesn’t have a snout that bothers me, but more along the lines of how JJ and his team will ‘reinterpret’ other classic aliens. Will they try and stay true to their form, or just change them for the sake of looking more ‘human’ or ‘realistic’?
And what’s wrong with CGI? More than half the shots in the movie use CGI. There are even humans that are CGI. What about District 9? That movie showed us that we can relate to non-humanoid looking CGI creatures who can’t speak english in a convincing manner. So if CGI can present us with positive results if used right, what is wrong with CGI?
Oh, and I’ve heard about this ‘inspired by the gorn’ stuff from the Art of Star Trek. That kind of brings an awkward twist to things. When you’re looking at Star Trek for inspiration to make aliens for a STAR TREK movie, why not just use the said aliens?!
# 43 Anthony Pascale
I can’t see why it should be wrong to prefer Gorns with snouts? I like dinosaurs and they have snouts too.
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#43 “if you watch the new Star Trek movie solely through the lens of ‘what is different’ and assume any difference=bad, then you are going to miss out.”
Anthony, I wanted this film to work so badly. It was my #1 film I wanted to see ever since the first hard news came from this site years ago. When I watched this movie, I didn’t based it on what was different, I based it on how good it was. And what I watched just wasn’t good. Not because they didn’t get Star Trek right, but because the story wasn’t good.
As for the Gorn. Let’s just say I have a soft spot for the original series aliens that tried to look “ALIEN”. When I see it here looking less Alien then it did before, why even bother with Aliens at all?
@43
Yeah, that’s great that they did with makeup instead of CGI. And it looks cool…
But if it doesn’t look like a Gorn and that’s what we’re all getting at. What’s the point in calling it a gorn? These people are talented It’s not hard to re create something, why does it look like a Jem’Hadar? Imagine if they actually made a gorn look like a gorn with all the money they have. It would’ve looked pretty sweet.
Cool alien but it doesn’t look like a gorn. They basically shouldn’t pee on my leg and tell me it’s raining. I know one thing though, Berman would’ve made it legit.
It looks like a Jem’Hadar anyway.
Yeah, and I’ll say once again… the movie missed the point of what Star Trek is. What made Trek Trek is totally out the window.
#48 “I know one thing though, Berman would’ve made it legit.”
Yeah, because he just loved TOS so much…
The salt vampire is cool but the Gorn looks atrocious I would prefer they do a high end CGI version for the next movie.
Wow, there is almost as much rancor here as in the “Why is Shanter not in the movie” threads. I think that it’s cool that they went to so much trouble to capture details from the series.
The Gorn was real bad & Salt Vamp not great. I’m glad they removed them. If they are going to reimage these characters they need to be closer to the originals. The Gorn I didn’t even recognize.
#43
I disagree, AP. Obviously most of us have accepted or learned to accept the changes in the visual aesthetic of the new film. But let’s also admit that the film-makers don’t poop gold bricks. They make mistakes as well. Even you mentioned some of the things you felt they got wrong in the interview with JJ about what worked and what didn’t. Yes, it is cool that they commited time and effort into an actual practical make-up for background aliens. And there is nothing wrong with the alleged Gorn. Except that it should not be called a Gorn. That ‘aint a Gorn. No way, shape, or form.
#52
No there is not. Not even close. I am so tired of people busting on anybody who says anythig not glowingly positive about JJ, or anything to do with the new film.
I like some of it and I didn’t like some of it. Here is a little hint for you: That is what life is like. Some good and some bad.
Seriously, people. Who cares about the Gorn. It was a background alien from a scene that was ended up on the cutting room floor. With all the other things the production team had to take into consideration when making this movie, I can forgive them for not spending an inordinate amount of time stressing over the design of an alien creature who was only ever going to be a background player.
I’m just happy they threw in little nods to TOS like that, period.
Does James Cawley have the budget for a TOS Gorn? That might satisfy some of these “critics”. It also touches my heart that the great Gorn controversy is making some of you appreciate Enterprise more. It’s about time!
Look, I also had difficulty with some aspects of JJ Trek but this is some terrific make-up work. Yeah, I would prefer a Gorn with a snout but ultimately it’s not that big a deal. It’s not even in the movie. This is a new Star Trek and not everything is going to be the same. You should know that by now.
Its nice to see that the film company tried to show some love to Trek lore by filming little scenes with some connection to TOS, but where is the love if they cut them out of the film?
I like the textural details on the STXI Gorn, but I agree that the Enterprise Gorn was more correct, and convincing despite the drawbacks of pure CGI characters (it’s a give and take, after all).
For me, this goes back to the overall excess of humanoid aliens in Star Trek. Despite its obvious primate-derived bipedal morphology, at least the TOS and Enterprise Gorn has a snout.
CGI characters enable characters that break from the primate-derived morphology. What needs to happen then is good texture-mapping. I have to hail Star Wars for having more of these, such as the Geonosians, which I find totally convincing.
Oh, but the Salt Vampire is right on, by the way….
^ CORRECTION: The Enterprise Gorn has bird & dinosaur like bipedal morphology… so that calls for still greater praise.
The TOS Gorn is still the best. That is one classic alien they shouldn’t really mess with.
I’m just going to assume now that there are different species of Gorn, and we have now seen three of them (TOS/ ENT/ ST09). Nevertheless, classic Gorn is the best!
I appreciate that Star Trek does not for the most part go the CGI route with the aliens. I really do not find the Star Wars aliens terribly convincing. They often take me out of the reality of the movie. Then again, I probably don’t even realize how much of the Star Trek aliens are CGI.
That said, I like the new Gorn and Salt Vampire, so long as they keep the snithering and hissing from “Arena.” I would be terrified seeing that creature bearing down on me, that’s for sure! I do hope they redo the Klingons however.
The original M113 creature, I thought, was one of the best aliens of the original series in terms of how it looked. When I was a kid seeing it for the first time, it terrified me, 25 years on from when the episode first aired. The new one looks kinda cool, but not really for Star Trek. The Gorn looks very Star Trek, but not really very Gorn. Though I think it’s a better job than the all-CG effort from Star Trek Enterprise
@8
Hello? Rura Penthe IS A KLINGON PRISON!!! Read up on trek lore k’?
Jeyl, keep posting at that pace, and you’re going to be the new “Ruined FOREVER” poster child over at TV Tropes…
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/RuinedFOREVER
I thought the Salt Vampire was more successful than the Gorn. The haed looked cool, but the way it didn’t blend with what you could see of the torso really made it look like a mask.
On an aside note, that guy with the 3 faces is going to HAUNT MY NIGHTMARES. Gah.
Puh-leez! I love TOS and it will always be the “best trek.” However, the TOS Gorn is only one step up from the Mugatu in believability! Just look at it’s mouth! It was fun back then, especially considering the time/budgetary constraints of the original series. The Enterprise Gorn was better the XI one but I thought it was a worthy take on the Gorn and recognized it as a Gorn right off. The new Salt Vampire spot on!
That’s no Gorn, the facial anatomy is all wrong!! Lame!
If you include the Gorn in the next Trek, please fix the make up first!
Archer’s CG, mirror-universe Gorn looked better than that mess!
That salt vampire is closer, but I doubt the Klingons have the last member of a species like that penned up in a prison, if they could even contain it, which is doubtful considering it can appear as anyone within your mind.
If they were able to capture the salt vampire, it would likely be on display somewhere on Kronos, perhaps entertaining the Chancellor when council is out of session.
That Gorn was TERRIBLE. I hope they never, ever, ever try to pass that off as a Gorn in a future film.
You can’t change the entire anatomy of a series just because you’re in an alternate timeline. Not when you’re basically acknowledging that “Enterprise” actually happened (shudder), and the Gorn in “Enterprise” resembled the TOS Gorn.
What would have been a cooler “shout-out” in the Rura Penthe scenes would have been to have Martia lurking around there somewhere…would have provided a greater connection to the original movies.
Humans and Vulcans mated. (See: Spock.)
So, what about Humans and… Gorn?
If anything, that creature looked like a Human/Gorn hybrid. :P
I dig the Salt Vampire and whereas I dont think that green guy looks like a Gorn its still a cool makeup. There may also be a lot of diversity amongst the Gorn. If Dinosaurs on our planet had continued to evolve we may have seen several intelligent and very different looking species a la ‘Dinosaurs’….”Not the Gorn (momma)!”
#67. “Jeyl, keep posting at that pace, and you’re going to be the new “Ruined FOREVER” poster child over at TV Tropes…”
Ruined forever? Hardly. I’m just a viewer with an opinion… Well, a very vocal opinion. However, there are many, MANY other elements in this new Star Trek movie that would better qualify as “ruined FOREVER” than this one Gorn that didn’t make the cut.
To me, this Gorn in this feature represents a wrong direction in representing the classic series aliens we’ve come to know. I don’t want the Gorn to look more ‘humanoid’, and I don’t want the Tholians to be human looking aliens wearing masks. If it looks like an Alien, keep it that way. Just because it looks different from what we’re used to doesn’t mean it will violate JJ’s attempt at realism.
I don’t like the new gorn or salt vampire…..just too much latex and vaseline.
My friend Jerome Mabrey played The Salt Vampire for this film, for those who are wondering. He’s da man!
Love the new salt vampire – awesome!! The gorn design is kind of meh in the sense that I couldn’t recognize it on sight (had to watch the video again) – but that one flash of the M113 critter was all it took for me to cry, “Nooo McCoy! Stay awaaaaaaaaaay!!!”
- 24thCRS
Too bad so much detail went into eyebrows….yes EYEBROWS… 1 hair at a time. Sorry to say, this does not make a better movie. What’s wrong with you people.
Guess what folks, I’m the dude planing the dude. disguised as the the Salt Vampire. hit me up on FaceBook Jerome Mabrey.
Weeellll…guess what?
I LOVE THE SALT VAMPIRE AND GORN!!! So put that in your hookah pipe and smoke it!! YEEEEEAAAAAHHH!!!!
Hope they are in the NEXT film as the main villains instead of Khan.
I know you guys hate me and never respond to my posts…aw well…
@80. From the way your post looks, someone’s already been smoking something.
I do love how a TV series with a tight budget from the 60s went with really alien looking creatures. They may look phony, but the effort is still there. Even the CGI Gorn in Enterprise isn’t all that bad now that I look at this.
I guess it’s kind of a let down that Anthony and crew seem to be ok with JJ’s attempt at making these very Alien looking creatures more human as long as they are ‘homages’ and not the actual species. I for one would prefer it if they just used the creatures they’re homaging, because why would you homage something from a series you’re now making?
However, if JJ does something along the lines like redesigning the Tholian Ships to look more like they did in the remastered version of TOS, I hope Anthony and crew would voice their same opinions as they did with the remastered episode. I do hate it when great people turn ‘yes’ men.
I thought both the Gorn and the Salt Vampire looked great, although I don’t think the Gorn had the eyes attached yet. But the designs were more than acceptable. It seems to me that people who complain at JJ for changing for the sake of changing feel the need to bitch for the sake of bitching. The fact of the matter is that Star Trek was sinking down the tubes stagnating in the very form people are complaining is now gone. I loved TOS too. Loved the characters that inhabited it, the stories it told and ideas it presented. I’m pretty sure that JJ will make the future films reflect those high-minded ideas. And hopefully in such a way that we don’t alienate the general audience. But, like it or not, something must have been done right as most of the critics and audiences loved the movie. Star Trek is relevant again. Now we have something to build on and explore for new audiences that are making Star Trek(gasp!) a blockbuster.
If you don’t, or can’t, like it. Stay at home and watch your TOS dvd’s and brood over the bygone days. I didn’t agree with everything that was done, but I don’t have to. And neither do you.
“I didn’t agree with everything that was done, but I don’t have to. And neither do you.”
Ya. If only all my teachers would not criticize my work, if only my friends would not criticize my stories, if only my coworkers wouldn’t criticize my projects, if only the critics didn’t criticize my movies. Who needs criticism?