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Exclusive: Clip From Star Trek: TNG – The Next Level Blu-ray January 26, 2012

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Star Trek: The Next Generation – The Next Level, the four episode Blu-ray sampler disc, comes out next Tuesday. And CBS has just sent over another exclusive clip. Check it out below.


Exclusive: Clip From Star Trek: TNG – The Next Level Blu-ray

Here is a new clip from the the new "Star Trek: The Next Generation – The Next Level"  Blu-ray from the pquot;

For more from TrekMovie’s full coverage of TNG on Blu-ray:




TNG on Blu-ray available next week

"Star Trek: The Next Generation – The Next Level" featuring HD versions of the two-part pilot “Encounter at Farpoint," along with "Sins of the Father," and "The Inner Light" will be released next Tuesday, January 31st. You can pre-order from Amazon for $14.99.

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1. Captain Dunsel - January 26, 2012


2. rm10019 - January 26, 2012

Looking forward to next Tuesday!

3. PEB - January 26, 2012

Picard was a VERY cold character in those first handfull of episodes

4. Romulus - January 26, 2012

looks good but I wont buy the sampler, instead I will wait for my favorite episodes instead.

5. Allen Williams - January 26, 2012

Why isn’t this in HD?

6. DonDonP1 - January 26, 2012

@5 High definition and widescreen are not the same.

7. rm10019 - January 26, 2012

Anthony, i think you have the lead in from the previous article still up infront of this one?

8. rm10019 - January 26, 2012

6- I think Allen is asking why isn’t the clip in HD, doesn’t make sense to show clips from the remastered HD TNG in SD compressed video clips.

9. Shunnabunich - January 26, 2012

Am I missing something? The embedded Vimeo video only plays in SD, and on Vimeo’s site it says it’s private.

10. Anthony Pascale - January 26, 2012

that is the resolution they provided.

11. GG - January 26, 2012

That sure didn’t look like a blu-ray clip to me.

12. Driver - January 26, 2012

A definite “Oops” moment 7.

13. Dave in RI - January 26, 2012


He was indeed cold; nothing like Kirk. In those first episodes, Riker seemed much more personable and Picard was like the boss on the first day of your new job.

Of course like in real life, once you get to know someone better they usually become more friendlier…and we were there every step of the way, getting to know Picard.

14. The TOS Purist aka The Purolator - January 26, 2012

Trekmovie guys, you used the header from the previous article about Leonard Nimoy as the header for this article… you might want to edit that. :)

15. brian - January 26, 2012

Is anyone else getting an error message from the video?


The creator of this video has not given you permission to embed it on this domain. This is a Vimeo Plus feature.”

16. Ensign RedShirt - January 26, 2012


Could be a browser issue-sometimes video players get goofy on certain browsers.

Surprising that it’s an SD clip, although even in SD form the improvement is obvious.

17. ThisGuy - January 26, 2012

Video worked for me, but as others pointed out, it’s entirely pointless in SD.

18. Anthony Pascale - January 26, 2012

being exclusive, the video is only embeddable on TrekMovie.com

19. Commdore Mike of the Terran Empire - January 26, 2012

Thank’s Anthony. Hey are you going treat Tng Blu-Rey like you did TOS Blu-Rey and give an Ep by Ep Thred.

20. Magic_Al - January 26, 2012

Why are they sending out such low quality clips of this? This is sub-SD resolution, and even more baffling, it’s telecined to 30fps. Isn’t part of the point of a digital transfer to show the original 24fps film? The only reason motion can still look sharper in this low-def sample is because it hasn’t been interlaced like the original videotape version of the show.

The zoom when Riker starts his speech is some seriously cheesy cinematography.

21. John - January 26, 2012

does look good i hope i can get it on itunes because i woudln’t feel like walking to the store to get it lol

22. Phobos - January 26, 2012

Just pre-ordered. :-)

23. Allen Williams - January 26, 2012

While I would love a non cropped widescreen, that wasn’t what I asked. This clip should be in youtube 1080p pillar boxed. Out of all the footage I’ve seen from this project so far, this is the worst. My guess is its vimeo’s quality is just too low.

24. Greenberg - January 26, 2012

This is rather silly. If they aren’t sharing a 1080 clip, then what are we supposed to be impressed by? The colour timing?

Some of the screenshots have looked a bit more colourful than the current DVD, which is fine with me. Always hated the washed out look of TNG.

25. claypool2011 - January 26, 2012

Not really impressed by a postage stamp.

I think I’ll wait for the actual season to get offered. There’s not much in this sampler I care to see.

a low def video certainly doesn’t make it more enticing.

26. Harry Ballz - January 26, 2012

Look, not to be contentious, but……from what I’ve heard over the years, Jonathan Frakes is a real sweetheart of a guy and a reasonable director, BUT, he really stunk up TNG with his lousy acting. God, even on his best days he was mediocre.

I remember hearing that he won the role over Chris MacDonald (Lt. Castille in Yesterday’s Enterprise), who was on the short list to play Riker. The series would have been SO much better with MacDonald in the role! What a shame.

27. Red Dead Ryan - January 26, 2012


Totally got to disagree with you Harry. Frakes was great in episodes such as “The Best Of Both Worlds”, “The Pegasus”, “Parallels”, “Frame Of Mind”, “Second Chances”, etc.

Anyway, why couldn’t we get this clip in HD? While this clip shows improvement over the dvd version, it still doesn’t display the full resolution. Not to mention the size of the clip. Sucks having to watch it with binoculars or a telescope! :-)

28. "Check the Circuit!" - January 26, 2012

Mr. Ballz,

What credentials do you have that would suggest your frequent stabs at actor’s capabilities and talents have any merit? Despite your introduction, your comments on Mr Frakes’ skills seem nothing but contentious…and trite.

I’m just curious if such a broad sweeping critique on the ENTIRE series is somehow grounded in anything meaningful. Or if it simply as vaccuous as your attemtps at humor.

Please, enlighten us.

29. Harry Ballz - January 26, 2012


It’s always subjective when judging an actor’s talent.

I think Frakes is a horrible actor, you think otherwise.

It’s not my fault that you are so easily satisfied with third-rate talent.

Try getting some standards.

30. Vultan - January 26, 2012

Stanislavski strikes again.

31. Magic_Al - January 26, 2012

I think Frakes is a fine actor. He has a very long list of credits before TNG which means he kept getting chosen over other actors. He was very successful bringing Riker to life and it’s no small accomplishment because on paper Riker is a rehash of a rehash of a character concept and potentially redundant because Star Trek worked without any such role before. I think in the hands of an actor without Frakes’ charm Riker could have been unbearable for the actor and audience alike. Riker is one of my favorite characters although I really disliked him at first. Frakes won me over.

32. Harry Ballz - January 26, 2012


It’s funny how habit is stronger than reason.

After a period of time you simply get used to something, or someone, and come to accept it.

Just like buying a new car and a month later you get a scratch on it. After a while you simply accept that you have a scratch on your car.

For those who can’t connect the dots, TNG is the car and Frakes is the scratch.

33. BeatleJWOL - January 27, 2012

The earlier clips released from the Farpoint alien scene also came out initially in SD. This too will make its way out in HD; just be patient.

34. Hat Rick - January 27, 2012

The quality of this Blu-ray upgrade is obviously superb. The clip appears, for all one knows, as if it could have been filmed yesterday, as Marina Sirtis said. It holds its ground when viewed side-by-side with Blu-ray versions of the TNG movies, for example. The color balance, contrast, and style are consistent with those seen in Generations, First Contact, Insurrection, and Nemesis.

35. Digginjim - January 27, 2012

you know what, this looks great. I’ve got a warm, fuzzy TNG feel….. I may not buy the teaser blu but will certainly start picking up the seasons…

36. Tanner Waterbury - January 27, 2012

@ 26

So then Would Jonathan Frakes in an alternate timeline play Shooter McGavin in “Happy Gilmore”? That would be really weird to see.

37. Trekboi - January 27, 2012

It looks better than SD DVD but why bother with that clip in SD, where is the HD????

38. "Check the Circuit!" - January 27, 2012

@ Harry Ballz

I didn’t offer an opinion one way or another on Jonathan Frakes. Since you can’t seem to connect the dots, I was simply asking you about the foundation upon which you set your sanctimonious “standards” and condescending attitude. Surely they must be based on a credentialed background in journalism, film or drama to be so harsh and absolute. So please, tell us….why should we care about your criticisms?

Also, I find it ironic that someone with your predilection for humorless jokes and sophomoric name would call into question any one’s standards. THAT is funny.

39. Tomi_SI - January 27, 2012

@ 27
Star trek plays in space so i think a telescope is a good accessorie to watch it ;)

40. psychojediboy - January 27, 2012

Why would someone need a background in journalism, film, or drama to have an opinion on an actor’s performance? Talk about sanctimonious…

41. Mr Lirpa - January 27, 2012

Ah, TNG,

When it was good it was great, and when it was bad it was bad but when it was in between it was probably season 4

42. rm10019 - January 27, 2012

41 – This.

43. Ryan Spooner - January 27, 2012

What was the point of posting an sub-SD clip at all? Apart from a slight improvement in the colour over the old DVD release, what does this show us?

44. AJ - January 27, 2012

‘Check The Circuit!’

This is not a forum for credentialed critics or journalists, but for enthusiastic fans.

I have known ‘Mr. Ballz’ for years, and he is as big a fan of our franchise as anyone here. That alone is the necessary credential here.

Your attempt to degrade his sense of humor and integrity after you’ve made your point is worthy of an apology.

45. TREKWEBMASTER - January 27, 2012

Would be nice if they offered this as a digital download perhaps on iTunes?

For us folks who don’t have Blu-Ray capability?


46. I'm Dead Jim! - January 27, 2012

I’ve always felt that Frakes did a decent job with Riker. It seemed natural. It was much of the writing that was sh*t, like when Riker behaved like a petulant dick when jealous of Troi in “Haven”.

47. Landru - January 27, 2012

So tiff and static and wooden.. Man how did this show last 7 years? History has not been kind to this show and the Blu Rays will only make that more apparent

48. Jeyl - January 27, 2012

I always found it odd that Jonathan Frakes hated “The Naked Now” when that episode show cased Riker as a very competent officer. And Worf even.

49. "Check the Circuit!" - January 27, 2012

From Mr. Ballz:

“He really stunk up TNG with his lousy acting. God, even on his best days he was mediocre. I remember hearing that he won the role over Chris MacDonald (Lt. Castille in Yesterday’s Enterprise), who was on the short list to play Riker. The series would have been SO much better with MacDonald in the role! What a shame.”

That’s not a critique…that’s taking shots and making absolute assessments from the anonymity of the internet without any back up. What makes Frakes’ portrayal of Riker so poor and what was SO much better about Christopher MacDonald? I’d hope anyone with an opinion (and we all have them) would provide some context to their comments. That’s all. Otherwise it’s third grade name-calling.

I hope for more intelligent discourse at this site. Take the name-calling to aintitcool. Just my opinion, of course.

50. rm10019 - January 27, 2012

Do not judge all of TNG by this clip or the first two seasons please.

51. CmdrR - January 27, 2012

My namesake (yes, my name is RIKER) DID stink up the first season. He was a piece of wood. There were horrible moments, including his frequent fawning over Picard and his sleepwalk-through in the one where Q gave him powers. I was pleased to see him play trombone, if only because it gave him SOMETHING worth doing. That is not to say I think Frakes stayed bad. I think he definitely brought the character to himself and finally wore it well. Also, it’s worth spreading one more negative: by all accounts, the worst of season one’s writing can be squarely laid in GR’s lap. Roddenberry was a visionary, but he couldn’t write good dialogue if you put a phaser to his head.

Also, I think the entire cast benefitted from working closely with Sir Patrick. I know he coached some of them. In the end, thanks to the patience of Paramount at that time, TNG grew into something worth talking about these many years later.

There, CmdrR hath spoken.
Dissenters can sucketh it.

52. Harry Ballz - January 27, 2012


Thanks, AJ!

49. “Just my opinion, of course”

How ironic that the last line of your post proves that I am entitled to the same thing.

53. Doctorossi - January 27, 2012

@45: Those of us without Blu-ray capability should get Blu-ray capability. It’s ridiculously better than iTunes and it’s dirt-cheap.

54. MONGO - January 27, 2012

Mongo opinion:

Harry mans say what Harry mans say. Mongo think Frakes mans start off with confusion to how to be character. Like all peoples he grow into role. Even Stewart mans cast about a bit in first season. Mongo father tell little Mongo, “Not everyone born knowing everything”. This true. Life a learning process. Process of trial and error. Not like school. School learn lesson first take test later. Life get test first learn lesson later. Mongo like all actor in TNG. They endear themselves. TOS fan should not cast dispersion on TNG show or actor without first take objective look at TOS. It not perfect either. Just first.

And Anthony mans, tell people who give you video it bad example to sell bluray.

Mongo say hi to CmdrR. mans and AJ mans!

55. rm10019 - January 27, 2012

Get a bluray player.

Now where is that ‘ignore button’ I’ve been looking for… i know i had it here somewhere….

56. Jamziz - January 27, 2012

1080p please!

57. windelkin - January 27, 2012

Mongo is brilliant!

58. Red Dead Ryan - January 27, 2012


Blu Ray players are pretty affordable now. If you have an HDTV you might just enjoy watching TNG Remastered on Blu Ray. But, the choice is yours of course, and it may be that TNG-R may also be released on dvd, just like TOS-R was as well.

59. YT - January 27, 2012

Way to sale your product, CBS!

60. MONGO - January 27, 2012

#57 windelkin persons

Mongo say hi! And Mongo say thankee!

And Mongo remiss:

Mongo say hi Harry mans. Mongo long winded and forget manners.

61. 'Beach - January 27, 2012




62. Commdore Mike of the Terran Empire - January 27, 2012

Hey Mongo. You would make the perfect body guard in the Empire.

63. Commdore Mike of the Terran Empire - January 27, 2012

Hey Harry. As Scotty say’s. Everyone is entitled to there opnion”s.
That is until you insult the Enterprise and he Kicks your A$$ lol.

64. 'Beach - January 27, 2012

Whaddup, Mongo?

‘Beach-mans no see long time!

65. TJ Trek - January 27, 2012

I don’t know….I like the whole idea of making ST: TNG look as good as it can….but now I can totally tell that the starfield in the background is uber fake. Before, with the originally intended resolution etc. I was able to get a little more caught up in the fantasy. But, with that said. If I get a blue ray player in the future, then I am definatly getting the “Next Level” on my favorite seasons. That would be Seasons 4,5, and 6. I am glad this happening though.

Once Tech. improves a bit, I would love to see a fan version done (for fun, not profit of course), with totally new effects shots. that could be cool.

66. Chris Miles - January 27, 2012

Mongo is Trek Savant.

Mongo already know Human Condition.

67. Matthias - January 27, 2012

goosebumps, goosebumps all over the place. Can’t wait

68. 'Beach - January 27, 2012

Frakes was quite wooden in the first season, mostly because (to agree with CmdrR) Roddenberry’s writing. Some say he was a visionary. I have a definitely lesser (and quite caustic) opinion of him that i shall keep to myself.

As for Harry saying that McDonald would’ve been better, well, that’s simply a “shoulda-coulda-woulda” thing. Somethign we probably will never know.

I have a sort of simliar thing with Mark Hamill as Luke Skywalker. On the “Empire of Dreams’ doc, there was a clip of William Katt auditioning, and giving what i th0ought was a deeper, nuanced performance. But alas, t’was not to be, and here we are, with Hamill as Luke. Oh well. Live and learn.

Two quatloos expended.

69. MONGO - January 27, 2012

Mongo say hi to Commodore Mike mans! Mongo say if you build sandbox Mongo play in! Mongo have uniform ready and practice scowl for evil menace look.

Mongo say hi Beach mans! It been long time. Mongo think about Beach mans and hope well. You know where find Mongo.

Mongo say hi Chris Miles mans! Mongo say thankee, too. Mongo think on how peoples be. Mongo learn lot from Star Trek TV show. Roddenberry mans flawed man. Many bright peoples flawed. Overall Roddenberry mans try put good in world.

Mongo eager for TNG bluray but no way afford all season. Just get sample. It reality of economy.

70. mike - January 27, 2012

I just got mine from DeepDiscountDVD early !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

71. Dr. Cheis - January 27, 2012

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss…

72. Jeyl - January 27, 2012

Cool scene. Goes really well with the last 30 seconds of “The Best of Both Worlds, Part 1″.

73. Wes - January 27, 2012

I am really excited about this project, however, I wish they could use the CG Enterprise-D for all of the visual effects like they did with TOS-R and I’m certain that will disappoint people who loved TOS-R for their replacement of all of the visual effects in CG. Those episodes wouldn’t have been my first choice for the sampler either. I would have chosen episodes like “The Best of Both Worlds,” or “Cause and Effect,” or any other episodes that are VFX-heavy, but I understand their reasoning for the pilot and “The Inner Light” but not “Sins of the Father.” It’s okay though. I still plan on getting the sampler and trying this out for myself.

74. Harry Ballz - January 27, 2012


That’s more like it!

Hi Mongo!

75. Harry Ballz - January 27, 2012


Thanks, ‘Beach!

76. SoonerDave - January 27, 2012

I think Frakes has proven himself to be at least if not more credible as a director than an actor. While his good efforts exceeded his lesser ones, I think its a very fair and accurate criticism to say his performances were often very wooden, and his delivery very forced.

I must admit that during the first few years of TNG, I always thought he was deliberately channeling the way Shatner carried himself as Kirk, to the point where I started calling him “Rekirk” instead of “Riker.”

I think any “authentic” fans of any pop culture form of music, film, TV, or other entertainment form, has an inherent license to criticize it, and others have the right to disagree with it. We can’t just become sycophants and rail against any criticism merely for the fact its critical.

Let’s face it, the first year of TNG bordered on the dreadful, with its leaden direction and frequent rehash of TOS stories. I can see what Stewart et al thought the thing wouldn’t last a season. But things got better, and criticism is the “rock blanket” of polish that can turn ugly rocks into attractive stones. Heck, would anyone have bet the same group that turned out Season 1 of TNG would have produced episodes like “Best of Both Worlds,” or “Yesterday’s Enterprise”?

I tend to agree that TNG isn’t holding up nearly as well over time as TOS did, and I think part of that is due to how they departed from some fundamental design concepts between TOS and TNG. TOS long-term durability, despite its technicolor gaudiness, was the very credible presentation of the Enterprise as a ship. TNG’s Enterprise never had that feel for me – way too much like a hotel…

77. rm10019 - January 27, 2012

76 – It was supposed to feel like someplace that people could live, not just serve. It does look more like a hotel, and that might not work for some, but it was part of GR’s vision of a distant and hopeful future.

78. rm10019 - January 27, 2012

Doug Drexler has actually done some great design work on the Ent-J, and that thing is beyond a hotel, it is a city, complete with site to site transporters instead of turbo lifts.

I think they did a pretty good job with the D, all things considered.

79. Harry Ballz - January 27, 2012

Like a hotel? So, every crewmember’s cabin came with a minibar? Suh-weet!

80. Jack - January 27, 2012

26. I agree with you, and with your sophmoric name.

I was never a Riker fan, ever, and for a long time I thought it was because of Frakes. Then I started to wonder if it was the way the character was written (I also despised Geordi by the end of TNG). He was a humourless jerk, and then suddenly he was this super-chilled funny guy (more like Frakes himself?)

Then, I started to think it could be both (acting and writing) — but I’ve never really seen the guy in much else, other than a bad 90s TV cowboy movie with an oily, shirtless Joey Lawrence and an episode of Lois and Clark. He wasn’t great in either (and reminded me of Shatner’s hammy Columbo years).

Being a journalist, film critic or orthodontist doesn’t mean one’s opinions are any more correct, it just means you get paid for them.

81. "Check the Circuit!" - January 27, 2012

That’s right Harry. I was being ironic.

82. T'Cal - January 27, 2012

In watching the first season or two, I’ve noticed a lot of background noise that isn’t heard in later episodes. In the earlier ones, you can hear for example the sound of uniform material swishing as a character moves and the sound of the fabric of a chair as someone sits down. It is very distracting and lends a low-budget feel.

I’ve also noticed that people who are bigger fans of TOS than other Trek shows prefer the first two seasons of TNG to the later ones while those who are bigger fans of TNG than TOS prefer seasons 3 and on. Any one else experience this?

83. Harry Ballz - January 27, 2012


Thanks, Jack!

84. The Chad - January 27, 2012

Not sure if there was an article on here about this, but Startrek.com has a couple of clips from the Blu-Ray…..unfortunately they are in SD quality either.


85. AJ - January 27, 2012

Frakes’s beard made him much more interesting, and I’ll agree with MONGO that he grew into the role over years.

82: T’Cal

The only instances I can imagine were special in seasons 1 & 2 for TOS fans (McCoy cameo excepted) were ‘Heart of Glory’ for its Klingon backstory, and moreso, ‘Measure of a Man,’ which echoes some of the great courtroom drama of ‘Courtmartial’ and ‘Menagerie’ while hitting a huge theme out of the park. Incidentally, it’s also a decent Riker episode.

86. AJ - January 27, 2012



Also, those of us who were TOS fans in 1987 had rose-colored glasses on for sure, myself included.

87. ST:EXP - January 27, 2012

82…. don’t know where you would’ve done this survey of Trek fans.

But all fans know that starting with season 3 it was like a completely different show.

Different music, different costumes and completely different cinematography.

Seasons 1 and 2 were shot very wide. Lots of full body shots. Scenes played out like a live on-stage drama in single long cuts.

Also season 1 and 2 had more TOS one-off weird alien culture stories, presumably because the executive show running was comprised of more original TOS writing staff (Justman? Roddenberry?)

The only thing that I subjectively thought was better in the first 2 seasons were the music. Incredible orchestrated pieces… lots of Trek fanfare.

Remaining 5 seasons and most of DS9 and VOY for that matter were the infamous “pandiatonic wash” background noises that passed for a soundtrack.

88. Vultan - January 27, 2012

With the exception of Brent Spiner, who seemed to have a good handle on Data (even if the writers didn’t), I don’t think any of the actors were anything great in the first season of TNG. But thankfully they got better in season two, and by the third were firing on all cylinders.

And as for the all the black leotard and turtleneck wearers here, Star Trek may quote the Bard often, but it isn’t Shakespeare. Cut Frakes some slack. It could’ve been so much worse:


Or how about this? One of those “could-haves” that thankfully wasn’t:


89. "Check the Circuit!" - January 27, 2012


I hadn’t heard that. I fall into the “big TOS fan” category but I thought the first two seasons were pretty bad. Clunky storytelling. Awkward acting. The focus on Wesley. Derivitive ideas and situations. (McCoy + Spock does not equal Data + Pulaski.) But they did have more of the look and feel of TOS, to be sure. Maybe that’s what the Trekkers found comforting.

And I would agree the music in those early years was much more thematic and memorable than the background noise of later seasons.

I’m looking forward to seasons 3 and beyond. The show really came into its own. (Other than the music.)

90. AJ - January 27, 2012

Wasn’t it Season 3 when they changed the opening credits sequence from the solar system bit (wrong angle of the sun on Saturn) to the more exotic one?

91. Romulus - January 27, 2012

@ 88

LOL, i refer you to the top rated comment

“Shatner never over acts. Most other actors under act”

92. Opcode - January 27, 2012

I am mostly a TOS fan and I prefer the first two seasons of TNG. After that the shows became technobabble…
BTW, I think season 2 was a huge improvement.

93. Vultan - January 27, 2012


Yep. And it’s nice to see Shatner is a fan of youtube as well.


94. Jonboc - January 27, 2012

Aside from Stewart, Spiner and Burton, the whole cast was pretty bad in the acting department. Had the show not been in syndication and titled Star Trek, I don’t think it would’ve have lasted 6 weeks.

95. captain_neill - January 27, 2012


Very unfair

I thought all the actors on Next Gen were great.

96. captain_neill - January 27, 2012

Next Gen is one of my all time favs and can’t wait for this.

97. Al - January 27, 2012

Some really creak floorboards on the old Enterprise D

98. Basement Blogger - January 27, 2012

Yikes, gentlemen. Can we leave the ad hominem attacks.. I love a spirited debate but let’s not insult each other. Sheesh.

As far as Jonathan Frakes, I have no problems with him from season one to seven. He’s a fine actor and not, I repeat is he Erica Durance. Sorry, Harry. Love you man, but we agree to disagree on many actors. “Check the Circuit” (@ 28) t’s just Harry’s opinion. Relax.

We should LISTEN TO MONGO (@ 54) who has learned much from being a pawn in the game of life. Oklay?

MONGO, today’s question.



99. Commodore Mike of the Terran Empire - January 27, 2012

Mongo is a good man. Mongo is so Kool. Mongo can teach all of us a thing or two.

100. Harry Ballz - January 27, 2012


No sweat, BB!

I’m fine with us having different opinions. No one needs to get all batsh*t crazy over it.

101. The Horse Mongo Punched - January 28, 2012

More Mongo!

102. Hat Rick - January 28, 2012

I am an admirer of TNG from start to finish, overall. Yes, there were bad episodes, and some folks can certainly validly critique certain actors’ performances. But, as far as I’m concerned, even Shakespeare wasn’t perfect.

When it comes to TV series, and indeed television as an art, I rank TNG very highly among the pantheon of shows I’d love to watch and rewatch, again and again and again. And that’s not even speaking as a Trek fan, but from the standpoint of popular entertainment.

Speaking as a Trek fan, I think of TNG is a gift to mankind. ;-)

103. Tom - January 28, 2012

I cant wait any longer.

just got an email of amazon to say that its been dipatched. Wooo

104. tubular_trekkie - January 28, 2012

@102. Hat Rick

Well said sir, well said.

I love TOS, I love TNG and I love DS9. But TNG was the one that made me a trekkie. It’s certainly not as flawless as my teenage self probably thought it was, but then again, is anything?

The enormous difference between the style of the show between its first and last seasons is quite startling in retrospect. In some ways I actually prefer those early seasons. There was a freshness and a vitality about them that will probably never be recaptured. Cheesy? Probably. A bit dated in style? Yes, but now in a rather nice retro way. Adding extra CGI ‘eye candy’ to this mix would be spectacularly missing the point IMO.

105. The Keeper - January 28, 2012

Had TNG been on a real network station, yeah, it would have been canned with in 6 weeks.
Syndication was the only thing that saved it from that doom.
And it was always placed in that 6 or 7pm time slot that really had nothing on at the time to compete with it, Easy math to figure out why it was able to sustain it’s self.
There were a few good episodes, with a few that you could write home about…but for the most part it was boring and forgettable in general.
TNG film series proved its actual popularity wasn’t as wide spread as taunted.

Sales of the Blu-ray edition will likely be minimal at best.

106. Hat Rick - January 28, 2012

Thanks, 104 (tubular_trekkie). And, just to add: I thought the music from the early seasons was very exciting. Perhaps more bombastic, but more in keeping with the style of TOS in that respect.

107. Spiked Canon - January 28, 2012

um whatever. I’ll wait for Super Duper HD

108. Demode - January 28, 2012

I think the DVDs will sell fine, so long as they put this remastered version on TV channels like Sy-Fi and SPACE. That is what convinced me to buy the TOS remastered series.

109. captain_neill - January 28, 2012

My blu ray sampler came today. Had a wee sneak peak. All I can say is WOW. It looks fantastic. The detail on the model shots and the opening credits are brilliant.

Watching Encounter at Farpoint complete tonight with friend.

110. tubular_trekkie - January 28, 2012

@105. The Keeper

Nah, the blu rays will sell like hot cakes I reckon. UK Amazon sales rankings are looking quite healthy for this sample disc at any rate.

I think there’s a great deal more love for TV TNG than there is for the films. First Contact was good, but Insurrection was so-so, and personally I thought Nemesis was terrible. Lousy story, poor script and direction and it no longer felt like TNG, certainly not the TNG I knew and remembered.

TV TNG deserves this HD remastering. Hopefully this is TNG’s ‘renaissance’ and it will represent to fans old and new what was really great about the show, before TPTB decided to milk it at the box office.

111. trekmaster - January 28, 2012

Ich würde mir ja wünschen, dass es teils neu vertont wird – möchte die ZDF-Synchronstimmen auch ab Episoden 83 wieder haben!!

112. Ryan Spooner - January 28, 2012

@105 – I guess that’s why in most polls, TNG is classed by the majority as their favourite trek series?

113. Iva - January 28, 2012

I’d buy all seasons together if that was available, if for no other reason but to have them all without random episodes missing.
Less clutter around + VHS is shit.

ps: liked ds9 better.

114. captain_neill - January 28, 2012

Watched Encounter at Farpoint and it was great on HD.

Can’t believe the “Hate TNG and love JJ Abrams movie” vibe still goes on here. They are part of the same legacy.

115. Iva - January 28, 2012

What is surprising about it?
TNG is a part of actual Star Trek, Abrams is a SF for people who don’t understand SF or ST.
You can’t like them the same way.

116. JP - January 28, 2012

Review with screenshot of the menu:


117. JP - January 28, 2012

HD screenshots and other info here:


118. JP - January 28, 2012

#115: That’s a bunch of BS. You can like both JJ Trek and old Trek the same. The two aren’t mutually exclusive. Why does it have to be one or the other?

I think it should be pointed out that people like you were saying the same thing about TNG and TOS back when TNG premiered. It was a load of bull then, and its a load of bull now.

p.s. Anthony, sorry about the triple post. Won’t happen again.

119. Iva - January 28, 2012

I’m sure there’s plenty of people who like both Abrams and actual ST and perceive no difference between those two.
That enables them to like both without any conflict whatsoever.

However, for those who are capable of perceiving that chasm, there can be no love.

You’ll either be a ST fan who does not appreciate ST being degraded down to Abrams level,
or an Abrams fan mad at actual ST because of his inability to comprehend SF.

120. Iva - January 28, 2012

Now, because I’m such a great person, I don’t believe one’s intellectual shortcomings should stop them from enjoying SF – there are plenty of writers out there catering to that kind of audience by their own special brand of “sf”.

No need to sacrifice either ST itself or lover the overall standard of SF writing.
ST has perfectly enough of shallow in it as it is.

121. JP - January 28, 2012

#119 and #120: Your postings drip with arrogance, elitism, and a few other words I can’t use on this site.

Also, for someone taking the intellectual high road, your second post was riddled with grammatical/spelling errors.


122. Iva - January 28, 2012

Why, thank you.

I fail to see how me being a foreigner means I’m not to express my opinions on a English-language board.

123. Iva - January 28, 2012

Guess I should have immigrated and assimilated like our dear Antionio to have that right. :))

124. JP - January 28, 2012

None of that changes the fact that you just implied that people who like old Star Trek and JJ Trek at the same time are intellectually inferior.

I figure you’re either trolling, or you are arrogant enough to believe that to be true. Either would be unfortunate.

125. Iva - January 28, 2012

Take it how you will.

126. Red Dead Ryan - January 28, 2012


His name is Anthony, you racist piece of crap!

127. Basement Blogger - January 28, 2012

Wow. This thread is cursed. The bile.. Ladies and gentlemen, everyone is entitled to their opinion. No need to resort to ad hominem attacks.

Iva, it’s possible to like J.J.’s Star Trek and the other versions of Star Trek. (@ 120) I liked Star Trek 2009 but thought it was shallow. I loved the TV shows, yeah even Enterprise. I remind you that the Supreme Court wants to go deeper. They cite “Dark Knight” as an example. That movie was entertaining and smart. And J.J., Bob and Alex’s Fringe is smart television. So the guys know intelligent science fiction. Let’s wait and actually see Star Trek 2013 before we judge it.

128. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - January 28, 2012

Just picked up my copy at the west hollywood best buy, they have 3 more on shelf 16.99 price tag, I used the best buy upgrade and save promo coupon(that expires today) for a total of 11.99 plus tax came out to about 13 bucks
So check around best buys are allready putting them out early in some stores.

129. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - January 28, 2012

105 TNG was almost always the number 1 rated hourly syndicated show each week and its raitings numbers also did a heck of a lot better than alot of top 10 network prime time shows.

130. Iva - January 28, 2012

I’m judging it in advance, a bit too late after it’s already made.
If the writers(or just the one lurking around) have all of the complaints piled up here, can’t say later it was too bad nobody complained. Like the brewery, we yelled, they heard.
Evil, I know :D

@126 RDR, I am a Mediterranean myself and no, there is nothing insulting in using one’s Italian version of name.
Some of us moved to America and have English as our native language like A, some of us stayed.
We all have equal rights to be heard, accent/spelling/awkward syntax mistakes and all.
That is all that was meant.

Btw, one can’t be racist to a white person.
You need to be in a position of power for that – and white people are at the top

131. JP - January 28, 2012

#130: The last part of your post is racist in and of itself.

132. Iva - January 28, 2012

No it’s not. It is impossible to be racist to a white person.
Go to a race related discussion site and have a PoC explain it to you.

I can pass for white if I want to, so as a person of partial white privilege, it doesn’t mean much for me to be explaining you race relations.

133. JP - January 28, 2012

#132: Wow, just wow… hopefully Anthony will be by soon to address you himself.

134. Aussie Ian - January 28, 2012

Wow! The inflamatory nature of this thread is staggering. I’m amazed that warnings haven’t been handed out like lollies by the moderators!

The presence of posts by Star trek fans to a Star Trek forum (the best one on the net by the way) that are outright racist is shameful!!!

“You can’t be racist to a white person” – Really???? What if they are only white on the right side, like Loki from TOS ep “Let That Be Your Last Battlefield” ???

Statements like that make the author sound as fanatical and unable to embrace reason as that character in that episode – who BTW ended up with no friends on a crap dead planet with a fight that would never end.

Get a dose of IDIC and get it now ………….. make it a big one!

The presence of differing opinions makes for empassioned debate and is welcome. The denigration of others based on ethnicity or appearance of skin tone should be best described at your next Hitler Youth clubhouse meeting!

135. Red Dead Ryan - January 28, 2012

I’m really hoping the “TNG Remastered” Blu Ray hits stores next week. Because I haven’t seen it advertised or mentioned on the FutureShop or Best Buy websites or in their flyers. I’m just hoping that its one of those times where not all upcoming releases are advertised.

It would suck if I go to all the stores in Victoria and none are in stock.

I can’t order from Amazon since they only ship inside the U.S.

136. Red Dead Ryan - January 28, 2012

When a black person since something racially derogatory towards/about another black person, that is racism. It’s no different when a white person does the same to another white person.

137. Iva - January 29, 2012

I am not the one who invented the rules of sociology, and as already said, you can check it out by yourselves. Citing reverse racism as a counter argument…. it really is much more complicated than that. A fascinating topic if I dare say so.

138. Red Dead Ryan - January 29, 2012


You may have convinced yourself of that, but nobody else is buying your explanations. So you should just stop peddling it.

139. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 29, 2012

#132 – “No it’s not. It is impossible to be racist to a white person.”

Bollocks and horseshit! I had some very racist comments made against me by a Maori man several years ago simply because I was fair haired white woman. Anybody can be racist!

My sons are fair haired, like their parents. They go to a high school with a roll of about 1,600 and there are only about 30/40 students in the whole school who are white. My younger son says that he has to tread so carefully sometimes as many of the mostly Polynesian kids can get aggressive/defensive, without any provocation, simply because he is a white student. In most classes he is the only white student. In a school hall of 800 students, I could always spot my sons. They were the only ones with fair hair.

I’m not sure how they would have done in many US communities where whites are in a minority, but here (in NZ), they have been OK. Anyone know what it might be like for a white person living in a community where the majority of people could be black, for example?

It is a numbers game, Iva. Please – I don’t need to go to any damn board to know about racism. Yes, it is possible to be racist to a white person. You are either trolling or you are living in ignorant and somewhat arrogant denial when it comes to the true reality of racism.

140. Iva - January 29, 2012

There’s a very simple solution here, no need to be afraid of looking up your privilege.

141. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 29, 2012

#140 – Was that comment directed at me? What privilege would that be? You know nothing, you foolish person.

142. Bart - January 29, 2012

Moderators, could you please stop this discussion? This is about TNG remastered, for politics or to whine and feel sorry for yoursel go somewhere else!

143. danielcraigsmywookiebitchnow - January 29, 2012

135 see my post above, I picked it up last night(sat) at Best Buy in west hollywood It was tagged 16.99 and I used my last upgrade and save 5.00 off any bluray coupon on it to get it for 11.99 plus tax for a total of 13.04
the upgrade and save bluray promo ended tonight though.

144. Keachick - rose pinenut - January 29, 2012

Bart – I agree that this thread is about TNG remastered, but it is not the first time that the original premise of threads have gone off on a tangent. People are discussing/debating. Who is whining or feeling sorry for themselves? They are just relating their experiences, their perspectives.

#122 Iva – “I fail to see how me being a foreigner means I’m not to express my opinions on a English-language board.”

If you want to know where this thread took a nose dive, look no further than here. Who knew Iva was a “foreigner” until now? It seems that she is using this, as well as saying that it is impossible to be racist towards a white person, to feign that there is some sort of racial discrimination going on against her by some of the posters here. Iva – since this is a US based site, I am also a “foreigner”.

And yes, there is such a thing as reverse discrimination (as in the reverse of what one normally expects to be the case) when it comes to racism and sexism.

145. captain_neill - January 29, 2012

Yea the discussion is going off key. This about TNG remastered, not a flame war. I can enjoy the new movie as a separate entity but it’s different from the Trek I feel in love with. Now even though it went in a direction that was not what I would have liked, I can admit that the movie is still a good part of the legacy.

Next Gen is still one of my al time fav TV shows and to me represents a ‘golden era’ when I was growing up.

I like all the shows and films but Next Gen was on when I was growing up and I still love it, just as I love TOS. THe new movie is a different kettle of fish, enjoyable but changes that did not sit right but I can still like it.

146. Ross - January 29, 2012

Just saw a unboxing vid of Next Level on YouTube and it looks like Season 1 will be out in the summer according to a leaflet you get with it plus when you buy the Season 1 set you can get £5 off the purchase by posting a voucher that comes with The Next Level.

147. captain_neill - January 29, 2012


Yea I got that in my Next Level Set.

148. Bart - January 29, 2012

Check out trek core for a new season trailer!


It’s in german but has some new footage of season one episodes, including some new special effects of the Enterprise-D.

149. Norman Bates - January 29, 2012

Very naff quality.

150. CarlG - January 29, 2012

Ohh, hey Iva! Long time no see, you old charmer! Still deranged enough to think that Zoe Saldana prostitutes herself for screentime?

151. Ross - January 29, 2012

Theres an english version of that trailer now up and can be viewed in 1080p


152. captain_neill - January 29, 2012


its on the blu ray sampler, plays automatically before the main feature

153. MONGO - January 29, 2012

Mongo sad see people argue.

If someone look down upon someone of different race, that racism. There no other definition. Not money. Not privilege. Not power. If you think another race inferior to yours, that racism. It always bad. Not everyone have to like everyone all time. But it not right to try keep peoples down because of race.

Mongo hope for world when people be together and not apart. Mongo think we get more done then.

154. CarlG - January 29, 2012

@153: Damn straight, Mongo. Rock on.

155. Anthony Pascale - January 29, 2012

Final warning to Iva for trolling

and i mean FINAL, next time and its goodbye

156. Paulaner - January 30, 2012

It will be like watching TNG for the first time. Can’t wait.

157. Do You Wanna Dance - January 30, 2012

Wow, certainly been a while.

What do you guys think? Riker with or without facial hair?

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