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Saldana In Talks For New Film – Could Indicate Star Trek Sequel To Start In November June 16, 2011

by Anthony Pascale , Filed under: CBS/Paramount,Celebrity,Star Trek Into Darkness , trackback

Yesterday TrekMovie’s exclusive interview with the Star Trek sequel writers had them talk about how the film could start shooting in September, but might not. Now a new report about Zoe Saldana’s schedule indicates the sequel may be set for November. Details below.

 

Saldana in talks for "Infinitely Polar Bear" + Trek to shoot in November?

If the Star Trek sequel has any chance of meeting its June 29, 2012 release date it would have to start shooting around September, which is when JJ Abrams began shooting his Super 8 movie last year (and was released last weekend). In TrekMovie’s exclusive interview with the Star Trek sequel writer/producers posted yesterday, they said they felt they could start shooting in September, but that everything depended on JJ Abrams and they would not move forward just to meet a deadline.

Today brings a new possible wrinkle. New York Magazine’s Vulture Blog is reporting that Zoe Saldana, Star Trek’s new Uhura, is in talks to star opposite Mark Ruffalo in the drama Infinitely Polar Bear, a Paramount film being developed by JJ Abrams’ Bad Robot. The article also notes that "we also heard rumblings that Saldana plans to go from Polar Bear straight to a Star Trek sequel in November."

So it could be that Bad Robot are already working from a November schedule for the Star Trek sequel, which would fit with a film slated to be released in the Holiday season of 2012. Abrams first Star Trek feature, which at the time was scheduled for Christmas 2008, started shooting in November of 2007.

One other moving part in this schedule shuffling is Paramount’s next Jack Ryan movie, which stars Star Trek’s Chris Pine. Last report on that film was that Paramount shuffled their schedule around so that the Star Trek sequel would start in September with the Jack Ryan film starting in January, allowing time for Pine to go from one project to the next. If Star Trek 2 moves to November, then the Jack Ryan film would also likely have to be moved. It is likely these inter-linked schedules for the cast and crew of these various films are all part of the talks going on now inside Bad Robot and Paramount, but Abrams has promised that sometime "soon" word will come out that finally reveals his plans for the Star Trek sequel.

Saldana loves her New York Water

Taking a break from the Star Trek sequel release date obsession, and speaking of Saldana, here is a new PSA she did with some other lovers of New York Water.

 

Comments

1. rogue_alice - June 16, 2011

Cute.

2. Krypton - June 16, 2011

May 2013 anyone :P

This is good news IMO, at least we now have an estimate for when they bring the Enterprise out of storage. Best of luck guys, and DONT rush it just to appease us fanbois

3. Spock Of Ages - June 16, 2011

2. pronounced Phan-Bwah?

4. Christopher Roberts - June 16, 2011

Drawn in by the intriquing headline picture.

I realise now that I have a mind like a sewer.

5. Saavik001 - June 16, 2011

#4 I fell for it too…

6. Keachick (rose pinenut) - June 16, 2011

Please – no more rumour mongering. Chris Pine has also been in talks to do a movie called “Mud”. These actors are in talks all the time. Whether they get the parts and when or even if the movies go ahead is another story.

Filming of Star Trek to start in September (if not earlier) – please, JJ and co – MAKE IT SO!

7. Browncoat1984 - June 16, 2011

I stopped caring a while ago. Its like Duke Nukem Forever, after it kept on getting delayed I took a “it’ll get done when its done attitude” and moved on with life. I’m sure they’ll deliver a quality product whenever they start working on it, and the wait will be well worth it.

Still, it would have been nice to have something like an animated miniseries or SOMETHING to hold us Trekkies over because it is a long wait. Then again, BBC just announced that Doctor Who would only air part of its season 7 next year, so there’s more waiting ahead for sci-fi fans :(.

8. PEB - June 16, 2011

ethan hawk…. :)

9. Dee - lvs moon' surface - June 16, 2011

#6- Keachick …

…”is in talks to star opposite Mark Ruffalo in the drama Infinitely Polar Bear, a Paramount film being developed by JJ Abrams’ Bad Robot.”…

….developed by JJ Abrams’ Bad Robot … maybe it’s real … this time …

They have a lot of projects in development… becomes increasingly difficult to believe that they consider as a priority Star Trek sequel… I mean with regard to keep the release date initially established by Paramount, June 29, 2012 …. will not happen, I think!

:-( :-)

10. Nony - June 16, 2011

Doesn’t mean the whole movie would have to shift to accommodate one actor (unless, perhaps, it was Pine or Quinto, someone with tons of screen time) – the whole cast doesn’t necessarily have to be there all the time from the beginning. Uhura presumably won’t be present in every single scene, so they could do the non-Uhura bits til November.

11. Anthony Pascale - June 16, 2011

the point isnt that they would move the star trek start for Saldana, the point is they may have already moved it due to all the other issues reported here over the last few weeks and the fact that they are talking to Saldana for a September shoot on another film is just a potential piece of evidence that Star Trek has already been rescheduled.

12. Madblogger - June 16, 2011

I have officially lost all patience with this and consider it rather insulting, whether this latest rumor is true or not, they have been keeping the fans on tenterhooks long enough. Call me crazy, but I expected a little more respect.

There has been more than enough time for them to get their act togtether
This does not seem to be a priority for the original team or Mr Abrams
So I wish them luck with all their many endeavors, hopefully some of them will be really exciting but for now, I am signing off from this, my inteest has waned. If mising a deadline doesn’t matter to them, then the movie doesn’t matter to me

There was a “window of opportunity” to do something really worthwhile but you can coast on goodwill for only so long.The cosmic wind has gone out of the sails on this one and it is hard to not be disappointed with such talented people, therefore I am officially disappointed.I hope all the other stuff was worth it

A diaapointed fan

13. Hateya - June 16, 2011

Congrats Zoe on being gainfully employed again!!

14. Keachick (rose pinenut) - June 16, 2011

Damon Lindelof – “Is it possible to start shooting the movie in September? Absolutely, we would totally be ready to go. But that doesn’t mean we are going to start in September, that is a question only JJ can answer. I think one of the things about Super 8 is he started shooting it late last fall and it had to be released [June 10]. And the Trek sequel is going to be much more ambitious on a post-production level, then Super 8 was. The fundamental idea of shooting it and getting it in the can and having it come out next July is entirely possible and we are confident we have the team in place that would be able to achieve that, but that might not be the best version of the movie.”

This is from the transcript. I don’t get the impression that main filming will be delayed until November, but that is up to JJ. It was more about post-production time, ie they could do a good basic job and have the movie ready for release by July 2012 or they could take more time, be more thorough with post-production, therefore delaying the release date by up to six months perhaps, and have a tighter, more worthy product to release to cinema screens.

I’m afraid I find myself agreeing with #12 Madblogger. I do think that JJ Abrams is being disrespectful. I do sense a certain frustration from the three writers. They have a story and they want to be able to finish it, but situations and people are preventing them from doing that. As I keep saying – it is all to do with that bloody 3D stuff (pardon my French). For goodness sake – Just do a 2D masterpiece and be done with it!

And what if it doesn’t start filming until November? Chris Pine did not get to do his summer theatre work because he is waiting…I believe he really likes doing live theatre but not this year, because, well, we all know the reason. Presumably, hopefully, they will have nailed down the Jack Ryan script and be ready to start shooting January/February next year, however on the other hand, he might not be available because of continual delays… Now we read that Zoe Saldana is in talks to do another Bad Robot film, when supposedly she should be doing Star Trek?

Come on, enough already. Now I am crying…WHAT THE HELL, A$$HOLES!

Sorry, Anthony, but this thread brings me no comfort. Frankly, this is all so bloody insane (pardon my French, again)!!! Finding it hard to be *considerate and rational* right now.

15. trekker 5 - June 16, 2011

‘Soon’. *Sigh*. :(

16. Dee - lvs moon' surface - June 16, 2011

#14 – Keachick … Welcome to the club of those who are crying now…. you know I started yesterday…….. buamuabuamuabua … part of me feels….

:-( :-)

17. rm10019 - June 16, 2011

can i just stare at this picture of Zoe for like 2 hours?

18. Red Dead Ryan - June 16, 2011

14.
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Quit your whining……sheeesh! Sometimes, people can’t meet deadlines. Movie-making is a tough and tricky business. These guys have been working on a script for awhile now, and it may be that whatever they’ve come up with is not working. J.J Abrams has signed a multi-picture deal with Paramount. “Star Trek” is only one movie. He has the right to do other things as well. And the writers need other projects to keep their creative juices flowing and their skills sharpened. They also have the right to do whatever they want, whenever they want. Why should they appease impatient fans like you just because you’re angry they aren’t devoting ALL of their time to “Star Trek”?

It’s this sense of entitlement that really pisses me off! I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if any of the Supreme Court guys say to all of us fans “F*CK YOU, WE’RE DONE WITH TREK BECAUSE WE ARE SICK AND TIRED OF YOUR BITCHING!! WE’RE WALKING AWAY, JERKOFFS!!”

I wouldn’t blame them one bit!

19. Harry Ballz - June 16, 2011

So what? If Zoe isn’t available for the movie, simply say Uhura is away at Starfleet for a meeting. The movie should focus on Kirk/Spock/ McCoy anyway.

20. The 76th Distillation of Blue - June 16, 2011

It would be one thing if they had been really working on it all this time, and said hey you know what were not going to be able to finish this by june 2012, were trying but we dont want to rush this just to get it on screen.
But thats not what were seeing here, what we are seeing here is oh lets work on this project, oh lets do that project, star trek, ehhh uh who cares the fans will be there when it finally hits the screen.
whats another year wait for them.

There is no solid indication that they have actively been developing anything for Star Trek, and guess what it doesnt take talented screen writers 12 plus months to flush out and write a incredible script.
the fact that its taken that long with 2or 3 writers says a lot.
they just dont care, and they can come on here and claim whatever they want but the lack of progress says alot. If JJ wanted to do other projects great, but he should have given the ticket buyers the respect of passing the directing reigns off to another director (like he did with MI 4) so that people wouldnt have to wait for another great movie.

21. The 76th Distillation of Blue - June 16, 2011

after all of this bs, if he doesnt end up diecting theres going to be alot really ticked off fans, for him making everyone wait so long for nothing.

22. Madblogger - June 16, 2011

#18

Hmm……..

You know, I thought expressing an opinion was a privilege of an enlightened society so I respect yours, despite the profanity.

Mine is that the 2009 movie was extremely successful with an expected follow-up in June 2012. That was a deadline, for all the bleating that has happened since.

Probably most of us were relatively happy with the idea of a 3 year gap if it meant we were going to get a quality product that we enjoyed as much as or even hopefully better than the first Nobody wants a lame or rushed sequel.

But it seems that they did not even start thinking about it until October last year and don’t yet even have a fully-realized script. They actually don’t have a prayer of making that June date with the production values that we expect from this team. Christmas 2012 is just not the same and summer 2013 is much too long. So they have really sunk the boat. Some things are just screwed up and this is one of them.

You remember how lousy you felt the night before finals when you realzed you had just not left enough time to do your best job. Well. moving the final to the next year doesn’t guarantee that you will do a better job of timing your cramming the next time around. Likewise I am not confident of this team’s ability to focus on the job in hand – they are too distracted. They have shown us many times over the last few months that they really don’t have the time to devote to the project. So we will see if they can deliver, but perhaps I’ll just be putting their new movie in my Netflix queue some distant time in the future or rescuing it from the bargain bin at Walmart’s.

Of course the filmmakers have all the right in the world to do what they want.

I guess the point is that I also have the right to plonk down my money and sit in a movie theater to watch their product, should they be able to produce it. Or not.

This is a business and if you treat your customers disdainfully, you risk alienating them. If ever there was a time to put up or shut up, it is now. The longer this drags out in my opinion, well, I think we are hitting the steep part of the exponential curve. You can keep the public’s interest for so long and then they move on.

It has been two years since the last movie, they committed to the 2012 date way back then (actually the sequel was greenlighted even before the movie officially opened)., and if they had had the chutzpah to settle to it, they could have done it. But fundamentally other things were more important to them, and they have lost valuable momentum. The guys say they need to talk to Abrams, that they have 70-80 page outline and maybe the beginnings of a script, and Abrams says he can’t commit to directing until he has a finished script. With all due respect, doesn’t this sound like they are goiing round in ever-decreasing circles?

Even highly intelligent people can be incredibly illogical at times, because this does not make sound business or creative sense.

Just put us out of our misery, make a decision (which I am fairly sure they are all capable of) and get on with it. They seriously risk losing their fan base if they delay this – remember they made the movie not just for the trekkers but to make new fans (who have notoriously short and fickle memories).

And as stated above, for the great cast that we all enjoyed, this is very unfair, although I am sure they are used to it since moviemaking is such a fickle business. I am not sure how many other moviemaking professionals are being inconvenienced by the interminable delays, but my heart goes out to them too.

I think the moviemakers did a great job with the reboot. but does that entitle them to worship? Not really. Because at the end of the day the moviemakers can’t do much without moviegoers, and maybe I’m stupid, but I presume that is why they chose these careers, in the same way that I chose mine. The rewards may be great, but the responsibilities are tremendous.

My parting word to the filmmakers is “I dare you to do better”

But for someone who firmly stated “I’m outta here” a few comments ago, I have overstayed my welcome but thankfully not the right to free speech.

23. I'm Dead Jim! - June 16, 2011

I’m with you 12! I think it’s B.S. to wait three years for a sequel anyway, which is why there really just needs to be a new live action TV series, a good one!

24. Red Dead Ryan - June 16, 2011

22.
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A movie deadline is not the same as a final exam. And besides, most movie deadlines are tentative and subject to change. An exam is made to test one’s knowledge of a paticular subject to see if they understand it. Movie making is about a bunch of people getting together to hammer out a script to send to the director. It is rare that a movie is made after an outline or first draft script. More often than not, especially with great movies, it takes a number of rewrites.

25. sean - June 16, 2011

Good grief! Delaying a movie for a year isn’t the end of the world. Some of you folks act like you’re going to die if Star Trek isn’t on every single second. Throwing around words like ‘insulting’ and ‘disrespectful’ is just ridiculous. Star Trek was effectively dead until these chaps came along. They are in high demand and are being pulled in a million different directions, but it’s hardly like the film is in some kind of ‘development hell’. It’s just taking longer than anticipated. Take a breath.

Look at it this way, The Dark Knight was 3 years after Batman Begins, and The Dark Knight Rises will be 4 years after TDK. It’s not exactly unprecedented for franchise films to have a few years between them. Alternatively, Iron Man 2 was only 2 years after Iron Man, and it was awful. So, ya know, quick doesn’t equal quality.

26. Red Dead Ryan - June 16, 2011

25.
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Agreed! A lot of “fans” on this site lack that perspective and as such, cannot grasp the reality of the situation.

27. Madblogger - June 16, 2011

#25

Enjoy your wait, I wish I had your faith..

I thought >3 years was not particularly quick in truth but I guess everything lies in the eye of the beholder.

But I really am ouuta here. My life will be going along quite nicely with or without a Star Trek sequel. That’s my problem, at this point, I don’t care enough. Just lost interest and that’s a shame.

28. Keachick (rose pinenut) - June 17, 2011

#18 Excuse me, RDR. I am not the one who has done most of the whining about the delays. Others have. They have been very negative about how everything has been proceeding, or not, for some time now. Many have been constantly critical of aspects of the last movie, demanding changes to engineering, going on about ships nacelles too fat, Scotty too goofy, no Spock/Uhura, etc etc, no lens flares, no shakey camera…you name it. They keep bringing out their crystal balls, forever predicting when the movie will or should come out. They need to be reminded just what Bob Orci or Damon or Alex had just stated in an interview given yesterday, because they seemed not to bother to read the transcription or listen to the interview. It is other people who keep demanding another TV series etc to tide them over and so it goes on.

I have tried to be positive, considerate and rational – so I lost it a bit, reading about yet something else that could take someone connected with the sequel away from doing it, possibly bringing about even more delays. You know, I’m not the only one.

Yes, I think, at this stage in things, it is disrespectful of JJ Abrams and Paramount not to announce whether or not he will direct and the studio to make a decision as to whether the sequel should be in 3D or not.

Picking on me for my heartfelt post was not fair at all. Why not go pick on others who’ve been constantly griping about stuff for quite a while now?

29. David C. Roberson - June 17, 2011

I think the general lack of respect for writers/filmmakers on this thread is beyond ridiculous. Give these people a break! Star Trek has officially hit the big leagues. This isn’t like the old days when the actors had nothing going on in between Trek ventures. I for one am happy that these people obviously aren’t falling into the type-casting problems that the original cast experienced. As for the writers taking so long, how would any of you feel if you had the full weight of the Star Trek universe on your shoulders? Would you take it lightly that the fans griped constantly about the brewery was used for Engineering? Be thankful that these guys are at least willing to write it! Honestly, they seem to have some other very lucrative offers coming at them, and I doubt that they would be harmed in any real way over walking away from Trek. Some of you guys need to grow up and let these guys do their job. They’re taking their time to make a movie you’ll enjoy. I swear, you people complaining about it taking so long would be the first to complain that they were doing a rush job to get Trek out of the way had they been sticking to the schedule…

30. CJS - June 17, 2011

They could always kill Uhura off between the films. New universe allows for all kinds of things to happen.

31. Bruce Banner - June 17, 2011

Zoe AKA Uhura was just named one of the most attractive actresses of all time. They will not make the movie without the EYE CANDY! Besides, she has a contract to be in the movie. If they tried to move forward without her, they would be in violation of contract.

32. Landru - June 17, 2011

Star Trek was done and ready for Theaters in December 2008, it looks like it will be 4 years later (Dec 2012) until ST2 is out. That seems too long for a movie with a young cast… Half of them will be older than the original actors they are portraying back in 1966.

33. Ensign Kirk - June 17, 2011

borci???

34. Red Dead Ryan - June 17, 2011

28.
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You’re just as guilty as all the other bitchers and whiners. Even if you “lost it a bit”.

“Yes, I think, at this stage in things, it is disrespectful of JJ Abrams and Paramount not to announce whether or not he will direct and the studio to make a decision as to whether the sequel should be in 3D or not.”

Why is it disrespectful? And to whom? You? GET OVER IT! They’re still working on the script FOR F*CK SAKES!! Now isn’t the time to figure out whether they’ll put the sequel in 3D. They’ll do that AFTER the script is done. J.J Abrams is waiting to see if the script is GOOD before deciding to direct. He believes in quality. He answers only to Paramount, who aren’t going to get in his way.

35. Jim Nightshade - June 17, 2011

Jeez I kinda wanna echo Shats claim GET A LIFE….Its only a movie…its entertainment and its a product….and a project….JJ and Robert et al have real lives and real careers they are not like Gene Roddenberry whose only career and speciality was Trek and look what Paramount did to him, relegate him to advisory status mostly….until he had a hit with Next Generation….Get used to the idea that the actors and production people all have and do other projects…they are lucky enough to be successful and desired and have multiple projects….I would rather have good writers producers who are in demand do our Trek movies than people with no experience or talent….it is not disresepctful to delay the project-they are busy and juggling schedules for many reasons and have to wait until it all aligns best for trek to proceed…THIS PROVES THEY CARE ABOUT TREK and the fans because they are making sure to devote the time needed to make a great movie and not just rush out a generic similar prouduct to the first one….AGAIN not the end of the world…that will be dec21 2012 haha….
I know fans care intensely and all that but they really are doing their best to get Trek done right….I totally disagree about it being disrespectful…I think they made a first great movie and I bet the 2nd one will be great too….Personally I would like to see Trek on tv in some form..that is really where it belongs but jj and company are at the top of their game..NO OTHER FILM PEOPLE are in more demand right now….THAT IS A GOOD THING not a bad thing….I WANT THE MOST SUCCESSFUL SMARTEST POPULAR filmakers working on our Trek Movie….They have REVIVED the franchise for us and you all think they dont care??? Quite the opposite….they wanna do it right but schedules are complicated and thats why the delay….I totally trust Roberto and JJ to do it right….

36. Dee - lvs moon' surface - June 17, 2011

#34 – Red Dead Ryan – …

Sorry… but if I get it right the writers said they did not finish the script because they are waiting for JJ Abrams… not the other way… it’s time for Abrams to stop using the quality of the script as an excuse for not deciding to do the helm… is an awkward stance with the writers, considering that he is following the process of completing the script from the beginning …

What’s your problem seems that you are betting on the film’s release in 2013 and is afraid of losing the bet if it does not happen? … this sounds crazy, sorry! … were not the fans who established the premiere date for June 29, 2012… was the studio, Paramount … they do not have to be justified only for the fans… there are “most powerful people” to whom they
should certainly an answer!

The whole problem is the availability of time of JJ Abrams… not quality… at least I do not think they would make a crap… they have proven they do their job well… and as Bob Orci said “give us a deadline and we’ll finish it”… and who have to do this? … JJ Abrams, I guess! …

And HELLO YOU CAN BE BORING SOMETIMES, TOO!!!

:-( :-)

37. dub - June 17, 2011

I love my Zoe Saldana!

38. Keachick (rose pinenut) - June 17, 2011

#34 – “Now isn’t the time to figure out whether they’ll put the sequel in 3D. They’ll do that AFTER the script is done. J.J Abrams is waiting to see if the script is GOOD before deciding to direct. He believes in quality. He answers only to Paramount, who aren’t going to get in his way.”

I asked in a previous post if anybody knew about the process of making a 3D movie. Peter Jackson is making the Hobbit in 3D, which means he is using different cameras from those used in a 2D movie, and his directing style will be (slightly) different as well. He is still in the filming process; they have not got to the post-production stage (for the most part). Doesn’t the different method of doing a 3D (not a conversion) movie affect the way a film is scripted? Somebody!!!?

If you bothered to read, there is enough worthwhile script to start filming Star Trek by September. Bob Orci has also noted that a certain amount of scripting is an ongoing process. Soft-prep has already begun – no doubt all the work being done, the casting of new actors etc is being/has been done – what it all needs is signing off/ being validated by the director…It appears that it is not just bitching, whining trekkie fans waiting around for a damned answer!

Yes, Dee, it was Paramount who set the date for release of the sequel, not us! It was not fans who made up the time when the script (or perhaps, essential parts) were supposed to be done by. Where did this come from? Not me, that’s for sure. Presumably it came from the PR machinery that operates out of these studios and production companies…

RDR – I am aware that sometimes deadlines cannot be met. As I said, please do not bitch at me for showing my consternation and frustration. Lots of other people have been doing long before me. You really are “something else”.

I have certainly not said that the actors and writers should not be doing other projects, anything but. However, there comes a point when the people need to focus on just one project in order to get it done properly. It seems that many of these people have been able to focus on other projects to get them properly (as in done well) completed but it seems certain people are still diddle/daddling over doing the Star Trek sequel. That is what many people find so irksome.

39. Devon - June 17, 2011

#12 – “”””I have officially lost all patience with this and consider it rather insulting,””””

They owe NOTHING to you.

40. Devon - June 17, 2011

There are a lot of selfish attitudes here..

“I want it NOW! How DARE they not do it on MY schedule” is basically what some of these comments come down to. It’s getting ridiculous. They owe no explanation of their schedules to fans, especially these same people who got this dead franchise out of the grave again. The film comes out when it comes out, let them do what they need to do and stop worrying.

41. Dee - lvs moon' surface - June 17, 2011

#40-Devon …

What are you talking about? … they make movies for the audience… and everyone knows that Trek fans are passionate and faithful… and if they owe nothing to the fans they’re LOST!!!! … LOL …

Let me say that I spent a lot of time talking about Star Trek and consequently promoting the movie on the Internet… so I did my part as a Trek fan… and certainly I will continue doing the same for the sequels… whatever … they’re thinking….

:-) :-)

42. Red Dead Ryan - June 17, 2011

Devon hit the nail on the head. Absolutely agree with everything he has said!

So, Dee and Keachick, let’s just allow the Supreme Court members to work on the movie AS THEY SEE FIT!

THE MOVIE WILL BE READY WHEN ITS READY!! DEADLINES COME AND GO, ITS JUST THE WAY IT IS. WRITERS OFTEN HIT UNFORSEEN PROBLEMS AND HAVE TO START OVER. HENCE, A 70-PAGE OUTLINE IS NOT A SUFFICIENT BASIS FOR A MOVIE!!!

WHAT THE HELL IS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT?!

43. CarlG - June 17, 2011

@42: LOUD NOISES!!!

Ahem. Sorry. Yeah, it’ll comes out when it comes out. The 7-year-old trekkie in me wants it hand-delivered yesterday, but it’s all good. I just hope there’s a model kit this time around… ;)

@41: I think this blog entry by Neil Gaiman may possibly be of interest to you:

http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2009/05/entitlement-issues.html

44. Keachick (rose pinenut) - June 17, 2011

#42 – “HENCE, A 70-PAGE OUTLINE IS NOT A SUFFICIENT BASIS FOR A MOVIE!!!”

So you scream at me and Dee, because, among other things, you have suddenly become an *expert* on movie making? Stop yelling at us! We do “get it”. Do you?

“Damon Lindelof – Is it possible to start shooting the movie in September? Absolutely, we would totally be ready to go. But that doesn’t mean we are going to start in September, that is a question only JJ can answer. I think one of the things about Super 8 is he started shooting it late last fall and it had to be released [June 10]. And the Trek sequel is going to be much more ambitious on a post-production level, then Super 8 was. The fundamental idea of shooting it and getting it in the can and having it come out next July is entirely possible and we are confident we have the team in place that would be able to achieve that, but that might not be the best version of the movie.”

Geez, how often do I need to copy and paste this quote from the interview transcription? Clearly, where they are now in the script writing process is sufficient to start filming the movie. BTW, Bob Orci mentioned that they had 75-80 pages completed…

I read the blog entry link, but I’m not sure I agreed with every aspect of it. Should a customer/consumer have any rights at all, particularly if they have been buying a certain product for quite a while? Does customer loyalty mean anything?

45. Keachick (rose pinenut) - June 18, 2011

On the other hand, many here have moaned about so many things they found wrong with Star Trek 09 from the engineering, Spock/Uhura, lens flares etc – someone even accused the team of “raping” the original Star Trek – it is a wonder that the Bad Robot are still hanging in there trying to get the sequel done. It seems that for a lot of people, JJ and co. didn’t get much right at all. At least, that’s my impression.

I reiterate that I have not been the one to constantly criticise the first movie – Spock/Uhura does not bother me, Vulcan imploding is what it is, engineering is what it is, Scotty is who he is, Kirk’s speedy promotion not really a bother, etc etc, never noticed the shaky camera stuff that so many complain about. The only part I did notice was a few too many lens flares at times.

I have been giving Bob & co my ideas for what might be part of the sequel in terms of Kirk being in a relationship and the discovery of a new planetary system and people and little things like a beagle being part of this crew… no rehash of what has been done previously. The writers are free to use these ideas or not. Of course, like anybody else, I hope they at least like them, even if they can’t/won’t use them.

I have been supportive of Bob and the team from the very start and I still am. Sometimes I just feel frustrated by the seeming delays and lack of progress with the sequel. Three years between movies is adequate enough time between sequels. Others here have gone about how the movie can’t be released at such and such time because of too much competition or for some other peculiar reason that I can’t fathom. The way some go on, it seems that it is impossible for people to get to movies at certain times of the year. It is like they are still having to *ride horseback over rough terrain to get anywhere. Good grief. Don’t US cinemas have central heating and air conditioning? Don’t most cars have heating/cooling systems and people who need it have access to anti-freeze? Seriously, wtf?

* Actually, on the east coast of the North Island, NZ (especially around East Cape) kids still ride horseback to school and back, because what roads there are, are not that good and the terrain is rugged – safer and easier to go on a horse! Round trip can take up to two hours. I believe those people manage to get to their local cinema in Gisborne when they want…

46. Dee - lvs moon' surface - June 18, 2011

#42-Red Dead Ryan …

a SMART GUY???? ….. seems… after all you managed to reach the conclusion that “THE MOVIE WILL BE READY WHEN ITS READY!!” …. so …How I never thought of that??? … gimme a break… “you’re the genius… You figure it out!!”….HAHAHAHAH!!!

:-) :-)

47. Red Dead Ryan - June 18, 2011

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Look, “genius”, of course its possible to start shooting in September. But I doubt it will happen. These guys will want to make sure the script is mostly in place before everything else happens. Then Paramount has to re-hire all of the production staff, as well as the cast and guest actors. If they start filming in September, they’ll clearly be rushing it.

From what I have read, filming isn’t likely to start till November at the earliest. It probably won’t start till the beginning of next year. The actors have plenty going on in the meantime and probably don’t have the time to start work on Trek anyway. Zoe Saldana is going to be filming a new movie in the next few months anyway. She most likely won’t be available for a Sept. shooting schedule.

Quite frankly, I just want them to take the time needed to make a great movie. I can wait. I got plenty of Trek dvds, books and comics to revisit in the meantime. NO BIG DEAL AT ALL!!!

You people act like spoiled little kids who are accustomed to getting what they want, when they want but end up throwing a temper tantrum on the floor of a store when the parent says “You’ll get it for Christmas!”.

SHEESH!!

48. Red Dead Ryan - June 18, 2011

46.
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SHUT THE HELL UP DEE!!!

49. Keachick (rose pinenut) - June 18, 2011

#48 You are yelling again. It is not called for. Stop picking on Dee and me. It is just so obvious. We are not children throwing tantrums because we can’t get what we want – immediately. You have to look at other posters in order to see that. What is YOUR problem?

YOU doubt it will happen in September, even though the writers/producers themselves say it is possible. They said it was up to JJ Abrams and his schedule. According to JJ himself, once the promotion for Super 8 is done, which it is, then he is free to work on Star Trek. What makes you such an expert on the workings of making a movie, to the extent that you appear to contradict the makers themselves?

Anyway, it is about spending more time to get the movie right in the POST-PRODUCTION process that could delay the release date. In other words, although filming of Super 8 did not start until late last year, JJ still made the June 2011 deadline. However, there is more work to be done to make a good Star Trek. Remember that, according to all the sources last year, Star Trek was meant to start filming NOW – May/June 2011 for a June 2012 release. Now that it appears to be September, then the release date may get deferred to September 2012 or later in the year, depending on studio and film distribution company schedules.

Unfortunately, the news that Zoe Saldana may not be available until November to do her scenes for Star Trek and the inference that filming may not start until November (another two month delay) is what upset us. The film she is in discussion about doing is also a Bad Robot film (JJ Abrams’ own production company – the same one contracted to make Star Trek) and it just seemed that Star Trek could be delayed again in order to do something not remotely connected with Star Trek. Hate to say it, but if that is the case – that is just such major CRAP!

Yes, I am looking forward to a great birthday and Christmas present in December 2012!

50. Iva - June 18, 2011

Jesus, people, calm down, it’s not like somebody relevant is unavailable. If the care about the movie, they can just go on shooting anyway, and edit her 2minute screen time into it in the end.

51. Dee - lvs moon' surface - June 18, 2011

# 48 – RDR… c’mon you really think you can tell me to shut up? … you yell a lot, right? … nice way to try to win an argument! ….

:-):-)

52. Anthony Pascale - June 18, 2011

Again I think some are missing the point. Bad Robot would not move the production of STAR TREK 2012 around to accomadaye putting Saldana in some smaller drama. The implication here is that Bad Robot may already be working under the assumption of a later ST12 date which therefore frees up Saldana (and rest of cast) for other projects.

Abrams and supremes have made it pretty clear that Trek may be delayed, but this other project is not the cause only a potential ripple effect. Same would be true of Pine and Jack Ryan. These complex schedule issues are all part of what’s going on behind scenes.

I think some are taking it all too personally.

53. Dee - lvs moon' surface - June 18, 2011

#52 – Anthony Pascale …I agree ….. if the project is being developed by Bad Robot and they want Zoe Saldana to star in the movie is because they know her schedule… and if I remember well, Karl Urban already mentioned as a possible date November to start filming the sequel…If I understand everything so far JJ Abrams needs to be available to the sequel be done, everything depends on him now… I think that’s what the writers said in the interview…

I just do not understand why some people have to use rude words…

I think fans have every right to express frustrations…. without hearing rude words of those who think differently … at least should not put “rude words” in mouth of the Supreme Court … unless someone really know what they are thinking …

:-) :-)

54. DeShonn Steinblatt - June 18, 2011

50. Jesus, people

Knew you weren’t female.

55. Keachick (rose pinenut) - June 18, 2011

I apologise for my outburst. Thank you for clearing up any misunderstandings, Anthony Pascale. It just seemed like another thing that could, I say could, delay proceedings. Rumours abound like Karl Urban’s being quoted as saying things won’t necessarily happen until November. That upset a lot of people as well. I just replied that it most likely applied to him, only him, in terms of his own schedules. Whether it is the actors (Urban, Pegg, Saldana) making announcements which seem to conflict, or whether it is bad reporting or whatever, it has gone on for most of this year and it is tiring and tiresome. At least, Chris Pine has been quiet. Good man. Bless him.

Please – could someone please answer my question about the effects (if any) on how a script is written etc when doing a movie in 3D (like Peter Jackson’s Hobbit) as opposed to doing the same movie in 2D. Is there more time needed in post-production when a film is done in 3D compared with 2D? An informed layperson’s answer would be appreciated. I firmly believe this issue is what appears to be stalling the making of the sequel. Thank you.

56. Hugh Hoyland - June 19, 2011

#55 keachick

Im an amature writer at the moment but I’ll chime in. I think it does have an effect on the screenplay for this reason.

With a 3-D movie the director will want scenes to “jump out” at the audience. Thats something a writer would have to keep in mind.

A scene with two people just chatting on a park bench shot in 3-D may not be so exciting. But have the bench explode and the chatters fly up towards the camera, boom! That would look better in 3-D.

So in other words it will have to be more visual just by its nature IMO.

57. Hugh Hoyland - June 19, 2011

But honestly I dont think that would be a problem for Bob and the guys to pull off. Star Trek 09 would look great in 3-D so its not like a big stretch for them to do it.

58. Keachick (rose pinenut) - June 19, 2011

Thank you, Hugh Hoyland, for that explanation.

59. RenderedToast - June 19, 2011

You’d think everyone would be much more interested in being part of a multi-million dollar franchise than a bunch of go-nowhere and probably terrible indie flicks. Seriously Zoe? You’ll put Trek on hold for a film called Infinity Polar Bear featuring famous A-lister Mark Ruffalo? Why do I feel like no one really gives a shit anymore?

60. Keachick (rose pinenut) - June 21, 2011

It won’t be Zoe Saldana who could put Star Trek on hold. That’s not up to her.

61. AJ - June 21, 2011

I think the proof is in the pudding that JJ is NOT the super ATM that Paramount thought me may turn out to be. “Super 8″ doesn’t break any new ground, and is not currently ‘blockbusting,’ is it?

The main issue, perhaps, is he never looks outside of N. America as his target. “Pirates” has earned almost $1b worldwide, of which the US is under 25% ($220m US/$952m total). And that film has been universally panned. “ST09″ was similar, with far lower numbers. And it was actually pretty good.

Soon, Paramount will see that “Star Trek” as a brand is more important than Abrams as a brand, and may see free to say “thanks for the re-boot, but we like products delievered on-time.” And they will milk it (again).

62. AJ - June 21, 2011

I mean similar to “Super 8″! ;-)

63. Bob Tompkins - June 22, 2011

61- my point exactly. Abrams is far too busy to give Trek his best in a timely manner, as are Orci, Lindeloff,and the rest.
Trek needs another Roddenberry, another Berman [hate to say that, but he was the right man at the right time, just didn't know when his time was over], someone willing to devote his creative juices to the franchise full time. I am sure there are many talented people who would be willing and eager to do exactly that.
The point now is that they will deliver a movie late, good or bad, in the same amount of dedicated work time as they would have on schedule. Bottom line: Star Trek is not a priority, it’s just another of too many projects.

For those of you who say ‘What’s another 6 months?”…. ask again when you are 60 years old in failing health and been a fan since age 14.

64. On Vacation With Landru - June 25, 2011

#63 – ITA

As much crap as Berman gets, its not like Roddenberry was the one who was hard at work at the ST movies OR TNG. A lot of people don’t know when its time to move on, though, and he was clearly one of them.

The wait IS disrespectful. It’s disrespectful to say one thing and have your actions clearly dictate a different truth. It is CLEAR that ST is just not that important to any of the major players involved who were are stuck relying on for ANY new Trek. When the new movie did well, we were told to expect to see a sequel this year. Then next year. And its become pretty clear that it will likely be a summer 2013 film.

It is disrespectful to act like ST is a priority when its clearly just another project in a pile of too many projects. It’s surprising that the studio is letting a sequel take this long, but then again, maybe not with the lack of a priority ST has been for years.

As I’ve posted before, my mother is older and in failing health. And it sucks to see more and more time piled onto something she would really enjoy seeing.

I’m not even sure the next movie will be such a big hit, either, due to this loss of momentum. ST is no longer fresh in anyone’s minds (clearly not Abrams’ – BA-ZING!). Except for the fans that are loyal to the brand AND liked the re-boot.

TBH, once the delays started, I began to expect that we wouldn’t see an Abrams sequel at all and that eventually Paramount will step in and create another tv show. They know Trek fans are good for it and they know there’s nothing new for us to spend our money on right now.

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